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Speaker 1: guests in here my guy Man, Yeah, Mayo, Yeah, welcome, Welcome.
Speaker 1: What's up? Brother? I'm good man. Hey. You've been killing
Speaker 1: it lately. Bro. I'm trying, man, I'm having a resurgence. Man.
Speaker 1: I love podcast, Love the podcast. I love what you're
Speaker 1: doing with Jim, Thank you, thank you, and I love
Speaker 1: the just the vibes of the getting fit give me,
Speaker 1: give me. It's you and me, Jim, Dave. Yeah, we all,
Speaker 1: we all, you know, coming together, working out, you know,
Speaker 1: doing music, you know, motivating inspiring people. How many people
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Speaker 1: is like I didn't. I always worked out on and
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Speaker 1: more than like six seven months at a time. Though,
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Speaker 1: you know, you know two months, you know, I'm going
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Speaker 1: Motivating a lot of people. Man, I think too, like,
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Speaker 1: the average person might feel like they need to get
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Speaker 1: when you're working out alone, you might you ain't going
Speaker 1: as hard as you go. If someone's like, no, two more,
Speaker 1: three more, Hell no, you cheat yourself a lot, yourself
Speaker 1: a lot. I know I do one hundred percent. I
Speaker 1: think everybody does. The fact I'm good, I'm good. I
Speaker 1: think I got did something something, something better than sweat. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you don't go home, yeah exactly. Are you doing anything
Speaker 1: on the diet, like are you are you trying to
Speaker 1: eat right? Going and off with that though, that's the
Speaker 1: toughest part. Yeah, yeah, yeah, that is. I just did
Speaker 1: like a seven day liquid diet. Like I was just
Speaker 1: doing protein protein shakes and protein balls for seven days.
Speaker 1: I just did that. That was it. Yeah, I wasn't
Speaker 1: touching nothing else. But the thing is is like balance.
Speaker 1: The problem with that is that, like I lost like
Speaker 1: seven pounds and then you know, you get right back
Speaker 1: into eating the same stuff that you was. You know
Speaker 1: that you ain't eating seven days, so you kind of
Speaker 1: put it back home. But excuse me. I like to
Speaker 1: do a lot of cardio. I like to have my
Speaker 1: heart pumping. I like to bust that sweat because I
Speaker 1: feel like cardio is just important than anything else. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you know, you never know, we might have to be
Speaker 1: wrestling some niggas every now and then. You know what
Speaker 1: I mean, You never know this has happened. It's happened.
Speaker 1: This has happened. Of course. Speaking of that, you are, uh,
Speaker 1: in my opinion, probably the most infamous slapper and hip.
Speaker 1: When I think of just rappers getting slapped or checked,
Speaker 1: I just think of eight hand to guy. How would
Speaker 1: we rate the Will Smith slap? That was a nice slap,
Speaker 1: that was, But I looked at it close. I don't
Speaker 1: think his palm connected. Almost think he held back a bit.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he held back, But what happened
Speaker 1: was that he went up, So he went up high
Speaker 1: right and Chris rock rolled with it. So I think
Speaker 1: when he when he when he was moving his face
Speaker 1: like that, I feel like he missed the palm because
Speaker 1: I saw it the slow motion, and I felt like
Speaker 1: his fingers caught him. I don't know if he caught
Speaker 1: the whole right, because if you I mean, it probably
Speaker 1: would have been because Chris took it like a cham
Speaker 1: but he, like you said, I don't think he got
Speaker 1: because if you get hit with the palm, Paul, is
Speaker 1: that PAULM That paem is different. It's different. The poem
Speaker 1: is different. When you catch him with that with Paul
Speaker 1: and father his daughters is different. It's different, all right, Paulma,
Speaker 1: father his daughters. It is different. It's so I don't
Speaker 1: know if he caught that. I think he caught just
Speaker 1: I looked at the the slow motion of it when
Speaker 1: you h I mean, obviously, when I first saw it,
Speaker 1: I was like, because I saw a card of live
Speaker 1: I was like, I thought that, yeah, I thought it
Speaker 1: was a bit or something. It was fake me too.
Speaker 1: But then but then the second time he started screaming
Speaker 1: and you could hear his voice cracking. I'm like, oh, no,
Speaker 1: that's That's when i knew it was real because he
Speaker 1: smacked him and then he talked down to him, right,
Speaker 1: So he smacked him, walked away. The smack looked fake
Speaker 1: right right, because I'm looking at it on Instagram. When
Speaker 1: he got when when the footage came out of what
Speaker 1: he said afterwards, is when we really knew it was real.
Speaker 1: When he was like, keep my wife's name out your mouth. No,
Speaker 1: we've all heard people, We've all screamed like that at somebody. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's when you tie it. Yeah, that's when you tie it.
Speaker 1: That's when you fed up. Enough's enough, enough's enough. That's
Speaker 1: when you fed up with a lot of shit. And
Speaker 1: it's just like man like ty Do, tired of playing
Speaker 1: with you niggas. Keep my fucking wife's name out your
Speaker 1: fucking mouth. Period. It's almost like Chris Rock just wore
Speaker 1: everybody is all the memes from the last few years,
Speaker 1: all the people making jokes. It's like Chris Chris Walk,
Speaker 1: he just held the blunt of all of that. I
Speaker 1: love Chris Rock. Chris Rock. Actually, one of my favorites
Speaker 1: as fall as comedians is concerned. He's like in my
Speaker 1: top two actually to me and Tim and Chappelle's stand
Speaker 1: up wise stand up, I'm talking about strictly stand up.
Speaker 1: He's like one of my He's like one of my
Speaker 1: He's one of them right for me. So, Man, I
Speaker 1: don't know if it was. I don't know if it
Speaker 1: was a lot of stuff that Will's been dealing with,
Speaker 1: because listen, let's keep it real man, And like life,
Speaker 1: people got this thing about celebrities where they feel like
Speaker 1: celebrities aren't as human as other people and people dealing
Speaker 1: with shit. Man, everyday life ship ups downs, you know,
Speaker 1: on your quest to chase after your dreams and on
Speaker 1: your quest to conquer conquer other other other goals. There's
Speaker 1: a lot that you're dealing with, man, Family issues, you know,
Speaker 1: expectation issues you know of other people. So it's a lot.
Speaker 1: Then you gotta deal with. We living in a time
Speaker 1: where we didn't. We didn't used to hear the opinions
Speaker 1: of everybody, right, social media made everybody accessible to it.
Speaker 1: It's like you can't turn the noise off. Soon as
Speaker 1: you open your phone. There's an opinion about you soon
Speaker 1: as you and then and the phone has the phone
Speaker 1: is is yours, your everything, so to speak, because this
Speaker 1: is where you find your media, This is where you
Speaker 1: find your news, This is where you find everything. You
Speaker 1: want to You want to see what the weather is like,
Speaker 1: you gotta check your phone, check your phone. Most people
Speaker 1: don't have watches anymore. They got they got an Apple Watch. Right.
Speaker 1: Nobody's even worried about what the what the watch say? Right? Right?
Speaker 1: So soon as you open up your phone, there's an
Speaker 1: opinion about you, there's a statement, there's a thought, there's
Speaker 1: a there's a a criticism, there's a joke, there's whatever.
Speaker 1: And people, all the celebrities or what have you, on
Speaker 1: any level, have to deal with that. And it's like
Speaker 1: I have to have a thick faced, black heart mentality
Speaker 1: and not allow certain things to ruffle my feathers. But
Speaker 1: sometimes at some point people become human and they're not
Speaker 1: in the mood to play, you understand. So I'm not
Speaker 1: one of them niggas that feel like, oh, you shouldn't
Speaker 1: had no problems with violence. I don't believe in that.
Speaker 1: I believe that there's a time and a place for everything,
Speaker 1: and I believe I mean, we're in like in a
Speaker 1: country that was built on violence. That don't preach to
Speaker 1: us now about violence when this is the whole culture
Speaker 1: of this country in its inception and what went on
Speaker 1: here for thousands hundreds of years, not thousands hundreds of years.
Speaker 1: And I don't I don't think like I'm not here,
Speaker 1: like say, oh he wont for handling his business. Maybe
Speaker 1: he should have maybe should have been there or whatever.
Speaker 1: But when you're in your mold, you in your mold,
Speaker 1: and how you feel is how you feel as a man. Now,
Speaker 1: as a man, you feel disrespected, and however you want
Speaker 1: to deal with that disrespect is solely up to you, period,
Speaker 1: point blank. Yeah. I would say, like, you can't tell
Speaker 1: people how to react to this fact. That's the thing.
Speaker 1: People got a problem with that nigga say some some
Speaker 1: slick shit to you and then you go crazy on him,
Speaker 1: and then he'll say, it ain't that serious, nigga. It's
Speaker 1: not that serious to you, right, but it's optimum serious
Speaker 1: to me. This is maximum serious to me. What you
Speaker 1: care about is different than what I care about. Your lines,
Speaker 1: your principles, your code is different than mins. So don't
Speaker 1: tell me it's not that the reason, oh you had
Speaker 1: to do all that fucking right. So that's the thing
Speaker 1: that's the difference, and you know that's that's people. I mean,
Speaker 1: you know, the somebody will disrespect you and then tell
Speaker 1: you you shouldn't have handled them. You meet disrespect with
Speaker 1: what with disrespect? Right? I mean at least I mean obviously,
Speaker 1: like you said, I guess it's a subjective thing. Depends
Speaker 1: on some people can take shit a certain way or
Speaker 1: or or be the bigger person. But at the same
Speaker 1: time the same time, and then here's the thing on
Speaker 1: the flip side to that is people say it was
Speaker 1: the joke, that's serious. I understood the joke. Now it's like, okay,
Speaker 1: here's the thing. If Jada is really having a what
Speaker 1: they say she has a condition, she's not. She's not
Speaker 1: losing her hair because she wants to cut it off.
Speaker 1: She cuts it off because she has to or whatever
Speaker 1: it is. I would saying, you don't make fun of
Speaker 1: people for things that can't change. Right, So that's something
Speaker 1: you know that's a little bit more deeper because that's
Speaker 1: a medical condition. And then you know, you could tell
Speaker 1: like so many people like like I just listened to
Speaker 1: comments like oh well he was he was laughing when
Speaker 1: it happened Yo, Laughing sometimes is a is a defense mechanism.
Speaker 1: You ever seen somebody so mad that they laugh like
Speaker 1: it's scary? Scar Like that's different. Sometimes you you you
Speaker 1: you don't know what, nothing else to do but laugh
Speaker 1: in in in the most disrespectful situations. The nigga just
Speaker 1: like we're but in your in your mind and in
Speaker 1: your heart, you're saying, I'm gonna burn this nigga, Like
Speaker 1: that's what you're saying. Like you know, it's crazy. I've
Speaker 1: heard you talk about why slapping someone it's so much
Speaker 1: more It gets your point across so much more than
Speaker 1: if you were to punch somebody. I'm gonna tell you that.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna tell you the really ship. Ever, when I
Speaker 1: was in prison, my man explained this to me, and
Speaker 1: I told the story before he said, yo, because you know,
Speaker 1: I wasn't. I was locked up in the time and
Speaker 1: we was you know, a lot of cuttings, and we
Speaker 1: was cut We would be cutting, cutting each other and
Speaker 1: ship like that, right, And I was getting I was
Speaker 1: trying to go home and I was trying to get
Speaker 1: away from some of the ship I was involved in.
Speaker 1: So a friend of mine told me some shit about
Speaker 1: slapping niggas. He really explained this to me like it
Speaker 1: was an art. He said, Yo, man, you can smack niggas.
Speaker 1: I said, Yo, when you smack a nigga, he gonna
Speaker 1: take that disrespect. He's gonna go crazy. He said. Nah,
Speaker 1: he said, when you smack a nigga, why you right
Speaker 1: when you talking to him, the average nigga is going
Speaker 1: to go into shock. You gotta understand. Fuck with all
Speaker 1: these rappers is talking about the average man is not
Speaker 1: as valient as they acting like I'm talking about don't
Speaker 1: you ain't got time to go get your gun and
Speaker 1: all this other shit. I ain't talking about that, And
Speaker 1: I'm talking about being straight up violent, fighting, cutting, stabbing
Speaker 1: right here on the spot. Everybody not with that, all right,
Speaker 1: So if you smack a man, the average person, the
Speaker 1: average man is going to go into like a shock,
Speaker 1: like oh my god, like his mind is gonna be frazzled.
Speaker 1: He just told me because he felt like the audacity
Speaker 1: of you to smack him is so shocking. At the
Speaker 1: same time, it's fearful because he's saying, damn this nigga,
Speaker 1: smack the shit out me. And and that's what That's
Speaker 1: what Chris told you exact same exact thing. He explained
Speaker 1: this to me many years a goal and the same
Speaker 1: thing that Chris Rock displayed is what he what he
Speaker 1: was talking about, what he talked about. And it really works.
Speaker 1: I've tried it. If Will would have went on stage
Speaker 1: and punched him, totally different reaction, even if he would
Speaker 1: have took the punch. Sometimes sometimes a punch is different, right,
Speaker 1: A smack is more audacious, it's more disrespectful. It's a
Speaker 1: psych it's psychological. Chris said, oh shit, wow, Will Smith
Speaker 1: just smacked the shit out of me, And this is
Speaker 1: what you're talking about. And I tried it. I tried
Speaker 1: it many times after that, and it works. I'm telling you,
Speaker 1: it really works. Now, that's not to say that that
Speaker 1: works for every man. You go like this to some
Speaker 1: niggas and it's and they with it. You understand. So
Speaker 1: it doesn't It doesn't work with every man. But what
Speaker 1: did I say earlier? The average man is not as
Speaker 1: violent as he think he is. That a walking person,
Speaker 1: it's not a violent person. I don't think everybody's is
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Speaker 1: mean earlier on like like I feel like when you
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Speaker 1: Kim and obviously when you first got on Atlantic the
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Speaker 1: altercations yea before Instagram, yeah, right, when we would just
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Speaker 1: those altercations ever result in you, like maybe ten fifteen
Speaker 1: years later, burying the hatchet with any of those because
Speaker 1: I think, like, because you had a situation with Berg
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Speaker 1: were trying to get to a place where we can
Speaker 1: be better than before. Right, So I can't like sit
Speaker 1: up here and act like I'm I'm this actively involving
Speaker 1: myself with some bullshit. You've grown so like the same
Speaker 1: guy you were back there, right, It's like it don't
Speaker 1: it doesn't even make no sense. So anything that I
Speaker 1: went through before, so you got understand, like a lot
Speaker 1: of the things that I had been involved with in
Speaker 1: the way I was moving, it was because I didn't
Speaker 1: know any different. I didn't know any better, Like you
Speaker 1: understand where my education is coming from. Only been in
Speaker 1: two places in my whole life. I've been in the
Speaker 1: street and I've been in prison. That's the only two
Speaker 1: places I've ever been in my life. That's it. I
Speaker 1: had never been in a in a in a in
Speaker 1: a corporate world, had never worked in the corporate America.
Speaker 1: I never had a job. Anything that I had done,
Speaker 1: you know, in my life involve the streets and involved
Speaker 1: when I went to prison. Then you understand what that is.
Speaker 1: So what does that teach you? Just two places that
Speaker 1: teach you how to be violent and teach you how
Speaker 1: to survive. So it doesn't teach you how to handle
Speaker 1: your problems diplomatically civilly. Right, So now when I get
Speaker 1: in the industry and I'm saying, all right, cool, your
Speaker 1: niggas is out here idolizing these guys over here, I'm
Speaker 1: the real thing. So when I'm getting into things, my
Speaker 1: only action, my own reaction is to deal with it
Speaker 1: the way I only know how to. And then people
Speaker 1: looking at me like you bugging right, And I'm saying,
Speaker 1: y'all don't want the real thing. They're like, nah, you
Speaker 1: could look like it and act like it, we don't
Speaker 1: really want you to do it, though, And it took
Speaker 1: me a while to kind of really get that because
Speaker 1: for me, it was it was it was staying in
Speaker 1: a lot of relationships and it was kind of like
Speaker 1: pushing opportunities away from me. That you definitely had a
Speaker 1: stigma early on. But I've known you for a long time,
Speaker 1: so I've always and anybody know me, no, I've been
Speaker 1: always been solid, always be solid, Always always been solid,
Speaker 1: always been humble, always been you know, confident, but always
Speaker 1: been who I was, you know, and always been solid. Right,
Speaker 1: But you've always had your principles, You've always had right,
Speaker 1: you know, look right, I think people know you don't
Speaker 1: fuck around with main like and that's that's not a
Speaker 1: bad thing, but you know, right, I definitely think that
Speaker 1: you you definitely had a stigma, right, But if you
Speaker 1: ain't but if you don't, if you don't hit the
Speaker 1: top automatically and you got to fight for everything that
Speaker 1: you gotta get, then you then when you when you
Speaker 1: got that stigma chases the money away. Understand So if
Speaker 1: you if you're a nigga that hit straight to the top,
Speaker 1: and it gotta deal with you. See, they ain't have
Speaker 1: to deal with me. But as soon as I ain't
Speaker 1: have a record, then it was like, okay, ship, we
Speaker 1: don't have to deal with him. He's not that big,
Speaker 1: he's not that hot. So that's the difference. So then
Speaker 1: you you actually running the money away. Because when you're
Speaker 1: not hot and you're not on fire and you're not
Speaker 1: the rapper at the time, then your relationships in your
Speaker 1: in who you are help you through that time, right
Speaker 1: you understand, like just being who you are and just
Speaker 1: having certain relationships can still keep you afloat until you
Speaker 1: until you find your next situation, whether that's another record
Speaker 1: or another deal whatever, you understand a time, Yeah, that's fair.
Speaker 1: I think, like you said, like I think, if somebody
Speaker 1: is scorching, but people are willing to look past a
Speaker 1: lot of what ever, I mean, a young boy, like
Speaker 1: if you if young boy wasn't doing the numbers. People
Speaker 1: be like this guy is crazy, like what are we
Speaker 1: doing with this guy? But he's stern ship up with
Speaker 1: the world. Like when you when you're on fire, you
Speaker 1: could do whatever you want to do. When you gotta
Speaker 1: when you got a claw and you gotta climb, and
Speaker 1: you gotta scramble for everything that you got or everything
Speaker 1: that you're trying to get, and they making you work
Speaker 1: for it because I ain't. They never made it easy
Speaker 1: for me. I had to work for everything. I know, man,
Speaker 1: you understand. So people you're doing your nigga like ship
Speaker 1: it's crazy too, because like your first album to me
Speaker 1: is still one of the more slept on albums. I
Speaker 1: know you did a sequel, but that first project, the
Speaker 1: way you like put together your story from the first record,
Speaker 1: I see. I see people get credit for having that style,
Speaker 1: the concept of the project, making it like a movie
Speaker 1: and all that, and I say, like, I did that
Speaker 1: and falllessly and nobody really talks about it. But the
Speaker 1: people who ex oristed with me such a good album,
Speaker 1: but they probably great album, and the way we did
Speaker 1: it it was like a movie. It told my life
Speaker 1: story from the beginning, all the time, and because I
Speaker 1: was a fan of actually when people really made albums
Speaker 1: that was concepts. In the nineties, there was a lot
Speaker 1: of conceptual albums, like people were put together albums that
Speaker 1: felt like movies. So I was a fan of that.
Speaker 1: Now I wanted to tell my story was very important
Speaker 1: to me, right, So I don't get the credit and
Speaker 1: I watched people give the same credit to other people
Speaker 1: for doing that. But you know what, I don't get
Speaker 1: stuck there. I don't get stuck in the fact that
Speaker 1: I'm underrated. Right, you understand. I don't get stuck there
Speaker 1: because when you when you're stuck on what the problem is,
Speaker 1: you're not looking for the solutions. So fuck the fact
Speaker 1: that that people that people don't get it. Let's just
Speaker 1: keep working, Let's just keep let's just keep pushing, let's
Speaker 1: keep opening the doors, let's keep doing things and slowly
Speaker 1: and short, slowly, but surely people will see what it is.
Speaker 1: And that's what's happening. Now we have the podcast, we
Speaker 1: got the you know, the music coming, so it's it's
Speaker 1: a lot of shit happening now that wasn't happening for
Speaker 1: me two years ago. Was my band Dan on that
Speaker 1: album or it was on a tape, right, that was
Speaker 1: on a mixtape that is that on Spotify? It might
Speaker 1: be I feel like it's something like that. I feel
Speaker 1: like every time I hear it, I gotta go on
Speaker 1: that Pith might be yeah, because it was that wasn't
Speaker 1: around it. That record was crazy on that right, talk
Speaker 1: about the Lobby boys ship, because obviously you and Jim
Speaker 1: come together doing a collas. He's he's on fire, he's
Speaker 1: in his bag. I feel like he's rapping at the
Speaker 1: highest level he's ever wrapped that and and that's the thing.
Speaker 1: And then and he helped me, right, because you gotta
Speaker 1: think musically he had more. He had He had had
Speaker 1: a lot more going on than I did, even much
Speaker 1: more active. It's been way more active. And it wasn't
Speaker 1: that I wasn't working. It was the fact that I
Speaker 1: felt like I was. I kept being in situations that
Speaker 1: that was not allowing me to touch the people. Meaning
Speaker 1: I was dropping projects, you know, And and because I
Speaker 1: didn't have the the the push, or the right structure
Speaker 1: or the right situation, it wasn't getting there. People will
Speaker 1: stay like when you wanna drop something like I just
Speaker 1: dropped something three months, I'll just drop something two three
Speaker 1: months ago, like you mean, oh, I ain't even know.
Speaker 1: And that's like that really bothers you when you put
Speaker 1: your work, you put your art, your art out here,
Speaker 1: and then you you dealing with a label, whether that's
Speaker 1: independent or you're dealing with distribution, and they put it
Speaker 1: out and yet nobody knows. So me and Jim always
Speaker 1: talked about doing the Lobby Boys projects project back when
Speaker 1: when when Puff and and Ross would say that they
Speaker 1: was the Bugatti Boys. So me and him had a
Speaker 1: record back then and we said he said on the record,
Speaker 1: he said, shout out to the Bugatti Boys. But me
Speaker 1: and Main or we the Lobby Boys. And we always
Speaker 1: tell this years ago. You know, we got to do
Speaker 1: an album together. We always talked about that. But you know,
Speaker 1: sometimes the hardest thing in the world is to get
Speaker 1: too artist to be on the same page at the
Speaker 1: same time. Of course, so you know, years go by
Speaker 1: and then you know our relationship was just just got
Speaker 1: strong and strong through the years. But you know, I
Speaker 1: hit him one day. I was just in that mode
Speaker 1: after the pandemic, and I said, Yo, I'm almost ready, bro. Mentally,
Speaker 1: I just needed to get there once I got my
Speaker 1: podcast rolling, I wanted to get that, you know, solid.
Speaker 1: I wanted to have other things going on other than
Speaker 1: just music. I wanted to have other components and you
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So I got that rolling, and
Speaker 1: then I called him and said, Yo, listen, I'm ready.
Speaker 1: Let me go in the studio first though, and get
Speaker 1: some ship off my chest. And and I did like
Speaker 1: four fist six records and he came down. He was
Speaker 1: just like, oh, let's go, and we and we just
Speaker 1: started banging ship out every day and and the project
Speaker 1: is we found the formula, man, like we got it
Speaker 1: like this is I mean, this is uh, this is
Speaker 1: gonna be very serious. I guarantee you this is uh.
Speaker 1: You're gonna love it. Man. I would love to hear
Speaker 1: you like locking with like kind of like what Jim
Speaker 1: did with the heat Makers for for Capo, with like
Speaker 1: a produce, like one producer and just give me, like
Speaker 1: who the producer? Man, we gotta find him as an alchemist.
Speaker 1: Me and scram Jones would be hard like me and
Speaker 1: me and he me and what's the name for the
Speaker 1: heat Makers just talked about doing that. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear no club ship from you. I don't want
Speaker 1: to hear no radio ship from you. I want you
Speaker 1: to talk that fucking talk. But you know the thing
Speaker 1: is this though, so with the lobby boys, it's not
Speaker 1: really that's some clubs like but you gotta understand that's
Speaker 1: that's that's why I am done and you're actually at
Speaker 1: the clubs. Yeah, Like I make music for who of
Speaker 1: who I am, right, So it's like I want to
Speaker 1: be able to go out and hear like the dre
Speaker 1: I was outside niggas. So a lot of niggas that
Speaker 1: make a lot of the underground ship like that. They
Speaker 1: niggas that just their lifestyle is different. I like the
Speaker 1: women and I like the parties. I like the outside.
Speaker 1: You know, I probably don't go out as much as
Speaker 1: I used to, but that's my lifestyle. I like that,
Speaker 1: you understand. And you know you would see me places,
Speaker 1: you know, New York, La all over and you would
Speaker 1: see me outside usually an I thought with women like
Speaker 1: women man, and you know, I like that have a
Speaker 1: good time. So sometimes the music is going to reflect that,
Speaker 1: which is fine as far as like just catalog wise,
Speaker 1: like you have a bunch of catalog but like with
Speaker 1: the like when there's guys like gym or the Griselda
Speaker 1: guys dropping so often? Is that something you're interested in doing? Like,
Speaker 1: you know what year I got to put four projects.
Speaker 1: So so what happened is that now that I see
Speaker 1: the game has changed and now that this Lobby Boys
Speaker 1: shit is going to really help me, right, it's gonna
Speaker 1: help me a lot. So I'm already three projects in,
Speaker 1: so I already have my two next projects ready. So
Speaker 1: you're already so were videos and every clip's ready ready? Wow?
Speaker 1: So the clips. So once the Lobby Boys hit you
Speaker 1: heard the first record, right, lobby bys an have them
Speaker 1: like cool? So you know we we we about to
Speaker 1: drop another one. We got to drink with fab or
Speaker 1: Fave yo, we we we it's coming. Once that happens,
Speaker 1: and once we get through that cycle, I got another
Speaker 1: one waiting, and then I got another one waiting. I
Speaker 1: think that's the way. That's the only way to go.
Speaker 1: And I like it now because we can still it's
Speaker 1: fun now because we can still do you can still
Speaker 1: do all that music and still go over here and
Speaker 1: do my podcast and do other things. So that's what
Speaker 1: I like about today. It's the fact that you can
Speaker 1: have so many different components to who you are so
Speaker 1: what your brand is that you can still do it.
Speaker 1: We just did to deal with Fox Souls. I saw that. Yeah,
Speaker 1: kitchen talk exactly. And it's not about me being a rapper, right,
Speaker 1: So this is this is the things that I like,
Speaker 1: what's funny because like once, I mean, obviously Joe's always
Speaker 1: done like some sort of version of like podcasting or
Speaker 1: vlogging or whatever. But you know, I always thought guys
Speaker 1: like yourself, guys like fat Joke, guys like Nori before
Speaker 1: Noorri did drink Jink Champs, I was like, man, like,
Speaker 1: I would like to hear these guys interview people. These
Speaker 1: guys talk like You're like, there was always one of
Speaker 1: those guys on that list. So when you started your ship,
Speaker 1: I was like, fine, yeah, you know what I mean.
Speaker 1: Like it took me a minute. People were saying that
Speaker 1: to me. They was like, yo, you you need to
Speaker 1: do a podcast, and I was like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna do it. I'm gonna do it. And I
Speaker 1: was always and then look years ago it was me
Speaker 1: and Uncle Murder. We had did a deal with Revolt
Speaker 1: where we had a show. It was called Brooklyn Boys,
Speaker 1: I think, and we shot two episodes, but it never
Speaker 1: came out, and it was nothing to do with with
Speaker 1: with us. It was whatever Revolt was going through at
Speaker 1: the time. So I was just trying to find I
Speaker 1: was taking meetings, people was coming at me about doing podcasting,
Speaker 1: and I was trying to figure out what I what
Speaker 1: I wanted, what I wanted wanted it to be about it,
Speaker 1: and how I wanted to present it. And you know
Speaker 1: what it is, It's like you just wind up procrastinating
Speaker 1: when you're looking for this, and you're also looking for
Speaker 1: excuse as to why you're not you haven't started it
Speaker 1: right because you're like, I can't do it like that.
Speaker 1: They gotta be like this treasure, and you keep over
Speaker 1: overthinking and then overthinking and over analyzing that you never
Speaker 1: do shit. So I'm sitting on quarantine. I'm at home.
Speaker 1: I'm saying shit, fuck. I just went and bought me
Speaker 1: some studio equipment from my house, learned how to engineer
Speaker 1: a little bit, and started to recording myself. Then I say,
Speaker 1: you know what, We're gonna shoot the podcast in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: Were going because we always hang out in the kitchen.
Speaker 1: In the street, the first place you go is the kitchen.
Speaker 1: It's the beginning. It's the beginning of shit, right. The
Speaker 1: kitchen is where you go. And I'm like, fuck, I
Speaker 1: don't know how I'm gonna do it. We're gonna paint
Speaker 1: this wall. We're just gonna do it. And and that's
Speaker 1: what it was. We just did it. And I made
Speaker 1: all those mistakes and kept going and kept going and
Speaker 1: kept going and kept going to the greatest thing you
Speaker 1: could do is just keep going. That's what I tell everybody.
Speaker 1: The problem is is I mean, dude, obviously, I've been
Speaker 1: doing terrestial radio forever, so like I planned on doing
Speaker 1: like the bootleg Head podcast while I was also doing radio.
Speaker 1: But I'd always been like, man, I was supposed to
Speaker 1: do something with Nordy because Nordy had was working on
Speaker 1: his drink Champs network. So when I had announced I
Speaker 1: was gonna do my podcast, nor he had hit me like,
Speaker 1: don't do it yet, I'm gonna sign you to my
Speaker 1: shit ended up not working out whatever. So then I
Speaker 1: was like, all right, well, if I'm gonna launch this,
Speaker 1: I really need to make sure the first guest is
Speaker 1: fucking crazy, Like I gotta make sure. And I just
Speaker 1: would say I pecked myself out for like two years
Speaker 1: then the pandemic happened. I'm still a real I'm still
Speaker 1: a real to this day. But we can't go into
Speaker 1: the radio station. We can't do in person interviews. The
Speaker 1: IG live interviews were fucking trash. So I'm like, I
Speaker 1: just bought a recording studio. These motherfuckers can't tell me
Speaker 1: what I do at my place. And I was like,
Speaker 1: let me just get you know, Freddie Gibbs is one
Speaker 1: of my best friends. I was like, let me just
Speaker 1: get fred to come on and shoot the shit with me,
Speaker 1: and we're just gonna drop it. And the shit went
Speaker 1: crazy for one hundred and sixty episodes in into a
Speaker 1: year and a half. Dope. We got to stop the
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Speaker 1: to the interview. But like you said, man, if you
Speaker 1: really it's very much, procrastination is like the biggest right,
Speaker 1: and that's start anything anything like starting a business though,
Speaker 1: anything working out being an artist and being an artist,
Speaker 1: anything anything that that that that's creative. Anything that takes effort.
Speaker 1: Most people don't. It's easy to just get up and
Speaker 1: do do what you told. It's easy, super easy, and
Speaker 1: just follow instructions because you don't have to think. For that,
Speaker 1: there's no there's no there's much effort. There's a program.
Speaker 1: I gotta be up at seven, I gotta be out
Speaker 1: out the house by eight when I get to work.
Speaker 1: I moved these boxes here, or I stocked this shelf right,
Speaker 1: so it doesn't take it doesn't take much. And and
Speaker 1: that is most of the world, like most of the
Speaker 1: population you know, is our followers. And that's the thing.
Speaker 1: It takes much more courage to get up and do
Speaker 1: something that is more challenging, or to do something that
Speaker 1: outside of your comfort zone. That's the key to feel me.
Speaker 1: It's scary. You had to like for you, it was
Speaker 1: like trial and error. I'm sure with the pocket everything, everything,
Speaker 1: my whole career, my whole life. I came home from prison,
Speaker 1: I said, I'm gonna do this music ship. I didn't.
Speaker 1: I didn't know nothing. I didn't know I didn't really
Speaker 1: have music friends. I didn't. I didn't I didn't have
Speaker 1: real uh studio experience. I'm not coming from a music background,
Speaker 1: and and and when I came in, there was no
Speaker 1: other rappers that had done what I had done. It
Speaker 1: was no other artists that was ever that ever didn't
Speaker 1: the amount of time that I had done that that
Speaker 1: was successful. None. I'm one of one. Yeah at that time. Yeah,
Speaker 1: no other artists had had had There was no other
Speaker 1: artists that was in the music business that had done
Speaker 1: a large amount of prison time that became successful artists
Speaker 1: after prison after prison. That's real. Yeah, people had small
Speaker 1: bids a year or two here, you know, but yeah, no,
Speaker 1: that's real. Nah, No, nobody, what is your uh? You know?
Speaker 1: Because New York in general right now we're on fire,
Speaker 1: on fire, we don't fire. Shout out to the you know,
Speaker 1: the homie Nams who we've had coming up on the
Speaker 1: show since twenty seventeen. He was just with me. He
Speaker 1: it's always been an incredible artist. He got fucking bars
Speaker 1: like his personalities. Yeah, I like that guy. And he's
Speaker 1: somebody who stayed down too, because he's been doing this
Speaker 1: ship for a minute, stay down long enough to come up,
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. And like I said about
Speaker 1: this era, were living in social media. You don't know
Speaker 1: how you're gonna get it. He got hot off of
Speaker 1: just being him being himself, being funny on social media,
Speaker 1: which led people back to his music. So and the
Speaker 1: music checked out. Good music in this good music. Yeah
Speaker 1: that's real. I mean, obviously Buffalo Boys are killing the
Speaker 1: shout told definitely. We got Grizzeld on the album. Oh
Speaker 1: that's gonna be big. We got Gazeld on album like
Speaker 1: who all from Griselda like everyone, Benny Way on one
Speaker 1: joint and we got Benny on another joint. Oh that's big.
Speaker 1: That's big man, Benny jointed crazy, Benny's on fire right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I love Benny. How are you? Like? I feel like
Speaker 1: what what they've done is very much kind of like
Speaker 1: it's kind of like a renaissance of like the ship
Speaker 1: we kind of grew up loving in terms of like,
Speaker 1: you know, sound, just sonically and just I just appreciate
Speaker 1: that straight and I just appreciate like they don't like
Speaker 1: I'm like, you know, Benny's got records that like have
Speaker 1: like big artists on them, but like I don't, like
Speaker 1: I've never heard them force a radio record or like
Speaker 1: you know what I'm saying. Like it's like they're like yo,
Speaker 1: this is what we do. But like I said, it
Speaker 1: all it all goes back to your lifestyle. It all
Speaker 1: goes goes back to the type of person you are.
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying you You know you playing
Speaker 1: with pistols and getting money in the street, then that's
Speaker 1: probably what you're gonna talk about, you know. And if
Speaker 1: you know, eating pussy and having three sims was your?
Speaker 1: Was your what you was doing on Lisia, that's gonna
Speaker 1: come out to in the music, you know what I mean?
Speaker 1: Shout out to you. What's the most amount of women
Speaker 1: at once that Matos had at one time? Nothing? Six?
Speaker 1: Maybe six? So a sevensome? Technically seven? Are you the
Speaker 1: seventh or the fi that's the seventh? That's that's maybe five?
Speaker 1: Between five and I want to say five or six?
Speaker 1: So six or seven some? Definitely five, though I can't remember.
Speaker 1: I can't figure out if it was. So when you're
Speaker 1: fucking five chicks, it's a lot of work. Obviously the
Speaker 1: girl's got to be handling each other as well. There's
Speaker 1: only so much not fun all the way, I was
Speaker 1: gonna say, like it almost feels like more work than
Speaker 1: it is it. What's it worth? Is it fun? I
Speaker 1: guess is my question? Or is it kind of like
Speaker 1: a lot of that ship is like your ego, your
Speaker 1: appet site, your mind. You have to look at food
Speaker 1: and be like, yo, I want that, and your eyes
Speaker 1: is doing more than with your stomach and hole every day.
Speaker 1: So it's kind of like, you know, the thought and
Speaker 1: idea of having all these women and one time sounds amazing,
Speaker 1: sounds crazy. It's just it's just wild, you know, And
Speaker 1: so I mean it works, it made it work. It works, Yeah, happens.
Speaker 1: But all that's just you know, that's Alisia. Do you
Speaker 1: make sure the girls know each other first? Like? Are
Speaker 1: they all homies? This doesn't happen all the time. I
Speaker 1: don't want you to the one time it did happen.
Speaker 1: Give me this. Are you convinced six chicks to fuck
Speaker 1: you at the same time? Yeah? They? Uh damn. I'm
Speaker 1: trying to think it was if it was five or
Speaker 1: six you got that one chick who like wrangles them
Speaker 1: all up. Let's just say it was five, Okay, five
Speaker 1: I was I was out. I had a girl that
Speaker 1: used to like to have girls around all the time.
Speaker 1: She has some girls, and it was just one girl
Speaker 1: that we didn't know and I want to say, yeah,
Speaker 1: it was one girl that we didn't know and then
Speaker 1: we bought her around and yeah, I mean girl. See,
Speaker 1: the thing about women is that they click easier than men.
Speaker 1: This is true, you know, especially girls who are kind
Speaker 1: of like right, they friendly each other, they really buy curious, right,
Speaker 1: so they click quicker than niggas do. Like you or
Speaker 1: you need this alcohol, some hookah, some hookah. Yeah, and
Speaker 1: they clicking some booze and some hookah, woves and hooker.
Speaker 1: That's it. From there, it's off to the races. Hey,
Speaker 1: how you man over there? Yeah? I know, Oh you know,
Speaker 1: what's the name? Oh? What's your page? They following each
Speaker 1: other and then turn around and kissing. Wow, this is yeah,
Speaker 1: it's amazing is life? You know. I'm just trying to
Speaker 1: think how like physically like that would work. That's like
Speaker 1: an orgy low keys, like pretty much what it is
Speaker 1: some real pharaoh shit though my kingship. It doesn't happen
Speaker 1: every day. That's not regular. Once a lifetime. I mean
Speaker 1: like two is once a lifetime is solid. Two is regular.
Speaker 1: Two is regular for you. It's for anybody, how many
Speaker 1: I don't know about for anybody? Two is regular for
Speaker 1: any that's really regular. Girls, give me the over under
Speaker 1: on how many threesomes you think you've had in your
Speaker 1: entire life? That's what's that number? That's north of fifty,
Speaker 1: under fifty. Definitely more than fifty. You've had more than
Speaker 1: fifty threesomes? Of course, that's not that's that's pretty regular. Like,
Speaker 1: that's pretty standard, standardard standard, Maino. Shit, that's no, it's
Speaker 1: not about me. It's about you. No, it's not about me.
Speaker 1: That's not standard. You're serious. Yeah, bugget your bugget no,
Speaker 1: your bugget no, your bucket. That's a standardifty. I've had
Speaker 1: a handful of those situations. What's a handful? Less than ten? Okay,
Speaker 1: more than five, less than ten, somewhere in that range.
Speaker 1: Now you're north fifty standard, brother, Like, that's I mean,
Speaker 1: we're talking about we're talking. We're talking about uh time. Okay,
Speaker 1: so okay, okay, listen to the maut here. So if
Speaker 1: you've had more than fifty threesomes on the low end,
Speaker 1: that's a hundred chicks are we knocking on? Are you
Speaker 1: Maino Chamberlain? Damn? I can't what you know up north
Speaker 1: of a thousand chicks in your life. I won't say
Speaker 1: that would you say more or less than a thousand.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna say anything. Listen. What I'm gonna say
Speaker 1: is this. I mean, you already put a number of
Speaker 1: the threesomes. It's fifty a lot of threesomes. It's just
Speaker 1: had it happened fifty times. This is what you're saying.
Speaker 1: You have fifty different threesomes. But this that's the amount
Speaker 1: of time. That's maybe some girls might be the same,
Speaker 1: some cast members in these states consisted, right, Okay, right, okay,
Speaker 1: that's what I'm saying, right exactly. So here's the thing
Speaker 1: that's in a like fifteen how long I've been home?
Speaker 1: What year did you come home? Two thousand and three,
Speaker 1: So that's nineteen years ago. That's crazy case. So this
Speaker 1: isn't an expanse of nineteen years. So is that that many?
Speaker 1: Is that's not that much? I mean, I'm thirty five,
Speaker 1: and it's not that much. Listen, I respect it. It's
Speaker 1: not a it's not a it's not a big thing
Speaker 1: when you because because like I feel like we do
Speaker 1: kind of know mano to always have a bad chick around.
Speaker 1: Is it kind of funny to be like, when you're
Speaker 1: dealing with that many women and you are Mano, you
Speaker 1: have to be Eskimo brothers with a lot of other rappers.
Speaker 1: What does that mean? That means you guys both sucked
Speaker 1: the same chick for certainly for certain right, Like, has
Speaker 1: that ever happened where you may be like we're fucking
Speaker 1: around with because I know I have another good friend
Speaker 1: of mine who's kind of similar to you in terms
Speaker 1: of just always with a and he he's like had
Speaker 1: like beefs with NBA players like other rappers. Like, is
Speaker 1: that something that's happened with you? Yeah, especially see the
Speaker 1: rappers is a little more cool about it. It's the
Speaker 1: ball players. They really get in their feelings all the time.
Speaker 1: Married ask ball players all the time like listen, I
Speaker 1: don't not even just married anything like with a ballplayer
Speaker 1: they get they get a little bit crazy about it,
Speaker 1: like it's I heard James Harden's like that. I don't know.
Speaker 1: I never uh you never smashed one of his chicks,
Speaker 1: I mean not that, not that I know of. No,
Speaker 1: maybe so you had a did you have a problem
Speaker 1: with a specific player ever, like where it was like no,
Speaker 1: but I think a specific player had a problem with me, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's a funny guy. Give me the team of the
Speaker 1: year and give me one guess. Yeah, I can't give
Speaker 1: you the team man like, but I tell you what.
Speaker 1: I tell you what though, like I think that they
Speaker 1: was feeling some kind of way about me. Though the
Speaker 1: girl was telling me she was like, oh yo, this
Speaker 1: nigga said that. You know, you don't speak to him
Speaker 1: when you see him. I'm like, I ain't even see
Speaker 1: that nigga. Matter of fact, I don't even know what
Speaker 1: that nigga look like. Yeah, I just know the name
Speaker 1: because he's tall. It's so funny because that is such
Speaker 1: a real thing. There's like I got homies in the NBA,
Speaker 1: and they got real issues with other players, and it's
Speaker 1: always over girls that everyone fucks. It's always over and
Speaker 1: it's and a lot of times I got a homie
Speaker 1: who has problems with another player and that player is
Speaker 1: married with kids and it's mad that his side chick is.
Speaker 1: I'm like, you got bro, Like, what the fuck is? Yeah? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: that's that's that's interesting. They don't I don't know this.
Speaker 1: It's different. I never had a problem with an artist though,
Speaker 1: I never I never had a problem with rapper. That's
Speaker 1: that's I think most of the time, artists kind of
Speaker 1: know what it is, right, It's like, look but yeah, bro,
Speaker 1: like you know I'm trying to Yeah. I mean it's
Speaker 1: funny that when you when you when you when you
Speaker 1: when you might be dealing with a chicken, and you
Speaker 1: you run across the texts and you see all and
Speaker 1: you see who be texting like, oh wow this is interesting.
Speaker 1: Wow damn you got a lot of blue checks in
Speaker 1: your dms there. So this nigga be begging wow crazy.
Speaker 1: I know I probably got caught like that plenty of times.
Speaker 1: I know somebody rolled over and said, oh, let me see, man,
Speaker 1: look at this nigga nasty like mano does not give
Speaker 1: a fuck. And I love it, man, I love it.
Speaker 1: You know. Another trend that happened during the pandemic was
Speaker 1: a lot of artists. Tiger launched an only fans only. Uh,
Speaker 1: what's the ruby? Rose launched an only fan Tiger was
Speaker 1: fucking on his ship though, Yeah, uh was that something
Speaker 1: that ever came across your mind. I don't got that heart.
Speaker 1: I don't got the heart to do that. And he
Speaker 1: don't give a fuck. That's obviously when you don't listen.
Speaker 1: He publicly dated a seventeen year old or she was
Speaker 1: sixteen when they were dating. Yeah, he definitely don't give
Speaker 1: a tiger, don't care. Yeah, people like that. Though. A
Speaker 1: part of me admired him because I was like, you,
Speaker 1: you so free in your mind. Yeah, that's a different
Speaker 1: type of freedom. You gotta be free. You got a
Speaker 1: zero shame, right, that's a that's admirable. And now I'm
Speaker 1: not saying, go fucking dated seventeen year old, But I'm
Speaker 1: just saying the fact that you could be up there
Speaker 1: fucking on video on video and then and you have
Speaker 1: a single on the radio right now, and yeah, it's crazy,
Speaker 1: like you cannot Yeah, that's different. And he always be
Speaker 1: getting repolled and shit like that, and he just never
Speaker 1: ever seem like he gave give a fuck. That's no
Speaker 1: what I'm saying, Like, No, I'm just saying, right, I
Speaker 1: think that's how right this happened, whatever, I mean, whatever
Speaker 1: he was going through. What I liked about people like
Speaker 1: him is that it just never seemed phased. I like that.
Speaker 1: That's admirable. Do you feel like because I do feel
Speaker 1: like there was a in hip hop A dark age
Speaker 1: of twenty seventeen twenty eighteen is when I think shit
Speaker 1: got goofy for a while, SoundCloud, the ex the Takashi shit, Like,
Speaker 1: I just feel like it was a real goofy era
Speaker 1: of shitty rapp popping where it's more about antics, more
Speaker 1: about Instagram bullshit than it was about the actual music.
Speaker 1: I feel like we've kind of gotten through that. It's
Speaker 1: back to rapping everybody's back. It feels good. I feel
Speaker 1: like the pandemic helped a bit. But what's how difficult
Speaker 1: was it for you to kind of be who you are?
Speaker 1: And like, you know, at the time, you know, you
Speaker 1: think of like who was like screaming they were the
Speaker 1: king of New York. It was this guy with rainbow
Speaker 1: hair and not even even get into his specific situation,
Speaker 1: but like just being Mano and like watching where the
Speaker 1: music industry went and how it kind of went so
Speaker 1: far away from authenticity and kind of what you bring
Speaker 1: to the table. Was like, what was it like to
Speaker 1: do with that? But this is this is why I'm
Speaker 1: still here. It's because I was able to still be
Speaker 1: myself no matter what you understand, I was still able
Speaker 1: to withstand some of some of the things that was
Speaker 1: going on because you got to understand and know that
Speaker 1: some of the ship that be happening is just it's
Speaker 1: just it's a date on it. It's just it's just
Speaker 1: a faed It's just this despiration date on so much
Speaker 1: of this ship, right, So I kind of always know that,
Speaker 1: like this ship is not forever, you know what I
Speaker 1: mean This some of the ship is gonna is gonna
Speaker 1: gonna gonna blow by, and we were gonna we're gonna
Speaker 1: be like, oh remember what it's gonna get to that.
Speaker 1: So the only thing I could say for me and
Speaker 1: to keep me away from being frustrated or angry with
Speaker 1: the industry because not things not going away I would
Speaker 1: want them to go is just you know, like you're
Speaker 1: in a boxing ring, stay focused on what's in front
Speaker 1: of you, you understand, Stay focused on your opponent. I
Speaker 1: don't be looking at other niggas. I don't really be
Speaker 1: not in the competition with with nobody. The only person
Speaker 1: I'm in competition with is the person in the mirror,
Speaker 1: you understand. So he's the person that I gotta deal
Speaker 1: with because at the end of the day, who am
Speaker 1: I battling? I got to battle my own demons in
Speaker 1: the dog at night, I gotta battle. It's me versus me,
Speaker 1: you understand like it ain't nothing else. I'm my only opponent.
Speaker 1: I just told that to my boy. I was telling
Speaker 1: him like, because you know, I have a friend who
Speaker 1: always just bringing up what other people in his similar
Speaker 1: space are doing. Can't do that. That'll that'll fuck you around,
Speaker 1: it'll fuck you up. And I think when I was
Speaker 1: super young, I would really like feel like I should
Speaker 1: have I should be doing, like I'm better than what
Speaker 1: this guy's doing in my you know, radio ship. But
Speaker 1: like you know, like once you start, once you get
Speaker 1: rid of that mentality, right, that a way, yo, it
Speaker 1: literally will change your life, right if you just worry
Speaker 1: about what is it? Like you said, well you can control, right,
Speaker 1: I control what I can control and everything else. What's
Speaker 1: going on over here with this person they got shit
Speaker 1: to do with me. Good for them. I'm happy for him.
Speaker 1: I walking the club and the new hot niggas dead
Speaker 1: and they're like, oh my god, man, I'm like, all right, cool,
Speaker 1: fuck it. I'm right here too though, in that pocket watch.
Speaker 1: And should I have you fucked up? Man? You worried
Speaker 1: about what other niggas is doing, how much other niggas
Speaker 1: is making. When niggas came out because I would. I
Speaker 1: had to. We all full victims some of these things sometimes, right, Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's not. It's about staying there, right, because I had
Speaker 1: like and this nigga came after me. He used to
Speaker 1: just man, this nigga used to want to be next
Speaker 1: to me. Now he up here. You understand how to
Speaker 1: fuck this nigga get past me. I had to get
Speaker 1: out of that because the more I thought about that,
Speaker 1: the more frustrated I became. And when I became frustrated,
Speaker 1: I became insecure. So when you're insecure, you can't you
Speaker 1: can't move, you can't you can't produce. You don't know
Speaker 1: what to do. You don't know how to make music.
Speaker 1: You don't know how to talk, you don't know how
Speaker 1: to speak, you don't know how you're not confident. Once
Speaker 1: you lose your confidence, you you lose everything like this
Speaker 1: not even like you just a fucked up nigga. So
Speaker 1: so you can't be caught up in the ship that
Speaker 1: you can't control. I'm in my car, right, and if
Speaker 1: I'm in my car, I'm in my lane. Right. I
Speaker 1: can't be driving my car and looking in the lane
Speaker 1: next to me because what I'm gonna crash. That's some
Speaker 1: real shit. I think it's almost like some grown man
Speaker 1: shit though. To get there, you gotta fuck niggas stink.
Speaker 1: My odds is on the road like shit. Man. Sometimes
Speaker 1: I think, damn, I wish I had my where my
Speaker 1: head is right now ten years ago. Yeah, but you
Speaker 1: know what, we developed the way we listen. But here's
Speaker 1: the thing. If you sometimes you know you gotta go
Speaker 1: through that to get to where you're at today. So
Speaker 1: it's like, that's right, It's okay, it's the journey. And
Speaker 1: it's no better time than the present time. So you
Speaker 1: know your car's moving though, right it may not be
Speaker 1: going as fast as this one of that one, but
Speaker 1: it's moving. And in life, were always in the same place, right,
Speaker 1: We're always in the same place. This is the place
Speaker 1: that we're in In life, we always in the middle.
Speaker 1: And what I mean by that is this, there's always
Speaker 1: people that's doing better than you, and always people that
Speaker 1: you're doing better than. Always it's like you always, no
Speaker 1: matter what, no matter what. Yeah, you gotta one hundred million,
Speaker 1: is somebody with two hundred million, you understand, you got
Speaker 1: three hundred million, it's somebody with a billion. So I mean,
Speaker 1: what's up, yo, We got to stop the interview real quick.
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Speaker 1: interview for you kind of being like a personality. I mean,
Speaker 1: you've always been a personality. I've always loved when you
Speaker 1: would go on your rants from the car on Instagram.
Speaker 1: I mean, but just in terms of like really being
Speaker 1: you know, you have a podcast as successful. Now, how
Speaker 1: different does that have you approaching the entertainment industry because
Speaker 1: you're kind of on the other side of it as
Speaker 1: well as still doing the artist shit. But I feel
Speaker 1: like now like there might be people who have never
Speaker 1: heard your music who might come up to you now
Speaker 1: and be like, I love what I love your this
Speaker 1: episode of your podcast. It's a different thing. That's the
Speaker 1: great thing about the time when is that you don't
Speaker 1: it's not just about the music, It's about a brand.
Speaker 1: So now that you know, I don't have to just
Speaker 1: focus solely on music. I can focus on all the
Speaker 1: other things that I got going on. Right, So we
Speaker 1: talked about fit lit, we talked about lobby boys, we
Speaker 1: talked about you know, kitchen talk. These are different components.
Speaker 1: You know, it's so many things that we can do
Speaker 1: at the same time. You know, it's different components. Right.
Speaker 1: So the fact that I could, you know, I could,
Speaker 1: I could come out here, you know, I could just
Speaker 1: you know, jump on this show with Macy yesterday and
Speaker 1: performing live in front of NBC and turn around and
Speaker 1: promote my podcast the next day. You did the record
Speaker 1: with Macy yesterday, Well, we performed it yesterday on the
Speaker 1: show that she got, Well, we performed the live on NBC.
Speaker 1: The biggest look I've asked, I saw you never never
Speaker 1: did nothing like that, you know, on on on that
Speaker 1: type of stage. So that was a big look for me.
Speaker 1: You know, the fact that I could do that and
Speaker 1: still turn around and push the podcast, go to the gym,
Speaker 1: do that, do all the other ship I got going on.
Speaker 1: This is the greatest time. Man, It's the best we're
Speaker 1: talking about. I Mean, look, we think of someone like
Speaker 1: your biggest records t Pain. What is Pain doing everything
Speaker 1: he wants to do? This is what I'm saying. This
Speaker 1: motherfucker's hosting television shows. There you go, his Twitch is popping,
Speaker 1: his podcast, and he's still dropping crazy music. It's about
Speaker 1: a brand. You don't got to ever leave the music.
Speaker 1: It's not sports. I just like the fact that the
Speaker 1: stigma of like artists doing other ship right, because you know,
Speaker 1: we used to think like, well, if you have a podcast,
Speaker 1: you're washed, or if you're doing reality TV. But I
Speaker 1: feel like nowadays, this is what we're doing, right. I
Speaker 1: think people kind of got out of that. That's a
Speaker 1: good hundred. I think that thought about old well, this
Speaker 1: nigga washed up. That's why he's doing that old music.
Speaker 1: And you still got ignorant, ignorant people that are but
Speaker 1: the general publish people are trying to recoup still record
Speaker 1: deals that they signed. The general the general public, I
Speaker 1: think that they kind of understand that so to speak,
Speaker 1: because we we've watched so many artists do so many
Speaker 1: different things. You know, we watch how Mary is on
Speaker 1: a hit television show and then the super music and
Speaker 1: then put an album out right and still doing she
Speaker 1: did the Super Bowl so you can do different various
Speaker 1: different things. And and here's the thing. The whole uh,
Speaker 1: the whole conversation about who's relevant and what's relevant is
Speaker 1: being changed every day. You understand, like, you know, when
Speaker 1: you got artists like a Jim Jones still was able
Speaker 1: to push out a hit. Right now, you understand music
Speaker 1: is relative, man, you know what I mean. So it's like, say, who,
Speaker 1: this guy's not relevant, Well, he's relevant to the people
Speaker 1: that love him. Yeah, his fan base. There you go.
Speaker 1: Now that might be it might not be the little
Speaker 1: baby fan base, but that's cool. That's okay, that's ok
Speaker 1: You know what, well, you know what too is different
Speaker 1: now is your independence is now. I feel like more
Speaker 1: artists understand how important it is. That's where maybe, like
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen years ago, you cool off. You're still
Speaker 1: tied to this shitty major label and they're not gonna
Speaker 1: let you drop whenever you want, as opposed to now.
Speaker 1: If you're if you're Jim and you you yeah, Jim
Speaker 1: has been to me relevant for I never stopped being relevant,
Speaker 1: and I feel like he's put out some of the
Speaker 1: best projects of the last I mean the last few years.
Speaker 1: I mean, we could you know, uh. And I feel
Speaker 1: like if maybe Jim was on like fucking Deft Jam
Speaker 1: or something or Atlantic or something like, it might have
Speaker 1: been like you knows, he's in a situation where I
Speaker 1: want to go do a full project with Harry Froud
Speaker 1: and the people who are gonna appreciate it are gonna
Speaker 1: appreciate right. And that's and that's what I had to
Speaker 1: get into my mind, understanding that appeal to the people
Speaker 1: that love you. Yeah, now through social media, that's gonna
Speaker 1: help you gain new fans every day. For it may
Speaker 1: not be from the music, maybe from the way I
Speaker 1: talk or the podcast. So it's it's a great time
Speaker 1: and it's just poling from all these from all different areas. Man.
Speaker 1: And then you got you know, Jim just put out
Speaker 1: We Set the trans which is on radio. What I'm
Speaker 1: talking about, how this late in the game, still still
Speaker 1: putting out hits bad Joe, fad Joe. And trust me,
Speaker 1: I'm about to be about to hurt something everybody like
Speaker 1: Like like I was telling you, Man, I just would
Speaker 1: love to see you run up that. Just run it up, man, Matt.
Speaker 1: When you say you got three projects ready to go,
Speaker 1: it's good to hear. No we're gonna run up. I
Speaker 1: had to really understand that. But I had to really regroup.
Speaker 1: Sometimes you gotta sometimes you gotta reset, man, You gotta
Speaker 1: reset in order to to really compete the way you
Speaker 1: want to observe observed, right, and then you gotta get busy.
Speaker 1: So now I'm now I'm in it. I'm in a
Speaker 1: I'm in a different space, and people can see the difference.
Speaker 1: You're in to get busy space? Who for you? Like?
Speaker 1: Who are the younger artists that you actually listen to
Speaker 1: and appreciate? Man? All of them? Like? Who's like if
Speaker 1: I checked your Spotify, who's the most? Who you've bumping
Speaker 1: the most? That's that's not you know of your era
Speaker 1: or later? I mean, ship man, what's my era? Right?
Speaker 1: What would you consider my era is people who've come out?
Speaker 1: How about in the last five I've been bumping dirt
Speaker 1: all week, Dirk, Okay, right, but dirt been around, has
Speaker 1: been around it. You know what I'm saying. People forget
Speaker 1: dirt been around a minute. That's what I'm saying. I've
Speaker 1: been bumping dirt. I love Baby, No, Baby's amazing. All
Speaker 1: of the young niggas from New York definitely all the
Speaker 1: Young Niggas from New York. FAO is on fire. Yeah
Speaker 1: five yeos is my guys, like this is that's really
Speaker 1: uh my god, I think it. It's it's crazy, but
Speaker 1: it's also dope. That like it really took that Kanye
Speaker 1: verse people to realize how dope of a rapper he was,
Speaker 1: because I feel like people who knew knew like people
Speaker 1: a long time that he really could rap right And
Speaker 1: I don't And and I tell him that, like he
Speaker 1: don't know. He don't sound like nobody else. He's crazy.
Speaker 1: He has his own style and and it's really dope,
Speaker 1: and people really gonna see The record that we have
Speaker 1: with him is a smash. Yeah, that's a smash. This
Speaker 1: is what i'milling. Listen to what I'm telling you on
Speaker 1: your album on the Lobby Boys project, it's a smash.
Speaker 1: Listen to what I'm telling video done, record is done
Speaker 1: is coming? How are you guys dropping the Lobby Boy's project.
Speaker 1: So we did a deal with one off PM. One
Speaker 1: r PM they distributed a couple of my boys. So
Speaker 1: we did a deal with them, and we got a
Speaker 1: lot of dope features on them. Man, Like I told you,
Speaker 1: we got a five year old on there, fab On there, Grisel,
Speaker 1: dere uh young and may on I'm dropping on April
Speaker 1: was coming soon and yeah and then and then on
Speaker 1: April twenty knfe is the day we got Yeah, why
Speaker 1: did you never go anywhere like like like really like
Speaker 1: dive into acting because I feel like you could kill it.
Speaker 1: I mean people ask me that I do do roles
Speaker 1: when I when I catch it right, So whenever I
Speaker 1: catch a role, I come, I come to l A.
Speaker 1: I feel like you never really dived in. I didn't
Speaker 1: because when I started to see that, to me, it
Speaker 1: was a more of a struggle than the music. I
Speaker 1: mean a lot of a lot of these young a
Speaker 1: lot of these young actors are not really getting paid. Well.
Speaker 1: You got a leg up on them though, because your
Speaker 1: may now don't mean nothing in it in that world.
Speaker 1: So that's the thing people think that it does. It does.
Speaker 1: There's got to be a recurring wrong power get you.
Speaker 1: It gets you, It gets you in the door. But
Speaker 1: it's not a lot. It's not. When I saw that,
Speaker 1: I came out to LA and I had some active
Speaker 1: friends and I've seen that they it really wasn't what
Speaker 1: I thought it was. It made me feel like I
Speaker 1: didn't want to pursue it as hard. So what I
Speaker 1: want to always be involved with the producing things. So
Speaker 1: if I'm going to act in it, you know, hopefully
Speaker 1: I'm involved with it with the creative because that's where
Speaker 1: the meat and potatoes is at. So I got things
Speaker 1: that I created myself that I'm trying to find homes
Speaker 1: for that I'm trying to find places to put out.
Speaker 1: So the thing about just chasing that, because that's a
Speaker 1: whole different grind. You know, you might go on fucking
Speaker 1: one hundred, you know, this is what I'm saying, And
Speaker 1: it takes a lot of times. So when you shoot
Speaker 1: in one movie, that's that takes. I was out here
Speaker 1: at last April shooting the movie and for like two
Speaker 1: weeks every day. I like it. But I got a
Speaker 1: lot of respect for the ones that that's what they
Speaker 1: do right, And it's just not my grind. Right because
Speaker 1: the actor told me, told me, actor friend of mine
Speaker 1: told me, as soon as they yell cut on that movie,
Speaker 1: I'm unemployed. Yeah, and then I gotta keep the next thing,
Speaker 1: you understand, So because yeah, because like not most actors,
Speaker 1: ninety nine point nine percent of actors who are in
Speaker 1: shit don't get residual income off of That's what I'm saying.
Speaker 1: Like there's not a star neither true. So you might
Speaker 1: see such such in this movie, such and such this movie.
Speaker 1: We not really doing that well in life, you understand.
Speaker 1: So you know you just hired you just hired help.
Speaker 1: You prefer to be behind the scenes, fucking right. You
Speaker 1: know what's crazy is I do think that what's missing
Speaker 1: from TV right now. When I was growing up, we
Speaker 1: had OZ. Then there was the show Prison Break. There's
Speaker 1: not a good fucking prison show right now. This guy
Speaker 1: wants the worst prison Did you watch OZ? Of course
Speaker 1: I did. Was fucking crazy. I just had Leon on
Speaker 1: my show. He was in and Prison Break was souper.
Speaker 1: I mean for treble. I never watched Prison two seasons.
Speaker 1: Am I missing the show? I never watched Prison. Oh,
Speaker 1: I've heard about Mayor of Kingstown with Jeremy Renner. I've
Speaker 1: heard about that paramount plus that's that's as a prison joint.
Speaker 1: I heard it's good the Mayor of Kingstown. It's got
Speaker 1: Hawkeye from the main I know where that is. Shout
Speaker 1: out to Jeremy Renner that it's fire. The same guys
Speaker 1: who do Yellowstone. I didn't watch them. Yellowstone is good
Speaker 1: to fire watching some gangster cowboys ship. Yeah yeah, Yellowstone
Speaker 1: is like the Wire but like in Montana, the ran
Speaker 1: thug down ship. Bro. Yeah, I know German Runner. I
Speaker 1: remember when he was in the town, the town with
Speaker 1: Slaine Slaine was in the town. Yeah, shout out to
Speaker 1: Slaine Man Slain Slain. The white boy, that chevy whit
Speaker 1: dude who also was rapping. He was just putting it
Speaker 1: out a static selector. He's like in the movie. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I remember. In fact, he's a rae. He was a
Speaker 1: rapper first Wow slang. Yeah from Boston. Shout out to Boston.
Speaker 1: The town was fire, Yeah, shouts. That might be Ben
Speaker 1: Affleck's best movie. Is it his best movie? Or the
Speaker 1: other one was the other one with him and Matt
Speaker 1: Damon That won't all the awards with Robin Williams, the
Speaker 1: first one that pop them off. You've never seen it.
Speaker 1: I don't even know what the fuck it's called. All
Speaker 1: I know is he just bought an eighty million dollar
Speaker 1: house with j Lo. So Ben Affleck is winning, you
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. Well, listen, bro uh. Lobby Boys
Speaker 1: in April, Lobby Boys in April kitchen Salt. Everything's happening, man.
Speaker 1: How often do you put out episodes of Kitchen Talk
Speaker 1: every week? So once a week and once week sometimes
Speaker 1: I miss, We might miss a week. You know, I
Speaker 1: was gonna say, like, sometimes is it like yo, this
Speaker 1: week is lit? And and I know what I like
Speaker 1: about your podcast is it is not necessarily a guest
Speaker 1: based show, right sometimes you know, but we we have
Speaker 1: more guests now because people just like to see other
Speaker 1: people all. But sometimes we do two episodes a day
Speaker 1: like so some sometimes I might have two different guests
Speaker 1: on one day and then you'll spread those out, yes,
Speaker 1: put them out. You know. Sometimes I might I've done
Speaker 1: three episodes in one week to have them come out
Speaker 1: like that, So I just have them like that. But
Speaker 1: the consistency is what is? What is? What is? You know?
Speaker 1: With people? It's important. Yeah, it's very important. So you know,
Speaker 1: I got an episode coming out Thursday. Who helps you
Speaker 1: with because what's important is like getting those social media
Speaker 1: clips from the podcast together? You got you got that
Speaker 1: team that just handles all me. I got a whole team,
Speaker 1: the whole squad, a whole producers, videos, the whole scene.
Speaker 1: I got people that helped me with the guests. I
Speaker 1: got you know, people that shoot. I got edited, I
Speaker 1: got a sound person, I got the whole team. Graph
Speaker 1: fix everything. We'll listen, go support. Yeah, I know you
Speaker 1: got other ship coming that you probably can't talk about it.
Speaker 1: You talked a little bit about it off camera. Little
Speaker 1: TV show situation coming maybe with the homies. Yeah, we'll see, Yeah,
Speaker 1: we'll see, you know, shout out the fit lit lyoys.
Speaker 1: You already know, man, there it is badly may know. Yeah,
Speaker 1: boom