WEBVTT - Lanhee Chen talks to Armstrong & Getty

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<v Speaker 1>The Armstrong and Getty Show, and in Odessa I met

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<v Speaker 1>the mother of a fifteen year old girl who was

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<v Speaker 1>shot by an A R fifteen, and that mother watched

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<v Speaker 1>her bleed to death over the course of an hour.

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<v Speaker 1>Because so many other people were shot by that A

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<v Speaker 1>R fifteen in Odessa and Midland, there weren't enough ambulances

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<v Speaker 1>to get to them in time. Hell, yes, we're gonna

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<v Speaker 1>take your A R fifteen, your A K forty seven.

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<v Speaker 1>We're not gonna allow it to be used against follow

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<v Speaker 1>Americans anymore. I thought that is the best moment Betto

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<v Speaker 1>has had since he announced for running for president. A

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<v Speaker 1>terrible topic, daft to talk about, obviously, but it's genuine

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<v Speaker 1>and real and he seems like a real human being. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>I think the policy is not going to fly very

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<v Speaker 1>well with the majority of Americans a government gun confiscation,

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<v Speaker 1>but Betto had some real moments and Bernie gurgled and

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<v Speaker 1>July and called Biden scene island. That's just part of

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<v Speaker 1>the uh, the equation with the debate. Last night, We're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna talk with Lannie Chen now, David and Diane Stephie

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<v Speaker 1>research fellow at the Hoover Institution. Maybe our favorite political

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<v Speaker 1>pundit that we ever have on the air, and he's

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<v Speaker 1>got a podcast will tell you about coming up, Lonie Chen,

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<v Speaker 1>Welcome to the arms Strong and get a show. So

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<v Speaker 1>I do I ask everybody this, I'm wondering how many

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<v Speaker 1>people actually watched the whole three hours, but it's less

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<v Speaker 1>than a million in the whole country. Do you watch

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<v Speaker 1>the whole three hours? Yeah? I mean I did good

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<v Speaker 1>for you that people usually drop off after the first

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<v Speaker 1>thirty to forty five minutes. I mean, that's that that

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<v Speaker 1>Just remembering from you know, when I did a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of work with CNN and they had the metrics on this,

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<v Speaker 1>it seems like most people can stick around for that

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<v Speaker 1>first half hour, then they go and get a pizza. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I'm glad you brought that up. So like when you

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<v Speaker 1>were prepping candidates, when you're working with either in you know,

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<v Speaker 1>Mitt Romney or or whoever else, Um, do you guys

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<v Speaker 1>know that and try to get your best stuff in

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<v Speaker 1>early knowing people are going to go away later. Oh yeah, absolutely,

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<v Speaker 1>I mean you you definitely wanted to make a strong

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<v Speaker 1>first impression and usually maybe front load whatever is most

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<v Speaker 1>newsworthy or whatever they perceived to be the most an

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<v Speaker 1>issue first. So for example, last night, we saw a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of healthcare earlyaking, a lot of healthcare early, and

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<v Speaker 1>so since they tend to do that. And then to

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<v Speaker 1>that point, I was watching the debate and I probably

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<v Speaker 1>watched two hours of it. Then I went to UH two,

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<v Speaker 1>started fast forward the clips I heard people talking about

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<v Speaker 1>on social media. But early on I thought Biden was

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<v Speaker 1>strong and made his points and separated himself from the

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<v Speaker 1>other candidates and got some shots in man his last

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<v Speaker 1>couple of answers, aside from his closing thought, which I

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<v Speaker 1>thought was fantastic and another real human moment um, his

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<v Speaker 1>last couple of answers were a rambling old man who

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<v Speaker 1>had been on stage for three hours. Yeah, no, I

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<v Speaker 1>think that's right. I think he started off strong and

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<v Speaker 1>performed well when he needed to perform well, which was

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<v Speaker 1>right as the debate got going. You're right, towards the

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<v Speaker 1>end it was rambling. Uh. You know, I I thought

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<v Speaker 1>that exchange with Julian Castro was the exchange of the debate. Um.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know if you've played it today, but the

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<v Speaker 1>one where basically Julean Castro accuses Biden of being old

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<v Speaker 1>uh and and you know, I didn't think it played

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<v Speaker 1>well for Castro obviously, but but for Itiden at least,

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<v Speaker 1>I thought it was probably his strongest debate to date. Yeah, which,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, when you've got a double digit lead and

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<v Speaker 1>you have your best debate, that's a pretty good position

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<v Speaker 1>to be in. Are are we really down to a

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<v Speaker 1>three person race? And uh and even the two that

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<v Speaker 1>are chasing Biden got to figure something out if they

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<v Speaker 1>want to beat him. Yeah, that sounds right to me.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you know, you've got Elizabeth Warren, Bernie Sanders,

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden, You've got a couple of other people who

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<v Speaker 1>could potentially make their way back into it at some point,

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<v Speaker 1>but the odds are beginning to look pretty slim for

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<v Speaker 1>people like Kamala Harris. Uh. Corey Booker would be another,

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<v Speaker 1>you know better. Rourke did have that moment you played,

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<v Speaker 1>but you know, his campaign is effectively done anyway. He's

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<v Speaker 1>always certain for a moment. Anyway, I'm going to go

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<v Speaker 1>to to curse words when I feel like I need

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<v Speaker 1>to to create a moment. It's the same playbook he

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<v Speaker 1>had when he ran for the Senate in Texas. And

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<v Speaker 1>by the way, what Beto Rourke did last night. Is

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<v Speaker 1>he basically guaranteed he'll never win statewide in Texas. He'll he'll,

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<v Speaker 1>he'll just not. He doesn't have a political future in

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<v Speaker 1>Texas given the position he has on guns. It's just

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<v Speaker 1>not gonna happen. Yeah, let's talk a little bit. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I was. I was going to bring up issues as

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<v Speaker 1>opposed to people, the issue of mandatory gun buybacks, and

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<v Speaker 1>and the moderator said, some critics would call that a confiscation.

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<v Speaker 1>That's because that's what it is, a confiscation. How does

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<v Speaker 1>America feel about confiscation of guns? Yeah, I mean, I

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<v Speaker 1>I still think in general you'll find that most Americans

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<v Speaker 1>probably don't like the idea. I think most Americans will

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<v Speaker 1>perceive themselves as being for sensible gun control. And I

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<v Speaker 1>the reason I used that phraseology is because what is

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<v Speaker 1>sensible obviously in the eye beholder. And you know, when

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<v Speaker 1>you talk about background checks, expanded background checks, you talk

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<v Speaker 1>about assault weapons, uh, some controls on that, limits on capacity,

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<v Speaker 1>things like that, I think people say, yeah, that makes

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<v Speaker 1>a lot of sense. Now, when you start to get

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<v Speaker 1>into policies which are even arguably confiscatory, then I think

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<v Speaker 1>you run into a little bit more difficult I think

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<v Speaker 1>people generally out there would say, yes, we need more

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<v Speaker 1>common sense control. But the defining common sense is really

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<v Speaker 1>the difficult part of this. And I don't think that

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<v Speaker 1>Beta or Rourke saying you know, yes, we're gonna come

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<v Speaker 1>after your A R fifteen, I don't know that that

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<v Speaker 1>is something that a majority of Americans would say, Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I agree with that policy. Talking with Lan heat Chen,

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<v Speaker 1>who you see on a variety of the big national shows, UM,

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<v Speaker 1>and he's also got a great podcast called Crossing Lines

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<v Speaker 1>with Lan hea Chen. The latest episode, Meet the Boss

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<v Speaker 1>features the new Congressional Budget Office director. UM. Maybe you

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<v Speaker 1>talk about that on your podcast, the budget and everything.

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<v Speaker 1>But not a lot of deficit talk on the debate

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<v Speaker 1>stage last night, of course, neither was there on the

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<v Speaker 1>Republican debate stage. Yeah, you know, it's one of those

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<v Speaker 1>things that we've talked about this before. I just don't

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<v Speaker 1>know that it's a topic that that resonates as much

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<v Speaker 1>as voters anymore. You know, I thought the interesting thing

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<v Speaker 1>last night is there wasn't a lot of talk about

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<v Speaker 1>the economy general, right, you know, there was some talk

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<v Speaker 1>about China and trade, but for for a topic that

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<v Speaker 1>really animates most voters decisions when they get to the

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<v Speaker 1>ballot box. To not spend more time on the economy

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<v Speaker 1>was disappointing, and I would have liked them to say

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<v Speaker 1>a little bit more about what they planned to do

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<v Speaker 1>on the economy. If the economy slows and we enter

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<v Speaker 1>into some kind of recession, what's their plan, what are

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<v Speaker 1>they gonna do? We didn't hear much about that. Now.

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<v Speaker 1>Part of that might be because they don't have a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of ideas for how to how to get out

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<v Speaker 1>of it that are particularly unique, and so maybe they

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<v Speaker 1>you know that the moderator's figured let's not talk about it.

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<v Speaker 1>But for such an important topic to spend such little

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<v Speaker 1>time is very interesting. I don't want to sound like

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<v Speaker 1>Julian Castro going after Biden's age, but he had a

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<v Speaker 1>couple of rambling old man answers, and he had some

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<v Speaker 1>sort of mouth tooth problem at some point that's become

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<v Speaker 1>a like a meme on the internet. I mean, those

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<v Speaker 1>are serious things to worry about, aren't they. Well, it

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<v Speaker 1>was I don't know if you've caught Corey Booker that

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<v Speaker 1>they Corey Booker had an interview I think it was

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<v Speaker 1>on CNN after they asked the debate, and he said

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<v Speaker 1>something which I thought, you know, was right. It was

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<v Speaker 1>sort of cringeworthy, but right. He said a lot of

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<v Speaker 1>Democrats are worried about Joe Biden's ability to get the

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<v Speaker 1>football across the goal. Lock Uh, because because it's like

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you can you can see him running and

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<v Speaker 1>running a running and at some point out, oh, he's stumbled.

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<v Speaker 1>To your point, I think that's the concern. His numbers

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<v Speaker 1>are durable. Joe Biden's numbers are pretty durable and still

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<v Speaker 1>got a lot of support. But you're right, there are

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<v Speaker 1>these moments where people are reminded that Joe Biden is,

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<v Speaker 1>first of all, who he is he has been his

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<v Speaker 1>whole political career. Who's somebody who you know, rambles and

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<v Speaker 1>and goes on tangents and isn't particularly focused. And then

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<v Speaker 1>the age issue does kind of come back into it

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<v Speaker 1>more subtly, and I thought Booker did that much more

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<v Speaker 1>effectively than Castro did during the debate. But then the

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<v Speaker 1>last question, which was you know, what, what have you overcome?

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<v Speaker 1>What's the biggest hurdle you've overcome, biggest setback you've ever

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<v Speaker 1>had to overcome, and Biden's answer about what's really important

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<v Speaker 1>in life and and and losing family and a car

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<v Speaker 1>wreck and the cancer and stuff. I thought there aren't

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<v Speaker 1>many politicians that can pull that off without sounding jivy,

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<v Speaker 1>and he can, Oh, absolutely, and and and you know,

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<v Speaker 1>it's an incredible life story. It's a tragic by the story,

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<v Speaker 1>and it's one which connects with people. You know, everybody's

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<v Speaker 1>experienced pain of some sort in their life and to

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<v Speaker 1>hear that and and and I think that resonates with people.

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<v Speaker 1>I think that's what makes ultimately what makes Joe Biden,

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<v Speaker 1>I think the front runner of the strongest candidate. It

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<v Speaker 1>makes his policy positioning. It's not even his ability to

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<v Speaker 1>be Trump. Really what it is this humanity. And I

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<v Speaker 1>think the more he connects with that humanity, that more

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<v Speaker 1>people will forgive him the rambling, they'll forgive him the stumbling,

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<v Speaker 1>they'll forgive him the thing that don't sound coherent, and

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<v Speaker 1>they'll realize that he's just a guy who wants to

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<v Speaker 1>to to do well for his country. And I think

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<v Speaker 1>that's something that will be very appealing come next November. Wow,

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<v Speaker 1>that's pretty good, right there, long Hea Chen, that's interesting.

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're right, um And and it really makes

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<v Speaker 1>Julian Castro attacking and make it look even worse. Yeah, well,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, it comes back to this question again, did

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<v Speaker 1>anybody realize Julian Castro was running for president? You know,

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<v Speaker 1>and it makes him look like a small man, which

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<v Speaker 1>which you know last night would suggest he is. Um

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<v Speaker 1>the part of the debate that made me the angriest,

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<v Speaker 1>And I just wonder why it works this way. You

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<v Speaker 1>got Jorge Ramos from Univision up there and he tries

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<v Speaker 1>to force Joe Biden in who apologizing for a Democrat

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<v Speaker 1>president deporting a few people because it was the law,

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<v Speaker 1>because we have illegals in this country. Why did the

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<v Speaker 1>questions come from at such an extreme point of view?

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<v Speaker 1>Or Ramas is clearly an advocate for illegal immigration. Well

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<v Speaker 1>remember the premise of these debates, his conflict the you know,

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<v Speaker 1>and this is not just I'm not just speaking about

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<v Speaker 1>the network that hosted last night. I'm saying any network

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<v Speaker 1>hosting any debate, they want to see fireworks. And so

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<v Speaker 1>the premise, the fundamental premise I think Ramos was going

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<v Speaker 1>after the same premise you're going to see future money,

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<v Speaker 1>which is, will Joe Biden draw a distance from Barack Obama?

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<v Speaker 1>Joe Biden disavow things that he was part of during

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<v Speaker 1>the Obama administration that progresses in Democrats now feel is

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<v Speaker 1>passing a bad policy, and so that's what he was

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<v Speaker 1>trying to do. And but I think it's not the

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<v Speaker 1>last time it's gonna happen. You're gonna see plenty more

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<v Speaker 1>efforts in the future to separate and distance Joe Biden

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<v Speaker 1>from Barack Obama. Unfortunately, I think for the networks, Barack

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<v Speaker 1>Obama remains very, very popular, and it's gonna be tough

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<v Speaker 1>to get Biden to really disavow things that he did

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<v Speaker 1>during the Obama administration. But that's a dynamic that we're

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<v Speaker 1>seeing there. They're trying to get separation, they're trying to

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<v Speaker 1>get conflict, and I would expect to see it again.

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<v Speaker 1>The podcast is called Crossing Lines with Lana heat Chin.

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<v Speaker 1>Got a new episode called Meet the Boss we just

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<v Speaker 1>told you about with the Congressional Budget Officer Office Director,

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<v Speaker 1>and more episodes on the way. Lan he Chin, thanks

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<v Speaker 1>for your time today, Thanks for having me. Have a

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<v Speaker 1>great weekend. You bet you. I think he's absolutely right

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<v Speaker 1>about that. When when Biden does his real human moments

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<v Speaker 1>like he did at the end of the debate, there,

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<v Speaker 1>the sort of stuff that, like I keep saying, Hillary

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<v Speaker 1>Clinton couldn't come within a hundred miles off. Then he'll

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<v Speaker 1>be forgiven a little bit for some of his old

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<v Speaker 1>man's stumbles in the same way you might be uh,

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<v Speaker 1>you know, you're you're, you're okay with your your grandfather

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<v Speaker 1>or whoever. Uh, you'll you'll excuse some of the old

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<v Speaker 1>person stuff that they struggle with because you like him.

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<v Speaker 1>My grandparents don't have nuclear codes as far as you know. Um, yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>I got I'll tell you what. I just keep picturing

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<v Speaker 1>him giving that long, rambling answer where he went from

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<v Speaker 1>phonographs to Venezuelan back on a stage with Trump and

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<v Speaker 1>Trump turning toward the audience and say, well you think

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<v Speaker 1>of that, and just and just killing with that moment.

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<v Speaker 1>But we'll see, we'll see a strong and getty