Speaker 1: I'm Tamika D. Mallory and ship Boy. So generally we
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Speaker 1: Inspiration, New Name, New Energy.
Speaker 2: How you doing today, Tamika D. Mallory, You're doing great.
Speaker 2: You still got this little glam You're still I.
Speaker 3: Still got the hairstyle, which is a mess a little
Speaker 3: bit because I slept on it, but whatever, it'll work
Speaker 3: for today. I still got the glitter makeup.
Speaker 2: Yes that this is a good Harlem galla. You had
Speaker 2: that Links.
Speaker 3: Hallow, Well it's now it's the Metro chapter of the
Speaker 3: Links incorporated. The Links is a women's organization. It's a
Speaker 3: social organization that is very very focused on service. You
Speaker 3: have to be invited to become a member, and it
Speaker 3: would be on the list of the of the organizations
Speaker 3: that they call the black Bourgeoisie because these are very,
Speaker 3: very successful, powerful women. When it first started, there were
Speaker 3: a lot of women who were wives of so the
Speaker 3: husband had the resources. And not to say that those
Speaker 3: women weren't also pretty powerful, but it did have an
Speaker 3: element of women whose husbands were of stature and it
Speaker 3: was a place that the women, the wives could get
Speaker 3: together and do certain link and link up and do
Speaker 3: service for the community, you know. But over time, obviously,
Speaker 3: as women have made extreme, you know, incredible strides in
Speaker 3: our careers and our professional lives, our personal lives and
Speaker 3: all of that entrepreneurship, it has become a space where
Speaker 3: a lot of women they don't even have to be well,
Speaker 3: a lot of them are married, probably the majority are
Speaker 3: least in very long standing relationships. But you don't have
Speaker 3: to be to join the links. And again you do
Speaker 3: have to be invited, and it's a very rigorous process
Speaker 3: for how how people are selected. I find myself as
Speaker 3: one who especially I've been a link now for ten years,
Speaker 3: and so how I when I was introduced and invited
Speaker 3: into LinkedIn, I knew I was different from many of
Speaker 3: the other women as an activist organizer, didn't have a
Speaker 3: lot of resources, you know, just kind of was finding
Speaker 3: myself ten years ago, I was thirty four years old.
Speaker 3: I was just getting myself in a really really comfortable space.
Speaker 3: And so for them to bring me in let me
Speaker 3: know that the vision is to expand beyond just like
Speaker 3: one type of black woman. And now I look to
Speaker 3: the right and the left of me and there's all
Speaker 3: types of people, you know, somebody that might have an
Speaker 3: art studio, somebody who might have an art gallery, you know,
Speaker 3: So you've got that kind of interesting dynamic and Metro
Speaker 3: Manhattan's chapters focus. My chapter's focus is on Harlem, our
Speaker 3: services to youth, our national trends. All the things that
Speaker 3: we do is about and we have an arts committee
Speaker 3: as well. Everything that we do is about figuring out
Speaker 3: how to help people in Harlem, how to support more
Speaker 3: Harlem initiatives, how to bring our skill set to the
Speaker 3: people of Harlem. We work with domestic Violence Shelter and
Speaker 3: providing them. In fact, I've been in that shelter many
Speaker 3: times for you know, whether it's talking with the women.
Speaker 3: Now we're in the process of raising donations and money
Speaker 3: to support the women there. We work with Thurgood Marshall
Speaker 3: School working with their young people, and some other schools.
Speaker 3: And you know, Hazel Dukes, the Great Hazel Dukes is
Speaker 3: one of the charter members of the chapter. So of
Speaker 3: course her energy is like built in and a lot
Speaker 3: of what happens in the chapter in the direction of
Speaker 3: the chain is based upon her big service to Harlem.
Speaker 1: For I don't know how.
Speaker 2: Many are dukes.
Speaker 1: Yeah, so that's what the links are all about.
Speaker 3: Or you know, you hear people online bashing people who
Speaker 3: are in black organizations, the Boulet and.
Speaker 1: All of that.
Speaker 3: But in a lot of these groups, you have young
Speaker 3: people who've been able to get education. I know for
Speaker 3: a fact that sometimes when it's happened, it literally has
Speaker 3: happened with myself and another person has SIGNI prats from
Speaker 3: a different chapter.
Speaker 1: She's been in Greater New York.
Speaker 3: She and I have literally helped to pay for the
Speaker 3: college education of one of the young people who comes
Speaker 3: from a struggling beginning and has dealt with some extreme
Speaker 3: issues and disadvantages. But we helped her to get through Hampton.
Speaker 3: Whenever she needed something books not paid for, need more
Speaker 3: money to close the gap with the rest of the tuition,
Speaker 3: need pocket change.
Speaker 1: We helped her.
Speaker 3: And now not only did she graduate for Hampton from Hampton,
Speaker 3: but she's on her way to law school on a
Speaker 3: scholarship for her entire time in law school. So this
Speaker 3: is what the links is all about. And so when
Speaker 3: you know, you hear people talking and maybe you've never
Speaker 3: encountered someone from these types of organizations, and there's enough
Speaker 3: critique to go around. We should definitely critique all organizations,
Speaker 3: including Until Freedom should have people to say, well what
Speaker 3: about this? You could do more here, You could be
Speaker 3: deep on these issues. But overall, the goal of these women,
Speaker 3: aside from social events which we have, is really to
Speaker 3: do service to our community.
Speaker 2: Well, yeah, I did a service yesterday.
Speaker 4: We did.
Speaker 1: We raise a lot of money.
Speaker 2: Beautiful event, you know, and then they party. Good fool
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. Everybody was dead. It was.
Speaker 2: It was a beautiful event.
Speaker 4: Man.
Speaker 2: It's it's good to see you just to see black
Speaker 2: people in that element, right, to see it in the
Speaker 2: professional element. You just watch it goes. You see all
Speaker 2: types of preachers, you see successful people from all over
Speaker 2: the world that come, y'all they could. Lady was on
Speaker 2: there talking about how people flew from all over to
Speaker 2: come to this thing because this is this is that thing,
Speaker 2: you know what I'm saying. So it was it was
Speaker 2: a good event, man, it was. The energy was good,
Speaker 2: you know, and it's it's always good to see people,
Speaker 2: you know, thriving in those spaces. So shout out to
Speaker 2: the Manhattan chapter of the Link, the Met Chapter and
Speaker 2: their good Old.
Speaker 1: Holiday. It was called a toast harl But.
Speaker 2: You know, the only thing I was wondering, It's like
Speaker 2: it was in Chipriani's Wall Street and which is a
Speaker 2: dope dope spat. But why is it not in Harlem? Like?
Speaker 2: Why since the Harlem? Why you don't do it in Hallow?
Speaker 3: Well there, you know, if you notice, we have a
Speaker 3: lot of people, and our assessment every year, which is
Speaker 3: the dues that you pay for the organization to keep going,
Speaker 3: requires that every gala, which is every two years, each
Speaker 3: member of the chapter must participate because you got to
Speaker 3: have some skin in the game in order to stay
Speaker 3: in this network. And by the way, there are people
Speaker 3: who've done deals with just like any other you know,
Speaker 3: I don't know what happens. Our community is the only
Speaker 3: community that people get mad at you for being in
Speaker 3: a club where you can go across the table and say, hey,
Speaker 3: you know what, we're building this business or we're doing
Speaker 3: this thing. Would you like to come in, would you
Speaker 3: like to invest?
Speaker 2: You?
Speaker 1: Can you help me? Can you guide me? Hey? I
Speaker 1: need a job?
Speaker 3: Hey my son is can he interview? Can he be
Speaker 3: your intern for the summer? Can you know, I don't
Speaker 3: know why can get a recommendation letter?
Speaker 1: People be what because they.
Speaker 3: Don't have access all the time. And I get it,
Speaker 3: but you gotta build your own networks. I'm in fifty
Speaker 3: networks of different types of people.
Speaker 1: I got people that do all types of things.
Speaker 3: You got to anyway, I was getting raided to started
Speaker 3: saying illegal stuff. I was gonna say, you got to sue,
Speaker 3: sue people, but not for nothing. I don't invest in
Speaker 3: that because I don't see how I love. I don't
Speaker 3: see how it comes back. It just doesn't make sense. Nah,
Speaker 3: doesn't make sense to me. So I don't do it anymore.
Speaker 3: I used to, but I don't do it anymore anyway.
Speaker 3: People still have all different types of networks to help
Speaker 3: them get through life, and you should build them. Don't
Speaker 3: wait for somebody to invite you to this or that
Speaker 3: or whatever. You think you gotta be all of this
Speaker 3: to get in the room. I wasn't all of that,
Speaker 3: and I was invited because of my work and the
Speaker 3: fact that I grew up in Harlem and you know,
Speaker 3: and people were like, Okay, she's somebody we should have.
Speaker 3: And I'm sure in those meetings that I'm not a
Speaker 3: part of. So don't you don't get to know what
Speaker 3: happened before. It's like the zoom chat. When you come
Speaker 3: into the zoom chat, the only thing you could see
Speaker 3: is when you came in the little chat section.
Speaker 1: But before that.
Speaker 3: Other people were probably having plenty of conversation, but you
Speaker 3: don't know until you get added.
Speaker 1: And it's the same thing with this. I don't know
Speaker 1: what was discussed.
Speaker 3: I don't know what they said before I got there,
Speaker 3: but I'm sure that if Hazel has anything to do
Speaker 3: with it, she's sitting in the room saying, all of
Speaker 3: us are cute, we look cute. Well, we need some
Speaker 3: of these young folks that's out here in the movement
Speaker 3: doing the work.
Speaker 4: You know.
Speaker 3: I can imagine her saying that, And so that's how
Speaker 3: I made it, and so, you know whatever. But to
Speaker 3: answer your question about why it's there, it's because there
Speaker 3: really are not enough venues that can handle the size.
Speaker 1: Of our group. You know, we got over seventy people.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and so each person has to have between ten
Speaker 3: to twelve people at this event. That's a lot of people.
Speaker 3: The venues just really don't hold they really don't. And
Speaker 3: even some of the larger venues we have, they are not.
Speaker 1: Up to the.
Speaker 3: It's aesthetics of what people are trying to do. But nonetheless,
Speaker 3: we can show you when you open our books line
Speaker 3: item of where the money goes and the money that
Speaker 3: we raise goes into Harlem.
Speaker 2: It definitely does. That was an exquisite event and you
Speaker 2: can tell that people paid a lot of money for it.
Speaker 3: They do, we pay, Yes, I paid, So shout out
Speaker 3: to y'all for that.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: Cool.
Speaker 1: So let's talk about my thought of the day.
Speaker 3: I got a call from someone who was really concerned
Speaker 3: about a case that's happening.
Speaker 1: Terrible situation. Horrible situation.
Speaker 3: Uh, And I was involved with it in the very
Speaker 3: beginning for a short period of time. I think we
Speaker 3: may have gone and we visited the family or we
Speaker 3: did something, and so I'm not I was not involved
Speaker 3: with it until the last day.
Speaker 1: And so a person called. And when I say the.
Speaker 3: Last day, that's usually something happens in court or you know,
Speaker 3: you have some developments. And then that's that's what I
Speaker 3: mean by that, because when we get involved, we stay
Speaker 3: all the way. But in this situation and in a
Speaker 3: few other situations, people will see us and then you don't.
Speaker 3: And so the so the person that wrote me said,
Speaker 3: I thought that you were on this, like what happened.
Speaker 3: They weren't upset or anything. They just was like what happened?
Speaker 3: Like where did you go? Curious about it? And it
Speaker 3: made me sit and think that I can't explain to
Speaker 3: that person the details, because that's just not what we do, right,
Speaker 3: We don't. We don't go out and tell people why
Speaker 3: or what's going on behind the scenes and cases.
Speaker 1: You know, I was getting all of this flack.
Speaker 3: I think you remember, this is a separate issue about
Speaker 3: Shanquala Robinson and her father had been making statements about,
Speaker 3: you know, how we got involved, and then all these
Speaker 3: bloggers picked it up and they were talking about us
Speaker 3: as if or me, especially as if I was somehow
Speaker 3: encouraging Shanquala's her mother and her sister to do something
Speaker 3: without the father. And I've never said a thing, you know.
Speaker 3: All I have really pretty much ever said, was like, hmm,
Speaker 3: you know, y'all believe what y'all want to believe. But
Speaker 3: I know the facts of what's going on behind the scenes.
Speaker 3: But we don't go out and say, oh, let me
Speaker 3: tell you this happened, that happened, or whatever. All we
Speaker 3: can do is say. All we can do is say
Speaker 3: I've had many conversations. Everybody involved knows exactly what's going on,
Speaker 3: and you kind of leave it at that because you're
Speaker 3: trying to make sure the integrity of what you're doing
Speaker 3: that you don't get a reputation for running around spreading
Speaker 3: gossip and stuff about people's face.
Speaker 1: This nasty? Is this not what we're gonna do.
Speaker 3: So in this particular situation, they're asking why am I
Speaker 3: not involved in this?
Speaker 1: In this thing?
Speaker 3: And so I was sitting in my thought of the
Speaker 3: day at what I came here to say is that
Speaker 3: oftentimes we don't talk about any of the details of
Speaker 3: what's happening behind the scenes in cases, but there's a
Speaker 3: lot of stuff happening behind the scenes in cases, and
Speaker 3: I will often pull back from a situation where I
Speaker 3: see that there is any level of toxicity with other
Speaker 3: people getting involved. I can deal with a family that
Speaker 3: might have struggles because you have unfortunate situations where someone
Speaker 3: may be killed or harmed, and then you find out
Speaker 3: there's a parent who's incarcerated, or a parent who is
Speaker 3: on drugs or you know another or a parent who's
Speaker 3: not been around but now that they're is a case
Speaker 3: they want to be in the camera, or they think
Speaker 3: they're supposed to get some money. We've dealt with all
Speaker 3: of that, and I know how to navigate those conversations,
Speaker 3: working closely with the lawyers the families, trying to give
Speaker 3: the best advice, and also making sure to stay close
Speaker 3: to who invited us to be a part of helping
Speaker 3: them to fight for their loved one. But if I
Speaker 3: see that other individuals are coming into the situation who
Speaker 3: are toxic, it's especially in New York where we live,
Speaker 3: I pull back my my business and support from the sidelines.
Speaker 3: And the reason why I do that is one because
Speaker 3: I have no intention to fight other people while working
Speaker 3: on a situation that requires really all of our full
Speaker 3: attention and our unity to help this family or these individuals.
Speaker 1: Fight for their community or their loved one.
Speaker 3: I have no intention of being in a knockdown drag out.
Speaker 1: I've done that already.
Speaker 3: I done had squabbles here and there with people, and
Speaker 3: I'm just not doing it. Especially as I've gotten older,
Speaker 3: I realize I'm not the only advocate. I realize that
Speaker 3: I'm not the only voice. I realize that there are
Speaker 3: many people that have different strategies, and Lord knows, I
Speaker 3: pray that whatever their strategy is works. But for me,
Speaker 3: especially in New York City where I live, I understand
Speaker 3: that my family members and friends they don't really do
Speaker 3: politically correct.
Speaker 1: So all of this.
Speaker 3: Like where people think they can be super aggressive with
Speaker 3: you and they outside yelling and talking about, oh, anybody
Speaker 3: that's here, this is my shit then, and now, ain't
Speaker 3: you ain't tough enough? You ain't this and doing all that.
Speaker 3: I'm out because I'm not getting ready to have the
Speaker 3: men in my family getting into it with you, because
Speaker 3: it's going to turn into some total street shit, Like,
Speaker 3: ain't nobody trying to hear me telling them, well, we
Speaker 3: gotta you out here people be threatening to slap people
Speaker 3: like the things that I see. And we're even on
Speaker 3: video getting into it with a group of weird ass
Speaker 3: people out in Staten Island where they were videotaping my
Speaker 3: license plate from when.
Speaker 1: We pulled up.
Speaker 3: They were videotape and my license plate and the type
Speaker 3: of car that I have, and we asked them what's
Speaker 3: up and the thing turned into a whole thing, and
Speaker 3: the next thing you know, we back and forth and
Speaker 3: people are saying what is going to happen? And they
Speaker 3: clipped me saying something by slapping the shit out of someone,
Speaker 3: and then there we go. And so but I don't
Speaker 3: give a damn. I'm just saying I don't want to
Speaker 3: be involved in none of that. So therefore, if I
Speaker 3: see toxic organizations or people I don't work well with,
Speaker 3: or people, and you know, and again if you call me,
Speaker 3: if a family callsed me and say hey, do you
Speaker 3: have this person's number or can you support me in
Speaker 3: this way?
Speaker 1: No problem.
Speaker 3: But I am not going to be showing up every
Speaker 3: day in an environment where somebody that might me have
Speaker 3: to hurt them or somebody and my family have to hurt.
Speaker 2: It's growth, and it's just understanding. A lot of people are, oh,
Speaker 2: why you ain't on this and why you ain't all that,
Speaker 2: and you know, a lot of times it's just it's
Speaker 2: not the situation. You know, it's not a situation that
Speaker 2: I feel like we should be attached to it. Like
Speaker 2: you said, it's toxics. A lot of times, you know,
Speaker 2: these a lot of times these families are forced into
Speaker 2: situations that they didn't call for, right, and then with
Speaker 2: media attention, it divides the family. Right, So when you
Speaker 2: see that the family is divided and the father don't
Speaker 2: want this, and the father don't want the mother ain't this,
Speaker 2: and you know, the mother and the father's it's I
Speaker 2: don't want to be involved in, right, because it turns
Speaker 2: into SMAR campaigns, It turns into discrediting you and this
Speaker 2: and that, and a lot of times, you know, we've
Speaker 2: we've we've experienced it firsthand in situations that we never
Speaker 2: had anything to do with, when people just throw your
Speaker 2: name out because you happen to be the most notable
Speaker 2: person in the situation. So and they can get some
Speaker 2: you know, views, and they can get some attention, and
Speaker 2: the news is going to print as soon as they
Speaker 2: try to discredit you. So we just these are things
Speaker 2: that come along with the territory and actually really be
Speaker 2: on the front line and doing this work, and we
Speaker 2: we've learned how to navigate. We've learned how to say, oh, now,
Speaker 2: this situation right here, we hope you get the best
Speaker 2: you know that you can, but you know, it's just
Speaker 2: not something that we want to be involved, and we've
Speaker 2: learned how to do that.
Speaker 3: So, yeah, it's not an easy decision to make because
Speaker 3: if we could be involved in everything, we would, but
Speaker 3: it's the best situation for the family also because you know,
Speaker 3: you don't even want to explain to them like, oh,
Speaker 3: that's messy. You know this person they can't be trusted,
Speaker 3: or they did this thing, or you know a lot
Speaker 3: of times I get that's what they do.
Speaker 2: And somebody's going and this person ain't that And then
Speaker 2: if the family be like, well, that's not what i've
Speaker 2: seen either. The first people that can't help me, you know,
Speaker 2: before anybody was here, they actually was the people. You know,
Speaker 2: but they'll try to do anything. Oh, they only came
Speaker 2: for the world. They actually didn't come for that. They
Speaker 2: actually was the people that brought the news here because
Speaker 2: you know, we reached out to them and nobody was
Speaker 2: paying attention. Like, but they don't say those things. Most
Speaker 2: people don't know those things, only the family, and then
Speaker 2: they won't they won't highlight that, you know, they won't
Speaker 2: highlight the family members saying that. They just want to
Speaker 2: highlight the people that's talking negative about you. So this,
Speaker 2: you know, and in all of these situations, we know
Speaker 2: what comes with this. You know, you've been doing this
Speaker 2: way before me, but I know in the last decade
Speaker 2: that I've been doing it, you know, I've learned and said,
Speaker 2: oh that's what happened. Well, oh that's how they do. Damn,
Speaker 2: I didn't think that. I'm thinking, you're fighting for people.
Speaker 2: It should be simple. We just out here. We want
Speaker 2: to make sure. No, it's there's so much proper.
Speaker 3: It gets to be very complicated, very competible. So I
Speaker 3: just I tried and not so much that a mind
Speaker 3: in my business. If you call on me, I'm here,
Speaker 3: and I always make it clear I'm here. But at
Speaker 3: the end, and I also don't bad mouth other people like,
Speaker 3: oh but I can't be around because such such. I
Speaker 3: don't do that. They do that to me, but I
Speaker 3: don't do well of that. I just find a way to,
Speaker 3: you know, ease myself on back. Let y'all go ahead,
Speaker 3: get in front of the camera, do your thing. I
Speaker 3: don't need it. We create our own media every every
Speaker 3: week on this show and other things that we do.
Speaker 3: Our social media following is pretty strong. People are really
Speaker 3: with us. We create our own media. I don't need it.
Speaker 3: It would be nice if the mainstream media paid more
Speaker 3: attention to what we do and promote us, but at
Speaker 3: the end of the day, if they don't, that's okay.
Speaker 3: If you want to find us. We telling you the
Speaker 3: story of what we're doing. I'm not running to stand
Speaker 3: up and be in the face of the camera. So
Speaker 3: and then having to go back and people threatening and
Speaker 3: talking crazy because they really not gonna do any of
Speaker 3: the things that they're saying, but the mere fact that
Speaker 3: they are even trying to and it's not it's not
Speaker 3: really threatening us. It's just their their their their body
Speaker 3: language and all of this ignorance. And just like I said, toxicity,
Speaker 3: I'm not gonna do it. And I think also as
Speaker 3: it relates to you and Angelo, I'm also very mindful
Speaker 3: because I know as soon as something happens with me,
Speaker 3: y'all are going to be like, what's going on? And
Speaker 3: now nobody's backing down and everybody, so you know what,
Speaker 3: I'm out.
Speaker 1: Y'all got it?
Speaker 2: You gotta be like y'all got it?
Speaker 1: You right, you got it? I mean, you got it?
Speaker 1: God bless God, bless you.
Speaker 3: Anyway, what's up NeXT's going to be our music segment.
Speaker 2: I got a song for my music segment. That's a
Speaker 2: young guy that I love man and he sent me
Speaker 2: this this song today and it's called Uncle Tom Right,
Speaker 2: and he did a song you got, you gotta follow him.
Speaker 2: Is his Instagram is at Teft's at tef Same game
Speaker 2: t e F s A m E g A n
Speaker 2: G on Instagram at tough t e f at tef
Speaker 2: t e f same s A M gang g A
Speaker 2: n G. And it's called Uncle Ruck. I mean, it's
Speaker 2: called Uncle Tom. And I love the song. It's he
Speaker 2: made a little parody with certain Instagram people that pretty
Speaker 2: much fit you know, what he's talking about. And he's
Speaker 2: just talking about, you know, black people who who have
Speaker 2: been labeled Uncle Tom's who've done the things to you know,
Speaker 2: promote narratives that disrespect us, that amplify, you know, the
Speaker 2: most negative things about us. And he has some different
Speaker 2: things from you know, from the Boondocks, Uncle ruckets and
Speaker 2: it's a certain thing and it's a funny, but he's
Speaker 2: actually gonna do a real video. So he sent it
Speaker 2: to me and was like, Yo, I want you to
Speaker 2: put up for the real video when he does it,
Speaker 2: so I might pull up for the real video because
Speaker 2: it's like a little spool video that he did right here.
Speaker 2: But shout out to Tef. You know, he's a dope artist.
Speaker 2: He got he got a song that I posted before
Speaker 2: called Little Sis where he's talking to young girl that
Speaker 2: he's watching grow up and go through certain things, and
Speaker 2: he's just trying to put a orange of things and
Speaker 2: educated and try to save us. So that's when I
Speaker 2: first got introduced him. But he's a real dope artist,
Speaker 2: really introspective, lyrical, you know. So shout out to him
Speaker 2: and if you if you want to go follow him
Speaker 2: at tef Same gang on Instagram. He's a dope artist.
Speaker 2: And listen to the.
Speaker 3: Song Uncle Tom, Cool, Cool, Uncle Tom. I'm gonna check
Speaker 3: it out. That sounds like something I need in my blood.
Speaker 3: Right now, there's so many, so let's get into our
Speaker 3: guest who's coming in to be with us today. He
Speaker 3: was out shaking the tail fea feather with us at
Speaker 3: the gala and then.
Speaker 2: But we will have a be moving man, moving and shaking.
Speaker 3: Attorney Lee Merrick coming right up. The big homie is
Speaker 3: in town, Attorney Lee Marrit. All of you who are
Speaker 3: watching you know Lee, so we don't have to do
Speaker 3: too much to explain who he is. But if you
Speaker 3: are not aware, Lee Merritt is a civil rights attorney
Speaker 3: who has worked on some of the biggest cases, some
Speaker 3: of the most egregious cases in our time. How do
Speaker 3: you Lee Now you're forty one and how long have
Speaker 3: you been a lawyer?
Speaker 4: A decade now?
Speaker 3: Yeah, so for the last ten years he's been on
Speaker 3: the real, the real egregious who shot John cases that
Speaker 3: are like really serious. I mean, of course, one of
Speaker 3: the cases that comes to mind as a Tatiana Jefferson
Speaker 3: for those of you who remember that young sister was
Speaker 3: shot through her window while playing video games with her
Speaker 3: nephew and her home. And that's just one case, but
Speaker 3: that's something that I think a Tatiana we kind of
Speaker 3: like always revisit that whenever women are killed, we are
Speaker 3: always very sensitive to how it really goes, like unnoticed discussed.
Speaker 4: Yeah, Whi's true manslaughter instead of murder, which we can
Speaker 4: talk about with the ely verdict today, but manslaughter instead
Speaker 4: of murder. And Yeah, some of the cases that we
Speaker 4: were involved in Texas, we get those out. We've seen
Speaker 4: some of those outcomes, both of them Jas one of
Speaker 4: them where Amber Geiger went to prison. Yeah yeah, yeah,
Speaker 4: she said she walked in the wrong.
Speaker 1: Apartment, right, So that's both of them, John, that's uh.
Speaker 4: And you know, my son was just talking about Jordan Edwards.
Speaker 4: My son just turned fifteen, and Jordan Edwards was fifteen
Speaker 4: when he was killed.
Speaker 1: Right, right, right, that's one of your early cases.
Speaker 4: When Roy Oliver went to prison for that from murder one.
Speaker 1: So you got some son, some wins. Yeah, but they're
Speaker 1: still not like thet It's still not I don't know
Speaker 1: what it is about it.
Speaker 3: It's like when we get an officer arrested or you know,
Speaker 3: they go to jail, or we get a.
Speaker 1: Judgment for some.
Speaker 3: Reason, it just still was like it feels like if
Speaker 3: it can continues to happen, we're still not winning, like
Speaker 3: we just exactly Yeah, it's crazy. But then you also
Speaker 3: have another client at we love and I don't care
Speaker 3: who doesn't like it. We love, Uh, the brother from
Speaker 3: the what do they call him? The folding chair at
Speaker 3: the Alabama.
Speaker 1: What's it called? What's that area called again?
Speaker 4: Montgomery?
Speaker 1: The Montgomery right, the riverfront, that's right. He was a
Speaker 1: protector of other black this.
Speaker 4: Job after a group of white races began to sail
Speaker 4: black folks at the Montgomery Pier. What was it? What's
Speaker 4: the day?
Speaker 2: August?
Speaker 4: Fifth?
Speaker 1: August?
Speaker 4: It's a black holiday.
Speaker 1: Now, yeah, that's right.
Speaker 4: Celebrate the first year. Brother Ray actually went back to
Speaker 4: Vegas and he kept he called Eddie Griffin and show
Speaker 4: and Eddie Griffin does some common I was in Vegas
Speaker 4: at the NBA and which is the National Bar Association Conference.
Speaker 4: I'm sorry, and and Eddie Griffin did some jokes about
Speaker 4: the Montgomery brawlers, about Ray, in particular the chairman, and
Speaker 4: so we said chairman, and so we sent we sent
Speaker 4: the chairman there in him. Griffin actually brought him on
Speaker 4: stage to some of the guy in the crowd was
Speaker 4: like no, because he was making the jokes, and.
Speaker 2: He was like, no, it's him right here.
Speaker 1: That's cool. Celebrated and they were talking about charging him.
Speaker 4: Yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah. He faced some charges him
Speaker 4: and uh some other folks, Uh there face some charges.
Speaker 4: And I want to make sure that I'm saying the
Speaker 4: right thing. The charges were resolved, resolved, charges were resolved.
Speaker 4: I am not a criminal defense attorney. I do not
Speaker 4: practice criminal defense law or any form of law in
Speaker 4: the state of Montgomery, in the state of Alabama. I'm
Speaker 4: a federal attorney. I represent Steve Perkins there Indicator Alabama.
Speaker 4: We can talk about that. Yeah, I have to say
Speaker 4: all these.
Speaker 3: Which means you're giving the news, not that you're reporting
Speaker 3: the news totally.
Speaker 2: Now you talked, you spoke about the Daniel Penny case
Speaker 2: in the verdict. You know, we just heard today that
Speaker 2: he was found not guilty of manslaughter. Yeah, not manslaughter
Speaker 2: in criminal criminal negative and homicide.
Speaker 1: But that was still a charge.
Speaker 2: They took the man slaughter off and then they left
Speaker 2: him with criminal negative homicide for what for taking the
Speaker 2: life of Jordan Neil.
Speaker 3: You're right, he choked Jordan Nelly to death like a
Speaker 3: choke hold pretty much on the train in New York City.
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, And so this wasn't a causation case. We
Speaker 4: know what caused Jordan Nilly to die. It was this
Speaker 4: gentleman's name. It was Daniel Penny putting them in this
Speaker 4: choke hold. His defense was justification. Of course, this is
Speaker 4: what we see what cops use of force all the time.
Speaker 4: And so it really the whole trial came down to
Speaker 4: what the jury would consider justifiable and protecting either himself
Speaker 4: from the threat that Jordan that represented, or protecting others
Speaker 4: from the threat that represent it. Jordan said allegedly, according
Speaker 4: to witnesses, he said that he wanted to kill somebody.
Speaker 4: He was willing to kill somebody. It didn't touch anybody
Speaker 4: and raise his voice, but that under the law would
Speaker 4: have given most third parties the right to intervene. Hey,
Speaker 4: I'm not gonna allow you to kill somebody. I'll restrain you.
Speaker 4: He restrained them about the neck. I restrained people. I
Speaker 4: know how to restrain people. If you restrain them about
Speaker 4: the neck, the means I'm trying to cut off their wind.
Speaker 4: I'm trying to hurt them as my intent. I can
Speaker 4: restrain you in another way, especially somebody built the way
Speaker 4: Jordan Elli was built. I say all that to say
Speaker 4: I thought he would get criminal negligent homicide. I thought
Speaker 4: the judge dismissing manslaughter because they were locked on it.
Speaker 4: Dead locked on it was was an issue. I think
Speaker 4: that's a charge. The prosecutor can and should bring it
Speaker 4: back because the judge can't simply dismiss of it because
Speaker 4: the jury's dead locked on That means a group of
Speaker 4: jurors considered the other. The ones who just discussed it
Speaker 4: said a group said he's guilty of this, that he
Speaker 4: had lines up, and just because they're deadlocked on it
Speaker 4: on it, that means that you give the prosecutor a
Speaker 4: chance to represent the case.
Speaker 3: So so there's still hope. Yeah, so the prosecutor, so
Speaker 3: Alvin Bragg's office, who is the prosecutor in New York
Speaker 3: for those listening.
Speaker 1: Can go back.
Speaker 3: So you don't have to appeal anything. I mean, there's
Speaker 3: no appeal on the other side.
Speaker 4: And of course we think we have to think of
Speaker 4: all of I keep forgetting the assailants.
Speaker 1: Name Daniel Penny, your penny.
Speaker 4: He has to think of all of Daniel Penny's constitutional rights.
Speaker 4: Of course he has the constitutional right from double jeopardy.
Speaker 4: You can't bring the same charges against mister Penny. Uh.
Speaker 4: But that charge was brought, It was not properly dismissed of.
Speaker 4: It was not finally dismissed of. They were locked on it.
Speaker 4: I'm not sure what the judge did and dismissing it.
Speaker 4: I've never seen a bifurcated this dismissal. When I say
Speaker 4: a bifurcated dismissal, H'm saying he dismissed one part of
Speaker 4: the charges brought in a charge that up until that
Speaker 4: point no one was even discussing criminal negligent. I'micide as
Speaker 4: I was looking into the case and trying to figure
Speaker 4: out what charges were read to the jury that wasn't
Speaker 4: even I think it was one of the lesser includeds.
Speaker 4: But all that to say, I believe that the other
Speaker 4: manslaughter of charge should be refouled.
Speaker 1: Wow, well you heard it here.
Speaker 3: And I guess their attorneys again and making sure that
Speaker 3: we what do you call it, say all the things
Speaker 3: that you are not the attorney, but because you do
Speaker 3: these things all the time, I just thought it was
Speaker 3: a good idea for us to just hear your because
Speaker 3: we just it just makes no sense to us, period,
Speaker 3: Like seems to be clear cut. But I think also
Speaker 3: having the mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, speak
Speaker 3: on this case just days before the jury went out
Speaker 3: or maybe when the jury was being sent to deliberate,
Speaker 3: and he said, you know, I think that the jury
Speaker 3: should really look at this and hopefully they look at
Speaker 3: the evidence closely because people were afraid and whatever other
Speaker 3: things he went on to say, which was basically making
Speaker 3: an excuse for what.
Speaker 1: Daniel Penny did.
Speaker 3: And I think once you have a mayor say something
Speaker 3: like that knowing that it has the ability to what
Speaker 3: do y'all call it prejudice the jury and people say, well,
Speaker 3: the jury's not supposed to be listening to this, and
Speaker 3: that the jury's listening to everything because they you know,
Speaker 3: you tell your family members, don't say nothing, but I'm
Speaker 3: on this case, but don't say anything. And every time
Speaker 3: you get home, what do they do say something?
Speaker 4: Well, my cousin on that trail, and they chastised all
Speaker 4: of the black leaders who went down, and we were
Speaker 4: all there for this. It went down to Minneapolis for
Speaker 4: the George Floyd verdict and they didn't say anything as
Speaker 4: strongly as the mayor said in support of a conviction
Speaker 4: or an acquittable, but they did say I remember Congresswoman
Speaker 4: Barbara Ward, I believe, said some things that people consider provocative,
Speaker 4: like this jury.
Speaker 2: Better get it right.
Speaker 4: And they said, oh my god, that's the worst thing ever.
Speaker 4: That's going to be a mistrial. But you have the
Speaker 4: mayor of this city, uh uh make such such strong
Speaker 4: statements and support of this killer. It's wild to me.
Speaker 2: It's pretty much, you know. I was. I woke up
Speaker 2: today and I posted on my page and I was
Speaker 2: just like, you know, although I'm not surprised, it doesn't
Speaker 2: take away the pain. But every time we see a
Speaker 2: black life loss and you basically tell us that, you know,
Speaker 2: nobody's responsible for just taking this man's life. You know,
Speaker 2: obviously he was dealing with mental health issues. You know,
Speaker 2: it's documented. People are saying, you know that he's never
Speaker 2: harmed any woman.
Speaker 1: Well, no, he has.
Speaker 3: Well I can't say that he has because I don't
Speaker 3: know how these things played out because I never did
Speaker 3: a whole bunch of research to follow it down. But
Speaker 3: I do know that there have been accusations and I
Speaker 3: think in one of them has to do with him
Speaker 3: hitting a woman. So, you know, I just want to
Speaker 3: because he he has, he has had some incident at
Speaker 3: some point, and I believe his family denies that most
Speaker 3: of this stuff is true. But nonetheless, he was troubled.
Speaker 3: He was absolutely troubled.
Speaker 4: He had some run ins for law enforcement. He was
Speaker 4: a known of what very well known street performer or
Speaker 4: if you're in the area. During that period of time
Speaker 4: that he was performing, which is almost the span of
Speaker 4: a decade, probably the span of my career, from being
Speaker 4: a young man to a older man, and yeah, his
Speaker 4: mental health began to deteriorate, like a lot of black
Speaker 4: men in that state, living you know, on the streets
Speaker 4: near poverty, and we don't have any mechanisms are helping
Speaker 4: our mental health community people in mental health crisis. People
Speaker 4: in mental health crisis are sixteen times more likely to
Speaker 4: be killed by the police than the average citizen. And
Speaker 4: I don't appreciate, you know, how our courts have responded
Speaker 4: to victims who are in crisis, particularly when it comes
Speaker 4: to and in this case, I think Penny takes the
Speaker 4: place of law enforcement. But when it comes to law enforcement,
Speaker 4: Penny was treated in this case, well, in this case
Speaker 4: the street like a white man. The problem is law
Speaker 4: enforcement completely different.
Speaker 3: Right he got I mean, if people gave him money
Speaker 3: to support him. It's interesting because I'm not not that
Speaker 3: I want to see this, but I've not I've not
Speaker 3: heard of a white man who's in crisis on the
Speaker 3: train because, by the way, everybody is there. I don't
Speaker 3: know if I see Asians as often as white and
Speaker 3: black folks and Latinos on the train. Who are you know,
Speaker 3: homeless and and I want to say, acting out right,
Speaker 3: I know they probably are there, but obviously they are
Speaker 3: small part of the population, so I don't really see them.
Speaker 3: But white folks, black folks and Latino people all the time.
Speaker 3: You see them going through different things. Some of them nice,
Speaker 3: some of them quiet, some of them not, some of
Speaker 3: them while some of them scary. You see this all
Speaker 3: the time. So you can't tell me that they are
Speaker 3: not white people on the train who do crazy stuff.
Speaker 3: You can't tell me that. But I've never ever, ever,
Speaker 3: ever heard of a black man or a brown man
Speaker 3: choking a white person to death on the train. I've
Speaker 3: never heard of it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and especially I never heard of them not being
Speaker 2: found guilty of direct right if they did it. So
Speaker 2: it's just they're going to jail for it. So you know,
Speaker 2: it's it's very unfortunate, like I was saying, and you know,
Speaker 2: dot matter how many times it happens, it just doesn't
Speaker 2: feel good, you know, And it's just it's just a
Speaker 2: real hard feeling.
Speaker 1: Yeah, it is.
Speaker 2: I just want to know this case I've seen that
Speaker 2: you're working on in Vegas, Yeah, to explain to us
Speaker 2: what happened in that situation.
Speaker 1: Durham.
Speaker 4: Just a few weeks ago, I can't recall the date
Speaker 4: off the top of my head, but just a few
Speaker 4: weeks ago, Brandon Durham called the police to his home
Speaker 4: because he had an intruder. Someone who he said was
Speaker 4: breaking into his home was threatening to shoot up his home.
Speaker 4: When the police came, they saw glass, they saw damage
Speaker 4: done to the outside of the home. They rushed into
Speaker 4: the home. There's about three officers there, the lead officers,
Speaker 4: the officer named Alexander Bookman. He hears screams in the homes.
Speaker 4: They're begging for help. It's the victim, Brandon Durham, begging
Speaker 4: for help. When they find him. He's in the hallway
Speaker 4: in his underwear. He's holding back the assailant who has
Speaker 4: a knife, and he has his arm pinned up against
Speaker 4: the wall. I think it took about one point nine
Speaker 4: seconds between the officers coming through the door and finding
Speaker 4: him in the hallway and shooting Brandon almost about from
Speaker 4: three feet away, shooting them to the ground, and then
Speaker 4: closing the gap, walking at three distance and shooting them
Speaker 4: five more times, killing Brandon.
Speaker 1: And in the police.
Speaker 3: When Brandon called the police, and by the way, it's
Speaker 3: important to mention that his daughter, who's fifteen, was there
Speaker 3: in the house as well, so he was not just
Speaker 3: protecting himself, he was protecting his child from an intruder
Speaker 3: when he called the police. It's my understanding that he
Speaker 3: told them the person had on a red cap or
Speaker 3: read something. So the officer who's now getting the report
Speaker 3: and is approaching this home even if you don't know,
Speaker 3: because you know, my mother always says, if two.
Speaker 1: People are arguing, nobody know who's the fool.
Speaker 3: You think you and the right, but you might look
Speaker 3: just as crazy as the other individual. So let's just
Speaker 3: go by that that two people are fighting. You don't
Speaker 3: really know which person is the assailant. But the person
Speaker 3: who was mentioned in the audio had on red and
Speaker 3: from the looks of the sketches that I saw, this
Speaker 3: woman who was the intruder had a lot of red on.
Speaker 3: So why I don't what is their excuse for why
Speaker 3: they shot him and not her?
Speaker 4: Well, actually gets worse than that. And you know, there's
Speaker 4: two excuses that I thought they could come up with.
Speaker 4: One was accidentally shot the wronger I missed and I
Speaker 4: was going for the right person. The thing that doesn't
Speaker 4: make sense if that was the case is why did
Speaker 4: you close the gap and then shooting them five more times?
Speaker 2: Wow?
Speaker 4: Uh?
Speaker 1: And so that that can't worry that.
Speaker 4: One doesn't work? Uh. The The real issue this is
Speaker 4: something that just came out in the media recently in
Speaker 4: the last couple of days. Is there's now an audio
Speaker 4: recording UH a service call to the same address the
Speaker 4: previous day. Officer Alexander Bookman responded to the call. Officer
Speaker 4: Alexander Bookman knew exactly what Brandon Durham looked like, and
Speaker 4: he knew exactly what the woman looked like.
Speaker 1: Well, so she had been there, she had been there before. Well,
Speaker 1: what was her problem? She's obsessed with them for some reason.
Speaker 4: She was an invited guest in the previous day and
Speaker 4: would refuse to be quorl someome sort and the next
Speaker 4: day she came with a vengeance. So, but that's crazy.
Speaker 4: She had been trespassed by Officer Bookman, not told not
Speaker 4: to come back to the property, and so he had
Speaker 4: every opportunity to know who was the victim and who
Speaker 4: was the assailant, and there was there was never any
Speaker 4: indication that Brandon was the one who's directing violence towards anyone.
Speaker 1: So you're telling you go ahead.
Speaker 2: That's just crazy to me. So they knew who this
Speaker 2: person was.
Speaker 4: He Alexander Brookman, who should be charged with a crime here,
Speaker 4: And I'm not sure what level of man murder, manslaughter
Speaker 4: or that he's responsible for. But he should be arrested immediately.
Speaker 2: So he's never been.
Speaker 4: Questioned, no and question it. And we still don't know
Speaker 4: why he did with it. That's why you say, well,
Speaker 4: what excuses are? Give me not much.
Speaker 2: So his life was taken. Shot the man six times,
Speaker 2: and nobody's been arrested.
Speaker 3: No rest while he was on the ground, he was
Speaker 3: shot five times.
Speaker 4: And you see it on the video, right.
Speaker 1: I didn't watch them.
Speaker 4: So in a lot of cases, we don't get these
Speaker 4: videos because there's the various ways of keeping them from
Speaker 4: the family as well as for the public.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: Here we know exactly what happened, we know who did it,
Speaker 4: we know what information he had when he did it.
Speaker 4: There's no reason. And I sat down with the prosecutor
Speaker 4: for the Metro Nevada area, I believe it's Clark County,
Speaker 4: uh while I was there a few weeks ago, and
Speaker 4: he explained to us the process that, of course is
Speaker 4: under investigation. The Nevada Metro Police Department investigates themselves. There's
Speaker 4: no third party, there's no federal overview, there's no sheriff's
Speaker 4: department that comes in determine whether the use of force
Speaker 4: is correct. The General counsel for the Novata Peda has
Speaker 4: already put out a statement that says there was no
Speaker 4: criminal intent on the part of the book man. He
Speaker 4: just made a mistake. There was no criminal intent. Criminal
Speaker 4: intent is not even the element of any crime.
Speaker 1: To give you.
Speaker 2: But but I started being when you know, the crime happened,
Speaker 2: but that would be.
Speaker 3: Based upon the level of the charge, if criminal intent
Speaker 3: would be like murder versus manslaughter.
Speaker 4: Just before his investigations even began, this was I was
Speaker 4: the first couple of days after the murders. So his
Speaker 4: statement initially as he started his investigation was there was
Speaker 4: no criminal in ten. In other words, I'm not investigating
Speaker 4: this as a crime. They're investigating as an internal fair
Speaker 4: situation to see if he followed the policy right. And
Speaker 4: the policy is, you know, rapidly involving for police in
Speaker 4: terms of use of force, they rapidly involving. There is
Speaker 4: no standard. They get to do almost what they want
Speaker 4: in under the new culture that's sweeping the nation, particularly
Speaker 4: in areas like Nevada. I don't see them charging this officer.
Speaker 3: Yeah, you know, I read somewhere that and I don't
Speaker 3: want to misstate the numbers, but there have been you know,
Speaker 3: more than ten of these types of shootings or police
Speaker 3: involved shootings of black folks in like a short period.
Speaker 2: Of time in this region.
Speaker 1: Yeah, thirteen, thirteen.
Speaker 3: Is the number eight fatal, So you know that's that's
Speaker 3: why he's Attorney Lee Merrit He's like, I know the
Speaker 3: number is, so thirteen, do you have other cases?
Speaker 4: And you know there's countries close to there in a
Speaker 4: reno that we're investigating now, But there's countries, there's entire
Speaker 4: countries with hundreds of thousands of people, millions of people
Speaker 4: that don't have the killing thirteen. Japan doesn't kill thirteen
Speaker 4: people a year, and they have millions of people, highest
Speaker 4: concentrations of poverty in the world, the same drug problems,
Speaker 4: same gang problems we do. They don't have this history
Speaker 4: of violence and.
Speaker 1: Black lives, so can you.
Speaker 3: And we got to make sure to mention Minister Stretch,
Speaker 3: who is one of our Until Freedom organization in Vegas,
Speaker 3: and he has been saying I've been trying to tell
Speaker 3: people that this has happened, and folks are not really interested,
Speaker 3: they're not moving on it. And now I know that
Speaker 3: he's you know, obviously very supportive of Brandon Durham in
Speaker 3: this case and his family. But I want you to
Speaker 3: just talk about with Trump becoming president again, what do
Speaker 3: you think will be the difference. You clearly have you worked,
Speaker 3: you know, you work an attorney when he was president before,
Speaker 3: so you know what the Department of Justice was doing.
Speaker 3: You know what has happened during the Biden administration where
Speaker 3: we've had this powerful sister Kristen Clark as the head
Speaker 3: of the Civil Rights Division of the DOJ, and what
Speaker 3: she has been doing.
Speaker 1: What do you think it will look like now?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's an article out in the Huffington Post written
Speaker 4: by who's the famous coach of the Lakers, coach Kobe Oh. Yeah.
Speaker 4: The author's name is Joe Jackson. That's how I remember,
Speaker 4: and he wrote about the DJ under Biden in the
Speaker 4: strikes we've been able to make and we've seen more
Speaker 4: prosecutions under the Biden DJ. It was always a threat
Speaker 4: that we could bring that we didn't have in the
Speaker 4: earlier parts of this fight. When I said I've been
Speaker 4: doing this decade. The previous decade, we didn't have a
Speaker 4: federal government we could rely and even under the Obama
Speaker 4: administration they have a federal government, we can rely and
Speaker 4: say if you all don't do right here, there's going
Speaker 4: to be federal eyes on this, like we have in
Speaker 4: Decatur right now, like we've had under sister Kristen Clark,
Speaker 4: who is a civil rights lawyer herself a leader in
Speaker 4: our community and has been doing you know, tremendous work
Speaker 4: on the DJ. That's over the DOJ is going to
Speaker 4: be reversed now into almost the opposite of the work
Speaker 4: that she's been up to. And in part of that,
Speaker 4: what Trump has been describing is he wants to offer
Speaker 4: police even more immunity. We've been trying to find ways
Speaker 4: to overcome the qualified community that we enjoy. The qualified
Speaker 4: immunity that I think is a relic of the seventies.
Speaker 4: It was a judicially created doctrine that says officers should
Speaker 4: be free and municipality should be free from even prosecution
Speaker 4: of cases except for when they're blatant they violate some
Speaker 4: clear lying law. You know, something that's blatantly Obviously, it
Speaker 4: doesn't matter that they did the law. They had to
Speaker 4: know they were doing it in some clear lying way.
Speaker 2: Uh.
Speaker 4: And that is caused you know, a great multitude of
Speaker 4: cases to be dismissed before they even get to court. Uh.
Speaker 4: Under the new administrations, they're talking about going even harder,
Speaker 4: harder with that. What I'm particularly concerned, what I see
Speaker 4: happening already is that cut conservative governors are lining up
Speaker 4: with this ideology of almost complete immunity for law enforcement officers.
Speaker 4: So we see even cops who have been convicted like
Speaker 4: Eric devocan Air in Kansas, Missouri, there was another conviction
Speaker 4: of a police officer in Texas. Governor Keyhole has promised
Speaker 4: and that's Mike Keyhole and Missouri has promised to pardon
Speaker 4: Eric de vocan Air for the murder of Cameron lamb Uh.
Speaker 4: The governor of Texas has already began partnering officers has
Speaker 4: used brutal or deadly for us and being convicted by
Speaker 4: jury's uh. And so yeah, we're gonna I think we're
Speaker 4: going to see a new wave. We've been promised a
Speaker 4: new wave of law and order, and we've seen this
Speaker 4: kind of mantra before, uh, an increase.
Speaker 3: In military can I'll ask you a quick question, what
Speaker 3: do you think happens to what I forget the officer's
Speaker 3: name who was just convicted for Breonna Taylor, whatever his
Speaker 3: name is can't think of it at this moment, but
Speaker 3: it doesn't matter name.
Speaker 1: He shall remain faceless. But anyway, do you think.
Speaker 3: Because this is the FEDS, that now Trump can come
Speaker 3: in and part in that officer.
Speaker 4: I think Trump has the authority to come in and
Speaker 4: part in that officer. I think there are a lot
Speaker 4: of convictions or successes that we've had that are under question.
Speaker 4: Jackie Johnson goes to trial on February twenty first as
Speaker 4: the prosecutor who was responsible for covering up a Model
Speaker 4: Arberry's murder. I don't know how far that goes under
Speaker 4: new Trump administration.
Speaker 3: So you almost need these things to happen in the
Speaker 3: state because if they happen on a federal level, So
Speaker 3: you got to know how to do the three card
Speaker 3: Molly right, because you got to know where to put
Speaker 3: your pressure at. During the Obama, I mean, the Biden administration,
Speaker 3: we had to work the resources of the Department and
Speaker 3: Justice because in the states, for the most part, you're
Speaker 3: not going to get in most of the states, but
Speaker 3: some you can.
Speaker 1: But now we've got to.
Speaker 3: Go back to the state pressure because you're not going
Speaker 3: to have a Department of Justice, and so you're going
Speaker 3: to need to make sure that your states is locked
Speaker 3: in and that we deal with it before it even
Speaker 3: has to go to the federal level. If an officer violates,
Speaker 3: I guess I don't know, but it's civil rights. Is
Speaker 3: that something that even matters in the state, the civil
Speaker 3: rights violation?
Speaker 4: Yeah, there's civil rights protections in the states. But because
Speaker 4: your civil rights are protected by the federal Constitution, you're
Speaker 4: going to also bring them in federal court. So they
Speaker 4: should be protected on both levels. But you're right when
Speaker 4: the Feds aren't available. You know, one of the conservative
Speaker 4: mantras during this period of state rights, they want to
Speaker 4: give power back to the states. Unfortunately, in the court
Speaker 4: that generally means the Feds can't have this review of
Speaker 4: some of the racist actions that the judiciary actually takes
Speaker 4: either white jurys, jurors all white jury's, or you know,
Speaker 4: a very conservative bench. But there are ways to overcome
Speaker 4: that on the state level. I think that that's the
Speaker 4: new strategy under this administration.
Speaker 2: It's gonna be a rough one man. We're gonna gotta
Speaker 2: buckle up basically, So any other cases of things you
Speaker 2: want to discuss, because we know we got you gotta
Speaker 2: run and we love the fact that you came my brother.
Speaker 2: It's always good to be with you. This is one
Speaker 2: of the guys that's been on the front line with us.
Speaker 2: Like when we say that, when I talk about individuals
Speaker 2: and people that I know fight for our people, you
Speaker 2: one of the first names that always come. Tom. You know,
Speaker 2: you was out there with us with Brionna Taylor on
Speaker 2: the front lines making sure that we were safe and
Speaker 2: you was putting. You had skinning again. So I love
Speaker 2: I love you really for that. But just let us
Speaker 2: know anything else you want to know before you gotta go.
Speaker 4: Shouted a couple of names we just recognized five years
Speaker 4: since the murder of Cameron Lamb. His the officer who
Speaker 4: murdered Cameron Lamb in Kansas City five years ago. His
Speaker 4: name is Eric de Vaucanair. He's in prison today. It
Speaker 4: was a great success for us in twenty twenty one
Speaker 4: that is under threat of being overturned. So anybody with
Speaker 4: a voice of Missouri, everyone should be speaking out to
Speaker 4: Governor Mike Keyhole telling him not to pardon Eric de
Speaker 4: volcan there. And you know, we're still looking for justice
Speaker 4: for Steve Perkins Indicatur. It's pretty soon we have Andrew
Speaker 4: Lester's trout coming up. A lot of people don't know
Speaker 4: Andrew Lester's name, but Ralph Yarl was a sixteen year
Speaker 4: old in Missouri who rang the wrong doorbell. He has
Speaker 4: been saying that he wasn't competent to Stan Trout, and
Speaker 4: a judge a couple of weeks ago just determined that
Speaker 4: he was competent to stand Trout. He will stand Trout
Speaker 4: in February for shooting Ralph Yer. I want to see
Speaker 4: him go to prison. So those are the things I'm
Speaker 4: focusing on right now. And you know, continue to help
Speaker 4: work with you the people to do the work.
Speaker 3: I said, thank you. You are an honorary until Freedom leader.
Speaker 3: Appreciate and we appreciate you for coming by eternally married.
Speaker 3: We had a good time last night at a gala,
Speaker 3: the Metro Manhattan Gala, which is my Links chapter. And
Speaker 3: then all of a sudden, Lee disappeared.
Speaker 4: That's what But that's all right.
Speaker 3: Na, But that's okay. Go home, get on the phone,
Speaker 3: talk to your family.
Speaker 1: That's what you do.
Speaker 4: I love being in Harlem. It was a night to
Speaker 4: honor Harlem, and I had the chance to stay at
Speaker 4: the Renaissance Harlem, hotel as a big history mouse history major.
Speaker 4: I just love being in that community.
Speaker 1: It's a good time.
Speaker 3: My chapters, my chapter is Gala is absolutely the most
Speaker 3: fabulous of the entire like links linked them right, and
Speaker 3: and and and and and there's others. There's others that
Speaker 3: have very fabulous occasions. But Metro Manhattan, we do it.
Speaker 1: We do it big. What was the name of the
Speaker 1: place at the Atchipriani Wall Street?
Speaker 4: Wall Street where I left my overcoat?
Speaker 1: Did you get it back?
Speaker 4: Get?
Speaker 1: Oh?
Speaker 3: I don't know how you're going to do that. We
Speaker 3: should go get an ascendency.
Speaker 2: Thanks shout out to brother Attorney Lee Merit. You know,
Speaker 2: it's always good to get his perspective and his expertise
Speaker 2: when we talk about these cases, you know, because I
Speaker 2: woke up a little down, you know, just looking at
Speaker 2: this Jordan Nilly situation and Daniel Penny actually being acquitted
Speaker 2: of that. It just was It's like, it's such a thing,
Speaker 2: you like, so you're trying to tell me that you
Speaker 2: could just a regular citizen and just choke somebody, stop
Speaker 2: them from breathing, and there's no accountability because you thought
Speaker 2: they were Like I just don't understand, but why don't
Speaker 2: we have that kind of you know, Carblanc of Grace,
Speaker 2: I've never seen think you might do something I have
Speaker 2: never see. I will understand that if somebody can tell
Speaker 2: me where a black person literally took someone's life right
Speaker 2: because they thought nobody touched them, did anything, because they
Speaker 2: thought that they were going to do something and there
Speaker 2: was no accountability. I'm not saying that they should get
Speaker 2: the harshest charges. I'm not saying they do to go
Speaker 2: to jail forever, but this should be some level of
Speaker 2: accountability if you take a citizen's life. It just to me,
Speaker 2: it just I don't even understand it. But this is
Speaker 2: where we live at. This is a time when you know,
Speaker 2: unfortunately that's what happened. But once again shut out to
Speaker 2: Lee Marri.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I was just gonna say.
Speaker 3: Lee mentioned that the reports said that Jordan nearly said
Speaker 3: he was willing to kill somebody or die or something
Speaker 3: like that. It felt like something like that. He also
Speaker 3: said he was hungry. He also said he wanted food
Speaker 3: and water, he was hungry, and he was tired.
Speaker 1: He also said those things.
Speaker 3: And it's funny that in this society, the one thing
Speaker 3: that he said around you know, wanting to kill himself.
Speaker 1: That got attention. That got attention.
Speaker 3: There was a response, I wanted to die whatever, kill
Speaker 3: kill whatever.
Speaker 1: He said.
Speaker 3: That got attention, and that was addressed by people, not
Speaker 3: just one person who choked him to death, but another
Speaker 3: person who helped to hold him down, right, because remember
Speaker 3: there was another guy there who's a Latino man who
Speaker 3: helped to hold him down. And then of course you
Speaker 3: have Jordan Neely who choked him to death. I mean,
Speaker 3: excuse me, Daniel Penny who choked Jordan nearly to death.
Speaker 3: So that got addressed. But how we addressed the other
Speaker 3: things he said, which is what has him in the
Speaker 3: train station in the first place, which is what has
Speaker 3: led to his mental health deterioration, and the deterioration of
Speaker 3: the mental health of people who even have houses, people
Speaker 3: who actually have somewhere to live, are dealing with the
Speaker 3: same crisis of I'm hungry, I'm thirsty, and I'm tired,
Speaker 3: and that doesn't get addressed. But he certainly was murdered.
Speaker 3: In my judgment, it is not just a miscarriage of justice.
Speaker 3: It is an injustice that will only spread because these people,
Speaker 3: these white folks, are being emboldened to believe that anything
Speaker 3: they do to us is just okay. And you know,
Speaker 3: I feel like the Mayor of New York City, Eric Adams, saying,
Speaker 3: you know, from the beginning, from day one, when the
Speaker 3: incident first happened, Eric was out of pocket. The mayor
Speaker 3: was completely out of pocket immediately, didn't even know what happened.
Speaker 1: But he has also criminalized people who are houseless.
Speaker 3: He has criminalized people and put the scarlets letter on
Speaker 3: the backs of some.
Speaker 1: I'm not one hundred percent against.
Speaker 3: The idea that we have to remove people from our
Speaker 3: streets who are living houseless, right. I believe that that
Speaker 3: is true, that we have to have some way of
Speaker 3: bringing these people in. What I want to see is
Speaker 3: what are the resources that we intend to offer these individuals,
Speaker 3: especially it has.
Speaker 1: To be a mental health weakening.
Speaker 3: Just to be houseless in general, to be a part
Speaker 3: of an unheard, un respected, untreated, I don't even know
Speaker 3: all the things. Just like they're like a people that
Speaker 3: don't exist. They're like invisible people. We see them, we
Speaker 3: step over them, we complain about them, but actually addressing
Speaker 3: the deep needs of people who are living in these
Speaker 3: situations or houseless individuals. I don't think anybody is doing
Speaker 3: the best job that we could do as a society
Speaker 3: to address that. So when we start talking about either
Speaker 3: arresting and or you know, rounding up people who are
Speaker 3: homeless and putting them somewhere, and we're not saying, well,
Speaker 3: before we even round people up, we're gonna have I
Speaker 3: don't know, ten weekends of asking people to volunteer their services.
Speaker 3: We're going out, We're feeding, we're going to do mental
Speaker 3: health checks, we're gonna talk, we're gonna do, We're gonna
Speaker 3: go out just like they have the rats. Are who's
Speaker 3: out there working in communities looking at what are the
Speaker 3: things that's causing the infestation in different communities In New York.
Speaker 3: We should be on a ten week go out work
Speaker 3: work together, not just city agencies, but regular people.
Speaker 1: Who have.
Speaker 3: A psychiatric backgrounds and you know, their doctors and therapists
Speaker 3: and people who can feed people, and people who can
Speaker 3: do intervention program and we should be out there trying
Speaker 3: to figure that out so that you don't have a
Speaker 3: Jordan Neely who comes on the train to say, I'm hungry,
Speaker 3: I'm thirsty, and I'm ready to die, I'm ready to kill.
Speaker 3: We need to figure out how to get in front
Speaker 3: of that, and I just feel like, you know, we
Speaker 3: don't do enough. Something this right here represents for me
Speaker 3: something is wrong, right, Like Jordan nearly not receiving justice
Speaker 3: is just wrong.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and jordanillly not receiving the help he needed prior.
Speaker 3: To even which is the real injustice.
Speaker 2: Right, Like when you see someone like Jordan, and when
Speaker 2: I go on the train and I look at like
Speaker 2: you see the houseless individuals on there, and you do
Speaker 2: you see the levels of mental health Like I sit
Speaker 2: on trains, Like I told you, I was on the
Speaker 2: train one day and the guy was sitting across me
Speaker 2: and he was obviously dealing with levels of mental health,
Speaker 2: and he was talking, he was aggressive, and I didn't
Speaker 2: grab the man and choke him to death, right because
Speaker 2: I realized that if he was dealing with something right
Speaker 2: and this should and I think there should be, you know,
Speaker 2: mental health officials that work on the train.
Speaker 1: I think they have something. They have something.
Speaker 3: They do have something, but it's not like it's not
Speaker 3: it can just be better.
Speaker 1: And perhaps.
Speaker 3: They do have they have Yeah, they have programs where
Speaker 3: people are out there working one to one with police officers.
Speaker 1: They're on the trains.
Speaker 3: Even the mayor rides the train and they try to
Speaker 3: talk to people. But like I said, the robust nature
Speaker 3: of what's needed, right, they say all the time. If
Speaker 3: you want to know a man's priorities, look at where
Speaker 3: he spends his money. If the police budget is more
Speaker 3: than all the other agencies combined, basically, I think education
Speaker 3: might be one of the biggest budgets. But when we've
Speaker 3: looked in the past, we're talking six billion, maybe even
Speaker 3: more than that. Now that's going to policing. Right If
Speaker 3: you take a portion of that money for the militarized
Speaker 3: operation of policing, which we already know means that they
Speaker 3: show up for the most part, after some shit has already.
Speaker 1: Happened in your community.
Speaker 3: If we take a portion of that money and really
Speaker 3: double down on and invest in mental health services and
Speaker 3: addressing the needs of Again, it's not just houseless individuals,
Speaker 3: because mental.
Speaker 1: Health is going on.
Speaker 3: It's people who are living in someone's home right now,
Speaker 3: and the other people are afraid. The other people in
Speaker 3: the house are being tortured because there's a son or
Speaker 3: a father, or uncle or aunt or a sister or
Speaker 3: someone in the house who has a severe mental health issue.
Speaker 3: When they can get them to take their medicine, they're cool,
Speaker 3: but then other times they're not. I just told you
Speaker 3: the story about in my family, there's a man who
Speaker 3: was a chef for us during our family occasions in
Speaker 3: North Carolina. And you know, in fact, I just saw
Speaker 3: him in August, September whatever Labor Day.
Speaker 1: DoD Man.
Speaker 3: Amazing man, an older man, but he loved to have
Speaker 3: a good time and he was the best, the best
Speaker 3: on the grill, fit fried fish, whatever you want, you
Speaker 3: hire him. But he also was like a church going man.
Speaker 3: He has his wife, the two of them, I think
Speaker 3: they might have been choir members and deacons, like doing
Speaker 3: what they're supposed to be doing, good members of society.
Speaker 3: Their family member, it may have been their grandson, but
Speaker 3: it also could be a nephew. Had some mental health
Speaker 3: issues and has been dealing with it his entire life.
Speaker 3: His family has attempted to get him the type of
Speaker 3: help that he needs. When he's off his medicine, he's
Speaker 3: in the worst situation. But when he's on his medicine,
Speaker 3: he's still problematic. This guy is like, you know, everybody
Speaker 3: knows it. Family, everybody knows about the things that he's
Speaker 3: done in the past. I think I heard that he
Speaker 3: even harmed the dog. And generally, when you have somebody
Speaker 3: that's harming animals, it is an indication that they need
Speaker 3: some like real serious help.
Speaker 1: Right, So he's done those things.
Speaker 3: And just a few weeks ago when his grandparents uncle,
Speaker 3: let's just say grandparents for the point of the story,
Speaker 3: when they got home from church, ambushed them and shot
Speaker 3: them to death, to old people, shot them to death,
Speaker 3: took their vehicle, went and their money, and went to
Speaker 3: a hotel and was kind of chilling in the same town.
Speaker 1: He didn't even run.
Speaker 3: This goes to show you his mindset. He didn't even
Speaker 3: run one hundred miles away. He was in the vicinity
Speaker 3: and they found him. So this is so what I'm
Speaker 3: saying is he wasn't houseless. He lived somewhere.
Speaker 2: But this mental health. Yeah, mental health is a big
Speaker 2: issue man. Yeah. You know, my condolencens and apologies go
Speaker 2: out to Jordan Neeli's family. You know, it must be
Speaker 2: a hard day today to wake up and just see
Speaker 2: that no one will be held accountable for taking the
Speaker 2: life for your loved one.
Speaker 1: So terrible, terrible.
Speaker 2: So that brings me to my I don't get it today.
Speaker 2: So there's been a civil rights, a civil lawsuit filed
Speaker 2: against jay Z that claims that he, along with Puff,
Speaker 2: allegedly violated a thirteen year old girl. And you know,
Speaker 2: and and Jay's response was immediately like, this is not
Speaker 2: what you want to deal with it, like, we don't
Speaker 2: do stuff like that. We help children and we protect
Speaker 2: children here and you're gonna find out. So he adamantly
Speaker 2: has denied. But what I don't get right, And I'm
Speaker 2: all for justice. I'm all for if a woman was violated,
Speaker 2: if anybody was if anybody was violated, if you did something,
Speaker 2: you need to be held accountable. Like there's no doubt
Speaker 2: in my mind if these things are true, they need
Speaker 2: to be. But at this point for me, right just
Speaker 2: looking at what's going on with Puff, they're over. They're
Speaker 2: hundreds of these lawsuits being filed right and the era
Speaker 2: that we're in right now, once the lawsuit is filed,
Speaker 2: ninety percent of people were in what you did it?
Speaker 2: Anyway before Jay was his name was even in anything,
Speaker 2: there was people wishing it all. Yeah, yeah, I know, Jay,
Speaker 2: He's not what protects anybody from someone just filing the lawsuit? Right,
Speaker 2: What is the process? What is after you? After you
Speaker 2: decide that you you fil in the lawsuit that allegedly
Speaker 2: happened twenty four years ago, and not saying it didn't,
Speaker 2: not saying it did. Right, But once this gets into
Speaker 2: the social media, once it gets into the media, once
Speaker 2: it gets picked up, whether it's true, whether it's false,
Speaker 2: what happens to the individual? Like, how how do you
Speaker 2: how do us as males, especially males, protect ourself against
Speaker 2: something like this? But what is what is the what
Speaker 2: is the mechanism that we're supposed to use to protect
Speaker 2: ourself if somebody decides, if you're a billionaire and someone
Speaker 2: decides that they're gonna file file a civil suit against you,
Speaker 2: what is how do you protect yourself? What are you
Speaker 2: supposed to do? Like, what are you supposed to do
Speaker 2: if you don't say nothing? Right? If you decide you
Speaker 2: know that you you want it to go away? You
Speaker 2: know if you say that you you're trying to settle
Speaker 2: out of court. It's too much.
Speaker 1: You and.
Speaker 3: Lee Marriages told us off camera that it would be
Speaker 3: called a nuisance.
Speaker 2: You can't do that because that means.
Speaker 3: That you media online people.
Speaker 2: Exactly and now once you're now puff is dealing with
Speaker 2: all this stuff already, so now you attach your name
Speaker 2: to that, so now you got to deal with it,
Speaker 2: whether it's true or not. Like what what what are
Speaker 2: we supposed to do in this moment? I just don't
Speaker 2: know because I'm just confused at because every day it's
Speaker 2: just a new it's just a new this, and it's
Speaker 2: a new that. What I don't get is, as a
Speaker 2: man in this society, in the social media society, how
Speaker 2: do you protect yourself against allegations against a lawsuit, whether
Speaker 2: it's true, if it's not true, if it's not true,
Speaker 2: and someone decides that they that you have money and
Speaker 2: you and they want to sue you, what do we
Speaker 2: do to protect ourselves? Men like I don't understand. I
Speaker 2: don't get it because now and I don't even see
Speaker 2: their allegations, right, their allegations are not saying they're false,
Speaker 2: and I saying, but there's nothing to completely tie anything
Speaker 2: to anything. If you was in a if you happen
Speaker 2: to be in a party that I was fifteen years ago,
Speaker 2: and they could prove that you was in a party,
Speaker 2: then now they could make an allegation that said I
Speaker 2: just I could have never even tested you I probably
Speaker 2: don't even know who you are, right, and most of
Speaker 2: these lawyers will take the case, especially because what's going
Speaker 2: on with you know, Puff right now, and if you
Speaker 2: attach anything to Puff right now, everybody assumes that it's true.
Speaker 2: So how are people supposed to protect themselves in this moment?
Speaker 3: Well, I want to say that first off, it's not
Speaker 3: only just we have to really zoom ourselves out. And know,
Speaker 3: I'm not saying Bill Cosby was buying NBC. That's not
Speaker 3: what I'm talking about out. I'm saying that it's more
Speaker 3: than just people with allegations because you have money, because
Speaker 3: you can have no money, and if it has been
Speaker 3: decided that you were either a problem or that it
Speaker 3: is time to shut you down, there can be allegations
Speaker 3: and a concerted effort to destroy your reputation. So let's
Speaker 3: just make sure we put that on the wall so
Speaker 3: that it's not just about individual people, but there is
Speaker 3: an actual culture of attempting to destroy not just men
Speaker 3: but women also, but just different ways in which they
Speaker 3: come at us.
Speaker 1: They call you you could be a.
Speaker 3: One day racist or anti Semitic or whatever, and then
Speaker 3: that has the ability to ruin your reputation.
Speaker 1: Reputation.
Speaker 3: Then on the other side, sexual or excuse me, on
Speaker 3: the other side, violations. So there's so many stealing money
Speaker 3: from an organization, there's so many things that can come
Speaker 3: at different individuals who are seen to be either too
Speaker 3: powerful or too problematic, or too loud or too whatever.
Speaker 1: So that's one thing.
Speaker 3: On the other hand, though, there are real victims out
Speaker 3: here who and there has been a culture, a culture
Speaker 3: that's existed of people being able to get away with
Speaker 3: violating young people and women and even men, which by
Speaker 3: the way, that's the untold story that there are many
Speaker 3: men who've been violated and that never gets dealt with
Speaker 3: because of again a culture of keep it to yourself,
Speaker 3: don't talk about it, family business, or a man should
Speaker 3: never show the weakness of vulnerability of these things happening
Speaker 3: to him. So you have a lot of that, and
Speaker 3: that culture exists, and I think what we're seeing right
Speaker 3: now is an attempt to right side it right, and
Speaker 3: it puts a lot of people in the cross. Here
Speaker 3: is what I mean by that is, as soon as
Speaker 3: you say you might soign and you say that today
Speaker 3: you know someone from production touched you the wrong way
Speaker 3: and you feel uncomfortable because people are so ready to
Speaker 3: fight against these things, this norm that has let folks
Speaker 3: just be your story never gets told or you not
Speaker 3: believe everybody's like, Yep, it happened. It happened because we're
Speaker 3: in the process of like fighting against an old way
Speaker 3: of existing that has to change now.
Speaker 2: But what I'm when I hear what you're saying, but
Speaker 2: you don't think that this becomes even more Danma, Well,
Speaker 2: no I'm not.
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's not dangerous. It's what I'm
Speaker 1: just trying to.
Speaker 2: Say, are we going to replace one thing that we
Speaker 2: figured absolutely with something that.
Speaker 3: And I agree with you one hundred percent, And I'm
Speaker 3: not saying that it's right. I'm saying that people need
Speaker 3: to understand the moment that we're in and why so
Speaker 3: many people immediately jump to like yeah, yeah, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: because we're so used to this culture existing where you
Speaker 3: can't you can't even tell your story because you get
Speaker 3: looked that crazy about why you would even try to
Speaker 3: disrupt the life of somebody who's a public figure. And
Speaker 3: so you got so many people and then you, of
Speaker 3: course you got your third layer, which is just haters
Speaker 3: that just love like they they have been trying their
Speaker 3: best to bring jay Z into this situation or find
Speaker 3: something on him that makes him to be this big,
Speaker 3: bad wolf.
Speaker 1: I hear it all the time. People say to.
Speaker 3: Me, Oh, yeah, y'all was working with rock Nation, rock Nation.
Speaker 3: I mean Tory Lane's father, rock Nation did it? Everybody
Speaker 3: rock Nation Jay. And I think a part of it
Speaker 3: is that Jay and Beyonce don't speak much to anybody
Speaker 3: about anything, and so that makes people upset too, because
Speaker 3: they want you to put yourself in the media all
Speaker 3: the time so they can beat up on you, gash
Speaker 3: you up, then drag you down like this is what
Speaker 3: they want to do. And when you don't talk much
Speaker 3: or you don't make yourself vulnerable in that way, people
Speaker 3: be grabbing that straws looking for anything. So anytime somebody
Speaker 3: says Jay did it, you're gonna have all these people
Speaker 3: who automatically jump on it. And that just goes along
Speaker 3: with the territory and it happens to you on a
Speaker 3: different level.
Speaker 1: I see it all the time.
Speaker 3: As soon as you say good morning on your social
Speaker 3: media and they go to work, Oh, your cab driver
Speaker 3: and what else? They they all kinds of things. Where's
Speaker 3: the money from? BLM whatever. They do it all the time.
Speaker 3: So there is a culture out there of two things.
Speaker 3: People who really want to see victims get the support
Speaker 3: that they deserve, and then people who are just haters
Speaker 3: and they just have nothing else to do with their
Speaker 3: time except to try to tear other people down. But
Speaker 3: then there's this other piece when you talk about the
Speaker 3: protections and see Jay is in a place where they're
Speaker 3: gonna fight until the last day. If you never heard
Speaker 3: him speak, you gonna hear him speak now because he's
Speaker 3: not about to let people play with his name at all.
Speaker 1: And I hope that what.
Speaker 3: Is being said, I hope that half of the stuff,
Speaker 3: in more than half. I hope that ninety percent of
Speaker 3: the things that they're saying about Puff is not true,
Speaker 3: that it's unfounded or whatever. I really pray and hope that,
Speaker 3: because it's hard when you know these people and you
Speaker 3: sit with them, you love them, and you looking at
Speaker 3: them and it's like, damn, you could have done this.
Speaker 1: It's crazy.
Speaker 3: So I hope that these things are not true. But
Speaker 3: at the same time, they have the resources to fight.
Speaker 3: They have the resources to fight, they have the resources
Speaker 3: to have the lawyers to go back and forth and they.
Speaker 1: Are going to and we know for sure that Jay
Speaker 1: is gonna be on.
Speaker 3: Ten fighting against allegations from twenty four years ago that
Speaker 3: he did something to a thirteen year old child. Other
Speaker 3: people don't have the same resources, and that it does mean.
Speaker 1: It means that.
Speaker 3: Number one, you it puts you at a disadvantage, but
Speaker 3: it also means, in my judgment, that you have to
Speaker 3: be very careful where you are, who you're with, and
Speaker 3: what you're engaged in. You have to be very careful because,
Speaker 3: like you said, just being in the room, what happened
Speaker 3: on Love and Hip Hop, the girl said, Oh, you
Speaker 3: bought a drink for me at the bar Tim in
Speaker 3: DC's and it's like, what the hell are you talking about?
Speaker 3: All of this ruckets has been caused over I bought
Speaker 3: a drink from you?
Speaker 1: And the thing, so wouldn't you go to the bar?
Speaker 1: What do you do?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: But but but the assumption or the what was built
Speaker 3: out what played out in that moment is as if
Speaker 3: when he went to the bar and bought the drink,
Speaker 3: he was also in there and doing something else that's
Speaker 3: in appropriate. And so that's what to your point, this
Speaker 3: is why Denzel Washington said a certain time of night,
Speaker 3: it's time for you to go home, because once the
Speaker 3: party energy shifts, if you're there, you and you on
Speaker 3: the camera. Nowadays, you don't even doesn't even have to
Speaker 3: be proof that you did the thing you just needed.
Speaker 1: They just need to prove you was in the room.
Speaker 3: So os I would say that you have to be
Speaker 3: very mindful of who you are with, where you are,
Speaker 3: who's around, because you never know when just being in
Speaker 3: a certain space can have you wrapped up in something
Speaker 3: that has absolutely nothing.
Speaker 1: To do with you. So we'll see.
Speaker 3: I mean, you know, we never want to be on
Speaker 3: this show or in our lives those two say what
Speaker 3: someone did or didn't do. I wasn't there twenty four
Speaker 3: years ago to see whether or not this a violation
Speaker 3: happened or not.
Speaker 1: I was not there.
Speaker 3: What I do know is that in my time of
Speaker 3: being around and dealing very closely with the culture of
Speaker 3: like how jay Z operates, just seeing him being around him,
Speaker 3: it is very difficult for me to believe that he
Speaker 3: did something to abuse a child's That's like it's stretching far.
Speaker 1: And so I'm with him. You got to prove this
Speaker 1: and that's it.
Speaker 2: Yeah, you know, you know it's just it's just disheartening,
Speaker 2: like every day just keep on here and and it's
Speaker 2: more disheartening just to see that people immediately just convict you,
Speaker 2: like you just you go to these pages and you
Speaker 2: look on it and you be like, damn, it's hundreds
Speaker 2: of people just like yeah, yeah, get them, get them,
Speaker 2: take them, take them down. They need to go do this,
Speaker 2: this and this. Just like, how did we get to
Speaker 2: a culture where we celebrate the demise of everything like
Speaker 2: we watched, we celebrated these people, you know, like jay
Speaker 2: Z said it himself, he said they're good. He said,
Speaker 2: they good night you with the same knife that they
Speaker 2: knight you, the sword that they knight you with. So
Speaker 2: it's like they build you up. They watch you come
Speaker 2: from the bottom. They want to see you become successful,
Speaker 2: and they'll be like yeah, they patter in their life
Speaker 2: after you and they're like, yo, he did this and
Speaker 2: he did this, and then they can't wait to see
Speaker 2: you fall. And it's like it's crazy. It's like it's
Speaker 2: a real it's a real harsh reality that we're in
Speaker 2: times where that's celebrated, where people with the people who
Speaker 2: want to see you fall from grace have the biggest voices,
Speaker 2: like they have the loudest voice, they got the biggest megaphones.
Speaker 2: You go on Instagram, you go on YouTube, and they
Speaker 2: can't wait. It's millions of people. They got millions of
Speaker 2: followers and they just talking about how they can't wait
Speaker 2: to see you go down and they know you did
Speaker 2: this and they don't know shit, and they got millions
Speaker 2: of people that's following them that can't that's feeding off
Speaker 2: that energy. They tune in every day to just hear
Speaker 2: the negativity about you and hear how something's wrong about
Speaker 2: you and how you do is something wrong. It's that shit.
Speaker 2: Is is so weird to me because I've never been
Speaker 2: that type of individual. I don't want to see nobody lose.
Speaker 2: I don't want to see anybody, you know, fall, I
Speaker 2: don't want to do that. So seeing knowing that there's
Speaker 2: a world not even just there's a world full of people, yeah,
Speaker 2: that thrive off that shit, it's unbelievable to me.
Speaker 3: It's true, man, one hundred percent, one hundred percent. Trust me,
Speaker 3: as you know, I've been there, I've dealt with it,
Speaker 3: and it is very, very, very very and you get
Speaker 3: thrown into stuff that ain't even about you again, because
Speaker 3: I don't. I never been I've never seen the bank
Speaker 3: account for BLM. I never been to the BLM office.
Speaker 3: I never stayed in the houses that they speak of.
Speaker 3: I don't know anything about the business of BLM except
Speaker 3: what I have been told by asking individuals who do know,
Speaker 3: and you know, particularly the three sisters who led that
Speaker 3: work put you, Trees, Opal and Alicia, you know, other
Speaker 3: than you know what information I was able to gather
Speaker 3: from them. I ain't never been there, but I get
Speaker 3: accused and positioned with that all the time.
Speaker 2: Even when you look at that situation, right, even when
Speaker 2: you're accused of And once again, I don't know anything.
Speaker 3: Now, we do know some stuff, and we know that
Speaker 3: multiple allegations against them are false.
Speaker 2: That's what I'm saying. I know that because I know that.
Speaker 2: But as far as the details of when it was there,
Speaker 2: and who was there and where money, those are things
Speaker 2: that I learned and I did research on, but I
Speaker 2: wasn't personally there to be able to speak on behalf
Speaker 2: of it. Right. But what I know is this, right,
Speaker 2: I know we have a sitting president that's been convicted
Speaker 2: of crimes that millions of people are telling you is bullshit, right,
Speaker 2: And I also know that Black Lives Matter has never
Speaker 2: been charged with a crime. Where everybody's telling you that
Speaker 2: they did something. Millions what millions of people are telling
Speaker 2: you that they did something. They never been charged with nothing,
Speaker 2: never convicted or nothing, And people are telling you that
Speaker 2: they the worst people in the world. But we got
Speaker 2: a president that's been charged, convicted, settled out of court,
Speaker 2: paid money, all type of shit, and they tell you
Speaker 2: it's all bullshit. Go figure man. That brings us to
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