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Speaker 1: So anyway, these agencies collect all these data about different

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Speaker 1: assumptions about fishing practices, angler efficiency, and beliefs about fish mortality. Well,

427
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Speaker 1: this new study seems to be showing that some of

428
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Speaker 1: those assumptions might be wrong. Over the past few decades,

429
00:22:36,600 --> 00:22:39,040
Speaker 1: catch and release has become a lot more prevalent, but

430
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Speaker 1: the methods that are used to interpret population data haven't

431
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Speaker 1: necessarily caught up with that trend. So managers might be

432
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Speaker 1: assuming that a higher percentage of fish are being kept

433
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Speaker 1: than actually are, and that might make them guess that

434
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Speaker 1: the overall populations are higher than they actually are. All right, So,

435
00:22:56,520 --> 00:22:58,879
Speaker 1: so there's the bad news. But here's the good news.

436
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Speaker 1: It seems like released fish survive at a higher rate

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Speaker 1: than previously thought, at least the ones that make it

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Speaker 1: through their first interaction with hook and line. According to

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Speaker 1: Dr Jeffrey Bucknell, one of the researchers who worked on

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Speaker 1: the study, quote, the proportion of released fish that survived

441
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Speaker 1: appears to go up after the first release. Bucknell went

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Speaker 1: on to explain this is counterintuitive. We expected that the

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Speaker 1: effects of capture, including hooking, handling, and pressure related trauma

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Speaker 1: would be sort of cumulative, and that fish are more

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Speaker 1: likely to die after perhaps the third release compared to

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Speaker 1: the second. But that's not what they found. It seems

447
00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:41,840
Speaker 1: like fish that survived being hooked and tossed back once

448
00:23:42,320 --> 00:23:45,639
Speaker 1: have a better than average chance of surviving that encounter again.

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Speaker 1: And here's where I'm gonna get totally unscientific and make

450
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Speaker 1: a guess about why that is. My guess would be

451
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Speaker 1: that this is an example of catching and release fishing

452
00:23:57,760 --> 00:24:02,000
Speaker 1: influencing natural selection, and that we as anglers are impacting

453
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Speaker 1: the dynamics of the species that we fish for. The

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Speaker 1: individuals that are not fit enough or adapted well enough

455
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Speaker 1: to survive catching, release fishing, or dying the first time

456
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Speaker 1: they get caught, and the ones that can handle that

457
00:24:13,280 --> 00:24:16,440
Speaker 1: trauma are surviving and going on to get caught again,

458
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Speaker 1: as well as maybe passing those traits onto future generations.

459
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Speaker 1: So we might be pushing natural selection to favor fish

460
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Speaker 1: that can survive catch and release over and over again.

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Speaker 1: That was a very long limb that I just stepped onto.

462
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Speaker 1: I'm gonna gonna admit that I'm pretty sure I'm gonna

463
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Speaker 1: hear from some of our listeners who actually are biologists

464
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Speaker 1: telling me that I took that line of thinking way

465
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Speaker 1: past what the actual data can support. I was gonna say,

466
00:24:40,040 --> 00:24:41,360
Speaker 1: I was listening to going, man, this makes a lot

467
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Speaker 1: of sense, and had to remind myself that, like Miles,

468
00:24:43,200 --> 00:24:46,640
Speaker 1: is just kind of making this part up right now, Yeah,

469
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Speaker 1: that wasn't in the story. Nope, nope, And and I'm

470
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Speaker 1: gonna welcome all those future emails that tell me how

471
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Speaker 1: wrong I am. But lucky for me, this is a

472
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Speaker 1: fishing podcast and not a peer review journal, so I

473
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Speaker 1: can do exactly exactly. But just to sum this all

474
00:25:01,240 --> 00:25:03,680
Speaker 1: up again, mixed news on this study because it might

475
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Speaker 1: mean that that our fish stocks are actually smaller than

476
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Speaker 1: we think, but the catch and release fishing might also

477
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Speaker 1: have less detrimental impact than we thought. I got a

478
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Speaker 1: stress though, that it's a pretty small sample size this

479
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Speaker 1: This focused on four species of fishing one geographical area

480
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Speaker 1: of off Carolina coast, so I'm not trying to draw

481
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,840
Speaker 1: too large a conclusion off of it. But I found

482
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Speaker 1: it pretty damn interesting, I gotta admit, Yeah, so I

483
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Speaker 1: had I had heard something about this and I think

484
00:25:27,080 --> 00:25:29,520
Speaker 1: another one was black sea bass was a part of

485
00:25:29,520 --> 00:25:33,360
Speaker 1: this black red grouper. And yeah, I mean that that's

486
00:25:33,359 --> 00:25:35,399
Speaker 1: sort of the only thing like that side of it

487
00:25:35,520 --> 00:25:38,560
Speaker 1: is interesting and uplifting that we might actually be toughening

488
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Speaker 1: our fish up because we care more about them and

489
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Speaker 1: let more of them go. Right. It's like, you know,

490
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,040
Speaker 1: get beat up on the playground once. Next time dude

491
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,320
Speaker 1: comes after you, now you're gonna start swinging back. But again,

492
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Speaker 1: like you said, like looking at the sample size and

493
00:25:51,240 --> 00:25:54,040
Speaker 1: these types of fish, these are already in my opinion,

494
00:25:54,080 --> 00:25:58,520
Speaker 1: at least some pretty hardy wreck and reef dwellers. That's

495
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Speaker 1: what I mean. Like group bres are tough ass, hearty

496
00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:04,040
Speaker 1: ass fish. So if we could, if we get down

497
00:26:04,040 --> 00:26:07,480
Speaker 1: the line, like does this tie in or lead to

498
00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:11,560
Speaker 1: like um, tougher brown trout, tougher rainbow trout, you know

499
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Speaker 1: what I mean? It could I mean if if if

500
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Speaker 1: your theory, which again is just the theory. Now now

501
00:26:18,520 --> 00:26:20,560
Speaker 1: we're like we're expanding on the part of it that

502
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Speaker 1: was like not the science, but not at all. I

503
00:26:23,320 --> 00:26:25,960
Speaker 1: I just can't help I can't help myself because it

504
00:26:26,000 --> 00:26:29,280
Speaker 1: would just seem like if it worked there in that small,

505
00:26:29,400 --> 00:26:32,680
Speaker 1: that small group. You know, why wouldn't it work elsewhere?

506
00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,560
Speaker 1: But I guess you could already say that nobody's seeing

507
00:26:35,640 --> 00:26:38,200
Speaker 1: much evidence of that on on trout streams or anything either,

508
00:26:38,359 --> 00:26:39,800
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. Like, but it it's also

509
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Speaker 1: not counted, So how do you know? I mean, that's

510
00:26:42,320 --> 00:26:44,040
Speaker 1: the thing. It's only count in certain places, right, And

511
00:26:44,080 --> 00:26:45,679
Speaker 1: I know of one study and this is just one

512
00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:48,919
Speaker 1: study that was done years ago on yellowstone cutthroat trout

513
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Speaker 1: in the Yellowstone River, and they found that a lot

514
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Speaker 1: of those fish actually got caught up to seven times

515
00:26:53,720 --> 00:26:57,960
Speaker 1: a year because cutthroat not that smart and it's enforced

516
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Speaker 1: catching lease fishing for Yellowstone cutthroat on that stretch of river.

517
00:27:01,040 --> 00:27:04,480
Speaker 1: You can't keep them. So I think I'm not I'm

518
00:27:04,520 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 1: not making that leap over there, but I am going

519
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,520
Speaker 1: to say that that some people have found in some

520
00:27:08,560 --> 00:27:11,520
Speaker 1: studies that they're surviving and getting caught more often than

521
00:27:11,560 --> 00:27:14,159
Speaker 1: we may have thought. Yeah. Yeah, it's fascinating. And the

522
00:27:14,400 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: only other thing I'll add to that, um, you know,

523
00:27:16,359 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: because you had mentioned like, hey, people, you know, if

524
00:27:18,000 --> 00:27:20,320
Speaker 1: you catch a tag fish, do the right call it in?

525
00:27:20,400 --> 00:27:23,639
Speaker 1: Like is there for? To me, it's like a badge

526
00:27:23,640 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: of honor. And I've only ever caught one tag fish

527
00:27:26,240 --> 00:27:27,600
Speaker 1: in my life and it was a striper and I

528
00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:29,719
Speaker 1: was like, oh my god, there was the tag right

529
00:27:29,760 --> 00:27:31,679
Speaker 1: And I didn't keep that fish. I didn't even take

530
00:27:31,720 --> 00:27:33,800
Speaker 1: the tag off, but I recorded everything real quick and

531
00:27:33,800 --> 00:27:35,840
Speaker 1: like I couldn't wait to call. I was like, where

532
00:27:35,840 --> 00:27:38,120
Speaker 1: has this fish been? I'm just dying to know how

533
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,160
Speaker 1: far did you go? And then they were like, oh, yeah,

534
00:27:40,240 --> 00:27:44,760
Speaker 1: we tagged it yesterday and I was like, oh damn it.

535
00:27:45,400 --> 00:27:47,240
Speaker 1: I've got a couple of tag fish. And now since

536
00:27:47,240 --> 00:27:48,960
Speaker 1: you've always got your phone with you, it's super easy.

537
00:27:48,960 --> 00:27:50,680
Speaker 1: You just take a picture of the tag and like

538
00:27:50,760 --> 00:27:53,879
Speaker 1: the write anything down. So simple. Um. Yeah, I actually

539
00:27:53,880 --> 00:27:56,240
Speaker 1: caught one of those Yellowstone cut throat in the Yellowstone

540
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Speaker 1: System one time and reported that and I was not

541
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Speaker 1: the first person to catch it that season. And then

542
00:28:01,040 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: a bone fish and hoii those are my two tag fish. Excellent, excellent. Well,

543
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:07,399
Speaker 1: here's what I'll say if if if you're interested in

544
00:28:07,480 --> 00:28:10,840
Speaker 1: catching the same fish multiple times, maybe, um, in order

545
00:28:10,840 --> 00:28:12,600
Speaker 1: to do that, you know, it's you have to think

546
00:28:12,640 --> 00:28:14,560
Speaker 1: outside the box in terms of the baits you give it,

547
00:28:14,560 --> 00:28:17,480
Speaker 1: because maybe it's senior ship too many times. So that's

548
00:28:17,480 --> 00:28:19,640
Speaker 1: my that's my segue into this very what I think.

549
00:28:19,640 --> 00:28:21,960
Speaker 1: It's a very fun little ditty that I found on

550
00:28:22,000 --> 00:28:24,960
Speaker 1: the website of Ohio's Country Journal, and the headline is

551
00:28:25,000 --> 00:28:28,560
Speaker 1: simply odd fishing baits, which is not a good headline.

552
00:28:28,720 --> 00:28:31,719
Speaker 1: Great story though, and it's by Dan Armitage and up

553
00:28:31,800 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: front right, it gives you a little background on the

554
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,119
Speaker 1: app fish Brain, which I'm sure some of you are

555
00:28:37,160 --> 00:28:39,480
Speaker 1: familiar with, um, but in case you're not, this is

556
00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:41,920
Speaker 1: right from the story. Fish Brain is said to be

557
00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: the world's most popular mobile app and social network for

558
00:28:44,920 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: people who enjoy angling. The free to use app, with

559
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,960
Speaker 1: more than ten million users worldwide, helps create the best

560
00:28:50,960 --> 00:28:54,800
Speaker 1: possible fishing experience by providing everyone, whether beginner or pro,

561
00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:57,960
Speaker 1: with the tools, insights, and support to enjoy the world's

562
00:28:57,960 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: most popular sport. UM. I'm certainly familiar with it, but

563
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:03,600
Speaker 1: I'm also not on it, so to be honest, I

564
00:29:03,640 --> 00:29:05,720
Speaker 1: can't really speak too much to the inner workings of

565
00:29:05,760 --> 00:29:08,040
Speaker 1: it because I'm not there. I will say I know

566
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:09,920
Speaker 1: some people that love it. I know a whole lot

567
00:29:09,960 --> 00:29:12,200
Speaker 1: of people who despise fish Brain because they say it's

568
00:29:12,280 --> 00:29:15,280
Speaker 1: there's no greater spot burn tool on the planet. But

569
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Speaker 1: for the purpose of this story, that's that's neither here

570
00:29:17,480 --> 00:29:20,960
Speaker 1: nor there, right. Fish Brain recently called on that huge

571
00:29:21,200 --> 00:29:25,240
Speaker 1: user base to tell them the weirdest bait they ever

572
00:29:25,680 --> 00:29:29,440
Speaker 1: used and what they caught with it, and apparently they

573
00:29:29,480 --> 00:29:31,960
Speaker 1: got such a huge response that they were able to

574
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Speaker 1: whittle it down to the top five categories of unconventional baits,

575
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Speaker 1: which are candy, meat, chips and crackers, fruits and plants

576
00:29:42,040 --> 00:29:46,960
Speaker 1: and leaves, and finally fast food. Okay, so now those

577
00:29:46,960 --> 00:29:50,120
Speaker 1: categories are not overly surprising in and of themselves, but

578
00:29:50,480 --> 00:29:53,720
Speaker 1: the story pulled some user quotes within all those categories,

579
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Speaker 1: and I have I'm gonna read some of my faiths.

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00:29:55,920 --> 00:29:59,600
Speaker 1: Note that I'm excluding the candy category because, as you

581
00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:02,480
Speaker 1: might get, that was all just gummy worms. Like, yeah, okay,

582
00:30:02,560 --> 00:30:07,280
Speaker 1: gummy worms. I would I would assume it was all marshmallows. No, well,

583
00:30:07,560 --> 00:30:10,320
Speaker 1: I'm sure marshmallows fell into candy. I'm sure that was

584
00:30:10,400 --> 00:30:12,720
Speaker 1: part of it. But the quotes they pulled for the story,

585
00:30:12,760 --> 00:30:15,000
Speaker 1: none of them were marshmallow. They were all gummy bears,

586
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:17,640
Speaker 1: gummy worms and stuff. So here's one from the meat group.

587
00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:20,480
Speaker 1: I've been catching catfish in the lake in my neighborhood

588
00:30:20,520 --> 00:30:23,560
Speaker 1: with Sam's Club corn beef lunch meat that's from Brectal

589
00:30:23,640 --> 00:30:27,520
Speaker 1: fishing family in Florida. That one I found oddly specific,

590
00:30:27,720 --> 00:30:30,880
Speaker 1: like boar's head. Corn beef only catches the litlans. You

591
00:30:31,000 --> 00:30:33,600
Speaker 1: gotta have the Sam's Club. Okay. From the chips and

592
00:30:33,600 --> 00:30:37,600
Speaker 1: crackers category, barbecue flavored ruffles caught me some little brookies

593
00:30:37,640 --> 00:30:42,400
Speaker 1: and cutthroat. I dub Angling from Alberta, Canada said, um,

594
00:30:42,480 --> 00:30:44,480
Speaker 1: I mean that sounds like wild brookies to me. I

595
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:48,640
Speaker 1: sprinkled some chips out there. They'll come eat um balsamic

596
00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:52,160
Speaker 1: vinegar triskets for carp Matt Buell in New Mexico. That's

597
00:30:52,160 --> 00:30:54,960
Speaker 1: a waste. Those are too delicious. They are, my friends,

598
00:30:55,080 --> 00:30:58,560
Speaker 1: my favorite trisket right there. You can't use that for

599
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,760
Speaker 1: the carp bait we got. My dad once caught a

600
00:31:00,760 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: blue fish on Derrito's that's from a dude and Western

601
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,960
Speaker 1: Mass and that's a blitz scenario. That's just one of

602
00:31:06,000 --> 00:31:08,240
Speaker 1: those scenarios where they're frothing the water and hit anything

603
00:31:08,280 --> 00:31:10,800
Speaker 1: that moves right, and we got one. I've seen someone

604
00:31:10,880 --> 00:31:14,800
Speaker 1: catch snapper on asparagus in Florida. Why was that on

605
00:31:14,840 --> 00:31:17,480
Speaker 1: your boat? Yo, bro, I'll bring the case of Miller.

606
00:31:17,480 --> 00:31:20,440
Speaker 1: You got the asparagus? Like why? Who? Why is there asparagus?

607
00:31:20,480 --> 00:31:22,920
Speaker 1: And fishing? And lastly, I was in Key West not

608
00:31:22,960 --> 00:31:25,360
Speaker 1: too long ago and caught Atlantic Spanish mackerel on a

609
00:31:25,360 --> 00:31:29,880
Speaker 1: Wendy Spicy chicken sandwich. The whole sandwich. Well, I'm gonna

610
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,760
Speaker 1: assume it's another Blitz scenario, right, and it's pieces of

611
00:31:32,760 --> 00:31:34,520
Speaker 1: the sandwich. I think it's funnier to think of a

612
00:31:34,560 --> 00:31:37,480
Speaker 1: Spanish mac eating an entire Wendy sandwich. Um, but I

613
00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,400
Speaker 1: thought this was fun. And if you break it down though,

614
00:31:39,480 --> 00:31:42,320
Speaker 1: right as I've already hinted at all, these scenarios aren't

615
00:31:42,320 --> 00:31:45,200
Speaker 1: really that impressive because like brookies and blue gills eating

616
00:31:45,200 --> 00:31:48,360
Speaker 1: French fries and like fired up salty fish, they will

617
00:31:48,400 --> 00:31:50,960
Speaker 1: take a shot at anything they think is food or

618
00:31:51,000 --> 00:31:54,120
Speaker 1: that moves right. In certain cases I've seen it. Maybe.

619
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Speaker 1: I once fed a whole tomato and two soggy ham

620
00:31:57,120 --> 00:31:58,960
Speaker 1: sandwiches and the cooler from the day before to a

621
00:31:59,000 --> 00:32:02,840
Speaker 1: school of ravenous anita in Louisiana. Just like whatever slapped

622
00:32:02,840 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: the water, it got eight catfish. There was a lot

623
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,360
Speaker 1: of catfish stuff in there, of course, like you know,

624
00:32:07,440 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: they're kind of vacuum cleaners, but I doubt there were

625
00:32:10,440 --> 00:32:14,000
Speaker 1: entries like I caught at muskie walking the through wired

626
00:32:14,040 --> 00:32:16,440
Speaker 1: subway Italian b n t over a weed top, like

627
00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:21,160
Speaker 1: you know what I mean, um exactly. So I think

628
00:32:21,200 --> 00:32:23,480
Speaker 1: it's I think it's it's cool and funny to to

629
00:32:23,520 --> 00:32:25,360
Speaker 1: sort of hear some of these things people wait in with.

630
00:32:25,400 --> 00:32:27,720
Speaker 1: But it also got me thinking, like, what's the weirdest

631
00:32:27,720 --> 00:32:29,760
Speaker 1: bait I ever used? And I would have to say,

632
00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:32,880
Speaker 1: for me, it's it's play though, which I'm betting some

633
00:32:32,920 --> 00:32:35,680
Speaker 1: people submitted. It just didn't fit in one of those categories.

634
00:32:36,160 --> 00:32:38,480
Speaker 1: And dude, it's been a long time. But if you

635
00:32:38,520 --> 00:32:41,160
Speaker 1: think about it, it's essentially power bait minus the scent. Right,

636
00:32:41,160 --> 00:32:44,480
Speaker 1: it's totally bald ugradable, comes in any color you want,

637
00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:46,080
Speaker 1: and you bawl that up and you have ever real

638
00:32:46,160 --> 00:32:49,200
Speaker 1: nice little stocker trout bait. And I can't say that

639
00:32:49,280 --> 00:32:52,200
Speaker 1: it out fished real eggs or power bait, but it

640
00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:55,200
Speaker 1: did work. So that would be my contribution to weirdest bait.

641
00:32:56,840 --> 00:33:00,000
Speaker 1: Uh Man, I don't I don't have a really weird

642
00:33:00,240 --> 00:33:03,120
Speaker 1: one off the top of my head. The catfish one

643
00:33:03,200 --> 00:33:04,800
Speaker 1: made me think when I was a kid, we used

644
00:33:04,800 --> 00:33:09,080
Speaker 1: to fish a lake for channel cats and we would

645
00:33:09,160 --> 00:33:13,160
Speaker 1: use beef heart because it was cheap. Right, beef heart

646
00:33:13,200 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: was way cheaper than that lunch meets expensive, like beef

647
00:33:16,560 --> 00:33:19,880
Speaker 1: heart for next to nothing. So definitely used a lot

648
00:33:19,880 --> 00:33:22,200
Speaker 1: of that. And I remember one time, much later in life,

649
00:33:22,320 --> 00:33:23,960
Speaker 1: I was on a fish and trip at this this

650
00:33:24,080 --> 00:33:28,400
Speaker 1: beautiful trout stream in the middle of this this gorgeous

651
00:33:28,440 --> 00:33:31,120
Speaker 1: area in uh In, Argentina, of all places that I

652
00:33:31,160 --> 00:33:32,680
Speaker 1: got lucky enough to go to. But it got hit

653
00:33:32,720 --> 00:33:35,680
Speaker 1: pretty hard and we were getting our teeth kicked in.

654
00:33:35,720 --> 00:33:37,600
Speaker 1: We we caught a handful of fish, but we didn't

655
00:33:37,600 --> 00:33:40,160
Speaker 1: hardly catch anything. And we're just finishing up lunch at

656
00:33:40,160 --> 00:33:42,360
Speaker 1: the spot and the guy's like, hey, watch this, and

657
00:33:42,400 --> 00:33:45,600
Speaker 1: he starts frisbeeing out chunks of bread into the current,

658
00:33:45,720 --> 00:33:49,840
Speaker 1: and these giant trout just start boiling everywhere. And I couldn't.

659
00:33:50,200 --> 00:33:53,480
Speaker 1: I could not convince those fish to eat anything I

660
00:33:53,520 --> 00:33:56,520
Speaker 1: threw at them. But man, you whip a chunk of

661
00:33:56,560 --> 00:33:58,080
Speaker 1: bread out there and get a good dead drift and

662
00:33:58,080 --> 00:34:00,320
Speaker 1: they would nail it. Oh man, did that in the

663
00:34:00,360 --> 00:34:02,640
Speaker 1: experience a little bit little you had to look at

664
00:34:02,680 --> 00:34:07,360
Speaker 1: those fish differently after that a little bit. Yeah, kind

665
00:34:07,360 --> 00:34:09,319
Speaker 1: of messed things up for but I had a great time.

666
00:34:09,320 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 1: It was still a lot of fun, but it was

667
00:34:10,640 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: it was also pretty frustrating. I just say, I just say,

668
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:15,160
Speaker 1: before you move on, if if anybody else out there

669
00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,640
Speaker 1: has has used some really weird bait ship hit us up,

670
00:34:18,719 --> 00:34:21,480
Speaker 1: I'd love to hear about it. Absolutely shot you out.

671
00:34:21,640 --> 00:34:31,120
Speaker 1: So I mean, I guess the only connection I have

672
00:34:31,400 --> 00:34:33,759
Speaker 1: from that story to mind things that don't belong in

673
00:34:33,840 --> 00:34:35,759
Speaker 1: places where they end up is as close as I'm

674
00:34:35,800 --> 00:34:38,520
Speaker 1: gonna get. Wasn't that a sesame streets segment? One of

675
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:42,719
Speaker 1: the one of these things just doesn't belong here like

676
00:34:42,800 --> 00:34:51,880
Speaker 1: the other do some counting to one terrible story? All right?

677
00:34:52,360 --> 00:34:55,279
Speaker 1: My My next story was spurred by an email we

678
00:34:55,320 --> 00:34:58,560
Speaker 1: got from listener Katherine Williamson. She caught my attention, but

679
00:34:59,040 --> 00:35:01,200
Speaker 1: you know, also kind of on me out. She wrote.

680
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:03,960
Speaker 1: I was walking back to my car and taking a

681
00:35:04,000 --> 00:35:06,600
Speaker 1: fishing break. I stopped a little doc a favorite and

682
00:35:06,640 --> 00:35:09,720
Speaker 1: popular fishing spot, when something on the far bank caught

683
00:35:09,760 --> 00:35:12,520
Speaker 1: my eye. At first, I thought I was seeing a

684
00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,560
Speaker 1: dead branch hanging from a tree. When I looked closer,

685
00:35:15,600 --> 00:35:18,799
Speaker 1: I realized one it was an owl hanging by its wing,

686
00:35:19,160 --> 00:35:24,320
Speaker 1: and two it was alive. Oh yeah, So the owl

687
00:35:24,400 --> 00:35:27,080
Speaker 1: was entangled in fishing line that was attached to a

688
00:35:27,120 --> 00:35:29,600
Speaker 1: crank bait that someone had broken off and said tree.

689
00:35:29,960 --> 00:35:32,520
Speaker 1: But Katherine, you know, being the person that she is,

690
00:35:32,640 --> 00:35:35,400
Speaker 1: clearly was upset and went out there and tried to

691
00:35:35,440 --> 00:35:37,120
Speaker 1: free the owl. And she couldn't get it out on

692
00:35:37,120 --> 00:35:39,640
Speaker 1: her own. She just wasn't tall enough. I don't I

693
00:35:39,640 --> 00:35:41,719
Speaker 1: don't exactly know, but she couldn't get it out. So

694
00:35:42,040 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 1: I love this part. She marched into a nearby subdivision

695
00:35:45,239 --> 00:35:47,520
Speaker 1: and just started enlisting the help of strangers, like, hey,

696
00:35:47,520 --> 00:35:50,200
Speaker 1: come on, we gotta we gotta help this owl, which

697
00:35:50,239 --> 00:35:53,680
Speaker 1: is fantastic. With the help of few other people, they

698
00:35:53,719 --> 00:35:57,360
Speaker 1: eventually freed the Eastern Screech owl and they called animal

699
00:35:57,400 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: control Sadly, there's no happy ending here. The wings the

700
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:04,839
Speaker 1: owl's wing was badly broken and it had to be euthanized. Now,

701
00:36:04,920 --> 00:36:08,040
Speaker 1: Catherine sent us this story hoping we would get the

702
00:36:08,080 --> 00:36:10,839
Speaker 1: word out about fishing line left and trees being problematic

703
00:36:10,880 --> 00:36:14,200
Speaker 1: for birds. Now, this is a sad story, but one

704
00:36:14,239 --> 00:36:18,200
Speaker 1: dead owl is not a problem. Make right. The thing is,

705
00:36:18,760 --> 00:36:21,600
Speaker 1: I've actually seen this myself more than once. It seems

706
00:36:21,640 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 1: like just about every year when I'm floating some of

707
00:36:24,160 --> 00:36:26,640
Speaker 1: the rivers around here during high water, I come across

708
00:36:26,640 --> 00:36:28,759
Speaker 1: a bird or two that they got wrapped up in

709
00:36:28,800 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 1: fishing line that's attached to a bus set off rig

710
00:36:31,360 --> 00:36:33,560
Speaker 1: that's that's in the willows, and it's you know, it's

711
00:36:33,560 --> 00:36:35,720
Speaker 1: sort of a dramatic scene, right you see their lifeless

712
00:36:35,760 --> 00:36:38,759
Speaker 1: bodies skipping on the surface and the current, and yeah,

713
00:36:38,760 --> 00:36:41,680
Speaker 1: it's it's kind of a bummer. And especially when it's

714
00:36:41,719 --> 00:36:44,239
Speaker 1: a it's a Western tanager, which I have seen, and

715
00:36:44,280 --> 00:36:46,719
Speaker 1: it's one of the prettiest birds around, and that they're

716
00:36:46,760 --> 00:36:49,279
Speaker 1: always in those willows that time of year, right, so

717
00:36:49,280 --> 00:36:53,560
Speaker 1: they're they're they're susceptible to it. It's still, again anecdotal,

718
00:36:53,960 --> 00:36:57,040
Speaker 1: not necessarily tragic or indicative of any kind of a

719
00:36:57,120 --> 00:37:00,520
Speaker 1: large scale problem. So I started doing a little to research,

720
00:37:00,920 --> 00:37:05,120
Speaker 1: and there's a ton of information about marine birds and

721
00:37:05,160 --> 00:37:08,640
Speaker 1: fishing gear, especially commercial fishing gear, but there's not much

722
00:37:08,640 --> 00:37:13,000
Speaker 1: about freshwater species and recreational fishing gear. So I dug

723
00:37:13,000 --> 00:37:16,279
Speaker 1: around for quite a while and eventually I found a

724
00:37:16,360 --> 00:37:20,360
Speaker 1: paper published in the Proceedings of the California Academy of

725
00:37:20,360 --> 00:37:23,399
Speaker 1: Science in October of this year, and it seemed like

726
00:37:23,560 --> 00:37:26,840
Speaker 1: it was looking at exactly this problem, right. This paper

727
00:37:26,840 --> 00:37:29,640
Speaker 1: started by taking a news story from earlier this year

728
00:37:29,680 --> 00:37:32,040
Speaker 1: about an oriole that had died in a similar fashion

729
00:37:32,040 --> 00:37:34,600
Speaker 1: to Katherine's owl, and like it made local news and

730
00:37:34,719 --> 00:37:36,840
Speaker 1: got a bunch of attention, and then this paper was

731
00:37:36,880 --> 00:37:39,520
Speaker 1: trying to figure out how big a problem this really is? Right,

732
00:37:39,560 --> 00:37:41,799
Speaker 1: So I'm like, oh, yeah, I found it. So here

733
00:37:41,840 --> 00:37:43,960
Speaker 1: here's an exerpt from the paper's abstract to give you

734
00:37:44,040 --> 00:37:47,680
Speaker 1: sense of what it was talking about. Literature, databases, and

735
00:37:47,719 --> 00:37:51,520
Speaker 1: the Internet were searched for other reported cases of injury

736
00:37:51,520 --> 00:37:55,480
Speaker 1: and mortality to birds from recreational fishing line. Several compilations

737
00:37:55,520 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: of bird entanglement records have appeared in recent decades. However,

738
00:37:59,680 --> 00:38:05,000
Speaker 1: these concerned marine environments, and most entanglements involved commercial fishing gear,

739
00:38:05,200 --> 00:38:09,640
Speaker 1: whereas the present paper focuses on recreational fishing gear, mostly

740
00:38:09,680 --> 00:38:14,680
Speaker 1: in freshwater and inland environments. Sweet, right, yeah, this is

741
00:38:14,719 --> 00:38:16,879
Speaker 1: gonna answer my question. I thought I thought I gotta

742
00:38:16,880 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: figure out Well I was wrong, And I'm gonna save

743
00:38:19,520 --> 00:38:21,440
Speaker 1: you all ten pages of reading and just sum it

744
00:38:21,520 --> 00:38:24,720
Speaker 1: up this way. Birds die from lots of different natural

745
00:38:24,760 --> 00:38:27,239
Speaker 1: and human cause factors. Sometimes they get to angle in

746
00:38:27,280 --> 00:38:29,719
Speaker 1: fishing line. No one knows how widespread problem this is

747
00:38:29,719 --> 00:38:33,680
Speaker 1: because no one is cataloging these events. Little little little

748
00:38:33,680 --> 00:38:37,759
Speaker 1: anticlimactic right, I got another thought here before each time

749
00:38:37,800 --> 00:38:40,399
Speaker 1: in I want to say that that despite all that

750
00:38:40,800 --> 00:38:43,640
Speaker 1: and the inconclusive nature and the how disappointed I wasn't

751
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,200
Speaker 1: that paper, this is something we can affect as a

752
00:38:46,200 --> 00:38:49,040
Speaker 1: fishing community by simply taking the time and effort not

753
00:38:49,120 --> 00:38:52,560
Speaker 1: to leave gear in trees. Maybe you can afford to

754
00:38:52,560 --> 00:38:55,200
Speaker 1: buy a new knockoff rapple of crayfish pattern crank bait,

755
00:38:55,360 --> 00:38:58,400
Speaker 1: and good for you, you really made it, But maybe

756
00:38:58,960 --> 00:39:01,080
Speaker 1: the cost of the bay it shouldn't be the only

757
00:39:01,080 --> 00:39:03,480
Speaker 1: factor in deciding if you wade into the creek and

758
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:06,200
Speaker 1: the treat of the lure. When stories about cute and

759
00:39:06,239 --> 00:39:09,120
Speaker 1: pretty birds getting caught in fishing line and hanging themselves

760
00:39:09,160 --> 00:39:12,279
Speaker 1: hit national news, which they do, it makes all of

761
00:39:12,400 --> 00:39:15,600
Speaker 1: us look bad, and it paints fishing in an unnecessarily

762
00:39:15,600 --> 00:39:19,480
Speaker 1: destructive light, regardless of how widespread this problem actually is.

763
00:39:19,680 --> 00:39:22,360
Speaker 1: And I'm going to close with one more quick personal story.

764
00:39:22,760 --> 00:39:24,799
Speaker 1: Years ago, I was guiding a couple and they were

765
00:39:24,880 --> 00:39:26,799
Speaker 1: just trying to figure out if fishing was something they

766
00:39:26,840 --> 00:39:28,279
Speaker 1: were gonna do, Like they weren't into it yet, but

767
00:39:28,280 --> 00:39:30,640
Speaker 1: they were. They were thinking about it. They were fishing curious.

768
00:39:31,239 --> 00:39:34,160
Speaker 1: Midway through the day, we saw a red wing blackbird

769
00:39:34,200 --> 00:39:36,120
Speaker 1: fluttering erratically way up in the top of this this

770
00:39:36,200 --> 00:39:38,279
Speaker 1: Russian olive tree, and we went over to check it out.

771
00:39:38,800 --> 00:39:41,160
Speaker 1: The bird was tangled in some leader that was attached

772
00:39:41,160 --> 00:39:43,360
Speaker 1: to a big white streamer. I climbed the tree and

773
00:39:43,400 --> 00:39:45,400
Speaker 1: I freed the bird, which flew away strongly I think

774
00:39:45,480 --> 00:39:49,279
Speaker 1: was okay, and I retreated the lure. Those clients went

775
00:39:49,320 --> 00:39:51,520
Speaker 1: on to fish with me for a decade, like they

776
00:39:51,560 --> 00:39:53,319
Speaker 1: got into it after that, And I'm not saying that

777
00:39:53,360 --> 00:39:56,160
Speaker 1: was why, but it definitely they had a very positive

778
00:39:56,160 --> 00:39:58,759
Speaker 1: experience that first shot, and they never forgot free in

779
00:39:58,800 --> 00:40:01,960
Speaker 1: that bird. A Additionally, I later went on to catch

780
00:40:01,960 --> 00:40:04,840
Speaker 1: a two foot brown trout on that exact same streamer

781
00:40:05,160 --> 00:40:07,000
Speaker 1: that I had plucked from the tree. And so my

782
00:40:07,080 --> 00:40:09,879
Speaker 1: point is, Karma, take the time to pull the gear

783
00:40:09,920 --> 00:40:11,920
Speaker 1: on the trees, whether it's yours or not. You might

784
00:40:11,960 --> 00:40:15,240
Speaker 1: save a bird, You might save fishing from bad press.

785
00:40:15,480 --> 00:40:17,640
Speaker 1: And you might score a sweet new lure, so just

786
00:40:17,680 --> 00:40:20,600
Speaker 1: go ahead and do it. Yeah, I mean you basically

787
00:40:20,680 --> 00:40:22,799
Speaker 1: hit on it birds aside, Like we shouldn't have to

788
00:40:22,800 --> 00:40:24,719
Speaker 1: tell you just to pick up your ship and don't

789
00:40:24,760 --> 00:40:27,239
Speaker 1: leave anything out there for for any reason. And I

790
00:40:27,239 --> 00:40:29,880
Speaker 1: can honestly say, man, I have never encountered a bird

791
00:40:30,200 --> 00:40:33,520
Speaker 1: wrapped in fishing line anywhere, but it it is. It

792
00:40:33,640 --> 00:40:38,080
Speaker 1: is interesting to me because like a stock image of

793
00:40:38,200 --> 00:40:40,920
Speaker 1: East Coast fishing in many places is like a power

794
00:40:40,960 --> 00:40:45,359
Speaker 1: line just wrapped in fishing line, you know what I mean,

795
00:40:45,360 --> 00:40:48,400
Speaker 1: Like that's like a stock like it's It's just there

796
00:40:48,680 --> 00:40:51,640
Speaker 1: are places that I fish now that I fished recently

797
00:40:52,400 --> 00:40:54,880
Speaker 1: where you know, we're out there in a boat, but

798
00:40:54,920 --> 00:40:56,480
Speaker 1: you have guys that hit it on the bank. And

799
00:40:56,520 --> 00:40:59,560
Speaker 1: I mean we could just go tree to tree to tree,

800
00:41:00,320 --> 00:41:02,279
Speaker 1: and we do and we get all kinds of free

801
00:41:02,320 --> 00:41:06,000
Speaker 1: new lawres and things like that. So I'm very cognizant

802
00:41:06,080 --> 00:41:09,959
Speaker 1: of that. I try to leave nothing in trees, nothing behind. Um.

803
00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:11,640
Speaker 1: You know, the only time it gets you is when

804
00:41:12,040 --> 00:41:15,040
Speaker 1: you're you're fishing on shore, casting across a river or

805
00:41:15,040 --> 00:41:17,839
Speaker 1: something you can't cross. It sort of is what it is,

806
00:41:17,920 --> 00:41:21,759
Speaker 1: you know, I've just never seen it, but I'm sure

807
00:41:21,800 --> 00:41:24,000
Speaker 1: birds out here get wrapped up probably more often birds

808
00:41:24,000 --> 00:41:25,920
Speaker 1: out there, because this is a ship a little more

809
00:41:25,960 --> 00:41:28,160
Speaker 1: line and tree. And I'm not talking about some seven

810
00:41:28,360 --> 00:41:32,319
Speaker 1: X I'm talking about like forty pound snagging mono, you

811
00:41:32,320 --> 00:41:36,640
Speaker 1: know what I mean. So yeah, yeah, I I don't

812
00:41:36,680 --> 00:41:38,360
Speaker 1: have a defendi events on how often this happens. It

813
00:41:38,400 --> 00:41:40,279
Speaker 1: happens enough that I've seen it. It happens enough that

814
00:41:40,320 --> 00:41:42,799
Speaker 1: it hits national news from time to time. Are there

815
00:41:42,800 --> 00:41:44,439
Speaker 1: cases where you're not gonna be able to get it back? Yeah,

816
00:41:44,440 --> 00:41:46,640
Speaker 1: of course, far side of the river, or if you're

817
00:41:46,640 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: in really swift current in a boat and you can't stop, Like,

818
00:41:49,000 --> 00:41:51,960
Speaker 1: I get it, it happens. I'm not demonizing anybody who's

819
00:41:52,000 --> 00:41:54,120
Speaker 1: ever done this before. I'm just saying like, if you

820
00:41:54,160 --> 00:41:57,239
Speaker 1: can make the effort, try and get it out, and

821
00:41:57,280 --> 00:41:59,439
Speaker 1: if you see one that isn't yours that you can get,

822
00:41:59,520 --> 00:42:02,120
Speaker 1: go get it. It's pretty simple. Or also, you know,

823
00:42:02,200 --> 00:42:04,120
Speaker 1: maybe learn how to cast better, Like how many people

824
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,480
Speaker 1: have you seen like overthrow on eight casts in a row.

825
00:42:07,640 --> 00:42:10,880
Speaker 1: It's like, dude, your depth perception is that shitty, Like

826
00:42:10,920 --> 00:42:15,680
Speaker 1: it can't be that shitty anyway, although from saving birds

827
00:42:15,880 --> 00:42:20,719
Speaker 1: to saving stripe bess um, but not without issue. This

828
00:42:20,760 --> 00:42:22,440
Speaker 1: one hits close to home. But I think this is

829
00:42:22,440 --> 00:42:25,160
Speaker 1: a good because it drums up some debate. And this

830
00:42:25,239 --> 00:42:27,480
Speaker 1: is I'm pulling my info here from the website of

831
00:42:27,480 --> 00:42:30,239
Speaker 1: the Fisherman magazine East Coast mag I've been reading that

832
00:42:30,239 --> 00:42:33,400
Speaker 1: since I was a little kid, um and from the

833
00:42:33,440 --> 00:42:37,400
Speaker 1: story I'll just jump right in here. Approved in October nineteen,

834
00:42:37,480 --> 00:42:41,640
Speaker 1: the change to the Atlantic Stripe Bass Interstate Fishery Management Plan,

835
00:42:41,920 --> 00:42:46,719
Speaker 1: otherwise known as the f MP, implemented coastwide harvest reductions

836
00:42:46,719 --> 00:42:50,920
Speaker 1: put in place in while also requiring the mandatory use

837
00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:54,440
Speaker 1: of circle hooks when fishing with bait to reduce release

838
00:42:54,520 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: mortality and recreational stripe bass fisheries. And as per this

839
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,919
Speaker 1: Fisheries Management Plan, states are required to implement circle hook

840
00:43:04,000 --> 00:43:09,920
Speaker 1: requirements by January one. Okay, now, I'm gonna guess that

841
00:43:10,000 --> 00:43:12,320
Speaker 1: I know how you feel about this, having talked to

842
00:43:12,360 --> 00:43:16,040
Speaker 1: you about circle hooks, but maybe I'm wrong. Well yeah,

843
00:43:16,320 --> 00:43:20,120
Speaker 1: well I'm gonna tell you how I feel. But but look,

844
00:43:20,160 --> 00:43:22,560
Speaker 1: this is big news here, right, And to be clear,

845
00:43:22,640 --> 00:43:24,719
Speaker 1: this is not a Jersey story. This is not a

846
00:43:24,800 --> 00:43:30,680
Speaker 1: Massachusetts story. Every Atlantic state on that that has coastal

847
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,439
Speaker 1: you know, that's that's coastal, like the water touches the state.

848
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:36,080
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying that has a stripe bass fishery.

849
00:43:36,160 --> 00:43:41,200
Speaker 1: This applies to oh yeah totally. And while at the surface,

850
00:43:41,400 --> 00:43:44,520
Speaker 1: right it seems like an automatic win and many anglers

851
00:43:44,520 --> 00:43:47,879
Speaker 1: feel that it certainly is and this is very long overdo,

852
00:43:48,080 --> 00:43:51,160
Speaker 1: but it's also kind of ruffling some feathers. So now,

853
00:43:51,280 --> 00:43:53,400
Speaker 1: now personally, I'll get into my thoughts here. I I

854
00:43:53,440 --> 00:43:56,560
Speaker 1: do actually think this is a good thing. But the

855
00:43:56,600 --> 00:43:59,120
Speaker 1: way I'd put it as it pertains to my striper

856
00:43:59,120 --> 00:44:04,040
Speaker 1: fishing um is I'll be able to work around its caveats,

857
00:44:04,080 --> 00:44:06,440
Speaker 1: I think, and that will make more sense as as

858
00:44:06,480 --> 00:44:09,719
Speaker 1: I continue, because the reality with this is it's just

859
00:44:09,960 --> 00:44:13,080
Speaker 1: not as cut and dry as it seems on paper. Uh.

860
00:44:13,120 --> 00:44:16,080
Speaker 1: And that's because natural baits play a much bigger role

861
00:44:16,200 --> 00:44:19,680
Speaker 1: in striper fishing than than simply putting a chunk or

862
00:44:19,680 --> 00:44:21,880
Speaker 1: an eel or a live mullet on a single hook

863
00:44:22,360 --> 00:44:24,960
Speaker 1: and casting it out. You know, like it's really easy

864
00:44:25,000 --> 00:44:26,160
Speaker 1: to think of it in terms of a piece of

865
00:44:26,160 --> 00:44:27,960
Speaker 1: bait or a live bait on a hook. And now

866
00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,920
Speaker 1: it goes. So this whole circle hooks deal was up

867
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,480
Speaker 1: for final debate this fall, and to give you an

868
00:44:33,520 --> 00:44:37,000
Speaker 1: idea of what I mean, some states asked for exemptions

869
00:44:37,120 --> 00:44:39,760
Speaker 1: for certain lures and methods. One of the more notable

870
00:44:39,840 --> 00:44:42,560
Speaker 1: was tube and worm. Main asked for that to be exempt.

871
00:44:42,600 --> 00:44:45,319
Speaker 1: And that's where you use these long rubber tubes with

872
00:44:45,360 --> 00:44:47,200
Speaker 1: a treble hook on the back end, and that treble

873
00:44:47,200 --> 00:44:49,879
Speaker 1: hook is tipped with a sand worm or blood worm.

874
00:44:49,920 --> 00:44:52,360
Speaker 1: And yeah, it's an old school method, been around a

875
00:44:52,400 --> 00:44:55,720
Speaker 1: long time and it catches a lot of stripers. Massachusetts

876
00:44:55,840 --> 00:44:58,399
Speaker 1: asked that it not applied to anyone fishing on four

877
00:44:58,520 --> 00:45:03,520
Speaker 1: higher vessels. But ultimately all of this was shot down right,

878
00:45:03,960 --> 00:45:05,719
Speaker 1: and this is from the story in the Fisherman. No

879
00:45:05,840 --> 00:45:08,759
Speaker 1: exemptions were made for gear type or user group, and

880
00:45:08,800 --> 00:45:13,360
Speaker 1: therefore this regulation includes shore bound private boat and anglers

881
00:45:13,400 --> 00:45:18,200
Speaker 1: onboard for higher vessels coastwide with no gear and this

882
00:45:18,239 --> 00:45:21,880
Speaker 1: is where things get sticky with no gear type exemptions allowed.

883
00:45:22,200 --> 00:45:26,040
Speaker 1: The new circle hook requirement in place includes, but is

884
00:45:26,080 --> 00:45:29,799
Speaker 1: not limited to, such angling techniques as tube and worm,

885
00:45:29,920 --> 00:45:34,080
Speaker 1: ill skin rigs, rig deals, the addition of a pork rind, squid,

886
00:45:34,160 --> 00:45:38,239
Speaker 1: et cetera, to a bucktail jig and yeah, right, and

887
00:45:38,440 --> 00:45:41,440
Speaker 1: all other scenarios where a natural bait is added to

888
00:45:41,600 --> 00:45:46,919
Speaker 1: an artificial lure when targeting stripe bass. That's huge, right,

889
00:45:47,040 --> 00:45:48,960
Speaker 1: So that's what That's what I was talking about when

890
00:45:48,960 --> 00:45:52,840
Speaker 1: I said I can work around it personally. Yes, tipping

891
00:45:52,840 --> 00:45:55,960
Speaker 1: a bucktail with pork rinds or bait strips very common

892
00:45:56,000 --> 00:45:58,880
Speaker 1: method here, right, But I'm not going to freak out

893
00:45:58,960 --> 00:46:01,160
Speaker 1: personally about only being able to tip a bucktail with

894
00:46:01,200 --> 00:46:04,840
Speaker 1: a soft plastic right. Again, just just me, not speaking

895
00:46:04,840 --> 00:46:07,600
Speaker 1: for every striper angler on the coast. I don't troll

896
00:46:07,760 --> 00:46:11,320
Speaker 1: tube and worm doesn't affect me. I don't fish rig deals.

897
00:46:11,360 --> 00:46:13,520
Speaker 1: I can live without it. But I also fully understand

898
00:46:13,880 --> 00:46:16,480
Speaker 1: why this would drive other dudes to madness. Like if

899
00:46:16,520 --> 00:46:18,719
Speaker 1: those are your go to depending on where you are

900
00:46:18,760 --> 00:46:21,520
Speaker 1: on the coast, and that's what you rely on to

901
00:46:21,640 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: catch your fish, I get it. But here's where it

902
00:46:24,640 --> 00:46:27,520
Speaker 1: gets personal. Okay, this is the interesting one, and I'm

903
00:46:27,600 --> 00:46:29,080
Speaker 1: dying to hear what you have to say about this.

904
00:46:29,719 --> 00:46:32,640
Speaker 1: The biggest question right now, particularly in Jersey and New York,

905
00:46:32,760 --> 00:46:35,879
Speaker 1: is with snag hooks and this this affects me, right,

906
00:46:35,960 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 1: So Man Hayden, which we call bunker. That's the primary

907
00:46:39,040 --> 00:46:41,000
Speaker 1: food source of big stripers in our area, and we

908
00:46:41,000 --> 00:46:42,400
Speaker 1: get a run of them in the spring and a

909
00:46:42,480 --> 00:46:44,759
Speaker 1: run to them in the fall with the best. And

910
00:46:44,840 --> 00:46:46,880
Speaker 1: keep in mind, these are big bait fish, right. A

911
00:46:46,920 --> 00:46:50,160
Speaker 1: bunker can be twelve inches long. This is a big bait, uh.

912
00:46:50,200 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 1: And one of the most common ways to use them

913
00:46:52,680 --> 00:46:55,040
Speaker 1: is a method we call snagging drop. So you got

914
00:46:55,040 --> 00:46:57,920
Speaker 1: all the bunker out there in a school, you fire

915
00:46:57,960 --> 00:47:00,959
Speaker 1: off a big weighted treble hook into one sweep the rod,

916
00:47:01,160 --> 00:47:03,879
Speaker 1: snag a bait, then you open the bail and now,

917
00:47:03,920 --> 00:47:07,360
Speaker 1: because that trouble hooks waited your your bunker just falls

918
00:47:07,640 --> 00:47:11,520
Speaker 1: right below the school, acting all wounded and yet and

919
00:47:11,560 --> 00:47:15,239
Speaker 1: the stripers just eat it right and you know, two outsiders.

920
00:47:15,280 --> 00:47:17,760
Speaker 1: It might sound a little barbaric, but it's it's super

921
00:47:17,800 --> 00:47:21,680
Speaker 1: common here. Every shop sells snag rigs highly effective. But

922
00:47:21,760 --> 00:47:25,279
Speaker 1: here's my dilemma. I don't really snagg and drop, and

923
00:47:25,360 --> 00:47:28,440
Speaker 1: I never liked it for multiple reasons, one being like,

924
00:47:28,480 --> 00:47:30,160
Speaker 1: I'm just not always looking for meat in the box

925
00:47:30,160 --> 00:47:32,960
Speaker 1: when I striper fish, so I don't want a striper

926
00:47:33,040 --> 00:47:36,719
Speaker 1: to inhale a giant trouble hook. But even more so,

927
00:47:36,960 --> 00:47:39,839
Speaker 1: I've always been really particular about where a hook is

928
00:47:39,920 --> 00:47:42,799
Speaker 1: in my bunker. Um, And when you snag, you don't

929
00:47:42,800 --> 00:47:44,920
Speaker 1: know is it in the tail, is it in the gills?

930
00:47:44,960 --> 00:47:47,720
Speaker 1: Will it be dead in a minute. So while I snag,

931
00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,919
Speaker 1: I zip the bait back in, send it back out

932
00:47:50,960 --> 00:47:53,359
Speaker 1: on a single hook pin right behind the dorsal fin.

933
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,160
Speaker 1: And that's just because I believe bass eat headfirst most

934
00:47:56,160 --> 00:47:57,560
Speaker 1: of the time, and the hook pulls out of that

935
00:47:57,640 --> 00:48:02,040
Speaker 1: soft meat, real easy um out. You know, if you're

936
00:48:02,040 --> 00:48:05,280
Speaker 1: not snagging bunker right, you've got a cast at them,

937
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:09,120
Speaker 1: which is a whole other headache and not always very easy.

938
00:48:09,320 --> 00:48:11,520
Speaker 1: And point blank, dude, I can't throw a cast net

939
00:48:11,840 --> 00:48:18,200
Speaker 1: like that's something I never learned exactly right, So I

940
00:48:18,239 --> 00:48:21,719
Speaker 1: never learned how to do that. But now right, technically,

941
00:48:22,400 --> 00:48:25,160
Speaker 1: even though I am only snagging for the purpose of

942
00:48:25,200 --> 00:48:29,120
Speaker 1: getting bait, I can't do it. Well. Wait, so in

943
00:48:29,160 --> 00:48:31,319
Speaker 1: the time between the snagging or trial to the boat,

944
00:48:31,480 --> 00:48:33,680
Speaker 1: that's a live bait out there, not on a circle hook.

945
00:48:33,719 --> 00:48:37,160
Speaker 1: And hell yeah, like your bunker gets trashed while you're

946
00:48:37,160 --> 00:48:39,920
Speaker 1: reeling in, even if you're burning it in. It happens

947
00:48:39,960 --> 00:48:42,120
Speaker 1: all the time. And this has sparked a bunch of debate.

948
00:48:42,480 --> 00:48:45,520
Speaker 1: But but you said, now you can't. We don't know, right,

949
00:48:45,640 --> 00:48:48,840
Speaker 1: Snagging drop is like the outlier that has not really

950
00:48:48,880 --> 00:48:52,680
Speaker 1: been addressed, is snagging drop out? Can I snag but

951
00:48:52,800 --> 00:48:56,400
Speaker 1: not drop? And as far as I'm aware of what

952
00:48:56,520 --> 00:48:59,839
Speaker 1: I can find, there is no official answer yet. But

953
00:49:00,080 --> 00:49:02,239
Speaker 1: you know all other local methods decide for many guys

954
00:49:02,280 --> 00:49:06,520
Speaker 1: like me, dude, If you ban bunkers snagging altogether, short

955
00:49:06,520 --> 00:49:09,440
Speaker 1: of really dialing in my cast net game, which also

956
00:49:09,560 --> 00:49:11,560
Speaker 1: I mean, then you also have to find bunker in

957
00:49:11,600 --> 00:49:17,560
Speaker 1: a cast nettable scenario. Right. Short of all that, if they,

958
00:49:17,600 --> 00:49:21,160
Speaker 1: if they, if it goes away, I can't really live

959
00:49:21,200 --> 00:49:24,440
Speaker 1: bunker fish anymore, which is a really exciting way to fish,

960
00:49:24,520 --> 00:49:26,439
Speaker 1: like as live bait fishing goes. That's a big gass

961
00:49:26,480 --> 00:49:28,920
Speaker 1: bait and you know, like you feel the tailbeat pick

962
00:49:29,000 --> 00:49:31,359
Speaker 1: up and they get wet. It's fun as shit. I

963
00:49:31,400 --> 00:49:34,400
Speaker 1: love it dearly. Um, but there's there's a lot of

964
00:49:34,440 --> 00:49:37,160
Speaker 1: gray area at the moment. And um, I'll just close

965
00:49:37,200 --> 00:49:39,600
Speaker 1: out by saying, you know, it was pointed out to

966
00:49:39,640 --> 00:49:41,880
Speaker 1: me by a buddy who actually works at the Fisherman

967
00:49:41,920 --> 00:49:44,880
Speaker 1: that Virginia as an example, um they've they've had a

968
00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:46,359
Speaker 1: law in the books for a long time that you

969
00:49:46,400 --> 00:49:50,640
Speaker 1: can't snag any bait fish. So are we ultimately headed there?

970
00:49:50,920 --> 00:49:54,240
Speaker 1: You know, don't know, maybe, but there's there's haziness for sure,

971
00:49:54,480 --> 00:49:58,080
Speaker 1: you know, even though the big picture should be good.

972
00:49:58,200 --> 00:50:00,560
Speaker 1: But as you hinted too earlier, there's also a lot

973
00:50:00,560 --> 00:50:03,640
Speaker 1: of guys throwing out the whole like circle hooks, gut

974
00:50:03,640 --> 00:50:06,000
Speaker 1: hooked more stripers than jay hooks, which is you know,

975
00:50:06,000 --> 00:50:08,000
Speaker 1: it's a whole other debate. Yeah, we don't have time

976
00:50:08,000 --> 00:50:10,799
Speaker 1: to get into the hook debate. You took this in

977
00:50:10,800 --> 00:50:13,920
Speaker 1: a different direction. Um Man. I don't feel like I

978
00:50:13,960 --> 00:50:16,600
Speaker 1: know enough to make an informed statement on any of this,

979
00:50:16,960 --> 00:50:19,640
Speaker 1: except to say, anytime you start trying to put in

980
00:50:19,719 --> 00:50:24,279
Speaker 1: regulations like this, you're gonna wind up having issues like

981
00:50:24,320 --> 00:50:26,719
Speaker 1: the one you're talking about. Right. The whole idea behind

982
00:50:26,760 --> 00:50:29,320
Speaker 1: them saying no exemptions was to clear up gray area,

983
00:50:30,320 --> 00:50:34,279
Speaker 1: and yet gray area remains. And so I think I

984
00:50:34,320 --> 00:50:37,239
Speaker 1: would say that I do not envy the folks trying

985
00:50:37,239 --> 00:50:41,160
Speaker 1: to manage that fishery at all, because what a terrible,

986
00:50:41,239 --> 00:50:44,680
Speaker 1: thankless job that is. And and also I don't know

987
00:50:44,800 --> 00:50:47,120
Speaker 1: that I could come up with a better solution, right.

988
00:50:47,160 --> 00:50:50,120
Speaker 1: I think that taking away the exemptions was smart because

989
00:50:50,160 --> 00:50:53,239
Speaker 1: otherwise it would be even an even bigger nightmare. But

990
00:50:53,440 --> 00:50:56,000
Speaker 1: you still wind up with these very specific cases that

991
00:50:56,040 --> 00:50:58,520
Speaker 1: have to be figured out. Yeah, and that's the problem,

992
00:50:58,520 --> 00:51:00,560
Speaker 1: like it has to it has to blank everything. But

993
00:51:00,600 --> 00:51:03,319
Speaker 1: there's these just these little sort of like pain in

994
00:51:03,320 --> 00:51:06,479
Speaker 1: the assid things that you can't really overlook. Years ago

995
00:51:06,960 --> 00:51:09,520
Speaker 1: bill fish tournaments, they said, if you're using natural bait

996
00:51:09,600 --> 00:51:11,759
Speaker 1: like bally who, you had to use circles and remember

997
00:51:11,760 --> 00:51:14,759
Speaker 1: a certain and if I'm not mistaken, that went away

998
00:51:14,800 --> 00:51:17,120
Speaker 1: because guys were just like, I appreciate what you're doing,

999
00:51:17,120 --> 00:51:19,920
Speaker 1: but like, we can't hook the billfish that way. You know,

1000
00:51:19,960 --> 00:51:22,759
Speaker 1: you're not gonna make a bucktail with a circle hook

1001
00:51:22,800 --> 00:51:27,359
Speaker 1: on it. So that's what I mean. It works with

1002
00:51:27,520 --> 00:51:30,480
Speaker 1: a bait live or dead on a hook cast out

1003
00:51:30,480 --> 00:51:33,280
Speaker 1: by itself. But there's so many other things that involved

1004
00:51:33,320 --> 00:51:36,440
Speaker 1: natural bait. We'll see what happens. Time will tell you know, yep,

1005
00:51:36,600 --> 00:51:39,239
Speaker 1: And and I hope you'll give us a report back

1006
00:51:39,560 --> 00:51:42,120
Speaker 1: once once you get through that season, once that you know,

1007
00:51:42,200 --> 00:51:44,279
Speaker 1: into next year. I don't see how it's going. But

1008
00:51:44,440 --> 00:51:46,279
Speaker 1: in the meantime, we're going to hear from our all

1009
00:51:46,320 --> 00:51:49,160
Speaker 1: knowing and all powerful filled the Engineer about who has

1010
00:51:49,200 --> 00:51:52,359
Speaker 1: emerged victorious this week. And after that, we're gonna head

1011
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,759
Speaker 1: out onto the ice and relive a rather awkward moment

1012
00:51:54,800 --> 00:51:57,719
Speaker 1: involving a pike, a couple of dudes, and an unnecessary

1013
00:51:57,760 --> 00:52:03,840
Speaker 1: piece of equipment for giving me a new and exciting

1014
00:52:03,960 --> 00:52:07,120
Speaker 1: use for the seventeen jars of rock Hard Plato in

1015
00:52:07,120 --> 00:52:11,960
Speaker 1: my closet. Joe Surmeli, You're the winner this week. I

1016
00:52:12,000 --> 00:52:15,200
Speaker 1: am also holding a survey on the social media, so

1017
00:52:15,280 --> 00:52:18,040
Speaker 1: please visit my Instagram stories and let me know which

1018
00:52:18,080 --> 00:52:20,120
Speaker 1: snacks will make the least amount of mess in my

1019
00:52:20,200 --> 00:52:22,600
Speaker 1: bed sheets While I binge The Queen's Gambit on Netflix

1020
00:52:22,600 --> 00:52:26,920
Speaker 1: this Sunday, Why did you take a picture a lave?

1021
00:52:30,800 --> 00:52:33,719
Speaker 1: This week's awkward moment in angling comes to us from

1022
00:52:33,800 --> 00:52:38,160
Speaker 1: listener Mike Mancini and Mike. Mike actually sent a couple photos,

1023
00:52:38,239 --> 00:52:40,520
Speaker 1: but but one of them is not of himself. It's

1024
00:52:40,560 --> 00:52:42,960
Speaker 1: of his wife, and we're not totally sure that she

1025
00:52:43,080 --> 00:52:45,440
Speaker 1: gave her permission for him to send that in for

1026
00:52:45,560 --> 00:52:48,360
Speaker 1: us to roasted. So, dude, I'm glad you brought that

1027
00:52:48,440 --> 00:52:50,400
Speaker 1: up because in fairness. When we started this set, when

1028
00:52:50,400 --> 00:52:51,920
Speaker 1: we were like, if you have whacked out pictures of

1029
00:52:51,960 --> 00:52:55,319
Speaker 1: your friends, send them along too, actually asked them first,

1030
00:52:55,760 --> 00:52:58,120
Speaker 1: because that's that's like legal ship or something that we

1031
00:52:58,160 --> 00:53:01,920
Speaker 1: didn't think about when we said it, so lawyers. We're

1032
00:53:02,000 --> 00:53:05,520
Speaker 1: definitely not lawyers. But even though we're not using that

1033
00:53:05,719 --> 00:53:08,360
Speaker 1: that that other image, Mike, we do appreciate you sending

1034
00:53:08,400 --> 00:53:12,200
Speaker 1: it because we like options. The options are good, totally, totally.

1035
00:53:12,239 --> 00:53:13,800
Speaker 1: It is always good to have variety. In case you

1036
00:53:13,880 --> 00:53:15,600
Speaker 1: missed it, that's kind of our stick here on the day.

1037
00:53:15,640 --> 00:53:18,520
Speaker 1: It's a variety show. Whether you love or hate it,

1038
00:53:18,560 --> 00:53:20,120
Speaker 1: it'll be over in a minute and we'll be onto

1039
00:53:20,200 --> 00:53:23,359
Speaker 1: something else. Anyway. We chose this image for a few reasons. First,

1040
00:53:23,719 --> 00:53:26,160
Speaker 1: it's an ice fishing shot, and since we're heading into

1041
00:53:26,200 --> 00:53:29,759
Speaker 1: ice season at least maybe maybe depending on that. I

1042
00:53:29,920 --> 00:53:32,520
Speaker 1: keep hearing a lot about this Lanninia thing this year.

1043
00:53:32,840 --> 00:53:34,960
Speaker 1: Bust out, put away your mittens, bust out your shorts,

1044
00:53:35,000 --> 00:53:37,719
Speaker 1: New Jersey. Um, we're trying to make sure that the

1045
00:53:37,760 --> 00:53:40,840
Speaker 1: hard water crowd is adequately represented because even though I

1046
00:53:40,880 --> 00:53:42,520
Speaker 1: think it's fair to say Miles and I aren't like

1047
00:53:42,640 --> 00:53:46,320
Speaker 1: ice masters, we we've We've spent plenty of time huddled

1048
00:53:46,400 --> 00:53:48,520
Speaker 1: over a hole on a frozen lake. I've been known

1049
00:53:48,600 --> 00:53:51,600
Speaker 1: to run full board for the close flags at least

1050
00:53:52,080 --> 00:53:54,600
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, maybe on occasion crack a beer

1051
00:53:54,920 --> 00:53:58,080
Speaker 1: out there. So I've definitely done that. I have. I

1052
00:53:58,560 --> 00:54:01,160
Speaker 1: will say this though, like and I've said it before,

1053
00:54:01,280 --> 00:54:03,280
Speaker 1: but I'm gonna say it again. I think ice fishing

1054
00:54:03,400 --> 00:54:06,200
Speaker 1: is just often and too often portrayed as an excuse

1055
00:54:06,280 --> 00:54:09,120
Speaker 1: to drink. And I keep bringing this up because I

1056
00:54:09,360 --> 00:54:11,759
Speaker 1: I thought that before I started ice fishing. I was like, dude,

1057
00:54:11,800 --> 00:54:13,840
Speaker 1: that's just a reason to go, like drink whiskey and

1058
00:54:13,880 --> 00:54:15,960
Speaker 1: a shanty and pretend like you're doing something. But I

1059
00:54:16,080 --> 00:54:20,200
Speaker 1: was wrong, and and there's actually there's actually a lot

1060
00:54:20,239 --> 00:54:22,239
Speaker 1: to it. Ice fishing could be pretty technical, and I

1061
00:54:22,320 --> 00:54:24,479
Speaker 1: think if you're hammered, you're probably not gonna be fishing

1062
00:54:24,480 --> 00:54:27,160
Speaker 1: that well, you probably won't do all that well yeah, no, no, no,

1063
00:54:27,280 --> 00:54:29,680
Speaker 1: I agree. But hold on though, because Mike's photo actually

1064
00:54:30,320 --> 00:54:33,640
Speaker 1: might suggest otherwise to the contrary of everything you just said.

1065
00:54:33,960 --> 00:54:36,520
Speaker 1: Because the second reason we picked this one is that

1066
00:54:36,800 --> 00:54:40,319
Speaker 1: Mike's holding a legitimately good fish. Man. You know, that's

1067
00:54:40,360 --> 00:54:44,000
Speaker 1: a solid Pike's a healthy, healthy pike. It is. It's

1068
00:54:44,000 --> 00:54:47,200
Speaker 1: a respectable pike, or at least it looks pretty respectable,

1069
00:54:47,280 --> 00:54:49,640
Speaker 1: but it's kind of hard to tell with all the

1070
00:54:49,760 --> 00:54:53,640
Speaker 1: hands covering up the body. Because here's the other thing.

1071
00:54:53,840 --> 00:54:56,359
Speaker 1: Here's where we go on a different track. Mike isn't

1072
00:54:56,440 --> 00:54:59,160
Speaker 1: the only one in this photo. He's not. He's not.

1073
00:54:59,600 --> 00:55:02,840
Speaker 1: He's got company. In fact, let me just set this up. So,

1074
00:55:03,040 --> 00:55:06,640
Speaker 1: so there's Mike on the ice, He's holding his nice fish.

1075
00:55:06,680 --> 00:55:10,480
Speaker 1: It's pretty normal, really, But then you see Mike's buddy

1076
00:55:11,760 --> 00:55:17,360
Speaker 1: shoulder to shoulder with him, also holding his fish, and

1077
00:55:17,719 --> 00:55:19,560
Speaker 1: like it's a nice pike, like we said, but we're

1078
00:55:19,560 --> 00:55:22,480
Speaker 1: not talking. This is like a three pound sturgeon that

1079
00:55:22,600 --> 00:55:26,840
Speaker 1: he's holding up no support from a buddy. He's capable

1080
00:55:26,920 --> 00:55:30,120
Speaker 1: of holding it on his own. Yeah, And Mike's Mike's

1081
00:55:30,160 --> 00:55:32,040
Speaker 1: got the thing like well in hand, like he's got

1082
00:55:32,080 --> 00:55:35,359
Speaker 1: a good grip on it, and his buddies not even

1083
00:55:35,440 --> 00:55:38,319
Speaker 1: really holding it in like a like a meaningful way.

1084
00:55:39,200 --> 00:55:41,359
Speaker 1: He's adding nothing to the hold of the fish. He's

1085
00:55:41,360 --> 00:55:45,120
Speaker 1: just kind of awkwardly. It's like fondling the tail, just

1086
00:55:45,239 --> 00:55:47,800
Speaker 1: covering up the tail. Really, and I'll just I'll just

1087
00:55:47,960 --> 00:55:49,719
Speaker 1: I'll just go for the punch. They're both grinning like

1088
00:55:49,840 --> 00:55:53,440
Speaker 1: complete idiots. Yeah, yeah, no other way to say that.

1089
00:55:54,040 --> 00:55:56,200
Speaker 1: And tell me it doesn't look like they're posing for

1090
00:55:56,280 --> 00:56:00,080
Speaker 1: a wedding photo. It does like it should be like

1091
00:56:00,160 --> 00:56:03,160
Speaker 1: the mandatory It's like the mandatory groom and best man

1092
00:56:03,280 --> 00:56:07,920
Speaker 1: bro hug shot after the ceremony. Yes, but I mean instead,

1093
00:56:07,960 --> 00:56:09,960
Speaker 1: you know, we're not really celebrating a major life moment.

1094
00:56:10,000 --> 00:56:12,160
Speaker 1: They're just holding what I'd say as a decent pike.

1095
00:56:12,719 --> 00:56:16,600
Speaker 1: Decent yeah, yeah, and like look to be fair to Mike,

1096
00:56:17,360 --> 00:56:20,800
Speaker 1: he explained all of this in his email. He addressed

1097
00:56:20,840 --> 00:56:22,640
Speaker 1: all that and and it's short, so I'll just read

1098
00:56:22,680 --> 00:56:24,960
Speaker 1: the whole thing. He wrote to us. This is my

1099
00:56:25,080 --> 00:56:28,800
Speaker 1: personal best Northern through the ice or otherwise. My buddy

1100
00:56:28,840 --> 00:56:34,400
Speaker 1: and I were deep and thought that standing shoulder to

1101
00:56:34,440 --> 00:56:40,120
Speaker 1: shoulder would help illustrate our majestic catch. Instead, we looked

1102
00:56:40,160 --> 00:56:42,560
Speaker 1: like a couple of nubs who drank way too much.

1103
00:56:43,120 --> 00:56:47,359
Speaker 1: And they do that is that is exactly right? And Joe,

1104
00:56:47,560 --> 00:56:51,120
Speaker 1: like to your earlier point, that does undermine my claim

1105
00:56:51,160 --> 00:56:53,200
Speaker 1: about drinking and ice fishing a little bit because they

1106
00:56:53,280 --> 00:56:56,680
Speaker 1: happen to pull this one off. Yes, but wait, there's more,

1107
00:56:56,880 --> 00:56:59,560
Speaker 1: because while his explanation there explains the goofy grins and

1108
00:56:59,560 --> 00:57:02,560
Speaker 1: awkward pozing, it fails to address there's just one thing

1109
00:57:02,600 --> 00:57:05,560
Speaker 1: about this photo that it actually caught our attention. We

1110
00:57:05,640 --> 00:57:09,239
Speaker 1: haven't even talked about the attention catcher yet he didn't

1111
00:57:09,480 --> 00:57:13,040
Speaker 1: talk about it, no, that being the freaking jaw spreader

1112
00:57:13,600 --> 00:57:17,400
Speaker 1: still lodged in the pike's mouth, all right, And I

1113
00:57:17,480 --> 00:57:19,640
Speaker 1: feel like for those of you don't know, a little clarification.

1114
00:57:20,000 --> 00:57:23,280
Speaker 1: A jaw spreader, it's like a it's a metal spring

1115
00:57:23,400 --> 00:57:26,360
Speaker 1: loaded device that that you used to hold open the

1116
00:57:26,440 --> 00:57:29,000
Speaker 1: mouths of large and toothy fish like pike and muskie.

1117
00:57:29,040 --> 00:57:31,560
Speaker 1: So you can like use that. It opens up the jaw,

1118
00:57:31,760 --> 00:57:34,320
Speaker 1: holds it open, and you can remove the hook without

1119
00:57:34,320 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: getting your fingers all messed up. Yes, and and look,

1120
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,400
Speaker 1: it's a perfectly acceptable tool I have. I have one,

1121
00:57:39,520 --> 00:57:42,640
Speaker 1: and and the size of the fish they caught justifies

1122
00:57:42,680 --> 00:57:46,040
Speaker 1: the use of a jaw spreader. But but once once

1123
00:57:46,120 --> 00:57:48,600
Speaker 1: you take the hook out of the fish, I'm gonna

1124
00:57:48,600 --> 00:57:50,840
Speaker 1: go ahead and say, it's generally customary to also remove

1125
00:57:50,920 --> 00:57:56,000
Speaker 1: the jaw spreader. And you're you're certainly gonna want to

1126
00:57:56,040 --> 00:57:59,000
Speaker 1: remove the jaw spreader before you take a hero shot,

1127
00:57:59,080 --> 00:58:01,920
Speaker 1: and it's similar. It reminds me very much of when

1128
00:58:01,920 --> 00:58:04,320
Speaker 1: you see that shot as somebody holding a fish horizontally,

1129
00:58:04,720 --> 00:58:07,280
Speaker 1: you know, with both hands supporting the stomach, but there's

1130
00:58:07,280 --> 00:58:11,280
Speaker 1: still a fish gripper or boga hanging off. I see

1131
00:58:11,280 --> 00:58:13,120
Speaker 1: it all the time, and I'm like, you ruined your ship,

1132
00:58:13,360 --> 00:58:16,640
Speaker 1: You just ruined that photo. Wh just take it off? Yeah?

1133
00:58:16,680 --> 00:58:18,920
Speaker 1: Would you take it off? Yeah? Yeah, it's like the

1134
00:58:19,000 --> 00:58:21,520
Speaker 1: pike version of that. That's that's a good analogy. And

1135
00:58:21,720 --> 00:58:25,920
Speaker 1: I I just feel bad for the fish, really, like

1136
00:58:26,040 --> 00:58:27,280
Speaker 1: that's what I think. I look at that and I

1137
00:58:27,360 --> 00:58:29,240
Speaker 1: feel bad for the fish because it already lost most

1138
00:58:29,280 --> 00:58:31,440
Speaker 1: of its dignity getting caught by this dude who's just

1139
00:58:31,680 --> 00:58:35,720
Speaker 1: blind drunk, I mean, just out of his mind drunk,

1140
00:58:35,760 --> 00:58:39,560
Speaker 1: but now caught by the drunk. Yeah, and but now

1141
00:58:39,680 --> 00:58:41,400
Speaker 1: on top of that, it's getting held up for like

1142
00:58:41,520 --> 00:58:45,320
Speaker 1: a group fetish photo biting down on the rough equivalent

1143
00:58:45,360 --> 00:58:50,280
Speaker 1: of a metal ball gag for fish, I mean, for it, no, no,

1144
00:58:50,440 --> 00:58:53,880
Speaker 1: you're it is truly debased. And I don't know if

1145
00:58:53,920 --> 00:58:56,200
Speaker 1: I hope that fish was released because it's clearly a

1146
00:58:56,320 --> 00:58:58,800
Speaker 1: mature female and exactly the kind of fish you want

1147
00:58:58,840 --> 00:59:03,280
Speaker 1: passing launch ginette X or or just put out of

1148
00:59:03,320 --> 00:59:08,080
Speaker 1: its misery after that that level of humiliation, so you know, well,

1149
00:59:08,600 --> 00:59:11,400
Speaker 1: you know, to be fair, that's really what this segment

1150
00:59:11,520 --> 00:59:15,040
Speaker 1: is all about. Humiliation. That's kind of what we're doing here.

1151
00:59:15,480 --> 00:59:17,720
Speaker 1: And to all of you out there, if you want

1152
00:59:17,840 --> 00:59:21,880
Speaker 1: the chance to experience your own humiliation through us, please

1153
00:59:22,320 --> 00:59:25,880
Speaker 1: send your awkward phishing photos. We we look forward to them.

1154
00:59:26,160 --> 00:59:29,200
Speaker 1: They truly are the highlights of our week. Sometimes Miles

1155
00:59:29,280 --> 00:59:31,640
Speaker 1: is saying true things. They really are the thing we

1156
00:59:31,720 --> 00:59:35,280
Speaker 1: look forward to most. Send those embarrassing fishing related photos

1157
00:59:35,320 --> 00:59:38,480
Speaker 1: to us at bent at the meme eater dot com. Please,

1158
00:59:41,760 --> 00:59:45,480
Speaker 1: all right, for the record, that segment is a perfect

1159
00:59:45,680 --> 00:59:48,760
Speaker 1: example of the kinds of grip and grin photos that

1160
00:59:48,800 --> 00:59:52,240
Speaker 1: I like, alright, the ones that don't take themselves seriously.

1161
00:59:52,520 --> 00:59:55,520
Speaker 1: I love those that, my friend is one point we

1162
00:59:55,560 --> 00:59:57,840
Speaker 1: definitely agree on. Another thing we agree on is your

1163
00:59:57,960 --> 01:00:00,640
Speaker 1: choice for this week's end the line segment. In fact,

1164
01:00:01,040 --> 01:00:03,920
Speaker 1: when I think about iconic lures, this is one of

1165
01:00:03,960 --> 01:00:10,680
Speaker 1: the first that comes to mind. It's not loud enough

1166
01:00:10,720 --> 01:00:16,880
Speaker 1: bur This week I'm going to tell you about the

1167
01:00:16,960 --> 01:00:20,400
Speaker 1: Rappola original floating minnow, which you know might be a

1168
01:00:20,440 --> 01:00:22,720
Speaker 1: little too on the nose. It's kind of like the

1169
01:00:22,760 --> 01:00:24,440
Speaker 1: interview we did with Oliver and I a couple of

1170
01:00:24,480 --> 01:00:27,520
Speaker 1: weeks ago. One piece of tackle you cannot live without.

1171
01:00:29,760 --> 01:00:32,360
Speaker 1: Uh yeah, I really should have seen that one coming.

1172
01:00:33,000 --> 01:00:35,800
Speaker 1: Choosing to profile the best selling lure in the world

1173
01:00:36,120 --> 01:00:40,080
Speaker 1: in a segment about lures, bates and flies seems equally obvious.

1174
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:43,640
Speaker 1: But just because most anglers know about this lure and

1175
01:00:43,760 --> 01:00:45,520
Speaker 1: have at least a few of them in their boxes

1176
01:00:45,760 --> 01:00:48,160
Speaker 1: doesn't mean they have the whole story, and trust me,

1177
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:52,720
Speaker 1: it's a good one. First, let's clear up the pronunciation debate.

1178
01:00:53,560 --> 01:01:00,440
Speaker 1: Is it rapaula, rappola, repella? Technically none of those are correct.

1179
01:01:01,160 --> 01:01:04,880
Speaker 1: Rappila was named for its Finnish inventor, Lori Rapila. The

1180
01:01:04,960 --> 01:01:09,880
Speaker 1: Finnish word rap has a distinctly rolled R. But I

1181
01:01:09,920 --> 01:01:12,520
Speaker 1: wouldn't walk into your local tackle shop and ask them

1182
01:01:12,560 --> 01:01:16,840
Speaker 1: where they keep their Actually, I take that back. I

1183
01:01:16,920 --> 01:01:18,800
Speaker 1: do recommend you do that, but please be sure to

1184
01:01:18,840 --> 01:01:21,200
Speaker 1: record audio of the whole thing and send it to us.

1185
01:01:21,960 --> 01:01:24,160
Speaker 1: As far as the Rapple of Bait Company is concerned,

1186
01:01:24,480 --> 01:01:27,720
Speaker 1: you can pronounce it anyway you want. They don't really care.

1187
01:01:28,000 --> 01:01:31,160
Speaker 1: They sell twenty million lures annually and their products have

1188
01:01:31,240 --> 01:01:33,600
Speaker 1: got more I g F a world record fish than

1189
01:01:33,680 --> 01:01:37,360
Speaker 1: any others, so they have that going for him, which

1190
01:01:37,440 --> 01:01:40,680
Speaker 1: is nice. But the world's most popular lure has a

1191
01:01:40,760 --> 01:01:45,360
Speaker 1: surprisingly humble and unique origin, as does the name itself.

1192
01:01:46,000 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: Lori Rappola carved the first iteration of this bait in

1193
01:01:49,800 --> 01:01:54,080
Speaker 1: asi Kala, Finland, but Lori's family wasn't originally from there.

1194
01:01:54,520 --> 01:01:56,600
Speaker 1: They moved to that town when he was a young boy,

1195
01:01:56,680 --> 01:02:00,440
Speaker 1: and when they arrived, the local clergyman, who also functioned

1196
01:02:00,480 --> 01:02:03,280
Speaker 1: as the town's record keeper, failed to write down his

1197
01:02:03,360 --> 01:02:07,480
Speaker 1: family's actual surname, instead inscribing the name of the town

1198
01:02:08,040 --> 01:02:12,960
Speaker 1: from which they had emigrated, Rappola, which in Finnish actually

1199
01:02:13,080 --> 01:02:18,320
Speaker 1: translates to mud. Yeah. The inventor of the most popular

1200
01:02:18,400 --> 01:02:22,360
Speaker 1: lure in history was actually named mud. As a young man,

1201
01:02:22,800 --> 01:02:27,200
Speaker 1: Laurie was uneducated but enterprising. During the winter he worked

1202
01:02:27,240 --> 01:02:29,480
Speaker 1: as a lumberjack, and in the summer he worked as

1203
01:02:29,520 --> 01:02:33,640
Speaker 1: a farm hand and commercial fisherman on nearby Lake Paiana.

1204
01:02:34,320 --> 01:02:37,720
Speaker 1: He harvested whitefish, pike, and perch, but trout were the

1205
01:02:37,800 --> 01:02:41,320
Speaker 1: real prize. Three big trout would earn him more money

1206
01:02:41,360 --> 01:02:44,920
Speaker 1: than two weeks pay at a local factory. Lori primarily

1207
01:02:45,000 --> 01:02:48,080
Speaker 1: fish with trot lines and live minnows, an arduous and

1208
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:51,240
Speaker 1: labor intensive way of fishing, especially since he fished out

1209
01:02:51,280 --> 01:02:54,160
Speaker 1: of a rowboat and would regularly row more than thirty

1210
01:02:54,200 --> 01:02:57,240
Speaker 1: miles a day. First, he had to catch all his bait,

1211
01:02:57,760 --> 01:03:00,400
Speaker 1: and then he was constantly baiting and rebaiting his hooks

1212
01:03:00,440 --> 01:03:03,600
Speaker 1: while also trying to keep meadows fresh and lively. Long

1213
01:03:03,680 --> 01:03:07,960
Speaker 1: before portable narrators were a thing, Laurie became convinced that

1214
01:03:08,040 --> 01:03:11,360
Speaker 1: a lure that effectively imitated wounded bait fish would be

1215
01:03:11,480 --> 01:03:16,200
Speaker 1: far more efficient, so he started designing. One story goes

1216
01:03:16,640 --> 01:03:19,800
Speaker 1: that his first few iterations didn't work, but Laurie just

1217
01:03:19,880 --> 01:03:23,360
Speaker 1: kept on experimenting. According to one source, Lorie consulted with

1218
01:03:23,440 --> 01:03:26,200
Speaker 1: a local hermit who lived on an island in the

1219
01:03:26,280 --> 01:03:29,520
Speaker 1: middle of Lake Paiana to help assess what was wrong

1220
01:03:29,600 --> 01:03:33,080
Speaker 1: with his early inventions. In ninety six, he completed a

1221
01:03:33,120 --> 01:03:36,960
Speaker 1: successful prototype for what would become nearly three decades later,

1222
01:03:37,360 --> 01:03:41,440
Speaker 1: the Rappela floating minnow. It was card from cork covered

1223
01:03:41,480 --> 01:03:44,240
Speaker 1: with foil from chocolate bar rappers tossed out by more

1224
01:03:44,320 --> 01:03:48,880
Speaker 1: wealthy neighbors and sealed with cast off photographic negatives that

1225
01:03:49,000 --> 01:03:53,120
Speaker 1: he melted over the lure. According to Laurie's sons, he

1226
01:03:53,320 --> 01:03:56,520
Speaker 1: trolled it without a rod, tying the line directly to

1227
01:03:56,680 --> 01:03:59,800
Speaker 1: his thumb to ensure that he wouldn't lose the precious lure,

1228
01:04:00,240 --> 01:04:03,480
Speaker 1: and it worked. Legend has it that Laurie started hauling

1229
01:04:03,520 --> 01:04:06,640
Speaker 1: in up to six hundred pounds of pike and trout

1230
01:04:06,760 --> 01:04:10,560
Speaker 1: a day on his new invention, and the timing was

1231
01:04:10,680 --> 01:04:14,520
Speaker 1: fortuitous because three years later war broke out across Europe

1232
01:04:14,840 --> 01:04:18,520
Speaker 1: and so did food shortages. Laurie kept his family fed

1233
01:04:18,600 --> 01:04:21,440
Speaker 1: with his new lure until the war came to Finland.

1234
01:04:21,960 --> 01:04:24,960
Speaker 1: Then Laurie left the fishing to his sons while he

1235
01:04:25,080 --> 01:04:28,400
Speaker 1: went off to defend his homeland. He fought in the

1236
01:04:28,480 --> 01:04:31,640
Speaker 1: Second World War for six years before returning to fishing

1237
01:04:32,080 --> 01:04:35,520
Speaker 1: and lure making. In the post war boom of economic

1238
01:04:35,560 --> 01:04:39,400
Speaker 1: prosperity that boosted much of the West, interest in recreational

1239
01:04:39,480 --> 01:04:43,440
Speaker 1: fishing began to grow. Anglers who came to fish Lake

1240
01:04:43,480 --> 01:04:46,960
Speaker 1: Paiana from around Europe heard about Lorie's amazing lures and

1241
01:04:47,120 --> 01:04:50,640
Speaker 1: began buying them off of him. Laurie's sons started apprenticing

1242
01:04:50,720 --> 01:04:54,400
Speaker 1: under their father, learning to carve and craft perfect imitations

1243
01:04:54,440 --> 01:04:58,000
Speaker 1: of his invention. One of Lourie's daughters meanwhile set to

1244
01:04:58,040 --> 01:05:02,000
Speaker 1: work designing and writing promotional copy and boxes to help

1245
01:05:02,080 --> 01:05:04,920
Speaker 1: sell the lures, and also keeping records to ensure that

1246
01:05:05,040 --> 01:05:08,360
Speaker 1: the family got paid, because, unlike her father, she had

1247
01:05:08,400 --> 01:05:11,640
Speaker 1: been able to attend school. The younger generation of Rappela's

1248
01:05:11,760 --> 01:05:15,720
Speaker 1: transformed their father's idea for maximizing his commercial harvest into

1249
01:05:15,800 --> 01:05:20,800
Speaker 1: a recreational fishing business, utilizing mechanization and turning his hand

1250
01:05:20,920 --> 01:05:26,600
Speaker 1: carved blueprint into a scaled production. Lori meanwhile maintained exacting

1251
01:05:26,680 --> 01:05:29,800
Speaker 1: standards for their products and insisted that every single lure

1252
01:05:29,880 --> 01:05:32,880
Speaker 1: be water tested to ensure it had the perfect wobbling

1253
01:05:32,920 --> 01:05:37,520
Speaker 1: action before being sold. In nineteen fifty two, the Winter

1254
01:05:37,640 --> 01:05:42,560
Speaker 1: Olympics were held in Helsinki, several American competitors were introduced

1255
01:05:42,600 --> 01:05:45,320
Speaker 1: to the rappill lure and brought some back with them

1256
01:05:45,320 --> 01:05:49,080
Speaker 1: to the US. Pretty soon rumors began to spread about

1257
01:05:49,160 --> 01:05:53,600
Speaker 1: this so called finlander plug. A Minneapolis based tackle rep

1258
01:05:53,760 --> 01:05:56,800
Speaker 1: named Ron Weber managed to track a few down at

1259
01:05:56,800 --> 01:05:59,800
Speaker 1: a bait shop in Duluth that was owned by Finnish immigrants.

1260
01:06:00,200 --> 01:06:03,840
Speaker 1: He was so impressed that he wrote Lorie directly, asking

1261
01:06:03,920 --> 01:06:06,640
Speaker 1: for five hundred units, which was nearly half of the

1262
01:06:06,760 --> 01:06:11,040
Speaker 1: annual production at that time. In nineteen sixty, Webber teamed

1263
01:06:11,120 --> 01:06:14,840
Speaker 1: up with sporting goods store owner Ray Ostrom to found Normark,

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Speaker 1: the American company that would go on to distribute Rapilis

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Speaker 1: across North America. Sales were slow for the first couple

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Speaker 1: of years. Rapplers cost nearly two bucks, which was more

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Speaker 1: than double the price of most lures in those days.

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Speaker 1: But everything changed in nineteen sixty two when Marilyn Monroe

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Speaker 1: graced the cover of Life magazine just after her untimely death.

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Speaker 1: That issue sold millions of copies, more than Life had

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Speaker 1: ever sold before, and it also just happened to include

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Speaker 1: another article titled a lure fish Can't Pass Up. Two

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Speaker 1: million orders came in after that article, ran far outstripping

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Speaker 1: the available supply. The company has continued to grow and

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Speaker 1: innovate ever since, becoming do you biquitous brand we know today.

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Speaker 1: The Lorrie died in four His family continues to own

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Speaker 1: and operate Rapila from their headquarters in Finland, and while

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Speaker 1: much has changed since the Rapplers were hand carving their

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Speaker 1: baits from their home near Lake Paiana. Loria's commitment to

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Speaker 1: quality remains. Each lure is still individually tank tested before

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Speaker 1: being packaged and sold. Now me, personally, I will always

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Speaker 1: love raps. I've got muskie, pike, smallmouth, wiley pan fish,

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Speaker 1: and god knows how many barracuda and jack's on them.

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Speaker 1: But despite all those catches, rapplers will be forever synonymous

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Speaker 1: with one single fish, and that's my first top water

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Speaker 1: large mouth. I was fishing a glassy dusk with one

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Speaker 1: of my uncles and he had me tie on an

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Speaker 1: original floating minnow black and gold, the same colors as

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Speaker 1: Lori's prototype, and he told me to cash it out

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Speaker 1: and twitch it on the surface with long pauses in between.

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Speaker 1: The colossal splat mayhem that followed may have helped set

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Speaker 1: the trajectory of my entire life. It wasn't a big bass,

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Speaker 1: maybe a couple of pounds, but the way to attack

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Speaker 1: that floating, wiggling lure was unlike anything else I had

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Speaker 1: ever experienced. All Right, if you were bidding on the

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Speaker 1: auction items found in this week's abandoned storage unit, you'd

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Speaker 1: have to choose between naming hurricanes after w w E wrestlers,

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Speaker 1: what you can get when you cross a mountain whitefish

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Speaker 1: with a tarp and wide jaw spreaders are not popular

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Speaker 1: in the b DSM community, and the best use you've

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Speaker 1: ever heard for the foil wrapper off a chocolate bar.

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Speaker 1: Please please keep those emails coming to Bent at the

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Speaker 1: meat eater dot com. We want your bar nominations, awkward photos,

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Speaker 1: sale bin items, even your grip and grins, as long

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Speaker 1: as they help tell a good story. Maybe just drop

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Speaker 1: us a quick note let us know how you're doing

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Speaker 1: or how the fishing is out your way. We appreciate

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Speaker 1: hearing from each and every one of you, and even

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Speaker 1: though we're not perfect, we do try to respond to

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Speaker 1: as many emails and messages as we can. It's true,

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Speaker 1: It's true. It's a It's like a little productive procrastination

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Speaker 1: that I can do when I'm putting off real work,

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Speaker 1: like trying to write podcast segments. True, reading those emails

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Speaker 1: is a great way to not do actual work. Whatever

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Speaker 1: it is you're doing this week to avoid your real job,

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Speaker 1: we hope it involves fishing.