WEBVTT - Inside the Carlos Correa trade

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<v Speaker 1>And the Roma hustling yesterday just typing away, typing away,

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<v Speaker 1>the Houston astros were making moves, making headlines, and he

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<v Speaker 1>covers them for The Athletic, along with Crush City Territory,

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<v Speaker 1>which you should check out, subscribe to it on YouTube

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<v Speaker 1>this way, Chandler, the headliner astro's Trade Deadline takeaways. You

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<v Speaker 1>wrote Jim Crane cements his title as Baseball's most aggressive owner.

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<v Speaker 1>Can you elaborate on that one?

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<v Speaker 2>If I want to give a shout out to Tyler

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<v Speaker 2>Stafford and Josh Reddick who ran Crush City Territory today solo.

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<v Speaker 2>Excellent job by both of them. Please go rate, review,

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<v Speaker 2>please like and watch that they did a great job. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 2>it's difficult to call Jim Crane anything else other than

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<v Speaker 2>the most aggressive. Notice I said most aggressive owner at

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<v Speaker 2>the trade deadline. You know, look aj Preller, very Depoto.

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<v Speaker 2>They obviously get their flowers as guys that wheel undeal

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<v Speaker 2>a bunch, but no owner is quite like Jim Crane,

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<v Speaker 2>a guy that when he has somebody that he wants,

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<v Speaker 2>when he has identified players as I want this guy

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<v Speaker 2>nine times out of ten. The Astros get them. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>you look at Justin Verlander in twenty seventeen. Again in

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<v Speaker 2>twenty twenty three. We had Jeff Luno on Crush City

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<v Speaker 2>Territory a couple of weeks ago, and he basically said

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<v Speaker 2>that Jim Crane was a huge factor in getting Zach

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<v Speaker 2>Grinkey in twenty nineteen. Remember too that the Astros had

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<v Speaker 2>a deal agreed upon to acquire Bryce Harper from the

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<v Speaker 2>Nationals in twenty eighteen that was nixed by Nationals ownership.

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<v Speaker 2>And then also bear in mind that at the twenty

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<v Speaker 2>twenty three deadline, Jim Crane came out and said, we

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<v Speaker 2>tried to acquire two players from the Padres. It was

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<v Speaker 2>Blake Snell and Josh Hater. They couldn't get on the

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<v Speaker 2>same page. Ended up pivoting to Verlander. Boo did Jim

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<v Speaker 2>Crane and Dana Brown sign the next winner Josh Hater.

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<v Speaker 2>So look, if if Jim Crane sees that the Astros

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<v Speaker 2>his team has a legitimate shot at a chanceampionship, he

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<v Speaker 2>breaks all precedent. He kind of loosens his restrictions if

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<v Speaker 2>you will, on money and see and the luxury tax,

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<v Speaker 2>things of that nature. And he goes for it, and

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<v Speaker 2>you have to commend him for that as an owner

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<v Speaker 2>that is disaggressive, as an owner that prioritizes winning this much,

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<v Speaker 2>and an owner that sometimes just says, you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>through it, We're going for it, We're going all in,

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<v Speaker 2>We're pushing our chips all and that's what this team did.

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<v Speaker 2>That's what he did. At the deadline. The Ashers needed

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<v Speaker 2>a jolt, They needed some energy in their clubhouse. They

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<v Speaker 2>lost twelve of nineteen going into the deadline. Their lineup

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<v Speaker 2>has just been ravaged by injury. And you know, there

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<v Speaker 2>were other hitters out there that maybe made more fiscal sense.

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<v Speaker 2>There were hitters out there that maybe fit the lineup

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<v Speaker 2>a little bit better. But no one has the pachet,

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<v Speaker 2>no one has the star power, and no one can

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<v Speaker 2>bring a jolt to the city of Houston and the

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<v Speaker 2>Asher's Clubhouse like Carlos Korean.

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<v Speaker 3>Well that's my next question. Jim Craig just love stars,

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<v Speaker 3>doesn't he He loves stars. Carlos Korea is a star. And

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<v Speaker 3>we had Bob Nightingale earlier who said this was an

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<v Speaker 3>owner to oh, this was a poll out, and Jim

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<v Speaker 3>Crane Trade GMS be damned, this was a pollout. And

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<v Speaker 3>Jim Crane trade that was done between the two involving

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<v Speaker 3>all the money. So how much of that is true?

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<v Speaker 3>And why does Jim Crane love stars so much? I mean,

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<v Speaker 3>it's amazing he loves collecting him.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, you'd have to ask Jim why he loves

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<v Speaker 2>stars so much. But I think I think a little

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<v Speaker 2>bit of it is, you know, stars are more you know,

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<v Speaker 2>there's a little more assurance there. There's a little more

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<v Speaker 2>guarantee that these stars are going to come in and

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<v Speaker 2>perform well. You know, you don't know how getting a

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<v Speaker 2>guy from maybe an uneasy situation or a guy that's

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<v Speaker 2>never been in the spotlight, a guy that's never been

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<v Speaker 2>in kind of the pressure cooker that is when you

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<v Speaker 2>come into an Astros clubhouse that expects to contend for

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<v Speaker 2>the World Series every years. There's a lot of pressure there,

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<v Speaker 2>and you know, there's people that are meant to handle that.

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<v Speaker 2>There's people that, you know, as Dana Brown likes to say,

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<v Speaker 2>have the stomach for it. Carlos Korea is certainly one

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys. Justin Berlander as we know as one

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys. Bryce Harper would have been and still

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<v Speaker 2>is in twenty eighteen, Zach Grinkey got them to within

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<v Speaker 2>I believe, eight outs of a world series in twenty nineteen,

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<v Speaker 2>so that's part of it. You know, Look, Jim Crane

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<v Speaker 2>had a huge hand in this. Dan Hayes and I

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<v Speaker 2>at the Athletic, you know, when this started the summer

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<v Speaker 2>on Wednesday, you know, we wrote a story that basically said, look,

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<v Speaker 2>there were sources from both the Twin side and the

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<v Speaker 2>Astros side that were really downplaying this as a possibility.

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<v Speaker 2>You know, it could happen, but it's very, very unlikely

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<v Speaker 2>to happen. But every Astros person that I kept talking

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<v Speaker 2>to there was just kind of this inherent understanding with them.

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<v Speaker 1>You know.

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<v Speaker 2>They would they would say everything, and they'd be like,

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<v Speaker 2>but you know, Gim's involved, and Jim is usually when

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Crane has his eyes on something, nine times out

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<v Speaker 2>of ten he gets it. And I trust Bob implicitly.

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<v Speaker 2>I do believe that it was a lot of you know,

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<v Speaker 2>Jim Crane to the pole ads there in Minnesota. I

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<v Speaker 2>think that is true. And that is the case because

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<v Speaker 2>with the amount of money you're talking about here, with

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of money that the Twins are paying, with

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<v Speaker 2>the amount of money that the ashers are taking on.

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<v Speaker 2>That's an ownership level decision. That would have been the

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<v Speaker 2>case in twenty nine, twenty eight. Other teams too, like

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<v Speaker 2>ownership would have had to get involved. So, but make

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<v Speaker 2>no mistake this, Jim Crane's influence in this deal was massive.

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<v Speaker 4>We're used was jolt that Carlos Correa is gonna bring

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<v Speaker 4>to this team. You look at these stats right now.

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<v Speaker 4>Is there gonna be a jolt? I get it. You

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<v Speaker 4>can have clubhouse guys, but you know what clubhouse guys

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<v Speaker 4>get paid. They get paid what I got paid. It's

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<v Speaker 4>a it's a half a year thing. It's a you

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<v Speaker 4>know it's under You don't have two commas in your paychecks.

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<v Speaker 4>Jim Crane's a very successful businessman, and successful businessmen do

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<v Speaker 4>not waste their money. Is there a chance they see

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<v Speaker 4>something that maybe could be unlocked, especially with moving to

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<v Speaker 4>third base and maybe getting him off his feet. I'm

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<v Speaker 4>assuming they know what his foot injury was. Is there

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<v Speaker 4>something there or is it just a complete roll of

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<v Speaker 4>the dice for seventy some million dollars.

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<v Speaker 2>Well, first of all, Kratz, you've shared a clubhouse with Korea.

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<v Speaker 2>You know the influence and the impact just his presence

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<v Speaker 2>has like sometimes he doesn't even need to speak, it's

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<v Speaker 2>just his his aura and his being there. It just

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<v Speaker 2>kind of alters the way a clubhouse functions. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>he's a guy that can team with Jose Altuve and

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<v Speaker 2>really be, you know, the leaders of this clubhouse. When

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<v Speaker 2>he left in twenty twenty one, he was the unquestioned

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<v Speaker 2>leader of the Astros clubhouse vocally, presence wise. Sometimes he

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<v Speaker 2>didn't even need to speak, but a lot of times

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<v Speaker 2>he did use his words and was the leader. So

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<v Speaker 2>that'll help, you know. I do worry, not worry. Worry's

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<v Speaker 2>probably the wrong word. I do find it fascinating to

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<v Speaker 2>look at his stats because, look, this isn't the same

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<v Speaker 2>Carlos Korea that left here in twenty twenty one. I

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<v Speaker 2>believe he was worth ten point four war in his

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<v Speaker 2>Minnesota Twins tenure. He had two separate seasons with the

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<v Speaker 2>Astros worth seven war. This is the player that has

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<v Speaker 2>on paper declined. I have not watched Carlos play a

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<v Speaker 2>bunch since he left, so I can't tell you specifically.

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<v Speaker 2>It's this, this, and this. Some of that has been

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<v Speaker 2>injury related. He had the oblique issue earlier in his

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<v Speaker 2>Twins career. He's had some foot issues, he had some

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<v Speaker 2>planner fasciitis issues. Part of it is he's got to

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<v Speaker 2>stay on the field. Part of it too, You know,

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<v Speaker 2>I have no doubts that he'll transition to third base

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<v Speaker 2>and be absolutely excellent there. The one thing that has

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<v Speaker 2>never fallen off as his defense, Like he's one of

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<v Speaker 2>the better defensive shortstops I've ever seen. I think that'll

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<v Speaker 2>be a seamless kind of transition him going to third base,

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<v Speaker 2>and who knows, maybe there's something there like there was

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<v Speaker 2>with jose Al Tuove when Josel Tuove moved a left

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<v Speaker 2>field in spring training. I think I've told you guys

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<v Speaker 2>before that this is the most engaged and the most

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<v Speaker 2>like happy and energetic I've ever seen Josel Tuba in

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<v Speaker 2>the eight years I've covered, and that position switch kind

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<v Speaker 2>of energized him. Maybe that can be the case for

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<v Speaker 2>Korean even though it's only moving over a few feet

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<v Speaker 2>on the left side of the field, Maybe that can

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<v Speaker 2>be the case. He has he has said that he

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<v Speaker 2>want he wanted to play third base. He has he

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<v Speaker 2>had talked to the Twins about doing that, but the

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<v Speaker 2>roster construction just never lent itself to playing third base.

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<v Speaker 2>So third base is not the worry for me. What

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<v Speaker 2>I would worry about a little bit is the offensive numbers.

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<v Speaker 2>The slug has not been there recently, you know, you

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<v Speaker 2>look at he's been susceptible to sliders. The batting average

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<v Speaker 2>is still he's round, still round, a two sixty two

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<v Speaker 2>seventy hitter, but just has not provided the thump that

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<v Speaker 2>they need. But if this lineup gets at full strength,

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<v Speaker 2>then you have Jeremy Pana and Jordan Alvarez back and

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<v Speaker 2>joseel tub who's having a nice year, and then Jake

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<v Speaker 2>Myers who's hitting three hundred if he can come back.

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<v Speaker 2>You look at it, and he doesn't really have to

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<v Speaker 2>be this one thousand ops guy that's going to carry

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<v Speaker 2>the lineup. He'll be surrounded by some pretty good pieces there.

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<v Speaker 2>But that's a big if. If the Astros get back

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<v Speaker 2>to full strength.

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<v Speaker 4>All right, not to discourage or to say what you

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<v Speaker 4>said was wrong, but a minus two who outs above

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<v Speaker 4>average maybe as fielding range is men third base increases that.

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<v Speaker 4>I get what you're saying. The aura, the aura factory.

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<v Speaker 4>It makes my kids cringe when I say that, But

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<v Speaker 4>you're in Fenway. Right now, the two teams are gonna

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<v Speaker 4>play against each other that that did not do anything

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<v Speaker 4>to take care of their starting pitching needs. Who's in

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<v Speaker 4>a worse spot, the Astros or the Red Sox with

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<v Speaker 4>their starting pitching? And where are the Astros at what

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<v Speaker 4>they're starting pitching because they didn't get ceased, they thought

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<v Speaker 4>that was gonna get pushed across the finish line.

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<v Speaker 2>Yeah, as far as the Astros go, they're gonna have

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<v Speaker 2>to hope and pray that Christian Javier and JP Frantz

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<v Speaker 2>and Spencer Aarraghetti and Luis Garcia they come back. And look,

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<v Speaker 2>it seems now they are going to get all four

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<v Speaker 2>of those guys back. They are going to activate them

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<v Speaker 2>off the injured list at some point and they're going

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<v Speaker 2>to be on a major league mound. The question is

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<v Speaker 2>their efficiency. You know, Christian Haavier hasn't pitched a major

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<v Speaker 2>league game in thirteen months, Luis Garcia hasn't pitched a

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<v Speaker 2>major league game in twenty seven months. Spencer Araghetti is

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<v Speaker 2>probably the more sure thing out of this, uh, these

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<v Speaker 2>four guys, because he did pitch some this season and

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<v Speaker 2>he's not coming back from you know, reconstructive elbow surgery

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<v Speaker 2>or a long thing. He just broke his thumb on

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<v Speaker 2>his right hand. Not that that's a nothing injury, but

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<v Speaker 2>certainly not to the level that Javier France and Garcia

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<v Speaker 2>have been through. So they've looked okay, most of them

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<v Speaker 2>have looked okay in their minor league rehab starts. But

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<v Speaker 2>you know, it's a different animal at the big league level,

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<v Speaker 2>and they're gonna have to roll the dice here that

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<v Speaker 2>these guys are ready to get out at the big

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<v Speaker 2>league level. You know, Dana Brown was asked yesterday why

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<v Speaker 2>they didn't acquire pitching, and it was the answer was

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<v Speaker 2>pretty simple. The prices were just too high in lieu

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<v Speaker 2>of trading away some of either the one zero to

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<v Speaker 2>three controllable talent they have or some of their precious

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<v Speaker 2>few top prospects. You know, Jim Crain decided to take

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<v Speaker 2>on the month, take on Carlos Carea's money, and that

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<v Speaker 2>allowed them to keep a lot of their controllable talent

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<v Speaker 2>and their prospects in the system. You know, they were

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<v Speaker 2>very hard after Dylan ceased. Dylan Cease was their primary

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<v Speaker 2>target throughout this deadline until the Carlos Correa stuff really

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<v Speaker 2>started to pop up. So the fact that they went

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<v Speaker 2>so hard after dylan cease does kind of reaffirm that

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<v Speaker 2>there is at least some worry about what these injured

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<v Speaker 2>guys are going to come back and provide. But look,

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<v Speaker 2>they're in a good spot with the top two guys

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<v Speaker 2>in their rotation. Hunter Brown's going tonight and he hasn't

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<v Speaker 2>been as dominant in his last four or five starts.

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<v Speaker 2>I think tonight is a pretty crucial start for him,

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<v Speaker 2>just to see if he can get back on track

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<v Speaker 2>and get deeper into the games. Pitch efficiency has been

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<v Speaker 2>a problem for him lately. Froberveldez has been incredible the

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<v Speaker 2>last two or three months. You know, you kind of

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<v Speaker 2>pencil him in as a guy you know you're going

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<v Speaker 2>to get six or seven innings out of every time

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<v Speaker 2>they go out there. They feel comfortable with those two guys.

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<v Speaker 2>They feel comfortable set up man Brian A.

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<v Speaker 4>Bray.

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<v Speaker 2>Obviously John at the back end has done great work,

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<v Speaker 2>but everything behind that there's a lot of question marks.

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<v Speaker 2>And it's proof that with how hard they were pushing

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<v Speaker 2>for Dylan Cees that they know that this could go

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<v Speaker 2>awry a little bit. Not saying it will, but they're

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<v Speaker 2>putting a lot of confidence and some injured guys that

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<v Speaker 2>have not been on a major league mound in a

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<v Speaker 2>while to come back in a pressure filled situation in

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<v Speaker 2>a race for the division and get out and get

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<v Speaker 2>them deep into games. And that's a dangerous gamble to wage.

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<v Speaker 1>Chandler last one. Let's grade it. Just give us a

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<v Speaker 1>grade for their trade deadline? Did you do one for

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<v Speaker 1>the athletic.

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<v Speaker 2>I didn't do one myself. I probably give them a

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<v Speaker 2>B plus. You know that look they had. We haven't

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<v Speaker 2>talked about Haesue Sanchez yet. I think that's probably the

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<v Speaker 2>biggest acquisite. Like obviously Carlos Carea is Carlos Carea We're

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<v Speaker 2>gonna put into the side for a minute, but functionally

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<v Speaker 2>for their roster, getting Hayesue Sanchez was massive. This is

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<v Speaker 2>this is a lineup that has taken the fewest at

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<v Speaker 2>bats against left handed pitching all season. This is a

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<v Speaker 2>lineup that is very, very right handled. He sus Sanchez

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<v Speaker 2>comes in and he has like something like an eight

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<v Speaker 2>to fourteen ops against right handed pitching. Left he hits

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<v Speaker 2>left handed, will bring balance to their lineup while your

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<v Speaker 2>and Alvarez is out, will continue to bring it. Once

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<v Speaker 2>he's back, and I think more importantly, they can spell

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Smith now on right field because as we've watched

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<v Speaker 2>Cam Smith really since the All Star break, it looks

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<v Speaker 2>like the rookie wall is approaching for him. If he's

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<v Speaker 2>not hit it already, he's coming dangerously close to hitting it.

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<v Speaker 2>He's up toward a workload in a threshold that he's

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<v Speaker 2>never played before. He's never played this much. So they

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<v Speaker 2>can now maybe put him in a semi platoon situation.

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<v Speaker 2>Start Sanchez against a bunch of right handed pitching, bring

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<v Speaker 2>Cam back against some lefties. I don't think it's going

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<v Speaker 2>to be a strict platoon in that way, but this

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<v Speaker 2>will help Cam Smith out a bunch. It will help,

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<v Speaker 2>you know, managers, not avoid managers just unleashing all their

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<v Speaker 2>right handed hitter, all their right handed pitching on this

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<v Speaker 2>all right handed lineup. It'll give them some second thoughts

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<v Speaker 2>as to how they deploy their pitching staff. But you know,

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<v Speaker 2>I think that was a pickup that went under the

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<v Speaker 2>radar because of what happened with Korea. But I do

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<v Speaker 2>think because they didn't address the rotation or the bullpen,

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<v Speaker 2>because they didn't get at least some pitching help. I

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<v Speaker 2>would have to give it a B plus, but all

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<v Speaker 2>in all, a good deadline for Dana Brown the Astros.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, I'm with you, good stuff. Chandler, thanks for the

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<v Speaker 1>time and what a day, What a day. It was

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<v Speaker 1>fun to watch it, cover it on Twitter and in

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<v Speaker 1>the Athletic. Thanks man. And then of course yeah it's problem. Tyler,

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<v Speaker 1>Stafford and Josh Reddick on the way out here on

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<v Speaker 1>Chush Citty Territory taking over. That's Chandler room. You can

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<v Speaker 1>catch him Reddick sometimes, Stafford all the time. Part of

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<v Speaker 1>the FT Network. Check them out YouTube wherever you get

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<v Speaker 1>your pods. They're great and sort the astros this year

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<v Speaker 1>and every year for the past decade.