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Speaker 1: Welcome to Sharper Square, presented by hard Rod to Beat.

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Speaker 1: This is the show that makes the squares sharper and

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Speaker 2: I am Chad moment. I am joined as always by

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Speaker 2: my bff, my co host.

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Speaker 1: My companion, my compadre, professional better Simon Hunter.

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Speaker 3: Hello, Simon, Chad. Another three and two week.

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Speaker 1: We can't help ourselves, Dude, listen, I gotta tell you, Son,

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Speaker 1: I'm in Vegas. So if people if it's not like

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Speaker 1: sounding or looking exactly as it normally does, that is why.

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Speaker 2: I think it's special to go three and two, Simon.

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Speaker 1: I think any week that we're not underwater is a

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Speaker 1: winning week by definition. I know people would like to

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Speaker 1: go four and one. I know people would like to

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Speaker 1: go five and Oh. We grind it out. We want

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Speaker 1: to win every week. We want to win over the

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Speaker 1: long haul. This week the Rams want with us, The

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Speaker 1: Bills won with us. The Vikings one with us. Even

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Speaker 1: though I was sure we had missed our window by

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Speaker 1: not putting in the Commanders and not putting in the Saints,

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Speaker 1: it all worked out. We lost with the Chiefs and

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Speaker 1: the Packers. Packers who also coincidentally lost their best players

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Speaker 1: on offense and defense, and Patrick Mahomes and Michael Carsons.

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Speaker 1: We're going to get into that for the year forty

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Speaker 1: two thirty three for our five best picks through fifteen weeks.

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Speaker 1: football and it's a doozy. The Rams are visiting the Seahawks.

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Speaker 1: Seahawks are one point underdogs in this game. I feel

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Speaker 1: like there's a lot of things that are playing to

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Speaker 1: the rams disadvantage in this game. It's going to be

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Speaker 1: very rainy, they won't have Devonte Adams, and the entire

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Speaker 1: consensus of the public community is on the Rams because

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Speaker 1: they've been so dominant and because they've dominated Sam Donald.

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Speaker 1: Are people walking into a trap with the Los Angeles Rams?

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Speaker 3: They could be, but I'll join them. Honestly, the pros

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Speaker 3: have come in, they're with you on the Seahawks.

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Speaker 4: They have the Seahawks, But how does anything about that

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Speaker 4: weather situation help the Seahawks more than the Rams. The

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Speaker 4: Rams actually have a good running game with a really

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Speaker 4: good running back. Seahawks do not have that. They have

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Speaker 4: a lackluster run game. And they're one receiver dominant teams.

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Speaker 4: So yeah, pooka JSN. They're both top tier. They kind

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Speaker 4: of cance each other out. But the quarterbacks. One quarterback's

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Speaker 4: been slipping these last couple of weeks, and that's that's

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Speaker 4: Sam Donald. Well, one other quarter has kept on ascending.

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Speaker 4: So the Rams are due for a letdown. So yeah,

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Speaker 4: I guess you and the pros are I guess right

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Speaker 4: to take a position on Seattle, and I'll just be patient.

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Speaker 4: I mean, there's a couple of books here already had

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Speaker 4: a pick, so you know it's it's going the Seahawks way.

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Speaker 4: If you do like the Seahawks, I would go grab

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Speaker 4: the one and a half if that's society want to

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Speaker 4: be on. But I think this is gonna be a

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Speaker 4: nice spot for this Rams team, and I just might

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Speaker 4: be too in love with them, because last week. Honestly,

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Speaker 4: I had to wait. It's probably my last big regular

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Speaker 4: did not look that entire game like they deserve to

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Speaker 4: fourth quarter. That it's just I thought I probably have

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Speaker 4: too much, too high expectations right now for this Rams team.

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Speaker 4: I just think they're the clear class and above everyone

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Speaker 4: power rate them as the better team you were the Seahawks,

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Speaker 4: and I just do not trust this team right now.

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Speaker 4: It's really Sam Donald to something a little bit off

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Speaker 4: He does beat it usually, but I just can't can't

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Speaker 1: Well, look the Seahawks, Sam Donald, the Rams have been

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Speaker 1: at the first game, and the Seahawks this year. No

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Speaker 1: matter what defense they've been playing, they've figured out something

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Speaker 1: I'm just looking at this from a all right, what

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Speaker 2: I want to be fading that I don't have a

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Speaker 3: So I know I'm very Joe public here.

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Speaker 4: I just like I said, I I think I got

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Speaker 4: they're just I think they're so good right now. So

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Speaker 1: Listen, we know it's the holiday season because we got

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Speaker 1: two burn burner of Saturday games, and I mean that for.

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Speaker 3: Both of them.

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Speaker 1: We got the Eagles and the Commanders and the Commanders

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Speaker 1: it's an interesting spot, I think if you're the Eagles,

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Speaker 1: because everyone thinks they got right. Everyone looks at what

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Speaker 1: They dominated a team that didn't score and had seventy

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Speaker 2: They scored a lot of points.

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Speaker 1: Everyone is happy all as well in Philadelphia right now.

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Speaker 1: And meanwhile, the Commanders they got right off of their

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Speaker 1: They've clearly been inspired by what happened to Patrick Mahomes

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Speaker 2: Six and a half point underdogs. Very tricky spot.

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Speaker 1: I think it's a it's a it's a nice primer

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Speaker 2: No opinion on this game right now.

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Speaker 4: But yeah, they did what I thought they were gonna do.

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Speaker 3: They're just what are you doing?

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Speaker 4: So for me Mariotte as well, He's been playing better

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Speaker 3: I'm just I'm not buying it with the Eagles yet.

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Speaker 4: And this is another great spot for This is a

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Speaker 4: Buying yet what the Eagles are putting out there, and

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Speaker 4: it's great to look at the future market. They're the

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Speaker 4: exact same number as they were last year. Head in

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Speaker 4: the playoffs. They're ten to one right now super Bowl odds,

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Speaker 4: So it's it's kind of funky where the books are

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Speaker 4: So if you want the Commanders, go grab it. If

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Speaker 3: That tends to give the Eagles problems. So it's a

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Speaker 4: But, like I said, another game where I'm like you,

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Speaker 1: I don't want to pass on the next one. Green

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Speaker 1: Bay Packers Saturday Night visiting the Chicago Bears. Dude, what

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Speaker 1: a difference two weeks makes. When this line opened Sunday night,

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Speaker 1: it was Packers two and a half. You and I

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Speaker 1: this was a game two weeks ago, by the time

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Speaker 1: it's played in Green Bay, the Bears dominated in the

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Speaker 2: If he had thrown that ball.

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Speaker 2: It was the right call.

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Speaker 1: He didn't execute on the play, this Bears team might

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Speaker 1: against a terrible team in the Browns, but played perfectly

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Speaker 1: in cold weather. So I'm looking at this and thinking,

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Speaker 1: it was loud at Soldier Field this past weekend, but

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Speaker 2: This I know it's too much.

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna be invested into the screen bay side, and

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Speaker 4: Pretty much equals for them, so this this snummer does

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Speaker 4: I flipped maybe by Thursday to this Bears. I we

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Speaker 3: Hungry Bears are violent bears.

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Speaker 1: Look, maybe the professionals are and the public will keep

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Speaker 4: Honestly, I think if I didn't bet the Bears on

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Speaker 4: Right now, I'm just holding out hope I can find

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Speaker 3: But I just feel like I know in my heart

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Speaker 4: And I think you know too, this is exact time

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Speaker 1: Oh, this is one hundred percent the game where the

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm a huge Maryland fan now because my

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Speaker 4: And if your king wants to see some good Maryland

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Speaker 4: basketball needs a time machine and go back to two

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Speaker 4: thousand and two or two thousand and four, get there,

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Speaker 4: Maryland basketball.

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Speaker 2: No no, no, no, no, no, no, no, no.

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Speaker 1: Buzz Williams is a brilliant coach and they've got some

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Speaker 2: Is that where he's at now, Yeah, he's a great coach.

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Speaker 2: Don't don't denigrate.

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Speaker 3: Chad.

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Speaker 4: Oh, We're gonna let let you speak poetically about Maryland basketball.

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Speaker 2: Get the help Deucee University. You're a big Deuche University fan.

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Speaker 3: That's huge, huge douche.

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Speaker 2: Disappointing.

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Speaker 1: Kansas City, Now we're moving on a Sunday Kansas City

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Speaker 1: point free But let me ask you this question, how

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Speaker 1: much do you have Patrick Mahomes as being worth against

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Speaker 3: Your model, it's like ten points.

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Speaker 2: So this game only moved seven.

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Speaker 1: It was eleven and a half before Patrick Mahomes was

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Speaker 1: And the pros have been into Tennessee last weekend. You

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Speaker 4: It's all depends on the number you had, because there's

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Speaker 4: obviously thirteen and a half's But yeah, that was a

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Speaker 2: That was crazy. So it's three and a half.

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Speaker 1: You had it at ten, which means you were prices

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Speaker 1: uncomfortable betting into the Titans here. I'm not doing it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I'll avoid it like the plague, like we just

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Speaker 3: I mean, what are we doing here?

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Speaker 4: I don't I don't know if I want to be

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Speaker 4: don't have to watch. It's too painful. Honestly, I still

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Speaker 4: can't believe he's out. It's it's surreal, surreal, especially as

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Speaker 4: It was great, but if I'm an AFC fan, it's like,

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Speaker 3: I can't believe it.

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Speaker 4: I really can't, So I don't have to deal with

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Speaker 4: this one Minshew. Obviously, this number with Minshew should be

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Speaker 4: probably closer to a pick. If we're being totally honest.

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Speaker 4: I mean, Kansas City's terrible, but their defense is so good.

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Speaker 4: Even when they've been bad this year, their defense honestly

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Speaker 3: Like they gave a one touchdown that game.

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Speaker 4: Last weekend'st the Chargers was before we're you know, halftime,

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Speaker 3: It's like you don't.

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Speaker 4: Expect that of them, but still they only gave a

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Speaker 4: come in and be better than Mahomes. With that offensive

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Speaker 4: trust that Chad, So yeah, I I'll take a position,

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Speaker 4: maybe on the under or something like that, but picking

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Speaker 2: By Sunday, we're going to be wanting the Titans. I'm

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Speaker 2: not saying we're putting in the contest.

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Speaker 3: I just don't the Titans.

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Speaker 4: You could have got four and a half, like we

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Speaker 4: already did a show Sunday night, and that's where the

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Speaker 4: pros hit. And like you said, they're hitting the three

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Speaker 4: and a half two. But that's stuff in the sharp side.

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Speaker 4: I'm just am I really betting on minshew or cam

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Speaker 4: Ward here? It's can I just avoid this one?

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Speaker 1: We're not going to be able to avoid JJ mc

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Speaker 1: karthy as a road favorite against the reeling New York Giants.

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Speaker 1: I mean, look, JJ, all props for the win against

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Speaker 1: Dallas Cowboys, and thank you JJ, because we needed it

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Speaker 1: to go three and two in the contest. On principle,

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Speaker 1: we cannot bet JJ McCarthy is a road favorite after

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Speaker 1: two good games.

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Speaker 2: We just can't.

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Speaker 4: And I just again love crazy Homer fans, were Vikings

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Speaker 4: fans are just non stop posting his stats and his

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Speaker 4: QBR and everything like that from these last two weeks,

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Speaker 4: because those are the things you look for.

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Speaker 3: When you have a young quarterback.

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Speaker 4: It's like, you got to take the good where you can,

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Speaker 4: and yeah, JJ, last two weeks he looks like a

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Speaker 4: think the general public thinks he'll keep it continuing. Here

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Speaker 4: they are hammering this Minnesota side, and as Simon says,

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Speaker 4: give me the Giants plus three, I want.

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Speaker 3: To play a game.

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Speaker 4: Simon says, it's it's unique. It's a unique spot for

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Speaker 4: what I think is a Giants team that as as

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Speaker 4: to cover for them and the team for special teams

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Speaker 4: or defense one aspect the team hasn't showed up. This

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Speaker 4: feels like the last gasp for this Giants team at home,

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Speaker 3: Now once again on the road. That's a lot. That's

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Speaker 4: So yeah, this is I think we both were joking

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Speaker 3: So it's stunning. Yeah, it's it's a crazy run.

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Speaker 4: In Minnesota, they basically played Washington, dominated him, and then

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Speaker 4: just played Dallas and they didn't dominate. They've beat him

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Speaker 4: if the Giants caught up here. I just think it's

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Speaker 4: It's as bad as people think the Giants team are.

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Speaker 4: They're not that much different than Minnesota right now, honestly,

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Speaker 4: model wise, it's just the quarterback plays different. Where JJ

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Speaker 4: He's not done his job, let's be honest, these last

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Speaker 4: tough spot against Detroit, a tough spot against New England.

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Speaker 4: But that Washington game, I don't know how much blame

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna play on the defense.

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Speaker 3: Gave up a ton of.

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Speaker 4: Points, but he had a bunch of plays he missed,

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Speaker 4: so I like Dark to bounce back here and it's

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Speaker 4: a total reaction. I can't believe the public is hammering

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Speaker 4: like you said, JJ on the road as a favorite

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Speaker 4: and now three points, so unique spot here to get

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Speaker 1: and Virginia. All right, brother to Tampa Bay is visiting Carolina.

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Speaker 1: On Sunday night, the line was two and a half.

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Speaker 1: We said we were waiting for the line to get

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Speaker 1: to three to bet on Carolina.

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Speaker 2: The line has gotten to three.

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Speaker 1: From everything I'm seeing, the line has moved because of

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Speaker 1: professional money betting on Tampa Bay. Tell me if I'm

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Speaker 1: misreading it. But when I see the number of tickets,

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Speaker 1: the tickets are all on Carolina and the number is

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Speaker 1: still moved to Tampa Bay, which tells me there's professional

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Speaker 1: money like in the Buccaneers.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, it's same thing we saw though on Thursday night.

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Speaker 4: Right then Tampa wherever they opened up, they got head

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Speaker 4: up till like five and a half or six.

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Speaker 3: I think they opened up three and a half.

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Speaker 4: It gets to lane they got bet way up, so

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Speaker 4: you know, just to it's like the chief scenario. It's

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Speaker 4: like you just you bet these teams that you think

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Speaker 4: are good playoff caliber teams and you're saying that the

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Speaker 4: bad luck can't keep going. But maybe they are just bad.

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Speaker 4: So I really can't believe the buck blew that game.

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Speaker 4: And yeah, this is I agree with them. It seems

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Speaker 4: like a bounce back spot, and you know they're they

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Speaker 4: have the better team. There's no doubt talent across the

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Speaker 4: board they have better than Carolina. But I just like

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Speaker 4: the way this Carolina played teams. This Carolina team plays,

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Speaker 4: They're just so tough, and I feel like they'll never

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Speaker 4: be out of this one, especially at plus three. That's

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Speaker 4: such a key number. You know we talk about Panthers

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Speaker 4: is a favorite. It's so easy just fade them. Yeah,

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Speaker 4: and as a dog in this spot where they're kind

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Speaker 4: of being counted out, we should back them too. So

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Speaker 4: again a game I'm not crazy confident about because it's like,

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Speaker 4: you know, I like I said the Bucks, when I

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Speaker 4: really broke them down, I literally have this edit at two,

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Speaker 4: so you know I'm taking it with my model that

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Speaker 4: I also like Carolina Panthers, but like when I really

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Speaker 4: break it down like this Bucks team, I think my

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Speaker 4: model and the general public is in agreeance. That's why

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Speaker 4: they're getting bet them up with Godwin Mike Evans back

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Speaker 4: in the Mecca Buka.

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Speaker 3: It's like and Buckie that offense.

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Speaker 4: Once I get it all together, they're gonna be a

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Speaker 4: problem for a lot of teams and the Panthers. We've

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Speaker 4: talked to you, They've they've had good defensive games, but

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Speaker 4: there are so many ways they can attack on this

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Speaker 4: Bucks team. So yeah, I'm on the Panthers, but I

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Speaker 4: wish I wish this was three and a half because

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Speaker 4: that would be an automatic. Here as we sit here today,

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Speaker 4: Simon says, putting the contest, we already know kind of play,

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Speaker 4: but it's looking like it's gonna go back down to

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Speaker 4: two and a half.

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Speaker 3: Honestly, chat, we'll see.

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Speaker 2: We'll see. Look.

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Speaker 1: The thing about the Panthers that we have loved and

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Speaker 1: now has been codified is Bryce Young has the most

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Speaker 1: fourth quarter overtime comeback victories of any quarterback in the NFL.

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Speaker 1: Sinto twenty twenty three, that's eleven. He nearly pulled it

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Speaker 1: off again this past week against the Saints, didn't get there.

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Speaker 1: But the reason we always like him as an underdog

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Speaker 1: is because Canalis says, yes, go in the most insane

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Speaker 1: situations to maximize his opportunity to score points. And Bryce

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Speaker 1: Young when the game starts breaking down, so good at

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Speaker 1: scrambling out of the pocket, keeping his eyes downfield, and

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Speaker 1: being really really accurate. So I know that the wise

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Speaker 1: guys have come in on Tampa. But to me, this

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Speaker 1: number allows the game to be in play almost the

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Speaker 1: entire time. So I'm I would love it if I

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Speaker 1: got to three and a half. Maybe it will maybe

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Speaker 1: by Sunday.

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Speaker 4: Like hard Rock, I just look now, hard Rock is

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Speaker 4: the only book that's like basically Bounce been two and

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Speaker 4: a half and three and a couple of books out

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Speaker 4: there are tink green like getting closer to three and

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Speaker 4: a half. So yeah, like you said, he can be

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Speaker 4: patient on that. When he could, he could get there

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Speaker 4: and get a really good number there.

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Speaker 1: New York Jets at the New Orleans Saints, Tyler Shuck

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Speaker 1: move in up the Rookie of the Year sharts for

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Speaker 1: Offensive Rookie of the Year. Simon was touting Tyler's shock

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Speaker 1: when he was two hundred to one. If he wins,

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Speaker 1: Simon might win a million dollars on Tyler Shock because

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Speaker 1: he has just enough invested to make this a massive,

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Speaker 1: massive payout.

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Speaker 2: Wow, the Jets are in free fall now.

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Speaker 1: Aaron Glenn is playing his games where he thinks he's

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Speaker 1: being so clever and he loves to sort of tease

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Speaker 1: the media and say, I don't know who the quarterback

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Speaker 1: is going to be. I feel like we're saying that

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Speaker 1: every week. We don't know who's going to be playing

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Speaker 1: quarterback for the Jets, Brady Cook or Tyrod Taylor or

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Speaker 1: Justin Fields. We do know it's going to be Tyler Shock.

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Speaker 1: We do know it's going to be Tyler Shock, who's

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Speaker 1: so savvy that when he was hit after sliding with

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Speaker 1: ten seconds left in that game, over exaggerated how bad

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Speaker 1: the hit was. Immediately the flag came out that got

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Speaker 1: fifteen Xtrey yards that kicked the game winning field goal.

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Speaker 1: Good for Tyler Shock for being a savvy veteran quarterback.

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Speaker 1: Because the guy is eighty seven years old. I think

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Speaker 1: like him and Philip Rivers might be the oldest quarterbacks

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Speaker 1: in the NFL. But at four as a home favorite,

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Speaker 1: or they haven't been playing as well, I don't know.

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Speaker 1: I don't want the Jets, but I certainly don't want

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Speaker 1: the Saints.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm a little heartbroken.

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Speaker 5: Chat.

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Speaker 4: I thought there was something a little off when I

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Speaker 4: made Shuck my hero, and you questioned it a little

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Speaker 4: bit on Sunday, and then I was like, oh my god,

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Speaker 4: a Chad not bet shuck at two hundred and one?

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Speaker 3: Did you not bet at Chad, Oh my god.

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Speaker 4: Just a gift, and I spent like five minutes of

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Speaker 4: breaking it down the avenue. He is now sixteen to one,

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Speaker 4: So Chris, you could have had him a two hundred

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Speaker 4: and one.

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Speaker 3: He's now sixty to one, and I have won a

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Speaker 3: lot of people.

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Speaker 4: I did take out an absurd amount of cash out

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Speaker 4: offers because I had to, Like, I basically did a

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Speaker 4: ton of parlays with with that bet, so like Mike

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Speaker 4: Vrabel Coach of the Year and Christian McCaffrey Offensive Player

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Speaker 4: of the Year in different parlays like that where you know,

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Speaker 4: if you bet one hundred bucks you're getting back like

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Speaker 4: you know, fifty k. It was pretty insane. So there

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Speaker 4: were some really nice cash out offers just because the

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Speaker 4: books are all panicking like that to move a guy

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Speaker 4: from two hundred one to sixteen to one, and like

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Speaker 4: you look at all the other guys ahead of them,

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Speaker 4: they're not doing anything that crazy to make them that

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Speaker 4: big a favorite. So this is the exact time to

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Speaker 4: get off the shuck train and the hype here and fade.

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Speaker 4: I mean him as a four point favorite. I'm shocked

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Speaker 4: you didn't love the Jets. Honestly, like this. It's probably

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Speaker 4: because we don't knowho the quarterback is.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I might know.

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Speaker 2: I love the Jets.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I don't care who the quarterback here is in

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Speaker 4: the spot. I'm just simply playing the number and how

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Speaker 4: stupid football is. And there's just these are two very

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Speaker 4: bad teams, and yes, the Saints are going the other direction.

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Speaker 4: If if one team's gonna blow out the other team,

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Speaker 4: it's definitely the Saints blowing out the Jets, no doubt.

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Speaker 4: Like their defense at least can get big time stops.

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Speaker 4: And like we talked to Shuck, he's good using his

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Speaker 4: legs and pushing the ball down field.

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Speaker 3: We are literally about in an unknown spot with this

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Speaker 3: Jets team.

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Speaker 4: But I mean huge back to back, huge divisional wins

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Speaker 4: for the Saints team. Now they're four point favorites against

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Speaker 4: the Jets. We have to have to take it. So,

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Speaker 4: like I said, there are four and a halfs out there.

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Speaker 4: If you're going to back this Jets team. I think

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Speaker 4: if it is Taylor or Fields, this could get back

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Speaker 4: to three. So I'll take it now just in case

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Speaker 4: it's one of those guys getting cleared and this line

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Speaker 4: does move a big.

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Speaker 1: Also, by the way, the Jets fired their defensive coordinator

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Speaker 1: this week, Steve Wilks, and I think the play caller

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Speaker 1: is now going to be the guy who had been

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Speaker 1: their receivers coach on defense. The play caller on defense

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Speaker 1: is now going to be there. He was some coach

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Speaker 1: on offense is now going to be the play caller

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Speaker 1: on defense. Things are going great in Aaron Glenn's first year,

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Speaker 1: and shame on the Jets who have just not tried

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Speaker 1: in any way to solve the quarterback problem even a

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Speaker 1: little bit.

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Speaker 2: For the first year head coach. Justin Fields was not

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Speaker 2: the solve at all.

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Speaker 1: Everyone knew that he is thirteen and god knows how

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Speaker 1: many years every Bears fan could have told you he's

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Speaker 1: just not throwing the ball downfield.

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Speaker 2: Los Angeles Chargers at the Dallas Cowboys. The Cowboys are

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Speaker 2: one and a half point favorites. We discussed this on

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Speaker 2: Sunday Night, leaning the Chargers. They are still the underdogs.

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Speaker 2: It has come down from two and a half to

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Speaker 2: one and a half. Doesn't it feel chocky to be

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Speaker 2: on the Chargers here? Like they just ended the Chiefs dynasty.

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Speaker 2: The Cowboys just had an ugly loss at home. The

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Speaker 2: majority of the beast surround the Chargers here. I feel

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Speaker 2: like we never get this Chargers team right. They are

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Speaker 2: like the Titans.

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Speaker 1: We're always offen when we should be on them, and

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Speaker 1: on them when we should be off the If we

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Speaker 1: want to be on him this week, it makes me

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Speaker 1: want to bet the Cowboys.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, but again we miss with it.

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Speaker 4: We talked to the Chargers, you're supposed to just blindly

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Speaker 4: bet Herbert as a dog, and it's what two straight

659
00:30:21,440 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 4: weeks he's covered as a dog, and both times we

660
00:30:24,760 --> 00:30:27,880
Speaker 4: had good reasonings for going against him. And sure it

661
00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:29,520
Speaker 4: feels like he got very lucky in the Eagles game.

662
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,560
Speaker 4: In that Chiefs game once again, feel like they got

663
00:30:31,640 --> 00:30:35,400
Speaker 4: very lucky where you never expect to shut out my

664
00:30:35,440 --> 00:30:37,840
Speaker 4: homes and especially when they had opportunities. They just that

665
00:30:37,960 --> 00:30:41,200
Speaker 4: Charge defense has really stepped up. So this is no

666
00:30:41,280 --> 00:30:42,440
Speaker 4: different than the Minnesota game.

667
00:30:42,560 --> 00:30:42,720
Speaker 3: Chat.

668
00:30:42,720 --> 00:30:45,160
Speaker 4: If you're backing the Chargers, really backing them because they

669
00:30:45,160 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 4: actually have a good defense that can get stops. Dallas

670
00:30:48,360 --> 00:30:49,960
Speaker 4: on the other side, you saw the exact why we

671
00:30:49,960 --> 00:30:52,600
Speaker 4: didn't want to back them. It's like they just can't

672
00:30:52,600 --> 00:30:55,720
Speaker 4: get stopped. So you're right, this is a Dallas spot.

673
00:30:55,800 --> 00:30:58,920
Speaker 4: Dallas should cover the The crazy thing is this is

674
00:30:59,000 --> 00:31:03,040
Speaker 4: super super profession The pros are hammering Dallas and the public,

675
00:31:03,120 --> 00:31:06,680
Speaker 4: like you just said, they're hammering the Chargers. So it's

676
00:31:06,720 --> 00:31:08,880
Speaker 4: another game where maybe I'll get a better feel of it,

677
00:31:09,080 --> 00:31:10,959
Speaker 4: try to find out what groups are taking that position here,

678
00:31:10,960 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 4: because this is another game where it's like, I can't

679
00:31:12,480 --> 00:31:15,480
Speaker 4: imagine betting six figures into Dallas or the Chargers right now,

680
00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: So I.

681
00:31:15,880 --> 00:31:17,880
Speaker 3: Like this one totally blows my mind.

682
00:31:17,920 --> 00:31:21,320
Speaker 4: They're professional groups betting heavy into either side right now.

683
00:31:21,360 --> 00:31:24,040
Speaker 3: And like you said, they're two and a half's popping

684
00:31:24,080 --> 00:31:24,600
Speaker 3: out there.

685
00:31:25,400 --> 00:31:27,200
Speaker 4: They've come back down a certain books, but they're still

686
00:31:27,240 --> 00:31:29,640
Speaker 4: available if you do want the Chargers a plus two

687
00:31:29,640 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 4: and a half. And like you talking a little about there,

688
00:31:32,040 --> 00:31:36,880
Speaker 4: the Cowboys, they offensively should match up and play well

689
00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:39,000
Speaker 4: here against this Chargers team.

690
00:31:38,800 --> 00:31:40,920
Speaker 3: But I don't know, you can hear my voice. I

691
00:31:41,000 --> 00:31:42,480
Speaker 3: just I can't get there.

692
00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 4: This Cowboys team is a favorite against a playoff caliber

693
00:31:45,320 --> 00:31:46,960
Speaker 4: team that the Chargers are. I mean they are a

694
00:31:46,960 --> 00:31:49,560
Speaker 4: playoff team right now, So totally I can't do it.

695
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,200
Speaker 1: Can you do Cleveland plus ten at home against the

696
00:31:53,240 --> 00:31:57,200
Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills? Because that's all I have to say there's

697
00:31:57,280 --> 00:32:01,640
Speaker 1: no questions. We're going to bet the brown It doesn't matter.

698
00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 1: The Bills just came off their game of the year.

699
00:32:04,840 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: The Browns just got blown out. If you look at

700
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:11,720
Speaker 1: any metrics, like over the history of modeling, it says

701
00:32:11,760 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: take the Browns and then, knowing how we feel about

702
00:32:13,840 --> 00:32:17,959
Speaker 1: the Browns at home with this defense, Deeveland Browns plus ten.

703
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:19,640
Speaker 2: Don't even say no, just say yes.

704
00:32:20,520 --> 00:32:23,440
Speaker 3: This game had all the makings of a trap.

705
00:32:23,800 --> 00:32:26,360
Speaker 4: In years past, the Buffalo Bills would see a game

706
00:32:26,480 --> 00:32:28,480
Speaker 4: like this kind of lay down, not play well and

707
00:32:28,520 --> 00:32:29,200
Speaker 4: get smacked.

708
00:32:29,200 --> 00:32:32,440
Speaker 3: But these Bills are not those Bills. Somebody might say

709
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:33,760
Speaker 3: they're our bills.

710
00:32:34,680 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 4: I would say no, because you want to wait and

711
00:32:36,240 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 4: get the ten and a half. There's ten and a

712
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 4: half popping up out there.

713
00:32:39,320 --> 00:32:41,400
Speaker 1: As long as you're not saying no, that's crazy. We

714
00:32:41,440 --> 00:32:44,360
Speaker 1: shouldn't betting this game at all. I'm fine with it,

715
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:47,400
Speaker 1: but we're gonna have to bet the Browns again.

716
00:32:47,600 --> 00:32:48,800
Speaker 3: I could change come Thursday.

717
00:32:48,840 --> 00:32:50,800
Speaker 4: We sitting here on Tuesday and I'm like, I just

718
00:32:51,560 --> 00:32:53,040
Speaker 4: maybe I'm instance at the numbers too long.

719
00:32:53,080 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 3: I'm just so terrified of betting this Browns team.

720
00:32:55,600 --> 00:32:58,479
Speaker 4: And we joked I feel like such a needed how

721
00:32:58,520 --> 00:33:02,440
Speaker 4: do we not just once again fade them last week?

722
00:33:02,480 --> 00:33:05,200
Speaker 4: And maybe they've given up Chad, that's the fear of

723
00:33:05,240 --> 00:33:09,040
Speaker 4: this Cleveland team, buddy. Like it's just been non expiring,

724
00:33:09,280 --> 00:33:13,880
Speaker 4: non inspirational football these last couple of weeks, and the

725
00:33:13,920 --> 00:33:16,120
Speaker 4: only one that really cares, it feels like, is Miles

726
00:33:16,160 --> 00:33:17,440
Speaker 4: Garet because he's playing for history.

727
00:33:17,520 --> 00:33:19,480
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know.

728
00:33:21,160 --> 00:33:23,320
Speaker 4: This, this Josh Allen team, Like you said, this is

729
00:33:23,360 --> 00:33:25,840
Speaker 4: probably the right time to selling them. And this is

730
00:33:25,880 --> 00:33:28,680
Speaker 4: a classic game where the Bills lose outright, Honestly when

731
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 4: you go back through it, like the games they lose,

732
00:33:31,200 --> 00:33:33,440
Speaker 4: the ones you never see coming, like that Atlanta game

733
00:33:33,480 --> 00:33:34,040
Speaker 4: earlier in the year.

734
00:33:34,120 --> 00:33:36,480
Speaker 3: So yeah, I don't know, don't know what to do.

735
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:38,920
Speaker 4: It's I feel like we're both the same spot where

736
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,880
Speaker 4: this is a dog we are never gonna avoid and

737
00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,080
Speaker 4: ten and a half, Like I said, there's tons of

738
00:33:43,080 --> 00:33:45,040
Speaker 4: ten and a half's out there. How can I not

739
00:33:45,080 --> 00:33:47,240
Speaker 4: grab that for this broouncy? But my god, is its growth.

740
00:33:47,600 --> 00:33:48,520
Speaker 2: I just want us to know.

741
00:33:48,640 --> 00:33:50,760
Speaker 1: I want us to recognize that on Sunday we need

742
00:33:50,800 --> 00:33:54,040
Speaker 1: to acknowledge it's a dog we're not gonna avoid, which

743
00:33:54,080 --> 00:33:54,760
Speaker 1: means on Sunday.

744
00:33:54,760 --> 00:33:56,720
Speaker 2: We have to avoid it because.

745
00:33:57,200 --> 00:33:59,800
Speaker 4: Can I give you their last three games? This Cleveland

746
00:33:59,800 --> 00:34:03,480
Speaker 4: team chef fine, So they did.

747
00:34:03,280 --> 00:34:04,280
Speaker 3: That was a crazy one.

748
00:34:04,320 --> 00:34:06,040
Speaker 4: They went to Vegas, they went twenty four to ten,

749
00:34:06,120 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 4: that was huge. They played the forty nine ers, they

750
00:34:10,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 4: lost twenty six to eight. We gave all the it

751
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:15,680
Speaker 4: wasn't their fault, it was a special team's fault. Then

752
00:34:15,719 --> 00:34:18,920
Speaker 4: they lost outright to Tennessee thirty one to twenty nine.

753
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:23,440
Speaker 4: This defense got embarrassed defensively against the run and against

754
00:34:23,440 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 4: the Bears. Caleb Williams wasn't really throwing the ball over

755
00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: the field. They just ran it down their throat. They

756
00:34:27,120 --> 00:34:29,520
Speaker 4: lost thirty one to three. So that's what I'm saying.

757
00:34:29,520 --> 00:34:31,680
Speaker 4: It's just a little scary. I'm not as confident the

758
00:34:31,680 --> 00:34:33,319
Speaker 4: Browns team like I should be, because, like you said,

759
00:34:33,320 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 4: this is a huge number. This is a great spot

760
00:34:35,320 --> 00:34:37,879
Speaker 4: to fade the Bills team. It's like, my god, if

761
00:34:37,920 --> 00:34:40,680
Speaker 4: you just give up a little bit defensively, it's totally over.

762
00:34:40,719 --> 00:34:42,319
Speaker 4: And that's what it looks like for this Browns team,

763
00:34:42,360 --> 00:34:44,480
Speaker 4: like they just did not stop the run. Right now,

764
00:34:44,480 --> 00:34:46,799
Speaker 4: and the Bills, what are the number two, number three

765
00:34:46,840 --> 00:34:51,600
Speaker 4: best running football team. In football, so it's a little scary.

766
00:34:51,680 --> 00:34:51,799
Speaker 2: Ah.

767
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 1: Good, you just talked us out of it. We don't

768
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:54,760
Speaker 1: have to put it in the final five on Sundays,

769
00:34:54,760 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: thank god, because we locked in today and then we

770
00:34:57,000 --> 00:34:58,000
Speaker 1: talked ourselves out of it.

771
00:34:58,400 --> 00:35:01,360
Speaker 2: Good for us. See how much we're learning. After fifteen

772
00:35:01,400 --> 00:35:03,440
Speaker 2: weeks of the NFL season, I just.

773
00:35:03,400 --> 00:35:05,080
Speaker 3: Need one to five in oh week. I mean we've

774
00:35:05,360 --> 00:35:06,200
Speaker 3: we've been very lucky.

775
00:35:06,280 --> 00:35:08,600
Speaker 4: I think we've had what four losing weeks out of fifteen,

776
00:35:08,680 --> 00:35:11,080
Speaker 4: But yeah, just give us one five in a week.

777
00:35:11,080 --> 00:35:12,680
Speaker 4: Get us up to sixty percent, because I think we're

778
00:35:12,719 --> 00:35:16,320
Speaker 4: at fifty seven percent or fifty eight percent for this season,

779
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 4: So five and oh week, just get us to sixty percent.

780
00:35:19,200 --> 00:35:20,600
Speaker 3: I love when we're at sixty percent.

781
00:35:21,640 --> 00:35:22,520
Speaker 2: You know what I don't love.

782
00:35:23,040 --> 00:35:25,520
Speaker 1: Cincinnati at Miami with Miami at hard Rock is a

783
00:35:26,000 --> 00:35:26,800
Speaker 1: one point favorite.

784
00:35:26,880 --> 00:35:28,759
Speaker 2: Most places there are one and a half point dog.

785
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:31,600
Speaker 1: That is reflective of hard Rock being in Florida and

786
00:35:31,640 --> 00:35:35,719
Speaker 1: knowing how to shade the line. Two teams have just

787
00:35:35,719 --> 00:35:37,960
Speaker 1: got blown out with terrible playing in a game against

788
00:35:37,960 --> 00:35:40,640
Speaker 1: each other in which no one is a clear favorite

789
00:35:40,680 --> 00:35:42,240
Speaker 1: and there's no significant edge.

790
00:35:43,360 --> 00:35:44,640
Speaker 2: I don't want to talk about this game.

791
00:35:45,520 --> 00:35:47,480
Speaker 3: I don't know, it's our favorite stat. You just said it.

792
00:35:47,560 --> 00:35:50,399
Speaker 4: Cincinnati got shut out, they scored zero points. We have

793
00:35:50,480 --> 00:35:52,040
Speaker 4: to bet since Yeah.

794
00:35:51,880 --> 00:35:53,879
Speaker 1: Well that stat is now six and oh I think

795
00:35:54,000 --> 00:35:55,160
Speaker 1: this season spreading.

796
00:35:55,320 --> 00:35:58,200
Speaker 4: Yeah, and I think it's like thirty two or thirty

797
00:35:58,239 --> 00:36:00,920
Speaker 4: three and seventeen since twenty twenty something crazy like that.

798
00:36:01,080 --> 00:36:04,160
Speaker 4: So it's just a weird thing where I think since

799
00:36:04,160 --> 00:36:05,040
Speaker 4: you got shut out.

800
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,000
Speaker 3: The Cleveland almost fitted.

801
00:36:06,000 --> 00:36:07,800
Speaker 4: I think Cleveland clicked a field goal they could have

802
00:36:07,840 --> 00:36:09,960
Speaker 4: They could have been that that number, but they didn't

803
00:36:10,000 --> 00:36:13,279
Speaker 4: get there. And I am shocked that we can get

804
00:36:13,320 --> 00:36:17,360
Speaker 4: since he plus one. So we already talked about it,

805
00:36:17,400 --> 00:36:19,359
Speaker 4: like this week, it's been interesting what the pros are doing.

806
00:36:19,400 --> 00:36:23,759
Speaker 4: The pros are hammering this Miami team, and I'm kind

807
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: of inclined to win to back Joe Burrow after that

808
00:36:25,880 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 4: embarrassing loss more than two.

809
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:30,040
Speaker 3: Like not that I want to punch you.

810
00:36:30,000 --> 00:36:31,680
Speaker 4: While you're downchat, but how do we how do we

811
00:36:31,800 --> 00:36:34,719
Speaker 4: talk ourselves out of that fading to a I can't

812
00:36:34,760 --> 00:36:36,799
Speaker 4: believe as soon as that game started, I know you

813
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:38,960
Speaker 4: saw that pick. You're just like my god to in

814
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:41,880
Speaker 4: the elements. Yeah, terrible, Yeah, thank god we had the

815
00:36:42,120 --> 00:36:44,640
Speaker 4: Pittsburgh on our favorite money line, Round Robin. It's just

816
00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,560
Speaker 4: two outdoors in the cold. It's just every time someone

817
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:49,520
Speaker 4: talks themselves and that you.

818
00:36:49,520 --> 00:36:52,960
Speaker 3: Must kill yourself, so kind of remarkable. It's crazy.

819
00:36:53,400 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 4: A lot of these guys have quit, man, Dave, shit

820
00:36:56,280 --> 00:36:57,319
Speaker 4: this thing, Dad.

821
00:36:57,400 --> 00:36:59,759
Speaker 3: I know quit when I see quit. Quit is not

822
00:36:59,840 --> 00:37:01,240
Speaker 3: just guys, is evident.

823
00:37:01,360 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 2: They're not mentally, physically emotionally in this thing.

824
00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,319
Speaker 4: So yeah, it's too at home against a bad team. Right,

825
00:37:07,360 --> 00:37:09,719
Speaker 4: You're supposed to back two here, so I get where

826
00:37:09,719 --> 00:37:10,439
Speaker 4: the pros are coming.

827
00:37:10,480 --> 00:37:11,840
Speaker 3: I guess I'll just be patient.

828
00:37:11,880 --> 00:37:14,359
Speaker 4: And I have to grab the bangles now just because

829
00:37:14,360 --> 00:37:16,359
Speaker 4: they're plus one of hard rock, but every chests at

830
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:19,399
Speaker 4: every other book, they're still favorite. Since he's so, I'm

831
00:37:19,440 --> 00:37:21,000
Speaker 4: not gonna tell you go grab since you hear it,

832
00:37:21,040 --> 00:37:23,520
Speaker 4: but I am. People can tell I'm kind of interested

833
00:37:23,600 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 4: in taking Joe Burrow to an embarrassing loss and just

834
00:37:26,800 --> 00:37:28,600
Speaker 4: what I think is the worst game he's ever played

835
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,320
Speaker 4: in his career, Like I don't I don't remember another

836
00:37:30,320 --> 00:37:33,480
Speaker 4: time he's got shut out. So yeah, this this game,

837
00:37:33,520 --> 00:37:36,080
Speaker 4: maybe I should just take the over, but I have

838
00:37:36,080 --> 00:37:37,680
Speaker 4: to give a side, and I'll just take Joe Burrow,

839
00:37:39,840 --> 00:37:40,359
Speaker 4: Joe cool.

840
00:37:42,960 --> 00:37:45,360
Speaker 3: Joe playoff three years and are real cool.

841
00:37:45,680 --> 00:37:50,200
Speaker 1: Joe who's suffered toe injuries, knee injuries, wrist injuries. The

842
00:37:50,239 --> 00:37:56,680
Speaker 1: poor guy, like he's just down. He's Joe sad, but

843
00:37:56,760 --> 00:38:00,839
Speaker 1: two was not sad. Two is like he's kind of

844
00:38:00,880 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: like you call me a scientologist. Tua is bordering on

845
00:38:06,440 --> 00:38:11,480
Speaker 1: scientology like mantras with his ability to stay positive. I

846
00:38:11,520 --> 00:38:12,839
Speaker 1: don't know what they're going to do with that train

847
00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:13,800
Speaker 1: wreck of a franchise.

848
00:38:13,840 --> 00:38:17,600
Speaker 4: Now Atlanta paid fifty million and the live in Miami

849
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,799
Speaker 4: and be terrible football. He's he's laughing all the way

850
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:21,799
Speaker 4: to the bank. Baby, he's on the sideline down by

851
00:38:21,800 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 4: twenty one laughing.

852
00:38:22,760 --> 00:38:24,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, I know that's what I'm saying. Like, I don't

853
00:38:24,480 --> 00:38:26,640
Speaker 1: get paid fifty million. I live in Connecticut to talk

854
00:38:26,640 --> 00:38:29,640
Speaker 1: about football and I'm too and I can't get down.

855
00:38:30,360 --> 00:38:32,400
Speaker 1: If I'm Tua and I get to live in Miami

856
00:38:32,719 --> 00:38:37,960
Speaker 1: and make fifty million, even better, Yeah, Atlanta at Arizona,

857
00:38:38,080 --> 00:38:41,920
Speaker 1: Arizona's a two and a half point boy. Only on

858
00:38:41,960 --> 00:38:45,480
Speaker 1: this show would anybody be talking about Arizona as a

859
00:38:45,480 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: two and a half point underdog in this game. Drake

860
00:38:49,760 --> 00:38:52,759
Speaker 1: London may be back. I was leaning Arizona, then I

861
00:38:52,800 --> 00:38:56,960
Speaker 1: saw the Drake London news. I'm sideways on this game

862
00:38:57,400 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: at this point, Like, I can't bet Kircus again just

863
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,840
Speaker 1: because they had a flucish win at the end of

864
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:05,759
Speaker 1: that game, and now he's going to be on the

865
00:39:05,840 --> 00:39:09,479
Speaker 1: road at two and a half against an Arizona team

866
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:11,719
Speaker 1: that look, they were playing close games and now they're

867
00:39:11,760 --> 00:39:15,720
Speaker 1: just getting blown out. So I do have one interesting

868
00:39:15,719 --> 00:39:19,759
Speaker 1: stat for you. Caleb Williams just set the record for

869
00:39:19,880 --> 00:39:24,400
Speaker 1: fewest interceptions in his first one thousand pass attempts. Do

870
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:26,479
Speaker 1: you know whose record he broke?

871
00:39:27,360 --> 00:39:30,440
Speaker 3: Yeah, two terrible quarterbacks. Got to be minsheum Brussette.

872
00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:33,400
Speaker 2: It's definitely Brisette. I don't know about Minshew, but he

873
00:39:33,440 --> 00:39:36,080
Speaker 2: broke That's amazing.

874
00:39:37,440 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: I don't want us to get caught into automatically betting

875
00:39:43,120 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: Bersette because we liked what he was doing earlier in

876
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:47,600
Speaker 1: the year when he was keeping these teams close, and

877
00:39:47,640 --> 00:39:49,440
Speaker 1: he was just a better option for the Cardinals than

878
00:39:49,480 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: Kyler Murray was. And now all of a sudden, they're

879
00:39:51,520 --> 00:39:54,440
Speaker 1: getting blown out again, and we think he's a competent quarterback,

880
00:39:54,680 --> 00:39:58,600
Speaker 1: but the rest of this team is trash. So like,

881
00:39:59,400 --> 00:40:01,279
Speaker 1: I kind of want a bet Arizona, but I don't

882
00:40:01,280 --> 00:40:02,720
Speaker 1: really want to do anything with this game.

883
00:40:04,400 --> 00:40:06,040
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like we keep talking about the end of

884
00:40:06,040 --> 00:40:06,880
Speaker 3: the year. This is tricky.

885
00:40:06,920 --> 00:40:08,920
Speaker 4: We were trying to bet into these bad teams and

886
00:40:08,960 --> 00:40:11,879
Speaker 4: it's like, you don't know who's totally officially quit.

887
00:40:12,280 --> 00:40:14,319
Speaker 3: Yeah, exactly, Arizona.

888
00:40:15,200 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 4: They have quit in many ways. They're they beat They

889
00:40:20,719 --> 00:40:25,839
Speaker 4: started the year two and zero and they they beat

890
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:29,239
Speaker 4: Dallas uh whatever that was in early November.

891
00:40:29,560 --> 00:40:30,560
Speaker 3: That's it. They've had.

892
00:40:30,600 --> 00:40:33,120
Speaker 4: They've had three years, three wins this year and they've just,

893
00:40:33,480 --> 00:40:35,360
Speaker 4: let's look at it right now, they've lost six straight.

894
00:40:35,480 --> 00:40:39,000
Speaker 4: So it's just it's hard to back them. But like

895
00:40:39,040 --> 00:40:41,040
Speaker 4: you said, it's really just about playing the number. I

896
00:40:41,080 --> 00:40:43,920
Speaker 4: have this even with the Drake London news, I'm probably

897
00:40:43,760 --> 00:40:44,799
Speaker 4: only gonna move at half a point.

898
00:40:44,840 --> 00:40:45,680
Speaker 3: So I did have it a pick.

899
00:40:45,760 --> 00:40:48,040
Speaker 4: Maybe I'll have them a minus one now for this

900
00:40:48,080 --> 00:40:51,400
Speaker 4: Falcons team. But this is this is insane. These are

901
00:40:51,400 --> 00:40:54,719
Speaker 4: two just terrible teams. Falcons, like you just said, they

902
00:40:54,760 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 4: might have just won their Super Bowl. What's working for

903
00:40:57,080 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 4: them is Kirk he's playing for next year in his

904
00:40:59,640 --> 00:41:03,239
Speaker 4: NIGG new job. And the Cardinals have zero pass rush

905
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:06,319
Speaker 4: that's gonna give him problems, Like that's Kirk's, you know,

906
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:07,120
Speaker 4: biggest weakness.

907
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:08,359
Speaker 3: Obviously he's moving him off the spot.

908
00:41:08,400 --> 00:41:10,680
Speaker 4: He's just terrible being off the spot now because he's

909
00:41:10,760 --> 00:41:14,239
Speaker 4: zero mobility. But there's going to really take advantage of that.

910
00:41:14,280 --> 00:41:16,280
Speaker 4: I don't know, but I just have to play the number.

911
00:41:16,280 --> 00:41:19,520
Speaker 4: And it's like they're just so due for a stupid win.

912
00:41:19,880 --> 00:41:22,879
Speaker 4: You let own a cover like this, And I don't

913
00:41:22,880 --> 00:41:25,000
Speaker 4: know who's back in Arizona. It feels like everyone's gonna

914
00:41:25,000 --> 00:41:27,960
Speaker 4: be back in this this Atlanta team. So another game

915
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040
Speaker 4: where I can be patient, Like, you can't grab a

916
00:41:30,080 --> 00:41:31,319
Speaker 4: two and a half if you want, but I think

917
00:41:31,360 --> 00:41:33,400
Speaker 4: you're gonna get three three and a halfs as the

918
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:37,200
Speaker 4: week goes along here, and if Drake Drake Linnon is cleared,

919
00:41:37,320 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 4: I definitely think you're gonna get three three and a half.

920
00:41:39,040 --> 00:41:40,759
Speaker 4: I just think public will come in on a lane hear,

921
00:41:40,880 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 4: so be patient if you do. The Cardinals side.

922
00:41:43,560 --> 00:41:46,280
Speaker 2: Pittsburgh good Detroit. Detroit is now a seven point favorite.

923
00:41:46,400 --> 00:41:50,120
Speaker 1: I gotta tell you, this line feels like a twenty

924
00:41:50,200 --> 00:41:53,200
Speaker 1: twenty four line, not a twenty twenty five line.

925
00:41:53,840 --> 00:41:56,360
Speaker 2: Hey, doesn't it like shouldn't it.

926
00:41:56,400 --> 00:42:01,920
Speaker 1: Shouldn't it be closer to five instead of of instead

927
00:42:01,960 --> 00:42:02,440
Speaker 1: of seven?

928
00:42:04,320 --> 00:42:06,319
Speaker 4: Yeah, I just honestly was mad because I wanted I

929
00:42:06,360 --> 00:42:08,480
Speaker 4: wanted to back the Lions. I was like, all right,

930
00:42:08,480 --> 00:42:10,879
Speaker 4: great Green Bay one big, maybe we'll get a four

931
00:42:11,280 --> 00:42:12,880
Speaker 4: three and a half type of line. We could come

932
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:14,360
Speaker 4: into the Lions here. But like you just said, this

933
00:42:14,480 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 4: is so inflated. And yes, the Steelers are terrible. Lions

934
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:22,080
Speaker 4: should move the ball on them as much as they want.

935
00:42:22,120 --> 00:42:25,680
Speaker 4: This is indoors. Nothing that can help the Steelers team defensively.

936
00:42:25,680 --> 00:42:29,320
Speaker 4: This is gonna be a track meet. But watching Rogers

937
00:42:29,320 --> 00:42:31,520
Speaker 4: and stuff, he can do them and it played secondaries

938
00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,759
Speaker 4: like you saw against Miami. If he keeps playing the

939
00:42:35,800 --> 00:42:38,200
Speaker 4: way he's been playing, shouldn't the Steelers keep this close?

940
00:42:38,280 --> 00:42:40,200
Speaker 4: Like they do have a passing offense, they do have

941
00:42:40,239 --> 00:42:42,240
Speaker 4: an offense that can move the ball and can attack

942
00:42:42,280 --> 00:42:44,680
Speaker 4: you in different ways. And we've talked about this line

943
00:42:44,800 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 4: secondary is just so banged up in bad Yeah, they

944
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:49,960
Speaker 4: should be able to get whatever they want with a

945
00:42:50,040 --> 00:42:51,480
Speaker 4: veteran like Rogers.

946
00:42:51,560 --> 00:42:54,279
Speaker 3: So it's a weird one. Like I, like I said,

947
00:42:54,320 --> 00:42:55,360
Speaker 3: I wanted to be on Detroit.

948
00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:58,120
Speaker 4: This is like I must win more desperate spot for them,

949
00:42:58,160 --> 00:43:02,480
Speaker 4: but at plus which is basically every book other than

950
00:43:02,520 --> 00:43:06,279
Speaker 4: hard rock right now on Pittsburgh. I guess I'm gonna

951
00:43:06,280 --> 00:43:08,319
Speaker 4: take it. It's another game I'm sitting on Tuesday. I don't

952
00:43:08,280 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 4: feel great about because it's like I wanted to be

953
00:43:09,920 --> 00:43:12,960
Speaker 4: on the lines, but the number just feels inflated. Yeah,

954
00:43:13,000 --> 00:43:15,960
Speaker 4: too inflated. So I'll take it with Rogers in the seven.

955
00:43:16,239 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 1: Also, look historically, if you want to bet Mike Tomlin,

956
00:43:19,880 --> 00:43:22,399
Speaker 1: how about betting him as an underdog in a raw

957
00:43:22,480 --> 00:43:27,040
Speaker 1: rad Tomlin spot on the road. Like we've said this year,

958
00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 1: we made the mistake of not backing Tomlin in a raw,

959
00:43:30,680 --> 00:43:33,600
Speaker 1: raw Mike Tomlin spot in the division, Robert and Mike

960
00:43:33,600 --> 00:43:38,239
Speaker 1: Tomlin spot is a huge underdog on the road. It's

961
00:43:38,280 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: hard to walk away from that one, now that I

962
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:41,160
Speaker 1: think about it.

963
00:43:41,160 --> 00:43:43,400
Speaker 4: It is, And it isn't del like because I, like

964
00:43:43,440 --> 00:43:46,000
Speaker 4: I said, this Pittsburgh defense, no one forgets how bad

965
00:43:46,040 --> 00:43:49,120
Speaker 4: they are just because they've had some good outdoor, cold

966
00:43:49,160 --> 00:43:51,360
Speaker 4: weather games. This is a defense that could easily be

967
00:43:51,400 --> 00:43:54,680
Speaker 4: torched for four hundred yards against this high potent Detroit offense.

968
00:43:54,719 --> 00:43:56,960
Speaker 3: I just I do think Rogers could keep us in

969
00:43:57,040 --> 00:43:57,279
Speaker 3: I do.

970
00:43:57,239 --> 00:44:01,239
Speaker 4: Think offensively, Pittsburgh's offense actually has that can attack this

971
00:44:01,440 --> 00:44:05,959
Speaker 4: putrid line secondary, so nex time, when they.

972
00:44:05,960 --> 00:44:11,640
Speaker 2: Ask you where from, you will say trying.

973
00:44:15,120 --> 00:44:18,080
Speaker 1: Simon, we got the Rams in the Seahawks plan, we

974
00:44:18,200 --> 00:44:21,000
Speaker 1: got the Bears in the Packers plane. But to me,

975
00:44:22,160 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 1: the most marquee interesting what the heck do we do

976
00:44:25,680 --> 00:44:29,960
Speaker 1: with these teams? Matchup is the Jacksonville Jaguars as three

977
00:44:30,000 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 1: point underdogs at the Denver Broncos.

978
00:44:33,000 --> 00:44:36,959
Speaker 2: Two quarterbacks that we have loved to fade all season long.

979
00:44:37,640 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 1: They have been proving us wrong recently, playing lights out.

980
00:44:44,280 --> 00:44:48,359
Speaker 1: Bo has clearly like done it against better competition as

981
00:44:48,400 --> 00:44:51,440
Speaker 1: of late, in more challenging circumstances.

982
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:54,880
Speaker 2: Trevor is just coming off literally the game of his life.

983
00:44:54,880 --> 00:44:55,319
Speaker 3: What do you have?

984
00:44:55,360 --> 00:44:59,719
Speaker 1: Five touchdowns, six touchdowns, passing touchdowns, rushing touchdowns. What I

985
00:44:59,760 --> 00:45:03,319
Speaker 1: can't grasp heier is the Jaguars have been doing it

986
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:09,080
Speaker 1: against terrible competition, right or injured competition in the Colts.

987
00:45:09,960 --> 00:45:12,799
Speaker 1: The Broncos have been doing it against good competition. What

988
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:16,520
Speaker 1: I can't figure out right now is for Trevor Lawrence

989
00:45:16,600 --> 00:45:19,400
Speaker 1: and the Jags, how much of it is he's finally

990
00:45:19,400 --> 00:45:22,359
Speaker 1: figuring out what Liam Cohn wants from him. Liam Cohn

991
00:45:22,480 --> 00:45:25,279
Speaker 1: is finally putting Trevor in positions to succeed because he

992
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:29,239
Speaker 1: knows Trevor's strengths and weaknesses that Kobe Meyer's trade, which

993
00:45:29,239 --> 00:45:31,960
Speaker 1: I think has unlocked a ton of potential for this

994
00:45:32,040 --> 00:45:35,919
Speaker 1: Jaguars offense and the level of competition. Like I want

995
00:45:35,920 --> 00:45:39,200
Speaker 1: to be on the Jags here, and I can't in

996
00:45:39,280 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: my head or in the numbers figure out which one

997
00:45:41,440 --> 00:45:45,480
Speaker 1: of these is true and which one I need to emphasize.

998
00:45:46,160 --> 00:45:48,759
Speaker 4: Yeah, maybe we're both biased to bon Knicks because I

999
00:45:49,080 --> 00:45:51,520
Speaker 4: have this at minus three and a half for Denver,

1000
00:45:52,040 --> 00:45:54,319
Speaker 4: but I still want to be on the Jaguars.

1001
00:45:54,400 --> 00:45:55,680
Speaker 3: I have no idea why that is.

1002
00:45:55,719 --> 00:45:59,200
Speaker 4: It's like, why can't I not commit to bon Knicks

1003
00:45:59,280 --> 00:46:01,799
Speaker 4: and this Denver team, Like, clearly they're the better team here,

1004
00:46:02,800 --> 00:46:05,719
Speaker 4: This Daguars team, like we've talked about all year. You

1005
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,560
Speaker 4: know they are good, but they beat up It feels

1006
00:46:08,560 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 4: like I bad teams. And even looking back that you

1007
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:13,920
Speaker 4: said through their schedule, I don't know.

1008
00:46:13,960 --> 00:46:15,480
Speaker 3: When it was, maybe it was early November.

1009
00:46:15,480 --> 00:46:17,600
Speaker 4: I remember them beating the hell out of the Chargers,

1010
00:46:17,600 --> 00:46:20,359
Speaker 4: like they beat the Chargers thirty five to I don't know,

1011
00:46:20,440 --> 00:46:23,840
Speaker 4: six ten. So they have beat good teams in this

1012
00:46:23,880 --> 00:46:28,200
Speaker 4: little street they're being on. But for me, just it

1013
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:29,680
Speaker 4: feels like a type of game that's going to be

1014
00:46:29,680 --> 00:46:31,439
Speaker 4: a coin flip. So I want to back the dog

1015
00:46:31,560 --> 00:46:35,520
Speaker 4: in that spot. And I see both quarterbacks having to

1016
00:46:35,600 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 4: have a letdown, Like I just bo Nicks that game

1017
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:40,080
Speaker 4: he had last week.

1018
00:46:41,480 --> 00:46:42,960
Speaker 3: I've seen him have that game.

1019
00:46:42,800 --> 00:46:45,640
Speaker 4: And have total meltdowns the following games, like he just

1020
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:49,239
Speaker 4: gets too full of himself. And this Jaguars team, as

1021
00:46:49,239 --> 00:46:52,440
Speaker 4: good as Trevor Lawrence was in that game, a lot

1022
00:46:52,480 --> 00:46:55,480
Speaker 4: of that was scheme, like guys were honestly wide open.

1023
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:57,640
Speaker 4: And you know, his last touchdown I think was a

1024
00:46:57,680 --> 00:46:59,360
Speaker 4: dump off the Travis Etna and he took it like

1025
00:46:59,440 --> 00:47:03,040
Speaker 4: seventy yards. So you know, his numbers are a bit

1026
00:47:03,080 --> 00:47:05,399
Speaker 4: a little bit inflated. But I don't think leam Comb

1027
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:06,840
Speaker 4: is going to let his head get inflated.

1028
00:47:06,880 --> 00:47:08,719
Speaker 3: So I do.

1029
00:47:08,840 --> 00:47:10,680
Speaker 4: I do like the Jack stare, I can't believe it

1030
00:47:10,719 --> 00:47:13,320
Speaker 4: because it's like the number my model says, take Denver

1031
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,520
Speaker 4: and I know they're the better team here, but it's

1032
00:47:16,640 --> 00:47:20,000
Speaker 4: just it feels like too many points plus three this

1033
00:47:20,080 --> 00:47:23,200
Speaker 4: Jaguars team is good. Man like, they are good. They're

1034
00:47:23,239 --> 00:47:25,040
Speaker 4: going to be a tough out. It feels like come

1035
00:47:25,280 --> 00:47:28,719
Speaker 4: come January. So again, it's not just the offense. Their

1036
00:47:28,760 --> 00:47:31,839
Speaker 4: defense I think is better than people realize. So yeah,

1037
00:47:32,000 --> 00:47:33,640
Speaker 4: I might be missing the mark here for sure on

1038
00:47:33,719 --> 00:47:36,000
Speaker 4: bon Nick's year, but I can't believe I feel more

1039
00:47:36,000 --> 00:47:37,560
Speaker 4: confident in this Jaguars team.

1040
00:47:37,800 --> 00:47:39,480
Speaker 2: Well, let's let a play out. We don't have to

1041
00:47:39,480 --> 00:47:40,720
Speaker 2: commit at this point.

1042
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,160
Speaker 1: We got a minute to sort of examine a little

1043
00:47:44,160 --> 00:47:46,200
Speaker 1: bit more our minds. There are certain games where we've

1044
00:47:46,239 --> 00:47:48,319
Speaker 1: changed our minds this year, and this could be one

1045
00:47:48,360 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 1: of them. Las Vegas at Houston. Houston is a fourteen

1046
00:47:51,080 --> 00:47:54,360
Speaker 1: and a half point favorite. Everything says bit the Raiders, like,

1047
00:47:55,040 --> 00:47:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, the way the Texans are flying, that the

1048
00:47:59,239 --> 00:48:02,759
Speaker 1: terrible loss that the Raiders just came off of. They're

1049
00:48:02,760 --> 00:48:05,480
Speaker 1: gonna have to blow up that entire franchise. They got

1050
00:48:05,800 --> 00:48:09,440
Speaker 1: like they are just desk. They got Max Crosby, brock Bauers,

1051
00:48:09,560 --> 00:48:13,840
Speaker 1: Ashton genty, and they got nothing else of any import whatsoever.

1052
00:48:13,880 --> 00:48:16,279
Speaker 1: They might have to get rid of Pete Carroll, you know,

1053
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,320
Speaker 1: they got rid of Chip Kelly. Chip Kelly I think

1054
00:48:18,719 --> 00:48:23,240
Speaker 1: in his last twenty five games as a professional coach

1055
00:48:23,360 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: was four and twenty one, either as offensive coordinator or

1056
00:48:27,160 --> 00:48:30,200
Speaker 1: a head coach, and hadn't scored over thirty points in

1057
00:48:30,200 --> 00:48:31,040
Speaker 1: any of those games.

1058
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,200
Speaker 2: So this offensive genius thing it didn't work.

1059
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: Isn't this when and I'm not saying we have to,

1060
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,800
Speaker 1: but isn't this when you're supposed to bet the Raiders?

1061
00:48:42,600 --> 00:48:46,160
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was the lessonship they didn't learn in Philadelphia.

1062
00:48:46,280 --> 00:48:49,760
Speaker 4: In the NFL, the players do matter. Like you can't

1063
00:48:49,800 --> 00:48:52,200
Speaker 4: just get rid of everybody and think, no, it's me

1064
00:48:52,239 --> 00:48:54,680
Speaker 4: and the scheme. No, it's it's almost going to be

1065
00:48:54,680 --> 00:48:56,520
Speaker 4: about the players in this league. It's just the talent

1066
00:48:56,600 --> 00:48:59,040
Speaker 4: levels that high, and the coaching is what changes it

1067
00:48:59,120 --> 00:49:01,719
Speaker 4: and takes it to another So, you know, looking at

1068
00:49:01,719 --> 00:49:03,880
Speaker 4: this Vegas team, like you said, this is the exact spot.

1069
00:49:03,960 --> 00:49:05,120
Speaker 3: I know people don't want to hear because it's on

1070
00:49:05,120 --> 00:49:05,839
Speaker 3: me about their money line.

1071
00:49:05,920 --> 00:49:08,480
Speaker 4: Last week, I'm betting the Vegas winney line again, Like

1072
00:49:08,520 --> 00:49:09,200
Speaker 4: this is just.

1073
00:49:09,880 --> 00:49:10,440
Speaker 3: We've seen it.

1074
00:49:10,440 --> 00:49:14,160
Speaker 4: These late season huge dogs, they randomly upset these high

1075
00:49:14,200 --> 00:49:16,960
Speaker 4: flying playoff teams who just overlook them and have a

1076
00:49:17,040 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 4: letdown game.

1077
00:49:17,800 --> 00:49:18,800
Speaker 3: It's just human nature.

1078
00:49:18,880 --> 00:49:22,760
Speaker 4: So you know, can can Houston beat them by fourteen

1079
00:49:22,800 --> 00:49:25,760
Speaker 4: and a half points, of course, I mean the Raiders

1080
00:49:25,760 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 4: that just got shut out against the Eagles, And I think, look.

1081
00:49:28,040 --> 00:49:30,280
Speaker 2: Just what happened this past week with all the huge favorites.

1082
00:49:30,440 --> 00:49:31,319
Speaker 2: They all won.

1083
00:49:31,680 --> 00:49:33,799
Speaker 3: Yeah, that's true, they all covered except.

1084
00:49:33,560 --> 00:49:36,120
Speaker 2: For except for Seattle against Philip Rivers.

1085
00:49:36,480 --> 00:49:39,520
Speaker 4: Yeah, and again that was crazy win by them. That

1086
00:49:39,600 --> 00:49:43,640
Speaker 4: in another life that Colts definitely win that game. So, uh,

1087
00:49:43,000 --> 00:49:45,560
Speaker 4: I get it. People are probably sick of this one.

1088
00:49:46,000 --> 00:49:48,120
Speaker 4: I have a feeling they'll come Sunday and might be

1089
00:49:48,200 --> 00:49:49,959
Speaker 4: talking chat and trying to take the Raiders of plus

1090
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:50,600
Speaker 4: fourteen and a half.

1091
00:49:50,600 --> 00:49:52,200
Speaker 3: It's just exalting me into it.

1092
00:49:52,239 --> 00:49:53,640
Speaker 1: I just said to you, don't we have to take

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Speaker 1: the Raiders. You're not talking to me in anything. I'm

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00:49:55,360 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: sitting here in Vegas.

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00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:57,799
Speaker 3: I'm seeing on Sunday. I don't know if you're gonna

1096
00:49:58,160 --> 00:49:58,960
Speaker 3: you're saying that right now.

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00:49:58,960 --> 00:50:00,800
Speaker 4: It's a lot different to put it in actual contest,

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00:50:00,880 --> 00:50:03,200
Speaker 4: being like, yeah, we are really really putting the Vegas

1099
00:50:03,280 --> 00:50:06,120
Speaker 4: left for dead team against the best defensive football in

1100
00:50:06,160 --> 00:50:06,680
Speaker 4: the contest.

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00:50:06,719 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 1: So yeah, right right now, I think our five is

1102
00:50:09,760 --> 00:50:15,600
Speaker 1: going to be the Giants, the Jets, Cleveland, the Raiders,

1103
00:50:15,760 --> 00:50:18,800
Speaker 1: the Cardinals. It's going to be a fucking blast on Sunday.

1104
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Speaker 1: Let's talk about some from tom games. First of all,

1105
00:50:22,960 --> 00:50:25,839
Speaker 1: Sunday night, we win to Baltimore. Baltimore is a three

1106
00:50:26,320 --> 00:50:30,719
Speaker 1: point favorite. I'm saying it now. Chad's Choice presented by

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00:50:30,880 --> 00:50:32,760
Speaker 1: Hard Rock Bet.

1108
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:34,719
Speaker 2: It's going to be the New England Patriots.

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00:50:36,840 --> 00:50:38,840
Speaker 3: Are you sure you want to do this? Are you

1110
00:50:38,880 --> 00:50:42,600
Speaker 3: willing to make a choice choice? We can't run from

1111
00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:46,120
Speaker 3: who we are. The Sharp News can just see it.

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00:50:46,280 --> 00:50:46,879
Speaker 3: You know what I mean.

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00:50:50,440 --> 00:50:56,080
Speaker 1: I'm jumping on the New England Patriots bounce back bandwagon.

1114
00:50:56,200 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 2: But you know you gave us your shame on you to.

1115
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:05,080
Speaker 1: All the cocky Patriots fans who victory lapped in the

1116
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,960
Speaker 1: first half of that Buffalo Bill's game.

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00:51:10,360 --> 00:51:11,560
Speaker 2: You may not know the.

1118
00:51:11,400 --> 00:51:16,560
Speaker 1: First victory lap was by uh former Patriots quarterback now

1119
00:51:16,560 --> 00:51:19,880
Speaker 1: announcer Scott Zolac of the Patriots Radio Network.

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00:51:20,400 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 2: Listen to what he said on the air in the

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00:51:25,000 --> 00:51:28,279
Speaker 2: middle of that game. This is what Simon was talking about.

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00:51:28,520 --> 00:51:37,200
Speaker 3: You have to Trayn Ryan de North Patriots, what are

1123
00:51:37,239 --> 00:51:43,920
Speaker 3: you thinking? Who were closed? He's a ship and we

1124
00:51:44,000 --> 00:51:45,000
Speaker 3: were all done.

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Speaker 2: It just helped the day.

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Speaker 1: God bless him, but you and I bet the Bills

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00:51:50,280 --> 00:51:52,839
Speaker 1: in that game, and we still weren't like, didn't think,

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Speaker 1: oh my god, we're out of it because they're up

1129
00:51:54,480 --> 00:51:57,279
Speaker 1: twenty one nothing in the first half. Apparently he wasn't

1130
00:51:57,320 --> 00:51:59,400
Speaker 1: paying attention to the fact that the Patriots had the

1131
00:51:59,480 --> 00:52:02,840
Speaker 1: best point differential in the first half and the Bills

1132
00:52:02,880 --> 00:52:04,720
Speaker 1: have the best in the second half, and that continue

1133
00:52:04,719 --> 00:52:05,239
Speaker 1: to play out.

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00:52:05,760 --> 00:52:07,280
Speaker 2: But look, this is a bounce back spot.

1135
00:52:07,719 --> 00:52:10,080
Speaker 1: And if you talk about two teams that are going

1136
00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:13,560
Speaker 1: in opposite directions right now, the Ravens are reeling and

1137
00:52:14,080 --> 00:52:17,239
Speaker 1: even if they're winning, they're still reeling. And what they

1138
00:52:17,320 --> 00:52:19,280
Speaker 1: did against the Bengals, to me, is not an indication

1139
00:52:19,360 --> 00:52:21,440
Speaker 1: of oh yeah, they're all of a sudden in a

1140
00:52:21,480 --> 00:52:23,800
Speaker 1: better position. They may still win this game, but I

1141
00:52:23,880 --> 00:52:26,800
Speaker 1: think it's going to be a very close game. And

1142
00:52:26,920 --> 00:52:29,520
Speaker 1: I like the Patriots ability to bounce back when they

1143
00:52:29,600 --> 00:52:33,120
Speaker 1: absolutely have to. They got to win this game to

1144
00:52:33,200 --> 00:52:35,840
Speaker 1: stay in contention to win this division. I'm going to

1145
00:52:35,880 --> 00:52:38,359
Speaker 1: trust Mike vrabel here as an underdup. That's the bottom line.

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00:52:39,440 --> 00:52:43,359
Speaker 4: Yeah, And it's great test for this Patriots team where

1147
00:52:44,960 --> 00:52:48,160
Speaker 4: you know, not that we've been just never aning beating

1148
00:52:48,239 --> 00:52:50,640
Speaker 4: them up about ease of their schedules, but come on, now,

1149
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,520
Speaker 4: that's just everyone's talking point. They've had an easy schedule

1150
00:52:54,560 --> 00:52:56,640
Speaker 4: and it's been nice. They have real good tests here

1151
00:52:56,719 --> 00:52:59,480
Speaker 4: before the playoffs to see what this team is and if.

1152
00:52:59,400 --> 00:53:01,080
Speaker 3: They're for real. They filed.

1153
00:53:01,239 --> 00:53:04,080
Speaker 4: They failed the first test right in December. That was,

1154
00:53:04,600 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 4: like you just said, that was lined up perfect for them.

1155
00:53:08,040 --> 00:53:10,960
Speaker 4: They had their foot on the throat of that Bills

1156
00:53:11,040 --> 00:53:13,759
Speaker 4: team and just like their fan base, who knows what

1157
00:53:13,800 --> 00:53:16,520
Speaker 4: happened to that halftime, but they came out and just

1158
00:53:16,800 --> 00:53:19,279
Speaker 4: did not make the right adjustments and this Bills team

1159
00:53:19,360 --> 00:53:21,920
Speaker 4: did and they dominated. It's another test of a veteran

1160
00:53:22,040 --> 00:53:26,399
Speaker 4: team with a veteran former MVP quarterback that they're having

1161
00:53:26,440 --> 00:53:28,640
Speaker 4: a down year, but they have the guys right. The

1162
00:53:28,760 --> 00:53:31,840
Speaker 4: Ravens have the talent to be a good team and

1163
00:53:31,960 --> 00:53:34,600
Speaker 4: win this game, but they just have not been playing

1164
00:53:34,640 --> 00:53:36,799
Speaker 4: that way this season, even that Cincinnati game, since they

1165
00:53:36,840 --> 00:53:39,279
Speaker 4: had swiming opportunities to win and steal that game and

1166
00:53:39,440 --> 00:53:42,239
Speaker 4: just Joe kept giving it away. I'm gonna trust Drake

1167
00:53:42,320 --> 00:53:44,120
Speaker 4: made to bounce back. I know it's crazy, but it's

1168
00:53:44,200 --> 00:53:46,840
Speaker 4: like I just every game, the more I watch, the

1169
00:53:46,960 --> 00:53:49,080
Speaker 4: more I become a believer of Drake man iss playing style,

1170
00:53:49,320 --> 00:53:51,759
Speaker 4: and you know, the MVP stuff that might be out

1171
00:53:51,800 --> 00:53:53,480
Speaker 4: the door now at this point if these other veteran

1172
00:53:53,560 --> 00:53:56,160
Speaker 4: quarterbacks like Josh Allen or Stafford keep playing at such

1173
00:53:56,200 --> 00:53:58,680
Speaker 4: a high level. But this is the type of game

1174
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 4: that gets them right back into it if you is

1175
00:54:00,239 --> 00:54:02,200
Speaker 4: it right. This is a really good test for him

1176
00:54:02,320 --> 00:54:04,840
Speaker 4: and a game that they must win. So I'm with

1177
00:54:04,960 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 4: you matchup wise, breaking it all down, it's can we

1178
00:54:08,160 --> 00:54:11,440
Speaker 4: be a little patient and see who the Patriots getting back?

1179
00:54:11,520 --> 00:54:13,600
Speaker 4: If that's gonna be a big deal defensively, sure, but

1180
00:54:14,280 --> 00:54:16,319
Speaker 4: I just think this is the type of matchup where

1181
00:54:16,800 --> 00:54:18,759
Speaker 4: Ravens defense is suspected. I know they got their shot

1182
00:54:18,800 --> 00:54:21,560
Speaker 4: out last week, but I still think the Patriots McDaniels

1183
00:54:21,600 --> 00:54:22,840
Speaker 4: are gonna be able to move the ball here. So

1184
00:54:23,680 --> 00:54:25,719
Speaker 4: I am shocked the snummers up the plus three. I'm

1185
00:54:25,760 --> 00:54:28,080
Speaker 4: looking forward to hearing what the pros are thinking this one,

1186
00:54:28,120 --> 00:54:31,520
Speaker 4: because it's all early Ravens money right now. And yeah,

1187
00:54:31,560 --> 00:54:33,279
Speaker 4: we might be the public side of this Patriots side,

1188
00:54:33,280 --> 00:54:34,799
Speaker 4: but I think the public's right here.

1189
00:54:34,840 --> 00:54:36,600
Speaker 3: This is too big of a number for this Patriots team.

1190
00:54:37,280 --> 00:54:40,920
Speaker 1: Last game on the board, the San Francisco forty nine

1191
00:54:41,040 --> 00:54:45,000
Speaker 1: ers visiting Philip Rivers in his second start as a

1192
00:54:45,080 --> 00:54:48,560
Speaker 1: forty four year old grandfather, nearly pulling off the upset.

1193
00:54:49,040 --> 00:54:52,120
Speaker 1: Last week, the Indianapolis Colts are five and a half

1194
00:54:52,239 --> 00:54:53,799
Speaker 1: point underdogs.

1195
00:54:55,360 --> 00:54:56,880
Speaker 5: You know, at some point we had to get to

1196
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:01,600
Speaker 5: Philip Rivers, sixth on the NFL's all time passing yarders list,

1197
00:55:02,040 --> 00:55:04,840
Speaker 5: with arguably one of the most awkward throwing motions in

1198
00:55:04,920 --> 00:55:07,400
Speaker 5: the history of football, And.

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Speaker 1: It almost feels low to me, to be honest, like

1200
00:55:11,000 --> 00:55:14,200
Speaker 1: the Niners should be the side here. We got the excitement,

1201
00:55:14,280 --> 00:55:17,120
Speaker 1: we got the Philip Rivers bounce. He did some things.

1202
00:55:17,800 --> 00:55:19,279
Speaker 1: Now defenses have seen him.

1203
00:55:19,800 --> 00:55:20,400
Speaker 2: He's having a.

1204
00:55:20,400 --> 00:55:23,279
Speaker 1: Hard time throwing that ball. As we discussed on Sunday night,

1205
00:55:23,920 --> 00:55:28,840
Speaker 1: the Niners to me have been a much more competent

1206
00:55:29,000 --> 00:55:33,320
Speaker 1: offense than the Seahawks have been the past few weeks,

1207
00:55:34,040 --> 00:55:38,320
Speaker 1: comparison to comparison, even level with Phil Broster, brock Perdy, McCaffrey,

1208
00:55:38,440 --> 00:55:39,680
Speaker 1: Kittle all playing.

1209
00:55:39,960 --> 00:55:40,919
Speaker 2: I like the Niners show.

1210
00:55:41,719 --> 00:55:44,200
Speaker 3: Yeah, not sure what to do with this one, just

1211
00:55:44,320 --> 00:55:45,160
Speaker 3: word a little bits.

1212
00:55:45,280 --> 00:55:47,200
Speaker 4: It reminds me a little bit of the Dallas Vikings

1213
00:55:47,280 --> 00:55:50,480
Speaker 4: game where I talked that was a primetime trap. This

1214
00:55:50,719 --> 00:55:54,360
Speaker 4: has prime time trap written all over it. So I

1215
00:55:54,440 --> 00:55:55,880
Speaker 4: am hoping this number goes up.

1216
00:55:55,920 --> 00:55:56,560
Speaker 3: It is going up.

1217
00:55:56,600 --> 00:55:58,279
Speaker 4: Like you said, there were five and a half's out

1218
00:55:58,320 --> 00:56:02,120
Speaker 4: there on the Francisco side, and it's gone up. A

1219
00:56:02,160 --> 00:56:03,759
Speaker 4: lot of books now are popping up to six six

1220
00:56:03,840 --> 00:56:06,080
Speaker 4: and a half, So I think your early reads right.

1221
00:56:06,160 --> 00:56:08,960
Speaker 4: The professionals are joining you on this Foreign Iris team.

1222
00:56:08,960 --> 00:56:12,640
Speaker 4: I just I have so many questions about this Foreign

1223
00:56:12,640 --> 00:56:14,160
Speaker 4: Iris team. I know they've been playing really well and

1224
00:56:14,160 --> 00:56:17,800
Speaker 4: they've been winning their offenses in full click mode, but

1225
00:56:18,280 --> 00:56:20,200
Speaker 4: I just I don't know.

1226
00:56:20,320 --> 00:56:22,600
Speaker 3: There's something just off with me about this Foreign Iris team.

1227
00:56:22,640 --> 00:56:24,600
Speaker 4: So I think you're right where. I'm gonna dive into

1228
00:56:24,600 --> 00:56:26,360
Speaker 4: the numbers and I'll see it. This is gonna be

1229
00:56:26,400 --> 00:56:29,239
Speaker 4: probably a better side to be on this fort niners team.

1230
00:56:29,320 --> 00:56:31,239
Speaker 4: So if we have to give an early bed here,

1231
00:56:31,920 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 4: I'll join you on this forty nine X team.

1232
00:56:35,160 --> 00:56:37,239
Speaker 3: But it's really about the number.

1233
00:56:37,440 --> 00:56:39,080
Speaker 4: I'll grab a six now because I think it is

1234
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:40,680
Speaker 4: by the time we do Thursday showed it is up

1235
00:56:40,680 --> 00:56:42,520
Speaker 4: to six and a half, maybe seven, just because I

1236
00:56:42,719 --> 00:56:44,480
Speaker 4: just I don't know who's betting the Colts, who is

1237
00:56:44,600 --> 00:56:47,640
Speaker 4: backing the Colts here. That's what I'm interesting to find out.

1238
00:56:47,680 --> 00:56:50,720
Speaker 4: So if I get clearance that there's no wise guys

1239
00:56:50,800 --> 00:56:52,560
Speaker 4: hammering this cold side of me and you were stepping

1240
00:56:52,560 --> 00:56:54,840
Speaker 4: in it, I'm happy for us to be back in

1241
00:56:54,920 --> 00:56:56,920
Speaker 4: this one, even in the contest, because I'm like you,

1242
00:56:57,080 --> 00:57:01,040
Speaker 4: it's like fort Niners offense, they should roll this Colts defense,

1243
00:57:01,120 --> 00:57:04,759
Speaker 4: and we've seen it solid defensively, he's you know, I

1244
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:06,719
Speaker 4: don't know how he's doing it, but he's making that

1245
00:57:06,840 --> 00:57:08,880
Speaker 4: defense work, and they just they scheme it up. And

1246
00:57:09,000 --> 00:57:14,080
Speaker 4: now you think, you know, another week of tape on

1247
00:57:14,320 --> 00:57:16,120
Speaker 4: Philip Rivers, I think it's going to help them. Where

1248
00:57:16,120 --> 00:57:17,920
Speaker 4: you saw what they want to do, right, it's just

1249
00:57:18,000 --> 00:57:20,000
Speaker 4: run the ball and keeping all the balls get close.

1250
00:57:20,120 --> 00:57:22,400
Speaker 4: Because once you did try to push the ball downfield,

1251
00:57:22,920 --> 00:57:25,080
Speaker 4: you saw there's no power by behind the throat the

1252
00:57:25,200 --> 00:57:29,360
Speaker 4: water too much. So it's maybe I'm overthinking and we

1253
00:57:29,400 --> 00:57:31,640
Speaker 4: should be hammering this Niners team, But like I said,

1254
00:57:31,640 --> 00:57:33,720
Speaker 4: it's so early in the week here, I just want

1255
00:57:33,760 --> 00:57:35,840
Speaker 4: to make sure I'm not stepping on this Niner side.

1256
00:57:36,360 --> 00:57:36,720
Speaker 3: All right.

1257
00:57:36,760 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 2: Look, we got a lot of games to review on Thursday.

1258
00:57:39,720 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: Once we get more intel on who's going to be

1259
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:45,520
Speaker 1: playing in the games once we get some feedback from

1260
00:57:45,520 --> 00:57:46,240
Speaker 1: the wise guys.

1261
00:57:46,600 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 2: Chad choice was New England plus three.

1262
00:57:48,680 --> 00:57:53,200
Speaker 1: Simon says was the New York Football Giants plus three.

1263
00:57:53,720 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 1: But we're waiting on a lot of intel here because

1264
00:57:57,920 --> 00:58:00,240
Speaker 1: right now I do not want to go into Sunday.

1265
00:58:01,080 --> 00:58:05,600
Speaker 2: Betting the Browns, betting the Raiders, betting betting the Giants,

1266
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:11,640
Speaker 2: betting the Cardinals, betting the Steelers, betting the Browns.

1267
00:58:11,840 --> 00:58:13,960
Speaker 1: So hopefully we'll get some intel that will make us

1268
00:58:14,800 --> 00:58:16,720
Speaker 1: want to believe in some teams that we actually think

1269
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,480
Speaker 1: have a chance to win those games on the following weekend.

1270
00:58:21,520 --> 00:58:24,040
Speaker 2: All right, this has been Sharper Square, part of the

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00:58:24,120 --> 00:58:25,640
Speaker 2: Volume podcast network.

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Speaker 1: We will be back on Sharper Square YouTube and on

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00:58:29,920 --> 00:58:33,880
Speaker 1: the audio platforms on Thursday. We'll have our head to

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00:58:33,960 --> 00:58:36,160
Speaker 1: head battle. We'll do our brass Balls bet of the week,

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Speaker 3: You Hi, We're gonna be all day. We're gonna be all.

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Speaker 5: I like that kind of bottle.

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Speaker 2: I could got a party her.

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Speaker 3: Yeah,