1 00:00:03,120 --> 00:00:06,519 Speaker 1: You're listening to Part Time Genius, the production of Kaleidoscope 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: and iHeartRadio. Guess what will? 3 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:13,280 Speaker 2: What's that mango? 4 00:00:13,560 --> 00:00:16,360 Speaker 1: Do you know that NASA Mission Control actually has its 5 00:00:16,440 --> 00:00:17,680 Speaker 1: own official candy? 6 00:00:18,440 --> 00:00:21,000 Speaker 2: And is I'm guessing the ice cream, like the astronaut 7 00:00:21,040 --> 00:00:23,040 Speaker 2: ice cream doesn't count? Is that right? 8 00:00:23,400 --> 00:00:25,520 Speaker 1: You know? I think no one wants that stop, so 9 00:00:26,120 --> 00:00:30,560 Speaker 1: that's right, You're right, sadly. But apparently the big board 10 00:00:30,640 --> 00:00:33,559 Speaker 1: where you see all the scientists sitting at, like you know, 11 00:00:33,600 --> 00:00:35,199 Speaker 1: the one where they're watching to see if anyone's going 12 00:00:35,280 --> 00:00:37,919 Speaker 1: to call in with a problem, that's called the console 13 00:00:38,080 --> 00:00:41,839 Speaker 1: and the quote console candy of choice is the atomic 14 00:00:41,920 --> 00:00:45,440 Speaker 1: fireball nice you know, is also the official candy of 15 00:00:45,440 --> 00:00:48,400 Speaker 1: Part Time Genius. Now, NASA has embraced the candy for 16 00:00:48,440 --> 00:00:50,800 Speaker 1: a little longer than our show, And I just assumed 17 00:00:50,800 --> 00:00:53,320 Speaker 1: it made sense because it's science y and nerdy and 18 00:00:53,400 --> 00:00:55,800 Speaker 1: it kind of feels like, you know, the flames of 19 00:00:55,840 --> 00:00:59,400 Speaker 1: a blast off, But that actually isn't why. There was 20 00:00:59,440 --> 00:01:02,400 Speaker 1: apparently an an admin assistant named Karen who used to 21 00:01:02,440 --> 00:01:05,080 Speaker 1: make copies, and when she'd drop off papers to the 22 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,880 Speaker 1: folks working in the Console and Mission Control, she'd drop 23 00:01:07,959 --> 00:01:10,880 Speaker 1: off an atomic fireball with the copies as kind of 24 00:01:10,880 --> 00:01:15,200 Speaker 1: this little treat, and the scientists found it really helpful 25 00:01:15,240 --> 00:01:17,959 Speaker 1: for that midnight to seven am shift when it kind 26 00:01:17,959 --> 00:01:21,560 Speaker 1: of added a little extra pep to their otherwise sleepy stuffs. 27 00:01:21,600 --> 00:01:25,000 Speaker 1: And that's how the atomic fireball became this permanent fixture 28 00:01:25,040 --> 00:01:28,399 Speaker 1: of NASA and Mission control. They actually began ordering boxes 29 00:01:28,400 --> 00:01:31,640 Speaker 1: of the candy to the office starting in nineteen eighty nine. 30 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:34,520 Speaker 1: That is just one of nine spicy facts for all 31 00:01:34,560 --> 00:01:37,720 Speaker 1: of you about atomic fireballs. I can't wait to dig in. 32 00:01:58,640 --> 00:02:01,240 Speaker 2: Hey, their podcast listeners, welcome a part time genius. I'm 33 00:02:01,280 --> 00:02:03,600 Speaker 2: Will Pearson and as always, I've got my good friend 34 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:05,880 Speaker 2: mangesh I ticket out here with me and on the 35 00:02:05,920 --> 00:02:08,760 Speaker 2: other side of the soundproof glass lining up a whole 36 00:02:08,800 --> 00:02:12,799 Speaker 2: bunch of different types of milk. He's got almond milk, 37 00:02:13,000 --> 00:02:16,200 Speaker 2: oat and milk two percent whole. Also got a little 38 00:02:16,240 --> 00:02:18,880 Speaker 2: soy milk over there. He was waiting to cool our 39 00:02:18,919 --> 00:02:21,080 Speaker 2: mouths off in case we eat too many fireballs for 40 00:02:21,120 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 2: this episode. That is our very thoughtful pal, Dylan Fagan. 41 00:02:24,919 --> 00:02:27,040 Speaker 1: He is just so considered. I am sorry that he 42 00:02:27,040 --> 00:02:30,079 Speaker 1: doesn't have any chocolate milk or any crazy straws. For us, 43 00:02:30,200 --> 00:02:34,200 Speaker 1: but I do like that he's taking the initiative, all right. 44 00:02:34,240 --> 00:02:37,120 Speaker 2: Mega, So we've obviously been talking about atomic fireballs a 45 00:02:37,160 --> 00:02:39,560 Speaker 2: lot recently. So when we started the show, we had 46 00:02:39,560 --> 00:02:42,160 Speaker 2: a little debate about whether the official candy of Part 47 00:02:42,160 --> 00:02:46,000 Speaker 2: Time Genius was going to be Smarties or Nerds. I 48 00:02:46,040 --> 00:02:48,600 Speaker 2: was team Smarties, you were team Nerds, and it got 49 00:02:48,639 --> 00:02:52,000 Speaker 2: pretty heated, unfortunately, and we had to just sort of 50 00:02:52,040 --> 00:02:54,600 Speaker 2: put that conversation aside for a little bit, and then 51 00:02:54,840 --> 00:02:58,639 Speaker 2: just this year we decided to revisit the conversation. We've 52 00:02:58,639 --> 00:03:01,320 Speaker 2: both grown a lot as people, I think, and it 53 00:03:01,360 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 2: really helped us come together, and we both decided atomic 54 00:03:04,240 --> 00:03:07,760 Speaker 2: fireballs were the perfect choice. But I'm curious, do you 55 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:10,240 Speaker 2: remember the first time you had an atomic fireball? 56 00:03:11,120 --> 00:03:13,839 Speaker 1: Yeah? Kind of, like you know, there are all sorts 57 00:03:13,880 --> 00:03:16,959 Speaker 1: of candies that were so novel and of a specific 58 00:03:17,000 --> 00:03:19,280 Speaker 1: era for me right now and later as I really 59 00:03:19,320 --> 00:03:21,920 Speaker 1: associated with like one of my cousin's weddings from when 60 00:03:21,919 --> 00:03:25,160 Speaker 1: I was in third grade, I remember when kids started 61 00:03:25,200 --> 00:03:29,240 Speaker 1: selling airheads at school and then orhoids. But I think 62 00:03:29,280 --> 00:03:30,880 Speaker 1: it was at this summer camp when I was like 63 00:03:30,919 --> 00:03:33,400 Speaker 1: five or six and we were playing kickball and this 64 00:03:33,480 --> 00:03:35,640 Speaker 1: one kid just had this bag of candy from like 65 00:03:35,640 --> 00:03:38,920 Speaker 1: a corner store, and I put an atomic fireball in 66 00:03:38,960 --> 00:03:42,480 Speaker 1: my mouth and I just could not believe this was candy, 67 00:03:42,560 --> 00:03:47,120 Speaker 1: Like it was so hot and unbelievable, also sweet, and 68 00:03:47,160 --> 00:03:49,440 Speaker 1: it just blew my mind. And then I don't think 69 00:03:49,480 --> 00:03:51,560 Speaker 1: I saw them again for like years. They weren't really 70 00:03:51,640 --> 00:03:54,640 Speaker 1: a Halloween candy where I was, Like in my neighborhood 71 00:03:54,920 --> 00:03:57,520 Speaker 1: we had lemonheads at the store and other variations, like 72 00:03:57,560 --> 00:03:59,760 Speaker 1: there was an Alexander the grape candy that the same 73 00:03:59,800 --> 00:04:02,560 Speaker 1: time used to make, but not really atomic fireballs. But 74 00:04:02,640 --> 00:04:05,720 Speaker 1: that moment really stands out to me. What about you, Like, 75 00:04:05,920 --> 00:04:09,080 Speaker 1: I know you've had this somewhat recent renaissance with the candy. 76 00:04:09,160 --> 00:04:09,960 Speaker 1: When did that start? 77 00:04:10,640 --> 00:04:13,800 Speaker 2: Well, so the recent renaissance started, I'm trying to remember 78 00:04:13,800 --> 00:04:16,560 Speaker 2: because it had been years since i'd had I had 79 00:04:16,640 --> 00:04:19,400 Speaker 2: really gotten my fix of atomic fire balls, which I'd 80 00:04:19,400 --> 00:04:22,480 Speaker 2: also loved since I was a kid. I don't actually 81 00:04:22,480 --> 00:04:25,320 Speaker 2: remember how it happened, but when it happened, it was 82 00:04:25,360 --> 00:04:27,520 Speaker 2: all over, Like I was definitely going back to it. 83 00:04:27,560 --> 00:04:30,360 Speaker 2: And as we've talked about before, when I get hooked 84 00:04:30,360 --> 00:04:33,520 Speaker 2: on a candy, I go big and so, as you know, 85 00:04:33,600 --> 00:04:35,839 Speaker 2: we have this place that we know as the center 86 00:04:35,880 --> 00:04:37,840 Speaker 2: of excellence in our home where we store a lot 87 00:04:37,880 --> 00:04:40,279 Speaker 2: of my favorite candies that I end up ordering in bulk. 88 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,720 Speaker 2: And there are no joke, hundreds of atomic fireballs sitting 89 00:04:43,760 --> 00:04:45,440 Speaker 2: in a bucket in there for me to stop buy 90 00:04:45,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 2: and grab some. But it won't be long before we 91 00:04:47,720 --> 00:04:50,159 Speaker 2: have to refill. They go faster than you think. But 92 00:04:50,320 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 2: we should talk about fireballs. Get to the whole history, 93 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:55,560 Speaker 2: the whole everything here. So where do you want to start. 94 00:04:56,320 --> 00:04:59,839 Speaker 1: How about with the makers of atomic fireballs, uh Farepan, 95 00:05:00,240 --> 00:05:03,880 Speaker 1: who gave the candy the somewhat frightening slogan burns so good. 96 00:05:05,680 --> 00:05:08,080 Speaker 1: It's one of my favorite candy companies. They also called 97 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,360 Speaker 1: a candy quote a spicy hot ball of sweet, burning 98 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:16,839 Speaker 1: cinnamony deliciousness. But what is amazing about these little red 99 00:05:16,880 --> 00:05:19,760 Speaker 1: balls of wonder is that none of that drives people away. 100 00:05:19,920 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 1: In fact, atomic Fireballs have been one of the most 101 00:05:22,200 --> 00:05:25,520 Speaker 1: popular candies in the country since their debut in the 102 00:05:25,600 --> 00:05:28,720 Speaker 1: nineteen fifties. Now, what's interesting to note is that the 103 00:05:28,760 --> 00:05:31,680 Speaker 1: candies really were of a time when the atom baumb 104 00:05:31,760 --> 00:05:35,080 Speaker 1: was on everyone's mind, and this slipped into kid culture 105 00:05:35,120 --> 00:05:38,880 Speaker 1: as well. So according to a book called Atomic Tunes quote, 106 00:05:39,080 --> 00:05:42,240 Speaker 1: children's toys in the nineteen forties through the nineteen sixties 107 00:05:42,279 --> 00:05:45,000 Speaker 1: were rife with atomic age themes, and this is something 108 00:05:45,080 --> 00:05:47,880 Speaker 1: I totally had forgotten. But there were board games like 109 00:05:48,040 --> 00:05:51,719 Speaker 1: Uranium Rush and Air Raid. Kids sucked on atomic fireball 110 00:05:51,800 --> 00:05:55,840 Speaker 1: candies while reading atomic comics like Atomic Man, Captain Adam 111 00:05:55,920 --> 00:06:01,160 Speaker 1: and Nukla. There were atomic disintegrating pistols, we hid Geiger counters, 112 00:06:01,200 --> 00:06:04,920 Speaker 1: and zero scale model train sets that transported nuclear weapons 113 00:06:04,920 --> 00:06:08,400 Speaker 1: and waste. There was a fallout Shelter paper doll cutout book. 114 00:06:08,880 --> 00:06:11,520 Speaker 1: In nineteen fifty one, the Bowman Gum Company created a 115 00:06:11,560 --> 00:06:14,599 Speaker 1: series of forty eight Red Menace trading cards, some of 116 00:06:14,600 --> 00:06:18,280 Speaker 1: which were titled Fleeing the Reds, Atomic Doom and war 117 00:06:18,360 --> 00:06:23,200 Speaker 1: Maker which was mause a donks card. And all of 118 00:06:23,200 --> 00:06:25,520 Speaker 1: this contact had sort of escaped me, Like for us, 119 00:06:25,560 --> 00:06:28,240 Speaker 1: the candy has just always been around. But at the 120 00:06:28,279 --> 00:06:30,960 Speaker 1: time I guess atomic fireballs were in some way kind 121 00:06:31,000 --> 00:06:33,760 Speaker 1: of the most pleasant and fun version of atomic culture 122 00:06:33,800 --> 00:06:37,080 Speaker 1: you could be interacting with. And now today they are 123 00:06:37,560 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 1: so popular that there was a recent scare about the 124 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 1: shortage of these atomic fireballs. But seeing as the company 125 00:06:42,880 --> 00:06:46,960 Speaker 1: behind them, for a pen, makes over fifteen million fireballs 126 00:06:46,960 --> 00:06:49,080 Speaker 1: a week, I think we're all gonna be okay. 127 00:06:49,360 --> 00:06:51,080 Speaker 2: I do want to just go ahead and apologize in 128 00:06:51,120 --> 00:06:53,920 Speaker 2: case I had anything to do with that shortage sence 129 00:06:54,200 --> 00:06:58,080 Speaker 2: I'm clearly hoarding them here. But all right, Well, because 130 00:06:58,080 --> 00:07:01,200 Speaker 2: we're talking hot stuff, I do think we need to 131 00:07:01,240 --> 00:07:04,159 Speaker 2: take a minute to talk about Wilbur Scoville, and I 132 00:07:04,160 --> 00:07:06,479 Speaker 2: think we've talked about Scoville before, is of course the 133 00:07:06,520 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: inventor of the Scoville scale, which you probably know measures 134 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:12,640 Speaker 2: just how hot something is, and so you know, like 135 00:07:12,680 --> 00:07:14,360 Speaker 2: when you're at a Thai restaurant and you have to 136 00:07:14,360 --> 00:07:16,960 Speaker 2: wonder whether the five peppers next to the curry means 137 00:07:17,000 --> 00:07:19,920 Speaker 2: you're probably going to die after eating it. The Scoville 138 00:07:19,920 --> 00:07:24,280 Speaker 2: scale is like a scientific objective answer to that question. 139 00:07:24,840 --> 00:07:27,280 Speaker 2: So in terms of the scale, a bell pepper is 140 00:07:27,320 --> 00:07:30,320 Speaker 2: a zero. A banana pepper, you know, like you might 141 00:07:30,360 --> 00:07:33,040 Speaker 2: have on an Italian sub or something like that, that 142 00:07:33,120 --> 00:07:36,080 Speaker 2: notches up to five hundred, which sounds like a lot 143 00:07:36,200 --> 00:07:39,000 Speaker 2: until you realize the scale goes all the way up 144 00:07:39,040 --> 00:07:43,560 Speaker 2: to two million, six hundred and ninety three thousand with 145 00:07:43,840 --> 00:07:46,760 Speaker 2: pepper X that's the Guinness Book World record holder for 146 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:49,160 Speaker 2: the hottest pepper on Earth. 147 00:07:49,320 --> 00:07:51,720 Speaker 1: I'm sure that's a pepper that might actually kill you. 148 00:07:51,760 --> 00:07:54,880 Speaker 1: But where does the atomic fireball rate on the Scovill Well. 149 00:07:54,720 --> 00:07:57,520 Speaker 2: That's what's so cool here. So other spicy candy like 150 00:07:57,600 --> 00:08:01,520 Speaker 2: red hots, another Ferrera pan tree and something I also enjoy, 151 00:08:01,880 --> 00:08:05,040 Speaker 2: those don't even rate on the scale. Meanwhile, the atomic 152 00:08:05,080 --> 00:08:08,560 Speaker 2: fireball weighs in at thirty five hundred Scovil units, which 153 00:08:08,880 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 2: puts it above seracha and below the Serrano pepper and 154 00:08:12,840 --> 00:08:16,160 Speaker 2: a good bit below at bird's eye chili. So for you, mango, 155 00:08:16,200 --> 00:08:19,120 Speaker 2: that means it's hotter than nachos with jalapinos, but not 156 00:08:19,240 --> 00:08:22,560 Speaker 2: as hot as drunken noodles. So does that register there? 157 00:08:22,680 --> 00:08:24,640 Speaker 1: Yes? I get it now. Yeah. 158 00:08:24,760 --> 00:08:27,480 Speaker 2: I can give seventeen more examples. But one more thing 159 00:08:27,520 --> 00:08:30,840 Speaker 2: about Wilbur Scoville. Before he invented the Scoville scale for 160 00:08:30,920 --> 00:08:34,600 Speaker 2: rating spiciness of food, he wrote a book on compounding 161 00:08:34,679 --> 00:08:39,080 Speaker 2: for pharmacies that went through many additions, and actually, amazingly, 162 00:08:39,160 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 2: it was that book that it was first reported in 163 00:08:41,600 --> 00:08:44,760 Speaker 2: print that milk is an antidote to spice so when 164 00:08:44,800 --> 00:08:47,280 Speaker 2: we chug those glasses of milk that Dylan's got laid 165 00:08:47,280 --> 00:08:50,120 Speaker 2: out here for us after setting our mouths on fire 166 00:08:50,160 --> 00:08:53,319 Speaker 2: for this episode, he is actually the one to thank. 167 00:08:53,440 --> 00:08:56,840 Speaker 2: So interesting stuff in there related to Scoville. But I'm curious, 168 00:08:56,840 --> 00:08:57,600 Speaker 2: what do you have next. 169 00:08:57,920 --> 00:09:00,840 Speaker 1: It's kind of perfect that you were talking about, because 170 00:09:00,920 --> 00:09:03,840 Speaker 1: my next fact is about why the atomic fireball is 171 00:09:03,840 --> 00:09:07,360 Speaker 1: so spicy. So I usually see fireballs in the same 172 00:09:07,400 --> 00:09:10,200 Speaker 1: category with red hots and hot tamales, and it turns 173 00:09:10,240 --> 00:09:13,800 Speaker 1: out atomic fireballs aren't just hotter versions of those candies, 174 00:09:14,240 --> 00:09:18,600 Speaker 1: because unlike those other red hot treats, atomic fireballs don't 175 00:09:18,640 --> 00:09:21,080 Speaker 1: really run on cinnamon. They actually have something else to 176 00:09:21,080 --> 00:09:24,520 Speaker 1: thank for their flaming hotness, and that's cap saysan, which 177 00:09:24,920 --> 00:09:27,960 Speaker 1: is why they actually rank on that Scoville scale. So 178 00:09:28,320 --> 00:09:31,120 Speaker 1: cap sasan is the chemical and peppers that makes it spicy, 179 00:09:31,240 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 1: and it's also used in medicines to treat pain and 180 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:37,480 Speaker 1: swelling and cause numbing. It's in all of those peppers 181 00:09:37,520 --> 00:09:40,320 Speaker 1: on the Scoville scale as well. Generally speaking, the more 182 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:43,679 Speaker 1: cap saysan you have, the higher the Scoville rating. Now, 183 00:09:43,840 --> 00:09:47,000 Speaker 1: the other candies I mentioned, red hots, hot tamales. They 184 00:09:47,040 --> 00:09:51,160 Speaker 1: get their hotness from something called cinnamaldehyde, which I know 185 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:53,439 Speaker 1: it sounds like something I'm making up, but really it's 186 00:09:53,480 --> 00:09:56,880 Speaker 1: the chemical and cinnamon that makes things more cinnamony. It's 187 00:09:56,920 --> 00:09:58,960 Speaker 1: known for that tingly feeling on your tongue and it 188 00:09:59,000 --> 00:10:02,480 Speaker 1: works on the same recept that other similar spicy but 189 00:10:02,520 --> 00:10:05,320 Speaker 1: not chili hot flavors do. So, like think about things 190 00:10:05,360 --> 00:10:09,000 Speaker 1: like horsefraddish or withsabi. Definitely spicy, but it's a different 191 00:10:09,000 --> 00:10:09,600 Speaker 1: type of heat. 192 00:10:09,880 --> 00:10:12,280 Speaker 2: And so what about capsation, Like what part of your 193 00:10:12,320 --> 00:10:13,760 Speaker 2: tongue is that actually triggering? 194 00:10:14,640 --> 00:10:17,920 Speaker 1: So, according to the Brooklyn brainery, capsaicin gets picked up 195 00:10:17,960 --> 00:10:22,160 Speaker 1: on by something called TRPV one, and this is a 196 00:10:22,200 --> 00:10:25,960 Speaker 1: spiciness receptor, but it doesn't exactly detect the chemicals so 197 00:10:26,080 --> 00:10:29,200 Speaker 1: much as take the temperature, and when it senses that 198 00:10:29,240 --> 00:10:32,000 Speaker 1: things are getting super hot, it sounds this sort of 199 00:10:32,040 --> 00:10:34,959 Speaker 1: alarm in your brain. So when you're eating pizza that's 200 00:10:35,000 --> 00:10:37,960 Speaker 1: too hot, it's this receptor that's telling you quick, put 201 00:10:37,960 --> 00:10:40,800 Speaker 1: the slice down and glugs some soda. But it works 202 00:10:40,840 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 1: on capsasin too, and when you eat something with capsaicin 203 00:10:44,080 --> 00:10:46,240 Speaker 1: in it, the receptor tells your brain that it's something 204 00:10:46,320 --> 00:10:48,160 Speaker 1: like one hundred and ten degrees in your mouth. It's 205 00:10:48,160 --> 00:10:49,240 Speaker 1: like a five alarm fire. 206 00:10:49,720 --> 00:10:51,640 Speaker 2: You know, I actually got curious about how they get 207 00:10:51,679 --> 00:10:55,200 Speaker 2: all that heat into this sugary sweet thing, because you know, 208 00:10:55,200 --> 00:10:57,400 Speaker 2: it's an interesting science there. And that gets us to 209 00:10:57,520 --> 00:11:00,680 Speaker 2: my next fact. So you know, the proverb a journey 210 00:11:00,720 --> 00:11:03,720 Speaker 2: of one thousand miles begins with a single step, right, 211 00:11:04,960 --> 00:11:08,280 Speaker 2: you love proverbs, proverbs, And actually it has no relation 212 00:11:08,320 --> 00:11:09,840 Speaker 2: to this episode. I just wanted to. I just like 213 00:11:09,840 --> 00:11:11,280 Speaker 2: to test you every once in a while. So that 214 00:11:11,360 --> 00:11:14,280 Speaker 2: was a pause for our proverb test of the day. Well, 215 00:11:14,480 --> 00:11:17,040 Speaker 2: now this is relevant here. So the same thing is 216 00:11:17,160 --> 00:11:20,640 Speaker 2: kind of true for the atomic fireball. That journey begins 217 00:11:20,679 --> 00:11:23,360 Speaker 2: with a single grain of sugar, literally, like they make 218 00:11:23,400 --> 00:11:27,520 Speaker 2: the candy using the hot panned process as it's non Now, 219 00:11:27,880 --> 00:11:30,000 Speaker 2: this hot doesn't refer to spice, but rather to the 220 00:11:30,040 --> 00:11:32,800 Speaker 2: fact that the pan the candy is cooked in stays 221 00:11:32,800 --> 00:11:35,600 Speaker 2: hot throughout a two week process. So this is a 222 00:11:35,760 --> 00:11:39,280 Speaker 2: long process. An atomic fireball starts with a single grain 223 00:11:39,320 --> 00:11:42,800 Speaker 2: of sugar and nearly equal amounts of flavor and syrup 224 00:11:42,840 --> 00:11:46,000 Speaker 2: that coat that single grain, and then once the coating 225 00:11:46,080 --> 00:11:48,800 Speaker 2: is complete, there's a little more sugar added, and again 226 00:11:48,920 --> 00:11:51,320 Speaker 2: nearly equal amounts of flavor and syrup and so on 227 00:11:51,400 --> 00:11:54,120 Speaker 2: and so on. And the process is actually pretty intense, 228 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:57,080 Speaker 2: where the candy maker builds up layers in these concentric 229 00:11:57,120 --> 00:12:01,079 Speaker 2: spheres around that initial grain of sugar. It's also how 230 00:12:01,160 --> 00:12:04,360 Speaker 2: other suckers like lemon heads and things like that are made, 231 00:12:04,400 --> 00:12:07,440 Speaker 2: and it's what makes this consistent flavor as you work 232 00:12:07,520 --> 00:12:10,880 Speaker 2: your way through the candy over time. So now that 233 00:12:10,920 --> 00:12:13,480 Speaker 2: you know the process, guess how many layers are in 234 00:12:13,559 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: a single atomic fireball? 235 00:12:16,800 --> 00:12:20,160 Speaker 1: I feel like a kindly owl once tatas that takes 236 00:12:20,200 --> 00:12:22,160 Speaker 1: three licks to get to the center of a tipsy pop. 237 00:12:22,200 --> 00:12:27,120 Speaker 1: But this is obviously atomic, so maybe like thirty layers. 238 00:12:27,480 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 2: You're almost a third of the way there. It's one hundred, 239 00:12:30,240 --> 00:12:34,600 Speaker 2: one hundred layers like sugar and spiciness over that original 240 00:12:34,960 --> 00:12:37,600 Speaker 2: single piece of sugar. There's a lot of science that 241 00:12:37,640 --> 00:12:40,320 Speaker 2: goes into the making of this deliciousness. 242 00:12:39,640 --> 00:12:41,720 Speaker 1: That is incredible. I feel like I can have to 243 00:12:41,720 --> 00:12:43,760 Speaker 1: count the layers as I eat one the next time. 244 00:12:44,200 --> 00:12:46,240 Speaker 1: But why don't we talk about the invention of the 245 00:12:46,280 --> 00:12:50,480 Speaker 1: atomic fireball, which was first created back in nineteen fifty four. 246 00:12:51,440 --> 00:12:53,959 Speaker 1: Something must have been in the air for spicy candy 247 00:12:54,040 --> 00:12:57,640 Speaker 1: at the time because another cinnamon retreat, the Hot Tamale, 248 00:12:57,720 --> 00:13:01,720 Speaker 1: first debuted four years earlier in nineteen fifty. And what's 249 00:13:01,760 --> 00:13:05,040 Speaker 1: wild is that the creators of these two spicy candies, 250 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:08,440 Speaker 1: they almost have lives that mimic one another. So let's 251 00:13:08,440 --> 00:13:11,320 Speaker 1: actually start with the Hot Tamale. Bob Bourne had just 252 00:13:11,360 --> 00:13:13,560 Speaker 1: come back from fighting in the US Navy in World 253 00:13:13,559 --> 00:13:16,600 Speaker 1: War Two. He actually had been accepted into medical school, 254 00:13:16,720 --> 00:13:19,360 Speaker 1: but the family business needed a little bit of attention. 255 00:13:19,679 --> 00:13:23,160 Speaker 1: His father, Sam Boorne, was this former rabbinical student from 256 00:13:23,320 --> 00:13:27,319 Speaker 1: Ukraine who had started just born in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, which 257 00:13:27,440 --> 00:13:31,000 Speaker 1: most people know for making peeps, But another candy they 258 00:13:31,000 --> 00:13:33,960 Speaker 1: are famous for is the Mike and Ike. Now, Mike 259 00:13:34,000 --> 00:13:36,640 Speaker 1: and Ikes had a problem at the time. Apparently a 260 00:13:36,640 --> 00:13:39,840 Speaker 1: bunch of misshapen candies would come off the line that 261 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:42,640 Speaker 1: never could make their way into the candy box. But 262 00:13:43,000 --> 00:13:46,080 Speaker 1: Bob Bourne actually came up with solution. So what if 263 00:13:46,120 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: you took all these misshapen Mike and Ikes, added cinnamon 264 00:13:49,440 --> 00:13:52,559 Speaker 1: syrup to mask their original flavor, and then packaged them 265 00:13:52,600 --> 00:13:55,720 Speaker 1: together as their own thing. And that is how the 266 00:13:55,760 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: Hot Tamali got it start. It was kind of like 267 00:13:59,000 --> 00:14:02,200 Speaker 1: this fix for a mis steak, almost the way baby 268 00:14:02,200 --> 00:14:05,640 Speaker 1: carrots started out as a snack that was made from 269 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,240 Speaker 1: a stack of misshapen carrots that was going to be 270 00:14:08,240 --> 00:14:11,360 Speaker 1: thrown away. That's kind of what hot Tomalas were. And 271 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,480 Speaker 1: they were such a success that Bob actually set aside 272 00:14:14,480 --> 00:14:17,120 Speaker 1: his bed school to focus on the family business and 273 00:14:17,440 --> 00:14:18,280 Speaker 1: he ran Just. 274 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,520 Speaker 2: Born Candies for nearly four decades. 275 00:14:21,120 --> 00:14:23,800 Speaker 1: Now, like I was saying, Bob and Nello Ferrara end 276 00:14:23,920 --> 00:14:27,240 Speaker 1: up having these parallel lives. The Ferrara Pan company was 277 00:14:27,320 --> 00:14:31,720 Speaker 1: also a family business. Salvator Ferrara immigrated from Naples, Italy 278 00:14:31,800 --> 00:14:34,240 Speaker 1: in nineteen hundred and by nineteen oh eight he'd made 279 00:14:34,240 --> 00:14:36,920 Speaker 1: his way to Chicago, where he opened this bakery in 280 00:14:37,000 --> 00:14:39,560 Speaker 1: little Italy. But it wasn't the big goods that kept 281 00:14:39,560 --> 00:14:42,520 Speaker 1: people coming back. It was the Jordan amends he was making, 282 00:14:42,680 --> 00:14:45,880 Speaker 1: which are those pastel colored candy treats made by coating 283 00:14:45,880 --> 00:14:48,800 Speaker 1: the nut and layers of sugar. And that's when he 284 00:14:48,840 --> 00:14:52,440 Speaker 1: started a company focused on making what they did best, candy. Now, 285 00:14:52,600 --> 00:14:55,120 Speaker 1: Ferrara Pan had actually been making red Hot since nineteen 286 00:14:55,200 --> 00:14:58,240 Speaker 1: thirty two, so they weren't new to the hot candy trend, 287 00:14:58,480 --> 00:15:01,080 Speaker 1: but Sal's son, nell is the one who took it 288 00:15:01,080 --> 00:15:04,600 Speaker 1: to the next level. Nello, like Bob Bourne, served in 289 00:15:04,720 --> 00:15:06,800 Speaker 1: World War Two. He was in the army and he 290 00:15:06,840 --> 00:15:09,760 Speaker 1: had a degree from DePaul Law School, and he was 291 00:15:09,800 --> 00:15:11,840 Speaker 1: actually about to start his life as a lawyer. He 292 00:15:11,880 --> 00:15:14,280 Speaker 1: was even admitted to the bar, but then he got 293 00:15:14,280 --> 00:15:18,160 Speaker 1: the candy bug and nineteen fifty four he had this 294 00:15:18,240 --> 00:15:21,400 Speaker 1: idea for the atomic fireball and there was really no 295 00:15:21,520 --> 00:15:22,880 Speaker 1: looking back after he put that out. 296 00:15:23,080 --> 00:15:25,080 Speaker 2: I mean, is that true? Was it obvious right away 297 00:15:25,120 --> 00:15:27,520 Speaker 2: that he was better sticking to candy than starting off 298 00:15:27,520 --> 00:15:28,360 Speaker 2: on this law career. 299 00:15:28,880 --> 00:15:32,160 Speaker 1: I mean, what's amazing is that the atomic fireball really 300 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,520 Speaker 1: took off immediately, Like within the first weeks they were 301 00:15:34,520 --> 00:15:38,520 Speaker 1: selling fifty thousand pieces a week. That's just enormous hit 302 00:15:38,600 --> 00:15:41,120 Speaker 1: for the candy business. And he's the one who later 303 00:15:41,120 --> 00:15:43,480 Speaker 1: invents the lemonhead and then all the other flavors that 304 00:15:43,520 --> 00:15:46,600 Speaker 1: are kind of similarly made. And for the lemonheads, he 305 00:15:47,040 --> 00:15:50,320 Speaker 1: used real coatings of citric acid between layers of sugar 306 00:15:50,440 --> 00:15:52,840 Speaker 1: to get that super puckery taste, so it kind of 307 00:15:52,880 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 1: mimics that process. You were talking about. 308 00:15:54,960 --> 00:15:56,680 Speaker 2: All right, well, mango, I've been waiting on this one 309 00:15:56,720 --> 00:15:58,440 Speaker 2: here because it's not too often that you get to 310 00:15:58,480 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 2: talk about consumer advocacy see Ralph Nader and atomic fireballs 311 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:05,640 Speaker 2: all at the same time. So I am pleased to 312 00:16:05,720 --> 00:16:08,200 Speaker 2: have this opportunity to share my next fact. 313 00:16:08,880 --> 00:16:11,400 Speaker 1: This sounds really special. So let's hear it. 314 00:16:11,520 --> 00:16:13,800 Speaker 2: You're ready, Okay, here we go. So Ralph Nator has 315 00:16:13,840 --> 00:16:17,080 Speaker 2: sometimes been known as the nation's nag and has spent 316 00:16:17,200 --> 00:16:20,280 Speaker 2: much of his life as a political activist, and in fact, 317 00:16:20,320 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 2: he's a huge part of the reason that we have 318 00:16:21,960 --> 00:16:25,120 Speaker 2: seat belts in cars today. But at one time he 319 00:16:25,240 --> 00:16:28,600 Speaker 2: was also focused on getting Americans to consume less sugar. 320 00:16:28,840 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: That's so funny. I always think about him and cars 321 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:32,960 Speaker 1: and like Pinto and stuff like that, but I didn't 322 00:16:32,960 --> 00:16:34,160 Speaker 1: realize he was focused on sugar. 323 00:16:34,400 --> 00:16:37,640 Speaker 2: Yep, No, that's exactly right. And he disparaged sugar whenever 324 00:16:37,760 --> 00:16:40,560 Speaker 2: he could. And this really stuck in Nello for ours 325 00:16:40,640 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 2: craw So, according to an interview his son sal gave 326 00:16:43,680 --> 00:16:47,880 Speaker 2: with NPR, Nello challenged Natter to quote a teeth fight. 327 00:16:49,320 --> 00:16:50,280 Speaker 1: What's a teeth fight? 328 00:16:50,720 --> 00:16:53,000 Speaker 2: You don't know a teeth fighters? I think it's just 329 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,960 Speaker 2: comparing teeth. I don't know at the time he wrote 330 00:16:56,000 --> 00:16:59,040 Speaker 2: Natter's saying quote, I eat candy every day and I 331 00:16:59,080 --> 00:17:02,760 Speaker 2: have all my teeth. That's such an amazing way to brag. 332 00:17:02,800 --> 00:17:05,560 Speaker 2: But I guess he thought he was pretty convincing, and 333 00:17:06,240 --> 00:17:09,919 Speaker 2: apparently not convincing enough though, because Nello Ferar went further. 334 00:17:10,080 --> 00:17:13,120 Speaker 2: He decided to prove the strength of his teeth by 335 00:17:13,160 --> 00:17:17,320 Speaker 2: lifting a one hundred pound bag of sugar with his teeth. 336 00:17:17,359 --> 00:17:19,399 Speaker 2: I love the idea that he thinks this just like 337 00:17:19,520 --> 00:17:21,360 Speaker 2: proves his points somehow. 338 00:17:21,600 --> 00:17:23,680 Speaker 1: And I love that like Ralph Nader is like, Nope, 339 00:17:23,760 --> 00:17:28,959 Speaker 1: he's right, you won the nice teeth. I'd be so 340 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,920 Speaker 1: afraid of like chipping my tooth or like cracking mine 341 00:17:32,040 --> 00:17:35,439 Speaker 1: like a hundred pounds of sugar is no joke. We 342 00:17:35,520 --> 00:17:38,000 Speaker 1: have got to pause for some commercials, but we've got 343 00:17:38,000 --> 00:17:40,960 Speaker 1: more atomic fireball facts right after the break. Please don't 344 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:42,120 Speaker 1: go anywhere. 345 00:17:56,960 --> 00:18:00,600 Speaker 2: Welcome back to Part Time Genius. We're talking about atomic fireballs, 346 00:18:00,640 --> 00:18:04,399 Speaker 2: and man, our mouths are on fire with facts, of course, 347 00:18:04,440 --> 00:18:07,200 Speaker 2: So mengo, where do you want to go next? 348 00:18:07,520 --> 00:18:11,240 Speaker 1: How about burning men? Okay, So, in addition to Part 349 00:18:11,240 --> 00:18:14,040 Speaker 1: Time Genius and NASA it turns out that Burning Men 350 00:18:14,200 --> 00:18:17,960 Speaker 1: is also known for sending out atomic fireballs with their tickets. 351 00:18:18,000 --> 00:18:21,760 Speaker 1: And of course there's a whole heat, fire and fun 352 00:18:21,800 --> 00:18:24,320 Speaker 1: component that sort of overlaps between the candy and the 353 00:18:24,359 --> 00:18:28,160 Speaker 1: Desert festival. But there's also another reason that they mail 354 00:18:28,200 --> 00:18:30,879 Speaker 1: out candy with the tickets, and this comes from this 355 00:18:30,960 --> 00:18:33,680 Speaker 1: guy named Nimbus, who was the former head of ticketing. 356 00:18:33,920 --> 00:18:36,760 Speaker 1: He says, quote, as the event was growing, so were 357 00:18:36,760 --> 00:18:41,200 Speaker 1: our operations, and some unexpected challenges were introduced. Among them, 358 00:18:41,480 --> 00:18:44,919 Speaker 1: ticket deliveries were being mishandled by the postal service, and 359 00:18:44,960 --> 00:18:47,160 Speaker 1: so they're trying to figure out how to like improve 360 00:18:47,240 --> 00:18:50,679 Speaker 1: their ticketing system and they get this advice from a 361 00:18:50,680 --> 00:18:54,840 Speaker 1: local postbuster. He advises two things. One manually highlight the 362 00:18:54,880 --> 00:18:56,960 Speaker 1: label with the green highlighter to call out that it 363 00:18:57,000 --> 00:19:01,320 Speaker 1: was a signature confirmation. And two, include something small more 364 00:19:01,359 --> 00:19:04,040 Speaker 1: than half an inch thick to make the package uneven, 365 00:19:04,359 --> 00:19:06,679 Speaker 1: so that it has to be hands sorted and couldn't 366 00:19:06,720 --> 00:19:10,000 Speaker 1: be machine sorted. And so that's basically how the atomic 367 00:19:10,000 --> 00:19:13,200 Speaker 1: fireball gets stuffed into these packages. Years later, they were 368 00:19:13,200 --> 00:19:15,199 Speaker 1: told that they didn't have to include the fireballs to 369 00:19:15,200 --> 00:19:18,080 Speaker 1: get the tickets handled with care, but by that time 370 00:19:18,119 --> 00:19:21,240 Speaker 1: it was already a tradition. And Nimbus actually has these 371 00:19:21,280 --> 00:19:24,000 Speaker 1: two other funny stories about the fireballs. One was that 372 00:19:24,080 --> 00:19:26,200 Speaker 1: there was actually a year where there was a shortage 373 00:19:26,240 --> 00:19:31,120 Speaker 1: and apparently fans were both really confused and also livid 374 00:19:31,320 --> 00:19:34,600 Speaker 1: that they received lemonheads and other treats instead of fireballs, 375 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: and as this puts it, he was just happy that 376 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:39,680 Speaker 1: they didn't go with dumb dums, which had been their 377 00:19:39,760 --> 00:19:41,000 Speaker 1: backup choice. 378 00:19:42,000 --> 00:19:42,760 Speaker 2: That's pretty great. 379 00:19:43,080 --> 00:19:45,119 Speaker 1: And also for years, apparently the guy who did the 380 00:19:45,160 --> 00:19:48,640 Speaker 1: fulfillment used to have to store about thirty thousand fireballs 381 00:19:48,680 --> 00:19:51,639 Speaker 1: in his office every year, and what they didn't know 382 00:19:51,640 --> 00:19:54,640 Speaker 1: at the time was that he hated the smell of cinnamon. 383 00:19:54,720 --> 00:19:57,640 Speaker 1: So this poor guy just had to endure it without 384 00:19:57,680 --> 00:19:58,960 Speaker 1: complaining as part of the job. 385 00:19:59,160 --> 00:20:03,199 Speaker 2: But is wild, I will say, I mean, I know, 386 00:20:03,240 --> 00:20:05,560 Speaker 2: I'd much rather have a fireball than a lemonhead or 387 00:20:05,600 --> 00:20:07,760 Speaker 2: a dumb dumb, but you know, if somebody sent me one, 388 00:20:07,760 --> 00:20:09,159 Speaker 2: I'd still eat it. I'm not going to say no 389 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:12,080 Speaker 2: to a dumb dumb, especially when it's the mystery flavor. 390 00:20:12,119 --> 00:20:13,800 Speaker 1: You know, screw it, I'm not going to burning menus. 391 00:20:13,960 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 2: No, exactly, Yeah, forget it. They're sending me a dumb 392 00:20:16,480 --> 00:20:18,879 Speaker 2: dumb All right, Well, let's get back to the hot 393 00:20:18,920 --> 00:20:21,520 Speaker 2: candies again here. And I was actually curious why anyone 394 00:20:21,680 --> 00:20:23,920 Speaker 2: wanted to make a candy that was hotter than a 395 00:20:23,960 --> 00:20:27,040 Speaker 2: jalapano in the first place, and why did that happen 396 00:20:27,080 --> 00:20:29,760 Speaker 2: when it did, like in the nineteen fifties. Well, it 397 00:20:29,800 --> 00:20:33,160 Speaker 2: turns out that until that time, Halloween had no particular 398 00:20:33,200 --> 00:20:36,439 Speaker 2: connection to candy. But the fifties were the time of 399 00:20:36,480 --> 00:20:40,159 Speaker 2: the baby boom, and an American particular, the great expansion 400 00:20:40,280 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 2: of suburbs. Trick or treating took off with waves of 401 00:20:43,680 --> 00:20:46,119 Speaker 2: kids and suburbs, you know, perfect to walk around in 402 00:20:46,160 --> 00:20:49,679 Speaker 2: these neighborhoods as ghosts and witches, scaring their neighbors and 403 00:20:49,840 --> 00:20:52,800 Speaker 2: handing over candies. So with the rise of trick or 404 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:55,600 Speaker 2: treating came the incentive to find a candy that would, 405 00:20:55,640 --> 00:20:59,480 Speaker 2: you know, be spooky or scary. So enter the atomic fireball. 406 00:20:59,560 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 2: It was a double whammy. First, with those thirty five 407 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:05,600 Speaker 2: hundred Scovil points, it was frighteningly hot. Like we had 408 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:08,160 Speaker 2: talked about. The hot Tamali and the red Hot were 409 00:21:08,200 --> 00:21:10,760 Speaker 2: already on the scene, but they couldn't make you tear 410 00:21:10,880 --> 00:21:12,240 Speaker 2: up quite like the fireball. 411 00:21:12,480 --> 00:21:14,200 Speaker 1: Yeah, for my last fact, I want to talk about 412 00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,920 Speaker 1: why we love atomic fireball so much, even when they 413 00:21:16,960 --> 00:21:20,159 Speaker 1: make our mouths burn. And that's not an attack because, 414 00:21:20,200 --> 00:21:23,119 Speaker 1: as we mentioned earlier, their tagline is burned so good. 415 00:21:24,000 --> 00:21:27,000 Speaker 2: But why can't we lay off these candies? I'm curious 416 00:21:27,000 --> 00:21:29,760 Speaker 2: about that. So the truth is we like the pain. 417 00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:35,280 Speaker 1: Psychologists called this benign masochism, and it isn't just with candy. Like, 418 00:21:35,359 --> 00:21:37,520 Speaker 1: think about watching the scariest movie you can just so 419 00:21:37,560 --> 00:21:39,639 Speaker 1: you can scream your head off at a jump scare, 420 00:21:39,760 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: or riding a roller coaster with a hair raising drop, 421 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:45,359 Speaker 1: or even watching Toy Story four. Right, you know you're 422 00:21:45,400 --> 00:21:47,960 Speaker 1: going to cry your eyes out. But sometimes it feels 423 00:21:48,040 --> 00:21:51,240 Speaker 1: good to have these kind of bad feelings. But it 424 00:21:51,280 --> 00:21:54,160 Speaker 1: can only feel good because you know there isn't really 425 00:21:54,200 --> 00:21:56,800 Speaker 1: a threat. And actually this is a funny aside, but 426 00:21:56,800 --> 00:22:00,159 Speaker 1: apparently the candies inventors Nello Ferrara thought that the nat 427 00:22:00,400 --> 00:22:02,600 Speaker 1: high from the spiciness of the candies could make a 428 00:22:02,600 --> 00:22:06,280 Speaker 1: great alternative to drugs. So in nineteen fifty four he 429 00:22:06,320 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 1: wrote to a journalist saying, quote, we have many letters 430 00:22:09,160 --> 00:22:12,520 Speaker 1: from university campuses, such as quote, you can get a 431 00:22:12,520 --> 00:22:15,480 Speaker 1: better blast out of atomic fireballs than from a puff 432 00:22:15,520 --> 00:22:18,720 Speaker 1: of marijuana. Now, we make no claims of preventing the 433 00:22:18,800 --> 00:22:21,480 Speaker 1: use of marijuana, but I am personally quite confident that 434 00:22:21,600 --> 00:22:24,240 Speaker 1: many young people went the fireball route who might have 435 00:22:24,280 --> 00:22:25,440 Speaker 1: gone the marijuana route. 436 00:22:25,520 --> 00:22:28,679 Speaker 2: I love that. I love that quote. And you know what, 437 00:22:28,840 --> 00:22:31,000 Speaker 2: I'm going to go ahead and say it. I actually 438 00:22:31,119 --> 00:22:33,440 Speaker 2: do fireballs and don't do drugs, and so you know 439 00:22:33,480 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 2: what I think this is Maybe. 440 00:22:34,800 --> 00:22:39,840 Speaker 1: They're right, well, that trend of spicy candies that atomic 441 00:22:39,880 --> 00:22:43,160 Speaker 1: fireballs kicked off is one that is definitely not going 442 00:22:43,200 --> 00:22:46,120 Speaker 1: to stop. Today. There are a few new candies made 443 00:22:46,119 --> 00:22:49,320 Speaker 1: with boot Jlakia, which is also better known as the 444 00:22:49,320 --> 00:22:53,400 Speaker 1: ghost pepper, including some jellybeans. These candies have a Scoville 445 00:22:53,480 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 1: rating of nearly one million, making atomic fireballs kind of 446 00:22:57,640 --> 00:23:01,040 Speaker 1: look like a G rated movie by comparison. And as 447 00:23:01,160 --> 00:23:04,000 Speaker 1: much as I love spice, that just sounds unpleasant to me. 448 00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:05,440 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, I agree. 449 00:23:05,600 --> 00:23:08,119 Speaker 1: But you know what doesn't sound unpleasant to me? Watching 450 00:23:08,119 --> 00:23:10,320 Speaker 1: a tooth fight between Ralph Nader and the creator of 451 00:23:10,320 --> 00:23:13,280 Speaker 1: the tomic fireball, and just picturing that heavyweight a bout 452 00:23:13,440 --> 00:23:17,080 Speaker 1: makes me smile really wide. So I'm going to give 453 00:23:17,119 --> 00:23:17,960 Speaker 1: you today's trophy. 454 00:23:19,160 --> 00:23:21,280 Speaker 2: Oh wow. That means a lot to get to talk 455 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:24,600 Speaker 2: about fireballs and to win the trophy. But I also 456 00:23:24,680 --> 00:23:26,560 Speaker 2: appreciate just being able to sit here and talk about 457 00:23:26,600 --> 00:23:30,800 Speaker 2: super hot and delightfully painful candy and sometimes super painful 458 00:23:30,840 --> 00:23:34,439 Speaker 2: candy as well. But from Dylan, Gabe, Mary, and also 459 00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:37,439 Speaker 2: Lizzie Jacobs, who wrote for today's episode and likes to 460 00:23:37,480 --> 00:23:40,320 Speaker 2: live life at the very bottom of the Scovill chart. 461 00:23:40,680 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 2: That's it for this week's Part Time Genius. Now, if 462 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,399 Speaker 2: you like our show, please reach out. 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