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Speaker 2: This is Draft Season presented by Moodies from the Hackensack

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Speaker 2: Marine Hill podcast studio.

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Speaker 1: Keep getting Better.

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Speaker 2: I am John Schmelk battling a cold courtesy of my

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Speaker 2: make sure we get that squared away as always. Tony

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Speaker 2: Pony from Essentially Sports, Tony, what's going on, man?

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Speaker 1: How are you?

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Speaker 3: Oh?

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Speaker 2: Not?

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Speaker 3: Much like you?

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Speaker 4: Getting ready for the Combine? It should be an interesting

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Speaker 4: one with so many questions in this draft. Excited, stressed,

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely right. I'm excited as well, Tony. And this

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Speaker 2: is gonna be our combine preview. Keep in mind we

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Speaker 2: are recording this the Thursday previous, so if guys release

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Speaker 1: Days that they're not working out, that's not going to

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Speaker 2: So just something to keep in mind, Tony, and things

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Speaker 2: do change, and a lot of times we get surprises

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Speaker 2: that might not work out.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean, there's some big names and some questionable aim,

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Speaker 4: some guys that have to work out. I mean, we'll

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Speaker 4: who didn't participate in the senior ball because of the

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Speaker 3: You know, there's a guy. Does a guy like that workout?

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Speaker 4: And you know, right off the top, the number one

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Speaker 4: pick of the draft, Francisco Mendoza, has announced that he

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Speaker 4: is not going to participate in the combine, which is

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Speaker 4: not a surprise.

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Speaker 3: He really doesn't need to.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Tony, I guess, I guess that's the place

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Speaker 2: to start, right, Why don't we start the quarterbacks? And

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Speaker 2: to me, this could be a situation where Ty Simpson

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Speaker 1: Simpson ended the season poorly.

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Speaker 2: Can he show off some high level traits that can

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Speaker 4: Well, I mean, I think personally the combine is up

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Speaker 4: make a lot of NFL passes. If you watch Ty Simpson,

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Speaker 4: Will he choose to throw out the comment? I think

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Speaker 4: he should, especially after Narth participating in the in the

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Speaker 4: Senior Bowl, you know, getting back to Mendoza.

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Speaker 3: I wrote it.

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Speaker 4: During shrine Ball Senior Bowl week. I wrote that people

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Speaker 3: Because he can be a number one pick.

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Speaker 4: They said, go to Vegas, meet with the Raiders, take

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Speaker 4: We've seen year in the year out top quarterbacks who

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Speaker 2: I don't think the combine is that important for quarterbacks

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Speaker 4: I agree with you. But it can also help a

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Speaker 3: And with a lot of these guys.

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Speaker 4: We saw were Panics. That's what helped Panics so much.

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Speaker 4: They get out there, they've never stepped foot on Lucas

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Speaker 2: Look, there is a battle for quarterback three right in

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Speaker 4: Know, nessa Meyer, you want to see if he's got

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Speaker 3: The deep out is the money.

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Speaker 4: Throw for the combine where they will go thirty five

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Speaker 4: Cal Payton wants to keep up the keep them on,

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Speaker 4: went them going that he built up at the Senior Bowl.

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Speaker 4: He had a terrific Senior Bowl. Three days of practice.

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Speaker 1: I want to see him rung tony. I want to

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Speaker 4: Where is JEWELR in this process? I mean, like Ty Simpson,

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Speaker 2: All right, let's jump over to the running back position

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Speaker 2: here Tony and this is not a great running back class.

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Speaker 2: I would be shocked if he did any of the

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Speaker 1: We'll see who for the next group. Do you think

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Speaker 4: Why to see what ka tron Allen runs. If he runs,

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Speaker 4: you know, Kate tron Allen is known as a big, strong,

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Speaker 4: You thought he was just an interior grinder and Nick

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Speaker 4: also got some lateral shiftingess, some lateral quickness. Damon Claiborne,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I want to see what Jodah Coleman runs in

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Speaker 2: The direction is strong. But I'm curious what his long

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Speaker 2: and Clayborne might be the fastest running back there in

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Speaker 4: I'm gonna go with Desmond Reid of Pittsburgh'll see who's right.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's check that out. Look forward to seeing it.

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Speaker 2: All right, Let's go to wide receiver, Tony. There's so

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Speaker 2: This will probably be a longer conversation just in terms

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Speaker 2: Is he a four five five guys? He's somewhere in between.

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Speaker 2: But he's a guy that is big. He's got good hands.

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Speaker 4: I think the big question is which of the top

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Speaker 4: Ted McMillan a year ago ran just for a small

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Speaker 3: How that would be they'd have to remove the roof

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Speaker 4: You know, Elijah Rott of Indiana. If Elijah Sharratt goes

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Speaker 2: You're right, Sarat's one of the guys on my list

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Speaker 2: because you watch him and you wonder how much Juicy has.

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Speaker 3: Malachai Fields, I'm the only guy list.

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Speaker 1: Yep, another guy in my list.

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Speaker 4: I'm told that he's going to run faster than expected.

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Speaker 2: He told me, by the way, he told me at

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Speaker 4: You know, the combine is about expectations more than anything else.

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Speaker 3: To play to a four to four to two.

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Speaker 4: We know he can do that. We will be able

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Speaker 4: I mean, later on one of our favorite guys from

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Speaker 4: sure he's going to be in the four threes. He

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Speaker 4: I'm really disappointed that Lewis Bond of Boston College did

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Speaker 4: The fact that he did not get an invitation to

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and Toty, you're right, Look what the combine's all

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Speaker 2: when you start seeing out liars, guys that they look

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Speaker 2: Can you confirm what you already think about these players

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Speaker 3: Absolutely.

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Speaker 4: I mean later on, Reggie Virgel of Texas Tech a taller,

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Speaker 4: Eric mccowister, favorite of mind from TCU, tall, shorthanded, possession,

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Speaker 3: We'll see how he does.

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Speaker 4: Jmichael Sturtevant, who we spoke with at the combine, bigger, reliable,

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Speaker 4: what like we both said, you know, if these guys

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Speaker 4: the speed. It's just a matter of coaching them, coaching

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Speaker 2: at moodies dot Com. All right, Tony, let's go to

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Speaker 2: the tight end position here, and it's a position that

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and he'll show off.

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Speaker 2: And I think the tight end position has really become

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Speaker 2: His teams really value traits I think at that position,

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Speaker 4: Hurt it if he doesn't meet those numbers, because you know,

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Speaker 3: So you know, if he.

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Speaker 4: Doesn't run that, if he doesn't participate in the testing,

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Speaker 4: that means there's a problem. But if he does, you know,

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Speaker 4: You know, you remember Evan Ingram. Why did he jump

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Speaker 4: to see how Eli Reverdin does because we both like him.

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Speaker 4: He's not a super fast tight end. Can he get

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Speaker 4: Riley Nowakowski of Indiana a guy there's really no testing

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Speaker 4: I was kind of surprised he got an invite. Had

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Speaker 4: So he's someone who really needs to lay down some

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, Tony and then when we go to the

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Speaker 4: Those move tight ends, you know, the guys that you

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Speaker 4: that we saw at the shrinebol Emil Wagner. He looks

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Speaker 4: very athletic, he looks smooth. He played both left and

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Speaker 4: right tackle. Let's see how he does during combine. And

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Speaker 4: Billy Strauf. I've talked about Emmanuel Pregnant of Oregon before.

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Speaker 4: I also love Strauf of Notre Damn. I think he's

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Speaker 4: a different type of blocker. He's more of a power guy,

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Speaker 4: not as effective in motion, but still if he shows

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Speaker 4: good footwork. You know, when they do that side to

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Speaker 4: side drill, you've got to follow the coach. You know,

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Speaker 4: are you able to quickly change dir action and keep

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Speaker 4: your feet moving as well as that the drill where

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Speaker 4: they're pulling out as there would be a pulling lineman.

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Speaker 4: You want to see if those guys just move and

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Speaker 4: fluid as you.

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Speaker 2: Mentioned and Canaan Proctor for that matter, Tony, and how

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Speaker 2: he moves to see and and how agile he looks.

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Speaker 2: At his size and what he weighs in at I

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Speaker 2: think will be significant too, right.

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Speaker 4: And the height as well, you know, the height, there's

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Speaker 4: some he's probably he's expected to be about sixty seven.

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Speaker 4: But you're right about the movement skills. I mean, there

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Speaker 4: are some people who feel it he hasn't moved well

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Speaker 4: enough to be a tackle. I disagree. I think is

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Speaker 4: the right tackle. And the arm length as well.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, another thing too, Tony.

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Speaker 2: Can we not have like the drama of the different

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Speaker 2: arm lengths from the Senior Bowl like we had last year?

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Speaker 4: Last year, Yeah, that was a mess, and it's something

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Speaker 4: to track because and for what people, you know, for

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Speaker 4: people who don't know what was happening was and Will

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Speaker 4: Campbell was a perfect example. Arm lengths at the Combine

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Speaker 4: were regularly anywhere from a quarter of an inch to

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Speaker 4: a half inch.

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Speaker 1: Shorter, sometimes more than that than what.

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Speaker 4: The measurements were at Trimebol Senior Bowl and even Proda.

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Speaker 4: And I had mentioned that I tweeted that out before

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Speaker 4: the LSU Proda because if you remember, I think Will

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Speaker 4: Campbell's arm length was like thirty two and a half

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Speaker 4: during the Senior Bowl during the combine and everybody flipped out,

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Speaker 4: and then at Prota it was just over thirty three inches.

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Speaker 3: So you bring up a good point.

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Speaker 4: And it's something that you could track actually right away

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Speaker 4: from the first arm measurements that come out.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, because we have the measurements from the Senior Bowl,

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Speaker 2: so we know what happened, and the Shrine Bowl with

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Speaker 2: the have been measured at before looking for more than

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Speaker 2: Experiences dot Com. All right, Tony, let's go to the

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Speaker 2: defensive side of the ball. Let's start with the defensive line.

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Speaker 2: The big guys in the middle, Caleb Banks and Peter

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Speaker 2: Woods are two guys that I would highlight here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: because both guys in Banks' situation injury, in Woods's situation, inconsistency.

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Speaker 2: Both these guys, if they're gonna win consistently, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: rely on their athleticism. I think both guys are gonna

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Speaker 2: have to test very well this week to try to

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Speaker 2: secure their first round or wherever they will wind up

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Speaker 2: in the first round status.

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Speaker 4: Especially Woods because like many of the players at Clemson,

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Speaker 4: he failed to meet expectations on the field, so he

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Speaker 4: better meet expectations during his combine testing, assuming he tests,

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Speaker 4: and you know, like Kenyon Sadiq, this boat, you know,

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Speaker 4: this is set up perfectly for Peter Woods to go

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Speaker 4: out there lay some good times. We talk about the

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Speaker 4: forty times. But for defensive linemen, the ten split is

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Speaker 4: also very important. You want to see a quick tenslate.

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Speaker 4: You don't want to see a ten split in the

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Speaker 4: one eighth Scots schrivid the one lines. You want to

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Speaker 4: see a quicker tensmit. So even if if a Peter

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Speaker 4: Woods runs a five to one to Ozero, but he's

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Speaker 4: got a quick tenslate and you know he's showing well

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Speaker 4: compared to the defensive tackles. As for a defensive lineman

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Speaker 4: with the broad jump and the vertical jump, that tells

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Speaker 4: you he's got some explosion in his lower body, you know.

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Speaker 2: Cam. By the way, also also the three cone tony

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Speaker 2: for the for the defensive lineman, because that shows kind

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Speaker 2: of that side to side twitchiness, especially.

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Speaker 4: The ones you expect to be athletic, you know, like

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Speaker 4: Peter Woods Banks.

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Speaker 3: You know you brought up bring up a good point.

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Speaker 4: We will sit here and talk about the forties and

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Speaker 4: the verticals and the movement skills. Medicals are the most

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Speaker 4: important thing at the combine. I can go story after

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Speaker 4: story that I've broken over the past twenty five years

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Speaker 4: where guys came up with major medical red flags. One

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Speaker 4: guy was forced to retire on the spots. So point

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Speaker 4: being is that if something bad pops up in a

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Speaker 4: medical and a combine medical for Caleb Banks, ego out

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Speaker 4: there and run a four to seven, doesn't matter, He's

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Speaker 4: gonna get flagged. Gosh, hegl fail. I'm just saying that

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Speaker 4: as an example. I'm not I don't have any knowledge

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Speaker 4: of that, but the the the medicals are very important

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Speaker 4: for him and a key mesador any guy with a

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Speaker 4: past medical history, the medicals are important. You know one

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Speaker 4: guy who I think can test really well and I

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Speaker 4: think should test really well is Danny Dennis Sutton. He's

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Speaker 4: a two seventy pound guy. They expect him to run

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Speaker 4: in the low four sevens. I mean, he plays like

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Speaker 4: he should be able to run in the four sixes

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Speaker 4: with a good ten time, have a good vertical jump.

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Speaker 4: So he's one of those more athletic guys. Max Llewellyn

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Speaker 4: of Iowa just looks like an explosive athlete.

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Speaker 3: He showed at the Singer Bowl. Didn't have great production

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Speaker 3: at Iowa.

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Speaker 4: But when you see Ian Montsfielm, you see the explosion,

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Speaker 4: you see the quickness. When I saw him on Philip,

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Speaker 4: when I saw him in person at the Seebow was

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Speaker 4: very impressed with the athleticism and the movement skills he showed.

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Speaker 4: So he's the guy that's got to test well. And

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Speaker 4: then you know, you get your bigger guys, the tim Keenans,

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Speaker 4: the dom Oranges of the world.

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Speaker 2: I mean, they're more Caryl Jackson, Lee Hunter, Christian Miller,

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Speaker 2: all those big nose tackles there. It doesn't look pretty

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Speaker 2: when they're running that forty yard dash and stuff's jiggling

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Speaker 2: and wiggling all over the place.

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Speaker 4: I think Lee Hunter's actually going to test pretty. He's

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Speaker 4: going to test better than people expect. He's not going

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Speaker 4: to go out there only a four to two five.

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Speaker 4: I think he could get unto five to one because

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Speaker 4: he looks very athletic in a short area.

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Speaker 3: But yeah, I mean those guys.

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Speaker 4: You just don't want to see him, you know, you

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Speaker 4: don't want to see body parts moving around. Let's put

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Speaker 4: it like that. You know, the Motty kpe Hart, another

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Speaker 4: guy from Clemson. I mean, you're not looking for them

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Speaker 4: to make you like you would like to see him

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Speaker 4: make athletic plays. But they're more your gap occupiers. You're

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Speaker 4: powerful guys that are basically sticking them in the middle

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Speaker 4: of the line to occupy blockers.

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Speaker 2: All right, let's go to the edge group here, Tony,

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Speaker 2: and I'll lead off with with two of the bigger

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Speaker 2: edge rushers you already mentioned a Keim mesidorbu Is.

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Speaker 1: I think how he tests will be important.

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Speaker 2: He's two hundred and eighty pounds, right, and then Ruben

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Speaker 2: Bain's a bigger guy. Keldrick Falk's a bigger guy. And

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Speaker 2: these are not your bendy type of edge rushers. This

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Speaker 2: whole class as a bigger group, So I don't think

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Speaker 2: we're going to see as great of testing marks from

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Speaker 2: this edge group necessarily as ones in the past, because

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Speaker 2: they just way more in their bigger But I think

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Speaker 2: how Bain and Falk and what kind of explosion and

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Speaker 2: ben they show in the drills will go a long

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Speaker 2: way to showing how high they might go. In this

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Speaker 2: top fifteen, Top ten, Top twenty.

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Speaker 4: Cassius Howell of Texas A and m' is the other

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Speaker 4: guy we talk about guys with short arms. I mean

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Speaker 4: he's expected to have arms that could be under thirty

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Speaker 4: two inches. I'm not a big fan, you know, when

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Speaker 4: it comes to defensive lineman, I could take it or

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Speaker 4: leave it, as opposed to say an offensive lineman. Interested

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Speaker 4: to see Gabe Jackis of Illinois because he's used both

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Speaker 4: out of a three point stance as well as standing up.

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Speaker 1: I like him. Man. He's a good player, Tony, and

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Speaker 1: you can use.

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Speaker 4: Him in a variety of schemes. I mean you could

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Speaker 4: use him as a three fourth, stand up outside linebacker

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Speaker 4: that puts his hand in the ground on occasion. I

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Speaker 4: want to see with Derek Moore of Michigan run tests.

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Speaker 4: I think he if he tests, he's going to be

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Speaker 4: in the four sixes. He's a very explosive guy. I

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Speaker 4: believe a incredibly underrated.

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Speaker 3: Edge rusher. If you will.

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Speaker 4: Defensive lineman David Bally is David. I think with David Baily,

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Speaker 4: we want to see what his height and his weight is,

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Speaker 4: you know, because people are concerned about that. Let's see

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Speaker 4: what it is. Although he was I'm looking at here

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Speaker 4: sixty three two forty six last year junior timing day,

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Speaker 4: let's see if it's at six three to forty six

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Speaker 4: or what the height means. When you're looking at a height,

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Speaker 4: you're also looking at growth potential because philosophically or fundamentally,

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Speaker 4: a guy that's six three and a half should be

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Speaker 4: able to get a bigger than a guy at sixty

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Speaker 4: two and a half should be able to carry more weight.

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Speaker 4: So a guy like David Bailey, you want to see

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Speaker 4: what the actual height is.

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Speaker 3: And that's why that matters.

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Speaker 4: People say, well, you know an inch doesn't matter, yes,

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Speaker 4: and no teams will look at it and say, you

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Speaker 4: know what, this guy can comfortably beat you on your

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Speaker 4: fifty five pounds, you know, two or three years down

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Speaker 4: the road before he gets to a second contract where

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Speaker 4: this guy may struggle carrying that amount of weight.

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Speaker 2: I can see Romelo Hyke Tony having a really big,

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Speaker 2: big day in a big couple of days there. He's

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Speaker 2: very fast, He's only two hundred and thirty five pounds.

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Speaker 2: What he weighs in at, by the way, will be important.

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Speaker 2: Does he get to two forty Well, off to wait

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Speaker 2: and see, because I think that is a concern for people.

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Speaker 1: But I think he could really help himself there.

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Speaker 4: It's well It's kind of one makes the other one important.

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Speaker 4: If he's lighter, he better run faster. If he's two forty.

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Speaker 3: Five, you can deal with. You can deal with him

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Speaker 3: running in the low four sevens.

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Speaker 4: If he's two thirty five and he can't get on

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Speaker 4: the four to seven, teams will look at that differently.

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Speaker 2: No, absolutely, right, one hundred percent, Tony, I'm with you

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Speaker 2: All right, Tony, let's go to the off ball linebackers here,

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Speaker 2: And much like safety, this to me is not a

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Speaker 2: testing position. Would you love to have a great forty

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Speaker 2: time inside the side speed?

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Speaker 1: That's great? To me?

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Speaker 2: Linebackers a lot more about instincts and how you play

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Speaker 2: with to your point earlier, eleven other guys on the

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Speaker 2: field that you're going against and ten other guys on

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Speaker 2: your side of the ball play in defense. But who

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Speaker 2: are some of the linebackers that you're excited to keep

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Speaker 2: an eye on to see how they test? I expect

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Speaker 2: Sonny Styles to test extremely well if he.

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Speaker 4: Tests, and you would think so, and I agree with you.

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Speaker 4: It's more about being able to rediagnose quickly. But you

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Speaker 4: also want to stay and a lot of linebackers we've

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Speaker 4: seen make plays based off of their instincts rather than

650
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Speaker 4: your physical skills. But if you can get both and

651
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Speaker 4: a guy like Sonny Styles, you know, CJ. Allen looks

652
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Speaker 4: incredibly athletic on film. Is he going to test?

653
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Speaker 3: What is he what is he going to do there?

654
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Speaker 4: Deontay Lawson another favorite of mine, Jake Galladay of Cincinnati,

655
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Speaker 4: favorite of a lot of people. I know he had

656
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Speaker 4: his shoulder injury, which is what kept him out of

657
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Speaker 4: the Shrine Ball. Don't know that he's one hundred percent healthy.

658
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Speaker 4: If he tests what is his forty times? He's one

659
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Speaker 4: of those guys that he basically makes plays with what's

660
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Speaker 4: going on between his ears. But you still want to

661
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Speaker 4: see those physical skills because that will determine how early

662
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Speaker 4: he goes in the draft. Harold Perkins, I mean, how

663
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Speaker 4: big is what we saw big he was at the

664
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Speaker 4: shrine Ball? You know, is he going to run in

665
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Speaker 4: the low four fours? I mean, if he does people

666
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Speaker 4: are going to be blown away. I don't know that

667
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Speaker 4: that's going to change the needle as forst teams are concerned.

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Speaker 4: Our guy Kyle Lewis at Pittsburgh, I mean a smaller guy,

669
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Speaker 4: but he is explosive, He is fast, He makes plays

670
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Speaker 4: both with his instincts and his athleticism. Very excited to

671
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Speaker 4: see him. Caleb elims Or, I think that when you

672
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Speaker 4: look at this linebacker class, we've said all along, literally

673
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Speaker 4: since back in August and September, what a terrific off

674
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Speaker 4: ball linebacker group it is. And you want off ball

675
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Speaker 4: linebackers to be athletics. So you want to see good

676
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Speaker 4: speech from guy like Caleb elam Or, you know Wade

677
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Speaker 4: with does I mean Justin Jefferson of Alabama who looks

678
00:31:06,800 --> 00:31:09,680
Speaker 4: insanely athletic on the field. You want to see these

679
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Speaker 4: guys put down good good times because we linebackers are

680
00:31:14,600 --> 00:31:16,720
Speaker 4: doing more than just rushing up the field. They're going

681
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Speaker 4: sideline to sideline, They're going in reverse, you know so,

682
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Speaker 4: and you have to have a good degree of athleticism

683
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Speaker 4: to be able to do that.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, DONI some of these guys that are primarily run stoppers.

685
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Speaker 2: On day two that we saw play well and I

686
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Speaker 2: think they're good players. I think how they test could

687
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 2: determine all right, do we trust them in coverage? Guys

688
00:31:35,320 --> 00:31:39,560
Speaker 2: like Keishawn Elliott, Josiah Trotter, Jacob Rodriguez.

689
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Speaker 1: You know what do these guys look like?

690
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Speaker 2: Not just with the testing, but in the drills, moving

691
00:31:44,760 --> 00:31:48,760
Speaker 2: side to side, changing direction range coverage. These are guys

692
00:31:48,800 --> 00:31:51,320
Speaker 2: in a very crowded class that could get pushed up

693
00:31:51,360 --> 00:31:54,240
Speaker 2: around or to or down a round or two depending

694
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Speaker 2: on how they test.

695
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Speaker 4: What is Dereic Gentry's vertical jump? I mean he looks

696
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,280
Speaker 4: like a guy that's you know, conduct basketball after doing

697
00:32:01,360 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 4: the three sixty? You know, is he gonna get close

698
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:06,080
Speaker 4: to thirty eight inches? Is he gonna get close to

699
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Speaker 4: forty inches? He just looks like that type of athlete.

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Speaker 2: By Tony, Let's go to the cornerback position now, and

701
00:32:11,320 --> 00:32:14,600
Speaker 2: this is a testing position. Teams care about this, and

702
00:32:14,600 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 2: obviously Monsor Delaine is going to be number one here

703
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:17,440
Speaker 2: for me.

704
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Speaker 1: You know, what does he measure lengthwise? What does he run?

705
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Speaker 2: Does he get into the mid to low four fours

706
00:32:22,600 --> 00:32:26,040
Speaker 2: when he runs? And then does Jamal McCoy do anything right?

707
00:32:26,120 --> 00:32:29,080
Speaker 2: He's more than a year off his ACL injury. I

708
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Speaker 2: think teams will be legitimately nervous if they don't get

709
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Speaker 2: any testing numbers on him during the offseason process and

710
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Speaker 2: pre draft process.

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Speaker 1: I can't imagine they won't.

712
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Speaker 2: But what he shows in terms of whether or not

713
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Speaker 2: his athleticism is completely back, I think will be very

714
00:32:44,760 --> 00:32:46,360
Speaker 2: important for him as.

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Speaker 3: Well as the medicals. Now, go back to the medicals.

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Speaker 4: You know, when they when they basically go through his

717
00:32:51,120 --> 00:32:54,920
Speaker 4: injury X rays, MRI, sometimes they will pull on joints,

718
00:32:55,200 --> 00:32:58,720
Speaker 4: you know, to see how how secure they are, the

719
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Speaker 4: integrity of those joints.

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Speaker 3: You know.

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Speaker 4: First with McCoy's gonna be the medicals, then the testing

722
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Speaker 4: if he tests at all. Agree with you about de Lane.

723
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Speaker 4: I think he just has to run under the four five.

724
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Speaker 4: If he runs on under four or five, he's fine.

725
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Speaker 4: D'Angelo pons. What are his actual measurements? You know, how

726
00:33:13,840 --> 00:33:16,040
Speaker 4: toll is he how what is arm length?

727
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Speaker 2: Like?

728
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Speaker 4: I have a feeling Brandon Sis from what I've been told,

729
00:33:19,120 --> 00:33:22,000
Speaker 4: is going to test off the charts. He's a tremendous

730
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Speaker 4: athlete that's learning to become a football player.

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Speaker 3: You know, you go down the line.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, Tony, By the way, I think that that group

733
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Speaker 2: of like ciss says cise Hood Avian Terrell, I'll throw

734
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Speaker 2: Chris Johnson in there from I think he needs to

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00:33:37,320 --> 00:33:39,920
Speaker 2: test well from San Diego State. Those guys to me

736
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Speaker 2: are kind of in a big cluster right back into

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Speaker 2: the first round, top of the second round. How do

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Speaker 2: those guys kind of sort out each other during this process?

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Speaker 4: Not in that group would be Malik Mohammad because I

740
00:33:51,960 --> 00:33:55,080
Speaker 4: was being senile. Malik Mohammad's a four to six guy.

741
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Speaker 4: So if Malik Mohammad runs at the combine, it means

742
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,000
Speaker 4: he's confident you're gonna run for and expected. If he

743
00:34:01,080 --> 00:34:03,360
Speaker 4: doesn't run, that could be a major red flag and

744
00:34:03,520 --> 00:34:04,720
Speaker 4: to have to chart it through the proday.

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Speaker 3: Assuming runs.

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Speaker 4: But the word about Malik Muhammad is he's not gonna

747
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,799
Speaker 4: run good in the forty Keyante Scott, you know, he's

748
00:34:12,239 --> 00:34:15,960
Speaker 4: a safety cornerback who even if he runs in the

749
00:34:16,000 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 4: four or fives, he plays exceptionally fast and you because

750
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:22,719
Speaker 4: of his instincts, because because of his football speed. So

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00:34:22,800 --> 00:34:25,400
Speaker 4: that's something that has to be uh has to be

752
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Speaker 4: taken into consideration. Avery Smith, who we saw at the

753
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Speaker 4: Shrine Ball smaller cornerback, dining back, at the next level.

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Speaker 3: Yet he's very quick.

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Speaker 4: We talk about the forty times, I would agree with

756
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:39,600
Speaker 4: you it's testing. But there's a lot of drills that they.

757
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Speaker 3: Do that you have to keep an eye on.

758
00:34:41,040 --> 00:34:42,960
Speaker 4: I mean, they do that drill where they backpedal for

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Speaker 4: ten yards.

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00:34:43,640 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 3: Turn their hips and.

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Speaker 1: Those hips, and they do it both ways.

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Speaker 3: They do it once to the right, they do it

763
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Speaker 3: once to the right.

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Speaker 4: In fact that there's a scout there timing them. You know,

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Speaker 4: you want to see that back because that's what they

766
00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:56,080
Speaker 4: got to do on Sunday. You know, we talk about

767
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 4: straight line speed for cornerbacks. A lot of times they're

768
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Speaker 4: move one of ours. So you I want to see

769
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Speaker 4: a guy like Avery.

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Speaker 3: Smith from Toledo. He was He's phenomenal.

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Speaker 4: I went and went up and complimented him after his

772
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Speaker 4: first Shrine Bowl practice because I thought he was so

773
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Speaker 4: terrific in drills. So that's something else to keep an

774
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Speaker 4: eye on during the combine workouts.

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Speaker 2: And then finally, safety, Tony again not a testing position

776
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,359
Speaker 2: to me. You know, we've seen guys not test well

777
00:35:18,440 --> 00:35:21,279
Speaker 2: safety and be great, great players, so I don't really

778
00:35:21,320 --> 00:35:23,600
Speaker 2: get that concern with their forty times and stuff like that.

779
00:35:23,719 --> 00:35:26,759
Speaker 2: But I want to see how Dylan Thiedeman at Oregon test.

780
00:35:27,080 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 2: I think he's a really good football player. I want

781
00:35:29,239 --> 00:35:31,839
Speaker 2: to see how we test. And then Emmanuel mcdeil Warren

782
00:35:31,880 --> 00:35:33,920
Speaker 2: at a Toledo right, another guy at the end of

783
00:35:34,000 --> 00:35:36,279
Speaker 2: that first round or maybe in the second day two. However,

784
00:35:36,520 --> 00:35:39,719
Speaker 2: people have him ranked differently how he tests, the guy

785
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Speaker 2: coming from a small school.

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Speaker 4: I mean, and if you followed me, I had been

787
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Speaker 4: reporting since the Shrine Bowl. I was told that, you know,

788
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Speaker 4: he's not fast, which is one of the reasons why

789
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Speaker 4: he didn't show up at the Senior Bowl. So again,

790
00:35:52,200 --> 00:35:54,359
Speaker 4: if he runs, he runs well, good for him. If

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Speaker 4: he doesn't run well, that's kind of a red flag.

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Speaker 1: You know.

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Speaker 4: With safeties, the three colne and the shuttle are just

794
00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:05,360
Speaker 4: as important because remember, safeties have to go sideline to sideline.

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Speaker 4: So while straight line speed, like you said, is not

796
00:36:08,000 --> 00:36:10,279
Speaker 4: a big you want to see that that speed going

797
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:12,960
Speaker 4: sideline to sideline. You want to see during the drills

798
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Speaker 4: that you know safeties can do defend cornerback drills, flip

799
00:36:17,040 --> 00:36:20,040
Speaker 4: their hips, track the pass in the air because all

800
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Speaker 4: of a sudden, you know, compared to the college game,

801
00:36:22,560 --> 00:36:26,040
Speaker 4: like Emmanuel McNeil Warren. It's not straight line downhill. It's

802
00:36:26,080 --> 00:36:30,839
Speaker 4: also laterally Bud Clark, who had a terrific senior Bowl,

803
00:36:31,080 --> 00:36:32,319
Speaker 4: not known as a great tester.

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Speaker 3: Can he prove that? Prove people wrong?

805
00:36:35,040 --> 00:36:37,960
Speaker 4: Does Genesis Smith of Arizona? Does he do any testing

806
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:38,480
Speaker 4: how fast?

807
00:36:38,520 --> 00:36:38,799
Speaker 2: To see?

808
00:36:38,840 --> 00:36:42,719
Speaker 4: I think he's an outstanding safety. Cole was Newski unfortunately

809
00:36:42,840 --> 00:36:45,320
Speaker 4: was not invited to the combine. I think he should

810
00:36:45,360 --> 00:36:49,160
Speaker 4: have guys later on like Dalton Dalton Johnson of Arizona,

811
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Speaker 4: Kobe Thomas of the Miami of Florida. These guys you're

812
00:36:52,440 --> 00:36:56,560
Speaker 4: known as basically straight line downhill. You know, guys in

813
00:36:56,640 --> 00:36:59,719
Speaker 4: the mid four fives. Can they run faster? Can they

814
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,200
Speaker 4: run good shuttle of times in good three cone times?

815
00:37:02,280 --> 00:37:05,160
Speaker 4: Because that will bode well for them as part of

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Speaker 4: the process.

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Speaker 2: Now I doti final thoughts here before we get on

818
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Speaker 2: planes early next weekend, we have some fun at Indian

819
00:37:10,640 --> 00:37:11,240
Speaker 2: and have some stake.

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Speaker 4: Oh the final thoughts are you know? I really don't

821
00:37:15,640 --> 00:37:17,799
Speaker 4: like putting a lot of emphasis in the combine. It's

822
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,799
Speaker 4: just one piece of the puzzle. But with so many questions,

823
00:37:22,600 --> 00:37:26,839
Speaker 4: you know, with so few true first rounders, I mean,

824
00:37:26,960 --> 00:37:29,720
Speaker 4: the testing numbers can mean a lot this year because

825
00:37:30,239 --> 00:37:34,560
Speaker 4: when you have guys that you just don't know late

826
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Speaker 4: in the draft, teams will look for size, speed guys.

827
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Speaker 4: When you don't know what to do, you'll go with

828
00:37:39,000 --> 00:37:42,719
Speaker 4: the guy that's bigger, faster, stronger. It's that's athletic because

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Speaker 4: you're going to coach him into being a football player,

830
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Speaker 4: or they believe they can coach him into being a

831
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Speaker 4: football player. I think that's going to be pushed up

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00:37:49,360 --> 00:37:51,960
Speaker 4: a little bit more because there's so much questions and

833
00:37:52,960 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 4: I hate say, you know a mediocre draft if you

834
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:58,840
Speaker 4: will as far as top end talent, where these combine

835
00:37:58,920 --> 00:38:02,000
Speaker 4: numbers could mean a lot come draft day when teams

836
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Speaker 4: are deciding on what player they're going to select.

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Speaker 2: Tony good stuff, my friend, Always a pleasure. We'll see

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Speaker 2: it in Indianapolis.

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Speaker 3: Look forward to it, John.

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Speaker 1: That's Draft season.

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Speaker 2: You can find all of Tony's stuff from a combine,

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Speaker 2: previews and all that stuff on Essentially Sports. Thanks for

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Speaker 2: joining us on the Draft Season podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: Keep getting better for Tony Pouline I'm John Schmelk. We

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Speaker 1: will see you next time. Everybody