WEBVTT - Ep. 19: Sheefish in Tropical Storm Steve Austin

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<v Speaker 1>Which in Finnish actually translates to mud tropical stomp. Steve Austen,

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<v Speaker 1>that would have been bad as yo, bro, I'll bring

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<v Speaker 1>the case of Miller. You got the asparagus? Like, why? Who?

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<v Speaker 1>Why is there asparagus and fishing? I just feel bad

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<v Speaker 1>for the fish because it already lost most of its

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<v Speaker 1>dignity getting caught by this dude and blind drunk. Good morning,

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<v Speaker 1>degenerate anglers, welcome to Bent the Fishing Podcast. That can't

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<v Speaker 1>even feign mild enthusiasm anymore when you hand off your

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<v Speaker 1>phone and make a scroll through thirty five frames of

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<v Speaker 1>your p B large mouth. I'm Joe Surmelli A Miles

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<v Speaker 1>NULDI and and just wait a second, was that that

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<v Speaker 1>PB thing? Was that just for Stephen Hella's benefit, because

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<v Speaker 1>you know that's a pet pe of his right, you know,

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<v Speaker 1>he kind of hates that. No, No, I actually had

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<v Speaker 1>no idea he had a problem with the acronym PB.

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<v Speaker 1>He's the boss, so I probably should have known that,

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<v Speaker 1>but I don't know. I didn't. It never really bothered me.

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<v Speaker 1>But just what bothers me is having to pretend I

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<v Speaker 1>want to see tons of photos of it on your phone.

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<v Speaker 1>This this right here, This, right here is why I

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<v Speaker 1>don't go to barbecues with a bunch of people I

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<v Speaker 1>don't know. Hold up, that's there's a legitimate bright side

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<v Speaker 1>for the past ten months, because an barbecue is going

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<v Speaker 1>down right like and and now these days when I

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<v Speaker 1>run into people right as opposed to sometimes in the past,

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<v Speaker 1>they don't just start handing me their phone to show

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<v Speaker 1>off picks. Ever since, ever since that run on lisol wipes,

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<v Speaker 1>that kind of that behavior just sort of shut down.

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<v Speaker 1>You don't know, I'm not trying to be a dick,

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<v Speaker 1>like I'm not, but I don't totally get it either, right, Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>you caught a big fish. I'm honestly happy for you,

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<v Speaker 1>Like legitimately, I'm happy for you. But unless the photos

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<v Speaker 1>that you're showing me, like unless they're super unique in

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<v Speaker 1>some way, or or you're using them to illustrate a

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<v Speaker 1>point in a really good story that you're telling me,

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<v Speaker 1>I just don't care. I don't I'm sorry. Okay, listen

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<v Speaker 1>before I retort with a steaming cup of counter argument

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<v Speaker 1>on what you're saying right now, just a quick friendly

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<v Speaker 1>Plug done. Back to your little rant here, are you

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<v Speaker 1>hating on gripp and grins in general or just when

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<v Speaker 1>people show them to you uninvited? I'm confused? Uh, I

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<v Speaker 1>guess it's a little both, if I'm being honest, all right, Like,

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<v Speaker 1>I have a complicated relationship with gripping grids, right, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's changed, it has changed over time. At this moment,

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<v Speaker 1>like at this moment in time, I I can't believe

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<v Speaker 1>what it says. I kind of think about them the

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<v Speaker 1>same way I think about dick picks. All right, I

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<v Speaker 1>have no problem. I have no problem with people taking

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<v Speaker 1>all the grip and grins they want for themselves or

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<v Speaker 1>loved ones or posterity or whatever. Would you superimpose the

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<v Speaker 1>word dick picking that statement, like you, I have no

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<v Speaker 1>problem how many dick yourself. This is all intentional, and

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<v Speaker 1>if someone asks to see your grip and grins, then

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<v Speaker 1>by all means share. But like I think, maybe we

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<v Speaker 1>need to rethink this practice of just showing our grip

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<v Speaker 1>and grins to people who have expressed no desire to

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<v Speaker 1>see them. That's what I think. Yeah, but what you

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<v Speaker 1>to find at the end there is social media and

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<v Speaker 1>we and we know you don't like social media. And

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<v Speaker 1>while I don't want to be subjected to random phone scrolling,

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. I you know, I feel beholding the

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<v Speaker 1>social media to some degree, you know, and the Okay, look,

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<v Speaker 1>you're right, I don't love social media. But here's where

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<v Speaker 1>your analogy breaks down from me, right, because social media

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<v Speaker 1>is it's voluntary. I can unfollow you if if I

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<v Speaker 1>find your gripping and grinning like two egregious or or

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<v Speaker 1>better yet, I can choose not to go on social

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<v Speaker 1>media at all. Right, you're right, You're right, But I also, man, you,

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<v Speaker 1>I think you're kind of not being realistic about this

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<v Speaker 1>because just because you don't love hero shots, it doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>really change the fact that big fish turn heads, right,

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<v Speaker 1>Like our business is kind of about turning heads with

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<v Speaker 1>big fish at times. Right, So I I get tired

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<v Speaker 1>of both looking at and taking grip and grins. But

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<v Speaker 1>like it's that or a close up, neither of which

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<v Speaker 1>are original. And the gripping grins get way more attention

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<v Speaker 1>and look like so I get annoyed with it too.

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<v Speaker 1>I get annoyed with myself because I pose the exact

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<v Speaker 1>same way in every grip and grin, whether it's shot

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<v Speaker 1>by someone else or via the camera timer. And I

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<v Speaker 1>hate myself for it. And I want to be creative

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<v Speaker 1>and do something different. But after all these years, like

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<v Speaker 1>my muscle memory goes right to rifle pose, I just

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<v Speaker 1>go up, how just come out, just come up? And

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<v Speaker 1>that's and that and that's my problem, you know. But

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<v Speaker 1>my point is that you're not being realistic. And you're

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<v Speaker 1>also forgetting about captains and guides, which is ironic considering

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<v Speaker 1>you were once both of those. We had we it

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<v Speaker 1>overlook that. And and they make money showing showing gripping grins, dude,

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<v Speaker 1>like they do have more value than dick picks in

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<v Speaker 1>my opinion, though maybe someone makes money off those two.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't know. So yeah, all right, yeah, okay, look

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<v Speaker 1>the Dick peck analogy, Uh maybe it's a little flowed.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I went too far with that. I'll give you that.

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<v Speaker 1>And man, like, just to clear this up, I take

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<v Speaker 1>and I post gripp and grins Okay, Like I do

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<v Speaker 1>understand that my my grape is my grape. Really, I

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<v Speaker 1>think lies in the handing off the phone deal that

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<v Speaker 1>we were talking about, like the being forced to see it.

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<v Speaker 1>But to your point, like, let me get back to

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<v Speaker 1>your point on on on guides and captains. I I

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<v Speaker 1>struggle with that when I was guiding, Like I I

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<v Speaker 1>actually hated gripping grins way more when I was a guide,

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<v Speaker 1>I think than I do now, because I feel like

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<v Speaker 1>they set people up for disappointment, right, Like all anyone

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<v Speaker 1>sees on social media or anywhere in fishing media at all,

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<v Speaker 1>really are these just huge giant fish? And so they

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<v Speaker 1>show up, they show up to their day guided fishing,

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<v Speaker 1>and their their expectations are dictated by Instagram accounts instead

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<v Speaker 1>of reality. And let's just be let's just be honest.

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<v Speaker 1>If you if you think your first day of trout

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<v Speaker 1>fishing for the season is going to look like the

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<v Speaker 1>fly Lord's page, you're setting yourself up for disappointment and

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<v Speaker 1>it just makes for a terrible trip from the guide,

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<v Speaker 1>for the client, for anybody. Look, all right, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>get off by soapbox and and be done with this.

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<v Speaker 1>I think I think we've reached some sort of conclusion.

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<v Speaker 1>Maybe I don't know. I don't know, but I think

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<v Speaker 1>we need to move on to the fishing report. And

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<v Speaker 1>this particular contributor does not care at all about this debate. Yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>he isn't posting anything to promote himself because his guiding

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<v Speaker 1>business is not what you would call legal. That is correct.

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<v Speaker 1>You won't see picks of down the Road Darren anywhere.

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<v Speaker 1>I mean, how we just bleeped his last name. He's

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<v Speaker 1>so under the radar because he's got warrants out or something.

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<v Speaker 1>But we're still gonna kick it over to our favorite

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<v Speaker 1>South Louisiana Black Ops charter captain who's trying to keep

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<v Speaker 1>himself moving forward despite the seemingly endless streams of hurricanes

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<v Speaker 1>this season. Hey, y'all, it's down the Road Darren with

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<v Speaker 1>the South Louisiana Fishing Report. Holy Mary, Mother of God,

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<v Speaker 1>was that hilacious hurricane season. We had so many storms.

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<v Speaker 1>They went through the whole alphabet with names and started

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<v Speaker 1>picking some kind of weird Greek sound of names. They

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<v Speaker 1>should have named them after the WWF rats. It was

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<v Speaker 1>like Hurricane Hulk Hogan and Tropical Storm Steve Austin that

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<v Speaker 1>would have been badass. My damn trailer got all torn

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<v Speaker 1>up during hurricanes A to last month, so I'm currently

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<v Speaker 1>shocked up in a tent and max old Lady Shantell's backyard.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a less than ideal situation, but it's got it's perks.

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<v Speaker 1>Sometimes I come home with a case of bush heavies

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<v Speaker 1>and if I give her a few, she lets me

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<v Speaker 1>use her microwave to warm up a can of ravioli. Anyways,

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<v Speaker 1>the hurricanes did mess some things up, but the fishing

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<v Speaker 1>is better than ever. The specle trout of gorging themselves

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<v Speaker 1>on shrimp right now, and if you can find a

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<v Speaker 1>good falling tide, you can catch a nice mess of fish.

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<v Speaker 1>Head down the four Horse Lake when the tide's ripping,

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<v Speaker 1>and toss some plastics anywhere you see your buy you

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<v Speaker 1>emptying into the lake, that trot will be stacked up.

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<v Speaker 1>It's gonna be a boat parade, So try to stay

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<v Speaker 1>at two cast distance away from other boats. Some people

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<v Speaker 1>got no respect these days, and they come up right

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<v Speaker 1>next to you. My little pot in the Austin been

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<v Speaker 1>going out to the lake front in the Wallans and

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<v Speaker 1>throwing a cast net for shrimp. I went with him

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<v Speaker 1>one night. Before we could finish a bottle of Taka vodka,

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<v Speaker 1>we had already filled the ice chests up with shrimp.

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<v Speaker 1>Chantel was pretty happy balled them shrimp the next day.

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<v Speaker 1>She would have let me sleep on the couch that

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<v Speaker 1>night if I hadn't got into an argument with her

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<v Speaker 1>neighbor after my pit bull bit his laboratory retriever. Red

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<v Speaker 1>fish are stacking up too, and you can find them

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<v Speaker 1>all over the place right now. Get this, I saw

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<v Speaker 1>a dude fly fishing for red fish the other day.

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<v Speaker 1>That poor dude kept waving his own back and fourth

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<v Speaker 1>and back and forth. I can't believe somebody will go

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<v Speaker 1>through that much trouble when all you gotta do is

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<v Speaker 1>toss out a dead shrimp under a popping cord and

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<v Speaker 1>let the fish come to you, poor sucker. So that's

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<v Speaker 1>the report for the fall fishing down here in South Louisiana.

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<v Speaker 1>I still got some days available if you want to

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<v Speaker 1>go fishing this fall. The damn mayor in New Orleans

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<v Speaker 1>canceled Marty Guard this year due to the phony coronavirus,

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<v Speaker 1>and I normally make a lot of money that time

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<v Speaker 1>of year, so I gotta book as many under the

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<v Speaker 1>table charter trips as I can. I'm trying to get

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<v Speaker 1>my mama a new dryer for Christmas, and I may

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<v Speaker 1>or may not have promised my boy Joey Campo i'd

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<v Speaker 1>buy a jet ski. Anyways, I'll see y'all next time.

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<v Speaker 1>I'll at me. So listen, all our stupid bsing aside.

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<v Speaker 1>South Louisiana and much of the Gulf Coast is really

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<v Speaker 1>coming out of what was a brutal, brutal hurricane season.

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<v Speaker 1>And while while we know that's just kind of the

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<v Speaker 1>way of life down there, life in the cone as

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<v Speaker 1>they say, um, you know, people are dealing with some

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<v Speaker 1>serious ship and trying to put the pieces back together.

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<v Speaker 1>And I think it's just a good time, a good

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<v Speaker 1>jumping up point to remind you guys that now is

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<v Speaker 1>the perfect time to book a fishing trip. If you've

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<v Speaker 1>been down there, you know the fishing is outstanding. That's

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<v Speaker 1>so good. I mean, you spent more time than I

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's it's amazing. And even for those of

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<v Speaker 1>you who aren't traveling right now, which I know a

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<v Speaker 1>lot of you aren't, this is a great opportunity to

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<v Speaker 1>put down a deposit with the quality captain and you

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<v Speaker 1>can use that when you are traveling again, right, It'll

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<v Speaker 1>it'll really help out some folks for scrambling, and it

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<v Speaker 1>will give you something to look forward to, which is

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<v Speaker 1>also beneficial. Absolutely, And we get hit up all the

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<v Speaker 1>time by listeners looking for for captain recommendations, and we're

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<v Speaker 1>always happy to help in that arena. Uh So, if

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<v Speaker 1>you need a recommendation for a captain or guide in

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<v Speaker 1>that area, hit us up. We'll be happy to point

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<v Speaker 1>you in the right direction. I've spent so much time

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<v Speaker 1>down there, I miss it dearly and my heart really

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<v Speaker 1>does break for all my buds down that way after

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<v Speaker 1>this cane season. Likewise, Yeah, and uh and since we're

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<v Speaker 1>we're talking about traveling to fish, I feel like it's

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<v Speaker 1>a good time to jump on over to fin Clips,

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<v Speaker 1>the segment where we tell you everything you never wanted

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<v Speaker 1>to know about fish you may or may not have

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<v Speaker 1>heard of. And this week, Joe's diving into the details

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<v Speaker 1>on a mythical whitefish that only lives in the Far North.

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<v Speaker 1>She fish have been called the tarpin of the North,

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<v Speaker 1>not only because they jump and pull like tarpin, but

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<v Speaker 1>because they kind of look like them too. They've got

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<v Speaker 1>dime sized, bright silver scales and a strong, extended lower

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<v Speaker 1>jaw that, when unhinged, can suck up prey with a

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<v Speaker 1>forceful vacuum, just like those poons. But tarpin are kind

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<v Speaker 1>of sort of big gass herring. She fish, on the

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<v Speaker 1>other hand, are members of the whitefish family. Matter of fact,

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<v Speaker 1>they're the biggest member of the white fish family in

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<v Speaker 1>North America, and I have been enamored with them since

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<v Speaker 1>I was six years old. That was the year someone

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<v Speaker 1>gave me a North American Fishing Club book all about

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<v Speaker 1>the freshwater species in you guessed it in North America,

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<v Speaker 1>because that's kind of their thing. But they're in the

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<v Speaker 1>first few pages was a photo of a gent mean

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<v Speaker 1>mugging on a pristine river with a sheaf fish. The book, however,

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<v Speaker 1>said they were primarily known as in canoe, which translates

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<v Speaker 1>into unknown fish and was coined by early French explorers,

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<v Speaker 1>and the sheafish is native range. Per that book, where

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<v Speaker 1>every species featured that little map of North America shaded

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<v Speaker 1>to show you where said fish lived, she fish only

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<v Speaker 1>lived way up at the tippy top of Alaska and Canada,

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<v Speaker 1>and this made little me even more intrigued by them.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the Alaska Department of Fish and Game, today,

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<v Speaker 1>she fish are most abundant in the kuska, Quim and

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<v Speaker 1>Yukon River drainages, though there are a few other populations

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<v Speaker 1>here and there in drips and drabs throughout Alaska, some

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<v Speaker 1>of which over winter in brackish estuaries, technically making shea

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<v Speaker 1>fish a nadromus, even though not all of them will

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<v Speaker 1>end up in briny water. In fact, she fish don't

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<v Speaker 1>really seem to follow any set plans. Many populations winter

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<v Speaker 1>in the low ends of rivers within deltas and bays,

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<v Speaker 1>than travel thousands of miles upstream in summer to spawn

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<v Speaker 1>an eat. Meanwhile, other populations stand one place year round

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<v Speaker 1>or migrate within a relatively small area. While long runners

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<v Speaker 1>and homebodies are genetically identical, it is important to note

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<v Speaker 1>that if you want to catch a true behemoth, like

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<v Speaker 1>a fifty plus pounder, you're going to want to target

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<v Speaker 1>the ones that winner closer to the coasts and make

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<v Speaker 1>those monster runs in and around the coastal city of

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<v Speaker 1>Seliwick just above the Arctic Circle in the northwest Arctic Borrow.

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<v Speaker 1>As an example, sixty pounders are caught with relative frequency.

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<v Speaker 1>Just you know, dress warm and if you insist on

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<v Speaker 1>a Wendy's baconator after you fish, you won't find one

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<v Speaker 1>there now. A rare trade of the shea fish is

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<v Speaker 1>their rapid growth rate. Usually fish that live in icy

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<v Speaker 1>cold water grows slowly, but inland fish can reach sixteen

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<v Speaker 1>inches by the age of two and fourteen pounds by

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<v Speaker 1>age eight. Meanwhile, while the coastal fish grow slower than

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<v Speaker 1>the inland fish, they can get much bigger, and studies

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<v Speaker 1>have shown that they live much longer than inland fish,

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<v Speaker 1>up to twenty years to be exact. Historically, she fish

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<v Speaker 1>usefulness didn't really go beyond feeding the natives and their dogs,

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<v Speaker 1>but their appeal as a target is growing year over

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<v Speaker 1>year among anglers. Alaska Locals target them with everything from

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<v Speaker 1>live bait to lures, and they even get some big

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<v Speaker 1>uns through the ice. Though their popularity is rising with

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<v Speaker 1>the flybros in particular. And that's the segue I'll use

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<v Speaker 1>to get us to Fairbanks, Alaska. In July nineteen, where

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<v Speaker 1>I was doing some pike fishing on Minto Flats with

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<v Speaker 1>my bud, Trevor Smith, I honestly didn't even realize I

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<v Speaker 1>was in she fish territory until Trevor brought up that

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<v Speaker 1>a client had lucked into one on a spoon this

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<v Speaker 1>season before. He'd been guiding the area for a few

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<v Speaker 1>years and it was the only one he'd ever seen.

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<v Speaker 1>And I lit up, but was quickly extinguished when Trevor

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<v Speaker 1>told me they were ghosts, man wanderers, very hard to pattern.

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<v Speaker 1>Here in one spot one day and gone the next.

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<v Speaker 1>Yet the next day, while fishing a confluence of two

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<v Speaker 1>creeks high about ship my pants when what I thought

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<v Speaker 1>was a big pike rolled over and revealed those silvery

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<v Speaker 1>sheat fish flanks. Trevor, she had his pants. My friend

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<v Speaker 1>John Frasier, who was along for the ride, ship his

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<v Speaker 1>pants and with soiled trousers. We all reveled in disbelief

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<v Speaker 1>at our amazing fortune. We went two for five on

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<v Speaker 1>she fish over all on the fly in that same

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<v Speaker 1>spot during the next hour and the next day, just

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<v Speaker 1>as Trevor predicted, the ravenous school was gone. It was

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<v Speaker 1>a fleeting glimpse, but still it allowed me to finally

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<v Speaker 1>close that chapter of the North American Fishing Club book

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<v Speaker 1>I've been drooling over for thirty one years. I am

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<v Speaker 1>legitimately jealous that you've caught a sheep fish. I'll also

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<v Speaker 1>say you definitely deserve that one more than I do,

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<v Speaker 1>because I have not been dreaming about them since I

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<v Speaker 1>was six. I don't know how like that's amazing, I don't.

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<v Speaker 1>I don't think I even realized they existed tells in

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<v Speaker 1>my twenties. But still they just look like such a

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<v Speaker 1>cool fish. I hope I get to catch one one

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<v Speaker 1>day off. It's super cool and and very strong, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's um If anybody here fishes in the southeast, it's

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<v Speaker 1>a very snook like eat and the water got They've

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<v Speaker 1>got like snoop like looking mouths, don't they do they?

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<v Speaker 1>You know, people call them tarp in to the north

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<v Speaker 1>that I see the similarities there and looks for sure,

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<v Speaker 1>But if you really look at their head, I thought

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<v Speaker 1>it was very snook like jaws right. And the water

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<v Speaker 1>where we were fishing when this creak came in was murky,

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<v Speaker 1>and it was you could just barely track your fly

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<v Speaker 1>a few inches under the surface, and these things would

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<v Speaker 1>ghost up out of the mark and just just suck

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<v Speaker 1>it in and go ballistic. And I have no wall

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<v Speaker 1>space left in my tiny home office, which is the

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<v Speaker 1>only room in the house that is allowed to have

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<v Speaker 1>fish mounts hanging in it. But if I did my

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<v Speaker 1>god like that, I'd commissioned a new wood carving or replican.

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<v Speaker 1>So badass, oh so jealous. You have clearly you clearly

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<v Speaker 1>bested me this week in terms of life fishing goals.

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<v Speaker 1>I will, I'll give you that. But uh, let's see

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<v Speaker 1>if I can make up some ground, maybe even even

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<v Speaker 1>the score a little bit in fish news. That escalated quickly.

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<v Speaker 1>All right, Let's do a little housekeeping here, shall we

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<v Speaker 1>before we throw down the news gauntlet. Um, we don't

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<v Speaker 1>have much for you this week other than and then

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<v Speaker 1>a holiday message of sorts. Um. That is to say,

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<v Speaker 1>we know Christmas is next Friday, but Bent Bent doesn't

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<v Speaker 1>have off for Christmas. So uh no, In case you

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<v Speaker 1>were wondering, Yes, we will be dropping the show next week.

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<v Speaker 1>Matter of fact, we're calling it something along the lines

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<v Speaker 1>of the Bent Christmas extravaganzas special, spectacular, something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>We haven't quite figured it out yet, but spectacularly special

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<v Speaker 1>for sure. Yes, move over being Crosby and the twenty

0:17:43.920 --> 0:17:47.480
<v Speaker 1>four hour you log on TV make way for for

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<v Speaker 1>this bullshit. But we did have a ton of fun

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<v Speaker 1>putting it together. And listen, while we don't expect everyone

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<v Speaker 1>to tune in on Christmas Day because you know it's

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<v Speaker 1>Christmas Day, just letting you guys know it's coming, and

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<v Speaker 1>if you catch it later after Chris is perhaps it

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<v Speaker 1>will extend the good tidings for you or something like that.

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<v Speaker 1>To steal a line from from Scrooged, you'll love it.

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<v Speaker 1>Couldn't help myself, couldn't help myself there, all right, My

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<v Speaker 1>my housekeeping this week is also kind of Christmas Eve,

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<v Speaker 1>but it's it's it is simultaneously a bit of shameless

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<v Speaker 1>self promotion, and that's not something I'm usually comfortable doing.

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<v Speaker 1>But there's a chance you might still need a Christmas gift,

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<v Speaker 1>and if you order like right now, it might actually

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<v Speaker 1>get delivered. Now there's a chance you might get in time.

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<v Speaker 1>The powers to be have asked me to inform you

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<v Speaker 1>of a book title that is now available at the

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<v Speaker 1>Mediator website and nowhere else. This is not a new book.

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<v Speaker 1>In fact, it's it's more than a decade old. But

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<v Speaker 1>it's one that I have a soft spot for because

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<v Speaker 1>I wrote it. The book is called The Alaska Chronicles,

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<v Speaker 1>an unwashed look at life, work and fly fishing. And

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<v Speaker 1>if you've ever wondered what it's actually like to work

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<v Speaker 1>as a fishing guy at a remote wilderness camp, uh,

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<v Speaker 1>this book will answer all your questions. And if you're

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<v Speaker 1>thinking about becoming one, don't read the book, or definitely

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<v Speaker 1>do read the book. Liked the truth? Is this? The

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<v Speaker 1>narrative in that is so honest that I had to

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<v Speaker 1>change all the names of everybody in the book and

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<v Speaker 1>obscure the location. And despite all that, my former employers

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<v Speaker 1>still tried to sue me and the publisher over the book,

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<v Speaker 1>but he failed and his loss can be your game.

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<v Speaker 1>So this is the second and final printing of the

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<v Speaker 1>Elastic Chronicles and all remaining copies can only be found

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<v Speaker 1>at our website. So if you need a Christmas gift,

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<v Speaker 1>go check that one out. There, you go Miles book.

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<v Speaker 1>Check it out, and while you're there, grab a mediator

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<v Speaker 1>fishing sticker, because we already know that the cost of

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<v Speaker 1>a single sticker, when it's the same as the cost

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<v Speaker 1>of the shipping, is prohibitive to you buying a single sticker.

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<v Speaker 1>Some of you have reached out, we know, but you're

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<v Speaker 1>gonna be there buying Miles book anyway, tack one on. Okay,

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<v Speaker 1>so let's get to news. Um. As most of you

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<v Speaker 1>know by now, this is a competition. Miles and I

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<v Speaker 1>do not know which news stories the other dude has found.

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<v Speaker 1>And at the end of it, our engineer, beautiful Phil,

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<v Speaker 1>he's a beautiful man. He's gonna weigh in and declare

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<v Speaker 1>a news winner and and make one of our our

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<v Speaker 1>holidays brighter. And it is your week to lead off, sir,

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<v Speaker 1>so that it is all right. My first story comes

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<v Speaker 1>from the ICE's Journal of Marine Science by way of

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<v Speaker 1>Coastal Review Online, and they dug into a study recently

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<v Speaker 1>conducted on popular fish species off the Carolina coast. One

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<v Speaker 1>of the ways the biologists monitor fish populations is through tagging. Right,

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<v Speaker 1>They catch fish, put tags in them, release those fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and then see if and where they pop up again.

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<v Speaker 1>And this is uh, this is one area where anglers

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<v Speaker 1>actually can participate in meaningful citizen science. Right If if

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<v Speaker 1>you catch a tag fish, whether you harvest it or

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<v Speaker 1>you release it, man just report it, full up your

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<v Speaker 1>local manage an agency. It's not hard to do, and

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<v Speaker 1>it really matters. It's something we can all participate in

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<v Speaker 1>to help keep track of and manage our fisheries, and

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<v Speaker 1>it's it's really really helpful that actually does make a difference.

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<v Speaker 1>So anyway, these agencies collect all these data about different

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<v Speaker 1>fish species, both from their own capturing release and from

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<v Speaker 1>recreational and commercial fishermen reporting tagg fish. The authors of

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<v Speaker 1>this new study that I read looked at tagging information

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<v Speaker 1>on several different sport fish from recent years, and they

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<v Speaker 1>reinterpreted those data through a statistical modeling method that I

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<v Speaker 1>do not understand, and they came up with some yeah,

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<v Speaker 1>yeah statistics, and I it's like magic anyway, but they

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<v Speaker 1>came up with some interesting conclusions that I do feel

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<v Speaker 1>like I can speak about a little bit. The big

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<v Speaker 1>takeaway is this fish are getting caught and released far

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<v Speaker 1>more than had been previously thought, up to seven times

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<v Speaker 1>for an individual fish, and that has some pretty significant

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<v Speaker 1>implications for how we look at tagging studies. So first,

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<v Speaker 1>here's the bad news. This might mean that we're overestimating

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<v Speaker 1>fish stocks. Fisheries managers use information on tagged fish to

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<v Speaker 1>estimate how many of a certain kind of fish live

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<v Speaker 1>in a certain area. Right, So the managers know that

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<v Speaker 1>X number of red grouper are tagged in a particular

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<v Speaker 1>area in a given season, and that why number of

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<v Speaker 1>those tag grouper are caught and reported. They then make

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<v Speaker 1>guesses about how the whole population is doing based on

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<v Speaker 1>assumptions about fishing practices, angler efficiency, and beliefs about fish mortality. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>this new study seems to be showing that some of

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<v Speaker 1>those assumptions might be wrong. Over the past few decades,

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<v Speaker 1>catch and release has become a lot more prevalent, but

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<v Speaker 1>the methods that are used to interpret population data haven't

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<v Speaker 1>necessarily caught up with that trend. So managers might be

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<v Speaker 1>assuming that a higher percentage of fish are being kept

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<v Speaker 1>than actually are, and that might make them guess that

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<v Speaker 1>the overall populations are higher than they actually are. All right, So,

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<v Speaker 1>so there's the bad news. But here's the good news.

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<v Speaker 1>It seems like released fish survive at a higher rate

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<v Speaker 1>than previously thought, at least the ones that make it

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<v Speaker 1>through their first interaction with hook and line. According to

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<v Speaker 1>Dr Jeffrey Bucknell, one of the researchers who worked on

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<v Speaker 1>the study, quote, the proportion of released fish that survived

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<v Speaker 1>appears to go up after the first release. Bucknell went

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<v Speaker 1>on to explain this is counterintuitive. We expected that the

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<v Speaker 1>effects of capture, including hooking, handling, and pressure related trauma

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<v Speaker 1>would be sort of cumulative, and that fish are more

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<v Speaker 1>likely to die after perhaps the third release compared to

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<v Speaker 1>the second. But that's not what they found. It seems

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<v Speaker 1>like fish that survived being hooked and tossed back once

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<v Speaker 1>have a better than average chance of surviving that encounter again.

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<v Speaker 1>And here's where I'm gonna get totally unscientific and make

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<v Speaker 1>a guess about why that is. My guess would be

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<v Speaker 1>that this is an example of catching and release fishing

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<v Speaker 1>influencing natural selection, and that we as anglers are impacting

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<v Speaker 1>the dynamics of the species that we fish for. The

0:24:04.640 --> 0:24:08.120
<v Speaker 1>individuals that are not fit enough or adapted well enough

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<v Speaker 1>to survive catching, release fishing, or dying the first time

0:24:10.680 --> 0:24:13.199
<v Speaker 1>they get caught, and the ones that can handle that

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<v Speaker 1>trauma are surviving and going on to get caught again,

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<v Speaker 1>as well as maybe passing those traits onto future generations.

0:24:20.440 --> 0:24:24.240
<v Speaker 1>So we might be pushing natural selection to favor fish

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<v Speaker 1>that can survive catch and release over and over again.

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<v Speaker 1>That was a very long limb that I just stepped onto.

0:24:30.600 --> 0:24:32.960
<v Speaker 1>I'm gonna gonna admit that I'm pretty sure I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>hear from some of our listeners who actually are biologists

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<v Speaker 1>telling me that I took that line of thinking way

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<v Speaker 1>past what the actual data can support. I was gonna say,

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<v Speaker 1>I was listening to going, man, this makes a lot

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<v Speaker 1>of sense, and had to remind myself that, like Miles,

0:24:43.200 --> 0:24:46.640
<v Speaker 1>is just kind of making this part up right now, Yeah,

0:24:47.200 --> 0:24:50.159
<v Speaker 1>that wasn't in the story. Nope, nope, And and I'm

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<v Speaker 1>gonna welcome all those future emails that tell me how

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<v Speaker 1>wrong I am. But lucky for me, this is a

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<v Speaker 1>fishing podcast and not a peer review journal, so I

0:24:57.520 --> 0:25:01.160
<v Speaker 1>can do exactly exactly. But just to sum this all

0:25:01.240 --> 0:25:03.680
<v Speaker 1>up again, mixed news on this study because it might

0:25:03.760 --> 0:25:06.240
<v Speaker 1>mean that that our fish stocks are actually smaller than

0:25:06.280 --> 0:25:09.080
<v Speaker 1>we think, but the catch and release fishing might also

0:25:09.160 --> 0:25:12.119
<v Speaker 1>have less detrimental impact than we thought. I got a

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<v Speaker 1>stress though, that it's a pretty small sample size this

0:25:15.600 --> 0:25:18.800
<v Speaker 1>This focused on four species of fishing one geographical area

0:25:18.880 --> 0:25:20.880
<v Speaker 1>of off Carolina coast, so I'm not trying to draw

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<v Speaker 1>too large a conclusion off of it. But I found

0:25:22.840 --> 0:25:25.359
<v Speaker 1>it pretty damn interesting, I gotta admit, Yeah, so I

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<v Speaker 1>had I had heard something about this and I think

0:25:27.080 --> 0:25:29.520
<v Speaker 1>another one was black sea bass was a part of

0:25:29.520 --> 0:25:33.360
<v Speaker 1>this black red grouper. And yeah, I mean that that's

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<v Speaker 1>sort of the only thing like that side of it

0:25:35.520 --> 0:25:38.560
<v Speaker 1>is interesting and uplifting that we might actually be toughening

0:25:38.560 --> 0:25:40.679
<v Speaker 1>our fish up because we care more about them and

0:25:40.760 --> 0:25:43.280
<v Speaker 1>let more of them go. Right. It's like, you know,

0:25:43.359 --> 0:25:46.040
<v Speaker 1>get beat up on the playground once. Next time dude

0:25:46.080 --> 0:25:49.320
<v Speaker 1>comes after you, now you're gonna start swinging back. But again,

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<v Speaker 1>like you said, like looking at the sample size and

0:25:51.240 --> 0:25:54.040
<v Speaker 1>these types of fish, these are already in my opinion,

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<v Speaker 1>at least some pretty hardy wreck and reef dwellers. That's

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<v Speaker 1>what I mean. Like group bres are tough ass, hearty

0:26:01.600 --> 0:26:04.040
<v Speaker 1>ass fish. So if we could, if we get down

0:26:04.040 --> 0:26:07.480
<v Speaker 1>the line, like does this tie in or lead to

0:26:07.640 --> 0:26:11.560
<v Speaker 1>like um, tougher brown trout, tougher rainbow trout, you know

0:26:11.560 --> 0:26:14.680
<v Speaker 1>what I mean? It could I mean if if if

0:26:14.720 --> 0:26:18.520
<v Speaker 1>your theory, which again is just the theory. Now now

0:26:18.520 --> 0:26:20.560
<v Speaker 1>we're like we're expanding on the part of it that

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<v Speaker 1>was like not the science, but not at all. I

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<v Speaker 1>I just can't help I can't help myself because it

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<v Speaker 1>would just seem like if it worked there in that small,

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<v Speaker 1>that small group. You know, why wouldn't it work elsewhere?

0:26:32.720 --> 0:26:35.560
<v Speaker 1>But I guess you could already say that nobody's seeing

0:26:35.640 --> 0:26:38.200
<v Speaker 1>much evidence of that on on trout streams or anything either,

0:26:38.359 --> 0:26:39.800
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean. Like, but it it's also

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<v Speaker 1>not counted, So how do you know? I mean, that's

0:26:42.320 --> 0:26:44.040
<v Speaker 1>the thing. It's only count in certain places, right, And

0:26:44.080 --> 0:26:45.679
<v Speaker 1>I know of one study and this is just one

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<v Speaker 1>study that was done years ago on yellowstone cutthroat trout

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<v Speaker 1>in the Yellowstone River, and they found that a lot

0:26:51.480 --> 0:26:53.720
<v Speaker 1>of those fish actually got caught up to seven times

0:26:53.720 --> 0:26:57.960
<v Speaker 1>a year because cutthroat not that smart and it's enforced

0:26:57.960 --> 0:27:00.960
<v Speaker 1>catching lease fishing for Yellowstone cutthroat on that stretch of river.

0:27:01.040 --> 0:27:04.480
<v Speaker 1>You can't keep them. So I think I'm not I'm

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<v Speaker 1>not making that leap over there, but I am going

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<v Speaker 1>to say that that some people have found in some

0:27:08.560 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>studies that they're surviving and getting caught more often than

0:27:11.560 --> 0:27:14.159
<v Speaker 1>we may have thought. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating. And the

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<v Speaker 1>only other thing I'll add to that, um, you know,

0:27:16.359 --> 0:27:18.000
<v Speaker 1>because you had mentioned like, hey, people, you know, if

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<v Speaker 1>you catch a tag fish, do the right call it in?

0:27:20.400 --> 0:27:23.639
<v Speaker 1>Like is there for? To me, it's like a badge

0:27:23.640 --> 0:27:26.240
<v Speaker 1>of honor. And I've only ever caught one tag fish

0:27:26.240 --> 0:27:27.600
<v Speaker 1>in my life and it was a striper and I

0:27:27.640 --> 0:27:29.719
<v Speaker 1>was like, oh my god, there was the tag right

0:27:29.760 --> 0:27:31.679
<v Speaker 1>And I didn't keep that fish. I didn't even take

0:27:31.720 --> 0:27:33.800
<v Speaker 1>the tag off, but I recorded everything real quick and

0:27:33.800 --> 0:27:35.840
<v Speaker 1>like I couldn't wait to call. I was like, where

0:27:35.840 --> 0:27:38.120
<v Speaker 1>has this fish been? I'm just dying to know how

0:27:38.160 --> 0:27:40.160
<v Speaker 1>far did you go? And then they were like, oh, yeah,

0:27:40.240 --> 0:27:44.760
<v Speaker 1>we tagged it yesterday and I was like, oh damn it.

0:27:45.400 --> 0:27:47.240
<v Speaker 1>I've got a couple of tag fish. And now since

0:27:47.240 --> 0:27:48.960
<v Speaker 1>you've always got your phone with you, it's super easy.

0:27:48.960 --> 0:27:50.680
<v Speaker 1>You just take a picture of the tag and like

0:27:50.760 --> 0:27:53.879
<v Speaker 1>the write anything down. So simple. Um. Yeah, I actually

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<v Speaker 1>caught one of those Yellowstone cut throat in the Yellowstone

0:27:56.280 --> 0:27:58.560
<v Speaker 1>System one time and reported that and I was not

0:27:58.600 --> 0:28:01.040
<v Speaker 1>the first person to catch it that season. And then

0:28:01.040 --> 0:28:04.679
<v Speaker 1>a bone fish and hoii those are my two tag fish. Excellent, excellent. Well,

0:28:04.680 --> 0:28:07.399
<v Speaker 1>here's what I'll say if if if you're interested in

0:28:07.480 --> 0:28:10.840
<v Speaker 1>catching the same fish multiple times, maybe, um, in order

0:28:10.840 --> 0:28:12.600
<v Speaker 1>to do that, you know, it's you have to think

0:28:12.640 --> 0:28:14.560
<v Speaker 1>outside the box in terms of the baits you give it,

0:28:14.560 --> 0:28:17.480
<v Speaker 1>because maybe it's senior ship too many times. So that's

0:28:17.480 --> 0:28:19.640
<v Speaker 1>my that's my segue into this very what I think.

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<v Speaker 1>It's a very fun little ditty that I found on

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<v Speaker 1>the website of Ohio's Country Journal, and the headline is

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<v Speaker 1>simply odd fishing baits, which is not a good headline.

0:28:28.720 --> 0:28:31.719
<v Speaker 1>Great story though, and it's by Dan Armitage and up

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<v Speaker 1>front right, it gives you a little background on the

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<v Speaker 1>app fish Brain, which I'm sure some of you are

0:28:37.160 --> 0:28:39.480
<v Speaker 1>familiar with, um, but in case you're not, this is

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<v Speaker 1>right from the story. Fish Brain is said to be

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<v Speaker 1>the world's most popular mobile app and social network for

0:28:44.920 --> 0:28:47.400
<v Speaker 1>people who enjoy angling. The free to use app, with

0:28:47.440 --> 0:28:50.960
<v Speaker 1>more than ten million users worldwide, helps create the best

0:28:50.960 --> 0:28:54.800
<v Speaker 1>possible fishing experience by providing everyone, whether beginner or pro,

0:28:54.960 --> 0:28:57.960
<v Speaker 1>with the tools, insights, and support to enjoy the world's

0:28:57.960 --> 0:29:01.320
<v Speaker 1>most popular sport. UM. I'm certainly familiar with it, but

0:29:01.360 --> 0:29:03.600
<v Speaker 1>I'm also not on it, so to be honest, I

0:29:03.640 --> 0:29:05.720
<v Speaker 1>can't really speak too much to the inner workings of

0:29:05.760 --> 0:29:08.040
<v Speaker 1>it because I'm not there. I will say I know

0:29:08.120 --> 0:29:09.920
<v Speaker 1>some people that love it. I know a whole lot

0:29:09.960 --> 0:29:12.200
<v Speaker 1>of people who despise fish Brain because they say it's

0:29:12.280 --> 0:29:15.280
<v Speaker 1>there's no greater spot burn tool on the planet. But

0:29:15.480 --> 0:29:17.440
<v Speaker 1>for the purpose of this story, that's that's neither here

0:29:17.480 --> 0:29:20.960
<v Speaker 1>nor there, right. Fish Brain recently called on that huge

0:29:21.200 --> 0:29:25.240
<v Speaker 1>user base to tell them the weirdest bait they ever

0:29:25.680 --> 0:29:29.440
<v Speaker 1>used and what they caught with it, and apparently they

0:29:29.480 --> 0:29:31.960
<v Speaker 1>got such a huge response that they were able to

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<v Speaker 1>whittle it down to the top five categories of unconventional baits,

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<v Speaker 1>which are candy, meat, chips and crackers, fruits and plants

0:29:42.040 --> 0:29:46.960
<v Speaker 1>and leaves, and finally fast food. Okay, so now those

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<v Speaker 1>categories are not overly surprising in and of themselves, but

0:29:50.480 --> 0:29:53.720
<v Speaker 1>the story pulled some user quotes within all those categories,

0:29:53.720 --> 0:29:55.440
<v Speaker 1>and I have I'm gonna read some of my faiths.

0:29:55.920 --> 0:29:59.600
<v Speaker 1>Note that I'm excluding the candy category because, as you

0:29:59.680 --> 0:30:02.480
<v Speaker 1>might get, that was all just gummy worms. Like, yeah, okay,

0:30:02.560 --> 0:30:07.280
<v Speaker 1>gummy worms. I would I would assume it was all marshmallows. No, well,

0:30:07.560 --> 0:30:10.320
<v Speaker 1>I'm sure marshmallows fell into candy. I'm sure that was

0:30:10.400 --> 0:30:12.720
<v Speaker 1>part of it. But the quotes they pulled for the story,

0:30:12.760 --> 0:30:15.000
<v Speaker 1>none of them were marshmallow. They were all gummy bears,

0:30:15.000 --> 0:30:17.640
<v Speaker 1>gummy worms and stuff. So here's one from the meat group.

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<v Speaker 1>I've been catching catfish in the lake in my neighborhood

0:30:20.520 --> 0:30:23.560
<v Speaker 1>with Sam's Club corn beef lunch meat that's from Brectal

0:30:23.640 --> 0:30:27.520
<v Speaker 1>fishing family in Florida. That one I found oddly specific,

0:30:27.720 --> 0:30:30.880
<v Speaker 1>like boar's head. Corn beef only catches the litlans. You

0:30:31.000 --> 0:30:33.600
<v Speaker 1>gotta have the Sam's Club. Okay. From the chips and

0:30:33.600 --> 0:30:37.600
<v Speaker 1>crackers category, barbecue flavored ruffles caught me some little brookies

0:30:37.640 --> 0:30:42.400
<v Speaker 1>and cutthroat. I dub Angling from Alberta, Canada said, um,

0:30:42.480 --> 0:30:44.480
<v Speaker 1>I mean that sounds like wild brookies to me. I

0:30:44.520 --> 0:30:48.640
<v Speaker 1>sprinkled some chips out there. They'll come eat um balsamic

0:30:48.760 --> 0:30:52.160
<v Speaker 1>vinegar triskets for carp Matt Buell in New Mexico. That's

0:30:52.160 --> 0:30:54.960
<v Speaker 1>a waste. Those are too delicious. They are, my friends,

0:30:55.080 --> 0:30:58.560
<v Speaker 1>my favorite trisket right there. You can't use that for

0:30:58.560 --> 0:31:00.760
<v Speaker 1>the carp bait we got. My dad once caught a

0:31:00.760 --> 0:31:03.680
<v Speaker 1>blue fish on Derrito's that's from a dude and Western

0:31:03.680 --> 0:31:05.960
<v Speaker 1>Mass and that's a blitz scenario. That's just one of

0:31:06.000 --> 0:31:08.240
<v Speaker 1>those scenarios where they're frothing the water and hit anything

0:31:08.280 --> 0:31:10.800
<v Speaker 1>that moves right, and we got one. I've seen someone

0:31:10.880 --> 0:31:14.800
<v Speaker 1>catch snapper on asparagus in Florida. Why was that on

0:31:14.840 --> 0:31:17.480
<v Speaker 1>your boat? Yo, bro, I'll bring the case of Miller.

0:31:17.480 --> 0:31:20.440
<v Speaker 1>You got the asparagus? Like why? Who? Why is there asparagus?

0:31:20.480 --> 0:31:22.920
<v Speaker 1>And fishing? And lastly, I was in Key West not

0:31:22.960 --> 0:31:25.360
<v Speaker 1>too long ago and caught Atlantic Spanish mackerel on a

0:31:25.360 --> 0:31:29.880
<v Speaker 1>Wendy Spicy chicken sandwich. The whole sandwich. Well, I'm gonna

0:31:29.880 --> 0:31:32.760
<v Speaker 1>assume it's another Blitz scenario, right, and it's pieces of

0:31:32.760 --> 0:31:34.520
<v Speaker 1>the sandwich. I think it's funnier to think of a

0:31:34.560 --> 0:31:37.480
<v Speaker 1>Spanish mac eating an entire Wendy sandwich. Um, but I

0:31:37.520 --> 0:31:39.400
<v Speaker 1>thought this was fun. And if you break it down though,

0:31:39.480 --> 0:31:42.320
<v Speaker 1>right as I've already hinted at all, these scenarios aren't

0:31:42.320 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 1>really that impressive because like brookies and blue gills eating

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:48.360
<v Speaker 1>French fries and like fired up salty fish, they will

0:31:48.400 --> 0:31:50.960
<v Speaker 1>take a shot at anything they think is food or

0:31:51.000 --> 0:31:54.120
<v Speaker 1>that moves right. In certain cases I've seen it. Maybe.

0:31:54.360 --> 0:31:57.080
<v Speaker 1>I once fed a whole tomato and two soggy ham

0:31:57.120 --> 0:31:58.960
<v Speaker 1>sandwiches and the cooler from the day before to a

0:31:59.000 --> 0:32:02.840
<v Speaker 1>school of ravenous anita in Louisiana. Just like whatever slapped

0:32:02.840 --> 0:32:05.560
<v Speaker 1>the water, it got eight catfish. There was a lot

0:32:05.560 --> 0:32:07.360
<v Speaker 1>of catfish stuff in there, of course, like you know,

0:32:07.440 --> 0:32:10.360
<v Speaker 1>they're kind of vacuum cleaners, but I doubt there were

0:32:10.440 --> 0:32:14.000
<v Speaker 1>entries like I caught at muskie walking the through wired

0:32:14.040 --> 0:32:16.440
<v Speaker 1>subway Italian b n t over a weed top, like

0:32:16.720 --> 0:32:21.160
<v Speaker 1>you know what I mean, um exactly. So I think

0:32:21.200 --> 0:32:23.480
<v Speaker 1>it's I think it's it's cool and funny to to

0:32:23.520 --> 0:32:25.360
<v Speaker 1>sort of hear some of these things people wait in with.

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<v Speaker 1>But it also got me thinking, like, what's the weirdest

0:32:27.720 --> 0:32:29.760
<v Speaker 1>bait I ever used? And I would have to say,

0:32:29.800 --> 0:32:32.880
<v Speaker 1>for me, it's it's play though, which I'm betting some

0:32:32.920 --> 0:32:35.680
<v Speaker 1>people submitted. It just didn't fit in one of those categories.

0:32:36.160 --> 0:32:38.480
<v Speaker 1>And dude, it's been a long time. But if you

0:32:38.520 --> 0:32:41.160
<v Speaker 1>think about it, it's essentially power bait minus the scent. Right,

0:32:41.160 --> 0:32:44.480
<v Speaker 1>it's totally bald ugradable, comes in any color you want,

0:32:44.880 --> 0:32:46.080
<v Speaker 1>and you bawl that up and you have ever real

0:32:46.160 --> 0:32:49.200
<v Speaker 1>nice little stocker trout bait. And I can't say that

0:32:49.280 --> 0:32:52.200
<v Speaker 1>it out fished real eggs or power bait, but it

0:32:52.360 --> 0:32:55.200
<v Speaker 1>did work. So that would be my contribution to weirdest bait.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh Man, I don't I don't have a really weird

0:33:00.240 --> 0:33:03.120
<v Speaker 1>one off the top of my head. The catfish one

0:33:03.200 --> 0:33:04.800
<v Speaker 1>made me think when I was a kid, we used

0:33:04.800 --> 0:33:09.080
<v Speaker 1>to fish a lake for channel cats and we would

0:33:09.160 --> 0:33:13.160
<v Speaker 1>use beef heart because it was cheap. Right, beef heart

0:33:13.200 --> 0:33:16.520
<v Speaker 1>was way cheaper than that lunch meets expensive, like beef

0:33:16.560 --> 0:33:19.880
<v Speaker 1>heart for next to nothing. So definitely used a lot

0:33:19.880 --> 0:33:22.200
<v Speaker 1>of that. And I remember one time, much later in life,

0:33:22.320 --> 0:33:23.960
<v Speaker 1>I was on a fish and trip at this this

0:33:24.080 --> 0:33:28.400
<v Speaker 1>beautiful trout stream in the middle of this this gorgeous

0:33:28.440 --> 0:33:31.120
<v Speaker 1>area in uh In, Argentina, of all places that I

0:33:31.160 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>got lucky enough to go to. But it got hit

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.680
<v Speaker 1>pretty hard and we were getting our teeth kicked in.

0:33:35.720 --> 0:33:37.600
<v Speaker 1>We we caught a handful of fish, but we didn't

0:33:37.600 --> 0:33:40.160
<v Speaker 1>hardly catch anything. And we're just finishing up lunch at

0:33:40.160 --> 0:33:42.360
<v Speaker 1>the spot and the guy's like, hey, watch this, and

0:33:42.400 --> 0:33:45.600
<v Speaker 1>he starts frisbeeing out chunks of bread into the current,

0:33:45.720 --> 0:33:49.840
<v Speaker 1>and these giant trout just start boiling everywhere. And I couldn't.

0:33:50.200 --> 0:33:53.480
<v Speaker 1>I could not convince those fish to eat anything I

0:33:53.520 --> 0:33:56.520
<v Speaker 1>threw at them. But man, you whip a chunk of

0:33:56.560 --> 0:33:58.080
<v Speaker 1>bread out there and get a good dead drift and

0:33:58.080 --> 0:34:00.320
<v Speaker 1>they would nail it. Oh man, did that in the

0:34:00.360 --> 0:34:02.640
<v Speaker 1>experience a little bit little you had to look at

0:34:02.680 --> 0:34:07.360
<v Speaker 1>those fish differently after that a little bit. Yeah, kind

0:34:07.360 --> 0:34:09.319
<v Speaker 1>of messed things up for but I had a great time.

0:34:09.320 --> 0:34:10.520
<v Speaker 1>It was still a lot of fun, but it was

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<v Speaker 1>it was also pretty frustrating. I just say, I just say,

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<v Speaker 1>before you move on, if if anybody else out there

0:34:15.200 --> 0:34:18.640
<v Speaker 1>has has used some really weird bait ship hit us up,

0:34:18.719 --> 0:34:21.480
<v Speaker 1>I'd love to hear about it. Absolutely shot you out.

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<v Speaker 1>So I mean, I guess the only connection I have

0:34:31.400 --> 0:34:33.759
<v Speaker 1>from that story to mind things that don't belong in

0:34:33.840 --> 0:34:35.759
<v Speaker 1>places where they end up is as close as I'm

0:34:35.800 --> 0:34:38.520
<v Speaker 1>gonna get. Wasn't that a sesame streets segment? One of

0:34:38.560 --> 0:34:42.719
<v Speaker 1>the one of these things just doesn't belong here like

0:34:42.800 --> 0:34:51.880
<v Speaker 1>the other do some counting to one terrible story? All right?

0:34:52.360 --> 0:34:55.279
<v Speaker 1>My My next story was spurred by an email we

0:34:55.320 --> 0:34:58.560
<v Speaker 1>got from listener Katherine Williamson. She caught my attention, but

0:34:59.040 --> 0:35:01.200
<v Speaker 1>you know, also kind of on me out. She wrote.

0:35:01.640 --> 0:35:03.960
<v Speaker 1>I was walking back to my car and taking a

0:35:04.000 --> 0:35:06.600
<v Speaker 1>fishing break. I stopped a little doc a favorite and

0:35:06.640 --> 0:35:09.720
<v Speaker 1>popular fishing spot, when something on the far bank caught

0:35:09.760 --> 0:35:12.520
<v Speaker 1>my eye. At first, I thought I was seeing a

0:35:12.640 --> 0:35:15.560
<v Speaker 1>dead branch hanging from a tree. When I looked closer,

0:35:15.600 --> 0:35:18.799
<v Speaker 1>I realized one it was an owl hanging by its wing,

0:35:19.160 --> 0:35:24.320
<v Speaker 1>and two it was alive. Oh yeah, So the owl

0:35:24.400 --> 0:35:27.080
<v Speaker 1>was entangled in fishing line that was attached to a

0:35:27.120 --> 0:35:29.600
<v Speaker 1>crank bait that someone had broken off and said tree.

0:35:29.960 --> 0:35:32.520
<v Speaker 1>But Katherine, you know, being the person that she is,

0:35:32.640 --> 0:35:35.400
<v Speaker 1>clearly was upset and went out there and tried to

0:35:35.440 --> 0:35:37.120
<v Speaker 1>free the owl. And she couldn't get it out on

0:35:37.120 --> 0:35:39.640
<v Speaker 1>her own. She just wasn't tall enough. I don't I

0:35:39.640 --> 0:35:41.719
<v Speaker 1>don't exactly know, but she couldn't get it out. So

0:35:42.040 --> 0:35:44.919
<v Speaker 1>I love this part. She marched into a nearby subdivision

0:35:45.239 --> 0:35:47.520
<v Speaker 1>and just started enlisting the help of strangers, like, hey,

0:35:47.520 --> 0:35:50.200
<v Speaker 1>come on, we gotta we gotta help this owl, which

0:35:50.239 --> 0:35:53.680
<v Speaker 1>is fantastic. With the help of few other people, they

0:35:53.719 --> 0:35:57.360
<v Speaker 1>eventually freed the Eastern Screech owl and they called animal

0:35:57.400 --> 0:36:00.960
<v Speaker 1>control Sadly, there's no happy ending here. The wings the

0:36:01.000 --> 0:36:04.839
<v Speaker 1>owl's wing was badly broken and it had to be euthanized. Now,

0:36:04.920 --> 0:36:08.040
<v Speaker 1>Catherine sent us this story hoping we would get the

0:36:08.080 --> 0:36:10.839
<v Speaker 1>word out about fishing line left and trees being problematic

0:36:10.880 --> 0:36:14.200
<v Speaker 1>for birds. Now, this is a sad story, but one

0:36:14.239 --> 0:36:18.200
<v Speaker 1>dead owl is not a problem. Make right. The thing is,

0:36:18.760 --> 0:36:21.600
<v Speaker 1>I've actually seen this myself more than once. It seems

0:36:21.640 --> 0:36:24.000
<v Speaker 1>like just about every year when I'm floating some of

0:36:24.160 --> 0:36:26.640
<v Speaker 1>the rivers around here during high water, I come across

0:36:26.640 --> 0:36:28.759
<v Speaker 1>a bird or two that they got wrapped up in

0:36:28.800 --> 0:36:31.319
<v Speaker 1>fishing line that's attached to a bus set off rig

0:36:31.360 --> 0:36:33.560
<v Speaker 1>that's that's in the willows, and it's you know, it's

0:36:33.560 --> 0:36:35.720
<v Speaker 1>sort of a dramatic scene, right you see their lifeless

0:36:35.760 --> 0:36:38.759
<v Speaker 1>bodies skipping on the surface and the current, and yeah,

0:36:38.760 --> 0:36:41.680
<v Speaker 1>it's it's kind of a bummer. And especially when it's

0:36:41.719 --> 0:36:44.239
<v Speaker 1>a it's a Western tanager, which I have seen, and

0:36:44.280 --> 0:36:46.719
<v Speaker 1>it's one of the prettiest birds around, and that they're

0:36:46.760 --> 0:36:49.279
<v Speaker 1>always in those willows that time of year, right, so

0:36:49.280 --> 0:36:53.560
<v Speaker 1>they're they're they're susceptible to it. It's still, again anecdotal,

0:36:53.960 --> 0:36:57.040
<v Speaker 1>not necessarily tragic or indicative of any kind of a

0:36:57.120 --> 0:37:00.520
<v Speaker 1>large scale problem. So I started doing a little to research,

0:37:00.920 --> 0:37:05.120
<v Speaker 1>and there's a ton of information about marine birds and

0:37:05.160 --> 0:37:08.640
<v Speaker 1>fishing gear, especially commercial fishing gear, but there's not much

0:37:08.640 --> 0:37:13.000
<v Speaker 1>about freshwater species and recreational fishing gear. So I dug

0:37:13.000 --> 0:37:16.279
<v Speaker 1>around for quite a while and eventually I found a

0:37:16.360 --> 0:37:20.360
<v Speaker 1>paper published in the Proceedings of the California Academy of

0:37:20.360 --> 0:37:23.399
<v Speaker 1>Science in October of this year, and it seemed like

0:37:23.560 --> 0:37:26.840
<v Speaker 1>it was looking at exactly this problem, right. This paper

0:37:26.840 --> 0:37:29.640
<v Speaker 1>started by taking a news story from earlier this year

0:37:29.680 --> 0:37:32.040
<v Speaker 1>about an oriole that had died in a similar fashion

0:37:32.040 --> 0:37:34.600
<v Speaker 1>to Katherine's owl, and like it made local news and

0:37:34.719 --> 0:37:36.840
<v Speaker 1>got a bunch of attention, and then this paper was

0:37:36.880 --> 0:37:39.520
<v Speaker 1>trying to figure out how big a problem this really is? Right,

0:37:39.560 --> 0:37:41.799
<v Speaker 1>So I'm like, oh, yeah, I found it. So here

0:37:41.840 --> 0:37:43.960
<v Speaker 1>here's an exerpt from the paper's abstract to give you

0:37:44.040 --> 0:37:47.680
<v Speaker 1>sense of what it was talking about. Literature, databases, and

0:37:47.719 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 1>the Internet were searched for other reported cases of injury

0:37:51.520 --> 0:37:55.480
<v Speaker 1>and mortality to birds from recreational fishing line. Several compilations

0:37:55.520 --> 0:37:59.200
<v Speaker 1>of bird entanglement records have appeared in recent decades. However,

0:37:59.680 --> 0:38:05.000
<v Speaker 1>these concerned marine environments, and most entanglements involved commercial fishing gear,

0:38:05.200 --> 0:38:09.640
<v Speaker 1>whereas the present paper focuses on recreational fishing gear, mostly

0:38:09.680 --> 0:38:14.680
<v Speaker 1>in freshwater and inland environments. Sweet, right, yeah, this is

0:38:14.719 --> 0:38:16.879
<v Speaker 1>gonna answer my question. I thought I thought I gotta

0:38:16.880 --> 0:38:19.279
<v Speaker 1>figure out Well I was wrong, And I'm gonna save

0:38:19.520 --> 0:38:21.440
<v Speaker 1>you all ten pages of reading and just sum it

0:38:21.520 --> 0:38:24.720
<v Speaker 1>up this way. Birds die from lots of different natural

0:38:24.760 --> 0:38:27.239
<v Speaker 1>and human cause factors. Sometimes they get to angle in

0:38:27.280 --> 0:38:29.719
<v Speaker 1>fishing line. No one knows how widespread problem this is

0:38:29.719 --> 0:38:33.680
<v Speaker 1>because no one is cataloging these events. Little little little

0:38:33.680 --> 0:38:37.759
<v Speaker 1>anticlimactic right, I got another thought here before each time

0:38:37.800 --> 0:38:40.399
<v Speaker 1>in I want to say that that despite all that

0:38:40.800 --> 0:38:43.640
<v Speaker 1>and the inconclusive nature and the how disappointed I wasn't

0:38:43.640 --> 0:38:46.200
<v Speaker 1>that paper, this is something we can affect as a

0:38:46.200 --> 0:38:49.040
<v Speaker 1>fishing community by simply taking the time and effort not

0:38:49.120 --> 0:38:52.560
<v Speaker 1>to leave gear in trees. Maybe you can afford to

0:38:52.560 --> 0:38:55.200
<v Speaker 1>buy a new knockoff rapple of crayfish pattern crank bait,

0:38:55.360 --> 0:38:58.400
<v Speaker 1>and good for you, you really made it, But maybe

0:38:58.960 --> 0:39:01.080
<v Speaker 1>the cost of the bay it shouldn't be the only

0:39:01.080 --> 0:39:03.480
<v Speaker 1>factor in deciding if you wade into the creek and

0:39:03.560 --> 0:39:06.200
<v Speaker 1>the treat of the lure. When stories about cute and

0:39:06.239 --> 0:39:09.120
<v Speaker 1>pretty birds getting caught in fishing line and hanging themselves

0:39:09.160 --> 0:39:12.279
<v Speaker 1>hit national news, which they do, it makes all of

0:39:12.400 --> 0:39:15.600
<v Speaker 1>us look bad, and it paints fishing in an unnecessarily

0:39:15.600 --> 0:39:19.480
<v Speaker 1>destructive light, regardless of how widespread this problem actually is.

0:39:19.680 --> 0:39:22.360
<v Speaker 1>And I'm going to close with one more quick personal story.

0:39:22.760 --> 0:39:24.799
<v Speaker 1>Years ago, I was guiding a couple and they were

0:39:24.880 --> 0:39:26.799
<v Speaker 1>just trying to figure out if fishing was something they

0:39:26.840 --> 0:39:28.279
<v Speaker 1>were gonna do, Like they weren't into it yet, but

0:39:28.280 --> 0:39:30.640
<v Speaker 1>they were. They were thinking about it. They were fishing curious.

0:39:31.239 --> 0:39:34.160
<v Speaker 1>Midway through the day, we saw a red wing blackbird

0:39:34.200 --> 0:39:36.120
<v Speaker 1>fluttering erratically way up in the top of this this

0:39:36.200 --> 0:39:38.279
<v Speaker 1>Russian olive tree, and we went over to check it out.

0:39:38.800 --> 0:39:41.160
<v Speaker 1>The bird was tangled in some leader that was attached

0:39:41.160 --> 0:39:43.360
<v Speaker 1>to a big white streamer. I climbed the tree and

0:39:43.400 --> 0:39:45.400
<v Speaker 1>I freed the bird, which flew away strongly I think

0:39:45.480 --> 0:39:49.279
<v Speaker 1>was okay, and I retreated the lure. Those clients went

0:39:49.320 --> 0:39:51.520
<v Speaker 1>on to fish with me for a decade, like they

0:39:51.560 --> 0:39:53.319
<v Speaker 1>got into it after that, And I'm not saying that

0:39:53.360 --> 0:39:56.160
<v Speaker 1>was why, but it definitely they had a very positive

0:39:56.160 --> 0:39:58.759
<v Speaker 1>experience that first shot, and they never forgot free in

0:39:58.800 --> 0:40:01.960
<v Speaker 1>that bird. A Additionally, I later went on to catch

0:40:01.960 --> 0:40:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a two foot brown trout on that exact same streamer

0:40:05.160 --> 0:40:07.000
<v Speaker 1>that I had plucked from the tree. And so my

0:40:07.080 --> 0:40:09.879
<v Speaker 1>point is, Karma, take the time to pull the gear

0:40:09.920 --> 0:40:11.920
<v Speaker 1>on the trees, whether it's yours or not. You might

0:40:11.960 --> 0:40:15.240
<v Speaker 1>save a bird, You might save fishing from bad press.

0:40:15.480 --> 0:40:17.640
<v Speaker 1>And you might score a sweet new lure, so just

0:40:17.680 --> 0:40:20.600
<v Speaker 1>go ahead and do it. Yeah, I mean you basically

0:40:20.680 --> 0:40:22.799
<v Speaker 1>hit on it birds aside, Like we shouldn't have to

0:40:22.800 --> 0:40:24.719
<v Speaker 1>tell you just to pick up your ship and don't

0:40:24.760 --> 0:40:27.239
<v Speaker 1>leave anything out there for for any reason. And I

0:40:27.239 --> 0:40:29.880
<v Speaker 1>can honestly say, man, I have never encountered a bird

0:40:30.200 --> 0:40:33.520
<v Speaker 1>wrapped in fishing line anywhere, but it it is. It

0:40:33.640 --> 0:40:38.080
<v Speaker 1>is interesting to me because like a stock image of

0:40:38.200 --> 0:40:40.920
<v Speaker 1>East Coast fishing in many places is like a power

0:40:40.960 --> 0:40:45.359
<v Speaker 1>line just wrapped in fishing line, you know what I mean,

0:40:45.360 --> 0:40:48.400
<v Speaker 1>Like that's like a stock like it's It's just there

0:40:48.680 --> 0:40:51.640
<v Speaker 1>are places that I fish now that I fished recently

0:40:52.400 --> 0:40:54.880
<v Speaker 1>where you know, we're out there in a boat, but

0:40:54.920 --> 0:40:56.480
<v Speaker 1>you have guys that hit it on the bank. And

0:40:56.520 --> 0:40:59.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean we could just go tree to tree to tree,

0:41:00.320 --> 0:41:02.279
<v Speaker 1>and we do and we get all kinds of free

0:41:02.320 --> 0:41:06.000
<v Speaker 1>new lawres and things like that. So I'm very cognizant

0:41:06.080 --> 0:41:09.959
<v Speaker 1>of that. I try to leave nothing in trees, nothing behind. Um.

0:41:10.040 --> 0:41:11.640
<v Speaker 1>You know, the only time it gets you is when

0:41:12.040 --> 0:41:15.040
<v Speaker 1>you're you're fishing on shore, casting across a river or

0:41:15.040 --> 0:41:17.839
<v Speaker 1>something you can't cross. It sort of is what it is,

0:41:17.920 --> 0:41:21.759
<v Speaker 1>you know, I've just never seen it, but I'm sure

0:41:21.800 --> 0:41:24.000
<v Speaker 1>birds out here get wrapped up probably more often birds

0:41:24.000 --> 0:41:25.920
<v Speaker 1>out there, because this is a ship a little more

0:41:25.960 --> 0:41:28.160
<v Speaker 1>line and tree. And I'm not talking about some seven

0:41:28.360 --> 0:41:32.319
<v Speaker 1>X I'm talking about like forty pound snagging mono, you

0:41:32.320 --> 0:41:36.640
<v Speaker 1>know what I mean. So yeah, yeah, I I don't

0:41:36.680 --> 0:41:38.360
<v Speaker 1>have a defendi events on how often this happens. It

0:41:38.400 --> 0:41:40.279
<v Speaker 1>happens enough that I've seen it. It happens enough that

0:41:40.320 --> 0:41:42.799
<v Speaker 1>it hits national news from time to time. Are there

0:41:42.800 --> 0:41:44.439
<v Speaker 1>cases where you're not gonna be able to get it back? Yeah,

0:41:44.440 --> 0:41:46.640
<v Speaker 1>of course, far side of the river, or if you're

0:41:46.640 --> 0:41:48.960
<v Speaker 1>in really swift current in a boat and you can't stop, Like,

0:41:49.000 --> 0:41:51.960
<v Speaker 1>I get it, it happens. I'm not demonizing anybody who's

0:41:52.000 --> 0:41:54.120
<v Speaker 1>ever done this before. I'm just saying like, if you

0:41:54.160 --> 0:41:57.239
<v Speaker 1>can make the effort, try and get it out, and

0:41:57.280 --> 0:41:59.439
<v Speaker 1>if you see one that isn't yours that you can get,

0:41:59.520 --> 0:42:02.120
<v Speaker 1>go get it. It's pretty simple. Or also, you know,

0:42:02.200 --> 0:42:04.120
<v Speaker 1>maybe learn how to cast better, Like how many people

0:42:04.120 --> 0:42:07.480
<v Speaker 1>have you seen like overthrow on eight casts in a row.

0:42:07.640 --> 0:42:10.880
<v Speaker 1>It's like, dude, your depth perception is that shitty, Like

0:42:10.920 --> 0:42:15.680
<v Speaker 1>it can't be that shitty anyway, although from saving birds

0:42:15.880 --> 0:42:20.719
<v Speaker 1>to saving stripe bess um, but not without issue. This

0:42:20.760 --> 0:42:22.440
<v Speaker 1>one hits close to home. But I think this is

0:42:22.440 --> 0:42:25.160
<v Speaker 1>a good because it drums up some debate. And this

0:42:25.239 --> 0:42:27.480
<v Speaker 1>is I'm pulling my info here from the website of

0:42:27.480 --> 0:42:30.239
<v Speaker 1>the Fisherman magazine East Coast mag I've been reading that

0:42:30.239 --> 0:42:33.400
<v Speaker 1>since I was a little kid, um and from the

0:42:33.440 --> 0:42:37.400
<v Speaker 1>story I'll just jump right in here. Approved in October nineteen,

0:42:37.480 --> 0:42:41.640
<v Speaker 1>the change to the Atlantic Stripe Bass Interstate Fishery Management Plan,

0:42:41.920 --> 0:42:46.719
<v Speaker 1>otherwise known as the f MP, implemented coastwide harvest reductions

0:42:46.719 --> 0:42:50.920
<v Speaker 1>put in place in while also requiring the mandatory use

0:42:50.960 --> 0:42:54.440
<v Speaker 1>of circle hooks when fishing with bait to reduce release

0:42:54.520 --> 0:42:59.440
<v Speaker 1>mortality and recreational stripe bass fisheries. And as per this

0:42:59.520 --> 0:43:03.919
<v Speaker 1>Fisheries Management Plan, states are required to implement circle hook

0:43:04.000 --> 0:43:09.920
<v Speaker 1>requirements by January one. Okay, now, I'm gonna guess that

0:43:10.000 --> 0:43:12.320
<v Speaker 1>I know how you feel about this, having talked to

0:43:12.360 --> 0:43:16.040
<v Speaker 1>you about circle hooks, but maybe I'm wrong. Well yeah,

0:43:16.320 --> 0:43:20.120
<v Speaker 1>well I'm gonna tell you how I feel. But but look,

0:43:20.160 --> 0:43:22.560
<v Speaker 1>this is big news here, right, And to be clear,

0:43:22.640 --> 0:43:24.719
<v Speaker 1>this is not a Jersey story. This is not a

0:43:24.800 --> 0:43:30.680
<v Speaker 1>Massachusetts story. Every Atlantic state on that that has coastal

0:43:30.880 --> 0:43:33.439
<v Speaker 1>you know, that's that's coastal, like the water touches the state.

0:43:33.480 --> 0:43:36.080
<v Speaker 1>You know what I'm saying that has a stripe bass fishery.

0:43:36.160 --> 0:43:41.200
<v Speaker 1>This applies to oh yeah totally. And while at the surface,

0:43:41.400 --> 0:43:44.520
<v Speaker 1>right it seems like an automatic win and many anglers

0:43:44.520 --> 0:43:47.879
<v Speaker 1>feel that it certainly is and this is very long overdo,

0:43:48.080 --> 0:43:51.160
<v Speaker 1>but it's also kind of ruffling some feathers. So now,

0:43:51.280 --> 0:43:53.400
<v Speaker 1>now personally, I'll get into my thoughts here. I I

0:43:53.440 --> 0:43:56.560
<v Speaker 1>do actually think this is a good thing. But the

0:43:56.600 --> 0:43:59.120
<v Speaker 1>way I'd put it as it pertains to my striper

0:43:59.120 --> 0:44:04.040
<v Speaker 1>fishing um is I'll be able to work around its caveats,

0:44:04.080 --> 0:44:06.440
<v Speaker 1>I think, and that will make more sense as as

0:44:06.480 --> 0:44:09.719
<v Speaker 1>I continue, because the reality with this is it's just

0:44:09.960 --> 0:44:13.080
<v Speaker 1>not as cut and dry as it seems on paper. Uh.

0:44:13.120 --> 0:44:16.080
<v Speaker 1>And that's because natural baits play a much bigger role

0:44:16.200 --> 0:44:19.680
<v Speaker 1>in striper fishing than than simply putting a chunk or

0:44:19.680 --> 0:44:21.880
<v Speaker 1>an eel or a live mullet on a single hook

0:44:22.360 --> 0:44:24.960
<v Speaker 1>and casting it out. You know, like it's really easy

0:44:25.000 --> 0:44:26.160
<v Speaker 1>to think of it in terms of a piece of

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:27.960
<v Speaker 1>bait or a live bait on a hook. And now

0:44:28.040 --> 0:44:30.920
<v Speaker 1>it goes. So this whole circle hooks deal was up

0:44:30.960 --> 0:44:33.480
<v Speaker 1>for final debate this fall, and to give you an

0:44:33.520 --> 0:44:37.000
<v Speaker 1>idea of what I mean, some states asked for exemptions

0:44:37.120 --> 0:44:39.760
<v Speaker 1>for certain lures and methods. One of the more notable

0:44:39.840 --> 0:44:42.560
<v Speaker 1>was tube and worm. Main asked for that to be exempt.

0:44:42.600 --> 0:44:45.319
<v Speaker 1>And that's where you use these long rubber tubes with

0:44:45.360 --> 0:44:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a treble hook on the back end, and that treble

0:44:47.200 --> 0:44:49.879
<v Speaker 1>hook is tipped with a sand worm or blood worm.

0:44:49.920 --> 0:44:52.360
<v Speaker 1>And yeah, it's an old school method, been around a

0:44:52.400 --> 0:44:55.720
<v Speaker 1>long time and it catches a lot of stripers. Massachusetts

0:44:55.840 --> 0:44:58.399
<v Speaker 1>asked that it not applied to anyone fishing on four

0:44:58.520 --> 0:45:03.520
<v Speaker 1>higher vessels. But ultimately all of this was shot down right,

0:45:03.960 --> 0:45:05.719
<v Speaker 1>and this is from the story in the Fisherman. No

0:45:05.840 --> 0:45:08.759
<v Speaker 1>exemptions were made for gear type or user group, and

0:45:08.800 --> 0:45:13.360
<v Speaker 1>therefore this regulation includes shore bound private boat and anglers

0:45:13.400 --> 0:45:18.200
<v Speaker 1>onboard for higher vessels coastwide with no gear and this

0:45:18.239 --> 0:45:21.880
<v Speaker 1>is where things get sticky with no gear type exemptions allowed.

0:45:22.200 --> 0:45:26.040
<v Speaker 1>The new circle hook requirement in place includes, but is

0:45:26.080 --> 0:45:29.799
<v Speaker 1>not limited to, such angling techniques as tube and worm,

0:45:29.920 --> 0:45:34.080
<v Speaker 1>ill skin rigs, rig deals, the addition of a pork rind, squid,

0:45:34.160 --> 0:45:38.239
<v Speaker 1>et cetera, to a bucktail jig and yeah, right, and

0:45:38.440 --> 0:45:41.440
<v Speaker 1>all other scenarios where a natural bait is added to

0:45:41.600 --> 0:45:46.919
<v Speaker 1>an artificial lure when targeting stripe bass. That's huge, right,

0:45:47.040 --> 0:45:48.960
<v Speaker 1>So that's what That's what I was talking about when

0:45:48.960 --> 0:45:52.840
<v Speaker 1>I said I can work around it personally. Yes, tipping

0:45:52.840 --> 0:45:55.960
<v Speaker 1>a bucktail with pork rinds or bait strips very common

0:45:56.000 --> 0:45:58.880
<v Speaker 1>method here, right, But I'm not going to freak out

0:45:58.960 --> 0:46:01.160
<v Speaker 1>personally about only being able to tip a bucktail with

0:46:01.200 --> 0:46:04.840
<v Speaker 1>a soft plastic right. Again, just just me, not speaking

0:46:04.840 --> 0:46:07.600
<v Speaker 1>for every striper angler on the coast. I don't troll

0:46:07.760 --> 0:46:11.320
<v Speaker 1>tube and worm doesn't affect me. I don't fish rig deals.

0:46:11.360 --> 0:46:13.520
<v Speaker 1>I can live without it. But I also fully understand

0:46:13.880 --> 0:46:16.480
<v Speaker 1>why this would drive other dudes to madness. Like if

0:46:16.520 --> 0:46:18.719
<v Speaker 1>those are your go to depending on where you are

0:46:18.760 --> 0:46:21.520
<v Speaker 1>on the coast, and that's what you rely on to

0:46:21.640 --> 0:46:24.640
<v Speaker 1>catch your fish, I get it. But here's where it

0:46:24.640 --> 0:46:27.520
<v Speaker 1>gets personal. Okay, this is the interesting one, and I'm

0:46:27.600 --> 0:46:29.080
<v Speaker 1>dying to hear what you have to say about this.

0:46:29.719 --> 0:46:32.640
<v Speaker 1>The biggest question right now, particularly in Jersey and New York,

0:46:32.760 --> 0:46:35.879
<v Speaker 1>is with snag hooks and this this affects me, right,

0:46:35.960 --> 0:46:39.040
<v Speaker 1>So Man Hayden, which we call bunker. That's the primary

0:46:39.040 --> 0:46:41.000
<v Speaker 1>food source of big stripers in our area, and we

0:46:41.000 --> 0:46:42.400
<v Speaker 1>get a run of them in the spring and a

0:46:42.480 --> 0:46:44.759
<v Speaker 1>run to them in the fall with the best. And

0:46:44.840 --> 0:46:46.880
<v Speaker 1>keep in mind, these are big bait fish, right. A

0:46:46.920 --> 0:46:50.160
<v Speaker 1>bunker can be twelve inches long. This is a big bait, uh.

0:46:50.200 --> 0:46:52.640
<v Speaker 1>And one of the most common ways to use them

0:46:52.680 --> 0:46:55.040
<v Speaker 1>is a method we call snagging drop. So you got

0:46:55.040 --> 0:46:57.920
<v Speaker 1>all the bunker out there in a school, you fire

0:46:57.960 --> 0:47:00.959
<v Speaker 1>off a big weighted treble hook into one sweep the rod,

0:47:01.160 --> 0:47:03.879
<v Speaker 1>snag a bait, then you open the bail and now,

0:47:03.920 --> 0:47:07.360
<v Speaker 1>because that trouble hooks waited your your bunker just falls

0:47:07.640 --> 0:47:11.520
<v Speaker 1>right below the school, acting all wounded and yet and

0:47:11.560 --> 0:47:15.239
<v Speaker 1>the stripers just eat it right and you know, two outsiders.

0:47:15.280 --> 0:47:17.760
<v Speaker 1>It might sound a little barbaric, but it's it's super

0:47:17.800 --> 0:47:21.680
<v Speaker 1>common here. Every shop sells snag rigs highly effective. But

0:47:21.760 --> 0:47:25.279
<v Speaker 1>here's my dilemma. I don't really snagg and drop, and

0:47:25.360 --> 0:47:28.440
<v Speaker 1>I never liked it for multiple reasons, one being like,

0:47:28.480 --> 0:47:30.160
<v Speaker 1>I'm just not always looking for meat in the box

0:47:30.160 --> 0:47:32.960
<v Speaker 1>when I striper fish, so I don't want a striper

0:47:33.040 --> 0:47:36.719
<v Speaker 1>to inhale a giant trouble hook. But even more so,

0:47:36.960 --> 0:47:39.839
<v Speaker 1>I've always been really particular about where a hook is

0:47:39.920 --> 0:47:42.799
<v Speaker 1>in my bunker. Um, And when you snag, you don't

0:47:42.800 --> 0:47:44.920
<v Speaker 1>know is it in the tail, is it in the gills?

0:47:44.960 --> 0:47:47.720
<v Speaker 1>Will it be dead in a minute. So while I snag,

0:47:48.400 --> 0:47:50.919
<v Speaker 1>I zip the bait back in, send it back out

0:47:50.960 --> 0:47:53.359
<v Speaker 1>on a single hook pin right behind the dorsal fin.

0:47:53.840 --> 0:47:56.160
<v Speaker 1>And that's just because I believe bass eat headfirst most

0:47:56.160 --> 0:47:57.560
<v Speaker 1>of the time, and the hook pulls out of that

0:47:57.640 --> 0:48:02.040
<v Speaker 1>soft meat, real easy um out. You know, if you're

0:48:02.040 --> 0:48:05.280
<v Speaker 1>not snagging bunker right, you've got a cast at them,

0:48:05.320 --> 0:48:09.120
<v Speaker 1>which is a whole other headache and not always very easy.

0:48:09.320 --> 0:48:11.520
<v Speaker 1>And point blank, dude, I can't throw a cast net

0:48:11.840 --> 0:48:18.200
<v Speaker 1>like that's something I never learned exactly right, So I

0:48:18.239 --> 0:48:21.719
<v Speaker 1>never learned how to do that. But now right, technically,

0:48:22.400 --> 0:48:25.160
<v Speaker 1>even though I am only snagging for the purpose of

0:48:25.200 --> 0:48:29.120
<v Speaker 1>getting bait, I can't do it. Well. Wait, so in

0:48:29.160 --> 0:48:31.319
<v Speaker 1>the time between the snagging or trial to the boat,

0:48:31.480 --> 0:48:33.680
<v Speaker 1>that's a live bait out there, not on a circle hook.

0:48:33.719 --> 0:48:37.160
<v Speaker 1>And hell yeah, like your bunker gets trashed while you're

0:48:37.160 --> 0:48:39.920
<v Speaker 1>reeling in, even if you're burning it in. It happens

0:48:39.960 --> 0:48:42.120
<v Speaker 1>all the time. And this has sparked a bunch of debate.

0:48:42.480 --> 0:48:45.520
<v Speaker 1>But but you said, now you can't. We don't know, right,

0:48:45.640 --> 0:48:48.840
<v Speaker 1>Snagging drop is like the outlier that has not really

0:48:48.880 --> 0:48:52.680
<v Speaker 1>been addressed, is snagging drop out? Can I snag but

0:48:52.800 --> 0:48:56.400
<v Speaker 1>not drop? And as far as I'm aware of what

0:48:56.520 --> 0:48:59.839
<v Speaker 1>I can find, there is no official answer yet. But

0:49:00.080 --> 0:49:02.239
<v Speaker 1>you know all other local methods decide for many guys

0:49:02.280 --> 0:49:06.520
<v Speaker 1>like me, dude, If you ban bunkers snagging altogether, short

0:49:06.520 --> 0:49:09.440
<v Speaker 1>of really dialing in my cast net game, which also

0:49:09.560 --> 0:49:11.560
<v Speaker 1>I mean, then you also have to find bunker in

0:49:11.600 --> 0:49:17.560
<v Speaker 1>a cast nettable scenario. Right. Short of all that, if they,

0:49:17.600 --> 0:49:21.160
<v Speaker 1>if they, if it goes away, I can't really live

0:49:21.200 --> 0:49:24.440
<v Speaker 1>bunker fish anymore, which is a really exciting way to fish,

0:49:24.520 --> 0:49:26.439
<v Speaker 1>like as live bait fishing goes. That's a big gass

0:49:26.480 --> 0:49:28.920
<v Speaker 1>bait and you know, like you feel the tailbeat pick

0:49:29.000 --> 0:49:31.359
<v Speaker 1>up and they get wet. It's fun as shit. I

0:49:31.400 --> 0:49:34.400
<v Speaker 1>love it dearly. Um, but there's there's a lot of

0:49:34.440 --> 0:49:37.160
<v Speaker 1>gray area at the moment. And um, I'll just close

0:49:37.200 --> 0:49:39.600
<v Speaker 1>out by saying, you know, it was pointed out to

0:49:39.640 --> 0:49:41.880
<v Speaker 1>me by a buddy who actually works at the Fisherman

0:49:41.920 --> 0:49:44.880
<v Speaker 1>that Virginia as an example, um they've they've had a

0:49:44.960 --> 0:49:46.359
<v Speaker 1>law in the books for a long time that you

0:49:46.400 --> 0:49:50.640
<v Speaker 1>can't snag any bait fish. So are we ultimately headed there?

0:49:50.920 --> 0:49:54.240
<v Speaker 1>You know, don't know, maybe, but there's there's haziness for sure,

0:49:54.480 --> 0:49:58.080
<v Speaker 1>you know, even though the big picture should be good.

0:49:58.200 --> 0:50:00.560
<v Speaker 1>But as you hinted too earlier, there's also a lot

0:50:00.560 --> 0:50:03.640
<v Speaker 1>of guys throwing out the whole like circle hooks, gut

0:50:03.640 --> 0:50:06.000
<v Speaker 1>hooked more stripers than jay hooks, which is you know,

0:50:06.000 --> 0:50:08.000
<v Speaker 1>it's a whole other debate. Yeah, we don't have time

0:50:08.000 --> 0:50:10.799
<v Speaker 1>to get into the hook debate. You took this in

0:50:10.800 --> 0:50:13.920
<v Speaker 1>a different direction. Um Man. I don't feel like I

0:50:13.960 --> 0:50:16.600
<v Speaker 1>know enough to make an informed statement on any of this,

0:50:16.960 --> 0:50:19.640
<v Speaker 1>except to say, anytime you start trying to put in

0:50:19.719 --> 0:50:24.279
<v Speaker 1>regulations like this, you're gonna wind up having issues like

0:50:24.320 --> 0:50:26.719
<v Speaker 1>the one you're talking about. Right. The whole idea behind

0:50:26.760 --> 0:50:29.320
<v Speaker 1>them saying no exemptions was to clear up gray area,

0:50:30.320 --> 0:50:34.279
<v Speaker 1>and yet gray area remains. And so I think I

0:50:34.320 --> 0:50:37.239
<v Speaker 1>would say that I do not envy the folks trying

0:50:37.239 --> 0:50:41.160
<v Speaker 1>to manage that fishery at all, because what a terrible,

0:50:41.239 --> 0:50:44.680
<v Speaker 1>thankless job that is. And and also I don't know

0:50:44.800 --> 0:50:47.120
<v Speaker 1>that I could come up with a better solution, right.

0:50:47.160 --> 0:50:50.120
<v Speaker 1>I think that taking away the exemptions was smart because

0:50:50.160 --> 0:50:53.239
<v Speaker 1>otherwise it would be even an even bigger nightmare. But

0:50:53.440 --> 0:50:56.000
<v Speaker 1>you still wind up with these very specific cases that

0:50:56.040 --> 0:50:58.520
<v Speaker 1>have to be figured out. Yeah, and that's the problem,

0:50:58.520 --> 0:51:00.560
<v Speaker 1>like it has to it has to blank everything. But

0:51:00.600 --> 0:51:03.319
<v Speaker 1>there's these just these little sort of like pain in

0:51:03.320 --> 0:51:06.479
<v Speaker 1>the assid things that you can't really overlook. Years ago

0:51:06.960 --> 0:51:09.520
<v Speaker 1>bill fish tournaments, they said, if you're using natural bait

0:51:09.600 --> 0:51:11.759
<v Speaker 1>like bally who, you had to use circles and remember

0:51:11.760 --> 0:51:14.759
<v Speaker 1>a certain and if I'm not mistaken, that went away

0:51:14.800 --> 0:51:17.120
<v Speaker 1>because guys were just like, I appreciate what you're doing,

0:51:17.120 --> 0:51:19.920
<v Speaker 1>but like, we can't hook the billfish that way. You know,

0:51:19.960 --> 0:51:22.759
<v Speaker 1>you're not gonna make a bucktail with a circle hook

0:51:22.800 --> 0:51:27.359
<v Speaker 1>on it. So that's what I mean. It works with

0:51:27.520 --> 0:51:30.480
<v Speaker 1>a bait live or dead on a hook cast out

0:51:30.480 --> 0:51:33.280
<v Speaker 1>by itself. But there's so many other things that involved

0:51:33.320 --> 0:51:36.440
<v Speaker 1>natural bait. We'll see what happens. Time will tell you know, yep,

0:51:36.600 --> 0:51:39.239
<v Speaker 1>And and I hope you'll give us a report back

0:51:39.560 --> 0:51:42.120
<v Speaker 1>once once you get through that season, once that you know,

0:51:42.200 --> 0:51:44.279
<v Speaker 1>into next year. I don't see how it's going. But

0:51:44.440 --> 0:51:46.279
<v Speaker 1>in the meantime, we're going to hear from our all

0:51:46.320 --> 0:51:49.160
<v Speaker 1>knowing and all powerful filled the Engineer about who has

0:51:49.200 --> 0:51:52.359
<v Speaker 1>emerged victorious this week. And after that, we're gonna head

0:51:52.360 --> 0:51:54.759
<v Speaker 1>out onto the ice and relive a rather awkward moment

0:51:54.800 --> 0:51:57.719
<v Speaker 1>involving a pike, a couple of dudes, and an unnecessary

0:51:57.760 --> 0:52:03.840
<v Speaker 1>piece of equipment for giving me a new and exciting

0:52:03.960 --> 0:52:07.120
<v Speaker 1>use for the seventeen jars of rock Hard Plato in

0:52:07.120 --> 0:52:11.960
<v Speaker 1>my closet. Joe Surmeli, You're the winner this week. I

0:52:12.000 --> 0:52:15.200
<v Speaker 1>am also holding a survey on the social media, so

0:52:15.280 --> 0:52:18.040
<v Speaker 1>please visit my Instagram stories and let me know which

0:52:18.080 --> 0:52:20.120
<v Speaker 1>snacks will make the least amount of mess in my

0:52:20.200 --> 0:52:22.600
<v Speaker 1>bed sheets While I binge The Queen's Gambit on Netflix

0:52:22.600 --> 0:52:26.920
<v Speaker 1>this Sunday, Why did you take a picture a lave?

0:52:30.800 --> 0:52:33.719
<v Speaker 1>This week's awkward moment in angling comes to us from

0:52:33.800 --> 0:52:38.160
<v Speaker 1>listener Mike Mancini and Mike. Mike actually sent a couple photos,

0:52:38.239 --> 0:52:40.520
<v Speaker 1>but but one of them is not of himself. It's

0:52:40.560 --> 0:52:42.960
<v Speaker 1>of his wife, and we're not totally sure that she

0:52:43.080 --> 0:52:45.440
<v Speaker 1>gave her permission for him to send that in for

0:52:45.560 --> 0:52:48.360
<v Speaker 1>us to roasted. So, dude, I'm glad you brought that

0:52:48.440 --> 0:52:50.400
<v Speaker 1>up because in fairness. When we started this set, when

0:52:50.400 --> 0:52:51.920
<v Speaker 1>we were like, if you have whacked out pictures of

0:52:51.960 --> 0:52:55.319
<v Speaker 1>your friends, send them along too, actually asked them first,

0:52:55.760 --> 0:52:58.120
<v Speaker 1>because that's that's like legal ship or something that we

0:52:58.160 --> 0:53:01.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't think about when we said it, so lawyers. We're

0:53:02.000 --> 0:53:05.520
<v Speaker 1>definitely not lawyers. But even though we're not using that

0:53:05.719 --> 0:53:08.360
<v Speaker 1>that that other image, Mike, we do appreciate you sending

0:53:08.400 --> 0:53:12.200
<v Speaker 1>it because we like options. The options are good, totally, totally.

0:53:12.239 --> 0:53:13.800
<v Speaker 1>It is always good to have variety. In case you

0:53:13.880 --> 0:53:15.600
<v Speaker 1>missed it, that's kind of our stick here on the day.

0:53:15.640 --> 0:53:18.520
<v Speaker 1>It's a variety show. Whether you love or hate it,

0:53:18.560 --> 0:53:20.120
<v Speaker 1>it'll be over in a minute and we'll be onto

0:53:20.200 --> 0:53:23.359
<v Speaker 1>something else. Anyway. We chose this image for a few reasons. First,

0:53:23.719 --> 0:53:26.160
<v Speaker 1>it's an ice fishing shot, and since we're heading into

0:53:26.200 --> 0:53:29.759
<v Speaker 1>ice season at least maybe maybe depending on that. I

0:53:29.920 --> 0:53:32.520
<v Speaker 1>keep hearing a lot about this Lanninia thing this year.

0:53:32.840 --> 0:53:34.960
<v Speaker 1>Bust out, put away your mittens, bust out your shorts,

0:53:35.000 --> 0:53:37.719
<v Speaker 1>New Jersey. Um, we're trying to make sure that the

0:53:37.760 --> 0:53:40.840
<v Speaker 1>hard water crowd is adequately represented because even though I

0:53:40.880 --> 0:53:42.520
<v Speaker 1>think it's fair to say Miles and I aren't like

0:53:42.640 --> 0:53:46.320
<v Speaker 1>ice masters, we we've We've spent plenty of time huddled

0:53:46.400 --> 0:53:48.520
<v Speaker 1>over a hole on a frozen lake. I've been known

0:53:48.600 --> 0:53:51.600
<v Speaker 1>to run full board for the close flags at least

0:53:52.080 --> 0:53:54.600
<v Speaker 1>and uh, you know, maybe on occasion crack a beer

0:53:54.920 --> 0:53:58.080
<v Speaker 1>out there. So I've definitely done that. I have. I

0:53:58.560 --> 0:54:01.160
<v Speaker 1>will say this though, like and I've said it before,

0:54:01.280 --> 0:54:03.280
<v Speaker 1>but I'm gonna say it again. I think ice fishing

0:54:03.400 --> 0:54:06.200
<v Speaker 1>is just often and too often portrayed as an excuse

0:54:06.280 --> 0:54:09.120
<v Speaker 1>to drink. And I keep bringing this up because I

0:54:09.360 --> 0:54:11.759
<v Speaker 1>I thought that before I started ice fishing. I was like, dude,

0:54:11.800 --> 0:54:13.840
<v Speaker 1>that's just a reason to go, like drink whiskey and

0:54:13.880 --> 0:54:15.960
<v Speaker 1>a shanty and pretend like you're doing something. But I

0:54:16.080 --> 0:54:20.200
<v Speaker 1>was wrong, and and there's actually there's actually a lot

0:54:20.239 --> 0:54:22.239
<v Speaker 1>to it. Ice fishing could be pretty technical, and I

0:54:22.320 --> 0:54:24.479
<v Speaker 1>think if you're hammered, you're probably not gonna be fishing

0:54:24.480 --> 0:54:27.160
<v Speaker 1>that well, you probably won't do all that well yeah, no, no, no,

0:54:27.280 --> 0:54:29.680
<v Speaker 1>I agree. But hold on though, because Mike's photo actually

0:54:30.320 --> 0:54:33.640
<v Speaker 1>might suggest otherwise to the contrary of everything you just said.

0:54:33.960 --> 0:54:36.520
<v Speaker 1>Because the second reason we picked this one is that

0:54:36.800 --> 0:54:40.319
<v Speaker 1>Mike's holding a legitimately good fish. Man. You know, that's

0:54:40.360 --> 0:54:44.000
<v Speaker 1>a solid Pike's a healthy, healthy pike. It is. It's

0:54:44.000 --> 0:54:47.200
<v Speaker 1>a respectable pike, or at least it looks pretty respectable,

0:54:47.280 --> 0:54:49.640
<v Speaker 1>but it's kind of hard to tell with all the

0:54:49.760 --> 0:54:53.640
<v Speaker 1>hands covering up the body. Because here's the other thing.

0:54:53.840 --> 0:54:56.359
<v Speaker 1>Here's where we go on a different track. Mike isn't

0:54:56.440 --> 0:54:59.160
<v Speaker 1>the only one in this photo. He's not. He's not.

0:54:59.600 --> 0:55:02.840
<v Speaker 1>He's got company. In fact, let me just set this up. So,

0:55:03.040 --> 0:55:06.640
<v Speaker 1>so there's Mike on the ice, He's holding his nice fish.

0:55:06.680 --> 0:55:10.480
<v Speaker 1>It's pretty normal, really, But then you see Mike's buddy

0:55:11.760 --> 0:55:17.360
<v Speaker 1>shoulder to shoulder with him, also holding his fish, and

0:55:17.719 --> 0:55:19.560
<v Speaker 1>like it's a nice pike, like we said, but we're

0:55:19.560 --> 0:55:22.480
<v Speaker 1>not talking. This is like a three pound sturgeon that

0:55:22.600 --> 0:55:26.840
<v Speaker 1>he's holding up no support from a buddy. He's capable

0:55:26.920 --> 0:55:30.120
<v Speaker 1>of holding it on his own. Yeah, And Mike's Mike's

0:55:30.160 --> 0:55:32.040
<v Speaker 1>got the thing like well in hand, like he's got

0:55:32.080 --> 0:55:35.359
<v Speaker 1>a good grip on it, and his buddies not even

0:55:35.440 --> 0:55:38.319
<v Speaker 1>really holding it in like a like a meaningful way.

0:55:39.200 --> 0:55:41.359
<v Speaker 1>He's adding nothing to the hold of the fish. He's

0:55:41.360 --> 0:55:45.120
<v Speaker 1>just kind of awkwardly. It's like fondling the tail, just

0:55:45.239 --> 0:55:47.800
<v Speaker 1>covering up the tail. Really, and I'll just I'll just

0:55:47.960 --> 0:55:49.719
<v Speaker 1>I'll just go for the punch. They're both grinning like

0:55:49.840 --> 0:55:53.440
<v Speaker 1>complete idiots. Yeah, yeah, no other way to say that.

0:55:54.040 --> 0:55:56.200
<v Speaker 1>And tell me it doesn't look like they're posing for

0:55:56.280 --> 0:56:00.080
<v Speaker 1>a wedding photo. It does like it should be like

0:56:00.160 --> 0:56:03.160
<v Speaker 1>the mandatory It's like the mandatory groom and best man

0:56:03.280 --> 0:56:07.920
<v Speaker 1>bro hug shot after the ceremony. Yes, but I mean instead,

0:56:07.960 --> 0:56:09.960
<v Speaker 1>you know, we're not really celebrating a major life moment.

0:56:10.000 --> 0:56:12.160
<v Speaker 1>They're just holding what I'd say as a decent pike.

0:56:12.719 --> 0:56:16.600
<v Speaker 1>Decent yeah, yeah, and like look to be fair to Mike,

0:56:17.360 --> 0:56:20.800
<v Speaker 1>he explained all of this in his email. He addressed

0:56:20.840 --> 0:56:22.640
<v Speaker 1>all that and and it's short, so I'll just read

0:56:22.680 --> 0:56:24.960
<v Speaker 1>the whole thing. He wrote to us. This is my

0:56:25.080 --> 0:56:28.800
<v Speaker 1>personal best Northern through the ice or otherwise. My buddy

0:56:28.840 --> 0:56:34.400
<v Speaker 1>and I were deep and thought that standing shoulder to

0:56:34.440 --> 0:56:40.120
<v Speaker 1>shoulder would help illustrate our majestic catch. Instead, we looked

0:56:40.160 --> 0:56:42.560
<v Speaker 1>like a couple of nubs who drank way too much.

0:56:43.120 --> 0:56:47.359
<v Speaker 1>And they do that is that is exactly right? And Joe,

0:56:47.560 --> 0:56:51.120
<v Speaker 1>like to your earlier point, that does undermine my claim

0:56:51.160 --> 0:56:53.200
<v Speaker 1>about drinking and ice fishing a little bit because they

0:56:53.280 --> 0:56:56.680
<v Speaker 1>happen to pull this one off. Yes, but wait, there's more,

0:56:56.880 --> 0:56:59.560
<v Speaker 1>because while his explanation there explains the goofy grins and

0:56:59.560 --> 0:57:02.560
<v Speaker 1>awkward pozing, it fails to address there's just one thing

0:57:02.600 --> 0:57:05.560
<v Speaker 1>about this photo that it actually caught our attention. We

0:57:05.640 --> 0:57:09.239
<v Speaker 1>haven't even talked about the attention catcher yet he didn't

0:57:09.480 --> 0:57:13.040
<v Speaker 1>talk about it, no, that being the freaking jaw spreader

0:57:13.600 --> 0:57:17.400
<v Speaker 1>still lodged in the pike's mouth, all right, And I

0:57:17.480 --> 0:57:19.640
<v Speaker 1>feel like for those of you don't know, a little clarification.

0:57:20.000 --> 0:57:23.280
<v Speaker 1>A jaw spreader, it's like a it's a metal spring

0:57:23.400 --> 0:57:26.360
<v Speaker 1>loaded device that that you used to hold open the

0:57:26.440 --> 0:57:29.000
<v Speaker 1>mouths of large and toothy fish like pike and muskie.

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<v Speaker 1>So you can like use that. It opens up the jaw,

0:57:31.760 --> 0:57:34.320
<v Speaker 1>holds it open, and you can remove the hook without

0:57:34.320 --> 0:57:36.960
<v Speaker 1>getting your fingers all messed up. Yes, and and look,

0:57:37.000 --> 0:57:39.400
<v Speaker 1>it's a perfectly acceptable tool I have. I have one,

0:57:39.520 --> 0:57:42.640
<v Speaker 1>and and the size of the fish they caught justifies

0:57:42.680 --> 0:57:46.040
<v Speaker 1>the use of a jaw spreader. But but once once

0:57:46.120 --> 0:57:48.600
<v Speaker 1>you take the hook out of the fish, I'm gonna

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<v Speaker 1>go ahead and say, it's generally customary to also remove

0:57:50.920 --> 0:57:56.000
<v Speaker 1>the jaw spreader. And you're you're certainly gonna want to

0:57:56.040 --> 0:57:59.000
<v Speaker 1>remove the jaw spreader before you take a hero shot,

0:57:59.080 --> 0:58:01.920
<v Speaker 1>and it's similar. It reminds me very much of when

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<v Speaker 1>you see that shot as somebody holding a fish horizontally,

0:58:04.720 --> 0:58:07.280
<v Speaker 1>you know, with both hands supporting the stomach, but there's

0:58:07.280 --> 0:58:11.280
<v Speaker 1>still a fish gripper or boga hanging off. I see

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<v Speaker 1>it all the time, and I'm like, you ruined your ship,

0:58:13.360 --> 0:58:16.640
<v Speaker 1>You just ruined that photo. Wh just take it off? Yeah?

0:58:16.680 --> 0:58:18.920
<v Speaker 1>Would you take it off? Yeah? Yeah, it's like the

0:58:19.000 --> 0:58:21.520
<v Speaker 1>pike version of that. That's that's a good analogy. And

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<v Speaker 1>I I just feel bad for the fish, really, like

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<v Speaker 1>that's what I think. I look at that and I

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<v Speaker 1>feel bad for the fish because it already lost most

0:58:29.280 --> 0:58:31.440
<v Speaker 1>of its dignity getting caught by this dude who's just

0:58:31.680 --> 0:58:35.720
<v Speaker 1>blind drunk, I mean, just out of his mind drunk,

0:58:35.760 --> 0:58:39.560
<v Speaker 1>but now caught by the drunk. Yeah, and but now

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<v Speaker 1>on top of that, it's getting held up for like

0:58:41.520 --> 0:58:45.320
<v Speaker 1>a group fetish photo biting down on the rough equivalent

0:58:45.360 --> 0:58:50.280
<v Speaker 1>of a metal ball gag for fish, I mean, for it, no, no,

0:58:50.440 --> 0:58:53.880
<v Speaker 1>you're it is truly debased. And I don't know if

0:58:53.920 --> 0:58:56.200
<v Speaker 1>I hope that fish was released because it's clearly a

0:58:56.320 --> 0:58:58.800
<v Speaker 1>mature female and exactly the kind of fish you want

0:58:58.840 --> 0:59:03.280
<v Speaker 1>passing launch ginette X or or just put out of

0:59:03.320 --> 0:59:08.080
<v Speaker 1>its misery after that that level of humiliation, so you know, well,

0:59:08.600 --> 0:59:11.400
<v Speaker 1>you know, to be fair, that's really what this segment

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<v Speaker 1>is all about. Humiliation. That's kind of what we're doing here.

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<v Speaker 1>And to all of you out there, if you want

0:59:17.840 --> 0:59:21.880
<v Speaker 1>the chance to experience your own humiliation through us, please

0:59:22.320 --> 0:59:25.880
<v Speaker 1>send your awkward phishing photos. We we look forward to them.

0:59:26.160 --> 0:59:29.200
<v Speaker 1>They truly are the highlights of our week. Sometimes Miles

0:59:29.280 --> 0:59:31.640
<v Speaker 1>is saying true things. They really are the thing we

0:59:31.720 --> 0:59:35.280
<v Speaker 1>look forward to most. Send those embarrassing fishing related photos

0:59:35.320 --> 0:59:38.480
<v Speaker 1>to us at bent at the meme eater dot com. Please,

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<v Speaker 1>all right, for the record, that segment is a perfect

0:59:45.680 --> 0:59:48.760
<v Speaker 1>example of the kinds of grip and grin photos that

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<v Speaker 1>I like, alright, the ones that don't take themselves seriously.

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<v Speaker 1>I love those that, my friend is one point we

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<v Speaker 1>definitely agree on. Another thing we agree on is your

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<v Speaker 1>choice for this week's end the line segment. In fact,

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<v Speaker 1>when I think about iconic lures, this is one of

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<v Speaker 1>the first that comes to mind. It's not loud enough

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<v Speaker 1>bur This week I'm going to tell you about the

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<v Speaker 1>Rappola original floating minnow, which you know might be a

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<v Speaker 1>little too on the nose. It's kind of like the

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<v Speaker 1>interview we did with Oliver and I a couple of

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<v Speaker 1>weeks ago. One piece of tackle you cannot live without.

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<v Speaker 1>Uh yeah, I really should have seen that one coming.

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<v Speaker 1>Choosing to profile the best selling lure in the world

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<v Speaker 1>in a segment about lures, bates and flies seems equally obvious.

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<v Speaker 1>But just because most anglers know about this lure and

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<v Speaker 1>have at least a few of them in their boxes

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<v Speaker 1>doesn't mean they have the whole story, and trust me,

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<v Speaker 1>it's a good one. First, let's clear up the pronunciation debate.

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<v Speaker 1>Is it rapaula, rappola, repella? Technically none of those are correct.

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<v Speaker 1>Rappila was named for its Finnish inventor, Lori Rapila. The

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<v Speaker 1>Finnish word rap has a distinctly rolled R. But I

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<v Speaker 1>wouldn't walk into your local tackle shop and ask them

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<v Speaker 1>where they keep their Actually, I take that back. I

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<v Speaker 1>do recommend you do that, but please be sure to

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<v Speaker 1>record audio of the whole thing and send it to us.

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<v Speaker 1>As far as the Rapple of Bait Company is concerned,

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<v Speaker 1>you can pronounce it anyway you want. They don't really care.

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<v Speaker 1>They sell twenty million lures annually and their products have

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<v Speaker 1>got more I g F a world record fish than

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<v Speaker 1>any others, so they have that going for him, which

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<v Speaker 1>is nice. But the world's most popular lure has a

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<v Speaker 1>surprisingly humble and unique origin, as does the name itself.

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<v Speaker 1>Lori Rappola carved the first iteration of this bait in

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<v Speaker 1>asi Kala, Finland, but Lori's family wasn't originally from there.

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<v Speaker 1>They moved to that town when he was a young boy,

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<v Speaker 1>and when they arrived, the local clergyman, who also functioned

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<v Speaker 1>as the town's record keeper, failed to write down his

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<v Speaker 1>family's actual surname, instead inscribing the name of the town

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<v Speaker 1>from which they had emigrated, Rappola, which in Finnish actually

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<v Speaker 1>translates to mud. Yeah. The inventor of the most popular

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<v Speaker 1>lure in history was actually named mud. As a young man,

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<v Speaker 1>Laurie was uneducated but enterprising. During the winter he worked

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<v Speaker 1>as a lumberjack, and in the summer he worked as

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<v Speaker 1>a farm hand and commercial fisherman on nearby Lake Paiana.

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<v Speaker 1>He harvested whitefish, pike, and perch, but trout were the

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<v Speaker 1>real prize. Three big trout would earn him more money

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<v Speaker 1>than two weeks pay at a local factory. Lori primarily

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<v Speaker 1>fish with trot lines and live minnows, an arduous and

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<v Speaker 1>labor intensive way of fishing, especially since he fished out

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<v Speaker 1>of a rowboat and would regularly row more than thirty

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<v Speaker 1>miles a day. First, he had to catch all his bait,

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<v Speaker 1>and then he was constantly baiting and rebaiting his hooks

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<v Speaker 1>while also trying to keep meadows fresh and lively. Long

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<v Speaker 1>before portable narrators were a thing, Laurie became convinced that

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<v Speaker 1>a lure that effectively imitated wounded bait fish would be

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<v Speaker 1>far more efficient, so he started designing. One story goes

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<v Speaker 1>that his first few iterations didn't work, but Laurie just

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<v Speaker 1>kept on experimenting. According to one source, Lorie consulted with

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<v Speaker 1>a local hermit who lived on an island in the

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<v Speaker 1>middle of Lake Paiana to help assess what was wrong

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<v Speaker 1>with his early inventions. In ninety six, he completed a

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<v Speaker 1>successful prototype for what would become nearly three decades later,

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<v Speaker 1>the Rappela floating minnow. It was card from cork covered

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<v Speaker 1>with foil from chocolate bar rappers tossed out by more

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<v Speaker 1>wealthy neighbors and sealed with cast off photographic negatives that

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<v Speaker 1>he melted over the lure. According to Laurie's sons, he

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<v Speaker 1>trolled it without a rod, tying the line directly to

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<v Speaker 1>his thumb to ensure that he wouldn't lose the precious lure,

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<v Speaker 1>and it worked. Legend has it that Laurie started hauling

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<v Speaker 1>in up to six hundred pounds of pike and trout

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<v Speaker 1>a day on his new invention, and the timing was

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<v Speaker 1>fortuitous because three years later war broke out across Europe

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<v Speaker 1>and so did food shortages. Laurie kept his family fed

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<v Speaker 1>with his new lure until the war came to Finland.

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<v Speaker 1>Then Laurie left the fishing to his sons while he

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<v Speaker 1>went off to defend his homeland. He fought in the

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<v Speaker 1>Second World War for six years before returning to fishing

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<v Speaker 1>and lure making. In the post war boom of economic

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<v Speaker 1>prosperity that boosted much of the West, interest in recreational

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<v Speaker 1>fishing began to grow. Anglers who came to fish Lake

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<v Speaker 1>Paiana from around Europe heard about Lorie's amazing lures and

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<v Speaker 1>began buying them off of him. Laurie's sons started apprenticing

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<v Speaker 1>under their father, learning to carve and craft perfect imitations

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<v Speaker 1>of his invention. One of Lourie's daughters meanwhile set to

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<v Speaker 1>work designing and writing promotional copy and boxes to help

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<v Speaker 1>sell the lures, and also keeping records to ensure that

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<v Speaker 1>the family got paid, because, unlike her father, she had

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<v Speaker 1>been able to attend school. The younger generation of Rappela's

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<v Speaker 1>transformed their father's idea for maximizing his commercial harvest into

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<v Speaker 1>a recreational fishing business, utilizing mechanization and turning his hand

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<v Speaker 1>carved blueprint into a scaled production. Lori meanwhile maintained exacting

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<v Speaker 1>standards for their products and insisted that every single lure

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<v Speaker 1>be water tested to ensure it had the perfect wobbling

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<v Speaker 1>action before being sold. In nineteen fifty two, the Winter

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<v Speaker 1>Olympics were held in Helsinki, several American competitors were introduced

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<v Speaker 1>to the rappill lure and brought some back with them

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<v Speaker 1>to the US. Pretty soon rumors began to spread about

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<v Speaker 1>this so called finlander plug. A Minneapolis based tackle rep

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<v Speaker 1>named Ron Weber managed to track a few down at

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<v Speaker 1>a bait shop in Duluth that was owned by Finnish immigrants.

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<v Speaker 1>He was so impressed that he wrote Lorie directly, asking

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<v Speaker 1>for five hundred units, which was nearly half of the

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<v Speaker 1>annual production at that time. In nineteen sixty, Webber teamed

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<v Speaker 1>up with sporting goods store owner Ray Ostrom to found Normark,

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<v Speaker 1>the American company that would go on to distribute Rapilis

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<v Speaker 1>across North America. Sales were slow for the first couple

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<v Speaker 1>of years. Rapplers cost nearly two bucks, which was more

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<v Speaker 1>than double the price of most lures in those days.

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<v Speaker 1>But everything changed in nineteen sixty two when Marilyn Monroe

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<v Speaker 1>graced the cover of Life magazine just after her untimely death.

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<v Speaker 1>That issue sold millions of copies, more than Life had

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<v Speaker 1>ever sold before, and it also just happened to include

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<v Speaker 1>another article titled a lure fish Can't Pass Up. Two

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<v Speaker 1>million orders came in after that article, ran far outstripping

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<v Speaker 1>the available supply. The company has continued to grow and

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<v Speaker 1>innovate ever since, becoming do you biquitous brand we know today.

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<v Speaker 1>The Lorrie died in four His family continues to own

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<v Speaker 1>and operate Rapila from their headquarters in Finland, and while

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<v Speaker 1>much has changed since the Rapplers were hand carving their

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<v Speaker 1>baits from their home near Lake Paiana. Loria's commitment to

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<v Speaker 1>quality remains. Each lure is still individually tank tested before

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<v Speaker 1>being packaged and sold. Now me, personally, I will always

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<v Speaker 1>love raps. I've got muskie, pike, smallmouth, wiley pan fish,

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<v Speaker 1>and god knows how many barracuda and jack's on them.

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<v Speaker 1>But despite all those catches, rapplers will be forever synonymous

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<v Speaker 1>with one single fish, and that's my first top water

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<v Speaker 1>large mouth. I was fishing a glassy dusk with one

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<v Speaker 1>of my uncles and he had me tie on an

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<v Speaker 1>original floating minnow black and gold, the same colors as

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<v Speaker 1>Lori's prototype, and he told me to cash it out

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<v Speaker 1>and twitch it on the surface with long pauses in between.

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<v Speaker 1>The colossal splat mayhem that followed may have helped set

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<v Speaker 1>the trajectory of my entire life. It wasn't a big bass,

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<v Speaker 1>maybe a couple of pounds, but the way to attack

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<v Speaker 1>that floating, wiggling lure was unlike anything else I had

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<v Speaker 1>ever experienced. All Right, if you were bidding on the

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<v Speaker 1>auction items found in this week's abandoned storage unit, you'd

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<v Speaker 1>have to choose between naming hurricanes after w w E wrestlers,

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<v Speaker 1>what you can get when you cross a mountain whitefish

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<v Speaker 1>with a tarp and wide jaw spreaders are not popular

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<v Speaker 1>in the b DSM community, and the best use you've

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<v Speaker 1>ever heard for the foil wrapper off a chocolate bar.

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<v Speaker 1>Please please keep those emails coming to Bent at the

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<v Speaker 1>meat eater dot com. We want your bar nominations, awkward photos,

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<v Speaker 1>sale bin items, even your grip and grins, as long

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<v Speaker 1>as they help tell a good story. Maybe just drop

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<v Speaker 1>us a quick note let us know how you're doing

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<v Speaker 1>or how the fishing is out your way. We appreciate

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<v Speaker 1>hearing from each and every one of you, and even

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<v Speaker 1>though we're not perfect, we do try to respond to

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<v Speaker 1>as many emails and messages as we can. It's true,

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<v Speaker 1>It's true. It's a It's like a little productive procrastination

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<v Speaker 1>that I can do when I'm putting off real work,

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<v Speaker 1>like trying to write podcast segments. True, reading those emails

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<v Speaker 1>is a great way to not do actual work. Whatever

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<v Speaker 1>it is you're doing this week to avoid your real job,

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<v Speaker 1>we hope it involves fishing.