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Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: Diddy's ten million dollars defense starts today this as we

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Speaker 2: learn the jury is in fear of sitting on the

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Speaker 2: Ditty trial. I'm Nancy Grace, this is Crime Stories. Thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us.

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Speaker 3: Cassie Ventura is set to take the stand, with prosecutors

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Speaker 3: expected to highlight a twenty sixteen hotel assault caught on video.

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Speaker 2: The trial of Sean Combs started early this morning in

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Speaker 2: a Manhattan courtroom, a joining men all star panel to

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Speaker 2: make sense of what we know right now. Straight out

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Speaker 2: to Lauren Conlin, joining US co host Pop Crime TV. Lauren,

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Speaker 2: thank you for being with us. Tell me about what happened.

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Speaker 2: First thing this morning.

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Speaker 4: Cork began this morning with Diddy asking the judge for

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Speaker 4: more water or The judge said something like do you

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Speaker 4: have enough water? And he said, could I have some

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Speaker 4: Warrior on her? Diddy appeared to be wearing a light

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Speaker 4: cream colored sweater, which I thought was a great choice

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Speaker 4: for a defendant.

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Speaker 1: He had his glasses on.

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Speaker 4: He was looking through some paperwork at the beginning of

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Speaker 4: the morning, and he would turn around to smile at

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Speaker 4: his mom and wave to his family who were in

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Speaker 4: the front row. He gave a thumbs up at one point.

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Speaker 4: I actually saw Janis Colmes, his mother in the lobby

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Speaker 4: this morning, and she was wearing an all black suit

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Speaker 4: a black purse, and she looked like she was going

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Speaker 4: to a funeral. To be honest, I also want to

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Speaker 4: point out that when the jury walked in, Diddy did

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Speaker 4: not take his eyes off of them.

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Speaker 1: He watched their every move.

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Speaker 2: This as we are learning, the jury is actually in fear.

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Speaker 2: In fact, the judge was afraid to impanel a jury

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Speaker 2: on Friday, thinking they would back out with.

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Speaker 1: Cold feet over the weekend. Listen.

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Speaker 5: The original plan was for jury selection to be completed

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Speaker 5: on Friday, but Ditty's lawyers for a delay, raising concerns

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Speaker 5: more jurors would get cold feet. Between Friday and Monday,

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Speaker 5: the court received an email from one potential juror asking

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Speaker 5: to be left off the panel for issues of personal

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Speaker 5: well being. According to the Combs Team, prosecutors strongly opposed

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Speaker 5: the delay. Judge on Run's Supermanian agreed with the defense.

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Speaker 2: Okay to Eric fattis, veteran trial lawyer joining me out

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Speaker 2: of the Denver, Colorado jurisdiction partner Varner Fattus elite legal

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Speaker 2: former prosecutor. That's not good when the jury is afraid

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Speaker 2: to be in the box. The jury box.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, yikes. I mean, this is a high profile case.

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Speaker 6: There is a ton at stake, and Nancy I'm Cria

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Speaker 6: Wild called a judge, actually declined to give Diddy bond

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Speaker 6: because there were concerns that he was engaging in witness

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Speaker 6: tampering or witness intimidation. Those same concerns could translate to

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Speaker 6: this jury and it could cause them to get old

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Speaker 6: feed or otherwise be considering that when they're deciding the case,

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Speaker 6: which is obviously.

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Speaker 2: It wouldn't be the first time that a jury had

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Speaker 2: been harassed, put in fear, or tampered with.

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Speaker 1: Listen.

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Speaker 5: John Gotti earned the nickname Teflon Dawn after he was

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Speaker 5: acquitted in multiple trials, likely due to jury tampering and

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Speaker 5: witness intimidation. This seems to be confirmed when a juror

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Speaker 5: who helped to quit Gody in a racketeering case was

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Speaker 5: convicted of taking a bribe. Jimmy Hoffel was also charged

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Speaker 5: with unlawfully, wilfully and knowingly conspiring with six co conspirators

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Speaker 5: to influence members of a jury. He was accused of

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Speaker 5: offering ten thousand dollars to the families of two jurors

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Speaker 5: for an acquittal vote, and offering to get the police

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Speaker 5: husband of another juror a promotion. Clarence Darrow was in

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Speaker 5: the company of his chief investigator when the two men

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Speaker 5: were arrested for bribery. Darrow was defending brothers on bombing charges.

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Speaker 5: Police say Darrow's investigator passed four thousand dollars to a

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Speaker 5: prospective jury member for a not guilty vote.

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Speaker 2: You would have to be living under a rock in

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Speaker 2: a cave on the other side of the world not

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Speaker 2: to know that there are allegations that Sean Combs ordered

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Speaker 2: a hit our murder on Tupac Shaker Listen Dwayne Keethy.

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Speaker 7: D Davis claims credit for Tupac's murder on bet And

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Speaker 7: in his memoir, he says Puffy Combs wanted Knight and

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Speaker 7: Tupac's heads after their disc track hit them up. When

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Speaker 7: Davis offers to carry out the hits, Combs agrees to

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Speaker 7: pay him one million dollars. Davis Anderson, Terrence Brown, and

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Speaker 7: DeAndre Smith stake out the club where Shea Cour is performing,

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Speaker 7: but Tupac's a no show, driving down the strip, they

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Speaker 7: U turn in their white Cadillac. Davis passes Anderson the gun,

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Speaker 7: and Anderson leans over Smith to shoot Tupac.

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Speaker 8: Who wiped it?

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Speaker 9: Oh quick?

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Speaker 2: You know it's not who brought up the amount of

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Speaker 6: Heed Puffy Biggie ever involved in any of these conversations.

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Speaker 8: That you know, because it's always just.

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Speaker 2: This is all full you're doing straight out to Robert

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Speaker 2: Crispin joining US private investigator, former Federal Task Force officer USDJ,

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Speaker 2: also with Deea now at Crispin Special Investigations. Crispin, thank

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Speaker 2: you for being with us your state out in front

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Speaker 2: of Ditty's home there in Florida where it all started

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Speaker 2: with the bust, I want to hear how the neighbors

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Speaker 2: are taking today. But more important, you think if this

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Speaker 2: jury has seen the Cassie video and they all have

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Speaker 2: an opinion on it, you think they don't know about

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Speaker 2: the hit on Tupac's You cur.

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Speaker 10: Yeah, that's going to kind of tie it in, isn't it.

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Speaker 10: And they're going to wonder, like, boy, that's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 7: But you know, Nancy, I'm coming.

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Speaker 10: To you live out in front of Diddy's house here

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Speaker 10: in Star Island in Miami Beach. And if today is

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Speaker 10: any indication of what's going on in Diddy's world as

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Speaker 10: his trial starts, it's a dark, rainy day. The neighbors

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Speaker 10: are really happy that there's no more attention, there's no

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Speaker 10: more late parties, three four day benders, the drugs in

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Speaker 10: that white gay behind me. That's where the Feds went

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Speaker 10: in with their shirt shard. That's where the drugs came out.

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Speaker 10: That's where the electronic evidence came out. That's where everything

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Speaker 10: started to unfold for Diddy before he got indicted.

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Speaker 2: I just find it very difficult to believe that the

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Speaker 2: jury has seen the Cassie video already, which they're going

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Speaker 2: to see a trial anyway, that they don't know about

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Speaker 2: the hit on Tupac Shakur. Which gets to my point, Crispin,

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Speaker 2: that gurrrs one jurrr backed out and said he was

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Speaker 2: afraid for his own and his family's safety, got cold

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Speaker 2: feet and want it off the panel. And that's the

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Speaker 2: one that would speak out. Have you ever had a

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Speaker 2: case where gurrrs or witnesses were actually afraid?

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Speaker 8: Oh?

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Speaker 1: Absolutely, And that's a very real fear.

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Speaker 10: Because if he's fould guilty, revenge is best served on

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Speaker 10: a cold plate, and these people are gonna be looking

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Speaker 10: over their shoulder all the time. In drug cases in Miami,

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Speaker 10: same thing. You want to sit there and look a

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Speaker 10: drug lord in the eye and convict him when you

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Speaker 10: have a wife, kids. These are everyday people that get

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Speaker 10: jury subpoenas and end up sitting on these high profile cases.

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Speaker 10: And there's a lot at stake when you hit either

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Speaker 10: that guilty or that not guilty box on that jury form.

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Speaker 10: That's an issue and I would be afraid to.

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Speaker 2: Doctor Bethany Marshall joining us a high profile PSYCHOANALYSTID of

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Speaker 2: the LA jurisdiction, author of deal Breaker. You can see

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Speaker 2: her currently on Peacock and find her at doctor Bethany

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Speaker 2: Marshall dot com. Doctor Bethany, I think that the jury

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Speaker 2: wants to do the right thing. I think in their

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Speaker 2: heart of hearts they want to serve on the jury. Yes,

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Speaker 2: they want to be impartial, but the reality is when

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Speaker 2: you have a family at home, children, right, it's not

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Speaker 2: just about you any more. I've had jurrrs on gang

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Speaker 2: relady cases, gang cases say right up front, I've heard

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Speaker 2: about the case. I can't sit on this jury. I've

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Speaker 2: got children, they're very they were in inter city Atlanta,

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Speaker 2: Fulton County. I don't know if they're being upfront in

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Speaker 2: the ditty trial, but I do know that one juror

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Speaker 2: set I want off the panel because I'm afraid. I mean,

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Speaker 2: I think they want to do the right thing. But

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Speaker 2: when push comes to shove and it's going home to

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Speaker 2: their children and their family, I don't know. What do

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Speaker 2: you think? This is real?

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Speaker 6: Sure?

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Speaker 2: Very often, Bethany, you hear me say that's bs. That's

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Speaker 2: just in the movies, that's in a book. You know,

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Speaker 2: that's on a TV series, that doesn't happen in real life.

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Speaker 2: This actually happens. I know for a fact, Nancy.

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Speaker 9: This is no fairy tale, This is no novel. This

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Speaker 9: is a real life story. And yes, jurors want to

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Speaker 9: do their civic duty. I think we all do. But

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Speaker 9: as I tell my patients and my practice, your duty

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Speaker 9: is always to your family first, above all, your spouse

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Speaker 9: and your children. Your job is to keep your family safe.

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Speaker 9: If you abdicate that role, who is going to be

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Speaker 9: there for them? And you know, not only are the

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Speaker 9: jurors at risk, the judge as at risk. You and

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Speaker 9: I have covered many cases where judges and their families

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Speaker 9: have been targeted. And then what about when the case

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Speaker 9: is over, These jurors forever will be known as the

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Speaker 9: people who either vindicated or convicted p didty And there

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Speaker 9: are people on both sides that will love and more

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Speaker 9: importantly hate them. And finally, Nancy, what about all those

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Speaker 9: celebrities who could be exposed throughout the course of this trial,

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Speaker 9: or if he did it gets convicted, information starts to

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Speaker 9: roll out. Those celebrities may have a vested interest in

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Speaker 1: Crime stories with Nancy Grace.

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Speaker 2: This morning and all kicked off with Shawn Cone's walking

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Speaker 2: into the courtroom with a dry mouth asking for more water.

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Speaker 2: And I know for a fact that at every jury trial,

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Speaker 2: each side, state and defense has at least one huge

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Speaker 2: picture of ice, water and glasses, usually plastic glasses for

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Speaker 2: the lawyers and the defendant to have. So I'm wondering why,

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Speaker 2: first thing in the morning he needed a whole.

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Speaker 1: Nother picture of water.

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Speaker 2: Huh?

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Speaker 1: What about it?

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Speaker 2: Lynn Shaw joining me, founder executive director Lynz Warriors, committed

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Speaker 2: to ending human trafficking exploitation of girls. Host of Lyn'z

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Speaker 2: Warriors on YouTube, Lynn, thank you for being with us.

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Speaker 2: Did he got a dry mouth? Yeah?

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Speaker 1: Well did?

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Speaker 9: He just wants to get up again and parade through

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Speaker 9: the courtroom and say he needs another bathroom break, so

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Speaker 9: everybody can look at him in his little pullover sweater,

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Speaker 9: his little gray hair, looking all pudgy or skinny. There's

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Speaker 9: varying reports, and try to gain sympathy with anybody in

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Speaker 1: Why, just the other day.

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Speaker 9: There was a pregnant local reporter here in New York

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Speaker 9: to that effect. So there's plenty of water, you know,

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Speaker 9: in the courtroom already another clever roost just to distract

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Speaker 9: away from the real story here victims, victims, victims, And

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Speaker 9: I just want to say something, being here in New

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Speaker 9: York City, living here for decades, there are many dirty

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Speaker 9: Diddy disciples lurking in the background who will get ready

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Speaker 9: to do some dirty deeds for him. No matter how

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Speaker 9: this goes, I would be very afraid anybody judges, jurors,

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Speaker 9: anybody in that courtroom, Reporters of this dirty ditty.

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Speaker 2: Joining us In additional Lauren Colin at the court house.

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Speaker 2: Sidney Suner joining us Crime Stories investigative reporter also on

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Speaker 2: the case, Sidney. I understand that first thing this morning,

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Speaker 2: Combs comes in demands a whole nother picture of water.

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Speaker 2: I wonder why he's got dry mouth. But that said,

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Speaker 2: In the past. She's been very flamboyant in her dress,

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Speaker 1: Sydney.

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Speaker 11: That's right, Nancy dressed all in black.

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Speaker 8: And Colm's mom isn't the only family member in attendance today.

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Speaker 8: they're dressed very similarly. All of them walked in in

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Speaker 2: They all had on sunglasses in the courtroom.

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Speaker 11: At least as they were walking in.

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Speaker 2: I want to go back to the fact that Shawn Combs,

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Speaker 2: that's a big deal. Sidney Sumner. We know that one gerar,

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Speaker 2: as I said earlier, asked the judge, begged the judge

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Speaker 1: And got quote cold feet.

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Speaker 2: But I know the defense struck a gerr that said

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Speaker 2: they had seen the Cassie video and that Combs looked

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Speaker 1: They struck that gurrr.

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Speaker 8: Yes, that juror is gone. They commented on that video

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Speaker 8: said Combs looks angry and hostile. But the government has

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Speaker 11: So we've already had a tit for tat.

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Speaker 2: As if the jury didn't know about the Tupac Shaker hit,

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Speaker 2: What about the fact that these jars have seen they've

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Speaker 12: As potential jurors are questioned about their ability to maintain impartiality,

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Speaker 2: The Cassie beat down a video from our friends at CNN.

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Speaker 2: We expect that particular version not to be introduced at trial.

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Speaker 2: Why because the defense said it had been sped up

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Speaker 2: careful what you ask, my dear, for you will surely

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Speaker 2: the Tupac sh murder hit, a million dollar hit. They

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Speaker 2: We've got one juror begging off the panel because he

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Speaker 1: The jury is afraid. They don't care that.

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Speaker 2: Seawn comes is spending ten million dollars on a defense

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Speaker 10: Yeah, well, I think, but the jury's starting to think,

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Speaker 7: What have I gotten myself into?

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Speaker 10: Like I said before, that video was a gift to

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Speaker 1: But what that video does do it.

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Speaker 10: Gives a look inside Vidi's real world when he thinks

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Speaker 3: Explosive surveillance footage allegedly showing Combe's assaulting Ventura has been

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Speaker 2: The jury was finalized in the Shawanhomb's federal indictment try

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Speaker 2: at nine five a m. Straight out to Lauren Collins

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Speaker 2: standing by at the courthouse, Lauren, what happened?

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Speaker 4: The opening statements for the prosecution said that we are

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Speaker 4: we're going to see videos of these freak offs and

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Speaker 4: it's going to be very uncomfortable for a lot of people.

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Speaker 4: The prosecution also said things that I had never heard before.

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Speaker 4: They said things like Cassie was forced to allow an

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Speaker 4: this was per the instructions of Sean Colmes. The other witness,

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Speaker 4: Jane is going to testify that she and Diddy got

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Speaker 2: Straight out to Lynn Shaw, founder director Lynz Warriors, committed

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Speaker 2: to ending sexual exploitation of girls and women. What it

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Speaker 2: sounds like he's going to college. He's wearing reading glasses.

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Speaker 2: Have you ever seen Sean Comes wearing reading glasses? Oh? Okay,

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Speaker 2: that's fake. And the sweater, the white shirt, the khaki pants.

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Speaker 2: Why is he a freshman at Harvard?

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Speaker 9: Lynnshaw, Well, he's pretending to be one dirty Diddy. Listen,

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Speaker 9: none of us are fooled anymore, none of us. We

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Speaker 9: can all see through this. He's wearing reading glasses. I'm

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Speaker 9: sure it's plastic in the frames or clear glass. Nobody,

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Speaker 9: we're New Yorkers. This is a New York jury. We

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Speaker 9: do not get fooled, especially about this case. He has

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Speaker 9: I'm telling you of New Yorkers, so many people here

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Speaker 9: None of this is going to help him. Let us

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Speaker 9: keep the focus on victim survivors, and not only the

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Speaker 9: survivors of all of this exploitation. Because Nancy, they are

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Speaker 9: seeking some kind of justice from this case. They want

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Speaker 9: flaunting this in everybody's face, this exploitation. They want somebody

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Speaker 2: To Eric Fattus, veteran try a lawyer, former prosecutor joining

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Speaker 2: us out of Colorado, Eric, I mean, what's next a

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Speaker 6: You can't go in there wearing a bejeweled cape or something, right,

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Speaker 6: this is court And another.

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Speaker 1: Take on it is that the fattest.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, we would never want him to reveal his true self.

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Speaker 2: I mean, have you seen the met gallipachers that's the

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Speaker 2: real Seawan comes right there with the k going down

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Speaker 2: fat us, he can't go in wearing a cape.

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Speaker 1: Well why not, because that's what he normally wears.

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Speaker 2: So you're going along with the eye chicking the mind

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Speaker 1: You know, I'm not sure that's what's going on here.

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Speaker 6: Look, he doesn't have the Stylus hun retainer anymore, that's obvious.

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Speaker 6: But on top of that, maybe this is Diddy's true

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Speaker 6: has changed. You know, he has gray in his hair.

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Speaker 6: My understanding this his appearance has been drastically transformed, and

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Speaker 2: To doctor Bethany Marshall joining US high profile psychoanalyst, Doctor Bethany,

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Speaker 2: it seems trite, very trite that visual tricks are being

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Speaker 1: Does have a stylist.

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Speaker 2: Those outfits were carefully chosen, very carefully chosen. Have you ever,

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Speaker 2: ever time immemorial, ever seen Sean Combs in a pullover

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Speaker 2: I mean all the way back, whether he's on stage

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Speaker 2: joining us down his Miami mansion. Never once. These are

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Speaker 2: serious charges, Bethany. I have seen women rape victims much

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Speaker 1: Indoors the rest of their life. There is a profound

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Speaker 2: And there is Seawan Combs and a fake pair of

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Speaker 1: What's he doing reading proofst war in peace?

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Speaker 2: I don't know. It's it's a trick and there's serious

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Speaker 9: We know not only is it a trick, but it's manipulative,

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Speaker 9: Diddy is a manipulative person and may have hired manipulative

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Speaker 9: defense attorneys. And Drawors are not stupid, Nancy. They do

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Speaker 9: see through this. Drawors can feel bored, offended, devalued, treated

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Speaker 9: a very unsympathetic character, Nancy, And of course the defense

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Speaker 9: with the suspicion that, maybe you know the saying under

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Speaker 9: beneath them, behind every great fortune lies a great crime.

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Speaker 9: The drawers can see that too, that how did he

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Speaker 2: Joining us at the courthouse, Lauren Colin, Lauren tell me

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Speaker 2: He the fanstain. The late attorney argues that African Americans

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Speaker 1: What happened.

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Speaker 4: They started with the jury strikes, and the defense points

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Speaker 4: it out that the FEDS or the government struck seven

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Speaker 1: Out of nine.

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Speaker 4: So the prosecution gave their reasoning behind these strikes, and

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Speaker 4: they had said something like they were going to lose

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Speaker 4: but that wasn't a concern for them, which actually led

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Speaker 2: Eric Fattus. This argument is as old as dirt, and

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Speaker 2: good reason for striking. When I struck juries, typically my

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Speaker 2: and what that is is a huge print out. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if they do them the same way in

438
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Speaker 2: your jurisdiction. I'm sure they do fattus where you have

439
00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:12,840
Speaker 2: the juror's name, whether they're married, maybe where they were,

440
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Speaker 2: whether they live, to ensure they live in that county

441
00:25:16,359 --> 00:25:18,919
Speaker 2: or that jurisdiction, re else they're not qualified for the jury.

442
00:25:19,400 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 2: Maybe a little bit more identifying information. But that said,

443
00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:27,960
Speaker 2: I would put notes, my notes beside each name, so

444
00:25:28,160 --> 00:25:32,399
Speaker 2: if there was a challenge, I could say, well, I

445
00:25:32,520 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 2: struck him because he doesn't have a job, and if

446
00:25:36,560 --> 00:25:39,800
Speaker 2: he can't show up to a job every day, then

447
00:25:39,840 --> 00:25:41,440
Speaker 2: why do I think he's going to show up to

448
00:25:41,480 --> 00:25:46,160
Speaker 2: court and pay attention? Or Jerr Fell asleep in Voodie

449
00:25:46,240 --> 00:25:50,520
Speaker 2: or jury selection or let's see, here's a good one.

450
00:25:50,800 --> 00:25:56,080
Speaker 2: Juror's husband convicted of rape. If I'm trying a rape case, yeah,

451
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Speaker 2: I don't want her on. So I would always keep notes,

452
00:26:00,440 --> 00:26:03,520
Speaker 2: brief notes beside each juror, whether.

453
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Speaker 1: I wanted them or didn't want them, my impressions.

454
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Speaker 2: Of that juror as we were striking the jury, as

455
00:26:09,920 --> 00:26:13,920
Speaker 2: I was questioning them on voy Dyer. So bats In v. Kentucky.

456
00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,439
Speaker 2: Easy solution to have your reasons why you strugg as

457
00:26:18,480 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 2: you are when the challenge arises way in on bats

458
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Speaker 2: In v.

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Speaker 1: Kentucky.

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Speaker 2: Faddest, I'm sure you face it in court.

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Speaker 6: Yeah, no, great, mind stickle like d Ancy. That's exactly

462
00:26:27,760 --> 00:26:29,760
Speaker 6: how I did it when I was a prosecutor. Because

463
00:26:29,840 --> 00:26:32,399
Speaker 6: here's the thing that's breason. A bats and challenge is

464
00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:35,520
Speaker 6: kind of a big deal because it's really insinuating that

465
00:26:35,600 --> 00:26:38,720
Speaker 6: the other side is kicking somebody off based on their race.

466
00:26:38,800 --> 00:26:42,680
Speaker 6: That that's you know, inflammatory and problematic, and so you

467
00:26:43,160 --> 00:26:47,520
Speaker 6: need to have a race neutral reason for excluding those folks.

468
00:26:47,680 --> 00:26:49,480
Speaker 6: You know, this wouldn't be the first time that the

469
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Speaker 6: defense has brought up race, and you know, historically for

470
00:26:53,240 --> 00:26:55,560
Speaker 6: race has played a role in the justice. So let's

471
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:58,520
Speaker 6: be honest. And so you know, is the Diddy team

472
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Speaker 6: sort of using as one potential argument to this jury

473
00:27:02,960 --> 00:27:05,439
Speaker 6: in terms of why some rich black man is facing

474
00:27:05,480 --> 00:27:07,679
Speaker 6: these federal offenses. I think they're going to take that

475
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:08,879
Speaker 6: route in some former fast.

476
00:27:12,560 --> 00:27:15,680
Speaker 3: The trial is just getting started, expected to last eight

477
00:27:15,720 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 3: weeks with a shocking testimony from accusers and insiders.

478
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:20,080
Speaker 1: On deck.

479
00:27:20,480 --> 00:27:23,560
Speaker 5: Witness IREI is still missing. The court was informed last

480
00:27:23,560 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 5: week that prosecutors have lost communication and cannot locate her.

481
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:32,119
Speaker 5: In fact, prosecutors cannot reach her attorney either, meaning they

482
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:34,600
Speaker 5: are not sure Victim three will show up in court.

483
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:38,040
Speaker 5: The woman does not live in New York. TMZ reports

484
00:27:38,080 --> 00:27:40,800
Speaker 5: the woman never wanted to appear in court at all,

485
00:27:41,160 --> 00:27:45,200
Speaker 5: refusing to cooperate and never agreed to testify against Ditty.

486
00:27:45,440 --> 00:27:50,120
Speaker 5: Prosecutors said Victim three would disclose very personal and exclusive

487
00:27:50,160 --> 00:27:54,080
Speaker 5: details concerning abuse she suffered under calms plenty.

488
00:27:53,800 --> 00:27:57,280
Speaker 2: Of respect on harved eleven over at TMZ, but they

489
00:27:57,320 --> 00:27:59,679
Speaker 2: had to speak to her at some point and in

490
00:27:59,760 --> 00:28:02,640
Speaker 2: order to put her on the witness list. Right now,

491
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:07,959
Speaker 2: the state is down a victim, victim gone, even though

492
00:28:08,960 --> 00:28:11,320
Speaker 2: we know at some point she had to speak to

493
00:28:11,359 --> 00:28:11,840
Speaker 2: the Feds.

494
00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: Even the lawyer is not responding to calls.

495
00:28:15,320 --> 00:28:19,399
Speaker 2: Joining me there at Diddy's mansion in Florida, where the

496
00:28:19,440 --> 00:28:22,200
Speaker 2: neighbors are happy. This thing may finally be put to rest.

497
00:28:22,520 --> 00:28:26,240
Speaker 2: Robert Crispin joining US Christmins Special Investigations, former Federal Task

498
00:28:26,240 --> 00:28:32,680
Speaker 2: Course Officer, Department, US Department of Justice. Robert A witness,

499
00:28:32,880 --> 00:28:36,479
Speaker 2: not just a witness, but a victim is in the wind.

500
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Speaker 1: I've had it happen to me on a child sex

501
00:28:40,120 --> 00:28:41,160
Speaker 1: trafficking case.

502
00:28:41,680 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 2: The victim disappeared and was in no show the first

503
00:28:46,920 --> 00:28:50,040
Speaker 2: day and a half of trial. Let me just say

504
00:28:50,640 --> 00:28:54,280
Speaker 2: I was out all night literally with my investigator, going

505
00:28:54,320 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 2: to every flop house in intercity Atlanta trying to find

506
00:28:57,640 --> 00:29:01,040
Speaker 2: the girl. We found her and went forward. Then I

507
00:29:01,040 --> 00:29:03,960
Speaker 2: would try the case all day long. We found her.

508
00:29:04,480 --> 00:29:07,800
Speaker 2: Not so easy in the ditty case, This victim could

509
00:29:07,800 --> 00:29:10,600
Speaker 2: be anywhere in the US and the lawyer's not picking

510
00:29:10,680 --> 00:29:11,200
Speaker 2: up the phone.

511
00:29:11,400 --> 00:29:16,040
Speaker 10: Yeah, we call that being scared to death. That's exactly

512
00:29:16,120 --> 00:29:18,720
Speaker 10: what that is. This person doesn't want to testify. She's

513
00:29:18,720 --> 00:29:20,800
Speaker 10: already related to the government that she doesn't want to

514
00:29:20,840 --> 00:29:25,840
Speaker 10: testify because if she testifies and he's found guilty, she's damned.

515
00:29:26,160 --> 00:29:28,920
Speaker 10: If they find him not guilty, she's damned because they

516
00:29:29,000 --> 00:29:32,720
Speaker 10: led a alleged sexual predator back on the street. It's

517
00:29:32,760 --> 00:29:37,680
Speaker 10: a lose lose situation for a victim, and it's very intimidating,

518
00:29:38,440 --> 00:29:41,440
Speaker 10: very intimidating. Even though you're a victim with all the

519
00:29:41,520 --> 00:29:44,600
Speaker 10: victim's rights and the victim advocates, when it comes down

520
00:29:44,600 --> 00:29:47,280
Speaker 10: to you getting up and sitting in that chair and

521
00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:50,800
Speaker 10: raising your right hand and actually telling your story, it's

522
00:29:50,960 --> 00:29:54,520
Speaker 10: very intimidating. Not only is it intimidating, it brings up

523
00:29:54,640 --> 00:29:57,320
Speaker 10: bad pass in your mind and in your heart.

524
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Speaker 1: It's really something.

525
00:29:59,120 --> 00:30:00,760
Speaker 2: That a lot of people, I don't want to be

526
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:07,680
Speaker 2: president anymore intimidating. They all know what happened to Cassie Ventira, okay,

527
00:30:07,720 --> 00:30:10,720
Speaker 2: and that was at a public hotel. They know what

528
00:30:10,960 --> 00:30:14,560
Speaker 2: happened to her, No wonder she's disappeared and the lawyer's

529
00:30:14,600 --> 00:30:18,320
Speaker 2: not picking the phone up. And we know that even

530
00:30:18,360 --> 00:30:23,400
Speaker 2: from behind bars, prosecutors have produced evidence Combs is tampering

531
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Speaker 2: with witnesses.

532
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Speaker 5: Listen, Prosecutors say, even behind bars, Sean Combs has an

533
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:31,880
Speaker 5: uncanny ability to get others to do his bidding. Diddy

534
00:30:31,960 --> 00:30:35,720
Speaker 5: has been accused of obstructing his sex trafficking case by

535
00:30:35,880 --> 00:30:39,120
Speaker 5: paying off witnesses and even enlisting his own children in

536
00:30:39,160 --> 00:30:43,600
Speaker 5: a public relations campaign, namely the video posted by seven

537
00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:48,040
Speaker 5: of his children wishing Dad a happy birthday in November.

538
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,120
Speaker 1: Crime Stories with Nancy Grace.

539
00:30:59,480 --> 00:31:02,880
Speaker 2: Now we heard the fattest spout out that Shawnklins doesn't

540
00:31:02,880 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 2: have a stylist.

541
00:31:03,840 --> 00:31:04,440
Speaker 1: BS.

542
00:31:04,560 --> 00:31:07,080
Speaker 2: He does have a stylist. If he's focusing that much

543
00:31:07,080 --> 00:31:09,000
Speaker 2: on what he's wearing to court, you want to tell

544
00:31:09,040 --> 00:31:12,440
Speaker 2: me he hasn't tried to get to the victims. Listen.

545
00:31:12,560 --> 00:31:16,360
Speaker 5: Prosecutors say evidence from Shawcom's cells shows the accused wrapper

546
00:31:16,720 --> 00:31:22,000
Speaker 5: made relentless efforts from jail to contact potential witnesses, including victims.

547
00:31:22,280 --> 00:31:26,120
Speaker 5: These methods reportedly involved three way calls, using other inmates'

548
00:31:26,160 --> 00:31:30,720
Speaker 5: phone access codes, a third party communications service, and directing

549
00:31:30,840 --> 00:31:35,080
Speaker 5: family members to contact potential witnesses. The aim to blackmail

550
00:31:35,160 --> 00:31:39,440
Speaker 5: victims and witnesses into either silence or to provide testimony

551
00:31:39,560 --> 00:31:41,280
Speaker 5: helpful to Colmbs.

552
00:31:40,960 --> 00:31:44,560
Speaker 2: Speaking of getting to the victims straight out to Sydney's

553
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:49,200
Speaker 2: summer joining US Crime Stories, investigative reporter Sydney isn't it true.

554
00:31:49,440 --> 00:31:52,480
Speaker 2: Prosecutors are planning to introduce evidence that.

555
00:31:52,520 --> 00:31:55,440
Speaker 1: Shawn Combs forced one of.

556
00:31:55,600 --> 00:32:02,160
Speaker 2: His victims to undergo an unwanted medical procedure. I mean,

557
00:32:02,360 --> 00:32:05,080
Speaker 2: was it an abortion? I don't know, But what can

558
00:32:05,120 --> 00:32:07,480
Speaker 2: you tell me about that? If he could force a

559
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:14,360
Speaker 2: victim to undergo an operation, a medical procedure, what makes

560
00:32:14,360 --> 00:32:17,760
Speaker 2: the state fink he's not trying to scare or intimidate

561
00:32:17,920 --> 00:32:19,480
Speaker 2: the victims in this case, Sydney.

562
00:32:19,680 --> 00:32:20,760
Speaker 11: No, that's right, Nancy.

563
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,440
Speaker 8: Prosecutors intend to introduce this evidence and we don't know

564
00:32:24,600 --> 00:32:29,640
Speaker 8: yet what that unwanted medical procedure was. You're completely right.

565
00:32:29,720 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 8: It definitely could have been an abortion, going along with

566
00:32:33,400 --> 00:32:36,960
Speaker 8: the fact that did he coerces all of these women

567
00:32:37,120 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 8: into unwanted sexual encounters and then doesn't want to keep

568
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:45,200
Speaker 8: relationships with them. So prosecutors are introducing this to show

569
00:32:45,280 --> 00:32:49,160
Speaker 8: that pattern of behavior, to show the level of control

570
00:32:49,400 --> 00:32:53,000
Speaker 8: that Sean Colms exerted over his victims. So that could

571
00:32:53,000 --> 00:32:54,760
Speaker 8: be really powerful in front of the jury.

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00:32:55,000 --> 00:32:57,160
Speaker 1: It was exactly ten twenty a m.

573
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Speaker 2: This morning that the jury into the courtroom with Shawn

574
00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:07,520
Speaker 2: Combe standing at attention to impanel and swear in the jury.

575
00:33:08,080 --> 00:33:09,760
Speaker 2: This is a day that's been.

576
00:33:09,800 --> 00:33:11,560
Speaker 1: Long in coming.

577
00:33:12,120 --> 00:33:17,360
Speaker 2: The state claims that decades of abuse of women and

578
00:33:17,560 --> 00:33:22,640
Speaker 2: so called free coughs have occurred. Finally, will there be

579
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:28,720
Speaker 2: justice this as one of the victims disappears, can't.

580
00:33:28,480 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: Find her or her lawyer straight.

581
00:33:31,120 --> 00:33:33,880
Speaker 2: Out to Sidney Sumner, joining US Crime Stories investigative reporter,

582
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Speaker 2: I understand, in light victim number three a no show,

583
00:33:39,040 --> 00:33:42,560
Speaker 2: the state has added Victim five to the roster.

584
00:33:42,880 --> 00:33:46,760
Speaker 8: Now, Victim five, who is not mentioned in charging documents,

585
00:33:46,800 --> 00:33:50,320
Speaker 8: will not be able to just replace Victim three. Judge

586
00:33:50,320 --> 00:33:52,960
Speaker 8: Sue Ermanian has ruled that they will not be able

587
00:33:53,000 --> 00:33:57,160
Speaker 8: to include all of the intended testimony, only part of it,

588
00:33:57,480 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 8: because this victim is a similar transaction.

589
00:34:00,480 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 11: This victim will also not.

590
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:03,320
Speaker 1: Be granted anonymity.

591
00:34:03,560 --> 00:34:07,640
Speaker 2: We know that one of the victims is not asking

592
00:34:07,880 --> 00:34:10,600
Speaker 2: to testify under a pseudonym.

593
00:34:10,680 --> 00:34:12,520
Speaker 1: It's Cassie Ventura.

594
00:34:13,440 --> 00:34:20,239
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura is heavily pregnant at this juncture, and her

595
00:34:20,280 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 2: cross examination by the defense is going to be very tricky. Listen,

596
00:34:25,600 --> 00:34:29,239
Speaker 2: when you have a pregnant lady, a mom up on

597
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:34,120
Speaker 2: the stand, I mean, you know how cruel can you be?

598
00:34:34,320 --> 00:34:37,440
Speaker 2: You can't really, you know, shredder on the stand that

599
00:34:37,560 --> 00:34:40,040
Speaker 2: my friends at to be. And of course Mark Gira

600
00:34:40,080 --> 00:34:45,080
Speaker 2: goes giving a very vague answer on that. But Eric fattis,

601
00:34:45,200 --> 00:34:51,480
Speaker 2: if the defense team comes across as bullying Cassie Ventura,

602
00:34:51,920 --> 00:34:55,520
Speaker 2: that's going to totally play against Coums.

603
00:34:55,719 --> 00:34:57,200
Speaker 6: That's going to rub the journy the wrong way.

604
00:34:57,400 --> 00:34:58,080
Speaker 1: Absolutely.

605
00:34:58,360 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 6: I mean, not only do you have the superstar already

606
00:35:02,280 --> 00:35:05,600
Speaker 6: sympathetic victim, but there's a video of her being brutalized,

607
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:07,480
Speaker 6: and the person being brutalized is going to be on

608
00:35:07,480 --> 00:35:10,759
Speaker 6: the stand, pregnant, telling you how she was verbally and

609
00:35:10,800 --> 00:35:14,400
Speaker 6: sexually brutalized. And so it's going to be a delicate

610
00:35:14,480 --> 00:35:18,200
Speaker 6: dance here. The defense has to kind of approach this

611
00:35:18,640 --> 00:35:21,759
Speaker 6: in a sensitive fashion but also be firm enough to

612
00:35:21,760 --> 00:35:25,080
Speaker 6: get their points across. And so the balance to be

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00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:26,880
Speaker 6: struck here cannot be understated.

614
00:35:26,960 --> 00:35:30,120
Speaker 2: Well, I got to say this to doctor Bethany Marshall,

615
00:35:30,560 --> 00:35:34,080
Speaker 2: Cassie Ventura is going to be able to handle whatever

616
00:35:34,120 --> 00:35:37,520
Speaker 2: they throw at her. She is the one that broke

617
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:42,080
Speaker 2: the whole thing wide open when she filed that civil lawsuit.

618
00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:45,600
Speaker 2: And basically the Feds had a red flag waved in

619
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:49,439
Speaker 2: front of them like a bull because it was out

620
00:35:49,440 --> 00:35:56,440
Speaker 2: there and they were left looking emasculated. They had done nothing.

621
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Speaker 2: And here's this video. Let's take a look at the

622
00:35:59,440 --> 00:36:02,440
Speaker 2: video wherever buddy this is coming into court in a

623
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,839
Speaker 2: different iteration. There you see Cassie Ventura. Oh and here

624
00:36:07,960 --> 00:36:13,040
Speaker 2: he comes. Thank goodness that towel didn't slip. She's trying

625
00:36:13,040 --> 00:36:18,080
Speaker 2: to get away reportedly from a freak cough. Now, Giragos

626
00:36:18,480 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 2: tells me it wasn't a freak cough at all, that she.

627
00:36:23,719 --> 00:36:24,799
Speaker 1: Was the aggressor.

628
00:36:25,560 --> 00:36:30,640
Speaker 2: She Cassie Ventura is the aggressor in this video. She,

629
00:36:31,160 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 2: according to Giragos, was angry when she saw Combs had

630
00:36:35,239 --> 00:36:40,279
Speaker 2: gotten text from another woman. Okay, she looks like she

631
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:43,880
Speaker 2: weighs about one hundred pounds soaking wet in that video.

632
00:36:44,520 --> 00:36:48,200
Speaker 2: But yet Giago said, with a straight face, this is

633
00:36:48,200 --> 00:36:50,399
Speaker 2: from my friends at seeing n by the way, a

634
00:36:50,440 --> 00:36:58,319
Speaker 2: straight face, that she was the aggressor. Now, okay, I'm

635
00:36:59,239 --> 00:37:04,200
Speaker 2: doctor Beth Gara Goes. His daughter is all the defense

636
00:37:04,280 --> 00:37:09,520
Speaker 2: taing Tenny. Gary Goes is saying that that you're not

637
00:37:09,560 --> 00:37:11,000
Speaker 2: saying what you think you're seeing.

638
00:37:11,400 --> 00:37:14,240
Speaker 1: She's actually the aggressor in that video.

639
00:37:14,760 --> 00:37:17,680
Speaker 2: Really, are they actually gonna say that to a jury.

640
00:37:17,960 --> 00:37:21,479
Speaker 2: One hundred pound Cassie is giving Diddy the beat down.

641
00:37:21,800 --> 00:37:24,879
Speaker 9: I sell like a broken record, But Nancy, jurors are

642
00:37:24,920 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 9: not stupid, and jurors can feel like they're being kind

643
00:37:29,719 --> 00:37:32,960
Speaker 9: of manipulated or mistreated, and I think the defense should

644
00:37:32,960 --> 00:37:35,520
Speaker 9: be very careful with this line of reasoning. You know,

645
00:37:35,600 --> 00:37:40,320
Speaker 9: the truth is, you see this young Cassie Ventura running

646
00:37:40,360 --> 00:37:44,120
Speaker 9: for her life with bear feet. The allegations that he

647
00:37:44,280 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 9: was on the phone doing business deals while he coursed

648
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:50,160
Speaker 9: her into having sex with somebody else while he was

649
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:53,920
Speaker 9: watching could come out. He kicks her in the back,

650
00:37:54,160 --> 00:37:56,520
Speaker 9: she has to pretend to play dead. He drags her

651
00:37:56,560 --> 00:37:58,760
Speaker 9: back down the hallway, and then.

652
00:37:58,600 --> 00:37:59,520
Speaker 2: The jurors see this.

653
00:38:01,280 --> 00:38:05,879
Speaker 9: Resilient woman who has re established her life, probably has

654
00:38:05,920 --> 00:38:09,879
Speaker 9: a new relationship, is going to create a family. This

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Speaker 9: is a woman to be admired. She rose above the trauma,

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Speaker 9: she did the work, whatever she did to reconstitute herself.

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Speaker 9: She is a very admirabley witness. So they are going

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Speaker 9: to hang on every single word, Nancy, because most victims

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Speaker 9: do not establish themselves like this Bonachelle.

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Speaker 2: In the courtroom, the defense is actually going to argue

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Speaker 2: that Cassie Ventura was the aggressor, that she was the

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Speaker 2: one giving Sean Combs the beatdown. What JURR is going

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Speaker 2: to believe that, especially in light of this.

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Speaker 13: It's so difficult to reflect on the darkest times in

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Speaker 13: your life. Sometimes you got to do that. I was,

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Speaker 13: I mean, I hit rock bottom, but I made no excuses.

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Speaker 13: My behavior on that video is inexcusable. I take full

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Speaker 13: responsibility for my ashes in that video.

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Speaker 1: I'm disgusted.

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Speaker 13: I was disgusted then when I did it.

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Speaker 2: I'm disgusting now.

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Speaker 10: And went in.

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Speaker 1: I sought out professional help.

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Speaker 13: And to go into therapy. I'm going to rehab. Had

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Speaker 13: asked God for his mercy and grace.

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Speaker 2: Second verse same as the first. So if he didn't

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Speaker 2: do it, why is he apologizing for it? And that

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Speaker 2: song comes as official Instagram? I wonder if they're going

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Speaker 2: to play that. We know the Cassie material tape is

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Speaker 2: in straight back out to Lauren Collins standing by. I

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Speaker 2: understand the courtroom holes about one hundred people, and I

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Speaker 2: guess it was.

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Speaker 1: Packed, right, Okay, we'll get the answer to that.

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Speaker 2: You know, I'm hearing Lynn Shaw Combs in that video

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Speaker 2: stating he wants to be a better person. He's disgusted

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Speaker 2: with himself. He's going to rehab. But yet that'side on

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Speaker 2: one side of his mouth. The other side of his mouth,

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Speaker 2: he's actually going to argue to the jury that Cassie

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Speaker 2: was the violent one.

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Speaker 9: Please stop, Nancy, because I'm getting sick. I'm getting sick

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Speaker 9: watching that video over and over again. We have to

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Speaker 9: remember people are visual. Once they see that video, this

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Speaker 9: will stick in their minds Now, Listen, we work with

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Speaker 9: a lot of survivors and victims at the Warriors. What

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Speaker 9: do they tell me repeatedly when they are being attacked,

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Speaker 9: They played dead. They do not move. They don't want

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Speaker 9: to further and rage that person. They don't want more beatings,

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Speaker 9: so they remain very still.

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Speaker 1: Where is her video of her beating him?

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Speaker 2: That's what I want to know.

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Speaker 9: Why is this playbook the same thing we're in court?

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Speaker 9: A lot flipped on putting it on the victim. Oh,

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Speaker 9: it's their fault. They caused me to do it. That's consensual.

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Speaker 9: You know what the jury again, like doctor Bethany said,

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Speaker 9: like I'm saying as a New Yorker, new Yorkers are smart,

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Speaker 9: They're not going to buy this. And you know what,

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Speaker 9: dirty Diddy going down Sidney Sumner.

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Speaker 2: Where are we getting the ten million dollar defense bill?

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Speaker 9: Nancy.

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Speaker 8: That's coming from several expert defense attorneys who all believe

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Speaker 8: that each day of trial could be costing homes more

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Speaker 8: than one hundred thousand dollars. This is coming top lawyers

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Speaker 8: charge million dollar reteamers for complex federal cases like this.

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Speaker 8: They charge about sixteen hundred dollars an hour in their

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Speaker 8: support staff behind them costs about half that much per hour.

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Speaker 8: So several people agree that a ten million dollar price

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Speaker 8: tag is a reasonable estimate.

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Speaker 1: Whoa fatness.

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Speaker 2: I don't know about you, but I got paid just

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Speaker 2: to seem like a little over minimum wage if you

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Speaker 2: equal it out over all the overtime hours I worked

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Speaker 2: as a prosecutor. I had two nine jobs teaching school

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Speaker 2: at night to pay the house and the car note.

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Speaker 2: Ten million dollars. They better, they better produce.

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Speaker 6: This is a high price tag, no question. But it's

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Speaker 6: a very complex case. You know that the decades, excuse me,

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Speaker 6: the the allegations span decades. There are umpteen witnesses, several jurisdictions.

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Speaker 6: It's just very involved, and so surely it is going

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Speaker 6: to warrant a high feed from the attorneys and they're

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Speaker 6: going to have to come with it because ten million dollars,

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Speaker 6: you know, a person expects results.

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Speaker 2: All, like I say, is they better bring it.

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Speaker 1: We wait as justice unfolds.

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Speaker 2: And now we remember an American hero Patrol Officer, Stephen

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Speaker 2: Artil Brentwood PD in Hampshire, shot and killed in the

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Speaker 2: line of duty. Served law enforcement seventeen years, leaving behind

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Speaker 2: wife turned widow, Heather, daughters Kimberly and Lauren. American hero

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Speaker 2: role officer Stephen Arkell. Nancy Grace signing off goodbye friend,