Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.
Speaker 2: It's Friday, October twenty fourth, and this week there is
Speaker 2: life imitating art in the middle of making art. But
Speaker 2: if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures,
Speaker 2: this week's episode is actually really scary, as in real
Speaker 2: life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventure shows the
Speaker 2: moment when one of it stars, Aaron Goodman, receives a
Speaker 2: call from police while he's in the middle of filming
Speaker 2: this week's episode that's called Hollydale Asylum of Hell and TJ.
Speaker 2: You said you remember hearing about reading about this story
Speaker 2: as it happened earlier this year.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, this has been going on for a while.
Speaker 3: A lot of people will be familiar. But I mean
Speaker 3: a lot of people are into true crime these days.
Speaker 3: They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your
Speaker 3: I say, you're with all of us. Well, your favorite
Speaker 3: most intrigue and captivating episodes you can see is when
Speaker 3: there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind
Speaker 3: the scenes video, the cop videos. They're just intriguing stories.
Speaker 3: But we got a guy that now a lot of
Speaker 3: people are familiar with is caught up in this and yeah,
Speaker 3: this week we saw saw on video. I guess this
Speaker 3: is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the
Speaker 3: first time we're seeing it, that's right.
Speaker 2: So while Aaron was there in the middle of a
Speaker 2: filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then
Speaker 2: gets a call from hell literally and he says he
Speaker 2: will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost
Speaker 2: Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting
Speaker 2: and the history of this location, he's now finding out
Speaker 2: that something was going on in his own home that
Speaker 2: he had no idea what was happening. And we see
Speaker 2: the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house.
Speaker 2: He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they
Speaker 2: were arresting his wife in an alleged plot to kill him.
Speaker 4: What was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce.
Speaker 2: She just didn't want a divorce, and she actually asks
Speaker 2: we'll get into her text messages back and forth with
Speaker 2: she was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate
Speaker 2: in a Florida prison and she basically asked him, I
Speaker 2: a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather
Speaker 2: than divorce him. The answer is yes, and if you
Speaker 2: have to ask why would you ask an inmate?
Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already here. Again,
Speaker 3: you're going to go through the story there. But the
Speaker 3: case itself has for the most part been resolved. Yes,
Speaker 3: but it's back in the headlines this week because of
Speaker 3: this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they
Speaker 3: promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks
Speaker 3: ago or months ago that this was coming.
Speaker 4: But it threw me to see the headline that they
Speaker 4: kept us in there.
Speaker 1: That absolutely threw me as well.
Speaker 2: And I hadn't been keeping up with I'm familiar with
Speaker 2: this TV show And by the way, it's a hit
Speaker 2: TV series on Discovery Plus Ghost Adventures. It's been on
Speaker 2: the air since two thousand and eight, so for almost
Speaker 2: twenty years. And this is a team that researches the
Speaker 2: locations the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings,
Speaker 2: and then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is,
Speaker 2: this historically haunted place, and they use equipment overnight to
Speaker 2: try and capture evidence like audio recordings, some sort of
Speaker 2: visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture
Speaker 2: or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing
Speaker 2: this successfully and so many people love Aaron Goodwin and
Speaker 2: love the show, and we're just appalled to hear that
Speaker 2: this could have been happening. But this is what viewers
Speaker 2: saw this week, and if you haven't seen it, definitely
Speaker 2: worth a tune in. But literally they're filming and Goodwin says, dude,
Speaker 2: and then says, bro, the police ri at my house.
Speaker 2: He goes outside to take the call and they freeze
Speaker 2: the video and the host, Zach Began, says, at this point,
Speaker 2: we will will not be showing any further footage. But
Speaker 2: it is at this moment that Aaron receives a call
Speaker 2: from the police that his wife has been arrested and
Speaker 2: charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman
Speaker 2: to have Aarin killed. That is an someone who deals
Speaker 2: with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the
Speaker 2: most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it was in the moment is his
Speaker 3: head was someone not that you're ever being in the
Speaker 3: right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given
Speaker 3: where he was and what he was going through, cameras
Speaker 3: or rolling and looking at him and that's not I mean,
Speaker 3: I don't know how you could get that message and
Speaker 3: not be surprised. I don't know you're ever going to
Speaker 3: get it. Say yeah, this reads, it's all the writing
Speaker 3: on the wall. Things weren't going well, and I'm now
Speaker 3: the person. You've shared how long they've been married.
Speaker 1: They got married in twenty twenty.
Speaker 3: Two, Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long
Speaker 3: they've been together. But still you're somebody you decide you're
Speaker 3: going to marry. You don't imagine that person's going to
Speaker 3: try kill you.
Speaker 2: No, And it's shocking to know, maybe even sometimes that
Speaker 2: someone wants to divorce you or has fallen out of
Speaker 2: love with you.
Speaker 1: That's shocking enough.
Speaker 2: But to go ahead and skip those steps and go
Speaker 2: straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was
Speaker 2: arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring
Speaker 2: to commit murder. And they found They say they uncovered
Speaker 2: the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this
Speaker 2: Florida inmate. His name is Grant a Motto, and she said,
Speaker 2: I want to leave my marriage.
Speaker 1: I want to.
Speaker 2: Plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's
Speaker 2: the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police
Speaker 2: are reading about information she has given this inmate about
Speaker 2: where he is filming, like his filming schedule. Within the messages,
Speaker 2: she actually wrote this, he's asleep right now in the
Speaker 2: hotel room. I need to know what's going on. Can
Speaker 2: I get an update?
Speaker 1: Was it done?
Speaker 4: Okay? And how did this work? The inmate?
Speaker 3: She's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then
Speaker 3: finding somebody for her right, so correct.
Speaker 4: I don't know how she thought.
Speaker 3: And again she's communicating not on some signal app you know,
Speaker 3: the one that used the Pentagon or some other secure channel.
Speaker 3: She's just Facebook messaging this guy.
Speaker 4: Yes, anything, nobody's going.
Speaker 1: To find that, okay.
Speaker 2: And you want to know how she even found this inmate?
Speaker 3: She was watching TV like the rest of us, watching
Speaker 3: some true crime show and not he looks like a
Speaker 3: good one. I never thought of using it as a
Speaker 3: recruiting tool, but she apparently did.
Speaker 2: That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that, yes,
Speaker 2: she actually admitted to detectives while she was being interviewed
Speaker 2: before her arrest that she.
Speaker 1: Had become aware of the Florida inmate.
Speaker 2: They were confronting her with, hey, we know you've been
Speaker 2: communicating with his inmate. How did you meet him through
Speaker 2: a true crime documentary? And began writing to him.
Speaker 4: How much of this I mean? I hear that, I
Speaker 4: mean this.
Speaker 3: Some of the details are unbelievable. Criminals aren't smart. But
Speaker 3: you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of
Speaker 3: I mean, yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another.
Speaker 4: But why what is going on?
Speaker 3: And we watch these true crime stories all the time,
Speaker 3: and yes, Snapped is one of our favorites and has
Speaker 3: everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing
Speaker 3: somebody for the most part, how you get to that point?
Speaker 3: Why divorce is not an option for a lot of people.
Speaker 2: It's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the
Speaker 2: time of her messages to this inmate, she said that
Speaker 2: she and Aaron were going through problems in their marriage.
Speaker 1: Okay, let's call a marriage that's yes, show me a
Speaker 1: marriage that hasn't had problems.
Speaker 4: George Clooney, and didn't they say?
Speaker 2: I forgot?
Speaker 1: They never fight and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay.
Speaker 2: But she then also told the inmate she described herself
Speaker 2: as being lonely and so then she said she began
Speaker 2: connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was
Speaker 2: some sort of romance element to her connection with this inmate,
Speaker 2: but yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with his
Speaker 2: inmate talking about how she didn't feel connected to her
Speaker 2: husband to suddenly saying, hey, I'd like to murder my husband.
Speaker 1: That seems like a major leap, just.
Speaker 3: A short just one small step for miss Scotland's good way.
Speaker 2: I should say that is so concerning, But you're right,
Speaker 2: we do see this all the time in true true
Speaker 2: crime stories. Anyway, if she actually was a true crime fan,
Speaker 2: she should know that these never end.
Speaker 3: Well, you know, this is very that's a very good
Speaker 3: point there is. You don't learn when you watch true
Speaker 3: crime shows how to commit a murder or how to
Speaker 3: commit a crime, or how to get away with it.
Speaker 3: You learn you are not going to get away with it.
Speaker 3: You just are not in these steps she's leaving this
Speaker 3: kind of true. I don't know what was going on
Speaker 3: with her, what she was thinking, but this is I
Speaker 3: don't know, there's something I don't know. I miss something
Speaker 3: to the story. Yeah, she's going to jail. How long
Speaker 3: it's a thirty six to ninety months.
Speaker 4: Correct.
Speaker 2: In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was
Speaker 2: sentenced to thirty six to ninety months in prison.
Speaker 4: So what is that three years?
Speaker 1: Three years at least?
Speaker 2: Right? She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing
Speaker 2: to Aaron. She said, I'm so immensely sorry for the
Speaker 2: pain and anxiety I have caused you and the betrayal
Speaker 2: you undoubtedly and rightfully feel by my actions. She said
Speaker 2: that she's consumed with regret every day and is ashamed
Speaker 2: and disappointed with herself. I mean, thank goodness police did
Speaker 2: intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime
Speaker 2: are stories where they describe being ashamed and disappointed and
Speaker 2: consumed with regret after having had their loved one killed.
Speaker 2: So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the
Speaker 2: silver lining that this was found out ahead of time.
Speaker 3: And he spoke as well. I know what that hearing,
Speaker 3: but this, and he spoke on this idea. How can you?
Speaker 3: How can is he not looking over his shoulder the
Speaker 3: rest of his life now, even if he truly believes
Speaker 3: nobody is or his wife at least no more is
Speaker 3: trying to get this change? Is everything I could I
Speaker 3: think there's somebody out there who actually went through the
Speaker 3: motions of getting you killed. That that changes the time
Speaker 3: he spoke on that and how he has changed forever
Speaker 3: because of this. That's Look, it's disappointed. Look, marital problems
Speaker 3: are difficult enough. Divorce is hell. Now you add this
Speaker 3: other element to all of that hell already in a relationship.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine and have it play out literally on
Speaker 2: the television show that You're a star on why they
Speaker 2: make that choice. He probably had to okay it, but
Speaker 2: it was so public anyway, he probably just figured, you
Speaker 2: know what.
Speaker 4: He didn't have to have that scene. Though he didn't
Speaker 4: have it.
Speaker 1: It was a choice. It was a choice, so just one.
Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it is. This is part of just
Speaker 3: getting it out there. It's been talked about. I don't
Speaker 3: want to be a cynical is thinking oh, this is
Speaker 3: going to be a good promotional thing. I don't want
Speaker 3: to be that kind of cynical, even though it is
Speaker 3: it is a big thing. I don't want to say that.
Speaker 3: Maybe it was a choice that had more to do
Speaker 3: with closure, had more to do with keeping the public
Speaker 3: informed and letting them in. Obviously it's a full disclosure
Speaker 3: to where how this went down Like this is real, folks,
Speaker 3: So who knows why? I thought it was an interesting choice.
Speaker 3: Not sure what I would have done.
Speaker 2: Yeah, well, Aaron Goodwin actually has been pretty open about it,
Speaker 2: has been speaking about it, and actually talked about it
Speaker 2: this week on his social media. We're going to go
Speaker 2: through their relationship real quickly, and it is pretty remarkable
Speaker 2: how recently they were seemingly in love to what Goodwin's
Speaker 2: response has been about the publicity surrounding this week's episode,
Speaker 2: and certainly what he's been going through. Back to this
Speaker 2: episode of Amy and TJ where we are talking about
Speaker 2: ghost Adventure star wo He has had a hell of
Speaker 2: a week, Aaron Goodwin, and he certainly had a hell
Speaker 2: of a year this week. In this latest episode of
Speaker 2: his hit show, we actually see the moment where he
Speaker 2: receives a phone call from police telling him that they
Speaker 2: are arresting his wife for plotting to have him murdered.
Speaker 2: And so, yes, this has all been going on this year.
Speaker 2: She pleaded guilty, she was sentenced, and you go back
Speaker 2: just a few years to the beginning of their relationship
Speaker 2: and the pair got married in August of twenty twenty two.
Speaker 2: So yeah, just three years ago at Disneyland, and that
Speaker 2: was a little bit later than they wanted. They had
Speaker 2: originally set their wedding for May of twenty twenty, and
Speaker 2: of course the pandemic took over, so they've been together
Speaker 2: for quite some time. But I guess she was really
Speaker 2: into the ghost adventure theme. They got actually engaged, or
Speaker 2: at least they took pictures of their celebration in Disneyland
Speaker 2: at the Haunted Mansion as part of their celebration, so
Speaker 2: they really leaned into the whole ghost thing there.
Speaker 3: That's not a starting off for Disneyland. That's probably not
Speaker 3: a good start.
Speaker 2: Yeah, and maybe at the Haunted Mansion. But he wrote
Speaker 2: it finally happened. We got married. After postponing many times
Speaker 2: to COVID, we got our day. I couldn't be happier.
Speaker 2: It's just so sad to think about what went wrong
Speaker 2: in those three years.
Speaker 4: What went wrong. Nothing went wrong enough that murder seemed
Speaker 4: to be an option.
Speaker 1: Nothing could be justifiable enough.
Speaker 4: I just can't. And there's no accusation of him doing.
Speaker 3: Anything of any kind towards her emotionally, physically, or otherwise.
Speaker 3: Nothing like that, So I don't know what happens yes,
Speaker 3: relationship break down for all kinds of reasons. It's sad
Speaker 3: every time I see it. This is a sad one
Speaker 3: as well. And we never know what happens. And we've
Speaker 3: learned this plenty, and we've experienced this plenty. You don't
Speaker 3: know what's going on in somebody else's life, relationship, marriage,
Speaker 3: no matter what they're saying or showing to you on
Speaker 3: social media. Just please, man, give everybody a break. When
Speaker 3: they look like they're doing well, and when they don't
Speaker 3: look like they're doing well, you got to give people
Speaker 3: a break.
Speaker 1: It's such a good reminder.
Speaker 2: And even Aaron Goodwin himself went on Instagram this week
Speaker 2: and I loved what he put out there. It's another reminder.
Speaker 2: You know, we think celebrities are insulated, or that if
Speaker 2: people have money or success that somehow they don't feel
Speaker 2: the same things we all feel. And this is what
Speaker 2: he said because obviously he's being inundated by requests from
Speaker 2: people who want to talk to him after this week's episode,
Speaker 2: but he said this.
Speaker 1: To all the press out there messaging me.
Speaker 2: Thank you for all reaching out and being awesome, But
Speaker 2: unfortunately I can't talk about anything yet. I can tell
Speaker 2: you guys, I'm doing okay, but I would rather be honest.
Speaker 2: Just know I'm not doing good at all, and every
Speaker 2: day is worth worse with all I'm learning all the time.
Speaker 2: They say in time everything gets better, But I just
Speaker 2: want the divorce to be over so I can move
Speaker 2: on with my life. Honestly, I probably couldn't make it
Speaker 2: through an interview without being in tears.
Speaker 1: And I'm just not ready yet.
Speaker 2: This has been the worst year of my life.
Speaker 3: I get that it was almost the way to just
Speaker 3: kind of everybody, give me a break, Come just be
Speaker 3: straight with you and get this over with and move on.
Speaker 3: I can imagine how he's being dated to talk about
Speaker 3: what right?
Speaker 1: How it feels.
Speaker 3: Yes, we work in an industry where interviews are a
Speaker 3: big deal. We love to have big gets. If I
Speaker 3: had the opportunity and say would you want to interview
Speaker 3: him or have a drink with.
Speaker 4: Him and say, yeah, I'll take the drink. Exactly, We're
Speaker 4: gonna sit down and talk to this guy.
Speaker 2: Yeah, what's he going to say? I mean, it's the
Speaker 2: ultimate betrayal. The person that you loved, the person who
Speaker 2: you devoted your life to. Isn't just not in love
Speaker 2: with you? Is trying to actively kill you, and actually
Speaker 2: the last text message asked if it was done Like
Speaker 2: that's really scary and it shakes your trust to your
Speaker 2: core of humans.
Speaker 3: You know, there's a lot. I mean, there's you say
Speaker 3: ultimate betrayal there, it's it's that we've seen crimes of passion,
Speaker 3: plenty of those. Somebody gets hot in a moment rage, right,
Speaker 3: she had time to rethink what she was doing and
Speaker 3: go this is a bad idea. There was a lot
Speaker 3: of steps involved in what she was doing, which I
Speaker 3: think does for a couple of things make this more
Speaker 3: difficult to understand what was going on.
Speaker 4: She's not just crazy, is she?
Speaker 3: She didn't just become all of a sudden some homicidal maniac.
Speaker 3: What happens to people to make them capable of this?
Speaker 3: Where they always capable of this? What happens and a
Speaker 3: normal person's life that turns them into a mister murderer
Speaker 3: plotting to.
Speaker 1: Cold blooded See this is this is thoughtful?
Speaker 4: This is this is I don't get it.
Speaker 2: The more you talk about it, the more I feel
Speaker 2: like thirty six months doesn't seem like enough, because.
Speaker 1: That's a little that's scary.
Speaker 2: I can't imagine knowing that someone who tried to kill
Speaker 2: me and actually thought they had and was okay with
Speaker 2: it would be out on the streets in three years.
Speaker 3: You know we've seen I know you remember this now,
Speaker 3: but I'm always taken when we see these stories on
Speaker 3: true crime. At the end, the person who the murder
Speaker 3: for higher plot. If the person didn't get killed, then
Speaker 3: the person has usually fairly lighter sentence than you would imagine.
Speaker 3: I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died, didn't
Speaker 3: actually kill me, but.
Speaker 2: You wanted and thought they were dead, and you actually
Speaker 2: followed through to make sure it was done to me.
Speaker 2: That should be almost as much as murder itself. Why
Speaker 2: wouldn't it be.
Speaker 4: Why didn't this one get.
Speaker 1: They called her, she pleaded guilty.
Speaker 2: Why didn't Yes, they intercepted the text messages. They knew
Speaker 2: what was happening, so they were able to yes for
Speaker 2: the plot.
Speaker 3: But what if they hadn't exactly exactly were talking about
Speaker 3: this with the Atlanta Air thing. What if they hadn't
Speaker 3: gotten to him in time? It was just a matter,
Speaker 3: this was going to happen. People were going to die.
Speaker 3: Save a text message being picked up him.
Speaker 4: I don't know. I wonder what he is.
Speaker 3: I don't wonder if he's talked to her privately. I
Speaker 3: know he says some stuff to her in court.
Speaker 4: What could you ever possibly get past.
Speaker 2: You couldn't get past anything, but you would want to
Speaker 2: know why for some reason. I think all of us,
Speaker 2: deep down would want to know why. Even if there
Speaker 2: isn't a satiable answer. It just feels like you would
Speaker 2: still want to ask.
Speaker 3: No, it isn't the why we get in these true
Speaker 3: crime stories. The murder for hires at least seem to
Speaker 3: be all about money, not because this person made me
Speaker 3: mad or they did me wrong. It seems to be
Speaker 3: always about money. I just want to get out of
Speaker 3: the relationship and don't. It's why it's so often women
Speaker 3: are murdering the guys you mean in.
Speaker 2: Murder for hires because they don't want to get their
Speaker 2: hands dirty, or they don't think they're physically capable.
Speaker 1: I think it's one of their Maybe it's both.
Speaker 3: Yes, so we should probably check this lady. She probably
Speaker 3: has what a gambling debt, a shopping addiction, or she's
Speaker 3: a former nurse.
Speaker 1: Yeah, that's what we see in true crime.
Speaker 2: But unfortunately, this is a situation where you know what
Speaker 2: We wish the best for Aaron Goodwin. I can't even
Speaker 2: begin to imagine the healing that he is going to
Speaker 2: be having to go through, but it sounds like he's
Speaker 2: got a lot of support. He has a phenomenal career,
Speaker 2: and we hope that he learns to trust again one
Speaker 2: day because not everybody, and most people are not like
Speaker 2: his ex wife Victoria.
Speaker 3: I applaud him for turning something that was a passion
Speaker 3: into something that's now going to the mainstream. He made
Speaker 3: it a hit. He had to go through this publicly.
Speaker 3: He is going to be okay. It doesn't feel like
Speaker 3: it now, but of course he's going to be in
Speaker 3: a better place. You know, my mom always say, a
Speaker 3: good thing you found out now instead of finding out
Speaker 3: a few years from now.
Speaker 4: Right he's getting this out of his life now.
Speaker 1: That true.
Speaker 3: One before he's divorced, two before he's It's a blessing.
Speaker 3: This is an absolute blessing that he is alive and
Speaker 3: able to suffer right now.
Speaker 4: Congratulations.
Speaker 3: I know you don't want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron,
Speaker 3: but my man, we are so happy you are alive and.
Speaker 4: Able to be miserable right now. Because the alternative is
Speaker 4: something else.
Speaker 1: That's a really good way to end this episode. With that, everyone,
Speaker 1: thank you for listening. I'm Ami Roboc alongside TJ Holmes.
Speaker 1: We'll talk to you soon.