WEBVTT - 7. The Dream’s Done Died 0:00:05.000 --> 0:00:08.360 Gampsite Media Large Lash. 0:00:18.079 --> 0:00:21.560 Okay, Rory, we're on the home stretch now, episode seven. 0:00:21.880 --> 0:00:23.280 Where did we leave off last week? 0:00:23.360 --> 0:00:26.079 I mean the big takeaway is that now everyone's caught, 0:00:26.360 --> 0:00:29.040 we're in the final we're in the red zone here, 0:00:29.160 --> 0:00:32.919 we're in the phase of sentencing and whatever. How how 0:00:33.000 --> 0:00:36.159 the hammer is going to drop on on everybody, and 0:00:36.200 --> 0:00:38.040 we got to know how everyone did it. Whydra the 0:00:38.280 --> 0:00:45.320 FBI agent who busted everybody, really really really did his job, 0:00:45.400 --> 0:00:50.000 covered every base and checked every box, and uh yeah, 0:00:50.080 --> 0:00:52.400 now we're gonna we're gonna find out what the sentencing 0:00:52.520 --> 0:00:53.440 is gonna be of everybody. 0:00:53.520 --> 0:00:56.720 Okay, let's find out by getting into episode seven of 0:00:56.880 --> 0:00:58.160 Crimeless Hillbilly Heist. 0:00:58.360 --> 0:01:28.480 Take it away, Johnny. 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.039 For Kelly Campbell. It's been a long day and it's 0:01:20.080 --> 0:01:23.640 still not even eight in the morning. Kelly was arrested 0:01:23.640 --> 0:01:26.680 by the FBI a couple of hours ago. The agent's 0:01:26.680 --> 0:01:29.240 brought her to the women's holding cell at the County Courthouse. 0:01:29.680 --> 0:01:32.199 She's been stuck there with Michelle Chambers ever since. 0:01:33.720 --> 0:01:38.160 She was pretty distraught. She's almost to the point of hyperventilating. 0:01:39.400 --> 0:01:42.319 The reason that Michelle's freaking out other than being arrested 0:01:42.360 --> 0:01:44.600 by the FBI for her role in the second largest 0:01:44.640 --> 0:01:47.840 cash heist in American history. Is because her husband is 0:01:47.880 --> 0:01:50.200 putting a lot of pressure on her. From the other 0:01:50.280 --> 0:01:52.800 side of the wall in the men's holding cell, Steve's 0:01:52.840 --> 0:01:56.400 yelling an urgent message to Michelle. It's the same message 0:01:56.400 --> 0:02:00.000 she's told everyone since the beginning, keep your big mouth shut. 0:02:00.920 --> 0:02:04.800 Steve kept trying to talk through the wall, asking Michelle stuff. 0:02:04.800 --> 0:02:07.600 For saying stuff to Michelle. The only thing he was 0:02:07.600 --> 0:02:09.520 worried about, what's she going to say? Don't say nothing, 0:02:09.520 --> 0:02:10.200 and this and that. 0:02:11.480 --> 0:02:13.400 Kelly tells Steve to knock it off. 0:02:13.800 --> 0:02:16.280 Even though it wasn't me and her that had the 0:02:16.440 --> 0:02:19.440 you know, close friend relationship. I just kind of felt 0:02:20.040 --> 0:02:23.080 the need to protect her, and I'm like, just just 0:02:23.200 --> 0:02:24.119 leave her alone. 0:02:25.520 --> 0:02:29.280 Finally, agents step in to isolate Stephen Michelle. The criminal 0:02:29.360 --> 0:02:33.679 masterminds to separate rooms for interrogation, and Kelly has left 0:02:33.680 --> 0:02:38.480 to wonder if Michelle will crack under pressure. Michelle is 0:02:38.520 --> 0:02:42.320 interviewed by John Wydra and another agent. Apparently she's been 0:02:42.360 --> 0:02:45.120 able to compose herself. The strength of her husband has 0:02:45.120 --> 0:02:46.240 given her new resolve. 0:02:46.880 --> 0:02:50.480 She wouldn't say anything. She didn't talk. She wouldn't admit anything. 0:02:51.160 --> 0:02:53.560 Whydra and the other agent work on her for hours, 0:02:53.760 --> 0:02:56.920 with Widra playing bad cop. They show her evidence of 0:02:56.960 --> 0:03:00.440 all her extravagant purchases. They show her video foot her 0:03:00.520 --> 0:03:04.359 depositing the exact same, just under the federal limit bundle 0:03:04.400 --> 0:03:07.400 of cash with bank tellers, over and over again. She 0:03:07.760 --> 0:03:09.239 won't budge. 0:03:13.639 --> 0:03:16.120 Meanwhile, her husband was in another room down the hall, 0:03:16.400 --> 0:03:19.160 just running his mouth, telling us everything. 0:03:22.320 --> 0:03:27.320 He's singing like Leotine Price. His criminal record may have 0:03:27.400 --> 0:03:30.280 been a bit lackluster, but his track record as a 0:03:30.320 --> 0:03:34.160 canary was much more solid, and he relied heavily on it. 0:03:34.080 --> 0:03:38.000 Now because he knew the game, like he was an 0:03:38.040 --> 0:03:40.520 FBI informant. He knew it was done. He knows that 0:03:40.560 --> 0:03:43.400 the FBI, when they come to arrest you, we already 0:03:43.440 --> 0:03:44.280 have all the evidence. 0:03:44.720 --> 0:03:45.480 We're not guessing. 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:51.200 What happened was right after the arrests, Steve immediately started 0:03:51.240 --> 0:03:53.960 talking about everybody, after having told them for a long time, 0:03:54.680 --> 0:03:58.160 you know, don't tell anybody anything. He was the first 0:03:58.160 --> 0:04:01.680 person who kind of realized the strategic value of being 0:04:01.720 --> 0:04:05.040 the first one to talk in a multi defending criminal case. 0:04:06.560 --> 0:04:10.360 And that benefit is that the person with the most 0:04:10.400 --> 0:04:15.400 information against other people winds up having a great advantage 0:04:15.520 --> 0:04:16.360 in the process. 0:04:17.120 --> 0:04:19.320 Steve knows that he's facing a lot of time and 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:21.520 he can get a more lenient sentence if he is 0:04:21.520 --> 0:04:24.480 the first to tell the FBI everything and screw over 0:04:24.720 --> 0:04:30.640 everybody else, and so that's exactly what he does. He 0:04:30.720 --> 0:04:33.880 tells him about Kelly, claiming the heist was her idea. 0:04:34.440 --> 0:04:37.040 He tells him about his wife, He tells him about 0:04:37.040 --> 0:04:40.240 his cousin Scott and Eric, plenty of new boobs pained. 0:04:40.760 --> 0:04:43.479 He even rats out Michelle's parents for hiding money for him, 0:04:44.040 --> 0:04:47.480 and his own parents for hiding money for him. His 0:04:47.720 --> 0:04:50.920 own parents don't know about you, but I wouldn't care 0:04:50.920 --> 0:04:55.719 if this fella's ass fell off. Meanwhile, Wydras still isn't 0:04:55.720 --> 0:04:57.520 getting anywhere with Michelle. 0:04:57.760 --> 0:04:59.960 Yeah, Michelle didn't care at all. 0:05:00.920 --> 0:05:04.120 Widra confers with the other agents. They agree to have 0:05:04.200 --> 0:05:07.520 Steve go in and talk to Michelle, now that he's 0:05:07.560 --> 0:05:10.839 had first DIBs on telling them everything. He walks in 0:05:11.000 --> 0:05:14.320 sobbing and tells her to confess, which she eventually does. 0:05:15.760 --> 0:05:19.760 Between Steve and Michelle, the FBI already has everything they 0:05:19.800 --> 0:05:24.200 need and Kelly is out of bargaining chips and weed 0:05:33.800 --> 0:05:37.880 from SmartLess media, campsite Media, and big money players in 0:05:38.040 --> 0:05:42.120 partnership with iHeart Podcasts. I'm Johnny Knoxville and you're listening 0:05:42.120 --> 0:05:51.680 to crime List Hillbilly Heis. This is our seventh episode, 0:05:52.480 --> 0:06:01.640 The Dreams Done Died. It's a real shit position to 0:06:01.720 --> 0:06:03.520 have to pay the price for a dream that never 0:06:03.600 --> 0:06:06.479 quite worked out. It's kind of like owing money on 0:06:06.520 --> 0:06:09.000 a wreck vehicle or paying alimony to a wife that 0:06:09.080 --> 0:06:12.200 cheated on you. The Loomis gang is currently dealing with 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:15.720 a searing headache of regret while intense public scrutiny wears 0:06:15.760 --> 0:06:19.040 on their nerves. Kelly's still figuring this out when she's 0:06:19.120 --> 0:06:22.120 led out of the courthouse in handcuffs after her interrogation. 0:06:23.520 --> 0:06:25.640 We knew that the camera people were going to be 0:06:25.680 --> 0:06:28.840 out there, and it's like the vultures, you know, give 0:06:28.920 --> 0:06:29.919 them something to lick at. 0:06:32.600 --> 0:06:34.720 Kelly stuck out her tongue and made a goofy face 0:06:34.800 --> 0:06:37.880 while holding up her shackled hands towards the camera. The 0:06:37.920 --> 0:06:41.520 picture was widely circulated. Kelly says she was trying to 0:06:41.520 --> 0:06:42.880 say hi to her deaf sister. 0:06:43.440 --> 0:06:45.680 She happened to be walking down the sidewalk when we 0:06:45.680 --> 0:06:47.839 were coming out the back of the building, and I 0:06:47.920 --> 0:06:50.440 did this, which is I love you in sign language. 0:06:51.080 --> 0:06:53.720 And then when they wrote the article they said she 0:06:53.800 --> 0:06:57.400 was throwing gang signs. I'm like, that's not a gang sign. 0:06:58.240 --> 0:07:00.760 But it was too late. Kelly was about to have 0:07:00.839 --> 0:07:04.440 her moment with the judge, American public, and also with 0:07:04.480 --> 0:07:07.640 her court appointed defense attorney, James Gronquist. 0:07:07.839 --> 0:07:11.120 And when I saw that, of course I was saying, Okay, 0:07:11.360 --> 0:07:13.559 here we go. This is going to be a little 0:07:13.560 --> 0:07:16.559 bit of work to get this person back in line 0:07:16.600 --> 0:07:18.920 and see that she doesn't get too hurt by this. 0:07:21.040 --> 0:07:24.160 James Gronquist has got the vibe of a patient, pragmatic 0:07:24.200 --> 0:07:27.680 high school woodshop teacher. Hygiens will happen, Well, let's make 0:07:27.680 --> 0:07:29.760 sure not that many students lose a finger. 0:07:30.560 --> 0:07:32.400 By the time I saw, she'd been in jail a 0:07:32.400 --> 0:07:36.360 little while and she had settled down, so to speak. 0:07:37.160 --> 0:07:44.680 But she sort of looked tired, worn out, confused, upset 0:07:44.800 --> 0:07:47.800 about what was going on because she knew that her 0:07:47.840 --> 0:07:50.040 whole life was going to change as a result. 0:07:50.760 --> 0:07:53.600 He quickly takes to defending Kelly, not just in the 0:07:53.680 --> 0:07:56.920 legal system, but also in the court of public opinion. 0:07:57.200 --> 0:08:00.520 Quit laughing at these people, folks. They pulled up something 0:08:00.520 --> 0:08:04.320 that you haven't done, you know, and probably couldn't do. 0:08:05.000 --> 0:08:07.040 James knows that Kelly's going to have a hard time 0:08:07.040 --> 0:08:11.480 getting much sympathy, let alone leniency. Steve's confession is already 0:08:11.480 --> 0:08:13.119 hanging over everyone in the case. 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:18.559 The moment that he knew the jig was up, he said, 0:08:19.040 --> 0:08:20.840 where's my microphonel, let me sing. 0:08:21.560 --> 0:08:23.800 James advice to Kelly was to play the same game 0:08:23.840 --> 0:08:26.560 as Steve and confessed as quickly as possible. 0:08:26.720 --> 0:08:29.040 You're one of the principal players in this and so 0:08:29.720 --> 0:08:32.559 you have a lot to lose, but you also have a. 0:08:32.520 --> 0:08:34.680 Lot to gain if he pulled down. 0:08:34.760 --> 0:08:37.719 The line began to fold after a while, when they 0:08:37.760 --> 0:08:41.600 realized that they're taking the weight for what somebody else 0:08:41.640 --> 0:08:42.520 wanted them to do. 0:08:46.800 --> 0:08:49.400 I was really lucky when I got James Cronquist from 0:08:49.440 --> 0:08:54.680 my attorney. He did care about my situation and my 0:08:54.800 --> 0:08:57.480 family that was going to be left behind, and I 0:08:57.520 --> 0:09:00.800 remember him, you know, talking to my mom and doing 0:09:00.800 --> 0:09:03.920 what he could to console her. 0:09:04.600 --> 0:09:07.680 The consequences for her family weighed most heavily on Kelly. 0:09:08.240 --> 0:09:10.440 She remembers her mom and kids in the audience at 0:09:10.440 --> 0:09:12.280 one of the pre trial hearings. 0:09:12.080 --> 0:09:13.880 I had to get up there and tell the truth 0:09:13.960 --> 0:09:18.720 in front of my family and my kids and everybody watching. 0:09:21.120 --> 0:09:21.760 It was hard. 0:09:26.200 --> 0:09:29.000 And then she hears the crime she's charged with. 0:09:29.360 --> 0:09:32.320 There was five different charges, I think, but the main 0:09:32.400 --> 0:09:35.840 ones were bank larceny and the one that really got 0:09:35.880 --> 0:09:38.000 me was conspiracy to commit murder. 0:09:38.000 --> 0:09:41.800 For her, now, she's staring at many decades in prison 0:09:42.320 --> 0:09:45.720 and languishing behind bars until her young children were well 0:09:45.760 --> 0:09:46.679 into adulthood. 0:09:47.200 --> 0:09:49.440 I think during the time that I was going to court, 0:09:49.679 --> 0:09:52.320 when we were, you know, all figuring out how many 0:09:52.400 --> 0:09:56.240 years we could get and stuff, when it all hit me, 0:09:58.000 --> 0:09:59.640 that was probably the only time in my life I 0:09:59.640 --> 0:10:07.160 feel like killing myself. So yeah, it was pretty hard. 0:10:10.840 --> 0:10:14.160 During the heist cruise reunion in the holding cell, David 0:10:14.160 --> 0:10:16.640 Gant is still in the process of being hauled back 0:10:16.679 --> 0:10:20.040 for Mexico, but when he got off the plane in Charlotte, 0:10:20.120 --> 0:10:22.640 he knew life in his hometown would never be the same. 0:10:23.520 --> 0:10:28.320 When we landed in Charlotte, I'm looking and there's all 0:10:28.360 --> 0:10:32.400 these police cars, and there's the press gallery. 0:10:32.600 --> 0:10:36.760 All these people being in custody is still a relief 0:10:36.800 --> 0:10:40.240 compared to being hunted by Bruno and Cancun. After all, 0:10:40.280 --> 0:10:42.959 he really dodged a bullet or whatever hair brain scheme 0:10:43.000 --> 0:10:46.559 Steve was cooking up a bleach injection, exploding street tacos, 0:10:46.679 --> 0:10:50.160 or swallowing murder hornets. But he still has a lot 0:10:50.160 --> 0:10:51.160 of adjustments to make. 0:10:51.880 --> 0:10:57.319 The next few months are a blur, you know, until 0:10:57.320 --> 0:11:01.320 I get used to jail life and get used to 0:11:01.480 --> 0:11:06.480 dealing with my lawyer and the FBI. 0:11:07.120 --> 0:11:10.000 And facing lawyers and judges and reporters is a lot 0:11:10.040 --> 0:11:11.959 easier than facing his wife and family. 0:11:12.480 --> 0:11:19.079 Reconnecting with my family was very difficult, painful for both 0:11:19.080 --> 0:11:23.040 of us for all of us, and reconnecting with Tammy, 0:11:23.200 --> 0:11:24.199 which was painful. 0:11:25.040 --> 0:11:27.960 David's FaceTime with the wife and family he abandoned was 0:11:28.000 --> 0:11:31.760 pretty limited. He had more proximity to his co conspirators 0:11:32.160 --> 0:11:35.280 the company he chose in place of his family, but 0:11:35.480 --> 0:11:37.959 given that they had wanted to kill him, the government 0:11:38.000 --> 0:11:39.480 tried to limit their interaction. 0:11:40.160 --> 0:11:45.079 I didn't see Kelly or Steve or Michelle except for 0:11:45.440 --> 0:11:49.920 fleeting glimpses here and there in the courtroom or when 0:11:49.920 --> 0:11:53.480 they were transporting us. Because of the situation, I wasn't 0:11:53.520 --> 0:11:56.079 allowed to be transported with them. I wasn't allowed to 0:11:56.120 --> 0:11:58.720 be putting the same cell with them. And one time 0:11:59.400 --> 0:12:02.160 they were in the holesales straight across from me. 0:12:02.760 --> 0:12:05.400 And then there was the time David accidentally got a 0:12:05.480 --> 0:12:07.080 little quality time with Steve. 0:12:09.679 --> 0:12:13.160 One of the marshals made a minor mistake put Steve 0:12:13.200 --> 0:12:16.640 in there with me. I'm like, I'm thinking my head, 0:12:16.840 --> 0:12:19.480 I may have to hurt this dude, or one of 0:12:19.520 --> 0:12:22.480 us is going to get hurt, possibly, so I'm prepared 0:12:22.520 --> 0:12:25.240 to defend myself. And then the marshall comes back tack 0:12:25.280 --> 0:12:30.240 Steve out of there, because you know, they weren't supposed 0:12:30.240 --> 0:12:30.960 to put us together. 0:12:32.800 --> 0:12:37.040 Yeah, when Steve got with an earshot of David, he 0:12:37.080 --> 0:12:39.280 said that Kelly was the one that wanted him killed. 0:12:43.720 --> 0:12:46.400 David's reunion with Kelly was not quite what he had 0:12:46.400 --> 0:12:47.880 hoped for when he stole the money. 0:12:48.480 --> 0:12:51.880 David looked trained when I saw him after we'd all 0:12:51.920 --> 0:12:56.720 been arrested. And I do remember saying to David when 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:59.200 either when I went by his cell or he went 0:12:59.240 --> 0:13:01.360 by mine or something, and I remember telling him and 0:13:01.400 --> 0:13:07.280 I was sorry, I just didn't say anything. 0:13:09.000 --> 0:13:18.160 Did you understand that I did. 0:13:14.520 --> 0:13:17.320 Like the rest of his co conspirators, David was facing 0:13:17.400 --> 0:13:18.920 multiple decades in prison. 0:13:19.320 --> 0:13:22.120 The biggest charge against me was bank larceny. That's the 0:13:22.160 --> 0:13:26.200 most serious, the one where it was obvious. 0:13:29.760 --> 0:13:32.480 Obvious meaning the Feds had video from the vault of 0:13:32.520 --> 0:13:36.280 him committing the crime. It was technically bank larceny, not 0:13:36.360 --> 0:13:39.680 bank robbery, since David didn't stick up Loumis Fargo at gunpoint. 0:13:40.360 --> 0:13:46.240 But the money laundering charges, if push come to shove, 0:13:46.400 --> 0:13:49.000 they would have to show some sort of documentation where 0:13:49.040 --> 0:13:54.480 I laundered money, which, even by the looses definition because 0:13:54.480 --> 0:13:57.320 I read up on it later, I didn't commit. 0:13:58.480 --> 0:14:01.160 David's argument is that putting stolen money in a pair 0:14:01.200 --> 0:14:04.160 of pantyhose isn't money laundering, So why is he getting 0:14:04.200 --> 0:14:06.520 the same charges as the guy who used the money 0:14:06.520 --> 0:14:08.960 to buy a mansion. The Feds didn't agree. 0:14:09.280 --> 0:14:12.480 They would stack charges on people and just crush you 0:14:12.520 --> 0:14:12.920 with weight. 0:14:15.679 --> 0:14:18.960 Adding to David's legal complications, he was going to have 0:14:19.000 --> 0:14:20.800 trouble making a sincere apology. 0:14:21.360 --> 0:14:25.040 If I'm gonna be remorseful about anything, it's not about 0:14:25.240 --> 0:14:29.760 stealing money from the government or putting a hurting home Fargo. 0:14:31.320 --> 0:14:36.880 My remorse comes from hurting my family. My remorse comes 0:14:36.920 --> 0:14:41.800 from hurting Tammy. That's still that's something I'm gonna always 0:14:41.880 --> 0:14:47.280 carry with me, you know, because it's always hurt me 0:14:47.360 --> 0:14:51.880 to know that if my brain and my mental state 0:14:51.960 --> 0:14:56.160 had been better, I would have never hurt Tammy, and 0:14:56.880 --> 0:15:03.920 I would have never hurt my family. But stubbornness and pride, 0:15:04.400 --> 0:15:06.720 you know, calls me and them a lot of pain. 0:15:11.440 --> 0:15:15.120 There weren't gonna be any trials. It would be great 0:15:15.160 --> 0:15:17.880 to say that jury saw the video of David stealing 0:15:17.920 --> 0:15:20.240 all the money and they just let him off anyway, 0:15:20.800 --> 0:15:23.040 or that Michelle had a chance to give an impassioned 0:15:23.080 --> 0:15:27.040 courtroom speech about buying her boobs before the heist, or 0:15:27.080 --> 0:15:30.240 that Mike used a phone party as an alibi. But 0:15:30.360 --> 0:15:32.920 the truth is, going to trial carries a high risk 0:15:32.960 --> 0:15:36.400 of a guilty verdict and a maximum sentence, So everyone 0:15:36.520 --> 0:15:39.200 worked to get the best deal they could, pled guilty 0:15:39.280 --> 0:15:41.880 and hope the judge would go easy on them. The 0:15:41.920 --> 0:15:45.400 one exception was Steve's lawyer, who was charged with money 0:15:45.440 --> 0:15:48.400 laundering after storing some money for Steve in his office. 0:15:48.960 --> 0:15:51.840 He fought the case in trial, lost and got a 0:15:51.840 --> 0:15:54.920 longer sentence than many of the people who actually stole 0:15:54.960 --> 0:16:02.080 the money for Mike McKenny party time was decidedly over. 0:16:02.480 --> 0:16:05.880 Oh yeah, we were in the orange jumpsuits with. 0:16:05.920 --> 0:16:09.160 The Billy chain shackle. 0:16:10.360 --> 0:16:15.360 Ankles were shackled. Oh it sucks. 0:16:15.600 --> 0:16:19.400 Because I basically have to take half steps in shackles. 0:16:20.280 --> 0:16:23.360 Mike prefers to disassociate from this whole chapter of his 0:16:23.400 --> 0:16:26.120 life when he talks about it. He tends to say 0:16:26.200 --> 0:16:29.320 you instead of eye, like maybe all of this happened 0:16:29.360 --> 0:16:30.640 to someone other than him. 0:16:30.880 --> 0:16:34.360 Whenever they actually give you your sentence, that is when 0:16:35.200 --> 0:16:38.040 it kind of feels like a sandbags laying on your chest. 0:16:41.400 --> 0:16:44.720 I mean, my lawyer told me, you plead out, basically, 0:16:44.720 --> 0:16:47.960 you get seventy seven months, you take this to trial 0:16:48.000 --> 0:16:50.560 and lose, you can get one hundred and thirty five months. 0:16:51.880 --> 0:16:54.720 I plaid out, and then whenever they sentenced me, it 0:16:54.760 --> 0:16:55.840 was one hundred and thirty five months. 0:16:55.880 --> 0:17:00.440 Anyway, I kind of got pissy with him after that. 0:17:00.600 --> 0:17:03.760 It's like, so basically, y'all just fucked me out of 0:17:03.800 --> 0:17:04.240 a trial. 0:17:07.320 --> 0:17:08.840 I probably would have got at the same time or 0:17:08.880 --> 0:17:11.879 more from a trial, but at least I would have 0:17:11.920 --> 0:17:14.120 cost the Feds more money to do it. 0:17:14.960 --> 0:17:16.879 You gotta take your spite however you can. 0:17:24.359 --> 0:17:27.040 One hundred and thirty five months is eleven years and 0:17:27.200 --> 0:17:30.199 three months. In the Slammer, Mike and Steve got the 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:34.120 exact same prison term. Mike is still pretty pissed about 0:17:34.160 --> 0:17:37.919 that one. Steve was the kingpin, after all, he stole 0:17:37.960 --> 0:17:41.760 the money and paid Mike for a murder that never happened, unless, 0:17:41.760 --> 0:17:44.200 of course, you count the gallons of margaritas he killed 0:17:44.200 --> 0:17:47.480 at Senior Frogs. And then he got a sentence reduced 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:49.480 for just blabbing about the whole thing. 0:17:49.960 --> 0:17:52.320 Yeah, there's not a whole lot of honor among thieves. 0:17:53.080 --> 0:17:56.320 Words were exchanged, but that that's as far as I'll 0:17:56.359 --> 0:17:57.919 go now. 0:18:00.800 --> 0:18:04.240 Then he was off to complete his sentence. However, there's 0:18:04.280 --> 0:18:07.000 an advantage to being Mike McKinnie in the prison yard. 0:18:07.480 --> 0:18:10.840 The prisons, it's full of predators. 0:18:11.680 --> 0:18:14.840 I'm larger than the average person, was a drawer head, 0:18:15.080 --> 0:18:18.040 and I was in there for being a hitman, so 0:18:18.080 --> 0:18:20.800 I was kind of the last person they wanted to press, 0:18:22.080 --> 0:18:23.680 and I was in there doing my own thing. 0:18:23.760 --> 0:18:25.480 I wasn't gambling, doing. 0:18:25.320 --> 0:18:29.040 Drugs, messing with the punks, so I was basically left 0:18:29.040 --> 0:18:35.679 alone anyway. But in there, if you are pressed, you 0:18:35.800 --> 0:18:40.640 have to be ready to roll. You can't hesitate. They 0:18:40.680 --> 0:18:43.119 come at you, You've got to go back hard. It doesn't 0:18:43.160 --> 0:18:45.840 matter if you're actually very good at fighting. It just 0:18:45.880 --> 0:18:50.080 depends on if you're willing to. Because there's easier prey 0:18:50.119 --> 0:18:52.480 out there, and if you're willing to fight, it starts 0:18:52.480 --> 0:18:55.959 going in their head. Well I might get hurt, so 0:18:56.000 --> 0:18:57.920 they go onto easier prey. 0:18:58.119 --> 0:19:03.760 Well that's terrifying. One of his most eventful days in 0:19:03.800 --> 0:19:06.840 prison actually came at the beginning of a sentence. He 0:19:06.880 --> 0:19:09.480 had just been moved from the county jail in Charlotte 0:19:09.520 --> 0:19:12.400 to another county jail. I stop over on the way 0:19:12.440 --> 0:19:13.359 to federal prison. 0:19:14.200 --> 0:19:16.520 So I went shuffling in there, and the first person 0:19:16.560 --> 0:19:19.639 I saw was David Gant coming down the stairs. He 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:22.119 saw me, his eyes got about this big ran straight 0:19:22.119 --> 0:19:24.199 to the garden, said that was the guy that was 0:19:24.200 --> 0:19:24.760 hard to kill me. 0:19:24.800 --> 0:19:26.000 You need to get him out of here. 0:19:27.640 --> 0:19:30.800 And so I was pulled over to the sun asked 0:19:30.800 --> 0:19:33.080 the fare was going to be a problem. I said, no, 0:19:33.080 --> 0:19:36.560 no money on Gant anymore, and so they shipped me 0:19:36.600 --> 0:19:42.119 over to actually the Christian pod. Those were all the 0:19:42.160 --> 0:19:46.960 dope fans that found the lord before trial to try 0:19:46.960 --> 0:19:49.000 to reduce her sentence and all that, and I was 0:19:49.080 --> 0:19:51.639 just the odd ball. I was a fed prisoner that 0:19:51.640 --> 0:19:54.720 had already been sentenced, and that was the only place 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:56.920 they could stick me. I guess because I had done 0:19:56.920 --> 0:19:58.760 anything to have to sit in the hole. 0:20:00.000 --> 0:20:02.000 I have used his time in the Christian pod to 0:20:02.000 --> 0:20:05.560 preach the virtues of the Unholy Trinity or pay homage 0:20:05.600 --> 0:20:07.960 to the Father, the Son, and the Holy hot tub. 0:20:08.880 --> 0:20:12.200 But he didn't. He just slept pretty good in the 0:20:12.280 --> 0:20:12.920 Christian pod. 0:20:13.320 --> 0:20:15.680 Beds were pretty comfy, And actually that was the last 0:20:15.720 --> 0:20:19.080 time I actually slept on a true mattress for what 0:20:19.200 --> 0:20:21.880 the next nine years. 0:20:23.640 --> 0:20:27.480 As a reward for his impeccable squealing, Steve was sentenced 0:20:27.520 --> 0:20:30.240 to the same eleven years and three months as Mike McKinney. 0:20:31.000 --> 0:20:34.200 Steve's parents were convicted of money laundering and serve their 0:20:34.280 --> 0:20:37.600 sentence on house arrest. Michelle gets seven years and eight 0:20:37.640 --> 0:20:40.880 months her annex. On the day of her arrest, when 0:20:40.920 --> 0:20:44.040 she hid the forty three thousand dollars diamond ring from 0:20:44.080 --> 0:20:47.200 the FBI, did it exactly help her cause. 0:20:47.280 --> 0:20:50.719 Michelle accused me of stealing this diamond ring that was missing. 0:20:50.880 --> 0:20:52.560 We were looking for it because I had a receipt 0:20:52.560 --> 0:20:55.679 for forty three thousand dollars. Now, think about the logic 0:20:55.720 --> 0:20:58.640 of that I have in the search warrant that I'm 0:20:58.640 --> 0:21:04.159 looking for dollar ring, right, and she accused me of 0:21:04.200 --> 0:21:07.879 stealing it. Meanwhile, she put it in the suitcase. Grandparents 0:21:07.880 --> 0:21:10.640 were holding on to it. They weren't going to say anything, 0:21:12.320 --> 0:21:15.960 and then we arrested them. We arrested the grandparents. 0:21:16.560 --> 0:21:20.639 The grandparents are Michelle's parents, her children's grandparents. They later 0:21:20.720 --> 0:21:24.960 received probation. I wonder if that ever comes up at Thanksgiving. 0:21:25.359 --> 0:21:28.200 It added to his prison time too, took away any 0:21:28.200 --> 0:21:31.520 cooperation that she had, so she didn't get any kind 0:21:31.560 --> 0:21:31.920 of break. 0:21:32.840 --> 0:21:35.760 Kelly ends up getting five years and ten months. The 0:21:35.880 --> 0:21:39.200 charge of conspiracy to commit murder for hire added extra 0:21:39.240 --> 0:21:40.560 weight to her sentence. 0:21:40.680 --> 0:21:44.800 And that prevented me from doing things when I was 0:21:44.840 --> 0:21:49.479 in prison. I couldn't participate in programs like where they 0:21:49.480 --> 0:21:52.480 got to go out into town where there was a 0:21:52.480 --> 0:21:55.040 firefighter program and they'd get to go out into town 0:21:55.040 --> 0:21:58.640 and do different things. I couldn't participate in that because 0:21:58.640 --> 0:22:03.800 it would consider a violent crime. I couldn't participate in 0:22:03.840 --> 0:22:07.399 the drug rehab program and get time knocked off of 0:22:07.440 --> 0:22:11.200 my sentence because it was considered a violent crime. 0:22:12.080 --> 0:22:15.320 In addition to her prison time, Kelly was also ordered 0:22:15.320 --> 0:22:18.880 to pay restitution to Loomis Fargo and its insurance company. 0:22:19.320 --> 0:22:21.840 Even though the Feds have recovered just about all the money, 0:22:22.600 --> 0:22:27.440 and it's a big number, almost five million dollars. The 0:22:27.440 --> 0:22:29.960 rest of the crew has to pay restitution as well, 0:22:30.280 --> 0:22:33.960 but somehow, singing Steve Chambers figure is a million dollars 0:22:34.040 --> 0:22:34.880 less than Kelly's. 0:22:35.080 --> 0:22:36.800 It's like you're gonna be penished for the rest of 0:22:36.800 --> 0:22:40.919 your life because they know I'm never gonna pay back 0:22:41.280 --> 0:22:44.479 five million dollars. Where am I gonna get five million dollars? 0:22:45.280 --> 0:22:49.320 I mean, if you think about it, it's like you're 0:22:49.320 --> 0:22:51.440 gonna make this person go out and commit another crime 0:22:51.520 --> 0:22:52.760 to pay this crime off. 0:22:56.240 --> 0:22:58.760 Kelly is sent to one of the most notorious prisons 0:22:58.800 --> 0:22:59.800 in the country. 0:23:00.000 --> 0:23:06.280 From West Virginia, but it was called Camp Copcake because 0:23:06.480 --> 0:23:13.000 there was no towers, no barbar fences. I mean, if 0:23:13.040 --> 0:23:17.960 somebody wanted to leave, they could leave. It's actually where 0:23:17.960 --> 0:23:24.679 they sent Martha's steward. I actually left probably a couple 0:23:24.720 --> 0:23:27.960 of months before she arrived, so I missed out there, 0:23:28.119 --> 0:23:30.800 but I wouldn't have wanted to stay just to hang 0:23:30.840 --> 0:23:31.600 out with Martha. 0:23:32.640 --> 0:23:36.920 Maybe that's why to this day, Kelly's dining table centerpieces 0:23:36.960 --> 0:23:40.159 are not what they could be. When Kelly arrived, she 0:23:40.320 --> 0:23:42.160 too was greeted by a familiar face. 0:23:42.720 --> 0:23:46.800 When I went into prison, they asked me if there 0:23:46.880 --> 0:23:50.320 was going to be an issue if Michelle and I 0:23:50.359 --> 0:23:53.000 worked at the same place or housed in the same area, 0:23:53.680 --> 0:23:55.680 And I told them in the beginning that I would 0:23:55.680 --> 0:23:59.000 prefer that they keep me and Michelle separate from each other. 0:24:00.080 --> 0:24:03.040 The thing about it is if you did something bad, 0:24:03.200 --> 0:24:05.120 if you got into a fight or something like that, 0:24:05.200 --> 0:24:08.000