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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Giants Huddle him in New York Giants podcast.

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Speaker 1: My name is John Smokin. Welcome to the newest edition

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Speaker 1: of the Giants Huddle podcast, lands Meadow with us as well.

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Speaker 1: Today's guest will be Sal Palantonio from ESPN. We talked

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Speaker 1: to Sal about the New York Football Giants, the NFC East,

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Speaker 1: and we go around the league a little bit, talking

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Speaker 1: changes in the National Football League. Before we get to Sal, first,

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Speaker 1: to our guest South Palestonio, who covers the NFL for ESPN.

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Speaker 1: Salad's great to talk to you. Got John Schmilkin Lance

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Speaker 1: Medal here in the Giants facility, Nas Rutherford. How's your

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Speaker 1: summer going pretty good? I'm not bad at all. Decided

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Speaker 1: to uh take a little bit more time this summer

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Speaker 1: because last year I was blessed to write the Eagles

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Speaker 1: Championship book, and you know that's uh, that's a lot

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Speaker 1: of works. So I decided this was the summer where

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Speaker 1: I would, you know, set that all aside. Since the

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Speaker 1: time that Carson Wentz was drafted and Don Peterson was hired,

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Speaker 1: pretty much been on the go NonStop for three solid years.

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Speaker 1: So this was this was a little bit of a

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Speaker 1: of a nice break this summer. But you know, it's

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Speaker 1: going to be an exciting year, certainly in the NFC

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Speaker 1: East to so many big storylines. Just in the NFC East,

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Speaker 1: there really is yes, I know that about it. And

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Speaker 1: let's start right there with the Giants. Your overall take

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Speaker 1: on their off season. We know about Daniel Jones and

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Speaker 1: the draft, uh, Kevin Zeitler trade, the Odell Beckham in

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Speaker 1: your trade, A lot of movement. Dave Gentleman continues to

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Speaker 1: transform the roster. Do you see what he's trying to

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Speaker 1: do in the plan? What's your take on what gentleman's

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Speaker 1: path was this offseason for the Giants. Well, let's start

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Speaker 1: with Beckon Jr. I was definitely all on board with

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Speaker 1: the trade. Um. I thought it was definitely addition by

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Speaker 1: subtraction for the team. Don't forget he missed half of

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Speaker 1: the season and each of the last two years wasn't

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Speaker 1: available to the team. And I think what they got

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Speaker 1: in in exchange was a win, but that it really

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Speaker 1: would help the team on both offensive defense for sure.

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Speaker 1: Uh you know the Daniel Jones. I was there, as

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Speaker 1: you know, for the drafting of Daniel Jones. And as

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Speaker 1: you know, I've always been a great, great admirer of

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Speaker 1: Eli Manning. People always ask me who's my favorite player

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Speaker 1: always accessible, always willing to take the tough questions, a

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Speaker 1: real mench and I think it's really an interesting time

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Speaker 1: for the team regarding Eli Manning. I'm I'm a voter

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Speaker 1: on the Pro Football Hall of Fame selection Committee, one

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Speaker 1: of the forty six voters, and Eli's got my vote.

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Speaker 1: Elis got my vote first ballot Hall of Fame. He

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Speaker 1: went two Super Bowls the way he did um, I've

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Speaker 1: other thought he was extremely tough, But you know, time

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Speaker 1: and the quarterback position on the team needs to get pushed,

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Speaker 1: and it'll be interesting to see whether Daniel Jones can

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Speaker 1: push him. And I've talked to Eli a couple of

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Speaker 1: times this offseason for ESPN, and it's pretty clear he

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Speaker 1: And he's a competitive soul, you know, it's quiet. So

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Speaker 1: it's gonna be a very interesting year considering this is

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Speaker 1: the first time in his year he's felling into the

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Speaker 1: last to you of this contract well, and I think

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Speaker 1: you bring up a very interesting points now because there's

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Speaker 1: timeline playing out? You know, based on your conversations with Eli,

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Speaker 1: how Daniel Jones is gonna play. Is there an inevitability

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Speaker 1: head coach and on Mr Calman. So I don't really

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Speaker 1: And I don't think the Giants would have it any

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Speaker 1: to the Beckham trade for a moment, what do you

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Speaker 1: think this offense is going to look like without him?

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Speaker 1: Kevin Zeisler. They brought in Golden Tate, Evan Ingram. It's

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Speaker 1: to look like without number thirteen out there? Well, you

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Speaker 1: know there's been a client revolution in NFL. Offense is

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Speaker 1: look at snap to release time way have made it

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Speaker 1: last year. Now I know some of it was People

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Speaker 1: But nevertheless, those points were scored, and I think that

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Speaker 1: the Giants the magic number. If you go through it, guys,

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Speaker 1: If you score four hundred points in this league, you

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Speaker 1: And that busy puts it around two points a game,

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Speaker 1: the final four games last year and what you were

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Speaker 1: talking what you were talking about, sal is a stat

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Speaker 1: that a lot of people are thrown out, not just

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Speaker 1: you in terms of your right last season to define

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Speaker 1: the Giants campaign, they scored the most points of all

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Speaker 1: Olivier vernon question about pass rush, what's your synopsis of

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Speaker 1: have figured out what the Patriots have been doing, and

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Speaker 1: It's nearly impossible to get to the quarterback in under

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Speaker 1: that is Greg Corsell down in NFL films. Nobody's better

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Speaker 1: rusher position. Absolutely, but I think right now the NFC

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Speaker 1: Trust Scout is gonna get paid. They got healthier on

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Speaker 1: I agree with you, Sal, I think also the Eagles

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Speaker 1: depth chart has immensely changed. To you. You brought up

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Speaker 1: Nick Foles when you talk about statistical breakdowns. I mean

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Speaker 1: fact that Carson Wentz has improven his terribility. Yeah, A tad,

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Speaker 1: sal certainly. But but you know what interesting, Li Saale,

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Speaker 1: And you know the Eagles better anybody. They've got a

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Speaker 1: But the bottom line is, I think players in Major

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Speaker 1: we really appreciate the time, man, thanks so much. Enjoy

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Speaker 1: the rest of your time off, and then we hit

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Speaker 1: the grind in about a week, my friend, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: Sal Yeah, I'm gonna I'm gonna see up at Quest

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Speaker 1: I can't wait to see you. South, thanks a lot.

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Speaker 1: Thanks for having me on the show. I really really appreciate.

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Speaker 1: Absolutely make sure you check out South Palontonio host of

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Speaker 1: the g NFL Matchup show. They do a great job

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Speaker 1: on ESPN. Is my favorite show you guys have on

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Speaker 1: A lot of stuff in there about Eli and the Giants.

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Speaker 1: You like it. I appreciate that. South, Thank you very

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