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Speaker 3: Good morning, Steelers Nation, and welcome back inside the Indiana

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Speaker 3: Convention Center. It is our final day of combine coverage

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Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis on Radio Row and as always, Mike

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Speaker 3: Persuda Westshuler. It's the morning show here, our final morning show.

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Speaker 4: Treven. You're in a spry mood this morning. All of

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Speaker 4: a sudden, I tell you.

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Speaker 2: I'll tell you the HiT's just keep coming. First gold

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Speaker 2: medal for the USA men's national team and the USA

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Speaker 2: women's national team in hockey at the Olympics, and last night,

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Speaker 2: Smarting seventy six produced seventy four. You know, I'm sure

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Speaker 2: most dealer fans tuning in want to hear me talk

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Speaker 2: about something besides Spartan basketball, and I will eventually, but

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Speaker 2: just to give people a little insight into our.

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Speaker 4: Lives, paint the picture.

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Speaker 2: You know, we all got into this business in whatever

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Speaker 2: forum we choose to work because we love sports. And

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Speaker 2: one of the things that affords you when you travel

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Speaker 2: is an opportunity to do stuff that you don't normally

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Speaker 2: to West Lafayette and we saw not only an MSU win,

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Speaker 2: but you have up on your screen tweet of highlighting

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Speaker 2: the halftime dog jumping rope. Incredible and you know, there

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Speaker 2: were some great performances here. Sunny Styles stole the day

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Speaker 2: yesterday led the way. A lot of guys did a

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Speaker 2: lot of athletic things. This dog is first overall.

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Speaker 3: Picked and the best part is it's other dogs doing

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Speaker 3: the jump rope. Like It's not just two humans on

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Speaker 3: the end of the jump rope. It's two dogs, one human,

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Speaker 3: three dogs one human. Now, we had we had a

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Speaker 3: pretty cool experience at Mackie Arena last night. Awesome college

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Speaker 3: venue two top fifteen teams. The place was jumping, but

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Speaker 3: Sparty steals the road victory, and I think Mike pursued

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Speaker 3: a high five fifty different Michigan State fans while we

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Speaker 2: You know, it would have been twelve years without a

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Speaker 2: That's something that a lot of sport fans can't say

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Speaker 2: they've done. In fact, zero sport fans can say they've

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Speaker 4: Exactly right, That's exactly right.

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Speaker 3: It is our final day here, Mike, and it's it's

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Speaker 3: finally an exciting time in this process because we've got

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Speaker 3: a bunch of results and measurements. We've got a bunch

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Speaker 4: So what stood out to you?

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Speaker 3: What do you want to talk about, what's kind of

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Speaker 3: at the at the forefront of conversation today.

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Speaker 2: Well, here's what I want to talk about, first and foremost.

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Speaker 2: NFL research is a big part of what we do.

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Speaker 2: They do a phenomenal job compiling things and getting information out.

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Speaker 2: And there is a defensive tackle from the University of Cincinnati,

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Speaker 2: Dante Corleon Dante Corleone and NFL Films. Excuse me, NFL

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Speaker 2: research has made it known. In case anybody couldn't figure

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Speaker 2: this out, his nickname is the Godfather of course, right

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Speaker 2: because Dante Corleone Don Corleone. NFL research today, tale of

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Speaker 2: the tape between Dante Corleone and Vito Corleone. Follow me here.

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Speaker 2: Height Dante six foot and a half veto five to nine.

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Speaker 4: I don't know about five to nine. I think that's

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Speaker 2: Wait. Dante three forty veto buck eighty hometown Dante, Cincinnati, Ohio.

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Speaker 2: Veto Corleone sicily Awards, Dante four time All Conference Veto,

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Speaker 2: not least hits Dante nine and a half sacks veto unknown.

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Speaker 2: I bet it was more than nine and a half.

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Speaker 4: I bet it was. I bet it was substantially more

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Speaker 2: Who put that together, NFL Research, God bless them all

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Speaker 3: That's what it's all about. This is why we got

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I've known about the name for a couple of years.

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Speaker 3: I'm seeing it here now in this NFL research pack

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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fantastic. I mean, whoever came up with that

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Speaker 3: Other they should And if it's I don't know, if

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Speaker 3: Uh you mentioned Sonny Styles. I think he might have

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Speaker 2: How did they not win again, everybody.

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Speaker 3: So everybody keeps asking me this, and I keep giving

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Speaker 2: To say that out loud because it throws a little

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Speaker 3: Spoken like a proud big ten grad. Triv was talking

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Speaker 4: Yes he did. It was a lot of fun.

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Speaker 3: Chris Carter covers the Steelers for the Post Gazette.

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Speaker 4: The other Chris Carter, the other Chris Carter.

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Speaker 3: He's gonna talk to us though about some of these

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Speaker 4: There's a whole bunch of famous Chris Carter. I'm like

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Speaker 3: No, you're listen, you're ranked all right, You're in the

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Speaker 3: Ketch up with Pittsburgh's Chris Carter when we return on

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Speaker 4: You know. Chris Carter locked on Steelers Pittsburgh Post Gazette. Chris,

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Speaker 2: he's a younger guy in the business, yes, but he grinds.

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Speaker 4: Old school, yes he does.

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Speaker 2: Thank you. I appreciate this guy works his craft.

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Speaker 4: Let's go. And when that's coming from this guy that

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Speaker 2: My man.

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Speaker 4: True, I appreciate you got both of you now you're

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Speaker 2: Thank you. True. I mean people may agree or disagree

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Speaker 2: Let's say it stays at twenty one in the first

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Speaker 2: And I don't think it would be the wrong thing

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Speaker 4: It might not be. Iwana looks nasty man. I love

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Speaker 4: The Steelers have to have to be aware that Cam

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Speaker 3: When there'll be a sandwich named after him at Peppies

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Speaker 4: Five even even less. I mean he'll have a contract

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Speaker 4: This is a good safety class.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. I agree with that, and took me in Ramsey's case.

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Speaker 2: there because he had to, not like a guy who

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Speaker 2: was playing there because that's where he should be playing.

440
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Speaker 4: Jalen also, I think went through a bit of like

441
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Speaker 4: you know, there's as an athlete, you need an insane

442
00:19:28,520 --> 00:19:31,200
Speaker 4: ego to compete at the level of to outdo everyone

443
00:19:31,200 --> 00:19:33,520
Speaker 4: that always doubts you, whether it's your opponents, whether it's

444
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Speaker 4: your teammates, whether it's a scout that doesn't believe in you.

445
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Speaker 4: And Jalen Ramsey's had that and kind of dogging him

446
00:19:38,040 --> 00:19:41,160
Speaker 4: if you will, for years. Right, He's needed to overcome

447
00:19:41,200 --> 00:19:43,280
Speaker 4: that so many times, and so when you're standing there

448
00:19:43,280 --> 00:19:45,320
Speaker 4: as outside cornerback, you're still saying, I got it. I

449
00:19:45,640 --> 00:19:47,840
Speaker 4: can be that guy. I think he saw in the

450
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Speaker 4: Steelers saw and in that Bengals game, that first Bengals

451
00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:52,199
Speaker 4: game that was not him anymore. But you saw him

452
00:19:52,200 --> 00:19:54,080
Speaker 4: at second Bengals game when he had slipped to this

453
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Speaker 4: new role. He was terrorizing them. Jamar Chase was spitting

454
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Speaker 4: on him because he was so mad, Like that's that's

455
00:20:00,440 --> 00:20:02,880
Speaker 4: how good. I agree. He still has those those things

456
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Speaker 4: about him, and especially like a guy, for example, I

457
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Speaker 4: love in this draft class a slot guy that could

458
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Speaker 4: be that kind of a role. Keante Scott out of Miami.

459
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Speaker 4: He led all college football in run stuffs and no

460
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Speaker 4: excuse me, he's second in college football in run stuffs,

461
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Speaker 4: but led in press, quarterback pressures and sacks from the

462
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Speaker 4: cornerback position. He's six foot, he's nasty. He had that

463
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Speaker 4: pick six that you were talking about in Miami against

464
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Speaker 4: Ohio State. He would be perfect. But to me, I'm like,

465
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Speaker 4: Jalen can kind of do that kind of stuff and

466
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Speaker 4: still be a leader and communicate and do those high

467
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Speaker 4: level things. To me, the better safety to get is

468
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Speaker 4: the deep guy here. I really like Bud Clark out

469
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Speaker 4: of TCU, particularly because I think he's a third round pick.

470
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Speaker 4: You can get him at seventy six, eighty five, ninety nine,

471
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Speaker 4: either one of those picks. To me, that's where I

472
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Speaker 4: think real value be for safety for this tea ar.

473
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Speaker 2: Yeah, the physicality thing with Ramsey it can't be underestimated.

474
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Speaker 2: And yeah, you know this team still needs to get

475
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Speaker 2: better on run defense too. Now de tackle is the obvious,

476
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Speaker 2: of course solution there. But you know, when you're in

477
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Speaker 2: those third and maybes and you'r a nickel and you

478
00:21:01,320 --> 00:21:02,919
Speaker 2: got a guy like rams you go on the slot,

479
00:21:03,400 --> 00:21:05,560
Speaker 2: he can blitz, or if they try to go wide

480
00:21:05,560 --> 00:21:07,080
Speaker 2: on you, he can he can handle that.

481
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Speaker 4: Uh.

482
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Speaker 2: I just think there's a lot of value with that guy.

483
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Speaker 2: It's gonna be very curious to me. Uh what Patrick

484
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Speaker 2: Graham thinks.

485
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Speaker 4: Yeah. I mean, here's the thing. Because of flexibility, so

486
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Speaker 4: many defenses are like, we need to stay in two

487
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Speaker 4: high shells. But when you're in those two high shells

488
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Speaker 4: two safeties deep, that means you're you're saying, hey, we

489
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Speaker 4: need the guys that are in the box that are

490
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Speaker 4: gonna are gonna win and be nasty and the ball exactly.

491
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Speaker 4: And here's the thing. If one of those guys is

492
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Speaker 4: a nickel is a nickelback, that nickelback needs to be

493
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Speaker 4: able to bang with the big boys. And I think

494
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Speaker 4: that's where Jalen Ramsey. I think he showed he can

495
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Speaker 4: do that kind of stuff. He can and he's he's older,

496
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Speaker 4: so you know, he's not as fast. Maybe he put

497
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Speaker 4: maybe he puts on a little bit, Maybe he gets

498
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Speaker 4: a little bit strong, and he says, hey, my strength

499
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Speaker 4: is gonna be when the tight end comes to me,

500
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Speaker 4: he's not knocking me back. I'm gonna I'm gonna be

501
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Speaker 4: able to to jam him, shed him and get in

502
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Speaker 4: and win at the point of attack. To me, I

503
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Speaker 4: think that's a major trait that he would bring. And

504
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Speaker 4: if I'm not putting him there, I'm looking for a

505
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Speaker 4: guy in this draft class that can Keyante Scott D'Angelo Pons,

506
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Speaker 4: two guys the Steelers both had formal interviews with. By

507
00:22:05,160 --> 00:22:06,840
Speaker 4: the way, those are two of my top guys there.

508
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Speaker 4: I love Ponds.

509
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Speaker 3: Yeah, he's the type of guy that you would love

510
00:22:10,359 --> 00:22:13,400
Speaker 3: to have as a teammate. Every championship team, I don't

511
00:22:13,440 --> 00:22:16,080
Speaker 3: care if it's Pop Warner Football to the National Championship

512
00:22:16,119 --> 00:22:19,280
Speaker 3: Game needs guys like that. But obviously the size concerns

513
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Speaker 3: are real. How do you kind of evaluate him in

514
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Speaker 3: that regard?

515
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Speaker 4: He is short arms, he's he was listed at five

516
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Speaker 4: to nine. We'll see how he actually, uh you know,

517
00:22:27,440 --> 00:22:30,359
Speaker 4: gets measured today when those when those come out. But like,

518
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Speaker 4: here's the thing, that guy he competes. He reminds me

519
00:22:33,520 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 4: of Mike Hilton with better coverage skills, because this guy

520
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,439
Speaker 4: covered skills. It's it, dang messed up Mike's oar.

521
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Speaker 2: Guy. Come on, Mike was a great player.

522
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Speaker 4: Yeah, but when you downfield he was toasted. Yeah, exactly.

523
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Speaker 4: But D'Angelo Ponds scraps he wins positionally. In the National

524
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Speaker 4: Championship Game against Miami, he had three breakups. Like he

525
00:22:56,800 --> 00:22:58,760
Speaker 4: was he was moving everywhere, and the things that I

526
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Speaker 4: think that he does really well. Like Kanti Scott's six feet,

527
00:23:02,320 --> 00:23:04,879
Speaker 4: I've seen Kiante Scott pile into a guard and like

528
00:23:05,200 --> 00:23:06,720
Speaker 4: knock him out of the way and make a tackle

529
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Speaker 4: of the line of scrimmage. Ponds doesn't have that size.

530
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Speaker 4: So what he does he works around you. He'll he'll, he'll,

531
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Speaker 4: he'll get into position before you are, make you guess somewhere,

532
00:23:14,240 --> 00:23:16,440
Speaker 4: and then he goes around you. He's so good at that.

533
00:23:16,440 --> 00:23:18,159
Speaker 4: That's the value that he has there. But and like

534
00:23:18,200 --> 00:23:22,440
Speaker 4: you said, Wes, captain, leader, communicator, and playmaker, all those

535
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Speaker 4: an alpha dog like, those are all things that work there.

536
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Speaker 4: It's just it's you know, we'll see how long the

537
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Speaker 4: arms are. That's a big thing. Like you know you

538
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Speaker 4: were talking about relative athletic score. I use that every

539
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Speaker 4: year because it helps me compare. Okay, not just for

540
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Speaker 4: this class, but like all time. How long is this

541
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Speaker 4: guy's aren't compared to this guy's arms, Like when I

542
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Speaker 4: want to compare like current draft picks to former draft picks. Okay,

543
00:23:43,320 --> 00:23:45,800
Speaker 4: he was faster, Oh he was taller. That's where I'll

544
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Speaker 4: be interested to see Ponds. How does he measure up

545
00:23:47,640 --> 00:23:49,920
Speaker 4: to like other slot corners because he played outside of

546
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Speaker 4: Indiana because you can in college. He ain't gonna live

547
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Speaker 4: outside at five foot nine if he's five foot nine,

548
00:23:54,920 --> 00:23:56,280
Speaker 4: because you know, college is well off and.

549
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Speaker 3: Boost that just chu five foot nine in winter boots

550
00:23:59,240 --> 00:24:03,480
Speaker 3: exactly right. Yeah, I am with you. I love the corners.

551
00:24:03,520 --> 00:24:07,680
Speaker 3: I love the secondary options amongst this group. I would

552
00:24:07,720 --> 00:24:10,560
Speaker 3: be remiss, all right, you know, I think there is

553
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Speaker 3: one aside from that.

554
00:24:11,880 --> 00:24:13,879
Speaker 4: We all kind of do similar things for a living.

555
00:24:14,040 --> 00:24:15,560
Speaker 4: We all love sports, We all love this.

556
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Speaker 3: The three of us all passionate, very passionate about our

557
00:24:18,600 --> 00:24:20,600
Speaker 3: alma maters. The three of us have that in common.

558
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:25,080
Speaker 3: I like to think, in fact, Pittsburgh's biggest Spartan, Pittsburgh's

559
00:24:25,080 --> 00:24:28,000
Speaker 3: biggest mountaineer, in Pittsburgh's biggest Panther are all sitting at

560
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Speaker 3: this table right here together in Indianapolis right now. Talk

561
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Speaker 3: to us about Kyle Lewis because he's an interesting case study, right, yeah,

562
00:24:34,880 --> 00:24:39,160
Speaker 3: another one of these just productive athletic freaks. But there's

563
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Speaker 3: some concern about the tweener body size.

564
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Speaker 2: Right.

565
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Speaker 3: Is he is he a safety? Is he a linebacker?

566
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Speaker 3: Do you use him in a nick Eman Worry kind

567
00:24:45,880 --> 00:24:49,480
Speaker 3: of type role? He is obviously a guy who belongs

568
00:24:49,480 --> 00:24:51,840
Speaker 3: on a football field, but where how does he translate

569
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Speaker 3: his game to the NFL level?

570
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Speaker 4: He is sort of an off He's the off ball

571
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Speaker 4: week side linebacker in the four to three defense. Lewis

572
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:01,679
Speaker 4: Rigg another big bit Pitt guy. Yep, he compared him

573
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Speaker 4: to Derek Brooks. Now that's a very very high bar,

574
00:25:04,680 --> 00:25:07,840
Speaker 4: you know, But I will say this, Kyler Lewis a

575
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Speaker 4: lot of people. I covered him at the Senior Bowl.

576
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Speaker 4: I covered first of all, I covered it Pitt when

577
00:25:11,200 --> 00:25:13,000
Speaker 4: I covered Pit for the Post Caazette, and then I

578
00:25:13,040 --> 00:25:15,080
Speaker 4: covered him at the Senior Bowl. There were a lot

579
00:25:15,080 --> 00:25:16,719
Speaker 4: of scouts that were like, I want to see if

580
00:25:16,720 --> 00:25:19,240
Speaker 4: he can do the physical things, if he can take

581
00:25:19,240 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: on guys in the hole, because he was intercepting quarterbacks downfield,

582
00:25:22,640 --> 00:25:25,640
Speaker 4: blanketing running backs and blanketing tight ends and received he

583
00:25:25,720 --> 00:25:28,159
Speaker 4: was just erasing guys and like, Okay, we knew he

584
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 4: could do that, but I want to see how his

585
00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,280
Speaker 4: what his intincts are. And he proved in the in

586
00:25:32,320 --> 00:25:33,760
Speaker 4: that week. He was like, I show what I needed

587
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Speaker 4: to show. They awarded him a National Team Linebacker of

588
00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:38,760
Speaker 4: the Week there and then when I can we get it's.

589
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Speaker 2: A big deal. By the way they do those awards

590
00:25:40,320 --> 00:25:41,680
Speaker 2: to the Senior Bowl. And I don't know if people

591
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Speaker 2: appreciate those.

592
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Speaker 4: They don't.

593
00:25:43,080 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 2: I think people the position groups that play against them

594
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,280
Speaker 2: in practice vote on it. Yes, exactly, you win that.

595
00:25:49,760 --> 00:25:52,920
Speaker 4: You learned some respect, right exactly. And that's the thing

596
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,200
Speaker 4: is that he got respect there and he got respect here.

597
00:25:55,240 --> 00:25:58,440
Speaker 4: I talked to Daniel Jeremiah, NFL draft expert from NFL Network.

598
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Speaker 4: He's great. I asked him, is Kyle Lewis a linebacker

599
00:26:01,000 --> 00:26:03,320
Speaker 4: and he said yes, and he's a Day two linebacker

600
00:26:03,359 --> 00:26:05,320
Speaker 4: like he's not. Don't wait on him, don't think about

601
00:26:05,400 --> 00:26:07,800
Speaker 4: this guy has great instincts. He knows how to use

602
00:26:07,880 --> 00:26:09,880
Speaker 4: his size the right way. He knows that he's the speed,

603
00:26:09,960 --> 00:26:12,440
Speaker 4: he's the leverage, and he talked about the need we need.

604
00:26:12,480 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 4: You need guys that can slash in and attack the

605
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:16,600
Speaker 4: quarterback and get the run, but also cover as well

606
00:26:16,680 --> 00:26:18,720
Speaker 4: as well as he does, and he talked about his

607
00:26:18,760 --> 00:26:22,280
Speaker 4: coverage instincts being among the higher of this class. Yes,

608
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Speaker 4: Sunny Styles is my favorite linebacker and he might have

609
00:26:25,320 --> 00:26:28,240
Speaker 4: jumped into my number three prospect. It's real, It's Mendoza down.

610
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Speaker 4: Styles might be my top three guys.

611
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Speaker 2: You think Mendoza is actually the best player or back

612
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Speaker 2: man you're going over where you're gonna get drafted. It's like,

613
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Speaker 2: how do you do you racked them, and if in

614
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Speaker 2: the order they should be drafted, or.

615
00:26:41,119 --> 00:26:44,959
Speaker 4: How good value positional value sticks up for quarterback from

616
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Speaker 4: me there especially, And so that's kind of where I

617
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Speaker 4: lean towards there. When Mendoza shows the traits that he

618
00:26:50,240 --> 00:26:52,960
Speaker 4: has there and I need a franchise quarterback, I have

619
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Speaker 4: to put that. I assemble my big board, by the way,

620
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Speaker 4: based off of where I think the Steeler should be

621
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Speaker 4: looking to. It's it's it's a sense of how good

622
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Speaker 4: I think each player is. But also where if the

623
00:27:01,640 --> 00:27:04,240
Speaker 4: Steelers are considering where to pick guys, where I'd ranked

624
00:27:04,280 --> 00:27:07,240
Speaker 4: how I'd rank them. And but Mendoza's my one, downs

625
00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,600
Speaker 4: was my two. I think I put rvl Reese originally

626
00:27:09,640 --> 00:27:11,440
Speaker 4: as my three and then uh and I think Sonny

627
00:27:11,480 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 4: Styles was like five or six or seven in that

628
00:27:13,680 --> 00:27:16,159
Speaker 4: in that range, but with his measurables he bumps up

629
00:27:16,160 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 4: to like that two or two or three. I'm interesting

630
00:27:19,600 --> 00:27:23,000
Speaker 4: how Caleb downs test today. Downs looks like like it

631
00:27:23,119 --> 00:27:25,640
Speaker 4: was crazy. Talking to him yesterday, he said I love

632
00:27:25,720 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 4: watching old tape on like Troy Polamalu, ed Reid, Bryan Dawkins,

633
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,760
Speaker 4: that class. And then he also said, but I love

634
00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,280
Speaker 4: what the new guys are doing. He talked about Nick

635
00:27:32,320 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 4: even Warry. He's like that guy showed people how important

636
00:27:35,040 --> 00:27:37,760
Speaker 4: this position is. People want to talk about positional value.

637
00:27:37,880 --> 00:27:39,800
Speaker 4: It's about who's the best on the field. And I'm like,

638
00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:42,840
Speaker 4: who is Who's this kid? Like Hu, he's talking, he's

639
00:27:42,840 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 4: talking like he seasoned here. No, Yes, his brother's Josh Downs,

640
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,400
Speaker 4: and he's got people, he's got family in the league

641
00:27:47,440 --> 00:27:50,400
Speaker 4: and stuff. But I love Caleb Downs for his abilities

642
00:27:50,400 --> 00:27:52,439
Speaker 4: on the field. I'm gonna love to see his testing

643
00:27:52,720 --> 00:27:55,159
Speaker 4: and I but I love I loved his presence and

644
00:27:55,160 --> 00:27:57,760
Speaker 4: how he handles things. He's he's another alpha dog leader.

645
00:27:58,640 --> 00:28:02,600
Speaker 2: All right, what more point about that kid? I'm pretty

646
00:28:02,600 --> 00:28:06,280
Speaker 2: old saw pretty old school, and I don't look at.

647
00:28:06,359 --> 00:28:08,680
Speaker 4: Rs relative athletic score.

648
00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,120
Speaker 2: But when I watched Pitt play, I noticed that guy. Yes,

649
00:28:12,320 --> 00:28:14,600
Speaker 2: at the time, and my fault was that guy's a player.

650
00:28:15,359 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: And I think it's up to whoever drafts him. It's

651
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 2: up to the coaches to figure out where he should play.

652
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Speaker 4: And when he was when I was covering him. There

653
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Speaker 4: the linebacker room like there there was that, there was

654
00:28:24,440 --> 00:28:26,560
Speaker 4: that really good, you know, twenty twenty one team, and

655
00:28:26,560 --> 00:28:28,200
Speaker 4: then there were guys that were kind of from there.

656
00:28:28,320 --> 00:28:30,439
Speaker 4: And then when those guys cycled out, the linebacker room

657
00:28:30,480 --> 00:28:32,879
Speaker 4: really stepped up for a Pitt and became the playmakers

658
00:28:32,920 --> 00:28:35,440
Speaker 4: the D line. When they lost Colijah Cansey can't see

659
00:28:35,600 --> 00:28:37,280
Speaker 4: it was like, man, they need some more dogs there.

660
00:28:37,359 --> 00:28:39,600
Speaker 4: And then all of a sudden, you hear Ryan Manilac,

661
00:28:39,800 --> 00:28:42,400
Speaker 4: the position coach of the linebacker coach under Patton Ardoozy there,

662
00:28:42,480 --> 00:28:44,400
Speaker 4: and you hear about Kyle Lewis. Kyle Lewis, you know,

663
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:46,480
Speaker 4: he told us like he you know, his first couple

664
00:28:46,520 --> 00:28:47,560
Speaker 4: of years he was hurt a lot, so he was

665
00:28:47,600 --> 00:28:49,880
Speaker 4: coming in early for workouts and rehab. But then when

666
00:28:49,920 --> 00:28:51,400
Speaker 4: he was done with rehabby he said, let me turn

667
00:28:51,400 --> 00:28:53,520
Speaker 4: that into tape study. So he turns that into tape study.

668
00:28:53,560 --> 00:28:55,600
Speaker 4: Then he is the guy that's like, we're the sharks.

669
00:28:55,720 --> 00:28:58,080
Speaker 4: We eat everything and we fly around. And so when

670
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Speaker 4: you saw Pitt linebackers getting three picks, six isn't in

671
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,320
Speaker 4: the same game. When you saw him second quarterbacks hitting

672
00:29:03,360 --> 00:29:05,640
Speaker 4: guys and they were doing the finn thing and the

673
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 4: student section had the inflatable sharks. Kyle Lewis started all

674
00:29:09,480 --> 00:29:11,560
Speaker 4: of that, like, like you said, if I'm an NFL

675
00:29:11,640 --> 00:29:14,360
Speaker 4: coach and or a scout, I want the culture starter

676
00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,360
Speaker 4: on my team. And Kyle Lewis is a culture starter.

677
00:29:16,720 --> 00:29:21,000
Speaker 2: He just confirmed the favorite gripe before colleague Matt Williamson

678
00:29:21,600 --> 00:29:26,040
Speaker 2: when people talk about the players being oh, yeah, that's

679
00:29:26,800 --> 00:29:27,920
Speaker 2: the guy watches a lot of.

680
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:31,600
Speaker 4: Great white sharks.

681
00:29:32,880 --> 00:29:35,760
Speaker 3: A lion wakes up on the prairie and it has

682
00:29:35,800 --> 00:29:38,640
Speaker 3: instincts to go hunt down a gazelle. All right, Kyle

683
00:29:38,760 --> 00:29:40,800
Speaker 3: Lewis didn't wake up and just have it. He had

684
00:29:40,840 --> 00:29:41,560
Speaker 3: to work for it.

685
00:29:41,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's it.

686
00:29:42,800 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 2: Good.

687
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:45,880
Speaker 4: You can hear Williams and his ears burning on that one.

688
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 3: Okay, you mentioned Mendoza there, So let's let's close it

689
00:29:49,160 --> 00:29:51,320
Speaker 3: down with a couple of minutes a quarterback conversation here.

690
00:29:52,960 --> 00:29:54,280
Speaker 4: He is he is?

691
00:29:54,000 --> 00:29:54,240
Speaker 2: He is?

692
00:29:54,440 --> 00:29:54,720
Speaker 4: He is?

693
00:29:55,520 --> 00:29:59,120
Speaker 3: I think in the clearest QB one and a law

694
00:29:59,200 --> 00:30:01,480
Speaker 3: and and cam wore was that last year, but even

695
00:30:01,520 --> 00:30:03,680
Speaker 3: more at least there was a Jackson Dart last year.

696
00:30:03,760 --> 00:30:04,040
Speaker 2: You know.

697
00:30:05,840 --> 00:30:07,760
Speaker 4: Who is QV two? Is it? Definitely?

698
00:30:07,760 --> 00:30:10,160
Speaker 3: Ty Simpson is there? Yeah, there's there's no one else

699
00:30:10,200 --> 00:30:11,400
Speaker 3: who's gonna usurp him for that.

700
00:30:11,440 --> 00:30:13,960
Speaker 4: You think there's not there's not anybody else ty Simon.

701
00:30:14,160 --> 00:30:16,880
Speaker 4: Ty Simpson to me, I think he's really good above

702
00:30:16,920 --> 00:30:18,920
Speaker 4: the neck right now. I think that he like One

703
00:30:19,400 --> 00:30:21,720
Speaker 4: thing that that we've heard this week is that the

704
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:23,680
Speaker 4: Steelers liked him in the interview and I got to

705
00:30:23,720 --> 00:30:25,360
Speaker 4: talk to him. I posted a bit of a clip

706
00:30:25,400 --> 00:30:28,040
Speaker 4: of what I asked him with Mike McCarthy. Ty Simpson

707
00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:30,280
Speaker 4: knows ball, he knows what he's to do. But I

708
00:30:30,280 --> 00:30:32,600
Speaker 4: think the thing with ty Simpson's he's coming out too early.

709
00:30:32,640 --> 00:30:34,160
Speaker 4: When I saw when I was watching him in the

710
00:30:34,160 --> 00:30:36,600
Speaker 4: middle part of this All You every week during the season,

711
00:30:36,880 --> 00:30:39,800
Speaker 4: I did a quarterback review article on I think it

712
00:30:39,840 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 4: was like Monday or Tuesday that would come out about, hey,

713
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:43,800
Speaker 4: these are the quarterbacks that we've been watching for this

714
00:30:43,840 --> 00:30:46,239
Speaker 4: class and how they're doing. And ty Simpson, through like

715
00:30:46,440 --> 00:30:49,000
Speaker 4: early up to early November, was like looking really sharp,

716
00:30:49,240 --> 00:30:51,320
Speaker 4: working his way into the top three, like you know,

717
00:30:51,360 --> 00:30:53,520
Speaker 4: he was. He was pushing it. But then when he

718
00:30:53,520 --> 00:30:55,440
Speaker 4: he got he got banged up a little bit. Powered

719
00:30:55,440 --> 00:30:57,920
Speaker 4: through it looked, it looked fine, but then teams started

720
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:00,280
Speaker 4: to get tape on him and then his tenants were

721
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:03,480
Speaker 4: picked up on He has what fifteen career starts? He

722
00:31:03,560 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 4: said today, Hey, I practiced against dogs NFL guys every

723
00:31:08,040 --> 00:31:10,520
Speaker 4: day at Alabama, so like, I'm not just that, But

724
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,400
Speaker 4: to me, I need to see twenty five or more

725
00:31:12,440 --> 00:31:15,920
Speaker 4: starts at the quarterback position. Evaluate you not just for

726
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:18,560
Speaker 4: how you do initially, but how eventually, how do teams

727
00:31:18,560 --> 00:31:20,760
Speaker 4: adapt to you and how you adapt to those adaptations.

728
00:31:21,080 --> 00:31:23,480
Speaker 4: And that's what I don't haven't seen enough of it.

729
00:31:23,680 --> 00:31:27,960
Speaker 4: That kind of sounds silly, but it's real, and I

730
00:31:27,960 --> 00:31:31,200
Speaker 4: think that's what. If I'm a Scouts, I'm like, man,

731
00:31:31,320 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 4: I like Ty Simpson. If I'm the Steelers, I just

732
00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:35,680
Speaker 4: don't know about twenty one. And they probably liked him

733
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 4: in this interview from when I heard it went really well.

734
00:31:38,400 --> 00:31:41,800
Speaker 4: They had a great back and forth. I loved hearing

735
00:31:42,360 --> 00:31:44,840
Speaker 4: him talk today, and I'm like, this kid does impress me.

736
00:31:45,120 --> 00:31:47,640
Speaker 4: But I'm sorry, I need to see more in college.

737
00:31:47,720 --> 00:31:49,440
Speaker 4: If he's around in the second round of fifty three

738
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Speaker 4: and he's following that far, first of all, it means

739
00:31:51,200 --> 00:31:52,640
Speaker 4: a lot of people have passed on him at that point.

740
00:31:52,680 --> 00:31:55,400
Speaker 4: But then I'm like, that's a different conversation, but at

741
00:31:55,400 --> 00:31:58,200
Speaker 4: twenty one, I'm sorry, I need a dog that is

742
00:31:58,280 --> 00:32:01,720
Speaker 4: proven at one of those playmaker position. Mendoza's number one

743
00:32:01,800 --> 00:32:04,280
Speaker 4: and by far because he's really good, but there's no

744
00:32:04,320 --> 00:32:05,800
Speaker 4: one else in this class that's in that tier.

745
00:32:06,840 --> 00:32:09,240
Speaker 3: All right, I want to do this exercise with you, guys.

746
00:32:09,280 --> 00:32:13,600
Speaker 3: Matt and I did this. Okay, simple answer exercise. But

747
00:32:13,640 --> 00:32:15,320
Speaker 3: don't worry. It's not that we got our steps in

748
00:32:15,400 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 3: last night where we've beavery. That's the one thing about

749
00:32:17,480 --> 00:32:18,280
Speaker 3: here in Indianapolis.

750
00:32:18,320 --> 00:32:18,760
Speaker 4: You get your.

751
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Speaker 3: Steps in for sure. Last ten qb ones. Okay, Mendoza

752
00:32:25,480 --> 00:32:29,320
Speaker 3: or give me your answer, Mendoza or cam Ward Ward.

753
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:31,200
Speaker 4: I'll take Mendoza.

754
00:32:31,840 --> 00:32:36,720
Speaker 3: I go Ward, but very slightly. Caleb Williams. Williams, I

755
00:32:36,720 --> 00:32:37,560
Speaker 3: think that's an easy one.

756
00:32:37,560 --> 00:32:40,600
Speaker 2: Caleb. That's harder for me. I'm still not completely sold

757
00:32:40,600 --> 00:32:46,320
Speaker 2: on that guy. I'm not real hope. I'm gonna go

758
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Speaker 2: h Caleb.

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00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:51,400
Speaker 4: Bryce Young pretty pretty easy, Mendoza. Yeah, I just I

760
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Speaker 4: love if Bryce was in Mendoza's body exactly, right, take

761
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Speaker 4: Bryce if he wasn't five to ten exactly. It's getting

762
00:32:58,760 --> 00:33:01,280
Speaker 4: better in the leg. Yeah, he's a dog. He knows

763
00:33:01,320 --> 00:33:03,200
Speaker 4: how to he knows how. I loved his tape out

764
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:06,120
Speaker 4: of him. I thought he was amazing. But yeah, just

765
00:33:06,160 --> 00:33:08,720
Speaker 4: as far as like size, it's tough to take the bath.

766
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Speaker 4: Can you pickett Trevor Lawrence? And remember this is kind

767
00:33:16,240 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 4: of like coming out of college Trevor Lawrence.

768
00:33:18,880 --> 00:33:21,160
Speaker 2: Oh, is that how we're gaging this? Well?

769
00:33:21,520 --> 00:33:22,160
Speaker 4: I guess just.

770
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Speaker 3: I think I don't know, because once we get to

771
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Speaker 3: this point, it's kind of easy to do like.

772
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Speaker 2: The what what what I'm basing this on? We probably

773
00:33:29,400 --> 00:33:34,000
Speaker 2: should have made this clear. I'm thinking about what I

774
00:33:34,040 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 2: think can become.

775
00:33:35,560 --> 00:33:37,160
Speaker 4: Okay, yeah, yeah, yeah, that's probably the best.

776
00:33:37,160 --> 00:33:39,480
Speaker 2: That's what I think the pro guys are gonna be.

777
00:33:39,680 --> 00:33:43,440
Speaker 4: That's probably when there. I think Trevor Lawrence. I loved

778
00:33:43,480 --> 00:33:45,320
Speaker 4: him coming out of college. He was obviously the number

779
00:33:45,320 --> 00:33:48,920
Speaker 4: one material. I think he had a bad rap with

780
00:33:49,320 --> 00:33:51,800
Speaker 4: Herban Meyer, and you know how the Jaguars have just

781
00:33:51,800 --> 00:33:53,960
Speaker 4: handled that situation. I think this year you saw just

782
00:33:54,000 --> 00:33:56,160
Speaker 4: a little bit of glimpse with Liam Cohen.

783
00:33:55,880 --> 00:33:59,520
Speaker 2: And yeah, right, and he turns into a better spot

784
00:33:59,600 --> 00:34:03,160
Speaker 2: now exactly. Although boy, in that uh Buffalo game, I

785
00:34:03,240 --> 00:34:07,120
Speaker 2: hated there was a fourth down and he slid instead

786
00:34:07,160 --> 00:34:10,040
Speaker 2: of just putting his shoulder down and that was a

787
00:34:10,160 --> 00:34:12,200
Speaker 2: rough diving or something like that.

788
00:34:12,440 --> 00:34:15,400
Speaker 4: If you're gonna wear men like shrugging people off and.

789
00:34:16,880 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 2: Lie, if you're gonna be the guy, and I get

790
00:34:19,080 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 2: you do that in September, and you do that in October.

791
00:34:21,880 --> 00:34:25,520
Speaker 4: You do that the vast majority of the time. Elway

792
00:34:25,560 --> 00:34:27,080
Speaker 4: and Flying.

793
00:34:27,200 --> 00:34:29,399
Speaker 2: Got to make that play, and that was a bad

794
00:34:29,440 --> 00:34:30,040
Speaker 2: loss for them.

795
00:34:30,080 --> 00:34:32,399
Speaker 4: I thought was that I had them winning that game.

796
00:34:34,200 --> 00:34:36,800
Speaker 4: Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow, Joe Burrow.

797
00:34:37,080 --> 00:34:38,800
Speaker 2: Kyler Fame, every other quarterback.

798
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Speaker 4: I would take Fernando over Kyle again for the Yes. Absolutely,

799
00:34:44,440 --> 00:34:45,480
Speaker 4: Baker Mayfield.

800
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Speaker 2: That's a tough I love Bakers and tangibles, and I

801
00:34:50,000 --> 00:34:53,279
Speaker 2: think he still has ability, but I think he's kind

802
00:34:53,280 --> 00:34:53,960
Speaker 2: of topped out.

803
00:34:54,120 --> 00:34:57,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, and the size limitation size, I would take dozen.

804
00:34:58,120 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 4: I also think I think Baker got a bit in

805
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:02,759
Speaker 4: his own way in his career with the things that

806
00:35:02,800 --> 00:35:04,200
Speaker 4: he said and the way that he handled things. I

807
00:35:04,200 --> 00:35:06,560
Speaker 4: think he had expect I think he had like expectations

808
00:35:06,560 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 4: for how I don't get any of that from friend

809
00:35:08,560 --> 00:35:10,360
Speaker 4: m Mendoz. I don't think he thinks he's owed anything.

810
00:35:10,360 --> 00:35:15,080
Speaker 2: I think and I'm not critical Bakery right right, They're

811
00:35:15,120 --> 00:35:16,040
Speaker 2: just two different guys.

812
00:35:16,120 --> 00:35:19,360
Speaker 4: And that's that's why I'll take Mendoza plus the size.

813
00:35:19,560 --> 00:35:24,080
Speaker 3: Two more Mitch Trubisky and then this is the last

814
00:35:24,080 --> 00:35:27,960
Speaker 3: One's interesting, Jared Goff because.

815
00:35:27,760 --> 00:35:29,200
Speaker 4: He's had a solid career.

816
00:35:29,360 --> 00:35:31,279
Speaker 3: I mean, he's been to a super Bowl, he's been

817
00:35:31,360 --> 00:35:33,400
Speaker 3: to a couple of champions and championship.

818
00:35:33,680 --> 00:35:36,160
Speaker 2: I'll take golf, but he's in a really good spot.

819
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:38,400
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's where I put my parw at like like

820
00:35:38,480 --> 00:35:40,759
Speaker 4: my Jared Goff is like where I think the line

821
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:43,000
Speaker 4: should be for Mendoza. I think that that's you're a

822
00:35:43,080 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 4: you're a franchise guy. You make really good decisions with

823
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:49,239
Speaker 4: the football, you know. And I think the one thing

824
00:35:49,280 --> 00:35:50,879
Speaker 4: he has on the side is in the biggest, big

825
00:35:50,920 --> 00:35:52,920
Speaker 4: games in the college football level, he stepped up and

826
00:35:53,280 --> 00:35:55,440
Speaker 4: made big plays. And so maybe I'll give Mendoza the

827
00:35:55,520 --> 00:35:58,440
Speaker 4: edge for that. But if he is golf, he's gonna

828
00:35:58,440 --> 00:36:00,359
Speaker 4: be really good in this league. And I think that's

829
00:36:00,400 --> 00:36:02,719
Speaker 4: what the Raiders and teams are gonna be looking at

830
00:36:02,760 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 4: for him for is like, hey, you know, we don't

831
00:36:04,680 --> 00:36:06,200
Speaker 4: need you to be Joe Burrow. We don't need you

832
00:36:06,200 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 4: to be Josh Allen doing everything but be that great

833
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,880
Speaker 4: leader in the head, and you know, it was funny.

834
00:36:11,040 --> 00:36:12,880
Speaker 4: We just got done talking to Elijah Surat and he

835
00:36:12,920 --> 00:36:15,600
Speaker 4: was telling it, like his funniest Fernando Mendoza stories, and

836
00:36:15,640 --> 00:36:17,560
Speaker 4: he was like, he was like, you gotta you gotta

837
00:36:17,600 --> 00:36:19,480
Speaker 4: have it in your temples and like say things. But

838
00:36:19,560 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 4: he would do things and it would be quirky, but

839
00:36:21,719 --> 00:36:23,480
Speaker 4: everyone would believe in him. And it's like, to me,

840
00:36:23,760 --> 00:36:25,840
Speaker 4: there's something about that, right, Like when a guy is

841
00:36:25,840 --> 00:36:28,200
Speaker 4: like super masculine and oh and has the voice, like,

842
00:36:28,239 --> 00:36:30,480
Speaker 4: that's like everyone gets behind him. But when he has

843
00:36:30,520 --> 00:36:32,880
Speaker 4: the kind of needsily voice and he's really lanky and

844
00:36:32,920 --> 00:36:35,319
Speaker 4: he looks kind of like a nerd, but everyone's like,

845
00:36:35,400 --> 00:36:38,000
Speaker 4: that's my guy and I will die for him. He's

846
00:36:38,040 --> 00:36:40,799
Speaker 4: got to have some extra X factor, special juice man.

847
00:36:40,920 --> 00:36:44,279
Speaker 4: So that's Fmando Mandoza. That's I give him over God

848
00:36:44,360 --> 00:36:46,040
Speaker 4: because I think there's something extra there.

849
00:36:46,080 --> 00:36:48,520
Speaker 2: You know. It's funny though, as we did this exercise,

850
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,840
Speaker 2: that occurred to me that so much of these guys

851
00:36:51,480 --> 00:36:54,719
Speaker 2: I'm reminded of it. It's not a newsbreaking development, but

852
00:36:55,640 --> 00:36:58,960
Speaker 2: the situation to get put in off yep, so critical. Yeah,

853
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:02,920
Speaker 2: I mean, if we did three years ago with Sam Donald.

854
00:37:03,400 --> 00:37:06,360
Speaker 2: You know you're right, Sam Donald just won the Super Bowl.

855
00:37:06,480 --> 00:37:09,200
Speaker 4: Like, who was the last first picked quarterback in the

856
00:37:09,239 --> 00:37:12,400
Speaker 4: NFL draft to win the Super Bowl for their team?

857
00:37:12,680 --> 00:37:14,640
Speaker 4: Legitimate question? Actually don't. I can't think of it right now.

858
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:17,319
Speaker 3: You're not saying first overall. You're just saying their first

859
00:37:17,480 --> 00:37:18,680
Speaker 3: quarterback pick in.

860
00:37:19,080 --> 00:37:20,480
Speaker 4: A draft in a draft class.

861
00:37:20,600 --> 00:37:20,920
Speaker 2: Who won?

862
00:37:21,000 --> 00:37:24,080
Speaker 4: Because Matt Stafford was first overall? But he's not winning.

863
00:37:25,640 --> 00:37:29,040
Speaker 3: That's a very interesting Cam cam Ward No, Caleb Williams no,

864
00:37:29,200 --> 00:37:31,759
Speaker 3: Bryce Young, no, can He Pikett, no, Trevor Lawrence, no,

865
00:37:31,920 --> 00:37:37,320
Speaker 3: Joe Burrow no, Kyler Murray, no Mayfield, Trubisky, Goff, Jameis Winston,

866
00:37:37,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 3: Blake portles E, j Manuel Andrew Luck, Cam Newton no Close, Wow,

867
00:37:45,400 --> 00:37:50,800
Speaker 3: Sam Bradford, Matthew Stafford, Matt Ryan Close, JaMarcus Russell no,

868
00:37:50,960 --> 00:37:57,879
Speaker 3: Vince Young, No, Alex Smith, no, Eli bleeping Manning's That's

869
00:37:57,920 --> 00:37:58,799
Speaker 3: why I tell people it.

870
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:00,600
Speaker 2: Is didn't he traded?

871
00:38:01,120 --> 00:38:04,680
Speaker 4: Oh he's not even he doesn't count.

872
00:38:05,360 --> 00:38:09,920
Speaker 3: Carson Palmer, David Carr, Michael Vick, Chad Pennington, Tim Couch.

873
00:38:10,080 --> 00:38:12,960
Speaker 4: Peyton Manning nineteen ninety eight. Peyton Manning the other man

874
00:38:13,000 --> 00:38:16,600
Speaker 4: that is the only quarterbacks why rafted that was drafted

875
00:38:16,640 --> 00:38:18,440
Speaker 4: first in the draft class. And I didn't know it

876
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:20,239
Speaker 4: went back that far. I knew it went back far.

877
00:38:20,360 --> 00:38:22,879
Speaker 4: That's what old. That's why it's like when people say

878
00:38:23,080 --> 00:38:24,920
Speaker 4: just take and get a quarterback at the best quarter

879
00:38:25,080 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 4: it don't work that way.

880
00:38:26,520 --> 00:38:28,799
Speaker 2: I'm so tired of that argument. I was so die.

881
00:38:28,800 --> 00:38:31,279
Speaker 2: I really wish the Steelers fans I know that are

882
00:38:31,360 --> 00:38:33,239
Speaker 2: adamant about that would just get over it.

883
00:38:33,239 --> 00:38:33,760
Speaker 4: It's wrong.

884
00:38:34,760 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 2: Think of something else, something else.

885
00:38:36,760 --> 00:38:37,640
Speaker 4: That's exactly right.

886
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:41,360
Speaker 3: Chris Carter, Pittsburgh Post is atte locked on Steelers. We

887
00:38:41,440 --> 00:38:43,239
Speaker 3: kept you for like seven hours here with us on

888
00:38:43,320 --> 00:38:46,000
Speaker 3: radio row. Thanks for the time to be off my feet.

889
00:38:46,000 --> 00:38:47,520
Speaker 2: Thank you. We kept you so long you gott to

890
00:38:47,600 --> 00:38:51,239
Speaker 2: join the union now, so dude, they'll be in touch

891
00:38:51,280 --> 00:38:51,799
Speaker 2: for your dudes.

892
00:38:52,120 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 3: Right, Okay, dudes, are you know March is coming up here,

893
00:38:55,200 --> 00:38:56,920
Speaker 3: so new month, new dude. We're gonna pay you this,

894
00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,520
Speaker 3: but that right, Chris Carter doing yeoman's work out here

895
00:39:00,560 --> 00:39:01,000
Speaker 3: as always.

896
00:39:01,000 --> 00:39:02,520
Speaker 4: Make sure you're checking all of it out. Thanks for

897
00:39:02,560 --> 00:39:03,640
Speaker 4: the time, dude. Thanks guys.

898
00:39:03,800 --> 00:39:05,719
Speaker 3: Pursued and I will be back to wrap up this

899
00:39:05,920 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 3: morning hour when we return it's all happening live on

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Speaker 3: Radio Row inside the Indiana Convention Center of the twenty

901
00:39:11,400 --> 00:39:15,120
Speaker 3: twenty six NFL Scouting Combine on Steelers Nation Radio on

902
00:39:15,160 --> 00:39:16,400
Speaker 3: the Steelers Audio Network.

903
00:39:21,440 --> 00:39:24,319
Speaker 1: This is live Cobbre reach up that twenty twenty six

904
00:39:24,480 --> 00:39:28,160
Speaker 1: NFL Combine on Steelers Nation Radio, a part of the

905
00:39:28,239 --> 00:39:29,920
Speaker 1: Steelers Audio Network.

906
00:39:31,840 --> 00:39:34,480
Speaker 3: Final minutes of the morning show here this week, it's

907
00:39:34,520 --> 00:39:35,120
Speaker 3: been a lot of fun.

908
00:39:35,200 --> 00:39:38,040
Speaker 4: Wesh you alerned Mike Pursuda. He's not going anywhere.

909
00:39:38,120 --> 00:39:40,080
Speaker 3: I'm gonna slide out here in a few minutes and

910
00:39:40,080 --> 00:39:41,080
Speaker 3: then I'll be back at noon.

911
00:39:41,600 --> 00:39:43,439
Speaker 4: It's it's a line change week here.

912
00:39:43,520 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 3: We do a lot of positionless basketball this week here

913
00:39:46,360 --> 00:39:47,279
Speaker 3: on on Radio Row.

914
00:39:47,280 --> 00:39:49,640
Speaker 2: Soshient flexibility. The older guy used.

915
00:39:49,520 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 4: To like, it's hey, I think everybody.

916
00:39:51,760 --> 00:39:55,200
Speaker 3: I think everybody likes that now, you know, particularly on defense.

917
00:39:55,280 --> 00:39:57,480
Speaker 3: Some of these some of these what in the past

918
00:39:57,480 --> 00:40:00,000
Speaker 3: would have been labeled as tweener type guys, but now

919
00:40:00,080 --> 00:40:02,799
Speaker 3: now are real chessboard pieces. I mean, you look at

920
00:40:02,800 --> 00:40:05,719
Speaker 3: the emon worries of the world. You look at you know,

921
00:40:05,760 --> 00:40:08,360
Speaker 3: a guy like Cooper Dejean in Philadelphia. I forget the

922
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,879
Speaker 3: guy's name for the Texans, but Houston has one of them,

923
00:40:10,880 --> 00:40:13,719
Speaker 3: two you know, branch with the Lions.

924
00:40:13,800 --> 00:40:15,040
Speaker 4: Like those guys.

925
00:40:15,040 --> 00:40:17,560
Speaker 3: In the past, coaches and gms would have looked at

926
00:40:17,600 --> 00:40:19,360
Speaker 3: him and said, I don't really know where he fits.

927
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,319
Speaker 3: Now they look at those guys and they say he

928
00:40:21,360 --> 00:40:23,680
Speaker 3: fits here in there. That's that's two hats he can wear.

929
00:40:24,880 --> 00:40:28,600
Speaker 2: Guys. It's still I can remember back to Mike Tomlin's

930
00:40:28,680 --> 00:40:32,520
Speaker 2: first draft and he drafted Lawrence Timmins.

931
00:40:32,080 --> 00:40:33,360
Speaker 4: And Lamar Woodley, right.

932
00:40:33,239 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 2: But Timmins was and Tom is he outside?

933
00:40:37,080 --> 00:40:37,680
Speaker 4: Where does he played?

934
00:40:37,760 --> 00:40:41,319
Speaker 2: Tomin came up with a way of describing Timmins, which

935
00:40:41,360 --> 00:40:43,080
Speaker 2: at the time I thought it was unique to Tom,

936
00:40:43,160 --> 00:40:45,919
Speaker 2: and he said, he is a run and hit linebacker man.

937
00:40:46,719 --> 00:40:49,640
Speaker 2: And I don't know if I'd ever heard that before.

938
00:40:49,640 --> 00:40:52,600
Speaker 2: I don't think I had. But on defense, you got

939
00:40:52,640 --> 00:40:54,920
Speaker 2: a run and hit. And I don't care what they

940
00:40:54,960 --> 00:40:57,279
Speaker 2: call you, big nickel, they call you strong, safety, they

941
00:40:57,320 --> 00:40:59,640
Speaker 2: call you edge, they call you whatever. You got to

942
00:40:59,760 --> 00:41:03,120
Speaker 2: run and you got a hint. And if you if

943
00:41:03,120 --> 00:41:04,840
Speaker 2: you find eleven guys that can.

944
00:41:04,760 --> 00:41:07,239
Speaker 4: Do that, it's gonna look like you have fifteen on

945
00:41:07,280 --> 00:41:09,480
Speaker 4: the field. Thank you, yeah, thank you.

946
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:13,000
Speaker 2: I don't care what you call the defense three four

947
00:41:13,080 --> 00:41:16,400
Speaker 2: four to three nickel dime. I don't care if you

948
00:41:16,480 --> 00:41:20,440
Speaker 2: call the guy a star, rover, what call whatever you

949
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:22,839
Speaker 2: want to call them. Just get a bunch of those guys.

950
00:41:22,920 --> 00:41:25,680
Speaker 3: A bunch of bunch of good football players. I really

951
00:41:25,680 --> 00:41:28,440
Speaker 3: do think that whole like positionless basketball. For those that

952
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:30,840
Speaker 3: haven't heard that term, because you're just a football junkie

953
00:41:30,840 --> 00:41:34,080
Speaker 3: and you don't, you know, focus much else in sports.

954
00:41:34,320 --> 00:41:37,120
Speaker 3: It's just the idea that you don't need a point

955
00:41:37,120 --> 00:41:39,759
Speaker 3: guard and a shooting guard and a center. You need

956
00:41:39,880 --> 00:41:42,279
Speaker 3: five guys on the court at all times that can

957
00:41:42,280 --> 00:41:45,920
Speaker 3: defend against biggs, can defend against shooters. Positionless they can,

958
00:41:45,960 --> 00:41:47,759
Speaker 3: they can play, they can defend however you need.

959
00:41:47,840 --> 00:41:49,640
Speaker 2: Although I don't apply that to the point guard thing.

960
00:41:49,880 --> 00:41:51,600
Speaker 4: That's true. You need a guy who can handle the ball. Yeah,

961
00:41:51,600 --> 00:41:52,000
Speaker 4: we saw that.

962
00:41:52,280 --> 00:41:52,840
Speaker 2: A quarterback.

963
00:41:52,880 --> 00:41:54,600
Speaker 4: We saw that in Wesse. A quarterback.

964
00:41:54,680 --> 00:41:55,800
Speaker 2: Quarterback is a position.

965
00:41:56,040 --> 00:41:57,719
Speaker 4: Quarterbacks nothing, that's true.

966
00:41:57,719 --> 00:42:01,279
Speaker 3: I don't need Mendoza splitting out at receiver, lining up

967
00:42:01,280 --> 00:42:03,440
Speaker 3: in safety or kicking field goals.

968
00:42:03,960 --> 00:42:06,520
Speaker 2: Hey, Zach Fraser, snap it to yourself and throw it.

969
00:42:08,960 --> 00:42:10,600
Speaker 4: Speaking of that, I was I was cracking up.

970
00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:12,640
Speaker 3: I saw on Twitter one of those like you know

971
00:42:12,880 --> 00:42:17,360
Speaker 3: football highlight type. You know, this day in history whatever

972
00:42:17,400 --> 00:42:22,799
Speaker 3: accounts was posting highlights from Terrell Pryor's state state championship game,

973
00:42:22,800 --> 00:42:25,399
Speaker 3: and you know, like two hundred some yards passing, two

974
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,520
Speaker 3: hundred some yards rushing. He also kicked like three extra

975
00:42:28,560 --> 00:42:30,759
Speaker 3: points and punted once and did did two or three

976
00:42:30,840 --> 00:42:32,200
Speaker 3: kickoffs for Jeanette.

977
00:42:32,880 --> 00:42:36,240
Speaker 2: I saw throw a plot prior play a whippel championship game.

978
00:42:37,040 --> 00:42:39,400
Speaker 2: I forget who they played, but it's one of my

979
00:42:39,400 --> 00:42:41,719
Speaker 2: favorite high school games I've ever seen. Just watch. I

980
00:42:41,840 --> 00:42:44,080
Speaker 2: liked watching to play safety more than I like watching

981
00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,759
Speaker 2: to play quarterback because he was just, Oh, there's the ball,

982
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,360
Speaker 2: I'm gonna go blow that guy up. Another guy along

983
00:42:49,360 --> 00:42:52,360
Speaker 2: those lines. When Drew Reeves was an al Quimplee quarterback

984
00:42:52,560 --> 00:42:55,879
Speaker 2: and UH state championship game, I think he scored five

985
00:42:55,960 --> 00:43:00,280
Speaker 2: tds five different He threw for one, he ran for one,

986
00:43:00,360 --> 00:43:04,000
Speaker 2: he had a pick, he had a return and maybe

987
00:43:04,040 --> 00:43:06,480
Speaker 2: a fumble return like a kick return or a punt return.

988
00:43:06,560 --> 00:43:10,560
Speaker 2: He was just just so much better than everybody else

989
00:43:10,640 --> 00:43:11,160
Speaker 2: on the field.

990
00:43:11,320 --> 00:43:13,919
Speaker 3: Yeah, those those type of guys, they're they're usually pretty

991
00:43:13,960 --> 00:43:16,799
Speaker 3: easy to identify, and they are certainly a lot of

992
00:43:16,800 --> 00:43:18,480
Speaker 3: fun to watch and we might have a couple. We

993
00:43:18,520 --> 00:43:20,600
Speaker 3: certainly do have a couple of those guys. And in

994
00:43:20,680 --> 00:43:24,520
Speaker 3: this year's draft class, triv and and hey pick twenty

995
00:43:24,560 --> 00:43:26,040
Speaker 3: one for the Steelers. All right, so this is this

996
00:43:26,080 --> 00:43:28,640
Speaker 3: is the last couple of minutes here of myself being

997
00:43:28,640 --> 00:43:31,799
Speaker 3: on the air with you here in Indianapolis. So as

998
00:43:31,800 --> 00:43:35,640
Speaker 3: we listen, this is subject to change based on free

999
00:43:35,680 --> 00:43:37,719
Speaker 3: agency and and you know, just a little over a week.

1000
00:43:37,760 --> 00:43:40,640
Speaker 3: But as we sit here today, twenty one, your best

1001
00:43:40,680 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 3: guess the Steelers select.

1002
00:43:44,160 --> 00:43:46,279
Speaker 2: The Penn State guy who I haven't figured out how

1003
00:43:46,320 --> 00:43:47,000
Speaker 2: to pronounce his name.

1004
00:43:47,040 --> 00:43:50,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, Vega, I Wana Yeah.

1005
00:43:50,160 --> 00:43:54,160
Speaker 2: And Matt also mentioned a tackle I forget the name,

1006
00:43:54,160 --> 00:43:55,880
Speaker 2: but he said you can start him at left guard

1007
00:43:56,200 --> 00:43:59,239
Speaker 2: for a year and then kick him out. Uh, you know.

1008
00:43:59,640 --> 00:44:01,000
Speaker 4: You think the go you think they go back to

1009
00:44:01,000 --> 00:44:01,960
Speaker 4: the trenches.

1010
00:44:02,680 --> 00:44:08,080
Speaker 2: Today this morning. And I'm gonna leave that open to

1011
00:44:08,239 --> 00:44:10,040
Speaker 2: change because we've got a lot of time between now

1012
00:44:10,080 --> 00:44:14,080
Speaker 2: and the draft. But I'm starting to be a little

1013
00:44:14,080 --> 00:44:16,760
Speaker 2: more concerned about the left side of the offensive line.

1014
00:44:16,920 --> 00:44:20,919
Speaker 2: And you know, I don't know if Brodick Jones will

1015
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,120
Speaker 2: be able to play or not. I'm not writing him off,

1016
00:44:23,760 --> 00:44:29,480
Speaker 2: but if Dylan Cook ends up being a temporary option.

1017
00:44:30,640 --> 00:44:32,359
Speaker 2: I'd like a really good left guard, and I think

1018
00:44:32,960 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 2: depends date kid. Our discussions throughout this week have got

1019
00:44:39,040 --> 00:44:42,640
Speaker 2: me thinking, hopefully they get people listening thinking. But you know,

1020
00:44:42,719 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 2: the fanic of pick worked out pretty good. That David

1021
00:44:45,000 --> 00:44:49,520
Speaker 2: DeCastro pick worked out pretty good. Whoever ends up a

1022
00:44:49,560 --> 00:44:50,920
Speaker 2: quarterback gonna.

1023
00:44:50,640 --> 00:44:54,640
Speaker 3: Need a line absolutely and and uh like building that nest.

1024
00:44:54,760 --> 00:44:59,560
Speaker 2: Mike McCarthy keeps saying he wants to run the ball. Good,

1025
00:45:00,680 --> 00:45:04,000
Speaker 2: let's give ourselves every opportunity to do that.

1026
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 4: I'm with you.

1027
00:45:06,000 --> 00:45:08,360
Speaker 3: I think it's certainly gonna be the offensive side of

1028
00:45:08,400 --> 00:45:11,319
Speaker 3: the football at pick twenty one. I still think wide

1029
00:45:11,320 --> 00:45:13,200
Speaker 3: receivers are going to be tough to pass up because

1030
00:45:13,200 --> 00:45:14,560
Speaker 3: there's going to be somebody there good.

1031
00:45:14,560 --> 00:45:16,080
Speaker 2: Oh, They're all going to be tough to pass up.

1032
00:45:16,120 --> 00:45:18,279
Speaker 2: That's the whole trick it. I mean, I fall in

1033
00:45:18,280 --> 00:45:19,840
Speaker 2: love with these guys. You come out here and you

1034
00:45:19,880 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 2: study them, and you watch them work out, and you

1035
00:45:21,920 --> 00:45:25,319
Speaker 2: go back to your tape and you know, I don't

1036
00:45:25,320 --> 00:45:28,280
Speaker 2: have time to watch entire games with all these guys,

1037
00:45:28,760 --> 00:45:31,000
Speaker 2: so I try to watch them play, and you get

1038
00:45:31,080 --> 00:45:34,359
Speaker 2: highlight stuff on YouTube or wherever you find it, and

1039
00:45:34,600 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 2: it reminds me. I was watching college basketball. He said,

1040
00:45:38,280 --> 00:45:40,000
Speaker 2: the tournament in Hawaii. I don't know if they still

1041
00:45:40,040 --> 00:45:43,799
Speaker 2: have it nowI Invitational, but Bill Walton was doing a

1042
00:45:43,880 --> 00:45:46,400
Speaker 2: game and it's played by play and I says, oh,

1043
00:45:46,480 --> 00:45:49,400
Speaker 2: coming up next, we'll get this guy from Georgia. He's great,

1044
00:45:50,480 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 2: you want to stick around for that? And Walt says,

1045
00:45:52,600 --> 00:45:55,080
Speaker 2: have you watched them play? And the guy says, well,

1046
00:45:55,080 --> 00:45:57,920
Speaker 2: I've seen the highlights, and Walt says, you know what

1047
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,680
Speaker 2: I've noticed about highlights is in very believe the ball

1048
00:46:00,760 --> 00:46:01,680
Speaker 2: goes into the back.

1049
00:46:01,920 --> 00:46:05,319
Speaker 3: Correct, It's never. It's never the guard getting blown up. Yeah,

1050
00:46:05,320 --> 00:46:09,080
Speaker 3: giving up the sack right shrip. Fun stuff. This week,

1051
00:46:09,239 --> 00:46:11,040
Speaker 3: Mike will be hanging around for two more hours with

1052
00:46:11,160 --> 00:46:13,439
Speaker 3: Rob King and Matt Williamson, and then I'll be back

1053
00:46:13,440 --> 00:46:16,439
Speaker 3: with you in the noontime. Our coverage goes until two

1054
00:46:16,440 --> 00:46:19,560
Speaker 3: pm here today live on Radio Row. It's our ongoing

1055
00:46:19,600 --> 00:46:23,440
Speaker 3: combine coverage Steelers Nation Radio on the Steelers Audio Network