WEBVTT - “Ghost Adventures” Real Life Horror Story 0:00:02.200 --> 0:00:04.880 Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ. 0:00:05.160 --> 0:00:09.959 It's Friday, October twenty fourth, and this week there is 0:00:10.680 --> 0:00:14.720 life imitating art in the middle of making art. But 0:00:15.400 --> 0:00:19.160 if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures, 0:00:19.360 --> 0:00:24.680 this week's episode is actually really scary, as in real 0:00:24.760 --> 0:00:29.560 life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventure shows the 0:00:29.560 --> 0:00:32.360 moment when one of it stars, Aaron Goodman, receives a 0:00:32.360 --> 0:00:35.919 call from police while he's in the middle of filming 0:00:35.960 --> 0:00:40.240 this week's episode that's called Hollydale Asylum of Hell and TJ. 0:00:40.360 --> 0:00:44.560 You said you remember hearing about reading about this story 0:00:44.600 --> 0:00:46.480 as it happened earlier this year. 0:00:46.800 --> 0:00:48.159 Oh, yeah, this has been going on for a while. 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.000 A lot of people will be familiar. But I mean 0:00:50.400 --> 0:00:52.120 a lot of people are into true crime these days. 0:00:52.120 --> 0:00:55.160 They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your 0:00:55.920 --> 0:00:59.200 I say, you're with all of us. Well, your favorite 0:00:59.360 --> 0:01:02.560 most intrigue and captivating episodes you can see is when 0:01:02.640 --> 0:01:06.039 there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind 0:01:06.040 --> 0:01:09.880 the scenes video, the cop videos. They're just intriguing stories. 0:01:10.440 --> 0:01:11.920 But we got a guy that now a lot of 0:01:11.959 --> 0:01:15.360 people are familiar with is caught up in this and yeah, 0:01:15.400 --> 0:01:18.600 this week we saw saw on video. I guess this 0:01:18.680 --> 0:01:20.880 is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the 0:01:20.880 --> 0:01:22.400 first time we're seeing it, that's right. 0:01:22.440 --> 0:01:26.640 So while Aaron was there in the middle of a 0:01:27.240 --> 0:01:31.560 filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then 0:01:31.600 --> 0:01:33.800 gets a call from hell literally and he says he 0:01:33.840 --> 0:01:37.000 will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost 0:01:37.080 --> 0:01:42.440 Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting 0:01:42.640 --> 0:01:45.200 and the history of this location, he's now finding out 0:01:45.280 --> 0:01:47.640 that something was going on in his own home that 0:01:47.720 --> 0:01:50.600 he had no idea what was happening. And we see 0:01:50.640 --> 0:01:54.840 the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house. 0:01:55.440 --> 0:01:58.880 He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they 0:01:58.880 --> 0:02:02.800 were arresting his wife in an alleged plot to kill him. 0:02:03.440 --> 0:02:05.920 What was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce. 0:02:06.360 --> 0:02:09.520 She just didn't want a divorce, and she actually asks 0:02:10.280 --> 0:02:12.359 we'll get into her text messages back and forth with 0:02:12.520 --> 0:02:16.680 she was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate 0:02:16.760 --> 0:02:20.800 in a Florida prison and she basically asked him, I 0:02:20.840 --> 0:02:23.880 a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather 0:02:23.919 --> 0:02:27.240 than divorce him. The answer is yes, and if you 0:02:27.320 --> 0:02:29.160 have to ask why would you ask an inmate? 0:02:30.120 --> 0:02:34.000 Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already here. Again, 0:02:34.000 --> 0:02:35.960 you're going to go through the story there. But the 0:02:36.000 --> 0:02:39.120 case itself has for the most part been resolved. Yes, 0:02:39.400 --> 0:02:41.760 but it's back in the headlines this week because of 0:02:41.800 --> 0:02:43.720 this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they 0:02:43.720 --> 0:02:46.840 promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:48.560 ago or months ago that this was coming. 0:02:48.600 --> 0:02:50.560 But it threw me to see the headline that they 0:02:50.639 --> 0:02:51.239 kept us in there. 0:02:51.320 --> 0:02:53.359 That absolutely threw me as well. 0:02:53.360 --> 0:02:56.000 And I hadn't been keeping up with I'm familiar with 0:02:56.040 --> 0:02:58.360 this TV show And by the way, it's a hit 0:02:58.639 --> 0:03:01.799 TV series on Discovery Plus Ghost Adventures. It's been on 0:03:01.840 --> 0:03:04.400 the air since two thousand and eight, so for almost 0:03:04.440 --> 0:03:08.120 twenty years. And this is a team that researches the 0:03:08.160 --> 0:03:13.160 locations the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings, 0:03:13.480 --> 0:03:17.280 and then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is, 0:03:17.320 --> 0:03:22.160 this historically haunted place, and they use equipment overnight to 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:26.080 try and capture evidence like audio recordings, some sort of 0:03:26.160 --> 0:03:29.480 visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture 0:03:29.600 --> 0:03:32.760 or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing 0:03:32.800 --> 0:03:36.680 this successfully and so many people love Aaron Goodwin and 0:03:36.920 --> 0:03:39.520 love the show, and we're just appalled to hear that 0:03:39.600 --> 0:03:42.480 this could have been happening. But this is what viewers 0:03:43.120 --> 0:03:45.800 saw this week, and if you haven't seen it, definitely 0:03:45.800 --> 0:03:49.440 worth a tune in. But literally they're filming and Goodwin says, dude, 0:03:50.040 --> 0:03:52.160 and then says, bro, the police ri at my house. 0:03:52.560 --> 0:03:55.360 He goes outside to take the call and they freeze 0:03:55.400 --> 0:03:59.720 the video and the host, Zach Began, says, at this point, 0:03:59.720 --> 0:04:02.640 we will will not be showing any further footage. But 0:04:02.800 --> 0:04:05.640 it is at this moment that Aaron receives a call 0:04:05.680 --> 0:04:08.360 from the police that his wife has been arrested and 0:04:08.480 --> 0:04:12.520 charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman 0:04:12.920 --> 0:04:17.640 to have Aarin killed. That is an someone who deals 0:04:17.640 --> 0:04:22.200 with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the 0:04:22.200 --> 0:04:24.680 most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life. 0:04:25.880 --> 0:04:28.279 Yeah, and again it was in the moment is his 0:04:28.360 --> 0:04:29.960 head was someone not that you're ever being in the 0:04:30.000 --> 0:04:32.040 right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given 0:04:32.080 --> 0:04:34.120 where he was and what he was going through, cameras 0:04:34.200 --> 0:04:37.320 or rolling and looking at him and that's not I mean, 0:04:38.160 --> 0:04:39.880 I don't know how you could get that message and 0:04:39.920 --> 0:04:42.560 not be surprised. I don't know you're ever going to 0:04:42.560 --> 0:04:45.400 get it. Say yeah, this reads, it's all the writing 0:04:45.440 --> 0:04:47.400 on the wall. Things weren't going well, and I'm now 0:04:47.880 --> 0:04:49.880 the person. You've shared how long they've been married. 0:04:50.360 --> 0:04:52.240 They got married in twenty twenty. 0:04:51.960 --> 0:04:54.080 Two, Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long 0:04:54.120 --> 0:04:56.800 they've been together. But still you're somebody you decide you're 0:04:56.800 --> 0:04:59.640 going to marry. You don't imagine that person's going to 0:04:59.720 --> 0:05:01.400 try kill you. 0:05:01.480 --> 0:05:04.479 No, And it's shocking to know, maybe even sometimes that 0:05:04.560 --> 0:05:06.880 someone wants to divorce you or has fallen out of 0:05:06.880 --> 0:05:07.320 love with you. 0:05:07.400 --> 0:05:08.280 That's shocking enough. 0:05:08.279 --> 0:05:10.960 But to go ahead and skip those steps and go 0:05:11.080 --> 0:05:14.840 straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was 0:05:14.960 --> 0:05:19.160 arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring 0:05:19.240 --> 0:05:22.360 to commit murder. And they found They say they uncovered 0:05:22.360 --> 0:05:27.120 the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this 0:05:27.240 --> 0:05:30.680 Florida inmate. His name is Grant a Motto, and she said, 0:05:30.720 --> 0:05:31.839 I want to leave my marriage. 0:05:32.320 --> 0:05:33.080 I want to. 0:05:33.040 --> 0:05:37.920 Plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's 0:05:37.960 --> 0:05:41.839 the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police 0:05:41.880 --> 0:05:45.000 are reading about information she has given this inmate about 0:05:45.040 --> 0:05:49.640 where he is filming, like his filming schedule. Within the messages, 0:05:49.880 --> 0:05:52.560 she actually wrote this, he's asleep right now in the 0:05:52.560 --> 0:05:54.800 hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can 0:05:54.839 --> 0:05:55.840 I get an update? 0:05:56.520 --> 0:05:57.480 Was it done? 0:05:59.640 --> 0:06:01.680 Okay? And how did this work? The inmate? 0:06:02.120 --> 0:06:04.599 She's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then 0:06:04.760 --> 0:06:07.080 finding somebody for her right, so correct. 0:06:07.200 --> 0:06:08.120 I don't know how she thought. 0:06:08.200 --> 0:06:12.359 And again she's communicating not on some signal app you know, 0:06:12.400 --> 0:06:15.880 the one that used the Pentagon or some other secure channel. 0:06:16.120 --> 0:06:17.839 She's just Facebook messaging this guy. 0:06:18.400 --> 0:06:19.600 Yes, anything, nobody's going. 0:06:19.560 --> 0:06:20.279 To find that, okay. 0:06:20.320 --> 0:06:24.799 And you want to know how she even found this inmate? 0:06:25.279 --> 0:06:27.960 She was watching TV like the rest of us, watching 0:06:28.000 --> 0:06:30.200 some true crime show and not he looks like a 0:06:30.200 --> 0:06:32.279 good one. I never thought of using it as a 0:06:32.279 --> 0:06:34.560 recruiting tool, but she apparently did. 0:06:34.720 --> 0:06:38.240 That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that, yes, 0:06:38.720 --> 0:06:42.479 she actually admitted to detectives while she was being interviewed 0:06:42.880 --> 0:06:44.800 before her arrest that she. 0:06:44.720 --> 0:06:46.719 Had become aware of the Florida inmate. 0:06:46.720 --> 0:06:48.440 They were confronting her with, hey, we know you've been 0:06:48.440 --> 0:06:51.360 communicating with his inmate. How did you meet him through 0:06:51.400 --> 0:06:56.560 a true crime documentary? And began writing to him. 0:06:57.320 --> 0:06:58.960 How much of this I mean? I hear that, I 0:06:58.960 --> 0:06:59.200 mean this. 0:07:00.360 --> 0:07:03.400 Some of the details are unbelievable. Criminals aren't smart. But 0:07:03.600 --> 0:07:05.840 you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of 0:07:06.520 --> 0:07:09.720 I mean, yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another. 0:07:10.080 --> 0:07:11.960 But why what is going on? 0:07:12.120 --> 0:07:14.040 And we watch these true crime stories all the time, 0:07:14.040 --> 0:07:16.200 and yes, Snapped is one of our favorites and has 0:07:16.240 --> 0:07:18.720 everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing 0:07:19.760 --> 0:07:22.400 somebody for the most part, how you get to that point? 0:07:22.400 --> 0:07:25.880 Why divorce is not an option for a lot of people. 0:07:26.440 --> 0:07:29.440 It's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:32.600 time of her messages to this inmate, she said that 0:07:32.640 --> 0:07:35.520 she and Aaron were going through problems in their marriage. 0:07:35.760 --> 0:07:39.000 Okay, let's call a marriage that's yes, show me a 0:07:39.000 --> 0:07:42.280 marriage that hasn't had problems. 0:07:41.880 --> 0:07:44.920 George Clooney, and didn't they say? 0:07:45.080 --> 0:07:45.560 I forgot? 0:07:45.600 --> 0:07:49.320 They never fight and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay. 0:07:49.920 --> 0:07:52.800 But she then also told the inmate she described herself 0:07:52.800 --> 0:07:55.800 as being lonely and so then she said she began 0:07:55.880 --> 0:07:58.960 connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was 0:07:59.040 --> 0:08:02.760 some sort of romance element to her connection with this inmate, 0:08:03.680 --> 0:08:06.520 but yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with his 0:08:06.600 --> 0:08:12.120 inmate talking about how she didn't feel connected to her 0:08:12.200 --> 0:08:15.880 husband to suddenly saying, hey, I'd like to murder my husband. 0:08:16.360 --> 0:08:19.640 That seems like a major leap, just. 0:08:19.600 --> 0:08:25.200 A short just one small step for miss Scotland's good way. 0:08:25.240 --> 0:08:27.080 I should say that is so concerning, But you're right, 0:08:27.120 --> 0:08:29.160 we do see this all the time in true true 0:08:29.200 --> 0:08:32.480 crime stories. Anyway, if she actually was a true crime fan, 0:08:33.040 --> 0:08:34.840 she should know that these never end. 0:08:34.920 --> 0:08:38.600 Well, you know, this is very that's a very good 0:08:38.840 --> 0:08:42.679 point there is. You don't learn when you watch true 0:08:42.679 --> 0:08:45.680 crime shows how to commit a murder or how to 0:08:45.679 --> 0:08:47.200 commit a crime, or how to get away with it. 0:08:47.200 --> 0:08:50.160 You learn you are not going to get away with it. 0:08:50.559 --> 0:08:54.080 You just are not in these steps she's leaving this 0:08:54.160 --> 0:08:56.760 kind of true. I don't know what was going on 0:08:56.800 --> 0:09:00.199 with her, what she was thinking, but this is I 0:09:00.240 --> 0:09:03.000 don't know, there's something I don't know. I miss something 0:09:03.000 --> 0:09:04.520 to the story. Yeah, she's going to jail. How long 0:09:04.520 --> 0:09:06.440 it's a thirty six to ninety months. 0:09:06.559 --> 0:09:06.959 Correct. 0:09:07.080 --> 0:09:09.240 In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was 0:09:09.240 --> 0:09:11.880 sentenced to thirty six to ninety months in prison. 0:09:11.960 --> 0:09:13.679 So what is that three years? 0:09:13.840 --> 0:09:14.840 Three years at least? 0:09:15.400 --> 0:09:19.199 Right? She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing 0:09:19.320 --> 0:09:22.480 to Aaron. She said, I'm so immensely sorry for the 0:09:22.520 --> 0:09:26.080 pain and anxiety I have caused you and the betrayal 0:09:26.320 --> 0:09:29.720 you undoubtedly and rightfully feel by my actions. She said 0:09:29.760 --> 0:09:33.640 that she's consumed with regret every day and is ashamed 0:09:33.679 --> 0:09:36.920 and disappointed with herself. I mean, thank goodness police did 0:09:36.960 --> 0:09:40.240 intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime 0:09:40.600 --> 0:09:44.480 are stories where they describe being ashamed and disappointed and 0:09:44.520 --> 0:09:47.600 consumed with regret after having had their loved one killed. 0:09:48.040 --> 0:09:51.280 So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the 0:09:51.280 --> 0:09:54.520 silver lining that this was found out ahead of time. 0:09:54.920 --> 0:09:58.240 And he spoke as well. I know what that hearing, 0:09:58.280 --> 0:10:01.920 but this, and he spoke on this idea. How can you? 0:10:02.120 --> 0:10:04.199 How can is he not looking over his shoulder the 0:10:04.240 --> 0:10:06.800 rest of his life now, even if he truly believes 0:10:06.800 --> 0:10:08.920 nobody is or his wife at least no more is 0:10:08.960 --> 0:10:11.079 trying to get this change? Is everything I could I 0:10:11.200 --> 0:10:15.160 think there's somebody out there who actually went through the 0:10:15.280 --> 0:10:20.120 motions of getting you killed. That that changes the time 0:10:20.160 --> 0:10:22.680 he spoke on that and how he has changed forever 0:10:22.720 --> 0:10:28.280 because of this. That's Look, it's disappointed. Look, marital problems 0:10:28.760 --> 0:10:34.760 are difficult enough. Divorce is hell. Now you add this 0:10:34.880 --> 0:10:39.080 other element to all of that hell already in a relationship. 0:10:39.120 --> 0:10:42.040 I can't imagine and have it play out literally on 0:10:42.080 --> 0:10:44.640 the television show that You're a star on why they 0:10:44.679 --> 0:10:47.880 make that choice. He probably had to okay it, but 0:10:47.920 --> 0:10:51.200 it was so public anyway, he probably just figured, you 0:10:51.240 --> 0:10:51.520 know what. 0:10:51.640 --> 0:10:53.920 He didn't have to have that scene. Though he didn't 0:10:53.960 --> 0:10:54.079 have it. 0:10:54.240 --> 0:10:56.080 It was a choice. It was a choice, so just one. 0:10:56.160 --> 0:10:57.800 I mean, maybe it is. This is part of just 0:10:57.840 --> 0:10:59.920 getting it out there. It's been talked about. I don't 0:11:00.200 --> 0:11:02.040 want to be a cynical is thinking oh, this is 0:11:02.080 --> 0:11:03.880 going to be a good promotional thing. I don't want 0:11:03.880 --> 0:11:05.719 to be that kind of cynical, even though it is 0:11:06.480 --> 0:11:09.160 it is a big thing. I don't want to say that. 0:11:09.480 --> 0:11:12.920 Maybe it was a choice that had more to do 0:11:13.160 --> 0:11:16.760 with closure, had more to do with keeping the public 0:11:16.800 --> 0:11:20.839 informed and letting them in. Obviously it's a full disclosure 0:11:21.080 --> 0:11:23.800 to where how this went down Like this is real, folks, 0:11:23.840 --> 0:11:26.120 So who knows why? I thought it was an interesting choice. 0:11:26.200 --> 0:11:27.080 Not sure what I would have done. 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:30.800 Yeah, well, Aaron Goodwin actually has been pretty open about it, 0:11:30.840 --> 0:11:34.160 has been speaking about it, and actually talked about it 0:11:34.240 --> 0:11:36.040 this week on his social media. We're going to go 0:11:36.120 --> 0:11:40.400 through their relationship real quickly, and it is pretty remarkable 0:11:40.440 --> 0:11:44.400 how recently they were seemingly in love to what Goodwin's 0:11:44.400 --> 0:11:48.320 response has been about the publicity surrounding this week's episode, 0:11:48.360 --> 0:12:00.720 and certainly what he's been going through. Back to this 0:12:00.800 --> 0:12:04.160 episode of Amy and TJ where we are talking about 0:12:04.559 --> 0:12:08.400 ghost Adventure star wo He has had a hell of 0:12:08.440 --> 0:12:10.320 a week, Aaron Goodwin, and he certainly had a hell 0:12:10.360 --> 0:12:13.800 of a year this week. In this latest episode of 0:12:13.880 --> 0:12:17.520 his hit show, we actually see the moment where he 0:12:17.600 --> 0:12:21.040 receives a phone call from police telling him that they 0:12:21.040 --> 0:12:26.280 are arresting his wife for plotting to have him murdered. 0:12:26.400 --> 0:12:29.640 And so, yes, this has all been going on this year. 0:12:30.080 --> 0:12:34.040 She pleaded guilty, she was sentenced, and you go back 0:12:34.240 --> 0:12:37.040 just a few years to the beginning of their relationship 0:12:37.400 --> 0:12:41.200 and the pair got married in August of twenty twenty two. 0:12:41.280 --> 0:12:44.880 So yeah, just three years ago at Disneyland, and that 0:12:45.000 --> 0:12:46.600 was a little bit later than they wanted. They had 0:12:46.600 --> 0:12:49.440 originally set their wedding for May of twenty twenty, and 0:12:49.480 --> 0:12:51.920 of course the pandemic took over, so they've been together 0:12:52.000 --> 0:12:55.200 for quite some time. But I guess she was really 0:12:55.240 --> 0:13:00.760 into the ghost adventure theme. They got actually engaged, or 0:13:00.760 --> 0:13:06.640 at least they took pictures of their celebration in Disneyland 0:13:07.280 --> 0:13:09.880 at the Haunted Mansion as part of their celebration, so 0:13:09.920 --> 0:13:11.960 they really leaned into the whole ghost thing there. 0:13:12.320 --> 0:13:14.960 That's not a starting off for Disneyland. That's probably not 0:13:15.000 --> 0:13:15.560 a good start. 0:13:15.720 --> 0:13:18.800 Yeah, and maybe at the Haunted Mansion. But he wrote 0:13:18.880 --> 0:13:21.960 it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times 0:13:21.960 --> 0:13:24.760 to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier. 0:13:25.480 --> 0:13:27.560 It's just so sad to think about what went wrong 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:28.960 in those three years. 0:13:30.120 --> 0:13:34.199 What went wrong. Nothing went wrong enough that murder seemed 0:13:34.200 --> 0:13:34.720 to be an option. 0:13:34.920 --> 0:13:36.480 Nothing could be justifiable enough. 0:13:36.600 --> 0:13:38.959 I just can't. And there's no accusation of him doing. 0:13:39.200 --> 0:13:44.600 Anything of any kind towards her emotionally, physically, or otherwise. 0:13:44.960 --> 0:13:48.480 Nothing like that, So I don't know what happens yes, 0:13:48.559 --> 0:13:50.840 relationship break down for all kinds of reasons. It's sad 0:13:50.880 --> 0:13:52.439 every time I see it. This is a sad one 0:13:52.480 --> 0:13:54.880 as well. And we never know what happens. And we've 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:57.520 learned this plenty, and we've experienced this plenty. You don't 0:13:57.600 --> 0:14:01.320 know what's going on in somebody else's life, relationship, marriage, 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:03.400 no matter what they're saying or showing to you on 0:14:03.440 --> 0:14:07.360 social media. Just please, man, give everybody a break. When 0:14:07.400 --> 0:14:09.520 they look like they're doing well, and when they don't 0:14:09.520 --> 0:14:11.480 look like they're doing well, you got to give people 0:14:11.520 --> 0:14:11.960 a break. 0:14:12.400 --> 0:14:13.679 It's such a good reminder. 0:14:13.720 --> 0:14:18.000 And even Aaron Goodwin himself went on Instagram this week 0:14:18.080 --> 0:14:22.120 and I loved what he put out there. It's another reminder. 0:14:22.160 --> 0:14:24.400 You know, we think celebrities are insulated, or that if 0:14:24.440 --> 0:14:26.960 people have money or success that somehow they don't feel 0:14:27.000 --> 0:14:30.000 the same things we all feel. And this is what 0:14:30.120 --> 0:14:33.160 he said because obviously he's being inundated by requests from 0:14:33.160 --> 0:14:36.040 people who want to talk to him after this week's episode, 0:14:36.600 --> 0:14:37.440 but he said this. 0:14:37.440 --> 0:14:39.920 To all the press out there messaging me. 0:14:40.480 --> 0:14:43.480 Thank you for all reaching out and being awesome, But 0:14:43.640 --> 0:14:47.240 unfortunately I can't talk about anything yet. I can tell 0:14:47.280 --> 0:14:50.400 you guys, I'm doing okay, but I would rather be honest. 0:14:50.920 --> 0:14:54.040 Just know I'm not doing good at all, and every 0:14:54.160 --> 0:14:57.920 day is worth worse with all I'm learning all the time. 0:14:58.280 --> 0:15:01.000 They say in time everything gets better, But I just 0:15:01.040 --> 0:15:03.120 want the divorce to be over so I can move 0:15:03.160 --> 0:15:06.440 on with my life. Honestly, I probably couldn't make it 0:15:06.480 --> 0:15:08.360 through an interview without being in tears. 0:15:08.680 --> 0:15:10.160 And I'm just not ready yet. 0:15:10.360 --> 0:15:14.000 This has been the worst year of my life. 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:17.360 I get that it was almost the way to just 0:15:17.440 --> 0:15:19.680 kind of everybody, give me a break, Come just be 0:15:19.720 --> 0:15:21.400 straight with you and get this over with and move on. 0:15:21.520 --> 0:15:24.920 I can imagine how he's being dated to talk about 0:15:25.000 --> 0:15:26.240 what right? 0:15:26.320 --> 0:15:27.200 How it feels. 0:15:28.280 --> 0:15:30.920 Yes, we work in an industry where interviews are a 0:15:30.920 --> 0:15:33.480 big deal. We love to have big gets. If I 0:15:33.520 --> 0:15:35.840 had the opportunity and say would you want to interview 0:15:35.880 --> 0:15:36.880 him or have a drink with. 0:15:36.880 --> 0:15:39.560 Him and say, yeah, I'll take the drink. Exactly, We're 0:15:39.600 --> 0:15:40.560 gonna sit down and talk to this guy. 0:15:40.680 --> 0:15:42.480 Yeah, what's he going to say? I mean, it's the 0:15:42.600 --> 0:15:45.400 ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved, the person who 0:15:45.400 --> 0:15:48.120 you devoted your life to. Isn't just not in love 0:15:48.160 --> 0:15:50.800 with you? Is trying to actively kill you, and actually 0:15:50.800 --> 0:15:53.880 the last text message asked if it was done Like 0:15:54.360 --> 0:15:57.560 that's really scary and it shakes your trust to your 0:15:57.560 --> 0:15:59.240 core of humans. 0:16:00.200 --> 0:16:03.000 You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's you say 0:16:03.120 --> 0:16:07.960 ultimate betrayal there, it's it's that we've seen crimes of passion, 0:16:08.240 --> 0:16:11.920 plenty of those. Somebody gets hot in a moment rage, right, 0:16:13.080 --> 0:16:16.480 she had time to rethink what she was doing and 0:16:16.520 --> 0:16:19.000 go this is a bad idea. There was a lot 0:16:19.040 --> 0:16:22.920 of steps involved in what she was doing, which I 0:16:23.160 --> 0:16:28.160 think does for a couple of things make this more 0:16:28.280 --> 0:16:32.480 difficult to understand what was going on. 0:16:32.920 --> 0:16:34.720 She's not just crazy, is she? 0:16:34.720 --> 0:16:38.560 She didn't just become all of a sudden some homicidal maniac. 0:16:38.960 --> 0:16:43.400 What happens to people to make them capable of this? 0:16:43.480 --> 0:16:46.960 Where they always capable of this? What happens and a 0:16:47.240 --> 0:16:52.680 normal person's life that turns them into a mister murderer 0:16:53.680 --> 0:16:54.360 plotting to. 0:16:54.560 --> 0:16:57.200 Cold blooded See this is this is thoughtful? 0:16:57.240 --> 0:17:00.000 This is this is I don't get it. 0:17:00.120 --> 0:17:01.720 The more you talk about it, the more I feel 0:17:01.760 --> 0:17:04.400 like thirty six months doesn't seem like enough, because. 0:17:04.119 --> 0:17:05.440 That's a little that's scary. 0:17:05.560 --> 0:17:07.880 I can't imagine knowing that someone who tried to kill 0:17:07.880 --> 0:17:10.639 me and actually thought they had and was okay with 0:17:10.720 --> 0:17:13.720 it would be out on the streets in three years. 0:17:14.040 --> 0:17:16.080 You know we've seen I know you remember this now, 0:17:16.119 --> 0:17:18.000 but I'm always taken when we see these stories on 0:17:18.040 --> 0:17:20.160 true crime. At the end, the person who the murder 0:17:20.160 --> 0:17:23.480 for higher plot. If the person didn't get killed, then 0:17:23.520 --> 0:17:27.840 the person has usually fairly lighter sentence than you would imagine. 0:17:27.960 --> 0:17:30.600 I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died, didn't 0:17:30.640 --> 0:17:31.439 actually kill me, but. 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:34.639 You wanted and thought they were dead, and you actually 0:17:34.720 --> 0:17:37.520 followed through to make sure it was done to me. 0:17:37.720 --> 0:17:41.120 That should be almost as much as murder itself. Why 0:17:41.160 --> 0:17:41.720 wouldn't it be. 0:17:41.960 --> 0:17:44.960 Why didn't this one get. 0:17:44.000 --> 0:17:46.120 They called her, she pleaded guilty. 0:17:47.240 --> 0:17:51.600 Why didn't Yes, they intercepted the text messages. They knew 0:17:51.600 --> 0:17:54.359 what was happening, so they were able to yes for 0:17:54.600 --> 0:17:55.000 the plot. 0:17:55.080 --> 0:17:59.000 But what if they hadn't exactly exactly were talking about 0:17:59.000 --> 0:18:01.720 this with the Atlanta Air thing. What if they hadn't 0:18:02.480 --> 0:18:05.359 gotten to him in time? It was just a matter, 0:18:05.520 --> 0:18:08.240 this was going to happen. People were going to die. 0:18:09.040 --> 0:18:12.399 Save a text message being picked up him. 0:18:13.720 --> 0:18:15.320 I don't know. I wonder what he is. 0:18:15.400 --> 0:18:17.600 I don't wonder if he's talked to her privately. I 0:18:17.600 --> 0:18:19.760 know he says some stuff to her in court. 0:18:20.280 --> 0:18:23.000 What could you ever possibly get past. 0:18:23.200 --> 0:18:25.159 You couldn't get past anything, but you would want to 0:18:25.200 --> 0:18:28.080 know why for some reason. I think all of us, 0:18:28.160 --> 0:18:30.160 deep down would want to know why. Even if there 0:18:30.280 --> 0:18:34.680 isn't a satiable answer. It just feels like you would 0:18:34.680 --> 0:18:35.440 still want to ask. 0:18:35.520 --> 0:18:38.120 No, it isn't the why we get in these true 0:18:38.119 --> 0:18:40.440 crime stories. The murder for hires at least seem to 0:18:40.440 --> 0:18:43.000 be all about money, not because this person made me 0:18:43.080 --> 0:18:45.520 mad or they did me wrong. It seems to be 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:47.840 always about money. I just want to get out of 0:18:47.880 --> 0:18:50.480 the relationship and don't. It's why it's so often women 0:18:50.520 --> 0:18:54.119 are murdering the guys you mean in. 0:18:54.160 --> 0:18:55.680 Murder for hires because they don't want to get their 0:18:55.720 --> 0:18:57.800 hands dirty, or they don't think they're physically capable. 0:18:58.480 --> 0:19:00.800 I think it's one of their Maybe it's both. 0:19:00.880 --> 0:19:03.119 Yes, so we should probably check this lady. She probably 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:07.880 has what a gambling debt, a shopping addiction, or she's 0:19:07.920 --> 0:19:08.600 a former nurse. 0:19:08.800 --> 0:19:10.960 Yeah, that's what we see in true crime. 0:19:11.000 --> 0:19:14.200 But unfortunately, this is a situation where you know what 0:19:14.240 --> 0:19:17.920 We wish the best for Aaron Goodwin. I can't even 0:19:18.119 --> 0:19:21.040 begin to imagine the healing that he is going to 0:19:21.040 --> 0:19:22.640 be having to go through, but it sounds like he's 0:19:22.640 --> 0:19:26.159 got a lot of support. He has a phenomenal career, 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:29.040 and we hope that he learns to trust again one 0:19:29.119 --> 0:19:32.560 day because not everybody, and most people are not like 0:19:32.600 --> 0:19:33.760 his ex wife Victoria. 0:19:33.920 --> 0:19:37.200 I applaud him for turning something that was a passion 0:19:37.440 --> 0:19:41.440 into something that's now going to the mainstream. He made 0:19:41.440 --> 0:19:43.520 it a hit. He had to go through this publicly. 0:19:43.600 --> 0:19:45.720 He is going to be okay. It doesn't feel like 0:19:45.760 --> 0:19:48.320 it now, but of course he's going to be in 0:19:48.320 --> 0:19:51.760 a better place. You know, my mom always say, a 0:19:51.800 --> 0:19:54.040 good thing you found out now instead of finding out 0:19:54.200 --> 0:19:55.119 a few years from now. 0:19:55.200 --> 0:19:56.800 Right he's getting this out of his life now. 0:19:56.840 --> 0:19:57.160 That true. 0:19:57.359 --> 0:20:02.040