1 00:00:00,240 --> 00:00:15,400 Speaker 1: Ridiculous History is a production of I Heart Radio. Ye 2 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,800 Speaker 1: welcome back to the show, Ridiculous Historians. Thank you, as 3 00:00:29,880 --> 00:00:33,199 Speaker 1: always so much for tuning in. Let's give it up 4 00:00:33,240 --> 00:00:36,519 Speaker 1: for the breakout star of our program, super producer, the 5 00:00:36,560 --> 00:00:41,560 Speaker 1: one and only Mr Max Williams. Kids Going Places, Kid's 6 00:00:41,600 --> 00:00:44,600 Speaker 1: Going Places. This podcast they think just might work out 7 00:00:44,640 --> 00:00:49,200 Speaker 1: for him. Uh they call me Ben, you're Noel and Noel. Uh, 8 00:00:49,240 --> 00:00:52,720 Speaker 1: this is I think a special episode for us. It's 9 00:00:52,760 --> 00:00:56,800 Speaker 1: one that we've been pretty excited about. I almost don't 10 00:00:56,840 --> 00:00:59,520 Speaker 1: want to spoil it? Should we just? Okay, let's just 11 00:00:59,560 --> 00:01:02,360 Speaker 1: talk about this. Well, it's in the title. People probably 12 00:01:02,400 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: gotta have at least an inkling as to what's going 13 00:01:04,520 --> 00:01:08,279 Speaker 1: I thought, yeah, yeah, a lot of possible to spoil 14 00:01:08,360 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: reality television, though, I mean, I guess it is. You know, 15 00:01:10,800 --> 00:01:15,040 Speaker 1: that's all. There's moments, there's cliffhangers, there's big reveals. Yeah, 16 00:01:15,080 --> 00:01:17,320 Speaker 1: it's you know, it's just another form of drama. Right 17 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:20,800 Speaker 1: before we get to our big reveal today, folks, we 18 00:01:20,840 --> 00:01:23,320 Speaker 1: do need to point out that, uh, this is an 19 00:01:23,319 --> 00:01:26,800 Speaker 1: episode about reality television. If you which can be divisive, 20 00:01:26,920 --> 00:01:29,759 Speaker 1: if you hate reality television, you're gonna have fun here 21 00:01:29,840 --> 00:01:33,399 Speaker 1: still if you love it, you're going to hopefully still 22 00:01:33,440 --> 00:01:36,000 Speaker 1: have fun. Because love it or hate it, reality TV 23 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:40,720 Speaker 1: is one of the most popular television formats on the planet. 24 00:01:41,280 --> 00:01:45,600 Speaker 1: It's also, you'll hear it called incorporate parlance unscripted programming, 25 00:01:45,720 --> 00:01:49,400 Speaker 1: just meaning that performers involved aren't really working from a 26 00:01:49,520 --> 00:01:54,840 Speaker 1: script in theory. Uh. Today there are countless different versions 27 00:01:55,080 --> 00:01:58,680 Speaker 1: of this sort of thing, and every subject or genre imaginable, 28 00:01:58,760 --> 00:02:01,000 Speaker 1: from like the hazards of law of the surviving in 29 00:02:01,040 --> 00:02:04,200 Speaker 1: the wild to cooking to hunting ghosts. But how do 30 00:02:04,280 --> 00:02:09,320 Speaker 1: we get here? Today's question? What's the history of reality television? Nol? 31 00:02:09,400 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: I think it's time for our first big reveal. Oh yeah, 32 00:02:12,320 --> 00:02:15,040 Speaker 1: other things of love too, Right, there's hazards, there's rocks, 33 00:02:15,600 --> 00:02:18,399 Speaker 1: there's lots lots of lots of love related ones. But yeah, 34 00:02:18,440 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 1: big reveal. Uh? Is that the history of reality television 35 00:02:22,320 --> 00:02:25,440 Speaker 1: unscripted as you coyly referred to it as well, well, 36 00:02:25,480 --> 00:02:29,680 Speaker 1: let me know, is referred to as is ridiculous. It's absurd. Uh, 37 00:02:29,720 --> 00:02:32,760 Speaker 1: It's not just a little bit divisive for a good reason. 38 00:02:33,000 --> 00:02:36,080 Speaker 1: It's like wrestling, but only I think some people don't 39 00:02:36,480 --> 00:02:41,399 Speaker 1: know that it's not entirely real. Hey kfebe hashtag KFB Yeah, 40 00:02:41,560 --> 00:02:43,080 Speaker 1: whatever that means. I don't know what that is? What 41 00:02:43,120 --> 00:02:46,400 Speaker 1: do is cap? Yeah, it's good, it's good, it'll land 42 00:02:46,520 --> 00:02:50,440 Speaker 1: for some people. It's it's it's the idea of maintain 43 00:02:50,520 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: the illusion. But that's not the big reveal. All the 44 00:02:53,560 --> 00:02:57,040 Speaker 1: big reveal is that we're not going into this alone? Right? 45 00:02:57,440 --> 00:02:59,680 Speaker 1: How could we? How could we ever venture into these 46 00:02:59,760 --> 00:03:03,000 Speaker 1: dark waters? A low? No. Today, we are thrilled to 47 00:03:03,120 --> 00:03:05,400 Speaker 1: be joined with our very special guest and good friend, 48 00:03:05,440 --> 00:03:08,200 Speaker 1: Anna hosting, A who produces tons of shows here at 49 00:03:08,200 --> 00:03:11,000 Speaker 1: I Heeart, including Daily Zeitgeist. She's the creator and co 50 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:14,919 Speaker 1: host Definitely Ambiguous, the founder of the fantastic I Heart 51 00:03:15,200 --> 00:03:19,440 Speaker 1: Next Up initiative, which gives opportunities to young podcasters from 52 00:03:20,040 --> 00:03:23,640 Speaker 1: various backgrounds and underserved demographics, and of course, a regular 53 00:03:23,680 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: contributor and producer of Will you accept this? Rose? Anna? 54 00:03:27,120 --> 00:03:31,280 Speaker 1: Will you accept this guest spot on Ridiculous History Today? Yes? 55 00:03:31,440 --> 00:03:38,280 Speaker 1: I will thank you for having me. Also, No, then 56 00:03:38,280 --> 00:03:40,760 Speaker 1: we would have a cliffhanger. To be a cliffhanger here, 57 00:03:40,760 --> 00:03:43,520 Speaker 1: we'd regroup and we figure out how to But it 58 00:03:43,520 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 1: wouldn't I would go in I go into vo voice, 59 00:03:46,880 --> 00:03:49,080 Speaker 1: making a sound like an ad break and say, will 60 00:03:49,600 --> 00:03:51,080 Speaker 1: you know I'm not gonna do it now because you 61 00:03:51,120 --> 00:03:53,960 Speaker 1: said yes. You can also check on on twitch where 62 00:03:53,960 --> 00:03:57,640 Speaker 1: she hosts Deckheads, Chief Stews and Anna this is where 63 00:03:57,680 --> 00:04:00,520 Speaker 1: you talk about below deck and a ton of other 64 00:04:00,560 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: Bravo shows like The Real Housewives, Empire, Summer House, Southern Charm, 65 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,440 Speaker 1: you name it, we made it happen. Thank you so 66 00:04:08,520 --> 00:04:12,120 Speaker 1: much for joining us today. For anybody who's not aware 67 00:04:12,400 --> 00:04:14,400 Speaker 1: or didn't get the didn't get the vibe from all 68 00:04:14,440 --> 00:04:17,800 Speaker 1: the stuff we just listed on is very very busy, 69 00:04:17,920 --> 00:04:21,760 Speaker 1: and her contract, the writer, and her contract is crazy, 70 00:04:21,880 --> 00:04:25,400 Speaker 1: so we had to save up for this. Yeah yeah, yeah, 71 00:04:25,600 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 1: Actually it states that you guys all have to watch 72 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,240 Speaker 1: reality TV with me for a week before I'll come 73 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:39,440 Speaker 1: to any show. So there's what we were hoping to 74 00:04:39,480 --> 00:04:43,920 Speaker 1: do in this story with our resident expert on reality television, 75 00:04:44,000 --> 00:04:47,040 Speaker 1: which is of course on, is to look at the 76 00:04:47,240 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 1: true history of how this became such a global phenomenon. 77 00:04:51,640 --> 00:04:55,799 Speaker 1: And I don't know about you all, but before I 78 00:04:55,880 --> 00:04:59,080 Speaker 1: was really diving into the research on this, I had 79 00:04:59,160 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 1: just sort of a reality TV was kind of a 80 00:05:03,839 --> 00:05:07,080 Speaker 1: thing that birthed in the nineties nineties. I think we 81 00:05:07,120 --> 00:05:11,880 Speaker 1: all remember the Real World program on MTV, right, like 82 00:05:11,920 --> 00:05:16,640 Speaker 1: shout out Puck. I guess that's what very young me remembers. 83 00:05:17,000 --> 00:05:20,000 Speaker 1: Weird Beard. Remember a weird beard is like alter ego. 84 00:05:20,480 --> 00:05:21,840 Speaker 1: I don't know why that stands out. And there was 85 00:05:21,880 --> 00:05:24,000 Speaker 1: that British guy that was in like the metal band 86 00:05:24,040 --> 00:05:27,200 Speaker 1: who sent his girlfriend like a pig's heart with a 87 00:05:27,320 --> 00:05:29,280 Speaker 1: nail through it or something. What was that guy's name? 88 00:05:29,800 --> 00:05:32,520 Speaker 1: A lot of weirdos. I don't know, I remember him. 89 00:05:32,560 --> 00:05:35,520 Speaker 1: I don't remember his name. It was a British sounding name. 90 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:38,000 Speaker 1: But yeah, that was like only season two. I think 91 00:05:38,000 --> 00:05:40,120 Speaker 1: it was New York and then London maybe, and then 92 00:05:40,160 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 1: there was San Francisco and there I think San Francisco 93 00:05:42,160 --> 00:05:46,560 Speaker 1: was with that's right. Nat Seattle was also big. But no, 94 00:05:46,640 --> 00:05:48,760 Speaker 1: it's true. It's something that I you know, certainly was 95 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,920 Speaker 1: like on just kind of like you couldn't really escape 96 00:05:50,920 --> 00:05:53,599 Speaker 1: it because it was it was huge. It really hits 97 00:05:53,640 --> 00:05:56,120 Speaker 1: some kind of like note in the zeitgeist, and it 98 00:05:56,160 --> 00:05:59,120 Speaker 1: really hasn't slowed from there. It's sort of just spread 99 00:05:59,200 --> 00:06:04,520 Speaker 1: like a like a ease if you're into it. Yeah, yeah, 100 00:06:04,680 --> 00:06:07,960 Speaker 1: like like one of the fun diseases, you know, that 101 00:06:08,560 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: laughing epidemic. But on the first off, how did you 102 00:06:11,600 --> 00:06:13,479 Speaker 1: how did you get into it? Like it's obviously something 103 00:06:13,480 --> 00:06:15,520 Speaker 1: that you you can you can be into ironically, sure, 104 00:06:15,720 --> 00:06:17,159 Speaker 1: and you know kind of it gives you plenty of 105 00:06:17,200 --> 00:06:19,880 Speaker 1: fodder for like commentary that can be a lot of fun. 106 00:06:19,960 --> 00:06:21,880 Speaker 1: But I think a lot of people, truly, you know, 107 00:06:21,960 --> 00:06:24,560 Speaker 1: do enjoy following the lives. Which camp do you find 108 00:06:24,560 --> 00:06:26,680 Speaker 1: yourself in or is it somewhere in between the two. 109 00:06:27,200 --> 00:06:29,400 Speaker 1: I would say I'm a little in between. Like I 110 00:06:29,440 --> 00:06:34,120 Speaker 1: love reality television on ironically, I think it's just great work. 111 00:06:35,000 --> 00:06:39,680 Speaker 1: I think it really it really you have okay, look 112 00:06:39,839 --> 00:06:44,240 Speaker 1: scripted television, you have a writer's group that you're you know, 113 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: a writer's team, You've got people working on it. Everyone's 114 00:06:47,040 --> 00:06:50,080 Speaker 1: like you got some of the best minds putting something together. 115 00:06:51,000 --> 00:06:56,360 Speaker 1: With reality TV, it's so unpredictable and it's so like 116 00:06:56,520 --> 00:06:59,160 Speaker 1: also you have to go find real people, which is 117 00:06:59,200 --> 00:07:03,200 Speaker 1: really difficult because not only do you have to find them, 118 00:07:03,320 --> 00:07:05,960 Speaker 1: then you have to actually make sure that they're like 119 00:07:06,240 --> 00:07:09,040 Speaker 1: good to be on TV. And there's like so many 120 00:07:09,120 --> 00:07:12,760 Speaker 1: levels to finding these like incredible characters that we've become 121 00:07:12,800 --> 00:07:16,400 Speaker 1: genuinely obsessed with um that like, I can't help but 122 00:07:16,480 --> 00:07:20,440 Speaker 1: be like, this is master work of television. This is tough. 123 00:07:20,800 --> 00:07:23,360 Speaker 1: I worked in reality t V very briefly. I couldn't 124 00:07:23,360 --> 00:07:25,520 Speaker 1: cut it. I hate it actually working it, and I 125 00:07:25,560 --> 00:07:28,440 Speaker 1: had to step away and just enjoy it from afar. 126 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:32,600 Speaker 1: Oh wow, So you know the behind the scenes like 127 00:07:32,800 --> 00:07:37,080 Speaker 1: challenges and the plot twist people have to navigate. I was, 128 00:07:37,480 --> 00:07:40,120 Speaker 1: I was unaware of that. We're gonna have to pick 129 00:07:40,160 --> 00:07:43,240 Speaker 1: your brain about that. In a little bit. You make 130 00:07:43,400 --> 00:07:46,600 Speaker 1: incredibly salient points, and I think a lot of people 131 00:07:46,640 --> 00:07:50,160 Speaker 1: aren't aware of that amount of work. Right. They think 132 00:07:50,200 --> 00:07:54,080 Speaker 1: there's just this cookie person right who is starting a 133 00:07:55,080 --> 00:07:58,920 Speaker 1: strutal empire for some reason. And now you know, nine 134 00:07:58,960 --> 00:08:02,640 Speaker 1: seasons later, we can say, wow, that that actually worked out. 135 00:08:03,280 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: One thing I think maybe we can start with is 136 00:08:06,360 --> 00:08:12,000 Speaker 1: the tricky, the tricky proposition of defining what reality or 137 00:08:12,160 --> 00:08:16,240 Speaker 1: unscripted programming means. I think we can all agree that 138 00:08:16,320 --> 00:08:22,520 Speaker 1: definition expanded over time. You have you know, you are 139 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:26,320 Speaker 1: again are resident expert here. It seems to me that 140 00:08:27,160 --> 00:08:30,560 Speaker 1: some people will define reality TV in a very narrow 141 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,880 Speaker 1: scope and they'll say it's kind of soap opera you know, 142 00:08:33,960 --> 00:08:37,800 Speaker 1: it's kind of slice of life increasingly with the celebrity 143 00:08:38,440 --> 00:08:43,080 Speaker 1: and you're just learning about and following the adventures of 144 00:08:43,120 --> 00:08:47,679 Speaker 1: these these normal, very interesting, compelling people. But other folks 145 00:08:47,760 --> 00:08:52,000 Speaker 1: will broaden the definition increasingly and they'll say, well, what, 146 00:08:52,720 --> 00:08:55,880 Speaker 1: why is an insert game show here? Why is that 147 00:08:55,920 --> 00:08:59,240 Speaker 1: not reality television? A lot of the stuff is unscripted, 148 00:08:59,640 --> 00:09:03,920 Speaker 1: Or why are those kind of documentary things that are 149 00:09:03,960 --> 00:09:06,840 Speaker 1: not soap operas? Why do we not qualify those as 150 00:09:06,920 --> 00:09:10,880 Speaker 1: reality television? And there's a lot of curation that goes 151 00:09:10,920 --> 00:09:13,400 Speaker 1: into this, from the you know, the dailies to the 152 00:09:13,440 --> 00:09:17,320 Speaker 1: final product, but the more linked into it. I was 153 00:09:17,360 --> 00:09:21,120 Speaker 1: surprised that there are conflicting opinions about what the actual 154 00:09:22,320 --> 00:09:26,280 Speaker 1: first reality television show is and and off Mike I 155 00:09:26,640 --> 00:09:30,880 Speaker 1: sent I sent around to our crew. Here a show 156 00:09:31,000 --> 00:09:36,280 Speaker 1: that is often called a it's like a prototype of 157 00:09:36,320 --> 00:09:40,160 Speaker 1: what would become reality television. It's a game show called 158 00:09:40,240 --> 00:09:43,480 Speaker 1: Queen for a Day. I had never heard of this one, 159 00:09:43,520 --> 00:09:52,800 Speaker 1: and it really creaked me out. Yeah, it's pretty dystopian. 160 00:09:53,120 --> 00:09:55,760 Speaker 1: What did you know about this one, Anna, Well, I 161 00:09:55,800 --> 00:09:58,000 Speaker 1: had heard of it very briefly, as like, because I 162 00:09:58,240 --> 00:10:01,560 Speaker 1: read a book called Star Nation by l a Times 163 00:10:01,559 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 1: writer Amy Kaufman. I read any batch or any sort 164 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:08,400 Speaker 1: of reality TV punk. I won't read like anything legit. 165 00:10:08,600 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 1: But if you're like a book about reality TV history, 166 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: well well well you know it's already in my car. 167 00:10:14,160 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: So I did. Actually, she briefly mentioned that show in 168 00:10:18,000 --> 00:10:21,000 Speaker 1: her book, but like I did, never did any further 169 00:10:21,320 --> 00:10:23,440 Speaker 1: research on. I was kind of like, Okay, it sounds 170 00:10:23,480 --> 00:10:25,480 Speaker 1: like some Johnny Curtins, you know, Like I was just like, 171 00:10:25,600 --> 00:10:28,800 Speaker 1: whatever sounds old. So I never really got into it 172 00:10:28,880 --> 00:10:31,480 Speaker 1: or really researched it further. But that video you sent 173 00:10:31,559 --> 00:10:36,000 Speaker 1: me were like the mini doc on it. I was like, oh, 174 00:10:36,280 --> 00:10:38,880 Speaker 1: this makes all the sense in the world. We've always 175 00:10:38,880 --> 00:10:43,280 Speaker 1: been obsessed with perfect people in media, and it goes 176 00:10:44,000 --> 00:10:47,160 Speaker 1: so far back and there is like that level of darkness. 177 00:10:47,440 --> 00:10:50,160 Speaker 1: It's such a precursor to like the Swan. Do you 178 00:10:50,200 --> 00:10:52,160 Speaker 1: guys remember the Swan where they like took a woman 179 00:10:52,200 --> 00:10:55,480 Speaker 1: they were like, ah, she's a freak and like made 180 00:10:55,520 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 1: her beautiful. When you're like most of those women you 181 00:10:57,440 --> 00:11:01,640 Speaker 1: were like, they're they're fine, you know, come on. So 182 00:11:01,679 --> 00:11:04,440 Speaker 1: it's interesting to see that. Yeah, No, this one, I 183 00:11:04,440 --> 00:11:08,800 Speaker 1: mean it is that it really embodies the kind of sexist, 184 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,920 Speaker 1: you know, misogynists like hierarchy of like the forties, fifties 185 00:11:13,920 --> 00:11:17,000 Speaker 1: and sixties and and honestly beyond, but with this whole 186 00:11:17,040 --> 00:11:21,120 Speaker 1: notion of like what if we took an under underappreciated 187 00:11:21,240 --> 00:11:23,560 Speaker 1: poul woman and then gave her all the things that 188 00:11:23,600 --> 00:11:26,240 Speaker 1: she needs to feel like a queen for a day 189 00:11:26,280 --> 00:11:28,320 Speaker 1: and then put a crown on her and parade her 190 00:11:28,360 --> 00:11:31,360 Speaker 1: around like something out of like a horror movie. I mean, 191 00:11:31,360 --> 00:11:34,640 Speaker 1: it really does strike me as like this kind of ritualistic, 192 00:11:35,120 --> 00:11:37,160 Speaker 1: you know display. I don't know something about it. I 193 00:11:37,200 --> 00:11:38,760 Speaker 1: don't I can't quite put my finger on it. Ben. 194 00:11:39,120 --> 00:11:43,480 Speaker 1: You keep using the term you know or terms yeah, 195 00:11:43,559 --> 00:11:47,200 Speaker 1: but but there's something about it that is very unsettling, 196 00:11:47,640 --> 00:11:49,600 Speaker 1: and I don't know what it is. But can you 197 00:11:49,640 --> 00:11:52,080 Speaker 1: kind of describe to us, Ben, what you found in 198 00:11:52,120 --> 00:11:54,679 Speaker 1: your research just to what the whole deal was around 199 00:11:54,720 --> 00:11:57,480 Speaker 1: this game and and and how how you how you 200 00:11:57,559 --> 00:11:59,400 Speaker 1: one exactly? I don't even know if it's there is 201 00:11:59,440 --> 00:12:03,360 Speaker 1: a winner saying yeah. We all four watched this uh 202 00:12:03,520 --> 00:12:07,000 Speaker 1: on this mini doc as you mentioned, and this show 203 00:12:07,120 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 1: dates back to the Mutual Radio Network in April of nine. 204 00:12:12,880 --> 00:12:14,880 Speaker 1: It was in New York City before it moved to 205 00:12:15,000 --> 00:12:19,800 Speaker 1: l A uh, and then it ran until nineteen fifty seven, 206 00:12:19,920 --> 00:12:23,360 Speaker 1: and then it switched to NBC. Uh, and it's growing 207 00:12:23,440 --> 00:12:25,840 Speaker 1: the entire time. This is really important. And then it 208 00:12:25,880 --> 00:12:29,840 Speaker 1: goes to ABC and runs still nineteen sixty four. Like 209 00:12:29,920 --> 00:12:33,360 Speaker 1: you all said, it opens with a host he's very uh, 210 00:12:33,559 --> 00:12:36,280 Speaker 1: let's just say on a it's very like old and 211 00:12:36,600 --> 00:12:41,719 Speaker 1: he's you know, like the old school tvOS. It was 212 00:12:41,960 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 1: like an older white gentleman judging your looks. Which of 213 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:53,160 Speaker 1: you is the saddest? Yeah? Uh So, the way the 214 00:12:53,200 --> 00:12:57,120 Speaker 1: format works and it is kind of like game show variety, 215 00:12:57,240 --> 00:13:01,360 Speaker 1: but in a very dark way. He int deuces a 216 00:13:01,480 --> 00:13:08,239 Speaker 1: series of contestants. All contestants are are women, female identifying 217 00:13:08,280 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: who have have a personal tragedy or struggle something that 218 00:13:13,920 --> 00:13:17,719 Speaker 1: is beyond ordinary means to repair. So that even though 219 00:13:17,720 --> 00:13:20,319 Speaker 1: it's called Queen for a Day, they don't come in 220 00:13:20,679 --> 00:13:24,560 Speaker 1: happy just wanting to be happier. They come in saying 221 00:13:25,000 --> 00:13:27,520 Speaker 1: somewhat beat me here, Max. They come in saying, someone 222 00:13:27,880 --> 00:13:31,920 Speaker 1: can help me with my sick child, or someone help 223 00:13:32,000 --> 00:13:35,520 Speaker 1: me save our house. Perfect perfect time in their max. 224 00:13:35,880 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: Uh So they he interviews the contestants and then you know, 225 00:13:40,640 --> 00:13:46,040 Speaker 1: they're separated the interviews by commercials. People love this. If 226 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:51,000 Speaker 1: you have the story saddest story judged by the audience applausometer, 227 00:13:51,640 --> 00:13:55,680 Speaker 1: then you get some version of your wish for a day. 228 00:13:55,880 --> 00:13:58,320 Speaker 1: And you can see stuff where someone's like, I want 229 00:13:58,480 --> 00:14:01,480 Speaker 1: medical treatment for you know, my little Jane or my 230 00:14:01,559 --> 00:14:04,559 Speaker 1: little Jimmy. And then they're like, we heard you, and 231 00:14:04,600 --> 00:14:07,720 Speaker 1: here's a brand new dishwasher, the finest from may Tag 232 00:14:07,840 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: Ends Heals or whatever. And this show was so successful 233 00:14:12,720 --> 00:14:15,560 Speaker 1: that it eventually it was thirty minutes and they increased 234 00:14:15,600 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: it to forty five minutes just to put in more commercials, 235 00:14:18,920 --> 00:14:20,840 Speaker 1: which I think remains a complaint about a lot of 236 00:14:20,920 --> 00:14:24,560 Speaker 1: reality TV today. But but I mean, the most maccab 237 00:14:24,720 --> 00:14:26,760 Speaker 1: part of it to me is that in the end, 238 00:14:26,840 --> 00:14:29,040 Speaker 1: the winner is selected and they're announced with all these 239 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:31,840 Speaker 1: prizes they're gonna get. But then they're like dressed in 240 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,640 Speaker 1: this like weird kingly queenly robe, you know, with a 241 00:14:36,280 --> 00:14:38,880 Speaker 1: jeweled crown, all while you know, sitting in this like 242 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:42,360 Speaker 1: absurd velvet, you know, plush throne and given like a 243 00:14:42,480 --> 00:14:45,480 Speaker 1: dozen roses. And I don't think this is necessarily the case, 244 00:14:45,520 --> 00:14:49,920 Speaker 1: but I'm picturing them also openly weeping mascara, like running 245 00:14:50,000 --> 00:14:52,640 Speaker 1: down like the cover of that whole album. You know. 246 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:55,960 Speaker 1: I mean, it's just it's it's really it's kind of twisted. 247 00:14:56,400 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: They didn't seem to think so, I guess, you know, 248 00:14:58,800 --> 00:15:00,680 Speaker 1: but but I think it's He does point to an 249 00:15:00,720 --> 00:15:02,760 Speaker 1: interesting factor for me, at least about reality television. I 250 00:15:02,840 --> 00:15:05,280 Speaker 1: think one thing that's always led to it being a 251 00:15:05,360 --> 00:15:07,720 Speaker 1: success is something very similar to why I think the 252 00:15:07,760 --> 00:15:10,400 Speaker 1: True Crime is a success. It gives people an opportunity 253 00:15:10,480 --> 00:15:13,160 Speaker 1: to be like, well, at least I'm not that poor, 254 00:15:13,600 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 1: or at least, you know, my father wasn't a secret murderer. 255 00:15:16,840 --> 00:15:19,400 Speaker 1: You know, there is some sort of like remove with 256 00:15:19,520 --> 00:15:21,760 Speaker 1: which people can watch these things that allows them to 257 00:15:21,840 --> 00:15:24,040 Speaker 1: kind of feel a little better about their lot in 258 00:15:24,120 --> 00:15:26,840 Speaker 1: life or or worse, depending on what show you're into 259 00:15:26,920 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: and what you're you know, what you're after. But I mean, Anna, 260 00:15:29,440 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: do you have any thoughts as to why these shows 261 00:15:32,000 --> 00:15:34,680 Speaker 1: are so popular on such a broad scale outside of 262 00:15:34,760 --> 00:15:37,880 Speaker 1: just you know, the soap opera nous of it all. 263 00:15:38,560 --> 00:15:42,000 Speaker 1: Oh no, you've asked a question I can talk about 264 00:15:42,120 --> 00:15:44,760 Speaker 1: for eight hours. Um, okay, well here, let me break 265 00:15:44,800 --> 00:15:48,040 Speaker 1: down the Queen for a day, so you're seeing something 266 00:15:48,160 --> 00:15:51,040 Speaker 1: where you're seeing these like ordinary women who have problems. 267 00:15:51,120 --> 00:15:55,720 Speaker 1: Guess what, America loves drama, you guys, we've always loved drama. 268 00:15:55,880 --> 00:15:59,000 Speaker 1: This mini doc I was like, this foreshadows every trope 269 00:15:59,040 --> 00:16:01,720 Speaker 1: in reality t V history to come. So you have 270 00:16:01,920 --> 00:16:04,960 Speaker 1: the trauma guess what? In like the Bachelor's sort of 271 00:16:05,040 --> 00:16:08,520 Speaker 1: like dating world, there's this concept of trauma bonding where 272 00:16:08,560 --> 00:16:12,240 Speaker 1: you're like, if you're a bachelor, bachelor it They'll be like, 273 00:16:12,400 --> 00:16:14,480 Speaker 1: I need you to open up to me so I 274 00:16:14,600 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 1: can know that we can have something. But to them, 275 00:16:17,240 --> 00:16:20,160 Speaker 1: opening up means like, tell me something traumatic from your 276 00:16:20,240 --> 00:16:23,360 Speaker 1: life so we can trauma bond and then we'll feel 277 00:16:23,400 --> 00:16:26,360 Speaker 1: like we have something, which in any normal circumstance you're 278 00:16:26,480 --> 00:16:28,280 Speaker 1: dating the first date, you're not gonna be like. My 279 00:16:28,440 --> 00:16:30,600 Speaker 1: parents got divorced and because of that, I had to 280 00:16:30,680 --> 00:16:34,440 Speaker 1: become like the soul like sibling who raised my other siblings. 281 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:36,960 Speaker 1: It was really hard. My mom worked eighteen jobs today, 282 00:16:37,160 --> 00:16:39,240 Speaker 1: I had to do everything. It really put a lot 283 00:16:39,280 --> 00:16:41,440 Speaker 1: of pressure on me, and that is why I think 284 00:16:41,560 --> 00:16:43,440 Speaker 1: I'm ready for marriage. You know, it's like all these 285 00:16:43,640 --> 00:16:46,520 Speaker 1: really weird things where you're like, whoa Okay, you didn't 286 00:16:46,600 --> 00:16:49,400 Speaker 1: have to tell I mean divorces. While yes, I believe 287 00:16:49,480 --> 00:16:52,760 Speaker 1: it can be very hard on you, it's incredibly common 288 00:16:52,920 --> 00:16:55,400 Speaker 1: at this point. You know, like a lot of people 289 00:16:55,480 --> 00:16:58,120 Speaker 1: get divorced. But then so you're seeing that the sort 290 00:16:58,160 --> 00:17:01,000 Speaker 1: of like trauma bond, and then you're kind of saying 291 00:17:01,040 --> 00:17:04,080 Speaker 1: this other thing of like a lot of our obsessions 292 00:17:04,200 --> 00:17:08,240 Speaker 1: is like projecting our own sort of feelings on people. 293 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,840 Speaker 1: So you're able to be like, wow, look at her, 294 00:17:12,000 --> 00:17:15,080 Speaker 1: she got that, she won her dishwasher. She's the queen 295 00:17:15,200 --> 00:17:18,640 Speaker 1: of the day. But then you're not the one who 296 00:17:18,720 --> 00:17:21,880 Speaker 1: has to like deal with the aftermath of that. So hey, 297 00:17:21,960 --> 00:17:23,960 Speaker 1: you get this diswasher or in like a lot of 298 00:17:24,000 --> 00:17:28,639 Speaker 1: those like television or like house remodel shows, you know, 299 00:17:28,760 --> 00:17:31,680 Speaker 1: like tie I forgot that guy's tie something where he'd 300 00:17:31,720 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: be like, here's your new house, yes, Pennington, Pennington, I 301 00:17:36,359 --> 00:17:39,560 Speaker 1: don't know. I think that sounds familiar. Now you have 302 00:17:39,640 --> 00:17:42,920 Speaker 1: to pay the property taxes and and you know exactly 303 00:17:43,040 --> 00:17:45,960 Speaker 1: it's like, oh, well, I wasn't super rich. I can't 304 00:17:45,960 --> 00:17:48,480 Speaker 1: afford a massive house like you just I mean, like 305 00:17:48,560 --> 00:17:51,440 Speaker 1: I love it, qute, I can't actually afford that a 306 00:17:51,520 --> 00:17:53,800 Speaker 1: lot of those houses go into foreclosure, so like there's 307 00:17:53,800 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 1: almost like this moment of like, yeah, that's great, but 308 00:17:56,040 --> 00:17:58,120 Speaker 1: you're in the safety of your home, so you don't 309 00:17:58,320 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 1: as soon as that show ends, it's not your problem. 310 00:18:00,680 --> 00:18:02,960 Speaker 1: And I think like as Americans, you see that a 311 00:18:03,000 --> 00:18:05,240 Speaker 1: lot where we're like, oh, yeah, good for you, but 312 00:18:05,400 --> 00:18:08,080 Speaker 1: that's not my problem. We like to really pull back, 313 00:18:08,359 --> 00:18:11,320 Speaker 1: and that's a symptom of just American culture in general, 314 00:18:11,359 --> 00:18:13,320 Speaker 1: which is why so many people are suffering in this 315 00:18:13,400 --> 00:18:15,840 Speaker 1: country is because we're like, well, I did my job, 316 00:18:16,200 --> 00:18:17,880 Speaker 1: why do I have to give? You know, like we're 317 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:20,040 Speaker 1: all kind of like selfish. It's just is what it is. 318 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:23,000 Speaker 1: So there is like this level of like I I 319 00:18:23,119 --> 00:18:25,879 Speaker 1: can project everything I'm feeling into this half hour or 320 00:18:26,000 --> 00:18:28,800 Speaker 1: hour or two hours now because they never end uh 321 00:18:28,920 --> 00:18:31,399 Speaker 1: television show, and then I can walk away and I 322 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:34,320 Speaker 1: can be like, wasn't that crazy? She's a nut, you know, 323 00:18:34,560 --> 00:18:37,080 Speaker 1: and then it's not your problem anymore. But like you 324 00:18:37,240 --> 00:18:41,199 Speaker 1: get to literally suck the joy out of this television 325 00:18:41,320 --> 00:18:45,280 Speaker 1: show and then walk away, you know, wipe your hands 326 00:18:45,320 --> 00:18:47,560 Speaker 1: of it. And that's I think like our kind of 327 00:18:47,680 --> 00:18:50,399 Speaker 1: sick fascination. And I think Queen for the Day is 328 00:18:50,480 --> 00:18:54,600 Speaker 1: a very interesting foreshadowing of every little thing that's gonna 329 00:18:54,680 --> 00:18:58,240 Speaker 1: like come out and competition. We love to compete in 330 00:18:58,280 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: this country. We love to compete. So the idea of 331 00:19:01,880 --> 00:19:05,480 Speaker 1: like whose story is sadder is like such a like 332 00:19:05,840 --> 00:19:09,320 Speaker 1: sickening obsession of ours, because we do also love to 333 00:19:09,480 --> 00:19:12,399 Speaker 1: tear up. But they didn't even try to avail it. 334 00:19:12,520 --> 00:19:14,520 Speaker 1: You gotta at least give them props for not even 335 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:17,119 Speaker 1: bothering trying to dress it up. And they literally are 336 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:21,120 Speaker 1: asking the audience whose story is sader? You know, because 337 00:19:21,160 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: it was the first time out they hadn't learned the tricks. Yeah, 338 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:28,640 Speaker 1: that that cut tharsis right, that vicarious experience, Yeah, I agree, 339 00:19:28,880 --> 00:19:31,840 Speaker 1: it carries on you love. We love a beautiful story, 340 00:19:32,920 --> 00:19:35,560 Speaker 1: even if it's like has a dark, dark origin where 341 00:19:35,600 --> 00:19:38,840 Speaker 1: you're like she's being used to sell at you know, 342 00:19:39,440 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: and anyway, that's kind of that's why we're obsessed. We 343 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:46,000 Speaker 1: love stuff like that. Also, to jump in real quick, yeah, 344 00:19:46,119 --> 00:19:50,200 Speaker 1: Max give it to us. It is Tigert Burton, Ty Pennington. 345 00:19:50,840 --> 00:20:11,160 Speaker 1: Oh right now, we just paused for this awesome sound 346 00:20:11,240 --> 00:20:13,920 Speaker 1: cue auto where if we have a friend singing this 347 00:20:14,160 --> 00:20:17,280 Speaker 1: theme song Max from the Facts, where do we even 348 00:20:17,400 --> 00:20:20,480 Speaker 1: go from from Queen for a Day. I mean it 349 00:20:20,720 --> 00:20:23,200 Speaker 1: gets kind of lighter after that. I mean we sort 350 00:20:23,240 --> 00:20:26,760 Speaker 1: of start with like the most you know, bleak dregs 351 00:20:26,880 --> 00:20:29,400 Speaker 1: of kind of human misery, and then we go pretty 352 00:20:29,480 --> 00:20:34,960 Speaker 1: quickly to like prank shows, you know, and like candid Camera. Right, yeah, 353 00:20:35,280 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: you know it's again. It all hinges on what we 354 00:20:38,840 --> 00:20:42,600 Speaker 1: accept as the definition of reality TV, which I think 355 00:20:43,280 --> 00:20:45,480 Speaker 1: I'm I'm kind of team on on this one, because 356 00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,760 Speaker 1: maybe the best way to arrive at the definition is 357 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 1: reverse engineering from what fascinates people about these these shows, 358 00:20:54,880 --> 00:20:57,720 Speaker 1: these programs, these formats. You will find a lot of 359 00:20:57,800 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: people who will argue, no, the real, the real first 360 00:21:04,040 --> 00:21:06,200 Speaker 1: reality TV show was so and so, so let's just 361 00:21:06,280 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: walk through some of the first ones. One of the 362 00:21:08,600 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 1: first network game shows, Cash and Carry, that shows us 363 00:21:12,440 --> 00:21:17,240 Speaker 1: unscripted television. But again it depends some people will say, well, 364 00:21:17,280 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 1: the game shows not reality TV, but a competition that 365 00:21:21,400 --> 00:21:23,959 Speaker 1: is kind of game show based. I think we can 366 00:21:24,359 --> 00:21:28,359 Speaker 1: point to several that are reality television. And there's really 367 00:21:28,480 --> 00:21:32,080 Speaker 1: interesting interview with a guy named Troy de Vold who 368 00:21:32,200 --> 00:21:36,639 Speaker 1: was produced and written for numerous properties like this, and 369 00:21:36,760 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 1: it is kind of in a story and a reality TV, 370 00:21:39,520 --> 00:21:43,920 Speaker 1: and he says that the very first reality television show, 371 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:49,440 Speaker 1: per his opinion, is something called Amateur Hour by Ted Mack. 372 00:21:49,600 --> 00:21:54,680 Speaker 1: It came out a few months before Candid Camera hit 373 00:21:54,800 --> 00:21:57,960 Speaker 1: the screens, and right now Candy Camera, I think is 374 00:21:58,040 --> 00:22:01,600 Speaker 1: more well known. I've never actually seen an episode. I 375 00:22:01,640 --> 00:22:03,159 Speaker 1: think it's one of those things just the kind of 376 00:22:03,200 --> 00:22:06,639 Speaker 1: floating around and popular culture. I know the phrase candy Camera. 377 00:22:06,920 --> 00:22:13,800 Speaker 1: I haven't never seen Candid Camera legendary television. It was 378 00:22:13,920 --> 00:22:17,439 Speaker 1: raised on Candid Camera. I loved it. It's so funny. 379 00:22:17,640 --> 00:22:20,520 Speaker 1: It's so funny and also another kind of hilarious thing 380 00:22:20,560 --> 00:22:23,600 Speaker 1: where we love to see people, uh, make a fool 381 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:26,600 Speaker 1: out of themselves, slash, get hurt, got caught out right, 382 00:22:27,280 --> 00:22:31,639 Speaker 1: and then say, I'm sure they're fine at the end, right, like, 383 00:22:31,960 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: you know, whatever they win. Something like that should be enough. 384 00:22:35,440 --> 00:22:38,320 Speaker 1: That's a modern equivalent, I guess would be like failed videos, 385 00:22:38,440 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 1: you know, are like kids getting accounts, Yeah, failing, And 386 00:22:41,560 --> 00:22:43,520 Speaker 1: that's we don't even need these kind of shows anymore 387 00:22:44,040 --> 00:22:45,840 Speaker 1: because I think they've kind of found their place in 388 00:22:45,920 --> 00:22:49,280 Speaker 1: shorter form videos on the Internet. I know, well, that 389 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:56,960 Speaker 1: was also America's funniest home videos. Yes, homemade joy exactly 390 00:22:57,240 --> 00:22:59,879 Speaker 1: and uh, and at least in the very beginning, the 391 00:23:00,080 --> 00:23:03,440 Speaker 1: s weren't intentionally curated to like full the host or 392 00:23:03,480 --> 00:23:07,360 Speaker 1: the teams. So if you want to win a bar argument, 393 00:23:08,160 --> 00:23:11,000 Speaker 1: you can cite the Guinness Book of World Records, which 394 00:23:11,080 --> 00:23:14,800 Speaker 1: says Candid Camera is the quote first TV show to 395 00:23:14,960 --> 00:23:20,240 Speaker 1: regularly feature members of the public as stars. Game shows, 396 00:23:20,240 --> 00:23:22,840 Speaker 1: getting a little wild, get a little experimental in that 397 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,399 Speaker 1: post World War two boom For the US contestants are 398 00:23:26,800 --> 00:23:32,320 Speaker 1: like you mentioned on they're they're putting these increasingly strange situations, stunts, 399 00:23:32,720 --> 00:23:36,640 Speaker 1: practical jokes that make you think is embarrassing or oh 400 00:23:36,680 --> 00:23:41,280 Speaker 1: are they okay? And the emphasis here is on fun 401 00:23:41,640 --> 00:23:45,879 Speaker 1: and awkwardness instead of like real difficult stuff like so 402 00:23:46,280 --> 00:23:49,880 Speaker 1: these riddles three, it's more like can you move while 403 00:23:49,960 --> 00:23:52,960 Speaker 1: we're throwing all this? Uh? I don't know fom at you? 404 00:23:53,480 --> 00:23:58,239 Speaker 1: And this is again, this argument is why we'll hear 405 00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:00,719 Speaker 1: some people who are a little more rigorous with their 406 00:24:00,760 --> 00:24:05,720 Speaker 1: definitions say the real first reality TV show came in 407 00:24:06,080 --> 00:24:15,600 Speaker 1: nine three. I don't agree with it. I think it's 408 00:24:15,640 --> 00:24:18,920 Speaker 1: maybe the first of its kind of reality show. It's 409 00:24:18,960 --> 00:24:23,639 Speaker 1: called An American Family, and weirdly enough, it was on PBS, 410 00:24:24,000 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 1: which we don't always associate with reality shows today so 411 00:24:27,080 --> 00:24:30,240 Speaker 1: much as documentaries. I guess, yeah, well, you know, PBS 412 00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:33,680 Speaker 1: love those commercials totally. That's the sort of the blurry 413 00:24:33,720 --> 00:24:35,399 Speaker 1: line that we're talking about, though, because then you have, like, 414 00:24:35,920 --> 00:24:38,399 Speaker 1: you know, isn't a reality show just kind of a 415 00:24:38,520 --> 00:24:41,760 Speaker 1: low rent documentary to some degree? And I mean, again, 416 00:24:42,040 --> 00:24:44,080 Speaker 1: please don't take that the wrong I just mean, you know, 417 00:24:44,240 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: a documentary tends to be about something a little more 418 00:24:46,840 --> 00:24:50,200 Speaker 1: like high minded and like culturally important, whereas you know, 419 00:24:50,520 --> 00:24:53,399 Speaker 1: reality shows are more about like awful people yelling at 420 00:24:53,400 --> 00:24:56,639 Speaker 1: each other and getting into fights and acts of one upsmanship. 421 00:24:56,680 --> 00:25:00,879 Speaker 1: But they use similar techniques and productions files. So, like 422 00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:04,959 Speaker 1: what differentiates a documentary from a reality show? I think 423 00:25:05,000 --> 00:25:07,439 Speaker 1: a documentary is more of a kind of like an 424 00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:12,000 Speaker 1: investigation into something, but reality TV, I think is just 425 00:25:12,359 --> 00:25:17,200 Speaker 1: more of a like a bird's eye view into like 426 00:25:17,359 --> 00:25:20,800 Speaker 1: a group of people. I mean, I think like when 427 00:25:20,840 --> 00:25:24,000 Speaker 1: you're watching reality TV, you're not really fully coming to 428 00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,000 Speaker 1: a consensus about something versus like a documentary. You're still 429 00:25:27,040 --> 00:25:29,639 Speaker 1: trying to build a narrative arc, you know, I mean 430 00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 1: you kind of are in reality TV. Depending on the show, 431 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,880 Speaker 1: but like it's not as it's not as like important 432 00:25:34,920 --> 00:25:37,840 Speaker 1: where I'm dying to know what this like housewives, you know, 433 00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:40,439 Speaker 1: from Real Housewives like arc Is, I'm kind of like, Okay, 434 00:25:40,560 --> 00:25:43,480 Speaker 1: I see her trying to Like it's like they're literally 435 00:25:43,600 --> 00:25:46,560 Speaker 1: creating their own storylines by starting a fight, versus like 436 00:25:46,720 --> 00:25:49,440 Speaker 1: a director of a documentary who's like, here's the story 437 00:25:49,480 --> 00:25:51,640 Speaker 1: I'm trying to tell, here's the here the people I'm 438 00:25:51,640 --> 00:25:55,320 Speaker 1: trying to like investigate and or like examine under a 439 00:25:55,440 --> 00:26:00,200 Speaker 1: lens of some kind. Well said, I think I would 440 00:26:00,200 --> 00:26:03,800 Speaker 1: agree with that, because then by that reason, we're we're 441 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:08,399 Speaker 1: saying that, for example, a documentary about the plight of 442 00:26:09,000 --> 00:26:12,640 Speaker 1: the Emperor penguin is meant to have the audience kind 443 00:26:12,680 --> 00:26:17,040 Speaker 1: of cohere on the same the same conclusion, right, Like, 444 00:26:17,200 --> 00:26:21,720 Speaker 1: oh snap, things are bad for penguins, But a reality 445 00:26:21,840 --> 00:26:25,760 Speaker 1: show is totally fine with an audience being divisive, right, 446 00:26:25,880 --> 00:26:29,560 Speaker 1: Hashtag team this person, hashtag team that person. Right. So, 447 00:26:30,320 --> 00:26:33,760 Speaker 1: from what I understand, there are fan contingents of various 448 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:36,320 Speaker 1: modern reality shows who kind of beef with each other 449 00:26:36,440 --> 00:26:39,440 Speaker 1: on the internet. Is that correctors that? Like, is that 450 00:26:39,600 --> 00:26:41,359 Speaker 1: just one bad example I saw? Or is that a 451 00:26:41,440 --> 00:26:46,520 Speaker 1: normalized thing. No, I mean, yeah, it's like sports teams. 452 00:26:46,640 --> 00:26:48,879 Speaker 1: You have your side, you will fight the other, like 453 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,520 Speaker 1: if you love a certain housewife and someone else is 454 00:26:52,600 --> 00:26:55,119 Speaker 1: coming at them, you're gonna get angry. I mean it 455 00:26:55,200 --> 00:27:01,760 Speaker 1: really is like we have our teams, and people, especially 456 00:27:01,880 --> 00:27:05,320 Speaker 1: now in this internet age, have no problem coming for you. 457 00:27:05,920 --> 00:27:10,760 Speaker 1: So naturally it is an extension of you know, uh, 458 00:27:11,200 --> 00:27:14,720 Speaker 1: like a sportsmanship sort of. I see, and and this 459 00:27:15,160 --> 00:27:20,119 Speaker 1: only becomes more apparent as we move towards the modern age. Uh, 460 00:27:20,240 --> 00:27:25,399 Speaker 1: the the dawn and the domination. Domination won't work of 461 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:29,040 Speaker 1: reality television. So the nineties we mentioned, that's like a 462 00:27:29,160 --> 00:27:31,199 Speaker 1: golden age for this kind of TV for a lot 463 00:27:31,280 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 1: of people. May MTV comes through with the real world 464 00:27:37,400 --> 00:27:40,280 Speaker 1: in like this is like a Promethean act for so 465 00:27:40,359 --> 00:27:43,600 Speaker 1: many other production companies because they see the fire reality 466 00:27:43,640 --> 00:27:46,680 Speaker 1: based soap opera, you know, the drill. I can't do 467 00:27:46,920 --> 00:27:51,320 Speaker 1: the intro from memory, but I'm sure so many of 468 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,560 Speaker 1: us listening today are already kind of reciting it like 469 00:27:54,640 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: a litany. I know. It ends with when folks stop 470 00:27:58,480 --> 00:28:02,600 Speaker 1: being polite and start getting real real rest. I think 471 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:05,040 Speaker 1: that was that was the most important part. But no, 472 00:28:05,160 --> 00:28:06,879 Speaker 1: I mean I think that's you know, and then they 473 00:28:07,040 --> 00:28:09,120 Speaker 1: obviously branched off into they took it on the road 474 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:12,440 Speaker 1: with road rules, and then there's like, you know, combinations 475 00:28:12,520 --> 00:28:14,919 Speaker 1: and like sort of like anniversaries. Now there's the challenge 476 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:16,800 Speaker 1: and all that kind of stuff. But what I think 477 00:28:16,880 --> 00:28:20,240 Speaker 1: is interesting too is you have all of these offshoots 478 00:28:20,359 --> 00:28:22,560 Speaker 1: of shows like this coming from other countries, like you 479 00:28:22,640 --> 00:28:26,159 Speaker 1: have Big Brother, which essentially took the real world format 480 00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:29,159 Speaker 1: and just gamified it, you know, which I think was 481 00:28:29,280 --> 00:28:31,160 Speaker 1: kind of a stroke of genius because, as you said, 482 00:28:31,240 --> 00:28:34,680 Speaker 1: not everyone loves drama and everyone also loves the competition, 483 00:28:34,760 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: So let's combine the two, yeah, and then make it 484 00:28:37,280 --> 00:28:42,280 Speaker 1: like seven because we cannot get enough content. Yeah yeah, 485 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:46,440 Speaker 1: and everything can spin off, right, So producers that works 486 00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:50,720 Speaker 1: lean and they grow their own programming. Reality TV becomes 487 00:28:50,880 --> 00:28:55,400 Speaker 1: like one of the next the things that many networks 488 00:28:55,480 --> 00:28:58,959 Speaker 1: feel are matters of survival for them. And there's one 489 00:28:59,000 --> 00:29:00,719 Speaker 1: of the next steps that you would point you out 490 00:29:00,760 --> 00:29:02,920 Speaker 1: in the research on that really stood out to me. 491 00:29:03,760 --> 00:29:06,280 Speaker 1: At some point the folks who green light everything said, 492 00:29:06,640 --> 00:29:09,680 Speaker 1: why are we casting regular folks? Why are we jumping 493 00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:13,200 Speaker 1: through these hoops to find a regular person? A civilian 494 00:29:13,600 --> 00:29:17,920 Speaker 1: doing something interesting was also reliably camera ready. Why are 495 00:29:17,960 --> 00:29:20,360 Speaker 1: we doing all that and then growing a following for 496 00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:22,920 Speaker 1: them when we could start with celebrities, people who are 497 00:29:22,920 --> 00:29:25,320 Speaker 1: already somehow famous, We already have their own built in 498 00:29:25,560 --> 00:29:29,240 Speaker 1: massive audience, And that feels like a c change to me. 499 00:29:29,600 --> 00:29:32,040 Speaker 1: Could you tell us a little bit about that? Yeah, 500 00:29:32,160 --> 00:29:34,640 Speaker 1: I mean, like in the early two thousand's, I think 501 00:29:34,800 --> 00:29:38,440 Speaker 1: later Osborne started, I feel like early late nineties, early 502 00:29:38,480 --> 00:29:41,640 Speaker 1: two thousands, can't remember the exact date, but they basically 503 00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: just found Ozzy Osbourne, who in all sort of like 504 00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,400 Speaker 1: who we knew him as was a like metal rock 505 00:29:50,560 --> 00:29:53,400 Speaker 1: star like eight Bats, you know, like all these sort 506 00:29:53,440 --> 00:29:56,080 Speaker 1: of lore where you're like, he's wild, he's crazy, and 507 00:29:56,120 --> 00:29:57,880 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden they're like, but he has 508 00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,760 Speaker 1: a home life and he's a fun there and you're 509 00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,680 Speaker 1: like whoa. And I think at that time that was 510 00:30:04,240 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: really really wild to see that Ozzy Osbourne. He had 511 00:30:07,360 --> 00:30:09,920 Speaker 1: a wife, he had two kids. They had very you know, 512 00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,960 Speaker 1: they were you know, quirky and weird because you know, 513 00:30:13,040 --> 00:30:15,760 Speaker 1: their family of like rock star kids, who knows, but 514 00:30:15,880 --> 00:30:20,520 Speaker 1: they also had very normal interactions and had normal, very 515 00:30:20,680 --> 00:30:24,360 Speaker 1: like family style situations they'd be in and I think 516 00:30:24,520 --> 00:30:27,600 Speaker 1: that was kind of like the point where they were like, oh, 517 00:30:27,880 --> 00:30:31,880 Speaker 1: like we love celebrities. Were obsessed with knowing what celebrities 518 00:30:31,920 --> 00:30:34,360 Speaker 1: are up to. This is pre social media, so you 519 00:30:34,480 --> 00:30:36,480 Speaker 1: really don't know. Like at that time, it's like you 520 00:30:36,520 --> 00:30:39,000 Speaker 1: couldn't literally watch what someone was doing all day in 521 00:30:39,000 --> 00:30:42,200 Speaker 1: their Instagram stories, right, So it's like this moment, this 522 00:30:42,400 --> 00:30:46,360 Speaker 1: window into this celebrity lifestyle that we also used to, 523 00:30:46,600 --> 00:30:50,000 Speaker 1: you know, glamour, big houses. It's just like wow, everything 524 00:30:50,080 --> 00:30:53,120 Speaker 1: we strive for. And then they like put it in 525 00:30:53,200 --> 00:30:56,160 Speaker 1: a TV show on MTV and we were part of 526 00:30:56,200 --> 00:30:58,680 Speaker 1: the Osbourne We were in the family. We could see 527 00:30:58,720 --> 00:31:02,280 Speaker 1: them every single you a week doing their thing, and 528 00:31:02,320 --> 00:31:05,000 Speaker 1: all of sudden they were like your family, you know, 529 00:31:05,120 --> 00:31:07,360 Speaker 1: in a weird way. Ozzy Osbourne is the father of 530 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:11,880 Speaker 1: America's family. Crazy, but it worked. It just hit in 531 00:31:11,960 --> 00:31:14,880 Speaker 1: a way that we were you know, I'm sure they 532 00:31:14,920 --> 00:31:17,440 Speaker 1: were probably like, let's try and see if anyone's even 533 00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,240 Speaker 1: interested in seeing what Ozzy Osborne is doing. All of 534 00:31:20,280 --> 00:31:22,840 Speaker 1: a sudden, Sharon Osborne is you know, like we're all 535 00:31:22,880 --> 00:31:25,560 Speaker 1: like fans of like Kelly, you know, you're like, wow, 536 00:31:25,680 --> 00:31:29,080 Speaker 1: like all these people are all of a sudden fully 537 00:31:29,160 --> 00:31:31,480 Speaker 1: invested in the Osbourne's, even though maybe they never even 538 00:31:31,520 --> 00:31:34,120 Speaker 1: listened to Ozzy Osborne to begin with, and and and 539 00:31:34,200 --> 00:31:36,680 Speaker 1: by many accounts, a lot of this strokeo genius really 540 00:31:36,880 --> 00:31:40,520 Speaker 1: was coming from Sharon, uh for better for worse, Largely, 541 00:31:40,560 --> 00:31:42,840 Speaker 1: I think for worse. It sure seemed like they were 542 00:31:42,920 --> 00:31:45,320 Speaker 1: trotting out Azzi during a time in his life where 543 00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: he maybe wasn't the best idea for him to be 544 00:31:48,160 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 1: on TV all the time, you know, but it was 545 00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:52,760 Speaker 1: sort of like, that's fine, he'll be fine. I think 546 00:31:52,800 --> 00:31:54,720 Speaker 1: he was going through some you know, still going through 547 00:31:54,800 --> 00:31:57,560 Speaker 1: some some addiction problems and some like kind of you know, 548 00:31:58,040 --> 00:32:00,760 Speaker 1: doctor shopping kind of scenarios, and it was certainly clear 549 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,400 Speaker 1: that he wasn't fully there, but yet there he was 550 00:32:04,640 --> 00:32:08,280 Speaker 1: sort of America's you know, cookie Granddad. But this really 551 00:32:08,360 --> 00:32:10,840 Speaker 1: opened the gate for like all kinds of these other 552 00:32:10,880 --> 00:32:13,000 Speaker 1: types of shows like that. But it didn't really happen 553 00:32:13,120 --> 00:32:15,440 Speaker 1: right away, which I thought was interesting. It wasn't until 554 00:32:15,480 --> 00:32:19,000 Speaker 1: I guess VH one started doing you know, the Surreal 555 00:32:19,160 --> 00:32:21,520 Speaker 1: Life and those these kind of like again Big Brother 556 00:32:21,920 --> 00:32:25,400 Speaker 1: situations but with kind of you know, also ran celebrities 557 00:32:25,840 --> 00:32:27,680 Speaker 1: do you see a correlation there? Am I wrong? Was 558 00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,080 Speaker 1: it right on the heels of it or wasn't there 559 00:32:29,120 --> 00:32:33,280 Speaker 1: kind of a little gap? Well? Uh, I know, I 560 00:32:33,360 --> 00:32:35,880 Speaker 1: think Osbourne's kind of started to pave the way, and 561 00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,560 Speaker 1: and I think what you were saying about Ozzy really 562 00:32:38,600 --> 00:32:42,520 Speaker 1: still struggling in his life. Like we love dysfunction and 563 00:32:42,680 --> 00:32:45,400 Speaker 1: we love to see it because again, it's not our problem. 564 00:32:45,440 --> 00:32:47,719 Speaker 1: You know, it's like we're watching it, like we are 565 00:32:47,960 --> 00:32:49,760 Speaker 1: watching from a bird's eye view where we get to 566 00:32:49,840 --> 00:32:52,040 Speaker 1: white like, well, like, damn that sucks for Ozzie. Hope 567 00:32:52,080 --> 00:32:54,720 Speaker 1: he's okay, al right, next show. You know you you 568 00:32:54,960 --> 00:32:58,040 Speaker 1: you're able to remove yourself in that way, but you're 569 00:32:58,080 --> 00:33:01,120 Speaker 1: still at the same time able to be like a 570 00:33:01,280 --> 00:33:05,080 Speaker 1: voyeur into their lives and the same situation with a 571 00:33:05,160 --> 00:33:08,600 Speaker 1: simple life. Like Nicole Richie struggled with addiction for years 572 00:33:09,400 --> 00:33:11,760 Speaker 1: and we were still watching her go to like farms 573 00:33:11,880 --> 00:33:15,120 Speaker 1: and be like pooh, you know, like cal pooh, and 574 00:33:15,160 --> 00:33:18,600 Speaker 1: we'd be like, that's hilarious, that's hilarious. They hate this. 575 00:33:18,720 --> 00:33:21,640 Speaker 1: They're like rich girls, they've never stepped in couch before. 576 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,200 Speaker 1: But like we loved it. Isn't that another kind of 577 00:33:25,280 --> 00:33:27,760 Speaker 1: like almost the reverse shod in Freuda, where it's like 578 00:33:27,840 --> 00:33:30,400 Speaker 1: because I still think everything we're saying sort of points 579 00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:33,120 Speaker 1: to the idea of like, Okay, Ozzie's all messed up, 580 00:33:33,200 --> 00:33:34,360 Speaker 1: but I'm getting a throw out of it, and I 581 00:33:34,400 --> 00:33:35,960 Speaker 1: don't have to think about it when I turn the channel, 582 00:33:36,160 --> 00:33:37,760 Speaker 1: so it's sort of like, at least it's not me, 583 00:33:38,120 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: not in my backyard, but I'm definitely gonna like get 584 00:33:41,080 --> 00:33:43,840 Speaker 1: some sort of weird sick joy out of watching someone 585 00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: else struggle with the surreal or the simple life. Isn't 586 00:33:48,160 --> 00:33:50,400 Speaker 1: it is an example of seeing people that are way 587 00:33:50,440 --> 00:33:52,560 Speaker 1: way more wealthy than you'll ever be able to be, 588 00:33:53,120 --> 00:33:55,880 Speaker 1: but also kind of putting themselves in foolish situations and 589 00:33:56,200 --> 00:33:58,440 Speaker 1: sort of making fun of themselves and allowing you to 590 00:33:58,520 --> 00:34:00,480 Speaker 1: kind of laugh at them, even those sort of the 591 00:34:00,560 --> 00:34:02,960 Speaker 1: jokes on you because you're, you know, you're paying for 592 00:34:03,080 --> 00:34:07,040 Speaker 1: their lifestyle by participating in the whole thing. Oh yeah, 593 00:34:07,520 --> 00:34:10,560 Speaker 1: I mean we're all kind of been like a vicious 594 00:34:10,600 --> 00:34:14,400 Speaker 1: cycle for sure, And I think now more than anything, 595 00:34:14,680 --> 00:34:17,120 Speaker 1: we kind of see like the genius of Paris Hilton 596 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:19,840 Speaker 1: and Nicole Ritchie to be like, oh we knew damn 597 00:34:19,920 --> 00:34:22,719 Speaker 1: well that we were playing ourselves dumb because we knew 598 00:34:22,719 --> 00:34:25,600 Speaker 1: it would be good television, and so like there is 599 00:34:25,719 --> 00:34:29,520 Speaker 1: kinda that like other side of like, oh I thought 600 00:34:29,560 --> 00:34:32,600 Speaker 1: they were fools. Turns out they were actually self aware 601 00:34:32,680 --> 00:34:34,960 Speaker 1: enough to know like if we play it dumb enough, 602 00:34:35,960 --> 00:34:39,120 Speaker 1: people will keep coming back to like make fun of us, 603 00:34:39,239 --> 00:34:42,359 Speaker 1: and they were able to take it. I mean, it's 604 00:34:42,400 --> 00:34:45,560 Speaker 1: all very uh there. I mean, let's be real, there's 605 00:34:45,560 --> 00:34:47,440 Speaker 1: a dark side to all of this. We're all obsessed 606 00:34:47,480 --> 00:34:50,920 Speaker 1: with darkness in a way. That's why we love the 607 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: twenty four hour news cycle. Really, Like we're all so 608 00:34:54,200 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: in it that we're like, we're also addicted to being 609 00:34:57,640 --> 00:35:01,520 Speaker 1: upset over darkness. But like there's it's all just a 610 00:35:01,600 --> 00:35:03,320 Speaker 1: vicious cycle. Who knows. If there's ever gonna be a 611 00:35:03,360 --> 00:35:06,319 Speaker 1: way out, maybe a giant wave from climate change, we'll 612 00:35:06,400 --> 00:35:09,640 Speaker 1: take us out. You know, maybe maybe there will be 613 00:35:09,719 --> 00:35:13,120 Speaker 1: a reality show called I Still Have a Lawn and 614 00:35:13,280 --> 00:35:16,759 Speaker 1: it's about people who still have lawns. But you know, 615 00:35:16,920 --> 00:35:19,759 Speaker 1: it's funny to say that because we are describing uh, 616 00:35:19,920 --> 00:35:22,960 Speaker 1: some key points of the American consciousness. You could call it, 617 00:35:23,080 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: I would call the Western consciousness. Now with the expansion 618 00:35:26,280 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: of this stuff years back, a Little War Story on 619 00:35:30,160 --> 00:35:34,480 Speaker 1: I pitched pitched our pal Conald Burne an idea for 620 00:35:34,760 --> 00:35:37,800 Speaker 1: a good news show, and I said, let me do 621 00:35:37,920 --> 00:35:40,719 Speaker 1: a show where we're not always where we're kind of 622 00:35:40,800 --> 00:35:43,600 Speaker 1: fighting back when it's the news cycle of horrible things. 623 00:35:44,120 --> 00:35:46,000 Speaker 1: And uh, we had a call about it. We had 624 00:35:46,040 --> 00:35:48,439 Speaker 1: a pitch and then he he said it will never work. 625 00:35:50,200 --> 00:35:54,160 Speaker 1: People like darkness, and I was. I was surprised by 626 00:35:54,200 --> 00:35:56,680 Speaker 1: how blunt he was. But I still think that show 627 00:35:56,719 --> 00:35:59,680 Speaker 1: would have worked. Maybe a wave across someone. Someone did that. 628 00:36:00,200 --> 00:36:02,480 Speaker 1: Uh it was that dude from the office, So I 629 00:36:02,560 --> 00:36:05,439 Speaker 1: want to say Krasinski. He did like a good news 630 00:36:06,360 --> 00:36:13,040 Speaker 1: YouTube thing. It went, it went well for so much money, 631 00:36:13,360 --> 00:36:16,839 Speaker 1: that's right. And now, honestly, I haven't heard a thing 632 00:36:16,880 --> 00:36:18,839 Speaker 1: about this show. But I haven't heard a thing about 633 00:36:18,880 --> 00:36:20,799 Speaker 1: it since it was during covid or. I think people 634 00:36:20,800 --> 00:36:22,760 Speaker 1: are really in need of that. And then once everyone 635 00:36:22,800 --> 00:36:24,920 Speaker 1: thing was kind of back to normal, I think it's like, no, 636 00:36:24,960 --> 00:36:26,759 Speaker 1: I need to feel good to read, let's go back 637 00:36:26,760 --> 00:36:30,759 Speaker 1: to the misery. I was. I was ahead of my time. 638 00:36:30,960 --> 00:36:33,800 Speaker 1: But uh, it turns out whomever came up with the 639 00:36:33,880 --> 00:36:36,640 Speaker 1: idea for The Bachelor, which you you know as ton 640 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:39,879 Speaker 1: about Anna, they were arguably also ahead of their time. 641 00:36:40,680 --> 00:36:44,360 Speaker 1: Hold the phone, hold the remote control. We mentioned the 642 00:36:45,320 --> 00:36:48,320 Speaker 1: Bachelor at knowl as as you and I know, that 643 00:36:48,640 --> 00:36:52,680 Speaker 1: is one of as one of Anna's areas of expertise. 644 00:36:52,920 --> 00:36:55,239 Speaker 1: I think I think, my friend, this just turned into 645 00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:58,880 Speaker 1: a two part or what what say you, sir Brown? Yeah, totally. 646 00:36:59,000 --> 00:37:02,360 Speaker 1: It's something that we we planned the whole time though, right, No, no, 647 00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:05,319 Speaker 1: we didn't. Bachelor content has a way of ballooning. It's 648 00:37:05,360 --> 00:37:07,480 Speaker 1: just there's it's a lot that goes into it. And 649 00:37:07,560 --> 00:37:10,000 Speaker 1: not to mention, I mean it may sound like we're 650 00:37:10,000 --> 00:37:13,280 Speaker 1: just kind of wrap sing, you know, philosophical about reality 651 00:37:13,320 --> 00:37:16,640 Speaker 1: shows in general. There really is an interesting historical trajectory 652 00:37:16,719 --> 00:37:19,600 Speaker 1: to all this stuff, and there are connections and threads 653 00:37:19,640 --> 00:37:21,880 Speaker 1: throughout that I think we we try our best to 654 00:37:21,920 --> 00:37:24,759 Speaker 1: pull apart to some degree. M hm. And I love 655 00:37:24,800 --> 00:37:28,760 Speaker 1: the idea about the Bachelor ballooning because it's affected ridiculous history. 656 00:37:29,080 --> 00:37:32,400 Speaker 1: We're spinning this off into a second episode. Uh so, 657 00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:36,520 Speaker 1: so we're gonna say, a whole new series, a whole 658 00:37:36,600 --> 00:37:40,080 Speaker 1: new series. It's whoops all part Two's that's what we're 659 00:37:40,080 --> 00:37:43,919 Speaker 1: calling it. Uh So, here's here's our plan. Folks feel 660 00:37:44,000 --> 00:37:48,640 Speaker 1: ridiculous historians. We know this is a Thursday. We are 661 00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:51,879 Speaker 1: going to get cranking away on the second episode, which 662 00:37:51,920 --> 00:37:55,960 Speaker 1: will be coming to you on the very next Tuesday. 663 00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:59,200 Speaker 1: We can't wait to hear your thoughts about reality TV. 664 00:37:59,360 --> 00:38:01,440 Speaker 1: As you can tell, there's a lot of stuff in 665 00:38:01,560 --> 00:38:05,600 Speaker 1: here that surprised Noel and Max and myself about the history. 666 00:38:05,960 --> 00:38:08,960 Speaker 1: And thank goodness, we've got the one and only on 667 00:38:09,160 --> 00:38:13,200 Speaker 1: a here to guide us through. We're spoiler. I think 668 00:38:13,200 --> 00:38:15,200 Speaker 1: we're gonna learn a lot about The Bachelor. I don't know, 669 00:38:15,320 --> 00:38:17,920 Speaker 1: do you know much about it? I mean, I know 670 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:22,000 Speaker 1: that it looms large and popular culture, that's for sure, 671 00:38:22,239 --> 00:38:25,359 Speaker 1: but no, honestly, I barely know how it works. I mean, 672 00:38:25,440 --> 00:38:27,800 Speaker 1: it's sort of just another in a long line of 673 00:38:27,920 --> 00:38:30,879 Speaker 1: these type of dating shows and escalations. You know, I'm 674 00:38:30,880 --> 00:38:32,919 Speaker 1: more of a singled out kind of guy, or even 675 00:38:32,960 --> 00:38:34,920 Speaker 1: like the dating game from back in the day. It's 676 00:38:34,960 --> 00:38:38,040 Speaker 1: just a more elaborate version of those. Unless I'm completely 677 00:38:38,520 --> 00:38:41,160 Speaker 1: out of my tree. Do you guys know the recurring 678 00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:44,120 Speaker 1: SNL segment? I don't think they do anymore, but the 679 00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:46,880 Speaker 1: knock off of it, it's like what like one that 680 00:38:46,960 --> 00:38:48,960 Speaker 1: would be like car Hank, it's whoever is the host 681 00:38:49,040 --> 00:38:51,000 Speaker 1: that week, they'll be in there and like they just 682 00:38:51,120 --> 00:38:54,360 Speaker 1: like rotates like quick, like probably about ten second conversations 683 00:38:54,360 --> 00:38:57,880 Speaker 1: where it's like, oh, I like this, tell me about yourself, 684 00:38:58,400 --> 00:39:00,600 Speaker 1: and just keep rotating it through and through and through, 685 00:39:00,840 --> 00:39:03,760 Speaker 1: and it's like very much obviously a parody of The Bachelor. 686 00:39:04,080 --> 00:39:07,920 Speaker 1: Can I steal him for a second? Okay, m hmmm, 687 00:39:08,040 --> 00:39:10,640 Speaker 1: I like this. Yeah, that's awesome. It's based on an 688 00:39:10,719 --> 00:39:13,319 Speaker 1: improv game that's quite a lot of fun as well. 689 00:39:13,960 --> 00:39:18,600 Speaker 1: We are going to learn about all of this within 690 00:39:18,800 --> 00:39:23,440 Speaker 1: eye toward history and what reality television says about society 691 00:39:23,480 --> 00:39:26,520 Speaker 1: in general in Part two, So do tune in as 692 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 1: always thanks to our super producer, Mr Max Williams. Uh 693 00:39:31,080 --> 00:39:34,000 Speaker 1: the Bachelor of the like in the game show would 694 00:39:34,000 --> 00:39:36,200 Speaker 1: you Be the Bachelor? What kind of game show would 695 00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:39,200 Speaker 1: we be on? We could do a prank show maybe 696 00:39:39,600 --> 00:39:41,600 Speaker 1: or maybe more you ever you ever watched Deal or 697 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:43,800 Speaker 1: No Deal? I was getting all changed once and I 698 00:39:44,200 --> 00:39:46,800 Speaker 1: learned how Deal or No Deal works after being completely 699 00:39:46,880 --> 00:39:50,439 Speaker 1: mystified by it for years. That's an A plus game show, 700 00:39:50,480 --> 00:39:52,160 Speaker 1: by the way, that is an excellent game show in 701 00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:54,319 Speaker 1: my pack. I agree, I agree. We We actually didn't 702 00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,440 Speaker 1: want to leave even after my car was ready, right 703 00:39:56,560 --> 00:39:59,920 Speaker 1: though you were telling me that uh an absolute strange 704 00:40:00,040 --> 00:40:04,320 Speaker 1: or started breaking down dealers exactly right. Yes, yes, is 705 00:40:04,440 --> 00:40:06,279 Speaker 1: a momentous moment in my life. It was me and 706 00:40:06,360 --> 00:40:08,880 Speaker 1: my kid and the stranger saw that we were perplexed. 707 00:40:08,920 --> 00:40:11,360 Speaker 1: It was likely. Let me help you guys out, and 708 00:40:14,640 --> 00:40:16,440 Speaker 1: it actually can teach you some good skills. You know, 709 00:40:16,480 --> 00:40:19,000 Speaker 1: how to negotiate your own self. That's one thing I 710 00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:23,040 Speaker 1: love about Atlanta. It's not a perfect city, but man, 711 00:40:23,840 --> 00:40:27,000 Speaker 1: it's a friendly one. So thanks also to the good 712 00:40:27,040 --> 00:40:29,560 Speaker 1: people of Atlanta. Thanks to you for tuning in. No, 713 00:40:30,120 --> 00:40:33,520 Speaker 1: thanks to you man uh And of course thanks to 714 00:40:34,320 --> 00:40:38,120 Speaker 1: Jonathan Strickland ak the quister who will one be a 715 00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:42,359 Speaker 1: period on our reality show, Long May He Rain? Thanks 716 00:40:42,400 --> 00:40:45,800 Speaker 1: to Christopher us Yoda is here in spirit. Maxwell Van 717 00:40:45,920 --> 00:40:49,600 Speaker 1: Williams Uh first of his name, I believe I don't 718 00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:51,239 Speaker 1: know wh why am I getting all game of ze 719 00:40:51,320 --> 00:40:53,719 Speaker 1: all of a sudden, has nothing to do with reality television, 720 00:40:54,080 --> 00:40:56,880 Speaker 1: but it is what it is. Alex Williams, who composed 721 00:40:56,880 --> 00:40:59,880 Speaker 1: our theme and doesn't have a medieval sounding name treatment 722 00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,040 Speaker 1: from me, of course, Eve's Jeff Coat and Where would 723 00:41:03,080 --> 00:41:07,640 Speaker 1: we be without our research associates, Jeff Bartlett and Zach 724 00:41:07,880 --> 00:41:12,239 Speaker 1: Williams oh And once again, thanks to Anna and to Ben. 725 00:41:12,400 --> 00:41:15,880 Speaker 1: Thanks to you, I look forward to rejoining you in 726 00:41:16,040 --> 00:41:20,840 Speaker 1: real time very soon. I like this. We'll see you 727 00:41:20,880 --> 00:41:30,160 Speaker 1: next up Fox. For more podcasts from My Heart Radio, 728 00:41:30,239 --> 00:41:32,840 Speaker 1: visit the I Heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever 729 00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:34,520 Speaker 1: you listen to your favorite shows.