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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wire to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number eighty two,

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Speaker 1: tay the show. We're joined by Neil Doherty and we're

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Speaker 1: talking late season hunting tactics. All right, welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you by Sick of Gear,

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Speaker 1: and today, as in this day that I'm actually recording

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Speaker 1: this today is December one. So with November officially now

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Speaker 1: in the rear view mirror, my mind, in the minds

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Speaker 1: of many other hunters, has shifted into late season hunting mode.

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Speaker 1: So with the late season smack deb in front of us,

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Speaker 1: it only made sense today for us to dive right

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Speaker 1: into some ideas and tactics for hunting at this time

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Speaker 1: of year. And joining us to share his expertise on

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Speaker 1: this very topic is Neil Doherty, who is a wildlife

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Speaker 1: habitat consultant, outdoor writer and author and just overall white

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Speaker 1: tail extraordinary. So with all that being said in short,

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Speaker 1: Neil is going to give us some great advice on

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Speaker 1: how to fill our final tags in these last weeks

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Speaker 1: of the season. But as we always do before we

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Speaker 1: give Neil a call. Mr co host Dan Johnson Dallas

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Speaker 1: Fort Worth guests where I am right now. You're in

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Speaker 1: the state of the Big Ten champions. It's funny you

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Speaker 1: mentioned that because I'm actually in the state where there

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Speaker 1: is a football team that I'm actually planning on going

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Speaker 1: and slashing the tires of all their busses. And so

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Speaker 1: you're afraid of losing. Oh, yeah, you're afraid to lose it,

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Speaker 1: I guess. No, to be short, no, I'm not afraid.

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Speaker 1: I'm excited. I'm very excited. It's maybe be a good game. Man.

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Speaker 1: It's a big week, big week for the podcast, and

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Speaker 1: it's not about white tails. I mean, it's like, but

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Speaker 1: the let's see next week one of us will be

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Speaker 1: bashing the other one, right, I kind of just want

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Speaker 1: to start now, Okay, Well, I looked. I looked at

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Speaker 1: the statistics, right, and we have as far as a

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Speaker 1: season as the season is concerned, we have almost the

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Speaker 1: same exact stats except for one major difference. Have one

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Speaker 1: loss and we have zero losses. No, the big major

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Speaker 1: difference is strength of schedule. My friend, you guys have

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Speaker 1: played cupcakes if hey, I tell you what, if going

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Speaker 1: undefeated was so easy, why hasn't more people done it?

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Speaker 1: Why haven't more people done it? Because they don't play

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Speaker 1: as easier schedule is you guys, dude, we beat in

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Speaker 1: Nebraska who you lost to? We did it was on

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Speaker 1: a bad call, but regard you're right, we lost him

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Speaker 1: one bad call. You know, I'm not gonna use as

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Speaker 1: an excuse. We should have been able to win the

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Speaker 1: game plenty of other times. So yeah, we lost a game, absolutely,

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Speaker 1: but we've played you know, I kid, I kid want

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Speaker 1: to give I a hard time. I know you guys

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Speaker 1: are legit. I know you guys are going to be

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Speaker 1: a serious piece of competition for us. I just simply

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Speaker 1: have faith in the fact that we have beaten the

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Speaker 1: most top twenty five teams in the FBS, and we

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Speaker 1: have played one of the hardest schedules out there. And

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Speaker 1: I think that we've just been through a lot of

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Speaker 1: really tough, nail bedding games and we found a way

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Speaker 1: to win year after year after year. Really, um, so

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith, have a lot of faith.

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Speaker 1: I have a lot of faith faith to Mark. So

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Speaker 1: I guess we'll just have to uh see what happens

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Speaker 1: on Saturday. I feel like we can't just see. I

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Speaker 1: feel like we need to add a little more in

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Speaker 1: the line. And now, the last time we didn't even

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Speaker 1: do anything we need. I bet you a million dollars

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Speaker 1: that my fault. I just have failed to get the

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Speaker 1: stupid thing online. I need to just do that tomorrow.

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Speaker 1: But let's up the ending, maybe even more. But I'm

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Speaker 1: not sure how we'll have to think about it. I

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Speaker 1: got an idea, how do you want to do this?

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Speaker 1: I don't, dude, I don't know. I just um, I

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Speaker 1: don't know. I just really well, how about to your point, well,

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Speaker 1: we'll just give each other a lot of crap next week?

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Speaker 1: That's right? Uh? Public shaming? Public shaming? I agree. Maybe

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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. The loser or the winner gets

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Speaker 1: to make a meme out anything they want to do,

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Speaker 1: Wired Hunt and the nine Finger Chronicles Facebook pages. All right,

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Speaker 1: fair enough? No nudity and no swear word because we

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Speaker 1: there's a couple. There's a couple, all right, I like

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Speaker 1: your idea. Well, did you see anything tonight? I did? Shooter? Yes?

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Speaker 1: other hunters, seemingly, And that's where I saw several shooters

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Speaker 1: back in there tonight hung a new tree stand and

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Speaker 1: I saw two shooters. Again. Really, when you say shooters,

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Speaker 1: Who was the first deer in the field. Yeah. The

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Speaker 1: the issue with this spot is that there's a ton

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Speaker 1: You see, I've seen like I don't know, seven different shooters.

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Speaker 1: It's just really difficult to hunt because this is the

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Speaker 1: But the issue is it is just a corn field.

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Speaker 1: It's a field, you know, kind of like your situation

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Speaker 1: the neighbor's line um on your little property. You hunt there. Well,

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Speaker 1: like flat cut corn um. And they're coming off of

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Speaker 1: So there's there's three spots where these deer have been

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Speaker 1: One of them I could put a ground blind up

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Speaker 1: which one is the big buck gonna come out of tonight? Really?

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Speaker 1: Um so three times the big buck three times shooters

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Speaker 1: where I could put a ground blind. But I don't know,

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Speaker 1: Mary's Well? Tomorrow night, tomorrow morning, I'm hunting a different

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Speaker 1: when I'm looking at every encounter I've had and every

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Speaker 1: That might be my hail Mary. Hey, that's something John

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Speaker 1: Rambo might do, and you know, from the sounds of it,

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Speaker 1: that is the one thing I bet I could pop

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Speaker 1: some of these deer come out. Because the issue is

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Speaker 1: the cornfield, wide open, you know, no brush, no nothing,

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Speaker 1: pulled it off, but that was that was before any

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Speaker 1: got busted down wind. Yeah, I don't know, it might

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Speaker 1: come to that. We're gonna We're gonna see how it

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Speaker 1: running looking over their shoulder. I'm like, gotta be you know,

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Speaker 1: I saw was still nosing the dough around and I

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Speaker 1: think there's a little bit u I'm still kind of curious. Um,

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Speaker 1: So it's like, maybe we gotta we gotta buck pushing

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Speaker 1: these deer. Sunday night. Sunday night, I saw a dough

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Speaker 1: not pushing them, but nosing them, nosing one and grunting

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Speaker 1: at her. So and then I heard two shotgun uh lasts. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: it's not good. It's a little it's a little early too, right.

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Speaker 1: Welcome to show. Neil. Hey, it's great to be here, guys. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: from other nature, but you can really start to develop

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00:22:38,600 --> 00:22:42,959
Speaker 1: a strategy in and work an individual and you know,

428
00:22:43,000 --> 00:22:45,760
Speaker 1: if if everything lines up, you can get done in

429
00:22:45,760 --> 00:22:49,000
Speaker 1: a couple of days. So for my personal hunting property,

430
00:22:49,600 --> 00:22:51,720
Speaker 1: forget about the run. I would I would take you know,

431
00:22:51,760 --> 00:22:54,240
Speaker 1: we go as late in the middle of December here

432
00:22:54,280 --> 00:22:55,919
Speaker 1: in New York this year, a little bit later in

433
00:22:55,920 --> 00:22:58,680
Speaker 1: December twenty two, we finish up and I would give

434
00:22:58,760 --> 00:23:01,120
Speaker 1: up November and just hunt that last four or five

435
00:23:01,200 --> 00:23:03,240
Speaker 1: days a season. That keep in line, that's after we've

436
00:23:03,240 --> 00:23:06,000
Speaker 1: had sixty five days a hunting. So the deer are

437
00:23:06,080 --> 00:23:09,200
Speaker 1: worn down, their ground down. But but there's some strategies

438
00:23:09,200 --> 00:23:11,520
Speaker 1: you can put in place to you know, to get

439
00:23:11,600 --> 00:23:13,600
Speaker 1: him out there, especially if you can plant and do

440
00:23:13,760 --> 00:23:16,920
Speaker 1: things like that. You're giving us hope. This is a

441
00:23:16,920 --> 00:23:19,480
Speaker 1: good neal well, Yeah, it is. I'm saying all the

442
00:23:19,560 --> 00:23:21,600
Speaker 1: strategy thing. I was still lucky enough to you know,

443
00:23:21,840 --> 00:23:25,200
Speaker 1: get it done here in November and pleasantly surprised that

444
00:23:25,320 --> 00:23:26,720
Speaker 1: a big one walked by and I was able to

445
00:23:26,720 --> 00:23:30,760
Speaker 1: tag one. So it's it's still nice to have everything

446
00:23:30,800 --> 00:23:32,520
Speaker 1: often they come march and by and he didn't have

447
00:23:32,560 --> 00:23:33,840
Speaker 1: to think too hard, he just had to be in

448
00:23:33,840 --> 00:23:36,320
Speaker 1: the right tree. So it's still happy to take the

449
00:23:37,080 --> 00:23:39,280
Speaker 1: take the lucky portion of it. But this this is

450
00:23:39,280 --> 00:23:41,440
Speaker 1: where really I start to groove and get a kick

451
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:44,040
Speaker 1: out of the honeys, this late season stuff. Yeah, I've

452
00:23:44,080 --> 00:23:46,040
Speaker 1: really started to see some of the same things with

453
00:23:46,480 --> 00:23:48,040
Speaker 1: some of the properties that I've been able to hunt

454
00:23:48,080 --> 00:23:50,520
Speaker 1: where you know, especially in those areas where you can

455
00:23:50,560 --> 00:23:54,680
Speaker 1: find either low pressure areas within a property or if

456
00:23:54,680 --> 00:23:57,240
Speaker 1: you actually control the property, if you can control the pressure.

457
00:23:57,640 --> 00:23:59,639
Speaker 1: That's one of the things I found make such a

458
00:23:59,640 --> 00:24:02,439
Speaker 1: profound on difference to late season success. But before we

459
00:24:02,560 --> 00:24:07,160
Speaker 1: dive into into that or um any one specific aspect,

460
00:24:07,320 --> 00:24:09,560
Speaker 1: you mentioned a whole bunch of different things there that

461
00:24:09,680 --> 00:24:13,400
Speaker 1: kind of lead to success during the late season. UM,

462
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,119
Speaker 1: So I'm kind of curious if we can set the

463
00:24:15,160 --> 00:24:17,679
Speaker 1: table at the high level, What would you say are

464
00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,119
Speaker 1: the high level ingredients for a perfect or for a

465
00:24:21,160 --> 00:24:24,160
Speaker 1: great late season hunt. And then if you can lay

466
00:24:24,200 --> 00:24:26,640
Speaker 1: those couple of categories out, then I'm probably gonna want

467
00:24:26,680 --> 00:24:28,439
Speaker 1: to dive into each of those in more detail. But

468
00:24:28,440 --> 00:24:31,040
Speaker 1: I'm curious at the top, what are the categories of

469
00:24:31,080 --> 00:24:33,840
Speaker 1: things that we need to start thinking about to find

470
00:24:33,880 --> 00:24:37,280
Speaker 1: that right hunt in the right place. All right, So

471
00:24:37,280 --> 00:24:41,240
Speaker 1: so probably the greatest limiting factor I'm always thinking of

472
00:24:41,400 --> 00:24:44,040
Speaker 1: properties and limiting factor, what's gonna jack up the program

473
00:24:44,040 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: and screwing up screwing up for us. So the greatest

474
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:51,080
Speaker 1: limiting factor for late season is is actually not the

475
00:24:51,119 --> 00:24:53,560
Speaker 1: inventory of bucks. And I'm always gonna trust the bucks

476
00:24:53,600 --> 00:24:55,879
Speaker 1: typically can if you deal with four or five year

477
00:24:55,920 --> 00:24:57,840
Speaker 1: old states, usually are smart enough to get to that

478
00:24:57,880 --> 00:25:00,560
Speaker 1: point and you can almost kind of ar tee they're

479
00:25:00,560 --> 00:25:02,359
Speaker 1: gonna be there come the end of the season, but

480
00:25:02,480 --> 00:25:05,359
Speaker 1: likely they'll be there. But the greatest limiting factor for

481
00:25:05,440 --> 00:25:08,080
Speaker 1: late in the year is to have the weather that's

482
00:25:08,080 --> 00:25:10,680
Speaker 1: going to force them out of their poles that they've

483
00:25:10,720 --> 00:25:13,440
Speaker 1: been hiding in for in my case sixty days of

484
00:25:13,520 --> 00:25:16,439
Speaker 1: hunting season or other places uh the poort and will

485
00:25:16,480 --> 00:25:18,160
Speaker 1: force them out and bring them out whether they're gonna

486
00:25:18,200 --> 00:25:19,960
Speaker 1: be exposed to the gun or bow or whatever the

487
00:25:20,080 --> 00:25:23,359
Speaker 1: tool is of late year. So that number one is weather. Uh.

488
00:25:23,440 --> 00:25:25,840
Speaker 1: In for a lot of us this year we are

489
00:25:25,960 --> 00:25:28,960
Speaker 1: we are highly weather dependent. This year we reveal with

490
00:25:29,080 --> 00:25:31,560
Speaker 1: warm temperatures and we'll get into that detail and probably

491
00:25:31,600 --> 00:25:33,720
Speaker 1: a little bit later on, but we need to have

492
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:35,880
Speaker 1: some stuff, some temperatures that are gonna burn some calories

493
00:25:35,880 --> 00:25:38,000
Speaker 1: and force them to get out there. Uh. The second

494
00:25:38,040 --> 00:25:41,480
Speaker 1: thing is we have to feel the control pressure and

495
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:45,000
Speaker 1: uh and try to get in a situation where we

496
00:25:45,000 --> 00:25:47,680
Speaker 1: we at least know what everybody's doing and how they're

497
00:25:47,680 --> 00:25:51,119
Speaker 1: playing the chessboard. Um, you know, even if guys you're hunting,

498
00:25:51,160 --> 00:25:52,879
Speaker 1: know what their play is, so we can kind of

499
00:25:52,920 --> 00:25:55,600
Speaker 1: play off of that in a predictable manner. You know,

500
00:25:55,680 --> 00:25:58,120
Speaker 1: hunt Bob does this in this tour of the property.

501
00:25:58,160 --> 00:26:00,760
Speaker 1: We have stuct the deer to react this way and

502
00:26:00,800 --> 00:26:02,800
Speaker 1: we kind of know how to play off of him.

503
00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:05,600
Speaker 1: So you know, it's not necessarily no hunters in the woods,

504
00:26:05,600 --> 00:26:07,679
Speaker 1: but understand that they're out there and what the impact

505
00:26:07,840 --> 00:26:09,520
Speaker 1: is going to be. And then we have to rely

506
00:26:09,600 --> 00:26:12,200
Speaker 1: on the deer in the physical makeup of the deer

507
00:26:12,240 --> 00:26:16,000
Speaker 1: as well, so is that still healthy? The rut is

508
00:26:16,080 --> 00:26:19,320
Speaker 1: a grueling, mean process of a white tailed box, especially

509
00:26:19,359 --> 00:26:21,399
Speaker 1: if there's other age in the neighborhood, he's a liable

510
00:26:21,440 --> 00:26:24,640
Speaker 1: to have at this point in time open abscesses from

511
00:26:24,680 --> 00:26:28,560
Speaker 1: antler wounds and busted up legs and torn shoulders and

512
00:26:28,880 --> 00:26:31,280
Speaker 1: broken jaws. I mean, there's all kinds of stuff we're

513
00:26:31,320 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: seeing in photos now, and my customers are killing deer

514
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:36,480
Speaker 1: that have just been pounded during the run. You know,

515
00:26:36,520 --> 00:26:38,920
Speaker 1: not to mention some hunting issues that can happen as well,

516
00:26:39,359 --> 00:26:42,120
Speaker 1: that these there are in some cases worn out, and

517
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:43,960
Speaker 1: if you know your deal of the worn out here,

518
00:26:44,000 --> 00:26:46,400
Speaker 1: that's going to change the women to react and trying

519
00:26:46,400 --> 00:26:49,280
Speaker 1: to adjust my hunting strategy to versus a deer that's

520
00:26:49,359 --> 00:26:52,359
Speaker 1: fat and happy on you know, the last camera you're

521
00:26:52,400 --> 00:26:54,600
Speaker 1: pulled and looking to be a really good shape. How

522
00:26:54,640 --> 00:26:56,560
Speaker 1: they're gonna behave a little bit differently in the late

523
00:26:56,600 --> 00:26:59,719
Speaker 1: season as well. So all this stuff kind of marries

524
00:26:59,760 --> 00:27:02,399
Speaker 1: and comes together, and you know, as well as the

525
00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:05,159
Speaker 1: food sources in your neighborhood, so you know, knowing what

526
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,760
Speaker 1: you were able to plant and do the hard work

527
00:27:07,800 --> 00:27:10,720
Speaker 1: and in may or June and food plot season. With

528
00:27:10,760 --> 00:27:12,600
Speaker 1: this type of food sources, you're able to put them

529
00:27:12,600 --> 00:27:14,360
Speaker 1: around and kind of score for late and year will

530
00:27:14,359 --> 00:27:16,440
Speaker 1: dictate how that late season hunting is going to be.

531
00:27:17,080 --> 00:27:19,480
Speaker 1: So all that stuff kind of comes together and in

532
00:27:19,520 --> 00:27:21,840
Speaker 1: the juggles variable to determine whether or not you're going

533
00:27:21,880 --> 00:27:23,320
Speaker 1: to have some success late in the year or not.

534
00:27:24,680 --> 00:27:28,760
Speaker 1: So one of the first things you mentioned, Neil was weather,

535
00:27:29,480 --> 00:27:31,720
Speaker 1: and that is I think you know a lot of

536
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:35,920
Speaker 1: people would agree one of the very most important variables

537
00:27:35,960 --> 00:27:38,159
Speaker 1: to late season success. And like you mentioned, it's been

538
00:27:38,200 --> 00:27:41,520
Speaker 1: pretty warm throughout a lot of parts of the country. Um,

539
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:43,480
Speaker 1: So let's dive into that first. You know, when it

540
00:27:43,480 --> 00:27:45,399
Speaker 1: comes to the late season, what kind of weather are

541
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:48,199
Speaker 1: we looking for, um, and how do we take advantage

542
00:27:48,200 --> 00:27:51,359
Speaker 1: of that? Yeah. So, so you know, I'm watching this

543
00:27:51,400 --> 00:27:54,640
Speaker 1: stuff really closely to the point of we finished out

544
00:27:54,680 --> 00:27:56,600
Speaker 1: the month, and I'll tell you from my region of

545
00:27:56,640 --> 00:27:58,919
Speaker 1: the country where I'm where I'm currently sitting right now.

546
00:27:59,080 --> 00:28:00,560
Speaker 1: You know, I'm in a parking a lot in a

547
00:28:00,560 --> 00:28:02,679
Speaker 1: little bit of pound getting ready to guide some some

548
00:28:02,760 --> 00:28:04,600
Speaker 1: of the hunters of the client I work for on

549
00:28:04,640 --> 00:28:07,560
Speaker 1: their late season hunt. Their last couple of days up hunting,

550
00:28:07,600 --> 00:28:09,719
Speaker 1: and I'm tuned into the point that I know that

551
00:28:09,800 --> 00:28:12,359
Speaker 1: the temperatures from the last thirty days has been seven

552
00:28:12,400 --> 00:28:16,159
Speaker 1: point seven degrees about normal. And it may not sound

553
00:28:16,200 --> 00:28:19,240
Speaker 1: like a big deal, but the white tail have had

554
00:28:19,280 --> 00:28:23,920
Speaker 1: to burn a significant amount of less calories to stay warm.

555
00:28:23,960 --> 00:28:25,960
Speaker 1: And what that's going to result and you can see

556
00:28:25,960 --> 00:28:27,920
Speaker 1: this in the skinny said, what that's gonna result in

557
00:28:28,000 --> 00:28:30,800
Speaker 1: is we have bidified contents that are higher than they

558
00:28:30,800 --> 00:28:33,320
Speaker 1: were last year and the year before the year before that.

559
00:28:33,960 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 1: So I have deer that are relatively full, they're fat,

560
00:28:38,520 --> 00:28:41,280
Speaker 1: and they're not it's worn down, or for that matter,

561
00:28:41,320 --> 00:28:44,080
Speaker 1: they're not even close to where they are on average. Uh.

562
00:28:44,440 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: And now this is a perfect storm of deer and

563
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:49,840
Speaker 1: not wanting to come to a food plot. You need

564
00:28:49,880 --> 00:28:51,800
Speaker 1: to have it here that's kind of worn down a

565
00:28:51,800 --> 00:28:54,080
Speaker 1: little bit for this late season hunt to come together.

566
00:28:54,800 --> 00:28:57,720
Speaker 1: And you know, I four or five years ago we

567
00:28:57,840 --> 00:29:01,120
Speaker 1: started looking at this. I really was of the opinion it, Hey,

568
00:29:01,200 --> 00:29:03,480
Speaker 1: it didn't really matter so much that you had a

569
00:29:03,560 --> 00:29:06,960
Speaker 1: bump of crop of acorns all September, October and November

570
00:29:06,960 --> 00:29:09,440
Speaker 1: and your property if you could get December snows to

571
00:29:09,520 --> 00:29:11,480
Speaker 1: pile up a little bit. There are four or five

572
00:29:11,560 --> 00:29:14,000
Speaker 1: days and below average temperatures, your deer would come to

573
00:29:14,000 --> 00:29:17,400
Speaker 1: the food plots. That I think that was We're wasn't

574
00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,480
Speaker 1: the cost of kind of understand what was going on there.

575
00:29:19,480 --> 00:29:22,840
Speaker 1: But the bottom line is it'll bring them to the

576
00:29:22,840 --> 00:29:25,000
Speaker 1: plot a little bit. But if they're going to consistently

577
00:29:25,040 --> 00:29:27,600
Speaker 1: get to the plot, especially in states where they have

578
00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:30,600
Speaker 1: pretty high hunting pressure, you need to have a deer

579
00:29:30,640 --> 00:29:32,760
Speaker 1: that's kind of worn down. The fat content has worn

580
00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:35,440
Speaker 1: down some and it's they don't have the luxury kind

581
00:29:35,440 --> 00:29:37,400
Speaker 1: of hanging back and not eating for a couple of days.

582
00:29:37,400 --> 00:29:39,640
Speaker 1: They need to go and consume the food in the

583
00:29:39,680 --> 00:29:42,320
Speaker 1: good locations and and then head back and you know,

584
00:29:42,360 --> 00:29:45,200
Speaker 1: get back to the bush and and those circumstances. We

585
00:29:45,320 --> 00:29:47,320
Speaker 1: see a lot of these. And when I'm not talking

586
00:29:47,320 --> 00:29:49,120
Speaker 1: about two year old bucks showing up on a food

587
00:29:49,120 --> 00:29:51,280
Speaker 1: plot preying around a year in bucks that I'm talking

588
00:29:51,320 --> 00:29:53,200
Speaker 1: about the four wards and the fives and the seven

589
00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:55,320
Speaker 1: year olds that are in out there that really know

590
00:29:55,400 --> 00:29:57,880
Speaker 1: how to play the game. When they're worn down, then

591
00:29:57,920 --> 00:29:59,920
Speaker 1: we see them showing up in the plots quite a bit.

592
00:30:00,800 --> 00:30:03,120
Speaker 1: And it's not unfortunately, it's not a couple of days

593
00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,120
Speaker 1: of weather. So where I personally am and where a

594
00:30:05,120 --> 00:30:07,840
Speaker 1: lot of us stuff already this year, Your seven eight

595
00:30:07,920 --> 00:30:11,520
Speaker 1: ten degrees about normal for the last dirty days. If

596
00:30:11,520 --> 00:30:13,640
Speaker 1: you've been paying attention to those kind of things, that

597
00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:16,960
Speaker 1: content is really probably higher than what you would hope

598
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,200
Speaker 1: for on those deer. And you're here looking at the

599
00:30:20,200 --> 00:30:22,120
Speaker 1: ten day forecast and going, hey, there's a couple of

600
00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:24,680
Speaker 1: days of a little bit below average temperatures. Maybe we

601
00:30:24,720 --> 00:30:28,160
Speaker 1: get a little bit of snow. What it was likely

602
00:30:28,240 --> 00:30:30,920
Speaker 1: to take for you to have that significant feeding event

603
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,800
Speaker 1: that you, you know, calling sick from work and and

604
00:30:33,800 --> 00:30:36,200
Speaker 1: and charge out to the woods. It's probably gonna take

605
00:30:36,240 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: a good bit of snow covering for three or four

606
00:30:38,600 --> 00:30:41,000
Speaker 1: days to cover up a lot of those easy excess

607
00:30:41,000 --> 00:30:44,920
Speaker 1: foods and nForce them into the high concentration foods. Uh So,

608
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,800
Speaker 1: it's it's we're kind of in a tricky position for

609
00:30:48,840 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: a lot of people on specially East Coast and kind

610
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,000
Speaker 1: of the central part of the country this year in

611
00:30:54,080 --> 00:30:55,880
Speaker 1: terms of whether we're gonna get the deer to come

612
00:30:55,920 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: out with the weather's gonna properate for us or not,

613
00:30:58,400 --> 00:31:00,520
Speaker 1: and we'll get that kind of that mass movement where

614
00:31:00,560 --> 00:31:02,840
Speaker 1: things are a little bit easy on the hunting side.

615
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:06,400
Speaker 1: So one of the big things, and this is you know,

616
00:31:06,760 --> 00:31:08,440
Speaker 1: kind of just re saying what you said there. But

617
00:31:08,480 --> 00:31:13,680
Speaker 1: one of the major um points that I focus on

618
00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:16,600
Speaker 1: a lot during late season is my timing and and

619
00:31:17,160 --> 00:31:21,040
Speaker 1: you know, not pressuring those deer at all until timing

620
00:31:21,120 --> 00:31:23,400
Speaker 1: is just right. During the late season, a massive amount

621
00:31:23,400 --> 00:31:26,000
Speaker 1: of that correct timing is related to getting this weather

622
00:31:26,040 --> 00:31:28,480
Speaker 1: event like you mentioned that will push these deer out

623
00:31:28,480 --> 00:31:32,040
Speaker 1: early before dark into some type of food source. Um.

624
00:31:32,160 --> 00:31:33,880
Speaker 1: And so a lot of my hunting this time of

625
00:31:33,920 --> 00:31:36,680
Speaker 1: year is doing just what you mentioned, watching the forecast,

626
00:31:36,760 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 1: waiting for that event, and then you know, taking off

627
00:31:38,960 --> 00:31:40,440
Speaker 1: work or whatever to make sure I hunt on that

628
00:31:40,520 --> 00:31:43,040
Speaker 1: day or whatever it might be. Um. I want to

629
00:31:43,040 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 1: talk a little bit more about those specific conditions, but

630
00:31:45,360 --> 00:31:49,640
Speaker 1: I want to first what happens if you don't get that?

631
00:31:50,040 --> 00:31:52,760
Speaker 1: Like what happens if I have a week of vacation

632
00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,160
Speaker 1: or whatever it might be, or a guy has a

633
00:31:55,160 --> 00:31:57,680
Speaker 1: gun the guns season is open December one through six

634
00:31:57,800 --> 00:32:00,720
Speaker 1: or whatever, and it's fifty degree ease the whole week

635
00:32:00,880 --> 00:32:03,280
Speaker 1: and no significant event. I mean, what do you do

636
00:32:03,440 --> 00:32:05,440
Speaker 1: in that type of situation when you you want to hunt,

637
00:32:05,640 --> 00:32:08,440
Speaker 1: this is your chance to hunt, but you just don't

638
00:32:08,600 --> 00:32:11,320
Speaker 1: have those correct weather conditions. Are you of the mind

639
00:32:11,360 --> 00:32:14,880
Speaker 1: that you say just still don't hunt, just you have

640
00:32:15,080 --> 00:32:16,680
Speaker 1: to wait it out and maybe you only get one

641
00:32:16,760 --> 00:32:18,360
Speaker 1: hunt thrust of the year, or which is there some

642
00:32:18,480 --> 00:32:20,840
Speaker 1: other option when the weather isn't ideal in the late season?

643
00:32:21,640 --> 00:32:24,080
Speaker 1: All right, So we've been playing a lot with formulas,

644
00:32:24,160 --> 00:32:26,640
Speaker 1: and I do work with some outfitters and we're trying

645
00:32:26,680 --> 00:32:30,240
Speaker 1: to balance pressure versions results. Okay, so we've been playing

646
00:32:30,280 --> 00:32:33,800
Speaker 1: and tweaking these formulas this time of year, late season,

647
00:32:33,840 --> 00:32:36,440
Speaker 1: de yer that are not rut driven. Uh And and

648
00:32:36,600 --> 00:32:38,760
Speaker 1: keep in mind too, we're not we're saying they're pretty

649
00:32:38,800 --> 00:32:42,880
Speaker 1: well done with the rut. If your fonds reach seventy pounds,

650
00:32:42,960 --> 00:32:44,600
Speaker 1: they're going to come into astris. So a lot of

651
00:32:44,640 --> 00:32:46,800
Speaker 1: those do fonts can come into astrisk. Does that weren't

652
00:32:46,800 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: read in the first time can cycle in later. So

653
00:32:49,520 --> 00:32:51,880
Speaker 1: while we're all sitting back here saying at fifty degrees,

654
00:32:51,920 --> 00:32:54,680
Speaker 1: don't go hunting, it's a small percentage. It might be

655
00:32:54,800 --> 00:32:57,520
Speaker 1: ten or fifteen percent of your doughs aren't currently read

656
00:32:57,920 --> 00:32:59,800
Speaker 1: that could fire up and bring the big guy out

657
00:32:59,840 --> 00:33:01,640
Speaker 1: in any minute, and you can shoot them on a

658
00:33:01,640 --> 00:33:04,560
Speaker 1: six degree a day. So there is so a little

659
00:33:04,600 --> 00:33:07,320
Speaker 1: bit of kind of Las Vegas luck ahead of us

660
00:33:07,480 --> 00:33:09,840
Speaker 1: as a potential. It's not you know, hey, let's shut

661
00:33:09,920 --> 00:33:12,360
Speaker 1: the season off and not go But if we're strictly

662
00:33:12,520 --> 00:33:15,200
Speaker 1: you know, forget about that lucky variable of a possible

663
00:33:15,400 --> 00:33:18,840
Speaker 1: esther though, go back to the feeding window. If we

664
00:33:19,000 --> 00:33:22,480
Speaker 1: have fat, happy dear uh, and we have temperatures that

665
00:33:22,680 --> 00:33:26,360
Speaker 1: have been running by ten degrees above normal, the frequency

666
00:33:26,440 --> 00:33:28,920
Speaker 1: of hunt that I'm advising my clients as they can

667
00:33:29,040 --> 00:33:31,400
Speaker 1: hunt for about two days and they better pull out

668
00:33:31,440 --> 00:33:32,959
Speaker 1: of the woods and give it about a seven day

669
00:33:33,040 --> 00:33:35,960
Speaker 1: rest um. And and even in the big pieces, these

670
00:33:36,000 --> 00:33:38,960
Speaker 1: are five acre pieces, thousand acre pieces, put a couple

671
00:33:38,960 --> 00:33:40,480
Speaker 1: of days on them, and I give him a break

672
00:33:40,760 --> 00:33:42,640
Speaker 1: to try to keep it as fresh as possible and

673
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:46,240
Speaker 1: be extremely strategic, like you're talking about in terms of

674
00:33:46,320 --> 00:33:49,080
Speaker 1: the weather and the wind, and in trying to pick

675
00:33:49,160 --> 00:33:51,640
Speaker 1: the days when they might be I'll feel a little

676
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:53,880
Speaker 1: bit fresher to show up a little bit earlier. Are

677
00:33:54,200 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: things of that nature. So you know, the cooler days

678
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:57,880
Speaker 1: and days you're going to try to go out. We're

679
00:33:58,440 --> 00:34:01,120
Speaker 1: really this time of year, limiting our morning hunting pressure

680
00:34:01,200 --> 00:34:03,920
Speaker 1: just to try to, you know, take one more shift

681
00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:06,240
Speaker 1: off the fields or one more shift off the properties,

682
00:34:06,320 --> 00:34:08,040
Speaker 1: just slipping out in the evening when we's a little

683
00:34:08,040 --> 00:34:11,640
Speaker 1: bit more of a concentrated and feeding environment. So, uh,

684
00:34:11,760 --> 00:34:14,160
Speaker 1: no other type of strategy we're doing in uh. In

685
00:34:14,239 --> 00:34:16,279
Speaker 1: our last book, we put out we we've heard to

686
00:34:16,400 --> 00:34:19,040
Speaker 1: it as kind of a drone drone hunting. We were

687
00:34:19,120 --> 00:34:21,719
Speaker 1: kind of taking analogy out of the military, and and

688
00:34:21,800 --> 00:34:24,839
Speaker 1: this time of years where you've almost envisioned the drone

689
00:34:24,880 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: is circular. I'm gathering camera footage. I'm you know, hopefully

690
00:34:28,520 --> 00:34:30,960
Speaker 1: we're in a state where wireless cameras are available to us.

691
00:34:31,800 --> 00:34:33,800
Speaker 1: You're getting that wireless input to your cell phones, so

692
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,879
Speaker 1: you're not putting pressure on your deer or you're checking

693
00:34:35,920 --> 00:34:38,359
Speaker 1: your cameras every seven and ten days, you know, middle

694
00:34:38,400 --> 00:34:41,040
Speaker 1: of the day, total wal pressure, trying not to get

695
00:34:41,080 --> 00:34:43,320
Speaker 1: in the middle of betting areas. And you're watching and

696
00:34:43,440 --> 00:34:45,840
Speaker 1: watching and you're looking for a buck to show some

697
00:34:46,000 --> 00:34:48,279
Speaker 1: kind of vulnerability. At the same time, you're watching the

698
00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:50,680
Speaker 1: next ten day weather forecast. I'm you know, up at

699
00:34:50,719 --> 00:34:52,279
Speaker 1: four o'clock in the morning every morning to look at

700
00:34:52,320 --> 00:34:54,360
Speaker 1: the weather forecast. I might think I'm crazy and you

701
00:34:54,480 --> 00:34:56,680
Speaker 1: haven't memorized by now a lot, just trying to see

702
00:34:56,800 --> 00:34:59,279
Speaker 1: hopefully it's gonna get cold, and yeah, I've got a

703
00:34:59,320 --> 00:35:00,759
Speaker 1: couple of good bucks. I'm trying to wear it down

704
00:35:00,800 --> 00:35:03,080
Speaker 1: in our place here. So you're you're saying, man, I'm

705
00:35:03,120 --> 00:35:06,279
Speaker 1: just looking for that that change at weather for forecast change,

706
00:35:06,320 --> 00:35:08,480
Speaker 1: it's gonna start to set up. We're gonna change the

707
00:35:08,520 --> 00:35:10,240
Speaker 1: schedule a little bit and try to get to the woods.

708
00:35:10,880 --> 00:35:13,520
Speaker 1: But you know, a long way around the block on that.

709
00:35:13,719 --> 00:35:16,440
Speaker 1: It's it's you get. You really have to measure the

710
00:35:16,480 --> 00:35:18,759
Speaker 1: pressure and really start to look at things this time

711
00:35:18,760 --> 00:35:20,000
Speaker 1: of year, and you have to figure out how much

712
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,720
Speaker 1: pressure you canna put on it on a weather window

713
00:35:23,239 --> 00:35:26,680
Speaker 1: unlike we're having right now, or the temperatures are five

714
00:35:26,760 --> 00:35:29,680
Speaker 1: ten degrees below normal, we've got blow and snow, we've

715
00:35:29,719 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: got blizzard conditions. It's been snow covered for four or

716
00:35:33,040 --> 00:35:36,000
Speaker 1: five days straight, seven days straight, and the deer getting

717
00:35:36,000 --> 00:35:38,480
Speaker 1: beat up with wind chills and stuff like that. You

718
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:40,360
Speaker 1: can almost grind it, you know, you can grind in

719
00:35:40,440 --> 00:35:45,239
Speaker 1: some cases, grind a field over and over and over again. Uh,

720
00:35:45,600 --> 00:35:48,120
Speaker 1: even a situation sake standing corn or something like that.

721
00:35:48,239 --> 00:35:49,759
Speaker 1: Just put a ton of pressure on and they're just

722
00:35:49,800 --> 00:35:53,080
Speaker 1: gonna keep on comment as they have to um And

723
00:35:53,200 --> 00:35:55,120
Speaker 1: you can really get a good opportunity that way. Not

724
00:35:55,200 --> 00:35:56,320
Speaker 1: and you can't get down out of the tree and

725
00:35:56,360 --> 00:35:57,960
Speaker 1: spook all the deer off the field every night, But

726
00:35:58,040 --> 00:36:00,799
Speaker 1: if you're sensible about it, trying to chip away at

727
00:36:00,840 --> 00:36:02,480
Speaker 1: the corners a little bit, you can get some really

728
00:36:02,520 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: good hunting input. This is not one of those years

729
00:36:04,880 --> 00:36:07,560
Speaker 1: where you can manhandle a piece of property. Yes, so

730
00:36:07,719 --> 00:36:10,160
Speaker 1: I gotta I got a quick question, and sorry to interrupt, Mark,

731
00:36:10,320 --> 00:36:13,959
Speaker 1: but okay, so we're talking about this late season type

732
00:36:13,960 --> 00:36:17,359
Speaker 1: of hunting, and you know they're focusing on the bed

733
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:23,360
Speaker 1: too food source pattern, right, So if the weather is not,

734
00:36:24,520 --> 00:36:28,120
Speaker 1: if the weather may not, scream, get in the tree,

735
00:36:28,200 --> 00:36:31,120
Speaker 1: stand and sit on this field edge of this food

736
00:36:31,480 --> 00:36:35,800
Speaker 1: this food source or this food plot. Are you telling

737
00:36:35,840 --> 00:36:38,919
Speaker 1: any of your clients to take your stand and get

738
00:36:39,040 --> 00:36:42,360
Speaker 1: back further in the woods to to catch them in

739
00:36:42,400 --> 00:36:45,880
Speaker 1: a staging area or maybe a travel route at the

740
00:36:45,960 --> 00:36:48,239
Speaker 1: end of you know, great, great, great input on that.

741
00:36:48,560 --> 00:36:50,680
Speaker 1: And and here's where we're gonna watch our cameras. So

742
00:36:50,920 --> 00:36:54,200
Speaker 1: if our cameras are showing some good fer the frequency

743
00:36:54,200 --> 00:36:55,839
Speaker 1: I'm looking for. Let's say we take a seven day

744
00:36:55,920 --> 00:36:59,239
Speaker 1: window and I have a shuggarbut showing up for out

745
00:36:59,280 --> 00:37:01,200
Speaker 1: of the seven day as in front of the camera,

746
00:37:01,239 --> 00:37:03,880
Speaker 1: I'd say that's that's high frequency. So I'm really pretty

747
00:37:03,920 --> 00:37:06,680
Speaker 1: pumped about that level of use. You've got to believe

748
00:37:06,680 --> 00:37:08,600
Speaker 1: he's coming to the field at other locations as well,

749
00:37:08,680 --> 00:37:11,799
Speaker 1: not just past your camera. If he's showing up at

750
00:37:11,840 --> 00:37:13,840
Speaker 1: two or three in the morning, every time, you know,

751
00:37:14,000 --> 00:37:16,480
Speaker 1: eleven thirty, twelve o'clock, at ninth, four or five hours

752
00:37:16,520 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: after dark, I'd probably say he's just hunkering so tightened

753
00:37:21,360 --> 00:37:24,239
Speaker 1: it's not going to be anywhere even close to that

754
00:37:24,400 --> 00:37:27,239
Speaker 1: field edge or within two hundred yards of it when

755
00:37:27,239 --> 00:37:29,680
Speaker 1: I can still get you know, have legal shooting lights.

756
00:37:30,120 --> 00:37:33,239
Speaker 1: If he's an hour after dark, if he's a half

757
00:37:33,280 --> 00:37:35,720
Speaker 1: hour after dark, he's just on the edge of twilight,

758
00:37:35,920 --> 00:37:38,640
Speaker 1: and I'm getting photos like that, then we're gonna take

759
00:37:38,640 --> 00:37:41,600
Speaker 1: a real hard look at it. Uh, it's possibly moving

760
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:45,160
Speaker 1: on him. Now. Now here's another variable. So most of

761
00:37:45,200 --> 00:37:48,759
Speaker 1: my client's own ground or playing on leases that they

762
00:37:48,840 --> 00:37:52,680
Speaker 1: have long term, and and we have back here and

763
00:37:52,719 --> 00:37:55,960
Speaker 1: knees the relatively competitive hiding garments. So I may be

764
00:37:56,040 --> 00:37:58,359
Speaker 1: working with a three acre piece of ground and there's

765
00:37:58,440 --> 00:38:01,120
Speaker 1: you know, a hundred acres or three or four acre

766
00:38:01,160 --> 00:38:03,760
Speaker 1: pieces that enjoy it. There's a lot of potential tags

767
00:38:03,800 --> 00:38:06,359
Speaker 1: and lots of potential hunters in the woods. And one

768
00:38:06,400 --> 00:38:08,520
Speaker 1: of the things I worked with my clients and say,

769
00:38:08,680 --> 00:38:12,120
Speaker 1: you know, when we're dealing with with quality, dear, dear

770
00:38:12,200 --> 00:38:15,040
Speaker 1: of age, it's a long chest match and it doesn't

771
00:38:15,080 --> 00:38:18,640
Speaker 1: happen necessarily end at the conclusion of this season. So

772
00:38:18,760 --> 00:38:21,160
Speaker 1: when we're growing deer year after year, we get to

773
00:38:21,239 --> 00:38:23,520
Speaker 1: know we might hunt them for two or three years

774
00:38:24,239 --> 00:38:26,239
Speaker 1: before we finally get a chance to have you know,

775
00:38:26,320 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: the movement stars line up and we connect with them.

776
00:38:28,760 --> 00:38:31,920
Speaker 1: But one thing that can change that absolutely is when

777
00:38:32,000 --> 00:38:34,480
Speaker 1: my property and my property to pack with guys and

778
00:38:34,600 --> 00:38:36,680
Speaker 1: rifles are on the edges right now that you know,

779
00:38:36,719 --> 00:38:39,120
Speaker 1: they're kind of a perceivers a lot of good deer

780
00:38:39,200 --> 00:38:41,319
Speaker 1: in there and there they work are just hard. If

781
00:38:41,360 --> 00:38:44,160
Speaker 1: I bumped him out of a bedroom, one, he's definitely

782
00:38:44,239 --> 00:38:45,880
Speaker 1: not showing up the food block because I came too

783
00:38:45,920 --> 00:38:48,120
Speaker 1: close to him. And two, if I move them too

784
00:38:48,160 --> 00:38:50,759
Speaker 1: far is debt because I'm you know, the deers within

785
00:38:50,800 --> 00:38:53,400
Speaker 1: three yards of a property line at the skips across

786
00:38:53,480 --> 00:38:55,440
Speaker 1: that thing. He's just not going to get back. So

787
00:38:55,640 --> 00:38:57,759
Speaker 1: you do have to run. You have to know your

788
00:38:57,760 --> 00:38:59,960
Speaker 1: neighborhood and know what you get away with. In some case,

789
00:39:00,000 --> 00:39:02,440
Speaker 1: as you believe it or not, I've had years or

790
00:39:02,440 --> 00:39:05,120
Speaker 1: I say, you know what, guys, he's gonna be bigger

791
00:39:05,160 --> 00:39:08,960
Speaker 1: next year. And that can be a very difficult scenario

792
00:39:09,120 --> 00:39:11,479
Speaker 1: if you're looking at five days left in the season going,

793
00:39:11,719 --> 00:39:13,600
Speaker 1: oh man, I'm gonna I'm gonna gonna fold up my

794
00:39:13,680 --> 00:39:16,920
Speaker 1: tent and give up on this year. But sometimes if

795
00:39:16,920 --> 00:39:20,279
Speaker 1: you're really trying to cultivate that one buck and and

796
00:39:20,360 --> 00:39:22,680
Speaker 1: you want to have them for another year playing chat,

797
00:39:23,000 --> 00:39:24,719
Speaker 1: sometimes you have to pack off them and just say

798
00:39:24,760 --> 00:39:26,960
Speaker 1: it's it's not gonna happen this year, and I've done

799
00:39:26,960 --> 00:39:29,200
Speaker 1: in a bunch and swallow the tags. And these are

800
00:39:29,239 --> 00:39:32,160
Speaker 1: on pieces that you manage. Now, if you're in a

801
00:39:32,280 --> 00:39:35,840
Speaker 1: public lay and haunts your permission to hunt situation, you

802
00:39:35,880 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: don't know what your access is, totally different scenaria go

803
00:39:39,160 --> 00:39:41,040
Speaker 1: for you know, going and try to make it happen.

804
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,160
Speaker 1: But but I err on the side of caution. I

805
00:39:43,239 --> 00:39:45,359
Speaker 1: just don't want to bump these deer or pressure these deer,

806
00:39:45,440 --> 00:39:49,040
Speaker 1: and and right now with the weather conditions the way

807
00:39:49,160 --> 00:39:51,680
Speaker 1: they are, that matter. It's it's not even so much

808
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:54,279
Speaker 1: as it's just warmer this year, it's if you bump

809
00:39:54,360 --> 00:39:56,279
Speaker 1: a five year old back or six year old bluck

810
00:39:56,360 --> 00:39:58,960
Speaker 1: now post breeding season when he's not good, if you

811
00:39:59,120 --> 00:40:02,640
Speaker 1: bump him, he's gonna be significantly changing his patterns for

812
00:40:02,840 --> 00:40:04,719
Speaker 1: you know, the next five to seven days. Not saying

813
00:40:04,760 --> 00:40:06,719
Speaker 1: he's not going to kill him the next day, but

814
00:40:07,160 --> 00:40:09,200
Speaker 1: but he's just not going to tolerate that path that

815
00:40:09,280 --> 00:40:12,279
Speaker 1: pressure too well. And and especially get out of the

816
00:40:12,320 --> 00:40:13,880
Speaker 1: Midwest and go to areas with a little bit more

817
00:40:13,920 --> 00:40:16,279
Speaker 1: hunting pressure. You know, those deer are gonna affect and

818
00:40:16,600 --> 00:40:19,120
Speaker 1: change quite a bit. And I'm really luctant to found

819
00:40:19,160 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: some are a bit too close to them. So I

820
00:40:21,640 --> 00:40:24,359
Speaker 1: like your idea, but I just would like to try

821
00:40:24,400 --> 00:40:26,640
Speaker 1: to make sure we're gonna one get that betting area

822
00:40:26,640 --> 00:40:28,120
Speaker 1: a little bit of room, and then just to know

823
00:40:28,280 --> 00:40:30,640
Speaker 1: if we're we're really well in the pressure and maybe

824
00:40:30,760 --> 00:40:32,640
Speaker 1: maybe run the risk of run them off the property

825
00:40:32,680 --> 00:40:35,279
Speaker 1: and not seeing him again. The fine line you have

826
00:40:35,320 --> 00:40:38,600
Speaker 1: to walk, isn't it. It's it's kind of a tight rope. Yeah,

827
00:40:38,600 --> 00:40:40,640
Speaker 1: and I probably air on the side of caution too much,

828
00:40:40,719 --> 00:40:46,719
Speaker 1: but you know, I'm we're let's you know, we're killing deer.

829
00:40:46,800 --> 00:40:49,800
Speaker 1: There are five six seven years of age uh in

830
00:40:50,120 --> 00:40:54,040
Speaker 1: in properties that one they're too small to typically do that.

831
00:40:54,160 --> 00:40:56,160
Speaker 1: And too we're in areas of the country where there's

832
00:40:56,200 --> 00:40:59,040
Speaker 1: really high hunting pressure, so um, we have to be

833
00:40:59,120 --> 00:41:01,400
Speaker 1: real cautious and areas to get that kind of uh

834
00:41:01,719 --> 00:41:04,640
Speaker 1: was kind of results. So so, Neil, one of the

835
00:41:05,560 --> 00:41:08,400
Speaker 1: important distinctions I think you made was the difference between

836
00:41:08,480 --> 00:41:11,840
Speaker 1: hunting on a scenario where you have control of the

837
00:41:11,880 --> 00:41:14,000
Speaker 1: property at the least or you own the ground, versus

838
00:41:14,080 --> 00:41:16,279
Speaker 1: being on public or private and how different those two

839
00:41:16,360 --> 00:41:20,120
Speaker 1: scenarios are and how different your mindset needs to be. Um.

840
00:41:20,200 --> 00:41:23,040
Speaker 1: And I'm in one of the situations similar to the ladder,

841
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:26,160
Speaker 1: where I have permission on a piece of private ground

842
00:41:26,480 --> 00:41:28,480
Speaker 1: but other people can hunt it. And I've got the

843
00:41:28,520 --> 00:41:31,160
Speaker 1: shotgun season here, opening an aisle in four days, and

844
00:41:31,200 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are gonna be hunting it.

845
00:41:33,400 --> 00:41:35,320
Speaker 1: So it does require a little bit more of the

846
00:41:35,400 --> 00:41:39,040
Speaker 1: aggressive tactics, maybe, like Dan mentioned or something totally different. Um,

847
00:41:39,400 --> 00:41:41,160
Speaker 1: But it's just a really important point that I want

848
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,680
Speaker 1: to emphasize to everyone out there is that you know,

849
00:41:44,320 --> 00:41:47,960
Speaker 1: keep in mind what your specific scenario might mean and

850
00:41:48,080 --> 00:41:49,560
Speaker 1: why you might want to be a little bit more

851
00:41:49,600 --> 00:41:52,680
Speaker 1: aggressive versus a little more passive and careful if you

852
00:41:52,760 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: have that control. Like you mentioned, Neil, I think airing

853
00:41:55,120 --> 00:41:57,920
Speaker 1: on the side of caution is definitely the way to go. UM.

854
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:00,960
Speaker 1: But back to something with men a couple of minutes ago.

855
00:42:01,800 --> 00:42:04,200
Speaker 1: When it comes to this weather, these conditions that help

856
00:42:04,239 --> 00:42:06,720
Speaker 1: you know when to go in and strike, Like you mentioned,

857
00:42:06,840 --> 00:42:08,640
Speaker 1: I love that drone strike analogy. By the way I

858
00:42:08,800 --> 00:42:14,279
Speaker 1: borrowed that. I really like that one. Um, how much

859
00:42:14,360 --> 00:42:17,080
Speaker 1: how much of a temperature drop or how much snow

860
00:42:17,160 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: on the ground do you believe you need to trigger

861
00:42:20,200 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: a significant feeding event? All right, So here here's what

862
00:42:24,440 --> 00:42:26,959
Speaker 1: I've kind of And every year, this time of years,

863
00:42:27,000 --> 00:42:29,120
Speaker 1: we're getting our first snow in this part of the world.

864
00:42:29,200 --> 00:42:31,200
Speaker 1: So we get the first snow covering, and I'll get

865
00:42:31,400 --> 00:42:34,359
Speaker 1: a million texts from my clients that are out to oh, yeah,

866
00:42:34,360 --> 00:42:36,080
Speaker 1: it's gonna be a great morning this morning. They all

867
00:42:36,120 --> 00:42:37,879
Speaker 1: get back at eleven o'clock and say we didn't see

868
00:42:38,000 --> 00:42:42,200
Speaker 1: hear the first snows of the year. Generally outside of

869
00:42:42,239 --> 00:42:45,440
Speaker 1: the right, I'm finding dear to be incredibly paranoid and

870
00:42:45,600 --> 00:42:48,960
Speaker 1: not moving at all. Uh And you know, we've got

871
00:42:49,040 --> 00:42:51,120
Speaker 1: to take it from their perspective. They've been probably being

872
00:42:51,160 --> 00:42:53,080
Speaker 1: ground down a little bit with hunting season. Now they're

873
00:42:53,080 --> 00:42:56,319
Speaker 1: incredibly exposed. So I'm not seeing a lot of good

874
00:42:56,360 --> 00:42:59,160
Speaker 1: movement the first snow. Give it about thirty six hours

875
00:42:59,239 --> 00:43:01,799
Speaker 1: worth the snow cut evering, and you know, it's all

876
00:43:01,840 --> 00:43:03,920
Speaker 1: systems normal, and they're right back doing what they do.

877
00:43:04,560 --> 00:43:06,359
Speaker 1: So I'm not a big fan of the first day

878
00:43:06,400 --> 00:43:08,520
Speaker 1: of the snow, but a day and a half after

879
00:43:08,640 --> 00:43:10,840
Speaker 1: that first snow, I'm really starting to look at it.

880
00:43:11,640 --> 00:43:14,000
Speaker 1: Temperature wise, we're just look at the normal temperatures. That

881
00:43:14,040 --> 00:43:18,120
Speaker 1: ain't you boiled down to if it's normal temperatures or below.

882
00:43:18,440 --> 00:43:21,440
Speaker 1: And I like to get ten fifteen decreased below normal

883
00:43:22,000 --> 00:43:24,359
Speaker 1: with some wind, I mean some raw stuff where it's

884
00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:26,799
Speaker 1: you're gonna beat you up in the tree. Those are

885
00:43:26,800 --> 00:43:29,600
Speaker 1: the kind of temperatures we're getting good deer to show

886
00:43:29,760 --> 00:43:34,719
Speaker 1: up and and it's not oftentimes it's not just a

887
00:43:34,800 --> 00:43:37,040
Speaker 1: quick little front blows through and you can certainly play

888
00:43:37,080 --> 00:43:39,520
Speaker 1: the game on hunting front to deer feeding during the front,

889
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: post front after the front, that kind of thing. But

890
00:43:41,680 --> 00:43:43,880
Speaker 1: what we're talking about here is the weather conditions that

891
00:43:44,000 --> 00:43:46,200
Speaker 1: kind of force them to feed during daylight hours and

892
00:43:46,239 --> 00:43:49,239
Speaker 1: they're in a scenario where it's cold and the deer

893
00:43:49,320 --> 00:43:51,880
Speaker 1: burning too much energy defeat at night when the nighttime

894
00:43:51,920 --> 00:43:54,600
Speaker 1: temperatures are plumbing and yet lots of wind and snow.

895
00:43:55,120 --> 00:43:56,919
Speaker 1: Keep the line, you know, when the deer is laying

896
00:43:56,960 --> 00:43:59,480
Speaker 1: down and it closes events and its body, the events

897
00:43:59,560 --> 00:44:02,840
Speaker 1: being it's kind of it's growing area and its armpits,

898
00:44:02,920 --> 00:44:05,120
Speaker 1: and those are the areas where it loses the vast

899
00:44:05,160 --> 00:44:08,040
Speaker 1: majority of the heat. It can lay down for two

900
00:44:08,160 --> 00:44:09,960
Speaker 1: or three days or you know, a couple of days

901
00:44:10,000 --> 00:44:12,400
Speaker 1: and burn less calories, and it can walking up to

902
00:44:12,440 --> 00:44:16,319
Speaker 1: the cornfield to try to consume food. So, uh, they

903
00:44:16,400 --> 00:44:18,640
Speaker 1: will go for that day or two laid down if

904
00:44:18,680 --> 00:44:20,879
Speaker 1: they have to, but at some point they really start

905
00:44:20,960 --> 00:44:23,439
Speaker 1: to gend up to go to food if that weather

906
00:44:23,600 --> 00:44:28,040
Speaker 1: is again five ten degrees below normal and whatever your

907
00:44:28,080 --> 00:44:29,880
Speaker 1: normal might be. I've got clients and say, you know,

908
00:44:29,960 --> 00:44:31,879
Speaker 1: forty five degrees is normal for them. So when it's

909
00:44:31,880 --> 00:44:34,320
Speaker 1: thirty five degrees. You know, we're in that perfect storm

910
00:44:34,800 --> 00:44:36,960
Speaker 1: my part of the world. This time of year, I'm

911
00:44:37,040 --> 00:44:41,719
Speaker 1: typically looking at temperatures, you know, below twenty degrees, preferably

912
00:44:41,800 --> 00:44:44,440
Speaker 1: in the load of mid teens at ninth and and

913
00:44:44,640 --> 00:44:47,080
Speaker 1: just kind of following nasty in that type of scenario

914
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,319
Speaker 1: is going to trigger dear and bring him in. They

915
00:44:49,520 --> 00:44:51,880
Speaker 1: give you a quick little story from last year. So

916
00:44:52,040 --> 00:44:54,600
Speaker 1: last year we had that bumper crop of eight corns

917
00:44:54,640 --> 00:44:57,080
Speaker 1: that everybody talks about there like marbles on the forest

918
00:44:57,120 --> 00:45:00,719
Speaker 1: floor and in I couldn't buy a year to come

919
00:45:00,760 --> 00:45:03,320
Speaker 1: to the corn fields or any of the brassica plots

920
00:45:03,360 --> 00:45:05,920
Speaker 1: and eat guys getting some camera photos, but camera photos

921
00:45:05,960 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: about what they usually are. We're having, you know, deer

922
00:45:10,080 --> 00:45:12,759
Speaker 1: census meetings the camp going hey, geezt weave and you

923
00:45:12,800 --> 00:45:14,920
Speaker 1: want to shoot those. This year, we're not seeing anything

924
00:45:15,000 --> 00:45:17,239
Speaker 1: where of all the deer gone, So you know, the

925
00:45:17,280 --> 00:45:20,040
Speaker 1: neighbors are all on panic. We're kind of trying not

926
00:45:20,200 --> 00:45:21,920
Speaker 1: to be seasoned and say, you know, it's it's just

927
00:45:22,040 --> 00:45:23,680
Speaker 1: a blip with acorns, but in the back of our

928
00:45:23,719 --> 00:45:25,759
Speaker 1: mind going where of all the deer gone? And it's

929
00:45:26,440 --> 00:45:29,080
Speaker 1: a terrible both season eat tag you know, there's no

930
00:45:29,200 --> 00:45:32,120
Speaker 1: chance to shoot painting deferent piece, and even the luck

931
00:45:32,160 --> 00:45:34,320
Speaker 1: of the ride, it doesn't happen. Roll around to this

932
00:45:34,480 --> 00:45:37,239
Speaker 1: late season window. We're in the December of last year,

933
00:45:38,080 --> 00:45:41,800
Speaker 1: the muzzleloader season kicks in. That's that's mid December, and

934
00:45:42,200 --> 00:45:45,160
Speaker 1: finally the temperatures dropped and we picked up twelve inches

935
00:45:45,200 --> 00:45:48,160
Speaker 1: of snow. I waited a day and a half, actually

936
00:45:48,360 --> 00:45:50,960
Speaker 1: canceled a couple of road trips, got back home, and

937
00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:54,640
Speaker 1: within three days of that snow being on the ground,

938
00:45:54,719 --> 00:45:57,800
Speaker 1: the property went from having five or six beers showing

939
00:45:57,920 --> 00:46:00,040
Speaker 1: up on the standing corn field that granted pressure have

940
00:46:00,160 --> 00:46:02,879
Speaker 1: been low, to now there's eight or nine bucks showing

941
00:46:03,000 --> 00:46:05,640
Speaker 1: up with fifteen to twenty does in. The field was

942
00:46:05,719 --> 00:46:08,160
Speaker 1: full and there's age there. You know. I was able

943
00:46:08,160 --> 00:46:10,840
Speaker 1: to tag a great buck that that late season window,

944
00:46:10,880 --> 00:46:12,560
Speaker 1: and the next night went back and tagged the bear.

945
00:46:12,719 --> 00:46:16,520
Speaker 1: And then then the temperatures changed and the snow melted,

946
00:46:16,560 --> 00:46:18,120
Speaker 1: and they went right back to four or five six

947
00:46:18,200 --> 00:46:20,600
Speaker 1: year in the boot blatches primarily fonds, and it was

948
00:46:20,680 --> 00:46:22,120
Speaker 1: just a social thing. They went to the field to

949
00:46:22,200 --> 00:46:24,160
Speaker 1: kind of hang out, dancer out a little bit, but

950
00:46:24,239 --> 00:46:27,440
Speaker 1: they weren't going for the work of feeding. And it

951
00:46:27,640 --> 00:46:30,879
Speaker 1: was in that case, it took that eight ten inches

952
00:46:30,920 --> 00:46:34,120
Speaker 1: of snow that little weather event, and it was literally

953
00:46:34,160 --> 00:46:36,120
Speaker 1: a three or four day weather event, and then assume

954
00:46:36,160 --> 00:46:38,520
Speaker 1: as it melted it was over. And I watched of

955
00:46:38,600 --> 00:46:42,439
Speaker 1: course the cameras postseason and for that matter, that entire year,

956
00:46:42,560 --> 00:46:45,040
Speaker 1: because they were so full of fat from the acorn

957
00:46:45,120 --> 00:46:48,960
Speaker 1: prop that we had. It took significant snows in February

958
00:46:49,040 --> 00:46:51,080
Speaker 1: to put him in the corn. Uh and you know,

959
00:46:51,120 --> 00:46:54,160
Speaker 1: a mild weathers that we had even January February, no

960
00:46:54,239 --> 00:46:55,839
Speaker 1: one's been in the woods for a month and a half.

961
00:46:55,920 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: The deer still weren't hitting those feels the way that

962
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:01,239
Speaker 1: I would have expected them too. They were just you know,

963
00:47:01,320 --> 00:47:04,200
Speaker 1: obviously in really good body condition. And that goes back,

964
00:47:04,239 --> 00:47:07,000
Speaker 1: you know when we were talking about body condition before. Uh,

965
00:47:08,480 --> 00:47:11,719
Speaker 1: my clients on a whole. When we see a deer

966
00:47:11,840 --> 00:47:14,880
Speaker 1: that's got a significant limp or you know, it's got

967
00:47:15,000 --> 00:47:17,400
Speaker 1: some kind of issue going on right now from fighting

968
00:47:17,520 --> 00:47:22,480
Speaker 1: or other things, we're batting, probably about to carvest that

969
00:47:22,719 --> 00:47:26,680
Speaker 1: deer on an energy packed food source like the carbohydrate

970
00:47:26,760 --> 00:47:29,799
Speaker 1: like corn or dry soybeans, things like that. We're back

971
00:47:29,800 --> 00:47:33,319
Speaker 1: and probably to harvest that deer in the next couple

972
00:47:33,360 --> 00:47:36,320
Speaker 1: of weeks and and they're when they're kind of getting

973
00:47:36,360 --> 00:47:38,560
Speaker 1: beat up and they're trying to repair their body. We

974
00:47:38,719 --> 00:47:43,279
Speaker 1: do extremely well harvesting those deer, you know when when

975
00:47:43,320 --> 00:47:46,359
Speaker 1: they get to that point, Uh, it's it's uh. I've

976
00:47:46,400 --> 00:47:47,880
Speaker 1: had two or three of them that showed up just

977
00:47:48,040 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 1: in the in the last couple of days with customers

978
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:52,200
Speaker 1: that you know, Buck we've been chasing for two or

979
00:47:52,239 --> 00:47:54,120
Speaker 1: three years and had finally we got him and oh,

980
00:47:54,200 --> 00:47:56,760
Speaker 1: by the way, you know, somebody poking at Earners rerent

981
00:47:57,239 --> 00:47:59,160
Speaker 1: and uh, and he was a little bit beat up

982
00:47:59,200 --> 00:48:04,160
Speaker 1: and finally he's it up during daylight hours. Mhmm. Kind

983
00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:06,880
Speaker 1: of on this on this similar topic a little bit.

984
00:48:07,040 --> 00:48:10,239
Speaker 1: You know, we're talking about weather and snow and things

985
00:48:10,280 --> 00:48:12,440
Speaker 1: like that, how that might push these late season this

986
00:48:12,600 --> 00:48:15,440
Speaker 1: late season action up. Do you give any credence to

987
00:48:15,920 --> 00:48:20,960
Speaker 1: tracking things like barometric pressure or the moon setting, rising phases,

988
00:48:20,960 --> 00:48:23,359
Speaker 1: anything that does that have any effect in your mind

989
00:48:23,880 --> 00:48:25,839
Speaker 1: on when would be a good time to hunt at

990
00:48:25,880 --> 00:48:29,520
Speaker 1: this time of year. I'm watching it and watching it

991
00:48:29,640 --> 00:48:33,440
Speaker 1: pretty close, so I'm trying really hard to marry that

992
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:36,400
Speaker 1: type of lunar stuff that's out there, and that's we

993
00:48:36,560 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: call that observational science versus the hard science that's being

994
00:48:40,080 --> 00:48:43,279
Speaker 1: done safety in the Quality of Dear Management Association, where

995
00:48:43,280 --> 00:48:45,920
Speaker 1: they have GPS colors on deer and they have you know,

996
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:49,239
Speaker 1: scientists that in a lot of cases aren't hunters, you know,

997
00:48:49,680 --> 00:48:52,719
Speaker 1: watching deer doing their thing and translating that data. So

998
00:48:53,440 --> 00:48:56,360
Speaker 1: you have two different schools of thought, the observational science

999
00:48:56,400 --> 00:48:59,920
Speaker 1: of the moon rising and following and barometric pressures and

1000
00:49:00,000 --> 00:49:02,440
Speaker 1: all that. There. There's a lot of good deer getting

1001
00:49:02,520 --> 00:49:04,400
Speaker 1: killed that way. But if you were to look at

1002
00:49:04,440 --> 00:49:06,640
Speaker 1: the cheap lot of the cheaps day of this out there,

1003
00:49:07,200 --> 00:49:11,160
Speaker 1: and you really trying to objectively evaluate, there's not a

1004
00:49:11,239 --> 00:49:13,879
Speaker 1: whole lot of scenarios there that are affecting too much.

1005
00:49:14,000 --> 00:49:17,520
Speaker 1: The wight deer move. Um, so catching up with the

1006
00:49:17,560 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: moons in the sky and that kind of thing and

1007
00:49:19,000 --> 00:49:22,759
Speaker 1: the feeding, I'm conscious of it in but I'm not

1008
00:49:23,000 --> 00:49:27,120
Speaker 1: basing my soul hunting strategy around it. I'm really more

1009
00:49:27,280 --> 00:49:28,960
Speaker 1: towards kind of the more of than now of the

1010
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:30,920
Speaker 1: weather and things. Not probably not that much of a

1011
00:49:30,960 --> 00:49:34,040
Speaker 1: moon guy. Okay, Okay, Yeah, It's been one of those

1012
00:49:34,080 --> 00:49:35,920
Speaker 1: things this year that both Dan and I have been

1013
00:49:36,360 --> 00:49:38,560
Speaker 1: trying to learn more about and asking all the various

1014
00:49:38,560 --> 00:49:40,560
Speaker 1: people we talked to about and it's interesting. I think

1015
00:49:40,600 --> 00:49:44,080
Speaker 1: we're hearing more and more. UM. I think that's probably

1016
00:49:44,080 --> 00:49:47,120
Speaker 1: the most common way that people look at it is

1017
00:49:47,560 --> 00:49:49,799
Speaker 1: weather seems to be you know, first and four once

1018
00:49:49,960 --> 00:49:52,880
Speaker 1: was really going to make things happen, But things like

1019
00:49:52,960 --> 00:49:56,040
Speaker 1: the moon pressure, there might be some ancillary effects that

1020
00:49:56,080 --> 00:49:58,719
Speaker 1: are interesting to pay attention to and see what might happen. So,

1021
00:50:00,760 --> 00:50:03,080
Speaker 1: you know, the neat part about that is we're we

1022
00:50:03,239 --> 00:50:05,360
Speaker 1: call you know, we're the modern hunter now when we

1023
00:50:05,480 --> 00:50:08,560
Speaker 1: have technology and information available to us that that no

1024
00:50:08,680 --> 00:50:12,800
Speaker 1: other generation hunters have have. UH, in the next five years,

1025
00:50:13,160 --> 00:50:15,400
Speaker 1: that the question that you've had is probably going to

1026
00:50:15,480 --> 00:50:18,239
Speaker 1: be answered pretty darn well with science. So we're on

1027
00:50:18,320 --> 00:50:20,400
Speaker 1: the cost of understanding a lot of those things and

1028
00:50:20,480 --> 00:50:22,880
Speaker 1: what they mean to hear and and UH. It's a

1029
00:50:22,920 --> 00:50:24,960
Speaker 1: pretty fun time to try to observe and learn and

1030
00:50:25,120 --> 00:50:27,759
Speaker 1: in some cases change your opinion. There's some stuff that

1031
00:50:27,840 --> 00:50:30,359
Speaker 1: I was convinced of, and I'm kind of dialed into

1032
00:50:30,400 --> 00:50:32,279
Speaker 1: this stuff I was convinced of five or six years

1033
00:50:32,320 --> 00:50:34,000
Speaker 1: ago that it's been turned in his head in the

1034
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:36,399
Speaker 1: last couple of years ago on howe you know, Um,

1035
00:50:36,520 --> 00:50:40,080
Speaker 1: I guess uh, I guess that that science really disproved

1036
00:50:40,120 --> 00:50:42,520
Speaker 1: that that was kind of observational, live style type things.

1037
00:50:43,080 --> 00:50:45,279
Speaker 1: So some of that stuff is really changing, you know,

1038
00:50:45,360 --> 00:50:48,480
Speaker 1: almost on a on a yearly basis. There are some

1039
00:50:48,640 --> 00:50:51,359
Speaker 1: fascinating studies, like you mentioned, we had We had Matt

1040
00:50:51,480 --> 00:50:53,080
Speaker 1: Ross from the QT May on the show a few

1041
00:50:53,120 --> 00:50:55,960
Speaker 1: weeks ago and he shared some recent studies that were

1042
00:50:56,440 --> 00:50:58,640
Speaker 1: similar to what you said, kind of upturned some of

1043
00:50:58,680 --> 00:51:01,320
Speaker 1: our assumptions about dear behavior and things like that. And

1044
00:51:01,440 --> 00:51:04,279
Speaker 1: it's interesting, like you said, to see what some of

1045
00:51:04,400 --> 00:51:07,719
Speaker 1: this hard data can show. UM. But also like also

1046
00:51:07,840 --> 00:51:10,560
Speaker 1: like you mentioned, UM, lots of times these are these

1047
00:51:10,560 --> 00:51:13,560
Speaker 1: studies are conducted maybe by non hunters, and maybe there's

1048
00:51:13,560 --> 00:51:16,359
Speaker 1: a little bit of you know, different interpretations you can

1049
00:51:16,400 --> 00:51:19,279
Speaker 1: take on some of this, but if nothing else, is fascinating, UM.

1050
00:51:19,320 --> 00:51:22,040
Speaker 1: And it's another interesting piece of data putting the hopper

1051
00:51:22,160 --> 00:51:26,200
Speaker 1: as you try to start making these decisions. UM. So

1052
00:51:26,440 --> 00:51:29,279
Speaker 1: we've talked about this drone strike idea, which is, you know,

1053
00:51:29,400 --> 00:51:31,279
Speaker 1: something that I like to think about the entire year,

1054
00:51:31,360 --> 00:51:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, especially October and December. Is that time frame

1055
00:51:35,160 --> 00:51:39,000
Speaker 1: that you know, making this type of drone strike. Part

1056
00:51:39,120 --> 00:51:41,600
Speaker 1: one is knowing the right timing. Part two is knowing

1057
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,480
Speaker 1: where to be. And a big part of knowing where

1058
00:51:44,480 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: to be during the late season, as we've talked about,

1059
00:51:46,760 --> 00:51:49,359
Speaker 1: is food. What do you think or what in your

1060
00:51:49,400 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: opinion are the best food sources to be keying in

1061
00:51:52,200 --> 00:51:54,640
Speaker 1: on at this time of year, both if you can

1062
00:51:55,160 --> 00:51:58,120
Speaker 1: control food on your property with food plots or crops

1063
00:51:58,200 --> 00:52:00,840
Speaker 1: or something like that, and then on alternative, if you

1064
00:52:01,000 --> 00:52:03,520
Speaker 1: don't have the ability to have that kind of man

1065
00:52:03,600 --> 00:52:06,520
Speaker 1: made food source, what kind of natural food sources should

1066
00:52:06,560 --> 00:52:08,719
Speaker 1: we be king in on. If there isn't anything food

1067
00:52:08,760 --> 00:52:11,840
Speaker 1: plot or egg field related, let's start a natural just

1068
00:52:11,920 --> 00:52:14,040
Speaker 1: so I'm liable to go off crazy on the food

1069
00:52:14,040 --> 00:52:16,360
Speaker 1: plot type things. So if I start with the natural foods,

1070
00:52:17,440 --> 00:52:23,240
Speaker 1: I'm looking for native foods. I'm looking for brushy, overgrown, weedy,

1071
00:52:23,440 --> 00:52:27,160
Speaker 1: grassy fields with shrubs in them and brambles and wire

1072
00:52:27,239 --> 00:52:30,879
Speaker 1: patches in them and things like that. So it's it's

1073
00:52:30,920 --> 00:52:34,480
Speaker 1: so thick, little pockets of brush and and if you're

1074
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:37,560
Speaker 1: evaluate the available food breaker and that stuff in September,

1075
00:52:37,600 --> 00:52:39,600
Speaker 1: you're gonna have you might have two or three thousand

1076
00:52:39,640 --> 00:52:42,799
Speaker 1: pounds of edible breaker in that environment to a white

1077
00:52:42,840 --> 00:52:44,319
Speaker 1: field deer. I mean, it's the same thing as you're

1078
00:52:44,320 --> 00:52:46,279
Speaker 1: gonna get out of over field for going to say,

1079
00:52:46,960 --> 00:52:49,320
Speaker 1: in those blushing environments of the post first process, it

1080
00:52:49,360 --> 00:52:51,160
Speaker 1: starts to windle down a little bit. We get this

1081
00:52:51,280 --> 00:52:54,280
Speaker 1: time of year it's dwindling down again, but it's probably

1082
00:52:54,400 --> 00:52:57,239
Speaker 1: still head and shoulders above what we're going to find

1083
00:52:57,280 --> 00:52:59,520
Speaker 1: in your wood lots unless you're dealing with acorns, you know,

1084
00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,040
Speaker 1: right the probably areay kind of gets the acorns to pay.

1085
00:53:02,080 --> 00:53:04,279
Speaker 1: If we get acorns land the ground go hu um.

1086
00:53:04,480 --> 00:53:06,239
Speaker 1: It's the it's the kind of the magic being of

1087
00:53:06,280 --> 00:53:07,680
Speaker 1: the deer world that they're going to be. You know,

1088
00:53:07,800 --> 00:53:10,640
Speaker 1: keep on working. But those brushy fields that where I'm

1089
00:53:10,680 --> 00:53:12,520
Speaker 1: really a key in, and I get a lot of

1090
00:53:12,600 --> 00:53:15,839
Speaker 1: deer in those grassy open areas this time of year,

1091
00:53:16,560 --> 00:53:18,759
Speaker 1: I've seen a lot of deer in them, and I

1092
00:53:18,880 --> 00:53:21,160
Speaker 1: think they're also going to stop. The guys aren't putting

1093
00:53:21,239 --> 00:53:22,600
Speaker 1: much pressure on it. You don't see a lot of

1094
00:53:22,640 --> 00:53:26,719
Speaker 1: people kind of hunting those overgrown grassy dogwood areas uh

1095
00:53:27,160 --> 00:53:29,320
Speaker 1: too much in you know, camping onm on them. And

1096
00:53:30,040 --> 00:53:32,359
Speaker 1: there's a really neat place that I've had a chance

1097
00:53:32,440 --> 00:53:35,080
Speaker 1: to spend some time hunting back here in my home state.

1098
00:53:35,200 --> 00:53:37,720
Speaker 1: And we've got a couple of great, big power blinds

1099
00:53:38,120 --> 00:53:40,400
Speaker 1: and we can literally watch from two tower blinds like

1100
00:53:40,440 --> 00:53:42,640
Speaker 1: eight dred acres worth of areas. And these are THEUS

1101
00:53:42,800 --> 00:53:44,760
Speaker 1: you know, ten years ago there were planted corn fields

1102
00:53:44,800 --> 00:53:47,080
Speaker 1: have been allowed to go fellow, and it was a

1103
00:53:47,200 --> 00:53:49,399
Speaker 1: real big eye opener to watch the lont of deer

1104
00:53:49,440 --> 00:53:52,200
Speaker 1: that used these fields even up into the December period

1105
00:53:52,960 --> 00:53:55,360
Speaker 1: or betting they got out of the woods. Who got

1106
00:53:55,440 --> 00:53:57,680
Speaker 1: the heck away from any potential hunting pressure was there.

1107
00:53:57,719 --> 00:54:00,200
Speaker 1: They got marriage where they're very visible. They can kind

1108
00:54:00,200 --> 00:54:03,680
Speaker 1: of detect danger coming from a long distance with the eyes,

1109
00:54:03,760 --> 00:54:05,560
Speaker 1: and they got the whole nose thing going. They got

1110
00:54:05,560 --> 00:54:07,960
Speaker 1: a lot of escape patterns. But we could watch and

1111
00:54:08,080 --> 00:54:10,240
Speaker 1: you might be, you know, watching a hundred acre section

1112
00:54:10,280 --> 00:54:13,640
Speaker 1: of this this grass and brush, and then at three

1113
00:54:13,760 --> 00:54:15,440
Speaker 1: thirty you haven't seen a deer all day. You know,

1114
00:54:15,600 --> 00:54:17,360
Speaker 1: seven bucks stand up at three third and you know

1115
00:54:17,480 --> 00:54:19,120
Speaker 1: where in the world that they come from, and they're

1116
00:54:19,160 --> 00:54:21,040
Speaker 1: just kind of throwed in that grass. They stand up,

1117
00:54:21,080 --> 00:54:23,400
Speaker 1: eats some forwards and dig down and through there and

1118
00:54:23,440 --> 00:54:26,400
Speaker 1: get some good stuff. And in this in a particular scenario,

1119
00:54:26,480 --> 00:54:30,200
Speaker 1: there's some food plots involved, so eventually they would typically

1120
00:54:30,280 --> 00:54:33,080
Speaker 1: drift to the food plots and having watched a deer

1121
00:54:33,120 --> 00:54:35,880
Speaker 1: in that natural environment and then the food plot environment

1122
00:54:35,960 --> 00:54:38,600
Speaker 1: all kind of from you might be watching here from

1123
00:54:38,640 --> 00:54:41,319
Speaker 1: three cours a mile away. Um, they're hitting the food

1124
00:54:41,320 --> 00:54:45,399
Speaker 1: plots maybe maybe thirty percent of the nights that they're

1125
00:54:45,480 --> 00:54:48,640
Speaker 1: up on their feet before they got to the plot. Um.

1126
00:54:48,960 --> 00:54:51,279
Speaker 1: In some cases there are only two yards in the plot. See,

1127
00:54:51,280 --> 00:54:52,880
Speaker 1: you have no chance of getting in between them and

1128
00:54:52,920 --> 00:54:55,640
Speaker 1: the plot. But but it's really interesting to see. So

1129
00:54:55,680 --> 00:54:58,320
Speaker 1: I look for the natural vegetation. That way, if we

1130
00:54:58,360 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: get out of the natural vegetation, go acting the eggs

1131
00:55:00,880 --> 00:55:04,000
Speaker 1: side of things. Why it's a little bit warmer um

1132
00:55:04,640 --> 00:55:07,240
Speaker 1: than than kind of that cold you know, pedigrees below

1133
00:55:07,280 --> 00:55:09,200
Speaker 1: normal that we're looking for a little bit warmer like

1134
00:55:09,320 --> 00:55:12,800
Speaker 1: we're having now. I have lots of reports coming in

1135
00:55:12,920 --> 00:55:16,879
Speaker 1: of guys doing extremely well on like a winter week

1136
00:55:17,000 --> 00:55:21,000
Speaker 1: right now, clover. So they're on greens, they're still consuming proteins,

1137
00:55:21,520 --> 00:55:24,799
Speaker 1: and they're they're working protein pretty well. Of course, grassicas

1138
00:55:25,360 --> 00:55:27,839
Speaker 1: like forge rapes and stuff like that are are still

1139
00:55:27,920 --> 00:55:30,719
Speaker 1: doing extremely well. Uh So those are kind of the

1140
00:55:30,800 --> 00:55:33,120
Speaker 1: key food sources that we're seeing deer on, and it

1141
00:55:33,200 --> 00:55:35,000
Speaker 1: kind of goofs up a lot of people's hunting strategy

1142
00:55:35,000 --> 00:55:37,400
Speaker 1: because he usually not centering that late season stuff in

1143
00:55:37,480 --> 00:55:39,920
Speaker 1: and around the clover field that they're doing really well

1144
00:55:40,080 --> 00:55:43,600
Speaker 1: right now. Um, all thats are off the temperatures truck,

1145
00:55:43,960 --> 00:55:46,600
Speaker 1: especially with frozen ground. I'm not seeing a lot of

1146
00:55:46,760 --> 00:55:49,520
Speaker 1: beer using frozen clover field. So usually if it gets

1147
00:55:49,560 --> 00:55:51,920
Speaker 1: down and we get you know, good below freezing temperatures

1148
00:55:51,960 --> 00:55:54,120
Speaker 1: were there too, they tend to get off of that

1149
00:55:54,239 --> 00:55:56,480
Speaker 1: frozen venetation gets something a little bit easier to consume.

1150
00:55:57,760 --> 00:56:00,680
Speaker 1: The next favored thing was go back to a little

1151
00:56:00,680 --> 00:56:04,400
Speaker 1: bit more of a normal year dried soybeans. Dried soybeans,

1152
00:56:05,000 --> 00:56:08,000
Speaker 1: I think there is about head and shoulders of upstanding corn.

1153
00:56:08,719 --> 00:56:11,840
Speaker 1: I see they have soybean fields typically all things being equal,

1154
00:56:11,920 --> 00:56:14,960
Speaker 1: getting consumed before year will go to corn. Uh and

1155
00:56:15,040 --> 00:56:18,680
Speaker 1: they're they're they're usually hitting them that late November December

1156
00:56:18,800 --> 00:56:20,960
Speaker 1: period and for that metaphere, as long as those beans

1157
00:56:21,000 --> 00:56:24,440
Speaker 1: are available and as the weather really starts to sock in,

1158
00:56:24,920 --> 00:56:27,200
Speaker 1: then they transition to corn. So the corn is kind

1159
00:56:27,239 --> 00:56:30,480
Speaker 1: of the third level of food that they would be

1160
00:56:30,600 --> 00:56:33,080
Speaker 1: going to in about the same time they're hitting corn.

1161
00:56:34,280 --> 00:56:36,560
Speaker 1: You know, your turnips are starting to kick in turn

1162
00:56:36,640 --> 00:56:39,040
Speaker 1: up by nature. I don't think it's very attractive to deer.

1163
00:56:39,160 --> 00:56:42,279
Speaker 1: I think, uh, you know, all this whole starts to

1164
00:56:42,400 --> 00:56:45,600
Speaker 1: sugar things happening. They are getting sweet, and I think

1165
00:56:45,640 --> 00:56:48,120
Speaker 1: bottom line is everything else is getting consumed and you know,

1166
00:56:48,200 --> 00:56:50,680
Speaker 1: getting cross to delay and all of a sudden they're

1167
00:56:50,719 --> 00:56:52,680
Speaker 1: looking pretty good because everything else is ground and wealthy

1168
00:56:52,760 --> 00:56:54,880
Speaker 1: and dead, and now it's time to eat turnips. But

1169
00:56:55,040 --> 00:56:57,479
Speaker 1: that can also be a really good late seasoned food.

1170
00:56:57,520 --> 00:56:59,319
Speaker 1: So we look at those to come into their own

1171
00:56:59,640 --> 00:57:02,399
Speaker 1: in early shake here and in good shape. You're pretty

1172
00:57:02,440 --> 00:57:05,800
Speaker 1: quick guys in Ohio and Iowa. Where you're gonna be,

1173
00:57:06,440 --> 00:57:08,280
Speaker 1: I'll find I'm having a heck of a time getting

1174
00:57:08,360 --> 00:57:10,640
Speaker 1: to the turn ups in a warm year like this, Uh,

1175
00:57:11,000 --> 00:57:13,080
Speaker 1: just because of your densities are high enough in an

1176
00:57:13,160 --> 00:57:15,120
Speaker 1: uncut pressure for the food. If they're in a high

1177
00:57:15,160 --> 00:57:18,280
Speaker 1: deer density area and they're really looking seeking food, and

1178
00:57:18,280 --> 00:57:19,920
Speaker 1: then you know what, you can do really well on

1179
00:57:19,960 --> 00:57:21,800
Speaker 1: the turnip patch in the next couple of days. But

1180
00:57:23,000 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: I'm really thinking the warm weather it is overs may

1181
00:57:26,360 --> 00:57:29,680
Speaker 1: not be a bad bet right now, All right, now,

1182
00:57:29,760 --> 00:57:32,120
Speaker 1: I know you're enjoying what Neil has been sharing so far,

1183
00:57:32,280 --> 00:57:34,720
Speaker 1: but we do need to pause briefly for word from

1184
00:57:34,760 --> 00:57:39,160
Speaker 1: our sponsors of this podcast episode. Osonics and ozons units

1185
00:57:39,200 --> 00:57:41,760
Speaker 1: are one product that we get a ton of questions

1186
00:57:41,760 --> 00:57:43,760
Speaker 1: about is a lot of people are curious how this

1187
00:57:43,920 --> 00:57:46,920
Speaker 1: little machine hung in a tree can actually control your

1188
00:57:47,000 --> 00:57:50,520
Speaker 1: human odor. So today we've got the founder of ozonics,

1189
00:57:50,600 --> 00:57:54,360
Speaker 1: Dr Scott L. Rod, to explain exactly how an ozonics

1190
00:57:54,440 --> 00:58:00,120
Speaker 1: machine works. Here's Scott Sure. I mean the reason mean

1191
00:58:00,200 --> 00:58:03,000
Speaker 1: why the device, the HR two is not the sea

1192
00:58:03,120 --> 00:58:06,760
Speaker 1: that the secret is the oxidation process that's created biosonics.

1193
00:58:07,360 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: We basically take regular air, suck it up into the

1194
00:58:11,400 --> 00:58:14,200
Speaker 1: gunit through the fan. It is then passed through a

1195
00:58:14,360 --> 00:58:17,400
Speaker 1: coil system which then turns kind of a bright new

1196
00:58:17,520 --> 00:58:21,360
Speaker 1: or purple, and that's really the color of ozone, and

1197
00:58:21,800 --> 00:58:24,560
Speaker 1: it then propels it in the air. And so really

1198
00:58:24,720 --> 00:58:28,520
Speaker 1: millions and millions of molecules are put into the air

1199
00:58:28,640 --> 00:58:32,440
Speaker 1: stream and so whoever in odor or bacteria is in

1200
00:58:32,560 --> 00:58:36,560
Speaker 1: the air, those molecules cluster all over the surface of

1201
00:58:36,640 --> 00:58:39,680
Speaker 1: it and blake the bombs down around whatever is in

1202
00:58:39,720 --> 00:58:43,640
Speaker 1: the air, and once it's broken down, it basically changes

1203
00:58:43,680 --> 00:58:47,800
Speaker 1: the molecular code, and the molecular code then becomes neutralized

1204
00:58:47,840 --> 00:58:50,400
Speaker 1: and the warm alsus that touched up the markets spoken down.

1205
00:58:50,560 --> 00:58:54,240
Speaker 1: But the fact is is what whatever is in the air, Okay,

1206
00:58:54,440 --> 00:58:56,480
Speaker 1: you know, I uses the example of the skunk. You know,

1207
00:58:56,560 --> 00:58:58,760
Speaker 1: you've been somewhere and you snot the skunk that you

1208
00:58:58,760 --> 00:59:01,720
Speaker 1: couldn't see a skink, so you knew where skunk is there,

1209
00:59:02,880 --> 00:59:07,800
Speaker 1: but you're the same wing, and so they recognize human odor. Well,

1210
00:59:08,040 --> 00:59:10,560
Speaker 1: when old loan is put out there in the small

1211
00:59:10,680 --> 00:59:14,120
Speaker 1: skunk and then replace the ozonos mute out there, whatever's

1212
00:59:14,160 --> 00:59:16,720
Speaker 1: in the airror that old factory clue to be called

1213
00:59:16,760 --> 00:59:19,760
Speaker 1: that is errant. That old factor code of the skunk

1214
00:59:20,600 --> 00:59:25,120
Speaker 1: is attached to by an ozone molecule, an o tree maltul.

1215
00:59:25,400 --> 00:59:28,280
Speaker 1: It breaks the bonds of that molecular code. And so

1216
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,720
Speaker 1: once that happens, once the seeded bite happens in that

1217
00:59:31,840 --> 00:59:35,440
Speaker 1: molecular code, it is no longer a skunking in there.

1218
00:59:35,760 --> 00:59:38,200
Speaker 1: That code is something different. And the same thing happens

1219
00:59:38,280 --> 00:59:41,520
Speaker 1: in the in the field. The human odor that we cast,

1220
00:59:42,000 --> 00:59:45,240
Speaker 1: whatever it may be. And scientists been trying to identify

1221
00:59:45,440 --> 00:59:47,480
Speaker 1: the human old factory code for years and it has

1222
00:59:47,560 --> 00:59:53,360
Speaker 1: never been identified. But ozone attacks that molecular structure and

1223
00:59:53,480 --> 00:59:58,760
Speaker 1: neutralizes it in the process of hunting. So there you go.

1224
00:59:59,320 --> 01:00:02,040
Speaker 1: And if you'd like to learn more about ozonics machines

1225
01:00:02,120 --> 01:00:04,520
Speaker 1: and how exactly they work, you can learn more at

1226
01:00:04,560 --> 01:00:08,640
Speaker 1: osonics hunting dot com. And now let's get back to

1227
01:00:08,720 --> 01:00:15,200
Speaker 1: the show. Interesting Now you laid out several different scenarios.

1228
01:00:15,280 --> 01:00:18,040
Speaker 1: They're based on different conditions in which food source might

1229
01:00:18,080 --> 01:00:19,960
Speaker 1: be the ideal one. What if I'm the kind of

1230
01:00:20,040 --> 01:00:23,120
Speaker 1: guy who I've got a forty acre piece or hundred

1231
01:00:23,160 --> 01:00:25,280
Speaker 1: acres behind my house, whatever it is, and I've got

1232
01:00:25,440 --> 01:00:27,920
Speaker 1: one food plot that I can set aside as a

1233
01:00:28,000 --> 01:00:30,520
Speaker 1: late season food plot. Maybe it's an acre, half an

1234
01:00:30,520 --> 01:00:34,120
Speaker 1: acre acre and half something like that, relatively small food plot,

1235
01:00:34,160 --> 01:00:37,560
Speaker 1: and I can only have one late season spot. What

1236
01:00:37,840 --> 01:00:40,480
Speaker 1: is your choice for that one late season food plot

1237
01:00:40,520 --> 01:00:43,360
Speaker 1: that would give me the greatest breadth of opportunity across

1238
01:00:43,400 --> 01:00:48,200
Speaker 1: the late season. I'm gonna try to always I'm really

1239
01:00:48,240 --> 01:00:49,920
Speaker 1: trying to squeeze as much out of as I can.

1240
01:00:50,000 --> 01:00:52,120
Speaker 1: So I'd like you to explore and wrap your head

1241
01:00:52,160 --> 01:00:55,080
Speaker 1: around the possibility of putting an electric defense around that field,

1242
01:00:55,520 --> 01:00:59,720
Speaker 1: and goopy is that might sound. We're doing small acreage plantings.

1243
01:01:00,440 --> 01:01:02,320
Speaker 1: Spend a little bit of money, put an electric fence

1244
01:01:02,320 --> 01:01:04,200
Speaker 1: around and keep the deer out of it until you

1245
01:01:04,320 --> 01:01:06,480
Speaker 1: want it late in the year. Because keep in mind,

1246
01:01:06,520 --> 01:01:08,960
Speaker 1: if you plan on one acre corn field, there's five

1247
01:01:09,000 --> 01:01:11,200
Speaker 1: thousand pounds of kernel in there that can be blown

1248
01:01:11,280 --> 01:01:13,840
Speaker 1: up and used up in in thirty or forty five

1249
01:01:13,920 --> 01:01:16,080
Speaker 1: days worth of hunting. You know when the deer, when

1250
01:01:16,120 --> 01:01:18,000
Speaker 1: the corn drives down, deer start to use it. And

1251
01:01:18,120 --> 01:01:20,280
Speaker 1: by the time we get the right now December, there's

1252
01:01:20,320 --> 01:01:24,000
Speaker 1: nothing lots, so they're not using it. So really, if

1253
01:01:24,040 --> 01:01:26,760
Speaker 1: you're open to the idea, put an electric fence around

1254
01:01:26,800 --> 01:01:29,440
Speaker 1: the field, and if you're willing to do that. I

1255
01:01:29,600 --> 01:01:32,640
Speaker 1: take an awful hard look at planning soybeans. I'm real

1256
01:01:32,760 --> 01:01:35,800
Speaker 1: high and planning soybeans during the summer. I wish I

1257
01:01:35,840 --> 01:01:37,440
Speaker 1: could put the deer and let them feed on them,

1258
01:01:37,480 --> 01:01:38,920
Speaker 1: but they're going to use them up too much. If

1259
01:01:39,000 --> 01:01:41,120
Speaker 1: that's the case, let the beans get up mature. We

1260
01:01:41,200 --> 01:01:44,240
Speaker 1: get all the bean pods and sometime depending on the

1261
01:01:44,320 --> 01:01:47,560
Speaker 1: type of bean you're planning, in the late August period

1262
01:01:47,560 --> 01:01:49,400
Speaker 1: of time you know, those bean skyters start to dry

1263
01:01:49,480 --> 01:01:52,520
Speaker 1: down and turn you actually can go out there broadcast

1264
01:01:52,680 --> 01:01:55,680
Speaker 1: in a brassica or a turn up right over top

1265
01:01:55,760 --> 01:01:59,120
Speaker 1: of those beans with a hand broadcaster. As the leaves

1266
01:01:59,240 --> 01:02:01,400
Speaker 1: fall off, the beam means and we start to get

1267
01:02:01,520 --> 01:02:04,080
Speaker 1: some you know, some sunlight to the ground. I guess

1268
01:02:04,080 --> 01:02:06,080
Speaker 1: a lot that stuff is gonna germinate come up underneath.

1269
01:02:06,560 --> 01:02:08,640
Speaker 1: In some cases you can get two crops out of

1270
01:02:08,720 --> 01:02:11,320
Speaker 1: one with with limited amount of soil disturbance, and have

1271
01:02:12,000 --> 01:02:14,200
Speaker 1: a three thousand pounds of beans sitting there, plus an

1272
01:02:14,280 --> 01:02:18,160
Speaker 1: understory admittedly small kind of young grassica which you've got

1273
01:02:18,240 --> 01:02:21,400
Speaker 1: some greens underneath their pretty, it's good shape. Then you

1274
01:02:21,440 --> 01:02:24,640
Speaker 1: would drop the fence if you're trying to target. I

1275
01:02:24,720 --> 01:02:27,160
Speaker 1: mean you're talking, you know, two weeks before huding, before

1276
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,120
Speaker 1: you really want to get that late season hunt, kick

1277
01:02:29,160 --> 01:02:31,480
Speaker 1: hands and uh and try to put the deer in there.

1278
01:02:31,560 --> 01:02:33,040
Speaker 1: If you're willing to do that. If you don't want

1279
01:02:33,040 --> 01:02:36,600
Speaker 1: to do the kind of that fence idea, then look

1280
01:02:36,640 --> 01:02:39,920
Speaker 1: at planting something that's gonna be if you're in a

1281
01:02:40,040 --> 01:02:43,240
Speaker 1: relatively hide your number, something that's not attractive to them.

1282
01:02:43,280 --> 01:02:45,520
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go back to like a turniffex. Some of

1283
01:02:45,600 --> 01:02:48,280
Speaker 1: these radishes that are out there probably not that attractive,

1284
01:02:48,360 --> 01:02:51,440
Speaker 1: and the tuber form plant some of it uh in

1285
01:02:51,680 --> 01:02:53,960
Speaker 1: in chances our idea, we're leaving nothing it alone that's

1286
01:02:54,000 --> 01:02:55,520
Speaker 1: going to be there late there in late in the year.

1287
01:02:56,360 --> 01:02:58,800
Speaker 1: Watch a grassicas. You know, we've been planning them for

1288
01:02:58,960 --> 01:03:01,120
Speaker 1: years and property in the first three or four years,

1289
01:03:01,200 --> 01:03:03,280
Speaker 1: dear stay away from until we get that snow pile

1290
01:03:03,400 --> 01:03:05,440
Speaker 1: up their late season, and then all of a sudden

1291
01:03:05,440 --> 01:03:07,640
Speaker 1: they developed a taste for it. Soon it comes out

1292
01:03:07,680 --> 01:03:09,960
Speaker 1: of the ground. So we're seeing that happen in some

1293
01:03:10,040 --> 01:03:13,040
Speaker 1: of the smaller plantings as well. When it comes to things.

1294
01:03:13,120 --> 01:03:15,160
Speaker 1: And I'm real high on corn for late in the year.

1295
01:03:15,160 --> 01:03:17,800
Speaker 1: When it comes to corn, unless we have a super

1296
01:03:17,920 --> 01:03:20,760
Speaker 1: low dear density, unless we can keep the dear out

1297
01:03:20,760 --> 01:03:22,800
Speaker 1: of it somehow. I'm not a big fan of planning.

1298
01:03:22,840 --> 01:03:24,800
Speaker 1: You know, one acre corn fields and things like that,

1299
01:03:24,960 --> 01:03:26,800
Speaker 1: they just get used up too much. I'm kind of

1300
01:03:27,160 --> 01:03:29,880
Speaker 1: typically in my mind thinking of minimum two acres too

1301
01:03:29,880 --> 01:03:31,960
Speaker 1: and a half acres of corn. Go back to your

1302
01:03:31,960 --> 01:03:36,000
Speaker 1: original question, if you had forty or fifty acres, you

1303
01:03:36,240 --> 01:03:39,920
Speaker 1: need to plan for this possible scenario. Maybe some carbohydrates

1304
01:03:39,960 --> 01:03:42,160
Speaker 1: in the form of corn or beans, and then you

1305
01:03:42,200 --> 01:03:44,280
Speaker 1: know what, you need to have a border over around

1306
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:46,240
Speaker 1: the thing just in case it happens to stay warm

1307
01:03:46,320 --> 01:03:48,600
Speaker 1: like it is right now, and and maybe a strict

1308
01:03:48,640 --> 01:03:50,479
Speaker 1: plants of reska and there, and you have a little

1309
01:03:50,520 --> 01:03:52,640
Speaker 1: bit of a little bit of variety, a little bit

1310
01:03:52,680 --> 01:03:55,040
Speaker 1: everything to make sure you cater to whatever the weather

1311
01:03:55,120 --> 01:03:58,400
Speaker 1: is can offer for that here. So when I'm working

1312
01:03:58,440 --> 01:04:01,760
Speaker 1: with clients, they're five or six tools, and that kind

1313
01:04:01,800 --> 01:04:03,680
Speaker 1: of went through the top tool plants that we use.

1314
01:04:03,720 --> 01:04:05,680
Speaker 1: There's five or six tools that we use for late

1315
01:04:05,760 --> 01:04:08,640
Speaker 1: the year, and even if I'm doing a small piece

1316
01:04:08,680 --> 01:04:11,040
Speaker 1: of ground, I make sure that all those tools are

1317
01:04:11,040 --> 01:04:14,400
Speaker 1: available just in case the weather's going you know, cold,

1318
01:04:14,560 --> 01:04:16,080
Speaker 1: or it's going to be warm. So we have a

1319
01:04:16,120 --> 01:04:18,400
Speaker 1: little bit of variability and we're not sunk if the

1320
01:04:18,440 --> 01:04:20,760
Speaker 1: weather turns one way or another, we're not prepared for it.

1321
01:04:22,400 --> 01:04:24,360
Speaker 1: It's something you mentioned there, and I'm kind of you

1322
01:04:24,440 --> 01:04:26,360
Speaker 1: probably kind of already answered what I'm going to ask you,

1323
01:04:26,480 --> 01:04:29,520
Speaker 1: but I just want to rephrase this question. Um. As

1324
01:04:29,560 --> 01:04:31,959
Speaker 1: I've talked to different people when it comes to thinking

1325
01:04:32,040 --> 01:04:33,920
Speaker 1: through food plots and what you plant, there seems to

1326
01:04:33,960 --> 01:04:35,480
Speaker 1: be a couple different schools of thought. I hear some

1327
01:04:35,600 --> 01:04:38,080
Speaker 1: people that like to plant, you know, pure food plot,

1328
01:04:38,280 --> 01:04:41,000
Speaker 1: one thing in a certain area, and they know that

1329
01:04:41,240 --> 01:04:43,680
Speaker 1: that certain food plot because of what's planned there. Let's

1330
01:04:43,680 --> 01:04:46,200
Speaker 1: say it's just a straight clover field. They know that

1331
01:04:46,280 --> 01:04:47,840
Speaker 1: because of they know what it is, and they know

1332
01:04:47,920 --> 01:04:50,040
Speaker 1: when dear prefer to hit it. They know, okay, during

1333
01:04:50,120 --> 01:04:52,000
Speaker 1: this part of the season or during there's these types

1334
01:04:52,000 --> 01:04:55,560
Speaker 1: of conditions, I hunt here, and then they have a different,

1335
01:04:55,600 --> 01:04:57,520
Speaker 1: separate spot that that this is gonna be the late

1336
01:04:57,560 --> 01:05:00,520
Speaker 1: season plot because it's just brassicas. And so this school

1337
01:05:00,600 --> 01:05:03,560
Speaker 1: thought has separate plots of one thing, and they know

1338
01:05:03,760 --> 01:05:06,200
Speaker 1: that hunt here with this condition, hunt here that condition.

1339
01:05:06,560 --> 01:05:08,520
Speaker 1: The second school of thought is more in line with

1340
01:05:08,560 --> 01:05:11,000
Speaker 1: the type of the scenario you just mentioned there, where

1341
01:05:11,040 --> 01:05:13,160
Speaker 1: you put together some type of plot that should be

1342
01:05:13,280 --> 01:05:16,240
Speaker 1: consistently attracting deer throughout the entire season. Maybe it's a

1343
01:05:16,280 --> 01:05:18,840
Speaker 1: mixture of clover and brassa because like you mentioned, or

1344
01:05:19,000 --> 01:05:21,400
Speaker 1: strips of snybeans and winter weed or whatever it is

1345
01:05:21,760 --> 01:05:24,640
Speaker 1: um and then that develops a consistent pattern regardless of

1346
01:05:24,720 --> 01:05:28,040
Speaker 1: the time of the season. Do you have a preference,

1347
01:05:28,080 --> 01:05:29,720
Speaker 1: do you like to always have all of your poo

1348
01:05:29,840 --> 01:05:32,360
Speaker 1: food plots be a combo that keeps them coming all year.

1349
01:05:32,520 --> 01:05:35,280
Speaker 1: Or do you ever do straight plannings where you know

1350
01:05:35,480 --> 01:05:37,840
Speaker 1: that it will be dead during the winter but great

1351
01:05:37,880 --> 01:05:39,959
Speaker 1: in early season. I don't know what are your thoughts

1352
01:05:40,000 --> 01:05:42,520
Speaker 1: on those two things. Yeah, absolutely, I mean that now

1353
01:05:42,560 --> 01:05:44,520
Speaker 1: you're getting into the real science, as we call that

1354
01:05:44,680 --> 01:05:47,680
Speaker 1: gear escaping, you know, laying out the property landscaping for deer.

1355
01:05:48,520 --> 01:05:52,040
Speaker 1: So before we get into the deer escaping conversation, We've

1356
01:05:52,080 --> 01:05:54,080
Speaker 1: talked in the past about this, but I'm a huge

1357
01:05:54,360 --> 01:05:56,480
Speaker 1: kind of wind is the key to doing everything in

1358
01:05:56,520 --> 01:06:00,040
Speaker 1: the property. And and so when I'm first looking in

1359
01:06:00,080 --> 01:06:02,240
Speaker 1: a piece of property I have on the table, maybe

1360
01:06:02,240 --> 01:06:05,560
Speaker 1: we're going to put kind of calm feeding destination areas

1361
01:06:05,600 --> 01:06:07,680
Speaker 1: and we might have the multiple proper system, or I

1362
01:06:07,760 --> 01:06:11,000
Speaker 1: might be doing certain pots, you know, scattered in clovers

1363
01:06:11,080 --> 01:06:13,080
Speaker 1: go here and blasts go here. So I might be

1364
01:06:13,200 --> 01:06:15,880
Speaker 1: using one of those two tools. In What drives me

1365
01:06:16,040 --> 01:06:20,360
Speaker 1: to make that decision is hunter access number one. If

1366
01:06:20,440 --> 01:06:23,000
Speaker 1: I have a couple of spots where the hunters can

1367
01:06:23,080 --> 01:06:26,360
Speaker 1: get to super low pressure and they can you know,

1368
01:06:26,400 --> 01:06:28,280
Speaker 1: the best case in the world, they walk up over

1369
01:06:28,480 --> 01:06:31,680
Speaker 1: a ridge of ravine and they pop up just barely

1370
01:06:31,840 --> 01:06:33,760
Speaker 1: visible and they can see an open field, and they

1371
01:06:33,760 --> 01:06:36,080
Speaker 1: can build an open field. That's there. I said, man,

1372
01:06:36,200 --> 01:06:39,160
Speaker 1: we've got a tremendous situation, especially if it was favorable

1373
01:06:39,200 --> 01:06:41,640
Speaker 1: for west or northwest winds that certifically get late in

1374
01:06:41,680 --> 01:06:44,520
Speaker 1: the year. This is an ideal location for a big

1375
01:06:44,680 --> 01:06:47,800
Speaker 1: destination feeding area. You know, maybe the scent from that

1376
01:06:47,920 --> 01:06:50,400
Speaker 1: tree stand blows out over top of the road, or

1377
01:06:50,440 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: blows across the river, or blows out into an open

1378
01:06:53,040 --> 01:06:55,400
Speaker 1: hay field or something like that. Work here aren't expected

1379
01:06:55,440 --> 01:06:58,200
Speaker 1: to come from. You know, those are perfect scenarios too

1380
01:06:59,040 --> 01:07:02,360
Speaker 1: for everything that can sink at them. Uh. So that's

1381
01:07:02,400 --> 01:07:04,720
Speaker 1: kind of gonna be wind dependent in that case, hunter

1382
01:07:04,800 --> 01:07:07,280
Speaker 1: dependent if they get to and from it. Uh. The

1383
01:07:07,360 --> 01:07:09,720
Speaker 1: other thing, I would go back to the winds if

1384
01:07:09,760 --> 01:07:13,280
Speaker 1: we have areas where the winds are very consistent for

1385
01:07:14,040 --> 01:07:16,360
Speaker 1: three d and sixty degrees worth of hunting. By that,

1386
01:07:16,480 --> 01:07:19,560
Speaker 1: I mean hilltops. So flat land guys are planting more

1387
01:07:19,600 --> 01:07:22,240
Speaker 1: strategic where they put you know, color plot up here

1388
01:07:22,240 --> 01:07:23,960
Speaker 1: in the north end, and we put a brasket plot

1389
01:07:24,040 --> 01:07:25,479
Speaker 1: up here in the west end, and they don't worry

1390
01:07:25,520 --> 01:07:28,040
Speaker 1: so much about this whole swirling wind that I'm talking about.

1391
01:07:28,400 --> 01:07:31,720
Speaker 1: But if you're in hill country like I am, we

1392
01:07:31,960 --> 01:07:35,560
Speaker 1: were really focusing on what the wind's gonna do, if

1393
01:07:35,600 --> 01:07:38,280
Speaker 1: it's gonna be steady and true or be very turbulent

1394
01:07:38,320 --> 01:07:40,600
Speaker 1: on the back side of a hill, based at the

1395
01:07:40,680 --> 01:07:43,720
Speaker 1: time of the year. Uh, and we plant accordingly. So

1396
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,080
Speaker 1: in those environments, I'd say, well, we get a lot

1397
01:07:46,160 --> 01:07:48,560
Speaker 1: of south winds first part of those seasons, so the

1398
01:07:48,680 --> 01:07:50,520
Speaker 1: areas where the winds are gonna be steady and true,

1399
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:53,800
Speaker 1: I plant my clovers in those locations. I might even

1400
01:07:53,840 --> 01:07:56,680
Speaker 1: plant some teas in those locations super attractive early in

1401
01:07:56,680 --> 01:07:57,960
Speaker 1: the year. And then they eat it off the dirt

1402
01:07:58,000 --> 01:08:00,880
Speaker 1: and turns there's nothing left, and and then they focus

1403
01:08:00,960 --> 01:08:02,680
Speaker 1: on another couplet. They go to a different part of

1404
01:08:02,720 --> 01:08:05,920
Speaker 1: the property, and maybe they're transitioning to a part of

1405
01:08:05,960 --> 01:08:08,080
Speaker 1: the property that's no more conduces to hunt during the

1406
01:08:08,160 --> 01:08:11,160
Speaker 1: westerly winds or northwesterly winds. So we can kind of

1407
01:08:11,320 --> 01:08:13,600
Speaker 1: almost by the season and by the wind direction and

1408
01:08:13,680 --> 01:08:17,080
Speaker 1: lead them to the most productive spots to hunt based

1409
01:08:17,120 --> 01:08:20,679
Speaker 1: on wind currents, based on their food preference. So there's

1410
01:08:21,000 --> 01:08:23,160
Speaker 1: there's a real science to trying to figure out what

1411
01:08:23,320 --> 01:08:25,439
Speaker 1: you were just asking about. And every property is going

1412
01:08:25,479 --> 01:08:27,280
Speaker 1: to be a little bit differently, but they're a little

1413
01:08:27,280 --> 01:08:29,320
Speaker 1: bit different. For the variables that I first looked at

1414
01:08:29,360 --> 01:08:30,640
Speaker 1: are going to be can I get the hunter to

1415
01:08:30,720 --> 01:08:33,840
Speaker 1: and from that location? And then to what's the wind

1416
01:08:33,880 --> 01:08:36,640
Speaker 1: scenar area going to be? How consistent is going to be? Uh?

1417
01:08:36,760 --> 01:08:38,640
Speaker 1: If I look back to our research center, right, if

1418
01:08:38,720 --> 01:08:40,519
Speaker 1: I say research center, I mean it's it's where my

1419
01:08:40,680 --> 01:08:42,920
Speaker 1: dad and I hunt and and we've got done a

1420
01:08:42,960 --> 01:08:45,439
Speaker 1: lot of habitat research and books about the place. But

1421
01:08:45,720 --> 01:08:47,439
Speaker 1: the bottom line is, you know, this time of year,

1422
01:08:47,479 --> 01:08:50,280
Speaker 1: it's it's our hunting camp, it's not the research center. Um.

1423
01:08:50,400 --> 01:08:52,519
Speaker 1: There's one spot up on top of the hill where

1424
01:08:52,600 --> 01:08:55,360
Speaker 1: I had pretty good access. I could get to it,

1425
01:08:55,439 --> 01:08:57,400
Speaker 1: I could get away from it. And it was literally,

1426
01:08:57,600 --> 01:08:59,519
Speaker 1: you know, a six year plan for me. I created

1427
01:08:59,600 --> 01:09:02,360
Speaker 1: sinction worry. I created betting cover all in the proper

1428
01:09:02,439 --> 01:09:04,320
Speaker 1: locations to kind of get the deer used to laying

1429
01:09:04,360 --> 01:09:07,439
Speaker 1: in certain areas. And they admit the bullet and actually

1430
01:09:07,760 --> 01:09:10,200
Speaker 1: hired a dose or bottom in and we we cleared

1431
01:09:10,240 --> 01:09:13,120
Speaker 1: five acres. What was localis and you know, piling up

1432
01:09:13,120 --> 01:09:15,320
Speaker 1: white oaks and oaks and everything else, because I had

1433
01:09:15,400 --> 01:09:17,519
Speaker 1: the perfect scenario for a food plot to be on

1434
01:09:17,600 --> 01:09:20,120
Speaker 1: the build up there that no matter what the wind

1435
01:09:20,200 --> 01:09:22,439
Speaker 1: direction was, I could hunt it. I could come at

1436
01:09:22,520 --> 01:09:25,519
Speaker 1: it from the outside edges. And we you know, was

1437
01:09:25,640 --> 01:09:27,560
Speaker 1: take twenty years of doing this kind of stuff and

1438
01:09:27,600 --> 01:09:31,040
Speaker 1: build the perfect mousetrap. And in that case, I have

1439
01:09:31,760 --> 01:09:34,760
Speaker 1: clover planet there right now. I have some winter wheat

1440
01:09:34,840 --> 01:09:37,920
Speaker 1: that was planted in there. I have ample amount of corn.

1441
01:09:38,040 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: I don't do beans because I'm too high evlevation. With

1442
01:09:41,800 --> 01:09:44,000
Speaker 1: elevation of beans really don't grow very well. But I

1443
01:09:44,120 --> 01:09:46,479
Speaker 1: have everything with the kitchen sink on that particular spot.

1444
01:09:47,479 --> 01:09:50,400
Speaker 1: Take up and move outside of that where it's easy

1445
01:09:50,479 --> 01:09:51,840
Speaker 1: for me to hunt. And I go into a spot

1446
01:09:51,880 --> 01:09:54,720
Speaker 1: that's only good during south winds, and I'm literally just

1447
01:09:54,840 --> 01:09:57,320
Speaker 1: planning clovers in that location. I don't want the deer

1448
01:09:57,400 --> 01:09:59,000
Speaker 1: going there late in the year. I was hoping it

1449
01:09:59,080 --> 01:10:01,600
Speaker 1: gets covered up by know and by default they go

1450
01:10:01,760 --> 01:10:03,600
Speaker 1: from being able to eat you know, fifteen acres or

1451
01:10:03,640 --> 01:10:05,720
Speaker 1: too plots to seven by the time we get to

1452
01:10:05,800 --> 01:10:08,160
Speaker 1: this late season hunt. Uh. And it happens to be

1453
01:10:08,240 --> 01:10:10,120
Speaker 1: the spots at work for me for access and and

1454
01:10:10,280 --> 01:10:14,680
Speaker 1: min Wow. So there's there's definitely a lot to that

1455
01:10:14,840 --> 01:10:19,880
Speaker 1: thought process that I put it together. I mean, it's

1456
01:10:19,960 --> 01:10:22,280
Speaker 1: it's if you're if you you know, can kind of

1457
01:10:22,320 --> 01:10:24,200
Speaker 1: work your way through the wind thing. You take a

1458
01:10:24,320 --> 01:10:27,600
Speaker 1: clear transparency, put an aerial photograph down and sketch on

1459
01:10:27,680 --> 01:10:29,960
Speaker 1: the transparency where the winds are steady and true, and

1460
01:10:30,120 --> 01:10:33,360
Speaker 1: put lead texes where the winds really nasty. And then

1461
01:10:33,439 --> 01:10:36,519
Speaker 1: you lay another transparency, you know, clear sheet over top

1462
01:10:36,560 --> 01:10:38,320
Speaker 1: of it. Here's how we walk to our stands and

1463
01:10:38,400 --> 01:10:40,519
Speaker 1: lay another transparency over and you can kind of build

1464
01:10:40,560 --> 01:10:43,679
Speaker 1: this whole layer of thing and and and it doesn't

1465
01:10:43,720 --> 01:10:45,680
Speaker 1: take long. Study in that that way you say, wow,

1466
01:10:45,760 --> 01:10:48,439
Speaker 1: there's I could actually plant this one here and it's

1467
01:10:48,439 --> 01:10:51,360
Speaker 1: good for shout winds and planting early season food and

1468
01:10:51,840 --> 01:10:53,920
Speaker 1: something gets used up. I mean, you can you can

1469
01:10:54,200 --> 01:10:55,920
Speaker 1: work a piece of property that way, if you're working

1470
01:10:55,960 --> 01:10:59,400
Speaker 1: with a piece. Yeah. I love that chess aspect of

1471
01:10:59,600 --> 01:11:03,519
Speaker 1: putting a property together like that. That's that's pretty cool. Um, Dan,

1472
01:11:03,840 --> 01:11:07,200
Speaker 1: I know that you have got to bounce pretty shortly.

1473
01:11:07,280 --> 01:11:09,160
Speaker 1: Do you have a last question for Neil before we

1474
01:11:09,240 --> 01:11:12,640
Speaker 1: lose you? Yeah? Um, And it's kind of taking a

1475
01:11:12,680 --> 01:11:14,960
Speaker 1: three sixty turn here, and it's kind of talking about

1476
01:11:15,080 --> 01:11:18,600
Speaker 1: management from management level. And let's say you have a

1477
01:11:18,640 --> 01:11:21,400
Speaker 1: food source, right, it's kind of a hard winter, and

1478
01:11:22,000 --> 01:11:23,920
Speaker 1: we all know that deer kind of group up in

1479
01:11:24,040 --> 01:11:27,439
Speaker 1: numbers and they attack the available foods, the you know,

1480
01:11:27,560 --> 01:11:30,439
Speaker 1: the the easiest available food source in this late season,

1481
01:11:30,479 --> 01:11:33,559
Speaker 1: and then they move on to the next one or uh,

1482
01:11:33,840 --> 01:11:35,800
Speaker 1: you know, or the snow melts and then they can

1483
01:11:35,840 --> 01:11:40,479
Speaker 1: go back into the timber. How do you how do

1484
01:11:40,560 --> 01:11:44,840
Speaker 1: you get an accurate number of how many deer are

1485
01:11:44,920 --> 01:11:50,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be on your property and and um, and

1486
01:11:50,800 --> 01:11:53,840
Speaker 1: how do you plan for that particular food source knowing

1487
01:11:54,400 --> 01:11:58,400
Speaker 1: that there could be instances where you know, you may

1488
01:11:58,520 --> 01:12:00,719
Speaker 1: have the only food plot or the only food source

1489
01:12:00,800 --> 01:12:03,479
Speaker 1: and three or four properties and every deer in the

1490
01:12:03,560 --> 01:12:09,840
Speaker 1: area is going to get sucked to that until it's gone. Yeah. Um, yeah,

1491
01:12:09,920 --> 01:12:12,960
Speaker 1: that's a really difficult scenario. And the way you do

1492
01:12:13,160 --> 01:12:15,080
Speaker 1: that it's with trial and error. So you're gonna have

1493
01:12:15,080 --> 01:12:17,760
Speaker 1: to plan a little bit and kind of sort things out. Um.

1494
01:12:18,280 --> 01:12:21,320
Speaker 1: So when we're looking at kind of the biology side

1495
01:12:21,360 --> 01:12:25,840
Speaker 1: of things, we're hopefully doing some deer census numbers, you know,

1496
01:12:25,920 --> 01:12:29,080
Speaker 1: in the months and in September first part of October

1497
01:12:29,240 --> 01:12:31,599
Speaker 1: or you know, mid September, first part of October. We're

1498
01:12:31,640 --> 01:12:33,640
Speaker 1: working through some deer census to get an idea of

1499
01:12:33,680 --> 01:12:36,520
Speaker 1: what you're to the ratios might be your fond recruitments

1500
01:12:36,640 --> 01:12:39,120
Speaker 1: and and from all that, there's lots of stuff work

1501
01:12:39,200 --> 01:12:41,200
Speaker 1: about that. Now, from all that, you can determine how

1502
01:12:41,240 --> 01:12:43,680
Speaker 1: many dose ought to be harvested and kind of get

1503
01:12:43,680 --> 01:12:46,160
Speaker 1: an idea what your numbers are. And then you you

1504
01:12:46,479 --> 01:12:48,880
Speaker 1: you forget about the ruck because everything's really skewed and

1505
01:12:48,960 --> 01:12:51,000
Speaker 1: you can use observational data, you know, just time and

1506
01:12:51,080 --> 01:12:53,600
Speaker 1: the stand to to calculate those numbers. Forget about the

1507
01:12:53,640 --> 01:12:56,679
Speaker 1: ruck because everything is stewed heavily towards fox and movements

1508
01:12:56,680 --> 01:12:58,800
Speaker 1: a little bit goofy and then need the floodgates open,

1509
01:12:58,920 --> 01:13:01,400
Speaker 1: so you play to that core field. And my my

1510
01:13:02,120 --> 01:13:04,120
Speaker 1: research center is that same way. There is no one

1511
01:13:04,240 --> 01:13:08,160
Speaker 1: and investing the energy and planting for probably five miles.

1512
01:13:08,479 --> 01:13:11,000
Speaker 1: And when the weather piles up and the guys are

1513
01:13:11,080 --> 01:13:14,040
Speaker 1: pounding their woods, driving deer and other stuff, we had

1514
01:13:14,120 --> 01:13:16,120
Speaker 1: pretty heavy and deer numbers. I mean, I might be

1515
01:13:16,200 --> 01:13:18,840
Speaker 1: dealing with the numbers of of UH. I hope that

1516
01:13:18,960 --> 01:13:22,760
Speaker 1: when locals listening but we might be dealing with h yeah,

1517
01:13:23,280 --> 01:13:24,840
Speaker 1: and if I want to say this, it could be

1518
01:13:25,200 --> 01:13:27,920
Speaker 1: many eight ninety year persp a mile in there. Uh

1519
01:13:28,000 --> 01:13:30,040
Speaker 1: you know, we're talking about twenty five or thirty bucks

1520
01:13:30,080 --> 01:13:32,640
Speaker 1: on the on the property in this next week. We

1521
01:13:32,720 --> 01:13:35,280
Speaker 1: can half if the weather had to cooperated and so

1522
01:13:35,439 --> 01:13:39,360
Speaker 1: things get really heavy, how do I keep enough food

1523
01:13:39,400 --> 01:13:42,000
Speaker 1: to keep them healthy? That's a really difficult scenario. And

1524
01:13:42,160 --> 01:13:44,360
Speaker 1: and and quite honestly ends up how much can you

1525
01:13:44,439 --> 01:13:47,200
Speaker 1: budget the plant and any work through? And I have

1526
01:13:47,840 --> 01:13:50,840
Speaker 1: I've taken our on just the kind of new nutrition

1527
01:13:50,960 --> 01:13:53,719
Speaker 1: side of things. I'm taking a little bit different uh step.

1528
01:13:53,840 --> 01:13:55,799
Speaker 1: I have made the leap of faith where I'm comfortable

1529
01:13:55,840 --> 01:13:59,000
Speaker 1: on this whole electric fencing and keeping plots um keeping

1530
01:13:59,080 --> 01:14:01,560
Speaker 1: deer out of the plot us. And you know, my

1531
01:14:01,680 --> 01:14:04,240
Speaker 1: little honey hoole, I was telling you about. I have

1532
01:14:04,720 --> 01:14:07,200
Speaker 1: three and a half acres of corn planting there right now.

1533
01:14:08,080 --> 01:14:10,320
Speaker 1: I keep two and a half acres of that corn

1534
01:14:10,400 --> 01:14:13,200
Speaker 1: field undisturbed, which by weight you know, there's ten thousand

1535
01:14:13,240 --> 01:14:15,320
Speaker 1: pounds where the current uh kind of I keep it

1536
01:14:15,360 --> 01:14:17,400
Speaker 1: away from the deer and don't let them have access

1537
01:14:17,439 --> 01:14:20,040
Speaker 1: to that corn. And and I based them the weather,

1538
01:14:20,120 --> 01:14:22,960
Speaker 1: I dropped that fence and left them in sometime late.

1539
01:14:23,640 --> 01:14:26,439
Speaker 1: My goal there's I do want late season hunting, but

1540
01:14:26,479 --> 01:14:28,720
Speaker 1: I'm not you know, strictly just I gotta kill these deer.

1541
01:14:29,080 --> 01:14:32,720
Speaker 1: My goal is to find a happy medium where I'll

1542
01:14:32,720 --> 01:14:35,400
Speaker 1: have food getting through the end of February, uh in

1543
01:14:35,640 --> 01:14:38,920
Speaker 1: in the March period, and if I have food they

1544
01:14:39,040 --> 01:14:41,160
Speaker 1: maintain until that time of year. I want to get

1545
01:14:41,200 --> 01:14:42,680
Speaker 1: the extra bunk because they can pick up a bunch

1546
01:14:42,680 --> 01:14:45,240
Speaker 1: of antlers around there. So I do the rewards from

1547
01:14:45,320 --> 01:14:49,360
Speaker 1: that um. But that's that keeps the body fat content high,

1548
01:14:49,479 --> 01:14:52,040
Speaker 1: and that lets those three year olds and four year

1549
01:14:52,040 --> 01:14:53,720
Speaker 1: olds they're kicking around, you know, do what they want

1550
01:14:53,800 --> 01:14:55,840
Speaker 1: them to do for next year for antlers. So we

1551
01:14:55,960 --> 01:14:57,519
Speaker 1: do try to work pretty hard on that. In some

1552
01:14:57,640 --> 01:14:59,800
Speaker 1: cases that just keep them away for some food and

1553
01:15:00,040 --> 01:15:02,280
Speaker 1: kind of give them access to the food when they

1554
01:15:02,360 --> 01:15:05,759
Speaker 1: need it late in the year or you know play Honestly,

1555
01:15:05,840 --> 01:15:09,439
Speaker 1: when we're talking about all this floodplat stuff, if you

1556
01:15:09,560 --> 01:15:13,559
Speaker 1: have deer descending on your fields in your area, like Locus,

1557
01:15:13,720 --> 01:15:15,760
Speaker 1: the best possible thing that you can do late in

1558
01:15:15,800 --> 01:15:18,760
Speaker 1: the year is to concentrate a natural habitat inspiring up

1559
01:15:18,800 --> 01:15:21,479
Speaker 1: the chainsaw. It's doing natural habitat work. And for every

1560
01:15:21,520 --> 01:15:23,920
Speaker 1: hour work to do out there, it's cheap work. One

1561
01:15:24,000 --> 01:15:28,120
Speaker 1: you'll generate sustaining food that will carry them for winter's upcoming,

1562
01:15:28,280 --> 01:15:31,360
Speaker 1: you know, far beyond the next couple of years. Just

1563
01:15:31,479 --> 01:15:33,400
Speaker 1: for this natural food production, you can really get a

1564
01:15:33,479 --> 01:15:35,720
Speaker 1: lot out of it. So, you know, those those types

1565
01:15:35,760 --> 01:15:37,160
Speaker 1: of things we do a lot in a were on

1566
01:15:37,240 --> 01:15:39,320
Speaker 1: to pay attention to our gear. But it's a tough

1567
01:15:39,320 --> 01:15:41,320
Speaker 1: scenario when you draw every deer from the neighborhood and

1568
01:15:41,680 --> 01:15:45,280
Speaker 1: it's real, you know, attempting to get in the situation

1569
01:15:45,439 --> 01:15:48,120
Speaker 1: you say, hey, you know there's fifteen, there's twenty deer

1570
01:15:48,160 --> 01:15:50,200
Speaker 1: show up for the food. While I wanted my body

1571
01:15:50,280 --> 01:15:52,040
Speaker 1: is all in. We need to shoot a polo dose

1572
01:15:52,200 --> 01:15:54,840
Speaker 1: and try to balance things things things out. In a

1573
01:15:54,920 --> 01:15:59,439
Speaker 1: lot of cases, you're that artificial concentration screwing your numbers

1574
01:15:59,520 --> 01:16:01,679
Speaker 1: so much you may not want to be harvesting heavily.

1575
01:16:01,760 --> 01:16:04,240
Speaker 1: Those those the way that you you know, maybe trying

1576
01:16:04,280 --> 01:16:07,840
Speaker 1: to plan and do that could hurt you the following year. Yeah,

1577
01:16:08,120 --> 01:16:11,600
Speaker 1: and uh, that's something I'm actually dealing with to a

1578
01:16:11,680 --> 01:16:14,479
Speaker 1: degree in one of my properties in Michigan where I've

1579
01:16:14,520 --> 01:16:17,120
Speaker 1: been trying to figure out, you know, is this population

1580
01:16:17,479 --> 01:16:20,320
Speaker 1: purely skewed by time of year and the available food,

1581
01:16:20,720 --> 01:16:22,960
Speaker 1: or is this something that's a larger year round issue

1582
01:16:23,000 --> 01:16:25,920
Speaker 1: that I need to be being concerned about. Um. And

1583
01:16:25,960 --> 01:16:28,840
Speaker 1: I think to your point a while ago, is that

1584
01:16:29,000 --> 01:16:31,879
Speaker 1: something like a trail camera survey where you're getting accurate

1585
01:16:31,960 --> 01:16:34,880
Speaker 1: census of dear population at several times during the year

1586
01:16:35,160 --> 01:16:38,160
Speaker 1: is probably a key, um, a key tactic to to

1587
01:16:38,320 --> 01:16:42,160
Speaker 1: really use to make that proper decision. It seems like, um. Yeah,

1588
01:16:42,320 --> 01:16:44,800
Speaker 1: And it's like right now on this property, I'm doing

1589
01:16:44,840 --> 01:16:47,960
Speaker 1: a camera poll tomorrow morning at seven o'clock on this piece.

1590
01:16:47,960 --> 01:16:50,120
Speaker 1: And I'm going to see tomorrow morning, uh, and I'll

1591
01:16:50,160 --> 01:16:52,520
Speaker 1: do a camera poll one. We're doing a little strategic

1592
01:16:52,720 --> 01:16:55,120
Speaker 1: you know, set up for where we're hopefully smart one

1593
01:16:55,160 --> 01:16:56,800
Speaker 1: of these old boys in the next couple of days.

1594
01:16:57,360 --> 01:17:00,960
Speaker 1: But too, I'm taking another snapshot. Yeah, we have actually

1595
01:17:01,000 --> 01:17:03,360
Speaker 1: pulled back. We've got a real heavy cattle population of

1596
01:17:03,439 --> 01:17:06,960
Speaker 1: heavy better population here. Our fond recruitment has been low,

1597
01:17:07,240 --> 01:17:09,360
Speaker 1: and I put the brakes on do harvests this year

1598
01:17:10,040 --> 01:17:11,680
Speaker 1: for the first time in seven or a year, so

1599
01:17:11,800 --> 01:17:14,840
Speaker 1: we've we've actually not harvested anything. I'm gonna go back

1600
01:17:14,880 --> 01:17:16,720
Speaker 1: and take a well quick let a look at the

1601
01:17:16,760 --> 01:17:19,320
Speaker 1: census numbers and see whether or not we're gonna take

1602
01:17:19,400 --> 01:17:21,840
Speaker 1: some camp beat this year in shoot a pudos or

1603
01:17:21,920 --> 01:17:24,160
Speaker 1: we need to kind of ride the hard line and

1604
01:17:24,280 --> 01:17:28,519
Speaker 1: not do that. But we weigh, say, my decisions based

1605
01:17:28,560 --> 01:17:30,880
Speaker 1: on the September census in right now, the numbers that

1606
01:17:30,960 --> 01:17:32,960
Speaker 1: you might be getting in your Michigan property or I'm

1607
01:17:33,000 --> 01:17:34,880
Speaker 1: getting here in my need a property. That's going to

1608
01:17:34,920 --> 01:17:37,080
Speaker 1: weigh into the conversation. But it's probably not can beet

1609
01:17:37,120 --> 01:17:40,160
Speaker 1: equal weights in September, but it's definitely needs to be

1610
01:17:40,240 --> 01:17:42,600
Speaker 1: addressed and looked at as as to what's happening on

1611
01:17:42,680 --> 01:17:46,040
Speaker 1: a piece of property and make advantagement decisions. Speaking of

1612
01:17:46,120 --> 01:17:49,560
Speaker 1: trail cameras, kind of jumping topics here, but when it

1613
01:17:49,640 --> 01:17:53,240
Speaker 1: comes to in season scouting at this time of year,

1614
01:17:53,800 --> 01:17:56,120
Speaker 1: what if anything do you do And it sounds like

1615
01:17:56,160 --> 01:17:57,960
Speaker 1: trail cameras is part of them, and maybe you can

1616
01:17:58,479 --> 01:18:01,640
Speaker 1: um elaborate on that, but what kind of scouting do

1617
01:18:01,720 --> 01:18:03,639
Speaker 1: you do during the late season to make sure you're

1618
01:18:03,640 --> 01:18:08,040
Speaker 1: in the right spot? Um, trail cameras are otherwise all right,

1619
01:18:08,080 --> 01:18:11,320
Speaker 1: So the trail cameras were obviously revolution. I here hunting, right,

1620
01:18:11,600 --> 01:18:16,000
Speaker 1: and the trail camera is keeping probably seventy percent of

1621
01:18:16,080 --> 01:18:17,960
Speaker 1: my clients from killing the deer. And they should kill

1622
01:18:18,000 --> 01:18:21,479
Speaker 1: every year because they can't stay away from the darn

1623
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,560
Speaker 1: things and and they've got to keep going. And you know,

1624
01:18:24,800 --> 01:18:27,600
Speaker 1: it's at some point it transitions from being you know,

1625
01:18:27,720 --> 01:18:30,360
Speaker 1: I'm getting good data, well back to this whole drone thing.

1626
01:18:30,400 --> 01:18:32,360
Speaker 1: I'm kind of looking for the deer too. I'm getting

1627
01:18:32,360 --> 01:18:34,160
Speaker 1: the beauty pageant. I want to just keep setting my

1628
01:18:34,200 --> 01:18:36,880
Speaker 1: buddy's six more pictures of the suck at one o'clock afore.

1629
01:18:38,160 --> 01:18:40,600
Speaker 1: And if you're in that that scenario and you're not

1630
01:18:40,800 --> 01:18:43,200
Speaker 1: gathering the good data and you're just kind of just,

1631
01:18:43,439 --> 01:18:46,360
Speaker 1: you know, gathering some pictures, and that's that's good. That

1632
01:18:46,479 --> 01:18:48,719
Speaker 1: you might be dis hindering things by going to frequent

1633
01:18:48,800 --> 01:18:52,559
Speaker 1: the cameras too much. I have. I've got a couple

1634
01:18:52,560 --> 01:18:54,599
Speaker 1: of new guys that that I'm hunting with this year,

1635
01:18:54,600 --> 01:18:57,760
Speaker 1: and on our personal piece in Brian and Terror are

1636
01:18:57,800 --> 01:18:59,800
Speaker 1: pulling their hair out right now because I haven't checked

1637
01:18:59,840 --> 01:19:02,519
Speaker 1: their cameras in three weeks and they're going, what in

1638
01:19:02,600 --> 01:19:05,240
Speaker 1: the world is going on here? You know? The guys.

1639
01:19:05,320 --> 01:19:07,400
Speaker 1: I can't. You're you're a little bit too sensitive, You're

1640
01:19:07,400 --> 01:19:10,120
Speaker 1: a little bit too deep in. I'm checking. There's nine

1641
01:19:10,200 --> 01:19:12,400
Speaker 1: cameras out there. I am keeping tracking these ones that

1642
01:19:12,479 --> 01:19:13,960
Speaker 1: are on the fringes where I can get to them

1643
01:19:14,000 --> 01:19:16,800
Speaker 1: really easy, and if we get close to it, will

1644
01:19:16,840 --> 01:19:18,560
Speaker 1: pull those cameras and see what's there. But I'm not

1645
01:19:18,640 --> 01:19:20,720
Speaker 1: making a separate trip in the middle lightful season and

1646
01:19:20,760 --> 01:19:23,320
Speaker 1: see what's going on. And I just fear kind of

1647
01:19:23,400 --> 01:19:25,600
Speaker 1: jacking things. I'm not grand. I know the property pretty well.

1648
01:19:25,800 --> 01:19:28,160
Speaker 1: We have a pretty good idea what's going on with

1649
01:19:28,479 --> 01:19:33,000
Speaker 1: with the deer, and we're keeping track. I am, let's

1650
01:19:33,040 --> 01:19:35,519
Speaker 1: call it, with a high level frequency, keeping track of

1651
01:19:35,560 --> 01:19:39,080
Speaker 1: my carbohydrate food cameras, so my corn or my beans.

1652
01:19:39,080 --> 01:19:41,519
Speaker 1: I would be looking at those kind of frequency every

1653
01:19:41,640 --> 01:19:44,000
Speaker 1: seven days, ten days, the middle of the day check.

1654
01:19:44,280 --> 01:19:48,280
Speaker 1: You know, we're real sensitive to winds, preferably some nasty

1655
01:19:48,320 --> 01:19:50,240
Speaker 1: stuff for you. Don't think you're gonna be sentive, you know,

1656
01:19:50,360 --> 01:19:53,719
Speaker 1: And and uh, I'm not doing any kind of really

1657
01:19:54,040 --> 01:19:56,720
Speaker 1: cautious about checking those cameras outside of those windows. When

1658
01:19:56,760 --> 01:19:59,439
Speaker 1: it's kind of a perfect I'll rather skip a week

1659
01:19:59,520 --> 01:20:02,519
Speaker 1: rather than keep fun checking him um and and go

1660
01:20:02,720 --> 01:20:05,200
Speaker 1: that route. So it's and if you're in an area

1661
01:20:06,120 --> 01:20:08,040
Speaker 1: we're wireless works for you and you have a T

1662
01:20:08,120 --> 01:20:11,040
Speaker 1: and T coverage, My goodness, I mean it's it's The

1663
01:20:11,160 --> 01:20:13,840
Speaker 1: cameras aren't quite as good as some of your kind

1664
01:20:13,880 --> 01:20:17,600
Speaker 1: of hardcore cameras out there, but you might miss the

1665
01:20:17,680 --> 01:20:20,040
Speaker 1: camera photo potentials. But you you know, you put a

1666
01:20:20,120 --> 01:20:21,920
Speaker 1: camera in place and leave it there for a month

1667
01:20:22,000 --> 01:20:24,840
Speaker 1: and it text messaging pictures. That's a pretty nice way

1668
01:20:24,880 --> 01:20:27,760
Speaker 1: to go. So if your state hasn't hasn't you know,

1669
01:20:27,880 --> 01:20:30,559
Speaker 1: put the commas on those type of cameras and that's

1670
01:20:30,600 --> 01:20:33,280
Speaker 1: an awful nice way to keep tracking things. Super look, pressure,

1671
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:41,160
Speaker 1: do you ever do essentially observation sits during this time

1672
01:20:41,200 --> 01:20:43,640
Speaker 1: of year where you're in the tree or in a

1673
01:20:43,760 --> 01:20:45,920
Speaker 1: tree somewhere, but really you're scouting a different place? Do

1674
01:20:45,960 --> 01:20:48,960
Speaker 1: you ever sacrifice a hunt just to scout visually? Ever?

1675
01:20:50,160 --> 01:20:53,840
Speaker 1: All the time, all the time. So I'm I actually

1676
01:20:53,920 --> 01:20:56,680
Speaker 1: hunted last week. I was hunting pretty hard. I had

1677
01:20:56,680 --> 01:20:58,840
Speaker 1: a really good buck that showed upside my house and

1678
01:20:59,200 --> 01:21:02,080
Speaker 1: was hunting him pretty hard. I went in and hunted him,

1679
01:21:02,280 --> 01:21:04,880
Speaker 1: you know, right in on him on the food source

1680
01:21:05,439 --> 01:21:08,479
Speaker 1: one one day, and I spent the next four days,

1681
01:21:08,640 --> 01:21:11,720
Speaker 1: and I spout where I potentially could kill him, um

1682
01:21:12,160 --> 01:21:14,040
Speaker 1: if he came to the right corner of the field,

1683
01:21:14,120 --> 01:21:16,040
Speaker 1: but I was kind of out of his zip code

1684
01:21:16,040 --> 01:21:18,280
Speaker 1: a little bit. But more importantly, I could get there

1685
01:21:18,280 --> 01:21:20,639
Speaker 1: and observe and get out without screwing up the entire field.

1686
01:21:20,720 --> 01:21:22,639
Speaker 1: And its twenty some deer that we're working the field.

1687
01:21:23,160 --> 01:21:26,760
Speaker 1: So I will go on that fringe shot quite a

1688
01:21:26,800 --> 01:21:30,679
Speaker 1: bit and quite frankly this late period of time, unless

1689
01:21:30,720 --> 01:21:32,720
Speaker 1: I have good intel that tells me to go to

1690
01:21:32,840 --> 01:21:35,719
Speaker 1: the core, you know, go to that perfect will inside

1691
01:21:35,800 --> 01:21:38,800
Speaker 1: corner and hunt the food plot. Unless there's something that's

1692
01:21:39,200 --> 01:21:42,640
Speaker 1: that's compelling me to go there with camera data or

1693
01:21:42,760 --> 01:21:46,200
Speaker 1: something else that I've seen. I'm hunting the fringe, you know,

1694
01:21:46,439 --> 01:21:48,960
Speaker 1: observing from as far away as I can't, still hunting

1695
01:21:49,080 --> 01:21:51,720
Speaker 1: and kind of keep track of things, uh in in

1696
01:21:52,120 --> 01:21:54,040
Speaker 1: but I'm not going right in there unless I have

1697
01:21:54,120 --> 01:21:56,479
Speaker 1: a good idea that I have, you know, stacked the

1698
01:21:56,520 --> 01:21:59,080
Speaker 1: deck in much of my favorites at all possible, and

1699
01:21:59,200 --> 01:22:01,560
Speaker 1: that's the luxury of sometimes so I can kind of

1700
01:22:01,600 --> 01:22:03,880
Speaker 1: play that game. If I'm a Saturday and Sunday hunter,

1701
01:22:04,479 --> 01:22:06,639
Speaker 1: you know, I might be a little bit more aggressive

1702
01:22:06,720 --> 01:22:08,680
Speaker 1: with my style of hunting and kind of get there

1703
01:22:08,720 --> 01:22:11,639
Speaker 1: in on, but I'm trying. I am burning a lot

1704
01:22:11,720 --> 01:22:14,519
Speaker 1: of sits still in the field and the woods and

1705
01:22:14,640 --> 01:22:16,360
Speaker 1: kind of on the fringes, kind of keeping track of

1706
01:22:16,400 --> 01:22:19,840
Speaker 1: what's going on in over the years, you know, I've

1707
01:22:19,960 --> 01:22:22,040
Speaker 1: killed quite a few good deer that way, and that

1708
01:22:22,360 --> 01:22:25,519
Speaker 1: if they know they've they've transitioned to the downward side

1709
01:22:25,520 --> 01:22:27,320
Speaker 1: of that group blod they kind of swung in there.

1710
01:22:27,400 --> 01:22:28,920
Speaker 1: You know, there's been kind of a lot more sensitive

1711
01:22:28,960 --> 01:22:31,120
Speaker 1: to how they enter the field now, and you know,

1712
01:22:31,200 --> 01:22:32,960
Speaker 1: if you're all the way on the downward side of

1713
01:22:33,000 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: a fifteen acre field, you're still liable to have those

1714
01:22:35,439 --> 01:22:37,920
Speaker 1: bucks coming in cruise down there as they try to

1715
01:22:38,040 --> 01:22:40,240
Speaker 1: verify with their noses. There's nothing out in the field,

1716
01:22:40,280 --> 01:22:42,720
Speaker 1: so sometimes that you know you used to be right

1717
01:22:42,840 --> 01:22:45,080
Speaker 1: on the core point where they would enter the field

1718
01:22:45,320 --> 01:22:47,320
Speaker 1: three weeks ago, it's not the place where you want

1719
01:22:47,320 --> 01:22:49,640
Speaker 1: to be there. They're using the nosis to back do

1720
01:22:49,840 --> 01:22:51,800
Speaker 1: those areas from quite a distance. So if you kind

1721
01:22:51,840 --> 01:22:53,840
Speaker 1: of measure up and get to the point where they

1722
01:22:53,880 --> 01:22:56,080
Speaker 1: would be investigating the field of their nose, plus you

1723
01:22:56,120 --> 01:22:59,040
Speaker 1: can still kind of see that social gathering area in field,

1724
01:22:59,640 --> 01:23:01,760
Speaker 1: and I'd be watching a lot of deer three hundred yards,

1725
01:23:01,840 --> 01:23:04,360
Speaker 1: but you might find that you're you're killing the big

1726
01:23:04,400 --> 01:23:06,400
Speaker 1: buck that you want at forty as he swings around,

1727
01:23:06,439 --> 01:23:08,080
Speaker 1: it kind of checks the field first before he heads

1728
01:23:08,120 --> 01:23:11,320
Speaker 1: out there. So it sounds like, based on what you

1729
01:23:11,439 --> 01:23:13,439
Speaker 1: just said there and some of the things we talked

1730
01:23:13,439 --> 01:23:16,640
Speaker 1: through a little earlier, that most of your hunts at

1731
01:23:16,680 --> 01:23:19,519
Speaker 1: this time of year are pretty darn close to the food,

1732
01:23:19,720 --> 01:23:22,479
Speaker 1: almost right on top of it. Um Is that is

1733
01:23:22,560 --> 01:23:25,880
Speaker 1: that accurate? Um? Or? Are you? Are you a little

1734
01:23:25,880 --> 01:23:29,559
Speaker 1: bit farther back sometimes? Now? You know, Mark, I am

1735
01:23:29,840 --> 01:23:34,600
Speaker 1: uh personally right now on my personal farms and probably

1736
01:23:34,800 --> 01:23:37,280
Speaker 1: with the vast majority of my clients again have the

1737
01:23:37,320 --> 01:23:41,280
Speaker 1: ability of plant and management their property. We're basing probably

1738
01:23:41,439 --> 01:23:43,599
Speaker 1: ninety five percent of or man hours on the food

1739
01:23:43,640 --> 01:23:47,719
Speaker 1: plots himselves right now, and and we're killing the vast

1740
01:23:47,800 --> 01:23:49,439
Speaker 1: majority of the deer. We're killing her in the plot.

1741
01:23:49,520 --> 01:23:51,880
Speaker 1: So if I look at it as a couple of

1742
01:23:51,960 --> 01:23:54,640
Speaker 1: years ago, I did an observational native collection with with

1743
01:23:55,040 --> 01:23:57,200
Speaker 1: my clients and polled, Oh it wasn't a lot of

1744
01:23:57,240 --> 01:24:00,040
Speaker 1: people probably polled, you know, hundred and fifty properties of

1745
01:24:00,080 --> 01:24:02,640
Speaker 1: guys that are pretty serious about it. And overall they

1746
01:24:02,720 --> 01:24:06,800
Speaker 1: spent nine of their hours were in food plots themselves, hunting,

1747
01:24:06,840 --> 01:24:08,960
Speaker 1: you know, get the outdoor channel experience and shoot them

1748
01:24:09,000 --> 01:24:12,840
Speaker 1: over green during the low seasons, about fifteen maybe twenty

1749
01:24:12,880 --> 01:24:14,840
Speaker 1: percent of the box. Maybe the three year olds are better.

1750
01:24:15,240 --> 01:24:17,760
Speaker 1: We're killed in the food plot, seventy five percent of

1751
01:24:17,760 --> 01:24:19,760
Speaker 1: the we're killed back in the woods. You know, that's

1752
01:24:19,760 --> 01:24:21,639
Speaker 1: still the guys who are still logging ninety five percent

1753
01:24:21,680 --> 01:24:23,600
Speaker 1: of their man hours on the food plot themselves and

1754
01:24:23,720 --> 01:24:27,240
Speaker 1: still can only killing of the deer there. So five

1755
01:24:27,320 --> 01:24:29,360
Speaker 1: percent of the time during the woods they're killing you know,

1756
01:24:29,680 --> 01:24:31,559
Speaker 1: seventy five percent of the deer back there in the woods.

1757
01:24:31,600 --> 01:24:33,720
Speaker 1: So that should probably a little bit about getting not

1758
01:24:33,840 --> 01:24:36,760
Speaker 1: the plot. But when you get to this late season hunt,

1759
01:24:37,680 --> 01:24:40,280
Speaker 1: I mean literally, we are taking less than ten percent

1760
01:24:40,320 --> 01:24:42,439
Speaker 1: of our bucks off the fields this time of year.

1761
01:24:43,160 --> 01:24:46,240
Speaker 1: Everything is being taken right there on on those food

1762
01:24:46,280 --> 01:24:49,280
Speaker 1: sources and catch them showing up. And but again, these

1763
01:24:49,320 --> 01:24:51,200
Speaker 1: are guys who have the ability to kind of play

1764
01:24:51,280 --> 01:24:54,400
Speaker 1: that standoffic game and and hunts of the time is

1765
01:24:54,560 --> 01:24:57,800
Speaker 1: right and and uh and in the low pressure they

1766
01:24:57,840 --> 01:25:00,080
Speaker 1: don't have to play the aggressive move and go and

1767
01:25:00,240 --> 01:25:02,240
Speaker 1: try to catch them off the ridge and you know,

1768
01:25:02,280 --> 01:25:04,160
Speaker 1: well four five guys are coming at them from the

1769
01:25:04,200 --> 01:25:07,360
Speaker 1: other side. You know what opening day honey pressure type

1770
01:25:07,400 --> 01:25:11,400
Speaker 1: of scenarios. Yeah, yeah, that's that makes things a lot different,

1771
01:25:11,439 --> 01:25:15,800
Speaker 1: that's for sure. So we are coming up here on time,

1772
01:25:16,000 --> 01:25:18,880
Speaker 1: and I've got about fifteen other things that I want

1773
01:25:18,920 --> 01:25:22,000
Speaker 1: to talk to you about. But I guess we've covered

1774
01:25:22,080 --> 01:25:25,639
Speaker 1: some really some really great core topics I think related

1775
01:25:25,640 --> 01:25:28,200
Speaker 1: to late season hunting. UM. And so maybe I'll throw

1776
01:25:28,280 --> 01:25:29,840
Speaker 1: one more at you that we might be able to

1777
01:25:29,880 --> 01:25:31,720
Speaker 1: cover something maybe we didn't talk about, maybe it's something

1778
01:25:31,760 --> 01:25:34,760
Speaker 1: we already did. Um. But if you had to pick

1779
01:25:34,920 --> 01:25:40,360
Speaker 1: the most common or most damaging mistake that you see

1780
01:25:40,400 --> 01:25:42,719
Speaker 1: your clients or other hunters that you've talked to making

1781
01:25:42,760 --> 01:25:44,439
Speaker 1: at this time of year, what do you think that

1782
01:25:44,520 --> 01:25:49,559
Speaker 1: most Commum mistake is. Um, most Colum mistake is right

1783
01:25:49,600 --> 01:25:52,080
Speaker 1: now hunting when they probably ought not to be hunting

1784
01:25:52,080 --> 01:25:55,840
Speaker 1: in that prime location. UM. So I've had a couple

1785
01:25:55,840 --> 01:25:58,120
Speaker 1: of plants and is talked to you just in the

1786
01:25:58,200 --> 01:26:00,120
Speaker 1: last couple of days. This is why I do if

1787
01:26:00,200 --> 01:26:02,000
Speaker 1: I hit it too hard in the last three or

1788
01:26:02,040 --> 01:26:04,960
Speaker 1: four days of both season trying to fill that boat

1789
01:26:05,000 --> 01:26:08,639
Speaker 1: tag in and now rightful seating. Their gun seasons rolled

1790
01:26:08,680 --> 01:26:10,559
Speaker 1: around and beer pretty well burned up and they've used

1791
01:26:10,640 --> 01:26:12,880
Speaker 1: up the area. So they they playing the chess game

1792
01:26:12,920 --> 01:26:15,000
Speaker 1: a little bit too hard upon portion. It's gonna take

1793
01:26:15,040 --> 01:26:18,240
Speaker 1: some kind of bout back. So managing pressure, i would say,

1794
01:26:18,520 --> 01:26:20,880
Speaker 1: is the one thing where people are making a lot

1795
01:26:21,000 --> 01:26:23,400
Speaker 1: of mistakes right now and letting these bucks get a

1796
01:26:24,040 --> 01:26:27,080
Speaker 1: little bit of breathing room and get through. And there

1797
01:26:27,240 --> 01:26:30,439
Speaker 1: is the longer I'm doing this for more time I'm

1798
01:26:30,479 --> 01:26:33,960
Speaker 1: spending with deer and clients and really get to kick

1799
01:26:34,000 --> 01:26:36,400
Speaker 1: out of observing. Let me beer teach, teach me a

1800
01:26:36,439 --> 01:26:38,400
Speaker 1: lot of things, and more I'm seeing that there is

1801
01:26:38,600 --> 01:26:42,560
Speaker 1: there's very few opportunities there is to force um and

1802
01:26:42,760 --> 01:26:44,920
Speaker 1: encounter with those big deer. I mean, forget about deer

1803
01:26:45,040 --> 01:26:47,280
Speaker 1: driving that kind of thing that the force by charging

1804
01:26:47,360 --> 01:26:50,240
Speaker 1: in there and going for him. That it's a difficult

1805
01:26:50,320 --> 01:26:53,080
Speaker 1: scenario to make play year after year and then make

1806
01:26:53,160 --> 01:26:55,960
Speaker 1: work for you. I'm reminding of a GPS study that

1807
01:26:56,080 --> 01:26:59,080
Speaker 1: was done in Pennsylvania recently were they they actually studied

1808
01:26:59,160 --> 01:27:03,080
Speaker 1: the hat collar deer uh and they went through I

1809
01:27:03,160 --> 01:27:05,280
Speaker 1: believe was GPS. I know they had college deer maybe

1810
01:27:05,560 --> 01:27:07,960
Speaker 1: a radio tilemeterry that I'm pretty fairly share it was

1811
01:27:08,080 --> 01:27:11,519
Speaker 1: a GPS study for the level of proceedson. But the

1812
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,000
Speaker 1: way it worked was they had their opening day of

1813
01:27:14,080 --> 01:27:16,679
Speaker 1: bear season, uh, and they open to a bear season.

1814
01:27:16,920 --> 01:27:18,320
Speaker 1: You know, if you're not famili where the p a

1815
01:27:18,400 --> 01:27:20,439
Speaker 1: it's the right of passage for hunters. It's a week

1816
01:27:20,520 --> 01:27:22,640
Speaker 1: before they're gone to and starts up and you know,

1817
01:27:22,760 --> 01:27:25,320
Speaker 1: fifteen twenty guys get in. Then they drive these mountains

1818
01:27:25,360 --> 01:27:27,040
Speaker 1: back and forth. They do a lot of pushing and

1819
01:27:27,160 --> 01:27:29,680
Speaker 1: pushing the tickets and it drives me crazy because I

1820
01:27:29,720 --> 01:27:32,160
Speaker 1: have guys are super serious about the deer hunting and

1821
01:27:32,439 --> 01:27:35,280
Speaker 1: could really care less about their hunting. They go and

1822
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,000
Speaker 1: they drive there and you know, four or five hundred

1823
01:27:37,000 --> 01:27:38,640
Speaker 1: acre pieces the week before they have to go out

1824
01:27:38,680 --> 01:27:42,000
Speaker 1: for rifle season. What the GPS collar told us is,

1825
01:27:42,320 --> 01:27:45,960
Speaker 1: you know, deer arranging covering five acres or square mile

1826
01:27:46,120 --> 01:27:49,000
Speaker 1: depends on the individual deer in his personality. And that

1827
01:27:49,120 --> 01:27:52,519
Speaker 1: pressure kicked in and literally, you know, dear went down

1828
01:27:52,600 --> 01:27:54,679
Speaker 1: to the fifteen or twenty a or a little post

1829
01:27:54,720 --> 01:27:57,240
Speaker 1: to stand forth the grounds as they're covering, and they

1830
01:27:57,360 --> 01:27:59,439
Speaker 1: stayed that way for the next forty five or fifty nights.

1831
01:28:00,040 --> 01:28:02,759
Speaker 1: That's through that constant kind of wearing of hunting pressure.

1832
01:28:03,280 --> 01:28:07,080
Speaker 1: And if if you can back off on me again

1833
01:28:07,160 --> 01:28:11,280
Speaker 1: the sense of security for seven days, ten days, fifteen days,

1834
01:28:11,360 --> 01:28:13,040
Speaker 1: if your season will allow it, you can get them

1835
01:28:13,040 --> 01:28:16,000
Speaker 1: out of that little donuts that they've decided as the

1836
01:28:16,160 --> 01:28:18,360
Speaker 1: core saint area that you probably have no chance of

1837
01:28:18,400 --> 01:28:20,479
Speaker 1: killing them, and anyhow can get them back to more

1838
01:28:20,560 --> 01:28:23,000
Speaker 1: managmal pattern. You can do that kind of drone strike

1839
01:28:23,080 --> 01:28:25,360
Speaker 1: and dive in there and and and and have a

1840
01:28:25,439 --> 01:28:28,040
Speaker 1: good hunt on them. And sometimes the best hunting strategy

1841
01:28:28,479 --> 01:28:30,120
Speaker 1: for this late time of year is just to leave

1842
01:28:30,200 --> 01:28:33,840
Speaker 1: alone and wait capitalize another one or two days went right,

1843
01:28:34,040 --> 01:28:36,360
Speaker 1: and it's it's really hard to get used to that

1844
01:28:36,400 --> 01:28:38,360
Speaker 1: style of strategy of staying out of the woods. This

1845
01:28:38,400 --> 01:28:40,640
Speaker 1: is the most valuable thing that you can do to

1846
01:28:40,720 --> 01:28:42,840
Speaker 1: set yourself up from that light that right couple of

1847
01:28:42,920 --> 01:28:46,240
Speaker 1: day hunts. Yeah, that's a that's a perfect way to

1848
01:28:46,360 --> 01:28:49,320
Speaker 1: end this up, because I think that is the exact

1849
01:28:49,479 --> 01:28:52,439
Speaker 1: advice that I would give anyone, is that exact approach,

1850
01:28:52,560 --> 01:28:54,280
Speaker 1: and probably the reason why I give them that advice

1851
01:28:54,360 --> 01:28:56,639
Speaker 1: because I've read stuff from you and other people smarter

1852
01:28:56,720 --> 01:28:59,200
Speaker 1: than me that have taught me that, and it's paid off.

1853
01:28:59,360 --> 01:29:03,439
Speaker 1: So that is, that is, That's the ticket to late

1854
01:29:03,479 --> 01:29:06,080
Speaker 1: season success as far as I'm concerned. Um, if you

1855
01:29:06,160 --> 01:29:08,280
Speaker 1: can follow that, if you have that type of opportunity

1856
01:29:08,360 --> 01:29:11,320
Speaker 1: and you can manage the and have the restraint to

1857
01:29:12,080 --> 01:29:14,000
Speaker 1: be careful about when you go in there, wait for

1858
01:29:14,040 --> 01:29:15,800
Speaker 1: the right time to strike, and know the right place

1859
01:29:15,880 --> 01:29:19,080
Speaker 1: to be based on some careful observation or scouting, and

1860
01:29:19,120 --> 01:29:22,519
Speaker 1: then wait for that right time, like you said, sending

1861
01:29:22,560 --> 01:29:26,519
Speaker 1: the drone make it happen that first hunt. That's pretty exciting,

1862
01:29:26,560 --> 01:29:28,679
Speaker 1: even though it takes some restraint and not hunting maybe

1863
01:29:28,720 --> 01:29:30,920
Speaker 1: as much as you would like to. When it does

1864
01:29:31,080 --> 01:29:33,360
Speaker 1: all come together, when you put those pieces in the

1865
01:29:33,520 --> 01:29:36,000
Speaker 1: right places and it all happens the way you planned it,

1866
01:29:36,720 --> 01:29:40,640
Speaker 1: that is a pretty incredible feeling. And uh, that's the

1867
01:29:40,760 --> 01:29:46,760
Speaker 1: wonderful accomplishments. That's as Yeah, I absolutely agree. So Neil,

1868
01:29:46,800 --> 01:29:50,000
Speaker 1: if people want to learn, well, well, first you've written

1869
01:29:50,280 --> 01:29:52,559
Speaker 1: co author with You're Dead, two books that I really

1870
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:56,000
Speaker 1: really really highly recommend. Can you give us a quick,

1871
01:29:56,640 --> 01:29:58,920
Speaker 1: quick high level overhel those two books, what those might

1872
01:29:59,000 --> 01:30:01,360
Speaker 1: be about and uh and where they can learn more

1873
01:30:01,400 --> 01:30:05,559
Speaker 1: about them from shameless bugging at the ending. I like that. Uh.

1874
01:30:05,960 --> 01:30:10,360
Speaker 1: The h our first book really dealt with kind of

1875
01:30:10,439 --> 01:30:13,240
Speaker 1: land management we call the grown lights um in the

1876
01:30:13,360 --> 01:30:16,320
Speaker 1: order to our website North Country Light Sales dot Com.

1877
01:30:17,000 --> 01:30:19,080
Speaker 1: Also another way can reach out to email me if

1878
01:30:19,520 --> 01:30:22,160
Speaker 1: or reach out and buy telephoneis and questions if you'd like.

1879
01:30:23,080 --> 01:30:26,920
Speaker 1: But the Growing Rights book really focused on designing habits

1880
01:30:27,000 --> 01:30:29,360
Speaker 1: a piece of property that was conduced with the holding

1881
01:30:29,479 --> 01:30:32,080
Speaker 1: game and holding beer. We spent a lot of time

1882
01:30:32,280 --> 01:30:34,479
Speaker 1: working through those wind scenarios. I was telling you when

1883
01:30:34,600 --> 01:30:37,320
Speaker 1: designing food plot, what the plant, how to manage the

1884
01:30:37,360 --> 01:30:43,840
Speaker 1: overall habitat concepts, and kind of design the peaks um fiber.

1885
01:30:43,880 --> 01:30:45,960
Speaker 1: Six years after you designed your piece of property, you're

1886
01:30:46,000 --> 01:30:48,040
Speaker 1: gonna find that it's actually one of the most challenging

1887
01:30:48,080 --> 01:30:50,400
Speaker 1: pieces of ground the hunt because there's only so many

1888
01:30:50,439 --> 01:30:53,800
Speaker 1: tricks that you have available on any given piece. And

1889
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,360
Speaker 1: in the beer start to learn your patterns and your tricks. Uh.

1890
01:30:57,600 --> 01:31:01,679
Speaker 1: White Tales from Grounds and Gun was the complimentary book

1891
01:31:01,680 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: to that, and it was kind of the next level. Okay,

1892
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:05,800
Speaker 1: so now you figured out how to grow them? UM.

1893
01:31:06,200 --> 01:31:09,320
Speaker 1: Now here's how we capitalize on a piece of property

1894
01:31:09,320 --> 01:31:12,320
Speaker 1: and we start to harvest them consistently and we it's

1895
01:31:12,400 --> 01:31:14,240
Speaker 1: a great lake. We talked about a lot of those

1896
01:31:14,320 --> 01:31:16,400
Speaker 1: kind of Deer Bilogy stuff. We spent a lot of

1897
01:31:16,479 --> 01:31:20,080
Speaker 1: time talking about the hunting aspect to owning a piece

1898
01:31:20,120 --> 01:31:22,679
Speaker 1: of property and working with a piece of property long term,

1899
01:31:23,000 --> 01:31:25,559
Speaker 1: how it's leasing or again you know, ownership, but working

1900
01:31:25,640 --> 01:31:27,800
Speaker 1: with the hunting strategy associated with it to keep the

1901
01:31:27,840 --> 01:31:30,640
Speaker 1: piece fresh and and we're really trying to explore the

1902
01:31:30,760 --> 01:31:35,479
Speaker 1: landowners statifical kind of glass ceiling events that every pro has.

1903
01:31:35,720 --> 01:31:37,840
Speaker 1: It's not a progression to gets better and better better

1904
01:31:37,880 --> 01:31:41,080
Speaker 1: every year. You will hit stumbling blocks as you become

1905
01:31:41,200 --> 01:31:43,120
Speaker 1: alerted two different things that are going on. So we

1906
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:44,680
Speaker 1: want to spend a lot of time with that in

1907
01:31:44,760 --> 01:31:46,799
Speaker 1: the second book. So a little bit more hunting strategy

1908
01:31:46,840 --> 01:31:49,000
Speaker 1: in the second book and a lot more of laying

1909
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Speaker 1: it out in the first one. Rome right, Well, like

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Speaker 1: like I mentioned, those are two of my favorite books

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Speaker 1: when it comes to white Tails and everything Neil just

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Speaker 1: laid out there. There's all that and a lot more.

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Speaker 1: So I definitely recommend anyone if you haven't already go

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Speaker 1: to like you mentioned Neil North Country white tails dot com.

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Speaker 1: And if I'm wrong, but that would be the right

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Speaker 1: place for somebody to go if they're interested in learning

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Speaker 1: more about your consulting business as well. Right absolutely from

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Speaker 1: that you'll find an office number. This time you're in

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Speaker 1: the college office. Who was going to pop right out

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Speaker 1: to my cell phone? The in the truck somewhere, so, um,

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Speaker 1: you know, four o'clock in the afternoon, I'm probably doing

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Speaker 1: quote unquote field of research somewhere, maybe overcome the corn

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Speaker 1: field I was telling you about. Yeah, they'll reach out

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Speaker 1: to us that way. It's a great way to to

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Speaker 1: get in touch with us store and just sit the

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Speaker 1: You know, a lot of folks you are asking the questions,

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Speaker 1: and it doesn't have to belies. You ask some questions

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Speaker 1: you want to about some ide us off, we're here

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Speaker 1: to help and uh and and here to explore and

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Speaker 1: and and hopefully can pay some good information. Terrific. Well,

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Speaker 1: thanks for sharing all that, Neil, and thank you for

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Speaker 1: taking the last, you know, hour of your time, busy

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Speaker 1: time of year I know, for you to to share

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Speaker 1: these experiences and ideas and nights. I think, um, I

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Speaker 1: think everyone is going to be able to have something

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Speaker 1: they can apply to their hunts moving forward. So thank

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Speaker 1: you so much, Neil. Happy to do my favorite time here.

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Speaker 1: It's a great time. Well, good luck with the rest

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Speaker 1: of your hunts and hopefully we can chat with you

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Speaker 1: against soon. All right, Thanks guys, good luck to us here. Thanks,

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Speaker 1: bye bye, all right, and that is going to do

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Speaker 1: so much for joining us today. And even though Sweet

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Speaker 1: November is in the past, don't lose hope. The late

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Speaker 1: season can be a great season, so good luck out there,

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Speaker 1: and stay wired to hunt.