Speaker 1: Of the Law and Order franchises. SVU is considered especially watchable.
Speaker 2: We are the amateur detectives who kind of investigate the
Speaker 2: vicious felonies. These episodes are based on. These are our stories.
Speaker 2: Done done.
Speaker 3: Hello, that's messed up an SVU podcast.
Speaker 2: I'm Lee as a Trigger and I'm Kara Klank And
Speaker 2: every week it's SVU recaps, it's true crime, deep dives,
Speaker 2: it's chats with actors and other celebs, and in the
Speaker 2: beginning it's just catching up and chit chatting.
Speaker 3: Well, and now it's just you know, the countdown to
Speaker 3: the Emmys.
Speaker 2: I mean, I can't wait to see what happens.
Speaker 3: It's really fucking exciting. I'm really pumped.
Speaker 2: And as everybody on this podcast should know, this has
Speaker 2: been HQ for manifesting Marishka hosting Saturday Night Live, which
Speaker 2: now feels like it has to happen.
Speaker 3: When are the Emmys?
Speaker 2: I think September sixteenth, but that's off the top of
Speaker 2: my head. Who knows, Okay, Okay, let's see if I
Speaker 2: was right. Okay, Emy's twenty twenty six, September fourteenth.
Speaker 3: Class bad not too far off?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder if you know, it's like obviously she's
Speaker 2: a giant star. I'm beloved by many. But it is
Speaker 2: like she is having a moment, you know what I mean? Yeah,
Speaker 2: like it is.
Speaker 3: Kind of like a peak thrill of a moment where
Speaker 3: everyone's everyone's feeling it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I mean the thing is is that this
Speaker 1: Unfortunately I don't think SNL starts till after that time.
Speaker 2: But hopefully they'll still have her on. What do you
Speaker 2: mean Unfortunately they wouldn't have her on before. I think
Speaker 2: they would as she's got a problem. No, no, because
Speaker 2: they have never had her. They don't want her. That's
Speaker 2: the problem. That's the issue.
Speaker 3: It's been twenty seven seasons, right, But like.
Speaker 1: If the these are on NBC and they're trying to
Speaker 1: promote the Emmys, I think they would have.
Speaker 3: Her my inside scoop as Lauren hates women.
Speaker 2: Oh okay, well there's something new like count the hosts.
Speaker 2: Count the hosts? How many women versus men? He doesn't? Yeah,
Speaker 2: well what did what did I get?
Speaker 3: He wants them thin and miserable and and even the ones.
Speaker 2: That are feel like they're still getting fired as cast members.
Speaker 4: Wow.
Speaker 2: But anyways, interesting, interesting, Okay, interesting information, big claims here,
Speaker 2: But are you intrigued at all by Odyssey fever that
Speaker 2: everybody is experiencing.
Speaker 3: I want to, of.
Speaker 2: Course, of course I'm busy, so I'm not going to
Speaker 2: be able to go until mid August, I think. But
Speaker 2: I think that'll be good. It'll die down. I'll get
Speaker 2: some tickets. I mean, I have friends going at seven am.
Speaker 2: New York screenings were at three am. Jesus, yeah, there
Speaker 2: were three am strings packed, sold out like New York's
Speaker 2: alive obviously, but no, I have the fever.
Speaker 3: He I just don't like Christopher Nolan.
Speaker 2: He doesn't give women parts like women have a few lines?
Speaker 3: Did you already see it? Casey? He did, so each
Speaker 3: woman has what max seven lines? Well, I think they
Speaker 3: have a little bit. I think he doesn't like like
Speaker 3: he another person who doesn't like women, and we have
Speaker 3: to all celebrate him as he gives Florence Pugh three
Speaker 3: lines and up and high.
Speaker 4: I'm not interested, but Anne Hathaway is, But I'm going.
Speaker 4: Anne Hathway is very good. Wouldn't be surprised if she
Speaker 4: won an Oscar for her role. She's really I love
Speaker 4: her to.
Speaker 2: Win an Oscar when people are liking her, not knowing
Speaker 2: her earnestness bro.
Speaker 4: I think she really ties the film together. But nice,
Speaker 4: I loved the Odyssey. I have Odyssey fever too.
Speaker 3: And what is her role?
Speaker 2: What is Anne Hathaway playing? She's Penelope, Penelope okay, Oysseus
Speaker 2: is trying to get back to Oh got it? And
Speaker 2: Lupita Nyongo is Hara.
Speaker 3: Who is she?
Speaker 2: Helen of Troy?
Speaker 3: Hellen of Troy?
Speaker 4: She has two lines? But uh, yes, senday, I heard
Speaker 4: some two scenes.
Speaker 3: It's just like that.
Speaker 2: I was.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 1: Somebody else I was talking to was like, yeah, Christopher
Speaker 1: Nolan doesn't really know what to do with women.
Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe he should take a class, Like, I don't know.
Speaker 2: I just I think it is wrong to celebrate filmmakers
Speaker 2: who cannot include women in their stuff. It's like, you're
Speaker 2: obviously not good. Yeah, you're not good enough. You're not
Speaker 2: good enough. Now I'm obsessed with him because fuck cgi
Speaker 2: fuck AI. I like that they're in the mountains. I
Speaker 2: like that they're on the ocean. I like that the
Speaker 2: sets are being built, like it's everything I believe in.
Speaker 2: And I definitely will go.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I'm going to go to I was supposed
Speaker 1: to go last night, but plans got rearranged.
Speaker 3: But I'm gonna watch the Curci.
Speaker 2: I'm gonna read my Circe book before I think. Great,
Speaker 2: I'm on the right, but I have to study my backup.
Speaker 2: I mean, we're we're we're double record. Listen, We're gonna
Speaker 2: be in the time machine because I will be in mono.
Speaker 2: Lisa has to go to fighting for my life? Okay,
Speaker 2: for my life? What's the mourning dollar at the park?
Speaker 3: Would you say? What?
Speaker 2: Played a guy at the park lost forty dollars. But
Speaker 2: then I went to the New York Backgammon Club event
Speaker 2: and I played with a guy who spoke Russian.
Speaker 3: We got to speak rushing.
Speaker 2: It was awesome and he was a lot better than me,
Speaker 2: and I did beat him, but he also like he
Speaker 2: was giving he was nudging me around, giving me some
Speaker 2: good advice my future. And I played a girl. You know,
Speaker 2: I'm in hardcore training mode. Wow, I love it.
Speaker 3: Her court training mard. Yeah.
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm going there to film something, so it's
Speaker 2: like if I'm bad, I'm bad, I'm gonna be bad.
Speaker 2: But like you know, I'm there to interview me, see
Speaker 2: what's up, explore whatever.
Speaker 3: But I don't want to fully humiliate myself.
Speaker 1: This is like your insomniac, except it's in Monaco at
Speaker 1: a fucking backgammon competition.
Speaker 3: I love it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it's also tell my One of the producers messaged
Speaker 2: me that she looks up and cocktails are thirty dollars
Speaker 2: at the at the hotel. That yeah, okay, yeah we
Speaker 2: might have to sneak. I might have to start flirting
Speaker 2: with these. You might have to do an old, old
Speaker 2: bizarre spring bottle of trick. I mean that's like really expensive.
Speaker 3: Yeah, we'll see what happens.
Speaker 2: But my coach, he said, if he doesn't have time
Speaker 2: to train because he owns the World Championships, he will
Speaker 2: be sending people my way throughout the days to be
Speaker 2: training and playing with me. Oh okay, so.
Speaker 3: I my Russian teacher was like, why is he so
Speaker 3: invested in this?
Speaker 2: I go, I don't know, but I think he just
Speaker 2: wants advertisement for his app, Galaxy Backgammon.
Speaker 3: Okay, but he's really invested. He's like, send me screenshots,
Speaker 3: like ask me questions throughout while you're playing.
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, let's get you. Let's I mean what
Speaker 1: I think. Regardless, you'll be better than you were when
Speaker 1: you got there. When you leave probably learn a lots. Yeah,
Speaker 1: it's like they're just for laughs.
Speaker 2: Like I'm gonna meet every backgammon person around the world
Speaker 2: that's gonna be there. It.
Speaker 1: Oh my god, you got new faces for backgammon. You're
Speaker 1: not supposed to talk about it, Lisa, You're gonna get
Speaker 1: in trouble.
Speaker 2: But like the girl who runs NYC backgammon clubs, she's
Speaker 2: in Greece right now with people's you met last year
Speaker 2: and like her instat stories are incredible. She like met
Speaker 2: someone he has a margaritea vilf themed home, but his
Speaker 2: wife has all these trophies. They're on a boat playing,
Speaker 2: they have an elevator in their home. There's backgam and
Speaker 2: like these are people that are playing every day, all
Speaker 2: day for years. So it's like it's kind of like
Speaker 2: the heated rivalry guys learning how to ice skate. It's
Speaker 2: like I just can't. I can't catch up in a
Speaker 2: real way. But there is a game of luck. Like
Speaker 2: I hope I don't get knocked out immediately, but if I.
Speaker 3: Do, I'll get drunk. I don't know. I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. Guys, Yeah, who's to say, who's to say?
Speaker 3: But I'm really excited. I think it's gonna be wonderful. Oh.
Speaker 2: Also, someone DM me. They're like, hey, can I open
Speaker 2: for you in Dallas? Like, I'm not going to Dallas.
Speaker 2: They sent me the link. They're like, you're here in September.
Speaker 2: I go, thank you very much. Good to know, good
Speaker 2: to know. My agent goes, this was confirmed in May.
Speaker 2: So you guys, I I'm in La Joya, I'm in Cleveland.
Speaker 2: I'm in I think some Philly La Joia. Shit's happening.
Speaker 2: Shit's happening. A show in sell in Brooklyn, September thirteenth.
Speaker 2: So like, please, I've updated the links, so you know,
Speaker 2: you know, yeah, I'm there.
Speaker 3: Come see me, Come see me do my job.
Speaker 2: If you want no pressure, JK, please come, please flapcome.
Speaker 2: What's up with their East Coast adventures? What's been on
Speaker 2: the agenda? What are you a police storming? And isn't
Speaker 2: thundering at least here in Connecticut? I don't know.
Speaker 1: Maybe it's not passing over you, but not yet, not yet.
Speaker 1: I don't I'm on ACU weather now. I was on
Speaker 1: weather channel dot com. I don't know what I was doing.
Speaker 1: And now I'm on ACU weather and it's a whole
Speaker 1: new world. Yeah, it's raining and pouring here. I went
Speaker 1: to the Jersey Shore last weekend with some friends Stop
Speaker 1: never be It was wonderful. I got to be away
Speaker 1: from my kids, which always a thrill. I mean, just
Speaker 1: after this long period, you know, I've just been with
Speaker 1: them like a lot, So it was just it was nice.
Speaker 2: But I'm like, wait, so what was the Jersey Shore like?
Speaker 2: Was it everything you imagined? Or have you been there before?
Speaker 2: I've been there a bunch of times. I've been there
Speaker 2: are a ton of times.
Speaker 1: My friend that you that you know, has a place
Speaker 1: down there, and I used to go like multiple times
Speaker 1: this summer and then, you know, obviously when I moved
Speaker 1: to La Big Gap, and then I went last summer
Speaker 1: and now this summer. So it's like back in the rotation,
Speaker 1: and the beach is gorgeous, and she has a place
Speaker 1: that's like right on the beach with a pool, so
Speaker 1: you have both options, which I really love.
Speaker 2: And you know, but when you go to the beach,
Speaker 2: then do you shower before you jump in the pool?
Speaker 5: Yeah?
Speaker 3: There's a rint soft station, you know. Yeah.
Speaker 2: Yeah, It's one of the worst moments in Survivor, is
Speaker 2: like they win this cho like you know, there's they're
Speaker 2: living a terrible life on this island. And then they
Speaker 2: want a reward and they had to bring fucking Philip
Speaker 2: because they had to. And it's this gorgeous pool. They
Speaker 2: have fruits. It's like this cool reward. And he won't
Speaker 2: shower and jumps in the pool and makes it all dirty.
Speaker 2: All his dirt goes everywhere because they don't shower. I'm
Speaker 2: not like they're dirty. Oh god, And the other two
Speaker 2: people are like, what the fuck you just I think
Speaker 2: about that a lot. So I think about that a lot.
Speaker 2: But yeah, it's weird.
Speaker 3: What in your mind.
Speaker 1: It was tough because I had to drive back to
Speaker 1: the city during the World Cup final, which was in
Speaker 1: New Jersey, so that was not the best time to
Speaker 1: be on the road.
Speaker 3: But we honestly were fine. We got around it.
Speaker 1: We timed it so we kind of got to New
Speaker 1: Jersey like as the game was starting. So if you're
Speaker 1: pulling into the World Cup at three o'clock, I don't know,
Speaker 1: you're not a fan.
Speaker 3: What are you doing? Yeah?
Speaker 1: So I was going into the city because I went
Speaker 1: to go see Brian the opening night of Brian Safie's
Speaker 1: one man show which is called Are You Mad at Me?
Speaker 1: Which is playing at the Here Art Center which is
Speaker 1: in Soho until August fifteenth. People, you guys gotta go
Speaker 1: see it. It's so funny. He's so funny. I actually
Speaker 1: saw it in LA but it's changed a lot and
Speaker 1: it's super super funny and I love the theater like him.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was great.
Speaker 1: And I went to the after party and I didn't
Speaker 1: know anyone, but I met people and I.
Speaker 3: Met a fellow exactly right head.
Speaker 1: I met Michael Foot, who is the host of Brief Recess,
Speaker 1: and I hung out with him and his husband and
Speaker 1: it was lovely.
Speaker 3: It was wonderful.
Speaker 2: They have like a Yeah, this is a lesson, go
Speaker 2: to things by yourself. People get so worried. I mean,
Speaker 2: I'm just like, live alone, not a lonely life. I
Speaker 2: live a solitary life a lot. Yeah, and so it's
Speaker 2: just never been an issue for me. Like I've did
Speaker 2: a full you know, alligator tour alone. But that might
Speaker 2: not be for but it's just an encouraging thing. You'll
Speaker 2: meet a person, you'll find a thing you know, like
Speaker 2: now you now you know Michael Foot and his husband.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I truly thought I would like, no more people.
Speaker 1: And then I was like, oh, I don't that's okay,
Speaker 1: and then I talked to them. I met I met
Speaker 1: a girl I'm a huge fan of I've been like
Speaker 1: following her work for a really long time. I met
Speaker 1: Anna Gasteire from SNL. I mean it was, oh my god,
Speaker 1: it was very fun. But then I leave. I leave
Speaker 1: soon for by the time this episode comes out, I'll
Speaker 1: be in Vermont. I'll be in the woods.
Speaker 3: No, not really, I mean, my god, you'll be at camp.
Speaker 1: Well, I'll be wait, I'm I'm gonna be in the
Speaker 1: town of my camp for like a full month, but
Speaker 1: I'm gonna be saying it like a house until I
Speaker 1: moved to camp, you know what I mean. Okay, So
Speaker 1: it's like I'll be living like a normal Vermont person's
Speaker 1: life for three weeks and then I'll be living a
Speaker 1: camp life.
Speaker 3: But you'll be working at the camp the night. No, no,
Speaker 3: I'm not, I'm not. You're just gonna be in Vermont.
Speaker 2: I'm just gonna be in Vermont for these three weeks
Speaker 2: and then I am working that last week when I like,
Speaker 2: what I usually do to me, what will you be
Speaker 2: doing the in Vermont just recording our podcast.
Speaker 1: My kids are going to camp, like, uh, Rosie's going
Speaker 1: to go to a camp there, the camp, the day
Speaker 1: camp that's related to my camp, and then Oscar's going
Speaker 1: to go to this other onecause they wouldn't squeeze him in.
Speaker 2: And you know, aren't you pissed? You're piss I am,
Speaker 2: but I get it.
Speaker 1: He's he's a year younger, and Oscar's not really the
Speaker 1: kind that you're going that you go, he'll be no
Speaker 1: problem squeeze him in. Famously, I squeezed him into a
Speaker 1: puppet camp last summer. They called me and told me
Speaker 1: that he tried to escape into the parking lot and
Speaker 1: a security guard had to chase him down. So he's
Speaker 1: not always the best at a slide under the door
Speaker 1: kind of situation. Rosie is the kind of person that
Speaker 1: could do that. But anyway, they're gonna go to sepper camps.
Speaker 3: They'll be fine.
Speaker 1: They're at a camp today where it's crazy hair Day.
Speaker 1: And I went to Target at like ten o'clock last
Speaker 1: night to find them this toxic like hair here it is,
Speaker 1: it's called Punky color, and I sprayed it in their hair.
Speaker 1: This morning, Oscar looks completely insane.
Speaker 3: I can't. I actually need to take a picture of
Speaker 3: them when they get home.
Speaker 1: So they're at camp with blue hair right now, loving life,
Speaker 1: and yeah, I don't. That's kind of I'm kind of like,
Speaker 1: what an idyllic thing.
Speaker 2: Yeah, Vermont in August in a home. I'm excited. I
Speaker 2: think it'll be really fun. I'm gonna like walk around
Speaker 2: the lake every day. I'm pumped. Well, you mentioned the
Speaker 2: World Cup. Yes, So the day before the World Cup finale,
Speaker 2: I went to Now I went to see Meg Salter
Speaker 2: and Omary Oh, oh my gosh, how was it? She
Speaker 2: killed it? She really was awesome. She you know, she
Speaker 2: has bronchitis. Yeah, and I heard all the drama. There
Speaker 2: was a rumor that she canceled her Broadway show and
Speaker 2: was seen at the comedy and I was like, she's
Speaker 2: not going to the comedy. So funny, but also it's
Speaker 2: like she's the lead of a Broadway hitch, Like what
Speaker 2: are people talking about?
Speaker 3: But whatever, So I.
Speaker 2: Went with some of her good friends and we got
Speaker 2: to go to Russia. We went to Russian Samovar for
Speaker 2: dinner before so I got to order in Russian and
Speaker 2: kind of lib a little.
Speaker 3: Fantasy as well.
Speaker 2: But none of us like planned that there would be
Speaker 2: fifteen thousand Argentinians in Times Square waving flags.
Speaker 4: Wo.
Speaker 2: So it was like a full parade, people partying, like international,
Speaker 2: some Spanish jerseys, but like mostly Argentinian.
Speaker 3: And then there was the flash floods. So we're at
Speaker 3: Russian Samovar.
Speaker 2: Time is clicking all of a sudden, it's an eleven
Speaker 2: minute walk. That's not gonna be an eleven minute walk.
Speaker 2: It is bumper to bumper human traffic. But then also
Speaker 2: the kind of rain, so then it's like also raining,
Speaker 2: but then also a car would be twenty eight minutes, right,
Speaker 2: So like dinner ran late. We're like rushing through the
Speaker 2: rain and all these people and I'm like, I'm so
Speaker 2: happy to be alive, and everyone's like you're a freak,
Speaker 2: and I'm like, I just know. I like to experience things.
Speaker 2: But it was kind of stressful. But Meg killed it.
Speaker 2: The Abraham Lincoln killed it. I go, that motherfucker's been
Speaker 2: an SVU. Of course he has military justice, the Sherry
Speaker 2: apple Bee rape military Okay, but he was so hot.
Speaker 3: I loved his mannerism. So funny Meg, all her little faces,
Speaker 3: she kills.
Speaker 2: She's just awesome. And she's she's doing it through September,
Speaker 2: maybe wait till her bronchitis is done. But you know,
Speaker 2: but I just I loved it. I'm that's so awesome.
Speaker 1: I I was, I'm going, I want to go in
Speaker 1: on Thursday this week and see something. And unfortunately I
Speaker 1: missed Mateo in Chicago, but I was thinking about going
Speaker 1: to see the Jellico Ball.
Speaker 2: Okay, well, yeah, yeah, I want to see that.
Speaker 3: I heard it.
Speaker 2: I don't know it's gonna happen. But oh, but the finals,
Speaker 2: I left my wallet at Samovar. I had to go
Speaker 2: back uptown the next day after my backham and lessons.
Speaker 3: It's so funny. The coffee shops like, oh, are you
Speaker 3: working on your Russian?
Speaker 2: I go, it's backgammon today. They're like, what is your life?
Speaker 2: I'm like, I can't talk about it. I'm like I
Speaker 2: can't even explain this. Even my Russian teacher was just like,
Speaker 2: do you why are you doing this? I go, I
Speaker 2: just say yes to opportunities. I don't know what to
Speaker 2: tell you if I don't have good answers for anything.
Speaker 1: I come from a place of yes and you come
Speaker 1: from a place of no.
Speaker 2: No, She's a yes girl too, but she was annoyed.
Speaker 2: I didn't do any of my homework. I've been sick,
Speaker 2: I lost my voice, I'm on antibiotics, I keep drinking.
Speaker 3: I don't want to talk about it. But I went
Speaker 3: to Canal.
Speaker 2: Bar, which was a Chicago Bears bar that I love,
Speaker 2: and Argentina. Wow, embarrassing, embarrassing. Didn't kick one goal, Like
Speaker 2: didn't They didn't even get a shot. Yeah, they didn't
Speaker 2: even get a shot. The goalie didn't even have to
Speaker 2: try to stop a ball once. That's so surprising.
Speaker 1: We were watching it in the car a little bit,
Speaker 1: not like we like had it on my friend's YouTube
Speaker 1: like TV on her on her phone and she was like,
Speaker 1: I think that the announcer just said that they haven't
Speaker 1: shot on goal yet. I was like, come on, it's
Speaker 1: like seventy minutes into the game, what like.
Speaker 3: No, and I you know, and it's just like I
Speaker 3: don't know. They were like pulling jerseys, beating the shit
Speaker 3: out of people, screaming, fighting, It's like, I don't know,
Speaker 3: so embarrassing, you know, friend was.
Speaker 1: Saying too, because my friend that drove me down there
Speaker 1: and back up, this is my friend Bridget that came
Speaker 1: to our Denver shows with us and had to keep
Speaker 1: lying down on the sidewalk because she was having what
Speaker 1: is it called like a height altitude sickness. She was
Speaker 1: driving me back and she was a big soccer player,
Speaker 1: played for our college and everything, and she's like, I go,
Speaker 1: what is it with this falling down and crying shit
Speaker 1: that they've been doing.
Speaker 2: I don't think, she goes the women didn't do that. No, women, Well,
Speaker 2: women are more used to pain. Women are not, Like,
Speaker 2: it's been really crazy this World Cup. The women do
Speaker 2: not do that.
Speaker 3: And I was like, yeah, but it does hurt.
Speaker 2: Like one guy got the ball kicked in his face,
Speaker 2: like it is powerful thing. They have no padding, Like
Speaker 2: I understand it hurts. Women are just stronger, like they
Speaker 2: just are. Tattoo artists say this all the time, doctor,
Speaker 2: Like it is just like matter of fact, women tolerate
Speaker 2: pain because we're forced to because people believe in the Bible.
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, yeah, yeah.
Speaker 2: You know what I mean, because there's been studies where
Speaker 2: it's like men and women that are married have the
Speaker 2: same issues, and the men are given pain killers and
Speaker 2: women are given timely Yeah, like it just like is
Speaker 2: our reality, sadly, but the women like the US women
Speaker 2: are just better at soccer.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: I don't know what else kind of say, I just
Speaker 2: especially in this country. But I had fun watching it
Speaker 2: was fun.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna miss it, I.
Speaker 1: Know because now there's like a little bit of a
Speaker 1: break in, like the exciting sports stuff that been going
Speaker 1: on in New York like continuously for a while now.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but I have made some hockey connects.
Speaker 2: I was gonna say, are you going to get into
Speaker 2: like the Rangers or like.
Speaker 3: I'm gonna go to the women? For sure? I am.
Speaker 2: And then I met someone that likes hockey and he
Speaker 2: goes to the preseason games that are forty bucks and
Speaker 2: it always goes to the home opener of the preseason whatever.
Speaker 2: I don't know, so I'm gonna go. And then I
Speaker 2: told one of my agents they have to take me.
Speaker 1: I think hockey's really fun. I've always liked watching it,
Speaker 1: even in high school we used to go to games
Speaker 1: all the time.
Speaker 2: I've never seen it never like watching It's fast, That's
Speaker 2: what I like about it. And you know I have
Speaker 2: book report time. Yes, okay, so I did finally finish.
Speaker 2: I who have never known men loved it, loved it.
Speaker 2: Learned a lot. I thought it was poignant, well done.
Speaker 2: I loved it. Then, since I was sick, I was
Speaker 2: really just and the storms. I got to just sit
Speaker 2: and I finished a book called Goodbye Paradise by Serena Bowen.
Speaker 3: You might remember she wrote the other.
Speaker 2: Gay hockey books that yes, yeah, this one is incredible.
Speaker 2: It's two guys they escape a polygamist cult and have
Speaker 2: to like hitchhike across the country. They're obviously in love
Speaker 2: and gay, and there's enough they like meet up with
Speaker 2: someone else that escaped the cult years ago, and it's awesome.
Speaker 2: And now I'm reading the next book in the series,
Speaker 2: Hello Forever, and it's basketball.
Speaker 3: Oh nice, all gays.
Speaker 5: Yeah.
Speaker 2: After finishing I Who Have Never Known Men, which is
Speaker 2: about forty women trapped in a cage underground, I think
Speaker 2: I needed.
Speaker 3: Some gay romance. Yeah, yeah, and I'm getting it and
Speaker 3: I'm getting it.
Speaker 2: And what I loved about Goodbye Paradise is like usually
Speaker 2: with these books, it's will they won't they for two
Speaker 2: hundred pages, or it's like a guy constantly be like,
Speaker 2: I don't know if he likes me, and it's like
Speaker 2: he likes you.
Speaker 3: And this got going right away. And so I did
Speaker 3: appreciate that there was not like two hundred pages of
Speaker 3: frustrating men making terrible decisions and not reading science. So
Speaker 3: I was it was just like, it was sweet, it
Speaker 3: was cool.
Speaker 2: It was obviously serious because as a cults and there's crimes,
Speaker 2: but also just like horny and awesome and I loved it.
Speaker 2: Love Thank you Serena, butwen for that.
Speaker 1: I'm like halfway through Allison Lebey's book, which I'm enjoying,
Speaker 1: but I have also been getting back on my freaking TV.
Speaker 1: I'm halfway through Rhode Island. I'm watching Hi, It's crazy.
Speaker 1: People are like my friends go, oh my god, did
Speaker 1: you see how much so and so changed in the reunion?
Speaker 1: I go, it's already to reunion. I was so mortified
Speaker 1: in my life. I've never been this behind, and I
Speaker 1: can't say.
Speaker 3: I have to say.
Speaker 1: I think I blame it on my cord cutting, Like
Speaker 1: if I had my DVR in front of me, this
Speaker 1: wouldn't have happened.
Speaker 3: But I am catching up and I do there.
Speaker 2: Wait, I forgot huge news after the World's Cup. I
Speaker 2: was at the bar facetimed my eldest nephew and niece
Speaker 2: there at my parents' house. They facetimed with me for
Speaker 2: forty one minutes. Whoa yeah, huge a thrill. It was
Speaker 2: huge passing the phone around everybody talking mostly just the
Speaker 2: kids in English. We did we kept in English. Wow, yeah,
Speaker 2: but yeah, we kept it English. But and then they
Speaker 2: talked to like the people I was at the bar
Speaker 2: with and stuff. But it was really a thrill. And
Speaker 2: the bartender kepting like you're still talking to your family.
Speaker 2: And then my like Julia was just like you need
Speaker 2: to relax. This is a huge deal for her. Yeah,
Speaker 2: this is unprecedented, like yeah, yeah, sorry, but the cord
Speaker 2: cutting because I was talking to my nephew and I
Speaker 2: think Caleb Aron said this, But it's like Tvo is
Speaker 2: when it should have stopped, Like we could record, we
Speaker 2: could fast forward behind, you know, like have something that
Speaker 2: we care about, but still it still be run by
Speaker 2: linear television like commercial all of us making more money
Speaker 2: in terms of creative jobs. But then also like the streaming,
Speaker 2: like all of this is a nightmare. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: I think TiVo is when it should have started. TiVo
Speaker 2: should have been the pinnacle, and unfortunately we kept going.
Speaker 3: Going, And now that you know the Lettuces, that's in.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, the Lettuce.
Speaker 2: I know those don't seem connected, but in my brain
Speaker 2: they've connected. So well, listen, conglomerate I did. That's what
Speaker 2: I meant. It's all like monopolies. Everyone owns everything. They're
Speaker 2: all evil as fuck. They don't care about us. So
Speaker 2: it's like just a nightmare. Yeah, the Lettuce and the
Speaker 2: TV people are having explosive diarrhea from Lettuce. Yeah, it's
Speaker 2: not it's not great, which doesn't affect me at all.
Speaker 1: Well, I had Taco Bell last night, and the second
Speaker 1: I took a bite in, I was like, oh, this
Speaker 1: has lettuce.
Speaker 2: Oopsie, so fingers crossed nothing so far. It's also sprinkling.
Speaker 2: It's a sprinkling. I'm just hoping. But I'll tell you
Speaker 2: there was no line at Taco Bell. There was no line. No,
Speaker 2: they're suffering right now. They're suffering. Yeah, for sure, keep
Speaker 2: Taco Bell in your heart's everyone. No, am I not
Speaker 2: watching TV or movies. I just watch podcasts. I only
Speaker 2: I have my three pops on this week's episode, which
Speaker 2: by the way, just dropped today. I think of them
Speaker 2: all than the beautiful Tricksy does talk about the second
Speaker 2: Mortal Kombat. They talk about it together at length. I'm
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Speaker 2: Katya has issues. Katya has some issues, but overall we're
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Speaker 2: like you know Katya like she just has like weird opinions.
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Speaker 3: I was like, I don't even know what they're talking about.
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Speaker 1: We've got a great episode today. Don't go anywhere, all right,
Speaker 1: we are doing today, Season twenty one, episode fifteen, Swimming
Speaker 1: with Sharks. This episode came out in February of twenty twenty,
Speaker 1: so like right before the pandemic. I remember watching this one,
Speaker 1: but I sort of really liked watching it again. To me,
Speaker 1: it really felt like an older episode, like it felt
Speaker 1: even though it's the season twenty one. To me, it
Speaker 1: feels like a season like ten.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I would say it twist in turns, Yeah, it
Speaker 2: in turns interesting, fun something we've never seen before too, Like, yeah,
Speaker 2: I don't feel like there's many episodes like this. Yes, yes,
Speaker 2: it's a unique fun episode. Yeah, they killed it so
Speaker 2: that's funny. Yeah, there is there. There's definitely funny humor.
Speaker 2: I also love when they're like, you know, at the
Speaker 2: video game convention, Like I like when they're out on
Speaker 2: the town as.
Speaker 3: A group too.
Speaker 1: Right, So this episode starts out like generic pop song
Speaker 1: playing like people aren't buying stuff, like things are changing hands.
Speaker 1: You're not sure what it is. It kind of looks
Speaker 1: like it's a costume jewelry farmers market like, but the
Speaker 1: lyrics of the song are like fashion HIGHLIGHTE fame.
Speaker 3: I did google it. It's called Again and Again.
Speaker 2: It's from some random pop album that is probably used
Speaker 2: by television shows. But we cut to Cat and Rowlands
Speaker 2: checking out some merchandise. Cat is holding up this.
Speaker 1: Like tear drop crystal basically on a string and goes,
Speaker 1: this is pretty, and then Roland's like, well that's a
Speaker 1: vaginal egg, like I don't know what to tell you,
Speaker 1: and I don't know what she thought it was, like
Speaker 1: a I don't know what she thought it was, and
Speaker 1: Cat's like, ooh, never mind, and then she was I
Speaker 1: guess the message is positive empowering women through wellness, and
Speaker 1: Rowlins is like, yeah, I'm not buying it, Like the
Speaker 1: message I'm getting is spend all your damn money.
Speaker 2: So I didn't know Rollins was such an anti capitalist,
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 1: Like I think she just it's basically this feels like,
Speaker 1: oh too girly.
Speaker 2: You know, maybe if there was sports balls here right
Speaker 2: like that, if there was like beer and Papa shot,
Speaker 2: she'd be like this rocks, I do love Papa Shot.
Speaker 3: You shouldn't have said that.
Speaker 2: I know.
Speaker 3: Sorry, you're going straight to a David Busters after this.
Speaker 2: Well, you know, I did finally find a barcade with
Speaker 2: a Qubert.
Speaker 3: So yeah, ooh that's fun.
Speaker 2: Yeah, because the one by my house doesn't have one,
Speaker 2: but yeah, I walked by. I saw Cubert on twenty
Speaker 2: fourth and I will be going there. So anyway, I
Speaker 2: can't really tell what this is. This feels like it's
Speaker 2: some kind of like wellness conference that had like or
Speaker 2: like convention that has like a purchasing aspect or whatever.
Speaker 2: And now we see this.
Speaker 1: Woman who is clearly the head of this whole company,
Speaker 1: giving like a press conference, and she goes and she's
Speaker 1: going why sex, Why not sex? And the company is
Speaker 1: called We Be Well, which is funny to me, and
Speaker 1: the logo is a bee like and not not like
Speaker 1: the letter be and she is yapping about being well.
Speaker 1: She like her mantra is be well, be hot, be happy,
Speaker 1: and someone yells out, Luna, we love you, and you
Speaker 1: know she is Luna, and obviously this is like a
Speaker 1: Gwyneth Paltrow situation.
Speaker 2: So women needs.
Speaker 1: She goes women need to know it's okay to love
Speaker 1: our bodies, especially the parts they tell us and not
Speaker 1: to talk about. And she seems like she's like just
Speaker 1: on like a smidgeon of cocaine, you know what I mean,
Speaker 1: Like she doesn't seem absolutely coked out, but like she's
Speaker 1: on enough.
Speaker 3: And the crowd goes.
Speaker 1: Wild and she goes see you on stage like she's
Speaker 1: loving life. Backstage, an assistant is offering Benson herbal or
Speaker 1: detox tea and she's like, bitch, I drink red wine
Speaker 1: or coffee and the assistant. The assistant is like, Luna
Speaker 1: is so sorry she couldn't welcome you in person.
Speaker 3: She can't wait to meet you. I don't understand what's
Speaker 3: going on.
Speaker 1: At the beginning, I'm like, why is Benson at this
Speaker 1: weird wellness conference?
Speaker 3: And then in walks Luna. She's girl bossing hard.
Speaker 1: She's got like an entourage of people with her and
Speaker 1: she's like, oh, Detective Benson, can I call you or
Speaker 1: Lieutenant Benson, can I call you Olivia? And then she goes,
Speaker 1: I am the SHEEO of we be well, Luna Prasada.
Speaker 3: The sheeo is that's tough stuff. What, No, it's bad.
Speaker 3: I mean I wrote in my notes. I wrote in
Speaker 3: my notes.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying I want something bad to happen to her,
Speaker 1: but I'm not loving her.
Speaker 2: Like well, the thing is, it's like CEO isn't masculine.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's just letters.
Speaker 2: So sheeo is just a little bit funny because CEO works.
Speaker 3: Yes, yeah, yeah, yah yah.
Speaker 1: So like we did a thing on Drag Race which
Speaker 1: was she MZ because it was TMZ about drag queens,
Speaker 1: so you don't have to like she things up unless
Speaker 1: you're going all the way drag.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 1: And then she forces Benson into a hug, which Benson
Speaker 1: is like okay, and then she starts, you know, blowing
Speaker 1: some china up Benson's trench coat, like I'm so impressed
Speaker 1: by you, and I guess Olivia is there to speak
Speaker 1: at like wellness.
Speaker 3: Con I don't know.
Speaker 1: And then Melanie the CEO introduces herself and she is
Speaker 1: played by Samantha Mathis, friend of the pod we had
Speaker 1: her on I believe episode sixty eight. I wrote it
Speaker 1: down later in my notes, but the episode Control, she
Speaker 1: is a woman who is kidnapped and forced to marry
Speaker 1: a man and then cuts his balls off, cuts his
Speaker 1: dick off, and leaves it in a I fuck it.
Speaker 1: Oh no, leaves him in the subway. The guy takes
Speaker 1: him in the subway, right, Yeah, that's Control. So anyway,
Speaker 1: Samantha one of my favorite episodes. I would say, yeah,
Speaker 1: And Marishka's father, isn't it. Yes, he's the guy on
Speaker 1: the escalator that sees the man bleeding from his chopped
Speaker 1: off balls.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes.
Speaker 1: And and Samantha Mathis is in like all these nineties
Speaker 1: movies and like, I.
Speaker 2: Love her, But I can earn Geneva Carr for some
Speaker 2: reason mixed up and it makes no sense.
Speaker 1: But well I could see that because Geneva wears like
Speaker 1: a dark glasses blonde with like a like a thick
Speaker 1: glasses and that's kind of the vibe Melanie is having
Speaker 1: in this episode. But she tries to introduce herself to
Speaker 1: Benson and Luna just.
Speaker 2: Me, isn't she Also in the Woody Allen episode we
Speaker 2: did with Bradley Woodford.
Speaker 3: Yes, totally. Wow, they really love samantham out this.
Speaker 2: I don't understand. I'm on, do not disturb? Why would
Speaker 2: my laptop ring? And what are these loan officers calling
Speaker 2: me about four, five, six times a day? I don't
Speaker 2: have any loans. My parents paid for college.
Speaker 3: Like what do you want? What? I did? Everything right?
Speaker 3: Oh my god, I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: I don't know what you do. I do not just
Speaker 2: there's like no way to lock it down. I don't
Speaker 2: know I'm blocking. I'm blocking every area code everything. It's like,
Speaker 2: get out of my life, all right, continue coming anyway.
Speaker 1: Melanie is trying to introduce herself to Benson, and Luna
Speaker 1: kind of whisks Benson away and like doesn't give a
Speaker 1: fuck about Melanie, Like you get a little vibe there
Speaker 1: that She's like, we don't have we don't have time
Speaker 1: for you. And Luna says to Olivia, you must be
Speaker 1: so busy, since me too, and she's kind of acting
Speaker 1: like me too as like a product that Olivia launch,
Speaker 1: Like god, ever since you guys put out me too?
Speaker 1: Are you like dying? And Olivia goes, well, we are,
Speaker 1: but yet anything I can do to raise awareness and
Speaker 1: Luna's like us girls, we run the world and in
Speaker 1: our spare time we try to fix it too, Like
Speaker 1: she's a lot okay. Cut to Luna and Benson on
Speaker 1: the stage at this be Well thing and Benson is
Speaker 1: sitting and Luna is standing, which is immediately like a
Speaker 1: weird is it in conversation or is it?
Speaker 3: Like what is it? And then she's like giving Tom
Speaker 3: cruise on the couch.
Speaker 1: Yeah, she's manic, and she's like, yeah, that's oh. When
Speaker 1: we're attacked, our brains don't process information in a linear way.
Speaker 1: We revert to our lizard brain. And Olivia keeps trying
Speaker 1: to talk about Luna keeps cutting her off, and Olivia
Speaker 1: is explaining how people process trauma, and she says survival
Speaker 1: takes strength, and Luna like repeats it slowly and goes.
Speaker 3: Survival takes strength. Do you mind if I steal that?
Speaker 1: And it's like all this she starts like for like
Speaker 1: laughing so hard, there's all this applause. I'm like I
Speaker 1: can and I can't believe people are going for this,
Speaker 1: and like she is giving Gwyneth Paltrow, but like much
Speaker 1: more sweaty and pilled out, like it's more like Gwyneth
Speaker 1: Paltrow meets SU's ormond a little bit like it's just
Speaker 1: a little bit more.
Speaker 3: It's like a parody, yes.
Speaker 1: Because Gwyneth Paltrow is obviously very like, buy my seven
Speaker 1: hundred dollars vaginal smelling candle or don't. I don't care,
Speaker 1: Like I'm Gwyneth Paltrow, I'm very rich, you know. Like,
Speaker 1: but this woman is like, we can do this, ladies,
Speaker 1: and she's really wild. So now we cut to Luna's
Speaker 1: hotel suite. The assistant is bringing some guy back and
Speaker 1: telling her, telling him, you've got twenty minutes before her
Speaker 1: car comes.
Speaker 2: Luna's in a silky robe. She's looking kind of drunk.
Speaker 1: I at first I think she's on a phone call,
Speaker 1: but then she sees Bobby, this guy, and I don't
Speaker 1: know if she ends the call, but she completely moves
Speaker 1: on to him, and she seems like she's been waiting
Speaker 1: on him, and she's like, I have a question for you.
Speaker 3: Then she takes off her robe.
Speaker 1: She's wearing like a lingerie like silky slip type thing,
Speaker 1: and her question is saffron or chive, and she's holding
Speaker 1: up two outfits in those colors, and Bobby is like, bitch,
Speaker 1: let's talk Turkey.
Speaker 3: This IPO is not business.
Speaker 1: As usual, so the company's about to go public, as
Speaker 1: we can tell. She's like, we just had an amazing
Speaker 1: three days.
Speaker 3: Enjoy the moment. We have edibles, we have drinkables. Let's
Speaker 3: live a little bit.
Speaker 1: And he's like, well, I've been going through the books
Speaker 1: and she says like, you know, you do numbers, I
Speaker 1: do brilliant ideas, and he's like cool, but you're the CEO,
Speaker 1: so you'll be signing these statements and I want to know.
Speaker 1: I want you to know what's in them. And she's like, okay,
Speaker 1: how about a drink first and then your little power point.
Speaker 1: So back to the downstairs part of the event, Benson,
Speaker 1: Cat and Rollins are walking out into the street and
Speaker 1: Kat's like complimenting Benson, being like, the audience really loved you.
Speaker 1: They appreciated you, and Rollins is like, well, yeah, that
Speaker 1: bitch was interrupting you every five minutes and like shirt
Speaker 1: seconds and she can't believe Kat actually spent money in there,
Speaker 1: and just then she's like, what is my sister's birthday?
Speaker 1: And then Olivia gets an urgent text from Luna's assistant
Speaker 1: and Rollins goes just say no, I mean Rollin's. It's
Speaker 1: like it's season twenty one. You don't like like when
Speaker 1: women are calling for help, you don't know. Benson's not
Speaker 1: going to be like, no thanks, I'm busy.
Speaker 2: She calls Lucy and she goes, so we cut to
Speaker 2: her at Luna's.
Speaker 1: Her assistant is in tears. Luna's on the couch kind
Speaker 1: of withdrawn, and she tells her I was raped.
Speaker 3: Why would he do this to me? Credits Okay.
Speaker 1: At the hospital, Luna's almost done with her exam. They're
Speaker 1: just waiting on antibiotics, and Benson's going over the events
Speaker 1: of the evening with Luna, like, okay, so Bobby came
Speaker 1: up to your room and she's like, yes, he's the CFO.
Speaker 1: I always put him off because he's always got bad news.
Speaker 1: I call him bummed me out, Bobby, And she said
Speaker 1: I offered him a drink to relax him, but I
Speaker 1: was a little bit ahead of him on that front.
Speaker 1: And lives like that's okay, Like it's all right if
Speaker 1: you were a little bit drunk. She's like, we never
Speaker 1: got into the financials. He took a shot of tequila.
Speaker 1: He pushed me down on the bed. I wanted to
Speaker 1: push him off by Froze and it was just like
Speaker 1: you said, I just wanted to serve and their relationship lately,
Speaker 1: I guess has grown tense in advance of announcing the IPO,
Speaker 1: and then she remembers the IPO and she's like, oh
Speaker 1: my god, I can't do this. If this comes out,
Speaker 1: this whole thing is going to be fucked. I can't
Speaker 1: believe he did this to me. You can do your investigation,
Speaker 1: but I'm not pressing charges and lives Like, okay, well
Speaker 1: if you change your mind, like we did get the
Speaker 1: rape kit done, and Luna is like, I don't know
Speaker 1: if you understand, but like this whole brand is dependent
Speaker 1: on women wanting to be me, and like rape doesn't
Speaker 1: fit into that picture. So at the Precinct, Live is
Speaker 1: filling in Careesi that this guy's name is Bobby Frost,
Speaker 1: Stanford frat boy a decade in Silicon Valley before he
Speaker 1: became the CFO of We Be Well. He's got a
Speaker 1: DUI and a divorce with mutual DV allegations, which pensant
Speaker 1: Rollins goes nothing worse than a typical congressman, which is
Speaker 1: a sad commentary on United States politics. The security camera
Speaker 1: has him entering her suite and exiting thirty four minutes later.
Speaker 1: Her talk screen shows high love of alcohol, marijuana, and adderall.
Speaker 1: So that's probably where the coked out thing I got.
Speaker 1: Trauma and seamen were found not inconsistent with assault, but
Speaker 1: Cariesy's like, also not inconsistent with rough sex if he
Speaker 1: gets a good lawyer. Her assistant, Sequoia, was an outcry witness.
Speaker 1: Let's talk to her, and let's talk to Bobby. So
Speaker 1: now we're at the office of Bobby Frost, which I'm
Speaker 1: realizing is Robert Frost, and two roads diverged in a
Speaker 1: wood and this man took the road with the fleece
Speaker 1: vest and he is wearing one of those and it's
Speaker 1: the wrong road. He is very Silicon Valley douche bro.
Speaker 1: He's talking to Rollins and Benson and being like, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it's always hard to say no to Luna.
Speaker 1: And they're like, so you had sex, and he's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: totally consensual.
Speaker 3: Why what is she saying? And he goes.
Speaker 1: Right after we finished, Sequoia walked in and she freaked out,
Speaker 1: and then he spills the tea. Sequoia and Luna are involved,
Speaker 1: and Luna can't admit that she was cheating on Sequoia
Speaker 1: when she walked in on them, and so she's making
Speaker 1: this whole thing up to.
Speaker 3: Cover it up to her girlfriend. The names are really hard.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, Sequoia, Luna, these are very people working at
Speaker 2: a wellness company. And he goes full confession, Luna and
Speaker 2: I used to be involved.
Speaker 1: I broke it off. The sex was against our HR policy,
Speaker 1: he says. Smash cut to a few months later, Luna
Speaker 1: is a proud pan sexual with a hot new twenty
Speaker 1: five year old assistant. He bumps her up to CLO,
Speaker 1: which is chief listening officer, and that's this scene ends
Speaker 1: on that note of ridiculousness. And by the way, this
Speaker 1: guy playing Bobby is named Stark Sands. He is a
Speaker 1: Broadway guy. He was Tony nominated for Kinky Boots, and
Speaker 1: he's a producer O Lost Boys.
Speaker 3: He's a coched h Yeah.
Speaker 1: I don't know if he's in anything currently, but he's
Speaker 1: been in a ton of Broadway stuff. Now Kat is
Speaker 1: getting Sequoya's story. She goes, I walked in. He was
Speaker 1: on top of her.
Speaker 2: Luna saw me, screamed for help, and then he ran out,
Speaker 2: and Luna said that he assaulted her.
Speaker 3: And then they're like, well.
Speaker 1: Bobby told that you guys are lovers, and she goes, yeah,
Speaker 1: did he also tell you that it makes him furious.
Speaker 1: He claims that it's an hr issue, but it's really
Speaker 1: his toxic ego. He hates that I make her happy
Speaker 1: when he couldn't. This is a mess, Like this whole
Speaker 1: thing is feeling very messy right now. So now at
Speaker 1: Luna's massive loft, like the biggest loft I've ever seen
Speaker 1: on the show.
Speaker 3: Everything's white.
Speaker 1: It's like there's some color in like glass chandeliers and
Speaker 1: stuff like that. She says she didn't mention Sequoya because
Speaker 1: she wanted to protect her.
Speaker 2: She can't believe Bobby's lying about this, and Live goes, well,
Speaker 2: that's what rapists do, girl, Like come on, and like
Speaker 2: she's like, well, he knows I won't fuck up. I
Speaker 2: think Norm MacDonald when he did Comedians in Cars, he
Speaker 2: has this funny thing where he goes, you know, you'll
Speaker 2: talk to people about Bill Cosby and they say, you know,
Speaker 2: the hypocrisy is the worst part, but I think it's
Speaker 2: the rape.
Speaker 3: It's just so good, so good, so good.
Speaker 1: Okay, So but she's like, he knows I won't fuck
Speaker 1: up the IPO, and Benson's like, listen, there's no stigma
Speaker 1: in coming forward. It could be Yeah, it could be empowering,
Speaker 1: even heroic. And then she looks at Benson and she
Speaker 1: goes survival takes strength and like.
Speaker 2: A very strange yeah what I mean, like that you
Speaker 2: have this SVW detective.
Speaker 3: We learn all this and now you've been attacked.
Speaker 2: It's exactly exactly like the It's almost like setting up
Speaker 2: a scene.
Speaker 3: They're setting something up. Yeah, this this all could have
Speaker 3: just happened.
Speaker 1: And then they call SVU instead of like her meeting
Speaker 1: this woman the night that she gets raped, you know
Speaker 1: what I mean. That's where it's like tough, but also
Speaker 1: like the episode has very like a very good plot.
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna give it away right now, but like
Speaker 1: it starts now with me being like is she lying?
Speaker 1: Like I can't tell if she's lying or not because
Speaker 1: she's this actor, like her person she has such a persona,
Speaker 1: you know. So anyway, the cops walk into Frankie and
Speaker 1: Johnny's steakhouse, not a real place. Benson and Rowlins walk
Speaker 1: in and call Bobby's name and he goes in the
Speaker 1: middle of a meal here, and it's like, can you
Speaker 1: just imagine being able to act like detectives walking into
Speaker 1: a restaurant and calling you by name that you could
Speaker 1: just go, I'm eating.
Speaker 3: Can you not like?
Speaker 1: I just I feel like, even if I knew I
Speaker 1: did nothing wrong, if they walked in and they were
Speaker 1: like Kara clank, my stomach would sink into my buttthole
Speaker 1: and I would be like, I'm dead.
Speaker 3: I'm going to jail.
Speaker 1: Like these men just are like I'm eating, Like our
Speaker 1: oysters aren't here yet, What the fuck is wrong with you?
Speaker 1: But Bobby is sitting there with Melanie the COO and
Speaker 1: this other guy and we haven't met him yet, but
Speaker 1: we will. And I don't know if they're arresting him,
Speaker 1: but they say they just want to talk. Bobby spills
Speaker 1: more tea than even he'd like that he didn't even
Speaker 1: tell them before, and he's like, I didn't tell you before,
Speaker 1: but guess what she's robbing the company blind. I confronted
Speaker 1: her about it and that's why she's crying rape. And
Speaker 1: Benson's like, get your ass out of the steakhouse, and
Speaker 1: she still takes him off. So walking into cement room
Speaker 1: bars with Bobby and his lawyer Bobby goes, by the way,
Speaker 1: she's not Luna Prosada from Dairy, She's Lri was new
Speaker 1: Ski from Hackensack, and I grew up next door to
Speaker 1: that town and it is pronounced dari Anne. But also
Speaker 1: Hackensack gets a bad rap. I think it's just like
Speaker 1: it sounds gross, it sounds terrible, like it's a perfect
Speaker 1: punchline town. But like, remember his name was Carl Parsley
Speaker 1: when I met him, was doing something in Hackensack, you know,
Speaker 1: like everything is like, do you want to go back
Speaker 1: to selling piano key neckties in Hackensack? Like everything is
Speaker 1: bad about Hackensack. No offense if you're from Hackensack. And
Speaker 1: Rollins points out, well, okay, like it's not a crime
Speaker 1: to change your name, and he goes, no, that's fair enough.
Speaker 3: But it's her whole persona.
Speaker 1: It's a tell she like created her whole persona as
Speaker 1: a sales tool, and it worked until the IPO where
Speaker 1: we started finding some shit out. At first, it was
Speaker 1: just like expenses were exorbitant, spat trips for research. But
Speaker 1: then I dug deeper and she's embezzling on a massive scale,
Speaker 1: and they're like okay, but you didn't report that to
Speaker 1: the DA or the sec or mention it when we
Speaker 1: talked to you earlier. And lawyer argues, his only crime
Speaker 1: is putting the concern for his company over himself. And
Speaker 1: if this gets out, the IPO is fucked. Thousands of
Speaker 1: jobs will be gone, and she's forcing my hand. So
Speaker 1: they're like, okay, So what happened that night? He goes,
Speaker 1: I showed her my spreadsheets. I told her she could
Speaker 1: reimburse the company and we could paper it over. She
Speaker 1: responded by seducing me, taking off my clothes and getting
Speaker 1: down on her knees. Then she pulled me into He goes,
Speaker 1: like that contraption she calls a bed, and then it
Speaker 1: was her a hotel room. So I don't know that
Speaker 1: she like designed the bed, but and he goes, we
Speaker 1: were going at it when Sequoya walked in, and then
Speaker 1: Luna pushed me off and cries rape, and Carisi goes,
Speaker 1: so you're the victim here, and he goes, thank you,
Speaker 1: me and the company too. And so back at Luna's apartment,
Speaker 1: she is in this thick Fisherman sweater, okay, and she
Speaker 1: is not happy that he is making this shit up. Like,
Speaker 1: She's like, this is pathological. Maybe it's neurological. Maybe his
Speaker 1: frontal low of the shot, which I think is like
Speaker 1: a reference to but Benson was saying about how we
Speaker 1: processed trauma in our frontal lobes or whatever. Benson calmly
Speaker 1: tells her, well, Bobby says he has evidence, and she goes, well,
Speaker 1: he can't have evidence. We be well, is my child,
Speaker 1: it's my life. I don't know where I end and
Speaker 1: where it begins. And Benson goes, okay, but we do
Speaker 1: have to check out what he's saying. And she goes okay, good,
Speaker 1: and then you'll see I didn't do this, and in
Speaker 1: the meantime you'll arrest him. And Benson's like, actually, babe,
Speaker 1: the DA says we got to hold off, and Luna's like.
Speaker 2: This is psychotic. I gotta go fire him.
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, you can't have any contact with him,
Speaker 1: you can't strengthen his hand. So Luna's not feeling good
Speaker 1: right now about this RELEASEY now is talking to the
Speaker 1: chief tech officer. His name is Venet, and they're talking
Speaker 1: to him about expenses. He looks very confused and he's like,
Speaker 1: what I sign a lot of big expenditures like and
Speaker 1: Rollin's like, how about this one for eight hundred thousand
Speaker 1: dollars that actually was paid to a vendor that doesn't exist.
Speaker 1: It's a shell company and when we go after the money,
Speaker 1: it disappears into a Caribbean LLC. And the guy's like,
Speaker 1: I'm not laundering money, and he goes, it was Luna
Speaker 1: who submitted the bill, and they're like, you didn't ask
Speaker 1: what it was for six figure checks, no questions, and
Speaker 1: they're like, he goes, she made it clear it was
Speaker 1: not my concern, and he goes, she's starting a charitable foundation.
Speaker 1: She mentioned moving money around for tax purposes. She said
Speaker 1: it was all on the up and up, and she's
Speaker 1: the boss, and he goes the tech officer before me,
Speaker 1: she fired him because she didn't like the color of
Speaker 1: his aura. So he's just signing checks and watching his ass.
Speaker 1: So now they're chatting with Melanie and she is in
Speaker 1: the lab in front of a wall of beautiful bottles
Speaker 1: of potions and such. We did ask Samantha Mathis about
Speaker 1: the beautiful potion wall when we interviewed.
Speaker 3: Her episode sixty eight.
Speaker 1: As I said earlier, I did have the number correct,
Speaker 1: and she's like, wow, so Venay said, Luna's diverting funds. Well,
Speaker 1: you can't say no to Luna, and Rollins is like, well,
Speaker 1: you're the CEO, you're the COO. Isn't it your job
Speaker 1: to keep her in line? And she goes, she's the
Speaker 1: majority shareholder. The board is made up of her rich girlfriends.
Speaker 1: It's her world. And then they ask about all these
Speaker 1: checks deposit to Tisa Chi. There's eleven checks for nine
Speaker 1: thousand dollars each, and Melanie tells them that Tisa worked
Speaker 1: in creative and Luna told me they were consulting fees.
Speaker 1: So Kat and Rollins go talk to Tisa cheap and
Speaker 1: she goes, well, I left weebe well a few months ago.
Speaker 1: And they're like, but you're still consulting, right, and she
Speaker 1: goes no, I mean yes, And they're like, which is it, bitch.
Speaker 1: We've got eleven checks for nine k to you, all
Speaker 1: just below what's reportable to the IRS.
Speaker 3: That's called structuring.
Speaker 1: Again, Rollins knows a lot about financial crimes and Tisa goes, well,
Speaker 1: I signed an NDA. I can't talk about Luna or
Speaker 1: the company. And Rollins is like, you're looking at serious
Speaker 1: charges that NDIA is not going to save you, Like
Speaker 1: NDAs cannot prevent you, I think, from talking about stuff
Speaker 1: that's illegal, Like we've talked about that on this podcast,
Speaker 1: Like you aren't allowed to talk about things that you've
Speaker 1: seen or done it like a job, but you can't.
Speaker 1: It doesn't prevent you from like telling the police that
Speaker 1: you that something illegal happened. So anyway, what were those
Speaker 1: payments for? And she goes, oh, they were to keep
Speaker 1: me quiet. And she said about what and they were
Speaker 1: like about Luna sexually assaulting me?
Speaker 3: Done? Done.
Speaker 1: So now Tisa is in woodroom lines telling her story.
Speaker 1: She's like, we were at a retreat in Lake George,
Speaker 1: which is gorgeous by the way I've been. They don't
Speaker 1: usually invite her level, but Luna asked for her specifically.
Speaker 1: The second night, Luna invited her to her private cabin.
Speaker 1: I thought it was a group thing, but it was
Speaker 1: just her. She offered me tequila and then she wanted
Speaker 1: me to try out this new product, Vibrildo, which is
Speaker 1: a vibrator dildo, and she wanted me to use it
Speaker 1: on myself in front of her. It's just a bad name,
Speaker 1: that's all. I have nothing against a vibrating dildo. It's
Speaker 1: just that's a bad name, a vibrildo. She wanted to
Speaker 1: use me to use it on myself in front of her,
Speaker 1: and Tisa goes no, and then Luna was like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's try out the bondage tape and then she fully
Speaker 1: tied her up and then forced her like now that
Speaker 1: she's tied up and restrained, she used the device on
Speaker 1: her and put it inside of her, and Benson is
Speaker 1: on the other side of the fishbowl glass and she
Speaker 1: does not look pleased. So top of AAC three and
Speaker 1: Luna is in cement room bars with her defense attorney,
Speaker 1: Dara mcglauney aka friend of the pod Malsa Macar we
Speaker 1: love her. And they're subtly asking Luna about Tisa and
Speaker 1: the company retreat and her lawyer is like, cut to
Speaker 1: the chase, you said new allegations. Benson tells them straight
Speaker 1: up what Tisa's had happened, and Luna is incredulous. They
Speaker 1: show her, like the apology email that she wrote Tisa,
Speaker 1: and she goes, that sounds like me, but I never
Speaker 1: wrote that, and they're like, what about the eleven payments
Speaker 1: the nda. She goes, I've never seen any of this,
Speaker 1: Benson tells her, well, that's not what Melanie the COO says,
Speaker 1: and the lawyer's like, we need time to go over
Speaker 1: these documents, and Benson's like, yeah, you do. And so
Speaker 1: now we're in the office of Vanessa Hadid, who I
Speaker 1: would say is one of my bottom five recording characters,
Speaker 1: Like I hate Khadid, like I hate her. She's the
Speaker 1: fucking worst, even though she's not even that bad in
Speaker 1: this episode, I hate her. Hadid and Careesi are talking
Speaker 1: to the tech dude Vena, and he's like, Luna's not
Speaker 1: the easiest person to work for, but I believe in
Speaker 1: the company, like I won't damage the IPO. And they
Speaker 1: tell him, well, you're going down for fraud and money
Speaker 1: laundering and he's like, I was just doing my job.
Speaker 1: But Creasey points out traditionally that's not a great excuse
Speaker 1: for breaking the laws her, like, that's not going to
Speaker 1: work out, Like just following orders, that's not really worked
Speaker 1: out for a lot of people. Hadid's like, cough up
Speaker 1: Luna's criminal acts. Now we cut to Melanie being like
Speaker 1: an offshore LLC. Well, I'd have to dig a little bit,
Speaker 1: but I'm sure it's for tax reasons. I can tell
Speaker 1: she's up to something because she's acting a little bit
Speaker 1: too what. I'm the CEO, but I don't know what's
Speaker 1: going on. And Hidid's like, bitch, I was in white
Speaker 1: collar crimes, like this is Red Flag City and Creasey's like, yeah,
Speaker 1: offshore LLC's usually mean embezzlement, drug running, or money laundering,
Speaker 1: which kink is yours, and she's like, none of them.
Speaker 1: I tried to tell Luna it would look bad, but
Speaker 1: she stopped listening to me, and she's like, we've been
Speaker 1: friends for a long time. You know, while her star rows,
Speaker 1: her celebrity friends. She let it all go to her
Speaker 1: head and she goes like my mother used to say,
Speaker 1: you climb too fast and you wind up gasping for air.
Speaker 1: It feels like something you would embroider on a throw pillow.
Speaker 2: I guess, yeah, but it's like terrible advice, Like yeah,
Speaker 2: why would a mom say that to her kid?
Speaker 3: What does it mean?
Speaker 2: Like, don't be too successful, You're gonna be a dumb bitch,
Speaker 2: Like yeah, if you rise.
Speaker 1: To fame too quickly, you'll suffocate and die. Like yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't really know what it means. I mean yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I don't. I'm not into it. But at Luna's apartment,
Speaker 1: she's in a cozy heather gray cashmere lounge set and
Speaker 1: she's they're telling her that they have to arrest her
Speaker 1: for embezzlement, money laundering, and sexual assault. And she's like,
Speaker 1: but I didn't do any of those things. You need
Speaker 1: to help me, And Benson's like, call your lawyer and
Speaker 1: have her meet you at Central Booking, and outside of
Speaker 1: Booking there is a massive crowd of reporters, Like everybody's
Speaker 1: screaming questions at her flashbulbs. People are screaming calling her
Speaker 1: a rapist. She's putting on sunglasses. In court now, she
Speaker 1: pleads not guilty. Careesi asks for amand due to her
Speaker 1: access to resources and a private jet, and her lawyer
Speaker 1: argues that, I mean, she is a potential rape victim.
Speaker 1: I just don't think asking for remand is like a
Speaker 1: good idea. But her lawyer argues, she won't flee, like
Speaker 1: you could give her an inkle monitor, do you know
Speaker 1: what I mean? Her lawyer argues, she won't flee, she
Speaker 1: wants to stay and fight these ridiculous charges, and the
Speaker 1: judge goes, well, we take sexual assault very seriously, and
Speaker 1: bail is denied and Luna's like, you can't do this
Speaker 1: to me. There's been a horrible mistake. And when the
Speaker 1: uniformed officers try to take her away, she's like, don't
Speaker 1: touch me. She's like actually freaking out and like you
Speaker 1: can see feel like a meltdown building in her.
Speaker 3: So now it's ladies night inside the precinct.
Speaker 1: Rollins, Benson and to me and are talking about how
Speaker 1: the media love tearing Luna to shreds. They're like, they're
Speaker 1: not even giving her the grace they would give a
Speaker 1: male serial predator right now.
Speaker 3: And Rollins is like, yeah, you know.
Speaker 1: And Rollins, who's not into Luna's entire thing, like her
Speaker 1: entire wellness bullshit, is like, I still don't get why
Speaker 1: you would make up a rape allegation when you had
Speaker 1: all this to hide. It's kind of like when we
Speaker 1: say why are you going on The Real Housewives when
Speaker 1: you're committing elder abuse and fraud? Like you know what
Speaker 1: I mean, Like you have these illegal things you've been
Speaker 1: doing and you're putting yourself in the spotlight.
Speaker 3: It does don't really make sense.
Speaker 1: And Benson's like, well, I'm not so sure that part
Speaker 1: was made up, and Benson's like, none of this makes
Speaker 1: sense to me. Meanwhile, on the TV, Bobby, Melanie, and
Speaker 1: Bennet are like seated in a row at a press
Speaker 1: briefing announcing that Luna is out as the CEO and
Speaker 1: Melanie is taking her place, and Bobby is taking the
Speaker 1: time to say, even though Luna made these false allegations
Speaker 1: against me, I'm going to fight for we be well,
Speaker 1: and it's going to be smooth sailing from now on,
Speaker 1: just so everybody knows. Benson gets a call that Luna
Speaker 1: wants to talk. Now they're at at the jail, the prison.
Speaker 1: I don't really know the difference. I don't know the
Speaker 1: difference here, and Luna's in an orange jumpsuit and is
Speaker 1: describing how she was assaulted by the inmates at the prison,
Speaker 1: how they held her. Now, yeah, they held her down
Speaker 1: and said now you can feel like what getting raped
Speaker 1: by a woman feels like. And she looks like terrified,
Speaker 1: and she goes but maybe they were right, like maybe
Speaker 1: I'm guilty. There's no other explanation, and they're like, so
Speaker 1: you're changing your plea and the lawyer goes against my advice,
Speaker 1: and she like, I just can't go through a trial.
Speaker 3: I want this to be over.
Speaker 1: And so they're like, are you saying that you did
Speaker 1: embezzle from we be Well and that you assaulted Tisa?
Speaker 1: And she goes, I'm saying, I can't remember. Like at first,
Speaker 1: I thought they're setting me up, but then I read
Speaker 1: your emails and your documents and it sounds like me,
Speaker 1: and it's got to be me.
Speaker 2: Increase. He's like, okay, you, but.
Speaker 1: If you're gonna change your plead it guilty, you gotta
Speaker 1: admit guilt. And she goes, so I have to swear
Speaker 1: to crimes that I don't remember and have no awareness of.
Speaker 1: And she's having a full break down. She goes, have
Speaker 1: I lost my mind? I've got to be crazy. That's
Speaker 1: the only thing that makes any sense. And then she
Speaker 1: starts cackling. She lets out this weird scream. Everyone at
Speaker 1: the table looks disturbed. She says, as a woman, I
Speaker 1: always thought I gotta be strong. I can get on
Speaker 1: top of things. I can take control. I've always been
Speaker 1: about empowering women. We can overcome we're women, we're women.
Speaker 1: I can't overcome this. I feel like I've been betrayed
Speaker 1: by my mind. I think I'm going insane, and then
Speaker 1: she slams on the table. Benson's like, Okay, we got
Speaker 1: to get this bitch to a doctor. Luna's maniacally laughing
Speaker 1: sobbing alternately alternately. As they lead her out of the room,
Speaker 1: Cariesie wonders if she's going for a site defense and
Speaker 1: Benson goes, no, I think she's trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what the fuck is going on here. She spent her
Speaker 1: entire career empowering women and now she falls apart like
Speaker 1: either she has got a split personality, which Carisi goes
Speaker 1: not likely, or her employees are framing her and she's
Speaker 1: going nuts because she's being gaslighted. So this is very
Speaker 1: interesting to me because this episode really does explain what
Speaker 1: gaslating is. Benson walks into her office and tells Kat
Speaker 1: that Luna's still under observation in the psyche word. Kat
Speaker 1: may have found something to this conspiracy theory. She dug
Speaker 1: up the info on the corporate retreat in Lake George,
Speaker 1: and she confirms that Luna was in a suite with Sequoia,
Speaker 1: not in a cabin. There are also zero texts or
Speaker 1: calls between Luna and Tisa the entire time or maybe
Speaker 1: ever and there's tons between Tisa and Venay. The tech
Speaker 1: CEO Rollins goes, I've been going through the emails and
Speaker 1: a lot of them sound like Luna, but some of
Speaker 1: them have phrases that are more male and aggressive then
Speaker 1: Luna's ide elect and I'm like, back in, this is
Speaker 1: what I was saying, Like, well, we talked about this
Speaker 1: on a Patreon, but like back in the day they
Speaker 1: would bring in an expert on language to like analyze
Speaker 1: these emails, and now they're like, I don't think we
Speaker 1: have time to shoot that, and we don't have the
Speaker 1: money to pay somebody to have like an under five here,
Speaker 1: so let's just bring in Rollin's and make her an
Speaker 1: expert in dialect and like language.
Speaker 2: Well, they're also trying to like set up this smart
Speaker 2: like that she's like smart. Yeah, like that she's along right,
Speaker 2: and that's she's not smart, but she is smart. But
Speaker 2: for her to be really good at tech, no financial crimes,
Speaker 2: no the mind of a serial killer, Like she knows psychology,
Speaker 2: she also knows like dialect and like linguistics.
Speaker 3: It's just very confusing to me.
Speaker 1: Plus all her sports knowledge, it's just like too much
Speaker 1: to be in one woman's head and she shows all
Speaker 1: these emails and there's these phrases where she says where
Speaker 1: like there's phrases like keep my powder dry. Cut to
Speaker 1: the chase red Ocean, and Cat's like, what's red ocean?
Speaker 1: And it reminds me of the phrase blue sky, which
Speaker 1: is of very like people are always like in a
Speaker 1: blue sky world. It is like a thing I learned
Speaker 1: from like bosses, when I worked in more corporate environments,
Speaker 1: I would always say, Okay, what's the blue sky here? Like,
Speaker 1: so red ohen like, you're I think your perfect vision,
Speaker 1: like in your perfect vision, like in the perfect version
Speaker 1: of this, and red Ocehit I think is.
Speaker 3: Like rough waters, like not good. This is not looking good.
Speaker 1: And so he's realiss like it's an MBA phrase and
Speaker 1: he uses it a lot.
Speaker 3: Bobby uses it a lot.
Speaker 2: So this is all pointing back to Bobby now and
Speaker 2: they're like, but it's still not enough.
Speaker 1: It's just an alternate theory, and Hadid is going to
Speaker 1: fucking hate it. Cut to Hadeid hating it, and she's like,
Speaker 1: this is just insanely elaborate, like can't Luna just be great?
Speaker 1: Crazy and guilty, and Benson points out. Listen, bitch guilty.
Speaker 1: People mitigate, they deny, they blame others, they don't blame themselves,
Speaker 1: and think they're losing their mind. Cariese confirms that Luna's
Speaker 1: not faking this, and Hideed says, well, we're.
Speaker 2: Not dropping the charges. In fact, we're moving forward with
Speaker 2: the prosecution prep all four accuses for grand jury and
Speaker 2: Cariese's like, why so they nail down their stories and
Speaker 2: get immunity, And Hadid's like, well, if they're gonna lie,
Speaker 2: I want them on the record right now.
Speaker 1: They think they've gotten away with it, let's not tip
Speaker 1: our hand. Basically, so Benson's on board. She's like, okay,
Speaker 1: let's start with Tisa. There's no way she's the mastermind
Speaker 1: behind all this. So now Hadid and CARESI.
Speaker 2: Wow, she got nothing from the Women's Empowerment Yeah, conference.
Speaker 1: So yeah, why couldn't any woman be a mastermind? You
Speaker 1: have to say that every woman has a mastermind inside
Speaker 1: of them, even though I myself just said that there's
Speaker 1: no way Brolins has knowledge of all these very specific subjects.
Speaker 3: Now, Hadeid in Karesa.
Speaker 2: I just watched an interview with Penelope Cruz. I think
Speaker 2: she's promoting a movie that people seem to like the invite,
Speaker 2: but they were like, what's your fun hobby or think
Speaker 2: you're obsessed with that? No one would know, and she said,
Speaker 2: for the past twelve years, she reads med's school textbooks
Speaker 2: every night.
Speaker 3: Whoa, she like loves it.
Speaker 2: She's like, I'm reading about the endocrine system right now.
Speaker 3: She's just like she just loves it. And she just
Speaker 3: reads medical textbooks every night.
Speaker 1: Wow, Penelope Cruz pre met love it. So now Hadida
Speaker 1: and CARIESI have Tissa in an empty courtroom prepping her.
Speaker 1: She seems extremely nervous. She's hesitant when they say, wow, yeah,
Speaker 1: Luna could go to prison for years, and she's like, wow, years, okay,
Speaker 1: and then they ask her to say what happened, but
Speaker 1: they bump on the cabin thing. They're like, here's the problem, babe,
Speaker 1: the cabin. She never had a cabin and she's like, oh, okay. Well,
Speaker 1: well then they're like, well, how were you invited there?
Speaker 1: They're like, well, she called me and they're like that's
Speaker 1: weird too, babe. There's no record of her calling you.
Speaker 1: And she's like, oh, she texts it. Yeah, there's zero
Speaker 1: text between you two but we also checked your phone
Speaker 1: and there are no text with Luna, but a ton
Speaker 1: with Venet. She's like, we're coworkers. It's like, do you
Speaker 1: call your other coworkers at two am? So if you
Speaker 1: tell this story to the granjury, you'll be looking at
Speaker 1: seven years for perjury. And Cariese's like, I think you're
Speaker 1: a good who maybe got talked to saying some shit
Speaker 1: that you know is wrong. She starts crying, immediately spills
Speaker 1: and she goes, that's right. It wasn't my idea, it
Speaker 1: was Vene. He said, wouldn't go to trial. He said
Speaker 1: Luna was crazy and that we needed to save the company.
Speaker 1: So now I mean still like a pretty fucked up Uh.
Speaker 1: To save the company, I just need you to pretend
Speaker 1: you were raped by the boss.
Speaker 3: Like that's a little wild.
Speaker 1: But now talking to Luna in the psych word with
Speaker 1: her lawyer and they're like, so you're telling me Tissa
Speaker 1: admitted that she made it up because she was having
Speaker 1: an affair with Vena and he talked her into it.
Speaker 1: And Venet is denying it, they said, and Miglannie the
Speaker 1: lawyer is like, so what's going on here? And Benson
Speaker 1: drops the bomb that they think that Vnay, Bobby, and
Speaker 1: Melanie have all been conspiring to frame Luna for embezzlement
Speaker 1: and assault. She's like, so I never wrote the emails
Speaker 1: and they're like, yeah, we're assuming Venet accessed your account.
Speaker 1: So she goes my passwords would be very hard to hack.
Speaker 1: They're very complicated, and Rollins goes first pet and the
Speaker 1: street you grew up on, and Luna's like, fuck, but
Speaker 1: also so it includes my home phone number from when
Speaker 1: I was a kid, and that was onlisted. Only a
Speaker 1: few friends knew it, and she's realizing, and then she
Speaker 1: goes Pinky and they're like, who the fuck is Pinky?
Speaker 1: And she's like, Pinky is Melanie's nickname from when we
Speaker 1: were kids. We went to summer camp together. And they're like,
Speaker 1: why didn't you mention that. She's like, it was a
Speaker 1: lifetime ago. I'm not Lauri from Hackensack anymore. I evolved
Speaker 1: and they're like, is it possible that you evolved but
Speaker 1: Melanie didn't. So now we've got Melanie and cement room
Speaker 1: bars and she's going, oh, yeah, I mean Luna and
Speaker 1: I were friends a long time ago. That doesn't mean
Speaker 1: I hacked her talked to Ana, and they're like, oh, well,
Speaker 1: we're talking to him and his girlfriend, Tisa, and Melanie's like,
Speaker 1: Tisa is his girlfriend, he's married, Like, I'm really not
Speaker 1: buying her shit. But then they go, well, maybe that's
Speaker 1: why Tisa gave him up. She didn't want to go
Speaker 1: down for a fake rape accusation that you guys pressured
Speaker 1: her into. And Melanie denies it. She's like, and her
Speaker 1: lawyer goes, what exactly do you have on my client?
Speaker 1: And Benson explains the conspiracy with Bobby and Benata frame
Speaker 1: Luna and to rape her, and Melanie goes, no, that
Speaker 1: was never part of the plan, and Crisy said, well,
Speaker 1: if you help plan a rape, you're just as guilty
Speaker 1: as the rapist, and her lawyer whispers something in her ear,
Speaker 1: and then she goes, Bobby told me that never happened
Speaker 1: and that Luna made it up. But when I saw
Speaker 1: the results of the rape kit, he said it was consensual.
Speaker 1: Melanie's basically like fucking Bobby. He never got over Luna
Speaker 1: dumping his ass. And she said, I had nothing to
Speaker 1: do with the rape. Everything else was to protect the company.
Speaker 1: We knew she was going to drive us off a
Speaker 1: Cliff with an HR lawsuit the FDA. She has no boundaries.
Speaker 1: It's all about her all the time. Have Bobby and
Speaker 1: Vana cooperated yet? And the lawyer asks, and he goes.
Speaker 1: So we get the cheese, and Carisy goes the whole wheel,
Speaker 1: and Benson says to Melanie, he has to cut you
Speaker 1: a deal.
Speaker 2: But if it were up to me, how could you
Speaker 2: do that to another woman? And she goes, she spent
Speaker 2: her whole life doing that to other women. We didn't
Speaker 2: have a lot growing up, and one Christmas, my father
Speaker 2: got me a gold heart necklace. I knew I shouldn't,
Speaker 2: but I wore it to camp and then one day
Speaker 2: it disappeared.
Speaker 3: I was wrecked.
Speaker 1: Was just obviously reminded me of an actual kleptomaniac that
Speaker 1: we had at our camp who stole everybody's everything and
Speaker 1: we found it all rolled up in her tent flaps
Speaker 1: at the end of the summer.
Speaker 3: Anyway, the next summer, she goes, I was wrecked.
Speaker 1: I lied to my parents and said I was like
Speaker 1: over it, but I was so heartbroken that I lost
Speaker 1: the necklace. And the next summer who shows up wearing
Speaker 1: the necklace but Lorie. She denied it. She said it
Speaker 1: was hers, but that she could that I could borrow
Speaker 1: it sometime. So she spent her entire life doing this
Speaker 1: to me, stealing what's mine and then acting gracious and
Speaker 1: letting me have just a little bit back. It's a
Speaker 1: crazy kind of gaslighting. And Benson goes, so you gaslighted
Speaker 1: her right back? We be, well, was my idea? I
Speaker 1: made the business plan. Luna is gorgeous, charming, radiant. I
Speaker 1: just wanted her to say she was sorry. I just
Speaker 1: wanted her to give me my necklace back. So wee
Speaker 1: b well, was your idea, they say, But whose idea
Speaker 1: was it to take it back from Luna?
Speaker 3: Okay?
Speaker 1: Cut to Bobby, and I do keep accidentally writing Booby
Speaker 1: when I'm writing his name, and I kind of think
Speaker 1: of bits.
Speaker 2: Also sitting at a dinner with investors, and he's telling
Speaker 2: them it's going to be a blue ocean. Everyone a
Speaker 2: blue oce, and Luna was the problem, and removing her
Speaker 2: front was the action.
Speaker 3: The success is the result. Calm blue ocean now.
Speaker 1: And Rollins and Timine approach to arrest him, and he
Speaker 1: wants to call his lawyer, and Ronin goes, keep your
Speaker 1: powder dry. You can call her on the way downtown.
Speaker 1: So now we're at Luna's apartment and Benson is explaining
Speaker 1: that Bobby took a plea he'll do seven years, been
Speaker 1: a will do five And she goes and my old
Speaker 1: friend Melanie, And Benson goes, there was no case without her.
Speaker 1: So she walks and you know, for the men, it
Speaker 1: was just about the money, but for her, and Luna goes,
Speaker 1: I could have been a better friend. I've been thinking
Speaker 1: about it. When you arrested me, I thought it was karma.
Speaker 1: I've burned a lot of bridges. Hell, I burned my
Speaker 1: whole house down, and Benson goes, well, you know what
Speaker 1: happens when your house burns down. You get a clear
Speaker 1: view of the sky, and Luna like smiles at her
Speaker 1: with that same kind of like showman smile that she
Speaker 1: had during the conference at the beginning, and goes, you
Speaker 1: mind if I steal that, and then they just kind
Speaker 1: of look at each other and that's dick o.
Speaker 3: Baby learned nothing.
Speaker 1: Yeah, but I mean it is like this is one
Speaker 1: of the most interesting like episodes about gaslighting. They literally
Speaker 1: just gaslight her ass until she literally almost went crazy,
Speaker 1: but also their antics also they this man raped her
Speaker 1: and then the antics got her sent to prison where
Speaker 1: she was sexually assaulted again. So I think the they
Speaker 1: went much too far.
Speaker 3: But yeah, this episode is wild.
Speaker 2: It's a good one. Yeah, yes, for you just killing
Speaker 2: it non stop, non stop. But to be like everything's
Speaker 2: byve take from people like need to be a better
Speaker 2: friend and then then go.
Speaker 3: Mind if I steal that.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you kind of wonder if she's good, if she's
Speaker 1: learned anything.
Speaker 3: I mean, she's gonna have elet trauma.
Speaker 2: Right, she's been raped a few times and gas lip
Speaker 2: by everyone around her.
Speaker 3: She'll probably never trust anyone, to.
Speaker 2: Trust anyone again.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it's like insane. It's a good hypnotherapist.
Speaker 2: So this is the Simona Samasar and Jerry ram Rattan case,
Speaker 2: which reminds me of what is it?
Speaker 3: What's the racketan? Oh? Racketin? Is that what it is?
Speaker 2: But what is that material where it's like a material
Speaker 2: in between the wood? I don't know, Oh oh, oh Rattan. Rattan,
Speaker 2: yeaht Racketan is like a website, website where you can
Speaker 2: like pay for like where you can get money for
Speaker 2: shopping or something. Yeah, Rattan, that's not his name, but
Speaker 2: I kept thinking about it. Ramarratan so Simona and Jerry.
Speaker 2: So Jerry raped Simona and then framed her for a
Speaker 2: series of crimes that never took place, which landed her
Speaker 2: in jail for seven months.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, it's crazy.
Speaker 2: So Simona owned a restaurant and ram Ratan first entered
Speaker 2: in two thousand and six and introduce himself as a
Speaker 2: detective for the Brooklyn DA's office. He had a gun, badge,
Speaker 2: bull approofvests, handcuffs like, he had all this stuff. And
Speaker 2: then he had a friend like called George Tara at
Speaker 2: the Brooklyn DIA's office, and he introduced him like, oh,
Speaker 2: that's my boss, and he acted like a regular whenever
Speaker 2: she brought him there. And she did hear George and
Speaker 2: Jerry talk about under cover jobs in Sunset Park at
Speaker 2: the Sweet Cherry Strip club, and she would drop him
Speaker 2: off at like various precincts, and half of his phone
Speaker 2: book was other cops, you know, but he was just
Speaker 2: kind of pretending to work with them.
Speaker 3: He was not a cop.
Speaker 2: He had a prior robbery conviction and then became a
Speaker 2: longtime confidential informant for the law enforcement and he did
Speaker 2: paid and not paid work for them, so he did
Speaker 2: know them. He was a regular, but he was not
Speaker 2: a cop, not a detective, nothing. He did some like
Speaker 2: PI work, but he's just a fucking informant because he
Speaker 2: got caught. She was a single mother and former Morgan
Speaker 2: Stanley analyst, and she was charmed by him, even though
Speaker 2: she did sense something was up right.
Speaker 3: She's like, something's not ripe, but what are you gonna do?
Speaker 3: Sometimes they dated. They dated.
Speaker 2: He would carry her a gun around and would show
Speaker 2: up to her home and invite it to family functions.
Speaker 3: Weird.
Speaker 2: He also lied and said he was from Guyana like her,
Speaker 2: but he was really from Trinidad. So there were bad vibes.
Speaker 2: But they still dated. And then March eighth, two thousand
Speaker 2: and nine, he was at her house. They got into
Speaker 2: a dispute and she demanded that he leave, so instead
Speaker 2: he taped her mouth shut with duct tape, dragged her
Speaker 2: into the basement, and raped her. He then held her
Speaker 2: captive for hours, and during that time he ordered Chinese food,
Speaker 2: watched TV, put a gun to his own head.
Speaker 3: And this was like even.
Speaker 2: Before raping her, so like taped her, kept her up,
Speaker 2: you know, captive, did all these weird things and then
Speaker 2: raped her, and then Oxygen Network reported that she's quoted
Speaker 2: explaining her attack like I'm trying to fight him off,
Speaker 2: but I can't and I can't breathe, and I really
Speaker 2: felt like I was going to pass out. Then after
Speaker 2: his rape, he starts to cry and apologize and said,
Speaker 2: I'm so sorry. I never meant for this to happen,
Speaker 2: And that's what the New York Times. Then he left Simona,
Speaker 2: and then she showered, made a cup of tea and
Speaker 2: called nine to one to one and in the in
Speaker 2: the nine one one recording, and they played that in court.
Speaker 2: You could tell she was like her voice was hoarse,
Speaker 2: she was faint and agitated. He then did turn himself
Speaker 2: in after the police issued a warrant for his arrest,
Speaker 2: but he was free on bond.
Speaker 3: Remember that.
Speaker 2: So then when she refused to drop the rape charges
Speaker 2: against him, he decided to concoct an elaborate frame up
Speaker 2: with his skills as a former you know, private detective
Speaker 2: or whatnot, whatever his job was. So the New York
Speaker 2: Times calls it straight out of a Law and Order episode,
Speaker 2: but he said he used CSI for his inspiration. So
Speaker 2: he did watch a lot of CSI and procedurals. And
Speaker 2: so a little more than a year after she accused
Speaker 2: Ramartan of rape, she was pulled over by police and
Speaker 2: handcuffed and thrown in jail. Her bail was set at
Speaker 2: one million dollars what and she couldn't afford it, so
Speaker 2: she remained in jail. So he got like fucking bond
Speaker 2: and bail for his rape. He had rape charges. Let
Speaker 2: they let his ass out. She yeah, hers was one
Speaker 2: million dollar bail, But what's the charge? They don't and
Speaker 2: she doesn't know. No, no, I'll get into it. Oh,
Speaker 2: I'll definitely get into all of that. And so and
Speaker 2: with she had an iron clad alibi. So basically he
Speaker 2: like set her up as all of these robberies and
Speaker 2: paid witnesses to say that she did it and that
Speaker 2: she was dressed as a cop and came to their
Speaker 2: door and then robbed them. And so she paid off
Speaker 2: three people to do this. But she had an iron
Speaker 2: clad alibi. So one of these bogus robberies they tried
Speaker 2: to get her on she was at a casino. There's
Speaker 2: security footage at Mohegan's son where she's there. But they
Speaker 2: were like, oh, it's blurry, so that's not nothing kept
Speaker 2: her in jail.
Speaker 3: She didn't see her daughter for seven months. Her mother
Speaker 3: got sick.
Speaker 2: During this time, her house went into foreclosure, she lost
Speaker 2: her business. So he walked free after raping her, and
Speaker 2: she sits in jail and she's like all hope was lost.
Speaker 2: But then one of the people, like an informant, went
Speaker 2: to the police and explained that the alleged crimes never
Speaker 2: took place. So basically, during the trial, these three witnesses
Speaker 2: testified that he staged fake crime scenes and convinced them
Speaker 2: to make false reports to the police that Sumasar had
Speaker 2: impersonated a policewoman and robbed them at gunpoint. He showed
Speaker 2: them photos of her so they could pick her out
Speaker 2: from a lineup. And then Ramarton pled not guilty to
Speaker 2: all charges, tons of charges, rape, perjury, conspiracy, faced more
Speaker 2: than twenty five years in prison. And then boy mameler
Speaker 2: Shirley Ramarton told The New York Times, my son is innocent.
Speaker 2: Women like him, women like him too much. It's all
Speaker 2: about jealousy, clearly, clearly, yeah. But there was physical evidence
Speaker 2: and an expert from the NYPDESFI that a fingerprint was
Speaker 2: found on duct tape in her house. Following the attack,
Speaker 2: and then November twenty eleven, she took the stand at
Speaker 2: the State Supreme Court in Queens and while she testified,
Speaker 2: this guy was muttering under his breath and smirking and
Speaker 2: like she's wiping away tears. She's so upset, and he's like,
Speaker 2: doesn't give a fuck, He's so cocky. And then the
Speaker 2: jury deliberated for a day and a half. They found
Speaker 2: him guilty on more than ten charges. Yes, yeah, So
Speaker 2: during her impact statement, she called him a sociopath, according
Speaker 2: to CBS News, and said he was a sinister manipulator,
Speaker 2: diabolical coniver, and an evil and vindictive schemer. You made
Speaker 2: sure I was left with nothing when you were done,
Speaker 2: because you're evil. I don't even have words for you.
Speaker 2: I know that you're pure evil and you're a sociopath
Speaker 2: and you need help. So he was found guilty on rape, perjury, conspiracy,
Speaker 2: tampering with a witness, falsely reporting an incident. He was
Speaker 2: sentenced on January fourth of the following year to the
Speaker 2: max thirty two years behind bars.
Speaker 3: All right, and.
Speaker 2: Then after being sentenced, according to the New York Post, boo,
Speaker 2: but he said he's not done with her yet, I'm
Speaker 2: not done.
Speaker 3: I'm not done, they say.
Speaker 2: He raged inside the queen Court, like in the in
Speaker 2: the court at room, he said this like in Queen's
Speaker 2: coming down to screaming, and then a New York prosecutor
Speaker 2: is quoted in CNN saying that it was one of
Speaker 2: the most bizarre cases his office has ever seen. He
Speaker 2: gave an exclusive jailhouse interview to ABC seven News in
Speaker 2: January twenty twelve and said, if I'm a schemer and
Speaker 2: a liar, why did they allow me to do all
Speaker 2: these those cases? Then it's like, honey, do you think
Speaker 2: the cops have any morals? Like are you out of
Speaker 2: your mind? It's like so crazy. If I'm a schemer
Speaker 2: and a liar, why would the police even work with
Speaker 2: me and put me on those cases? And it's like
Speaker 2: they're using you because they knew you were a criminal, Yeah,
Speaker 2: and you owed them, so whatever. Other and then other
Speaker 2: people were charged in the scheme to frame the innocent
Speaker 2: woman as well, So good Terrell Laval and Loz Johnson
Speaker 2: were charged with perjury. The third person I couldn't find
Speaker 2: their name, but like all three were charged in like
Speaker 2: helping the scheme. And then Sumasar did sue the NYPD
Speaker 2: after losing her home and job and time with her daughter,
Speaker 2: and so the city settled for an undisclosed amount, and like,
Speaker 2: the defendants settled their claims for two million dollars, so
Speaker 2: she got two million? Yeah, but then what's the undisclosed? Like,
Speaker 2: I don't really understand what, so I guess two million?
Speaker 1: Oh the maybe it's the county gave like versus the
Speaker 1: city versus like what NYPD gave her.
Speaker 2: Oh yeah, so the county gave her two million and
Speaker 2: then undisclosed for them.
Speaker 1: But I hope the NYPD gave her like another five
Speaker 1: She fucking deserves all of it.
Speaker 3: That's yeah, fucking awful.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I just hope her and her daughter are living, Like,
Speaker 1: did you find the uniform that she wore for fake?
Speaker 1: Do you have any pictures like besides these random three
Speaker 1: people that came out of the woodwork and said, oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: she did this, like I don't know.
Speaker 2: It's weird, and it was, and she had an alibi,
Speaker 2: so it's like, what the fuck?
Speaker 1: Yeah, Moleaguan Sun too, I've been there. Damn Well, thanks
Speaker 1: for hooking into this one. I didn't know about this case.
Speaker 1: This is why, but.
Speaker 2: It is it's so wild and that's why, like you
Speaker 2: think about us to you and all this, and it's like, yeah,
Speaker 2: it's real life. And for those seven months he probably
Speaker 2: thought he was like such a fucking genius that he was,
Speaker 2: like I framed her, I did it. She's out of
Speaker 2: my life, like I beat this rape charge and I
Speaker 2: framed her, Like oh my god, wow, I'm so I
Speaker 2: hope that guy fucking rots.
Speaker 1: All right, well, we have an incredible interview coming up,
Speaker 1: so don't go anywhere, okay. Our guest today is an
Speaker 1: actor who has worked predominantly in film. She's had main
Speaker 1: roles in movies like Man on Fire, Silent Hill, High Art, Olympus,
Speaker 1: Has Fallen and many others. But you know her today
Speaker 1: as the morally dubious wellness brand SHEEO Luna Prasada. Please
Speaker 1: enjoy our chat with the wonderful Roder Mitchell.
Speaker 3: Was this an offer? I'm assuming they just came.
Speaker 5: To you, you know they did. And I was in
Speaker 5: Australia and I had just finally booked a holiday to
Speaker 5: Byron Bay. And to be honest, like I said, I'm
Speaker 5: sort of out of like what is going on? So
Speaker 5: my manager had passed away this is my manager I
Speaker 5: had had for many, many years, and I was in
Speaker 5: this new relationship with the new manager, like very recently,
Speaker 5: and they rang and they said, well, there's this opportunity.
Speaker 5: Do you want to go like tomorrow is.
Speaker 2: That New York?
Speaker 5: And you're gonna hate this. I was like no. I
Speaker 5: was thinking, no, you're gonna hate this. But I was like, well,
Speaker 5: if they'll double the money, Oh my god, this is
Speaker 5: so honest. And then he did. I was like, my god,
Speaker 5: what a great manager.
Speaker 3: Yeah, do ask for what you want.
Speaker 5: But then I was on the plane like the next day.
Speaker 5: So that was the holiday gone, and I was on
Speaker 5: set like upon landing, like I went to costume for
Speaker 5: like twenty minutes, and then I was in that courtroom
Speaker 5: scene by a boom, and I was like, inventing this
Speaker 5: character on the fly, And I think you have like
Speaker 5: a week to shoot. I don't know, has anyone confirmed that?
Speaker 3: Yeah, usually it's like day something.
Speaker 5: Yeah. So I got into the hotel room, of course,
Speaker 5: and I was totally jet lagged. But it also gave
Speaker 5: me the opportunity to just sit there and like, you know,
Speaker 5: watch talk show hosts and get a sense of you know,
Speaker 5: the character could be so I was sort of inventing
Speaker 5: it as it was happening, and I think I made
Speaker 5: I watched it last night just to get on doing that.
Speaker 2: A lot of people come on and are like, I
Speaker 2: don't remember anything really and I haven't seen any years
Speaker 2: what I did.
Speaker 5: And then I watched to see if it was a
Speaker 5: popular episode, and it was like, no, not, but I
Speaker 5: thought it was. You know. I think I made some bold,
Speaker 5: broad choices which I had to sort of make quickly,
Speaker 5: and I just went for it and that's the results
Speaker 5: of it.
Speaker 2: Now we love this episode because it also after watching
Speaker 2: so many svus, you can kind of get what's happening,
Speaker 2: and this one was surprising and shocking throughout the whole thing.
Speaker 3: Like when you read the script, was it.
Speaker 5: Yeah, you know what? And I was so out of it,
Speaker 5: like you're gonna again, You're gonna be so we're gonna
Speaker 5: love it. I was like, this is so zeitgeisty. Oh
Speaker 5: my god, it's so like on the moment because it
Speaker 5: was a whole me too moment, and and then I
Speaker 5: didn't realize that, yeah, twenty years of the show, it's
Speaker 5: always about a rape, Like that whole point of this show.
Speaker 5: It's always about like these kinds of issues. So that
Speaker 5: was like, oh, I was figuring that out. But honestly,
Speaker 5: at the time we were shooting, Carvey Weinstein was on trial. Uh,
Speaker 5: Gwyneth Paltrow had put her a vagina candle out into
Speaker 5: the world, So this was all kind of the context
Speaker 5: of conversations on set and what was happening. So it
Speaker 5: seemed just like a very relevant exploration of that moment.
Speaker 5: And the character, you know, is a flawed character. In
Speaker 5: the end, she kind of reviews her own perspective on things,
Speaker 5: you know, and justice is served, thank god.
Speaker 1: But also, I think what's so cool about this episode
Speaker 1: two is the way that they use gaslighting, because I
Speaker 1: think like gaslighting was sort of coming into the consciousness
Speaker 1: as like it's obviously been around in literature and things
Speaker 1: like that for decades, but yeah, you know, with people
Speaker 1: using it more in the zeitgeist, as you say, like yeah,
Speaker 1: to really hit home like this is what it is
Speaker 1: like convincing someone that they are basically going insane, you know.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and your jet lag.
Speaker 2: Must have helped your performance, as like I was like,
Speaker 2: this woman is losing it.
Speaker 5: I just went for it. But I don't think I
Speaker 5: was planning that it just sort of like just was
Speaker 5: like happening in the scene and I like to just
Speaker 5: I actually like to be free like that.
Speaker 1: It was so like the way you were like laughing
Speaker 1: but then also would like scream randomly.
Speaker 5: Yeah, kind of crazy, like yeah fun.
Speaker 2: I thought also though that you played like the funny
Speaker 2: bits at the beginning, really funny, like just the like
Speaker 2: the character that's like it is Gwyneth Paltrow, but you're
Speaker 2: like a little bit thirstier than her, you know, like
Speaker 2: she's a little bit like because she comes from Hollywood,
Speaker 2: so she's very like you were sort of like Gwyneth
Speaker 2: Paltrow mixed with like an influencer.
Speaker 3: I would say, like, yeah, influencers are like you guys
Speaker 3: are gonna love it, you know, like just.
Speaker 5: And it was it was, it was intense. And then
Speaker 5: you know who I was also watching. You're not gonna
Speaker 5: like this either, Oprah.
Speaker 2: Oprah, Oh, we love everything that you're saying.
Speaker 5: That's cool, No, because she's a real performer, and you know,
Speaker 5: I hadn't watched a lot of Oprah before I like
Speaker 5: locked myself in that hotel room and I was like, Wow,
Speaker 5: she's amazing. But she performs and she hams it up
Speaker 5: for her audience.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and she like dictates culture, I mean book clubs,
Speaker 2: like products like to get on an Oprah list or
Speaker 2: be chosen by Oprah was a really big deal.
Speaker 5: Yeah, totally. And it's it's marketing as well.
Speaker 3: Well. We also love that she was like, well, what
Speaker 3: was the town Hackensack? We love that.
Speaker 1: Oh that her name is really laur was new Skill
Speaker 1: from Hackensack.
Speaker 2: Like that's like the funniest little detail on the writers.
Speaker 5: You know how, and certain things kind of convince you
Speaker 5: to do things like oh you think, oh yeah, oh
Speaker 5: that that fits somehow with some aspect in my life.
Speaker 5: Like my mom's also got a few different names over
Speaker 5: the years, you know, because of her spiritual journeys and
Speaker 5: other journeys. Anyway, So one of her names with all
Speaker 5: her Italian friends was Luna. I'm like, oh, Luna, Luna Persada, Okay.
Speaker 3: This is the sign, you know totally.
Speaker 5: So little things like that kind of peak one's interest. Wait,
Speaker 5: did you.
Speaker 1: Do you remember your wardrobe? Because they had you in
Speaker 1: some really beautiful clothes. I feel like, and remember like
Speaker 1: at one point you're in this like cashmir like match set, and.
Speaker 3: Then they come to basically tell you that you're under arrest.
Speaker 1: And it's very it's just like a juxtaposition of you
Speaker 1: going from like cozy comfort, huge white loft, like.
Speaker 5: The true jump suit, like you're in jail, you get
Speaker 5: of my mom like there's nothing like a cashmere jumpsuit.
Speaker 5: My mom's like eighty something and she's just entered the
Speaker 5: age carrot and I bought her a Kashmir jumpsuit and
Speaker 5: for a week she didn't take this thing off because
Speaker 5: because first thing, you feel quite like, you know, glamorous
Speaker 5: in your Kashmir. But then you're so comfortable. You know,
Speaker 5: it's like the most comfortable thing you can wear. So
Speaker 5: you're right, Yeah, to be dragged out of the cocoon.
Speaker 2: Of your cashmere or your cashmere cocoon straight to jail.
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's great to jail. And then and I think
Speaker 5: I was even Adelais being some dialogue in Yeah, that's
Speaker 5: the thing you could when you've had like two minutes
Speaker 5: to learn the script, you're allowed to improv. They give
Speaker 5: you that liberty, and normally on television they do not.
Speaker 1: That's so interesting because we've well I think we've heard
Speaker 1: more of it when it was the Maloney years.
Speaker 3: When it was.
Speaker 1: Christopher Maloney was on the show as well. Yeah, the
Speaker 1: first twelve seasons, people would say, he really doesn't like
Speaker 1: it when people improvise.
Speaker 3: He's like sticked to what's on the script.
Speaker 1: But you're in season here, so by season twenty one,
Speaker 1: they're letting people loosen up a little bit.
Speaker 6: Well, I remember, like I got dragged off and my
Speaker 6: character I, for some reason, was screaming out, this isn't justice,
Speaker 6: this is insanity, you know, as a preude to her insanity.
Speaker 3: Yet her actual insanity.
Speaker 5: But but I did a show where I was the lead,
Speaker 5: which was like I was like, wow, this is a lot,
Speaker 5: and they were sticklers for every you know, punctuation, like
Speaker 5: you really have to kind of like because it's all
Speaker 5: the timing of the edit. And you know, if there
Speaker 5: is a space where writers get, you know, the respect
Speaker 5: that deserve, it's in television more than in film, I think,
Speaker 5: because in television it's kind of they decide, they're deciding,
Speaker 5: you know, the showrunner is God really Yeah, So that's
Speaker 5: the thing because there's so many different directors. The directors
Speaker 5: are expendable. I shouldn't say that, but you know, the
Speaker 5: directors and directors are sticking it together, and then someone
Speaker 5: else is editing it and there's so many different contributors
Speaker 5: that it falls down ultimately. You know, the writers really
Speaker 5: kind of hold their ground there about what the show is. Right.
Speaker 2: You mentioned the difference between TV and movies. Do you
Speaker 2: prefer one or it's like role based?
Speaker 5: Oh yeah, role based? Yeah, you know, I should say roll,
Speaker 5: but I prefer films because there's more time, I guess,
Speaker 5: and you can and you can you can play with
Speaker 5: what's acceptable. People are looking to kind of subvert formulas,
Speaker 5: you know, that's kind of the space and you've got
Speaker 5: more time. I think television is provides kind of you know,
Speaker 5: the long format. You get involved with characters, which I
Speaker 5: think is something pretty special and there's almost something nostalgic
Speaker 5: about it, you know, like watching shows that you've watched
Speaker 5: over the years and all of that. It's something pretty special.
Speaker 5: But to act in them, like to do what Marishika
Speaker 5: is doing is almost superhuman Like to be able to
Speaker 5: do that, I don't know how she does it. Like
Speaker 5: it's a lot of it's a lot of time, but
Speaker 5: it's a lot of energy to sustain it. And I'm
Speaker 5: more of like a sprint type person. Like I can
Speaker 5: like run the hundred meters or something and then I'm like, okay,
Speaker 5: done for me, you know, just give me time to
Speaker 5: catch my breath. But that is like it's the long
Speaker 5: format is like a marathon and imagine it over twenty
Speaker 5: years or something like that.
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, I mean total focus. Yeah, they're about to
Speaker 1: start season twenty eight. It's like, really, oh that's thirty years.
Speaker 5: Incredible. And one of the things I noticed about her,
Speaker 5: aside from her talent and you know, just the way
Speaker 5: she holds that character, is how she manages her time.
Speaker 5: Like she had always fun things to do every night.
Speaker 5: I was like, how does she have the energy for it?
Speaker 5: And secondly she's so organized, you know. So that was
Speaker 5: another impressive thing. And that's something you really do have
Speaker 5: to protect if you're going to commit two sets sort
Speaker 5: of long format thing is to protect your personal time.
Speaker 3: But it's important as artists.
Speaker 2: I feel sometimes with work it's like you got to work, work, work,
Speaker 2: but like people should go to.
Speaker 3: Dinner and go to plays and enjoy things that feed.
Speaker 5: It feeds you, It feeds you, but you can be
Speaker 5: so exhausted by I mean, imagine that a one woman show.
Speaker 5: You could be exhausted by the end of that and
Speaker 5: just go crash out and catch your z's. But I
Speaker 5: think the inspiration comes from maintaining you know, your own
Speaker 5: saying you know and what happens in the real world
Speaker 5: like inspires every day. I guess you can inspire what
Speaker 5: you're doing on set.
Speaker 1: And you so Wait, So you were on Neighbors in
Speaker 1: the mid nineties and I spent the summer in Ireland
Speaker 1: of nineteen ninety two. Were you on Neighbors then? Because
Speaker 1: I was watching I was watching Neighbors religiously as a
Speaker 1: as an eleven year old that.
Speaker 5: That show is probably being going on even longer, Right
Speaker 5: when did it?
Speaker 3: Oh?
Speaker 5: Yeah, it's the longest running show in Australia. They canceled
Speaker 5: it finally after I don't know how much, a long
Speaker 5: long time, and then they brought it back a year later.
Speaker 5: So I think they're still shooting Neighbors. This is after
Speaker 5: they made a big deal of like this is the
Speaker 5: final episode. We tried to get everybody back, like everybody
Speaker 5: who's ever acted in Australia has been on Neighbors at
Speaker 5: some point.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we got this nine thousand, three hundred episodes.
Speaker 3: Nine eight hundred episodes, three hundred and sixty three episodes.
Speaker 5: Oh my Godkay, So it was a nightly show, so
Speaker 5: it went.
Speaker 3: On every every night. Oh my gosh.
Speaker 5: And you understand it was like more popular in England
Speaker 5: even than in Australia.
Speaker 2: Like these, yeah, that's why I was watching it in
Speaker 2: Ireland and they were all like, we love this show,
Speaker 2: like it was this big thing. And then my whole
Speaker 2: life anytime I was like eleven years old and living
Speaker 2: on a farm in Ireland and was loving this show Neighbors,
Speaker 2: and then any time I ever heard of, like when
Speaker 2: Nicole Kidman came into my consciousness, for example, they were
Speaker 2: like she was on Neighbors, Like everyone was, that's so cool.
Speaker 5: I love what's his name, Chris Worth? Yeah, like Kyli
Speaker 5: Minogue of course.
Speaker 3: Oh yeah.
Speaker 1: IMDb has this tidbit about you, and I don't know
Speaker 1: if it's correct or not because there's a lot of
Speaker 1: garbage on the Internet, but it says that this fact
Speaker 1: about you is that Sir mac Jagger persuaded French customs
Speaker 1: to officials to let you into France to attend the
Speaker 1: can Film Festival because you forgot to bring your visa.
Speaker 5: I didn't forget excuse me, I did not.
Speaker 3: I'm courting IMDb. I'm courting no.
Speaker 2: No.
Speaker 5: The reality of the situation is, at that time Australians
Speaker 5: needed some sort of visa to go to France and
Speaker 5: Americans didn't. And I was going there to represent high art,
Speaker 5: I think something like that, and so whoever was putting
Speaker 5: the trip together didn't factor in that I'd need a visa,
Speaker 5: so I didn't know either. Anyway, I was somehow It's
Speaker 5: a twenty four hour flight from Melbourne to to con
Speaker 5: and you stop off somewhere. So I stopped off in London,
Speaker 5: and somehow, I think I was sitting next to someone
Speaker 5: on the plane he was like, oh, you really you
Speaker 5: don't need a visa, And I'm like what, And so
Speaker 5: then I thought, well whatever, I'll just go and see
Speaker 5: what happens. And so then I got there and they
Speaker 5: literally took me to another room and why we can't
Speaker 5: let you and you don't have this visa. And it
Speaker 5: was like a private room and there was like a
Speaker 5: couple of seats and there was like someone sitting next
Speaker 5: to me and it was Mick Jagger and he was
Speaker 5: in there like to avoid paparazzi or something. You know,
Speaker 5: in between getting on his flight, and so we had
Speaker 5: a little conversation what was going on and this film
Speaker 5: was going to screen that evening, and so he advocated
Speaker 5: on my behalf and explained in French to the customs.
Speaker 3: Of Francis.
Speaker 5: The importance of this situation, and they made a compensation
Speaker 5: and they let me in.
Speaker 3: Wow, Mick Jagger to the rescue. What a story.
Speaker 5: He's not in Shining Alm.
Speaker 2: Do you have any fun other Hollywood stories like that
Speaker 2: the top one.
Speaker 1: Yeah, You've worked with like so many huge people, Denzel Washington.
Speaker 5: It's a lot of weird Yeah, like brushes with all
Speaker 5: kinds of characters that have you know, entered the news somehow,
Speaker 5: like strange things, like wonderful things like working with amazing actors,
Speaker 5: and then weird things like you know, I had a
Speaker 5: dinner party once and someone invited, uh, this guy who
Speaker 5: was like a cult leader from like the you know
Speaker 5: that I can't remember you know where they stamped the women?
Speaker 5: Do you remember that? Yes? Yes, So there was an
Speaker 5: Australian actress, Bonnie who was a friend of a friend.
Speaker 5: She's in that documentary. Somehow her husband had directed this movie.
Speaker 5: What the bleep do we know? Or do you remember this?
Speaker 3: Yes, this is all sounding very familiar.
Speaker 5: I see, I'm just trying to remember it all. But
Speaker 5: in any case, the offset of it all was that
Speaker 5: I think the leader was at our dinner party.
Speaker 2: Keith Ornery is his name.
Speaker 5: Either him or just the guy that directed the What
Speaker 5: the bleep do we know? So anyway, so that they
Speaker 5: had called my friend later who's female, and were like
Speaker 5: trying to recruit her to you know, come and hang out.
Speaker 5: And you know, they were living in a sharehouse in
Speaker 5: Venice at the time. So that and then another weird
Speaker 5: thing happened. Sometimes if I'm not in it, Oh, I
Speaker 5: shouldn't say this, No, I'll say it. I sometimes rent
Speaker 5: my house out right if I'm not in town, and
Speaker 5: I won't say how. But anyway, in any case, there
Speaker 5: was a woman who rented it and she she was
Speaker 5: renting it like for a photo shoot or something like that,
Speaker 5: and she and I and she it turns out that
Speaker 5: she had this. Her website was the the the Armed
Speaker 5: Meditation or something like this, and uh, do you know
Speaker 5: about this? No, she was in the news as well
Speaker 5: as she was like a sex predator that she she
Speaker 5: had It was like an Orgasmic meditation group that she
Speaker 5: was running with, like she would have people in Silicon Valley,
Speaker 5: like three hundred women in a room.
Speaker 3: I've read I've read an article about this woman.
Speaker 5: Yeah, yeah, so she rented the house.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: I did not anticipate so much cult.
Speaker 5: Oh my god, in one house, right, you know what's
Speaker 5: going on. So I didn't know that obviously, but he was,
Speaker 5: you know, a time later, she was in the news
Speaker 5: for what happened. So what that's probably not the kind
Speaker 5: of story you're.
Speaker 2: Looking at, But no, that's better than our wildest dreams, aren't. Yeah.
Speaker 3: I mean it's.
Speaker 5: Very it's very Hollywood, strangely extremely Hollywood. There's just so
Speaker 5: many different kinds of characters from all parts of the world,
Speaker 5: from all walks of life, and everybody's interested in pushing
Speaker 5: pushing the culture, like what's the new idea, certainly on
Speaker 5: the West Side where I've been living, And so you
Speaker 5: just come across all kinds of characters, some of them genius,
Speaker 5: some of them just like you know, insane.
Speaker 2: Yes, she was the founder of One Taste. I just
Speaker 2: found that's it.
Speaker 1: Yeah, And I remember because it was like she did
Speaker 1: this like orgasmic meditation and she'd have all these women.
Speaker 3: In her room and yeah and yeah wow, so.
Speaker 5: Be careful, be careful what you invite.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm runting my house out in LA right now
Speaker 2: to an older couple that gardens, and I'm really hoping
Speaker 2: that they're not having some kind.
Speaker 5: Of orgast weekend. It's just for a weekend. I mean
Speaker 5: maybe maybe you'd hope they are.
Speaker 3: You know, do do you feel like you Australia?
Speaker 1: Is this like a stupid question, but like do mosta
Speaker 1: because like I was at a party once in La
Speaker 1: that my British friend, she's actually Irish, but she knows
Speaker 1: all of the British and Irish like comedians and actors.
Speaker 1: Like at this party, every single person that lived in
Speaker 1: LA that was British started walking in the door. Is
Speaker 1: it like that with Australia? Are you like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: I sort of know Naomi Watson?
Speaker 5: Yeah, sort you sort of sort of know everybody, okay,
Speaker 5: sort of No, yeah, I mean not mating each other's pockets, right,
Speaker 5: Like that was what was interesting about like swinging Safari,
Speaker 5: like it was a bunch of ex pat Australians you'd
Speaker 5: been living or with, says coming back to make a
Speaker 5: film in Australia who all kind of knew each other
Speaker 5: sort of. Yeah, so that was sort of interesting to
Speaker 5: share that experience because it is a thing like leaving,
Speaker 5: leaving the home country to you know, pursue the adventure
Speaker 5: of it all, a comeback something special. So yeah, on
Speaker 5: a career side, yeah, I've been able to work with
Speaker 5: a lot of interesting people and even recently I made
Speaker 5: a film here which was directed by a woman with
Speaker 5: kind of action film and I'm like, wow, for my
Speaker 5: fiftieth oh yeah, for my fiftieth birthday, I was this
Speaker 5: is separate story, but it was interesting. I was like
Speaker 5: really not excited about it. Was like felt this obligation
Speaker 5: to have a party and you know, do all this
Speaker 5: like be fifty bullshit, and I didn't really want to
Speaker 5: do it. And then I got a phone call saying
Speaker 5: do you want to come to London and make this
Speaker 5: action film with John Hannah? And it was all point
Speaker 5: of view and suddenly, like unexpectedly we're like running around
Speaker 5: like doing like stunts, which is just not what you
Speaker 5: expected fifty but like how great is that? And it
Speaker 5: was a great sort of like consciousness shift about paradigms
Speaker 5: and what expectations. So then after that I did another
Speaker 5: action film with Tim Roth, which is another amazing actor,
Speaker 5: directed by this woman, and this is out now, so
Speaker 5: I guess it's relevant that we discussed this seven seven Snipers.
Speaker 5: So that was a fun experience. And again, it's great
Speaker 5: to be able to work in Australia. I've been spending
Speaker 5: quite a bit of time here because it's just personal
Speaker 5: things and to be able to kind of work with
Speaker 5: people from other places as well, that that's kind of
Speaker 5: where you want to sit, where you can sort of
Speaker 5: bring things where things are from the rest of the
Speaker 5: world come to Australia and I'll plug something else.
Speaker 3: Well, well, you have a few upcoming on IMDb, so.
Speaker 5: Okay, what else about another thing? Okay, this is interesting too.
Speaker 5: So I've been sort of lucky enough over the years
Speaker 5: to work with women directors. And actually, when I just
Speaker 5: looked at the thing for Swimming with Sharks that somebody
Speaker 5: Mitchell women directed this episode. We're not cousins. That's just
Speaker 5: a coincidence. But it's interesting to work with whom because
Speaker 5: I think they bring, especially in this chapter of Life
Speaker 5: My Life, they bring a perspective where they represent women
Speaker 5: in a very authentic way without trying to kind of
Speaker 5: what I might have experienced earlier in my career was
Speaker 5: more like, you know, she's like the glamorous, so you know,
Speaker 5: she's this thing. Part of it is you've got to
Speaker 5: present a physical image, whereas I think women aren't really
Speaker 5: concerned with that as much as they are with the
Speaker 5: energy of the character. And and I think what we
Speaker 5: are creating, I guess, you know, culturally, you know our
Speaker 5: space in the world. And I think women directors are
Speaker 5: very aware of what we're putting in and what we're
Speaker 5: offering to younger women to kind of see as potential features,
Speaker 5: and you know, how we're allowed to be. So I
Speaker 5: think that it's been interesting to be in those kinds
Speaker 5: of dialogues with female directors. So that was fun with
Speaker 5: Sandra on Seven Snipers. And then this other project, which
Speaker 5: is interesting, directed by a woman who hasn't directed before ever,
Speaker 5: who had had this vision to make this film for
Speaker 5: I don't know, twenty years, and somehow I got cast
Speaker 5: in it in her Like Dream project, And it's a
Speaker 5: movie about this female CEO who inherits this large company
Speaker 5: that she's been working in for many years and has
Speaker 5: this sort of this health drama, but more in reality
Speaker 5: it's more like a psychic drama. And she disengages from
Speaker 5: this whole sense of identity and life purpose to kind
Speaker 5: of let it go and get into living in the
Speaker 5: forest and growing a garden.
Speaker 3: What is this?
Speaker 5: So this movie it's called The Gardener, okay, and it's
Speaker 5: very it's you know, having grown up in a sort
Speaker 5: of spiritual environment, it was really kind of an easy
Speaker 5: fit for me to kind of sit with this movie
Speaker 5: because it sort of explores all these different aspects of
Speaker 5: spirituality bit grounding it in the forest and in just
Speaker 5: getting your hands dirty and growing things. And it felt
Speaker 5: like it was this Dabney's kind of mission to put
Speaker 5: this movie out. And she's done and is still in
Speaker 5: this process of distributing it independently. So there's been these
Speaker 5: kind of group screenings in different parts of America and
Speaker 5: then like a I'm sure I'm watching it sort of
Speaker 5: unfold how it's going to play out. Eventually it stream
Speaker 5: but she's trying to take ownership of the process of
Speaker 5: it and how it's distributed, so instead of having the
Speaker 5: middleman involved, it'll be she'll own the profit of it.
Speaker 5: Does that make sense?
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'm looking up if it's in any theaters in
Speaker 2: New York right now. You're really genre bending. If someone
Speaker 2: offered you an SVU style job where you would be
Speaker 2: a detective for twenty seven years, do you think you'd
Speaker 2: say yes?
Speaker 5: You know, I thought about that on that set because
Speaker 5: I was like, Wow, how does she do it? You know,
Speaker 5: if I could do it like her? Yes, yeah, I
Speaker 5: think it takes it, ye know, but you'd have to
Speaker 5: have her personality. Yeah, I don't know if it would
Speaker 5: suit me, I'd probably be dead. But the way she's
Speaker 5: crafted the whole thing, she's really made it hers and
Speaker 5: she's the captain of the ship. So as much as
Speaker 5: there's you know, so many people demanding so much, I
Speaker 5: think she's made it work for her. And she's you know,
Speaker 5: in an amazing city. She's got a great personal life,
Speaker 5: and she's it's sort of a mission project too, you know,
Speaker 5: the subject is she's going.
Speaker 3: Like a legislature passed with this job.
Speaker 5: Yeah, really like turned it into something. It's quite phenomenal.
Speaker 5: You know, if she was in England, she'd be like
Speaker 5: Dame you know, Dame.
Speaker 3: Rishka for sure. Oh my gosh, she was great.
Speaker 2: She was great. I love interesting, cool career. I just
Speaker 2: love people that work like our job is so cool.
Speaker 2: Like I love just scrolling through an IMDb and going
Speaker 2: look at that, Yeah, decades in the bus and she's
Speaker 2: worked with so many people, and she's she's bouncing from
Speaker 2: La to Melbourne.
Speaker 3: I like it. It's great.
Speaker 2: And I mean to come with not only Hollywood stories,
Speaker 2: but like cold Hollywood stories.
Speaker 1: Was kind of a thrill to possibly be at an
Speaker 1: event with Keith Ranieri. I mean, she's been so close
Speaker 1: to very very famous mediocrity.
Speaker 3: It's really she was cool. The episode's cool.
Speaker 2: I love that we talked to two actresses that have
Speaker 2: been in front of those colorful bottles.
Speaker 3: Oh my gosh, we love a colorful bottle.
Speaker 2: I also love when they're like at the video game convention,
Speaker 2: all the conventions, and it is like an episode that
Speaker 2: just shows us that s you can continuously surprise us
Speaker 2: and take us on journeys throughout episodes constantly like you
Speaker 2: don't know where the episode's going. It's just like yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: and that she was still a dumb bitch at the end.
Speaker 3: You know what I mean?
Speaker 2: Can I see that? Like I just love when people
Speaker 2: don't learn anything, Like I really love that. I love
Speaker 2: when people don't learn a lesson. Yeah's kind of cool.
Speaker 2: I mean I think she learned No, I didn't want
Speaker 2: her to get raped, and that like a lot of
Speaker 2: this came from like not that anyone deserves this behavior,
Speaker 2: but like that her best friend from childhood like didn't
Speaker 2: defend her and was complicit in this takedown of her
Speaker 2: because she's been so horrible to her whole life, starting
Speaker 2: from camp, you know. Like, but also, girl, get like
Speaker 2: some self esteem? Why do you keep hanging out with them? Yes?
Speaker 3: Yes, you know what I mean, Like, don't hang out
Speaker 3: with people that don't treat you nicely. Yeah, that's like
Speaker 3: kind of a lesson, but that's hard to learn, you know.
Speaker 2: We all come from I like when we're also watching
Speaker 2: an episode like this and we're like, we've talked to
Speaker 2: Samantha Mathis, We've talked to Mousam, Like we've really got
Speaker 2: we've really knocked everybody out on this episode.
Speaker 3: Yeah, is this the most?
Speaker 2: Is this the episode where we've talked to the most
Speaker 2: people in one episode? Because we've also talked to Amanda Dollins,
Speaker 2: Thank you very much, Yes, we have.
Speaker 1: I don't know we have to do that, Like figure
Speaker 1: out what's our most guests heavy because what was the.
Speaker 3: One we just do do? We have to figure it out.
Speaker 2: I can't believe I'm not hearing these like massive cracks
Speaker 2: of thunder and lightning, like they're like when you because
Speaker 2: it's gonna rain here too. Honestly, I hope my whole
Speaker 2: day gets canceled. I'm not sleeping, my voice is gone.
Speaker 2: I went to the doctor. I'm gonna go to any NT.
Speaker 2: I don't know.
Speaker 3: I don't know. And you've already stopped the bad I
Speaker 3: have not smoked weed now in weeks. Yeah, and while
Speaker 3: you're all hearing this, I still have it. And people
Speaker 3: are like, but you're doing edibles, Like, oh, honestly, I haven't.
Speaker 3: I'm not really interested. I'm not. I'm on zudafed behind
Speaker 3: the counter.
Speaker 2: I'm taking zudafed since my ears are clogged because of
Speaker 2: my sore throat.
Speaker 3: Oh my god.
Speaker 1: Yeah, you're just maybe you're just like cleansing from like
Speaker 1: the weed.
Speaker 2: Oh but I did get a supportive DM from a listener, going,
Speaker 2: everyone drinks on a moxicillin, You're fine.
Speaker 3: I go, hell, yeah, I tell people that all the time.
Speaker 3: I go off. You can drink.
Speaker 1: I as your mom said that. I was told, you
Speaker 1: can drink on antibiotics. It just might make them a
Speaker 1: little bit less effective, but it's not going to like
Speaker 1: hurt you.
Speaker 2: I heard the opposite. I heard your body is just
Speaker 2: so weak and then your liver will fail. But I
Speaker 2: guess it's worth it to me.
Speaker 1: I don't know about a moxicillin that's like a kid
Speaker 1: like your liver's like giving out.
Speaker 2: But you know, I guess we have to talk about
Speaker 2: how much drinking. And it's like I just make such
Speaker 2: bad decisions. It's like, just stay home one more day,
Speaker 2: like go home after the play. You don't have to
Speaker 2: stay out till one thirty. But like, I don't know,
Speaker 2: I don't know. I only live one life.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I get, yes, summer you're in you can do
Speaker 1: a little winter reset, but it's summer and then fall
Speaker 1: in New York last three minutes.
Speaker 3: You have to enjoy that too.
Speaker 2: So the doctor today was like, so we're still five
Speaker 2: to ten drinks a day? I go, sure, a day,
Speaker 2: I mean a week. Obviously you told them a day
Speaker 2: and they were like that you leave, But I had
Speaker 2: like five beers yesterday. Well that's the thing we're all
Speaker 2: lying to the doctor about how much we're drinking.
Speaker 3: We all we are. I'm sorry, Casey's laughing at me
Speaker 3: because he knows one of my antibiotics. But I had.
Speaker 3: I had stella for dinner at my backgammon meet up. No,
Speaker 3: I told her.
Speaker 2: I go, I've been I go, I've been partaking in summertime.
Speaker 2: But we could leave it there. But yeah, no, okay.
Speaker 1: A week is also like what if you just go
Speaker 1: out twice a week and have four drinks.
Speaker 3: That's eight drinks and you only went out twice. I know.
Speaker 2: Oh at Drussian Samovar I had, they have like a
Speaker 2: borsch Martini.
Speaker 3: It's like a beat Martini. Oh Borstini.
Speaker 2: Oh interesting, I.
Speaker 3: Got it, I got it.
Speaker 1: I'm just saying I think it's a slippery slope and back.
Speaker 1: I mean, I remember one time in New York. I
Speaker 1: literally like, turn to someone, I go, I think I've
Speaker 1: been drinking for sixteen days straight. I have to stop,
Speaker 1: Like I just you can get caught up in that.
Speaker 1: But I do think that the guidelines are. My doctor
Speaker 1: told me I shouldn't be having more than one drink
Speaker 1: at a sitting.
Speaker 3: I was like, what am I doctor? I can't have two? Yeah,
Speaker 3: they're just trying to help you live longer, I stronger.
Speaker 2: They're doing their jobs, but it just doesn't feel.
Speaker 3: And I bet they're lying. They're all smoking cigarettes. I know.
Speaker 2: Every doctor. No, they're eating. Anytime I see someone eating
Speaker 2: an apple in the wild, I go, but that's a doctor.
Speaker 2: Somebody living an apple a day. Trope loud, I do.
Speaker 3: Have apples in the You know, I'm trying to up
Speaker 3: my fiber.
Speaker 2: But listen, my doctor. This is the second appointment I've
Speaker 2: had with her where she is pissed I won't let
Speaker 2: her do AI and she goes. She goes, well, it'll
Speaker 2: just be easier for me. I go, I'm morally against it.
Speaker 3: She goes, why.
Speaker 2: I go because the idea of it is theft in
Speaker 2: and of itself, and it's not accurate and I don't
Speaker 2: like it. And she goes, well, it's gonna take longer,
Speaker 2: I'm gonna have to type and I can't really check
Speaker 2: you out. At the same time, she's like it, just
Speaker 2: puts it in and then deletes immediately.
Speaker 3: I go, I don't want it, Like, don't ask me
Speaker 3: yes or name.
Speaker 2: It's not gonna listen and you're not gonna guilt me bitch,
Speaker 2: are you kidding? And immediately what is she talking about?
Speaker 2: Doesn't it? I don't think it's accurate. I don't trust it.
Speaker 2: I don't trust the people that own it. I don't
Speaker 2: trust any of it. And it is unethical to begin with,
Speaker 2: so fucking type, bitch, I don't know. Put more time
Speaker 2: in between your appointments if you're gonna run late for typing,
Speaker 2: Like how long have you had AI?
Speaker 3: Six months?
Speaker 2: And all of a sudden you can't type if you've
Speaker 2: been doing for twenty five years. Yeah, you've been typing. Yeah,
Speaker 2: keep typing. But I wonder if I'm the only person
Speaker 2: who declines it the way she treats me.
Speaker 3: I don't.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I wonder. I wonder some of our medical people,
Speaker 2: let us know. Are people declining your AI options?
Speaker 3: Let us know?
Speaker 2: But damn this doctor, you're gonna hit her next time?
Speaker 2: She better stop. I'm not I just I'm not budging.
Speaker 2: So it's like, yeah, I'll go to a different I
Speaker 2: like and write it out in the chart. Write it
Speaker 2: out in the chart.
Speaker 1: If you don't want to have this argument every time,
Speaker 1: put it note in the chart. This CLIs patient does
Speaker 1: not like the AI thing.
Speaker 3: Don't ask.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's get into what would Sister Peg do. This
Speaker 1: is our weekly segment where we direct you usually towards
Speaker 1: a book, an article, an organization, something to give you
Speaker 1: more info about today's episode. But this episode, I'm going
Speaker 1: to point you to our teacher wish lists that we
Speaker 1: promote on our Instagram.
Speaker 3: It is getting to be the end of it is.
Speaker 1: It's the end of July and it's getting to be
Speaker 1: back to school season, and teachers are constantly dipping into
Speaker 1: their own pockets to provide for their classrooms. We have
Speaker 1: a ton of educators that listen to our show, so
Speaker 1: in from like late July to mid August or mid
Speaker 1: to late August, I usually share on that's messed up,
Speaker 1: teach your wish lists, and then if you have a
Speaker 1: couple of extra bucks, if you could just scroll through
Speaker 1: and donate to some of the wishlests, it's nice, awesome.
Speaker 2: Yeah.
Speaker 3: So I'm going.
Speaker 1: There's going to be a teacher's highlight on our Instagram
Speaker 1: page that is going to have all of the wish
Speaker 1: lists saved up there and you can scroll through see
Speaker 1: who has a lot of stuff missing or left to
Speaker 1: be fulfilled, And it also will explain to you teachers,
Speaker 1: how exactly we need you to post them so that
Speaker 1: we can share them.
Speaker 2: So go over to our instagram that's messed up pod.
Speaker 2: Just follow it for fun, but also follow it to
Speaker 2: get these future wish lists and that's where they will be.
Speaker 3: Yeah. I love that we do that every year. The
Speaker 3: teachers seem happy.
Speaker 2: It's exciting and you all get involved, and I'm really grateful. Yeah,
Speaker 2: you're good people, and I like that Tommy's are a
Speaker 2: nation of edgua.
Speaker 3: Oh my god, Kira, I have a fucking shirt. I
Speaker 3: have to give hold the hold the phone.
Speaker 2: Okay, So you know, you know the Miranda shirts we
Speaker 2: got like this, the Dory shirt that was gifted to me.
Speaker 2: Huh so the girl who saw me in Minneapolis, I
Speaker 2: have one for you as well.
Speaker 1: Ooh, oh my god. Wait what does it say under
Speaker 1: stabler Tommy? But I saw that under Marishka.
Speaker 2: I didn't know if it said it under it both say,
Speaker 2: they both say Tommy, okay, love it say it's it's
Speaker 2: a tank top and on each boob it's it looks
Speaker 2: like season one.
Speaker 1: It's season one, Marishka and maybe season one Maloney as well,
Speaker 1: and it says Tommy underneath love it gorgeous.
Speaker 3: I think it says tommy mommy.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, God, I didn't even know that it
Speaker 2: says tommy mommy. It says tommy mommy. Even better. Good
Speaker 2: catch you like good catch eagle ie egle eye. All right,
Speaker 2: I'm excited to get mine. Okay, yeah, so go yeah.
Speaker 2: Check out the wish lists when you get a chance.
Speaker 2: Oh gosh, listen, guys. Oh a posts from teacher whistless
Speaker 2: to next week's episodes Child's Welfare. Uh Season thirteen, episode sixteen,
Speaker 2: So get at that.
Speaker 7: Yeah, we'll see you guys next week. Bye.
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