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Speaker 1: The Around the NFL podcast.

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Speaker 2: It's breaking hearts, ankles and records everywhere. I'm the Chris

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Speaker 2: Westling podcast studio, mighty high on our own supply lately

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Speaker 2: with the Zummy drops. It's around the NFL. My name

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Speaker 2: is Dan Hansas. They got heroes everywhere I look. On

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Speaker 2: this important episode Around the AFC in forty eight minutes,

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Speaker 2: Mark Sessler, Greg Rosenthal, Patrick Claybond back in studio.

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Speaker 3: What's up?

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Speaker 2: Gang?

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Speaker 4: Just glad to be here. This is a tradition. I'm excited.

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Speaker 4: I see if I can get shranked a few times.

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Speaker 4: This is one of my favorite parts of the year.

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Speaker 5: It's a special day. You wake up and the cereal

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Speaker 5: just tastes a little better.

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Speaker 4: M hm.

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Speaker 5: Walk walk to school with your kids in back for you,

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Speaker 5: the air is just crisper.

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Speaker 3: Football is back.

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Speaker 6: Well, I knew we were gonna get that that You

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Speaker 6: get this, Greg football.

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Speaker 2: You're trying to make it a thing, Greg, And the

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Speaker 2: more you try to make it a thing, the more

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Speaker 2: it repulses Mark and I because we know football is

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Speaker 2: not back until the second week of February.

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Speaker 5: It's been a thing for We're on like year nine

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Speaker 2: And yes, before the show we were talking learned a

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Speaker 2: couple of different things. Clay Bonn tomorrow right, Actually you've

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Speaker 2: heard the cliche, but Patrick wants to the world to

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Speaker 2: know he actually did walk uphill both ways to get

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Speaker 2: to and from his school as a child. And now

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Speaker 2: they've cut a path through the middle of the easy path,

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Speaker 2: which made me wonder, is oh, that sounds great for

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Speaker 2: the kids of today. But that's where to use the

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Speaker 2: parlance of my times. Back in New York, the skids

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Speaker 2: would hang out and the less populated less no cop

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Speaker 2: interference or people looking around. The skids could do what

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Speaker 2: the skids do, also known as what do we call them?

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Speaker 2: Where you guys are from burnouts? No chance about Massachusetts?

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Speaker 2: What were they known as gregs? Like I was one

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Speaker 5: Burnout sounds right, burnoutsound Yeah.

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Speaker 4: We didn't necessarily have a parlance. There weren't any like

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Speaker 4: creek Creek critters who would hang out on the past.

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Speaker 5: Critters that's like with the arsonists would be another word.

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Speaker 3: I guess the skit Well, that's different the it's just

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Speaker 3: a lot of fires.

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Speaker 2: The only thing the skids really did that I ever

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Speaker 2: clocked was they put one foot up against the side

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Speaker 2: of the Walgreens over the fence from the high school,

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Speaker 2: smoked a ton of cigarettes, listened to a lot of metallica,

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Speaker 2: and threw snowballs at the normals.

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Speaker 5: It's very Simpsons as the Skids.

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Speaker 2: I was asking about Greg. I had to know because

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Speaker 2: you had the long hair, you were in a gothmo band.

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Speaker 2: Maybe you didn't know what the term was. Maybe you

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Speaker 2: actually were in that crew.

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Speaker 6: Now, I don't think emos were like, there wasn't a

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Speaker 6: huge ven diagram crossover with burnouts.

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Speaker 2: I mean, but also goth emo usually doesn't crossover, does it.

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Speaker 2: Or maybe.

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Speaker 5: Certain Delaware are that man of your imagination now that

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Speaker 3: I don't know what the name is.

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Speaker 5: I do remember I was once like like kicked very

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Speaker 5: hard by one and in a hallway in our class,

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Speaker 5: in our What did you possibly do to elicit that

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Speaker 3: Nothing?

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Speaker 2: Nothing.

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Speaker 5: They were just kind of the types that would just

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Speaker 5: beat up fresh that's what the that's a senior.

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Speaker 2: Kids are gonna do what the kids are gonna do it.

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Speaker 2: It's classic burnout behavior.

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Speaker 6: Craig's walking around his middle it's like marching. It's like

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Speaker 6: we're gonna kick you.

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Speaker 2: Around the AFC in forty eight minutes. And this is

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Speaker 2: like I said, I get a text from doing the

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Speaker 2: Scott Hansen Okay, Scott Hansen of Red Zone fame.

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Speaker 5: Yeah, like seven hours no p breaks, which you can

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Speaker 5: get on NFL Plus.

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Speaker 2: You can get on an NFL Plus. But you can

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Speaker 2: get us on NFL Plus. Uh starting uh next week,

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Speaker 2: we better get on that. He wanted to know when

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Speaker 2: around the ABC and NFC was dropping. It is right now.

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Speaker 2: We're going to go through the entire conference three minutes exactly.

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Speaker 2: And another thing came up before the show, Mark, you

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Speaker 2: grew up in Connecticut, also brief time in England. We've

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Speaker 2: heard it. I don't know how many.

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Speaker 6: It's just factual biographical information, but I know it now

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Speaker 6: that you've had kids.

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Speaker 5: What did they remember from years you know, zero to three?

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Speaker 5: Nothing right, And I'm just saying.

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Speaker 7: Mark, looking at her, literally kill, they're from age three

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Speaker 3: He always says, three.

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Speaker 2: Mark, there was a Mimosa Stabber where you grew up.

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Speaker 7: It was a section of my This is not in England.

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Speaker 6: It was back when I let out, Like a section

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Speaker 6: of our town was called mosa like a neighborhood and

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Speaker 2: Someone was a little stabby in that area, and that well,

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Speaker 2: see how you made it real. And now it feels

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Speaker 2: like not something I could even make light of anything.

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Speaker 2: I think you can now I was fine, she escaped,

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Speaker 2: not mortal injuries. Another weapon is the one held in

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Speaker 2: the hands of our producer, Eric Roberts, who for the

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Speaker 2: first time and the grave digger Justin Graver, did so

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Speaker 2: many things well for us during his tenure as super producer,

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Speaker 2: but nothing better than shooting Greg right in the old

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Speaker 2: throat with a trenk, or any of us for that matter,

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Speaker 2: when we went over the allotted three minutes, okay, and

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Speaker 2: broke the rules of this hallowed game. So Eric, are

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Speaker 2: you feeling nervous like Aaron Rodgers playing his first preseason

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Speaker 2: game in six years, like he admitted he had butterflies?

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Speaker 2: I imagine that's the similar case. It's a big responsibility,

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Speaker 2: it is. I don't want to, you know, tarnish the authenticity.

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Speaker 2: The timer is the timer, so I will be stern

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Speaker 5: Well, plus he's playing hurt, so those tranks might not

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Speaker 2: Don't use use the right hand. It's gonna affect the accuracy.

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Speaker 3: Now I've become a little ambidexterrous here, So I got

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Speaker 6: In that too, because I thought in the last couple

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Speaker 2: Right, we got it. You're right on this side of

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Speaker 2: the last. You got to respect the TRNK, built.

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Speaker 4: Up a tolerance to the you know whatever the medical

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Speaker 2: Time, and Graver got a little TRNK crazy in the

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Speaker 2: to be respectful of the time allotment because this, if

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Speaker 2: have three clock management is important. Why don't we get

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Speaker 2: it going? Here we go, We're going to start in

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Speaker 2: the AFC East. Hit it, Eric Buffalo Bills, Greg.

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Speaker 5: All right, I want to know what Sean McDermott has

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Speaker 5: in store with this defense when you look at what

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Speaker 3: It's a little strange.

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Speaker 5: I think Sean McDermott wanted control of his defense, and

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Speaker 5: you look at a team that I don't think the

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Speaker 5: that to me is the Buffalo Bills under Sean McDermott.

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Speaker 5: What's made them really interesting and consistent. They've been together

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Speaker 5: for five years. That doesn't happen. That's the core of

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Speaker 5: for four or five weeks. But I think Sean McDermott

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Speaker 5: he have one great Buffalo Bill's defense with all this continuity,

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Speaker 3: They could do it on the defensive side.

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Speaker 6: You don't have von Miller for the start of the

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Speaker 7: I always wonder like when you lose a coordinator.

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Speaker 6: I think Leslie Fraser was underrated in that role in

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Speaker 6: You know, you lost Brian Dable a year ago. Know

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Speaker 6: Leslie Fraser, and sometimes I think mcdermt can handle it

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Speaker 6: because he's been doing this for so long. But when

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Speaker 4: And I think it's something that Pep Hamilton pointed out

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Speaker 4: as last week we were getting ready for Game Day Live.

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Speaker 4: Glad to have him, Glad to have coach Fraser come over. Well,

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Speaker 4: Leslie Fraser allowed Sean McDermott some leniency in terms of

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Speaker 4: They're going to be a little more complimentary now that

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Speaker 4: the head coach is calling the defense, if he's going

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Speaker 1: Now that he's the person that has to own it.

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Speaker 2: We all had McDermott in the safe grouping when we

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Speaker 2: some pushback on social media that McDermott should be seen

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Speaker 2: he ever be in dangered? I don't think so. But

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Speaker 2: I do think there's pressure on McDermott, like you're saying

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Speaker 2: Greg to really build something up here on dates.

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Speaker 5: Well, and Ken Dorsey's entering the second year, and I

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Speaker 5: Last year they declined when Josh Allen got hurt. There's

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Speaker 5: been some interesting things this preseason. I like what Dalton

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Speaker 5: Kincaid's looked like. Trent Sherfield's their number three. Like, there's

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Speaker 5: no reason to me why they should be viewed any

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Speaker 3: I did know they're healthier.

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Speaker 6: I think there's like no team in the AFC with

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Speaker 6: where it's like anything less than thirteen wins in an

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Speaker 6: AFC title game appearance does not fly.

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Speaker 2: Gotta get there. This is the year You've got to

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Speaker 2: get there. Beautiful the Miami Dolphins. There is a general

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Speaker 2: and for the majority of the season with two with

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Speaker 2: After a Week twelve win over the Texans got into

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Speaker 2: their numbers come down, Teams change their scheme, played more

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Speaker 6: Man, I thought, like the Jordan Rodrieg like podcast series

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Speaker 6: And I think that McDaniel, if anything would have been

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and it's not his first year at coaching anymore.

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Speaker 4: And we see offenses go through lulls sometimes, and it

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Speaker 6: Armstead's got to be healthy though, yet when he was

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Speaker 6: I think that's something you can add to the offense

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Speaker 2: I thought one more note, because you can't have a

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Speaker 2: in the Football almneck Kel Clinton. Big hits on a

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Speaker 1: From that Week seven ACL tear.

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Speaker 4: My only question is we've seen such an egalitarian Aaron

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Speaker 5: You get a little r e lax, relaxed vibe from

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers, possibly because that schedule, especially you know, for

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Speaker 5: wonder if Aaron Rodgers has enough support, like you think, Okay,

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Speaker 5: Aaron Rodgers and Garrett Wilson, that's incredible, it is, but

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Speaker 5: just don't assume that Lazard or Hardman, or the offensive line,

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Speaker 3: I have questions.

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Speaker 5: They might be able to answer him, but I think

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Speaker 3: I really do.

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Speaker 2: I questions around Breeze Hall are fair come off the ACL,

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Speaker 3: It's fine, Okay, I mean it's good. I think it's

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Speaker 2: It'd be great.

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Speaker 5: But if you put it up against all the other

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Speaker 2: Their defense is going to be so good this year

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Speaker 6: I think there was no more dominant position group through

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Speaker 5: Then that's the NFL season though, But that well, every

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Speaker 7: Maybe they went for those games.

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Speaker 2: Time out first time out little Hard Knocks talk. First

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Speaker 2: they plugged Colleen and I did our fourth episode, the

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Speaker 2: penultimate episode of the Hard Knocks podcast, which you could

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Speaker 2: catch in this feed whenever you like. You did see

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Speaker 2: Aaron Rodgers get fired up in practice and angry. As

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Speaker 5: I mean the Jets, the Giants have left the door

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Speaker 2: We weren't ready to walk on the door and was

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Speaker 1: Expect welcome on what that five?

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Speaker 3: I know you are? You know, I've never heard.

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Speaker 2: You, Gwards. I don't know who you are. That's a comeback.

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Speaker 2: It's a comeback. Yeah.

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Speaker 5: Sometimes in a in the heated in the battle, you

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Speaker 1: As soon as it left his lips. He probably wanted

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Speaker 2: There, Rogers, like what all right? Time in to the

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Speaker 6: All right, I ask you this, do you still believe

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Speaker 6: in Bill Belichick. It's the best coach in today's NFL.

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Speaker 6: And if he is, how does he steer this weird

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Speaker 6: and beyond great defense? We get it, But I see

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Speaker 6: the worst QB in the division, all right, the lowest

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Speaker 6: gaggle of why so banged up offensive line with issues

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Speaker 7: Where are we six months from now?

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Speaker 6: And if things go south to conspiracy theories around the

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Speaker 6: idea of as Corporal's like to say, sun setting Bill

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Speaker 6: Belichick as a Patriots coach become a reality. And if

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Speaker 6: Belichick can be fired, what stops one thousands? What stops

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Speaker 6: one thousand alien crafts from invading next? That would be

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Speaker 6: a weird, like a very strange world we live in,

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Speaker 6: but it seems more possible than ever before. If you're

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Speaker 2: Mark's still trying to get Belichick back to Cleveland.

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Speaker 5: He's still trying to get the Aliens invading. I think

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Speaker 5: Belichick's answer would be or at least mine as a Homer,

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Speaker 5: what he has up his sleeve is that defense. If

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Speaker 5: he's still got it, it has to show up in

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Speaker 4: Yeah, nobody's punning on Bill Belichick in general, I think,

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Speaker 4: Patricia was just so baffling for everybody. It's kind of like, well, hey,

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Speaker 4: Bill can't always do everything all of the time, and

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Speaker 4: so I think the team is going to be good.

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Speaker 4: They're clearly going to be better and it kind of

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Speaker 1: It still goes on the list, and it makes me wonder.

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Speaker 2: And I think part of this is just recalibrating expectations

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Speaker 2: There was no medical incident that we know of. The

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Speaker 2: Patricia move was baffling, but I think he's gonna coach

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Speaker 2: up the day and they're gonna win probably between six

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Speaker 2: and nine games. This world will go on.

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Speaker 5: The schedule is so much suffer if he if they

442
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Speaker 5: only win six or seven games. I don't think he'd

443
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Speaker 5: be back next year.

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Speaker 6: Had they gone and got like DeAndre Hopkins, you've got

445
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Speaker 6: to and he's here, he is what we think he is.

446
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Speaker 7: You got a starting guy.

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Speaker 6: I just don't I think everyone's being pushed up the

448
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Speaker 6: charts a little bit where you're not really where you

449
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Speaker 6: should be slotted as wide receiver on the team got

450
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Speaker 6: a bunch of guys, but it's like, who scares you

451
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Speaker 6: if you're a defensive coordinator going against this offense?

452
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Speaker 7: This is twenty.

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Speaker 3: That's the idea I think is Rimandre and old Zeke.

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Speaker 1: They can't be worse?

455
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Speaker 3: Should we? Should we take a time out here and

456
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Speaker 3: talk a little? Uh?

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Speaker 1: Take it Grid?

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Speaker 2: I don't know, step On No, Actually it's a TV timeouts.

459
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Speaker 2: It's the end of the quarter, so we can do

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Speaker 2: it without blowing it up. What does that even mean

461
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Speaker 2: the end of the first quarter? Well, I was gonna talk,

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Speaker 2: take a time out and talk a little, Zapi. You

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Speaker 2: don't have They're in a chiev e timeout. So it's great.

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Speaker 2: We actually timing worked out.

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Speaker 1: For him a little, save the tomouts he did.

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Speaker 5: He did not approve of your Sannis planned all three timeouts.

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Speaker 5: I thought we're doing a little cutdown Recapa any time out, Yeah, Zappi.

468
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Speaker 5: In terms of like having things planned out, I think

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Speaker 5: the fact that they cut Bailey Zappi and he made

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Speaker 5: it through waivers and now he's their practice squad backup

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Speaker 5: quarterback and I assume he'll be elevated if they don't

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Speaker 5: find another quarterback. But it does make it feel like

473
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Speaker 5: they're still winging it here on offense.

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Speaker 2: If I'm Mac Jones, I'm pretty pumped up about Baillie's

475
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Speaker 2: Zappie summer because it removed any heat around him having

476
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Speaker 2: to play for his job in September and everything.

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Speaker 1: Why was there a heat from Bailey Zappi any.

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Speaker 5: There never was except from the most basic of Patriots fans.

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Speaker 2: I saw a guy wearing a jersey had a game

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Speaker 2: last year.

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Speaker 7: People that are paying tickets to go to the game.

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Speaker 5: Greg Right, Yeah, they were the most basic of like

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Speaker 5: w e I listeners who thought this guy at a

484
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Speaker 5: future When Mac Jones had a nice little rookie year

485
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Speaker 5: and Bailey Zappie was never a threat, it was almost

486
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Speaker 5: a shot from Belichick to that guy.

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Speaker 6: I mean, Billy Zachy came in and destroyed the Lions

488
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Speaker 6: and beat the Browns and then came in off the

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Speaker 6: bench against Mac Jones when Matt Jones looked, you know,

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Speaker 6: had problems. Great for a couple of minutes, then he

491
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Speaker 6: melted against the Bears. But that that's not that crazy

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Speaker 6: that a fan base would start to go in New

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Speaker 6: England would start to go over wild Frame late round

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Speaker 6: white quarterback.

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Speaker 3: Sure, it's not crazy.

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Speaker 2: That the old late the quarterback.

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Speaker 5: That any fan base goes for like a backup, but

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Speaker 5: they were they were.

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Speaker 2: Shirt so uh a little tight in the peck area. Wow.

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Speaker 2: And the sleeves.

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Speaker 5: It's almost like you sized it's preseason. Maybe I'm just

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Speaker 5: sizing up, you know. There we go on, it's preseason.

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Speaker 3: You gotta get the shirt sitting where you can.

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Speaker 7: It's a nice fit.

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Speaker 5: Uh, let's just run through a couple interesting there were

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Speaker 5: a couple of backup quarterbacks.

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Speaker 2: TV over they're coming back and.

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Speaker 3: Okay, Jonathan Taylor on Pop we know he's out for

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Speaker 3: four weeks.

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Speaker 2: That that might really handled that.

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Speaker 5: Some kicker trades will Latts to the Broncos, that's fun.

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Speaker 5: Nick Folk to the Titans, that's fun, your boy. Kade

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Speaker 5: York on the Titans practice my boy still though, Chris

514
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Speaker 5: Jones and Nick Bosa updates. Alberto to the Eagles. Von

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Speaker 5: Miller We mentioned.

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Speaker 2: It because the Eagles traded for him. It's it's perceived

517
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Speaker 2: as if they got a young Travis Kelcey in this deal,

518
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Speaker 2: and it's like, all right, we get it. You all

519
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Speaker 2: love the Eagles and everything they do.

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Speaker 3: Kyle Allen is the becco Chamber.

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Speaker 2: Chamber, Chamber, I love that for the Eagles. All Right,

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Speaker 2: we're back AFC North, starting with not me right, yes, me,

523
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Speaker 2: the Bengals. No team, Let's get the whistle. No team

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Speaker 2: has ever won the AFC North three years in a row.

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Speaker 2: Do you know that? Did not know that? I believe

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Speaker 2: the Bengals are fixing to make history. They nearly won

527
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Speaker 2: the Super Bowl with their Cinderella run in twenty one,

528
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Speaker 2: then fell short of the Big Game last season, even

529
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Speaker 2: though they had the better team last year. That's funny

530
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Speaker 2: how sports work. They bring the bulk of their quarterback.

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Speaker 2: They're a little worse at tight end, They're potentially a

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Speaker 2: lot better at left tackle. Orlando Brown deep talented, battle tested,

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Speaker 2: roster superstarquarterback in this prime. As long as this CAF

534
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Speaker 2: is okay, it's not practicing yet. He did today, good, excellent.

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Speaker 2: If the offensive line and Burrow hold up physically, this

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Speaker 2: is the number one seed in the AFC. And that

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Speaker 2: ain't a question, that's a fact. Jack.

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Speaker 6: I'd like to see this. They came out of the

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Speaker 6: gate last year zero and two. The Burrow CAF thing,

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Speaker 6: I mean, just because it's like the kind of injury

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Speaker 6: where like you're just sort of sitting there with your

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Speaker 6: fingers crossed that it doesn't resurface.

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Speaker 2: On some level, I'm working under assumption that they played

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Speaker 2: this smart and gave him extra time to get the date.

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Speaker 2: Hopefully so yeah, hopefully nobody wants to Joe barroget Her.

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Speaker 3: Yes, it doesn't have a contract, which may be that should.

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Speaker 6: Come out in the next couple of days. That needs

548
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Speaker 6: to be getting Browns. You're the Browns in week one

549
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Speaker 6: and the Ravens in week two. These are huge games

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Speaker 6: right away for a team that I mean, I think

551
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Speaker 6: number one, you have Louis Arama Rumo back.

552
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Speaker 7: That is consistency. I love that for them.

553
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Speaker 6: He could have been hired away, but you lost a

554
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Speaker 6: major chunk of your secondary. I kind of like the

555
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Speaker 6: pieces they put in there, but there's some moving parts.

556
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Speaker 6: I don't love what's happening with Jonah Williams at right tackle.

557
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Speaker 6: And you mentioned the thin situation at tight end. I mean,

558
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Speaker 6: there are some changes on this roster that leave some questions.

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Speaker 5: They're a little thin. There's certainly thin at tight end.

560
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Speaker 5: The running back room has questions. I love the defense.

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Speaker 5: I love cam Taylor Britt how he played at the

562
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Speaker 5: end of last year, they get Uzi back, so that's

563
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Speaker 5: actually a big addition. I mean that's their best cornerback.

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Speaker 5: I think they're confident in daxx Hill in his second year,

565
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Speaker 5: Like getting into Rumo back, it really does feel like

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Speaker 5: him back, The continuity on defense, the relative youth and

567
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Speaker 5: experience combination, Like they to me are the most window

568
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Speaker 5: team right now.

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Speaker 3: Not that they'll go away in any way.

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Speaker 5: But like you're not gonna have t Higgins, Jamar Chase,

571
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Speaker 5: and Tyler Boyd ever again, this is Tyler Boyd's last

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Speaker 5: year in Cincinnati.

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Speaker 4: I just can't help but get over, Like I'm trying

574
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Speaker 4: to get over the fact that Jesse Bates played ninety

575
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Speaker 4: eight percent of the snaps last year. Von Bell played

576
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Speaker 4: ninety nine percent of the snaps last year. They had

577
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Speaker 4: so much I don't think we could just like handwave

578
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Speaker 4: that away. We know the offense has been very good,

579
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Speaker 4: it's going to continue to be good. But though these

580
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Speaker 4: the secondary made so many plays.

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Speaker 5: But like I can't get I guess question would be,

582
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Speaker 5: who was Von Bell before he was with this team.

583
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Speaker 5: Not that he's not a talented guy, but this team

584
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Speaker 5: to me, can help make these players.

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Speaker 2: They've done a good job developing guys and setting up

586
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Speaker 2: for the next guy to come in. And I guess

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Speaker 2: it's a little bit of faith in the Bengals operation,

588
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Speaker 2: which is say, but we'll see they could take a

589
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Speaker 2: step back, There's no doubt about it. And Brian Callahan's

590
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Speaker 2: also back at OC. Their defense last year plus fifty

591
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Speaker 2: one second half point differential Wow, plus seventy if you

592
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Speaker 2: include the three playoff games. Captain loub the Pittsburgh Steelers,

593
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Speaker 2: Greg Rosehalt, all.

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Speaker 5: Right, we've given the young offense a lot of love.

595
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Speaker 5: They're primed. We can get to them if you want.

596
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Speaker 5: But it's been a minute since Mike Tomlin had a

597
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Speaker 5: difference making defense, and I think he's got a chance

598
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Speaker 5: this year. It's one of the reasons why I think

599
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Speaker 5: Mark's twelve win prediction is looking great right now, because

600
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Speaker 5: the offense is fun, but the defense has Teacher in

601
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Speaker 5: his prime. Cameron Hayward's still playing at a very high level.

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Speaker 5: Alex high Smith a great second pass rusher who got

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Speaker 5: some money.

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Speaker 3: We've loved what we saw Nick Krbig, Marcus Golden.

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Speaker 5: Like this is a pass rush with some good guys

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Speaker 5: up front. Two that could be one of the better

607
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Speaker 5: groups in the league, and I want to see it

608
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Speaker 5: from Tomlin. Tomlan we talk about as a potential future

609
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Speaker 5: Hall of Fame coach. He is great on overall, but

610
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Speaker 5: he's also a defensive guy, and I think this defense

611
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Speaker 5: is what really could put them over the top and

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Speaker 5: compete with Cincinnati to win this don't you.

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Speaker 6: Think also, like the where Patrick Peterson might not work

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Speaker 6: out somewhere else, I feeling he's going to work out

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Speaker 6: in Pittsburgh. Joey Porter, I was pushing for that draft

616
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Speaker 6: pick the entire time you mentioned Harvick. I think like

617
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Speaker 6: you're starting to see depth. This is a team that

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Speaker 6: found a way to win without TJ. Watt for the

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Speaker 6: vast majority of last season. You got him back. We

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Speaker 6: love the offense. Like I just think twelve wins in

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Speaker 6: this division is not out of control. Because Tomlin doesn't

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Speaker 6: do things other than win nine games plus every season.

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Speaker 2: I think twelve wins is out of control.

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Speaker 7: It is not out of control.

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Speaker 2: With the Cincinnati Bengals in the division and no dog

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Speaker 2: in the division. I don't think. I think twelve is

627
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Speaker 2: a lot to ask.

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Speaker 6: It's it's out there, but I think it's very possible.

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Speaker 7: There's not a big weakness on this team.

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Speaker 4: Twelve might not be enough to win the division. It

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Speaker 4: could be it could be that competitive. Looking looking at things,

632
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Speaker 4: my I just the Matt Canada situation. He's gotten so

633
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Speaker 4: much criticism, but I think that the success has been

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Speaker 4: relative to what they've had on offense, and we saw

635
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Speaker 4: towards the end of the year where Kenny Pickett started

636
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Speaker 4: to figure things out. I don't see a problem with

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Speaker 4: it overall. I think the offense will be find As

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Speaker 4: Greg said that they're young and exciting, a really good team.

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Speaker 1: I don't think twelve is. I don't think twelve is.

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Speaker 6: Think of the red zone offense, like they added Dornell Washington,

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Speaker 6: like the tight end, this massive bodied human that looks

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Speaker 6: bigger than anyone else around him. Like, I think they're

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Speaker 6: gonna be dangerous.

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Speaker 7: I'm with you. I think Canada like got over some

645
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Speaker 7: of his issues potentially.

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Speaker 5: I love the depth because Friarmouth is a great starter,

647
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Speaker 5: and then you have a nice right like Naja Harris

648
00:28:51,200 --> 00:28:53,560
Speaker 5: is a solid starter. You have a great backup in Warren.

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00:28:53,800 --> 00:28:57,719
Speaker 5: I think Pickens needs to go to another level for

650
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Speaker 5: this to be a great team.

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Speaker 2: Obviously. I'm in the I'm already here. It feels like

652
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Speaker 2: this room thinks the Steelers are gonna be a superpower

653
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Speaker 2: this year. I'm just not ready to go there yet.

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Speaker 3: And you guys, I don't even know if I like

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Speaker 3: it more than the race.

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Speaker 2: Bro all you want if they're seven and one in October,

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Speaker 2: but we'll see.

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Speaker 3: I don't.

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Speaker 5: I'm not with twelve wins because I'm confident the rest

660
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Speaker 5: of the division is so good.

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Speaker 2: I like the first two weeks they have home for

662
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Speaker 2: San Francisco home versus Cleveland. If you are a big

663
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Speaker 2: time team, two dubs.

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Speaker 6: They learned about close games at the end of last

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Speaker 6: year with pick It Too. I just think like something

666
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Speaker 6: about them, like because I think the way pick It

667
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Speaker 6: through in the preseason, Like if that none of that happened,

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Speaker 6: I'd be in a different place.

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Speaker 2: And look out, San Francisco Cleveland, you get two wins,

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Speaker 2: then at La Vegas at Houston.

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Speaker 1: Nice, very nice.

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Speaker 2: Baltimore Ravens Mark Selick, all right.

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Speaker 6: The Ravens are, you know, widely seen as a playoff

674
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Speaker 6: team in a post Greg Roman world. We're about to

675
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Speaker 6: witness the unveiling of Todd Monkins offense with a better

676
00:29:57,760 --> 00:30:00,800
Speaker 6: group of wideouts on paper than Lamar Jackson ever enjoyed,

677
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Speaker 6: and yet reports out a camp somewhat if he on

678
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Speaker 6: the new offense. What if Greg Roman knew that a

679
00:30:07,120 --> 00:30:10,080
Speaker 6: pass happy attack wouldn't work with his QB. There are

680
00:30:10,120 --> 00:30:12,360
Speaker 6: holes on defense. It's going to take more than Genevian

681
00:30:12,400 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 6: Clowney to save the day rushing the passer. Think that

682
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Speaker 6: the cornerback position is a hospital room. The Ravens are

683
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Speaker 6: seen as a legit contender, but I'm not sure they're

684
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Speaker 6: unquestionably better than anyone in their own division, much less

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Speaker 6: the Chiefs, Bills, Jaguars or Chargers or the rest of

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Speaker 6: the AFC East.

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Speaker 7: Am I two down on this team?

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Speaker 2: Well, you're questioning that Greg Roman doesn't know anything, which

689
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Speaker 2: is now stated fact that Greg Roman is bad, and

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Speaker 2: it's he's holding the Ravens back in full Patrick ahead.

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Speaker 1: Well, where's Greg Roman coaching?

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Speaker 7: Now?

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Speaker 4: I'm sure Greg romanedingly coaching commander and somebody's.

694
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Speaker 2: Ails which aren't bad at all either.

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Speaker 4: No, no, they're certainly not. But he also there were

696
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Speaker 4: players that were a part of that as well, And

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Speaker 4: I think if Greg Roman thought that they couldn't pass

698
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Speaker 4: the ball, then having pat Riccard run twenty yard dig

699
00:30:55,520 --> 00:30:57,720
Speaker 4: routes might have been a questionable decision at the time.

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Speaker 3: They didn't have any receivers last year because to.

701
00:31:00,720 --> 00:31:03,440
Speaker 4: Be honest, why looking people look at wide receiver production

702
00:31:03,800 --> 00:31:07,040
Speaker 4: the most. The highest snap percentage that Hollywood Brown ever

703
00:31:07,120 --> 00:31:10,040
Speaker 4: had in this offense was eighty percent. The reason Lamar

704
00:31:10,120 --> 00:31:12,560
Speaker 4: wasn't targeting receivers a lot. You just didn't get receivers

705
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: on the field that much. In terms of the offense,

706
00:31:16,160 --> 00:31:19,520
Speaker 4: I think the offense will be successful regardless, but it

707
00:31:19,520 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 4: gives them the capacity to do more. They might have

708
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Speaker 4: topped out with Greg Roman, and I just personally feel

709
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Speaker 4: like if he was offering that much, then he would

710
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Speaker 4: be somewhere.

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Speaker 5: I agree, just because his offenses tend to have shelf life.

712
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Speaker 5: So it happened in San Francisco too, where it really

713
00:31:34,480 --> 00:31:37,000
Speaker 5: got a little stale toward towards the end there. I

714
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Speaker 5: think they're the highest ceiling team in this division really.

715
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Speaker 5: I mean, I guess the bet they'd be tied with

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Speaker 5: the Bengals, But to me, they have a chance to

717
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:49,000
Speaker 5: have a top three offense. But they also it could

718
00:31:49,040 --> 00:31:51,080
Speaker 5: really not work, and it could also take a while

719
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Speaker 5: to get going because there's so many new pieces, and

720
00:31:54,320 --> 00:31:57,560
Speaker 5: you mentioned the huge questions on defense where I just

721
00:31:57,600 --> 00:32:01,560
Speaker 5: don't see edge rushing, like they're not getting anything out

722
00:32:01,560 --> 00:32:03,400
Speaker 5: of David Jabu by the way, in preseason, like there

723
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 5: are there are certain things that you can you can

724
00:32:06,000 --> 00:32:08,400
Speaker 5: call from preseason, and you mentioned the cornerback room like

725
00:32:08,520 --> 00:32:10,560
Speaker 5: there are major questions. I just think they're boom er bust,

726
00:32:10,640 --> 00:32:12,160
Speaker 5: like they could be twelve wins or they could be

727
00:32:12,200 --> 00:32:12,760
Speaker 5: seven wins.

728
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Speaker 4: Top two offense in the league since Lamar entered the league,

729
00:32:15,920 --> 00:32:18,440
Speaker 4: when he's playing, worst offense in the league when they

730
00:32:18,440 --> 00:32:18,840
Speaker 4: don't have.

731
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Speaker 3: Lamar, Tyler Huntley is still on the roster.

732
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Speaker 6: By the way, that Greg you was wrong, A bit

733
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Speaker 6: of a disappointment for you because you were no what we'll.

734
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Speaker 3: See in over the next week. I still think you

735
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Speaker 3: might get traded.

736
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Speaker 1: I mean, if Greg Roman couldn't make it work with

737
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Speaker 1: Tyler Huntley, come on, now.

738
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Speaker 5: Well we wanted we wanted it to work with Josh Johnson.

739
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Speaker 5: I'm curious about this line too. Ronnie Stanley's like another

740
00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:39,840
Speaker 5: Boomer bus guy, like, yeah, it sounds great to have

741
00:32:39,920 --> 00:32:42,640
Speaker 5: Ronnie Stanley back. He wasn't quite Ronnie Stanley last year,

742
00:32:42,640 --> 00:32:45,080
Speaker 5: and he doesn't stay on the field for sixteen years.

743
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Speaker 2: The Cleveland Browns with Patrick claibont.

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Speaker 4: Okay, so we just talked went through this division and

745
00:32:52,720 --> 00:32:55,080
Speaker 4: we discussed a team in the Pittsburgh Steelers that has

746
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Speaker 4: Deontay Johnson and George Pickens. Of course, all of the

747
00:32:59,040 --> 00:33:01,880
Speaker 4: additions that the Rave have made at wide receivers. A

748
00:33:02,000 --> 00:33:04,880
Speaker 4: Flowers Odell comes in to go with Rashad Bateman, and

749
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Speaker 4: then T Higgins and Jamar Chase don't even need to

750
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Speaker 4: be mentioned. The Cleveland Browns come in with a twenty

751
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:13,320
Speaker 4: second ranked passing offense last year. They paid the quarterback

752
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Speaker 4: all of that money, and their wide receiver too is

753
00:33:17,240 --> 00:33:21,280
Speaker 4: a Jets throw away or you know, now I'm blanking

754
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Speaker 4: on DPJ. Also, is that enough to properly even evaluate

755
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Speaker 4: this off do this? Do the Browns have enough talent

756
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Speaker 4: at wide receiver to make this work?

757
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Speaker 3: I think it was.

758
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Speaker 6: You know, they came into the offseason with that as

759
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Speaker 6: one of their clear, clear positional need. If Elijah Moore

760
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Speaker 6: is like what all the hype says he is, and

761
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Speaker 6: I think that's a real question mark at this point

762
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Speaker 6: because they're talking about like he's doing a lot of

763
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Speaker 6: Jets sweep stuff. And all this other pisode's like, is

764
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Speaker 6: he what they want wide receiver? I think Cedric Tillman,

765
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Speaker 6: the rookie, there's some promise there. They have bell from

766
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Speaker 6: a year ago. It's like, if these guys work out,

767
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Speaker 6: you've got a room. Amari Cooper seems like it can

768
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Speaker 6: still play. To me, you have to like factor in

769
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Speaker 6: Dave and the Djoku to some degree. There is a

770
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Speaker 6: big part of that attack. But I think it's a

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Speaker 6: wait and see. It's a wait and see because also,

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Speaker 6: who is DeShawn Watson shown true chemistry with There's no

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Speaker 6: evidence of that so far except other side of Nadjoku.

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Speaker 5: If they don't work out, I don't think it's the

775
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:17,640
Speaker 5: receivers because I just think they're a model of a

776
00:34:17,640 --> 00:34:21,000
Speaker 5: team that gets great pass protection and great run blocking,

777
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Speaker 5: and that's what makes the receivers work.

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Speaker 3: Kind of like Green Bay.

779
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Speaker 5: Used to be, kind of like the Patriots used to

780
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Speaker 5: be in the right year, that a great quarterback can

781
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,759
Speaker 5: elevate your wide receivers if you have great protection a

782
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Speaker 5: great running game. The problem is like there's no expectations

783
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Speaker 5: of Doshaun Watson to be a great quarterback, like he

784
00:34:38,480 --> 00:34:41,520
Speaker 5: should be elevating everyone people are kind of hoping that

785
00:34:41,560 --> 00:34:43,120
Speaker 5: he's back to being above average.

786
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Speaker 2: So the expectation I mean of.

787
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Speaker 5: Him to be great, of him to like make his

788
00:34:46,760 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 5: receivers great, him to be a top five type of quarterback,

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Speaker 5: I don't feel like I think that would be a surprise.

790
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Speaker 3: Yeah, maybe I think it's.

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Speaker 6: It's one of the question marks hanging out there like

792
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Speaker 6: the Browns thought they were getting.

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Speaker 5: My point is with that line aligne that good and

794
00:35:01,719 --> 00:35:04,040
Speaker 5: a good quarterback could make the receivers and the receivers

795
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Speaker 5: aren't terrible.

796
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Speaker 2: And what we're gonna we're doing our season preview and

797
00:35:07,040 --> 00:35:11,760
Speaker 2: predictions next week, like, yes, this could all go terribly

798
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Speaker 2: for the Browns, and a lot of it hinges on

799
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Speaker 2: the QB as much as you don't want to simplify it,

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00:35:16,000 --> 00:35:18,120
Speaker 2: but yeah, there is the other side of it where

801
00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,160
Speaker 2: he plays really well and there's a lot of pieces

802
00:35:20,160 --> 00:35:22,319
Speaker 2: here on both sides of the ball. And I wonder

803
00:35:22,400 --> 00:35:24,800
Speaker 2: if this is the year you finally get that defensive

804
00:35:24,800 --> 00:35:27,560
Speaker 2: player of the year from Miles Garrett and Nick Chubb.

805
00:35:27,600 --> 00:35:29,319
Speaker 2: Is he gonna be more active in the passing game

806
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:32,640
Speaker 2: and we see another dimension to the offense in that realm,

807
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Speaker 2: you know, Mark, I love David Njoko. Maybe he's a

808
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:38,080
Speaker 2: Pro Bowl guy this year. With a full year with Watson,

809
00:35:38,120 --> 00:35:39,560
Speaker 2: there's reason for optimism.

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Speaker 6: I think a huge factor is that Jim Schwartz is

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Speaker 6: just like if you're Miles Garrett, your Zadarius Smith. This offense,

812
00:35:45,719 --> 00:35:48,960
Speaker 6: this defense is uncomplicated. Just go rush the quarterback and

813
00:35:49,040 --> 00:35:51,239
Speaker 6: like Miles Garrett, is set up for a defensive Player

814
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Speaker 6: of the Year type situation.

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816
00:36:01,160 --> 00:36:03,960
Speaker 8: got your ace right in the jugular.

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Speaker 2: Interesting little division, and let's start with Greg Rosenthal and

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Speaker 2: the Tennessee Titan.

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Speaker 5: Okay, I look at the Titans defensive line, really their

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Speaker 5: defense as a whole. I see a good group. I

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Speaker 5: look at the three big names on this roster that

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Speaker 5: people know the best. Ryan Tannehill, can you give us

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Speaker 5: one more surprise? People always think Tannehill's, you know, just

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Speaker 5: a mediocre quarterback.

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Speaker 3: He's been a good quarterback there.

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Speaker 5: DeAndre Hopkins, could he get that second team boost for

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00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:15,640
Speaker 5: a Hall of Fame case? And Mike Rabel if he's

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Speaker 5: really one of the best coaches in the league, which

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Speaker 5: we were all saying halfway through last year and the

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Speaker 5: year before when he won the Coach of the Year.

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Speaker 5: If they're all that good, why not go win the Division?

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00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:28,560
Speaker 5: Tennessee Titan Man, you hate the Jaguars, I do not,

875
00:39:28,840 --> 00:39:29,239
Speaker 5: you do.

876
00:39:29,440 --> 00:39:29,879
Speaker 3: I just don't.

877
00:39:29,960 --> 00:39:32,040
Speaker 2: Bet you're looking for a reason to pick anyone else

878
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:34,640
Speaker 2: other than the Jaguars. And now you've still some think.

879
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:39,879
Speaker 5: There's there's some huge separation when the Titans were destroyed

880
00:39:39,920 --> 00:39:43,320
Speaker 5: by injuries, including that quarterback and had to lead over

881
00:39:43,360 --> 00:39:46,480
Speaker 5: a Jaguars team and who struggled to beat the Titans

882
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:47,960
Speaker 5: in Josh Dobbs, by the way in the game.

883
00:39:48,000 --> 00:39:51,040
Speaker 6: That really helps the problem with what you're talking about, though,

884
00:39:51,080 --> 00:39:54,520
Speaker 6: because like so I think Frabil is that guy I'm with.

885
00:39:54,640 --> 00:39:56,799
Speaker 3: He's that guy. He's got the defense, he's got some he.

886
00:39:56,800 --> 00:39:59,520
Speaker 6: Also has the worst offensive line in football. And that's

887
00:39:59,560 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 6: how Tannehill got hurt a year ago. Is just beaten

888
00:40:02,080 --> 00:40:02,960
Speaker 6: up week after week.

889
00:40:03,160 --> 00:40:05,360
Speaker 2: Then you're looking at what Malik willis or will the

890
00:40:05,480 --> 00:40:06,520
Speaker 2: old Ryan Tannehill.

891
00:40:06,800 --> 00:40:09,319
Speaker 7: Right, No, but Tannehill can still play.

892
00:40:09,360 --> 00:40:11,680
Speaker 6: But like there is another world where maybe Dereck Henry

893
00:40:11,840 --> 00:40:14,799
Speaker 6: hit the wall, I mean hope not. Maybe DeAndre hops

894
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:18,399
Speaker 6: Hopkins is like late period Julio Jones versus the last

895
00:40:18,440 --> 00:40:21,000
Speaker 6: version we saw of Hopkins. So it's like in those situations,

896
00:40:21,000 --> 00:40:22,680
Speaker 6: you've got one of the thinnest wide out groups in

897
00:40:22,719 --> 00:40:25,640
Speaker 6: the league, the worst offensive line in football, and a

898
00:40:25,640 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 6: lot of other questions on that side of the ball,

899
00:40:27,280 --> 00:40:29,399
Speaker 6: So you need your defense to hold teams to nine

900
00:40:29,440 --> 00:40:29,759
Speaker 6: or ten.

901
00:40:29,640 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 3: Points just on the O line.

902
00:40:30,680 --> 00:40:31,040
Speaker 2: Quickly.

903
00:40:31,160 --> 00:40:33,400
Speaker 5: They had the worst offensive line in the league, I

904
00:40:33,400 --> 00:40:35,759
Speaker 5: would say over the last two to three years, and

905
00:40:35,800 --> 00:40:37,640
Speaker 5: it might be the worst now. It's a lot of

906
00:40:37,640 --> 00:40:40,239
Speaker 5: different players, it's different coaching, and so you're right that

907
00:40:40,320 --> 00:40:42,759
Speaker 5: they need to creep closer to average there. But they

908
00:40:42,760 --> 00:40:44,200
Speaker 5: do have a top ten pick, they have a guy

909
00:40:44,239 --> 00:40:46,080
Speaker 5: they paid a lot at left tackle, they have different

910
00:40:46,120 --> 00:40:48,759
Speaker 5: healthier players, so they're hoping and you're right, that's that's

911
00:40:48,760 --> 00:40:49,160
Speaker 5: in their way.

912
00:40:49,360 --> 00:40:52,279
Speaker 4: Yeah, And the Tenhill injury did so much to the

913
00:40:52,719 --> 00:40:54,799
Speaker 4: perception of the team because it happened at a point

914
00:40:54,800 --> 00:40:56,600
Speaker 4: in the year. Derek Henry could have easily led the

915
00:40:56,640 --> 00:40:59,360
Speaker 4: league in rushing again last year, but the offense just

916
00:40:59,400 --> 00:41:01,800
Speaker 4: fell off such a cliff. You put Malik Willison in

917
00:41:01,840 --> 00:41:04,120
Speaker 4: a situation where he probably shouldn't have even been playing

918
00:41:04,160 --> 00:41:06,160
Speaker 4: at that point, and he had to play a meaningful

919
00:41:06,200 --> 00:41:08,880
Speaker 4: time in meaningful games. It was just a bad situation.

920
00:41:09,520 --> 00:41:11,719
Speaker 4: I'm not saying it because I have questions about the

921
00:41:11,800 --> 00:41:14,719
Speaker 4: Jacks two. They might be Greg's exact questions, but I

922
00:41:15,000 --> 00:41:18,719
Speaker 4: think it's it's way early to write Tennessee off considering

923
00:41:19,080 --> 00:41:19,480
Speaker 4: what they had.

924
00:41:19,640 --> 00:41:21,960
Speaker 3: They've been trying to write off Tannehill's whole career.

925
00:41:22,280 --> 00:41:27,000
Speaker 2: I like I like Tannehill. I've been speaking with regret

926
00:41:27,080 --> 00:41:30,280
Speaker 2: about banging the under on this team because of figures

927
00:41:30,320 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 2: like Tannehill and Henry and Vrabel. However, is there a

928
00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,680
Speaker 2: higher Jeffrey Simmons? Is there a higher variance with a

929
00:41:36,719 --> 00:41:39,719
Speaker 2: one two wide receiver combo than Hopkins, who could be

930
00:41:39,760 --> 00:41:40,879
Speaker 2: cooked or could be good?

931
00:41:41,400 --> 00:41:41,520
Speaker 4: Uh?

932
00:41:41,760 --> 00:41:44,560
Speaker 2: And Treylon Burks who's entering year two. He's back at practice,

933
00:41:44,560 --> 00:41:46,920
Speaker 2: which is good this week, but they need him to

934
00:41:46,960 --> 00:41:50,520
Speaker 2: really kind of fulfill his draft potential. Those guys flop.

935
00:41:50,719 --> 00:41:57,000
Speaker 2: The offense has nowhere to go but on Henry up next,

936
00:41:57,200 --> 00:42:01,160
Speaker 2: the Indianapolis Colts. Oh, the Colts. Matron marksis all right.

937
00:42:01,080 --> 00:42:04,399
Speaker 6: We get the whole Jonathan Taylor thing a disaster. We've

938
00:42:04,440 --> 00:42:06,440
Speaker 6: spent a lot of time on that. Let's peer elsewhere.

939
00:42:06,760 --> 00:42:09,239
Speaker 6: What's a positive? If you're Shane Steiken, you might have

940
00:42:09,640 --> 00:42:12,960
Speaker 6: the most intriguing player in the entire division in Anthony Richardson.

941
00:42:13,200 --> 00:42:15,640
Speaker 6: But this is a quarterback with three hundred and ninety

942
00:42:15,640 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 6: three college attempts all right, just thirteen starts and outrageous

943
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,480
Speaker 6: fifty three point eight completion percentage. These are major outliers.

944
00:42:23,719 --> 00:42:25,799
Speaker 6: The closest comp would be Trey Lance, who had three

945
00:42:25,840 --> 00:42:30,479
Speaker 6: hundred and eighteen college attempts. Jalen Hurtz Stikeen's masterpiece still

946
00:42:30,480 --> 00:42:33,120
Speaker 6: at one thousand plus throws in college with a nearly

947
00:42:33,160 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 6: seventy percent completion percentage his senior year. It wasn't like

948
00:42:36,000 --> 00:42:38,520
Speaker 6: this guy that couldn't play turned into a player. So

949
00:42:38,640 --> 00:42:41,480
Speaker 6: I am genuinely excited to see Richardson. But do we

950
00:42:41,560 --> 00:42:44,799
Speaker 6: trust this hot and cold organization to handle the development

951
00:42:45,000 --> 00:42:46,960
Speaker 6: of this extremely unusual specimen.

952
00:42:48,480 --> 00:42:51,640
Speaker 5: I trust Shane Steiken. I don't trust the organization because

953
00:42:51,680 --> 00:42:54,480
Speaker 5: I think the organization is the problem with Jonathan Taylor

954
00:42:54,560 --> 00:42:57,640
Speaker 5: right now. The fact that they were reportedly asking for

955
00:42:57,719 --> 00:43:00,960
Speaker 5: Jalen Waddle plus picks for Nathan Taylor, he means they

956
00:43:00,960 --> 00:43:03,399
Speaker 5: didn't want to make they actually it made me think

957
00:43:03,480 --> 00:43:06,040
Speaker 5: they want to give him. The front office wants to

958
00:43:06,040 --> 00:43:08,680
Speaker 5: give him the contract he wants, but ownership isn't ready

959
00:43:08,680 --> 00:43:10,640
Speaker 5: to swallow its pride yet. And it's like, maybe they

960
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 5: can make it happen, but without Taylor Man. Even if

961
00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,719
Speaker 5: Shane Steichen and Richardson are a perfect marriage, and I

962
00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:19,360
Speaker 5: think they will be, there's not enough around him to

963
00:43:19,360 --> 00:43:20,839
Speaker 5: win enough games right now.

964
00:43:21,440 --> 00:43:24,280
Speaker 4: And you wonder what it takes, because clearly Anthony Richardson

965
00:43:24,280 --> 00:43:26,880
Speaker 4: has to buy in for his NFL career and whatnot.

966
00:43:27,120 --> 00:43:30,560
Speaker 4: But watching this situation unfold, a guy who's a leader

967
00:43:30,560 --> 00:43:32,520
Speaker 4: in the locker room, who's been really good player on

968
00:43:32,560 --> 00:43:36,160
Speaker 4: the team have to go through this, Like what kind

969
00:43:36,200 --> 00:43:39,440
Speaker 4: of feeling mitigates through the rest of the of the roster,

970
00:43:39,560 --> 00:43:42,560
Speaker 4: especially from the quarterback from the standpoint, especially when they're

971
00:43:42,600 --> 00:43:44,879
Speaker 4: going to run the ball so much and you would

972
00:43:44,960 --> 00:43:46,920
Speaker 4: like to have that centerpiece of your offense, but you

973
00:43:46,920 --> 00:43:49,480
Speaker 4: can't even get him in there because of this situation.

974
00:43:49,520 --> 00:43:51,920
Speaker 4: So like, as much as we don't need to talk

975
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:53,840
Speaker 4: about it, because we have talked about it's so central

976
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:55,960
Speaker 4: I think to the development or at least the first

977
00:43:56,000 --> 00:43:57,840
Speaker 4: season of Anthony Richardson that it's hard.

978
00:43:57,640 --> 00:44:00,000
Speaker 2: To look past looking have the depth chart around Richard

979
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:01,840
Speaker 2: if you take Taylor out of it, and at the

980
00:44:01,960 --> 00:44:05,160
Speaker 2: very least he's out for the first four weeks, Zach Moss,

981
00:44:05,320 --> 00:44:07,799
Speaker 2: Deon Jackson, and a rookie Evan Hall.

982
00:44:07,920 --> 00:44:09,000
Speaker 3: I think Hall is the starter.

983
00:44:09,200 --> 00:44:11,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, you have Michael Pittman. Okay, we could live with

984
00:44:11,920 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 2: Michael Pitton. He could be He's good, he could be great.

985
00:44:14,360 --> 00:44:17,120
Speaker 2: Alec Pierce a second round pick last year, Isaiah McKenzie

986
00:44:17,160 --> 00:44:20,440
Speaker 2: there now in the slot. I don't know. We got

987
00:44:20,480 --> 00:44:22,680
Speaker 2: to see is the offensive line gonna bounce back after

988
00:44:22,760 --> 00:44:25,560
Speaker 2: last year? And does the team have the stomach to

989
00:44:25,600 --> 00:44:28,359
Speaker 2: go through the growing pains of Anthony Richardson, which there

990
00:44:28,360 --> 00:44:30,800
Speaker 2: will be. There has to be. Unless he's a phenom

991
00:44:30,840 --> 00:44:32,680
Speaker 2: that we're not. We haven't seen in a long time.

992
00:44:32,920 --> 00:44:34,319
Speaker 2: He's he's gonna be learning on the.

993
00:44:34,360 --> 00:44:36,480
Speaker 5: Job, but they're also going to be trailing that defense,

994
00:44:36,520 --> 00:44:40,520
Speaker 5: like the secondary is maybe the most questionable secondary in

995
00:44:40,560 --> 00:44:41,160
Speaker 5: the entire.

996
00:44:41,000 --> 00:44:43,560
Speaker 7: And untrafted players and rookies in.

997
00:44:43,600 --> 00:44:45,080
Speaker 3: Rookie it's crazy.

998
00:44:45,120 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 5: They have a lot of roster holes that even if

999
00:44:47,680 --> 00:44:50,840
Speaker 5: Richardson wins Offensive Rookie, he can win Offensive Rookie of

1000
00:44:50,880 --> 00:44:53,640
Speaker 5: the Year and they could win six games. I've just

1001
00:44:53,640 --> 00:44:55,480
Speaker 5: seen Sam Bradford action like.

1002
00:44:55,480 --> 00:45:00,160
Speaker 6: Ownership, front office, coaching staff not all on the same page.

1003
00:45:00,880 --> 00:45:07,600
Speaker 2: Oh, c Jim ob Cooter JBC. Yeah, you gotta take that,

1004
00:45:07,640 --> 00:45:08,160
Speaker 2: you gotta take that.

1005
00:45:08,200 --> 00:45:08,680
Speaker 1: I just wanted to.

1006
00:45:11,680 --> 00:45:16,640
Speaker 2: The Houston Texans. Houston's offense ranked dead last in expected

1007
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:19,960
Speaker 2: points added for play last year. Okay, that that leads

1008
00:45:19,960 --> 00:45:22,200
Speaker 2: to the number two overall picks. DJ Stroud should have

1009
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:23,880
Speaker 2: been the first pick they watched that, but you know,

1010
00:45:23,920 --> 00:45:27,920
Speaker 2: Stroud could be great anyway. New coaches, a new quarterback,

1011
00:45:28,239 --> 00:45:33,640
Speaker 2: some new weapons. Hopefully that changes things. Bobby slowick Slowick

1012
00:45:34,400 --> 00:45:38,600
Speaker 2: Slow Slow. He's from the Shanahan coaching tree ys nice.

1013
00:45:39,400 --> 00:45:42,560
Speaker 2: All that's good. So you have one of the most

1014
00:45:42,560 --> 00:45:50,080
Speaker 2: accurate quarterbacks in college joining a Shanahan system. I'm at

1015
00:45:50,160 --> 00:45:52,680
Speaker 2: least excited to watch what the Texans have on offense,

1016
00:45:52,719 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 2: even if the weapons aren't high end. You have a

1017
00:45:55,400 --> 00:45:59,760
Speaker 2: promising running back behind the rookie, at least the Texans

1018
00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:03,359
Speaker 2: for the first time since Deshaun Watson before the scandal hit.

1019
00:46:04,160 --> 00:46:05,720
Speaker 2: There's something to watch on this offense.

1020
00:46:05,760 --> 00:46:07,799
Speaker 6: I think there's also, like we talked a couple weeks

1021
00:46:07,800 --> 00:46:11,160
Speaker 6: ago about you know, Dimiko Ryans and is he safe

1022
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:12,440
Speaker 6: in our hot butts rankings?

1023
00:46:12,480 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 7: Like, yes, I think he is.

1024
00:46:13,560 --> 00:46:16,040
Speaker 6: I mean I don't trust this ownership group to your point, Dan,

1025
00:46:16,360 --> 00:46:18,360
Speaker 6: but I think there's some patients and there needs to

1026
00:46:18,400 --> 00:46:19,600
Speaker 6: be patients with CJ.

1027
00:46:19,760 --> 00:46:20,200
Speaker 7: Stroud.

1028
00:46:20,760 --> 00:46:22,480
Speaker 6: I mean, we didn't see a whole lot of them

1029
00:46:22,480 --> 00:46:24,800
Speaker 6: in the preseason, but the one thing that was consistent

1030
00:46:25,040 --> 00:46:27,279
Speaker 6: with his college tape was, man, when he throws, he's

1031
00:46:27,280 --> 00:46:29,359
Speaker 6: a couple throws a game where you're just like, there

1032
00:46:29,360 --> 00:46:31,560
Speaker 6: aren't that many people that throw the ball with that

1033
00:46:31,640 --> 00:46:33,440
Speaker 6: amount of beauty, And like, I do think that, Like

1034
00:46:33,600 --> 00:46:37,279
Speaker 6: he's a high growth potential quarterback. No quarterback in a

1035
00:46:37,360 --> 00:46:39,359
Speaker 6: two year window in the Big Ten history had more

1036
00:46:39,360 --> 00:46:41,319
Speaker 6: touchdowns than he did. So it's like he's done it.

1037
00:46:41,320 --> 00:46:42,600
Speaker 6: He played a lot of college football.

1038
00:46:42,640 --> 00:46:45,120
Speaker 5: And how quickly are these guys going to get open?

1039
00:46:45,200 --> 00:46:48,160
Speaker 5: I thought the offensive line was shaping up to potentially

1040
00:46:48,160 --> 00:46:51,879
Speaker 5: be a real strength, but you struggles a little hurt

1041
00:46:51,960 --> 00:46:54,520
Speaker 5: right now. They had to trade for a guard. They

1042
00:46:54,640 --> 00:46:57,360
Speaker 5: Titus Howard is hurt right now. They actually lost their center,

1043
00:46:57,760 --> 00:46:59,920
Speaker 5: their original center for the season, who maybe wasn't got

1044
00:46:59,920 --> 00:47:02,239
Speaker 5: to start. But they right off the bat, they're down

1045
00:47:02,280 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 5: about four offensive linemen. You hate to see that in

1046
00:47:04,719 --> 00:47:05,760
Speaker 5: front of a rookie quarterback.

1047
00:47:05,840 --> 00:47:08,839
Speaker 2: Yeah, you lose Kenyan Green to ir in a preseason game.

1048
00:47:08,880 --> 00:47:10,080
Speaker 2: That is as bad as bad.

1049
00:47:09,920 --> 00:47:13,360
Speaker 4: As it gets, especially considering where this roster was a

1050
00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 4: few seasons ago, even till last year. They're gonna be

1051
00:47:16,520 --> 00:47:19,440
Speaker 4: thin because they just have to come back from what

1052
00:47:19,600 --> 00:47:21,799
Speaker 4: was a team that essentially didn't seem like it was

1053
00:47:21,800 --> 00:47:25,600
Speaker 4: putting its best effort forward. And so to suddenly go to, hey,

1054
00:47:25,640 --> 00:47:27,960
Speaker 4: the Texans are trying. Now, you're gonna have to have

1055
00:47:28,000 --> 00:47:31,279
Speaker 4: some guys really just stay clean, stay healthy, and to

1056
00:47:31,360 --> 00:47:34,200
Speaker 4: have that happened, it's gonna hurt a little bit, But

1057
00:47:34,280 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: at least we do need to consider where they were.

1058
00:47:36,760 --> 00:47:36,880
Speaker 7: Well.

1059
00:47:36,880 --> 00:47:39,920
Speaker 5: One reason the higher dimigo Ryans is it's been proven

1060
00:47:40,280 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 5: it's not that hard historically to go from a pretty

1061
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:48,840
Speaker 5: poor defense to an above average defense. A coach and energy,

1062
00:47:49,200 --> 00:47:53,520
Speaker 5: tackling fundamental. Certainly some talent in the secondary with Petrie

1063
00:47:53,760 --> 00:47:55,839
Speaker 5: and Ward, and you got Anderson up front, like they

1064
00:47:55,840 --> 00:47:58,080
Speaker 5: could go to a frisky defense right off the bat.

1065
00:47:58,120 --> 00:48:00,920
Speaker 2: I think that's his predecessor. Robert Salad did the same

1066
00:48:00,960 --> 00:48:04,560
Speaker 2: thing right York, so he can do that. The skilled

1067
00:48:04,600 --> 00:48:07,479
Speaker 2: players Xavier Hutchinson a little bit of a Darth throat,

1068
00:48:07,480 --> 00:48:10,480
Speaker 2: tanked Dell wide receiver. Are you and the Robert Woods

1069
00:48:10,480 --> 00:48:14,120
Speaker 2: is an actually cooked bandwagon? If you are, maybe you

1070
00:48:14,160 --> 00:48:25,120
Speaker 2: feel good. I don't feel good, But listen, all right, Greg,

1071
00:48:25,320 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 2: sharpen your fangs. Here is Patrick Claiban on the defending

1072
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:30,920
Speaker 2: Division champion Jaguars.

1073
00:48:30,960 --> 00:48:33,280
Speaker 4: So the Jacks made some cuts, most notably Doug Peterson

1074
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,000
Speaker 4: cut his son yesterday. He got back on the PI

1075
00:48:35,640 --> 00:48:37,839
Speaker 4: better than me. I wouldn't be doing that, hey, son,

1076
00:48:38,080 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 4: you go yeah, you go ahead and fire me. They

1077
00:48:40,640 --> 00:48:44,160
Speaker 4: didn't cut Parker Washington a sixth wounder at whiteout. They're

1078
00:48:44,160 --> 00:48:47,400
Speaker 4: gonna carry seven windeouts as of right now. Doug loves

1079
00:48:47,440 --> 00:48:51,120
Speaker 4: his offense, not his son.

1080
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:53,319
Speaker 5: I think he loves his son. That's why he's on

1081
00:48:53,360 --> 00:48:55,279
Speaker 5: the practice squad. He was not getting a lot of

1082
00:48:55,360 --> 00:48:57,600
Speaker 5: NFL interest for a few years before that.

1083
00:48:57,719 --> 00:49:00,720
Speaker 2: Doug Peterson hates his own son. That the headline.

1084
00:49:00,760 --> 00:49:03,400
Speaker 4: My only question about the Jags offense is what's to

1085
00:49:03,400 --> 00:49:05,480
Speaker 4: do in the meantime While Cam Robinson is dealing with

1086
00:49:05,520 --> 00:49:09,719
Speaker 4: this suspension, the question is defense. They didn't make any

1087
00:49:09,840 --> 00:49:12,239
Speaker 4: changes in the secondary. They were able to overcome that

1088
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:14,720
Speaker 4: towards the end, but they'll need those guys to grow

1089
00:49:14,760 --> 00:49:17,919
Speaker 4: a whole lot. Is there enough growth in what's there,

1090
00:49:18,400 --> 00:49:21,000
Speaker 4: like guys like Campbell in that secondary to be what

1091
00:49:21,040 --> 00:49:22,280
Speaker 4: they need to be to win the division.

1092
00:49:22,400 --> 00:49:26,040
Speaker 6: I thought it was a weird offseason because yes, you exited,

1093
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,480
Speaker 6: you know, January, thinking this is one of the new

1094
00:49:28,480 --> 00:49:30,959
Speaker 6: teams in the AFC. They're completely set on one side

1095
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,319
Speaker 6: of the ball in many ways. Dwayne Smoot arden Key,

1096
00:49:34,360 --> 00:49:36,760
Speaker 6: two of their top three sack leaders from year ago exit.

1097
00:49:36,920 --> 00:49:39,160
Speaker 6: They don't draft the defensive player till the fourth round.

1098
00:49:39,280 --> 00:49:41,960
Speaker 6: It's like other teams well are rebuilding in one year.

1099
00:49:42,000 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 6: It's like you pour all your resources into your weakness,

1100
00:49:45,120 --> 00:49:47,280
Speaker 6: and the Jaguars did the opposite.

1101
00:49:47,320 --> 00:49:49,880
Speaker 5: They're building on strength. They're kind of like the old

1102
00:49:50,280 --> 00:49:52,960
Speaker 5: cult system and it might might not be a bad

1103
00:49:53,000 --> 00:49:53,720
Speaker 5: idea in this division.

1104
00:49:53,760 --> 00:49:53,920
Speaker 3: I'm not.

1105
00:49:54,239 --> 00:49:56,799
Speaker 5: I'm just down relative to consensus because I think there's

1106
00:49:56,800 --> 00:49:59,400
Speaker 5: a chance, to Patrick's point, that they could be a

1107
00:49:59,400 --> 00:50:01,839
Speaker 5: bottom five defense. I just think they're very thin at

1108
00:50:01,920 --> 00:50:06,880
Speaker 5: ed Rutger, not like a very promising cornerback group, and

1109
00:50:07,239 --> 00:50:09,719
Speaker 5: Boomer Buss at linebacker. Maybe it all works out, but

1110
00:50:09,719 --> 00:50:11,880
Speaker 5: they didn't really show that they were like coach that

1111
00:50:11,880 --> 00:50:12,960
Speaker 5: well on defense last year.

1112
00:50:13,000 --> 00:50:15,240
Speaker 2: To your point, the Trayvon Walker move is not looking

1113
00:50:15,280 --> 00:50:17,080
Speaker 2: good right now. This is a big year or two

1114
00:50:17,160 --> 00:50:19,759
Speaker 2: for him. Number one overall pick last year when you

1115
00:50:19,800 --> 00:50:23,719
Speaker 2: could have had Hutchinson, Calvin Ridley's there, and you know what,

1116
00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,040
Speaker 2: I don't think we talked about him enough. Trevor Lawrence

1117
00:50:26,120 --> 00:50:28,560
Speaker 2: is there, yes, and Lawrence really made a huge step

1118
00:50:28,640 --> 00:50:30,480
Speaker 2: last year, and I think you know, you want to

1119
00:50:30,520 --> 00:50:32,839
Speaker 2: talk about dark horse and in the MVP race, like

1120
00:50:33,000 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 2: Lawrence very much has a chance to become a superstar

1121
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,480
Speaker 2: this year and that is going to lead to a

1122
00:50:38,480 --> 00:50:39,520
Speaker 2: blowout in this division.

1123
00:50:39,640 --> 00:50:41,920
Speaker 7: We don't know that. Like Trevor Lawrence has maxed out.

1124
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,160
Speaker 6: I mean he had no year one obviously, so last

1125
00:50:44,239 --> 00:50:47,000
Speaker 6: year was essentially like the first look and he almost

1126
00:50:47,000 --> 00:50:49,359
Speaker 6: had like two seasons in one, and that second one

1127
00:50:49,560 --> 00:50:51,160
Speaker 6: was he and the offense were among the best in

1128
00:50:51,200 --> 00:50:54,759
Speaker 6: the entire conference. It's like we have but he's on

1129
00:50:54,840 --> 00:50:57,040
Speaker 6: level seven of ten. If he gets better, then they

1130
00:50:57,040 --> 00:50:58,399
Speaker 6: are a big problem in the South.

1131
00:50:58,640 --> 00:51:00,000
Speaker 3: I think that's the biggest question.

1132
00:51:00,040 --> 00:51:02,520
Speaker 5: Can he be a top five quarterback now for a

1133
00:51:02,560 --> 00:51:04,280
Speaker 5: seventeen game schedule, It's possible.

1134
00:51:04,480 --> 00:51:06,280
Speaker 4: Well, we saw all of it in the comebacks against

1135
00:51:06,320 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 4: Dallas and the one of the playoffs against the Chargers.

1136
00:51:08,320 --> 00:51:11,080
Speaker 4: But they had to come back in the first place, right.

1137
00:51:11,120 --> 00:51:14,080
Speaker 4: They built those deficits because they couldn't necessarily stop those

1138
00:51:14,080 --> 00:51:17,399
Speaker 4: offenses early. And I just wonder has that changed enough?

1139
00:51:17,800 --> 00:51:20,799
Speaker 5: So to me, yes, he's in his third year, But

1140
00:51:20,840 --> 00:51:22,960
Speaker 5: to me that that makes me think he's going to

1141
00:51:23,000 --> 00:51:24,960
Speaker 5: be better in year six and seven. And I'm not

1142
00:51:25,040 --> 00:51:28,320
Speaker 5: as convinced he's as lee out of the gate as Burrow,

1143
00:51:28,480 --> 00:51:31,880
Speaker 5: Herbert Lamar, some of the guys we've seen come up lately.

1144
00:51:32,760 --> 00:51:34,600
Speaker 7: Well, the gate was locked for the first year.

1145
00:51:35,000 --> 00:51:41,279
Speaker 3: Time out, Sessler, and this is the time out that

1146
00:51:41,719 --> 00:51:42,640
Speaker 3: you saved by.

1147
00:51:42,719 --> 00:51:46,480
Speaker 2: Not no, I'm winging it really, I'm like Todd Bowles,

1148
00:51:46,520 --> 00:51:51,440
Speaker 2: real confused and need somebody by my side. I just

1149
00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:54,680
Speaker 2: want to clarify my stance. I get a kick out

1150
00:51:54,719 --> 00:51:57,280
Speaker 2: if you're not liking the Jaguars. I don't love the Jaguars.

1151
00:51:57,280 --> 00:51:59,319
Speaker 2: In fact, if you look at what are the who

1152
00:51:59,320 --> 00:52:03,200
Speaker 2: are the four kind of favorites in the divisions in

1153
00:52:03,239 --> 00:52:07,239
Speaker 2: the AFC, it's the Bills. I guess the Bengals would

1154
00:52:07,280 --> 00:52:12,279
Speaker 2: be the popular pick. Overall, the Jaguars definitely in the South,

1155
00:52:12,320 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 2: and the Chiefs in the West. I would say the

1156
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:17,480
Speaker 2: Jaguars of those four, I think you're definitely in beneath.

1157
00:52:17,520 --> 00:52:19,239
Speaker 3: I think you just hit on it. For me.

1158
00:52:19,920 --> 00:52:22,040
Speaker 5: You can't just pick all the favorites. And there's other

1159
00:52:22,080 --> 00:52:23,040
Speaker 5: three I feel good about.

1160
00:52:23,120 --> 00:52:25,520
Speaker 2: But you can. You could, but you won't.

1161
00:52:25,840 --> 00:52:26,360
Speaker 3: I don't want to.

1162
00:52:26,560 --> 00:52:32,279
Speaker 5: I truly do believe there's a special magic sauce in

1163
00:52:32,360 --> 00:52:34,960
Speaker 5: Tennessee that like, at the end of the year, you're

1164
00:52:35,000 --> 00:52:37,040
Speaker 5: gonna be like, how did they win ten games? Like

1165
00:52:37,080 --> 00:52:40,320
Speaker 5: there's an organizational belief that I have in them.

1166
00:52:40,160 --> 00:52:43,000
Speaker 7: That that I think they've done that. So it's not outrageous.

1167
00:52:43,239 --> 00:52:47,080
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think it'll be interesting to see where the

1168
00:52:47,120 --> 00:52:50,000
Speaker 2: Jaguars come down because I think they are beneficiaries of

1169
00:52:50,040 --> 00:52:51,400
Speaker 2: a much weaker division.

1170
00:52:51,120 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 3: Than in schedule.

1171
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,600
Speaker 5: You're right, I mean, there's opportunity for Tennessee and Jacksonville

1172
00:52:55,640 --> 00:52:58,160
Speaker 5: to have better records than people expect, just because the

1173
00:52:58,160 --> 00:52:59,560
Speaker 5: Colts in Texas could be that bad.

1174
00:52:59,880 --> 00:53:02,319
Speaker 6: The achieve like ride for months at a time over

1175
00:53:02,360 --> 00:53:05,200
Speaker 6: the past couple years with like a bottom five defense,

1176
00:53:05,200 --> 00:53:07,319
Speaker 6: and there's still winning in debtoning fe I mean I'm

1177
00:53:07,360 --> 00:53:10,560
Speaker 6: just not as concerned about the defensive statistics when you've

1178
00:53:10,600 --> 00:53:12,080
Speaker 6: got what they have on offense.

1179
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:14,640
Speaker 2: And Doug Peterson's building something there. He built something in

1180
00:53:14,840 --> 00:53:15,399
Speaker 2: Philly with.

1181
00:53:15,400 --> 00:53:18,680
Speaker 1: Howie literally a new facility open this summer, thank god.

1182
00:53:18,760 --> 00:53:21,000
Speaker 1: And his film name is Soni Electric Complex.

1183
00:53:21,280 --> 00:53:29,640
Speaker 2: All right, let's head to the AFC West. I'm out

1184
00:53:29,640 --> 00:53:33,560
Speaker 2: of the doubting or even softly questioning Mahomes and Andy

1185
00:53:33,600 --> 00:53:36,040
Speaker 2: Reid game. It's a waste of time. I don't care

1186
00:53:36,080 --> 00:53:38,640
Speaker 2: if Travis Kelsey's a year older, or Canarius Tony is

1187
00:53:38,680 --> 00:53:42,160
Speaker 2: a stretch at wide receiver one, or Sky Moore is untested,

1188
00:53:42,280 --> 00:53:44,920
Speaker 2: or that they lost their left tackle and free agency,

1189
00:53:45,000 --> 00:53:48,200
Speaker 2: or and it sounds like doubting Isaiah Chenko, is he

1190
00:53:48,280 --> 00:53:50,840
Speaker 2: ready really to lead the backfield? I don't care whatever.

1191
00:53:51,560 --> 00:53:53,360
Speaker 2: Here's a crazy stat. I don't care about any of

1192
00:53:53,400 --> 00:53:56,560
Speaker 2: those things. Here's a crazy stat from Football Almanac. Last year,

1193
00:53:56,600 --> 00:53:59,480
Speaker 2: the chief saw their offensive DVOA improved from thirteen point

1194
00:53:59,560 --> 00:54:02,160
Speaker 2: six percent to twenty six point two percent, and they're

1195
00:54:02,200 --> 00:54:05,320
Speaker 2: passing DVOA specifically jump up from thirty four to seven

1196
00:54:05,320 --> 00:54:07,640
Speaker 2: to forty one one. That was with Juju Smith, Schuster

1197
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:10,399
Speaker 2: and Marquez Valdi scanting is the top two wide outs

1198
00:54:10,400 --> 00:54:14,360
Speaker 2: and Tyreek Hill putting up seventeen hundred in Miami, it's stupid.

1199
00:54:14,960 --> 00:54:18,360
Speaker 2: The defense is young and perhaps perhaps punched above their

1200
00:54:18,400 --> 00:54:20,600
Speaker 2: weight class a little bit during their Super Bowl run.

1201
00:54:20,640 --> 00:54:24,000
Speaker 2: Then again, they also have maybe just found their footing

1202
00:54:24,160 --> 00:54:26,000
Speaker 2: and they could be even better. Chris Jones, I think

1203
00:54:26,000 --> 00:54:28,000
Speaker 2: he'll be there. La Jarius Snead, and then you have

1204
00:54:28,040 --> 00:54:30,799
Speaker 2: young guns like Trent McDuffie and George Carloftis who really

1205
00:54:30,840 --> 00:54:33,360
Speaker 2: stepped up down the stretch. So yeah, the offense above

1206
00:54:33,440 --> 00:54:37,040
Speaker 2: reproach and the defense has everything necessary to get to

1207
00:54:37,160 --> 00:54:39,680
Speaker 2: a floor of like middle of the pack. That's all

1208
00:54:39,719 --> 00:54:41,640
Speaker 2: you need. My only question, who did the Chiefs play

1209
00:54:41,719 --> 00:54:43,600
Speaker 2: in the AFC Championship win this year?

1210
00:54:44,160 --> 00:54:45,279
Speaker 7: I'm with you one hundred percent.

1211
00:54:45,320 --> 00:54:47,160
Speaker 5: I mean, according to you, the Bengals because you said

1212
00:54:47,160 --> 00:54:49,839
Speaker 5: they're in. Didn't you say it's a fact that what

1213
00:54:49,920 --> 00:54:50,239
Speaker 5: are they?

1214
00:54:50,719 --> 00:54:53,680
Speaker 3: Well, they were the best team in the conference, I

1215
00:54:53,680 --> 00:54:55,080
Speaker 3: believe the one seed.

1216
00:54:55,160 --> 00:54:58,560
Speaker 6: But you can ticket Kansas City, so there's your game. Absolutely,

1217
00:54:58,600 --> 00:55:01,960
Speaker 6: And like I like this way. Andy Reid is unquestionably

1218
00:55:02,320 --> 00:55:04,520
Speaker 6: the best coach in football for me because last year,

1219
00:55:04,520 --> 00:55:06,680
Speaker 6: at this time, in this various exercise, we were like,

1220
00:55:06,920 --> 00:55:08,640
Speaker 6: whoa are the Chiefs? What are they gonna be? Can

1221
00:55:08,640 --> 00:55:11,280
Speaker 6: we trust them anymore? It's like they refashioned their attack

1222
00:55:11,480 --> 00:55:13,000
Speaker 6: in one season and change that we do it now.

1223
00:55:13,000 --> 00:55:15,120
Speaker 6: I see them as more like they might have games

1224
00:55:15,160 --> 00:55:17,400
Speaker 6: where they're a power run game, a run team with

1225
00:55:17,480 --> 00:55:20,640
Speaker 6: Isaiah Pichaco, and then they've got the best interior offensive

1226
00:55:20,640 --> 00:55:22,799
Speaker 6: line in the entire conference and can beat you in

1227
00:55:22,880 --> 00:55:26,200
Speaker 6: new ways. And I simply trust him to take Mahomes,

1228
00:55:26,200 --> 00:55:29,200
Speaker 6: to take guys like Richie James, Kadarius Tony when he's healthy,

1229
00:55:29,320 --> 00:55:30,880
Speaker 6: and the rest of the crew and just find it

1230
00:55:30,920 --> 00:55:34,040
Speaker 6: through the air like there's no weakness, because Patrick Mahomes

1231
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:36,000
Speaker 6: takes the weakness and turns it into a strength. In

1232
00:55:36,040 --> 00:55:38,600
Speaker 6: one week, break his ankle, he's running forty five yards

1233
00:55:38,600 --> 00:55:40,279
Speaker 6: again you in the next for the come on.

1234
00:55:40,440 --> 00:55:42,360
Speaker 5: I think he's gonna have to turn you know, those tackles,

1235
00:55:42,360 --> 00:55:44,239
Speaker 5: I guess could be a question. Juan Taylor right tackle,

1236
00:55:44,239 --> 00:55:47,040
Speaker 5: he should be fine. Donovan Smith left tackle. That's new,

1237
00:55:47,160 --> 00:55:48,799
Speaker 5: but there's not much. I think you hit on some

1238
00:55:48,800 --> 00:55:50,239
Speaker 5: of the names that are key to me. The key

1239
00:55:50,520 --> 00:55:52,520
Speaker 5: for the Chiefs staying where they are is they continued

1240
00:55:52,600 --> 00:55:57,160
Speaker 5: to find these young guys who aren't highly drafted that

1241
00:55:57,239 --> 00:55:59,759
Speaker 5: turn into really good players. McDuffie was a first round pick,

1242
00:55:59,800 --> 00:56:02,440
Speaker 5: but can they develop m McDuffie, can more step up?

1243
00:56:02,480 --> 00:56:04,239
Speaker 3: Can Karloftis step up? Because really he.

1244
00:56:04,280 --> 00:56:08,280
Speaker 5: Was okay last year, he wasn't great twelve. Nick Bolton

1245
00:56:08,360 --> 00:56:10,359
Speaker 5: be like a star. Keep developing these young guys.

1246
00:56:10,400 --> 00:56:12,440
Speaker 1: Yeah, we saw Justin Ross a lot in the preseason.

1247
00:56:12,600 --> 00:56:14,799
Speaker 4: I'm starting to kind of park my ears up about

1248
00:56:14,800 --> 00:56:17,520
Speaker 4: what he's able to accomplish there. I do worry like

1249
00:56:17,880 --> 00:56:20,040
Speaker 4: Patrick Mahomes having to come back from ankle injuries and

1250
00:56:20,080 --> 00:56:22,720
Speaker 4: play through that. We're not you want to see less

1251
00:56:22,840 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 4: of that. It's the fact that it has to happen.

1252
00:56:24,560 --> 00:56:27,239
Speaker 4: But we're in Belichick lamb with retreads. We got Matt

1253
00:56:27,320 --> 00:56:31,680
Speaker 4: Nagy back an offensive coordinator. It's the parallels.

1254
00:56:32,840 --> 00:56:35,040
Speaker 1: He was looking. I think you got away. Yeah, I

1255
00:56:35,120 --> 00:56:38,480
Speaker 1: was trying to stink it in there. Oh all right, justin.

1256
00:56:38,360 --> 00:56:40,440
Speaker 7: One of the most I got a huge clock to

1257
00:56:40,480 --> 00:56:40,839
Speaker 7: the left.

1258
00:56:40,840 --> 00:56:42,239
Speaker 3: I'm watching you guys over here.

1259
00:56:43,000 --> 00:56:44,320
Speaker 1: Our clock is not reflective.

1260
00:56:44,360 --> 00:56:46,880
Speaker 6: I guess I think it's fair for the producers to

1261
00:56:46,880 --> 00:56:49,279
Speaker 6: start to get a little, you know, irritated with us,

1262
00:56:49,280 --> 00:56:50,520
Speaker 6: and he sounded a little irritated.

1263
00:56:50,560 --> 00:56:51,279
Speaker 2: Right there. It's good.

1264
00:56:51,320 --> 00:56:53,360
Speaker 3: I'm giving hi leeway. This's a it's a weird chime.

1265
00:56:53,520 --> 00:56:59,320
Speaker 2: It's not really precise at the zero excuses, two excuses

1266
00:56:59,320 --> 00:57:05,680
Speaker 2: and right not fight. All right, we move on to

1267
00:57:05,920 --> 00:57:08,719
Speaker 2: the Los Angeles super Chargers.

1268
00:57:08,840 --> 00:57:11,160
Speaker 4: Okay, so the Chargers just picked up a cast of

1269
00:57:11,320 --> 00:57:14,759
Speaker 4: other teams discarded linebackers. Brandon Staley's defense was twenty first

1270
00:57:14,800 --> 00:57:17,600
Speaker 4: in points allowed last year finish twenty eighth in yards

1271
00:57:17,600 --> 00:57:20,840
Speaker 4: allowed dead lasting yards per attempt allowed last year at

1272
00:57:20,840 --> 00:57:24,320
Speaker 4: five point four. If that trend continues, what change does

1273
00:57:24,360 --> 00:57:27,640
Speaker 4: Brandon Staley make or is the only change left to

1274
00:57:27,680 --> 00:57:29,200
Speaker 4: make regarding the Chargers defense?

1275
00:57:29,280 --> 00:57:30,760
Speaker 1: The head coaching position.

1276
00:57:30,400 --> 00:57:33,640
Speaker 5: It's whoa when you see your houser attempt you mean

1277
00:57:33,680 --> 00:57:35,880
Speaker 5: on the ground? Yeah, yeah, okay here it's per carry.

1278
00:57:37,280 --> 00:57:39,880
Speaker 5: Well that I guess answers. The question I would ask

1279
00:57:39,920 --> 00:57:42,520
Speaker 5: you them is like, why not the Chargers? I don't

1280
00:57:42,960 --> 00:57:47,760
Speaker 5: I think they look pretty good on paper defensively, You're right,

1281
00:57:47,920 --> 00:57:50,640
Speaker 5: have they done enough to It's not really much of

1282
00:57:50,680 --> 00:57:53,919
Speaker 5: a different crew in terms of stopping the run. They're

1283
00:57:53,960 --> 00:57:55,560
Speaker 5: just gonna have to coach it better. They're gonna have

1284
00:57:55,600 --> 00:57:57,960
Speaker 5: to be healthier out of Bosa, a little better out

1285
00:57:58,000 --> 00:58:00,560
Speaker 5: of Mac. I think linebacker they can certainly proved. But

1286
00:58:00,880 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 5: to me, it's hard to see a lot of holes

1287
00:58:03,040 --> 00:58:03,880
Speaker 5: on this team.

1288
00:58:04,040 --> 00:58:04,120
Speaker 1: No.

1289
00:58:04,200 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 6: I mean, they poured all that money into the defense

1290
00:58:06,800 --> 00:58:08,800
Speaker 6: a year ago and got all these pieces that you know,

1291
00:58:09,120 --> 00:58:11,360
Speaker 6: they knew Staley if you're you know Mac, like all

1292
00:58:11,360 --> 00:58:14,160
Speaker 6: these guys, and it was a disaster. They were like

1293
00:58:14,200 --> 00:58:16,760
Speaker 6: a That had to be one of the biggest disappointments

1294
00:58:16,960 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 6: in the AFC was LA's defense under Stalian. Like, there's

1295
00:58:20,760 --> 00:58:22,760
Speaker 6: a lot of pressure there, but I think a lot

1296
00:58:22,760 --> 00:58:24,440
Speaker 6: of it is that I from the on the other

1297
00:58:24,480 --> 00:58:26,640
Speaker 6: side of the ball that I think the Kellen Moore

1298
00:58:26,640 --> 00:58:29,360
Speaker 6: and Justin Herbert thing is going to work. And I mean,

1299
00:58:29,440 --> 00:58:31,360
Speaker 6: so much of what was depressing about this team a

1300
00:58:31,440 --> 00:58:33,760
Speaker 6: year ago was how they handled early downs, how Justin

1301
00:58:33,800 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 6: Herbert was kind of pocketed in. I think you can

1302
00:58:35,800 --> 00:58:37,600
Speaker 6: unleash him. He's going to be healthy. He was not

1303
00:58:37,680 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 6: healthy for a month plus two months of last year.

1304
00:58:40,040 --> 00:58:41,160
Speaker 6: That's where this thing starts.

1305
00:58:42,760 --> 00:58:45,760
Speaker 2: I think they get the reverse like tax that I

1306
00:58:45,840 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 2: just was talking about the Chiefs like Greg your quote

1307
00:58:47,800 --> 00:58:50,040
Speaker 2: just and I think they look better on paper. It's

1308
00:58:50,080 --> 00:58:52,600
Speaker 2: like this happens every year and then something happens, either

1309
00:58:52,680 --> 00:58:56,640
Speaker 2: by bad luck or poor play or slumps. It's like,

1310
00:58:57,160 --> 00:58:59,160
Speaker 2: is this the year the Charges finally shut up and

1311
00:58:59,240 --> 00:59:01,960
Speaker 2: just take this rock and maximize it. I'd like to

1312
00:59:02,000 --> 00:59:03,959
Speaker 2: see it, but I'm still used to it not working

1313
00:59:04,040 --> 00:59:05,520
Speaker 2: out that you just assume that it won't.

1314
00:59:05,600 --> 00:59:07,920
Speaker 5: I think the difference to me is the offensive line

1315
00:59:08,240 --> 00:59:12,280
Speaker 5: on paper again, but it's based on how these players

1316
00:59:12,320 --> 00:59:16,240
Speaker 5: have performed. Looks great, like I think this could be,

1317
00:59:16,360 --> 00:59:18,440
Speaker 5: like they have a chance. I'm sure they don't have

1318
00:59:18,480 --> 00:59:20,920
Speaker 5: odds in Vegas for this, but I would take the

1319
00:59:20,960 --> 00:59:23,920
Speaker 5: odds that, like the Chargers finished first in DVA for

1320
00:59:24,400 --> 00:59:26,640
Speaker 5: offense just because they probably would be the ninth or

1321
00:59:26,640 --> 00:59:28,800
Speaker 5: tenth favorite, And to me, they have a chance. They

1322
00:59:28,800 --> 00:59:31,920
Speaker 5: are that talented at every position on offense and have

1323
00:59:32,000 --> 00:59:34,080
Speaker 5: a quarterback who I think, can you know, compete for

1324
00:59:34,080 --> 00:59:35,320
Speaker 5: an MVP right now.

1325
00:59:35,400 --> 00:59:38,240
Speaker 2: You know what spooked me a little bit on Fantasy

1326
00:59:38,320 --> 00:59:42,480
Speaker 2: draft days was Austin Eckler twenty touchdowns eighteen touchdown. How

1327
00:59:42,520 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 2: many running backs have three straight years with that amount

1328
00:59:45,480 --> 00:59:48,440
Speaker 2: of workload and that success. Is he going to be

1329
00:59:48,480 --> 00:59:50,680
Speaker 2: able to keep it up? And what's a pivotal season

1330
00:59:50,680 --> 00:59:51,040
Speaker 2: for him.

1331
00:59:51,200 --> 00:59:53,400
Speaker 5: Probably not, but they've showed a little bit more of

1332
00:59:53,440 --> 00:59:55,440
Speaker 5: like a power North South running game. I think the

1333
00:59:55,440 --> 00:59:56,760
Speaker 5: other guys will get more involved.

1334
00:59:57,120 --> 00:59:59,880
Speaker 4: But again, the even with Joe Lombardi, the offense did

1335
01:00:00,040 --> 01:00:01,440
Speaker 4: everything it needed to do to have a lead in

1336
01:00:01,480 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 4: the playoffs.

1337
01:00:02,040 --> 01:00:03,439
Speaker 1: In the defense let them down.

1338
01:00:03,760 --> 01:00:07,320
Speaker 5: I think the answer your question, the answer is if

1339
01:00:07,360 --> 01:00:09,880
Speaker 5: the defense doesn't work, yeah, they should get rid of them.

1340
01:00:09,920 --> 01:00:17,400
Speaker 1: Defensive masterminds got it back. That was one from last time.

1341
01:00:17,920 --> 01:00:21,600
Speaker 5: Uh the ratas Greg Rosenthal, all right, are we buying

1342
01:00:21,840 --> 01:00:24,880
Speaker 5: any defensive improvement from the Raiders. One of the most

1343
01:00:24,880 --> 01:00:28,960
Speaker 5: surprising storylines to me of the preseason was how consistently

1344
01:00:29,360 --> 01:00:32,320
Speaker 5: good they looked in practice and in the preseason to

1345
01:00:32,400 --> 01:00:34,360
Speaker 5: it to the point where I'm starting to buy into it.

1346
01:00:34,400 --> 01:00:36,920
Speaker 5: You start off with Max Crosby, Chandler Jones, and Tyree

1347
01:00:36,920 --> 01:00:40,400
Speaker 5: Wilson who's now come back and looked pretty good. And

1348
01:00:40,120 --> 01:00:44,280
Speaker 5: a coordinator if you don't remember, Patrick Graham, who's had.

1349
01:00:44,160 --> 01:00:46,600
Speaker 3: Some big ups in the NFL and big downs.

1350
01:00:46,600 --> 01:00:48,880
Speaker 5: But I would describe his system as maybe a little

1351
01:00:49,160 --> 01:00:52,080
Speaker 5: too complicated. Maybe year one you got through a little

1352
01:00:52,080 --> 01:00:54,920
Speaker 5: bit of that, and maybe he's got players who know

1353
01:00:54,960 --> 01:00:57,720
Speaker 5: what to do now, because if they are a decent defense,

1354
01:00:57,880 --> 01:01:00,360
Speaker 5: if we're buying it, is anyone buying it could be

1355
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:04,960
Speaker 5: competitive at least not really okay because the players don't

1356
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:05,920
Speaker 5: look great on paper.

1357
01:01:06,080 --> 01:01:08,640
Speaker 3: But defense is more than just like the roster.

1358
01:01:08,840 --> 01:01:10,320
Speaker 6: You know what I feel like, if you lose, like

1359
01:01:10,640 --> 01:01:12,880
Speaker 6: you go, you go about two or three deep on

1360
01:01:12,920 --> 01:01:15,720
Speaker 6: this defense, if you lose Max Crosby for two months,

1361
01:01:15,840 --> 01:01:17,680
Speaker 6: or you lose Marcus Peters, Like.

1362
01:01:19,160 --> 01:01:20,479
Speaker 7: Yeah, but the no, there's teams.

1363
01:01:20,520 --> 01:01:22,560
Speaker 6: There's teams that I think you could say on defense,

1364
01:01:22,600 --> 01:01:24,960
Speaker 6: you've got like the Jets defensive line. We talk about

1365
01:01:25,040 --> 01:01:27,960
Speaker 6: layers of players, like this is like a really Jenga

1366
01:01:28,280 --> 01:01:30,760
Speaker 6: piece type defense with one or two guys and like also,

1367
01:01:30,920 --> 01:01:33,520
Speaker 6: you know, I guess that's one area where like preseason

1368
01:01:33,560 --> 01:01:36,720
Speaker 6: practice or preseason games and like camp practices where they're

1369
01:01:36,760 --> 01:01:37,200
Speaker 6: looking good.

1370
01:01:37,280 --> 01:01:41,640
Speaker 2: All right, I definitely to Mark's cynicism around the Raider

1371
01:01:41,720 --> 01:01:45,200
Speaker 2: is like putting too much in the preseason on how

1372
01:01:45,240 --> 01:01:48,000
Speaker 2: the defense looks. But you're saying also camp reports and

1373
01:01:48,000 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 2: what the beat reporters.

1374
01:01:49,040 --> 01:01:50,600
Speaker 3: More about the practices and stuff.

1375
01:01:50,640 --> 01:01:54,520
Speaker 5: Now, granted, these weeks of practice were against the offense,

1376
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:57,160
Speaker 5: but it was partly the two joint practices too, that

1377
01:01:57,200 --> 01:01:59,960
Speaker 5: they were just like Okay, I don't know, well, I.

1378
01:02:00,080 --> 01:02:01,480
Speaker 3: Don't think I don't think they're terrible.

1379
01:02:01,560 --> 01:02:03,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, there's so much talk about the Raiders being one

1380
01:02:03,480 --> 01:02:04,960
Speaker 2: of the worst teams in the league. Is there a

1381
01:02:05,000 --> 01:02:07,920
Speaker 2: path to them surprising and hanging around to the wild

1382
01:02:07,960 --> 01:02:08,560
Speaker 2: card race?

1383
01:02:08,600 --> 01:02:11,960
Speaker 4: Patrick, Yeah, I think that might be a little bit

1384
01:02:12,120 --> 01:02:15,800
Speaker 4: too far. It's just a team in transition, and every

1385
01:02:15,800 --> 01:02:19,280
Speaker 4: single year it's become more accepted. The defense isn't going

1386
01:02:19,320 --> 01:02:22,080
Speaker 4: to be as sticky and there's a little bit easier

1387
01:02:23,040 --> 01:02:25,520
Speaker 4: to turn a defense around. But I think maybe we

1388
01:02:25,560 --> 01:02:27,880
Speaker 4: should give more credit to the defenses who are consistent

1389
01:02:28,000 --> 01:02:31,919
Speaker 4: year over year because of that. Uh, And I don't

1390
01:02:31,920 --> 01:02:33,880
Speaker 4: know if I've seen enough to make that determination.

1391
01:02:33,920 --> 01:02:35,840
Speaker 5: Well, now, they need Jimmy G to be better than

1392
01:02:36,120 --> 01:02:39,560
Speaker 5: Derek Carr. I think there is a world where Jimmy

1393
01:02:39,560 --> 01:02:42,680
Speaker 5: G is better than Derek. Actually, I expect him to

1394
01:02:42,680 --> 01:02:44,760
Speaker 5: be better than Derek Carr was for the Raiders.

1395
01:02:44,760 --> 01:02:46,080
Speaker 7: People are so low on Jimmy G.

1396
01:02:46,280 --> 01:02:47,840
Speaker 1: Do you expect him to be better than Derek Carr

1397
01:02:47,840 --> 01:02:48,200
Speaker 1: this year?

1398
01:02:49,960 --> 01:02:51,120
Speaker 3: I think it's about the same.

1399
01:02:51,200 --> 01:02:53,800
Speaker 5: Yeah, I don't like to say I expect them to

1400
01:02:53,800 --> 01:02:55,240
Speaker 5: be an upgrade from what they had a year ago.

1401
01:02:55,240 --> 01:02:56,320
Speaker 3: And they still have Devanta Adams.

1402
01:02:56,320 --> 01:02:58,439
Speaker 6: They have Judgy yeah, and DeVante Adams, who were months

1403
01:02:58,440 --> 01:03:00,360
Speaker 6: removed from saying that he's simply going to have to

1404
01:03:00,400 --> 01:03:03,120
Speaker 6: buy into this and try to be as optimistic as possible.

1405
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,680
Speaker 6: I just think there's a couple of like ticking time

1406
01:03:05,720 --> 01:03:07,800
Speaker 6: bombs all over this place, and it starts with Josh

1407
01:03:07,920 --> 01:03:09,640
Speaker 6: McDaniels and his people skills.

1408
01:03:09,680 --> 01:03:12,600
Speaker 5: We did that. We did that. The kids draft. Uh Dan,

1409
01:03:13,040 --> 01:03:15,120
Speaker 5: my kids are in the same fantasy. Divanta Adams is

1410
01:03:15,120 --> 01:03:18,440
Speaker 5: still sitting there like late in the second, like the

1411
01:03:18,520 --> 01:03:20,600
Speaker 5: radio is out there active.

1412
01:03:20,680 --> 01:03:28,920
Speaker 2: Josh Jacobs back. Did anybody say give up? I mean,

1413
01:03:28,960 --> 01:03:30,480
Speaker 2: one of the best players in the league last year,

1414
01:03:31,360 --> 01:03:35,960
Speaker 2: back and happy and paid. I'm happy, man, No effect Wait,

1415
01:03:36,040 --> 01:03:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm disrespecting the game.

1416
01:03:37,120 --> 01:03:37,760
Speaker 7: Yeah you are.

1417
01:03:37,880 --> 01:03:38,440
Speaker 2: Can't do it.

1418
01:03:38,840 --> 01:03:40,960
Speaker 5: But you know, Josh, you made you were the one

1419
01:03:40,960 --> 01:03:43,080
Speaker 5: that made the biggest speech about respecting the drink.

1420
01:03:43,320 --> 01:03:45,200
Speaker 2: I know. I just wanted to say, Josh Jacobs is back.

1421
01:03:45,240 --> 01:03:48,520
Speaker 6: We could the messages and don't I'm on your side,

1422
01:03:48,560 --> 01:03:49,800
Speaker 6: but it's just like shooting me.

1423
01:03:49,880 --> 01:03:54,600
Speaker 5: Well we said I did say it.

1424
01:03:53,440 --> 01:03:54,200
Speaker 2: All right last time?

1425
01:03:54,240 --> 01:03:54,439
Speaker 1: Out.

1426
01:03:55,440 --> 01:03:57,760
Speaker 2: Jimmy Garoppolo is better than Derek Carr.

1427
01:03:58,360 --> 01:04:00,800
Speaker 5: I think he will be an upgrade. Okay, Eric Carr

1428
01:04:01,200 --> 01:04:02,600
Speaker 5: with the Raiders in twenty twenty two.

1429
01:04:03,000 --> 01:04:05,160
Speaker 2: Day Adams one of the top five wide receivers in

1430
01:04:05,160 --> 01:04:09,680
Speaker 2: the sport. Yes, yes, Josh Jacobs at least the Josh

1431
01:04:09,760 --> 01:04:12,080
Speaker 2: Jacobs one of the top running backs in the sport.

1432
01:04:12,720 --> 01:04:14,920
Speaker 2: Max Crosby one of the best edge rushers in the sport.

1433
01:04:15,760 --> 01:04:16,959
Speaker 2: I'm saying, there is.

1434
01:04:17,360 --> 01:04:19,120
Speaker 3: The highest ticket price in the sport.

1435
01:04:19,640 --> 01:04:23,200
Speaker 2: Sure, sure there is a there is. I think a

1436
01:04:23,280 --> 01:04:26,280
Speaker 2: case to be made that there's enough talent, top tier

1437
01:04:26,360 --> 01:04:31,240
Speaker 2: talent to maybe lift all boats to mediocrity. I'm just saying, like.

1438
01:04:31,200 --> 01:04:34,680
Speaker 7: That that's better than the old runs.

1439
01:04:35,120 --> 01:04:37,280
Speaker 2: But not every team needs to have like Super Bowl

1440
01:04:37,320 --> 01:04:40,640
Speaker 2: aspirations every year, Like if they is a transition year,

1441
01:04:40,640 --> 01:04:43,320
Speaker 2: if they can fight for a wild card in January,

1442
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:45,840
Speaker 2: even if they fall short, I think maybe that's success

1443
01:04:45,880 --> 01:04:48,120
Speaker 2: for this team, because I don't. I think Roppolo's a bridge.

1444
01:04:48,160 --> 01:04:50,080
Speaker 2: I think that's all he is, and then they can

1445
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:53,000
Speaker 2: figure out what their next big step is. At QBIT, they.

1446
01:04:52,840 --> 01:04:55,439
Speaker 6: Fit perfectly as a team that will win just enough

1447
01:04:55,480 --> 01:04:57,959
Speaker 6: games to disappoint in terms of the standings, but also

1448
01:04:58,040 --> 01:04:59,480
Speaker 6: be out of the running for one of the great

1449
01:04:59,520 --> 01:05:01,240
Speaker 6: college cour uarterbacks next year's draft.

1450
01:05:01,680 --> 01:05:05,360
Speaker 2: That's a blueprint. Yeah, but I thought you said they're

1451
01:05:05,360 --> 01:05:06,640
Speaker 2: going to be horrendous.

1452
01:05:06,880 --> 01:05:07,640
Speaker 7: I think they could be.

1453
01:05:07,880 --> 01:05:10,320
Speaker 6: I'm saying that all these things that you're ticketing off,

1454
01:05:10,480 --> 01:05:12,960
Speaker 6: which they had last year, by the way, come to

1455
01:05:13,000 --> 01:05:15,400
Speaker 6: fruition in a more glorious way than last year.

1456
01:05:15,520 --> 01:05:16,400
Speaker 7: They win seven games.

1457
01:05:16,440 --> 01:05:19,440
Speaker 3: It's a tough conference. It's a tough one conference.

1458
01:05:19,920 --> 01:05:22,920
Speaker 2: Tough is a tough conference. We got one more team.

1459
01:05:22,920 --> 01:05:26,800
Speaker 2: We got one more team, and that team is the

1460
01:05:26,880 --> 01:05:28,880
Speaker 2: Denver Broncos with Mark Sessler.

1461
01:05:29,120 --> 01:05:33,600
Speaker 6: All Right, last year's coaching staff disaster much renowned in

1462
01:05:33,640 --> 01:05:37,000
Speaker 6: some way, but to this year's Sean Payton regime, Okay,

1463
01:05:37,240 --> 01:05:39,680
Speaker 6: I think it might be the biggest leap I can

1464
01:05:39,720 --> 01:05:43,200
Speaker 6: recall in sort like a talent jump, maybe outside of

1465
01:05:43,240 --> 01:05:45,440
Speaker 6: like the Urban Meyer thing that we talked about in Jacksonville.

1466
01:05:45,600 --> 01:05:47,640
Speaker 6: And we don't know what will happen with Russell Wilson,

1467
01:05:47,880 --> 01:05:50,000
Speaker 6: but I think number one, the only evidence we have

1468
01:05:50,080 --> 01:05:51,800
Speaker 6: is that his body looks like he looks he went

1469
01:05:51,800 --> 01:05:53,520
Speaker 6: and got in shape, and I think it's going to

1470
01:05:53,560 --> 01:05:54,800
Speaker 6: solve some of the issues.

1471
01:05:54,480 --> 01:05:59,320
Speaker 2: From very hot here, he looks very tight. Congratulations, Absolutely,

1472
01:05:59,360 --> 01:06:01,600
Speaker 2: it's a good job by her. But I do have

1473
01:06:01,640 --> 01:06:05,160
Speaker 2: this twenty years of evidence telling me that Sean Payton

1474
01:06:05,280 --> 01:06:07,720
Speaker 2: is better than ninety percent of other coaches in the NFL,

1475
01:06:08,000 --> 01:06:09,960
Speaker 2: And so I think if even if RUSS is somewhere

1476
01:06:10,120 --> 01:06:13,000
Speaker 2: between like good Russ from a while back and last

1477
01:06:13,080 --> 01:06:16,640
Speaker 2: year's Russ. This is an AFC team that has an

1478
01:06:16,680 --> 01:06:18,680
Speaker 2: offensive line that is not perfect, but they're kind of

1479
01:06:18,720 --> 01:06:21,520
Speaker 2: built to mal people on the ground, and I trust

1480
01:06:21,760 --> 01:06:26,000
Speaker 2: Sean Payton to find ways outside of just Russell Wilson

1481
01:06:26,200 --> 01:06:30,080
Speaker 2: to win games. I feel like my I had this

1482
01:06:30,160 --> 01:06:33,479
Speaker 2: weird arrow up on the Denver Broncos after really being

1483
01:06:33,520 --> 01:06:35,200
Speaker 2: bored by the whole concept for months.

1484
01:06:35,600 --> 01:06:37,600
Speaker 7: Am I a fool to think this?

1485
01:06:39,560 --> 01:06:42,840
Speaker 5: I don't see it unless yeah, unless coaching is just

1486
01:06:42,920 --> 01:06:45,560
Speaker 5: that important. They're a great test. I mean, he said

1487
01:06:45,560 --> 01:06:47,640
Speaker 5: it's one of the worst. He's one of the worst

1488
01:06:47,680 --> 01:06:51,800
Speaker 5: coaching jobs in history according to Sean Payton's which is like, look,

1489
01:06:51,960 --> 01:06:54,640
Speaker 5: if you don't win more than five or six games,

1490
01:06:54,680 --> 01:06:57,520
Speaker 5: then you're now the worst coaching job in history.

1491
01:06:58,120 --> 01:06:58,800
Speaker 3: Sean Payton.

1492
01:06:59,720 --> 01:07:01,440
Speaker 5: I just I don't see a lot of position groups

1493
01:07:01,440 --> 01:07:04,360
Speaker 5: when I go through them that are above average, it

1494
01:07:04,440 --> 01:07:06,200
Speaker 5: doesn't look like a great roster to me. They have

1495
01:07:06,200 --> 01:07:08,680
Speaker 5: a couple great they have a good safety justin Simmons.

1496
01:07:08,760 --> 01:07:11,440
Speaker 5: You have Patrick Sartan in the secondary. After that, it's like,

1497
01:07:11,440 --> 01:07:13,160
Speaker 5: what am I excited about on this team? I don't

1498
01:07:13,200 --> 01:07:13,959
Speaker 5: know if they're in the coach.

1499
01:07:13,960 --> 01:07:15,560
Speaker 2: I don't know if it's fair to even if they

1500
01:07:15,600 --> 01:07:17,280
Speaker 2: didn't have a good year this year, to put it

1501
01:07:17,280 --> 01:07:19,360
Speaker 2: on Peyton because you got to build the program. I mean,

1502
01:07:19,360 --> 01:07:20,440
Speaker 2: even Sean Payton.

1503
01:07:20,440 --> 01:07:23,080
Speaker 5: They win five games after he says winning five games

1504
01:07:23,120 --> 01:07:24,560
Speaker 5: was the worst coaching job in history.

1505
01:07:24,680 --> 01:07:25,120
Speaker 2: Tough sitch.

1506
01:07:25,120 --> 01:07:25,720
Speaker 3: I'm putting it on.

1507
01:07:25,720 --> 01:07:28,280
Speaker 2: It's a tough sitch. But remember before they hit on

1508
01:07:28,320 --> 01:07:32,320
Speaker 2: that big draft in UH twenty seventeen, he had back

1509
01:07:32,360 --> 01:07:34,560
Speaker 2: to back to back seven and nine years with New Orleans.

1510
01:07:34,560 --> 01:07:36,840
Speaker 2: I mean, he's not not like he's never failed in

1511
01:07:36,840 --> 01:07:40,240
Speaker 2: his life or had teams that were didn't reach the playoffs.

1512
01:07:40,240 --> 01:07:41,880
Speaker 2: So like, it's all I say.

1513
01:07:41,840 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 6: Over seven and nine teams was that the offense was

1514
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:47,240
Speaker 6: still Sean Payton's offense. Those defenses were an absolute disaster

1515
01:07:47,320 --> 01:07:50,320
Speaker 6: during that stretch. But I think the most delicious thing

1516
01:07:50,360 --> 01:07:52,280
Speaker 6: if he rips the coaching staff that won five games,

1517
01:07:52,320 --> 01:07:53,640
Speaker 6: then he won five games.

1518
01:07:53,640 --> 01:07:55,600
Speaker 2: Just he doesn't have Drew Brees anymore either.

1519
01:07:55,880 --> 01:07:57,840
Speaker 4: And that was and that was in an era in

1520
01:07:57,880 --> 01:08:00,400
Speaker 4: the NFC South where you had like Matt Ryan Julio

1521
01:08:00,400 --> 01:08:00,919
Speaker 4: at their peak.

1522
01:08:01,040 --> 01:08:04,520
Speaker 1: He had Cam coming up, and so there was explanation.

1523
01:08:04,680 --> 01:08:07,120
Speaker 4: But also now in the AFC West, it's not it's

1524
01:08:07,160 --> 01:08:11,640
Speaker 4: necessarily an easy situation there. I think they can clearly

1525
01:08:11,680 --> 01:08:13,760
Speaker 4: be better than they were last year, but is there

1526
01:08:13,840 --> 01:08:16,680
Speaker 4: enough improvement to kind of heal all those wounds from

1527
01:08:16,720 --> 01:08:18,560
Speaker 4: when we were saying, oh, the Broncos are going to

1528
01:08:18,600 --> 01:08:19,960
Speaker 4: be Super Bowl contenders and they.

1529
01:08:19,840 --> 01:08:21,400
Speaker 1: Were miserable.

1530
01:08:23,520 --> 01:08:27,680
Speaker 5: Bronco's Raiders Week one, sneaky fun. I don't know what

1531
01:08:27,800 --> 01:08:28,280
Speaker 5: I'm getting.

1532
01:08:30,200 --> 01:08:31,720
Speaker 2: It's over so I can talk about this and that

1533
01:08:34,680 --> 01:08:39,360
Speaker 2: people love love to chicken and egg Belichick, Brady, but

1534
01:08:39,439 --> 01:08:41,759
Speaker 2: we don't really talk about Sean Payton and all success

1535
01:08:41,800 --> 01:08:43,800
Speaker 2: coming with Drew Brees, one of the greatest pastors who's

1536
01:08:43,800 --> 01:08:46,519
Speaker 2: ever lived. How's he going to do without Drew Brees.

1537
01:08:48,080 --> 01:08:52,240
Speaker 5: I think it's partly because his record without Drew Brees

1538
01:08:52,320 --> 01:08:55,640
Speaker 5: was so good in those last few years, although that

1539
01:08:55,680 --> 01:08:58,400
Speaker 5: was true of Belichick in the Brady Era too. This

1540
01:08:58,479 --> 01:08:59,720
Speaker 5: record was great without.

1541
01:09:00,040 --> 01:09:03,400
Speaker 6: Coach up Teddy coached up Winston. It's like, I don't know,

1542
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:07,320
Speaker 6: like I didn't. I think Sean Payton is not for

1543
01:09:07,400 --> 01:09:09,679
Speaker 6: me in a world where suddenly I think without one player,

1544
01:09:09,760 --> 01:09:11,479
Speaker 6: he's got no ability to coach, right.

1545
01:09:11,560 --> 01:09:13,320
Speaker 2: I don't like that argument. That's why I don't do

1546
01:09:13,400 --> 01:09:16,400
Speaker 2: that with Belichick. I'm just saying like that was a

1547
01:09:16,800 --> 01:09:20,799
Speaker 2: massive advantage that he had. Drew Brees was an incredible player,

1548
01:09:20,800 --> 01:09:23,120
Speaker 2: and I and you could also say, well, Drew Brees

1549
01:09:23,160 --> 01:09:25,200
Speaker 2: gonna become incredible player until you got in New Orleans.

1550
01:09:25,280 --> 01:09:27,439
Speaker 2: That's fair too. It'll just be fun to see Sean

1551
01:09:27,439 --> 01:09:29,920
Speaker 2: Payton with a fresh start a new QB, whether it

1552
01:09:30,000 --> 01:09:35,160
Speaker 2: is Russell Wilson or who's the Fellows, if they they

1553
01:09:35,280 --> 01:09:38,960
Speaker 2: recruited over from Jared Stidham or whoever comes next down

1554
01:09:39,000 --> 01:09:39,280
Speaker 2: the line.

1555
01:09:39,360 --> 01:09:41,840
Speaker 6: If if Wilson fails, though, Sean Payton will not be taking

1556
01:09:41,840 --> 01:09:44,360
Speaker 6: any credit for that, Like I guarantee there would be

1557
01:09:44,360 --> 01:09:45,840
Speaker 6: any you know that's.

1558
01:09:45,600 --> 01:09:47,440
Speaker 2: Called Jared Stidham a fellow.

1559
01:09:47,120 --> 01:09:50,120
Speaker 5: I always am a little wary because of the historical

1560
01:09:50,160 --> 01:09:55,400
Speaker 5: precedent of a coach taking a huge contract as he's

1561
01:09:55,479 --> 01:09:58,040
Speaker 5: hitting you know, he's getting to his sixties with a

1562
01:09:58,040 --> 01:10:01,879
Speaker 5: lot of previous success in an NFL history that hasn't

1563
01:10:01,920 --> 01:10:05,479
Speaker 5: generally worked for the teams doing it, coaches in a

1564
01:10:05,560 --> 01:10:09,639
Speaker 5: new spot after they've already achieved a lot, and oh,

1565
01:10:09,640 --> 01:10:11,759
Speaker 5: by the way, he was like their third or fourth choice.

1566
01:10:12,400 --> 01:10:13,280
Speaker 3: That part was weird.

1567
01:10:13,320 --> 01:10:15,719
Speaker 6: That part was My mind goes to Jimmy Johnson's Dolphins

1568
01:10:15,720 --> 01:10:17,559
Speaker 6: that I believe the last game he coached, like Dan

1569
01:10:17,640 --> 01:10:20,240
Speaker 6: Marino lost in the playoffs, like seventy one to ten

1570
01:10:20,320 --> 01:10:21,040
Speaker 6: to the Jaguars.

1571
01:10:21,320 --> 01:10:24,640
Speaker 2: Right, there's also like a very depending on who you

1572
01:10:24,680 --> 01:10:26,559
Speaker 2: are and where you stand on what a head coach

1573
01:10:26,600 --> 01:10:30,080
Speaker 2: should be doing. Disturbing Draft time video that rolled out

1574
01:10:30,600 --> 01:10:33,800
Speaker 2: also fine completely of course you would say, I'm just

1575
01:10:33,800 --> 01:10:38,200
Speaker 2: saying a completely insane, unhinged interview and which he wasn't

1576
01:10:38,240 --> 01:10:42,160
Speaker 2: wrong about Nathaniel Hackett, but like completely like the type

1577
01:10:42,200 --> 01:10:44,040
Speaker 2: of interview for you you give when maybe you're not

1578
01:10:44,080 --> 01:10:49,439
Speaker 2: thinking clearly, we good, everything good, well, we good.

1579
01:10:49,439 --> 01:10:52,920
Speaker 1: Un precious it's it's wild to say that we good.

1580
01:10:53,160 --> 01:10:55,479
Speaker 1: We literally agree with everything that he said.

1581
01:10:55,920 --> 01:10:59,120
Speaker 2: It's not just about what he said, it's you know

1582
01:10:59,200 --> 01:11:01,360
Speaker 2: who he said it to. And then not having the

1583
01:11:01,360 --> 01:11:04,400
Speaker 2: good sense to understand that was going to make just

1584
01:11:04,600 --> 01:11:06,720
Speaker 2: massive waves that him and his team didn't need to

1585
01:11:06,720 --> 01:11:07,040
Speaker 2: deal with.

1586
01:11:07,160 --> 01:11:09,800
Speaker 4: Well, I hope, like everybody has cried sufficient tears over

1587
01:11:09,920 --> 01:11:12,240
Speaker 4: at this point because it was a whole thing, and

1588
01:11:12,560 --> 01:11:14,679
Speaker 4: I can't remember anybody saying he was wrong.

1589
01:11:14,720 --> 01:11:18,160
Speaker 1: Everybone's like, well, just don't you it's a code?

1590
01:11:18,240 --> 01:11:18,519
Speaker 2: Yeah?

1591
01:11:18,680 --> 01:11:21,919
Speaker 1: Is this baseball now? Like I'm so confused by it.

1592
01:11:22,280 --> 01:11:24,840
Speaker 5: Well, I'm not going to acknowledge Sean on that giving

1593
01:11:25,160 --> 01:11:27,640
Speaker 5: he's giving off and believe I believe he has a

1594
01:11:27,640 --> 01:11:30,760
Speaker 5: difference maker as an offensive coach, and I believe his

1595
01:11:31,240 --> 01:11:34,880
Speaker 5: Bill Parcells in autumn vibes that he's giving off a

1596
01:11:34,920 --> 01:11:37,400
Speaker 5: little Dallas, a little Miami even as an exect.

1597
01:11:37,479 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 3: Like I love that the NFL can use that. Let's

1598
01:11:40,520 --> 01:11:41,000
Speaker 3: have fun.

1599
01:11:41,080 --> 01:11:43,360
Speaker 4: It's well, now that he's been sufficiently punished for it,

1600
01:11:43,400 --> 01:11:44,240
Speaker 4: no coach is going to.

1601
01:11:44,240 --> 01:11:46,800
Speaker 2: Say and he apologized too, and he was going to

1602
01:11:46,840 --> 01:11:49,160
Speaker 2: maybe reach out as well. I don't know if I

1603
01:11:49,200 --> 01:11:50,599
Speaker 2: don't know if that ever happened.

1604
01:11:50,760 --> 01:11:53,480
Speaker 7: It's not according to Nathaniel Hackett.

1605
01:11:53,200 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 2: By way, it doesn't have to be patrick unwritten code

1606
01:11:56,320 --> 01:11:59,559
Speaker 2: or whatever. But like the reason why you don't do

1607
01:11:59,640 --> 01:12:02,439
Speaker 2: it is because like, if you follow the sport, it's

1608
01:12:02,760 --> 01:12:05,920
Speaker 2: really hard to be a coach. It's a really tough life.

1609
01:12:06,280 --> 01:12:10,040
Speaker 2: You bounce around, you grind through different levels.

1610
01:12:11,040 --> 01:12:14,919
Speaker 5: If we criticize Hackett to the to the nth degree,

1611
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,000
Speaker 5: so why can't other colleagues do it?

1612
01:12:17,280 --> 01:12:17,439
Speaker 4: Well?

1613
01:12:17,479 --> 01:12:19,320
Speaker 2: The reason I'm trying to make but you interrupted me

1614
01:12:19,439 --> 01:12:22,840
Speaker 2: is that he is also a coach, and you understand

1615
01:12:22,880 --> 01:12:26,720
Speaker 2: when things go sideways unless you don't care about it,

1616
01:12:26,760 --> 01:12:28,760
Speaker 2: and your ego is so out of control that you

1617
01:12:28,840 --> 01:12:31,320
Speaker 2: speak that could shoot off the lip of USA today,

1618
01:12:31,920 --> 01:12:33,519
Speaker 2: which is fine. I thought it was fun too. I

1619
01:12:33,560 --> 01:12:35,200
Speaker 2: love the story. I don't care that he's connected to

1620
01:12:35,240 --> 01:12:38,160
Speaker 2: the Jets now. I think it's great. But I'm just saying,

1621
01:12:38,240 --> 01:12:40,080
Speaker 2: you know, that's everything, all right, shun.

1622
01:12:40,200 --> 01:12:42,080
Speaker 6: It is in the realm of possibility that he's like

1623
01:12:42,120 --> 01:12:45,240
Speaker 6: external based, high ego individual that like doesn't care about

1624
01:12:45,240 --> 01:12:46,280
Speaker 6: all these codes and things.

1625
01:12:46,400 --> 01:12:49,200
Speaker 4: But if you get the guys open and Russ hits them,

1626
01:12:49,320 --> 01:12:51,240
Speaker 4: none of it matters, right, That's my question is like

1627
01:12:51,280 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 4: how much does it necessarily matter? It's a thing to

1628
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:55,840
Speaker 4: talk about, but like what impact does it happen?

1629
01:12:55,840 --> 01:12:56,760
Speaker 1: But he's okay, I.

1630
01:12:56,760 --> 01:12:58,400
Speaker 6: Say, if you're gonna you know if you're gonna take

1631
01:12:58,560 --> 01:13:01,080
Speaker 6: a breather from coaching and go take a studio gig

1632
01:13:01,120 --> 01:13:02,920
Speaker 6: pre game, like where's that fire?

1633
01:13:02,960 --> 01:13:05,320
Speaker 7: Then right exactly the most vanilla comments I've ever.

1634
01:13:05,240 --> 01:13:08,240
Speaker 5: Heard that there is something to that that's it's annoying,

1635
01:13:08,280 --> 01:13:10,200
Speaker 5: like he could have had a different tone about it,

1636
01:13:10,240 --> 01:13:13,000
Speaker 5: but there is something gutless about it that like we're

1637
01:13:13,040 --> 01:13:14,760
Speaker 5: fine with all of us can say it, but they

1638
01:13:14,800 --> 01:13:16,439
Speaker 5: can't say it about each other. It's kind of similar

1639
01:13:16,479 --> 01:13:19,160
Speaker 5: how like we can't say certain things about other people

1640
01:13:19,200 --> 01:13:22,160
Speaker 5: and broadcasting that we actually hold our tongue on some

1641
01:13:22,360 --> 01:13:24,160
Speaker 5: level about that those sort of things because it's like

1642
01:13:24,200 --> 01:13:24,759
Speaker 5: it didn't.

1643
01:13:24,600 --> 01:13:26,840
Speaker 2: I don't remember a certain broadcast are coming up to

1644
01:13:26,880 --> 01:13:32,320
Speaker 2: you had a coach's breakfast and shaking you down and

1645
01:13:32,360 --> 01:13:33,639
Speaker 2: wagging his finger in your face.

1646
01:13:34,439 --> 01:13:35,040
Speaker 3: It's happened.

1647
01:13:37,400 --> 01:13:38,519
Speaker 2: We'll leave it right there.

1648
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:41,240
Speaker 7: That's how Greg knows where Sean Payton was when he.

1649
01:13:41,200 --> 01:13:49,280
Speaker 2: Gave it interview. But yes, insummation, I'm happy Sean Payton's

1650
01:13:49,280 --> 01:13:52,400
Speaker 2: back to He's a character. He's from the parcels world,

1651
01:13:52,439 --> 01:13:54,880
Speaker 2: and I love parcels and those guys that are a

1652
01:13:54,880 --> 01:13:56,880
Speaker 2: little rough around the edges. Everyone else seems to be

1653
01:13:56,920 --> 01:14:02,519
Speaker 2: so streamlined and smooth these days. Maybe I saw Nate

1654
01:14:02,560 --> 01:14:04,719
Speaker 2: Hackett with his daughters after the Taylor Swift concert.

1655
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,720
Speaker 6: Also, we're past hating on him too, he's a he

1656
01:14:07,760 --> 01:14:09,639
Speaker 6: seems like a likable fellow.

1657
01:14:10,040 --> 01:14:12,200
Speaker 2: Great Dudek took him to Vegas.

1658
01:14:12,400 --> 01:14:15,880
Speaker 5: I mean past might be exaggerating. If they're the twenty

1659
01:14:15,880 --> 01:14:18,599
Speaker 5: fourth ranked offense in Week four, we won't be past it.

1660
01:14:18,680 --> 01:14:21,160
Speaker 5: So it's it's all based on how things go.

1661
01:14:21,360 --> 01:14:24,120
Speaker 2: My name is Nathaniel Hackett. Thanks, it's nice to see

1662
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:29,920
Speaker 2: you out here. All right, coming up tomorrow is around

1663
01:14:29,920 --> 01:14:32,479
Speaker 2: the NFC. In forty eight minutes. We could not have

1664
01:14:32,560 --> 01:14:35,360
Speaker 2: done literally well, we could have. It would have been

1665
01:14:35,360 --> 01:14:38,280
Speaker 2: an inferior program without Patrick Clavin, who.

1666
01:14:38,160 --> 01:14:39,760
Speaker 1: Said it all well. Thanks Dan.

1667
01:14:39,880 --> 01:14:42,559
Speaker 2: Any final words, just go out there.

1668
01:14:42,400 --> 01:14:44,960
Speaker 1: And love football and love Ingle Hackett, who's a very

1669
01:14:45,040 --> 01:14:45,479
Speaker 1: nice man.

1670
01:14:46,280 --> 01:14:49,439
Speaker 5: And check out Patrick hosting this year on Game deviut

1671
01:14:49,560 --> 01:14:51,439
Speaker 5: with the plug Our our Pick shows.

1672
01:14:51,720 --> 01:14:56,440
Speaker 2: You're plugging yourself and may it seem like, yeah.

1673
01:14:57,000 --> 01:14:59,599
Speaker 3: It's Cynthia's it's Cynthia and Patrick guy. But now he's

1674
01:14:59,640 --> 01:14:59,920
Speaker 3: the host.

1675
01:15:00,080 --> 01:15:01,439
Speaker 7: We've been down this avenue before.

1676
01:15:01,520 --> 01:15:02,960
Speaker 2: What else are your NFL fantasy?

1677
01:15:03,240 --> 01:15:06,040
Speaker 4: Yes, you've got fantasy tonight, six o'clock Eastern, right here

1678
01:15:06,040 --> 01:15:06,760
Speaker 4: on NFL.

1679
01:15:06,479 --> 01:15:08,400
Speaker 2: Now, I feel like you're a valued member of the team.

1680
01:15:09,000 --> 01:15:13,479
Speaker 2: I think you're held in good regard with the people upstairs.

1681
01:15:13,560 --> 01:15:16,240
Speaker 4: Well that's that's because of the people on the floors

1682
01:15:16,240 --> 01:15:19,439
Speaker 4: with me, which includes you guys. Anybody who's the chance

1683
01:15:20,080 --> 01:15:21,519
Speaker 4: to do things and go all the way back to

1684
01:15:21,560 --> 01:15:23,400
Speaker 4: t D and Dave Damashek put me on the first

1685
01:15:23,400 --> 01:15:24,280
Speaker 4: podcast over Oh.

1686
01:15:24,240 --> 01:15:27,760
Speaker 2: My god, hit the music. You're right check Davis ires

1687
01:15:27,760 --> 01:15:28,599
Speaker 2: start that's true.

1688
01:15:28,960 --> 01:15:29,880
Speaker 7: Talk about a great guy.

1689
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:33,760
Speaker 2: Dave listens every episode of the show. That is not true.

1690
01:15:35,680 --> 01:15:37,040
Speaker 2: Heed the call.