1 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,520 Speaker 1: The search goes on or the missing boyfriend now dead 2 00:00:12,400 --> 00:00:17,280 Speaker 1: Van life girl Gabby Petito? Why is he on the run? 3 00:00:17,760 --> 00:00:21,840 Speaker 1: Experts have largely debunked the theory that he has committed 4 00:00:21,880 --> 00:00:24,840 Speaker 1: suicide where his hiding out in the twenty five thousand 5 00:00:24,920 --> 00:00:28,720 Speaker 1: acres of swamp known as Carlton Reserve. But in the 6 00:00:28,800 --> 00:00:33,239 Speaker 1: last hours, a new lead shifts the focus and the 7 00:00:33,280 --> 00:00:46,120 Speaker 1: search for a so called boyfriend, Brian Laundry bombshell evidence 8 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:52,760 Speaker 1: now has a photo emerged showing Brian Laundry at Fort 9 00:00:52,840 --> 00:01:01,600 Speaker 1: DeSoto with Gabby Petito, photos taken in February before Gabby's murder. 10 00:01:02,120 --> 00:01:04,440 Speaker 1: Did the two of them go to Fort de Soto 11 00:01:04,560 --> 00:01:10,120 Speaker 1: to check out the campgrounds? The same campgrounds where Dwayne 12 00:01:10,200 --> 00:01:15,360 Speaker 1: Chapman dogged the bounty Hunters, says Brian Laundry's hiding out. 13 00:01:15,840 --> 00:01:18,560 Speaker 1: First of all, take a listen to this. The register 14 00:01:18,760 --> 00:01:21,720 Speaker 1: went through the gate. They're on camera. They were here, 15 00:01:21,880 --> 00:01:26,280 Speaker 1: and they did enter. They did come here allegedly. What 16 00:01:26,280 --> 00:01:30,000 Speaker 1: we're hearing is two people left on the eighth, three 17 00:01:30,040 --> 00:01:33,759 Speaker 1: people came in on the sixth, and two people left 18 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 1: on the eighth. I think he's been here for sure. 19 00:01:39,440 --> 00:01:42,360 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of little islands around the area 20 00:01:42,400 --> 00:01:44,959 Speaker 1: where we're at, that he could get to on a canoe. 21 00:01:45,400 --> 00:01:48,400 Speaker 1: We talked to the caretakers today on the islands and 22 00:01:48,480 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 1: they said he could be out here. He had he 23 00:01:50,880 --> 00:01:55,639 Speaker 1: was here for sure, not over in the swamp. You're 24 00:01:55,680 --> 00:01:59,440 Speaker 1: hearing the voice of Dwayne Chapman speaking to Fox News. 25 00:01:59,480 --> 00:02:01,400 Speaker 1: I want to hear that one more time because there's 26 00:02:01,440 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: a lot of information that Jackie one more time. Please, 27 00:02:04,720 --> 00:02:08,079 Speaker 1: the register went through the gate, they're on camera. They 28 00:02:08,120 --> 00:02:12,639 Speaker 1: were here, and they did enter, they did come here allegedly. 29 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,520 Speaker 1: What we're hearing is two people left on the eighth, 30 00:02:16,639 --> 00:02:20,239 Speaker 1: three people came in on the sixth, and two people 31 00:02:20,360 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: left on the eighth. I think he's been here for sure. 32 00:02:26,320 --> 00:02:29,280 Speaker 1: So there's a lot of little islands around the area 33 00:02:29,320 --> 00:02:31,880 Speaker 1: where we're at that he could get to on a canoe. 34 00:02:32,320 --> 00:02:35,280 Speaker 1: We talked to the caretakers today on the islands and 35 00:02:35,360 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: they said he could be out here, that he was 36 00:02:37,960 --> 00:02:43,119 Speaker 1: here for sure, not over in the swamp. Was he 37 00:02:43,240 --> 00:02:48,720 Speaker 1: there for sure, not in Carlton Reserve. It is entirely possible. Again, 38 00:02:48,800 --> 00:02:52,120 Speaker 1: you're hearing the voice of Dwayne Chapman speaking to Fox News, 39 00:02:52,160 --> 00:02:57,079 Speaker 1: and he is there at Fort DeSoto, about seventy seventy 40 00:02:57,080 --> 00:03:00,560 Speaker 1: five miles away from the Laundry home. Again, I'm Grace. 41 00:03:00,639 --> 00:03:02,079 Speaker 1: This is Crime Stories and I want to thank you 42 00:03:02,120 --> 00:03:04,639 Speaker 1: for being with us, with me an all star panel 43 00:03:04,639 --> 00:03:07,240 Speaker 1: to make sense of it all. First of all, Dale Carson, 44 00:03:07,360 --> 00:03:11,320 Speaker 1: high profile lawyer joining us out of Jacksonville, Florida. Also 45 00:03:11,720 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: former fed an FBI agent, which is significant today. Karen Stark, 46 00:03:16,960 --> 00:03:20,200 Speaker 1: renowned psychologists joining us out of Manhattan. You can find 47 00:03:20,200 --> 00:03:23,120 Speaker 1: her at karen start dot com. That's Karen with a CE. 48 00:03:23,639 --> 00:03:27,480 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCollum, Director, founder of the Coldcase Research Institute at 49 00:03:27,520 --> 00:03:33,840 Speaker 1: Coldcase Crimes dot org. Joseph Scott Morgan, death investigator, Professor Forensics, 50 00:03:33,919 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University and author of Blood Beneath My Feet. 51 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:46,040 Speaker 1: But first straight out to Massa's side, investigative reporter with WFLATV. Massa, 52 00:03:46,160 --> 00:03:48,240 Speaker 1: thank you so much for being with us. She is 53 00:03:48,360 --> 00:03:53,120 Speaker 1: joining us there in Florida. Massa, tell me where is 54 00:03:53,160 --> 00:03:58,680 Speaker 1: Fort de Soto and does that timeline that we're hearing from. 55 00:03:58,800 --> 00:04:04,440 Speaker 1: Chapman dive with reports of the neighbors that Brian Laundry 56 00:04:04,920 --> 00:04:10,120 Speaker 1: was at his home with his parents on September eleven, 57 00:04:10,720 --> 00:04:15,280 Speaker 1: the day that Gabby Petito was reported missing by her parents. 58 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:20,640 Speaker 1: Neighbors that say they saw laundry at his Northport home 59 00:04:21,080 --> 00:04:24,720 Speaker 1: with his parents getting into the family trut with an 60 00:04:24,720 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 1: attached camper on the back and taking off. Because I 61 00:04:28,000 --> 00:04:32,200 Speaker 1: think I'm hearing Chapman's say, three laundries went in on 62 00:04:32,279 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 1: the six to Fort de Soto and two left on 63 00:04:36,680 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 1: the eighth. First, what's Fort de Soto. Let's start with 64 00:04:40,400 --> 00:04:43,640 Speaker 1: that Massa. Okay, So first we'll start with Fort de Soto. 65 00:04:43,680 --> 00:04:46,719 Speaker 1: It's about seventy five miles away from the Laundry family home. 66 00:04:46,760 --> 00:04:49,880 Speaker 1: As you said, Nancy, it's about a thousand acres. This 67 00:04:50,040 --> 00:04:54,640 Speaker 1: is in Penella's County. It's fiveties. There's lots of secluded beaches. 68 00:04:54,680 --> 00:04:56,840 Speaker 1: People go out there to go fishing, people go out 69 00:04:56,839 --> 00:04:59,920 Speaker 1: there to take their dog. And late last night, Dog 70 00:05:00,040 --> 00:05:03,279 Speaker 1: the bounty hunter said that he had this huge lead, 71 00:05:03,360 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 1: this huge tip. As you know, he got involved in 72 00:05:05,440 --> 00:05:08,720 Speaker 1: this case on Saturday, and he told reporters last night 73 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,560 Speaker 1: that he got this new lead. We heard sound from 74 00:05:10,560 --> 00:05:14,240 Speaker 1: that off the top, and he said that the Laundry family, 75 00:05:14,480 --> 00:05:18,600 Speaker 1: on two separate occasions, had been to the campground at 76 00:05:18,680 --> 00:05:21,919 Speaker 1: Fort to Soto. There's two hundred and thirty six campsites 77 00:05:22,080 --> 00:05:25,479 Speaker 1: at this park. So, according to jobs the bounty Hunter, 78 00:05:25,720 --> 00:05:29,560 Speaker 1: September one to September third, the Laundryes went to Fort 79 00:05:29,600 --> 00:05:32,640 Speaker 1: to Soto, and he says they returned again and made 80 00:05:32,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 1: reservations from September sixth to September eighth. And this is 81 00:05:36,640 --> 00:05:40,280 Speaker 1: really the stunning piece of information, the allegation they came 82 00:05:40,279 --> 00:05:43,120 Speaker 1: out last night that three of them went in on 83 00:05:43,200 --> 00:05:47,119 Speaker 1: September six but only two of them left on September eighth. 84 00:05:47,160 --> 00:05:50,839 Speaker 1: So we're assuming that he's had access to the reservation 85 00:05:50,960 --> 00:05:53,880 Speaker 1: paperwork there. You do have to reserve. I spend some 86 00:05:53,920 --> 00:05:56,360 Speaker 1: time looking into that. This morning, you make reservations, so 87 00:05:56,400 --> 00:05:59,200 Speaker 1: there would be a record of the Laundry family at 88 00:05:59,279 --> 00:06:04,279 Speaker 1: this local Haitian. So he is talking about some surveillance video. 89 00:06:04,360 --> 00:06:08,120 Speaker 1: It's unclear right now if the surveillance video exists exactly 90 00:06:08,160 --> 00:06:11,680 Speaker 1: what it shows, but as you said, he is telling 91 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,400 Speaker 1: reporters that quote. For sure, he's absolutely positive that Brian 92 00:06:16,680 --> 00:06:20,440 Speaker 1: was there at least from September sixth to September eighth. 93 00:06:21,000 --> 00:06:25,320 Speaker 1: We do have our chopper monitoring several scenes here this morning. 94 00:06:25,920 --> 00:06:27,960 Speaker 1: I want to let you know the Penellas County Sheriff's 95 00:06:28,000 --> 00:06:32,039 Speaker 1: Office says that they are not conducting a search of 96 00:06:32,160 --> 00:06:35,000 Speaker 1: Fort to Soto and they are not aware of any 97 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,360 Speaker 1: sightings of Brian laundry at Forts to Soto. The FBI 98 00:06:38,560 --> 00:06:42,000 Speaker 1: is leading this investigation, but our chopper over the scene 99 00:06:42,000 --> 00:06:44,840 Speaker 1: this morning, we have not seen any law enforcement out 100 00:06:44,880 --> 00:06:47,640 Speaker 1: there searching. We are seeing news crew start to show up, 101 00:06:47,640 --> 00:06:49,160 Speaker 1: and we're going to have a news crew there as well. 102 00:06:50,200 --> 00:06:52,799 Speaker 1: Straight out to you, Cheryl McCollum, director of the Coldcase 103 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:57,359 Speaker 1: Research Institute. As you know, our family, big campers and 104 00:06:57,520 --> 00:07:02,040 Speaker 1: our VARs and but we're talking about out as Massa 105 00:07:02,080 --> 00:07:04,479 Speaker 1: has just told us. And Massa again, thank you for 106 00:07:04,520 --> 00:07:06,800 Speaker 1: being with us. There are two hundred and thirty six 107 00:07:06,880 --> 00:07:11,200 Speaker 1: camp camp sites there at Fort de Soto. Here's the thing. 108 00:07:11,960 --> 00:07:16,920 Speaker 1: In order to go through the gate appropriately or legally 109 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:20,560 Speaker 1: you have to or stay there, you have to sign in, 110 00:07:20,760 --> 00:07:24,040 Speaker 1: Like every camp site across the country, unless you're in 111 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:28,840 Speaker 1: what they call dispersed camping, because those two hundred and 112 00:07:28,840 --> 00:07:33,120 Speaker 1: thirty six sites they're reserved. It's like a hotel room. 113 00:07:33,600 --> 00:07:37,400 Speaker 1: You have to reserve it ahead of time and then 114 00:07:37,640 --> 00:07:41,000 Speaker 1: show up and they assign you a spot. If you're 115 00:07:41,000 --> 00:07:43,520 Speaker 1: familiar with the camp site, you can ask, oh, I 116 00:07:43,560 --> 00:07:47,240 Speaker 1: want my plot seventy one down by the lake, or 117 00:07:47,320 --> 00:07:50,520 Speaker 1: you can ask for a particular spot and you may 118 00:07:50,600 --> 00:07:53,080 Speaker 1: or may not get it. If you show up and 119 00:07:53,280 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: there's availability, you still have to sign in. So those 120 00:07:57,320 --> 00:08:03,600 Speaker 1: are pre registered spots. And what I'm wondering is did 121 00:08:03,600 --> 00:08:05,920 Speaker 1: they sign up ahead of time or did they give 122 00:08:05,960 --> 00:08:10,800 Speaker 1: their information to camp there? So it's not dispersed camping 123 00:08:10,840 --> 00:08:15,240 Speaker 1: like where Gabby and Laundry were out in Wyomi, literally 124 00:08:15,320 --> 00:08:20,040 Speaker 1: out in the wild. This is a controlled state camping spot. 125 00:08:20,240 --> 00:08:23,120 Speaker 1: I believe. Go ahead, Cheryl, it is Nancy. And here's 126 00:08:23,120 --> 00:08:27,440 Speaker 1: what jumps out at me. It means that Brian either 127 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:33,440 Speaker 1: had a nine to hold on, Hold on, You're on 128 00:08:33,480 --> 00:08:36,320 Speaker 1: a first name basis with Laundry. Now, what are you 129 00:08:36,280 --> 00:08:38,000 Speaker 1: going to invite him over to dinner when all this 130 00:08:38,120 --> 00:08:42,800 Speaker 1: is done? Well, he don't deserve to be formal. Yeah, okay, 131 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:46,960 Speaker 1: go ahead, Cheryl. To me, you're talking about a nine 132 00:08:47,080 --> 00:08:52,320 Speaker 1: to eleven day head start. Gabby's not even reported missing, 133 00:08:52,920 --> 00:08:58,640 Speaker 1: and he's already got the ability to have his parents 134 00:08:58,720 --> 00:09:02,160 Speaker 1: go to this camp site, and we dropped supplies, maybe 135 00:09:02,240 --> 00:09:05,880 Speaker 1: drop a burner phone, maybe drop some clothes, a flashlight, 136 00:09:06,320 --> 00:09:10,040 Speaker 1: then they're going to go back and then leave him. 137 00:09:10,080 --> 00:09:13,720 Speaker 1: So even though you know they arrived on the sixth, 138 00:09:13,800 --> 00:09:16,320 Speaker 1: they don't leave till the eighth. If he went ahead 139 00:09:16,360 --> 00:09:29,120 Speaker 1: and absconded on the sixth, that means eleven days. Crime 140 00:09:29,240 --> 00:09:34,160 Speaker 1: Stories with Nancy Grace Massa. Saiedi is joining us. They 141 00:09:34,160 --> 00:09:37,079 Speaker 1: are in Florida, Massa. What about all the neighbors that 142 00:09:37,160 --> 00:09:40,400 Speaker 1: claimed they saw him leaving and with an attached camper 143 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:44,080 Speaker 1: with his parents on September eleven. Yeah, so he got 144 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:47,840 Speaker 1: back to the Northport family home on September first. Some 145 00:09:48,000 --> 00:09:52,720 Speaker 1: neighbors across the street this day that they saw him 146 00:09:53,360 --> 00:09:56,559 Speaker 1: leave with the camper out back. As you said, I 147 00:09:56,640 --> 00:09:59,880 Speaker 1: was unaware of exactly what date the neighbors reported. Seeing that, 148 00:10:00,120 --> 00:10:03,120 Speaker 1: my understanding was they weren't exactly sure. But Dogs, the 149 00:10:03,120 --> 00:10:05,520 Speaker 1: bounty hunter, is saying September first to third is when 150 00:10:05,520 --> 00:10:09,760 Speaker 1: they left almost immediately upon coming home. Dog is saying 151 00:10:09,800 --> 00:10:13,640 Speaker 1: that there's I guess paperwork that confirms they immediately went 152 00:10:13,720 --> 00:10:17,600 Speaker 1: camping and then again going back camping September six to eighth. 153 00:10:17,640 --> 00:10:20,920 Speaker 1: I also wanted to clarify this is a county control site. 154 00:10:21,080 --> 00:10:24,959 Speaker 1: You can make reservations in person or online or buy 155 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,160 Speaker 1: the phone, and campsite one to eighty five is if 156 00:10:28,160 --> 00:10:30,360 Speaker 1: you have a van or a tent or something like that. 157 00:10:30,400 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 1: And according to dogs, he said that they stayed in 158 00:10:33,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: campground space number one during the first stop and they 159 00:10:37,320 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: stayed in space number fifteen from September sixth to eighth, 160 00:10:41,520 --> 00:10:43,800 Speaker 1: which again those details leave me to believe that he's 161 00:10:43,800 --> 00:10:47,239 Speaker 1: seen some sort of paperwork. Okay, do you mind everybody 162 00:10:47,360 --> 00:10:52,720 Speaker 1: with me on the scene. It's Massa SETI with WFLATV 163 00:10:53,040 --> 00:10:55,960 Speaker 1: joining us out of Florida. Can I please get you 164 00:10:56,360 --> 00:11:01,360 Speaker 1: first of all, Jackie, you look up. We have stated 165 00:11:01,440 --> 00:11:04,280 Speaker 1: in the past and where we got it that neighbors 166 00:11:04,320 --> 00:11:07,600 Speaker 1: saw him leaving the family home in Northport with the 167 00:11:07,679 --> 00:11:11,880 Speaker 1: red Dodge ram with an attached like a minicamper stuck 168 00:11:11,880 --> 00:11:14,320 Speaker 1: on the back on September eleventh. And what was so 169 00:11:14,360 --> 00:11:17,720 Speaker 1: significant about that was that that is the day that 170 00:11:17,800 --> 00:11:22,600 Speaker 1: Gabby Petito was formally reported missing by her own parents 171 00:11:22,679 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 1: up in Long Island. All right, Massa's said, just if 172 00:11:27,520 --> 00:11:30,960 Speaker 1: you would repeat that for everybody, because these dates are critical. 173 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:37,840 Speaker 1: I think Dwayne must have gotten the information off the 174 00:11:37,880 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: signing sheet and I'm curious, and I'll say this to you, 175 00:11:40,720 --> 00:11:42,720 Speaker 1: Dela Crossed in a minute, how they hey, did dogged 176 00:11:42,720 --> 00:11:44,880 Speaker 1: the bounty on or find it and the FBI didn't 177 00:11:44,920 --> 00:11:48,520 Speaker 1: find it? Or did they anyway? Back to those dates 178 00:11:48,559 --> 00:11:53,200 Speaker 1: because they're critical, Would you tell me the dates again? Yes, 179 00:11:53,480 --> 00:11:55,520 Speaker 1: I will tell you the dates again. So yeah, it 180 00:11:55,559 --> 00:11:58,400 Speaker 1: is possible that the SBI knows this information that they're 181 00:11:58,440 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 1: not releasing Ednancy as you said. But yes, So September 182 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,280 Speaker 1: first is when Brian Laundry came back to his home 183 00:12:06,360 --> 00:12:10,360 Speaker 1: and Northports home he shared with his Beyonce Gabby Potito, 184 00:12:10,480 --> 00:12:13,880 Speaker 1: except she wasn't with him this time. According to Dog 185 00:12:13,960 --> 00:12:18,160 Speaker 1: the Pounty Hunter, September first to the third, they went 186 00:12:18,280 --> 00:12:22,480 Speaker 1: camping about seventy five miles away and a different county 187 00:12:22,480 --> 00:12:26,600 Speaker 1: near Saint Pete Beach Fort Tosto Campgrounds. I'm not sure 188 00:12:26,600 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: what happened between September third or September they left went home. 189 00:12:30,679 --> 00:12:32,920 Speaker 1: Neighbors said they saw him, you know, mowing the lawn, 190 00:12:33,040 --> 00:12:36,520 Speaker 1: going bike riding with family somewhere, and between that timeframe 191 00:12:36,880 --> 00:12:41,160 Speaker 1: September six to September eighth, according to Dog the Bounty Hunter, 192 00:12:41,840 --> 00:12:46,760 Speaker 1: the family returned three people signing in at Fort to 193 00:12:46,880 --> 00:12:49,520 Speaker 1: Sota Park again and then leaving and this is the 194 00:12:49,559 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: part that's unclear to me. Leaving and he says only 195 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:55,240 Speaker 1: two people left, and he kind of I've seen just 196 00:12:55,360 --> 00:12:58,640 Speaker 1: different reports about what video supports this, like, how are 197 00:12:58,640 --> 00:13:01,520 Speaker 1: you looking into the car? Hour on, You're cutting out 198 00:13:01,520 --> 00:13:03,640 Speaker 1: on me. You're cutting out on me, Massa. Let's get 199 00:13:03,679 --> 00:13:06,960 Speaker 1: her set up again. Okay, let's analyze what Massa Sade 200 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,440 Speaker 1: is telling us. And this is based on the word 201 00:13:09,520 --> 00:13:13,800 Speaker 1: of Dwayne Chapman, dog the bounty hunter. Okay, Del Carson, 202 00:13:14,520 --> 00:13:17,560 Speaker 1: how does dog have it and the FBI doesn't have it? 203 00:13:17,600 --> 00:13:21,160 Speaker 1: You're the former FBI agent. Now, when an old dog 204 00:13:21,320 --> 00:13:24,520 Speaker 1: starts sniffing around, it's gonna kick up some things that 205 00:13:24,559 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: we've already discovered, right, So this isn't isn't news? Really 206 00:13:30,480 --> 00:13:33,360 Speaker 1: is to me, I've never heard you say anything about 207 00:13:33,440 --> 00:13:37,520 Speaker 1: camp Fort de Soto. He's been running ever since he 208 00:13:37,720 --> 00:13:42,720 Speaker 1: left Wyoming. Well, okay, so Del listen, tell me something 209 00:13:42,720 --> 00:13:46,959 Speaker 1: I don't know, all right, please, you're the high profile 210 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:50,800 Speaker 1: lawyer and the former FBI agent. I know he's on 211 00:13:50,840 --> 00:13:54,800 Speaker 1: the run. That's why we are together right now, because 212 00:13:54,800 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: Brian Laundry is on the run. My question to you, 213 00:13:58,120 --> 00:14:01,440 Speaker 1: Del Carson, is how come Dog the Bounty Hunter knows 214 00:14:01,480 --> 00:14:04,800 Speaker 1: about it and the fans don't know about it. He's 215 00:14:04,840 --> 00:14:07,080 Speaker 1: not afraid of a mic, as you said, and the 216 00:14:07,120 --> 00:14:10,240 Speaker 1: result is he's out kicking around in the dirt tried 217 00:14:10,320 --> 00:14:14,040 Speaker 1: to find you're willing to talk to them before they're 218 00:14:14,040 --> 00:14:16,720 Speaker 1: willing to talk to a law enforce because they're concerned. 219 00:14:16,880 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: If they talk to law enforcement, they're got to be 220 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 1: a witness, and nobody wants to be a federal witness 221 00:14:22,000 --> 00:14:26,480 Speaker 1: for anything. Okay, you know what that sounds like excuses 222 00:14:26,520 --> 00:14:30,240 Speaker 1: to me, Del Carson. And I appreciate that you're taking 223 00:14:30,320 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: up for your old compagures over at the FBI, and 224 00:14:35,120 --> 00:14:37,400 Speaker 1: I have all the respect for them. But Cheryl will 225 00:14:37,440 --> 00:14:40,920 Speaker 1: call that's that's a complete load of bs. Now that's 226 00:14:40,920 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: a technical legal term, but I want to give you 227 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:48,200 Speaker 1: the Latin interpretation of that. But Cheryl, what they didn't 228 00:14:48,240 --> 00:14:53,080 Speaker 1: tell the fans because they were afraid that's not right. Apparently, 229 00:14:53,400 --> 00:14:56,920 Speaker 1: Dog the Bounty Hunter has found something the fans either 230 00:14:57,120 --> 00:15:03,000 Speaker 1: found and discounted or didn't find. Cheryl, Well, let's just 231 00:15:03,120 --> 00:15:07,400 Speaker 1: be honest. I mean, the dog is excellent at his job. 232 00:15:07,840 --> 00:15:11,680 Speaker 1: He finds fugitives for a livin and he's good at it. 233 00:15:12,000 --> 00:15:15,080 Speaker 1: But I'm gonna state something that's probably pretty obvious, but 234 00:15:15,160 --> 00:15:17,160 Speaker 1: I ain't heard nobody say it, so I want to 235 00:15:17,160 --> 00:15:22,200 Speaker 1: say it. The number of mistakes that Brian Laundry made 236 00:15:22,880 --> 00:15:27,240 Speaker 1: from when the police were called when he's slapping her 237 00:15:27,840 --> 00:15:31,280 Speaker 1: to the van is spotted in its own video. He 238 00:15:31,440 --> 00:15:34,480 Speaker 1: sends a bogus text message that nobody believes that Gaby 239 00:15:34,560 --> 00:15:38,240 Speaker 1: said he left her body in the wide open we believe. 240 00:15:39,480 --> 00:15:41,800 Speaker 1: Then he drove his van straight to his mama's house. 241 00:15:42,160 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: Then he's outside where everybody can see him, not looking 242 00:15:45,160 --> 00:15:50,920 Speaker 1: for not concerned. Since September eleventh, he's made no mistakes. 243 00:15:52,040 --> 00:15:58,080 Speaker 1: That leads me to know somebody helped him, plan, execute, 244 00:15:58,600 --> 00:16:04,840 Speaker 1: and get ghosts. That is very insightful. There were a 245 00:16:04,840 --> 00:16:09,320 Speaker 1: lot of mistakes up until September eleven, and I guaran Tee, 246 00:16:09,480 --> 00:16:13,840 Speaker 1: you Karen start joining me, renowned psycho psychologists joining me 247 00:16:13,880 --> 00:16:19,360 Speaker 1: out of Manhattan. That every day that passes, the parents 248 00:16:19,440 --> 00:16:25,160 Speaker 1: are like he made it. Another day he's ten miles further. 249 00:16:27,120 --> 00:16:29,680 Speaker 1: I mean, you know that they are looking at that 250 00:16:29,840 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 1: calendar every day because the further away he gets, the 251 00:16:34,600 --> 00:16:37,520 Speaker 1: less likely he is ever going to be caught, Karen, 252 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:41,640 Speaker 1: I don't care what the parents, the lawyer is saying. 253 00:16:42,080 --> 00:16:46,880 Speaker 1: East parents have clearly helped him to get away. They 254 00:16:46,920 --> 00:16:51,760 Speaker 1: were not forthcoming. There was a lawyer immediately. Now we 255 00:16:51,920 --> 00:16:56,120 Speaker 1: hear about these trips. A neighbor spotted them, and I 256 00:16:56,160 --> 00:17:00,320 Speaker 1: am sure that they do not want their son clot 257 00:17:00,640 --> 00:17:04,520 Speaker 1: and they are helping him. And please, just like you said, 258 00:17:04,600 --> 00:17:07,960 Speaker 1: we believe that they that he can't be found. Right now, 259 00:17:08,359 --> 00:17:10,960 Speaker 1: I want to go to Joseph Scott Morgan, Professor Forensics, 260 00:17:11,000 --> 00:17:16,400 Speaker 1: Jacksonville State University. And remember, everybody on the panel, if 261 00:17:16,440 --> 00:17:20,280 Speaker 1: you've got a thought, don't hold back. Jump in all right, 262 00:17:20,400 --> 00:17:26,520 Speaker 1: fancy that was quick? Okay, I think sorry, Joe Scott, 263 00:17:27,359 --> 00:17:30,480 Speaker 1: is that Massasaiti? Yeah? Can I just say that I'm 264 00:17:30,520 --> 00:17:33,440 Speaker 1: so happy to find out that you're a tiny bit 265 00:17:33,520 --> 00:17:36,320 Speaker 1: rude like the rest of us. Jump in what because 266 00:17:36,320 --> 00:17:39,360 Speaker 1: you're right there on the same tell me. Yeah, So 267 00:17:40,000 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 1: just really quick. The laundry parents left this morning on Tuesday, 268 00:17:44,560 --> 00:17:47,080 Speaker 1: around eight thirty in the morning and their red truck 269 00:17:47,119 --> 00:17:51,200 Speaker 1: and they've just now returned home. And the protesters are back. 270 00:17:51,280 --> 00:17:53,760 Speaker 1: The protesters that have been showing up on the hour 271 00:17:53,840 --> 00:17:57,359 Speaker 1: all day yesterday, screaming with the bullhorns. They're back on scene. 272 00:17:57,400 --> 00:17:59,439 Speaker 1: Just wanted to give you back go ahead. You know 273 00:18:00,200 --> 00:18:07,040 Speaker 1: they've got to go out for Errand's. But the last time, 274 00:18:07,119 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 1: one of the last times they went out, many people 275 00:18:09,560 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: they had Brian laundry stuffed in the trunk. Climb stories 276 00:18:21,240 --> 00:18:24,200 Speaker 1: with Nancy Grace. Okay, Joe Scott, I want to analyze 277 00:18:24,880 --> 00:18:31,000 Speaker 1: do we think he's at Fort DeSoto? Could Dwayne Chapman 278 00:18:31,440 --> 00:18:35,879 Speaker 1: aka Dog be correct? And if so, how does he 279 00:18:35,960 --> 00:18:39,280 Speaker 1: know this? And the FBI doesn't. They're not out there searching, 280 00:18:39,560 --> 00:18:43,360 Speaker 1: which tells me they're not buying into his theory that 281 00:18:43,480 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: three people went in, two people went out. But I 282 00:18:46,880 --> 00:18:51,640 Speaker 1: am wondering because of all of those little islands that 283 00:18:51,720 --> 00:18:55,800 Speaker 1: you can very easily get to. Did they do a 284 00:18:55,920 --> 00:19:01,359 Speaker 1: drop Did they go there and leave a tent, prevent visions, money, 285 00:19:01,640 --> 00:19:05,000 Speaker 1: a burner phone for him to come back to and 286 00:19:05,080 --> 00:19:07,400 Speaker 1: get hang on, hang on. You didn't mention the one 287 00:19:07,440 --> 00:19:09,880 Speaker 1: that I'm thinking about. Did they did they send him 288 00:19:09,920 --> 00:19:13,000 Speaker 1: there with a single person? Kayak started looking at the 289 00:19:13,040 --> 00:19:15,560 Speaker 1: map around this area. I started looking at this and 290 00:19:15,560 --> 00:19:16,879 Speaker 1: I was thinking, you know, you can run down to 291 00:19:16,880 --> 00:19:21,040 Speaker 1: Walmart or Target or any number of the big box stores, 292 00:19:21,080 --> 00:19:23,960 Speaker 1: and you can actually buy these single person kayaks. And 293 00:19:24,000 --> 00:19:26,040 Speaker 1: of course they've got them for the beach, you know 294 00:19:26,200 --> 00:19:30,480 Speaker 1: down in Florida, Bob paddle and you know you're talking 295 00:19:30,480 --> 00:19:33,320 Speaker 1: about two trips. Well, you assess what you need. And 296 00:19:33,359 --> 00:19:37,359 Speaker 1: I'm looking at these various islands that you can access 297 00:19:37,359 --> 00:19:39,960 Speaker 1: out there. You've got summer resort key, You've got saw 298 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:44,240 Speaker 1: your key, You've got yo down. Okay, did you say 299 00:19:44,320 --> 00:19:48,200 Speaker 1: summer resort key, summer resort key, yep, saw your key. 300 00:19:49,280 --> 00:19:54,040 Speaker 1: It's like Tom sister key. Let's see, we've got shell key. 301 00:19:54,800 --> 00:19:57,200 Speaker 1: There's any number of these nancy that are out there. 302 00:19:57,240 --> 00:19:59,960 Speaker 1: And you know, for folks that don't understand, because I did, 303 00:20:00,359 --> 00:20:02,600 Speaker 1: you don't really understand what the difference between a key 304 00:20:02,680 --> 00:20:04,760 Speaker 1: and a and an island is. I don't know that. 305 00:20:04,800 --> 00:20:06,720 Speaker 1: I still do. It looks like an island to me. 306 00:20:07,520 --> 00:20:10,359 Speaker 1: It's but it's it's the area. There's kind of like 307 00:20:10,400 --> 00:20:13,680 Speaker 1: these sand flats that are all around it, and it's 308 00:20:13,760 --> 00:20:16,560 Speaker 1: kind of low growth vegetation on there. I would think 309 00:20:16,600 --> 00:20:18,760 Speaker 1: that it'd be kind of easy because these things are 310 00:20:18,760 --> 00:20:21,960 Speaker 1: always wind swept. It'd be kind of easy to appreciate 311 00:20:22,480 --> 00:20:25,399 Speaker 1: anybody that's out there. Nancy, and I was thinking something 312 00:20:25,400 --> 00:20:27,800 Speaker 1: that Dale had mentioned and we had talked about a 313 00:20:27,840 --> 00:20:31,359 Speaker 1: couple of days ago. You begin to think about the 314 00:20:31,480 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 1: FED their assets that are flying over these areas and halos, 315 00:20:35,720 --> 00:20:38,680 Speaker 1: and they've got infrared on there. I think that these 316 00:20:38,720 --> 00:20:42,639 Speaker 1: areas will be kind of easy to cover and assess 317 00:20:43,200 --> 00:20:45,040 Speaker 1: if this is a human or if this is some 318 00:20:45,119 --> 00:20:47,000 Speaker 1: other kind of animal that's out there. So I would 319 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:50,120 Speaker 1: imagine that he's got a head start, doesn't he. And 320 00:20:50,200 --> 00:20:53,600 Speaker 1: when you look just to just to the east, you 321 00:20:53,680 --> 00:20:57,800 Speaker 1: got the two seventy five corridor, that's an interstate highway connectivity. 322 00:20:57,960 --> 00:21:01,320 Speaker 1: You hop on seventy five be we're in the country. 323 00:21:01,520 --> 00:21:04,560 Speaker 1: I don't see him in a car unless he's changed 324 00:21:04,640 --> 00:21:09,720 Speaker 1: his appearance, and I'm wondering if that's already happened. I mean, 325 00:21:09,800 --> 00:21:12,560 Speaker 1: Cheryl McCall him. I guess the first thing he should do, 326 00:21:13,160 --> 00:21:16,280 Speaker 1: if he hasn't already done it, is shave his beard, 327 00:21:16,359 --> 00:21:21,000 Speaker 1: get rid of any obvious signs of tattoos and any 328 00:21:21,119 --> 00:21:26,080 Speaker 1: piercings that would identify him. That's all I can think 329 00:21:26,080 --> 00:21:29,159 Speaker 1: of right off the bat. Or don I'm going to 330 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:31,480 Speaker 1: grow his hair out so he didn't look in diet. 331 00:21:32,600 --> 00:21:38,040 Speaker 1: He could blend in with the homeless very easily. And lord, 332 00:21:39,119 --> 00:21:41,720 Speaker 1: I don't see him in any major metropolitan area where 333 00:21:41,800 --> 00:21:44,520 Speaker 1: homeless or congregating. I don't see that. I think he's 334 00:21:44,800 --> 00:21:47,480 Speaker 1: he's out there in the wind. And here's another Let 335 00:21:47,520 --> 00:21:49,639 Speaker 1: me just throw you another curveball. Take a listen to 336 00:21:49,680 --> 00:21:53,560 Speaker 1: our cut one seventy seven. This is Dwayne Chapman speaking 337 00:21:53,600 --> 00:21:57,000 Speaker 1: to Fox News. Now. I understand a number of the 338 00:21:57,080 --> 00:22:01,120 Speaker 1: leads have suggested check out the Appalachia and Trail. Why 339 00:22:01,280 --> 00:22:06,480 Speaker 1: is that, Well, the leads us have said that, and 340 00:22:06,520 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: the reason is because he spent a couple months there 341 00:22:10,680 --> 00:22:15,200 Speaker 1: in the past. And he is an outdoorsman. So he's 342 00:22:15,240 --> 00:22:19,159 Speaker 1: got t shirts on his social media with the mountains, 343 00:22:19,840 --> 00:22:22,960 Speaker 1: he's got pictures, he's been there before. So he's very young. 344 00:22:23,600 --> 00:22:27,520 Speaker 1: He's not an experienced criminal. He'll do what he should do. 345 00:22:27,640 --> 00:22:31,719 Speaker 1: He can't stay and shoplift and stay in cheap motels 346 00:22:31,920 --> 00:22:35,080 Speaker 1: or rob people like a lot of people that I chase. 347 00:22:36,200 --> 00:22:38,720 Speaker 1: This kid is an outdoorsman, so I think he went 348 00:22:38,800 --> 00:22:43,119 Speaker 1: to again where he's comfortable to the outdoors too. You 349 00:22:43,320 --> 00:22:47,080 Speaker 1: Kieran Stark and New York psychologists joining us from Manhattan. 350 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:49,840 Speaker 1: You and I have noted that in many, many cases, 351 00:22:49,880 --> 00:22:54,040 Speaker 1: people go where they're comfortable. Here's an example. Scott Peterson 352 00:22:54,080 --> 00:22:57,640 Speaker 1: didn't know what to do with Lacy Peterson's body. He's 353 00:22:57,680 --> 00:23:00,680 Speaker 1: a fisher person. He gets in that any boat that 354 00:23:00,720 --> 00:23:04,080 Speaker 1: he kept a secret from everybody. He goes fishing out 355 00:23:04,080 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 1: in San Francisco Bay. He leaves the marina that he's 356 00:23:07,520 --> 00:23:11,280 Speaker 1: familiar with and dumps her body. A jury believed it, 357 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:14,399 Speaker 1: and so do I. He knew what he was doing. 358 00:23:14,440 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 1: He was comfortable there. That's an example, and very often, 359 00:23:18,560 --> 00:23:23,040 Speaker 1: in fact, frequently you see criminals go back to the 360 00:23:23,080 --> 00:23:26,320 Speaker 1: scene of the crime, or they go somewhere they're comfortable. 361 00:23:26,440 --> 00:23:29,800 Speaker 1: If this guy has hide the Appalachian Trail, that would 362 00:23:29,840 --> 00:23:34,080 Speaker 1: be a sure far place that needs to be investigated. 363 00:23:34,160 --> 00:23:37,680 Speaker 1: Just like Eric Rudolph Karin Stark, I agree, Nanswy, he's 364 00:23:37,800 --> 00:23:42,479 Speaker 1: going to go to someplace where he can survive because 365 00:23:42,600 --> 00:23:45,840 Speaker 1: he doesn't have a phone, he doesn't have his wallet, 366 00:23:46,240 --> 00:23:49,879 Speaker 1: and he certainly knows how to exist in the worlderness. 367 00:23:49,920 --> 00:23:52,760 Speaker 1: We know that, and so I how could he go 368 00:23:52,920 --> 00:23:57,760 Speaker 1: to a metropolitan area and be able to camp out 369 00:23:57,800 --> 00:24:00,280 Speaker 1: and do what he's used to doing. But needs to 370 00:24:00,440 --> 00:24:02,520 Speaker 1: be out in the wilderness and beat up for a 371 00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:07,640 Speaker 1: very long time and do row watch his foyte. That's 372 00:24:07,640 --> 00:24:09,840 Speaker 1: what he knows how to do that. Sr. McCall, I 373 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 1: think that was huge. J Yes, I was gonna say, Nancy. 374 00:24:12,880 --> 00:24:15,760 Speaker 1: They always go where they know and where they're comfortable, 375 00:24:16,080 --> 00:24:19,200 Speaker 1: and just like Eric Robert Rudolph, he's going to be 376 00:24:19,240 --> 00:24:23,680 Speaker 1: caught only when he makes a mistake. Most people when 377 00:24:23,720 --> 00:24:26,840 Speaker 1: they go to the Appalachian Trail, they stay on the trail. 378 00:24:27,359 --> 00:24:29,920 Speaker 1: I've done part of it myself. I didn't veer off 379 00:24:29,920 --> 00:24:33,200 Speaker 1: the trail hardly at all. Is he's twenty yards off 380 00:24:33,200 --> 00:24:36,960 Speaker 1: that trail, seventy five yards off that trail. Ninety percent 381 00:24:37,000 --> 00:24:41,000 Speaker 1: of the people will never see him. They won't and 382 00:24:41,040 --> 00:24:44,679 Speaker 1: he's going to be able to hide literally very close 383 00:24:44,720 --> 00:24:48,439 Speaker 1: to other camp sites and primitive campsites and other people. 384 00:24:48,800 --> 00:24:52,040 Speaker 1: He will gather things that people leave behind, He'll steal 385 00:24:52,119 --> 00:24:54,560 Speaker 1: some food here and there while people are sleeping, and 386 00:24:54,600 --> 00:24:57,600 Speaker 1: he's going to keep it moving. He's gonna be very 387 00:24:57,680 --> 00:25:01,960 Speaker 1: difficult to find. Jeff And just yeah, Nancy, I lived 388 00:25:01,960 --> 00:25:04,639 Speaker 1: along the Appalachian Trail up in Delonaga, Georgia for almost 389 00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,280 Speaker 1: a decade. And this is the one This is the 390 00:25:07,320 --> 00:25:09,359 Speaker 1: one piece of this why I think that if he 391 00:25:09,440 --> 00:25:12,840 Speaker 1: was there, he could potentially be spotted. People that walk 392 00:25:12,880 --> 00:25:16,000 Speaker 1: the Appalachian Trail, the ATC, that's how they refer to 393 00:25:16,040 --> 00:25:19,840 Speaker 1: it as are very close knit community. These people are 394 00:25:19,880 --> 00:25:22,360 Speaker 1: aware of one another, they know where all the stops are. 395 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:26,320 Speaker 1: And Cheryl's right, he would have to forage essentially to 396 00:25:26,480 --> 00:25:29,120 Speaker 1: live up there. He's got to stick his head out. 397 00:25:29,160 --> 00:25:32,440 Speaker 1: This guy is on the radar. People that are walking 398 00:25:32,480 --> 00:25:34,359 Speaker 1: up down that trail, they're going to have an awareness 399 00:25:34,440 --> 00:25:39,320 Speaker 1: of this. And he is very distinctive, Nancy, in his appearance. Okay, 400 00:25:39,600 --> 00:25:42,800 Speaker 1: he will show, he will stand out from everybody else. 401 00:25:43,240 --> 00:25:46,040 Speaker 1: And also if he is underprepared in any way, maybe 402 00:25:46,040 --> 00:25:48,480 Speaker 1: he doesn't have the right right clothing this word thing. 403 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:51,920 Speaker 1: Keep in mind, he's coming up from Florida, Nancy. Guess what, 404 00:25:52,480 --> 00:25:56,120 Speaker 1: It's September now. Okay, temperatures have already started to dip. 405 00:25:56,160 --> 00:25:57,879 Speaker 1: He's going to survive out there. How's he going to 406 00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,479 Speaker 1: do that? Well, he's gonna need it's a lot different 407 00:26:00,520 --> 00:26:03,720 Speaker 1: at that elevation. He's going to need cool weather clothing 408 00:26:03,760 --> 00:26:07,399 Speaker 1: and on into coal weather. Thought of that, are you kidding? 409 00:26:07,800 --> 00:26:11,040 Speaker 1: Of course she thought of that and del Carson. Former 410 00:26:11,480 --> 00:26:15,560 Speaker 1: FBI agent Joe Scott says he wants he will that 411 00:26:15,720 --> 00:26:19,040 Speaker 1: he will stand out. I don't think he will stand out. 412 00:26:19,240 --> 00:26:22,080 Speaker 1: He'll have on me to clothes so not to a 413 00:26:22,160 --> 00:26:24,960 Speaker 1: jaw attention to himself. He'll be wearing a hat. Listen, 414 00:26:25,040 --> 00:26:29,520 Speaker 1: what Roger was saying is so true. And look, we 415 00:26:29,560 --> 00:26:33,639 Speaker 1: need to evaluate what he'd left at home and what 416 00:26:33,840 --> 00:26:37,760 Speaker 1: he took. If he took insulated long wear, then he's 417 00:26:37,760 --> 00:26:40,920 Speaker 1: headed north. If he took masks and a fenn, he's 418 00:26:41,000 --> 00:26:44,720 Speaker 1: headed south. And that's the kind of investigation. If there's 419 00:26:44,720 --> 00:26:48,640 Speaker 1: a book shelf with everything on it except the San 420 00:26:48,840 --> 00:26:54,239 Speaker 1: Juan directions, then it's a clue. And that amalgamation of 421 00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,880 Speaker 1: clues is what's going to lead to where he went. 422 00:26:57,359 --> 00:27:00,800 Speaker 1: And the parents have to notice, did he take staples 423 00:27:00,840 --> 00:27:03,520 Speaker 1: with him where he left? These are a twenty five 424 00:27:03,640 --> 00:27:08,160 Speaker 1: pound bag of rice, now been replaced in the family home. 425 00:27:18,320 --> 00:27:22,920 Speaker 1: Climb stories with Nancy Grace. I can tell you right 426 00:27:22,960 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 1: now what I packed in the twins backpack today. It 427 00:27:27,760 --> 00:27:31,960 Speaker 1: involved fresh grapes that I washed and pulled off for 428 00:27:32,160 --> 00:27:38,439 Speaker 1: them and called on those little those little rice crispy 429 00:27:38,560 --> 00:27:43,200 Speaker 1: treats individually packed. So if I know that and they're 430 00:27:43,240 --> 00:27:45,679 Speaker 1: only going to be gone for a few hours to school, 431 00:27:46,280 --> 00:27:49,600 Speaker 1: you want to tell me Mommy and Daddy didn't buy 432 00:27:49,680 --> 00:27:54,240 Speaker 1: him the right kind of clothing, provisions, money, the works. 433 00:27:55,040 --> 00:27:57,600 Speaker 1: What about it? Joe Scott, Well, yeah, you say they 434 00:27:57,960 --> 00:28:00,280 Speaker 1: got him the right clothes and everything. Were going to 435 00:28:00,320 --> 00:28:03,000 Speaker 1: buy winter clothes in Florida this time of year? I 436 00:28:03,000 --> 00:28:08,119 Speaker 1: think that's my question them. Off are they to Dix 437 00:28:09,200 --> 00:28:14,879 Speaker 1: because they have winterwar year round all the time for 438 00:28:14,960 --> 00:28:19,720 Speaker 1: people that go adventuring. And what about Amazon? Hello, Actually, 439 00:28:19,720 --> 00:28:23,840 Speaker 1: that's a great idea for them to get the Amazon 440 00:28:24,320 --> 00:28:27,879 Speaker 1: information and see if anything was ordered. That would be 441 00:28:27,920 --> 00:28:30,960 Speaker 1: a really good idea. Hey, Mazza SAIDI joining me there 442 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,680 Speaker 1: in Florida. I don't know if you remember or it's 443 00:28:33,720 --> 00:28:37,200 Speaker 1: still ongoing. The cult Mom Laurie Valle case. She really 444 00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:42,600 Speaker 1: tripped up by ordering her wedding dress and ring on 445 00:28:42,840 --> 00:28:48,280 Speaker 1: her dead husband's Amazon account before the wedding, before her 446 00:28:48,360 --> 00:28:52,240 Speaker 1: new groom's current wife, Tammy day Belle had even died. 447 00:28:52,800 --> 00:28:55,760 Speaker 1: See that's a bad look, wouldn't you agree? In fact, 448 00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:58,400 Speaker 1: to the point of being probitive at trial. You order 449 00:28:58,440 --> 00:29:02,160 Speaker 1: your wedding dress and wedding ring, and your groom's wedding 450 00:29:02,200 --> 00:29:07,160 Speaker 1: outfit for a beach wedding. Then two weeks later, your 451 00:29:07,200 --> 00:29:10,840 Speaker 1: boyfriend's wife dies in her sleep and you two take 452 00:29:10,880 --> 00:29:14,160 Speaker 1: off and you wear those clothes at your beach wedding 453 00:29:14,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 1: in Hawaii. Sounds like premeditation. I think they need to 454 00:29:19,560 --> 00:29:23,880 Speaker 1: be all up in the parents Amazon account. Yeah, so 455 00:29:23,920 --> 00:29:28,760 Speaker 1: they did conduct First, they conducted a search warrant on 456 00:29:29,160 --> 00:29:33,000 Speaker 1: electronic devices that were in the van. They went ahead 457 00:29:33,000 --> 00:29:35,120 Speaker 1: and did that. I believe it was about a week ago. 458 00:29:35,520 --> 00:29:38,480 Speaker 1: Then they went in and they got a search warrant 459 00:29:38,520 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: for the laundry family home. They spent a long time there, 460 00:29:42,640 --> 00:29:46,800 Speaker 1: going in and out with evidence boxes. So I imagine, 461 00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:49,000 Speaker 1: first of all, we do have winter clothes here, as 462 00:29:49,080 --> 00:29:52,120 Speaker 1: Nancy said in Florida, so you can buy some warm 463 00:29:52,120 --> 00:29:55,760 Speaker 1: weather clothes here right now. But yeah, obviously I believe 464 00:29:55,840 --> 00:29:58,320 Speaker 1: that the FBI would certainly be and you know, you 465 00:29:58,360 --> 00:30:00,840 Speaker 1: have experts to can speak to this better than I can, 466 00:30:00,920 --> 00:30:04,640 Speaker 1: but they certainly would be monitoring any sort of financial 467 00:30:04,640 --> 00:30:09,680 Speaker 1: activity of the family. If they were I guess uncareful 468 00:30:09,840 --> 00:30:12,160 Speaker 1: enough us to go out to the local Walmart and 469 00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:15,680 Speaker 1: buy a canoe and to buy a bunch of clothes. 470 00:30:15,720 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: That that is information that I would suspect the FBI 471 00:30:19,320 --> 00:30:21,880 Speaker 1: would be aware of and something that they would look into. 472 00:30:22,240 --> 00:30:24,920 Speaker 1: Let's just say his family knew on the twenty eighth 473 00:30:25,000 --> 00:30:27,840 Speaker 1: or twenty ninth when he was driving home. There's an issue. 474 00:30:28,080 --> 00:30:30,880 Speaker 1: You mean Gabby's dead body. You're calling that an issue. 475 00:30:30,920 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: But okay, you say Tomato, I say, Tomato, go ahead. 476 00:30:34,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: That their son is involved in something hideous and heartbreaking. Yes, 477 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:42,479 Speaker 1: but I'm sure he lied to them in the beginning, 478 00:30:42,520 --> 00:30:44,920 Speaker 1: and slowly the truth came out. So that's why I'm 479 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:50,080 Speaker 1: saying they immediately when he supposedly allegedly went hiking, he 480 00:30:50,280 --> 00:30:54,280 Speaker 1: left behind his wallet and phone. Again, he's being told 481 00:30:54,520 --> 00:30:58,000 Speaker 1: leave these things behind so that you're not detected. He's 482 00:30:58,040 --> 00:31:01,000 Speaker 1: got help where he's not making mistake to anymore. They 483 00:31:01,040 --> 00:31:03,720 Speaker 1: would have used back roads. No LPRs are going to 484 00:31:03,960 --> 00:31:06,920 Speaker 1: hit on those roads. They're going to use cash. If 485 00:31:06,920 --> 00:31:10,000 Speaker 1: they were to have gone to Walmart and bought the 486 00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:13,719 Speaker 1: kayak in a lantern in flashlights and handwarmers and that 487 00:31:13,760 --> 00:31:16,000 Speaker 1: sort of thing, and they would have used self checkout, 488 00:31:16,040 --> 00:31:20,120 Speaker 1: they wouldn't even have another person see them. This person 489 00:31:20,200 --> 00:31:23,000 Speaker 1: that's helping him, which I personally believe as his mother 490 00:31:23,600 --> 00:31:28,680 Speaker 1: has not made one mistake. She's been ahead of everybody 491 00:31:29,320 --> 00:31:33,920 Speaker 1: four weeks and has played this thing almost perfectly. Okay, 492 00:31:34,240 --> 00:31:38,240 Speaker 1: del Carson. Look, he's an outdoorsman. He has all that 493 00:31:38,360 --> 00:31:42,120 Speaker 1: gear in his house. You buy stuff in preparation for 494 00:31:42,240 --> 00:31:45,960 Speaker 1: those kinds of journeys if you're an out endorsement. So 495 00:31:46,080 --> 00:31:48,080 Speaker 1: all that stuff's already in his house. He doesn't have 496 00:31:48,120 --> 00:31:51,160 Speaker 1: to go out and buy anything. He just has to 497 00:31:51,160 --> 00:31:53,880 Speaker 1: select what he's going to take. And that's the evidence 498 00:31:54,240 --> 00:31:57,080 Speaker 1: that will tell us which way he went, because you 499 00:31:57,160 --> 00:31:59,720 Speaker 1: look at an inventory of stuff, and if he took 500 00:31:59,800 --> 00:32:03,280 Speaker 1: in slated under where, well here's the same Dell Carson. 501 00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:06,440 Speaker 1: That's great in a perfect world, But sadly, I don't 502 00:32:06,440 --> 00:32:08,959 Speaker 1: think we have a before and aftershot of what's in 503 00:32:09,000 --> 00:32:12,920 Speaker 1: the home before September eleven and what's not in the 504 00:32:13,000 --> 00:32:16,480 Speaker 1: home today. So that's not that's not going to happen, 505 00:32:16,880 --> 00:32:19,600 Speaker 1: So don't say that anymore. I wish you would happen, 506 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:23,080 Speaker 1: and you're right, but I don't think that's possible that 507 00:32:23,200 --> 00:32:26,040 Speaker 1: we can find out what they had before September eleven, 508 00:32:26,080 --> 00:32:30,280 Speaker 1: when Gabby was reported missing. Uh, Normally I would think 509 00:32:30,320 --> 00:32:32,320 Speaker 1: that's a great idea, but we don't. I don't think 510 00:32:32,360 --> 00:32:36,880 Speaker 1: that's going to be possible. What about money withdrawals? What 511 00:32:37,000 --> 00:32:40,360 Speaker 1: about money with drawls? Massa said, joining me there in Florida, 512 00:32:40,400 --> 00:32:43,200 Speaker 1: And I don't mean just ATM I mean like going 513 00:32:43,240 --> 00:32:46,400 Speaker 1: to the bank and getting it out of the bank 514 00:32:46,440 --> 00:32:50,120 Speaker 1: in person. I don't know what kind of a trail 515 00:32:50,200 --> 00:32:55,440 Speaker 1: that would leave, but definitely a trail to if they 516 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: paid in cash, showed that they're taking out quantities of cash. 517 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:01,360 Speaker 1: I mean, I doubt this is anything that the FBI 518 00:33:01,400 --> 00:33:04,520 Speaker 1: haven't already thought of, but hey, now a dog the 519 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:10,040 Speaker 1: bounty hunter coming out with something significant information, conceivably out 520 00:33:10,040 --> 00:33:13,360 Speaker 1: of four DeSoto. I don't know what the fans are doing, Massa. Yeah, 521 00:33:13,400 --> 00:33:15,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I think regardless of how much of a 522 00:33:16,000 --> 00:33:18,440 Speaker 1: head start they had, you know, the whole country, nobody 523 00:33:18,480 --> 00:33:22,320 Speaker 1: was looking at this. Certainly before September, she wasn't even 524 00:33:22,360 --> 00:33:25,720 Speaker 1: declared a missing person, and they had so much time 525 00:33:25,760 --> 00:33:28,320 Speaker 1: to work on this. If it's true that they in 526 00:33:28,400 --> 00:33:31,000 Speaker 1: fact did assist him in any way, I do want 527 00:33:31,040 --> 00:33:33,320 Speaker 1: to just point out they did release a statement yesterday 528 00:33:33,360 --> 00:33:35,080 Speaker 1: that they don't know where he is they're concerned to 529 00:33:35,160 --> 00:33:37,040 Speaker 1: hope that FBI can find him. That was a statement 530 00:33:37,080 --> 00:33:40,680 Speaker 1: the parents released through their attorney. But it would be 531 00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:45,120 Speaker 1: hard to imagine, Nancy, that they could, you know, cover 532 00:33:45,280 --> 00:33:50,239 Speaker 1: up everything. They're not criminal masterminds here. If they do 533 00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,720 Speaker 1: have any wrongdoing in the ends here, I will tell 534 00:33:52,760 --> 00:33:55,840 Speaker 1: you if you even go by the parents' own timeline here, 535 00:33:56,960 --> 00:33:59,560 Speaker 1: even according to the parents, if you believe what they say, 536 00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:04,000 Speaker 1: September fourteenth is the last time that they saw Brian Laundry. 537 00:34:04,080 --> 00:34:06,960 Speaker 1: So he's been gone, even by the parents' account, for 538 00:34:07,680 --> 00:34:11,120 Speaker 1: exactly two weeks today, and if you want to believe 539 00:34:11,120 --> 00:34:13,759 Speaker 1: what dogs the bounty hunter is saying, it's been much 540 00:34:13,800 --> 00:34:16,040 Speaker 1: longer than that. I would be one two three weeks 541 00:34:16,080 --> 00:34:19,680 Speaker 1: tomorrow that he's been gone, so a significant headstart, but 542 00:34:19,800 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: definitely they would leave the trail regardless. I believe, Okay, 543 00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:26,440 Speaker 1: final fought what about a Dell Carsons. Look, I think 544 00:34:26,480 --> 00:34:29,880 Speaker 1: that it's going to be the FBI that searched the 545 00:34:29,960 --> 00:34:34,080 Speaker 1: house twice now, which is unusual, to look for things 546 00:34:34,160 --> 00:34:37,560 Speaker 1: that were either left behind or taken, and that's the 547 00:34:37,640 --> 00:34:42,800 Speaker 1: way we ultimately determine where he went. And of course 548 00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:45,600 Speaker 1: the parents know the answer to that question, because, as 549 00:34:45,640 --> 00:34:50,960 Speaker 1: I mentioned before, those people are there watching what their 550 00:34:50,960 --> 00:34:54,120 Speaker 1: son does. They would have supplied him with not only money, 551 00:34:54,520 --> 00:34:57,239 Speaker 1: but food supplies and those sorts of things. And that's 552 00:34:57,280 --> 00:34:59,920 Speaker 1: why they're not worried in the least that the FBI 553 00:35:00,080 --> 00:35:02,600 Speaker 1: and everybody else in the world's out looking for their son. 554 00:35:03,040 --> 00:35:07,600 Speaker 1: Karen start I agree, Nancy. I feel like the clue 555 00:35:08,200 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: what everybody needs to concentrate on are the parents that's 556 00:35:12,560 --> 00:35:17,520 Speaker 1: so connected to this. And unfortunately, he really could survide 557 00:35:17,520 --> 00:35:20,880 Speaker 1: out there. We know that. So let's just hope he 558 00:35:21,000 --> 00:35:25,640 Speaker 1: trips up somehow or the parents give something away. Cheryl McCollum. 559 00:35:25,800 --> 00:35:28,640 Speaker 1: He will trip himself up. He will make a mistake 560 00:35:28,680 --> 00:35:32,239 Speaker 1: because he will not have his mama guiding him, and 561 00:35:32,320 --> 00:35:35,480 Speaker 1: eventually his parents are going to be arrested as accessories. 562 00:35:35,480 --> 00:35:39,680 Speaker 1: After the fact, they deny all wrongdoing. Just Goot Morgan, Hey, 563 00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,600 Speaker 1: I gotta say, Nancy, dad is a business owner. He's 564 00:35:42,680 --> 00:35:46,879 Speaker 1: probably got multiple LLCs. I think that the FBI needs 565 00:35:46,920 --> 00:35:49,719 Speaker 1: to start shaking the trees when it comes to finances 566 00:35:50,000 --> 00:35:53,319 Speaker 1: and relative to how they're getting him money. It's not 567 00:35:53,400 --> 00:35:55,360 Speaker 1: going to come from their personal accounts. It's going to 568 00:35:55,440 --> 00:35:57,760 Speaker 1: come from some kind of business account in my opinion, 569 00:35:57,880 --> 00:36:01,280 Speaker 1: good thanking Massa said each any mean they're in Florida. 570 00:36:01,680 --> 00:36:04,400 Speaker 1: I know they search is scaling back at Carlton Reserve 571 00:36:04,480 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: and the FBI staying they are now focusing more on 572 00:36:07,040 --> 00:36:13,480 Speaker 1: quote intelligence. I wonder what that means, any idea. You know? 573 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:18,040 Speaker 1: We did see when the search starts from reserved twenty 574 00:36:18,080 --> 00:36:21,279 Speaker 1: five thousand acres of the Northport entrance is near where 575 00:36:21,320 --> 00:36:23,920 Speaker 1: the family's house was. That's where they were initially searching. 576 00:36:24,000 --> 00:36:26,359 Speaker 1: Then they moved over to the Venice side. That's where 577 00:36:26,440 --> 00:36:30,960 Speaker 1: we saw the huge search effort happening. All quiet this morning. 578 00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,440 Speaker 1: We did have our chopper go over the scene. Nobody 579 00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:37,320 Speaker 1: is searching there right now. Water is a significant issue. 580 00:36:37,480 --> 00:36:40,359 Speaker 1: The rain has gotten worse, the flooding has gotten worse 581 00:36:40,440 --> 00:36:42,640 Speaker 1: in the past few days. So we don't know if 582 00:36:42,680 --> 00:36:45,400 Speaker 1: that's what has stopped them from searching, but as far 583 00:36:45,480 --> 00:36:47,920 Speaker 1: as we can see, no searches are being conducted there 584 00:36:48,000 --> 00:36:49,919 Speaker 1: this morning. I will tell you Nancy that I really 585 00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,800 Speaker 1: think the public is going to be key here moving forward. 586 00:36:53,880 --> 00:36:56,439 Speaker 1: As you know, the YouTubers were the ones who helped 587 00:36:56,520 --> 00:36:59,080 Speaker 1: locate Gabby's body, and I think now that dogs a 588 00:36:59,120 --> 00:37:02,880 Speaker 1: bounty hunter. I've told the world about this lead at 589 00:37:02,920 --> 00:37:04,920 Speaker 1: Fort Tosta Park. I think you're going to see in 590 00:37:05,000 --> 00:37:07,839 Speaker 1: the coming days people that have been at that park 591 00:37:08,000 --> 00:37:10,399 Speaker 1: starts to come forward, and I think we could get 592 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:14,319 Speaker 1: answers there that way. One eight hundred call FBI one 593 00:37:14,440 --> 00:37:18,360 Speaker 1: eight hundred, two two five, five three two four The 594 00:37:18,520 --> 00:37:22,560 Speaker 1: Search for Brian Laundry Nancy Grace signing off, goodbye friend,