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Speaker 1: Welcome everyone to this edition of Amy and TJ.

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Speaker 2: It's Friday, October twenty fourth, and this week there is

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Speaker 2: life imitating art in the middle of making art. But

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Speaker 2: if you are a fan of the show Ghost Adventures,

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Speaker 2: this week's episode is actually really scary, as in real

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Speaker 2: life scary. The latest episode of Ghost Adventure shows the

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Speaker 2: moment when one of it stars, Aaron Goodman, receives a

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Speaker 2: call from police while he's in the middle of filming

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Speaker 2: this week's episode that's called Hollydale Asylum of Hell and TJ.

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Speaker 2: You said you remember hearing about reading about this story

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Speaker 2: as it happened earlier this year.

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Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, this has been going on for a while.

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Speaker 3: A lot of people will be familiar. But I mean

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Speaker 3: a lot of people are into true crime these days.

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Speaker 3: They're all over the place. And frankly, one of your

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Speaker 3: I say, you're with all of us. Well, your favorite

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Speaker 3: most intrigue and captivating episodes you can see is when

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Speaker 3: there's a murder for hire plot and there's that behind

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Speaker 3: the scenes video, the cop videos. They're just intriguing stories.

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Speaker 3: But we got a guy that now a lot of

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Speaker 3: people are familiar with is caught up in this and yeah,

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Speaker 3: this week we saw saw on video. I guess this

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Speaker 3: is an extra little nugget in detail, but it's the

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Speaker 3: first time we're seeing it, that's right.

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Speaker 2: So while Aaron was there in the middle of a

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Speaker 2: filming of a haunted place, a haunted asylum, he then

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Speaker 2: gets a call from hell literally and he says he

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Speaker 2: will not be watching this week's newest episode of Ghost

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Speaker 2: Adventures because, yes, while his team was researching the haunting

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Speaker 2: and the history of this location, he's now finding out

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Speaker 2: that something was going on in his own home that

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Speaker 2: he had no idea what was happening. And we see

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Speaker 2: the moment when Goodwin learns that police are at his house.

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Speaker 2: He's actually getting a FaceTime call from police because they

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Speaker 2: were arresting his wife in an alleged plot to kill him.

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Speaker 4: What was the motive? She just didn't want a divorce.

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Speaker 2: She just didn't want a divorce, and she actually asks

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Speaker 2: we'll get into her text messages back and forth with

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Speaker 2: she was actually conversing with and communicating with an inmate

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Speaker 2: in a Florida prison and she basically asked him, I

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Speaker 2: a bad person for wanting to kill my husband rather

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Speaker 2: than divorce him. The answer is yes, and if you

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Speaker 2: have to ask why would you ask an inmate?

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Speaker 3: Yeah, some of those details are bizarre. Again, she's already here. Again,

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Speaker 3: you're going to go through the story there. But the

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Speaker 3: case itself has for the most part been resolved. Yes,

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Speaker 3: but it's back in the headlines this week because of

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Speaker 3: this new episode. I mean, I don't know if they

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Speaker 3: promoted it, and I didn't know if we knew weeks

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Speaker 3: ago or months ago that this was coming.

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Speaker 4: But it threw me to see the headline that they

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Speaker 4: kept us in there.

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Speaker 1: That absolutely threw me as well.

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Speaker 2: And I hadn't been keeping up with I'm familiar with

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Speaker 2: this TV show And by the way, it's a hit

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Speaker 2: TV series on Discovery Plus Ghost Adventures. It's been on

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Speaker 2: the air since two thousand and eight, so for almost

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Speaker 2: twenty years. And this is a team that researches the

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Speaker 2: locations the history of local ghost stories or alleged hauntings,

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Speaker 2: and then they lock themselves inside whatever that location is,

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Speaker 2: this historically haunted place, and they use equipment overnight to

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Speaker 2: try and capture evidence like audio recordings, some sort of

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Speaker 2: visual phenomenon. They use technical equipment to try and capture

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Speaker 2: or show ghosts. So these are folks who've been doing

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Speaker 2: this successfully and so many people love Aaron Goodwin and

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Speaker 2: love the show, and we're just appalled to hear that

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Speaker 2: this could have been happening. But this is what viewers

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Speaker 2: worth a tune in. But literally they're filming and Goodwin says, dude,

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Speaker 2: and then says, bro, the police ri at my house.

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Speaker 2: He goes outside to take the call and they freeze

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Speaker 2: the video and the host, Zach Began, says, at this point,

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Speaker 2: we will will not be showing any further footage. But

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Speaker 2: it is at this moment that Aaron receives a call

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Speaker 2: from the police that his wife has been arrested and

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Speaker 2: charged with conspiracy to commit murder by hiring a hitman

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Speaker 2: to have Aarin killed. That is an someone who deals

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Speaker 2: with the unimaginable and the supernatural. That probably was the

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Speaker 2: most surreal thing he could have ever experienced in his life.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, and again it was in the moment is his

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Speaker 3: head was someone not that you're ever being in the

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Speaker 3: right headspace to receive that kind of news, but given

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Speaker 3: I don't know how you could get that message and

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Speaker 3: on the wall. Things weren't going well, and I'm now

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Speaker 3: the person. You've shared how long they've been married.

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Speaker 1: They got married in twenty twenty.

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Speaker 3: Two, Okay, so not that long. Don't know how long

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Speaker 3: they've been together. But still you're somebody you decide you're

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Speaker 2: No, And it's shocking to know, maybe even sometimes that

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Speaker 1: That's shocking enough.

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Speaker 2: But to go ahead and skip those steps and go

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Speaker 2: straight to murder is fairly unthinkable. But yes, Victoria was

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Speaker 2: arrested that day on solicitation to commit murder and conspiring

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Speaker 2: the plot because of texts and Facebook messages with this

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Speaker 2: Florida inmate. His name is Grant a Motto, and she said,

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Speaker 1: I want to.

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Speaker 2: Plan an end to Aaron's existence. And so then here's

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Speaker 2: the really chilling part. As he's standing there filming, police

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Speaker 2: where he is filming, like his filming schedule. Within the messages,

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Speaker 2: she actually wrote this, he's asleep right now in the

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Speaker 1: Was it done?

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Speaker 4: Okay? And how did this work? The inmate?

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Speaker 3: She's communicating with somebody who's in prison, who is then

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Speaker 3: finding somebody for her right, so correct.

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Speaker 4: I don't know how she thought.

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Speaker 3: And again she's communicating not on some signal app you know,

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Speaker 3: She's just Facebook messaging this guy.

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Speaker 4: Yes, anything, nobody's going.

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Speaker 1: To find that, okay.

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Speaker 2: And you want to know how she even found this inmate?

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Speaker 3: She was watching TV like the rest of us, watching

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Speaker 3: good one. I never thought of using it as a

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Speaker 2: That was a jaw dropping detail for me to read that, yes,

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Speaker 1: Had become aware of the Florida inmate.

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Speaker 2: They were confronting her with, hey, we know you've been

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Speaker 4: How much of this I mean? I hear that, I

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Speaker 3: Some of the details are unbelievable. Criminals aren't smart. But

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Speaker 3: you just wonder how somebody gets to this point of

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Speaker 3: I mean, yes, desperation is one thing, stupidity is another.

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Speaker 4: But why what is going on?

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Speaker 3: And we watch these true crime stories all the time,

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Speaker 3: and yes, Snapped is one of our favorites and has

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Speaker 3: everything to do with one spouse killing another woman killing

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Speaker 3: somebody for the most part, how you get to that point?

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Speaker 3: Why divorce is not an option for a lot of people.

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Speaker 2: It's bizarre to me though, because she explained at the

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Speaker 1: Okay, let's call a marriage that's yes, show me a

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Speaker 4: George Clooney, and didn't they say?

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Speaker 1: They never fight and they live at Lake Cuomo. Okay.

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Speaker 2: But she then also told the inmate she described herself

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Speaker 2: connecting with him. So I'm not sure if there was

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Speaker 2: but yeah, she pretty quickly went from connecting with his

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Speaker 1: That seems like a major leap, just.

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Speaker 3: A short just one small step for miss Scotland's good way.

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Speaker 2: I should say that is so concerning, But you're right,

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Speaker 2: we do see this all the time in true true

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Speaker 3: Well, you know, this is very that's a very good

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Speaker 3: point there is. You don't learn when you watch true

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Speaker 3: You learn you are not going to get away with it.

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Speaker 3: You just are not in these steps she's leaving this

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Speaker 3: don't know, there's something I don't know. I miss something

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Speaker 3: to the story. Yeah, she's going to jail. How long

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Speaker 3: it's a thirty six to ninety months.

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Speaker 4: Correct.

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Speaker 2: In June of this year, she pleaded guilty. She was

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Speaker 4: So what is that three years?

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Speaker 2: Right? She did read a statement during her hearing apologizing

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Speaker 2: intercept these messages. The stories we see on true crime

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Speaker 2: So at least that didn't happen. I mean, that's the

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Speaker 3: And he spoke as well. I know what that hearing,

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Speaker 3: How can is he not looking over his shoulder the

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Speaker 3: trying to get this change? Is everything I could I

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Speaker 3: he spoke on that and how he has changed forever

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Speaker 3: because of this. That's Look, it's disappointed. Look, marital problems

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Speaker 3: are difficult enough. Divorce is hell. Now you add this

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Speaker 3: other element to all of that hell already in a relationship.

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Speaker 2: I can't imagine and have it play out literally on

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Speaker 2: the television show that You're a star on why they

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Speaker 2: it was so public anyway, he probably just figured, you

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Speaker 4: He didn't have to have that scene. Though he didn't

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Speaker 1: It was a choice. It was a choice, so just one.

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Speaker 3: I mean, maybe it is. This is part of just

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Speaker 3: I guess these are statutes and laws. Nobody died, didn't

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Speaker 3: I know you don't want to hear that necessarily right now, Aaron,

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Speaker 1: thank you for listening. I'm Ami Roboc alongside TJ Holmes.

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