WEBVTT - Jane Goodall 0:00:03.000 --> 0:00:05.000 One of the most admired people in the world is 0:00:05.040 --> 0:00:08.680 doctor Jane Goodall. About sixty years ago, she moved to 0:00:08.680 --> 0:00:12.760 Africa to study chimpanzees and what she learned revolutionize our 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.560 understanding of what non humans can do. Today, she's devoting 0:00:16.560 --> 0:00:20.120 herself to inspiring young people around the world to do 0:00:20.239 --> 0:00:22.840 much more to protect the climate and the environment for 0:00:22.880 --> 0:00:25.720 animals in Africa and all over the world. I had 0:00:25.720 --> 0:00:28.360 a chance to sit down with doctor Jane Goodall recently 0:00:28.720 --> 0:00:32.160 and learned firsthand why this woman eighty nine years old 0:00:32.520 --> 0:00:36.120 is still so admired and dedicated to helping make the 0:00:36.159 --> 0:00:39.239 planet a better place. So thank you very much for 0:00:39.280 --> 0:00:41.760 coming here, and we're going to go through a lot 0:00:41.800 --> 0:00:44.080 of what you've done and the things that made you 0:00:44.440 --> 0:00:48.760 make you so popular. On your last name that kind 0:00:48.800 --> 0:00:53.159 of describes everything good All. So you ever thought of 0:00:53.280 --> 0:00:55.560 changing the good for All because you're doing so many 0:00:55.600 --> 0:00:56.960 other things or great All? 0:00:57.160 --> 0:01:01.640 Or do we do have on our website Good for 0:01:01.720 --> 0:01:06.000 All News, which is because I truly believe that the 0:01:06.120 --> 0:01:08.240 media we need to know the doom and the gloom. 0:01:08.360 --> 0:01:11.600 We do, but why don't they give more time to 0:01:11.640 --> 0:01:15.200 the amazing people, wonderful projects around the world that you 0:01:15.319 --> 0:01:19.080 read and people will say, wow, they did that. Well, 0:01:19.120 --> 0:01:20.080 we could do it too. 0:01:20.680 --> 0:01:23.040 Okay, well you're inspired a lot of people, no doubt 0:01:23.040 --> 0:01:25.520 a lot of people here I've read about what you've done. 0:01:25.560 --> 0:01:28.280 Let's go through how this came about. The outset. So 0:01:28.920 --> 0:01:31.840 you grew up in London or in England, England, England, 0:01:32.440 --> 0:01:36.039 and when you're one year old you read a you 0:01:36.080 --> 0:01:38.840 were given a book or something about chimpanzees. Is that 0:01:38.880 --> 0:01:39.360 true work? 0:01:39.440 --> 0:01:42.440 It was my father, who I really didn't know because 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.440 it was just before World War two and he joined 0:01:45.440 --> 0:01:49.000 out as soon as war was declared. But he gave 0:01:49.080 --> 0:01:54.040 me a stuff Chimpanzee Jubilee. He was the name for 0:01:54.120 --> 0:01:57.200 the first chimpanzee born in the London Zoo and the 0:01:57.320 --> 0:02:01.440 jubilee of Queen George and Mary, I suppose, and I 0:02:01.480 --> 0:02:06.000 took him everywhere with me. But people have the misapprehension 0:02:06.600 --> 0:02:10.920 that because of that I studied chimpanzees. Wasn't true. The 0:02:11.080 --> 0:02:14.880 chimpanzee interests began, you know, I finally saved up money. 0:02:14.919 --> 0:02:16.800 I had to be a waitress. We had no money 0:02:16.800 --> 0:02:21.840 in my family and we couldn't even afford university. So 0:02:22.600 --> 0:02:26.000 I did this boring old secretarial course. Then I got 0:02:26.040 --> 0:02:29.880 invited to Kenya by a school friend, and so I 0:02:29.919 --> 0:02:34.480 worked as a waitress to save up the fair. And 0:02:34.600 --> 0:02:39.639 so I would have studied any animal. I was ten 0:02:39.760 --> 0:02:42.600 years old when my dream was I'll go to Africa, 0:02:43.000 --> 0:02:46.600 live with wild animals and write books about them. Why 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.000 because I was in love with Tarzan. 0:02:49.600 --> 0:02:53.880 Right, Well, you did that at ten years old. So 0:02:54.000 --> 0:02:56.000 you told your mother you'd like to go to Africa 0:02:56.160 --> 0:02:59.120 and see the chimpanzees. And what did she say? 0:02:59.400 --> 0:03:02.040 Not the and thees. I would have studied anything. 0:03:02.560 --> 0:03:05.160 Well, what did your mother say to anything? Did she did? Think? 0:03:05.160 --> 0:03:07.799 Your mother I to attribute a great deal of who 0:03:07.840 --> 0:03:10.640 I am and what I've done to the wise way 0:03:10.680 --> 0:03:14.520 that she brought me up. She was supported. So when 0:03:14.600 --> 0:03:17.440 I said I wanted to go to Africa, everybody laughed 0:03:17.480 --> 0:03:20.160 at me. How will you do that? Africa's far away, 0:03:20.240 --> 0:03:23.680 you don't have money, it's dangerous, and you're just a girl. 0:03:24.080 --> 0:03:27.520 Remember this is going back seventy years now that my 0:03:27.600 --> 0:03:30.639 mother said, if you really want to do this, you're 0:03:30.639 --> 0:03:33.480 going to have to work really hard, take advantage of 0:03:33.560 --> 0:03:37.440 every opportunity, and if you don't give up, hopefully find 0:03:37.480 --> 0:03:37.840 a way. 0:03:38.520 --> 0:03:41.360 So you save your money and you went and you 0:03:41.400 --> 0:03:43.720 told your parents you're really going to Africa. They didn't say, well, 0:03:43.760 --> 0:03:45.480 that was nice to talk about it, but you really 0:03:45.520 --> 0:03:47.200 can't do it. They really didn't care if you went. 0:03:47.320 --> 0:03:47.680 Is that right? 0:03:47.720 --> 0:03:49.960 Well my father was out of it. He was still 0:03:50.280 --> 0:03:53.320 you know a way they divorced and that was my 0:03:53.440 --> 0:03:56.840 mother and you know, she just said, well, stick with 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.000 it if you want to do it. And do you 0:03:59.080 --> 0:04:03.200 know how many people have written to me and said, Jane, 0:04:03.240 --> 0:04:06.440 I want to thank you because you did it, I 0:04:06.520 --> 0:04:07.360 can do it too. 0:04:08.080 --> 0:04:10.360 Okay, So you did this at the age of twenty three, 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:12.400 you go to How did you pick which part of Africa? 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.000 How did you get to Tanzania for example? 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:18.919 Well, because my friend's parents had bought a farm in Kenya, 0:04:19.800 --> 0:04:23.360 and while I was there, I met the famous paleontologist 0:04:23.680 --> 0:04:28.360 Lewis Leiki and he gave me this opportunity to go 0:04:28.440 --> 0:04:31.200 and study not just any animal, but the one most 0:04:31.400 --> 0:04:35.240 like us, chimpanzee. I would have studied a mouse if 0:04:35.279 --> 0:04:36.679 I could be out in the Africa. 0:04:37.240 --> 0:04:40.640 So Lewis Leaky was the famous paleontologist who more or 0:04:40.720 --> 0:04:44.280 less came up with the theory that humans pretty much 0:04:44.320 --> 0:04:46.880 evolved out of southern Africa. Yeah, and he was famous 0:04:46.920 --> 0:04:48.760 for that. And did you get to know him or. 0:04:48.680 --> 0:04:51.159 A very well? Because you know, I told you I 0:04:51.200 --> 0:04:54.520 had to do that boring secretarial cause when I heard 0:04:54.560 --> 0:04:58.840 about Louis LeKi and went to see him, his secretary 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:02.080 had just left. He needed a secretary there, I was. 0:05:02.160 --> 0:05:05.799 So I'm right now surrounded by people who can answer 0:05:05.839 --> 0:05:09.480 all my questions about the animals and the birds and everything. 0:05:09.960 --> 0:05:12.680 And so at one point, you said I really want 0:05:12.720 --> 0:05:14.279 to go live with the chimpanzees. 0:05:14.480 --> 0:05:15.400 No I didn't. 0:05:16.040 --> 0:05:19.000 Okay, as I said, you didn't say that, right, What 0:05:19.520 --> 0:05:20.039 did you say? 0:05:20.760 --> 0:05:24.559 I told him I really wanted to study animals, okay, 0:05:24.600 --> 0:05:27.400 And for some reason, although I hadn't been to college, 0:05:27.960 --> 0:05:30.880 he believed that I could do what he'd been looking 0:05:30.960 --> 0:05:33.720 for someone for ten years. He told me to go 0:05:33.760 --> 0:05:38.600 and study not just any animal, but our closest living relatives, 0:05:38.880 --> 0:05:39.800 the chimpanzees. 0:05:40.200 --> 0:05:43.000 Okay, so he said, okay. Eventually, how long had you 0:05:43.000 --> 0:05:44.560 worked for him before he said you could do this? 0:05:44.800 --> 0:05:47.800 A year? A year? So he said, okay, you're going 0:05:47.839 --> 0:05:50.320 to do this. But did he just give you a 0:05:50.360 --> 0:05:51.760 guidance or to tell you where to go? 0:05:51.920 --> 0:05:55.800 Or no, he didn't have money, so it took him 0:05:55.839 --> 0:05:59.560 a year to get the money. Tanzania with the chimps 0:05:59.720 --> 0:06:03.480 were and are was still part of the British Protectorate 0:06:04.240 --> 0:06:07.880 and the authorities. The British authorities said, we won't take 0:06:07.960 --> 0:06:12.360 responsibility for this young girl. But Leaky never gave up 0:06:12.440 --> 0:06:15.159 sewing me and they said, yes, but she can't come alone. 0:06:15.680 --> 0:06:20.119 So who volunteered that same amazing supportive mother. 0:06:20.600 --> 0:06:24.520 Your mother came with you to Africa to study the chimpanzees. 0:06:24.680 --> 0:06:26.960 Well, she didn't do the study. She looked off to 0:06:27.000 --> 0:06:27.400 the camp. 0:06:27.480 --> 0:06:31.039 Okay, all right, So when eventually you do get there, 0:06:31.320 --> 0:06:33.599 just to live with the chimpanzees, you're supposed to live 0:06:33.640 --> 0:06:34.440 with them, is that right? 0:06:34.839 --> 0:06:36.480 Live with them and learn from them. 0:06:36.560 --> 0:06:38.120 But do you get a tent or something? 0:06:38.240 --> 0:06:38.760 Or a tent? 0:06:39.080 --> 0:06:41.600 You had a tent? So was it? Were they dangerous? 0:06:41.640 --> 0:06:43.320 I mean, weren't you worried they might attack you? 0:06:43.760 --> 0:06:48.200 Well, you know, for me, we had an old ex 0:06:48.279 --> 0:06:51.440 army tent, Mam and I between us, no nice sown 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:55.920 in ground sheet and mosquito windows, nothing like that. And 0:06:56.400 --> 0:06:59.440 I would go happily up into the mountains every morning 0:06:59.760 --> 0:07:03.000 for doing my dream. Mom would be left in the camp, 0:07:03.520 --> 0:07:06.400 and if you wanted air in that tent, you rolled 0:07:06.480 --> 0:07:09.240 up the side flaps and tied them with tape and 0:07:09.400 --> 0:07:16.360 in came air, but also scorpions, spiders, snakes, which I 0:07:16.440 --> 0:07:18.200 didn't mind about. But poor Mom. 0:07:18.720 --> 0:07:21.840 I mean, so you set up, you set up a tent, 0:07:22.600 --> 0:07:26.240 and how did you engage the chimpanzees? How did you 0:07:26.360 --> 0:07:28.320 kind of get close to them? How did you not 0:07:28.400 --> 0:07:31.240 worry about their attacking you? How did you befriend them. 0:07:31.640 --> 0:07:36.400 With great difficulty? For four months? I remember I had 0:07:36.480 --> 0:07:39.880 sick money for six months. For four of those months, 0:07:40.040 --> 0:07:42.720 they ran away as soon as they saw me. And 0:07:43.200 --> 0:07:46.360 you know, I knew, given time that I could win 0:07:46.440 --> 0:07:49.560 that trust. But did I have the time? The days 0:07:49.640 --> 0:07:52.400 turned to weeks, ton to months, and it was wonderful 0:07:52.600 --> 0:07:56.560 because what Mom did. She boosted my morality, said, Jane, 0:07:56.800 --> 0:08:00.800 you found that peak, and with your binoculars you seeing 0:08:00.800 --> 0:08:05.280 how chimps wander around by themselves in small groups, big 0:08:05.280 --> 0:08:08.200 groups when there's a new food available. You're learning about 0:08:08.240 --> 0:08:10.880 the calls they make, the foods they eat, how they 0:08:10.920 --> 0:08:15.280 make nests at night, and so she really helped to 0:08:15.320 --> 0:08:16.640 boost When we're all all. 0:08:16.640 --> 0:08:19.200 Right, so you weren't trained as a scientist, so you 0:08:19.360 --> 0:08:22.239 used your powers of observation to see what they were doing. 0:08:22.600 --> 0:08:27.320 Yes, and my in bore love of animals, my curiosity, 0:08:27.840 --> 0:08:32.720 my fascination. Leaky told me nothing. He never even visited Gombe. 0:08:32.920 --> 0:08:35.600 So when you go to see the chimpanzees, you first 0:08:35.600 --> 0:08:38.800 engage them. Do you give him some food or something 0:08:38.800 --> 0:08:40.000 to kind of narrow them? No? 0:08:40.120 --> 0:08:43.760 I just tried to get them used to me, and eventually, 0:08:43.840 --> 0:08:46.160 and it was very sad. It was just two weeks 0:08:46.200 --> 0:08:50.760 after Mum left that I saw this one famous chimpanzee, 0:08:50.880 --> 0:08:54.360 very handsome. I called him David Grabiad. It was the 0:08:54.400 --> 0:08:57.720 first one to lose his fear. And on this special 0:08:57.800 --> 0:09:03.640 day I saw him using grass stems to fish termis 0:09:04.240 --> 0:09:04.960 from their nest. 0:09:05.160 --> 0:09:07.520 Okay, does it get lonely out there? Just you and 0:09:07.559 --> 0:09:11.120 the champanzees. There's no cell phones, there's no anything. You you 0:09:11.280 --> 0:09:11.800 get lonely. 0:09:12.040 --> 0:09:18.360 We have lap computers at that time, So lonely all day? 0:09:18.400 --> 0:09:20.920 What did you do all they just look at the champanzees, 0:09:20.960 --> 0:09:21.959 try to get close to them. 0:09:22.120 --> 0:09:25.440 Tried to get close when possible. I watched some of 0:09:25.520 --> 0:09:29.760 my binoculars. Sometimes I stayed out if they nested, I 0:09:30.280 --> 0:09:33.040 would go back to have supper with Mum. Then I 0:09:33.040 --> 0:09:35.160 would go back up so that I could be near 0:09:35.200 --> 0:09:38.239 them in the morning. And I was scared of leopards. 0:09:38.840 --> 0:09:41.880 Back then, we had leopards at Gombi, and I would 0:09:41.880 --> 0:09:44.600 hear them at night when I was up there alone 0:09:45.040 --> 0:09:48.920 with my little blanket, and I would hear the leopards 0:09:49.000 --> 0:09:53.839 hunting sound, and I think, pull the blanket over my head. O. 0:09:54.600 --> 0:09:56.679 Did you ever say to yourself, how did I get 0:09:56.720 --> 0:09:58.600 myself into this? Or do you always say I'm glad 0:09:58.600 --> 0:09:59.120 I'm doing this. 0:09:59.360 --> 0:10:02.120 No, I was following my dream. I was They were 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:03.720 the best days of my life. 0:10:03.800 --> 0:10:06.959 So eventually you go back to doctor Leaky and you 0:10:07.040 --> 0:10:09.120 give them a report on what you've learned. And in 0:10:09.160 --> 0:10:12.360 that report you kind of changed the perception around the 0:10:12.400 --> 0:10:16.280 world of chimpanzees because people thought at that time, as 0:10:16.320 --> 0:10:20.400 I understand it, that chimpanzees are not capable of making tools. 0:10:20.800 --> 0:10:24.120 Only humans could do that, right, And you discovered they 0:10:24.200 --> 0:10:25.560 make tools for what purpose? 0:10:26.320 --> 0:10:30.720 Fishing for termites, crumpling leaves to get water from a 0:10:30.760 --> 0:10:33.800 hollow in a tree that they can't reach with their lips. 0:10:33.960 --> 0:10:36.679 Did you ever eat the termites yourself. Are they tasty 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:37.720 or well I had. 0:10:37.600 --> 0:10:41.080 To eat one just to say I'd done so. 0:10:41.080 --> 0:10:43.720 So after you gave your report to doctor Leaky, he 0:10:43.840 --> 0:10:46.439 I guess sent it to somebody and people said, how 0:10:46.480 --> 0:10:50.400 can this woman not trained as a scientist come up 0:10:50.400 --> 0:10:53.280 with a discovery that we famous scientists didn't know about? 0:10:53.400 --> 0:10:54.959 Is that the essence of the problem. 0:10:55.240 --> 0:11:00.240 They were keep the hurrogans, most of them, and you know, 0:11:00.320 --> 0:11:04.760 they were saying things like, well, she's just a girl, 0:11:05.400 --> 0:11:09.160 she's straight out from England. Why should we believe her. 0:11:09.520 --> 0:11:12.320 One of them even said maybe she taught the chimps 0:11:12.720 --> 0:11:15.240 to use tools, which as they were running away at 0:11:15.280 --> 0:11:16.080 the time with them. 0:11:16.440 --> 0:11:20.800 So eventually National Geographic decides to get a photographer to 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:21.160 come over. 0:11:21.440 --> 0:11:25.160 Yeah, the National Geographic came after a Leaky approached them 0:11:25.160 --> 0:11:28.120 and they said, we will fund James resort after the 0:11:28.320 --> 0:11:29.360 six months money. 0:11:29.440 --> 0:11:32.760 Now the National Geographic came over and was able to 0:11:32.800 --> 0:11:35.679 get people to interested in this because of what reason? 0:11:35.880 --> 0:11:40.280 This is what the scientist said. The scientist said, oh, well, 0:11:40.400 --> 0:11:43.600 you know, the geographics giving her money because they can 0:11:43.600 --> 0:11:46.640 put her on the cover because she's got nice legs. 0:11:48.520 --> 0:11:52.200 So okay, if that would happen today, there'd be a 0:11:52.240 --> 0:11:58.080 lawsuit back then. I just thought, well, I mean there 0:11:58.160 --> 0:12:00.680 was a different world back then, and I thought, well, 0:12:01.120 --> 0:12:03.400 if my legs have got me the money to do 0:12:03.480 --> 0:12:06.319 what I want to do, which is buddy win, thank 0:12:06.440 --> 0:12:07.920 you legs. 0:12:09.080 --> 0:12:14.880 So well. Nasa Jay GRapi sent the photographer over, they 0:12:15.080 --> 0:12:18.520 took the pictures. It became a famous article and then 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:21.559 you became pretty well known. Did you decide to go 0:12:21.720 --> 0:12:24.680 back to England and do something else then get your PhD? 0:12:24.880 --> 0:12:25.360 Or no? 0:12:25.640 --> 0:12:29.679 Leaky wrote to me and said I picked you because 0:12:29.720 --> 0:12:32.760 you had not been to university and your brain wasn't 0:12:33.280 --> 0:12:37.920 wasn't you know, sutted up with the very arrogant way 0:12:38.080 --> 0:12:42.880 scientists treated animals back then as mere things. But he said, 0:12:42.960 --> 0:12:47.600 now I want you to be to be respected by 0:12:47.679 --> 0:12:50.520 other scientists, so you must get a degree. But we 0:12:50.600 --> 0:12:54.080 don't have time for an undergraduate degree. I've got you 0:12:54.080 --> 0:12:57.760 a place in Cambridge University in England to do a 0:12:57.800 --> 0:13:03.000 PhD intology. Well, I didn't know what ethology means, so 0:13:03.360 --> 0:13:05.040 Budy and behavior, so you. 0:13:05.000 --> 0:13:07.120 Skip the undergraduate part and you got a PhD. 0:13:07.360 --> 0:13:12.120 And I was very very nervous. You can imagine I'd 0:13:12.120 --> 0:13:16.160 never been to college, and just imagine what I felt 0:13:16.200 --> 0:13:21.120 like when I was told by the scientists. Well, first 0:13:21.120 --> 0:13:24.400 of all, you shouldn't give them the chimpanzee names. It's 0:13:24.440 --> 0:13:27.559 if you're a proper silenist, you give them numbers. Then 0:13:27.600 --> 0:13:31.880 they said you can't talk about their personalities, their minds, 0:13:32.000 --> 0:13:35.880 or their emotions. Those are unique to us. They also 0:13:36.000 --> 0:13:41.320 said you must not have empathy with your subjects, because 0:13:41.520 --> 0:13:45.040 a good scientist is objective and if you have empathy, 0:13:45.040 --> 0:13:48.160 you can't be objective, which is rubbish. 0:13:48.960 --> 0:13:51.480 So you got your PhD. Did you say now I'm 0:13:51.520 --> 0:13:53.640 going to teach at Cambridge or decide to go back 0:13:53.640 --> 0:13:54.839 to Africa? Oh? 0:13:54.880 --> 0:13:57.560 I was going back in between because I was still learning. 0:13:57.640 --> 0:13:59.840 We're still learning after sixty three years. 0:14:00.480 --> 0:14:04.560 Chimpionzees, you discovered, actually are not quite as nice as 0:14:04.679 --> 0:14:06.520 you wanted them to be. They kill each other from 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:07.440 time to time. Is that right? 0:14:07.480 --> 0:14:11.520 They have? The males are territorial, and if they see 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:15.360 an individual from a neighboring community, communities are gonna be 0:14:15.480 --> 0:14:20.440 about fifty and that that individual will probably die. 0:14:21.280 --> 0:14:23.840 And when you, let's say, go away, go back to England, 0:14:23.920 --> 0:14:27.560 come back, they recognize you. You Yeah, And how did 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:29.720 they befriend you when you come back and they like you, 0:14:29.760 --> 0:14:32.240 do they bring you a gift or they bring you something. 0:14:32.880 --> 0:14:36.520 I never wanted that kind of relationship dieing Fossy with 0:14:36.560 --> 0:14:40.360 the gorillas. She did, but I wanted to, like looking 0:14:40.400 --> 0:14:43.600 through a window, I wanted to watch the behavior as 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:46.120 it is without me being in the picture. 0:14:47.000 --> 0:14:51.880 Hey, so for many years you're living in Africa, no electricity, 0:14:52.160 --> 0:14:55.760 no cell phones, no television, none of the important things 0:14:55.760 --> 0:14:57.200 you need in life to get by, right. 0:14:57.560 --> 0:14:59.920 No, No, they're not important at all. 0:15:00.160 --> 0:15:06.160 Okay, So, so like, obviously they can talk to each other, 0:15:06.280 --> 0:15:10.040 but is it possible that that humans can convey some 0:15:10.080 --> 0:15:12.720 type of language to chimpanzees or teach them how to 0:15:12.960 --> 0:15:15.600 add wasn't that whatever you were working on at one point, 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:18.120 teaching them how to addition or words? And how did 0:15:18.160 --> 0:15:19.040 that work? Did they go? 0:15:19.120 --> 0:15:23.200 Well? I never have. But chimpanzees have been taught sign language, 0:15:23.880 --> 0:15:26.720 and they can learn up to about seven hundred words 0:15:26.760 --> 0:15:31.160 that deaf people use, and from that you can learn 0:15:31.320 --> 0:15:37.120 fascinating things like, for example, some chimpanzees love to paint 0:15:37.520 --> 0:15:40.480 or draw. Not all of them, and these are captive ones, 0:15:40.520 --> 0:15:45.360 of course, but one young chimpanzee she was four years old, 0:15:46.120 --> 0:15:49.400 and she used to film her page with lovely lines 0:15:49.440 --> 0:15:52.760 of different colors, and on this occasion she made a 0:15:52.840 --> 0:15:57.280 drawing like that, and so her teacher handed the paperback 0:15:57.320 --> 0:16:01.800 and signed finish, so that Mpanzee looked at it and 0:16:02.000 --> 0:16:06.160 handed it back and said finished. And so this went 0:16:06.240 --> 0:16:10.040 on about two times, and then the teacher had the 0:16:10.920 --> 0:16:15.120 brains to say what is it? And the chimpanzee signed 0:16:15.200 --> 0:16:20.680 back a bull. Well, a human if doing a bull 0:16:20.760 --> 0:16:24.760 would do a bull, right, what's the chimp done? The bulbs? 0:16:26.840 --> 0:16:30.120 And that gives you a whole new feeling of looking 0:16:30.200 --> 0:16:32.560 at the world through the eyes of a chimp. She's 0:16:32.720 --> 0:16:33.680 doing the movement? 0:16:34.680 --> 0:16:39.560 Wow. So why do you think people are so fascinated 0:16:39.640 --> 0:16:41.640 by what you have achieved in your life? I mean, 0:16:41.880 --> 0:16:43.440 when you were doing this, you didn't do this for 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:45.160 a world to claim you were doing it because you're 0:16:45.200 --> 0:16:47.480 interested in it. But it turns out the world is 0:16:47.560 --> 0:16:50.200 fascinated by what you've done with your life. Why do 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.720 you think that is? Is that people love chimpanzees or 0:16:52.840 --> 0:16:56.280 like the dedication you've shown, or they just admire your 0:16:57.000 --> 0:17:00.000 courage to do this. Why do you think you're so beloved? 0:17:00.200 --> 0:17:02.520 I think you should ask somebody else. I don't know. 0:17:02.800 --> 0:17:03.680 That's okay. 0:17:04.040 --> 0:17:04.880 We're here for. 0:17:04.960 --> 0:17:07.639 You know, I mean, yeah, yeah, I mean some people 0:17:07.640 --> 0:17:11.760 are fascinated by the chimp's basically children. Some people love 0:17:11.800 --> 0:17:14.640 it that I was a woman. I think of myself 0:17:14.680 --> 0:17:17.160 as a human. I don't care about the male female bit. 0:17:17.800 --> 0:17:19.919 Really Okay, so you think a man could have done 0:17:19.960 --> 0:17:20.919 this better than you did this? 0:17:21.160 --> 0:17:28.679 No, well, there are amazing male people study apes. But 0:17:28.760 --> 0:17:30.040 it just happened. It was me. 0:17:30.320 --> 0:17:33.080 What would you like young girls to learn about what 0:17:33.119 --> 0:17:36.919 they can do? And how would you suggest they follow 0:17:36.960 --> 0:17:37.679 what you've done? 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:40.600 Well, I would say that they all should be told 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:42.920 what my mother told me. If there's something you really 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:45.520 want to do, then you have to work really hard, 0:17:45.640 --> 0:17:49.320 take advantage of every opportunity, and if you don't give up, 0:17:49.640 --> 0:17:52.200 hopefully you find a way. But for all of us, 0:17:52.920 --> 0:17:56.199 it's the main message of roots and shoes, which, by 0:17:56.240 --> 0:17:59.360 the way, I didn't tell you. It's now in sixty 0:17:59.480 --> 0:18:07.720 eight countries around the world we have ambush. We had 0:18:07.760 --> 0:18:12.440 members in kindergarten, even a few in preschool, but kindergarten, 0:18:12.640 --> 0:18:15.760 university and more and more adults like the staff of 0:18:15.840 --> 0:18:20.960 a big corporation like senior citizens. And the main message 0:18:21.000 --> 0:18:25.239 is every single one of us makes some impact on 0:18:25.280 --> 0:18:29.120 the planet every single day, and we get to choose 0:18:29.600 --> 0:18:30.960 what impact do we make. 0:18:31.119 --> 0:18:34.719 So have you ever been to Washington, DC? Much? If 0:18:34.760 --> 0:18:35.440 you go there much? 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.040 Oh, I've done so much love being there, a fine 0:18:40.080 --> 0:18:42.480 meeting with right now, I haven't been doing any lo bit. 0:18:43.040 --> 0:18:46.080 So do you find meeting with members of Congress uplifting her? 0:18:46.280 --> 0:18:49.200 Not so much defense who I meet? 0:18:50.200 --> 0:18:53.199 Most of your life you devoted to the study of 0:18:53.480 --> 0:18:56.960 chimpanzees to make sure that they're better understood and better 0:18:57.040 --> 0:19:01.119 appreciate it. But in recent years at the institute, the 0:19:01.200 --> 0:19:04.960 Jane Goodall Institute, and what is that design. 0:19:04.720 --> 0:19:10.400 To do well? That started in nineteen seventy seven, when 0:19:11.040 --> 0:19:14.280 by then I had a little research station and four 0:19:14.320 --> 0:19:18.640 of my students were kidnapped and everything shut down, and 0:19:19.040 --> 0:19:22.640 so some friends of mine said, well, let's start an 0:19:22.720 --> 0:19:27.200 institute so that this research can carry on. Bless them. 0:19:27.440 --> 0:19:30.280 So that was nineteen seventy seven, and it was set 0:19:30.359 --> 0:19:36.120 up to study, conserve chimpanzees and other animals and educate 0:19:36.920 --> 0:19:40.359 and it's developed since then. So it's you know, we've 0:19:40.400 --> 0:19:45.760 got twenty seven Jane Goodall institutes around the world. And 0:19:45.800 --> 0:19:52.720 then I realized at some point that people living the 0:19:52.800 --> 0:19:57.080 African people living in and around chimpanzee habitats right across 0:19:57.119 --> 0:20:02.680 Africa were struggling to vibe. There was crippling poverty, lack 0:20:02.720 --> 0:20:06.800 of health and education, moving deeper into the forest, being 0:20:06.920 --> 0:20:11.760 exposed to diseases like ebola and the HIV from the 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:16.320 chimpanzees and vice versa. And I suddenly it hit me. 0:20:16.920 --> 0:20:19.760 If we don't help these people to find ways of 0:20:19.840 --> 0:20:24.520 making a living without destroying their environment, we can't conservation 0:20:24.640 --> 0:20:25.200 will work. 0:20:26.000 --> 0:20:28.800 So you've devoted a large part of the Good All 0:20:28.960 --> 0:20:32.680 Institute to climate change and conservation. Is that right? 0:20:33.160 --> 0:20:36.439 Yes? Absolutely? Well right now? I mean, you know we 0:20:36.600 --> 0:20:42.400 face these two existential threats, don't we, Climate change, which 0:20:42.440 --> 0:20:45.240 has changed where the patterns all around the world. We 0:20:45.320 --> 0:20:49.000 had the flooding yesterday, you know, day before years today, 0:20:49.280 --> 0:20:54.520 and then loss of biodiversity. And what people don't realize 0:20:54.760 --> 0:20:57.760 we are not the only part of the natural world, 0:20:58.040 --> 0:21:02.200 even though with our cell phone and virtual reality we 0:21:02.240 --> 0:21:07.560 feel divorced from nature, but we depend on it for food, water, clothing, everything. 0:21:08.359 --> 0:21:12.560 But what we depend on is healthy ecosystems and an 0:21:12.600 --> 0:21:17.240 ecosystem is this magical mix of plants and animals, each 0:21:17.280 --> 0:21:19.720 one with a role to play. So if you think 0:21:19.760 --> 0:21:24.080 of it as a beautiful tapestry, every time a species 0:21:24.200 --> 0:21:27.639 goes from that tapestry, it's like pulling a thread until 0:21:28.119 --> 0:21:33.440 the tapestry hangs in tatus and then the ecosystem will collapse. 0:21:33.800 --> 0:21:34.640 And it's happening. 0:21:35.040 --> 0:21:37.600 You have a fairly exhausting schedule. You're going from event 0:21:37.640 --> 0:21:39.919 to event, But how frequently do you get back to 0:21:40.119 --> 0:21:43.920 Africa every couple of weeks. You're back there now twice. 0:21:43.600 --> 0:21:47.159 A year because my family is there, partly because I 0:21:47.200 --> 0:21:49.480 need to go to Goombi, but we also have a 0:21:49.560 --> 0:21:53.720 big sanctuary for orphan chims in Congo. We have another 0:21:53.720 --> 0:21:57.320 one in South Africa. There's one that we basically are 0:21:57.320 --> 0:22:00.280 in Bolb within Uganda, and I need to go back. 0:22:00.480 --> 0:22:03.320 I need to, you know, give support to the stuff 0:22:03.359 --> 0:22:07.840 there Gombe. I go back, and luckily my family, my 0:22:07.960 --> 0:22:10.320 grandchildren can come with me, So it's time. 0:22:10.359 --> 0:22:12.720 But if you go back to Gombe now and you 0:22:12.760 --> 0:22:16.720 want to look for some chimpanzees, would you find some 0:22:16.880 --> 0:22:19.119 that you already knew you and would they recognize you? 0:22:19.200 --> 0:22:22.440 Still there is just one mother and her daughter that 0:22:22.480 --> 0:22:25.560 I knew. And you know, since I only go back 0:22:25.840 --> 0:22:28.840