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Speaker 2: Oh you can. Actually it was a tourist attraction. The

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Speaker 2: reactors from a physics standpoint, cannot do the same thing

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Speaker 2: that a weapon can, so two totally different physics reactions. Now,

434
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Speaker 2: when it comes to the aging infrastructure of existing reactors,

435
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Speaker 2: that's I'm really happy you brought this up because a

436
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Speaker 2: lot of these reactors we're seeing that are you know

437
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Speaker 2: and kind of getting to this old point, are doing

438
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Speaker 2: this awesome thing where they're continuing to refurbish and continuing

439
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Speaker 2: to upgrade their facilities. So throughout a nuclear power plant's lifetime,

440
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Speaker 2: we've seeing power plants increase the amount of electricity they

441
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Speaker 2: can generate through power uprates, and most of them when

442
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Speaker 2: they were first built, we're only intended to last for

443
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Speaker 2: about forty years. Now, we have plants that have been

444
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Speaker 2: operating sixty years. We're seeing plants apply for license extensions

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Speaker 2: out to eighty years. And I'm going to bring up

446
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Speaker 2: like the Nuclear Regulatory Commission here because this is where

447
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Speaker 2: they play a pretty influential role in ensuring. Hey, if

448
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Speaker 2: we're granting you a license extension, it's because this plant

449
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Speaker 2: has the appropriate equipment in everything to go along with it, right,

450
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Speaker 2: And we've seen stuff that has that initial forty year

451
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Speaker 2: lifespan get replaced. That is incredibly challenging.

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Speaker 1: Hard, is it too? I grew up in Miami, so

453
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Speaker 1: Turkey Point was the biggest reactor in South Florida. And

454
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Speaker 1: it's still going. It's still important. It's still, frankly, always

455
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Speaker 1: something that everybody gets nervous about when a hurricane shows up,

456
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Speaker 1: right for obvious reasons down there. But I believe Eve

457
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Speaker 1: it got an extension. I'm not. I think what you're

458
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Speaker 1: just just talking about, what are the difficulties in a

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Speaker 1: forty year old let's say a nuclear power plant built

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Speaker 1: in the seventies, right when operational, say late seventies, early eighties.

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Speaker 1: You know what's more feasible retrofitting an older reactor or

462
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Speaker 1: starting or building a brand new one.

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Speaker 2: It's hard to compare the two, just because like your

464
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Speaker 2: designs from the sixties and the seventies and the eighties

465
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Speaker 2: is totally different than the designs we would be building now. Right.

466
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Speaker 2: It builds upon the same physics, but like some of

467
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Speaker 2: the mechanisms are just totally different. So we're seeing sort

468
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Speaker 2: of this discussion happening right now where a lot of

469
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Speaker 2: these reactors are being restarted. Right, So, I'm working on

470
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Speaker 2: three Mile Island Unit one, which is not the unit

471
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Speaker 2: that had the partial meltdown in nineteen seventy nine that

472
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Speaker 2: I think everybody kind of like automatically goes when they

473
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Speaker 2: hear through Mile Island, Right, this is the unit.

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Speaker 1: That is that where you're working now is three Mile out.

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Speaker 2: That's one of the sites I work on. So I'm

476
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Speaker 2: technically corporate, so I work on two different units, and

477
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Speaker 2: three Mindlineland Unit one is one of them. So I'm

478
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Speaker 2: there at the site frequently, but I'm not based out

479
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Speaker 2: of there. But okay, that unit kept operating until twenty

480
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Speaker 2: nineteen and then it was shut down, and five years

481
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Speaker 2: later it was announced that it was going to be restarting,

482
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Speaker 2: and we're seeing that happen in a couple of different states.

483
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Speaker 2: Michigan is restarting a nuclear reactor and so is Iowa.

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Speaker 1: Actually, and is this all due to demand? I mean,

485
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Speaker 1: is this all due to we have demand issues? We've

486
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Speaker 1: got that. You know, we can talk about the data

487
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Speaker 1: centers and this idea of floating portable nuclear power plants.

488
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Speaker 1: We'll get to that in a minute, but I don't

489
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Speaker 1: want to get ahead of ourselves. But it really is

490
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Speaker 1: just sort of we have grid demand and we needed

491
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Speaker 1: these extra resources. Okay.

492
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Speaker 2: Ultimately, ultimately it is demand is the highest thing, and

493
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Speaker 2: AI and data centers is really one of the driving

494
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Speaker 2: factors because two of those three restarts is being driven

495
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Speaker 2: by power purchase agreements with people who plan to build

496
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Speaker 2: data centers nearby, right, So that is a really big

497
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Speaker 2: driving factor there. And I think ultimately people are also

498
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Speaker 2: expressly interested in nuclear because it's clean and because it's reliable.

499
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Speaker 2: They don't have to worry about the outside weather, you know,

500
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Speaker 2: they know that that power is going to be always on,

501
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Speaker 2: always there, and always ready. That's that's like one of

502
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Speaker 2: the best parts of having a nuclear power plant. So yeah,

503
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Speaker 2: so in that capacity, we're seeing these nuclear reactors get restarted. Right,

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Speaker 2: So this I think brings up going back to your

505
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Speaker 2: original question of like, okay, upgrading and refurbishing versus building

506
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Speaker 2: completely new, right, upgrading and refurbishing in scenarios like t

507
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Speaker 2: m I Unit one, which is now the Crane Clean

508
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Speaker 2: Energy Center there remain right.

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Speaker 1: Sorry, you're good, Okay, I appreciate it.

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Speaker 2: And that's why I just said, like I was like, okay,

511
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Speaker 2: that's Unit one. It's being renamed to Crane, so if

512
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Speaker 2: you hear me call it Crane now, no, it's all

513
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Speaker 2: the same thing. But you know, with a site like

514
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Speaker 2: that that is only slightly into the decommissioning process, there

515
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Speaker 2: isn't a ton of work that needs to be done

516
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Speaker 2: to bring it back online versus building a completely new plant.

517
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Speaker 2: So that's the interesting thing that right now we're kind

518
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Speaker 2: of like running out of reactors that are in restartable condition.

519
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Speaker 2: Others that shut down in like that twenty twelve and

520
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Speaker 2: earlier timeframe likely would be the prime places to look at,

521
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Speaker 2: Hey can we just build a whole new one here?

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Speaker 1: So it's what's that line, like, is it where it's

523
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Speaker 1: no longer feasible to do a restart. And what do

524
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Speaker 1: you do with with a reactor that you can't restart

525
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Speaker 1: but you really can't do anything else with it, can you?

526
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean you can decommission them. So that's and

527
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Speaker 2: I mean that's exactly what's happening with them.

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Speaker 1: And then what happens when you decommission What does that mean?

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Speaker 1: Walk me?

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Speaker 2: Okay, So decommissioning is essentially breaking down the plant. You're

531
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Speaker 2: selling maybe some parts that are able to be sold

532
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Speaker 2: to other facilities to be reused if they're in that

533
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Speaker 2: type of condition. It's getting rid of any type of

534
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Speaker 2: waste material that could exist, all types of spent nuclear fuel,

535
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Speaker 2: which is what most people think of when I say

536
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Speaker 2: like waste. Right, spent nuclear fuel is stored in dry

537
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Speaker 2: casks and throughout that time, typically they're left on site,

538
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Speaker 2: but by the end of the decommissioning process, these sites

539
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Speaker 2: are literally just brought back to green grasslands like it's

540
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Speaker 2: brought back to just a field. The only thing that

541
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Speaker 2: may remain is these spent nuclear fuel casks, these dry casks,

542
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Speaker 2: which are just giant concrete cylinders, right, But they can

543
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Speaker 2: also get transported to a different site for security's sake,

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Speaker 2: because you have to have security, like a security.

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Speaker 1: Force with that, and it will create these super sized animals.

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Speaker 1: Don't kidding, right right? This is the fuel for every

547
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Speaker 1: comic book, the fuel for every comic book. You know,

548
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Speaker 1: I was raised by wolves near a decommission nuclear power

549
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Speaker 1: plant and I got these amazing powers, right See.

550
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Speaker 2: But you also have Iron Man that makes a minuturized

551
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Speaker 2: reactor that powers his super cool suit. So you got

552
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Speaker 2: it on both ways. It's awesome.

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Speaker 1: So when you know how many reactors are we in

554
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Speaker 1: the middle of decommissioning.

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Speaker 2: At the moment, decommissioning exactly in the United States, I

556
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Speaker 2: wouldn't know that exact number. Yeah, that would that that

557
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Speaker 2: would vary. There's three that are getting restarted right now

558
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Speaker 2: in ninety four that are currently operating, gotcha.

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Speaker 1: And the three that have been restarting I know through

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Speaker 1: Mile Alan is one you mentioned one in Michigan. How

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Speaker 1: long were they in the decommissioned process, Like, is there

562
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Speaker 1: a certain past where you get to the process where

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Speaker 1: you're sort of that's a point of no return.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, they weren't very far into the decommissioning process. So

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Speaker 2: I mentioned crane was only in it for about five years.

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Speaker 2: Plisades actually shut down and they had a very unusual

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Speaker 2: scenarioge the Michigan Michigan. Yeah, okay, thank you for I

568
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Speaker 2: gotta make sure I get those. So Palisades had a

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Speaker 2: little bit of a different scenario where they shut down

570
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Speaker 2: and they kind of knew they wanted to restart like

571
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Speaker 2: pretty quickly, so they really didn't get super far into

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Speaker 2: decommissioning at all, and I mean maybe six months if that,

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Speaker 2: Dwayne Arnold I would say is comparable to the Crane

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Speaker 2: Clean Energy Center where it was like four or five

575
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Speaker 2: years into decommissioning.

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Speaker 1: Which one's Dwayne Arnold, Where's that?

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Speaker 2: That's the Iowa one?

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Speaker 1: Iowa Okay, yep.

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Speaker 2: So that one's outside of is it cedar rapids? Cedar rapids? Yeah? Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And that one they're trying to restart as well.

581
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Speaker 2: That one is being restarted.

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Speaker 1: That is that is driven by AI data center need

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Speaker 1: is that one not.

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Speaker 2: All three of those? Uh? The dwayn Arnold one is

585
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Speaker 2: a power purchase agreement with a hyperscaler of some kind

586
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Speaker 2: and saying with the Crane Clean Energy Center. But it's

587
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Speaker 2: it's really unique because what I think is kind of cool.

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Speaker 2: So the Crane Clean Energy Center at least, you know,

589
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Speaker 2: I don't know the details, so like just putting that

590
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Speaker 2: out there very explicitly, but I think that there is

591
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Speaker 2: a really good recognition going on that this power is

592
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Speaker 2: not like directly connected to a data center. It still

593
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Speaker 2: goes out to the grid. It still is getting accessed

594
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Speaker 2: by by residents in the area and everything, which is

595
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Speaker 2: going to be really I think influential in deciding what

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Speaker 2: happens when we have not enough energy to meet energy demands,

597
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Speaker 2: because then grid operators can do their job and get

598
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Speaker 2: electricity to people's homes and residences, prioritizing over over other facilities.

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Speaker 2: So it'll be interesting, I think, like to see how

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Speaker 2: that all plays out in the world around us.

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Speaker 1: So there's these I think it's Wyoming is going to

602
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Speaker 1: try a portable reactor, right, it's just the one funded

603
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Speaker 1: by Bill Gates? Am I getting this correctly?

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Speaker 2: So Wyoming is building a advanced reactor, is what I

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Speaker 2: would say. I wouldn't call it a portable reactor though, Okay.

606
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Speaker 1: Tell me, yeah, it's supposedly smaller, nimble, what currect? I

607
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Speaker 1: said portable? Why why am I using the phrase portable.

608
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Speaker 1: What is it? You know, why does it get that name,

609
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Speaker 1: or at least why why is that description?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, so small modular reactors is like a really big

611
00:33:09,520 --> 00:33:12,280
Speaker 2: thing right now, right, I feel like everybody's talking about them,

612
00:33:13,240 --> 00:33:16,800
Speaker 2: and basically they're just miniaturized nuclear reactors. Now, like to

613
00:33:17,040 --> 00:33:21,360
Speaker 2: put miniaturized into concept is you're still probably going to

614
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Speaker 2: be using up about the size of a football field

615
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Speaker 2: for like the full facility, maybe a little more, maybe

616
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Speaker 2: a little less, depending on the design, because there's like

617
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Speaker 2: eighty different SMR designs out there right. Small modular reactors

618
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Speaker 2: as SMR, so it's a smaller design and it's meant

619
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Speaker 2: to have an easily manufacturable benefit. So I like to

620
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Speaker 2: kind of describe, you know, your large light water reactors

621
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Speaker 2: that we have operating today and that are getting restarted,

622
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Speaker 2: and all of these things are kind of like you're

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Speaker 2: walking into a house and you're building custom cabinets for

624
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Speaker 2: your kitchen, right, Like you are planning out every detail

625
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Speaker 2: to make sure everything is perfectly matched. And all of

626
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Speaker 2: this versus an SMR is and this is like an

627
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:06,440
Speaker 2: over exaggeration, right, but SMR is kind of like going

628
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Speaker 2: to Ikea and you're buying a box of reassembled parts

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Speaker 2: and you go ahead and you assemble it on the site.

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Speaker 2: So it's a little bit more of like a standardized

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Speaker 2: modularized production for small modular reactors, which is going to help.

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Speaker 1: Bring as successful has these been, like where has this been? Is? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I mean where are these popping up?

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Speaker 2: Yeah? So, first of all, they're already in our nuclear navy,

635
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Speaker 2: which I think is good to mention it's a little

636
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Speaker 2: bit different, but small modular reactors are in our navy

637
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Speaker 2: with our nuclear submarines and our aircraft carriers. Right commercially, though,

638
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Speaker 2: they are still brand new in the United States, like

639
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Speaker 2: there is no there's no operating small modular reactor here

640
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Speaker 2: in the United States, and they're still relatively new worldwide.

641
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Speaker 2: They're under construction in Canada, they're they've gotten the green

642
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Speaker 2: light in Poland and in a couple of other countries

643
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Speaker 2: as well. But it is exciting because like there's versions

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Speaker 2: of research reactors that produce small amounts of power. Having

645
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Speaker 2: like a small nuclear reactor isn't a foreign concept in

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Speaker 2: any capacity, it's just on the commercial side of things.

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Speaker 2: It's just the first time it's getting enough movement that

648
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Speaker 2: nuclear in the United States is seeing a public acceptance

649
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Speaker 2: of advanced reactors for the first time in thirty years.

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Speaker 1: Well, it feels like a baby step, which probably it

651
00:35:20,400 --> 00:35:22,800
Speaker 1: kind of do makes people feel a little bit better

652
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Speaker 1: that it feels like, well, it's you know, sort of

653
00:35:25,400 --> 00:35:29,239
Speaker 1: the joke small dogs, small accidents, big dogs, big accidents. Right,

654
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Speaker 1: you know, maybe the same thing with nuclear reactors. But

655
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Speaker 1: let me ask you this, what's the So what's the

656
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Speaker 1: time frame from approval to build one to getting it online?

657
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Speaker 1: For Yeah, for n Essma.

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Speaker 2: I I personally my opinion, I don't think we should

659
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Speaker 2: be building SMRs like tomorrow because I do still think

660
00:35:50,280 --> 00:35:54,360
Speaker 2: they're a good amount of time off from being fully ready.

661
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Speaker 1: And that's my person I think this is a technology

662
00:35:57,320 --> 00:35:58,839
Speaker 1: that's quite ready for prime time.

663
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Speaker 2: It's not it's not licensed by there's no licensed in

664
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Speaker 2: RC design yet. And if you want to build a

665
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Speaker 2: reactor tomorrow, your first step is looking at ones that

666
00:36:06,680 --> 00:36:10,800
Speaker 2: are licensed by the NRC, right by the Nuclear Regulatory Commission.

667
00:36:10,960 --> 00:36:14,040
Speaker 2: So and right now we've got advanced reactors that are

668
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Speaker 2: not small modular reactors that are licensed by the NRC

669
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Speaker 2: that have been built. So I talk a lot. I

670
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Speaker 2: think it's good to bring up like Vocal three and four,

671
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Speaker 2: which is the two most recently constructed units in the

672
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Speaker 2: United States. They were first. They pretty much it took

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Speaker 2: thirty years to get a new unit to come online,

674
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Speaker 2: like from the last time a new unit came online

675
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Speaker 2: to when these came online. And they're just outside of Augusta, Georgia.

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Speaker 2: So if you like golf, you know the Master's golf

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Speaker 1: Uh, that's the one that Obama approved, Right, that's the

679
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Speaker 1: one he green lit, right.

680
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Speaker 2: That one that I think that was Okay, Yeah, then

681
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Speaker 2: it could have been that one. I think that was

682
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Speaker 2: before his time, but I could.

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Speaker 1: Be it was one near Savannah. Why do I think

684
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Speaker 1: there's one?

685
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Speaker 2: Yeah, there was one in South Carolina as well. But

686
00:36:59,760 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: so so this is a AP one thousand design is

687
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Speaker 2: what it's called. And it still is creating, you know,

688
00:37:05,719 --> 00:37:09,600
Speaker 2: a thousand megawatts of electricity. It's creating large amounts of energy.

689
00:37:09,840 --> 00:37:13,319
Speaker 2: It's a large light water reactor. But here's the thing.

690
00:37:13,520 --> 00:37:16,560
Speaker 2: We have the supply chain, we have the workforce, we

691
00:37:16,640 --> 00:37:19,640
Speaker 2: have so many lessons learned from those two units being

692
00:37:19,680 --> 00:37:22,279
Speaker 2: built that, in my opinion, what we should be doing

693
00:37:22,320 --> 00:37:26,200
Speaker 2: here is looking at building any like one type of

694
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Speaker 2: nuclear reactor, get it a little bit more standardized, get

695
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Speaker 2: better at building them in the United States, because we

696
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Speaker 2: haven't done it in so long, and we're kind of

697
00:37:34,760 --> 00:37:37,560
Speaker 2: fit like it's it's not in our skill set right now.

698
00:37:37,600 --> 00:37:39,680
Speaker 2: Other countries are doing a heck of a lot better

699
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Speaker 2: than us, So we've got to kind of rebuild that

700
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Speaker 2: skill set using existing technology that doesn't have some slight

701
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702
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Speaker 2: looking at like small modular reactor technology and things like that.

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733
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Speaker 2: Nuclear is dangerous. That's like the number one that is

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Speaker 2: easiest to debunk. In my opinion, when you look at

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Speaker 2: all nuclear disasters or negative things that are associated with nuclear,

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739
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Speaker 2: those a little bit of them. Yeah, when I look

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Speaker 2: at any other type of energy source, you can find

741
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742
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Speaker 2: of a scarier sort of scenario of death per kill,

743
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Speaker 2: a lot that's generated. So in my personal look at nuclear,

744
00:40:20,040 --> 00:40:22,279
Speaker 2: I had this similar question. I had this similar sort

745
00:40:22,280 --> 00:40:25,600
Speaker 2: of existential crisis when I was a junior in college

746
00:40:25,600 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: and starting to look at jobs and like trying to

747
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Speaker 2: figure out, Okay, how good of healthcare do I really need? Right? Like,

748
00:40:29,920 --> 00:40:32,360
Speaker 2: am I doomed to get cancer? Like what's this actually

749
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Speaker 2: going to look like? And I pulled up like the

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Speaker 2: OSHA's debts for twenty twenty three, And I'll never forget

751
00:40:38,120 --> 00:40:41,600
Speaker 2: because working at a nuclear power plant, in comparison to

752
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Speaker 2: every other industry in the United States, there were only

753
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Speaker 2: six industries that were safer than working at a nuclear

754
00:40:48,719 --> 00:40:52,480
Speaker 2: power plant, and it was things like data analytics and accounting,

755
00:40:52,560 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 2: so like desk jobs, meaning it's more dangerous to send

756
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Speaker 2: your kid to work at the grocery store when they're

757
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Speaker 2: sixteen years old than it is to go work at

758
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Speaker 2: a nuclear power plant. And I love like now working

759
00:41:07,120 --> 00:41:10,080
Speaker 2: in the industry. It's really incredible seeing the level of

760
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:14,640
Speaker 2: safety and integrity that's always encouraged. A questioning attitude is

761
00:41:14,640 --> 00:41:17,360
Speaker 2: one thing we talk a lot about where I feel

762
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Speaker 2: like in other industries you might have like this culture

763
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Speaker 2: of like, well, you know, he's the expert, so like

764
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Speaker 2: trust him, right, But it's so strongly encouraged in the

765
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Speaker 2: nuclear industry that, like if you are the INTERN and

766
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Speaker 2: you think the CEO said something that could maybe lead

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Speaker 2: to a two percent chance of something happening that we

768
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Speaker 2: don't want to see, ask a question like point it out,

769
00:41:41,719 --> 00:41:45,719
Speaker 2: bring it up. That is highly highly encouraged amongst the

770
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Speaker 2: many other defense in depth that we have in terms

771
00:41:48,880 --> 00:41:52,440
Speaker 2: of like our actual designs for the physical status of

772
00:41:52,480 --> 00:41:55,960
Speaker 2: the plants. It's a ton of fun. So I think

773
00:41:56,200 --> 00:41:59,400
Speaker 2: I personally have seen looked at it. Nuclear to me

774
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,520
Speaker 2: is the safest form of energy generation, and I think

775
00:42:02,560 --> 00:42:03,759
Speaker 2: it's incredible.

776
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Speaker 1: And it's incredibly clean. I mean you know that, you know,

777
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:09,760
Speaker 1: it's very interesting. The environmental community has always been divided

778
00:42:09,800 --> 00:42:11,880
Speaker 1: on this. I got a one of my oldest friends

779
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:13,640
Speaker 1: has been at Sierra Club for a long time, and

780
00:42:14,080 --> 00:42:16,520
Speaker 1: it's a it's a debate inside of the air club right

781
00:42:17,360 --> 00:42:21,960
Speaker 1: in the clean clean energy advocates basically divide it almost

782
00:42:22,239 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 1: right down the middle. Uh K on nuclear. I'm sure

783
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Speaker 1: you've you've discovered this yourself, and it's a you know,

784
00:42:28,719 --> 00:42:31,879
Speaker 1: it feels like it's a it's the divide between those

785
00:42:31,880 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: that believe technology is we'll figure it out and those

786
00:42:36,040 --> 00:42:38,760
Speaker 1: that are very skeptical of industry.

787
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Speaker 2: Mm hmm. Yeah, Okay, I have to I I could

788
00:42:43,320 --> 00:42:45,799
Speaker 2: be wrong on this, so verify me or if you've

789
00:42:45,800 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 2: heard about this too, because the Sierra Club, I thought

790
00:42:48,080 --> 00:42:50,799
Speaker 2: I remember seeing something a while back about like one

791
00:42:50,840 --> 00:42:53,560
Speaker 2: of the Sierra Club leaders like apologizing for being so

792
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Speaker 2: harsh against nuclear and they kind of walk.

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Speaker 1: I can't remember if it was a club or LCV,

794
00:42:57,600 --> 00:43:00,160
Speaker 1: but yes, I believe it's a lot of them. No,

795
00:43:00,239 --> 00:43:02,640
Speaker 1: there's always been this and it's a real debate, and

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00:43:02,719 --> 00:43:05,000
Speaker 1: I think now you do you know it used to

797
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Speaker 1: be if you were an advocate of nuclear, you weren't

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Speaker 1: allowed into the environmental community, right, like type of thing.

799
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Speaker 1: Now I don't think there, you know, it is not

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Speaker 1: that you know, you can be considered pro clean energy

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00:43:15,280 --> 00:43:17,799
Speaker 1: and pro nuclear at the same time. Not everybody loves it,

802
00:43:17,880 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: but I feel like it's a little less of a

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00:43:20,840 --> 00:43:24,960
Speaker 1: I mean, look, the other issue that surrounds nuclear is

804
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Speaker 1: the where what to do with the waste? Right, And

805
00:43:27,719 --> 00:43:30,439
Speaker 1: we've had you know, before you were born, we've had

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Speaker 1: debates about Yukam out right, and you know, I could

807
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Speaker 1: make a large case and that you know, the middle

808
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Speaker 1: of the Nevada desert isn't as bad place to have

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Speaker 1: this and it won't impact people that live in Las

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Speaker 1: Vegas or Reno. But good luck convincing people of Nevada

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Speaker 1: of that.

812
00:43:48,040 --> 00:43:51,440
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, no, I completely agree like that, that's a

813
00:43:51,520 --> 00:43:53,759
Speaker 2: politics at the end of the day. But when it

814
00:43:53,800 --> 00:43:56,480
Speaker 2: comes to storing spent nuclear fuel, which is that question

815
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Speaker 2: of what about the waste one, like I come back

816
00:44:00,480 --> 00:44:02,520
Speaker 2: to the statement of it's not a science problem, it's

817
00:44:02,560 --> 00:44:06,760
Speaker 2: a policy problem. So deep geological repositories are what people

818
00:44:06,840 --> 00:44:11,320
Speaker 2: have talked about and is what was proposed for Yucca Mountain. Essentially,

819
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Speaker 2: I also think it's good to talk about the Waste

820
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Speaker 2: Isolation Power Plant in New Mexico, which is where the

821
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Speaker 2: military stores all of their spent they're all of their

822
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Speaker 2: nuclear waste. Right. That is a deep geological repository that

823
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Speaker 2: is in existence, operating with the United States. It's just

824
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Speaker 2: not usable by the commercial world. It's only for military use. Right.

825
00:44:30,160 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 2: So this is not like something that is not being done.

826
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Speaker 2: It's scientifically possible. It is actively happening. We just don't

827
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Speaker 2: have a place for commercial or industry spent nuclear fuel. Now,

828
00:44:42,880 --> 00:44:45,520
Speaker 2: then we can look at other things that can actually

829
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,799
Speaker 2: be done with the spent nuclear fuel before putting into

830
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Speaker 2: a deep geological repository. Reprocessing is a big thing. You

831
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Speaker 2: can actually recycle spent nuclear fuel. You can reuse ninety

832
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Speaker 2: to ninety five percent a bit. That is actively happening

833
00:45:00,160 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 2: in France, in China, in Russia like it's it's happening.

834
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Speaker 2: So there's plenty, plenty of solutions.

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Speaker 1: We just have you hoping that The twenty twenty eight

836
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Speaker 1: presidential campaign features multiple candidates who are advocates of expansion

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Speaker 1: of nuclear power.

838
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Speaker 2: I think we've already actually seen that across the plast

839
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Speaker 2: two administrations. I think it's really kind of an exciting

840
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Speaker 2: time because we have relatively bipartisan support for nuclear energy

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00:45:27,560 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 2: at the federal level, and.

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Speaker 1: We also and there's also a need. I mean, you know,

843
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Speaker 1: it's not a it's not a nice to have anymore,

844
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Speaker 1: it's a it's a need to have.

845
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Speaker 2: Yeah, ultimately, ultimately, and I mean, I think right now

846
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Speaker 2: one of the things that is really going to start

847
00:45:41,239 --> 00:45:43,879
Speaker 2: being prevalent in the United States is we're seeing these

848
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Speaker 2: other countries that are so much more aggressively pursuing nuclear

849
00:45:48,000 --> 00:45:51,320
Speaker 2: and we're just not, you know, we're we're lagging behind

850
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Speaker 2: on this. And I think that's going to really start

851
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Speaker 2: being competitive. And you know, because Americans we like to

852
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Speaker 2: try to be the best at ever win, right That's

853
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Speaker 2: just kind of how role. But I think that, uh,

854
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:05,000
Speaker 2: it's going to be really interesting in the next presidential

855
00:46:05,040 --> 00:46:07,319
Speaker 2: election because I know that energy is going to be

856
00:46:07,520 --> 00:46:11,239
Speaker 2: a huge point of conversation. You know, it already kind

857
00:46:11,280 --> 00:46:12,839
Speaker 2: of is at this point, but I think that that's

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Speaker 2: going to be one of the primary items at this point.

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Speaker 1: Well, and I'll be curious to see I think, you know,

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Speaker 1: it becomes you know, it's always sort of when you

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Speaker 1: when you go against type, if you're a D or

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Speaker 1: an R and you go against type, whatever that is, right.

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Speaker 1: Donald Trump went against type when he came out being

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Speaker 1: a big advocate of social security and Medicare and he

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Speaker 1: wasn't going to touch it and that that quote unquote

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Speaker 1: went against type and it and it helped win over

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Speaker 1: some swing voters that maybe weren't thinking about him. If

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Speaker 1: a demo major Democratic candidate becomes the pro nuclear energy candidate,

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Speaker 1: you know, in a primary, right, that becomes goes against type,

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Speaker 1: and I think it gives there's an opportunity for said

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Speaker 1: candidate to distinguish themselves if they become become that real advocate.

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Speaker 1: We'll see, as you say, there's certainly more acceptance that

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Speaker 1: it's part of the solution. The question is who's going

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Speaker 1: to embrace it and say no, no, no, no, we're going to

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Speaker 1: lean into this in a way that we haven't leaned

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Speaker 1: into it in a long time.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Absolutely, I don't go ahead.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, let me get you out of here on this. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: Homer Simpson, good or bad for nuclear for the for

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Speaker 1: the for nuclear for the for the perception of nuclear energy.

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Speaker 2: Okay, bad for the perception, but good for the reason

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Speaker 2: that it gets conversations going, because you know what, if

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Speaker 2: you ask me about Homer Simpsons, great, let's talk about it,

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Speaker 2: and let's talk about all the other awesome things that

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Speaker 2: nuclear has. So you know, it's so funny.

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Speaker 1: We're a product, right, We're all We're all a product

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Speaker 1: of our own perception. And Matt Grinney, right, he's a

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Speaker 1: little bit older than I am, but you know that

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Speaker 1: means you know, his coming of age moment as an

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Speaker 1: adult was three mile or three mile Island, right, you know,

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Speaker 1: so it is one of those where your personal experiences

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Speaker 1: can have a huge impact. And as you said with Fukajima,

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Speaker 1: if you don't know it, then it doesn't bother. It

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Speaker 1: isn't going to be the immediate You might not view

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Speaker 1: something negatively before positively, and that that's probably how the

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Speaker 1: Simpsons became such a Yeah, is it? Are the Simpsons that?

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Speaker 1: Do Folks in the nuclear industry hate Matt Greenig for this?

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Speaker 2: No? Now, I mean, like I think some people are

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Speaker 2: like really angsty about it, but I mean I'm kind

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Speaker 2: of at the point where I'm like, it really does

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Speaker 2: start conversations, and you know what, his reactor is still running.

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Speaker 2: So like, if anything that means something, you know, there

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Speaker 2: you go. So it's something that I think is fine.

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Speaker 1: Well, it was great to get to know you. Are

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Speaker 1: you are. Look, you're working in the industry. Are you

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Speaker 1: doing your own social media, doing your own advocacy outside?

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Speaker 1: If so, tell me where people can find more information.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, absolutely so. I'm on most social media platforms. Instagram

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Speaker 2: and LinkedIn are probably my two biggest ones. My Instagram

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Speaker 2: handle is at Grace dot stanky. It's still my maiden

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Speaker 2: name and I'm trying to get it switched over, but

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Speaker 2: if you look up Grace vander High it should still

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Speaker 2: show up. And then on LinkedIn, I am Grace vander

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Speaker 2: High there, so feel free to follow, and I post

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Speaker 2: sorts of fun nuclear content and pictures of my dog

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Speaker 2: as well, so be warned.

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Speaker 1: And you're I assume you're contractually obligated to be a

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Speaker 1: Packer fan if you grew up in Wisconsin.

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Speaker 2: Oh my god, yeah, I gladly, yes, always.

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Speaker 1: Well, we're taping on a day that has been a

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Speaker 1: troubling twenty four hours for our beloved Packers. Yes, too

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Speaker 1: many injuries, but hey, hope springs eternal, so hopefully by

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Speaker 1: the time people start to see this, the packers of

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Speaker 1: our division champs. They've put the Bears in their proper place.

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Speaker 2: And uh oh yeah we can go from there.

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Speaker 1: Hey, Grace, it was great to get to know you.

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Speaker 2: Awesome, Thanks so much, Jock appreciated.