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Speaker 2: Let's do it.

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Speaker 1: My male forty one, So this is the author best

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Speaker 1: friend Jack Male forty one, since Kindergarten cheated on his

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Speaker 1: wife Anna female thirty nine, with a girl half his age, Max,

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Speaker 2: So Max is the mistress. Yeh, gotta love it.

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Speaker 1: That's gross dating someone like like much younger than you,

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Speaker 1: or like if like a woman is dating someone like

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Speaker 1: twenty years older, is that nick?

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Speaker 4: It depends how old you are. I feel like once

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Speaker 4: you cross like thirty, it's not as weird, but younger

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Speaker 4: it's weird.

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Speaker 3: Point yeah, is very weird.

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Speaker 1: Anna is one of the best human beings I've ever met.

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Speaker 1: So Anna his wife's friend's wife. She's very beautiful, kind

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Speaker 1: and caring. She's very successful too. When Jack met her

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Speaker 1: that he wrote an ironclad prenup just to be with her.

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Speaker 6: Is that.

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Speaker 2: She gets everything.

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Speaker 1: She gets everything, He gets everything, got it because he's like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: I'm not after you for your money, I'm just here

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Speaker 1: for love.

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Speaker 3: Oh so she's the rich one.

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Speaker 2: She's the rich one.

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Speaker 1: Okay, okay, yeah, and then in other words, Jack has

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Speaker 1: nothing to his name. He met Max the Mistress on

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Speaker 1: a work trip, and it was then he cheated on Anna,

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Speaker 1: his wife Trash. The affair lasted for two months until

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Speaker 1: Max made an ultimatum, maxim mistress to leave his wife

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Speaker 1: for her. And we love how every great relationship starts

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Speaker 1: with an ultimatum.

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Speaker 3: Oh yes, it always works. It's a good sign.

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Speaker 1: Doc refused and tried to end the affair, so Max

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Speaker 1: told Anna everything. This broke Anna beyond repair, and she

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Speaker 1: process of divorcing now and Jack lives in a small

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Speaker 1: hope with you know, Anna and any reconciliation, so he

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Speaker 1: have a good question for you. Is it worse that

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Speaker 3: Absolutely?

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Speaker 4: Yeah, absolutely, I mean worse for who for the mistress?

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Speaker 4: Like for me if I told a guy like you

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Speaker 4: and then when that feels he's like, I'm bad.

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Speaker 2: That's what I'd be like.

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Speaker 5: No, Yeah, that's wild that she was down with that

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Speaker 5: as it is wild.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, And she sounds ballsy because she was like, Hey,

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Speaker 1: But then she wants, but like, does she want a cheater?

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Speaker 6: Like? Come, put an ic you in the comments if

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Speaker 6: Oh, So whenever we see something or like see something

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Speaker 1: Pretictions quick on seeing the mistress like full time after.

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Speaker 1: I would almost feel like if someone cheated on me

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Speaker 2: At least they commit to something. They committed to something.

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Speaker 3: At least it was for love.

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Speaker 4: Maybe they're so maybe that's a little left up, but no,

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Speaker 4: I could see that, Like, if you're going to leave

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Speaker 2: Yeah, So to continue.

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Speaker 3: I wouldn't want them happy.

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Speaker 1: My wife, pat female thirty two knows all the details.

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Speaker 1: So the wife of Ope the author. She is more

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Speaker 4: That's impressive because he's sticking. It's his best friend. But

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Speaker 1: He's like, yeah, now everything is settled. My wife said

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Speaker 5: So the mistress absolutely not, absolutely not, absolutely not.

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Speaker 3: I don't want her.

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Speaker 2: I want her life to burn.

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Speaker 4: Exactly what's the timeline because is this like five years,

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Speaker 3: Okay, that's a hard past, that's too fresh.

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Speaker 1: I was very reluctant at first, but my wife insisted

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Speaker 1: to always make sense. The dinner, it was awkward. I

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Speaker 1: is there something what she's doing some skeletons and class.

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Speaker 5: I think she has a beautiful soul. I think that's

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Speaker 4: Yeah, but like if I did that, if I did

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Speaker 3: We haven't even gotten to a year yet, I would

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Speaker 2: I would need the bathing period.

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Speaker 4: Well.

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Speaker 5: He sounds like he loves Anna too, like as like

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Speaker 5: literally saying, like messed up royally and he's choosing team Anna.

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Speaker 5: He needs space, he needs he needs some space from Jack.

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Speaker 1: So Jack pretending to be happy and Max over excited

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Speaker 2: Things won't be the same. But my wife was right.

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Speaker 1: I love Jack and that's the most important thing right now.

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Speaker 1: Max talked about her upbringing, in the hard life she

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Speaker 1: of what she's dreaming on Jack's salary. Oh, it dawned

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Speaker 1: of dreams she was when she found her dream home,

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Speaker 1: missus Anna talking.

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Speaker 2: To best friends.

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Speaker 1: We here Max sitting there talking about how she would

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Speaker 2: Was just crazy.

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Speaker 4: They're going and she's thinking they're going to move into.

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Speaker 3: The Mistress things.

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Speaker 5: Obviously Jack's letting her think that, Oh yeah, yeah, no

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Speaker 1: And also Max was making fun of Anna's style and taste.

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Speaker 1: It brought tears in my eyes. Yes, men can get

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Speaker 1: emotional too. Jack has not told Max said truth, Okay,

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Speaker 3: Literally would have asked her to leave, Savad.

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Speaker 2: What are you right?

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Speaker 2: So you are you are? Ope? You are the author?

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Speaker 2: Right now?

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Speaker 1: Do you say anything? Do you say, hey, I got

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Speaker 3: I don't know if I would say it right there.

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Speaker 5: I'm not good at confrontational things, especially in front of people.

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Speaker 5: But if I had a moment, just the two of

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Speaker 3: I would just.

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Speaker 5: Very subtly say that's not your house, and I would

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Speaker 5: double check where this money's come from, because it's not

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Speaker 4: I think I would talk to Jack first. Oh sorry, sorry,

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Speaker 4: I had the mic. I would talk to Jack first,

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Speaker 4: and I would be like, okay, bro, like what's happening here?

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Speaker 4: Because I know the details. You ain't got no money,

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Speaker 4: that's not going to be your house, you're saying, and

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Speaker 4: so like, what what is your play here? Like? Are

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Speaker 4: really trying to build a future, because like, where.

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Speaker 1: Do we make another ultimatum and then say, hey, Jack,

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Speaker 1: if you don't tell Max, I will.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, that's a good idea.

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Speaker 5: I think that's a great because that gives him an

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and it's only going to hurt him and his girlfriend.

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Speaker 6: Now, what if Max the maitia, What if Max the

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Speaker 6: Mistress makes an ultimatum get rich or she's about you?

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Speaker 3: Just a guess. It sounds like she's about she's about

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Speaker 2: Let's keep you on.

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Speaker 1: When they left, Pat and I just started discussing our

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Speaker 1: So now we're about to get into like a juicy

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Speaker 5: On the Edge of My Seat, Saga of my Sea.

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Speaker 1: Yeah okay, so remember when we were all like, oh,

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Speaker 1: I have fallen in love with my best friend's ex wife.

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Speaker 2: I knew it. I knew it. My previous post here

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Speaker 3: You guys just broke up a marriage?

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Speaker 2: Whoasteners?

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Speaker 5: Wow?

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Speaker 3: Oh my godly.

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Speaker 2: Right?

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so this so convoluted, but I will try my

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Speaker 1: So about my wife, Pat. Sometimes you think you know

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Speaker 1: Nobody is right or wrong. Pat's approach was very non judgmental,

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Speaker 1: The more I hung out with my former best friend

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Speaker 2: Our disagreements got.

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Speaker 1: More intense and more frequent. I told Pat that this

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Speaker 3: That's me. That's a little cruel.

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Speaker 2: Truly divorce.

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Speaker 1: Of course, she's entitled to believe whatever she wants. That

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Speaker 3: Very self aware, yeah, totally yeah, Yeah.

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Speaker 1: I mean this is like a very non judgmental analysis

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Speaker 2: It feels maybe it's the jealousy.

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Speaker 4: Also, I don't think that's her voice. I think that's

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Speaker 6: It could be just planting seeds of like, oh, this

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Speaker 2: Because of this.

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Speaker 5: And if she's been picking up on the fact that

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Speaker 3: Going on, right nuclear death.

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Speaker 5: So she's like, yeah, I agree with that because I

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Speaker 1: Right. So now we're going to dive into Jack and Max.

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Speaker 1: We just covered Pat going to Jack and Max. Pat

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Speaker 1: And while he is probably not going to be totally

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Speaker 4: You know what's interesting is she was like telling her husband,

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Speaker 4: that goes against Jack and tells the minstress like make

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Speaker 4: it makes sense, and maybe in a weird way, that

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Speaker 3: So maybe she's like.

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Speaker 2: I want Max and Jack to be thegether no secrets.

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Speaker 6: Between It looks weird and I feel like she's riding

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Speaker 1: I know.

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Speaker 4: Didn't she say something like she's already been through a lot.

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Speaker 4: Let her have like she's been a mistress who you're

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Speaker 6: I'm just saying, yeah, if that is not a reading

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Speaker 2: I think we got a little conspiracy.

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Speaker 1: So this put a big wedge between Jack and Max

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Speaker 1: When she heard about my separation from my wife, so

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Speaker 2: Both of us.

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Speaker 1: She said, that since she's gone through something similar, she

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Speaker 3: What a j angel. See she was great the whole time.

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Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, she said that she knew what we were

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Speaker 2: We started talking on the phone and texting.

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Speaker 1: Now almost daily I have met up with her and

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Speaker 2: Day will be just fine when I find one.

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Speaker 3: Thank you beautiful.

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Speaker 1: Not sure if this is love or if I'm falling

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Speaker 1: I just know that I love having her in my life.

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Speaker 1: She is a great friend, and maybe I shouldn't ruin

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Speaker 1: So before we go into some relevant comments, should ope

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Speaker 5: Yet this is that time and the relationship that's delicate

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Speaker 5: I think she's gone through stuff. I think he's gone

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Speaker 2: How much time?

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Speaker 4: I would say always, because like you don't want to

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Speaker 4: But I think that if your person's meant to be

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Speaker 5: It's a classy respec actual move to give her space

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Speaker 2: What do you think, OPI will do.

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Speaker 3: I think he's going to show he's.

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Speaker 4: Gonna shoot it, but he does see it, like he's like,

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Speaker 4: I don't want to ruin our friendship. So I feel

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Speaker 5: I he hasn't told anyone. Yeah, yeah, I love that

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Speaker 3: That friendship building like being there for her.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it already seems somewhat like they're going into dating

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Speaker 2: Like dinners and.

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Speaker 5: Maybe having some kind of conversation would be helpful of

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Speaker 5: on with him, and then they can like plan on

447
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Speaker 5: possibly doing seeing it.

448
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Speaker 3: Through later on the future.

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Speaker 1: One percent they both have feelings for each other. Yes,

450
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Speaker 1: I've never sent daily good morning text to someone I

451
00:20:22,359 --> 00:20:22,920
Speaker 1: wasn't interested in.

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Speaker 3: Oh yeah, absolutely take.

453
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Speaker 2: Care of that. So relevant comment.

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Speaker 1: So de Nina twelve ninety two says, I remember your

455
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Speaker 1: first post, the one we read previously, and I remember

456
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Speaker 1: how I didn't like how your wife responded to the

457
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Speaker 1: whole cheating and becoming friends with the mistress as you

458
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Speaker 1: painted debt. So before you pull the trigger on possibly

459
00:20:44,280 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: blowing up two friendships going further, if that's what Anna wants,

460
00:20:48,600 --> 00:20:51,960
Speaker 1: make sure you're divorced first. But other than that, live

461
00:20:52,000 --> 00:20:54,320
Speaker 1: your life how you want. You only live once as

462
00:20:54,320 --> 00:20:57,800
Speaker 1: far as your former friend misery loves company. Those two

463
00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:00,399
Speaker 1: deserve each other. And then OPI responds, that's what I'm

464
00:21:00,440 --> 00:21:03,359
Speaker 1: planning to do. I have no plans on confessing to Anna,

465
00:21:03,600 --> 00:21:07,040
Speaker 1: and I honestly don't even know what she feels about me.

466
00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:09,439
Speaker 1: What I know is that I'm glad that we are

467
00:21:09,440 --> 00:21:11,160
Speaker 1: friends again, and I think she is too.

468
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Speaker 2: I feel like there's definitely feeling that's the feeling.

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Speaker 6: Let you know what I think it's goes to. You know,

470
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Speaker 6: Op's very respectable behavior of like, I do not want

471
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Speaker 6: to assume that she has feelings.

472
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Speaker 3: I feel like that's maybe just classy, very grass.

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Speaker 1: And then Mobile Difference says, Yeah, I don't know why

474
00:21:28,520 --> 00:21:31,919
Speaker 1: everyone's mad. Your wife was basically supporting cheating. You're not

475
00:21:32,000 --> 00:21:35,080
Speaker 1: even cheating. You separated, and a friendship bloom because of it.

476
00:21:35,119 --> 00:21:38,000
Speaker 1: Birds of a feather flock together. Aka, if my partner

477
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Speaker 1: wanted to be friends with a cheater and their mistress,

478
00:21:40,160 --> 00:21:43,760
Speaker 1: I'd assume they'd want a mistress of their own. And

479
00:21:43,760 --> 00:21:47,359
Speaker 1: then Opie said not even supporting cheating, totally ignoring and

480
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Speaker 1: dismissing my feelings that I didn't want to hang out

481
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Speaker 1: with Jack and Max. It became like a statement from

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Speaker 1: her that these people are in our lives. I never

483
00:21:54,040 --> 00:21:56,359
Speaker 1: took any contact with Anna because I knew my wife

484
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Speaker 1: didn't want that. One simple no was enough. She didn't

485
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Speaker 1: spare me the same decency.

486
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Speaker 4: That's and I mean that's like a huge that's a

487
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Speaker 4: huge red flag.

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Speaker 3: Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And then we have a little bit before we do

490
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Speaker 1: the full post breakdown. We have a little bit more

491
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Speaker 1: additional info from Op regarding his wife. The thing is,

492
00:22:21,480 --> 00:22:24,800
Speaker 1: Jack changed a whole lot too. It wasn't only the

493
00:22:24,880 --> 00:22:28,000
Speaker 1: questionable morality of having an affair. And I don't know

494
00:22:28,080 --> 00:22:30,680
Speaker 1: if he always has been this way, but he never

495
00:22:30,760 --> 00:22:33,080
Speaker 1: needed to show his true colors because he was married

496
00:22:33,119 --> 00:22:35,719
Speaker 1: and a brilliant woman who made him better. So like, basically,

497
00:22:35,760 --> 00:22:37,479
Speaker 1: it's like I always thought maybe he was a great guy,

498
00:22:37,520 --> 00:22:41,040
Speaker 1: because maybe he's na yeah, but in fact the affair

499
00:22:41,119 --> 00:22:43,960
Speaker 1: did change him. He is moronic, bitter, angry all the time,

500
00:22:44,160 --> 00:22:47,240
Speaker 1: so very disrespectful of everything and everyone. He called Anna,

501
00:22:47,359 --> 00:22:49,480
Speaker 1: the mother of his children, awful word I won't repeat.

502
00:22:49,520 --> 00:22:52,399
Speaker 1: And even his new girlfriend, he calls her a disgusting

503
00:22:52,560 --> 00:22:55,920
Speaker 1: gold digger, homewrecker, loser, and ugly, sometimes to her face

504
00:22:55,960 --> 00:22:58,800
Speaker 1: in front of us, making me nauseated and very uncomfortable.

505
00:22:58,880 --> 00:23:01,720
Speaker 1: He hasn't seen his chill since Anna made it clear

506
00:23:01,800 --> 00:23:04,160
Speaker 1: that they would never get back together. Never once did

507
00:23:04,160 --> 00:23:07,399
Speaker 1: he say he misses his children, even I missed them greatly,

508
00:23:07,440 --> 00:23:09,840
Speaker 1: probably more than him. And Pat has seen all these

509
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,480
Speaker 1: changes and it doesn't bother her. Pat the wife, not

510
00:23:13,600 --> 00:23:15,760
Speaker 1: even a little. What she told me was that he

511
00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:19,160
Speaker 1: will have more children with his new girlfriend.

512
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Speaker 4: Wait, my gosh, this is next level I remember we.

513
00:23:25,040 --> 00:23:27,760
Speaker 1: Had after this conversation I never really recovered from him.

514
00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:30,320
Speaker 1: It is true what they say that people show their

515
00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:31,640
Speaker 1: true colors when.

516
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Speaker 2: Time is bad. That is the last bit of information

517
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Speaker 2: we have about this story.

518
00:23:36,240 --> 00:23:36,760
Speaker 3: It's crazy.

519
00:23:36,760 --> 00:23:38,840
Speaker 5: He's like angry and bitter and all this stuff when

520
00:23:38,840 --> 00:23:40,200
Speaker 5: he's the one that caused everything.

521
00:23:40,359 --> 00:23:42,840
Speaker 3: He literally caused everything. He erupted.

522
00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,200
Speaker 5: He's the volcano that made a big mess and he's

523
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:46,320
Speaker 5: mad at everyone else.

524
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Speaker 1: And he created the facade of wealth like it's his

525
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Speaker 1: fault that she thought he Actually that's what I.

526
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Speaker 4: Was going to say. It's very like gaslighting, like to

527
00:23:55,320 --> 00:23:57,880
Speaker 4: call her all these negative things, like you're only into

528
00:23:57,920 --> 00:23:59,720
Speaker 4: me for money, when she's just like, no, I thought

529
00:23:59,760 --> 00:24:01,720
Speaker 4: we had like this life planned and now you're telling

530
00:24:01,720 --> 00:24:05,840
Speaker 4: me it's not, like why are we not going to? Yeah?

531
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Speaker 6: And you know what, like we don't know the exact details,

532
00:24:08,400 --> 00:24:10,200
Speaker 6: but it could have could have totally been At first

533
00:24:10,200 --> 00:24:13,240
Speaker 6: we were like, oh, he's omitting, but what if he

534
00:24:13,359 --> 00:24:15,399
Speaker 6: was hamming it up and like, oh, yeah, we're going

535
00:24:15,480 --> 00:24:19,040
Speaker 6: to have this And maybe that's where Max got all

536
00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,320
Speaker 6: these ideas from of like you know what I'm saying,

537
00:24:22,640 --> 00:24:24,000
Speaker 6: very reasonable, that makes.

538
00:24:23,880 --> 00:24:26,160
Speaker 5: Way more sense because who would just assume that we're

539
00:24:26,200 --> 00:24:30,120
Speaker 5: going to move into your old house? Every decorator right,

540
00:24:30,320 --> 00:24:31,680
Speaker 5: that's baldy as hell.

541
00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:33,480
Speaker 3: So maybe he gave her that idea.

542
00:24:33,680 --> 00:24:35,320
Speaker 2: Probably I got it conspiracy.

543
00:24:35,440 --> 00:24:39,720
Speaker 6: Remember after Anna the wife wouldn't take him back, He's like, Okay,

544
00:24:39,760 --> 00:24:41,560
Speaker 6: now I go back to you. Maybe he was using

545
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:44,639
Speaker 6: that as a way to convince her to get back

546
00:24:44,800 --> 00:24:45,360
Speaker 6: and be in.

547
00:24:45,280 --> 00:24:47,600
Speaker 2: A relationship with MSP. He's like, now he's bitter.

548
00:24:47,840 --> 00:24:50,440
Speaker 6: Listen, baby, I know it didn't I know it didn't work.

549
00:24:50,440 --> 00:24:52,040
Speaker 6: I know I know it feels like I'm coming back

550
00:24:52,080 --> 00:24:53,479
Speaker 6: to you, but I'm going to give you this some

551
00:24:53,640 --> 00:24:56,000
Speaker 6: beautiful home we're going to redecorate. What is your dream

552
00:24:56,080 --> 00:24:58,119
Speaker 6: vision work, I'm going to give it to you, baby.

553
00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:02,480
Speaker 4: Damn. I mean we're like the kids thing, Like we're

554
00:25:02,960 --> 00:25:06,199
Speaker 4: teetering on like a little bit of like sociopath because

555
00:25:06,280 --> 00:25:08,800
Speaker 4: like how do you care about your children? Until your

556
00:25:08,800 --> 00:25:10,560
Speaker 4: wife is like we're never getting back together, and then

557
00:25:10,600 --> 00:25:11,520
Speaker 4: you're like, okay.

558
00:25:12,080 --> 00:25:14,720
Speaker 3: I've never talked to you. It could never imagine.

559
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,479
Speaker 4: To me, Like I think he's showing so much of himself,

560
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:20,600
Speaker 4: which is why OP is like, I don't like, you're

561
00:25:20,640 --> 00:25:22,560
Speaker 4: not the person that I knew. So it's not even

562
00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,720
Speaker 4: like he's going against his friend, like his friend no

563
00:25:24,760 --> 00:25:28,200
Speaker 4: longer r ip your old friend, like he's not there anymore.

564
00:25:28,680 --> 00:25:31,720
Speaker 1: Yeah, yeah, I think I think where it ended is

565
00:25:31,760 --> 00:25:35,120
Speaker 1: honestly the best that it could, Like like everyone showed

566
00:25:35,160 --> 00:25:37,879
Speaker 1: their true colors, and the bad people went with the

567
00:25:37,920 --> 00:25:39,840
Speaker 1: bad people, and people stuck together.

568
00:25:40,119 --> 00:25:41,600
Speaker 3: Yeah that's what it seems like.

569
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Speaker 1: Kind and.

570
00:25:48,359 --> 00:25:50,040
Speaker 2: Another story for me, I.

571
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Speaker 3: Do tell Yeah, I am. These stories are great.

572
00:25:54,280 --> 00:25:57,040
Speaker 6: Oh we brought the tea