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Speaker 2: Mike Sando from The Athletic will be on. Plus we'll

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Speaker 2: have some stranger than fiction the NFL six pack two

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Speaker 1: Yes, before we get the first off, just a couple

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Speaker 1: of upsets in college football on Friday night. We have

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Speaker 1: a game going on at the as a matter of fact,

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Speaker 1: right now in the final seconds at Oregon State.

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Speaker 2: Maybe another overtime potentially.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, Florida State, number eight in the country, going down

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Speaker 1: earlier on Friday night to Virginia of all teams, Tony

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Speaker 1: Elliott squad coming up with a huge victory.

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Speaker 2: There was that one of the best field rushes you

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Speaker 2: had ever seen, timing wise, and also the massive humanity

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Speaker 2: They were right on top of it.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I don't know if the ACC has the

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Speaker 1: same rules as the SEC does when it comes to

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Speaker 1: field storming. The SEC will find schools I think to

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Speaker 1: a million million dollars or something like that, depending on

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Speaker 1: how many violations they've had. It is a pretty polarizing

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Speaker 1: topic for a lot of people whether or not you

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Speaker 1: should field storm and all that. I mean, if you

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Speaker 1: have the proper security in place, which most of the

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Speaker 1: time the schools don't. In the in the grand scheme

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Speaker 1: of things, I don't have the biggest issue with it.

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Speaker 1: But the problem is when it's just a sea of

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Speaker 1: get getting hurt.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, good luck regulating that. Regulators mounting up and turn

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Speaker 2: the other way, because you're not stopping this. Now. I've

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Speaker 2: seen worse at the professional level, not in the NFL,

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Speaker 2: in the NBA. This was back in nineteen eighty eight.

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Speaker 2: That's when the Lakers took down the Pistons. I believe,

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Speaker 2: I think seven Games Systems got them The next year

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Speaker 2: in eighty nine, went back to back beat Portland. After that,

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Speaker 2: when they won Game seven at the Forum in eighty eight,

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Speaker 2: Bill Lamber actually like has a three point shot. I

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Speaker 2: think that could have tied the game right and the crowd,

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Speaker 2: the LA crowd just stormed the court. They played defense

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Speaker 2: for their Lakers. I'm telling you.

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Speaker 1: You watch that now and it's like, what is this?

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Speaker 1: O couldn't happen to a nicer squad? The Detroit Piston

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Speaker 1: Bad Boys teams. I really don't have much sympathy for them,

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Speaker 1: to be honest with you.

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Speaker 2: Where's where's the rules? Here's where's the velvet gate to

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Speaker 2: stop these fans from controlling the ball game?

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Speaker 1: Who needs rules? Where were the rules when Kurt Rambas

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Speaker 1: got closelined?

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Speaker 2: Where were the rules when Bill Lambier got called for

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Speaker 2: that phantom foul? I'm Kareem abdul Jabbar on that hook

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Speaker 2: shot in that series.

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Speaker 1: I don't know what you're talking about.

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Speaker 2: Isaiah Thomas would go down. First of all, the reason

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Speaker 2: he's become so underrated is not just because MJ hated

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Speaker 2: him and that was magnified in the last dance. The

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Speaker 2: reason was he scored I think twenty four points in

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Speaker 2: Bill Lambert foul on kream Abdul Jabbar. I can't remember

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Speaker 2: for certain, a little bit before my time. But if

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Speaker 2: he wins that game, they win the championship. And that's

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Speaker 2: the all time most clutch performance maybe ever twenty four

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Speaker 2: in a fourth quarter to win the NBA Finals. That's

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Speaker 2: why Isaiah Thomas gets forgotten.

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Speaker 1: Sometimes Michael Jordan will still make you forget that and

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Speaker 2: The flu game, you know, and not being on the

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Speaker 1: as the coach of the Dream Team, which makes it

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Speaker 2: That's a great point. That's how much power MJ was wielding.

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Speaker 1: But enough about us waxing nostalgic about the nineteen eighties NBA.

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Speaker 1: Although we love doing that, I think it's time for

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Speaker 2: Still, that's wrong. What are the headlines on the starting quarterback?

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Speaker 2: We got a few of them. Yeah, a new starting quarterback?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, funny you ask pob. So the New York Giants

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Speaker 1: he the ex Super Bowl champion with the Seattle Seahawks.

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Speaker 2: Feels like such a long time ago that happened.

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Speaker 1: It really does, doesn't it.

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Speaker 2: And he probably should have went He should have went

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Speaker 2: back to back not probably no problems about it.

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Speaker 1: Well, I mean we could talk about the play call.

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Speaker 1: He was the one who threw the ball and got

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Speaker 1: It does fall on him. So the Giants are beinching

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Speaker 1: and many people asking the question Adham, I guess the

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Speaker 1: So I don't know how much you can really judge

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Speaker 2: If they were one and two, were they making this move?

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Speaker 1: I don't think so. Test with you. I think he

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Speaker 2: I think he'd be holding on and they'd wait for

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Speaker 2: the game against the Saints. It's not the best week

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Speaker 2: to do this. I did hear one theory. Even though

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Speaker 2: they're taking on the Chargers and their defense looks elite.

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Speaker 1: That is probably the reason number one why this is

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Speaker 1: not the best week to do it.

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Speaker 2: This is fair.

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Speaker 1: Not that I want anybody to be a lamb to

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Speaker 2: Somebody big brained it. I heard this theory that because

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Speaker 2: they're at least at home against the Chargers, they'll be

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Speaker 2: able to hear the snap counts, and he's better in

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Speaker 2: up tempo, so there won't be that deafening crowd stopping

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Speaker 2: should they go that direction.

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Speaker 1: We know that if that game was at Sofi Stadium,

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Speaker 2: Anyway, Kevin, how could you oh that is true?

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Speaker 1: I'm just saying, Brie, am I lying? Though you saw

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Speaker 2: Was that on the air or not?

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Speaker 2: That was just in our headsets? Exactly, Speak up. I

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Speaker 2: don't need to be afraid over here. Why are you

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Speaker 1: Now, Brie, there were so many orange jerseys representing the

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Speaker 1: Difver Broncos at Sofi Stadium. It was incredible.

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Speaker 2: You could hear it, yeah on the radio, our friend

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Speaker 2: Matt money Smith, voice of the Bolts. Of course, yes,

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Speaker 2: they were very much outnumbered.

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Speaker 1: So the Chargers have made some in roads, but obviously

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Speaker 1: But I'm just saying there's a lot of New Yorkers.

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Speaker 1: I live in Los Angeles, So to your point, Adham,

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Speaker 1: I don't know if the vibe will be that much

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Speaker 2: A second, well, that's not his point though. His point

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Speaker 2: was their next game is on the road in New Orleans,

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Speaker 2: and we know how loud they can get even when

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Speaker 1: Well, I feel like the sound is blunted when you

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Speaker 1: hear you as well when you oh, Bree, are you

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Speaker 1: offended by that? I'd be more offended by how the

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Speaker 1: Saints play. I'm a I am a toat defendant. Hey,

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Speaker 1: you guys, it's not that bad.

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Speaker 2: It could be worse. Okay, did you see what happened

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Speaker 2: more to say about that later in the NFL six Pack,

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Speaker 2: because that was an all time butt whoop in that

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Speaker 1: But I will say so, I don't think this has

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Speaker 1: it has everything to do with Brian day Ball and

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you're right about that. I also think it's possible

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Speaker 2: that Jackson Dart is just better than Russell Wilson at

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Speaker 2: and it's been a trend here, but the Giants offense

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Speaker 2: twenty yards, that's one to ten. They've been there seven

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Speaker 2: just can't convert. They're only scoring twenty percent of the

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Speaker 2: nothing underscores that more than that abomination of four down

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Speaker 2: the final throw of his NFL career. Maybe we'll get

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Speaker 1: Well, here's my thing too. If you're the Giants, and

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Speaker 1: I don't think realistically any of us believe that they

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Speaker 1: But if you did, and you're trying to salvage some

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Speaker 2: I don't know if it made sense to have Jamis

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Speaker 1: I mean, you can argue that, and maybe they wanted

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Speaker 2: I don't know, but Jackson Dart ended up getting the

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Speaker 2: number two slot on the depth chart.

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Speaker 1: Anyways, he did, he did, I guess my point is

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Speaker 1: and the Athletic did a really good ride up earlier

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Speaker 1: this month on bus in the NFL and first round

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Speaker 1: quarterbacks and.

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Speaker 2: Was that Mike Sando?

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Speaker 1: his colleagues wrote it, but he did an excellent job.

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Speaker 1: Matt Hasselbeck was spoken to in that article, as was

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Speaker 1: Kevin O'Connell, as was Alex Smith, who was labeled as

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Speaker 1: of the comments that Kevin O'Connell said to Rich Eisen

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Speaker 2: And they tried to sell their fan base all off

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Speaker 1: Great, So Denver Soda, Pittsburgh.

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Speaker 2: I honestly think. And there was Soundlos the other night

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Speaker 2: there on Thursday Night. It was the Seahawks coming through

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Speaker 1: Now still legal smelling salts by the way, Oh yeah,

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Speaker 1: how does that working? About that? Yeah? Okay?

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Speaker 2: Well, postgame we heard from Togo, Tony Gonzalez and Richard

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Speaker 2: Sherman and they were given their opinions about Russell Wilson,

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Speaker 2: and obviously Richard Sherman knows him very well. Well, listen

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Speaker 2: to this.

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Speaker 7: I think you got to judge his career off. When

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Speaker 7: the legion of Boom was there, he had a legendary

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Speaker 7: defense and all time defense, and how much success he had.

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Speaker 7: And then without that legendary defense, the success he had

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Speaker 7: without that legendary defense, he's been four and eleven, seven

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Speaker 7: and eight all in three to start with the Giants.

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Speaker 7: Like that's he was a winning football player in Seattle,

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Speaker 7: and people said, hey, winning his football player, all this

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Speaker 7: good stuff, all these accolades, and now you get to

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Speaker 7: go on your own and you get to crew pay.

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Speaker 7: I'm this great quarterback, I'm this guy that's going to

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Speaker 7: be dominant, and it just hasn't worked out that way.

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Speaker 2: So do you think we've seen the last of Russell Wilson?

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Speaker 1: Honest, I hope we have.

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Speaker 8: And I say that because just looking at him and

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Speaker 8: of Fame, it's Russell Wilson real And I say that

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Speaker 8: because look at what he's what's happened ever since he

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Speaker 8: left Seattle. When he was in Seattle, he was the man.

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Speaker 8: He was making these good plays. He won a super win,

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Speaker 8: the two of them. But as soon as he left there,

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Speaker 8: he went the Denver sign, that big old deal. They

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Speaker 8: paid him thirty nine million dollars to he goes to

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Speaker 8: Pittsburgh plaser one year he's out of there, and now

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Speaker 8: he goes here and.

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Speaker 1: Has three games.

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Speaker 8: I just don't know if it's gonna get any better.

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Speaker 8: And I don't want to see him on a sideline

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Speaker 8: holding a clipboard.

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Speaker 2: Okay, so first you heard Richard Sherman who may have

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Speaker 2: an axe to grind, and they at the end there

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Speaker 2: that was Tony Gonzalez, less of an axe to grind,

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Speaker 2: more of just a little Peter Pan knife or something

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Speaker 2: Richard Sherman may have some hot take in him, I

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Speaker 2: people have been thinking about. Because he's regressed significantly, and

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson is still the age of thirty four. It's

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Speaker 2: not like he's forty.

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Speaker 1: See if he was forty nowadays, the way these guys

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Speaker 1: look at him as Matthew Stafford and the way Tom

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Speaker 1: Brady on his way out the door, I mean, guys

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Speaker 2: We've gotten enough bad tape of Russell Wilson where I'm

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Speaker 2: starting to forget how and why he was so good

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Speaker 2: early on in his career. I know he's lost some athleticism.

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Speaker 2: I know that was part of his game and not

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Speaker 2: just scrambling, just moving around the pocket. And he used

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Speaker 1: All over the play in the middle of the pocket

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Speaker 1: without moving. That was the thing that was so impressive

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Speaker 1: about him. He's fairly diminutive, but I mean he will

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Speaker 1: down the field.

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Speaker 2: Now it's like he can't move the offense. He can't

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Speaker 2: convert third downs. You obviously can't convert on fourth downs

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Speaker 2: during a goal line situation in the red zone.

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Speaker 1: Now, we can still hit a deep ball here or there,

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Speaker 1: as we as evidenced by that game against Dallas. You

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Speaker 1: know he can still throw it when he needs to.

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Speaker 1: There's still something in there. By the way, I will

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Speaker 1: say about Richard Sermon's comments, when you talk about great

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Speaker 1: great quarterback Hall of Fame quarterbacks, or at least many

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Speaker 1: of them who had Super Bowl success. They all had

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Speaker 1: great defenses. Yeah, Troy Aikman have had a great defense,

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Speaker 1: individual quarterbacks, because if that was the case, Dan Marino

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Speaker 1: would have multiple championships and all that. So it is

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Speaker 1: a team game. I understand what Sherman is saying, and

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Speaker 1: obviously he was a key member of the legion of Boom,

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Speaker 1: but you can't separate that from any other in a

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Speaker 1: great quarterback who had a great career with a lot

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Speaker 2: Look did their defense win that Super Bowl more than

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Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. Of course they destroyed Peyton Manning, but he

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Speaker 2: definitely did his part and was more than just a

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Speaker 2: game manager. And I thought, up until the interception against

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Speaker 2: Malcolm Butler, the way he orchestrated that last drive for

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Speaker 2: Seattle against the Patriots the very next year was impressive.

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Speaker 2: This was somebody that was known for making key clutch

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Speaker 2: plays late. So Rob Parker, our friend and co worker

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Speaker 2: here at Fox Sports Radio, did bring up that, you know,

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Speaker 2: his last three seasons with Seattle, their defense wasn't that great.

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Speaker 1: That's true.

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Speaker 2: The Legion of Boom was disbanded, it aged out. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: a lot of those guys either moved on or we're

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Speaker 2: done because of injuries, or looked a little bit washed.

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Speaker 2: Richard Sherman certainly fell into that category. I think he

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Speaker 2: went through an achilles tear at some point, but Russell

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Speaker 2: Wilson was carrying at that point, and when he went

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Speaker 2: to Denver, we expected some of that stuff to carry over.

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Speaker 2: It didn't. But he was still good with a mediocre defense.

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Speaker 2: I guess you could say.

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Speaker 1: I told about that mediocre. His stats were good. The

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Speaker 1: teams obviously weren't as good.

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Speaker 2: But they had like eleven wins ten wins. I think

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Speaker 2: they might have had a twelve win season. He looked

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Speaker 2: like he was now not being the one carried by

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Speaker 2: the defense, but he was in that at that point

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Speaker 2: of his career where you're paying a quarterback like that

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Speaker 2: all that money. They have to elevate everyone around him,

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Speaker 2: and he was picking him up and he was, you know,

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Speaker 2: doing his end of the bargain.

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Speaker 1: I guess the problem is, and we're going to the

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Speaker 1: Tony Gonzalez part of the conversation of did he play

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Speaker 1: himself out of the Hall of Fame. Now, if you

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Speaker 1: just look at his resume right now, I don't really

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Speaker 1: know if it's Hall of Fame. He's fifteenth all time

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Speaker 1: on the passing list, which is great. Obviously, that's one

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Speaker 1: spot ahead of Joe Flacco, who nobody is talking about

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Speaker 1: being a Hall of Famer despite his great postseason run

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Speaker 1: that one year that the Ravens won the Super Bowl.

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Speaker 2: His Joe Flacco Hall of Famer elite. Of course he's not.

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Speaker 2: That's not a question.

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Speaker 3: No.

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Speaker 1: So Now, typically two super Bowl championships guarantees a quarterback

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Speaker 1: how great their career was or was. And Eli mannings

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Speaker 1: in the top ten of passing. If he only won

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Speaker 1: one Super Bowl, I don't think anybody would be talking

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Speaker 1: about whether or not he be a Hall of Famer. No,

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Speaker 1: he's gonna get in there because one who he beat

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Speaker 1: twice it was historic. Yeah, and the fact that he

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Speaker 1: won two Super Bowl championships for the Giants franchise. Sure,

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Speaker 1: But if you look at Russ's regular season stats, they're

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Speaker 1: very good, but not great. He made ten Pro Bowls.

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Speaker 1: I think fans look at Pro Bowls, but Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame voters don't pay much attention to Pro Bowls. They

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Speaker 1: look at All Pro selections. All Pro selections for Russell

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Speaker 1: Wilson won second team All Pro one time in his

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Speaker 1: career to this point in time. And by the way,

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Speaker 1: yes he's only he's thirty four, but he's on the

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Speaker 1: downward slide, downward trajectory of his career at this point

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Speaker 1: in time, I highly doubt he's going to have a

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Speaker 1: career renaissance. Now maybe he does, but based on the

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Speaker 1: way things have looked the last four years for him,

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Speaker 1: it seems like this is it. And if that is

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Speaker 1: the case, I agree with Tony Gonzale's assertion that he

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Speaker 1: looked to be on his way to the Hall of

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Speaker 1: Fame when he won that first Super Bowl of Seattle,

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Speaker 1: and had he not thrown the interception of Malcolm Butler

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Speaker 1: in that second one against the Patriots, he would be in.

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Speaker 1: But based on what he has done and based on

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Speaker 1: his current career resume, I don't know how you can

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Speaker 1: argue that he's a Hall of Fame quarterback.

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Speaker 2: I think it's possible, because of his age, you can

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Speaker 2: get exposed enough that it puts your Hall of Fame

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Speaker 2: chances in Jeopardy like, it's not. Once you're in, there's

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Speaker 2: nothing you can do to hurt your career enough. He's

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Speaker 2: not MJ on the Wizards. Correct, Okay, he already was

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Speaker 2: kind of borderline. That's how it felt. So if he's

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Speaker 2: going to back into it, that's what it would feel

655
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Speaker 2: like right now. I honestly, everything that has happened now

656
00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:03,000
Speaker 2: is a part of his resume. You can't just discount

657
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Speaker 2: that and say, well, this isn't prime Russell Wilson. It

658
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Speaker 2: shouldn't be washed Russell Wilson, even though it looks like

659
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Speaker 2: that right now at this young of an age, as

660
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Speaker 2: we've seen with different teams, where he can't find a

661
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Speaker 2: spot and thrive anymore.

662
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Speaker 1: Well, there's also the element of he's maybe his own

663
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Speaker 1: worst enemy, and this is kind of part of the

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Speaker 1: reason why things maybe fell apart in Seattle, the politics

665
00:29:24,600 --> 00:29:27,160
Speaker 1: involved with a lot of the players, his relationship with

666
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Speaker 1: Pete Carroll in contrast to Pete's relationship with a lot

667
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Speaker 1: of the players on the defense, Pete's side of the ball.

668
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 1: He goes to Denver, he gets the giant mansion, he

669
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,720
Speaker 1: has his own private room or whatever it is. They

670
00:29:38,840 --> 00:29:41,920
Speaker 1: really bent over backwards for Russell, Wilson and Denver for

671
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Speaker 1: the guy to not produce, and I think that turned

672
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Speaker 1: a lot of people off, namely Sean Payton, who came in.

673
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Speaker 1: He was like, why do we give you all this stuff?

674
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Speaker 1: What have you proven these last couple of years? And

675
00:29:51,360 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 1: Sean Payton was like, I will pay you. As Tony

676
00:29:53,640 --> 00:29:56,480
Speaker 1: Gonzale said, Milt multiple millions of dollars to not be

677
00:29:56,560 --> 00:29:59,360
Speaker 1: here despite how talented you might still be, you ain't

678
00:29:59,400 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 1: the right fit. They're not working.

679
00:30:00,960 --> 00:30:04,200
Speaker 2: Plenty of guys whose career careers end on a low

680
00:30:04,280 --> 00:30:07,600
Speaker 2: note and it doesn't affect them and they're okay anyways.

681
00:30:07,680 --> 00:30:10,760
Speaker 2: But he's been so shockingly bad to average the last

682
00:30:10,800 --> 00:30:14,320
Speaker 2: few years with different organizations and different offenses. It's like,

683
00:30:15,320 --> 00:30:18,280
Speaker 2: was Seattle the perfect fit for him? It's like, was

684
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Speaker 2: that the one team not just because of the defense,

685
00:30:20,720 --> 00:30:26,280
Speaker 2: but because of the offense. I do look at quarterbacks

686
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Speaker 2: like Tom Brady and Peyton Manning going to a different

687
00:30:30,320 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 2: situation and winning and being successful, and that's meaningful. That

688
00:30:34,720 --> 00:30:37,959
Speaker 2: is a big feather in your cap to not just

689
00:30:38,040 --> 00:30:41,840
Speaker 2: be a system or part of the system and a franchise,

690
00:30:42,320 --> 00:30:44,960
Speaker 2: but you are the system and it travels no matter

691
00:30:45,000 --> 00:30:48,920
Speaker 2: where you go. Russell Wilson clearly isn't that guy. Now

692
00:30:48,920 --> 00:30:51,280
Speaker 2: you don't have to necessarily be that guy to get

693
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Speaker 2: in because Aaron Rodgers hasn't had success outside of the Packers.

694
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Speaker 1: And few successful quarterbacks are able to do that. As

695
00:30:58,000 --> 00:30:59,960
Speaker 1: great as Joe Montana was, he played in one city

696
00:31:00,240 --> 00:31:02,160
Speaker 1: his entire career. He played in the West Coast offense,

697
00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,560
Speaker 1: in San Francisco and in Kansas City. Yeah, would he

698
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:06,880
Speaker 1: have been successful if he played somewhere else in another system?

699
00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:07,760
Speaker 1: No one really knows.

700
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:12,120
Speaker 2: It goes back to circumstances. But some guys are so transcendent,

701
00:31:12,360 --> 00:31:14,920
Speaker 2: you know, no matter where they were, they were going

702
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:17,920
Speaker 2: to have a successful career and maybe not win as much,

703
00:31:17,960 --> 00:31:20,240
Speaker 2: but still win and still be a Hall of Famer

704
00:31:20,320 --> 00:31:22,880
Speaker 2: no matter where they were. I can't say that about

705
00:31:22,920 --> 00:31:27,000
Speaker 2: Russell Wilson. I wonder people are talking about, Oh, could

706
00:31:27,040 --> 00:31:28,280
Speaker 2: he end up somewhere else?

707
00:31:28,360 --> 00:31:28,560
Speaker 1: Now?

708
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:32,120
Speaker 2: Is this gonna be? Where's he gonna go? Who's gonna

709
00:31:32,120 --> 00:31:36,240
Speaker 2: take him? You were talking about the Bengals, like, I'd

710
00:31:36,320 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 2: think I'd rather take my chances with Jake Browning and

711
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:41,440
Speaker 2: see what he has. Honestly, well, he's been in the

712
00:31:41,440 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 2: system for a while.

713
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:43,920
Speaker 1: That's the key he's been in the CYSM. We're talking

714
00:31:43,960 --> 00:31:46,640
Speaker 1: about different systems and guys moving around, and Russell Wilson

715
00:31:46,680 --> 00:31:48,800
Speaker 1: has been in multiple systems over the last four years

716
00:31:48,960 --> 00:31:50,280
Speaker 1: and hasn't really been successful.

717
00:31:50,320 --> 00:31:53,640
Speaker 2: As bad as Jake Browning looked against the Vikings last Sunday,

718
00:31:53,760 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 2: he did go four and three, had some three hundred

719
00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:58,440
Speaker 2: yard passing games in twenty twenty three when he was

720
00:31:58,440 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 2: filling in for Joe Burrow. So I'd rather kind of

721
00:32:01,160 --> 00:32:03,640
Speaker 2: stick with that continuity than just bring in a guy,

722
00:32:03,760 --> 00:32:05,760
Speaker 2: throw a playbook at him and say, hey, you used

723
00:32:05,800 --> 00:32:09,040
Speaker 2: to be good five years ago. Can you regain can

724
00:32:09,080 --> 00:32:11,000
Speaker 2: you recapture any of that greatness?

725
00:32:11,120 --> 00:32:14,120
Speaker 1: Yeah? Is there any I would say, any quarterback star

726
00:32:14,280 --> 00:32:16,560
Speaker 1: franchise right now that would say, man, we really need

727
00:32:16,560 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: to bring in Russell Wilson. He's going to be the

728
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:19,040
Speaker 1: difference maker for us.

729
00:32:19,320 --> 00:32:21,920
Speaker 2: No, I don't think he's I don't think he's earned

730
00:32:22,560 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 2: the right to pick his next destination or make a

731
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 2: fuss and get out in New York. Because he's Russell Wilson,

732
00:32:30,240 --> 00:32:34,400
Speaker 2: and because he is such a legacy quarterback for the NFL.

733
00:32:34,520 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 2: This goes back to if he was a surefire Hall

734
00:32:37,600 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: of Famer. He'd have that clout exactly, he'd have that

735
00:32:40,720 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 2: juice to be able to say, you know what, I

736
00:32:43,160 --> 00:32:45,320
Speaker 2: get it. They're going with Jackson Dart here, but I

737
00:32:45,360 --> 00:32:48,080
Speaker 2: want to go somewhere else where I can play because

738
00:32:48,160 --> 00:32:50,880
Speaker 2: I've done this much for the league. He's not that.

739
00:32:51,320 --> 00:32:52,880
Speaker 2: He's not that type of guy. So I think it

740
00:32:52,960 --> 00:32:55,440
Speaker 2: kind of answers the question. And maybe he's not a

741
00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:57,480
Speaker 2: Hall of Famer now I'd have to review some things

742
00:32:57,520 --> 00:33:00,640
Speaker 2: and Eli Manning getting in eventually, which does seem inn't it.

743
00:33:02,360 --> 00:33:04,200
Speaker 2: I don't love that. I don't know either, but it

744
00:33:04,240 --> 00:33:06,960
Speaker 2: seems like the bar has been lowered across Hall of Fames.

745
00:33:07,000 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 2: As Steve Hartman would tell us.

746
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:10,640
Speaker 1: Maybe I feel like that's just kind of how the

747
00:33:10,680 --> 00:33:12,960
Speaker 1: bar has been in the NFL. For whatever reason. It's like,

748
00:33:13,000 --> 00:33:16,600
Speaker 1: you have stats in Major League Baseball, however, many strikeouts,

749
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: you're automatic Hall of Famer. Five hundred home runs, you're

750
00:33:18,840 --> 00:33:21,920
Speaker 1: automatically in the Hall of Fame. Two Super Bowl championships

751
00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:24,600
Speaker 1: as a starting quarterback. For whatever reason, that's been the

752
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,080
Speaker 1: bar that set. Guys who ment win two Super Bowl

753
00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:30,080
Speaker 1: championships ultimately end up making into the Hall of Fame

754
00:33:30,120 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: Bill Bill Plunkett, our friend Bill Plunkett from the Olcie

755
00:33:32,680 --> 00:33:36,520
Speaker 1: Register now Los Angeles, No Plunket from the Raiders, the

756
00:33:36,560 --> 00:33:40,600
Speaker 1: Oakland and LA Raiders. Jimp Plunkett took him unfortunately much

757
00:33:40,640 --> 00:33:43,800
Speaker 1: much later obviously did end up getting in. But that's

758
00:33:43,920 --> 00:33:46,360
Speaker 1: kind of just the line. So whether we agree with

759
00:33:46,360 --> 00:33:48,800
Speaker 1: it or not, and I don't, to be honest with you, if.

760
00:33:48,720 --> 00:33:52,240
Speaker 2: They're consistent about it, I'm okay with that. They generally are,

761
00:33:52,320 --> 00:33:55,320
Speaker 2: but it seems like things have evolved and they've softened

762
00:33:55,360 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 2: their stance as Riders over the years with different players.

763
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:02,200
Speaker 2: For instance, like Terrell Davis got in eventually, and I

764
00:34:02,360 --> 00:34:07,000
Speaker 2: was for him getting in initially, but I understood the

765
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:11,319
Speaker 2: argument that he didn't have the longevity. And is Tony

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00:34:11,360 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 2: Bissellian now now, Yes, he's the same thing. At his

767
00:34:15,800 --> 00:34:18,839
Speaker 2: best when he was healthy, he was the best left

768
00:34:18,840 --> 00:34:21,760
Speaker 2: tackle in the game. But he only lasted five years.

769
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:25,719
Speaker 2: Is that good enough? Should that matter? I think in

770
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:28,160
Speaker 2: cases like that where you know how good a guy

771
00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:32,239
Speaker 2: was and before the injuries, he obviously would have had

772
00:34:32,280 --> 00:34:35,360
Speaker 2: a different career, a longer career when it's that obvious.

773
00:34:35,880 --> 00:34:38,040
Speaker 2: But yeah, I don't. I don't know about Russell Wilson

774
00:34:38,080 --> 00:34:40,359
Speaker 2: and Eli Manning. I gotta say, now, Tom Brady, maybe

775
00:34:40,360 --> 00:34:43,440
Speaker 2: we'll get into some of him later. That's a no question.

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00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,560
Speaker 2: I'm just saying we haven't forgot about the conflict of

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Speaker 2: interest going on, and we may get into that story

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Speaker 2: a little bit later in the show.

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Speaker 1: We very well made.

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Speaker 2: But coming up next, we have what stranger than fiction?

781
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Speaker 2: A whale of a tale. Kevin, those big old come

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00:35:01,840 --> 00:35:04,600
Speaker 2: on now, why would replay that? How dare you? Bree?

783
00:35:05,560 --> 00:35:07,800
Speaker 2: We do have an interesting story and strange with the

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Speaker 2: fiction involving animals that you may not believe. That's Kevin.

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Speaker 2: Up next, it's Fox Sports Radio. He's Kevin figures a

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Speaker 2: Madame Oslin. This is FNA on FSR.

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Speaker 9: Do we look like the threw dumbies guys in the

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Speaker 9: world to you?

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Speaker 1: We do have a corrections and retractions before we get

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Speaker 1: to Stranger than Fiction. Purto hits me up on x

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00:35:57,080 --> 00:36:00,480
Speaker 1: at K fig one and you're correct. Prito um Plunkett

802
00:36:00,480 --> 00:36:02,400
Speaker 1: is not in the Pro Football Hall of Fame. He

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00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:04,960
Speaker 1: was put to vote for the Veterans Committee a couple

804
00:36:04,960 --> 00:36:06,560
Speaker 1: of years ago. I remember this, but he did not

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00:36:06,600 --> 00:36:08,560
Speaker 1: actually get in, despite the fact that he has won

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00:36:08,880 --> 00:36:10,600
Speaker 1: two Super Bowls for the Raiders.

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Speaker 2: So there's a chick Russell. I'm sorry, there's a real

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00:36:16,080 --> 00:36:18,120
Speaker 2: chance you're not getting in either if you continue to

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00:36:18,120 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: put out these tinkers.

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00:36:19,040 --> 00:36:20,919
Speaker 1: I still feel like Eli Manning, with his two Super

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00:36:20,960 --> 00:36:23,400
Speaker 1: Bowl victories over the Patriots, is definitely going to get in.

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Speaker 2: I think you're right. Manning family all right. Stranger of

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00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 2: the fiction.

814
00:36:27,040 --> 00:36:28,000
Speaker 3: A fast food.

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Speaker 1: Customer defending.

816
00:36:30,200 --> 00:36:32,440
Speaker 3: After her McDonald's run out of McNuggets.

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Speaker 9: He can't give a drunk man riding a horse at

818
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Speaker 9: EWI and he goes.

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00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,240
Speaker 5: Unlike cars, words that don't have motors, they.

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Speaker 9: Have a mind in their own.

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Speaker 1: Strange twenty four year old man now jus of throwing

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Speaker 1: an alligator through a drive through window.

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Speaker 2: Strangeel. We like talking about animals here on f and A.

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Speaker 2: Last week in geek News, we talked about them while

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00:36:59,680 --> 00:37:03,160
Speaker 2: reviewing the trailer for the new Anaconda reboot and our

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00:37:03,200 --> 00:37:06,200
Speaker 2: Anaconda did not want none of that movie that looked

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Speaker 2: like But.

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Adam. You did have me watch the

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Speaker 1: trailer during the break.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, you know what you said afterwards?

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Speaker 1: What did I say?

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00:37:12,080 --> 00:37:13,200
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm not paying money for that.

833
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,160
Speaker 1: Say it comes out streaming for free at some point

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00:37:16,200 --> 00:37:17,760
Speaker 1: in the next couple of years, and I have nothing

835
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Speaker 1: to do, I'll watch it.

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00:37:18,960 --> 00:37:22,200
Speaker 2: You did say that that might be where you could

837
00:37:22,239 --> 00:37:25,759
Speaker 2: also find a free copy of Free Willy to watch

838
00:37:25,840 --> 00:37:29,960
Speaker 2: right now, or at least one of the three sequels

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Speaker 2: that are out there. I didn't know.

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Speaker 1: I knew there was a second one.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it wasn't bad. That was all right, honestly. So

842
00:37:36,640 --> 00:37:39,239
Speaker 2: what about a story about saving the whales?

843
00:37:39,360 --> 00:37:40,600
Speaker 1: Here big old women?

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Speaker 2: And yes, you mentioned now we got some Michael Jackson

845
00:37:45,719 --> 00:37:49,480
Speaker 2: music going on. Oh yeah, this ain't about saving our shifts,

846
00:37:49,520 --> 00:37:53,319
Speaker 2: It's about saving the whales. No sos here. So from

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00:37:53,440 --> 00:37:55,640
Speaker 2: twenty twenty to twenty twenty four, there have been at

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00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 2: least six hundred and seventy three documented incidents of killer

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Speaker 2: whales attacking boats. A yachtsman said this in twenty twenty two,

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Speaker 2: describing the attack This happens in Spain. He said, quota

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00:38:08,960 --> 00:38:11,600
Speaker 2: was terrifying. We thought, if we were thrown into the water,

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Speaker 2: what are they going to do to us? They have

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Speaker 2: just thrown a ten ton yacht all over the place. Well,

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00:38:18,360 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 2: what are they going to do to you?

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Speaker 1: Well, they're called killer whales for a reason.

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Speaker 2: Bingo. There was another attack this past week near Portugal

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Speaker 2: where four people had to be rescued, and it was

858
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Speaker 2: the third such attack on a boat by killer whales

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Speaker 2: in the past week. Scientists are studying these seemingly coordinated

860
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Speaker 2: attacks to try to understand these attacks near the Strait

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Speaker 2: of Gibraltar specifically, but their best clues to decipher the

862
00:38:44,120 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 2: orca's intentions include recording their sounds and whales songs and

863
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:51,359
Speaker 2: then comparing it to interaction and sounds they make when

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Speaker 2: killing tuna, which scientists say is a playful interaction right,

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Speaker 2: not necessarily for the tuna but for the orcas. Yes,

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Speaker 2: after that they kill it. I guess they share the tunas.

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Speaker 2: So far, they believe they are just playing with the boats,

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Speaker 2: using them like a little tug boat in a bathtub.

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Speaker 2: They're just having a whale of a time. But because

870
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Speaker 2: of the size of the orcas, weighing four tons, it

871
00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:17,160
Speaker 2: comes across as very aggressive behavior to anyone on board.

872
00:39:17,200 --> 00:39:19,520
Speaker 1: It's no different than my son. My son is seventeen

873
00:39:19,560 --> 00:39:21,560
Speaker 1: months coming up tomorrow. When he sits, when he takes

874
00:39:21,560 --> 00:39:23,200
Speaker 1: a bath, he has these little toy boats. He just

875
00:39:23,239 --> 00:39:24,920
Speaker 1: tosses them in the air and they bounce all off

876
00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:26,239
Speaker 1: the wall and it's nothing to him.

877
00:39:26,280 --> 00:39:28,839
Speaker 2: There you go. Does he got a rubber ducky in there?

878
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:30,919
Speaker 2: He used to Burt and Ernie style.

879
00:39:32,080 --> 00:39:32,279
Speaker 3: Yeah.

880
00:39:32,320 --> 00:39:35,920
Speaker 2: So the researchers are looking to attach some cameras and

881
00:39:36,000 --> 00:39:39,440
Speaker 2: recording devices in order to study the behavior more closely.

882
00:39:40,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 2: But yachtsmen, they aren't waiting for the data and spreadsheets

883
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,440
Speaker 2: to come in. They're fueling threatened right now, and they're

884
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,960
Speaker 2: saying they'll pour petrol into the water or start stabbing

885
00:39:50,000 --> 00:39:52,440
Speaker 2: the whales if they get attacked. Oh, they didn't said this,

886
00:39:52,560 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 2: they said this, didn't they do this in Free Willy.

887
00:39:54,400 --> 00:39:55,120
Speaker 1: That's what's set it off.

888
00:39:55,120 --> 00:39:56,120
Speaker 2: The whole thing exactly.

889
00:39:56,280 --> 00:39:56,560
Speaker 1: Geez.

890
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,680
Speaker 2: As for whose side I'm on, it's not the sailors,

891
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,320
Speaker 2: it's not Michael Jackson. I side with the whales.

892
00:40:02,360 --> 00:40:03,240
Speaker 1: That's right, Free Willie.

893
00:40:03,440 --> 00:40:06,920
Speaker 2: Let them play their game of battleship with your yacht.

894
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:10,120
Speaker 2: Like Tony Bruno, I don't have a boat anymore. He

895
00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:12,839
Speaker 2: never did, or I never did. I so I can't

896
00:40:12,880 --> 00:40:14,640
Speaker 2: sympathize with the yachtsmen at all.

897
00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:15,359
Speaker 10: Uh.

898
00:40:15,600 --> 00:40:18,240
Speaker 2: Sorry, If the killer whales are causing you to spill

899
00:40:18,239 --> 00:40:22,560
Speaker 2: your champagne glass on your yacht, take some dramamine, grab

900
00:40:22,600 --> 00:40:26,799
Speaker 2: an oarr and find some land. Ho the whales were

901
00:40:26,840 --> 00:40:27,319
Speaker 2: here first.

902
00:40:27,400 --> 00:40:27,719
Speaker 4: Well, if the.

903
00:40:27,680 --> 00:40:29,960
Speaker 1: Whales came into your house and started playing around like

904
00:40:30,000 --> 00:40:31,719
Speaker 1: you were out there and their that's their habitat out

905
00:40:31,719 --> 00:40:32,239
Speaker 1: in near the water.

906
00:40:32,400 --> 00:40:35,520
Speaker 2: If they want to raged all your boat, let them.

907
00:40:35,680 --> 00:40:37,160
Speaker 2: We're playing. They're having a good time.

908
00:40:37,239 --> 00:40:39,040
Speaker 1: Yeah. Be fortunate that they're not doing more than just

909
00:40:39,120 --> 00:40:40,840
Speaker 1: having fun with your boat, because it could end up

910
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:41,680
Speaker 1: even worse for you.

911
00:40:41,680 --> 00:40:44,160
Speaker 2: You know why I ended up loving killer whales, right?

912
00:40:44,200 --> 00:40:47,080
Speaker 2: Why is that they control the great white shark population.

913
00:40:47,760 --> 00:40:50,080
Speaker 2: And I know how much Adam loves great white sharks,

914
00:40:50,200 --> 00:40:52,960
Speaker 2: and we must free them from the fish Bowls in

915
00:40:53,040 --> 00:40:57,040
Speaker 2: their theme parks. I watched Blackfish okay exactly, thank you.

916
00:40:57,000 --> 00:40:59,080
Speaker 1: For Strangers and in fiction and coming up next the

917
00:40:59,200 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: F and A six here on FSR.

918
00:41:02,600 --> 00:41:05,279
Speaker 4: Don't listening to Fox Sports Radio Radio.

919
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 2: Welcome back in It's FNA on FSR. We got you

920
00:41:08,600 --> 00:41:12,000
Speaker 2: for another two hours here on Fox Sports Radio. As

921
00:41:12,000 --> 00:41:16,520
Speaker 2: it is FNA on Fox Football Saturday. He's at KFIG one,

922
00:41:16,640 --> 00:41:20,840
Speaker 2: I'm at follow Adam A. Coming up at Sando NFL

923
00:41:21,000 --> 00:41:23,360
Speaker 2: is our next guest. That would be Mike Sando of

924
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:24,360
Speaker 2: the Athletic.

925
00:41:24,080 --> 00:41:26,560
Speaker 1: Talking all things NFL with Mike, so looking forward to

926
00:41:26,560 --> 00:41:29,000
Speaker 1: having him coming up in the very next segment. But

927
00:41:29,040 --> 00:41:31,600
Speaker 1: coming up right now is one of our favorite segments

928
00:41:31,640 --> 00:41:34,200
Speaker 1: that we bring you every single solitary week Let's get

929
00:41:34,200 --> 00:41:37,920
Speaker 1: to a mark.

930
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:38,799
Speaker 4: Time for the NFL six pack with.

931
00:41:42,000 --> 00:41:46,680
Speaker 1: Six topics surrounding the NFL this upcoming weekend's action. We've

932
00:41:46,680 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 1: also still used to that.

933
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:53,120
Speaker 2: We look at each other like, really, it's the six facts.

934
00:41:53,200 --> 00:41:56,880
Speaker 2: Finally some carbination, you know, No, it's fine, it's natural,

935
00:41:57,480 --> 00:42:00,920
Speaker 2: it's totally fine. Uh. First out of goreg Kevin.

936
00:42:00,760 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: Yeah, let's go, what do we got there?

937
00:42:04,880 --> 00:42:05,080
Speaker 9: We go?

938
00:42:05,160 --> 00:42:07,960
Speaker 1: So the coach or player under the most pressure this

939
00:42:08,200 --> 00:42:09,280
Speaker 1: upcoming weekend.

940
00:42:09,320 --> 00:42:13,680
Speaker 2: Adam, all right, you know about the dreaded sophomore slump,

941
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:18,160
Speaker 2: Well what about a junior jump off a cliff, because

942
00:42:18,160 --> 00:42:20,600
Speaker 2: that's where the Texas are headed right now with CJ.

943
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:24,120
Speaker 2: Stroud and Demiico Ryans, both who are in their third

944
00:42:24,200 --> 00:42:27,239
Speaker 2: years in their respective roles in both are on the

945
00:42:27,280 --> 00:42:29,840
Speaker 2: hot seat for me after an OH to three start

946
00:42:29,920 --> 00:42:33,759
Speaker 2: in Houston where they may not just have a problem,

947
00:42:34,120 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 2: but problems as Jacksonville and the Colts both look better

948
00:42:38,680 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 2: than them and if they somehow lose to their division

949
00:42:42,080 --> 00:42:45,120
Speaker 2: rival in the Titans at home this weekend, who are

950
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:49,160
Speaker 2: also in OH to three, the love seat that Demiico

951
00:42:49,280 --> 00:42:52,280
Speaker 2: Ryans and CJ. Stroud are sharing is gonna get hotter

952
00:42:52,320 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 2: than Beyonce eating a Gilapano cheeseburger outside of a what

953
00:42:56,239 --> 00:42:58,759
Speaker 2: a Burger on the hood of her car during a

954
00:42:58,880 --> 00:43:01,200
Speaker 2: humid summer night in her hometown of Houston.

955
00:43:01,239 --> 00:43:02,600
Speaker 1: It was a very vivid description.

956
00:43:02,840 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 2: Oh, I wanted you to really let that marinate. I

957
00:43:06,080 --> 00:43:09,880
Speaker 2: don't care that. Tamiko Ryan said they have been close.

958
00:43:10,040 --> 00:43:13,640
Speaker 2: He also said close isn't good enough. He qualified it.

959
00:43:13,640 --> 00:43:17,360
Speaker 2: It's a true statement, so is this. They aren't just

960
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:21,520
Speaker 2: close or close to last in the league in points

961
00:43:21,520 --> 00:43:25,240
Speaker 2: per game. They are last. They're thirty second in points

962
00:43:25,239 --> 00:43:29,239
Speaker 2: per game at just twelve point seven per game. Last

963
00:43:29,320 --> 00:43:31,680
Speaker 2: year they were at twenty two points per game. I

964
00:43:31,719 --> 00:43:34,640
Speaker 2: was still eighteenth, but you know, it's much better than

965
00:43:34,640 --> 00:43:37,840
Speaker 2: the dead last The year before they were thirteenth. Are

966
00:43:37,880 --> 00:43:39,799
Speaker 2: you seeing a trend here? Are you following me here?

967
00:43:39,880 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: Camera?

968
00:43:40,200 --> 00:43:40,399
Speaker 4: Guy?

969
00:43:40,520 --> 00:43:44,200
Speaker 2: They were getting worse as an offense, and CJ looks

970
00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:46,520
Speaker 2: to be regressing. I know the offensive line has been

971
00:43:46,560 --> 00:43:49,560
Speaker 2: a problem, but even with that, the numbers are alarming.

972
00:43:49,800 --> 00:43:52,880
Speaker 2: Since Week five of last year, over his last fifteen

973
00:43:52,920 --> 00:43:56,880
Speaker 2: regular season games, he has zero three hundred yard passing

974
00:43:56,920 --> 00:44:00,640
Speaker 2: games and ISA averaging just one ninety six when it

975
00:44:00,640 --> 00:44:04,120
Speaker 2: comes to the yardage per game, with fifteen passing touchdowns

976
00:44:04,160 --> 00:44:07,760
Speaker 2: to twelve interceptions over his last fifteen regular season games.

977
00:44:08,000 --> 00:44:10,960
Speaker 2: Remember his first twenty games in the NFL spe thirty

978
00:44:11,000 --> 00:44:14,799
Speaker 2: touchdowns to eight interceptions, almost three hundred yards per game.

979
00:44:16,040 --> 00:44:20,080
Speaker 2: Just one of five quarterbacks this season with more interceptions

980
00:44:20,160 --> 00:44:23,880
Speaker 2: than touchdowns. And really, he's connecting twenty percent less on

981
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:26,960
Speaker 2: his deep ball throws than he did his rookie season.

982
00:44:27,480 --> 00:44:30,080
Speaker 2: Deep ball passes qualify as a pass twenty yards or

983
00:44:30,120 --> 00:44:33,319
Speaker 2: more down the field. In twenty twenty three, he had

984
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:36,160
Speaker 2: the best completion on deep balls by any rookie in

985
00:44:36,160 --> 00:44:39,520
Speaker 2: the last twenty seasons. You know what they're calling him now,

986
00:44:40,360 --> 00:44:44,120
Speaker 2: Michael Carter Williams. I don't think anybody that's a good

987
00:44:44,120 --> 00:44:47,839
Speaker 2: poll though. That's so Ceo Stroud looks wack. I forgot

988
00:44:47,920 --> 00:44:48,600
Speaker 2: about due by the.

989
00:44:48,600 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 1: Way, I reason onto the scene, got off to a

990
00:44:50,840 --> 00:44:52,920
Speaker 1: great start and then literally just fell off of the

991
00:44:52,920 --> 00:44:53,919
Speaker 1: face of the NBA earth.

992
00:44:54,360 --> 00:44:57,520
Speaker 2: Now, I will give Demiko Ryan's credit. Their defense has

993
00:44:57,600 --> 00:45:00,560
Speaker 2: been good enough to keep them in games excellent. The

994
00:45:00,600 --> 00:45:03,680
Speaker 2: Texans are the only team, though in the last twenty seasons,

995
00:45:03,719 --> 00:45:06,680
Speaker 2: to surrender a total of fifty five points or less

996
00:45:06,719 --> 00:45:09,520
Speaker 2: through the first three weeks of the season and still

997
00:45:09,600 --> 00:45:13,560
Speaker 2: start zero in three. Their offense has to be better

998
00:45:13,560 --> 00:45:15,880
Speaker 2: than this. And if they can't get going against the Titans,

999
00:45:15,880 --> 00:45:17,920
Speaker 2: and I mean put up at least twenty eight points,

1000
00:45:18,320 --> 00:45:21,239
Speaker 2: well that seat is getting hotter. It's getting warmer for

1001
00:45:21,320 --> 00:45:22,880
Speaker 2: CJ and his head coach.

1002
00:45:23,600 --> 00:45:25,040
Speaker 1: I am right there with you, by the way, Oh

1003
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: for now, I am not putting Demko Ryans on the

1004
00:45:27,239 --> 00:45:29,319
Speaker 1: hot seat. Now maybe I should because he is the

1005
00:45:29,360 --> 00:45:30,799
Speaker 1: head of the snake when it comes to it. But

1006
00:45:30,920 --> 00:45:32,960
Speaker 1: look to your point, and I'm not going to rehash

1007
00:45:33,000 --> 00:45:35,560
Speaker 1: a lot of the same stats that you did, but

1008
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: defensively they have been good. Yeah, good enough to keep

1009
00:45:38,239 --> 00:45:40,399
Speaker 1: them competitive, and that is de Miko side of the ball.

1010
00:45:40,440 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 1: The issue has been on offense, where they brought in

1011
00:45:42,840 --> 00:45:45,400
Speaker 1: Nick Cayley, the new offensive coordinator, who I'm going to

1012
00:45:45,480 --> 00:45:48,080
Speaker 1: put more on the hot seat than Tomiko Ryans along

1013
00:45:48,080 --> 00:45:50,560
Speaker 1: with CJ. Stroud, because if you remember a couple of

1014
00:45:50,600 --> 00:45:54,520
Speaker 1: seasons ago, in his rookie season, his offensive coordinator was

1015
00:45:54,560 --> 00:45:57,040
Speaker 1: Bobby Slowick, and they had such a great year that

1016
00:45:57,120 --> 00:46:00,959
Speaker 1: Slowik actually got head coaching interviews, actually get the job,

1017
00:46:01,320 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: came back last season. You mentioned how their offense really

1018
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:06,680
Speaker 1: really hit the skids last year and slow ended up

1019
00:46:06,719 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 1: losing his job. They bring in Nick Kayley, and the

1020
00:46:09,120 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: offense has now gotten worse. To your point, Now, look,

1021
00:46:12,200 --> 00:46:15,200
Speaker 1: you mentioned the offensive line issues. They traded away Laramie Tunsel,

1022
00:46:15,239 --> 00:46:17,480
Speaker 1: who maybe he was a bad locker room guy, but

1023
00:46:17,520 --> 00:46:19,279
Speaker 1: he's still one of the better left tackles in the

1024
00:46:19,440 --> 00:46:19,959
Speaker 1: entire league.

1025
00:46:20,000 --> 00:46:20,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's more important.

1026
00:46:20,960 --> 00:46:23,319
Speaker 1: That's a huge loss I guess it depends on how

1027
00:46:23,360 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: bad of a locker room guy he was. I don't know.

1028
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not.

1029
00:46:25,640 --> 00:46:28,319
Speaker 2: Worth it, but left tackle is so key, is the

1030
00:46:28,360 --> 00:46:29,240
Speaker 2: second most important.

1031
00:46:29,280 --> 00:46:31,720
Speaker 1: I think it's the second most important offensive position other

1032
00:46:31,800 --> 00:46:34,760
Speaker 1: than quarterback, even more so than the skill positions. Talking

1033
00:46:34,800 --> 00:46:37,480
Speaker 1: skill positions, not having Joe Mixon he had that mysterious

1034
00:46:37,520 --> 00:46:40,160
Speaker 1: injury from the offseason that plagued them. He's still out.

1035
00:46:40,440 --> 00:46:43,719
Speaker 1: That's a big loss to your offense. Ultimately, Kayley was

1036
00:46:43,719 --> 00:46:45,600
Speaker 1: the guy who was brought into fix c J. Stroud,

1037
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,080
Speaker 1: and so far through three games, that has not been

1038
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:50,200
Speaker 1: the case. So that is something I want to ask

1039
00:46:50,239 --> 00:46:52,560
Speaker 1: Mike Sandel about. He's the guy that talks to executives,

1040
00:46:52,560 --> 00:46:55,320
Speaker 1: watches film. How much of this is c J. Stroud

1041
00:46:55,680 --> 00:46:58,239
Speaker 1: just not improving and progressing, and how much of it

1042
00:46:58,280 --> 00:47:02,120
Speaker 1: is the infrastructure around him changing so much, a different offense,

1043
00:47:02,520 --> 00:47:05,600
Speaker 1: losing offensive players around him, not having an offensive line.

1044
00:47:05,719 --> 00:47:07,759
Speaker 1: I'm not trying to make excuses for CJ. Stroud, but

1045
00:47:07,800 --> 00:47:09,839
Speaker 1: I do think this could be more of an organizational

1046
00:47:09,880 --> 00:47:12,600
Speaker 1: failure as opposed to just c J. Stroud not producing

1047
00:47:12,600 --> 00:47:13,040
Speaker 1: on his own.

1048
00:47:13,120 --> 00:47:15,040
Speaker 2: It goes back to what we were talking about earlier.

1049
00:47:15,080 --> 00:47:18,520
Speaker 2: Sometimes the organizations are failing these young quarterbacks.

1050
00:47:18,600 --> 00:47:21,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so similar to what you said, I do think

1051
00:47:22,000 --> 00:47:24,360
Speaker 1: if the offense is going to break out, this is

1052
00:47:24,400 --> 00:47:26,439
Speaker 1: the week to do it. Similar to what I said

1053
00:47:26,520 --> 00:47:29,280
Speaker 1: last week in this segment about Caleb Williams against Dallas

1054
00:47:29,480 --> 00:47:31,640
Speaker 1: and he actually performed. I said, if you're gonna if

1055
00:47:31,640 --> 00:47:33,880
Speaker 1: you're gonna turn a corner, this is the defense to

1056
00:47:33,880 --> 00:47:36,839
Speaker 1: do it against. If you're the Houston Texans and you're

1057
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: gonna turn a corner, you're gonna do it against the

1058
00:47:38,600 --> 00:47:41,560
Speaker 1: Tennessee defense that is the lower third in the NFL

1059
00:47:41,680 --> 00:47:44,080
Speaker 1: and its points in points allout and in total yards.

1060
00:47:44,280 --> 00:47:47,000
Speaker 1: So yes, maya hot seat heat check goes to Nick

1061
00:47:47,080 --> 00:47:49,760
Speaker 1: Cayley and c J. Stroud, not necessarily Demico Rilings.

1062
00:47:49,800 --> 00:47:51,040
Speaker 2: Mark, what have we got next here?

1063
00:47:51,640 --> 00:47:52,840
Speaker 3: Trap game tap?

1064
00:47:52,960 --> 00:47:54,640
Speaker 2: And you want to start here, Kevin, or you want

1065
00:47:54,640 --> 00:47:55,040
Speaker 2: to go with May.

1066
00:47:55,239 --> 00:47:57,000
Speaker 1: I'll start with the trap game tap, and I'm gonna

1067
00:47:57,040 --> 00:47:59,720
Speaker 1: go with the different Broncos at home Monday Night football

1068
00:47:59,760 --> 00:48:02,680
Speaker 1: again the Cincinnati Bengals. Now, common sense will tell you

1069
00:48:03,120 --> 00:48:05,560
Speaker 1: the Broncos will have it easy dispatching the Bengals, who

1070
00:48:05,600 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: obviously have a backup quarterback and got run off of

1071
00:48:07,719 --> 00:48:10,240
Speaker 1: the field by the Minnesota Vikings, who had a backup

1072
00:48:10,320 --> 00:48:13,680
Speaker 1: quarterback themselves, although granted it was really the Viking defense

1073
00:48:13,680 --> 00:48:15,680
Speaker 1: that really did the majority of the damage.

1074
00:48:15,719 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 2: Last was one damn player, really, it really was.

1075
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:20,600
Speaker 1: It was one of the great individual performances by a

1076
00:48:20,640 --> 00:48:22,840
Speaker 1: defensive player. I won't say in the history of this.

1077
00:48:22,800 --> 00:48:26,640
Speaker 2: Sport, Dexeter Jackson against rich You had to bring that

1078
00:48:26,719 --> 00:48:29,360
Speaker 2: up in particular, Sorry, Kevin. We'll get to the Raiders

1079
00:48:29,400 --> 00:48:31,080
Speaker 2: a little bit later here, of course.

1080
00:48:31,719 --> 00:48:33,759
Speaker 1: Now, look, I agree with the train of thought that

1081
00:48:33,800 --> 00:48:36,600
Speaker 1: Denvers should run Minnesota off of the field. It's not

1082
00:48:36,640 --> 00:48:38,799
Speaker 1: as if Denver is necessarily dominating at the moment though.

1083
00:48:38,840 --> 00:48:41,080
Speaker 1: Either is the problem. Their defense did look really good

1084
00:48:41,080 --> 00:48:44,200
Speaker 1: against the Chargers. Bo Nicks just still seems a little

1085
00:48:44,239 --> 00:48:46,520
Speaker 1: bit off to me. For whatever reason. To start the season,

1086
00:48:46,920 --> 00:48:49,400
Speaker 1: he had three or four throws that if he connects

1087
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Speaker 1: on just a couple of them. Last week in LA

1088
00:48:51,680 --> 00:48:54,000
Speaker 1: they end up getting that victory against the Chargers. Had

1089
00:48:54,080 --> 00:48:57,400
Speaker 1: open guys and for whatever reason, just was unable to

1090
00:48:57,480 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: hit them. So, you know, in this situation, I kind

1091
00:49:00,320 --> 00:49:03,239
Speaker 1: of see two teams that are really desperate. You know,

1092
00:49:03,320 --> 00:49:05,640
Speaker 1: the Bengals actually in a decent position at the moment

1093
00:49:05,680 --> 00:49:07,360
Speaker 1: because the way things are looking right now in the

1094
00:49:07,400 --> 00:49:10,160
Speaker 1: AFC North, no one's really running away with it. I'm

1095
00:49:10,200 --> 00:49:12,799
Speaker 1: not that impressed with Pittsburgh, and Baltimore could be one

1096
00:49:12,840 --> 00:49:14,480
Speaker 1: and three this week depending on what happens in their

1097
00:49:14,480 --> 00:49:17,600
Speaker 1: game against Kansas City. So I do think Baltimore does

1098
00:49:17,680 --> 00:49:19,719
Speaker 1: end up turning it around late in the season, But

1099
00:49:19,840 --> 00:49:22,719
Speaker 1: right now, with the Bengals not knowing exactly what Joe

1100
00:49:22,719 --> 00:49:25,840
Speaker 1: Burrow's status is, if they can stay afloat in this division,

1101
00:49:26,280 --> 00:49:28,080
Speaker 1: even be a couple of games out by the time

1102
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Speaker 1: he potentially comes back and early December, they still have

1103
00:49:31,239 --> 00:49:33,279
Speaker 1: a chance of making the postseason. So all is not

1104
00:49:33,360 --> 00:49:37,400
Speaker 1: lost for them, and for the Broncos is the out exactly,

1105
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,680
Speaker 1: But for the Broncos it's the opposite though. The Chargers

1106
00:49:41,680 --> 00:49:43,360
Speaker 1: are three and zero in the division and basically have

1107
00:49:43,400 --> 00:49:45,520
Speaker 1: a two game lead on everybody because they've beaten everybody

1108
00:49:45,520 --> 00:49:48,480
Speaker 1: in the division already. You can't afford to fall to

1109
00:49:48,520 --> 00:49:51,160
Speaker 1: one in three. You have to win every single winnable

1110
00:49:51,160 --> 00:49:53,120
Speaker 1: game that you have on your schedule at this point

1111
00:49:53,160 --> 00:49:56,160
Speaker 1: in time, especially considering you have the Eagles coming up

1112
00:49:56,200 --> 00:49:58,680
Speaker 1: on the horizon. Hence, the trap game portion of this

1113
00:49:58,760 --> 00:50:01,440
Speaker 1: to a certain degree, maybe you overlook the Bengals a

1114
00:50:01,440 --> 00:50:04,279
Speaker 1: little bit, looking yourhead to the defending champions coming in,

1115
00:50:04,400 --> 00:50:06,239
Speaker 1: and all of a sudden you could be staring at

1116
00:50:06,239 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: a one and four start, and at that point in

1117
00:50:08,560 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: time you have no chance in hell of really winning

1118
00:50:10,880 --> 00:50:14,640
Speaker 1: the AFC West. In my heart of hearts, I don't

1119
00:50:14,640 --> 00:50:16,760
Speaker 1: think the Bengals will beat the Broncos. I really don't.

1120
00:50:17,080 --> 00:50:19,120
Speaker 1: But I do think Cincinnati will put up a strong

1121
00:50:19,160 --> 00:50:22,120
Speaker 1: fight because, say for Breeze Saints, who are just devoid

1122
00:50:22,120 --> 00:50:24,479
Speaker 1: of legit NFL talent at this point in time. Sorry Brie,

1123
00:50:24,480 --> 00:50:27,839
Speaker 1: but you know it's true. It's exceedingly rare that an

1124
00:50:27,960 --> 00:50:30,800
Speaker 1: NFL team gives run off of the field and consecutive weeks.

1125
00:50:31,239 --> 00:50:33,800
Speaker 1: That almost never happens. Yeah, so I do expect the

1126
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Speaker 1: Cincinnati Bengals to put up a bit of a fight.

1127
00:50:36,040 --> 00:50:37,600
Speaker 1: Do I think they'll cover the seven and a half

1128
00:50:37,640 --> 00:50:40,120
Speaker 1: point spread. You'll have to wait for two on two

1129
00:50:40,160 --> 00:50:41,839
Speaker 1: off to figure out at the end of the show.

1130
00:50:42,320 --> 00:50:44,799
Speaker 1: But I'll say this, I think with that spotty as

1131
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,400
Speaker 1: Denver has been early on, and with a matchup with

1132
00:50:47,400 --> 00:50:49,239
Speaker 1: the Eagles on the horizon, I think this game will

1133
00:50:49,239 --> 00:50:51,200
Speaker 1: be a lot closer than many people will assume it

1134
00:50:51,239 --> 00:50:53,320
Speaker 1: will be, and the Broncos better be careful.

1135
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Speaker 2: And that's coming from a Raider fan full disclosure. Just

1136
00:50:57,480 --> 00:51:00,160
Speaker 2: got to point that out. My trap game tap up

1137
00:51:00,160 --> 00:51:03,439
Speaker 2: here in the NFL six pack. Kevin, you remember last

1138
00:51:03,440 --> 00:51:06,880
Speaker 2: week you asked me, quote, so, when the Browns beat

1139
00:51:06,920 --> 00:51:11,000
Speaker 2: the Packers, are you still gonna say they're your Packers?

1140
00:51:11,239 --> 00:51:13,440
Speaker 1: I I did. I do remember saying that I was

1141
00:51:13,480 --> 00:51:15,520
Speaker 1: not set exactly that I was not. I stuck the

1142
00:51:15,560 --> 00:51:17,480
Speaker 1: knife in last week. I wasn't gonna twist it. So

1143
00:51:17,560 --> 00:51:20,680
Speaker 1: thank you for finishing off, finishing yourself falling on the sword.

1144
00:51:21,360 --> 00:51:24,320
Speaker 2: I'm good at that. I did hesitate when I replied

1145
00:51:24,320 --> 00:51:28,239
Speaker 2: and said, no, they'll beat my Browns, and my Browns

1146
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,400
Speaker 2: really play some defense, and that thirteen to ten upset

1147
00:51:31,480 --> 00:51:34,480
Speaker 2: victory over my former team and the Packers, who have

1148
00:51:34,560 --> 00:51:38,280
Speaker 2: been eliminated from Super Bowl contention after that late game collapse.

1149
00:51:38,360 --> 00:51:40,799
Speaker 2: When you lose to the Browns, little harsh, You're gonna

1150
00:51:40,800 --> 00:51:43,560
Speaker 2: have a tough time finding your confidence to beat anyone

1151
00:51:43,680 --> 00:51:48,080
Speaker 2: ever again. Oh that's harsh, huh? I mean the Packers

1152
00:51:48,120 --> 00:51:51,520
Speaker 2: had won three hundred straight regular season games. Went up

1153
00:51:51,600 --> 00:51:54,320
Speaker 2: by at least ten points in the final four minutes

1154
00:51:54,320 --> 00:51:58,480
Speaker 2: of the fourth quarter. Their loss last week, or the

1155
00:51:58,560 --> 00:52:01,120
Speaker 2: last time I should say a loss like that happened

1156
00:52:01,160 --> 00:52:04,880
Speaker 2: to them was nineteen sixty seven against the Baltimore Colts

1157
00:52:05,280 --> 00:52:07,960
Speaker 2: and a game where the head coaches were Vince Lombardi

1158
00:52:08,360 --> 00:52:09,280
Speaker 2: and Don Shula.

1159
00:52:09,360 --> 00:52:10,600
Speaker 1: I was in the bart Star days.

1160
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,440
Speaker 2: Oh my god, that's the last time they had a

1161
00:52:13,520 --> 00:52:17,680
Speaker 2: loss that bad. And now the Lions have to face

1162
00:52:17,800 --> 00:52:21,480
Speaker 2: this juggernaut known as the Cleveland Browns at home on

1163
00:52:21,520 --> 00:52:24,040
Speaker 2: a short week after beating the Ravens on the road

1164
00:52:24,040 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 2: on Monday night. Football smells like a trap to me.

1165
00:52:27,160 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 2: Never mind that the Browns lost to the same Ravens

1166
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:33,200
Speaker 2: team the Lions just beat forty one to seventeen in

1167
00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:37,720
Speaker 2: Week two. That's how much the Ravens beat the Browns by. Okay,

1168
00:52:38,200 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 2: even I'm not sure how much my Browns can really

1169
00:52:42,360 --> 00:52:45,439
Speaker 2: keep things competitive in Detroit against a team that used

1170
00:52:45,480 --> 00:52:47,759
Speaker 2: to suck as hard as they do. But I think

1171
00:52:47,800 --> 00:52:50,560
Speaker 2: you can make the argument this could be a trap game, Jordan.

1172
00:52:50,640 --> 00:52:53,160
Speaker 2: That's the point of this category. So I tried my best,

1173
00:52:53,800 --> 00:52:57,920
Speaker 2: like the Browns will to no avail.

1174
00:52:58,880 --> 00:53:01,799
Speaker 1: Two categories in two categories in We have plenty more

1175
00:53:01,840 --> 00:53:03,400
Speaker 1: to go, but coming up next, we got to get

1176
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:06,320
Speaker 1: to our friend Mike Sando from The Athletic does phenomenal

1177
00:53:06,400 --> 00:53:09,640
Speaker 1: job senior writer for the NFL. For the Athletic, We'll

1178
00:53:09,680 --> 00:53:12,440
Speaker 1: talk quarterbacks, We'll talk about the Jackson Dart situation. We'll

1179
00:53:12,440 --> 00:53:15,840
Speaker 1: talk about CJ. Stroud struggles, among many other things. Do

1180
00:53:15,960 --> 00:53:18,760
Speaker 1: not go anywhere. It's Kevin Figures, Adam Auslin, Fox Football

1181
00:53:18,800 --> 00:53:22,120
Speaker 1: Saturday on Fox Sports Radio, Mike Sando coming up next.

1182
00:53:23,360 --> 00:53:26,279
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1183
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1184
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1185
00:53:34,000 --> 00:53:39,520
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1186
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1194
00:54:05,480 --> 00:54:09,040
Speaker 1: Adam Alson back with you guys here on Fox Football Saturday.

1195
00:54:09,040 --> 00:54:11,640
Speaker 1: Coming up in the next segment, we will continue the

1196
00:54:11,760 --> 00:54:14,319
Speaker 1: f and a NFL six pack, but coming up right

1197
00:54:14,360 --> 00:54:17,600
Speaker 1: now with more NFL talk with a great guest from

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00:54:17,640 --> 00:54:21,080
Speaker 1: the Athletic Adam. Let's get to it, Alan Dragan did

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Speaker 1: thank you.

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Speaker 2: Well join the show right now as a man who

1201
00:54:25,960 --> 00:54:29,360
Speaker 2: handles his job with a right amount of class, professionalism

1202
00:54:29,400 --> 00:54:33,280
Speaker 2: and thoughtfulness. After all, while there's plenty of listless lists

1203
00:54:33,320 --> 00:54:35,839
Speaker 2: that come out during the long off season that are

1204
00:54:35,880 --> 00:54:39,600
Speaker 2: just tired, pointless clickbait, well, meanwhile, this man releases the

1205
00:54:39,600 --> 00:54:43,720
Speaker 2: most well researched and anticipated rankings column with his annual

1206
00:54:43,840 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 2: NFL QB Tiers list that creates buzz and his red

1207
00:54:47,239 --> 00:54:50,720
Speaker 2: meat for radio and podcast segments to sync their teeth into.

1208
00:54:51,120 --> 00:54:53,200
Speaker 2: He's a writer who's in a tier of his own.

1209
00:54:53,239 --> 00:54:56,840
Speaker 2: It's Mike Sando from the Athletic here on FNA on

1210
00:54:56,920 --> 00:55:00,000
Speaker 2: Fox Sports Radio. Mike, how are you.

1211
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:02,120
Speaker 9: I'm doing great and I'm doing better after that intro,

1212
00:55:02,640 --> 00:55:03,640
Speaker 9: you can just keep talking.

1213
00:55:03,800 --> 00:55:08,000
Speaker 3: That was great, No, I appreciate it. Good to be here.

1214
00:55:08,000 --> 00:55:09,799
Speaker 2: We've got a lot to talk about too, Yes, sir,

1215
00:55:09,920 --> 00:55:13,239
Speaker 2: let's go back to Thursday night. You know, I don't

1216
00:55:13,239 --> 00:55:15,560
Speaker 2: want to be too harsh because I know they have

1217
00:55:15,640 --> 00:55:19,080
Speaker 2: more issues than just him, his wide receivers not catching

1218
00:55:19,120 --> 00:55:22,920
Speaker 2: passes at times. But you know, Kyler Murray, he's twenty

1219
00:55:22,960 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 2: eight at this point. Has he peaked as a player?

1220
00:55:26,960 --> 00:55:29,319
Speaker 2: Is he ever going to be consistent enough for you

1221
00:55:29,400 --> 00:55:32,200
Speaker 2: to win at the highest level with No?

1222
00:55:32,239 --> 00:55:33,040
Speaker 3: I don't think he will be.

1223
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:36,040
Speaker 9: I think he's he is what he is after seven years,

1224
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,200
Speaker 9: and there's good and bad with his style of play

1225
00:55:38,200 --> 00:55:41,120
Speaker 9: and his size. There's limitations with his size. I think

1226
00:55:41,120 --> 00:55:44,719
Speaker 9: you need to see that it's hard to be consistent

1227
00:55:45,040 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 9: when you have a hard time seeing you're small and

1228
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:53,680
Speaker 9: you have to, you know, be making a lot of

1229
00:55:53,719 --> 00:55:56,799
Speaker 9: your value beyond scrambling and running around. And even then

1230
00:55:57,000 --> 00:56:00,560
Speaker 9: it's hard sometimes for him to deliver the ball accurately

1231
00:56:00,560 --> 00:56:04,080
Speaker 9: down the field with enough strength. So I don't anticipate

1232
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,120
Speaker 9: those things getting better as he gets older. We also

1233
00:56:07,200 --> 00:56:10,279
Speaker 9: know that, you know, from early in his career, there

1234
00:56:10,280 --> 00:56:13,000
Speaker 9: were concerns about, you know, just his level of preparation.

1235
00:56:13,360 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 9: I'm sure he's improved on that, but do I think

1236
00:56:15,600 --> 00:56:20,480
Speaker 9: he's an elite preparer now? Who you know raises the

1237
00:56:20,560 --> 00:56:23,959
Speaker 9: level of preparation for his team or any of those things.

1238
00:56:23,960 --> 00:56:25,640
Speaker 9: I don't think so, you know, so, I think he

1239
00:56:25,719 --> 00:56:28,440
Speaker 9: is what he is. He's good enough to, you know,

1240
00:56:28,520 --> 00:56:31,000
Speaker 9: be the starting quarterback. But I don't think that he's

1241
00:56:31,040 --> 00:56:33,560
Speaker 9: going to elevate a team or get them to another

1242
00:56:33,680 --> 00:56:36,320
Speaker 9: level in the playoffs without having you know, a really

1243
00:56:36,600 --> 00:56:40,520
Speaker 9: tough top defense or you know, a great run game

1244
00:56:40,560 --> 00:56:42,160
Speaker 9: with that defense, that sort of thing.

1245
00:56:42,960 --> 00:56:45,680
Speaker 1: Mike, what's your take on CJ. Stroud and his struggle

1246
00:56:45,760 --> 00:56:47,720
Speaker 1: so far early this season? You know, he had issues

1247
00:56:47,760 --> 00:56:50,120
Speaker 1: last year and year two with slowic, so they get

1248
00:56:50,200 --> 00:56:52,080
Speaker 1: rid of him, bringing Nick Cayley, and it seems like

1249
00:56:52,120 --> 00:56:55,799
Speaker 1: the offensive issues have continued in Houston. Is this one

1250
00:56:55,800 --> 00:56:57,680
Speaker 1: of those examples? Is it from what you're seeing and

1251
00:56:57,680 --> 00:57:00,200
Speaker 1: people you're talking to, is this an issue for him

1252
00:57:00,719 --> 00:57:02,279
Speaker 1: of his and the way that he's playing, or is

1253
00:57:02,320 --> 00:57:04,680
Speaker 1: it the issue of the talent and the scheme around

1254
00:57:04,760 --> 00:57:07,719
Speaker 1: him that's causing him to underperform this year.

1255
00:57:08,560 --> 00:57:10,200
Speaker 3: I think it's more of what's around him, you know.

1256
00:57:10,440 --> 00:57:13,680
Speaker 9: I think, look, if he was a superstar, he'd probably

1257
00:57:13,680 --> 00:57:16,800
Speaker 9: do a little bit better overcoming what's around him. But

1258
00:57:16,840 --> 00:57:19,880
Speaker 9: I think we've seen that he can be good when

1259
00:57:19,920 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 9: it's right around him.

1260
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:22,320
Speaker 3: And I think that's still true.

1261
00:57:22,640 --> 00:57:26,120
Speaker 9: You know, they made changes that we're going to that

1262
00:57:26,640 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 9: it is like they made changes on offense more to

1263
00:57:29,000 --> 00:57:31,200
Speaker 9: make changes because they didn't like what they had before,

1264
00:57:31,280 --> 00:57:33,800
Speaker 9: as opposed to definitely upgrading. So what I mean by

1265
00:57:33,800 --> 00:57:36,800
Speaker 9: that is you change four to fifthy of your offensive

1266
00:57:36,840 --> 00:57:39,600
Speaker 9: line and you get rid of Tunsul because they kind

1267
00:57:39,640 --> 00:57:41,800
Speaker 9: of wanted to change the culture on their offensive line.

1268
00:57:42,160 --> 00:57:45,120
Speaker 9: But on paper, are they more talented there? I would

1269
00:57:45,400 --> 00:57:48,520
Speaker 9: say that's hard to say. And then number two, what's

1270
00:57:48,560 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 9: the one unit on your team that takes the most

1271
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:54,560
Speaker 9: continuity and time together to be good? It's obvious the

1272
00:57:54,560 --> 00:57:57,840
Speaker 9: offensive line. So you probably didn't get more talented and

1273
00:57:57,880 --> 00:57:59,640
Speaker 9: you had a bunch of change on the offensive line.

1274
00:57:59,680 --> 00:58:01,880
Speaker 9: I think out that makes it hard to.

1275
00:58:01,840 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 3: Be good right away. And C. J.

1276
00:58:04,000 --> 00:58:07,400
Speaker 9: Stroud has has had a hard time when when he's

1277
00:58:07,440 --> 00:58:10,920
Speaker 9: had pressure and you can see that he's not he's not,

1278
00:58:12,600 --> 00:58:15,080
Speaker 9: you know, not doing as well with that. I think

1279
00:58:15,080 --> 00:58:17,440
Speaker 9: he also is not like he's a bad processor, but

1280
00:58:17,440 --> 00:58:21,040
Speaker 9: I don't think he's He's just elite and super quick either.

1281
00:58:21,120 --> 00:58:23,360
Speaker 9: So now you put pressure on him, lose some of

1282
00:58:23,400 --> 00:58:26,040
Speaker 9: his confidence in his production, I think you get a

1283
00:58:26,080 --> 00:58:27,080
Speaker 9: worst version of C. J.

1284
00:58:27,200 --> 00:58:27,600
Speaker 3: Stroud.

1285
00:58:27,800 --> 00:58:31,280
Speaker 9: They also took two rookie wide receivers that everybody liked

1286
00:58:31,280 --> 00:58:34,080
Speaker 9: from Ohio State, but those guys at that position usually

1287
00:58:34,080 --> 00:58:36,840
Speaker 9: need time. And then he got a new offensive coordinator

1288
00:58:36,840 --> 00:58:37,520
Speaker 9: who had never.

1289
00:58:37,440 --> 00:58:38,400
Speaker 3: Called plays before.

1290
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Speaker 9: So even if he's good in the right choice, do

1291
00:58:40,920 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 9: we think he's going to be great right out of

1292
00:58:43,640 --> 00:58:46,200
Speaker 9: the gates with all these new pieces. I don't think so.

1293
00:58:46,200 --> 00:58:48,840
Speaker 9: So to me, that's a lot of things around him

1294
00:58:49,480 --> 00:58:52,840
Speaker 9: that you know, are a factor for them early in

1295
00:58:52,880 --> 00:58:53,160
Speaker 9: the year.

1296
00:58:53,640 --> 00:58:55,960
Speaker 2: Mike Sando from the Athletic is our guest here on

1297
00:58:56,120 --> 00:58:59,400
Speaker 2: fn A on FSR. Mike gets early in the season,

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Speaker 2: but are you watching or seeing any quarterbacks like maybe

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Speaker 2: Herbert or Golf and thinking they could be moving into

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Speaker 2: the tier one of those NFL quarterback ratings coming up

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Speaker 2: next next offseason.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, you know, Herbert has been close, and I think

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Speaker 9: he's probably gonna make it. I like what I'm seeing

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Speaker 9: from him. They're putting the ball in his hands more

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Speaker 9: a little bit early in the games, and that's been

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Speaker 9: a shift. I think he's done better in some of

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Speaker 9: those late game situations. They scored on their final two

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Speaker 9: drives last week against Denver to win. That was pretty cool. Obviously,

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Speaker 9: the big confidence building win against Kansas.

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Speaker 3: City was big for them.

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Speaker 9: So I think, you know, look, he's going to be

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Speaker 9: tough in the plass, but I think there's a much

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Speaker 9: better chance of Herbert finally winning a playoff game, breaking

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Speaker 9: through a little bit. I think that'll help him. I

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Speaker 9: think he does have a really good chance to be

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Speaker 9: in the top tier when we do it next year.

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Speaker 9: I'm not sure if Golf moved up this last year.

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Speaker 9: I just don't know that people perceive him to be,

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Speaker 9: you know, quite the same physically, But I think he

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Speaker 9: has a chance to go near the top of tier two.

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Speaker 1: Speaking of golf Let's transition to his former offensive coordinator,

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Speaker 1: Nahelk head coach in Chicago, Ben Johnson with Caleb Williams.

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Speaker 1: Do we think that Caleb has turned a corner based

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Speaker 1: on his performance last week? Or was he just taking

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Speaker 1: advantage of what looks like one of the worst defenses

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Speaker 1: in the NFL this year, the Dallas Cowboys secondary.

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Speaker 9: Yeah, I think both those things can be a little

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Speaker 9: bit true. You know, I think surely the schedule has

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Speaker 9: helped there the last couple.

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Speaker 3: Of games, But.

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Speaker 9: You can't deny that he's looked better and he's thrown

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Speaker 9: the ball better on time. He hasn't been you know,

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Speaker 9: he could have easily had bad games against bad defenses,

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Speaker 9: that he was a bad quarterback.

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Speaker 3: So I am.

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Speaker 9: Generally encouraged last couple of games. I think there's still

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Speaker 9: going to be some ups and downs, but I'm not

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Speaker 9: going to just write it off because of the level

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Speaker 9: of the competition. And what I want to see is

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Speaker 9: when they played better defenses and better teams that he's

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Speaker 9: not awful right to just be able to manage it

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Speaker 9: and hang in there and show some resilience and make

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Speaker 9: some place too, instead of having the six sac game

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Speaker 9: where it just looks like it's too fast for you.

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Speaker 9: And that's what we need to see as it goes along.

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Speaker 2: Mike, do you see any semblance of logic with the

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Speaker 2: Cowboys trading Micael Parsons to the Packers. Who they'll see

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Speaker 2: this weekend is Jerry Jones. Does he have any defense

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Speaker 2: for this?

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Speaker 9: I think there is a I'll say this, that's a

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Speaker 9: lot of money to pay for somebody if you don't

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Speaker 9: think that they are more than a special talent. And

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Speaker 9: so did they have concerns about him in terms of

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Speaker 9: his leadership or the way he works. Those are the

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Speaker 9: types of things behind the scenes that teams take into

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Speaker 9: consideration when deciding whether to go to that level forty

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Speaker 9: five million a year. So I think it remains to

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Speaker 9: be seen what they do with those resources. Is that

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Speaker 9: for good players for them in the future, But right now,

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Speaker 9: you know, it's hard to justify because they're so bad

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Speaker 9: rushing the passer.

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Speaker 3: You could say, maybe they.

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Speaker 9: Win, you know, at least one more game with Michael Parsons,

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Speaker 9: they just haven't even been able to, you know, Chase

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Speaker 9: Down of Jewen Hurts, you know, early in the season.

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Speaker 3: That's sort of the thing.

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Speaker 9: So I'd get it at that amount of money of

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Speaker 9: not just giving it to anybody if you have some reservations,

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Speaker 9: but they've got to really rebound from it well to

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Speaker 9: make it worthwhile.

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Speaker 1: Mike Sando of the Athletic joining us here on Fox

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Speaker 1: Football Saturday. Kevin figures in Adam Auslin fn A on FSR.

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Speaker 1: You know, while speaking of the Cowboys secondary, one of

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Speaker 1: the quarterbacks that lit them up was Russell Wilson, who

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Speaker 1: is now on the bench in New York in place

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Speaker 1: of Jackson Dart. Is this just a desperation move by

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Speaker 1: a Giants front office that knows that their jobs could

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Speaker 1: be in jeopardy, or do you think that they think

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Speaker 1: Jackson Dart gives them a legitimate shot to be competitive

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Speaker 1: in games more so than Russell Wilson.

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Speaker 9: I think of those things are true, you know. I

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Speaker 9: think they Jackson Dirt was impressive in the preseason, and

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Speaker 9: he was impressive in camp, and coaches that saw him

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Speaker 9: and watched him thought this guy looks like he might

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Speaker 9: have it. So I think there is an excitement over

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Speaker 9: Jackson Dart that is real and probably somewhat justified.

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Speaker 3: Now.

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Speaker 9: They're also tired of looking at Russell Wilson clearly, and

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Speaker 9: they know, you know, the fans booing and wanting Jackson Dart.

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Speaker 9: There's definitely a component where if Brian Daball was in

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Speaker 9: his first season right now, I think there would be

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Speaker 9: a lot more chance that they would wait a few

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Speaker 9: couple more games. But the fact that he needs to

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Speaker 9: win now and the GM is under some pressure I

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Speaker 9: think does expedite how quickly they put.

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Speaker 2: Him in mike. Which of these two teams can least

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Speaker 2: afford to start one in three between the Ravens and Chiefs,

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Speaker 2: who are playing each other, and if there's not a tie,

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Speaker 2: somebody's going to be one and three.

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Speaker 9: You know, maybe it's maybe the Chiefs. I just believe

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Speaker 9: in the fundamentals of the Ravens more in terms of

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Speaker 9: I think they're going to be a really good offense

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Speaker 9: the whole year, and their defense in the past has

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Speaker 9: shown them the ability at least get better over the

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Speaker 9: course of the year. So I think they're going to

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Speaker 9: win games. I'm not that worried about their record. I

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Speaker 9: think the Chiefs they get to one and three in

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Speaker 9: that division, having you know, already lost, you know, to

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Speaker 9: the Chargers. Look, I'm not saying I'm going to miss

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Speaker 9: the playoffs, but like I'm a little bit more worried

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Speaker 9: about them being able to rebound and win eleven games,

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Speaker 9: whereas I think like the Ravens might win eleven games

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Speaker 9: even if they start one and three.

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Speaker 3: Does that make sense?

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Speaker 2: Yeah, And their division is right for the taking of

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Speaker 2: course right now, especially with Joe Burrow out.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yep, I agree.

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Speaker 1: Mike. What's your your level book of concern for Michael

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Speaker 1: Pennix coming into year two as a starter. It just

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Speaker 1: hasn't happened for him yet. For whatever particular reason, he's

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Speaker 1: been fairly pedestrian. Even in that victory against the Vikings,

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Speaker 1: they mostly just bludging them. In the second half in

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Speaker 1: Pinnicks did to really do much. What are you saying

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Speaker 1: as a source of the struggle for Pinicks so far.

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Speaker 9: Well, what worries me about that is just you know,

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Speaker 9: how desperate are they as a for an office and

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Speaker 9: coaching you know, staff to do this. I think it's

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Speaker 9: a weird situation with Kirk Cousins there. I think that's

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Speaker 9: less than ideal. Even the way Raheem Morris talked about Cousins,

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Speaker 9: he sort of you know, he kind of caught it

1431
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Speaker 9: hit him with some strays and the press conference last week,

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Speaker 9: it was weird to me, just like, hey, of course

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Speaker 9: Penis is starting, Kirk got bench last year. You didn't

1434
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Speaker 9: need to say that part, you know about about Kirk Cousins.

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Speaker 9: So it just feels it feels a little off to me.

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Speaker 9: And so I'm a little bit more worried about, Like

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Speaker 9: I like Penix, I'm just a little bit more worried

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Speaker 9: about the situation and the anxiety there just in the

1439
01:05:46,280 --> 01:05:50,120
Speaker 9: building that I'm perceiving. They really need a win, and

1440
01:05:50,200 --> 01:05:53,320
Speaker 9: so you know, we're losing thirty to nothing and replacing Penix.

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Speaker 9: I'm not willing to hold Panics too much to account

1442
01:05:57,400 --> 01:06:01,040
Speaker 9: right now because of the situation and it's so early

1443
01:06:01,120 --> 01:06:01,480
Speaker 9: for him.

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Speaker 1: Mike.

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Speaker 2: Much of the talk with your QB tier list was

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Speaker 2: about Jalen Hurts and where should he be and the

1447
01:06:08,520 --> 01:06:11,600
Speaker 2: tush push and is it too gimmicky? They rely on

1448
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:14,440
Speaker 2: that too much? And now the conversation's back and it

1449
01:06:14,480 --> 01:06:18,480
Speaker 2: feels like by next summer it could be outlawed. What's

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Speaker 2: your perception of Jalen Hurts if they no longer have

1451
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Speaker 2: that option? Does he get lowered on your tiers list? Like?

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Speaker 3: Yeah?

1453
01:06:25,840 --> 01:06:29,400
Speaker 2: Is it something that they just rely upon far too much?

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01:06:29,960 --> 01:06:32,720
Speaker 3: I didn't think that before, you know too much.

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Speaker 9: I sort of thought, as you know, a bullet in

1456
01:06:36,800 --> 01:06:38,800
Speaker 9: their gun, but not the whole attack. And I think

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01:06:38,800 --> 01:06:41,760
Speaker 9: it's two bullets in their gun now. They they had

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Speaker 9: where it was like seven times in a game, or

1459
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Speaker 9: you know, a certain percentage of their places it was

1460
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Speaker 9: pretty high, So I do think they would be hurt

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Speaker 9: without it. I think it does change the kind of

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01:06:52,440 --> 01:06:55,600
Speaker 9: the calculus of how they play and being able to

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Speaker 9: be a four down offense a little bit more easily.

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Speaker 9: I give Jalen Hurts some credit though, Like they were

1465
01:07:00,400 --> 01:07:03,040
Speaker 9: down nineteen points last week and won the game. It

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Speaker 9: wasn't like he was just you know, spraying it all

1467
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Speaker 9: over the yard, but they hit a couple deep balls

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01:07:06,800 --> 01:07:09,320
Speaker 9: and did what he had to do. So I think

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Speaker 9: his standing in the tiers will probably be just determined

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Speaker 9: by more the rest of the season, how he plays,

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Speaker 9: how far they go. And I think if they outlawed

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Speaker 9: the tush push, it'll be something people mention, but I

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01:07:22,720 --> 01:07:26,000
Speaker 9: don't think it's going to just completely, you know, undermine

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Speaker 9: them all the way.

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Speaker 1: Mike, I'm intrigued by the Cleveland Browns. Who was their

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01:07:29,920 --> 01:07:32,800
Speaker 1: defense has played extremely well so far these first three games.

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Speaker 1: Even against Baltimore. I know it was a lopsided score,

1478
01:07:35,560 --> 01:07:37,920
Speaker 1: but you know, lost fumble, pick six block punt that

1479
01:07:38,000 --> 01:07:40,480
Speaker 1: certainly didn't help their calls. Now they have Junkins in

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Speaker 1: the mix, and he looks to be an impact player

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01:07:42,760 --> 01:07:45,600
Speaker 1: based on last week. They keep Flacco healthy, do you

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Speaker 1: think it's possible they could jump up and bite a

1483
01:07:47,720 --> 01:07:50,000
Speaker 1: few more teams like they did against Green Bay and

1484
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Speaker 1: make anyone who took the under on that five win

1485
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Speaker 1: total make them a little bit nervous.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, I'll buy that.

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Speaker 9: You know, the problem is they've scored sixteen, seventeen and

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Speaker 9: thirteen points, so.

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Speaker 3: You know you really have to you know, against the

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Speaker 3: Green Bay that probably shouldn't be enough. Against Detroit this week,

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Speaker 3: it probably shouldn't be enough.

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Speaker 9: It maybe enough against Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Miami, New England.

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Speaker 3: So I don't know how many of the.

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Speaker 9: Top teams that they're going to beat, but I do

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01:08:17,680 --> 01:08:20,880
Speaker 9: think that they're that defense, and you know, maybe just

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01:08:20,920 --> 01:08:23,920
Speaker 9: a little bit of Okaynes's on, you know, with Flacco

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Speaker 9: and a decent runner can get them to that, like

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Speaker 9: you said, to maybe exceed their win total, just based

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Speaker 9: on some of these teams they're playing that look like

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Speaker 9: you know, I mentioned they're going to play Minnesota, Pittsburgh, Miami,

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01:08:38,000 --> 01:08:40,360
Speaker 9: New England, the Jets, and then a couple of weeks

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Speaker 9: later the Raiders, a couple weeks later to the Titans.

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01:08:43,479 --> 01:08:45,519
Speaker 9: There's enough teams in there that maybe that you know

1504
01:08:45,560 --> 01:08:48,280
Speaker 9: their defense, maybe they win four of those games, you know,

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01:08:48,320 --> 01:08:49,360
Speaker 9: and then you're at five.

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Speaker 1: That's right, and last one here for you, Mike Mike

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Speaker 1: Sando of the Athletic joining us here FNA on FSR

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Speaker 1: you are a Pro Football Hall of Fame voter, and

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01:08:56,840 --> 01:08:59,160
Speaker 1: the list of a thirteen first year candidates did come

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01:08:59,200 --> 01:09:01,080
Speaker 1: out earlier this year. You don't have to give away

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Speaker 1: your vote unless unless you feel comfortable doing so. I'll

1512
01:09:03,200 --> 01:09:05,240
Speaker 1: leave that up to you. But are there any players

1513
01:09:05,240 --> 01:09:08,320
Speaker 1: on that list that you believe or should be slam

1514
01:09:08,360 --> 01:09:10,479
Speaker 1: dunk first ballot guys? You know big names will be

1515
01:09:10,479 --> 01:09:13,080
Speaker 1: like Larry Fitzgerald, Jason Witt and Drew Brees, Philip Rivers

1516
01:09:13,360 --> 01:09:15,280
Speaker 1: and Frank Gore. Any of those guys do you think

1517
01:09:15,280 --> 01:09:17,280
Speaker 1: in your mind I have a great chance of being

1518
01:09:17,320 --> 01:09:18,200
Speaker 1: a first ballot guy.

1519
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:21,080
Speaker 9: I think Drew Brees. If he's not, then we need

1520
01:09:21,080 --> 01:09:24,080
Speaker 9: to reevaluate the process. I mean, come on. And then

1521
01:09:24,120 --> 01:09:26,599
Speaker 9: Larry Fitzgerald too. I think he's a great player who

1522
01:09:27,000 --> 01:09:30,200
Speaker 9: you know, let's not let's not forget how great he was.

1523
01:09:30,240 --> 01:09:32,320
Speaker 9: He hung on a while and was just good. But man,

1524
01:09:32,360 --> 01:09:36,479
Speaker 9: he was a great player, great playoff performer. Those two guys,

1525
01:09:36,479 --> 01:09:40,960
Speaker 9: to me, be very surprised if they don't go right in.

1526
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,240
Speaker 2: Oh, Mike's a first ballot Hall of Famer and writer

1527
01:09:44,439 --> 01:09:46,920
Speaker 2: in our book, and he does it for the athletic

1528
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 2: Follow him at Sando NFL and read his latest for

1529
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:53,080
Speaker 2: The Athletic What Ails the NFL's six winless teams For

1530
01:09:53,160 --> 01:09:57,479
Speaker 2: someone's obvious others might surprise you, Mike, no surprise. You

1531
01:09:57,520 --> 01:10:00,400
Speaker 2: were fantastic here on fn A on FSR. Thanks so

1532
01:10:00,479 --> 01:10:01,120
Speaker 2: much for doing this.

1533
01:10:01,600 --> 01:10:03,719
Speaker 3: Thank you. I had a good time. Yes next time?

1534
01:10:03,800 --> 01:10:05,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, so do we? Mike appreciate it. Bree got all

1535
01:10:05,960 --> 01:10:08,280
Speaker 1: excited when Mike said that he thought Drew Brees was

1536
01:10:08,280 --> 01:10:11,400
Speaker 1: a slam dunk first ballot Hall of Famer And how

1537
01:10:11,439 --> 01:10:13,360
Speaker 1: could you disagree with him? I mean, Drew Brees, what

1538
01:10:13,880 --> 01:10:16,439
Speaker 1: Lee's the league in passing yards? Super Bowl champion?

1539
01:10:17,320 --> 01:10:20,200
Speaker 2: Why don't you ask Brett favre Well how he felt

1540
01:10:20,760 --> 01:10:25,639
Speaker 2: being sacked inappropriately multiple times in that NFC championship game

1541
01:10:25,680 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 2: in what two thousand and nine because they put a

1542
01:10:27,760 --> 01:10:30,439
Speaker 2: bounty out on him? Kevin that pocket?

1543
01:10:30,520 --> 01:10:32,639
Speaker 1: That pocket? Look, I mean the pocket looked pretty clean

1544
01:10:32,640 --> 01:10:34,240
Speaker 1: when he threw that interception in overtime.

1545
01:10:34,320 --> 01:10:35,599
Speaker 2: Do you want to give me the call? And how

1546
01:10:35,600 --> 01:10:36,160
Speaker 2: that sounder on.

1547
01:10:36,160 --> 01:10:39,760
Speaker 1: The ri Detroit man, this is the Super Bowl bounty.

1548
01:10:39,720 --> 01:10:42,000
Speaker 2: Has nothing to do with Drew Brees' legacy. I just

1549
01:10:42,040 --> 01:10:44,960
Speaker 2: want to say, whatever, well, what about helped him win

1550
01:10:45,000 --> 01:10:45,599
Speaker 2: his Super Bowl.

1551
01:10:45,640 --> 01:10:47,320
Speaker 1: I think that had something to do with it. I

1552
01:10:47,360 --> 01:10:48,839
Speaker 1: will say, what about Mulgate.

1553
01:10:49,160 --> 01:10:49,360
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1554
01:10:49,640 --> 01:10:50,880
Speaker 1: I mean, if you're going to end up being in

1555
01:10:50,920 --> 01:10:53,040
Speaker 1: the top, you know, top tier, the top two or

1556
01:10:53,040 --> 01:10:55,280
Speaker 1: three of all time leading passers in the league history,

1557
01:10:55,600 --> 01:10:57,559
Speaker 1: sure he'd be a Hall of Famer. I think the

1558
01:10:57,800 --> 01:10:59,439
Speaker 1: whether or not he'd be a first ballot, I think

1559
01:10:59,479 --> 01:11:01,840
Speaker 1: maybe the Super Bowl championship puts that over the top.

1560
01:11:01,840 --> 01:11:03,200
Speaker 1: But he was gonna get in regardless.

1561
01:11:03,280 --> 01:11:06,360
Speaker 2: I get since you've had a deal with Spencer Rattler

1562
01:11:06,479 --> 01:11:09,479
Speaker 2: as of late, that you're always gonna think very fondly

1563
01:11:09,560 --> 01:11:11,880
Speaker 2: of the last great quarterback that played for the New

1564
01:11:12,000 --> 01:11:14,640
Speaker 2: Orleans Saints and maybe one of the few outside of

1565
01:11:14,600 --> 01:11:20,400
Speaker 2: Aaron Brooks. I liked Aaron Brooks. He put up some numbers.

1566
01:11:20,800 --> 01:11:22,320
Speaker 1: I did not because he did not put up, you know,

1567
01:11:22,320 --> 01:11:24,080
Speaker 1: all the numbers he put up with the Raiders in

1568
01:11:24,120 --> 01:11:28,919
Speaker 1: Oakland sack numbers. Look, John Merriman, former host and contributor

1569
01:11:28,960 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: at Fox Sports Radio, had like seven sacks on opening

1570
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:34,280
Speaker 1: night against the Raiders in two thousand and five.

1571
01:11:34,280 --> 01:11:37,840
Speaker 2: I believe it was that happened. Did he tie the

1572
01:11:37,880 --> 01:11:42,719
Speaker 2: all time record with the late great to Thomas and

1573
01:11:43,439 --> 01:11:49,320
Speaker 2: you who am I thinking up from? The Giants had

1574
01:11:49,360 --> 01:11:51,439
Speaker 2: seven sacks in a game, and of course Derek.

1575
01:11:51,280 --> 01:11:53,519
Speaker 1: Thomas, Yeah, I don't believe that Sean Merriman had seven,

1576
01:11:53,520 --> 01:11:54,760
Speaker 1: but as sure as hell felt.

1577
01:11:54,479 --> 01:11:57,000
Speaker 2: Like it, and he definitely celebrated a lot. And he's

1578
01:11:57,040 --> 01:12:00,160
Speaker 2: still doing some celebrating now whenever his Chargers win, which

1579
01:12:00,240 --> 01:12:02,680
Speaker 2: is often yeah these days. All right, speaking of we

1580
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,280
Speaker 2: may be talking to Chargers coming up next. We got

1581
01:12:05,320 --> 01:12:08,719
Speaker 2: our beer Goggles game and our old Troy potential game

1582
01:12:08,800 --> 01:12:12,800
Speaker 2: in the NFL six pack. You're listening to FNA on FSR.

1583
01:12:14,439 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: FNA, oh figures and Adam, I get it. That's right.

1584
01:12:18,320 --> 01:12:20,479
Speaker 1: For the best pregame show every weekend, be sure to

1585
01:12:20,479 --> 01:12:23,960
Speaker 1: tune into Fox Sports Radios count Down to Kickoff presented

1586
01:12:24,040 --> 01:12:27,479
Speaker 1: by bet MGM every Saturday and Sunday morning. We will

1587
01:12:27,560 --> 01:12:29,680
Speaker 1: count you down to all of the biggest games for

1588
01:12:29,840 --> 01:12:32,960
Speaker 1: three hours right up until kickoff, for all of the

1589
01:12:33,000 --> 01:12:35,840
Speaker 1: best plays and up to the second injury news. Tune

1590
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,439
Speaker 1: in to count Down to Kickoff, presented by bet MGM

1591
01:12:38,600 --> 01:12:41,960
Speaker 1: every Saturday and Sunday morning right here on Fox Sports

1592
01:12:42,040 --> 01:12:43,599
Speaker 1: Radio and the iHeart app.

1593
01:12:43,800 --> 01:12:46,320
Speaker 2: Coming up, we will get back into college football. We

1594
01:12:46,360 --> 01:12:50,439
Speaker 2: mentioned what happened earlier tonight with Florida State fallowing Number

1595
01:12:50,439 --> 01:12:53,240
Speaker 2: eight goes down, it takes them out.

1596
01:12:53,080 --> 01:12:55,240
Speaker 1: A trap game. You they play against Miami next weekend.

1597
01:12:55,320 --> 01:12:56,960
Speaker 1: That would have been a top ten matchup between them

1598
01:12:57,000 --> 01:12:59,080
Speaker 1: and the Hurricanes for the first time since twenty thirteen.

1599
01:12:59,200 --> 01:13:01,679
Speaker 2: Perhaps they were looking this game for some reason.

1600
01:13:01,960 --> 01:13:03,519
Speaker 1: Not gonna be the case now because florist State is

1601
01:13:03,560 --> 01:13:05,560
Speaker 1: definitely going to drop after losing to Virginia.

1602
01:13:05,600 --> 01:13:08,559
Speaker 2: We do have more NFL six pack to get into, though,

1603
01:13:08,680 --> 01:13:10,400
Speaker 2: and we want to tell you about our old Troy

1604
01:13:10,439 --> 01:13:12,920
Speaker 2: potential pick before we play this sound, because you need

1605
01:13:12,960 --> 01:13:16,360
Speaker 2: to know what this means. This means this game could

1606
01:13:16,360 --> 01:13:19,519
Speaker 2: have an epic fail in it. Someone could lose in

1607
01:13:19,680 --> 01:13:24,280
Speaker 2: horrific fashion. Somebody could blow a game, somebody could miss

1608
01:13:24,320 --> 01:13:27,120
Speaker 2: a kick. Because this sound you're about to hear right

1609
01:13:27,160 --> 01:13:30,280
Speaker 2: now happened in twenty sixteen when Blair Walsh in a

1610
01:13:30,280 --> 01:13:33,360
Speaker 2: wild card game for the Vikings versus the Seahawks, only

1611
01:13:33,439 --> 01:13:35,720
Speaker 2: had to kick a twenty six yarder to give the

1612
01:13:35,800 --> 01:13:38,720
Speaker 2: Vikings the victory. But this old man named Troy was

1613
01:13:38,760 --> 01:13:42,600
Speaker 2: watching it, and thank goodness, this Vikings fan was recorded.

1614
01:13:43,760 --> 01:14:06,200
Speaker 10: Oh my god, Oh my god, I'm so sorry, Yeah,

1615
01:14:06,320 --> 01:14:10,400
Speaker 10: old Troy, the old man breaking his cane there watching

1616
01:14:10,439 --> 01:14:12,679
Speaker 10: Blair Walsh miss that field goal.

1617
01:14:12,760 --> 01:14:15,040
Speaker 2: Kevin, you got no Troy potential? Pick I do.

1618
01:14:15,439 --> 01:14:17,479
Speaker 1: Now I'm going to the Raiders, who can get run

1619
01:14:17,520 --> 01:14:23,599
Speaker 1: off of the field by this resurgent, dominant Chicago Bears offense. Now,

1620
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,120
Speaker 1: as much optimism as there was for the Raider fans

1621
01:14:26,160 --> 01:14:28,800
Speaker 1: coming into the season, anyone who was truly realistic knew

1622
01:14:29,320 --> 01:14:30,800
Speaker 1: it was gonna take a little bit of time to

1623
01:14:30,800 --> 01:14:33,400
Speaker 1: get this thing going. Yes, they looked okay against New England,

1624
01:14:33,680 --> 01:14:36,679
Speaker 1: but it also took hell Mary, not quite a hell Mary,

1625
01:14:36,680 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: but a third and twenty conversion from Gino Smith to

1626
01:14:39,800 --> 01:14:42,800
Speaker 1: actually seal that game against the Patriots, who are one

1627
01:14:42,800 --> 01:14:44,760
Speaker 1: of the worst teams in the NFL. So there's no

1628
01:14:44,880 --> 01:14:48,120
Speaker 1: designs that the Raiders were as world beaters by any

1629
01:14:48,160 --> 01:14:51,240
Speaker 1: stretch of the imagination. The Chargers bludging them obviously, and

1630
01:14:51,240 --> 01:14:53,560
Speaker 1: then Washington just ran them off of the field and

1631
01:14:53,640 --> 01:14:56,679
Speaker 1: the nation's capital last week. So now incomes a Bears

1632
01:14:56,680 --> 01:14:58,960
Speaker 1: team that's riding high off of that dominant victory over

1633
01:14:59,040 --> 01:15:02,120
Speaker 1: Dallas where Caleb Boy had probably his best day.

1634
01:15:02,479 --> 01:15:04,320
Speaker 2: I was a pro definitely, that was one of the

1635
01:15:04,360 --> 01:15:06,879
Speaker 2: best days by any Bears quarterback period.

1636
01:15:06,960 --> 01:15:09,800
Speaker 1: That is true. Now the bar was extremely low too.

1637
01:15:09,880 --> 01:15:11,720
Speaker 2: I think it was the first time someone had four

1638
01:15:11,760 --> 01:15:15,439
Speaker 2: touchdowns to zero interceptions. Did Jay Cutler center for the

1639
01:15:15,439 --> 01:15:16,960
Speaker 2: Bears since Rex Grossman.

1640
01:15:17,080 --> 01:15:19,360
Speaker 1: Rex gross Rex Grossman actually had a game for the

1641
01:15:19,360 --> 01:15:22,160
Speaker 1: Bears where he did not throw an interception, feast or famine.

1642
01:15:22,200 --> 01:15:24,599
Speaker 1: I gotta check those stats. I don't believe those stats

1643
01:15:24,600 --> 01:15:25,080
Speaker 1: all right.

1644
01:15:25,120 --> 01:15:27,240
Speaker 2: Maybe it was just the four touchdowns part he did,

1645
01:15:27,280 --> 01:15:28,720
Speaker 2: but he also had four picks that game.

1646
01:15:28,800 --> 01:15:30,599
Speaker 1: I gotta look into that. But this will be another

1647
01:15:30,640 --> 01:15:33,240
Speaker 1: big test really for both Caleb Williams and the Bears offense,

1648
01:15:33,520 --> 01:15:35,640
Speaker 1: but mostly for this Raider team in general. But if

1649
01:15:35,640 --> 01:15:37,800
Speaker 1: that Chicago offense is going to continue off of that

1650
01:15:37,880 --> 01:15:40,919
Speaker 1: momentum from last week, and that Raider offensive line continues

1651
01:15:40,920 --> 01:15:43,160
Speaker 1: to struggle to open up holes for Ashton Gentz like

1652
01:15:43,160 --> 01:15:45,559
Speaker 1: it has, I think Vegas could be in line for

1653
01:15:45,600 --> 01:15:48,160
Speaker 1: an eight to fourteen point loss. I know I said

1654
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:51,160
Speaker 1: earlier when talking about the Broncos and the Bengals that

1655
01:15:51,200 --> 01:15:52,880
Speaker 1: it's rare that a team gets run off the field

1656
01:15:53,080 --> 01:15:56,519
Speaker 1: in consecutive weeks. Considering how the Raiders have played, I

1657
01:15:56,520 --> 01:15:59,479
Speaker 1: can actually see that happening. The Raiders suck even with

1658
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,720
Speaker 1: him being in a home So I actually think the

1659
01:16:01,800 --> 01:16:05,040
Speaker 1: Raiders do respond at this in this game and actually

1660
01:16:05,080 --> 01:16:08,280
Speaker 1: do end up winning it. But it would not surprise me.

1661
01:16:08,400 --> 01:16:10,920
Speaker 1: There is potential here for the thing to fall off

1662
01:16:11,000 --> 01:16:13,040
Speaker 1: the cliff completely and for the Bears to pick up

1663
01:16:13,040 --> 01:16:16,679
Speaker 1: their second consecutive blowout victory, this time at the expense

1664
01:16:16,760 --> 01:16:17,880
Speaker 1: of the Las Vegas Raiders.

1665
01:16:18,000 --> 01:16:21,240
Speaker 2: Okay, I will give you my old Troy game.

1666
01:16:21,400 --> 01:16:25,240
Speaker 1: I'll try. I'm so sorry.

1667
01:16:26,080 --> 01:16:28,719
Speaker 2: I think this has o Troy potential for both sides.

1668
01:16:28,800 --> 01:16:32,639
Speaker 2: Is Micah Parsons returns to Dallas, where like what happened

1669
01:16:32,640 --> 01:16:35,760
Speaker 2: in Luca's return this year, the fans there might give

1670
01:16:35,880 --> 01:16:40,040
Speaker 2: him a standing ovation the Cowboys fans for a guy

1671
01:16:40,080 --> 01:16:43,400
Speaker 2: who left them and was traded, of course.

1672
01:16:43,160 --> 01:16:46,320
Speaker 1: But fire Jerry Schanz like there were fire Nico chants possibly,

1673
01:16:46,439 --> 01:16:46,920
Speaker 1: and though you.

1674
01:16:46,840 --> 01:16:50,439
Speaker 2: Can't fire the owner like Luca did, Micah's team might

1675
01:16:50,520 --> 01:16:54,080
Speaker 2: give up forty five points to this Dallas defense. Luca

1676
01:16:54,160 --> 01:16:57,800
Speaker 2: had forty five against the Dallas Mavericks defense. But what

1677
01:16:57,880 --> 01:17:03,599
Speaker 2: if what if the Pack lose I mentioned earlier, they

1678
01:17:03,600 --> 01:17:07,080
Speaker 2: could be questioning themselves after losing to the Browns. What

1679
01:17:07,200 --> 01:17:10,880
Speaker 2: if somehow they get beat by Jerry Jones's Cowboys and

1680
01:17:10,920 --> 01:17:13,960
Speaker 2: he gets the last laugh since he's old enough where

1681
01:17:14,000 --> 01:17:16,599
Speaker 2: he might not see just how bad this trade ends up.

1682
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:21,519
Speaker 2: Oh but look, unlike Cowboys fans, I hope Jerry lives forever.

1683
01:17:22,000 --> 01:17:24,720
Speaker 2: I think he's an interesting character. I didn't need to

1684
01:17:24,720 --> 01:17:27,800
Speaker 2: see the Netflix doc to know that Jerry is good

1685
01:17:27,840 --> 01:17:30,479
Speaker 2: for the league. Honestly, he is alleged.

1686
01:17:30,000 --> 01:17:31,760
Speaker 1: In many ways, more ways than one. That's a bigger

1687
01:17:31,760 --> 01:17:33,800
Speaker 1: reason why the league is as successful as it is

1688
01:17:33,840 --> 01:17:35,679
Speaker 1: monetarily and everywhere else because of him.

1689
01:17:35,680 --> 01:17:37,840
Speaker 2: And this Sunday night is the closest they're going to

1690
01:17:37,920 --> 01:17:40,360
Speaker 2: get to another Super Bowl for him, because I promise

1691
01:17:40,439 --> 01:17:43,960
Speaker 2: you they aren't going to the actual super Bowl anytime soon.

1692
01:17:44,080 --> 01:17:46,280
Speaker 2: You could have made that promise the last twenty nine

1693
01:17:46,360 --> 01:17:49,720
Speaker 2: years and never been proven wrong. I want Jerry to

1694
01:17:49,760 --> 01:17:52,719
Speaker 2: be proven right, or at least believe he was proven

1695
01:17:52,800 --> 01:17:56,200
Speaker 2: right by the Cowboys winning this game against the Packers.

1696
01:17:56,640 --> 01:18:00,519
Speaker 2: I want to see him stunting afterwards outside this stadium

1697
01:18:00,560 --> 01:18:03,439
Speaker 2: with this Cadillac with the steer horns on the front

1698
01:18:03,439 --> 01:18:07,080
Speaker 2: of it. I want those Jerry Chance like it's Jerry

1699
01:18:07,439 --> 01:18:10,120
Speaker 2: Springer Jerry Cowboys win this game.

1700
01:18:10,640 --> 01:18:12,840
Speaker 1: Jerry Jones is gonna be like Marshawn Lynch when he

1701
01:18:12,920 --> 01:18:14,760
Speaker 1: was at cow and he jumped into the cart and

1702
01:18:14,800 --> 01:18:17,760
Speaker 1: started to start driving it on the on the field. Yes,

1703
01:18:17,840 --> 01:18:20,439
Speaker 1: he's gonna drive out to midfield and hold his postgame

1704
01:18:20,479 --> 01:18:23,400
Speaker 1: press conference that he has after every single game on

1705
01:18:23,479 --> 01:18:26,920
Speaker 1: the Star. You see this broadcast on the giant screen

1706
01:18:27,360 --> 01:18:28,439
Speaker 1: at the top of the stadium.

1707
01:18:28,560 --> 01:18:30,640
Speaker 2: He's gonna be on the Star like t O was

1708
01:18:30,680 --> 01:18:35,400
Speaker 2: that one's rhyme arms red White t hit him. You know,

1709
01:18:35,600 --> 01:18:39,320
Speaker 2: there's something about me getting older, rooting for the older

1710
01:18:39,360 --> 01:18:42,320
Speaker 2: guys to get one over on everyone else. When I'm

1711
01:18:42,360 --> 01:18:45,000
Speaker 2: watching the UFC fight, I'm always going with the older guy.

1712
01:18:45,920 --> 01:18:46,760
Speaker 2: This is how I work.

1713
01:18:46,840 --> 01:18:49,559
Speaker 1: But birds of a feather hanging with your with the

1714
01:18:49,560 --> 01:18:51,760
Speaker 1: the older, uh, the senior, the senior circuit there at the.

1715
01:18:51,760 --> 01:18:52,320
Speaker 3: Hold it is.

1716
01:18:53,560 --> 01:18:54,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's all right.

1717
01:18:54,320 --> 01:18:58,479
Speaker 2: Still shame Look, oh, Troy is also an old guy

1718
01:18:58,880 --> 01:19:01,759
Speaker 2: who hopefully is still with us after breaking his cane

1719
01:19:01,800 --> 01:19:05,040
Speaker 2: watching Blair Walsh missed that field go back in the day,

1720
01:19:05,760 --> 01:19:09,680
Speaker 2: and this epic fail for the Packers could happen with

1721
01:19:09,760 --> 01:19:12,960
Speaker 2: the Cowboys beating them, and that would mean Jerry Jones

1722
01:19:12,960 --> 01:19:16,160
Speaker 2: would be very happy because Micah Parsons and this whole

1723
01:19:16,160 --> 01:19:19,080
Speaker 2: saga that's been going on for a while. I don't know.

1724
01:19:19,240 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 2: This is the biggest game of the season for the

1725
01:19:20,800 --> 01:19:22,439
Speaker 2: Dallas Cowboys. I do know that.

1726
01:19:22,479 --> 01:19:25,080
Speaker 1: Probably doesn't say much for their for their prospects. I

1727
01:19:25,120 --> 01:19:27,479
Speaker 1: will say, just from a national TV standpoint and all

1728
01:19:27,479 --> 01:19:30,040
Speaker 1: the perception and all the talk, but if you're Dallas

1729
01:19:30,040 --> 01:19:32,120
Speaker 1: and you had designs of making the postseason, this is

1730
01:19:32,120 --> 01:19:34,840
Speaker 1: the biggest game of your season, doesn't say much for you.

1731
01:19:34,920 --> 01:19:37,200
Speaker 2: This on Sunday at Football Kevin for a reason, Carrie

1732
01:19:37,280 --> 01:19:40,400
Speaker 2: Underwood is doing the song who once dated Tony Romo,

1733
01:19:40,479 --> 01:19:44,600
Speaker 2: a former Dallas quarterback. I mean, come on, way to

1734
01:19:44,600 --> 01:19:47,760
Speaker 2: connect the dots there, it's my quarterback. She didn't wear

1735
01:19:47,760 --> 01:19:51,640
Speaker 2: the pink jersey like Jessica did. Jessica Simpson back in

1736
01:19:51,680 --> 01:19:54,400
Speaker 2: the day when they were off in Cabo As. He

1737
01:19:54,479 --> 01:19:56,840
Speaker 2: had a week off because they had the bye, just

1738
01:19:56,880 --> 01:19:59,960
Speaker 2: to lose to Was it the Eagles or the Giant?

1739
01:20:00,600 --> 01:20:04,320
Speaker 1: This is probably the correct answer there. Okay, fair enough,

1740
01:20:04,439 --> 01:20:06,400
Speaker 1: I will say so after green Bay they do have

1741
01:20:06,479 --> 01:20:09,559
Speaker 1: the Jets your Panthers, Okay, win. I mean there's some

1742
01:20:09,600 --> 01:20:12,559
Speaker 1: soft landings there potentially now. Granted, as bad as the

1743
01:20:12,560 --> 01:20:14,559
Speaker 1: Cowboys have been this year, there are probably no such

1744
01:20:14,560 --> 01:20:16,519
Speaker 1: thing as a soft landing. But if they could find

1745
01:20:16,560 --> 01:20:18,800
Speaker 1: a way to sneak past Green Bay, who again, if

1746
01:20:18,840 --> 01:20:20,880
Speaker 1: they can lose to Cleveland, they can lose to anybody.

1747
01:20:20,960 --> 01:20:23,519
Speaker 1: The Panthers might or the Cowboys might find themselves back

1748
01:20:23,520 --> 01:20:25,720
Speaker 1: in this back in this NFC playoff race.

1749
01:20:25,840 --> 01:20:28,160
Speaker 2: They could have an eight win season. It would be

1750
01:20:28,160 --> 01:20:31,320
Speaker 2: beautiful eight and nine. That would be a big victory

1751
01:20:31,360 --> 01:20:34,240
Speaker 2: for this Cowboys team, right, Honestly, that might be a

1752
01:20:34,240 --> 01:20:35,040
Speaker 2: big victory for me.

1753
01:20:35,520 --> 01:20:37,439
Speaker 1: It would because you're one of the few people standing

1754
01:20:37,479 --> 01:20:39,120
Speaker 1: on the side of that. The Cowboys were on the

1755
01:20:39,200 --> 01:20:40,320
Speaker 1: right side of the Parsons Street.

1756
01:20:40,479 --> 01:20:43,880
Speaker 2: Mike Sando kinda said, you know, they had to pay

1757
01:20:43,920 --> 01:20:46,160
Speaker 2: him a ton of money. I could see some logic

1758
01:20:46,200 --> 01:20:48,439
Speaker 2: and rationale for moving a guy that you're paying one

1759
01:20:48,520 --> 01:20:50,719
Speaker 2: hundred and eighty eight million or whatever it was Green

1760
01:20:50,720 --> 01:20:51,720
Speaker 2: Bay gave Micah.

1761
01:20:51,760 --> 01:20:53,600
Speaker 1: But then he also came around to saying, but I

1762
01:20:53,600 --> 01:20:54,640
Speaker 1: wouldn't do it, though, damn it.

1763
01:20:54,680 --> 01:20:55,439
Speaker 2: I know what we're gonna do.

1764
01:20:55,520 --> 01:20:57,880
Speaker 1: On the other side, We're gonna continue the NFL six

1765
01:20:57,920 --> 01:21:02,200
Speaker 1: pack FNA on FSR, don't listening to Fox Sports really?

1766
01:21:03,400 --> 01:21:05,640
Speaker 2: Welcome back in f and A on FSR and be

1767
01:21:05,720 --> 01:21:08,920
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1772
01:21:21,120 --> 01:21:23,080
Speaker 1: Final lot. With the show, we'll get into the big

1773
01:21:23,120 --> 01:21:25,400
Speaker 1: matchups in college football coming up this weekend, as well

1774
01:21:25,479 --> 01:21:27,639
Speaker 1: as two on two off. But Mark, right now, let's

1775
01:21:28,040 --> 01:21:30,439
Speaker 1: wrap up the NFL six pack. What's the next game?

1776
01:21:30,479 --> 01:21:31,320
Speaker 3: Beer Goggles Gate?

1777
01:21:31,439 --> 01:21:33,720
Speaker 1: Yes, the beer Goggles game, the ugly matchup that might

1778
01:21:33,720 --> 01:21:36,000
Speaker 1: actually end up being fairly entertaining. Adam, what do you have?

1779
01:21:36,080 --> 01:21:38,400
Speaker 2: All right? Honestly, I'm gonna need to borrow the beer

1780
01:21:38,479 --> 01:21:42,360
Speaker 2: goggles that were on Whatever executive thought putting the Jets

1781
01:21:42,360 --> 01:21:45,240
Speaker 2: and Dolphins game on Monday night football was a good idea.

1782
01:21:45,280 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: I'll save us some time and say this is mine

1783
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:47,240
Speaker 1: as well.

1784
01:21:47,640 --> 01:21:50,360
Speaker 2: I need whatever that person or that team of people

1785
01:21:50,439 --> 01:21:53,760
Speaker 2: were drinking, because that's a tough sell. And I guess

1786
01:21:53,840 --> 01:21:56,720
Speaker 2: their best point would be, Hey, don't worry it's just

1787
01:21:56,760 --> 01:21:59,280
Speaker 2: the first of two games. So if you miss yes,

1788
01:21:59,439 --> 01:22:01,080
Speaker 2: no big d you know we got the Bengals and

1789
01:22:01,080 --> 01:22:06,799
Speaker 2: Broncos afterwards, which on paper made sense. Here's how drunk

1790
01:22:07,240 --> 01:22:09,599
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to be in order to think this

1791
01:22:09,720 --> 01:22:13,640
Speaker 2: Jets Dolphins game is worth watching. I'm talking plaster to

1792
01:22:13,680 --> 01:22:16,320
Speaker 2: the point where you don't know what year it is.

1793
01:22:16,760 --> 01:22:19,559
Speaker 2: You're gonna be drinking in a hot tub time machine,

1794
01:22:19,600 --> 01:22:23,640
Speaker 2: so you're also dehydrated, which adds to the abv's potency,

1795
01:22:24,080 --> 01:22:25,679
Speaker 2: and you're gonna think it's nineteen ninety four.

1796
01:22:25,720 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: All I thought you were gonna say, You just gonna

1797
01:22:27,320 --> 01:22:31,440
Speaker 1: think it's Bob Greasy, you know, taking on Vinny Testaverdi

1798
01:22:31,560 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: or something.

1799
01:22:31,920 --> 01:22:35,320
Speaker 2: Okay, maybe not quite that far in our time travel here.

1800
01:22:36,600 --> 01:22:37,680
Speaker 1: Or Broadway, Joe, why not.

1801
01:22:37,920 --> 01:22:43,599
Speaker 2: I'm thinking of the most notable Jets Dolphins game of

1802
01:22:43,640 --> 01:22:47,400
Speaker 2: my lifetime, and it's the Marino game where of course

1803
01:22:47,439 --> 01:22:50,240
Speaker 2: he does the fake spike, throws the touchdown to mark

1804
01:22:50,439 --> 01:22:55,360
Speaker 2: Ingram Senior. They complete a seventeen point comeback on the Jets.

1805
01:22:55,400 --> 01:22:58,040
Speaker 1: I was thinking of the Monday Night another comeback, which

1806
01:22:58,280 --> 01:23:00,880
Speaker 1: it was a Jay feeler I think, and the Dolphins

1807
01:23:01,120 --> 01:23:04,040
Speaker 1: got out to a huge lead and the Jets came

1808
01:23:04,080 --> 01:23:05,719
Speaker 1: back storming back. I think they were down like twenty

1809
01:23:05,760 --> 01:23:07,280
Speaker 1: one points or something like that in the second half

1810
01:23:07,320 --> 01:23:08,120
Speaker 1: and they came back and won.

1811
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:11,400
Speaker 2: All I know is the Louise quebet oh ain't kreebet.

1812
01:23:12,400 --> 01:23:13,920
Speaker 2: The loser of this game is going to end up

1813
01:23:13,920 --> 01:23:16,439
Speaker 2: one in four. But make no mistake, the team that

1814
01:23:16,520 --> 01:23:19,080
Speaker 2: comes out one in three is also a loser, and

1815
01:23:19,120 --> 01:23:21,840
Speaker 2: so is ESPN for scheduling this matchup on Monday. An

1816
01:23:21,840 --> 01:23:22,679
Speaker 2: football Well.

1817
01:23:22,800 --> 01:23:25,080
Speaker 1: Yes, and I do think that Mike McDaniel could be

1818
01:23:25,320 --> 01:23:27,720
Speaker 1: this could be his last stand if things don't go

1819
01:23:27,800 --> 01:23:30,080
Speaker 1: well in this matchup. Now, they were competitive last week

1820
01:23:30,120 --> 01:23:32,680
Speaker 1: against Buffalo, so I guess you'd give them that, But

1821
01:23:33,240 --> 01:23:35,439
Speaker 1: the Jets, who regardless of who's playing quarterback, and we

1822
01:23:35,439 --> 01:23:37,519
Speaker 1: still don't know quite yet whether or not justin fields

1823
01:23:37,560 --> 01:23:39,880
Speaker 1: were clear protocol. I do think there's a potential of

1824
01:23:39,960 --> 01:23:41,400
Speaker 1: some points to be scored in this game, so I

1825
01:23:41,400 --> 01:23:43,519
Speaker 1: do think it could potentially be a high scoring game,

1826
01:23:43,800 --> 01:23:46,000
Speaker 1: and that's why it might end up being somewhat entertaining.

1827
01:23:46,040 --> 01:23:47,760
Speaker 2: All Right, what's our next category here?

1828
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:51,240
Speaker 1: Mark under the microscope the game player or team Everyone

1829
01:23:51,280 --> 01:23:53,559
Speaker 1: should watch closely, and I'm going to go back to

1830
01:23:53,600 --> 01:23:57,160
Speaker 1: that Green Bay Dallas game and say Jordan Love, because yes,

1831
01:23:57,439 --> 01:23:59,040
Speaker 1: he threw that big interception at the end of that

1832
01:23:59,040 --> 01:24:01,679
Speaker 1: Browns game. Scar did not put up really good numbers

1833
01:24:01,680 --> 01:24:04,320
Speaker 1: and really all season long, all season, it's only been

1834
01:24:04,360 --> 01:24:07,080
Speaker 1: a few weeks. Hasn't really broken out and taken the

1835
01:24:07,080 --> 01:24:09,200
Speaker 1: next step that a lot of people I think thought

1836
01:24:09,240 --> 01:24:12,600
Speaker 1: he might. So, like I said last week with Caleb Williams,

1837
01:24:12,800 --> 01:24:14,600
Speaker 1: if you are going to break out and have a

1838
01:24:14,680 --> 01:24:17,840
Speaker 1: humongous performance, Jordan Love, this is the week to do it.

1839
01:24:18,000 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: When you welcome in the Dallas Cowboys in that sieve

1840
01:24:20,520 --> 01:24:24,000
Speaker 1: of a secondary. I know Darn Bland is back. He's

1841
01:24:24,040 --> 01:24:26,720
Speaker 1: a really good player, but he can't cover everybody. And

1842
01:24:26,760 --> 01:24:28,880
Speaker 1: Trayvon Diggs is as overrated as he gets. He's not

1843
01:24:28,920 --> 01:24:31,920
Speaker 1: a bad player, but he gambles. He gets beat all

1844
01:24:31,960 --> 01:24:34,760
Speaker 1: the time. He got beat deep beat twice last week.

1845
01:24:34,800 --> 01:24:35,559
Speaker 1: It happens all the time.

1846
01:24:35,640 --> 01:24:39,719
Speaker 2: It reminds me of who is it, Samuel Senior, Sante Samuel,

1847
01:24:39,800 --> 01:24:42,280
Speaker 2: he was feast or famine. He getta pick six or

1848
01:24:42,320 --> 01:24:43,599
Speaker 2: he'd give up a touchdown?

1849
01:24:43,760 --> 01:24:46,000
Speaker 1: Right, And I think Samuel is even better than Treyvon Diggs.

1850
01:24:46,000 --> 01:24:47,920
Speaker 1: But yes, swort offs that same milk. So I do

1851
01:24:47,960 --> 01:24:49,559
Speaker 1: think if Jordan Love is going to break out and

1852
01:24:49,560 --> 01:24:52,559
Speaker 1: turn into the player that we think he's going to be,

1853
01:24:52,840 --> 01:24:55,760
Speaker 1: and the Packers are going to ascend to be Adams

1854
01:24:55,760 --> 01:24:57,640
Speaker 1: Packers who are going to win the Super Bowl, I

1855
01:24:57,680 --> 01:25:01,000
Speaker 1: need that they need something in that past game. They're

1856
01:25:01,040 --> 01:25:02,760
Speaker 1: gonna needs to be able to make some plays. So

1857
01:25:03,160 --> 01:25:05,280
Speaker 1: if he can't do it this week against Dallas, I

1858
01:25:05,280 --> 01:25:08,840
Speaker 1: am severely questioning your choice a Super Bowl contenter coming

1859
01:25:08,840 --> 01:25:10,439
Speaker 1: out of the NFC. They're Adham if they can't make

1860
01:25:10,439 --> 01:25:11,599
Speaker 1: the four pass against Dallas.

1861
01:25:11,600 --> 01:25:14,040
Speaker 2: So our teams my under the microscope game. I'm going

1862
01:25:14,080 --> 01:25:16,679
Speaker 2: with the Atlanta Falcons, not just because they somehow lost

1863
01:25:16,680 --> 01:25:19,240
Speaker 2: to my Carolina Panthers thirty to nothing, which is beyond

1864
01:25:19,320 --> 01:25:22,200
Speaker 2: pathetic and should probably get your entire team suspended for

1865
01:25:22,240 --> 01:25:24,200
Speaker 2: a week to give you time to think about what

1866
01:25:24,240 --> 01:25:27,600
Speaker 2: you've done. That's truly a timeout situation. I need to

1867
01:25:27,600 --> 01:25:30,719
Speaker 2: go to India and find myself or something and rethink

1868
01:25:30,760 --> 01:25:33,360
Speaker 2: what I'm doing with my life. Losing thirty nut to

1869
01:25:33,439 --> 01:25:37,240
Speaker 2: nothing to the Panthers should have you considering a different profession.

1870
01:25:37,360 --> 01:25:39,599
Speaker 2: Football might not be the thing for you.

1871
01:25:39,520 --> 01:25:41,360
Speaker 1: You should be relegated, is what you're saying.

1872
01:25:41,479 --> 01:25:43,920
Speaker 2: Oh, yeah, they should all be feeling feeling like they're

1873
01:25:43,960 --> 01:25:47,240
Speaker 2: in a tenuous situation, just like their new kicker is

1874
01:25:47,400 --> 01:25:53,400
Speaker 2: John Parker Romo, who replaced everyone's favorite kicker Young Hoku's.

1875
01:25:52,840 --> 01:25:56,120
Speaker 1: Young Young Wayku. Yes, is that right as Young Way's

1876
01:25:56,120 --> 01:25:56,759
Speaker 1: house pronounced?

1877
01:25:56,840 --> 01:25:57,080
Speaker 3: Yes.

1878
01:25:57,160 --> 01:25:58,679
Speaker 1: We went through this when he was with the Chargers

1879
01:25:58,680 --> 01:26:00,320
Speaker 1: and he was awful with him a few years ago.

1880
01:26:00,360 --> 01:26:03,479
Speaker 2: Fred Rogan messed me up with this pronunciation. This is

1881
01:26:03,520 --> 01:26:04,000
Speaker 2: his fault.

1882
01:26:04,000 --> 01:26:04,720
Speaker 1: Sounds about right.

1883
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:07,639
Speaker 2: He kicked one hundred and eighty one of two hundred

1884
01:26:07,640 --> 01:26:12,360
Speaker 2: and eleven career field goals correctly. That's pretty good. Initially,

1885
01:26:12,400 --> 01:26:15,160
Speaker 2: though this moved to John Parker Romo looked good. He

1886
01:26:15,240 --> 01:26:17,920
Speaker 2: went five for five, but then he missed two kicks

1887
01:26:18,000 --> 01:26:21,080
Speaker 2: last time out against the Panthers and that thirty to

1888
01:26:21,200 --> 01:26:25,360
Speaker 2: nothing loss. So Tony Romo couldn't put a snap down

1889
01:26:25,439 --> 01:26:28,400
Speaker 2: for a kicker as a holder, and his brother, John

1890
01:26:28,560 --> 01:26:31,559
Speaker 2: Parker Romo may not hold onto his job very long.

1891
01:26:32,200 --> 01:26:35,240
Speaker 2: Related Okay, maybe, dot, but this team has had a

1892
01:26:35,280 --> 01:26:38,280
Speaker 2: revolving door of kickers for a while. That's the type

1893
01:26:38,280 --> 01:26:41,120
Speaker 2: of hell that can drive fans crazy. I want to

1894
01:26:41,160 --> 01:26:44,719
Speaker 2: see how this turns out against the Commanders this weekend,

1895
01:26:44,800 --> 01:26:48,040
Speaker 2: who will be without their starting quarterback in Jaden Daniels.

1896
01:26:48,040 --> 01:26:49,920
Speaker 2: All right, well, this game is actually in my final

1897
01:26:50,000 --> 01:26:52,960
Speaker 2: category there, mark redemption roud.

1898
01:26:53,080 --> 01:26:55,320
Speaker 1: Yes, looking to bounce back from last week is the

1899
01:26:55,360 --> 01:26:57,920
Speaker 1: Atlanta Falcons. We talked about the struggles of Michael Pennings,

1900
01:26:57,960 --> 01:27:00,639
Speaker 1: We brought that up with Mike Sando earlier. Aayden Daniels

1901
01:27:00,680 --> 01:27:04,120
Speaker 1: out for the second consecutive game, no Terry McLaurin. So

1902
01:27:04,400 --> 01:27:06,519
Speaker 1: this is a chance for the Falcons to actually turn

1903
01:27:06,560 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: around from last week's embarrassing performance against your Panthers and

1904
01:27:09,960 --> 01:27:11,880
Speaker 1: see if they can make some hay against what still

1905
01:27:12,000 --> 01:27:14,559
Speaker 1: is a really good NFC team. And if Atlanta has

1906
01:27:14,600 --> 01:27:16,920
Speaker 1: any hopes of making the postseason and staying in the

1907
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:19,920
Speaker 1: AFC or excuse me, the NFC South Race, they're gonna

1908
01:27:19,920 --> 01:27:22,200
Speaker 1: have to get a victory against Washington, and I think

1909
01:27:22,200 --> 01:27:24,040
Speaker 1: this is the week to do it without Jayden Daniels,

1910
01:27:24,080 --> 01:27:24,960
Speaker 1: without Terry McLaurin.

1911
01:27:25,120 --> 01:27:29,080
Speaker 2: All right, my redemption round. You know I was wrong

1912
01:27:29,120 --> 01:27:32,880
Speaker 2: about a lot last week, a lot last Sunday, as

1913
01:27:32,880 --> 01:27:35,479
Speaker 2: many of us were, as it was the only day

1914
01:27:35,479 --> 01:27:39,160
Speaker 2: in NFL history to feature multiple pick sixes, multiple punt

1915
01:27:39,160 --> 01:27:43,000
Speaker 2: returns for touchdowns, multiple block field goals return for touchdowns,

1916
01:27:43,560 --> 01:27:46,080
Speaker 2: and was the only day since the nineteen seventy merger

1917
01:27:46,160 --> 01:27:49,120
Speaker 2: to have seven NFL games with a game winning score

1918
01:27:49,240 --> 01:27:52,200
Speaker 2: in the final three minutes of the fourth quarter. But

1919
01:27:52,320 --> 01:27:56,240
Speaker 2: one game that was decided long before the first quarter

1920
01:27:56,360 --> 01:27:59,280
Speaker 2: was over. Oh that game happened in Seattle, in a

1921
01:27:59,360 --> 01:28:01,880
Speaker 2: game I could have been more right about. At the

1922
01:28:01,920 --> 01:28:05,080
Speaker 2: New Orleans Saints lost forty four to thirteen and it

1923
01:28:05,160 --> 01:28:08,920
Speaker 2: wasn't even that close. Is Robert Salez still saying, you know,

1924
01:28:09,080 --> 01:28:12,479
Speaker 2: Spencer Rutler's a bright future here, because if you mean

1925
01:28:12,560 --> 01:28:15,120
Speaker 2: bright as in he was seeing the heavens when they

1926
01:28:15,160 --> 01:28:17,800
Speaker 2: were down by thirty five before the end of the

1927
01:28:17,840 --> 01:28:21,680
Speaker 2: first half, just for rookie head coach Kellen Moore to

1928
01:28:21,840 --> 01:28:24,519
Speaker 2: elect to kick a field goal to shave it to

1929
01:28:24,640 --> 01:28:27,479
Speaker 2: thirty two by the end of the first half, which

1930
01:28:27,520 --> 01:28:31,320
Speaker 2: honestly is disgraceful. If you are any self respecting Saints fan,

1931
01:28:31,400 --> 01:28:34,080
Speaker 2: which is something that I guess doesn't exist, you should

1932
01:28:34,080 --> 01:28:37,360
Speaker 2: want your coach fired if they're playing not to win,

1933
01:28:37,760 --> 01:28:40,520
Speaker 2: but to just make the score look more respectable.

1934
01:28:40,880 --> 01:28:41,759
Speaker 1: What was the point spread?

1935
01:28:42,600 --> 01:28:45,880
Speaker 2: That's a good question. But in the first half point spread,

1936
01:28:45,920 --> 01:28:48,559
Speaker 2: I don't know. Kellen Moore basically said, no way we

1937
01:28:48,560 --> 01:28:51,960
Speaker 2: can actually go forward on fourth down, down five scores

1938
01:28:52,000 --> 01:28:54,439
Speaker 2: and actually act like we're seriously trying to win a

1939
01:28:54,479 --> 01:28:55,479
Speaker 2: professional football game.

1940
01:28:55,520 --> 01:28:57,000
Speaker 1: I need someonement. I'm going into the half there.

1941
01:28:57,080 --> 01:28:59,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, put some makeup on this pig kick

1942
01:28:59,240 --> 01:29:01,240
Speaker 2: a field goals. So instead of thirty eight to three

1943
01:29:01,280 --> 01:29:03,519
Speaker 2: at the half, it's thirty eight to six. That's so

1944
01:29:03,680 --> 01:29:08,360
Speaker 2: much better. Absolute loser mentality, Kevin. So, I'm gonna take

1945
01:29:08,400 --> 01:29:11,000
Speaker 2: a page out of Kellen Moore's book of pathetic moral

1946
01:29:11,080 --> 01:29:14,479
Speaker 2: victories and say the Saints are gonna redeem themselves this

1947
01:29:14,560 --> 01:29:19,639
Speaker 2: week by not being down as bad as they were.

1948
01:29:19,840 --> 01:29:23,000
Speaker 2: They're not gonna beat Buffalo in Buffalo, but their redemption

1949
01:29:23,200 --> 01:29:26,000
Speaker 2: round is just them not getting down by thirty five

1950
01:29:26,120 --> 01:29:29,080
Speaker 2: in the first half to the Buffalo Bills. I'm confident

1951
01:29:29,120 --> 01:29:30,080
Speaker 2: they can accomplish that.

1952
01:29:30,360 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: Oh I'm not.

1953
01:29:31,280 --> 01:29:32,800
Speaker 2: That's progress if they do.

1954
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1959
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1960
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Speaker 1: matchups in college football. Coming up later today. Kevin Figures

1961
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1962
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1967
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Speaker 2: Welcome back in. It's FNA on FSR. I'm Adam Mosland.

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1969
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1970
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1972
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1973
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1975
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1976
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1977
01:30:48,880 --> 01:30:52,639
Speaker 2: get off the air. Still to come. Before we get

1978
01:30:52,680 --> 01:30:55,559
Speaker 2: out of this hour, we of course have to get

1979
01:30:55,760 --> 01:30:58,920
Speaker 2: give you our NFL picks in two on two off.

1980
01:30:59,280 --> 01:31:00,680
Speaker 1: Yeah, but before we got to that ad and we

1981
01:31:00,720 --> 01:31:02,800
Speaker 1: got a big weekend in college football coming up.

1982
01:31:02,920 --> 01:31:06,240
Speaker 2: Yeah, especially coming off of last weekend where you know, Kevin,

1983
01:31:06,240 --> 01:31:11,240
Speaker 2: I think I figured it out why Illinois was not favored, Dana, Yeah.

1984
01:31:11,080 --> 01:31:12,880
Speaker 1: You were sitting on this one, weren't you, like coming

1985
01:31:12,920 --> 01:31:14,439
Speaker 1: next kick me square in.

1986
01:31:14,400 --> 01:31:16,479
Speaker 2: The balls on this shoe too, Like I had any

1987
01:31:16,560 --> 01:31:20,760
Speaker 2: idea nobody did. Obviously, was Indiana favored by five and

1988
01:31:20,840 --> 01:31:22,720
Speaker 2: a half or something like that? Where did they win

1989
01:31:22,760 --> 01:31:23,920
Speaker 2: by sixty three to ten?

1990
01:31:24,000 --> 01:31:27,200
Speaker 1: You know who knew Indiana's head coach, Kurt Signetti who

1991
01:31:27,200 --> 01:31:30,320
Speaker 1: after the game. Going into this week's game against Iowa,

1992
01:31:30,360 --> 01:31:31,840
Speaker 1: he was like, Yeah, we're gonna have a much tougher

1993
01:31:31,880 --> 01:31:33,600
Speaker 1: challenge this week than we had this past week. Let

1994
01:31:33,640 --> 01:31:37,160
Speaker 1: me tell you that. Just no mercy on Iowa and

1995
01:31:37,240 --> 01:31:38,240
Speaker 1: Kirk Farans at all.

1996
01:31:38,360 --> 01:31:41,200
Speaker 2: Hey, I like it. I like the cut of his jib,

1997
01:31:41,320 --> 01:31:42,559
Speaker 2: I like the way he rolls.

1998
01:31:42,680 --> 01:31:45,439
Speaker 1: He is an arrogant ahole and I'm here for it.

1999
01:31:45,439 --> 01:31:47,439
Speaker 1: By the way, last year when he got hired, at

2000
01:31:47,439 --> 01:31:50,360
Speaker 1: Indiana's introductory press conference, people were asking about his credentials

2001
01:31:50,400 --> 01:31:51,840
Speaker 1: and how good he is, and he said google me

2002
01:31:52,439 --> 01:31:54,080
Speaker 1: like he is you.

2003
01:31:54,160 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 2: Kind of and he's like Kevin Garnett, you know who

2004
01:31:56,560 --> 01:31:58,240
Speaker 2: the hell I am? I mean, yeah, who the hell

2005
01:31:58,280 --> 01:31:58,519
Speaker 2: I am?

2006
01:31:58,640 --> 01:32:00,160
Speaker 1: And there's an element of if you're going to the

2007
01:32:00,200 --> 01:32:02,920
Speaker 1: head coach at a place like Indiana, you almost have

2008
01:32:03,000 --> 01:32:04,080
Speaker 1: to have that sort of confidence.

2009
01:32:04,240 --> 01:32:06,400
Speaker 2: UCLA needs a hire they do, Yes.

2010
01:32:06,200 --> 01:32:10,519
Speaker 1: Absolutely, you know what they did. Ucla actually poached his

2011
01:32:10,600 --> 01:32:13,599
Speaker 1: offensive coordinator from last year. That's what they've done. Wonders

2012
01:32:13,640 --> 01:32:14,080
Speaker 1: for them, by the.

2013
01:32:14,080 --> 01:32:17,000
Speaker 2: Way, So okay, maybe that wasn't So this.

2014
01:32:16,960 --> 01:32:20,639
Speaker 1: Is not This is not a Dan Hawkins Peterson situation.

2015
01:32:20,760 --> 01:32:23,320
Speaker 1: In Boise statement, people say like, oh, Hawkins was just there.

2016
01:32:23,479 --> 01:32:25,719
Speaker 1: Peterson was the guy. No one is saying that about

2017
01:32:25,720 --> 01:32:28,720
Speaker 1: Cinceri who came over from Indiana to UCLA, because they

2018
01:32:28,760 --> 01:32:30,400
Speaker 1: are just as bad, if not worse than they were

2019
01:32:30,439 --> 01:32:32,880
Speaker 1: last year offensively in Indiana just keeps on going.

2020
01:32:33,000 --> 01:32:37,519
Speaker 2: Well, I still like the matchup potential of USC versus

2021
01:32:37,520 --> 01:32:40,639
Speaker 2: what's left of Illinois after what Indiana did today.

2022
01:32:40,720 --> 01:32:42,360
Speaker 1: Well, that's the thing, because now Illinois has a I

2023
01:32:42,360 --> 01:32:44,360
Speaker 1: wouldn't call it a revenge factor, but like, do you

2024
01:32:44,400 --> 01:32:45,880
Speaker 1: know who the hell we are? We don't get our

2025
01:32:45,920 --> 01:32:48,760
Speaker 1: asses kicked. Yeh, blam is our head coach. We win

2026
01:32:48,800 --> 01:32:50,280
Speaker 1: the line of scrimmage. This is how we play.

2027
01:32:50,320 --> 01:32:51,599
Speaker 2: Oh they got completely embarrassed.

2028
01:32:51,640 --> 01:32:54,000
Speaker 1: Oh absolutely run off of the field from from off

2029
01:32:54,040 --> 01:32:55,120
Speaker 1: the jump. It was incredible.

2030
01:32:55,120 --> 01:32:57,960
Speaker 2: You would expect a big response from them. But they're

2031
01:32:58,000 --> 01:33:00,800
Speaker 2: taking on a team in some ways that similar to

2032
01:33:00,920 --> 01:33:04,400
Speaker 2: Indiana and USC with how balanced their offensive attack has

2033
01:33:04,400 --> 01:33:05,479
Speaker 2: been so far this season.

2034
01:33:05,520 --> 01:33:08,000
Speaker 1: For once, I mean, this is what Lincoln Riley's offenses

2035
01:33:08,040 --> 01:33:10,320
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma used to look like. They had Joe Mixon

2036
01:33:10,360 --> 01:33:11,880
Speaker 1: and some ij Peter. I mean they had guys who

2037
01:33:11,920 --> 01:33:13,240
Speaker 1: were running for three hundred yards.

2038
01:33:13,280 --> 01:33:16,679
Speaker 2: They led to the college football in yards per Russia attempt.

2039
01:33:16,760 --> 01:33:17,720
Speaker 2: You're in and year out.

2040
01:33:17,800 --> 01:33:20,160
Speaker 1: You wouldn't think that based on the USC tenure with

2041
01:33:20,240 --> 01:33:22,559
Speaker 1: Caleb Williams winning heights bans and throwing the ball left

2042
01:33:22,640 --> 01:33:24,439
Speaker 1: or right. No run game to speak of. And that's

2043
01:33:24,439 --> 01:33:27,640
Speaker 1: mostly because their offensive line have been terrible. They just

2044
01:33:27,640 --> 01:33:29,519
Speaker 1: did not do a good job of recruiting the offensive

2045
01:33:29,520 --> 01:33:31,479
Speaker 1: line that they have improved at that one. I think

2046
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:33,439
Speaker 1: a big reason is they've retained a lot of guys

2047
01:33:33,720 --> 01:33:37,000
Speaker 1: and cultivated guys on their offensive line within their program,

2048
01:33:37,240 --> 01:33:39,920
Speaker 1: and those guys have grown together and all of a sudden,

2049
01:33:39,920 --> 01:33:42,320
Speaker 1: to your point, they're one of the most balanced offenses

2050
01:33:42,360 --> 01:33:43,519
Speaker 1: in the entire country.

2051
01:33:43,760 --> 01:33:48,200
Speaker 2: Now they aren't taking on Missouri State or Georgia, Southern

2052
01:33:48,400 --> 01:33:50,559
Speaker 2: Orkay Perdue, or even Michigan State.

2053
01:33:50,360 --> 01:33:52,599
Speaker 1: Who actually gave him a run. That Michigan State game

2054
01:33:52,640 --> 01:33:55,599
Speaker 1: was closer than the final score at indicate and USC.

2055
01:33:55,800 --> 01:33:57,280
Speaker 1: I'm sorry to cut you off there, but they couldn't

2056
01:33:57,280 --> 01:33:59,160
Speaker 1: get out of their own way with penalties, and that

2057
01:33:59,320 --> 01:34:01,880
Speaker 1: is something that is plague them regardless of who they

2058
01:34:01,920 --> 01:34:04,720
Speaker 1: played this year. US. He continues to shoot themselves in

2059
01:34:04,760 --> 01:34:07,479
Speaker 1: the foot with big penalties. You are not gonna put

2060
01:34:07,479 --> 01:34:10,439
Speaker 1: yourself in CFP contention in the Big Ten playing that

2061
01:34:10,479 --> 01:34:12,840
Speaker 1: way when you start playing better matchups like Oregon and

2062
01:34:12,840 --> 01:34:13,479
Speaker 1: Penn State.

2063
01:34:13,320 --> 01:34:13,680
Speaker 3: And the like.

2064
01:34:13,840 --> 01:34:16,479
Speaker 2: And what we thought was gonna be their first true

2065
01:34:16,560 --> 01:34:20,200
Speaker 2: test this season against Illinois, they haven't been tested yet.

2066
01:34:20,240 --> 01:34:22,760
Speaker 2: Illinois at least has the bounce back factor and being

2067
01:34:22,800 --> 01:34:26,760
Speaker 2: at home in their favor, So USC it's come down

2068
01:34:26,800 --> 01:34:29,360
Speaker 2: to do they have to actually win with style points

2069
01:34:29,400 --> 01:34:33,439
Speaker 2: to impress us against Illinois after what Indiana did against Illinois, like,

2070
01:34:33,680 --> 01:34:35,960
Speaker 2: we're not gonna care if it's a close ballgame.

2071
01:34:36,040 --> 01:34:38,519
Speaker 1: Now, maybe I do think there's tiers within the Big

2072
01:34:38,520 --> 01:34:41,040
Speaker 1: Ten conference at this point in time, Oregon, Ohio State,

2073
01:34:41,040 --> 01:34:42,839
Speaker 1: and Penn State. I think you kind of set themselves

2074
01:34:42,840 --> 01:34:45,160
Speaker 1: apart at the top, and then all of a sudden,

2075
01:34:45,320 --> 01:34:49,080
Speaker 1: believe it or not, then you have USC Indiana. I

2076
01:34:49,080 --> 01:34:51,200
Speaker 1: think I will still put Illinois in that kind of

2077
01:34:51,240 --> 01:34:53,679
Speaker 1: second tier where you're still fighting for still a potential

2078
01:34:53,720 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: playoff spot, but we know you're not the elite of

2079
01:34:56,200 --> 01:34:58,680
Speaker 1: the elite in the conference. As weird as that is

2080
01:34:58,680 --> 01:35:01,840
Speaker 1: to say for a US football program, that's kind of

2081
01:35:01,840 --> 01:35:04,000
Speaker 1: where they are right now. So what they want to

2082
01:35:04,040 --> 01:35:06,200
Speaker 1: do is make sure they're at the top of that

2083
01:35:06,360 --> 01:35:09,519
Speaker 1: second rung of teams in the Big Ten, still competing

2084
01:35:09,600 --> 01:35:11,240
Speaker 1: for a lower playoff.

2085
01:35:10,840 --> 01:35:14,599
Speaker 2: Spot, and if they do go off offensively again this

2086
01:35:14,800 --> 01:35:19,880
Speaker 2: week against better competition, Jade Mayava, with how dynamic he's looked,

2087
01:35:19,960 --> 01:35:22,519
Speaker 2: he's gonna be at the top of the Heisman race.

2088
01:35:22,600 --> 01:35:25,040
Speaker 2: With how many guys have fallen from what we thought

2089
01:35:25,320 --> 01:35:27,960
Speaker 2: we're going to be Heisman contenders this season, it opens

2090
01:35:28,040 --> 01:35:29,800
Speaker 2: up a window for other guys to jump through.

2091
01:35:29,840 --> 01:35:31,479
Speaker 1: I don't know if he'll be at the top. He

2092
01:35:31,600 --> 01:35:33,920
Speaker 1: might be, but that's going to be contingent on what

2093
01:35:34,040 --> 01:35:36,439
Speaker 1: happens in the biggest Big Ten matchup of the day,

2094
01:35:36,800 --> 01:35:39,040
Speaker 1: and that is when Penn State takes on Oregon. Yeah,

2095
01:35:39,040 --> 01:35:41,240
Speaker 1: because a guy that a few people are talking about

2096
01:35:41,320 --> 01:35:44,200
Speaker 1: is that quarterback at Oregon, Dante Moore, who's transferred out

2097
01:35:44,200 --> 01:35:48,479
Speaker 1: of UCLA, who's also putting up stupid, ridiculous numbers without

2098
01:35:48,479 --> 01:35:50,840
Speaker 1: his best receiver, by the way, who tore up his

2099
01:35:50,920 --> 01:35:53,920
Speaker 1: knee in practice in the offseason. He's been kind of

2100
01:35:53,960 --> 01:35:56,280
Speaker 1: just been a distributor that Chris Paul just distributed to

2101
01:35:56,360 --> 01:35:58,960
Speaker 1: a bunch of different guys, and they're lighting people up.

2102
01:35:59,000 --> 01:36:00,880
Speaker 1: And before you say it, Adam, I say, you're not

2103
01:36:00,920 --> 01:36:04,720
Speaker 1: wearing your formerly green turned brown Oregon hat that used

2104
01:36:04,720 --> 01:36:05,559
Speaker 1: to wear some years.

2105
01:36:05,400 --> 01:36:09,559
Speaker 2: Ago it was yellow too, retired, righty retired that one

2106
01:36:10,160 --> 01:36:11,800
Speaker 2: bored into the ground, he really did.

2107
01:36:12,600 --> 01:36:15,040
Speaker 1: So Dante Moore's been out of his mind now. Granted

2108
01:36:15,400 --> 01:36:18,320
Speaker 1: they haven't played anybody, No, they played Power five opponents,

2109
01:36:18,320 --> 01:36:21,880
Speaker 1: but Oklahoma State really, I mean, I love the old

2110
01:36:21,880 --> 01:36:24,280
Speaker 1: Civil War whatever they call it now with Oregon State,

2111
01:36:24,400 --> 01:36:26,640
Speaker 1: but kind of really teetering as to whether or not

2112
01:36:26,640 --> 01:36:28,760
Speaker 1: they're even a Power Conference at this point in time.

2113
01:36:28,840 --> 01:36:31,840
Speaker 2: Yeah, they're part of the PAC twelve Zombie Conference. What's

2114
01:36:31,960 --> 01:36:33,200
Speaker 2: left of it? They're leftover.

2115
01:36:33,320 --> 01:36:35,320
Speaker 1: Oh, they're gonna be real resurrected next year, Adam. When

2116
01:36:35,360 --> 01:36:37,800
Speaker 1: they bring in schools like you know, Texas State, they're

2117
01:36:37,800 --> 01:36:39,599
Speaker 1: gonna be resurrected San Diego State.

2118
01:36:39,800 --> 01:36:42,839
Speaker 2: The rapture was all these teams from the PAC twelve

2119
01:36:42,960 --> 01:36:46,200
Speaker 2: going to the Big ten and those who were left over,

2120
01:36:46,680 --> 01:36:50,320
Speaker 2: the left behind the bars with Kirk Cameron, that would

2121
01:36:50,400 --> 01:36:52,760
Speaker 2: be what Oregon State, Washington.

2122
01:36:52,320 --> 01:36:54,719
Speaker 1: State, Oregon State, Washington State. They're gonna bring San Diego

2123
01:36:54,800 --> 01:36:57,480
Speaker 1: State with them, and a couple of other dregs. No disrespect,

2124
01:36:57,560 --> 01:37:00,360
Speaker 1: but I mean it really really just a mount and West.

2125
01:37:00,400 --> 01:37:02,160
Speaker 1: We asked Petros about this a couple of weeks ago.

2126
01:37:02,439 --> 01:37:04,280
Speaker 1: If everybody just, you know, put their heads together when

2127
01:37:04,280 --> 01:37:06,280
Speaker 1: we're smart about this, the Mountain West and the PAC

2128
01:37:06,320 --> 01:37:08,800
Speaker 1: twelve should just merge under the PAC twelve umbrella to stick.

2129
01:37:08,880 --> 01:37:12,000
Speaker 2: That makes the whole sense religious theme here. They're both

2130
01:37:12,040 --> 01:37:15,840
Speaker 2: in purgatory. Until that happens exactly, they will be combining

2131
01:37:15,880 --> 01:37:18,400
Speaker 2: at some point like Devastator with the Transformers.

2132
01:37:18,479 --> 01:37:20,800
Speaker 1: Yes, so Oregon has not played anybody, but that would

2133
01:37:20,800 --> 01:37:23,400
Speaker 1: say they've looked extremely impressive in the games they've played in.

2134
01:37:23,439 --> 01:37:26,519
Speaker 1: Now you can also say that against their opponent. Yeah,

2135
01:37:26,560 --> 01:37:29,759
Speaker 1: Penn State, who's also looked very impressive, but have literally

2136
01:37:29,760 --> 01:37:32,519
Speaker 1: played nobody this year. There's not even a full Power

2137
01:37:32,560 --> 01:37:34,559
Speaker 1: five opponent in their schedule so far this year.

2138
01:37:34,600 --> 01:37:38,040
Speaker 2: And it turns out nobody has more issues when they

2139
01:37:38,080 --> 01:37:41,200
Speaker 2: do play somebody than Penn State when it comes to

2140
01:37:41,280 --> 01:37:42,040
Speaker 2: higher expectation.

2141
01:37:42,120 --> 01:37:44,400
Speaker 1: Do you know what James Franklin's record against top five

2142
01:37:44,439 --> 01:37:45,880
Speaker 1: teams is and it's Penn State tenure?

2143
01:37:46,040 --> 01:37:50,599
Speaker 2: Okay, against top five? I got top ten, Top ten

2144
01:37:50,720 --> 01:37:54,160
Speaker 2: is great, it sucks too more and twenty against top

2145
01:37:54,240 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 2: ten teams in the regular season. Now that also includes

2146
01:37:59,240 --> 01:38:01,920
Speaker 2: and I didn't think either of these wins were that impressive.

2147
01:38:02,080 --> 01:38:06,360
Speaker 2: I know technically they were in the tournament last year

2148
01:38:06,439 --> 01:38:10,719
Speaker 2: with the new twelve team playoff, but that includes SMU

2149
01:38:10,760 --> 01:38:13,799
Speaker 2: and Boise State. They had the easier path, you could say,

2150
01:38:14,000 --> 01:38:16,960
Speaker 2: to then eventually lose to Notre Dame. I believe it

2151
01:38:17,120 --> 01:38:20,120
Speaker 2: was yep, give me the top five that they beat

2152
01:38:20,160 --> 01:38:21,400
Speaker 2: any teams that were top five?

2153
01:38:21,479 --> 01:38:21,639
Speaker 3: One?

2154
01:38:21,800 --> 01:38:24,280
Speaker 1: Is it? One in fifteen, one in thirteen, thirteen, one,

2155
01:38:24,280 --> 01:38:26,760
Speaker 1: and thirteen against top five teams in his tenure and

2156
01:38:26,800 --> 01:38:29,200
Speaker 1: that one was. I don't even know, to be honest

2157
01:38:29,240 --> 01:38:30,880
Speaker 1: with you for disclosure.

2158
01:38:30,439 --> 01:38:32,680
Speaker 2: I think it was. Honestly, I think it might have

2159
01:38:32,720 --> 01:38:35,719
Speaker 2: been Ohio State back in twenty sixteen, Like it goes

2160
01:38:35,800 --> 01:38:36,719
Speaker 2: back that fall.

2161
01:38:36,800 --> 01:38:38,240
Speaker 1: You know what, You're right, because that was the year

2162
01:38:38,280 --> 01:38:40,639
Speaker 1: that Ohio State actually won the National championship and there

2163
01:38:40,640 --> 01:38:42,120
Speaker 1: was debate as to whether or not they should have

2164
01:38:42,120 --> 01:38:43,800
Speaker 1: made it, and people tried to use that Penn State

2165
01:38:43,840 --> 01:38:46,479
Speaker 1: loss on a fluky play. If I remember, there was

2166
01:38:46,479 --> 01:38:48,280
Speaker 1: a FLUKEI special teams play at the end of that

2167
01:38:48,320 --> 01:38:49,160
Speaker 1: game or something.

2168
01:38:49,080 --> 01:38:50,920
Speaker 2: Had to be it's a fluky win for Penn State

2169
01:38:50,960 --> 01:38:51,840
Speaker 2: given their track record.

2170
01:38:51,840 --> 01:38:53,680
Speaker 1: I mean, yeah, that ended up and I think that

2171
01:38:53,720 --> 01:38:55,559
Speaker 1: was the year that Ezekiel Elliott and Ohio State ended

2172
01:38:55,600 --> 01:38:57,479
Speaker 1: up winning the national championship if I remember correctly.

2173
01:38:57,600 --> 01:39:01,280
Speaker 2: When you have a history like this that goes back

2174
01:39:01,920 --> 01:39:05,080
Speaker 2: damn near decade with James Franklin, what do you pin

2175
01:39:05,200 --> 01:39:08,520
Speaker 2: this on? Because obviously it's different teams, it's different players,

2176
01:39:08,560 --> 01:39:11,559
Speaker 2: but they consistently underperform in the biggest games. It's easy

2177
01:39:11,560 --> 01:39:14,080
Speaker 2: to say it's just on James Franklin. But is there

2178
01:39:14,080 --> 01:39:16,680
Speaker 2: any more specificity we can get into of why.

2179
01:39:17,120 --> 01:39:19,080
Speaker 1: Well, maybe I'm sure, and everything is a case by

2180
01:39:19,120 --> 01:39:21,080
Speaker 1: case basis. I will say there have been a handful

2181
01:39:21,120 --> 01:39:23,840
Speaker 1: of games throughout his tenure where his play calling, his

2182
01:39:23,920 --> 01:39:26,680
Speaker 1: game management has come into question, and he's kind of

2183
01:39:26,720 --> 01:39:29,360
Speaker 1: been labeled as one of these guys who's a phenomenal recruiter,

2184
01:39:29,840 --> 01:39:31,720
Speaker 1: but not to use a cliche, but kind of when

2185
01:39:31,720 --> 01:39:33,479
Speaker 1: the rubber meets the road, when you need the right

2186
01:39:33,520 --> 01:39:35,400
Speaker 1: play call, where you need the right strategy at the

2187
01:39:35,479 --> 01:39:37,479
Speaker 1: end of a game, he kind of the game kind

2188
01:39:37,479 --> 01:39:39,240
Speaker 1: of moves too fast forward and he doesn't end up

2189
01:39:39,280 --> 01:39:44,040
Speaker 1: making the best decisions in crunch time situations against quality opponents.

2190
01:39:44,080 --> 01:39:46,160
Speaker 1: So that is the bugaboo that's been plaguing him over

2191
01:39:46,160 --> 01:39:46,599
Speaker 1: his tenure.

2192
01:39:46,720 --> 01:39:50,160
Speaker 2: Dusty Baker eventually won a World Series, so anything's possible

2193
01:39:50,200 --> 01:39:53,240
Speaker 2: even with these coaches. Andy Reid was no as for

2194
01:39:53,280 --> 01:39:55,639
Speaker 2: the game speeding up on him and his team's coming

2195
01:39:55,720 --> 01:39:57,400
Speaker 2: up a little bit short. You give it enough time,

2196
01:39:57,479 --> 01:39:58,679
Speaker 2: James Franklin will deliver.

2197
01:39:58,760 --> 01:39:58,960
Speaker 3: Yeah.

2198
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:00,960
Speaker 1: I will say this about James Franklin. What helps him

2199
01:40:00,960 --> 01:40:03,280
Speaker 1: is the fact that the playoff has expanded, because I mean,

2200
01:40:03,400 --> 01:40:05,840
Speaker 1: Penn State is a blue blood program. They're one of

2201
01:40:05,840 --> 01:40:08,200
Speaker 1: the best in the Big Ten. They're probably a shoeing

2202
01:40:08,240 --> 01:40:09,800
Speaker 1: to win at least ten games a year, and in

2203
01:40:09,920 --> 01:40:12,200
Speaker 1: the Big Ten Conference, that's probably gonna make you a

2204
01:40:12,240 --> 01:40:15,200
Speaker 1: shoeing to make the postseason. So unless and until Penn

2205
01:40:15,240 --> 01:40:17,080
Speaker 1: State gets to a point where they're like the Cincinnati

2206
01:40:17,080 --> 01:40:19,400
Speaker 1: Bengals under Marvin Lewis and just making the playoffs, saying

2207
01:40:19,400 --> 01:40:21,360
Speaker 1: good enough for thirteen years in a row, I remember that,

2208
01:40:21,479 --> 01:40:23,760
Speaker 1: or whatever it is, he has a pretty long run

2209
01:40:23,800 --> 01:40:26,479
Speaker 1: away because he's gonna pretty much make the postseason. One

2210
01:40:26,479 --> 01:40:28,280
Speaker 1: thing that Penn State has in their favor they got

2211
01:40:28,280 --> 01:40:29,880
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot of guys coming back. Both

2212
01:40:29,880 --> 01:40:31,960
Speaker 1: of their running backs were stars last year. Came back.

2213
01:40:32,280 --> 01:40:34,080
Speaker 1: Drew Aller, who I've never been a big fan of,

2214
01:40:34,479 --> 01:40:35,800
Speaker 1: and if you want to say that he come back,

2215
01:40:35,880 --> 01:40:38,040
Speaker 1: comes back, came back and gave them some stability at

2216
01:40:38,080 --> 01:40:40,559
Speaker 1: the quarterback position. As a veteran shore, I think even

2217
01:40:40,600 --> 01:40:43,240
Speaker 1: in their losses, you look at the final scores, they're lopsided.

2218
01:40:43,479 --> 01:40:45,240
Speaker 1: Some of those games were closer than I think they

2219
01:40:45,280 --> 01:40:46,280
Speaker 1: probably should have been.

2220
01:40:46,360 --> 01:40:50,080
Speaker 2: And he's never putting up three hundred yards the barometer

2221
01:40:50,320 --> 01:40:53,799
Speaker 2: for a good starting quarterback. Give me a few games

2222
01:40:53,800 --> 01:40:56,519
Speaker 2: here and there where you're the driving force for why

2223
01:40:56,560 --> 01:40:59,160
Speaker 2: we won now here is what at least Penn State.

2224
01:40:59,200 --> 01:41:02,760
Speaker 1: Hanks will say, he doesn't need to against lesser competition.

2225
01:41:03,040 --> 01:41:06,080
Speaker 1: We're holding something back. They're basically used these first three

2226
01:41:06,080 --> 01:41:08,840
Speaker 1: weeks of the season as the preseason before they get

2227
01:41:08,880 --> 01:41:11,320
Speaker 1: ready for Oregon. So they're kind of taking the foot

2228
01:41:11,360 --> 01:41:14,479
Speaker 1: off the gas. They're being very basic. Maybe there's something

2229
01:41:14,520 --> 01:41:16,519
Speaker 1: to that to a certain degree, but that's also sort

2230
01:41:16,520 --> 01:41:18,680
Speaker 1: of like they're flipping the light switch situation. Wouldn't you

2231
01:41:18,720 --> 01:41:21,479
Speaker 1: want to be rolling on all cylinders coming into one

2232
01:41:21,479 --> 01:41:23,840
Speaker 1: of the best matchups you're gonna have all season long. Yeah,

2233
01:41:23,840 --> 01:41:27,040
Speaker 1: and you're really not sharpening those callouses to play against

2234
01:41:27,080 --> 01:41:29,240
Speaker 1: great competition if you're just coasting through the first start

2235
01:41:29,240 --> 01:41:31,920
Speaker 1: of the season. Because Oregon has put their foot on

2236
01:41:32,040 --> 01:41:34,680
Speaker 1: the gas full speed since Game one, regardless of who

2237
01:41:34,680 --> 01:41:35,160
Speaker 1: they're playing.

2238
01:41:35,160 --> 01:41:36,120
Speaker 2: Oh, they are holding back.

2239
01:41:36,160 --> 01:41:38,880
Speaker 1: They're not going to throttle down. Now you're asking Penn

2240
01:41:38,880 --> 01:41:41,439
Speaker 1: State after a bye week, so after playing nobody then

2241
01:41:41,479 --> 01:41:44,240
Speaker 1: having a bye now having to throttle up. I think

2242
01:41:44,280 --> 01:41:45,559
Speaker 1: that can be really difficult to do.

2243
01:41:45,720 --> 01:41:47,360
Speaker 2: So I think I know where you're going with this.

2244
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:50,640
Speaker 2: But considering Penn State is at home, considering they are

2245
01:41:50,720 --> 01:41:52,200
Speaker 2: higher ranked than Oregon.

2246
01:41:52,280 --> 01:41:54,640
Speaker 1: It's a wide out night game NBC. I don't know

2247
01:41:54,640 --> 01:41:56,200
Speaker 1: this for a fact, but I hope our guy know

2248
01:41:56,240 --> 01:41:57,320
Speaker 1: what Eagles on the call for that one.

2249
01:41:57,400 --> 01:42:01,479
Speaker 2: Oregon beat them last year in that's a PAC ten

2250
01:42:01,640 --> 01:42:05,600
Speaker 2: title game or excuse me ten title game. Who's this

2251
01:42:05,680 --> 01:42:06,600
Speaker 2: game more important for?

2252
01:42:08,240 --> 01:42:10,280
Speaker 1: I honestly think it's more important for Penn State, even

2253
01:42:10,280 --> 01:42:12,559
Speaker 1: tho they're higher ranked. I think for the James Franklin

2254
01:42:12,640 --> 01:42:15,360
Speaker 1: mental psyche for for that fan base. Just knowing the

2255
01:42:15,400 --> 01:42:18,200
Speaker 1: stats we threw out earlier about their rankings against or

2256
01:42:18,240 --> 01:42:20,680
Speaker 1: their record against Top ten teams, top five teams, up

2257
01:42:20,720 --> 01:42:23,200
Speaker 1: with all that stuff, I think they need it more Oregon,

2258
01:42:23,240 --> 01:42:25,000
Speaker 1: and I think we're at a point in college football

2259
01:42:25,040 --> 01:42:27,360
Speaker 1: now too. Either of these teams can take a loss

2260
01:42:27,400 --> 01:42:29,439
Speaker 1: and still end up being completely fine on the playoff.

2261
01:42:29,439 --> 01:42:32,280
Speaker 2: Of course, especially being in the Big Ten, they're gonna

2262
01:42:32,320 --> 01:42:33,800
Speaker 2: give you more of the benefit of the doubt that

2263
01:42:33,800 --> 01:42:35,920
Speaker 2: you're taking on great competition.

2264
01:42:35,520 --> 01:42:36,880
Speaker 1: Right, so that helps you. If you're a Big ten

2265
01:42:36,920 --> 01:42:38,720
Speaker 1: team or an SEC team, you can still make the

2266
01:42:38,720 --> 01:42:41,160
Speaker 1: playoff fairly easily with one or even two losses in

2267
01:42:41,160 --> 01:42:44,320
Speaker 1: the regular season. So from a fewer one los win

2268
01:42:44,479 --> 01:42:47,120
Speaker 1: lost standpoint. I don't know how big of a deal

2269
01:42:47,120 --> 01:42:49,360
Speaker 1: it really is for either team, but I think from

2270
01:42:49,360 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: a mental psyche standpoint, at home, wide out night game,

2271
01:42:53,640 --> 01:42:57,479
Speaker 1: National TV, nbcpcock it's not a must win for Penn State,

2272
01:42:57,520 --> 01:42:59,240
Speaker 1: but it's as close to a must win as you

2273
01:42:59,240 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: can have in the first month of a regular season

2274
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:01,879
Speaker 1: in college football.

2275
01:43:01,880 --> 01:43:04,479
Speaker 2: You know, it's funny though, even if Penn State wins

2276
01:43:04,640 --> 01:43:06,680
Speaker 2: and people are gonna be like, oh, James Franklin got

2277
01:43:06,680 --> 01:43:09,160
Speaker 2: the monkey off his back, No he didn't. Oregon is

2278
01:43:09,240 --> 01:43:12,160
Speaker 2: ranked sixth. They're not a top five team, damnit.

2279
01:43:12,320 --> 01:43:13,519
Speaker 1: I guess that's technically true.

2280
01:43:13,560 --> 01:43:16,080
Speaker 2: They easily could be, but yeah, I agree with you.

2281
01:43:16,280 --> 01:43:19,400
Speaker 2: It's definitely more pressure on Penn State being at home

2282
01:43:19,439 --> 01:43:21,400
Speaker 2: and being the team that needs to prove it against

2283
01:43:21,400 --> 01:43:25,080
Speaker 2: the league competition. Uh, somebody that I guess needs to

2284
01:43:25,160 --> 01:43:26,759
Speaker 2: prove it against their arrival.

2285
01:43:27,240 --> 01:43:27,439
Speaker 1: You know.

2286
01:43:27,600 --> 01:43:30,960
Speaker 2: Georgia is one in six against Bama with Kirby Smart.

2287
01:43:31,000 --> 01:43:33,559
Speaker 1: That's Kirby versus yeah, Saban mostly, but.

2288
01:43:33,880 --> 01:43:36,439
Speaker 2: They haven't got him in Athens. This is a true

2289
01:43:36,479 --> 01:43:40,519
Speaker 2: home game for them. Bama's ranked seventeenth. Georgia is fifth

2290
01:43:40,600 --> 01:43:44,040
Speaker 2: ranked in the AP Poll. This is interesting because of

2291
01:43:44,080 --> 01:43:47,360
Speaker 2: the Georgia comeback against Tennessee and also Alabama kind of

2292
01:43:47,360 --> 01:43:51,479
Speaker 2: turning things around. They haven't been fully tested, but they

2293
01:43:51,520 --> 01:43:53,120
Speaker 2: look better than they did the opening week.

2294
01:43:53,160 --> 01:43:54,600
Speaker 1: You could say it couldn't look much worse than they

2295
01:43:54,600 --> 01:43:56,840
Speaker 1: did opening week. People calling them out saying players are

2296
01:43:56,880 --> 01:43:58,840
Speaker 1: just giving up on plays and players at Florida State

2297
01:43:58,880 --> 01:44:00,920
Speaker 1: players are running free in the second and guys just

2298
01:44:01,000 --> 01:44:02,519
Speaker 1: shrugging their shoulders like I keep go ahead.

2299
01:44:02,600 --> 01:44:05,200
Speaker 2: I thought the borg might get fired within the first

2300
01:44:05,200 --> 01:44:06,719
Speaker 2: three weeks, like Deshan Foster.

2301
01:44:06,840 --> 01:44:08,519
Speaker 1: Yeah, a lot of people thought that might be possible.

2302
01:44:08,680 --> 01:44:10,240
Speaker 1: I do think this is a big game for Kaitlyn

2303
01:44:10,280 --> 01:44:12,599
Speaker 1: de Bor though, to be able to look Georgia. Even

2304
01:44:12,640 --> 01:44:14,880
Speaker 1: as good as they are, these are still not you know,

2305
01:44:15,240 --> 01:44:18,639
Speaker 1: quote unquote your daddy's Georgia Bulldogs. They're very talented, obviously,

2306
01:44:19,000 --> 01:44:21,120
Speaker 1: but I still think they're vulnerable, and I think Tennessee

2307
01:44:21,200 --> 01:44:23,280
Speaker 1: kind of showed that a couple of weeks ago. So way,

2308
01:44:23,320 --> 01:44:26,320
Speaker 1: Ty Simpson's playing for Alabama and many people question how

2309
01:44:26,320 --> 01:44:28,400
Speaker 1: good he actually was being the starting quarterback and whether

2310
01:44:28,479 --> 01:44:30,040
Speaker 1: or not, well, he's there, he's been here for five

2311
01:44:30,080 --> 01:44:31,880
Speaker 1: seven years, however long it's been. Throw him in there

2312
01:44:31,920 --> 01:44:34,200
Speaker 1: see what he can do. He's actually making some plays

2313
01:44:34,200 --> 01:44:36,080
Speaker 1: for the Tide right now. They're gonna get their best

2314
01:44:36,160 --> 01:44:38,120
Speaker 1: running back, Jim Miller I believe is his name. He's

2315
01:44:38,160 --> 01:44:40,360
Speaker 1: been out since the summer, hasn't played all season long.

2316
01:44:40,400 --> 01:44:42,720
Speaker 1: He's an experienced guy. He's the best tailback they've had,

2317
01:44:42,960 --> 01:44:44,599
Speaker 1: and they've not really been able to run the ball

2318
01:44:44,640 --> 01:44:46,759
Speaker 1: at all. If they're gonna be able to beat Georgia,

2319
01:44:46,920 --> 01:44:48,240
Speaker 1: they're going to have to be able to run the

2320
01:44:48,240 --> 01:44:49,040
Speaker 1: football a little bit.

2321
01:44:49,120 --> 01:44:51,559
Speaker 2: I gotta be honest. I think Georgia's like minus three

2322
01:44:51,640 --> 01:44:54,800
Speaker 2: in this game. I feel pretty confident in taking them.

2323
01:44:55,120 --> 01:44:56,880
Speaker 2: I'm not saying this is part of my two on

2324
01:44:56,960 --> 01:45:00,000
Speaker 2: two off faces the bonus pick. Okay, outside the line

2325
01:45:00,240 --> 01:45:03,160
Speaker 2: here a little bit a side note. I just feel

2326
01:45:03,160 --> 01:45:06,960
Speaker 2: like Georgia finally getting them at home against Obama team

2327
01:45:07,000 --> 01:45:09,000
Speaker 2: that's not nearly as good as some of the ones

2328
01:45:09,000 --> 01:45:11,200
Speaker 2: that beat them in the past. Absolutely, they may put

2329
01:45:11,240 --> 01:45:13,400
Speaker 2: a route on them if they get up early.

2330
01:45:13,479 --> 01:45:15,400
Speaker 1: I would not be shocked if Gunners Stockton had not

2331
01:45:15,479 --> 01:45:17,400
Speaker 1: been playing the way that he's playing recently, I probably

2332
01:45:17,439 --> 01:45:19,680
Speaker 1: would have disagreed with you. But considering how this offense is,

2333
01:45:19,720 --> 01:45:22,160
Speaker 1: vote has opened up and you mentioned that Tennessee game,

2334
01:45:22,200 --> 01:45:24,080
Speaker 1: getting down big and find a way to fight back

2335
01:45:24,080 --> 01:45:25,920
Speaker 1: and get back into that thing and come back and win.

2336
01:45:26,400 --> 01:45:27,920
Speaker 1: I think I agree with you. I don't know if

2337
01:45:27,920 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: they run them off the field. I kind of like

2338
01:45:29,439 --> 01:45:31,000
Speaker 1: that three point spread. I can see this being a

2339
01:45:31,000 --> 01:45:34,000
Speaker 1: one possession game for sure. I don't think Alabama, you know,

2340
01:45:34,080 --> 01:45:36,400
Speaker 1: lies down and rolls over. But to your point, I

2341
01:45:36,400 --> 01:45:38,400
Speaker 1: also don't think they necessarily win this one either. I

2342
01:45:38,400 --> 01:45:41,200
Speaker 1: think think george is better. Again, Georgia is vulnerable, but

2343
01:45:41,320 --> 01:45:43,600
Speaker 1: even within that, I think Georgia is better than Alabama.

2344
01:45:43,640 --> 01:45:46,719
Speaker 2: What about the number one team in the country, Ohio State,

2345
01:45:46,760 --> 01:45:48,439
Speaker 2: the defending champs going.

2346
01:45:53,640 --> 01:45:55,680
Speaker 1: So this is kind of like a sexy pick for

2347
01:45:55,720 --> 01:45:59,560
Speaker 1: pundits out there. So the Ohio State barrow watch out maybe.

2348
01:45:59,720 --> 01:46:01,880
Speaker 1: I mean, Ohio State is just so much more so

2349
01:46:02,280 --> 01:46:04,840
Speaker 1: more talented than Washington. And I know that doesn't always

2350
01:46:04,840 --> 01:46:07,639
Speaker 1: equate itself to you know, playing well and beating a team.

2351
01:46:08,000 --> 01:46:10,880
Speaker 1: It is a hostile environment. Anybody that's played at Husky

2352
01:46:10,960 --> 01:46:12,559
Speaker 1: Stadium up there will tell you that it's one of

2353
01:46:12,560 --> 01:46:15,400
Speaker 1: a very hostile environment. Washington's played great this year too.

2354
01:46:15,560 --> 01:46:18,400
Speaker 2: Yeah, they have won twenty two straight at home. That's

2355
01:46:18,439 --> 01:46:21,439
Speaker 2: only behind Georgia for the longest home winning streaking college football.

2356
01:46:21,520 --> 01:46:24,280
Speaker 1: Yeah, that is true. And look, I do think Washington

2357
01:46:24,360 --> 01:46:27,000
Speaker 1: can keep this thing close. Julian's saying his first true

2358
01:46:27,080 --> 01:46:30,479
Speaker 1: you know, road game in conference in a tough environment, saying,

2359
01:46:31,280 --> 01:46:33,240
Speaker 1: but don't I do. I don't think that Ohio State

2360
01:46:33,280 --> 01:46:35,280
Speaker 1: has a huge issue here. If anything, at him, I

2361
01:46:35,320 --> 01:46:38,360
Speaker 1: would say that Washington probably hangs in around halftime. I

2362
01:46:38,360 --> 01:46:40,760
Speaker 1: can see this being seventeen to ten something like that.

2363
01:46:40,840 --> 01:46:43,400
Speaker 2: What about this Washington quarterback at Williams, He's been good,

2364
01:46:43,439 --> 01:46:46,519
Speaker 2: He's a good dual threat guy. That dual threat part

2365
01:46:46,520 --> 01:46:49,240
Speaker 2: of this does throw a different wrinkle in when somebody

2366
01:46:49,240 --> 01:46:52,200
Speaker 2: gets beat that is this highly ranked like Ohio State.

2367
01:46:52,600 --> 01:46:55,439
Speaker 2: I do wonder about a dual threat quarterback just going

2368
01:46:55,479 --> 01:46:57,559
Speaker 2: off and having a day and thinking he's Vince Young

2369
01:46:57,600 --> 01:46:58,200
Speaker 2: and the Rose Bowl.

2370
01:46:58,400 --> 01:47:00,640
Speaker 1: That is true. I would have more issues with this

2371
01:47:00,720 --> 01:47:02,920
Speaker 1: of Ohio State hadn't been tested. Now, granted, I mean

2372
01:47:03,000 --> 01:47:05,519
Speaker 1: Texas played better last week, but it was sam Houston State,

2373
01:47:05,840 --> 01:47:07,240
Speaker 1: but they weren't tested early on.

2374
01:47:07,240 --> 01:47:09,200
Speaker 2: In the cream Manning, you want to talk your jump

2375
01:47:09,240 --> 01:47:11,920
Speaker 2: against Sam Houston State. Fine, Now, the rest of the

2376
01:47:12,040 --> 01:47:13,400
Speaker 2: SEC schedules coming.

2377
01:47:13,479 --> 01:47:15,479
Speaker 1: Apparently he said his mom gave him a talking to

2378
01:47:15,560 --> 01:47:17,160
Speaker 1: after that and she told him never do that again,

2379
01:47:18,080 --> 01:47:20,439
Speaker 1: and to your appoints in the family name to your point,

2380
01:47:20,479 --> 01:47:23,000
Speaker 1: if you are going to do it, save that for Oklahoma,

2381
01:47:23,040 --> 01:47:25,240
Speaker 1: don't do it to Sam Mus. Apparently the defensive lineman

2382
01:47:25,320 --> 01:47:27,160
Speaker 1: or the defensive back he was talking to was Jawn

2383
01:47:27,160 --> 01:47:28,719
Speaker 1: Adam earlier in the game or something.

2384
01:47:29,040 --> 01:47:31,400
Speaker 2: But even still, if it's in the heat of battle,

2385
01:47:31,560 --> 01:47:34,200
Speaker 2: is that natural and it wasn't performative like he was

2386
01:47:34,280 --> 01:47:36,760
Speaker 2: planning on doing something just to show he's got some

2387
01:47:36,920 --> 01:47:39,080
Speaker 2: edge out there. I'm okay with it, which that's just

2388
01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:39,439
Speaker 2: who he is.

2389
01:47:39,520 --> 01:47:41,640
Speaker 1: Does this seem to be his natural personality based on

2390
01:47:41,640 --> 01:47:44,000
Speaker 1: the people that talk about him and all the Mayfield right,

2391
01:47:44,400 --> 01:47:47,120
Speaker 1: so they do at least have that experience against a

2392
01:47:47,200 --> 01:47:49,360
Speaker 1: quality opponent. I do think Texas is still a quality

2393
01:47:49,360 --> 01:47:51,360
Speaker 1: opponent to open the season. So they haven't been playing

2394
01:47:51,400 --> 01:47:53,880
Speaker 1: paddy Cake up until this game either, so they've been tested.

2395
01:47:53,960 --> 01:47:57,640
Speaker 2: Matt Patricia's defense has looked very amazing. They are an

2396
01:47:57,800 --> 01:48:01,439
Speaker 2: NFL type of defense with the way they scheme out there,

2397
01:48:01,479 --> 01:48:02,160
Speaker 2: it's impressive.

2398
01:48:02,280 --> 01:48:04,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, So I think at the end of the day,

2399
01:48:04,120 --> 01:48:07,320
Speaker 1: Ohio State's defense or Ohio States just their talent overall

2400
01:48:07,400 --> 01:48:09,840
Speaker 1: ends up overwhelming Washington and they probably end up winning

2401
01:48:09,840 --> 01:48:12,400
Speaker 1: this by ten fourteen points. But I do think Washington

2402
01:48:12,439 --> 01:48:14,639
Speaker 1: hangs in there. But I'm not I'm not gonna call

2403
01:48:14,680 --> 01:48:17,000
Speaker 1: this the upset special of the week and the Husky's

2404
01:48:17,000 --> 01:48:19,200
Speaker 1: taking down Ohio State. I don't see that happen at the.

2405
01:48:19,160 --> 01:48:22,599
Speaker 2: End of the day, all right. Number four, LSU going

2406
01:48:22,680 --> 01:48:26,360
Speaker 2: into Old miss with a linebacker who's dating that head

2407
01:48:26,400 --> 01:48:28,040
Speaker 2: weeks from Old Missus daughter.

2408
01:48:28,120 --> 01:48:30,040
Speaker 1: Yeah, weeks dating Lane Kiffin's daughter.

2409
01:48:30,120 --> 01:48:32,880
Speaker 2: It's such a Lane Kiffin move he should probably respect it.

2410
01:48:34,360 --> 01:48:36,800
Speaker 1: Like people are saying that Lane put his daughter up

2411
01:48:36,800 --> 01:48:39,000
Speaker 1: to this, so then Lane can retweet or whatever it

2412
01:48:39,080 --> 01:48:40,759
Speaker 1: was with the photo and say like, yeah, we're running

2413
01:48:40,800 --> 01:48:42,920
Speaker 1: up the score or whatever he said. You know, like

2414
01:48:43,280 --> 01:48:44,920
Speaker 1: it would not put I would not put it past

2415
01:48:45,000 --> 01:48:48,000
Speaker 1: Lane Kiffin's plant this have his daughter do that, so

2416
01:48:48,479 --> 01:48:51,160
Speaker 1: it can be a distraction for LSU leading up to

2417
01:48:51,160 --> 01:48:53,559
Speaker 1: the game. Lane Kiffin thrives in this sort of stuff.

2418
01:48:53,600 --> 01:48:55,439
Speaker 1: He's all for. It doesn't bother him at all. That's

2419
01:48:55,479 --> 01:48:57,840
Speaker 1: tryan Kelly would rather not have to deal with any

2420
01:48:57,840 --> 01:48:58,360
Speaker 1: of this crap.

2421
01:48:58,479 --> 01:49:00,879
Speaker 2: Old Miss is favored by a point and a half.

2422
01:49:01,200 --> 01:49:04,320
Speaker 2: LSU has struggled offensively, but they're still the number four

2423
01:49:04,439 --> 01:49:07,360
Speaker 2: ranked team. Their defense is elite, and you kind of

2424
01:49:07,400 --> 01:49:10,880
Speaker 2: expect their offense to get better as the season goes along. Here.

2425
01:49:11,400 --> 01:49:13,920
Speaker 2: I know it's a tough environment. They beat them though

2426
01:49:14,000 --> 01:49:17,080
Speaker 2: last year. I do like LSU in this ball game,

2427
01:49:17,200 --> 01:49:17,559
Speaker 2: I don't.

2428
01:49:18,040 --> 01:49:20,040
Speaker 1: I don't think LSU's offense has turned the corner of

2429
01:49:20,040 --> 01:49:22,400
Speaker 1: the way people thought. Garrettnsmeyer, I think has been a

2430
01:49:22,400 --> 01:49:26,320
Speaker 1: massive disappointment based on his expectations coming into this season.

2431
01:49:26,640 --> 01:49:29,040
Speaker 2: And ole Miss with a backup quarterback.

2432
01:49:28,600 --> 01:49:30,240
Speaker 1: In there, a guy who's been in the program for

2433
01:49:30,280 --> 01:49:32,160
Speaker 1: a few years, and they had Austin Simmons who was

2434
01:49:32,200 --> 01:49:34,439
Speaker 1: a big time recruit, gets injured, and then all of

2435
01:49:34,479 --> 01:49:36,160
Speaker 1: a sudden, this kid comes in and he's lighting up

2436
01:49:36,200 --> 01:49:39,280
Speaker 1: the scoreboard left and right. Dual threat guy. The offense

2437
01:49:39,320 --> 01:49:40,880
Speaker 1: is click and the defense for ole Miss is playing

2438
01:49:40,920 --> 01:49:42,800
Speaker 1: better than I thought they would. And LSU, I just

2439
01:49:42,800 --> 01:49:44,760
Speaker 1: don't know what to expect on a weekend week out

2440
01:49:44,760 --> 01:49:47,240
Speaker 1: basis other than the fact they can't run the damn

2441
01:49:47,240 --> 01:49:49,639
Speaker 1: ball and usually when LSU was able to win, they're

2442
01:49:49,680 --> 01:49:51,920
Speaker 1: able to run the football they cannot do that this year.

2443
01:49:52,600 --> 01:49:54,439
Speaker 1: I don't know if that offense can keep up, even

2444
01:49:54,479 --> 01:49:56,800
Speaker 1: with as good as LSU's defense is. If you'll say, oh,

2445
01:49:56,840 --> 01:49:59,080
Speaker 1: look what they did to at Florida. Florida can't score

2446
01:49:59,080 --> 01:50:02,080
Speaker 1: against anybody. Fault has been terrible. DJ Lagway has been

2447
01:50:02,080 --> 01:50:04,240
Speaker 1: one of the most disappointing players in the entire country

2448
01:50:04,240 --> 01:50:06,640
Speaker 1: this year. They couldn't score it. And Miami's defense is

2449
01:50:06,680 --> 01:50:09,000
Speaker 1: good too, but to only put up what seven whatever

2450
01:50:09,000 --> 01:50:12,320
Speaker 1: many points they put up against Miami last week embarrassing.

2451
01:50:12,640 --> 01:50:17,640
Speaker 2: And LSU's big victory over Clemson ain't that big obviously.

2452
01:50:17,680 --> 01:50:19,759
Speaker 2: We talked about it last week with a WU Sweeney

2453
01:50:19,880 --> 01:50:21,680
Speaker 2: like he was on the hot seat then and then

2454
01:50:21,680 --> 01:50:22,680
Speaker 2: he lost to Syracuse.

2455
01:50:22,800 --> 01:50:23,639
Speaker 1: Yeah, can't happen.

2456
01:50:24,200 --> 01:50:27,400
Speaker 2: They're really in trouble, So LSU, I'm kind of surprised

2457
01:50:27,400 --> 01:50:30,080
Speaker 2: they're still ranked this high as am I maybe that

2458
01:50:30,280 --> 01:50:33,200
Speaker 2: speaks to the preseason rankings and how meaningless they are.

2459
01:50:33,280 --> 01:50:34,960
Speaker 2: And outside of the fact that they give you an

2460
01:50:35,000 --> 01:50:37,760
Speaker 2: advantage if you stay undefeated, they will keep you up there,

2461
01:50:37,800 --> 01:50:40,200
Speaker 2: there's brand bias too, which is why I understand, like,

2462
01:50:40,200 --> 01:50:41,680
Speaker 2: you know, the head coach at ELI drink what's at

2463
01:50:41,680 --> 01:50:44,799
Speaker 2: SEC media days was a proponent of having automatic qualifiers

2464
01:50:44,840 --> 01:50:47,320
Speaker 2: as and taking as much subjectivity out of the rankings

2465
01:50:47,360 --> 01:50:50,080
Speaker 2: as possible from the committee because it's just built it.

2466
01:50:50,080 --> 01:50:52,439
Speaker 1: It's a built in bias. It does exist if you're

2467
01:50:52,560 --> 01:50:55,479
Speaker 1: LSU or Alabama, regardless of the eye test, if you

2468
01:50:55,520 --> 01:50:57,960
Speaker 1: have the same record as Missouri, nine times out of ten,

2469
01:50:57,960 --> 01:51:00,439
Speaker 1: they're gonna take LSU or Alabama because of the name value.

2470
01:51:00,520 --> 01:51:02,720
Speaker 1: But anyway, I digress. I don't think LSU is good

2471
01:51:02,800 --> 01:51:05,200
Speaker 1: enough offensively, even though old Missus defense is not as

2472
01:51:05,200 --> 01:51:08,080
Speaker 1: far from dominant. I think Old Missus offense is good

2473
01:51:08,200 --> 01:51:11,760
Speaker 1: enough to put up enough points against LSU's defense as

2474
01:51:11,760 --> 01:51:14,439
Speaker 1: opposed to LSU being able to score enough points against

2475
01:51:14,439 --> 01:51:16,280
Speaker 1: Ole Miss's defense. So that's the way I look at it.

2476
01:51:16,320 --> 01:51:19,439
Speaker 2: I think the logic is fair there. And again LSU,

2477
01:51:19,640 --> 01:51:22,520
Speaker 2: they haven't showed much now. Ole Miss went over Arkansas

2478
01:51:22,720 --> 01:51:25,479
Speaker 2: was close. They'd beat Kentucky Tulane.

2479
01:51:25,120 --> 01:51:27,120
Speaker 1: Arkansas one of the better offenses in the country and

2480
01:51:27,120 --> 01:51:28,680
Speaker 1: one of the best quarterbacks. No one's heard of in

2481
01:51:28,720 --> 01:51:30,200
Speaker 1: Taylor Green, by the way, So it will n up

2482
01:51:30,200 --> 01:51:31,160
Speaker 1: a lot of teams this year.

2483
01:51:31,280 --> 01:51:34,760
Speaker 2: Well, Vegas is with you. They are giving a point

2484
01:51:34,800 --> 01:51:39,200
Speaker 2: and a half against LSU at home Auburn at number

2485
01:51:39,280 --> 01:51:44,559
Speaker 2: nine Texas A and M. Auburn lost. Oklahoma got screwed

2486
01:51:44,640 --> 01:51:47,200
Speaker 2: on a trick play, screwed the refs and the officials

2487
01:51:47,240 --> 01:51:50,160
Speaker 2: later on admitted, yes, we got that one wrong in

2488
01:51:50,240 --> 01:51:54,280
Speaker 2: Oklahoma lost, John Mattire. So I don't know who's got

2489
01:51:54,280 --> 01:51:56,160
Speaker 2: it worse. Yes, I do, it's probably Oklahoma.

2490
01:51:56,200 --> 01:51:58,519
Speaker 1: Well, I'll say Oklahoma's off this week, and then they

2491
01:51:58,520 --> 01:52:00,439
Speaker 1: play a cupcake. I think it's Kent State or something

2492
01:52:00,479 --> 01:52:02,679
Speaker 1: after that. So the big thing is they play Texas.

2493
01:52:02,680 --> 01:52:04,600
Speaker 1: I believe the week after that, and I believe the

2494
01:52:04,600 --> 01:52:07,840
Speaker 1: prognosis with three to five weeks if I remember correctly.

2495
01:52:07,479 --> 01:52:11,040
Speaker 2: And then after surgery, after he comes out of surgery,

2496
01:52:11,040 --> 01:52:12,559
Speaker 2: how he looks now rightfield, So.

2497
01:52:12,479 --> 01:52:15,120
Speaker 1: It's not all dire. And again talking about the way

2498
01:52:15,160 --> 01:52:17,439
Speaker 1: these things play out Oklahoma, I think for a lot

2499
01:52:17,439 --> 01:52:20,320
Speaker 1: of people who has already exceeded expectations to a certain degree,

2500
01:52:20,439 --> 01:52:22,320
Speaker 1: there is a couple of pockets of people who said, hey,

2501
01:52:22,360 --> 01:52:24,360
Speaker 1: watch out for Oklahoma in the SEC this year. They

2502
01:52:24,360 --> 01:52:27,160
Speaker 1: could be dangerous, but most people didn't really take them seriously.

2503
01:52:27,360 --> 01:52:28,880
Speaker 1: Britt Venables was on the hot seat for a lot

2504
01:52:28,880 --> 01:52:31,280
Speaker 1: of people coming into the year. However, they found a

2505
01:52:31,320 --> 01:52:32,920
Speaker 1: way to do it. Whether you say they got help

2506
01:52:32,960 --> 01:52:35,240
Speaker 1: from the officials or a bad call or whatever, they

2507
01:52:35,240 --> 01:52:38,559
Speaker 1: get a victory. Over all, burn they sit undefeated. They

2508
01:52:38,560 --> 01:52:40,599
Speaker 1: find themselves in a position where if they'll get stay

2509
01:52:40,680 --> 01:52:43,559
Speaker 1: undefeated going into Texas in a couple of weekends from

2510
01:52:43,560 --> 01:52:46,800
Speaker 1: now for the Red River Shootout, I mean, the sky

2511
01:52:46,880 --> 01:52:48,360
Speaker 1: is potentially the limit for them. I don't know if

2512
01:52:48,400 --> 01:52:50,360
Speaker 1: they end up winning the SEC, but I'll say this,

2513
01:52:50,400 --> 01:52:52,639
Speaker 1: the SEC to a certain degree, as good as Georgia

2514
01:52:52,640 --> 01:52:55,000
Speaker 1: looks right now, I won't say it's as wide open

2515
01:52:55,000 --> 01:52:57,200
Speaker 1: as like the Big twelve is, but I do think

2516
01:52:57,200 --> 01:52:58,800
Speaker 1: there's a spot to be had toward the top of

2517
01:52:58,840 --> 01:53:01,160
Speaker 1: the SEC this year. There's not really a dominant team

2518
01:53:01,240 --> 01:53:01,599
Speaker 1: right now.

2519
01:53:01,760 --> 01:53:04,000
Speaker 2: I just worry about how long it's gonna take him

2520
01:53:04,000 --> 01:53:05,280
Speaker 2: to recover from that injury.

2521
01:53:05,320 --> 01:53:05,719
Speaker 1: That's fair.

2522
01:53:05,800 --> 01:53:08,439
Speaker 2: He's out of the Heisman race. I'm sorry, but I

2523
01:53:08,479 --> 01:53:10,400
Speaker 2: think he's missing more than two weeks. And if you're

2524
01:53:10,439 --> 01:53:12,960
Speaker 2: missing two to three weeks, you're out of the Heisman race.

2525
01:53:13,000 --> 01:53:15,439
Speaker 2: You have to be. He misses that game against Texas

2526
01:53:15,520 --> 01:53:20,040
Speaker 2: October eleventh, that's obviously troublesome. After that, they got South Carolina,

2527
01:53:20,479 --> 01:53:25,280
Speaker 2: then Ole Miss then Tennessee, then Alabama, then Missouri, and

2528
01:53:25,280 --> 01:53:28,920
Speaker 2: they finished things off against LSU. It's gonna be tough

2529
01:53:28,960 --> 01:53:32,320
Speaker 2: for them, I think, to finish with just two losses,

2530
01:53:32,360 --> 01:53:34,880
Speaker 2: which is probably what they're gonna need to stay in

2531
01:53:34,920 --> 01:53:36,120
Speaker 2: the twelve team playoff.

2532
01:53:36,160 --> 01:53:38,080
Speaker 1: Yeah, because as good as they've played, I mean, most

2533
01:53:38,120 --> 01:53:40,320
Speaker 1: of it has come on his arm and his legs.

2534
01:53:40,439 --> 01:53:43,080
Speaker 1: They're not necessarily the most talented team overall, even though

2535
01:53:43,120 --> 01:53:45,120
Speaker 1: I give that coaching staff credit and they've coached those

2536
01:53:45,160 --> 01:53:47,680
Speaker 1: guys up and the defense is played very solidly. That

2537
01:53:47,720 --> 01:53:50,000
Speaker 1: team goes as John Mattier goo. So if he's out

2538
01:53:50,160 --> 01:53:51,800
Speaker 1: for longer than two or three weeks, then I would

2539
01:53:51,840 --> 01:53:54,479
Speaker 1: agree with you. I think whatever magical season people assume

2540
01:53:54,520 --> 01:53:56,160
Speaker 1: they might have could go out the window.

2541
01:53:56,280 --> 01:53:58,080
Speaker 2: You got any other games you want to get under

2542
01:53:58,120 --> 01:53:59,640
Speaker 2: here with the microscope.

2543
01:54:00,000 --> 01:54:02,560
Speaker 1: Interesting one for me in the Big twelve is Arizona

2544
01:54:02,640 --> 01:54:05,000
Speaker 1: going on the road to take on Iowa State, a

2545
01:54:05,040 --> 01:54:08,080
Speaker 1: team that obviously I love coming into the year, but

2546
01:54:08,160 --> 01:54:10,040
Speaker 1: watch out for Arizona. There were a team that appeal

2547
01:54:10,040 --> 01:54:11,760
Speaker 1: A lot of people didn't have a lot of expectations

2548
01:54:11,800 --> 01:54:13,560
Speaker 1: for coming on this year either, but Britt Brennan, I

2549
01:54:13,560 --> 01:54:15,120
Speaker 1: think has had a really good start to the season

2550
01:54:15,160 --> 01:54:17,479
Speaker 1: so far. I think that's one to watch out for,

2551
01:54:17,680 --> 01:54:19,800
Speaker 1: and by the Big Twelve. Speaking of being and wide open,

2552
01:54:19,840 --> 01:54:21,800
Speaker 1: another one I did not see happening last week was

2553
01:54:21,840 --> 01:54:24,920
Speaker 1: Big Noon at Utah and having Texas Tech literally go

2554
01:54:25,040 --> 01:54:27,640
Speaker 1: in and run Utah off of the field. These are

2555
01:54:27,680 --> 01:54:30,240
Speaker 1: two things I never I thought I'd see is that

2556
01:54:30,280 --> 01:54:32,600
Speaker 1: a Kyle Whittingham team and a Brett Beilama team get

2557
01:54:32,640 --> 01:54:33,600
Speaker 1: their doors blown off.

2558
01:54:33,640 --> 01:54:34,480
Speaker 2: They got pushed around.

2559
01:54:34,560 --> 01:54:37,120
Speaker 1: It was unfreaking believable to witness what Texas Tech and

2560
01:54:37,120 --> 01:54:39,760
Speaker 1: that Texas Tech defense. They've never played defense, go all

2561
01:54:39,760 --> 01:54:41,200
Speaker 1: the way back to the Mike Leach days. It was

2562
01:54:41,240 --> 01:54:43,360
Speaker 1: always the air, raid and spread. And we're winning forty

2563
01:54:43,360 --> 01:54:45,800
Speaker 1: five to thirty eight not now. I know they have

2564
01:54:45,840 --> 01:54:47,840
Speaker 1: a lot of money. They spent the most money of

2565
01:54:47,880 --> 01:54:50,960
Speaker 1: anybody in the NIL in the transfer portal this past year,

2566
01:54:51,280 --> 01:54:54,560
Speaker 1: and so far McGuire's team is playing well, so that

2567
01:54:54,640 --> 01:54:56,640
Speaker 1: Big twelve is as wide open as anyone. I think.

2568
01:54:56,680 --> 01:54:58,480
Speaker 1: The issue with Iowa State is they've been winning so

2569
01:54:58,520 --> 01:55:00,000
Speaker 1: many of these games by the skin of their team.

2570
01:55:00,440 --> 01:55:02,840
Speaker 1: You just wonder how many times they were going to

2571
01:55:02,880 --> 01:55:04,440
Speaker 1: be able to do that, and if they get themselves

2572
01:55:04,480 --> 01:55:06,160
Speaker 1: into a play as good as they are defensively, if

2573
01:55:06,160 --> 01:55:08,240
Speaker 1: they play a team like the Texas Tech, are they

2574
01:55:08,280 --> 01:55:09,840
Speaker 1: going to be able to keep up offensively?

2575
01:55:10,000 --> 01:55:12,200
Speaker 2: You think this game ends up deciding the Big Twelve.

2576
01:55:13,480 --> 01:55:16,680
Speaker 1: I don't know. I mean, well, this specific game this weekend,

2577
01:55:16,720 --> 01:55:18,240
Speaker 1: I don't think it ends up deciding the Big Twelve.

2578
01:55:18,280 --> 01:55:19,760
Speaker 1: I will say I do think it could end up

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01:55:19,800 --> 01:55:23,040
Speaker 1: deciding Iowa State's fate to a certain degree when.

2580
01:55:22,880 --> 01:55:24,200
Speaker 2: They face the Driver's Seed.

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01:55:24,240 --> 01:55:26,120
Speaker 1: At least the driver'sy is going to be a Texas

2582
01:55:26,120 --> 01:55:28,120
Speaker 1: Tech to me, to be honest with you, to have

2583
01:55:28,200 --> 01:55:30,360
Speaker 1: that dominant of a victory against the Utah team that

2584
01:55:30,400 --> 01:55:31,960
Speaker 1: a lot of people through the first couple of weeks

2585
01:55:32,200 --> 01:55:34,040
Speaker 1: thought was the favorites come out of the Big Twelve

2586
01:55:34,080 --> 01:55:36,400
Speaker 1: and to blow their doors off that way. I think

2587
01:55:36,400 --> 01:55:38,280
Speaker 1: in the Driver's Sea right now obviously has to be

2588
01:55:38,560 --> 01:55:40,800
Speaker 1: has to be Texas Tech. Oh before we check out

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01:55:40,840 --> 01:55:43,200
Speaker 1: here too, just corrections and retractions on the Penn State

2590
01:55:43,240 --> 01:55:46,280
Speaker 1: Ohio State situation. Yes, twenty sixteen was the year that

2591
01:55:46,320 --> 01:55:49,360
Speaker 1: Penn State defeated a top six Ohio State team. However,

2592
01:55:49,400 --> 01:55:51,880
Speaker 1: Ohio State did not win the national championship that year.

2593
01:55:52,040 --> 01:55:55,280
Speaker 1: The Ezekiel Elliott national title year was back in twenty fourteen.

2594
01:55:55,720 --> 01:55:58,120
Speaker 1: That year. In twenty sixteen, Ohio State did not make

2595
01:55:58,120 --> 01:56:00,000
Speaker 1: the playoff and lost in the Fiesta Bowl.

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01:56:00,280 --> 01:56:02,360
Speaker 2: I don't know if that was a college football whip around,

2597
01:56:02,560 --> 01:56:04,200
Speaker 2: but we did.

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01:56:04,280 --> 01:56:04,840
Speaker 1: We'll steal it.

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01:56:06,000 --> 01:56:09,000
Speaker 2: Whoopa, Sorry, Patris Trapaday, because eat your heart out. This

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Speaker 2: is FNA on FSR and.

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01:56:12,120 --> 01:56:14,840
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Speaker 2: He's Kevin Figures. I'm Adam Mosland. This is FNA on

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01:56:51,560 --> 01:56:54,360
Speaker 2: FSR and Mark, let's get to our last segment.

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01:56:55,160 --> 01:56:57,720
Speaker 1: Two on two are.

2616
01:56:59,360 --> 01:57:04,040
Speaker 2: All right? Last week I went one in three, Kevin

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01:57:04,080 --> 01:57:08,240
Speaker 2: went two and two. Kevin is seven and five. I'm

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01:57:08,320 --> 01:57:13,280
Speaker 2: now five and seven overall total ownership. It feels like that.

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01:57:14,520 --> 01:57:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sticking into a walk card spot seven

2620
01:57:16,520 --> 01:57:17,280
Speaker 1: and five. I'll take.

2621
01:57:18,920 --> 01:57:23,840
Speaker 2: Gambling's hard. Spreads are hard. Handicapping is really tough. I

2622
01:57:23,880 --> 01:57:27,040
Speaker 2: need a good week, though, So two on two off

2623
01:57:27,120 --> 01:57:31,680
Speaker 2: means we pick two games on favorites and two games

2624
01:57:31,760 --> 01:57:34,160
Speaker 2: on underdogs. You want to give me a favorite that

2625
01:57:34,240 --> 01:57:34,800
Speaker 2: you got one in.

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01:57:34,880 --> 01:57:37,320
Speaker 1: Yes, I'm going with the Broncos being favored by seven

2627
01:57:37,320 --> 01:57:39,680
Speaker 1: and a half over Cincinnati. I mentioned earlier in the show,

2628
01:57:39,720 --> 01:57:41,200
Speaker 1: I think this could be a trap game for the

2629
01:57:41,200 --> 01:57:44,080
Speaker 1: Broncos with the Eagles on the horizon. And while I

2630
01:57:44,120 --> 01:57:45,840
Speaker 1: do think the Bengals will be competitive and keep this

2631
01:57:45,880 --> 01:57:48,280
Speaker 1: game closer than Bronco fans would like, I do think

2632
01:57:48,400 --> 01:57:51,440
Speaker 1: Denver will channel their desperation and end up winning this

2633
01:57:51,480 --> 01:57:53,880
Speaker 1: thing and covering the spread by seven and a half

2634
01:57:53,880 --> 01:57:54,600
Speaker 1: to eight points.

2635
01:57:54,760 --> 01:57:57,160
Speaker 2: All Right, You know me, I use my cats to

2636
01:57:57,200 --> 01:57:59,480
Speaker 2: help me with the favorites. I put two treats in

2637
01:57:59,520 --> 01:58:02,040
Speaker 2: front of them that represent teams they eat one of

2638
01:58:02,080 --> 01:58:05,560
Speaker 2: the treats, and Shadow did that with the Chargers minus

2639
01:58:05,640 --> 01:58:09,520
Speaker 2: six on the road in New York against Jackson Dart,

2640
01:58:09,880 --> 01:58:13,480
Speaker 2: a rookie quarterback, and the Giants rookie quarterbacks went zero

2641
01:58:13,480 --> 01:58:16,960
Speaker 2: to four against the Chargers last season, and the Chargers

2642
01:58:16,960 --> 01:58:20,520
Speaker 2: also went four and one on East Coast early starts

2643
01:58:20,600 --> 01:58:23,480
Speaker 2: last season. Their defense is really good. I expect them

2644
01:58:23,520 --> 01:58:27,240
Speaker 2: to confuse Jackson Darts some. There's one of my ons.

2645
01:58:27,280 --> 01:58:28,200
Speaker 2: You want to give me one more?

2646
01:58:28,320 --> 01:58:30,880
Speaker 1: How the hell are the Patriots favored by five and

2647
01:58:30,880 --> 01:58:33,280
Speaker 1: a half over the Panthers. I don't understand it. This

2648
01:58:33,320 --> 01:58:37,440
Speaker 1: is an off for me. Look, the Panthers granted probably

2649
01:58:37,440 --> 01:58:39,200
Speaker 1: a little bit of an anomaly last week, getting that

2650
01:58:39,200 --> 01:58:41,600
Speaker 1: thirty to nothing victory over Atlanta and the Patriots. I

2651
01:58:41,600 --> 01:58:43,640
Speaker 1: think what people are saying is, oh, they move the

2652
01:58:43,640 --> 01:58:45,240
Speaker 1: ball up and down the field in the Steelers, but

2653
01:58:45,280 --> 01:58:47,680
Speaker 1: they just turned the ball over five If it turned

2654
01:58:47,680 --> 01:58:49,800
Speaker 1: the ball over five times, there's something wrong. That means

2655
01:58:49,840 --> 01:58:52,320
Speaker 1: you're not a good football team. So those is not

2656
01:58:52,360 --> 01:58:54,920
Speaker 1: a moral victory for them. How they could be favored

2657
01:58:54,960 --> 01:58:57,720
Speaker 1: over the Carolina Panthers is beyond me. They should not

2658
01:58:57,760 --> 01:58:59,600
Speaker 1: be favored in this game. Carolina should be favored in

2659
01:58:59,640 --> 01:59:01,200
Speaker 1: this gaming. Carolina's going to win this.

2660
01:59:01,160 --> 01:59:03,600
Speaker 2: Game, oh straight up? And what are they get in

2661
01:59:03,600 --> 01:59:04,160
Speaker 2: five and a half?

2662
01:59:04,200 --> 01:59:06,240
Speaker 1: Five and a half? All right, that is insane to me.

2663
01:59:06,400 --> 01:59:08,360
Speaker 2: I'll go with one of my offs, then one of

2664
01:59:08,360 --> 01:59:10,880
Speaker 2: my dogs. I mentioned there's no way the Jets and

2665
01:59:10,920 --> 01:59:13,640
Speaker 2: Dolphins should be on Monday night football. Here's a way

2666
01:59:13,680 --> 01:59:16,240
Speaker 2: to make the game a little bit more digestible. Bet

2667
01:59:16,320 --> 01:59:18,840
Speaker 2: on it. I got the Jets plus three on the

2668
01:59:18,920 --> 01:59:22,800
Speaker 2: road in Miami. Jets almost came back on the Bucks.

2669
01:59:22,840 --> 01:59:25,040
Speaker 2: I don't know who's gonna be under center. Whatever, they

2670
01:59:25,080 --> 01:59:27,880
Speaker 2: got running backs, and the Dolphins defense is really bad

2671
01:59:27,960 --> 01:59:30,680
Speaker 2: and Tua is good for a bad pick in a

2672
01:59:30,720 --> 01:59:34,240
Speaker 2: primetime game. Give me whoever is playing quarterback for the

2673
01:59:34,320 --> 01:59:37,600
Speaker 2: Jets to cover plus three on the road in Miami

2674
01:59:37,640 --> 01:59:38,240
Speaker 2: on Monday night.

2675
01:59:38,360 --> 01:59:40,240
Speaker 1: Okay, I will go with my other on and that

2676
01:59:40,320 --> 01:59:42,880
Speaker 1: is the Lion's favorite at home versus the Cleveland Browns.

2677
01:59:42,880 --> 01:59:44,600
Speaker 1: I know that Brown's defense is really good, but I

2678
01:59:44,600 --> 01:59:47,280
Speaker 1: do think the Lions offense has turned a corner these

2679
01:59:47,320 --> 01:59:49,560
Speaker 1: last couple of weeks. I think the Lions offense is

2680
01:59:49,600 --> 01:59:52,280
Speaker 1: gonna be able to score enough points on offense, while

2681
01:59:52,280 --> 01:59:54,200
Speaker 1: the Detroit defense will be able to hold down that

2682
01:59:54,360 --> 01:59:57,120
Speaker 1: completely inept Browns offense. So I can see Detroit coming

2683
01:59:57,160 --> 01:59:58,360
Speaker 1: away with a double digit.

2684
01:59:58,120 --> 02:00:01,280
Speaker 2: Victory here Ano They're on for me. The Eagles minus

2685
02:00:01,280 --> 02:00:04,480
Speaker 2: three and a half on the road in Tampa. I

2686
02:00:04,480 --> 02:00:07,640
Speaker 2: don't love this pick, but I gotta let my cats pick.

2687
02:00:07,680 --> 02:00:11,080
Speaker 2: And that's the treat that Tuca eight. Philly's coming off

2688
02:00:11,080 --> 02:00:14,360
Speaker 2: a big emotional victory over the Rams. Obviously, the Bucks

2689
02:00:14,400 --> 02:00:17,480
Speaker 2: do have some real injuries going on outside of just

2690
02:00:17,520 --> 02:00:20,320
Speaker 2: Mike Evans two, and while they're three and zero, their

2691
02:00:20,400 --> 02:00:24,400
Speaker 2: point differential combined is plus six in those three victories.

2692
02:00:24,920 --> 02:00:26,680
Speaker 2: So I got the Eagles cover in the three and

2693
02:00:26,720 --> 02:00:27,080
Speaker 2: a half.

2694
02:00:27,160 --> 02:00:28,760
Speaker 1: I know earlier in the show, I said that the

2695
02:00:28,840 --> 02:00:30,680
Speaker 1: Raiders I thought they were be able to come back

2696
02:00:30,720 --> 02:00:33,400
Speaker 1: and get a victory over the Chicago Chicago Bears this weekend.

2697
02:00:33,560 --> 02:00:35,400
Speaker 1: I'm flipping on that, to be honest with you. The

2698
02:00:35,480 --> 02:00:37,640
Speaker 1: Raiders favored by one over the Bears at home. I

2699
02:00:37,640 --> 02:00:39,800
Speaker 1: actually think the Chicago Bears are gonna come in and

2700
02:00:39,880 --> 02:00:43,640
Speaker 1: keep that momentum going offensively and beat the Las Vegas Raiders,

2701
02:00:43,640 --> 02:00:45,640
Speaker 1: who will now fall to one in three At the

2702
02:00:45,640 --> 02:00:47,560
Speaker 1: beginning of Pete Carrolls tenure.

2703
02:00:47,440 --> 02:00:51,480
Speaker 2: I have the exact same pick here, Bears plus one.

2704
02:00:51,720 --> 02:00:53,120
Speaker 1: I can road, you can't.

2705
02:00:55,080 --> 02:00:58,160
Speaker 2: Well, you led me to water here. It sounds like

2706
02:00:58,200 --> 02:01:00,480
Speaker 2: such a good pick. You were so convinced with your

2707
02:01:00,520 --> 02:01:03,960
Speaker 2: logic there. I gotta go with the Bears over them too. Yeah,

2708
02:01:04,000 --> 02:01:06,879
Speaker 2: this Raiders team gave up forty one points the defense

2709
02:01:07,080 --> 02:01:09,000
Speaker 2: to Mariota. It's brutal right now.

2710
02:01:09,040 --> 02:01:11,160
Speaker 1: Thanks Debris, thanks to Mark, Thanks to you for listening

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02:01:11,160 --> 02:01:13,560
Speaker 1: to us. Much appreciate it. Project in Il coming up

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02:01:13,640 --> 02:01:14,840
Speaker 1: next here on FSR