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Speaker 1: Media. What's pew in my pews? This is Robert Evans

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Speaker 1: and it could happen here? A podcast about it happening here,

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Speaker 1: as it seems to be more every week and when

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Speaker 1: things get worse, one thing that a lot of folks

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Speaker 1: start talking about is should I buy a gun? And

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Speaker 1: obviously this is a fraught question and the only responsible

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Speaker 1: answers to it are very complicated. And so to talk

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Speaker 1: over some very complicated answers, we've got James Stout and

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Speaker 1: we have in the audience with us the great Carl Casarta,

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Speaker 1: Carl of en Range TV. Thank you for coming on

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Speaker 1: to be our resident firearms expert in this podcast where

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Speaker 1: we try not to be deeply irresponsible.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, thank you for having me on.

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Speaker 3: It's always a pleasure to come back to the show

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Speaker 3: and people always ask for more collabs, and here we.

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Speaker 2: Are, but on a very important topic.

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Speaker 3: And yes, Billy, courtion I have is now is when

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Speaker 3: do you change the name of the podcast too?

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Speaker 1: Oh no, it's happening here. We're talking with the marketing people.

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Speaker 1: It done happened here. Oh shit, it's happening again. It's

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Speaker 1: been happening here. Yeah, here it is here now right

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Speaker 1: in this moment be here now it.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, we got to work out which one seo's best.

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Speaker 2: But we're on it.

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Speaker 4: Carl, don't worry. We're working on it so as I

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Speaker 4: think both of you know, but maybe listeners don't. Gun

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Speaker 4: sales typically saw before elections as to ammunition purchases. People

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Speaker 4: are afraid of gun bans has been traditionally one reason why,

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Speaker 4: and the firearms industry is not afraid of hyping those

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Speaker 4: up to increase sales in election years. Normally, prices increase

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Speaker 4: in line with demand. Like if you go back to

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Speaker 4: November twenty twenty and look at the prices of ammunition

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Speaker 4: and guns compared to now, you'll see how much incredibly

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Speaker 4: high they were. That was for a number of reasons.

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Speaker 4: But considering inflation, gun prices are pretty low right now.

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Speaker 1: You know that is kind of a recurrent thing. For

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Speaker 1: the most part is that while every thing else gets

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Speaker 1: more expensive, television and firearms remain affordable.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, gun gone to the point where they are more

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Speaker 3: affordable than they have ever been.

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Speaker 2: Uh huh.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, they really are. Air fifteens, or I used to

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Speaker 3: talk about this on air. Fifteens are essentially cord wood

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Speaker 3: and you can get a fully fled Good to Go

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Speaker 3: Air fifteen now for like four to five hundred bucks.

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Speaker 3: The epistols for two hundred and fifty bucks. Yeah, the

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Speaker 3: prices on guns are like through the floor. And yeah,

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Speaker 3: it's interesting to note that, Like, if you are a

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Speaker 3: gun manufacturer, a firearms dealer, even if you don't hype elections,

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Speaker 3: it would be unintelligent of you to not prep for

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Speaker 3: elections because they're so consistently, Yeah, the Christmas of gun sales.

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Speaker 3: So this is an instance in which we didn't see that.

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Speaker 3: It's kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: I think there's an element because obviously when we talk

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Speaker 1: I think to people who are not into guns and

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Speaker 1: that's very bad, and there's definitely downsides to that. But

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Speaker 1: an upside of that is it does kind of suggest

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Speaker 1: we are not seeing the degree of panicked hoarding for

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Speaker 1: a civil war that we have seen at previous points

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Speaker 1: when gun prices were not as as cratered and am

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Speaker 1: O prices were a lot higher and availability availability was

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Speaker 1: a lot lower. Like in some ways, that's kind of

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Speaker 3: Yeah, or the dark side of that is the traditional

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Speaker 3: prepper air quote is so saturated in guns and ammunition, right,

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Speaker 2: Don't even need another one, right.

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Speaker 1: Well, that's I think that is where a lot of

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Speaker 4: Ye. Also, like capacity really increased in twenty twenty, and

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Speaker 4: I think they've been pumping out like it's interesting to

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Speaker 4: five six ammunition, which if you're not familiar, are like

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Speaker 3: The funny thing that, yeah, five five six and nine milimeters,

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Speaker 2: Demand is and will continue to be.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I can't find you can't see it. I have

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Speaker 1: Now, and this is going to be a problem because

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Speaker 1: Harrison Ford going to use to save us? Anyway? Nobody

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Speaker 1: saw that movie? Why am I making that joke?

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Speaker 3: Let me know, I've got a good stashion.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, we're all going to be leaning heavily on carl.

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Speaker 1: Call for humanity. So I think we've gotten a little

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Speaker 1: bit ahead of our skis here. We should we should

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Speaker 1: start by talking because again, I think we've all seen

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Speaker 1: Trump's victory. Yeah, and I think the first caveat we

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Speaker 1: a way that is totally reasonable to this news, being depressed, right,

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Speaker 1: if you're somebody who deals with suicidal ideation, if you

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Speaker 1: have been spiraling lately, if you have been thinking about

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Speaker 1: self harm, if you are just not in a stable

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Speaker 1: I assure you they will be available in the future.

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Speaker 1: They are not going to get harder to buy.

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Speaker 3: No, you know, it mights be of a line from

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Speaker 3: the movie We Were Soldiers, which is actually a pretty

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Speaker 3: pretty good movie speaking oh yeah, yeah, yeah, it's a

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Speaker 3: And there's a scene where like the old hardened soldier

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Speaker 3: and he's like, he's just got a pistol, and like

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Speaker 3: everyone's around him saying don't you one? In m sixteen

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Speaker 1: even so, I wouldn't say that elevates it above a threat.

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Speaker 1: If you are dealing with suicidal ideation, having a gun

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Speaker 1: I think the other side of it that Carl, you

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Speaker 1: is that if you are going to buy a firearm,

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Speaker 1: where someone is threatening your life, you have to train

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Speaker 3: No, absolutely, I think that not to make to make

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Speaker 3: And that's not to say that the perceived threat that

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Speaker 4: Right, Yeah, I mean maybe we should address like a

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Speaker 4: have ex budget to buy a gun, Robert Olson mentioned

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Speaker 1: Yeah, I think that that might be a good place

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Speaker 1: Like what would you do? What would you advise someone

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Speaker 3: So it's such a nuanced question and answer because there's

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Speaker 3: I mean, like, these things all come into the equation

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Speaker 2: So the first thing you have to.

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Speaker 3: Think about is I thought, I'm taken possession of responsibility

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Speaker 4: It's our obligation to pivot to advertisements about every fifteen

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Speaker 3: This is an instance in which the good old man again,

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Speaker 1: Yeah, it's one of those I think because I do change,

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Speaker 1: you're pumping it, right, and like that is there's muscle

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Speaker 1: memory that has to be built there. Right, it's harder,

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Speaker 1: you know, maybe a little bit slower to get up

442
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Speaker 1: to a level or at least you have to train

443
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Speaker 1: differently with it.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 1: The other thing about it is that like it loads

446
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Speaker 1: very differently. You know, a shotgun is a completely different

447
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Speaker 1: kind of ammunition than an AR has, which all goes

448
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Speaker 1: back to the whole like you have to be willing

449
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Speaker 1: to train with whatever it is going to use fair enough.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, So ideally, like if you're in this position of thinking,

451
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Speaker 4: if you can find a friend or failing that, arrange

452
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Speaker 4: that will allow you to try different guns. I think

453
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Speaker 4: as a novice you're going to pick up if you've

454
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Speaker 4: never shot a gun before, I probably wouldn't pick up

455
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Speaker 4: a twelve good shotgun and start pewing away because the

456
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Speaker 4: recoil will be quite profound and notable to you. So

457
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Speaker 4: don't start there. Start with something else.

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Speaker 2: There's smaller shotguns at twenty gauge.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, and those are fine, especially if you're a smaller

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Speaker 4: statute person. Even a twenty eight or sixteens are hard

461
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Speaker 4: to probably buy defensive ammunition for. But I think if

462
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Speaker 4: you can when you begin that journey, like after the

463
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Speaker 4: TV Blell say, with hangguns, find one that fits your hand.

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Speaker 4: You probably have no idea what fits you and feels

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Speaker 4: good if you're just starting out. Yeah, finding someone who

466
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Speaker 4: is local to you, ideally who has some experience who

467
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Speaker 4: can help you along that process, I think, and someone

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Speaker 4: who you trust, right Like I've been like I have

469
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Speaker 4: to train. I have a concealed carry weapons permit in California.

470
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Speaker 4: The last time I went to take a course, like

471
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Speaker 4: from the outset, I got like xenophobia, homophobia, like jokes

472
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Speaker 4: that I guess the guy who was instructing a course

473
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Speaker 4: thought that everyone was in on just like they made

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Speaker 4: me feel unwelcome. And I'm a cis het white guy. Yeah,

475
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Speaker 4: but I think maybe we should address that, like if

476
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Speaker 4: you're thinking getting started, what kind of instruction should you

477
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Speaker 4: look for? Where should you look for it? And like

478
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Speaker 4: what would you recommend maybe other sources to Kyle, Like

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Speaker 4: your YouTube channel has been a great resource for me.

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Speaker 3: This is this is where we're in the firearms it's

481
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Speaker 3: owning a thing doesn't make a community. So there's always

482
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Speaker 3: a phrase the gun community. It's not a thing owning.

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Speaker 3: Owning a thing doesn't make a community. A community is

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Speaker 3: a group of people that bond together over a mutual

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Speaker 3: beliefs and hopefully care for one another. So there's no

486
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Speaker 3: firearms community. But that's the broad scope of people that

487
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Speaker 3: have been interested in the topic for the longest doration

488
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Speaker 3: of time. Has been mostly succeeded to a group that

489
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Speaker 3: we would not find ourselves lined with or comfortable with

490
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Speaker 3: being around. And so this is where the community building

491
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Speaker 3: thing is real because the more we build communities and

492
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Speaker 3: we're behind in this regards in terms two alternative voices

493
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Speaker 3: in the firearm space, but the more we build that

494
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Speaker 3: community not only online but amongst one another, the more

495
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Speaker 3: we're going to have safer, better spaces for us to

496
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Speaker 3: work together to learn how to use these things safely

497
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Speaker 3: and efficiently, and that is a challenge if you walk

498
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Speaker 3: in sight unseen to a place that is probably foreign

499
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Speaker 3: to you in firearms land, sadly, at this time point

500
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Speaker 3: in time, is a pretty good chance it's not going

501
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Speaker 3: to be something you're gonna be comfortable with, quite honestly,

502
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Speaker 3: just like you mentioned, James, like, it's going to be

503
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Speaker 3: that kind of stuff. There's probably gonna be Trump stuff

504
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Speaker 3: on the wall, there's probably going you're probably gonna hear

505
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Speaker 3: some jokes that are just jokes, but you know they're

506
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Speaker 3: really not that's the kind of space that.

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Speaker 2: That's filled with.

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Speaker 3: And so when people come and say, well, who can

509
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Speaker 3: I go to to get this training with, I'm like,

510
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Speaker 3: that's challenging. There's some options online, there's like Operation Blazing Sword,

511
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Speaker 3: There's there's there's the Liberal Gun Club has some training

512
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Speaker 3: options as well. But what's better is finding people and

513
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Speaker 3: interconnecting with people of like mind around you if you can,

514
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Speaker 3: and working together and then actually building a real community

515
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Speaker 3: that isn't a gun community, and that's where we're going

516
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Speaker 3: to find solace and the ability to get better with

517
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Speaker 3: this stuff together. Not a great exactly a strong answer,

518
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Speaker 3: but if the truth but if you're going in, if

519
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Speaker 3: you're going in just unhindered, you're going to expect it

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Speaker 3: to be a place that you're probably not.

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Speaker 2: Going to be happy with.

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Speaker 4: Yeah.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, and I think that's a really good point. I'd

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Speaker 2: like it.

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Speaker 1: Can we talk a little bit more about training options

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Speaker 1: like not just because you mentioned Operation Blazing Sword, I'd

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Speaker 1: like to hear a little more about them, but also

528
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Speaker 1: where people could go for like reading and videos in

529
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Speaker 1: order to kind of find more information on how to

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Speaker 1: develop proficiency.

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Speaker 2: Yeah.

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Speaker 3: So okay, So YouTube university doesn't teach you how to

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Speaker 3: actually like effectively hit targets with something that stiffly that

534
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Speaker 3: I you can you can't.

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Speaker 2: There's no way to learn that besides doing it.

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Speaker 3: But in terms of general firearms understand and learning some

537
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Speaker 3: of the history, learning about how guns work, there are

538
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Speaker 3: some YouTube resources out there. Tactical girlfriend you already mentioned,

539
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Speaker 3: has four years of a legacy of content on her

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Speaker 3: site that a lot of it is focused on beginner

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Speaker 3: style content. In fact, she just posted a playlist. She

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Speaker 3: has kind of stopped making videos in general, she mentioned

543
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Speaker 3: that a while back, but she still has her content

544
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Speaker 3: online and she posted a playlist recently of all of

545
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Speaker 3: her how to get going videos one oh one stuff,

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Speaker 3: and that would kind of be where I'd start with. Yes, absolutely,

547
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Speaker 3: my channel in range TV has some of that. I

548
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Speaker 3: tend to focus a little bit on the more esoteric

549
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Speaker 3: and like next level things, but that's not to say

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Speaker 3: it's not there as well. So I'm not trying to

551
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Speaker 3: sell promote, but I would actually say her playlist is

552
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Speaker 3: going to be better than some of my own, although we.

553
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Speaker 2: Have stuff like that on range TV as well.

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Speaker 3: If you want to open up that dark boy called Reddit,

555
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Speaker 3: the Liberal Gun Club has resources on it.

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Speaker 2: If you go there, they have a list of people

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Speaker 2: and local resources. You can also google the Liberal Gun Club.

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Speaker 3: I'm not even trying to say anyone doing that is

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Speaker 3: necessarily identifying as a liberal, but they are. They have

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Speaker 3: gathered lists of statewide resources as many as they can

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Speaker 3: that are providing training in regional places. That would be

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Speaker 3: a good place to start. Operation Blating Sword is a

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Speaker 3: subset of that Blake I'll I can I pronounced them

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Speaker 3: that day. Blake has been on my channel and you'll

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Speaker 3: find him there in the Liberal Gun Club listing. When

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Speaker 3: I think of that, I would say, go to YouTube,

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Speaker 3: hit up Tactical Girlfriend, go to Innrings TV if you

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Speaker 3: want to see maybe not one on one but next

569
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Speaker 3: level stuff, but a friendly space to you. And then

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Speaker 3: check out the Liberal Gun Club best I can say,

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Speaker 3: because they do have a list of resources that they're

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Speaker 3: gathering across the country.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, and I think one thing that Tactical Girlfriend talks

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Speaker 1: about that is a cause because you're right, and I

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Speaker 1: think this is an important point that, like, you have

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Speaker 1: to spend time shooting, and you know that costs money

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Speaker 1: in order to get better, But there is one thing

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Speaker 1: that you can do that does not cost ongoing money

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Speaker 1: to get better with a handgun. If you're again looking

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Speaker 1: to carry a gun, which is dry fire training, right,

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Speaker 1: which is a very useful process of building proficiency. You

582
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Speaker 1: can do it. I mean you could do it every

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Speaker 1: day if you want. It will help. It does not

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Speaker 1: replace needing to go shoot right, But you can find guides.

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Speaker 1: Tactical Girlfriend talks about it a lot, but you can

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Speaker 1: find other guides online and that is a way that

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Speaker 1: you can kind of stretch your AMMO budget and gain

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Speaker 1: additional proficiency.

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Speaker 3: There are even products designed specifically for that, one of

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Speaker 3: them possul Mind, and there are others like mantis X,

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Speaker 3: and you make sure your gun is safely unloaded in

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Speaker 3: your proficient with that part of it.

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Speaker 2: You put these devices in and you can actually fire.

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Speaker 3: A dry fire is firing with no ammunition in the gun.

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Speaker 3: Click at a target on the wall, and it'll teach

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Speaker 3: you things about like did you pull to the right,

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Speaker 3: did you push to the did you dip the gun?

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Speaker 3: And those are very good products that you can use

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Speaker 3: once you buy them. Gets more money, but you could

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Speaker 3: train proficiently in a safe place without firing live ammunition

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Speaker 3: and improve your skills quite a bit.

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Speaker 2: That's good point. Yep.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, I would say another organization, I would plug this

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Speaker 4: armed equality, especially if like LGBTQIA people a friend of mine,

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Speaker 4: very nice people. We should go back then to that,

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Speaker 4: like Roberts mentioned dry firing, we've meant.

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Speaker 2: Well first I think we need to go to ads.

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Speaker 4: Jess, you're right, Robert, we should go back to Chumba casino.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, so dry fire at the wall and think of

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Speaker 1: trump a casino or.

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Speaker 3: Just download an upgrade from neural link that you got

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Speaker 3: from Elong.

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Speaker 2: Yep. That's right, that's right. Our primary sponsors a rain ship.

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Speaker 4: All right, we're back. So We've had discussion about training,

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Speaker 4: safe storage, and a little bit about like what to

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Speaker 4: look at firearms wise, but I want to go back

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Speaker 4: to that third one, because you are marketed at so

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Speaker 4: heavily when you're trying to buy a firearm, right and

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Speaker 4: the likelihood of you getting misinformation.

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Speaker 2: Right.

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Speaker 4: We all know smaller statute people who have been given

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Speaker 4: yeah as snubnose thirty eight a gun that's entirely inappropriate

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Speaker 4: for them. Cow what like if you could maybe go

624
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Speaker 4: through like each major category, right, if we do hanggun, shotgun,

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Speaker 4: semi automatic rifle, maybe one that is compatible with AR

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Speaker 4: band states, and one that's you know, yeah, you're in

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Speaker 4: real America.

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Speaker 1: There are some options like the ares SCR that are

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Speaker 1: basically AR fifteen's that are a lot easier to keep

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Speaker 1: in compliance in a state like California, but they are

631
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Speaker 1: also more than twice as expensive as like a budget

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Speaker 1: AR fifteen, right, Like, which is not to say it's

633
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Speaker 1: impossible to have a budget AR fifteen that is in

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Speaker 1: comp a lot in compliance with California law. It's just

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Speaker 1: I am not going to take on the responsibility of

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Speaker 1: telling you how to do that legally, because when I

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Speaker 1: lived in California. I was only about eighty percent sure

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Speaker 1: that I was in compliance.

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Speaker 2: With the law.

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Speaker 4: If you're in California, my advice would be to go

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Speaker 4: to a shop and buy the gun complete. Yes, don't

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Speaker 4: piece it together off the internet.

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Speaker 2: That's good at good advice.

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Speaker 3: Well, if you're a new gun on or don't pet

645
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Speaker 3: anything together because the knowledge to make something reliable that

646
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Speaker 3: you've put together from bits and pieces is not a

647
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Speaker 3: good idea. You want something that's got to I mean literally,

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Speaker 3: you want something from a quote unquote reputable manufacturer that

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Speaker 3: has a warranty.

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Speaker 2: Like, let's just be that.

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Speaker 3: Don't even start with trying to put something together. Yeah, yeah,

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Speaker 3: So let's just go ahead and start with pistol. So

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Speaker 3: the challenge there is like, of course, it would be

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Speaker 3: very nice to be able to buy like four of them,

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Speaker 3: because you can train with the twenty two and practice

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Speaker 3: with this. But let's go with the constraint that we

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Speaker 3: had earlier, of this thousand dollars and you're going to

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Speaker 3: buy a pistol and with it you plan to train,

659
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:33,600
Speaker 3: get better, be proficient, but also maybe have to use

660
00:29:33,640 --> 00:29:35,680
Speaker 3: it for self defense. You really want to stick with

661
00:29:35,720 --> 00:29:37,760
Speaker 3: a nine millimeter I mean there are smaller guns like

662
00:29:37,800 --> 00:29:39,600
Speaker 3: three eighties and such like that, but we're getting into

663
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:40,360
Speaker 3: specialist guns.

664
00:29:40,480 --> 00:29:40,760
Speaker 2: Yeah.

665
00:29:40,800 --> 00:29:42,760
Speaker 3: What is what I'm going to say here across the board?

666
00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:44,520
Speaker 3: When I recommend something, it's going to be the opposite

667
00:29:44,560 --> 00:29:46,640
Speaker 3: of specialist. It's going to be the most bland, boring

668
00:29:46,720 --> 00:29:47,360
Speaker 3: possible thing.

669
00:29:47,560 --> 00:29:47,760
Speaker 4: Yeah.

670
00:29:47,800 --> 00:29:49,600
Speaker 3: And when it comes to that, and I know that

671
00:29:49,640 --> 00:29:53,160
Speaker 3: everyone like. But it's a it's a nine milimeter probably

672
00:29:53,200 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 3: a glock.

673
00:29:53,840 --> 00:29:54,040
Speaker 2: Yep.

674
00:29:54,120 --> 00:29:57,920
Speaker 3: The glock nineteen is a relatively reasonably sized gun. The

675
00:29:57,920 --> 00:30:00,000
Speaker 3: seventeen is a little bigger the nineteens. In this night

676
00:30:00,160 --> 00:30:02,760
Speaker 3: middle ground, it is carriable, it's small enough to be

677
00:30:02,760 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 3: concealed should you have the right to do so.

678
00:30:04,840 --> 00:30:05,920
Speaker 2: But it's big enough.

679
00:30:05,720 --> 00:30:09,960
Speaker 3: To be viable for being reasonably accurate with with not

680
00:30:10,160 --> 00:30:12,200
Speaker 3: extensive amounts of training, but enough training to be to

681
00:30:12,200 --> 00:30:12,680
Speaker 3: get good.

682
00:30:12,880 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: Yeah. And it's a bunch around the nine millimeters magazine

683
00:30:16,040 --> 00:30:18,600
Speaker 2: that just playing works Yep, Yeah, yep.

684
00:30:18,840 --> 00:30:21,280
Speaker 4: If you're on a tight digit, I will say that

685
00:30:21,360 --> 00:30:24,320
Speaker 4: cops are always you can find trade in police clocks

686
00:30:24,360 --> 00:30:27,560
Speaker 4: pretty cheap, cops don't shoot very much. You can sometimes

687
00:30:27,560 --> 00:30:28,800
Speaker 4: get some pretty good deals on those.

688
00:30:29,040 --> 00:30:29,800
Speaker 2: Yep. That's it.

689
00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:31,959
Speaker 3: I'm revealing a little bit of future history of what's

690
00:30:32,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 3: going on in range. We're doing a video in a

691
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,640
Speaker 3: couple of weeks. There is a strange trade imbalance between

692
00:30:37,720 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 3: us and never mind the politics, yep, Turkey and they

693
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,440
Speaker 3: are making some really high end, well made gun. There

694
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,080
Speaker 3: is a glock clone from Turkey that I can't vouch

695
00:30:47,080 --> 00:30:48,880
Speaker 3: for yet. But this is the kind of where we're

696
00:30:48,880 --> 00:30:51,920
Speaker 3: at in the gun space. This thing is interchangeable with

697
00:30:51,960 --> 00:30:54,760
Speaker 3: all glock parts and the guns like two hundred fifty bucks.

698
00:30:54,840 --> 00:30:55,920
Speaker 4: Oh well you can't.

699
00:30:56,160 --> 00:30:56,560
Speaker 2: We don't know.

700
00:30:56,640 --> 00:30:58,520
Speaker 3: Yeah, I'm not saying go buy that, but I'm saying

701
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,400
Speaker 3: we're going to do a review of it. The point

702
00:31:00,480 --> 00:31:02,720
Speaker 3: is there are glocks and glock like things that can

703
00:31:02,760 --> 00:31:03,640
Speaker 3: get the price down.

704
00:31:04,120 --> 00:31:06,160
Speaker 1: Yeah, right, And so you're looking at you know, if

705
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,440
Speaker 1: you get a budget ar for five hundred bucks, you know,

706
00:31:09,520 --> 00:31:13,080
Speaker 1: a budget not a nine millimeter handgun. Because even if

707
00:31:13,160 --> 00:31:15,960
Speaker 1: with not counting that one, there are other budget options

708
00:31:16,000 --> 00:31:19,040
Speaker 1: that are in the three hundred ish dollar range. You

709
00:31:19,160 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: just have to look around a bit. And I should

710
00:31:21,560 --> 00:31:24,560
Speaker 1: also note buying used with a firearm is not like

711
00:31:24,640 --> 00:31:27,600
Speaker 1: buying used with electronics. If a gun is well maintained,

712
00:31:27,600 --> 00:31:30,320
Speaker 1: it will outlast you. Yeah, right, there are some parts

713
00:31:30,360 --> 00:31:32,640
Speaker 1: that will need replacing from time to time. Right, Your

714
00:31:32,720 --> 00:31:35,280
Speaker 1: springs and stuff are going to age faster than other things.

715
00:31:35,680 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: And like barrels, you can shoot out, but it takes

716
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,240
Speaker 1: quite a bit of shooting to shoot a barrel, you know, smooth, right,

717
00:31:42,600 --> 00:31:45,840
Speaker 1: So it's never a bad to consider like finding, like

718
00:31:45,840 --> 00:31:47,920
Speaker 1: you said, like a police trade in or something like that,

719
00:31:47,960 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: like that could be a great way to save money.

720
00:31:49,840 --> 00:31:50,400
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

721
00:31:50,440 --> 00:31:52,160
Speaker 3: So when it comes to a pistol, we're talking about

722
00:31:52,160 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 3: buying just one pretty much boil it down to a

723
00:31:55,000 --> 00:31:58,600
Speaker 3: nine millimeter yep. That is probably a polymer frame gune,

724
00:31:58,640 --> 00:32:01,920
Speaker 3: not some big heavy steel thing. A glock is like

725
00:32:02,000 --> 00:32:04,120
Speaker 3: the de facto, but there are others. I mean, there's

726
00:32:04,200 --> 00:32:05,680
Speaker 3: there's hk is, there's rugers.

727
00:32:05,720 --> 00:32:09,520
Speaker 1: Yeah, I like SIGs, but they're pricier. Yeah, yeah, yeah.

728
00:32:09,600 --> 00:32:11,880
Speaker 1: The thing about glock is block's been around forever. It's

729
00:32:11,920 --> 00:32:17,160
Speaker 1: the standard, finding, accessorizing, buying magazines, or even getting repairs

730
00:32:17,200 --> 00:32:19,479
Speaker 1: done to a block is ubiquitous across the country. If

731
00:32:19,480 --> 00:32:21,520
Speaker 1: you get a glock, you'll be able to deal with it,

732
00:32:21,560 --> 00:32:23,520
Speaker 1: fix it, do whatever you want to it straight up.

733
00:32:24,280 --> 00:32:27,239
Speaker 1: And what has helped me a lot in general, is

734
00:32:27,280 --> 00:32:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, I have my carry gun, I have my

735
00:32:30,360 --> 00:32:33,880
Speaker 1: home defense firearm, and then I have I have bought

736
00:32:33,920 --> 00:32:36,080
Speaker 1: built a couple of firearms from the ground up, and

737
00:32:36,120 --> 00:32:37,880
Speaker 1: I would certainly, as you said, I would never have

738
00:32:38,000 --> 00:32:40,720
Speaker 1: started there. But because I had the extra money doing

739
00:32:40,760 --> 00:32:43,080
Speaker 1: that means that has given me so much deeper of

740
00:32:43,120 --> 00:32:45,720
Speaker 1: an understanding of what goes wrong when things do go

741
00:32:45,840 --> 00:32:48,200
Speaker 1: wrong with a gun and how to fix it. Like

742
00:32:48,240 --> 00:32:52,120
Speaker 1: I've replaced every part on my carry gun at this point,

743
00:32:52,200 --> 00:32:55,560
Speaker 1: right like over time, and it's like given me a

744
00:32:55,640 --> 00:32:58,040
Speaker 1: much deeper level of understanding of just like mechanically how

745
00:32:58,040 --> 00:33:00,520
Speaker 1: these things function. You know, building an AR fifteen was

746
00:33:00,560 --> 00:33:03,880
Speaker 1: the same process, and I'm really I do find that valuable.

747
00:33:03,960 --> 00:33:08,520
Speaker 1: Obviously it's throwing more money at the problem too, totally.

748
00:33:08,600 --> 00:33:08,719
Speaker 5: So.

749
00:33:08,760 --> 00:33:12,520
Speaker 3: The other advantage of nine milimeter, which is reasonably cheap

750
00:33:12,560 --> 00:33:15,640
Speaker 3: defeat and shoot, he reasonably cheap to practice with. For

751
00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:17,760
Speaker 3: those of you that don't know anything about guns, you

752
00:33:17,800 --> 00:33:21,560
Speaker 3: will typically practice with what's called FMJ bulkpack ammunition. Yeah,

753
00:33:21,640 --> 00:33:24,200
Speaker 3: nine milimeters one hundred and fifteen grain. It's just a

754
00:33:24,240 --> 00:33:26,480
Speaker 3: bullet that's got a copper jacket on it, and that's

755
00:33:26,520 --> 00:33:29,640
Speaker 3: your practice ammo and then for Carrie, should you be

756
00:33:29,680 --> 00:33:32,360
Speaker 3: carrying it, you'll probably want to carry something that's specifically

757
00:33:32,360 --> 00:33:35,400
Speaker 3: designed to be defensive ammunition. It'll be far more expensive

758
00:33:35,440 --> 00:33:37,760
Speaker 3: per box. But once you get to the point of yes,

759
00:33:37,800 --> 00:33:40,680
Speaker 3: I am ready safe and capable to carry this, you're

760
00:33:40,720 --> 00:33:43,120
Speaker 3: going to want to pick something gold dots spear gold

761
00:33:43,120 --> 00:33:45,640
Speaker 3: dots are a haulow point designed to specifically be for

762
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:48,440
Speaker 3: self defense. But make sure the gun you've chosen works

763
00:33:48,480 --> 00:33:51,560
Speaker 3: reliably with that defensive AMMO, because even though it works

764
00:33:51,600 --> 00:33:54,160
Speaker 3: one hundred percent with that FMJ, it may not work

765
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:55,760
Speaker 3: with the defensive AMMI y'all might have to play with

766
00:33:55,800 --> 00:33:56,280
Speaker 3: a little bit.

767
00:33:56,920 --> 00:33:59,760
Speaker 1: Yeah, we should also know when you are buying AMMO

768
00:33:59,840 --> 00:34:01,640
Speaker 1: on line, which is not going to be legal in

769
00:34:01,680 --> 00:34:03,880
Speaker 1: every state, but most people will be able to do this.

770
00:34:04,720 --> 00:34:07,840
Speaker 1: It pays to be careful. There is a lot of

771
00:34:07,920 --> 00:34:11,080
Speaker 1: stuff that is sketchier out there and there can be consequences.

772
00:34:11,080 --> 00:34:13,080
Speaker 1: I have had a firearm. I have had like a

773
00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: handgun blow up in my hand as a result of

774
00:34:16,320 --> 00:34:19,840
Speaker 1: getting ammunition that I had not shot before. This was

775
00:34:19,840 --> 00:34:23,120
Speaker 1: in fact Turkish. I think it was because I think

776
00:34:23,120 --> 00:34:25,839
Speaker 1: it was a hot load, but it's possible that it

777
00:34:25,880 --> 00:34:29,120
Speaker 1: was the result of a bullet be a squib and

778
00:34:29,280 --> 00:34:31,839
Speaker 1: that then jammed in the barrel and then another round

779
00:34:31,880 --> 00:34:34,759
Speaker 1: came in after it. I generally have been pretty good

780
00:34:34,800 --> 00:34:36,680
Speaker 1: at checking to make sure there's a hole in the

781
00:34:36,719 --> 00:34:38,960
Speaker 1: paper with each shot, which is something you should be

782
00:34:39,000 --> 00:34:43,239
Speaker 1: making sure of like when you're shooting, because if you

783
00:34:43,320 --> 00:34:46,960
Speaker 1: shoot around that like does not have enough powder behind it, right,

784
00:34:47,000 --> 00:34:49,200
Speaker 1: if you get a bad round, it can jam in

785
00:34:49,200 --> 00:34:51,200
Speaker 1: the barrel, and then the second round can cause the

786
00:34:51,200 --> 00:34:53,640
Speaker 1: barrel to burst. This is also why we always wear

787
00:34:53,640 --> 00:34:56,600
Speaker 1: eye protection. But when looking at AMMO, if you think

788
00:34:56,640 --> 00:34:59,840
Speaker 1: this looks like good AMMO and it's cheap, look online.

789
00:35:00,000 --> 00:35:02,240
Speaker 1: I'd like Reddit to the name. See what other people

790
00:35:02,320 --> 00:35:04,279
Speaker 1: say about it, right, Like, see if you can find

791
00:35:04,320 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: anything written about that. If other usually other people, if

792
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:10,839
Speaker 1: it's like a less reliable manufacturer will have said I've

793
00:35:10,840 --> 00:35:14,680
Speaker 1: had a bad experience with this ammunition. Do your diligence

794
00:35:14,800 --> 00:35:16,920
Speaker 1: right the first time you're shooting a new kind of

795
00:35:17,000 --> 00:35:17,960
Speaker 1: cheap target AMMO.

796
00:35:18,680 --> 00:35:21,120
Speaker 3: That that being said, like there's a lot of names

797
00:35:21,120 --> 00:35:23,480
Speaker 3: that almost anyone that's never owned a gun before will recognize,

798
00:35:23,560 --> 00:35:27,279
Speaker 3: names like Remington, right, Winchester. Yes, these are that's not

799
00:35:27,360 --> 00:35:29,480
Speaker 3: to say that they don't make mistakes too. But like,

800
00:35:29,560 --> 00:35:31,879
Speaker 3: if you're going to go buy a Winchester bulk back

801
00:35:31,920 --> 00:35:35,240
Speaker 3: of ammunition, you are bombing at least what is generally

802
00:35:35,239 --> 00:35:37,399
Speaker 3: considered consumer level reliable AMMO.

803
00:35:37,719 --> 00:35:41,120
Speaker 1: If you're buying it, absolutely crazy Bob's reloading shack, right,

804
00:35:41,160 --> 00:35:44,279
Speaker 1: you don't know that was what because it's a lot

805
00:35:44,320 --> 00:35:47,080
Speaker 1: of the sketchy stuff isn't even a manufacturer. It's like

806
00:35:47,239 --> 00:35:49,600
Speaker 1: AMMO that you may not notice immediately it's like, oh wow,

807
00:35:49,640 --> 00:35:51,759
Speaker 1: this seems really cheap. And then it'll say in small

808
00:35:51,840 --> 00:35:56,960
Speaker 1: letters remanufactured, right, which means somebody has reloaded it. Reloaded AMMA.

809
00:35:57,000 --> 00:35:58,680
Speaker 1: And like, you know, you can reload AMMO and have

810
00:35:58,719 --> 00:35:59,880
Speaker 1: it be perfectly good ammien.

811
00:36:00,640 --> 00:36:03,080
Speaker 2: But do you know who reloaded this about?

812
00:36:03,200 --> 00:36:03,319
Speaker 4: Right?

813
00:36:04,200 --> 00:36:05,920
Speaker 3: I will tell you as a person that shoots a

814
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,240
Speaker 3: lot and has been doing it for decades, I personally,

815
00:36:08,600 --> 00:36:11,680
Speaker 3: even with all that, I will never fire re manufactured ammunition.

816
00:36:11,719 --> 00:36:15,719
Speaker 3: I want to deal with Crazy Bob's weird bad Wednesday. Yes, yes,

817
00:36:16,280 --> 00:36:17,760
Speaker 3: Crazy Bob's Bad Wednesday.

818
00:36:18,520 --> 00:36:19,000
Speaker 2: It's a great.

819
00:36:19,640 --> 00:36:23,799
Speaker 4: Yeah. Yeah, we've addressed a pistol, right, like I want

820
00:36:23,840 --> 00:36:26,959
Speaker 4: to dress long guns. And then you mentioned a couple

821
00:36:26,960 --> 00:36:28,520
Speaker 4: of things call which you should also a dress, which

822
00:36:28,520 --> 00:36:30,840
Speaker 4: are like accessories A Rubbert mentioned eye protection.

823
00:36:31,040 --> 00:36:33,880
Speaker 3: So let me let me add one more piece to

824
00:36:33,920 --> 00:36:34,799
Speaker 3: the pistol and we'll move on.

825
00:36:36,800 --> 00:36:37,359
Speaker 2: The thing now.

826
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:39,640
Speaker 3: The whizbang thing now is every pistol has a red

827
00:36:39,680 --> 00:36:40,319
Speaker 3: dot site on it.

828
00:36:40,360 --> 00:36:41,200
Speaker 2: A red dot site is.

829
00:36:41,239 --> 00:36:43,640
Speaker 3: Essentially an electro optical box that sits on the top

830
00:36:43,680 --> 00:36:45,839
Speaker 3: of the slide and you look through it to aim

831
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:47,880
Speaker 3: and it projects a red dot like almost like a

832
00:36:47,960 --> 00:36:48,799
Speaker 3: laser dot if you're not.

833
00:36:48,719 --> 00:36:50,160
Speaker 2: Familiar with it to aim with.

834
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,440
Speaker 3: For the most part, I'm not saying you shouldn't have

835
00:36:53,480 --> 00:36:55,520
Speaker 3: one because they're cool, But for the most part, a

836
00:36:55,520 --> 00:36:58,799
Speaker 3: person getting into this specifically for self defense does not

837
00:36:58,960 --> 00:37:00,759
Speaker 3: need one of those. You don't need to spend three

838
00:37:00,800 --> 00:37:03,440
Speaker 3: hundred dollars on a red dot. The iron sights that

839
00:37:03,440 --> 00:37:05,560
Speaker 3: come on any of these guns should be sufficient for

840
00:37:05,640 --> 00:37:08,919
Speaker 3: most purposes. So don't get suckered into I need that. Yeah,

841
00:37:08,920 --> 00:37:10,920
Speaker 3: if that's something you want later, think about it, but

842
00:37:10,960 --> 00:37:11,920
Speaker 3: it's not a requirement.

843
00:37:12,480 --> 00:37:14,480
Speaker 1: Now that said, if a gun has one on it,

844
00:37:14,520 --> 00:37:16,200
Speaker 1: I don't agree with people who say, like, you can't

845
00:37:16,280 --> 00:37:18,480
Speaker 1: learn to shoot on a red dot. I think that

846
00:37:18,480 --> 00:37:21,520
Speaker 1: that's now you should you will need to look up

847
00:37:21,560 --> 00:37:24,760
Speaker 1: because it may not be sighted, how to site it right,

848
00:37:26,160 --> 00:37:28,520
Speaker 1: because it like red dots are a thing like, you

849
00:37:28,600 --> 00:37:30,960
Speaker 1: need to dial them in right, and there is a

850
00:37:31,040 --> 00:37:33,799
Speaker 1: way to do that. Again, you can find guides to

851
00:37:33,840 --> 00:37:36,040
Speaker 1: this online, just like you can find guides like mounting

852
00:37:36,040 --> 00:37:40,480
Speaker 1: a scope on a rifle. These are complex mechanical tasks.

853
00:37:40,760 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: A red dot less so than a scope. But you

854
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:45,279
Speaker 1: can't just buy a gun with a red dot on

855
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,759
Speaker 1: it and trust that that red dot points out where

856
00:37:47,760 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: the bullet's going to go. That's not how they work.

857
00:37:50,160 --> 00:37:50,640
Speaker 2: Absolutely.

858
00:37:50,760 --> 00:37:52,320
Speaker 3: My point being is if you gave me, you said,

859
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:54,279
Speaker 3: this person here needs to be able to hit a

860
00:37:54,320 --> 00:37:57,200
Speaker 3: target fifteen yards away, you've got one hour. I would

861
00:37:57,280 --> 00:37:58,960
Speaker 3: not be messing by giving them a red dot. I

862
00:37:58,960 --> 00:38:00,919
Speaker 3: would give them with something with insights and just get

863
00:38:00,920 --> 00:38:01,640
Speaker 3: them through the task.

864
00:38:01,640 --> 00:38:03,960
Speaker 1: If that's what where I'm going with that, Yeah, I

865
00:38:04,360 --> 00:38:05,719
Speaker 1: think that's perfectly reasonable.

866
00:38:05,840 --> 00:38:06,280
Speaker 2: Yeah.

867
00:38:06,760 --> 00:38:09,360
Speaker 1: I prefer, like, now that I know what I'm doing,

868
00:38:09,400 --> 00:38:11,560
Speaker 1: to use my red dots and stuff. But I also

869
00:38:11,600 --> 00:38:15,200
Speaker 1: pretty regularly shoot with iron sights, in part because I

870
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:18,480
Speaker 1: like it. Like it's it's enjoyable mechanically, and it's kind

871
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:19,240
Speaker 1: of how I learned.

872
00:38:19,440 --> 00:38:21,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, or don't get me wrong, it is better. Yeah.

873
00:38:21,680 --> 00:38:24,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, it also have another level of complexity and it's

874
00:38:24,880 --> 00:38:27,320
Speaker 4: more to go wrong, Like if you're installing that yourself,

875
00:38:27,480 --> 00:38:30,759
Speaker 4: it's annoying and it's easy to mess up and then

876
00:38:30,800 --> 00:38:31,960
Speaker 4: you're upset.

877
00:38:32,080 --> 00:38:32,879
Speaker 2: And yeah.

878
00:38:33,000 --> 00:38:37,560
Speaker 4: Yeah, let's move on to long guns. Like one thing

879
00:38:37,600 --> 00:38:40,799
Speaker 4: that we should mention that if you might buy an AR,

880
00:38:41,600 --> 00:38:44,120
Speaker 4: specifically an AR actually and find that it comes with

881
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:47,360
Speaker 4: no sighting systems at all, Yes, and so that's the

882
00:38:47,400 --> 00:38:50,080
Speaker 4: thing to build into your budget. So let's talk about

883
00:38:50,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 4: like what to get for your budget in the long

884
00:38:52,640 --> 00:38:53,360
Speaker 4: gun category.

885
00:38:53,400 --> 00:38:53,680
Speaker 2: Calf.

886
00:38:53,880 --> 00:38:55,640
Speaker 3: Yeah, so when we go to long guns, we talk

887
00:38:55,680 --> 00:38:56,880
Speaker 3: about rifles and shotguns.

888
00:38:56,920 --> 00:38:59,000
Speaker 2: Let's stick with rifles for now, I'm assuming.

889
00:38:58,680 --> 00:39:01,799
Speaker 3: So in that regard, this is the thing where like,

890
00:39:01,880 --> 00:39:04,040
Speaker 3: actually I have a video on my channel about the NFA,

891
00:39:04,120 --> 00:39:06,480
Speaker 3: which is the National Firearms Act, which is what regulates

892
00:39:06,520 --> 00:39:09,240
Speaker 3: a lot of machine guns and stuff. But this also

893
00:39:09,239 --> 00:39:13,680
Speaker 3: occurs across many gun control laws. They're frequently ablest and

894
00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:16,279
Speaker 3: the things that they pust the most rescriptions on are

895
00:39:16,280 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 3: the things that are actually most capable. And that means

896
00:39:20,600 --> 00:39:23,680
Speaker 3: that means air fifteens in their general guys with a

897
00:39:23,680 --> 00:39:25,840
Speaker 3: pistol grip and a red dot site which we just

898
00:39:25,840 --> 00:39:29,040
Speaker 3: mentioned for pistols, and a thirty round magazine is the

899
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,919
Speaker 3: thing that is going to be the most I could

900
00:39:31,960 --> 00:39:35,080
Speaker 3: get anyone, I tell you, anyone capable of hitting it

901
00:39:35,120 --> 00:39:37,560
Speaker 3: a target at fifty yards within a four hour training

902
00:39:37,600 --> 00:39:40,200
Speaker 3: session with a red dot side at AIR fifteen and

903
00:39:40,280 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 3: a good magazine. It's a good ammunition. Air fifteens are

904
00:39:43,000 --> 00:39:46,520
Speaker 3: light low recoil. They're loud because of the five five six,

905
00:39:46,560 --> 00:39:49,600
Speaker 3: but they're light low recoil guns that almost any one

906
00:39:49,640 --> 00:39:54,200
Speaker 3: of most body structure can handle. Now there's exceptions, of course,

907
00:39:54,239 --> 00:39:57,080
Speaker 3: if you have specific physical challenges that's another discussion. But

908
00:39:57,719 --> 00:40:02,040
Speaker 3: if almost anyone, tiny a large can handle a basic

909
00:40:02,200 --> 00:40:05,000
Speaker 3: AR fifteen, and it is the gun that is most

910
00:40:05,080 --> 00:40:08,399
Speaker 3: focused on for gun control, ironically places like California where

911
00:40:08,440 --> 00:40:10,799
Speaker 3: they take away things that make it more functional, like

912
00:40:10,960 --> 00:40:14,919
Speaker 3: no tiftol grip or reduce your magazine capacity because they're

913
00:40:14,960 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 3: trying to diminish the functionality of the gun. But the

914
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:19,520
Speaker 3: reality is the reason they're doing that is because that

915
00:40:19,600 --> 00:40:21,520
Speaker 3: is the gun that is most functional for most people,

916
00:40:21,840 --> 00:40:23,880
Speaker 3: and it is therefore the one that almost anyone can

917
00:40:23,920 --> 00:40:25,200
Speaker 3: handle pretty well.

918
00:40:25,520 --> 00:40:27,120
Speaker 2: With the smallest amount of training.

919
00:40:27,320 --> 00:40:27,560
Speaker 4: Yeah.

920
00:40:27,880 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: Yes, And I think there's a good point there in

921
00:40:31,120 --> 00:40:34,080
Speaker 1: if I were coaching someone who is buying an AR

922
00:40:34,239 --> 00:40:37,440
Speaker 1: that has no you know, does not have iron sights

923
00:40:37,480 --> 00:40:40,800
Speaker 1: on it at all, you are it is much easier

924
00:40:40,840 --> 00:40:42,680
Speaker 1: to learn how to site in and use a red

925
00:40:42,719 --> 00:40:45,839
Speaker 1: dot on an AR than learning how to adjust the

926
00:40:45,880 --> 00:40:49,360
Speaker 1: site the iron sights on an AR fifteen, right, Like,

927
00:40:49,520 --> 00:40:51,479
Speaker 1: not that you can't learn that that you should again,

928
00:40:51,520 --> 00:40:53,239
Speaker 1: you have to, you can watch a video on it,

929
00:40:53,280 --> 00:40:56,399
Speaker 1: but it's much more intuitive to set up a red

930
00:40:56,440 --> 00:40:57,480
Speaker 1: dot in that way.

931
00:40:57,640 --> 00:40:59,520
Speaker 3: This is actually where I would flip flop. If you're

932
00:40:59,560 --> 00:41:01,960
Speaker 3: with the piss, don't concern yourself too much with the

933
00:41:02,000 --> 00:41:04,600
Speaker 3: red dot. If you're going with an air fifteen, concern

934
00:41:04,640 --> 00:41:05,520
Speaker 3: yourself with the release.

935
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:07,240
Speaker 4: Get a red dot to the opposite.

936
00:41:07,440 --> 00:41:07,840
Speaker 2: Yeah.

937
00:41:07,920 --> 00:41:10,480
Speaker 1: Yeah, unless you were like in the Marines or something

938
00:41:10,520 --> 00:41:13,439
Speaker 1: and you know how to dial in your irons, right,

939
00:41:14,200 --> 00:41:16,080
Speaker 1: and even then you're gonna have a better time with

940
00:41:16,160 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: a red dot.

941
00:41:16,760 --> 00:41:19,880
Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, totally once and a red dot is very intuitive.

942
00:41:19,960 --> 00:41:22,080
Speaker 3: So one of the things that people are familiar with firearms,

943
00:41:22,080 --> 00:41:24,240
Speaker 3: but when you bring up a long arm, there's multiple

944
00:41:24,320 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 3: points of contact to the person shooting the gun. When

945
00:41:26,719 --> 00:41:28,759
Speaker 3: you bring up a pistol, you probably have two hands

946
00:41:28,800 --> 00:41:30,719
Speaker 3: on it and you're pushing your arms out almost like

947
00:41:30,760 --> 00:41:33,239
Speaker 3: you're like making a triangle. When you're using a long

948
00:41:33,320 --> 00:41:35,200
Speaker 3: arm like an air fifteen, there's a butt stock on

949
00:41:35,239 --> 00:41:38,439
Speaker 3: your shoulder, your cheek is on the actual comb which

950
00:41:38,480 --> 00:41:40,640
Speaker 3: is the base of the stock. Your other hand your

951
00:41:40,640 --> 00:41:42,160
Speaker 3: support hand it's holding the gun up.

952
00:41:42,200 --> 00:41:42,960
Speaker 2: On the front of it.

953
00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:45,480
Speaker 3: You have a minimum of three points of contact with

954
00:41:45,560 --> 00:41:46,120
Speaker 3: a red dot.

955
00:41:46,200 --> 00:41:49,359
Speaker 2: That makes it very stable and easy to get reliable hits.

956
00:41:49,360 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 3: And the red dot means you can keep both eyes open,

957
00:41:51,680 --> 00:41:54,200
Speaker 3: don't need to worry about the idiosyncrasies of focusing on

958
00:41:54,239 --> 00:41:57,280
Speaker 3: a front site. Essentially, if it's neuro meaning the dot

959
00:41:57,320 --> 00:41:59,520
Speaker 3: is regulated to where the gun hits, and you put

960
00:41:59,560 --> 00:42:01,680
Speaker 3: the dot on the thing and press the trigger without

961
00:42:01,680 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 3: doing something like jerking the gun, you'll hit the target.

962
00:42:04,480 --> 00:42:06,600
Speaker 2: And so that's why that matters.

963
00:42:07,000 --> 00:42:11,000
Speaker 4: Yeah, So what sort of bud each people be looking at,

964
00:42:11,080 --> 00:42:15,200
Speaker 4: and like, would you be comfortable recommending, like even brands

965
00:42:15,239 --> 00:42:16,120
Speaker 4: that they should look at.

966
00:42:17,280 --> 00:42:18,680
Speaker 3: It all comes down the cost when it comes to

967
00:42:18,760 --> 00:42:20,680
Speaker 3: air fifteen, So you can spend as much money as

968
00:42:20,719 --> 00:42:21,160
Speaker 3: you want.

969
00:42:21,760 --> 00:42:23,040
Speaker 2: The reality is I have.

970
00:42:22,960 --> 00:42:25,360
Speaker 3: A video on the channel. Never mind if you like

971
00:42:25,480 --> 00:42:28,040
Speaker 3: or just like the company. They're one of the ones

972
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:30,920
Speaker 3: that really push the lower cost products out there. PSA

973
00:42:31,040 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 3: it stands for PAL Models, Pal Metal State Armory. You

974
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:35,440
Speaker 3: can go there and get your branded Trump lower. But

975
00:42:35,480 --> 00:42:37,280
Speaker 3: at the same time, you can get an AR fifteen

976
00:42:37,320 --> 00:42:38,600
Speaker 3: for like four hundred bucks.

977
00:42:38,840 --> 00:42:41,840
Speaker 1: Yeah, and like in the gun space, you're you're not

978
00:42:41,880 --> 00:42:44,279
Speaker 1: going to find someone to buy who is spotless and

979
00:42:44,400 --> 00:42:46,600
Speaker 1: selling guns in large numbers cheaply.

980
00:42:46,760 --> 00:42:49,480
Speaker 2: Yeah, like that's not so like.

981
00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,000
Speaker 3: So so for foreigner bucks or around there, from PSA,

982
00:42:53,640 --> 00:42:56,040
Speaker 3: you can get a traditional what's called an M four.

983
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:58,960
Speaker 3: It's essentially a sixteen inch car beam. It won't have

984
00:42:59,000 --> 00:43:01,480
Speaker 3: any sighting system on, so expect to throw another two

985
00:43:01,560 --> 00:43:05,120
Speaker 3: hundred bucks ish onto a reasonable red dot site on that.

986
00:43:05,239 --> 00:43:08,040
Speaker 3: So for around the six hundred dollars range, you're gonna

987
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,880
Speaker 3: get a gun that's going to weigh seven pounds, but

988
00:43:11,920 --> 00:43:14,480
Speaker 3: it's gonna have low recoil and you're gonna have something

989
00:43:14,520 --> 00:43:15,840
Speaker 3: that's for the most part.

990
00:43:15,640 --> 00:43:17,920
Speaker 2: Reasonably reliable. Is it the best of the company Is

991
00:43:17,960 --> 00:43:18,800
Speaker 2: the best of the best.

992
00:43:19,320 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 3: No, But it's reasonably lightweight, it is well manufactured, I've

993
00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:26,080
Speaker 3: done videos about them on my channel. They've worked just fine,

994
00:43:26,160 --> 00:43:29,319
Speaker 3: and so fourner ish for the gun, of the two

995
00:43:29,360 --> 00:43:32,279
Speaker 3: hundred for the sighting system, a couple mags. You could

996
00:43:32,280 --> 00:43:36,680
Speaker 3: get out of the door for under seven hundred dollars

997
00:43:36,680 --> 00:43:39,480
Speaker 3: with everything probably under that, maybe under six hundred even

998
00:43:39,520 --> 00:43:40,160
Speaker 3: if you're careful.

999
00:43:40,480 --> 00:43:41,719
Speaker 2: Oh but let me plug one thing.

1000
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,839
Speaker 3: If you've got lots and lots more money, double that

1001
00:43:44,040 --> 00:43:46,120
Speaker 3: you get what would Stawnter do? Carbon which I designed.

1002
00:43:46,120 --> 00:43:49,800
Speaker 3: It'll be half the weight and super reliable from Katie Arms,

1003
00:43:49,840 --> 00:43:51,719
Speaker 3: but doesn't bring any money to me.

1004
00:43:51,760 --> 00:43:53,600
Speaker 2: I'm just saying. The point I'm making here is.

1005
00:43:53,880 --> 00:43:56,080
Speaker 3: You can get something good enough, and if you've got

1006
00:43:56,120 --> 00:43:58,200
Speaker 3: more money, there is better out there that are lighter,

1007
00:43:58,400 --> 00:44:01,520
Speaker 3: more reliable guns. But you don't need to is my point.

1008
00:44:01,560 --> 00:44:02,839
Speaker 3: I'm not trying to sell anything here.

1009
00:44:02,960 --> 00:44:05,320
Speaker 4: Yeah, they are one of the few manufacturers who offer

1010
00:44:05,480 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 4: like a California compliance solution at checkout, which is nice

1011
00:44:08,360 --> 00:44:09,440
Speaker 4: for California people.

1012
00:44:10,040 --> 00:44:12,879
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, so that can be a really beneficial thing

1013
00:44:12,920 --> 00:44:15,200
Speaker 1: to you in terms of, you know, not having it

1014
00:44:15,280 --> 00:44:17,640
Speaker 1: be something that you're scared about.

1015
00:44:17,920 --> 00:44:21,960
Speaker 3: California Compliant will probably mean no flash hider, no pistol

1016
00:44:22,000 --> 00:44:24,120
Speaker 3: grim and a fixed magazine at least.

1017
00:44:23,920 --> 00:44:25,960
Speaker 4: At this point in time, you can have you can

1018
00:44:26,040 --> 00:44:29,080
Speaker 4: have the removable magazine if you don't have the flash

1019
00:44:29,120 --> 00:44:31,000
Speaker 4: heighted pistol grip and the collapsing stock.

1020
00:44:31,239 --> 00:44:32,439
Speaker 2: So okay, all.

1021
00:44:32,400 --> 00:44:34,720
Speaker 3: Right, Well, if you can buy it from them ready

1022
00:44:34,719 --> 00:44:38,799
Speaker 3: to go, there's I know, there's also magazine capacity requirements

1023
00:44:38,880 --> 00:44:40,680
Speaker 3: or in case so maybe you have to buy like

1024
00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:41,280
Speaker 3: a couple.

1025
00:44:41,080 --> 00:44:42,360
Speaker 2: Ten round bags or something like that.

1026
00:44:42,440 --> 00:44:42,600
Speaker 4: Yeah.

1027
00:44:42,680 --> 00:44:45,360
Speaker 3: Yeah, obviously thirty round bags are better than ten round bags,

1028
00:44:45,520 --> 00:44:48,480
Speaker 3: and for mostly if you live in a place like California,

1029
00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,520
Speaker 3: do not worry too much about that. If you get

1030
00:44:50,520 --> 00:44:53,160
Speaker 3: a little proficiency on that, a couple ten round bags

1031
00:44:53,200 --> 00:44:53,719
Speaker 3: will do a lot.

1032
00:44:54,080 --> 00:44:57,280
Speaker 1: And to be honest, in self defense shootings, the odds

1033
00:44:57,280 --> 00:44:59,920
Speaker 1: are load that you will be firing that many rounds

1034
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:04,520
Speaker 1: right now. If you're in a self defense shooting where

1035
00:45:04,520 --> 00:45:07,040
Speaker 1: you do need more bullets than that, there's really nothing

1036
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:09,920
Speaker 1: that can replace having those bullets you know, available.

1037
00:45:10,040 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 4: But yeah, don't get reptraniacs on it, like it's not

1038
00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:14,080
Speaker 4: something you can change.

1039
00:45:14,760 --> 00:45:16,600
Speaker 1: The fact that you only have a ten round magazine

1040
00:45:16,640 --> 00:45:18,600
Speaker 1: does not mean that you can't become proficient.

1041
00:45:18,840 --> 00:45:20,160
Speaker 3: Yeah, and I don't want anyone here to think that

1042
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 3: I'm saying you shouldn't. You should be able to get

1043
00:45:21,560 --> 00:45:23,720
Speaker 3: a six ye round magaze. One far as I'm concerned, places

1044
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:27,560
Speaker 3: like California to have these restrictions have them statistically speaking,

1045
00:45:27,640 --> 00:45:30,080
Speaker 3: and I don't know if this data has changed. Most

1046
00:45:30,200 --> 00:45:33,919
Speaker 3: self defense shootings happen within three yards, three seconds, three

1047
00:45:33,920 --> 00:45:34,520
Speaker 3: shots fired.

1048
00:45:34,960 --> 00:45:37,560
Speaker 4: Yep, yeah, yep. I think it's really good to remember

1049
00:45:37,600 --> 00:45:39,719
Speaker 4: that when you are seeing some YouTube attel you you

1050
00:45:39,800 --> 00:45:42,719
Speaker 4: need to be able to have thirty rounds in five

1051
00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:43,760
Speaker 4: five hundred yards.

1052
00:45:43,840 --> 00:45:47,520
Speaker 1: I don't go downtown without my backpack and my SBR

1053
00:45:47,560 --> 00:45:51,239
Speaker 1: and three hundred black at with six thirty round magazine.

1054
00:45:50,800 --> 00:45:54,480
Speaker 4: Accessible conceptive man scat of cities.

1055
00:45:54,600 --> 00:45:57,440
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, I carry an RPG and I take the

1056
00:45:57,480 --> 00:45:59,959
Speaker 3: little safety cap off because I like to live that way.

1057
00:46:00,120 --> 00:46:04,520
Speaker 1: Yeah yeah, yeah, dangerously. My clothing is made out of

1058
00:46:04,560 --> 00:46:07,760
Speaker 1: debt cord. I just wear nothing but debt cord wherever

1059
00:46:07,880 --> 00:46:09,439
Speaker 1: I go. We're all going down.

1060
00:46:09,760 --> 00:46:11,080
Speaker 4: At least you take some people with you.

1061
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:12,520
Speaker 2: It's all city blocks them.

1062
00:46:12,760 --> 00:46:15,760
Speaker 4: Yeah, self defense mataden.

1063
00:46:15,600 --> 00:46:17,080
Speaker 3: But let me say one more thing about long arms.

1064
00:46:17,080 --> 00:46:18,640
Speaker 3: Another thing you'll see from people that are new in

1065
00:46:18,640 --> 00:46:20,640
Speaker 3: the space, depending on like what they've seen or what

1066
00:46:20,640 --> 00:46:21,400
Speaker 3: they've consumed.

1067
00:46:22,000 --> 00:46:23,040
Speaker 2: This is going to get some hate.

1068
00:46:23,160 --> 00:46:25,680
Speaker 3: Don't bother with aks, Yeah, just don't. This is the

1069
00:46:25,719 --> 00:46:28,440
Speaker 3: United States of America, and this country believes in the

1070
00:46:28,520 --> 00:46:29,120
Speaker 3: Air fifteen.

1071
00:46:29,200 --> 00:46:31,600
Speaker 2: And what that boiled down to is they're everywhere. They're prolific.

1072
00:46:31,680 --> 00:46:33,799
Speaker 3: The parts are here, Yeah, the repair is here, they're

1073
00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:36,960
Speaker 3: well manufactured. When you stray from that course to something

1074
00:46:37,080 --> 00:46:39,920
Speaker 3: like an AK, you're first of all, you're losing eronomics.

1075
00:46:39,920 --> 00:46:40,880
Speaker 2: But that's a different problem.

1076
00:46:41,040 --> 00:46:45,680
Speaker 3: You're dealing with an unknown quantity of problems. You get

1077
00:46:45,680 --> 00:46:48,959
Speaker 3: an Air fifteen. That's what's in this country. It's what's prolific. Yeah,

1078
00:46:48,960 --> 00:46:52,799
Speaker 3: if you were in if you were in somewhere war

1079
00:46:52,840 --> 00:46:55,239
Speaker 3: torn Africa, get your AK here.

1080
00:46:55,480 --> 00:46:58,680
Speaker 1: I'll say this about the war torn AK countries because

1081
00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,800
Speaker 1: I've been in three tries where the primary arm is

1082
00:47:01,840 --> 00:47:05,920
Speaker 1: an AK M right, like a kind of AK right Siria, Ukraine,

1083
00:47:05,920 --> 00:47:09,240
Speaker 1: in Iraq. In all three of those countries, every soldier

1084
00:47:09,280 --> 00:47:11,920
Speaker 1: who knew their stuff, who was proficient and had the

1085
00:47:12,000 --> 00:47:15,320
Speaker 1: option chosen AR platform. If they could get one hundred

1086
00:47:15,320 --> 00:47:18,000
Speaker 1: percent of the time, they're just better firearms.

1087
00:47:18,080 --> 00:47:19,839
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's been my experience as well.

1088
00:47:19,840 --> 00:47:22,319
Speaker 2: They look cool. But but but don't go Yeah, just

1089
00:47:22,320 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: get a their fore.

1090
00:47:23,560 --> 00:47:26,279
Speaker 1: Yeah, Like I love my ak's, but they're they're range

1091
00:47:26,360 --> 00:47:27,520
Speaker 1: fun toys, right like.

1092
00:47:27,840 --> 00:47:31,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, So let's talk about accessorizing, which again is much

1093
00:47:31,760 --> 00:47:34,920
Speaker 4: easier with ais and aks. Like, what other stuff do

1094
00:47:34,960 --> 00:47:36,680
Speaker 4: you need to build into a budget. If you've not

1095
00:47:36,840 --> 00:47:39,880
Speaker 4: shot before, you might not know that you need a

1096
00:47:40,000 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 4: pro ipro sling, maybe haulster.

1097
00:47:43,360 --> 00:47:45,719
Speaker 3: Well, we'll start with the firearms accessories, right, So with

1098
00:47:45,800 --> 00:47:48,440
Speaker 3: the pithtol. First of all, we talked about safe storage,

1099
00:47:48,440 --> 00:47:51,520
Speaker 3: so that's already off the table. With the pistol. If

1100
00:47:51,560 --> 00:47:53,960
Speaker 3: you plan to carry it, you need a good reliable

1101
00:47:54,000 --> 00:47:56,280
Speaker 3: holster and a good reliable gun belt.

1102
00:47:56,360 --> 00:47:57,880
Speaker 2: Good lord, Yes.

1103
00:47:58,080 --> 00:47:59,960
Speaker 3: Depending on how you want to carry it, that'll determine

1104
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,400
Speaker 3: the kind of holster. If you want an outside the waistband,

1105
00:48:02,400 --> 00:48:04,799
Speaker 3: which means it sits outside your belt, that's one thing.

1106
00:48:04,800 --> 00:48:07,640
Speaker 3: If you're carrying it concealed, you're probably gonna want an

1107
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:11,839
Speaker 3: inside the waistband, which goes between your belt and your body. Again,

1108
00:48:11,920 --> 00:48:14,080
Speaker 3: under the level of training there, because when you're drawing

1109
00:48:14,120 --> 00:48:16,319
Speaker 3: from that things can go wrong, sure, and that's where

1110
00:48:16,320 --> 00:48:18,360
Speaker 3: people tend to shoot themselves. So that's going needed to

1111
00:48:18,360 --> 00:48:21,440
Speaker 3: be very cautious of. But with a piffol typically you're

1112
00:48:21,480 --> 00:48:24,200
Speaker 3: going to want probably an extra magazine or two. It

1113
00:48:24,280 --> 00:48:26,400
Speaker 3: may come with one, depending on what you bought. A

1114
00:48:26,480 --> 00:48:28,400
Speaker 3: quality gun belt and a quality holster.

1115
00:48:29,440 --> 00:48:32,640
Speaker 1: Now, what about what about a forty four derringer and

1116
00:48:32,719 --> 00:48:35,360
Speaker 1: an ankle holster on each angle, right like that seems

1117
00:48:35,400 --> 00:48:37,960
Speaker 1: like the ideal solution. Anytime you're in danger. You just

1118
00:48:38,000 --> 00:48:40,640
Speaker 1: got a squat right down there, you know, yeah, yeah, yeah, no.

1119
00:48:40,960 --> 00:48:45,480
Speaker 3: Get real low, especially when you've been pushed pushed onto

1120
00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:49,359
Speaker 3: your back by the mob and you're there on that

1121
00:48:49,440 --> 00:48:51,240
Speaker 3: scene and you're pulling it out of your ankle holster.

1122
00:48:51,320 --> 00:48:55,280
Speaker 1: Yeah right, no, no, no, just just get a wire

1123
00:48:55,320 --> 00:48:57,359
Speaker 1: around the trigger and attach it to your toes so

1124
00:48:57,400 --> 00:48:59,640
Speaker 1: that you can squeeze your toes and fire attention.

1125
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,600
Speaker 3: What you need is the belt buckle revolver.

1126
00:49:02,320 --> 00:49:04,840
Speaker 4: From North American Ums. Yeah, that is great.

1127
00:49:05,440 --> 00:49:09,120
Speaker 3: Yeah, no, from that freaking movie, the vampire movie Quinn Tarantino.

1128
00:49:09,680 --> 00:49:12,360
Speaker 2: Oh geezill, that's still done.

1129
00:49:12,520 --> 00:49:17,080
Speaker 3: God yeah, no, before the pin belt, a magazine or

1130
00:49:17,080 --> 00:49:19,960
Speaker 3: two extra it might come with them, and a quality holster. Now,

1131
00:49:19,960 --> 00:49:22,480
Speaker 3: the obvious plection is what's a quality holster and the

1132
00:49:22,560 --> 00:49:24,560
Speaker 3: obvious answer is there's too many out there to be

1133
00:49:24,560 --> 00:49:27,280
Speaker 3: able to offer you that answer right now. Probably something

1134
00:49:27,360 --> 00:49:29,759
Speaker 3: polymer if it's going to be outside the waistband, and

1135
00:49:29,800 --> 00:49:32,320
Speaker 3: this will be another one that'll get people fired up. Generally,

1136
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:35,160
Speaker 3: avoid the Surpa holsters unless you really want to have

1137
00:49:35,200 --> 00:49:36,960
Speaker 3: a lot of training. Surpa holsters are one that have

1138
00:49:36,960 --> 00:49:39,200
Speaker 3: a little button on the side that allows the gun

1139
00:49:39,239 --> 00:49:41,239
Speaker 3: to come out if you're not trained well or have

1140
00:49:41,239 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 3: the wrong gun in it.

1141
00:49:41,840 --> 00:49:44,240
Speaker 2: It also allows you to accidentally shoot yourself quite easily

1142
00:49:44,280 --> 00:49:47,680
Speaker 2: as well. Yeah, best avoided. That's a very good point.

1143
00:49:47,800 --> 00:49:50,560
Speaker 1: And also one thing I will note is there's a

1144
00:49:50,760 --> 00:49:53,000
Speaker 1: danger that a lot of people aren't aware of with leather,

1145
00:49:53,080 --> 00:49:55,160
Speaker 1: which is that leather holsters. Now, there are some leather

1146
00:49:55,160 --> 00:49:58,200
Speaker 1: holsters that have like a trigger area reinforced with kaidex,

1147
00:49:58,239 --> 00:50:01,799
Speaker 1: which is, you know, a rigid class substance. But if

1148
00:50:01,800 --> 00:50:04,920
Speaker 1: it's not in time, those can start to like get

1149
00:50:05,040 --> 00:50:07,879
Speaker 1: weaker and warn in such a way that it can

1150
00:50:07,920 --> 00:50:10,880
Speaker 1: also cause it to press the trigger when you holster it.

1151
00:50:10,920 --> 00:50:13,480
Speaker 1: Like that's a thing that has happened to people. So

1152
00:50:13,800 --> 00:50:17,560
Speaker 1: I generally think you want whatever you want the trigger

1153
00:50:17,600 --> 00:50:20,799
Speaker 1: guard to be rigid and not something that's going to

1154
00:50:20,960 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: like warp and be malleable around the trigger, right, Like

1155
00:50:25,000 --> 00:50:27,239
Speaker 1: the whole point is that it stops the trigger from fire.

1156
00:50:27,400 --> 00:50:29,680
Speaker 4: Yes, this you want to avoid that. How about with

1157
00:50:29,840 --> 00:50:32,560
Speaker 4: the with the long guns, like what are you going

1158
00:50:32,640 --> 00:50:36,200
Speaker 4: to need to budget for those? And then other things

1159
00:50:36,280 --> 00:50:38,640
Speaker 4: like for shooting Germany that you'll need if you don't

1160
00:50:38,640 --> 00:50:39,719
Speaker 4: already have then, So.

1161
00:50:39,760 --> 00:50:41,319
Speaker 3: When it comes to the long arm, we already said

1162
00:50:41,320 --> 00:50:43,200
Speaker 3: if you're going to get an Air fifteen, you're going

1163
00:50:43,200 --> 00:50:45,200
Speaker 3: to want to stick some sort of red oddside on it.

1164
00:50:45,680 --> 00:50:47,520
Speaker 2: The lowest cost ones.

1165
00:50:47,280 --> 00:50:51,000
Speaker 3: That are the unbelievably bomb proof are a Chinese company

1166
00:50:51,000 --> 00:50:51,799
Speaker 3: called hollow Song.

1167
00:50:52,280 --> 00:50:54,040
Speaker 2: Hell yeah, I have a hollow.

1168
00:50:53,800 --> 00:50:56,840
Speaker 3: Sun from twenty seventeen that still works just fine.

1169
00:50:56,880 --> 00:50:59,279
Speaker 2: I love my hollow suns. Yeah, my hollow Sun's been

1170
00:50:59,320 --> 00:51:02,360
Speaker 2: bounced down an asphalt road and it still works fine.

1171
00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,319
Speaker 2: So it's the opposite of a fail sun, a hollow sun.

1172
00:51:06,640 --> 00:51:08,320
Speaker 3: So you can pick up a red dot hollows on

1173
00:51:08,400 --> 00:51:11,320
Speaker 3: those can go and you can get those sometimes sometimes

1174
00:51:11,320 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 3: the low is like one hundred and fifty bucks.

1175
00:51:13,360 --> 00:51:14,960
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you'll need a red dot site.

1176
00:51:15,320 --> 00:51:19,040
Speaker 3: A sling is nice, not required, especially if you're going

1177
00:51:19,080 --> 00:51:21,840
Speaker 3: to be using within the premises of your property, you

1178
00:51:21,920 --> 00:51:25,040
Speaker 3: probably don't need to worry about that. It Also, slings

1179
00:51:25,080 --> 00:51:27,759
Speaker 3: can cause issues like get caught on things or on

1180
00:51:27,920 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 3: things in your house, or even tangle you up, So

1181
00:51:29,640 --> 00:51:32,960
Speaker 3: that's a training issue. So sling is iffy. An extra

1182
00:51:33,000 --> 00:51:36,319
Speaker 3: magazine or two. And if you're planning on needing to

1183
00:51:36,400 --> 00:51:38,760
Speaker 3: use this for a defensive purpose inside of your home

1184
00:51:38,880 --> 00:51:41,560
Speaker 3: or structure or at night, it's not the worst thing

1185
00:51:41,560 --> 00:51:42,920
Speaker 3: in the world to throw on a flashlight.

1186
00:51:43,200 --> 00:51:49,319
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, especially if it's like a defensive firearm like

1187
00:51:49,719 --> 00:51:52,799
Speaker 1: it's your home defense gun or a carry gun like

1188
00:51:52,840 --> 00:51:55,480
Speaker 1: a flashlight. And also if you're I think it's generally

1189
00:51:55,480 --> 00:51:58,080
Speaker 1: a good idea if you're going to carry a carry

1190
00:51:58,120 --> 00:52:01,160
Speaker 1: firearm with a flashlight an their flashlight that's not on

1191
00:52:01,239 --> 00:52:03,920
Speaker 1: a gun, because one thing you should never do is

1192
00:52:04,000 --> 00:52:06,680
Speaker 1: use your gun flashlight to look at just random shit

1193
00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,560
Speaker 1: that you need a flash lighting mark.

1194
00:52:08,880 --> 00:52:10,800
Speaker 3: You come home at night in the dark, you forgot,

1195
00:52:10,840 --> 00:52:13,360
Speaker 3: you forgot, you can't find which key is the raking.

1196
00:52:15,080 --> 00:52:18,239
Speaker 2: N Don't do that. Don't do that.

1197
00:52:18,719 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 4: Don't do that. That's a pretty good list of accessories set.

1198
00:52:22,680 --> 00:52:24,880
Speaker 4: Make sure you have a lad air and eye protection

1199
00:52:24,960 --> 00:52:25,400
Speaker 4: as well.

1200
00:52:25,760 --> 00:52:27,439
Speaker 3: So that's so we're gonna go all the safety side

1201
00:52:27,480 --> 00:52:29,840
Speaker 3: of things. You need proper shooting glasses. That means not

1202
00:52:29,920 --> 00:52:32,680
Speaker 3: the glasses that you picked up for readers at Walgreen.

1203
00:52:32,719 --> 00:52:35,040
Speaker 3: If they're shooting glasses can be as cheap as nine bucks,

1204
00:52:35,280 --> 00:52:36,439
Speaker 3: all the way up to hundreds of bucks.

1205
00:52:36,440 --> 00:52:37,920
Speaker 2: You can get them at the sporting good store.

1206
00:52:38,080 --> 00:52:40,560
Speaker 3: But they're designed with the kind of plastic to be

1207
00:52:40,640 --> 00:52:44,239
Speaker 3: able to take shrapnel or hits from pieces of fragments

1208
00:52:44,440 --> 00:52:45,480
Speaker 3: that are high velocity.

1209
00:52:45,520 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 2: They're meant for that.

1210
00:52:46,400 --> 00:52:49,000
Speaker 3: So ten dollars shooting glasses, Yes, you need.

1211
00:52:49,200 --> 00:52:52,759
Speaker 2: Yes, hearing protection. Those can be squishy earplugs you put

1212
00:52:52,760 --> 00:52:54,600
Speaker 2: in your ear, or they can be over the head.

1213
00:52:54,719 --> 00:52:58,319
Speaker 3: Moths do not ever shoot guns except in the most

1214
00:52:58,320 --> 00:53:03,399
Speaker 3: critical conditions or situation. Yeah, without eye protection and hearing protection. Yes,

1215
00:53:03,440 --> 00:53:05,319
Speaker 3: that's the kind of stuff where you lose an eye

1216
00:53:05,640 --> 00:53:07,840
Speaker 3: and every time you fire the gun, you're losing hearing

1217
00:53:08,000 --> 00:53:08,600
Speaker 3: every time.

1218
00:53:08,880 --> 00:53:14,000
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, and like for the really because obviously most

1219
00:53:14,120 --> 00:53:17,040
Speaker 1: like it hurts to shoot a firearm without hearing protection.

1220
00:53:17,880 --> 00:53:20,480
Speaker 1: Like you can get away with shooting a gun without

1221
00:53:20,560 --> 00:53:23,319
Speaker 1: EyePro every time, but the one time, right, which is

1222
00:53:23,320 --> 00:53:27,560
Speaker 1: why I really emphasize eye protection. It's easy to convince yourself,

1223
00:53:27,600 --> 00:53:29,399
Speaker 1: I don't need to have it on right now?

1224
00:53:29,480 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 3: You do, yeah, like, because that's the day that it

1225
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:33,239
Speaker 3: does the thing.

1226
00:53:33,800 --> 00:53:38,279
Speaker 1: Yes, yes, guns do fuck up, for lack of a

1227
00:53:38,280 --> 00:53:42,080
Speaker 1: better term, and you really don't want your eye unprotected

1228
00:53:42,120 --> 00:53:42,560
Speaker 1: if they do.

1229
00:53:42,760 --> 00:53:44,440
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's a bad day.

1230
00:53:44,719 --> 00:53:45,719
Speaker 2: Absolutely, and so.

1231
00:53:45,800 --> 00:53:48,640
Speaker 3: But you on the safety side of eye protection and

1232
00:53:48,680 --> 00:53:51,000
Speaker 3: hearing protection, it can be as cheap as ten dollars

1233
00:53:51,000 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 3: shooting glasses and a bottle of the squishy earplugs.

1234
00:53:54,400 --> 00:53:56,200
Speaker 2: You're gonna be in there for twenty bucks. Yeah.

1235
00:53:56,320 --> 00:53:58,719
Speaker 4: Yeah, it doesn't have to be expensive. Make sure you

1236
00:53:58,719 --> 00:54:00,400
Speaker 4: have it and make sure you see it.

1237
00:54:00,560 --> 00:54:02,000
Speaker 3: But you know what, before you do any of this,

1238
00:54:02,080 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 3: you know what's a smart thing to do. Go take

1239
00:54:03,560 --> 00:54:05,120
Speaker 3: a class from Stop the Bleed and learn how to

1240
00:54:05,160 --> 00:54:08,040
Speaker 3: use tourniquets in medical gear and have that around anyway

1241
00:54:08,239 --> 00:54:10,000
Speaker 3: before you ever buy a gun, Go do that. Yes,

1242
00:54:10,040 --> 00:54:12,120
Speaker 3: a mess, that's the most important thing you could do

1243
00:54:12,120 --> 00:54:12,600
Speaker 3: for anyone.

1244
00:54:12,800 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, and that, as you said, should be a

1245
00:54:16,040 --> 00:54:18,920
Speaker 1: priority before getting the firearm. And if you have the

1246
00:54:19,000 --> 00:54:21,399
Speaker 1: money to get and train a gun, you have no

1247
00:54:21,520 --> 00:54:24,600
Speaker 1: excuse for not having an individual first aid kit an

1248
00:54:24,600 --> 00:54:27,680
Speaker 1: IFAC and the knowledge of how to use it right,

1249
00:54:27,760 --> 00:54:28,040
Speaker 1: and I.

1250
00:54:27,960 --> 00:54:30,120
Speaker 2: Think Stop the Bleed classes are usually free.

1251
00:54:30,160 --> 00:54:31,799
Speaker 3: You can look it up and Stop the Bleed dot

1252
00:54:31,800 --> 00:54:34,600
Speaker 3: com or dot org, google it, take a class. It's

1253
00:54:34,640 --> 00:54:36,200
Speaker 3: you easy. How to use a tournique, use how to

1254
00:54:36,280 --> 00:54:38,719
Speaker 3: use a bandage? Have an IPAC as was just mentioned,

1255
00:54:38,760 --> 00:54:40,080
Speaker 3: which can be a pretty simple kit.

1256
00:54:40,200 --> 00:54:40,279
Speaker 2: Ye.

1257
00:54:40,400 --> 00:54:42,480
Speaker 3: And as you said, Robert, if you can afford a gun,

1258
00:54:42,520 --> 00:54:44,799
Speaker 3: you can afford that and have that with you on

1259
00:54:44,840 --> 00:54:47,000
Speaker 3: the range anytime you're shooting, because as you said, guns

1260
00:54:47,080 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 3: can fuck up. They usually don't, but if they do,

1261
00:54:49,880 --> 00:54:51,959
Speaker 3: you're gonna want that I fact, and that I fact

1262
00:54:52,000 --> 00:54:54,200
Speaker 3: and that training might just help your neighbor one day

1263
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:56,160
Speaker 3: when they get in a car accident or whatever.

1264
00:54:56,640 --> 00:54:59,840
Speaker 1: I regularly make the decision not to carry my gun

1265
00:55:00,080 --> 00:55:00,960
Speaker 1: with me places.

1266
00:55:01,160 --> 00:55:01,319
Speaker 2: Right.

1267
00:55:01,360 --> 00:55:03,040
Speaker 1: You know I'm going to go out and get drunk tonight.

1268
00:55:03,080 --> 00:55:04,560
Speaker 1: I don't need if I have a fire alarm on

1269
00:55:04,719 --> 00:55:06,720
Speaker 1: me when I'm drunk. But you know what I always

1270
00:55:06,760 --> 00:55:10,080
Speaker 1: have is the ifact right every single time. You know,

1271
00:55:10,480 --> 00:55:12,799
Speaker 1: because number one drunk with an I fact, I'm no

1272
00:55:13,280 --> 00:55:17,239
Speaker 1: I might I'm probably less effective, but I'm not going

1273
00:55:17,280 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: to endanger anyone. You're just like, hey, buddy, I think

1274
00:55:19,600 --> 00:55:22,560
Speaker 1: you need a parn kit. He's like, no, give me here.

1275
00:55:23,400 --> 00:55:25,399
Speaker 4: Google said, this goes around the neck.

1276
00:55:27,640 --> 00:55:30,640
Speaker 3: But once again, a soppable class on an IPAC is

1277
00:55:30,680 --> 00:55:33,080
Speaker 3: more likely to serve you or your community more than

1278
00:55:33,080 --> 00:55:33,959
Speaker 3: any gun ever will.

1279
00:55:34,120 --> 00:55:34,319
Speaker 2: Yeah.

1280
00:55:34,400 --> 00:55:36,480
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think that's a great place. I would say

1281
00:55:36,480 --> 00:55:39,120
Speaker 4: that if you are going down this pathway and you're

1282
00:55:39,120 --> 00:55:43,000
Speaker 4: looking to join openly leftist gun organizations, there are several, right,

1283
00:55:43,080 --> 00:55:46,520
Speaker 4: John Brown Gun Club, Socialist Rifle Association, We've had those

1284
00:55:46,560 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 4: people on our show before. Be cautious when you're doing that,

1285
00:55:49,800 --> 00:55:52,200
Speaker 4: and keep an eye on things, because that could be

1286
00:55:52,239 --> 00:55:55,759
Speaker 4: something that might get you into into trouble in the

1287
00:55:55,800 --> 00:55:58,520
Speaker 4: long run. So it's something to be aware of.

1288
00:55:59,160 --> 00:56:01,320
Speaker 1: Yeah, it might be good to just put a holder

1289
00:56:01,360 --> 00:56:04,160
Speaker 1: on joining a new organization until we're a few months

1290
00:56:04,160 --> 00:56:07,640
Speaker 1: into this thing coming up next year. Maybe have an

1291
00:56:07,640 --> 00:56:10,840
Speaker 1: idea about what kind of things might be safe and

1292
00:56:10,880 --> 00:56:12,520
Speaker 1: what kind of things might be less safe.

1293
00:56:12,520 --> 00:56:15,000
Speaker 3: Definitely, no, but none of that stops you from using signal,

1294
00:56:15,080 --> 00:56:17,160
Speaker 3: building community and learning how to use.

1295
00:56:17,040 --> 00:56:20,880
Speaker 1: A firearm properly right at meeting people, yes, and like

1296
00:56:21,040 --> 00:56:24,560
Speaker 1: training with them, you know, or and taking getting training,

1297
00:56:24,239 --> 00:56:28,080
Speaker 1: getting building proficiency absolutely all of that is legal and

1298
00:56:28,120 --> 00:56:31,759
Speaker 1: will remain legal. Just don't start if anyone ever talks

1299
00:56:31,800 --> 00:56:34,839
Speaker 1: to you about let's make a militia, do that. It's

1300
00:56:34,880 --> 00:56:37,719
Speaker 1: time to leave that conversation, right because, among other things,

1301
00:56:37,719 --> 00:56:39,720
Speaker 1: at this point, there's a good chance they're the FBI.

1302
00:56:41,640 --> 00:56:43,640
Speaker 4: If you live in Michigan, do not.

1303
00:56:44,120 --> 00:56:47,080
Speaker 3: Yeah yeah, this podcast brought to you by co Intel

1304
00:56:47,160 --> 00:56:47,560
Speaker 3: pro do.

1305
00:56:49,200 --> 00:56:53,719
Speaker 2: Yeah. Yeah, yeah, that's great, but I mean it's a

1306
00:56:53,719 --> 00:56:54,320
Speaker 2: tough challenge.

1307
00:56:54,320 --> 00:56:55,759
Speaker 3: And so the other thing you can do is also,

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Speaker 3: once you've got your basic proficiency up and you know

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Speaker 3: that you are safe in terms of hand things, let

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Speaker 3: me throw this out there too. It doesn't have to

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Speaker 3: be any specific one. Although remember you're going into a

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Speaker 3: space that may not be politically your comfortable place. A

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Speaker 3: good place to build up skill is to go shoot

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Speaker 3: matches competitions.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, for the most part, it's business oriented.

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Speaker 3: You'll see you'll hear some stupid comments here or there,

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Speaker 3: depending on what match you're at, but the reality is

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Speaker 3: you're not there for that. You're there to get better

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Speaker 3: with your gun on a course of fire that they

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Speaker 3: put up for you. Pay your ten bucks or twenty

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Speaker 3: bucks and learn how to shoot better in those conditions,

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Speaker 3: and that's another space to once the basic trainings out

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Speaker 3: of the way, don't go to a match the b training.

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Speaker 3: Use the match to help increase your skill after you've

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Speaker 3: gotten training. But those matches can be a place to

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Speaker 3: really help you out a lot. And there's a lot

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Speaker 3: of them around and those are easier to find than

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Speaker 3: almost anything.

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Speaker 4: Yep, practice scores where you can lick them up if

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Speaker 4: you're into that.

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Speaker 2: Kind of thing.

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Speaker 4: Excellent, Thanks very much for joining uskyle. Do you want

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Speaker 4: to very briefly plug your YouTube channel. Where can people

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Speaker 4: find you? Well?

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Speaker 3: Sure, and thank you for having me on the show.

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Speaker 3: It's always a treat. I really appreciate it. It's always

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Speaker 3: great to be able to just to hang out with

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Speaker 3: you both should do it more often. You can find

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Speaker 3: my work It's in Range TV. You can find my

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Speaker 3: website at inrange dot tv. I'm distributed decentralized across multiple platforms,

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Speaker 3: a predominant one being YouTube. Cover everything from civil rights history,

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Speaker 3: human rights to firearms to from old West flintlocks up

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Speaker 3: to the most modern machine guns across the channel. Some

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Speaker 3: of it is instructional, some of its history and I've

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Speaker 3: got a cool video dropping tomorrow in fact, well tomorrow

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Speaker 3: based on when we're recording this on the Opium Wars

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Speaker 3: and how Britain and China's firearms technology discrepancy caused Hong

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Speaker 3: Kong to be owned by Britain. That's the kind of

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Speaker 3: stuff I do on my channel, So check that out.

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Speaker 3: And if you want to find matches that are going

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Speaker 3: to be a place that is truly an inclusive space,

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Speaker 3: we do run matches called Brutality Matches.

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Speaker 2: You can find them at brutalitymatches dot org.

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Speaker 3: They're not monthly, we have run a couple of them

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Speaker 3: across the country, but I can guarantee you that's the

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Speaker 3: space you will feel comfortable because we make.

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Speaker 2: It that way. It's awesome.

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Speaker 4: Yeah, thanks co.

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