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Speaker 1: a thirty two yard pickup. Now, here's your host, super

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Speaker 1: Bowl forty eight champion, Robert Turbin. What's up? What's up? Everybody?

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Speaker 1: It's your boy, Robert Turbin. Welcome to the first ever

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Speaker 1: episode of Seahawks Stories, featuring our very special guest, Paul Morier. Paul,

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Speaker 1: what's up with you today? Man? How you doing? I'm

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Speaker 1: doing well. I feel like I should be interviewing you

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Speaker 1: first one, and h's been It's been an honor really

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Speaker 1: you know the highlights. You know it's Super Bowl Champion.

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Speaker 1: You know it's still fresh. I'm like, look, I followed

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Speaker 1: out of Utah State. I mean, so part of me's like, oh,

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Speaker 1: to be interviewed too. Well, you know what, we're making

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Speaker 1: anticipating this thing eventually being a huge thing I have.

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Speaker 1: I'm a big dreamer. I don't know about you, but

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Speaker 1: To have you one, Paul, it's an honor and I'm

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Speaker 1: very grateful that you're taking the time to chop it

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Speaker 1: a lot of good people, you know, if you're you know,

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Speaker 1: with the Seahawks, absolutely, but your journey didn't start in Seattle.

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Speaker 1: You were native. Where are you from originally? Yeah? Yeah,

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Speaker 1: for you? Because you know, some people don't understand how

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00:23:34,560 --> 00:23:39,760
Speaker 1: much the game is much less physical and much more mental.

426
00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:44,719
Speaker 1: It takes a lot of belief in yourself confidence and

427
00:23:44,760 --> 00:23:46,960
Speaker 1: there you you get to a point in your career.

428
00:23:47,000 --> 00:23:50,400
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's early, you know, sometimes it's your rookie year.

429
00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:55,680
Speaker 1: Sometimes it's not till year three, etc. But it clicks

430
00:23:55,720 --> 00:23:59,080
Speaker 1: for you and you're like, man, you know I'm in

431
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:02,639
Speaker 1: this zone for lack of a better word, I know

432
00:24:02,760 --> 00:24:05,760
Speaker 1: exactly what I'm doing and I know that I can

433
00:24:05,800 --> 00:24:09,520
Speaker 1: be a great player. Now you became a starter eventually, Right,

434
00:24:10,320 --> 00:24:13,520
Speaker 1: when did that happen for you? When after a rookie

435
00:24:13,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 1: when't that happened for you where you became a starter

436
00:24:16,000 --> 00:24:20,280
Speaker 1: and things just started to click in your confidence skyrockets

437
00:24:20,359 --> 00:24:22,840
Speaker 1: where you know I can be a real force and

438
00:24:23,040 --> 00:24:27,359
Speaker 1: leader on this defense. Yeah, my rookie year, I had

439
00:24:27,800 --> 00:24:31,080
Speaker 1: pretty good success. And you know Kenny Easily, who I

440
00:24:31,119 --> 00:24:33,919
Speaker 1: was backing up at the time, you know, pretty pretty,

441
00:24:34,000 --> 00:24:36,439
Speaker 1: pretty tough guy to unseat, you know, future Hall of

442
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,840
Speaker 1: Famer and really the best safety in the league at

443
00:24:38,880 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: the time. And I'm throwing in Ronnie a lot in

444
00:24:41,680 --> 00:24:44,080
Speaker 1: the same era. I mean, that's how good Kenny Easily was.

445
00:24:44,880 --> 00:24:46,680
Speaker 1: I had a lot of success and probably though it

446
00:24:46,760 --> 00:24:52,200
Speaker 1: wasn't until nineteen eighty six eighty seven, I felt as well.

447
00:24:52,240 --> 00:24:55,040
Speaker 1: But eighty six was the turning point and Kenny Easily

448
00:24:55,040 --> 00:24:57,639
Speaker 1: had missed the last five games of the year. I

449
00:24:57,720 --> 00:25:00,920
Speaker 1: started six games that season. Was six and oh when

450
00:25:00,920 --> 00:25:03,000
Speaker 1: I was a starter. I think I had three picks

451
00:25:03,040 --> 00:25:07,479
Speaker 1: that season, and it was just the coaches coming up

452
00:25:07,480 --> 00:25:09,920
Speaker 1: to me and saying, hey, we need to make sure

453
00:25:09,960 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: you believe you can start in this league, because I

454
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,200
Speaker 1: didn't really think I could I'm backing up Kenny Easily

455
00:25:16,240 --> 00:25:21,320
Speaker 1: another guy named John Harris. Two veteran guys with strong personalities,

456
00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:24,119
Speaker 1: unbelievably smart. I mean, I want two of the smartest

457
00:25:24,119 --> 00:25:27,600
Speaker 1: football players I've ever been around. So you know, you sometimes,

458
00:25:27,640 --> 00:25:29,480
Speaker 1: just looking at your big brother, you don't think you're

459
00:25:29,680 --> 00:25:32,560
Speaker 1: as good as them, and you're not maybe worthy. And

460
00:25:32,600 --> 00:25:34,639
Speaker 1: so I took to eighty six for the coaches and

461
00:25:34,720 --> 00:25:38,280
Speaker 1: me to really have starting success where I said, okay,

462
00:25:38,359 --> 00:25:41,240
Speaker 1: I'm good enough here. I got the system. I was

463
00:25:41,240 --> 00:25:45,360
Speaker 1: always a playmaker. I've always intercepted and been around the football,

464
00:25:46,000 --> 00:25:48,439
Speaker 1: but that was big and then eighty seven same, I

465
00:25:48,480 --> 00:25:52,959
Speaker 1: got more opportunities. And then finally when they traded Kenny easily,

466
00:25:52,960 --> 00:25:55,480
Speaker 1: what I want to go to that whole story going

467
00:25:55,520 --> 00:25:58,399
Speaker 1: into eighty eight. I had the opportunity to start that

468
00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:02,320
Speaker 1: year and I should have had ten interceptions. I think

469
00:26:02,359 --> 00:26:05,800
Speaker 1: I had two call back and I dropped too. Oh man,

470
00:26:06,040 --> 00:26:08,520
Speaker 1: the drop. The drop's gotta hurt. I mean, the getting

471
00:26:08,520 --> 00:26:12,160
Speaker 1: callback is one thing, but yeah, yeah, and that would

472
00:26:12,200 --> 00:26:14,479
Speaker 1: have been a nice one. And you know, as an

473
00:26:14,520 --> 00:26:17,919
Speaker 1: alternate Pro bowler that year, but you know, one or

474
00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:20,080
Speaker 1: two more probably got me, would have got me there

475
00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,560
Speaker 1: and that would have been that would have been nice

476
00:26:21,600 --> 00:26:25,760
Speaker 1: to have on the mantel. Eleven interceptions in your career,

477
00:26:26,200 --> 00:26:29,240
Speaker 1: and you mentioned in the playoffs playing against guys the

478
00:26:29,320 --> 00:26:33,960
Speaker 1: likes of Dan Marino, who's the guy, gotta know the intercept?

479
00:26:34,040 --> 00:26:37,320
Speaker 1: Who's the quarterback that you intercepted? That's just like man,

480
00:26:37,520 --> 00:26:42,560
Speaker 1: I intercepted that guy. Um, I'm pretty fortunate. Few Hall

481
00:26:42,600 --> 00:26:47,439
Speaker 1: of famers I have, John Elway, Uh, I have. Warren

482
00:26:47,520 --> 00:26:51,240
Speaker 1: Moon is one of my favorites because it was Yeah,

483
00:26:51,240 --> 00:26:53,720
Speaker 1: he was at the time where they were the Houston Oilers.

484
00:26:53,920 --> 00:26:57,640
Speaker 1: That's right, shoot man, they were good. I mean they

485
00:26:57,680 --> 00:27:01,080
Speaker 1: were loaded at wide receiver running back. Moon was scary

486
00:27:01,119 --> 00:27:04,960
Speaker 1: because he could make every throw imaginable. He can run too.

487
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,719
Speaker 1: He could run. He didn't want to run, but he

488
00:27:07,760 --> 00:27:10,840
Speaker 1: could run, mainly because he got his one of the

489
00:27:10,840 --> 00:27:14,639
Speaker 1: most beautiful arms in the history of football. But I

490
00:27:14,680 --> 00:27:18,000
Speaker 1: intercepted him. They were going into score and potentially beat us.

491
00:27:18,040 --> 00:27:20,360
Speaker 1: I intercept. I kind of baited him on this one play.

492
00:27:20,440 --> 00:27:22,720
Speaker 1: We knew it was coming. Okay, it was where they

493
00:27:23,359 --> 00:27:25,400
Speaker 1: had done. I actually I thought he got me by

494
00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,880
Speaker 1: just at the last second I realized what I did.

495
00:27:28,520 --> 00:27:31,200
Speaker 1: Came back intercept took it down the sideline and kind

496
00:27:31,200 --> 00:27:33,719
Speaker 1: of I don't want to say completely sealed the game,

497
00:27:33,760 --> 00:27:35,680
Speaker 1: but it was a big interception. But I had Jim

498
00:27:35,800 --> 00:27:41,359
Speaker 1: Kelly intercepted. Jim. The guy who really didn't intercept it

499
00:27:41,640 --> 00:27:44,399
Speaker 1: gave me a rough night, was Joe Montana. That's what

500
00:27:45,560 --> 00:27:50,600
Speaker 1: you know second grades now, you know, I'll tell you

501
00:27:50,600 --> 00:27:53,520
Speaker 1: a funny story on this one. So it's nineteen eighty eight,

502
00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,320
Speaker 1: we're playing him. I want to say, the third game

503
00:27:55,359 --> 00:27:59,400
Speaker 1: of the year. We're number two in defense at the time.

504
00:27:59,400 --> 00:28:03,080
Speaker 1: After the first two games, we've just beaten uh Denver

505
00:28:03,160 --> 00:28:06,600
Speaker 1: in Kansas City, and the Raiders and Demo are big rivals.

506
00:28:06,600 --> 00:28:09,880
Speaker 1: You know, John Elway same age as me, came out together. Um,

507
00:28:09,920 --> 00:28:12,679
Speaker 1: so we're playing the forty nine Ers third game of

508
00:28:12,680 --> 00:28:14,440
Speaker 1: the year. I want to see they were number one

509
00:28:14,480 --> 00:28:18,359
Speaker 1: in offense. We were number two in defense. When the

510
00:28:18,440 --> 00:28:21,320
Speaker 1: game was over, they were number one in offense. I

511
00:28:21,320 --> 00:28:25,680
Speaker 1: think we were twenty eight in defense. Oh man, it

512
00:28:26,119 --> 00:28:30,520
Speaker 1: was Oh man, that's my thing. You know, I grew

513
00:28:30,560 --> 00:28:34,359
Speaker 1: up a forty nine Er fan. That's my team right there. Okay,

514
00:28:34,400 --> 00:28:37,919
Speaker 1: you got Jerry Rice, right, you got Rock Craig, I

515
00:28:38,040 --> 00:28:44,920
Speaker 1: missed roll right, Yeah, yeah, uh uh, I don't think

516
00:28:45,000 --> 00:28:47,240
Speaker 1: Bret Jones was there yet. But who's the tight end?

517
00:28:47,320 --> 00:28:52,040
Speaker 1: Bret Clark, not Gred but White Clark. God, the Titan

518
00:28:52,120 --> 00:28:54,240
Speaker 1: was really good. I'm sorry, I can't remember what he's

519
00:28:55,240 --> 00:28:58,840
Speaker 1: the white man there. And Dwight might have been there, yeah,

520
00:28:58,880 --> 00:29:02,760
Speaker 1: I think so he might. Yeah, a year younger than

521
00:29:02,760 --> 00:29:04,960
Speaker 1: me or something. But now that team was and not

522
00:29:05,040 --> 00:29:08,719
Speaker 1: only win, their offense great, their defense was loaded. I

523
00:29:08,720 --> 00:29:11,360
Speaker 1: mean they were so good. So I thought, you know, you,

524
00:29:11,480 --> 00:29:16,000
Speaker 1: being a nor Cow youngster, you would appreciate that story.

525
00:29:16,280 --> 00:29:20,080
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, you know that's my squad. You know, most

526
00:29:20,080 --> 00:29:24,120
Speaker 1: of my family, you know, Raider fans. I kind of

527
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:27,320
Speaker 1: went against the grain. I guess you can call it,

528
00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:31,040
Speaker 1: but I always liked winners. Are you waiting? So I

529
00:29:31,040 --> 00:29:33,760
Speaker 1: got to ask you because once I became a Seahawk

530
00:29:33,960 --> 00:29:36,360
Speaker 1: and once I became a Sun Devil, I was no

531
00:29:36,440 --> 00:29:39,520
Speaker 1: longer a Trojan fan and I was a die hard

532
00:29:39,600 --> 00:29:42,960
Speaker 1: RAM fan and Raider fan. No longer a Ram, A

533
00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,080
Speaker 1: Raider fan for sure, the Raiders now. But because when

534
00:29:46,080 --> 00:29:48,480
Speaker 1: we that was our rival, we played them in the

535
00:29:48,560 --> 00:29:51,880
Speaker 1: AFCU championship game. We had beat them twice that year,

536
00:29:52,080 --> 00:29:54,400
Speaker 1: and they thumped us in the a SC Championship game.

537
00:29:55,080 --> 00:29:59,200
Speaker 1: That's the worst Raiders were. My team loved them, and

538
00:29:59,280 --> 00:30:08,840
Speaker 1: I don't anymore. Yeah, no, no, no, I'm not. Yeah,

539
00:30:08,880 --> 00:30:10,800
Speaker 1: and I'm sure that you for you, it was the

540
00:30:10,880 --> 00:30:14,880
Speaker 1: same like once you once you become a professional. Early

541
00:30:14,880 --> 00:30:16,560
Speaker 1: in my career, I get that question all the time.

542
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:18,959
Speaker 1: Are you still allowed to root for your team? You know?

543
00:30:20,320 --> 00:30:23,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, I don't think so. I think that's

544
00:30:24,000 --> 00:30:25,960
Speaker 1: over with now. I don't even want to root for

545
00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:29,400
Speaker 1: Kaepernick or any of those guys anyway. I mean it's

546
00:30:29,520 --> 00:30:32,440
Speaker 1: it's you know, I was a huge Frank Gore fan.

547
00:30:32,680 --> 00:30:34,680
Speaker 1: I mean I got an opportunity to play with him

548
00:30:34,680 --> 00:30:37,040
Speaker 1: in Indy T to B teammates. He was one of

549
00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,280
Speaker 1: the guys that I really admired. Uh and so to

550
00:30:41,720 --> 00:30:43,920
Speaker 1: you know too, and he's a forty nine er. I

551
00:30:43,960 --> 00:30:48,280
Speaker 1: can remember vividly where I'm sitting in the stands back

552
00:30:48,280 --> 00:30:53,360
Speaker 1: when it was Candlestick Park in San Francisco watching twenty one,

553
00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:57,800
Speaker 1: watching Frank Gore play. Is there a player that you

554
00:30:57,920 --> 00:31:04,160
Speaker 1: shared the field with that you had a similar feeling? Yes, yeah,

555
00:31:04,200 --> 00:31:08,320
Speaker 1: we my rookie year, No, what my second year? Uh,

556
00:31:08,680 --> 00:31:10,760
Speaker 1: the when I was staying nineteen eighty four. We start

557
00:31:10,800 --> 00:31:14,000
Speaker 1: off twelve and two and we but we lose Kurt

558
00:31:14,080 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: Warner first play in the game or running back. So

559
00:31:16,880 --> 00:31:19,360
Speaker 1: we're looking for a vecteran running back and they bring

560
00:31:19,360 --> 00:31:26,280
Speaker 1: in Franko Harris. Oh, I'm all, oh, this is Franko Harris,

561
00:31:26,800 --> 00:31:29,680
Speaker 1: one of the greatest guys in the world. Loves with

562
00:31:29,880 --> 00:31:32,000
Speaker 1: on a plane. He kind of started the whole Bouret

563
00:31:32,240 --> 00:31:36,160
Speaker 1: card game. You know, they're definitely some some money being

564
00:31:36,200 --> 00:31:38,400
Speaker 1: exchanged there, and he had money. You know, most of

565
00:31:38,520 --> 00:31:41,320
Speaker 1: us were like, okay, we got a little money, had

566
00:31:41,520 --> 00:31:45,000
Speaker 1: big money. Great and the money wasn't nothing like it

567
00:31:45,040 --> 00:31:48,640
Speaker 1: is nowadays, you know. And he, you know, he was

568
00:31:48,720 --> 00:31:52,680
Speaker 1: so big time. But getting someone there that was that

569
00:31:52,760 --> 00:31:55,960
Speaker 1: was huge. Um as far as playing against some people,

570
00:31:56,600 --> 00:32:00,320
Speaker 1: you know, Marcus Alan was running back in a I

571
00:32:00,320 --> 00:32:03,360
Speaker 1: was a diehard Trojan fan and now I'm going up

572
00:32:03,400 --> 00:32:07,520
Speaker 1: against him, right, and it's like, okay, you know that

573
00:32:07,800 --> 00:32:11,440
Speaker 1: that was another great guy. Just you know, some of

574
00:32:11,440 --> 00:32:13,760
Speaker 1: these guys are just really good people, right, I mean,

575
00:32:14,520 --> 00:32:16,360
Speaker 1: you know, you get to know them obviously, you know,

576
00:32:16,400 --> 00:32:18,400
Speaker 1: I mean you get to know them playing against them,

577
00:32:18,400 --> 00:32:20,640
Speaker 1: and maybe before the game or after the game, you know,

578
00:32:20,840 --> 00:32:24,560
Speaker 1: just some brief conversation. So yeah, there's a bunch of them.

579
00:32:24,920 --> 00:32:28,160
Speaker 1: Joe Montana was just getting started. I didn't realize how

580
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: great he was gonna be. I tell the story now

581
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,160
Speaker 1: of yeah, I got my butt kicked by Joe Montana,

582
00:32:33,240 --> 00:32:36,200
Speaker 1: and you know that's my one story from AYB eight.

583
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,960
Speaker 1: But Franco was the big one just because he came

584
00:32:39,000 --> 00:32:41,440
Speaker 1: to our team and he was still a superstar. But yeah, no,

585
00:32:41,520 --> 00:32:44,800
Speaker 1: I can't imagine. I mean, I listen. I obviously that

586
00:32:44,920 --> 00:32:48,520
Speaker 1: wasn't my era, but you know, watching FRANKO. Harris with

587
00:32:48,600 --> 00:32:51,800
Speaker 1: the Steelers for a long time, seeing all the highlights NFL,

588
00:32:52,120 --> 00:32:56,120
Speaker 1: like NFL when NFL Network first came out and was

589
00:32:56,160 --> 00:32:59,440
Speaker 1: like a thing like I was glued to that channel

590
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:02,320
Speaker 1: all all day, every day watching all of the NFL

591
00:33:02,400 --> 00:33:06,840
Speaker 1: film stuff and all these highlights and the famous room

592
00:33:06,840 --> 00:33:09,520
Speaker 1: with Frank W. Harris would have some off someone's face

593
00:33:09,640 --> 00:33:15,520
Speaker 1: mask and the immaculate reception man that was Raiders for

594
00:33:15,760 --> 00:33:20,640
Speaker 1: the touchdown. Say it again, I said that one killed

595
00:33:20,640 --> 00:33:23,000
Speaker 1: me when that happened. The first time I remember ever

596
00:33:23,120 --> 00:33:26,240
Speaker 1: crying watching one of my teams lose. That's a bigger

597
00:33:26,640 --> 00:33:30,360
Speaker 1: fan I was. Now, look, I'm I'm young. I mean,

598
00:33:30,400 --> 00:33:32,920
Speaker 1: I'm young young, So that's why again, Franco, by the

599
00:33:32,920 --> 00:33:35,760
Speaker 1: time he gets the Seahawks my rookie year, that was.

600
00:33:36,120 --> 00:33:38,080
Speaker 1: That was a pretty big deal. I'll tell another one

601
00:33:38,400 --> 00:33:42,040
Speaker 1: real quick. When Jerry Rice came to the Seahawks. Oh yes,

602
00:33:42,760 --> 00:33:47,840
Speaker 1: and was still doing his thing too, man, still bawling.

603
00:33:48,600 --> 00:33:53,000
Speaker 1: That was that was that would have got to interview him.

604
00:33:53,080 --> 00:33:56,320
Speaker 1: Nice guy, still a hard worker. So yeah, there were

605
00:33:56,360 --> 00:33:59,280
Speaker 1: some good moments. Yeah, that would have gotten me right there. Man,

606
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:01,840
Speaker 1: that I probably would have been. I don't get star

607
00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:05,160
Speaker 1: struck too much, but that definitely would have been. Actually

608
00:34:05,200 --> 00:34:08,400
Speaker 1: had an opportunity to meet him when I was in Cleveland.

609
00:34:08,840 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 1: He came to a practice. His son was trying out

610
00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:17,439
Speaker 1: for the team, and so he was there, and uh,

611
00:34:17,480 --> 00:34:19,759
Speaker 1: and I said, man, but actually the first time I

612
00:34:19,760 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: actually met him was back when Nike used to do

613
00:34:23,360 --> 00:34:24,560
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know this or not, but

614
00:34:24,680 --> 00:34:27,239
Speaker 1: Nike used to do a Nike camp. He used to

615
00:34:27,239 --> 00:34:31,439
Speaker 1: do a football camp at Stanford every year for high

616
00:34:31,440 --> 00:34:35,600
Speaker 1: school college recruits, juniors and seniors. A bunch of college

617
00:34:35,640 --> 00:34:38,759
Speaker 1: scouts would be there, and uh, and I got a

618
00:34:38,840 --> 00:34:41,760
Speaker 1: chance to shake hands with Jay Rice. I didn't say

619
00:34:41,880 --> 00:34:44,759
Speaker 1: much because I didn't know what to say. I was

620
00:34:44,800 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: so a star struck. But uh yeah, amazing guy. I

621
00:34:51,320 --> 00:34:53,319
Speaker 1: want to go over some I want to look at

622
00:34:53,360 --> 00:34:56,279
Speaker 1: some stats. I want to go over subsess with you.

623
00:34:56,920 --> 00:34:59,399
Speaker 1: It just bear with me here, but to bring I'm

624
00:34:59,400 --> 00:35:01,239
Speaker 1: going to bring this stuff. This is actually I didn't

625
00:35:01,640 --> 00:35:04,839
Speaker 1: This is kind of funny because here you got here,

626
00:35:04,880 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: you are right with you know your defense, you know,

627
00:35:11,360 --> 00:35:20,680
Speaker 1: nineteen eighty eighty one, eighty three right combined. I mean,

628
00:35:21,200 --> 00:35:25,719
Speaker 1: I'm looking at this and you guys had I think

629
00:35:25,719 --> 00:35:30,400
Speaker 1: I think it was in those years thirteen total touchdowns

630
00:35:31,400 --> 00:35:37,880
Speaker 1: in comparison to the Legion of Boom who only had five.

631
00:35:38,560 --> 00:35:41,560
Speaker 1: And they're spend you know, ten and eleven. I mean, obviously,

632
00:35:41,680 --> 00:35:45,440
Speaker 1: you know a couple a couple more years, a bunch

633
00:35:45,440 --> 00:35:48,719
Speaker 1: of interceptions from Scherm and Earl. But just from a

634
00:35:48,800 --> 00:35:51,600
Speaker 1: number standpoint, I'm gonna get too into too many details

635
00:35:51,600 --> 00:35:53,919
Speaker 1: as far as the numbers. I mean, Dave Round thirty

636
00:35:53,960 --> 00:35:57,720
Speaker 1: four interceptions, John Harris thirty five. You know you had eleven.

637
00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:02,560
Speaker 1: Kenny Easley the Hall of Fame at thirty two interceptions,

638
00:36:02,600 --> 00:36:07,239
Speaker 1: you know, Schurm thirty two interceptions. You know girls got

639
00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,440
Speaker 1: twenty five cam you know twelve. I mean the numbers are,

640
00:36:12,480 --> 00:36:18,000
Speaker 1: if not similar, maybe in favor of your side. There

641
00:36:18,800 --> 00:36:23,120
Speaker 1: with with with with that dB group, Uh you know,

642
00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:26,839
Speaker 1: talk about the continuity that you guys had and and

643
00:36:27,000 --> 00:36:29,000
Speaker 1: uh you know kind of some of the comparisons to

644
00:36:29,040 --> 00:36:32,680
Speaker 1: the to the New Way to the Legion of Boom perhaps. Yeah,

645
00:36:32,719 --> 00:36:36,040
Speaker 1: so what this is is um when the Legion of

646
00:36:36,080 --> 00:36:39,239
Speaker 1: Boom came out, Kenny Easily when he was going to

647
00:36:39,320 --> 00:36:42,040
Speaker 1: the Hall of Fame really was when it started a

648
00:36:42,280 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: steamroll a little bit. He said, yes, the Legion of

649
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:50,279
Speaker 1: Boom is uh is cute, but they're getting about the

650
00:36:50,360 --> 00:36:56,040
Speaker 1: original legion. And by the way, if Robinson during this

651
00:36:56,160 --> 00:37:00,480
Speaker 1: time frame, your tune finished with fifty some interceptions. So

652
00:37:00,880 --> 00:37:06,319
Speaker 1: just to give you what this defensive backgroup is the

653
00:37:06,320 --> 00:37:13,520
Speaker 1: most successful defensive backgroup and creating turnovers in NFL history.

654
00:37:13,640 --> 00:37:16,840
Speaker 1: In nineteen eighty four, we had over sixty turnovers that

655
00:37:16,880 --> 00:37:20,799
Speaker 1: we created. We had thirty six or thirty seven interceptions.

656
00:37:20,840 --> 00:37:24,800
Speaker 1: That year. We had one game we returned four interceptions

657
00:37:24,840 --> 00:37:28,840
Speaker 1: back for touchdowns. Wow, this is the smartest group of guys.

658
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:32,600
Speaker 1: I mean, it's Kenny Easily, Dave Brown, John Harrison. John

659
00:37:32,640 --> 00:37:36,120
Speaker 1: Harris went to Arizona State two. John's the smartest football player,

660
00:37:36,200 --> 00:37:40,759
Speaker 1: photographic memory, and the defenses that we ran were so complex,

661
00:37:40,800 --> 00:37:43,120
Speaker 1: and they were complex. We were doing all types of

662
00:37:43,160 --> 00:37:47,399
Speaker 1: combo coverages both in zone and man. You couldn't tell

663
00:37:47,440 --> 00:37:49,000
Speaker 1: what we are doing. But we could get away with

664
00:37:49,040 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: that turbo because we were having two and three days

665
00:37:52,120 --> 00:37:55,520
Speaker 1: during King you know you're getting all these reps. So

666
00:37:55,600 --> 00:37:59,680
Speaker 1: we created which is the modern day number for most

667
00:38:00,000 --> 00:38:02,799
Speaker 1: andovers in one year. And this is just kind of

668
00:38:02,800 --> 00:38:05,240
Speaker 1: a snapshot to say, look over a seven year time

669
00:38:05,239 --> 00:38:08,960
Speaker 1: frame this group, how many interceptions they had and they

670
00:38:09,000 --> 00:38:11,919
Speaker 1: had have thrown out honest to god, me and put

671
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:17,200
Speaker 1: Eugene Robinson in there. His numbers are crazy numbers. He

672
00:38:17,239 --> 00:38:19,279
Speaker 1: didn't get a lot of interceptions. I telled us ball

673
00:38:19,280 --> 00:38:22,600
Speaker 1: all the time until I started coaching them, and once

674
00:38:22,640 --> 00:38:25,359
Speaker 1: I coached him, what the Pro Bowl twice he had nine,

675
00:38:25,520 --> 00:38:29,160
Speaker 1: I think ten interceptions back to back years. But he

676
00:38:29,239 --> 00:38:32,320
Speaker 1: was a ball ball hawking. We talked about it, and

677
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:35,279
Speaker 1: he talked about how much film they watched. He was

678
00:38:35,440 --> 00:38:38,840
Speaker 1: mandatory and it wasn't from the coaches. It was Kenny Easily,

679
00:38:38,920 --> 00:38:42,440
Speaker 1: John Harris, Dave Brown, now you're gonna watch them, You're

680
00:38:42,480 --> 00:38:44,719
Speaker 1: gonna put the time in. We're talking about it like

681
00:38:44,719 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: we're coaches. So so yes, we are the original legion

682
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:53,399
Speaker 1: of Boom, but actually boom back then, well we didn't.

683
00:38:53,440 --> 00:38:58,000
Speaker 1: We weren't branding back then. Right, Yeah, shearons of Brandy.

684
00:39:00,800 --> 00:39:04,959
Speaker 1: But there's three guys there that had over thirty interceptions. Yeah,

685
00:39:05,520 --> 00:39:09,440
Speaker 1: second here window, Yeah, that's amazing. That's not even there.

686
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:12,440
Speaker 1: Dave Brown again on this the piece we're talking about

687
00:39:12,520 --> 00:39:15,840
Speaker 1: at seven year really eighty through eighty seven, if you

688
00:39:15,920 --> 00:39:18,359
Speaker 1: go through that that time for him, Dave Brown ended

689
00:39:18,440 --> 00:39:21,640
Speaker 1: up with over sixty interceptions in his career. He was

690
00:39:21,680 --> 00:39:25,120
Speaker 1: still going. So I think the point on that is, Man,

691
00:39:25,160 --> 00:39:27,520
Speaker 1: it was a great secondary I mean, just a lot

692
00:39:27,560 --> 00:39:30,520
Speaker 1: of playmakers, a lot of fun. So I can certainly

693
00:39:31,440 --> 00:39:35,040
Speaker 1: I appreciate the legion of boot. You know what. The

694
00:39:35,080 --> 00:39:38,520
Speaker 1: reason why I bring it up is because I didn't realize,

695
00:39:39,800 --> 00:39:42,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's such as a younger, you know player.

696
00:39:42,680 --> 00:39:44,520
Speaker 1: I mean, he talked about being old enough to be

697
00:39:44,560 --> 00:39:47,480
Speaker 1: my father and all those kinds of things, but you know,

698
00:39:47,560 --> 00:39:51,640
Speaker 1: I didn't really He's like, man, I had to study

699
00:39:51,719 --> 00:39:55,359
Speaker 1: up on my history of the Seahawks and shout out

700
00:39:55,400 --> 00:40:00,839
Speaker 1: to our producer Nasa Cho Nasa Joey or you know,

701
00:40:01,160 --> 00:40:03,600
Speaker 1: getting st stats. But I'm I'm like, I'm looking at

702
00:40:03,600 --> 00:40:08,400
Speaker 1: these numbers like wow, like these are these are amazing numbers.

703
00:40:08,400 --> 00:40:10,840
Speaker 1: And you know, the legion of Boom gets talked about

704
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:15,640
Speaker 1: so much even today. Yeah that you know, it's like, man,

705
00:40:16,160 --> 00:40:20,279
Speaker 1: we're forgetting about these other players in this group that

706
00:40:20,440 --> 00:40:23,839
Speaker 1: was really led. I mean, numbers that still haven't even

707
00:40:23,880 --> 00:40:28,319
Speaker 1: been touched. They never will. They won't be touched again, man,

708
00:40:28,320 --> 00:40:31,480
Speaker 1: because the game's changed, Turbo, And you're right, I mean,

709
00:40:31,480 --> 00:40:34,680
Speaker 1: we had one hundred and thirty one interceptions, thirteen TVs

710
00:40:34,800 --> 00:40:37,080
Speaker 1: during that that that window. And by the way, it's

711
00:40:37,120 --> 00:40:39,919
Speaker 1: more we're just trying to get a like minded They

712
00:40:39,960 --> 00:40:43,319
Speaker 1: had eighty seven to our one thirty one, right, they

713
00:40:43,320 --> 00:40:45,960
Speaker 1: had six six touchdowns or a third do we doubled

714
00:40:46,160 --> 00:40:49,920
Speaker 1: almost all of their numbers? Again, different different era. The

715
00:40:50,000 --> 00:40:51,920
Speaker 1: shame of it if we could have won a Super

716
00:40:51,960 --> 00:40:55,520
Speaker 1: Bowl but came around with the Hall thing. I hear

717
00:40:55,520 --> 00:40:57,080
Speaker 1: you on that. But here's the thing. You talk about

718
00:40:57,120 --> 00:41:00,839
Speaker 1: a different era, and that's an era in your era

719
00:41:01,080 --> 00:41:05,200
Speaker 1: where the run game was really prominent. Now we're throwing

720
00:41:05,239 --> 00:41:07,520
Speaker 1: the ball everywhere. I mean even in the Legion of

721
00:41:07,560 --> 00:41:10,040
Speaker 1: Boom era, you know, like and our team was a

722
00:41:10,120 --> 00:41:12,640
Speaker 1: run team, and you still had some teams that were.

723
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,919
Speaker 1: But still, i mean, with all the Hall of Fame

724
00:41:16,000 --> 00:41:20,160
Speaker 1: quarterbacks that even you've seen in your career, you still

725
00:41:20,239 --> 00:41:24,680
Speaker 1: weren't getting as prolific of a passing game as you

726
00:41:24,760 --> 00:41:27,720
Speaker 1: do now, and so they end up with those numbers.

727
00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:31,480
Speaker 1: It's just I mean, I words can't describe and describe it. Well,

728
00:41:31,520 --> 00:41:36,840
Speaker 1: thank you. I appreciate that now different different eras and stuff,

729
00:41:36,840 --> 00:41:38,920
Speaker 1: and the game has changed. I mean, there's no question,

730
00:41:39,640 --> 00:41:42,319
Speaker 1: but yeah, we were a ball hawking team and we

731
00:41:42,320 --> 00:41:45,960
Speaker 1: were awfully proud of it. So I said, I mean,

732
00:41:46,000 --> 00:41:48,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask this question. I know I probably already

733
00:41:48,600 --> 00:41:50,719
Speaker 1: know the answer to this, but I'm sure. I mean,

734
00:41:50,800 --> 00:41:54,960
Speaker 1: you're just you're as confident as any of your teammates

735
00:41:55,000 --> 00:41:58,560
Speaker 1: would be in that secondary that you guys could hang

736
00:41:58,600 --> 00:42:01,600
Speaker 1: in this era and play in this era without and

737
00:42:01,840 --> 00:42:04,879
Speaker 1: without I mean obviously, like it's a safer game now,

738
00:42:05,239 --> 00:42:08,839
Speaker 1: so you know, some things you would have to, you know,

739
00:42:08,920 --> 00:42:11,879
Speaker 1: get used to an adjust but I'm sure, like, man,

740
00:42:11,880 --> 00:42:14,439
Speaker 1: if you play in this era, I'm sure you feel like, man,

741
00:42:15,000 --> 00:42:19,040
Speaker 1: we dominate just as much as we did back in

742
00:42:19,120 --> 00:42:22,839
Speaker 1: the eighties. Well, I always say it's it is relative, right,

743
00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:25,920
Speaker 1: I mean, obviously we didn't have the supplements and the

744
00:42:26,000 --> 00:42:29,200
Speaker 1: training and you know, just how to take care of yourself,

745
00:42:29,280 --> 00:42:31,239
Speaker 1: you know, year round. I mean back then you took

746
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,319
Speaker 1: a month or two off and when the season was

747
00:42:33,360 --> 00:42:36,239
Speaker 1: over just to recover, and you know just I mean

748
00:42:36,320 --> 00:42:40,359
Speaker 1: today you take two days off maybe, right, it's it's

749
00:42:40,520 --> 00:42:44,160
Speaker 1: a very play two months off. Nowadays you might lose

750
00:42:44,200 --> 00:42:47,520
Speaker 1: it exactly, and you're paid well enough that you can

751
00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,319
Speaker 1: hire people. We didn't have all that. We Look, I

752
00:42:50,400 --> 00:42:52,520
Speaker 1: used to have to go get my own breakfast and lunch.

753
00:42:53,400 --> 00:42:56,240
Speaker 1: You know. Today with the Seahawks, you know, everything's organic.

754
00:42:56,320 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: You can have breakfast, lunch, dinner. You got your recovery

755
00:42:59,440 --> 00:43:03,200
Speaker 1: drinks that they're color coded for you guys, you know.

756
00:43:03,200 --> 00:43:05,600
Speaker 1: I mean they know you if you've got monitors and

757
00:43:05,760 --> 00:43:07,920
Speaker 1: how they're going to deal with it, and that's awesome.

758
00:43:08,040 --> 00:43:11,440
Speaker 1: That's the relative part, I think. You know. Look, I

759
00:43:11,480 --> 00:43:14,799
Speaker 1: think our guys, if you transported us here, yeah, we

760
00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:17,520
Speaker 1: would be quicker than we were that and we'd be

761
00:43:17,560 --> 00:43:20,960
Speaker 1: a little faster, and we'd have all those things. I mean,

762
00:43:21,040 --> 00:43:23,800
Speaker 1: I look at how fast the game is today, because

763
00:43:23,800 --> 00:43:28,080
Speaker 1: I used to do the sideline color analysts of the

764
00:43:28,080 --> 00:43:30,800
Speaker 1: sidelines for a few years before the Super Bowl in

765
00:43:30,880 --> 00:43:33,480
Speaker 1: two thousand and five, and I used to watch a

766
00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,560
Speaker 1: game like a man. Forgot. God, I forgot how fast

767
00:43:35,560 --> 00:43:38,000
Speaker 1: this game is. I can't believe I've played it. Because

768
00:43:38,000 --> 00:43:40,800
Speaker 1: as you're you get older, you know that stuff. You know,

769
00:43:40,840 --> 00:43:43,480
Speaker 1: one hundred miles an hour looks really fast. When you're younger,

770
00:43:43,480 --> 00:43:45,160
Speaker 1: you go one hundred miles an hour. I'd do that

771
00:43:45,200 --> 00:43:47,880
Speaker 1: all day. Same thing to speed of the game. I

772
00:43:48,000 --> 00:43:51,080
Speaker 1: watched it. I go, wow, it's so fat. There's the

773
00:43:51,200 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: athleticism now is so incredible. But holy crust, let me

774
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,839
Speaker 1: tell you what I mean. We were knocking each other

775
00:43:58,840 --> 00:44:02,560
Speaker 1: out in practice every day. Yeah, you come across the middle.

776
00:44:02,800 --> 00:44:06,880
Speaker 1: That was mine, Now how it's yours. I've got to

777
00:44:06,920 --> 00:44:09,560
Speaker 1: work around it to say, I mean, I can I

778
00:44:09,600 --> 00:44:11,839
Speaker 1: play in this space, yes, but you have to play

779
00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,399
Speaker 1: nice back. Then you came across the middle. Not only

780
00:44:15,400 --> 00:44:17,840
Speaker 1: that talk crap to you. I want you back to

781
00:44:17,840 --> 00:44:20,920
Speaker 1: your huddle and said come back here again. Now they

782
00:44:21,000 --> 00:44:22,879
Speaker 1: turn around and they get my face, and I want

783
00:44:22,880 --> 00:44:26,239
Speaker 1: to kick my butt. It's that part is weird to me,

784
00:44:26,960 --> 00:44:29,680
Speaker 1: but you know, it's it's a different back to look

785
00:44:29,719 --> 00:44:33,759
Speaker 1: the athleticism today, it is off the charts. It is

786
00:44:33,800 --> 00:44:37,360
Speaker 1: an entertainment. It's a big play game. Back then it

787
00:44:37,480 --> 00:44:42,000
Speaker 1: was a big hit game. Right. Well, we've only got

788
00:44:42,040 --> 00:44:45,000
Speaker 1: time for maybe a question too. I mean, there's so much, Paul,

789
00:44:45,200 --> 00:44:49,200
Speaker 1: I got to admit, there's so much more that I

790
00:44:49,239 --> 00:44:51,959
Speaker 1: want to talk to you about. Got time for maybe

791
00:44:52,000 --> 00:44:56,160
Speaker 1: a question or two. You gotta come back on Seahawks stories,

792
00:44:56,480 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: you know, because especially once this blows up the way

793
00:45:00,120 --> 00:45:03,800
Speaker 1: we wanted to and continues to grow, I mean, having

794
00:45:03,800 --> 00:45:07,200
Speaker 1: you back, I mean I can talk for hours about

795
00:45:07,200 --> 00:45:10,000
Speaker 1: the vision that we have, but I do want to

796
00:45:10,239 --> 00:45:11,880
Speaker 1: I do want to get into your coaching career a

797
00:45:11,920 --> 00:45:14,840
Speaker 1: little bit. You did it was, you know, and listen,

798
00:45:15,040 --> 00:45:18,160
Speaker 1: I don't know how it was back then, but now

799
00:45:18,360 --> 00:45:22,280
Speaker 1: there's a huge emphasis on the transition out of football,

800
00:45:22,400 --> 00:45:25,200
Speaker 1: and you know, you know a lot of guys, I mean,

801
00:45:25,239 --> 00:45:27,279
Speaker 1: even for me, you know, kind of get in this

802
00:45:27,360 --> 00:45:29,040
Speaker 1: space where it's like, man, what am I going to

803
00:45:29,160 --> 00:45:32,680
Speaker 1: do next? And and you know it sounds like for you,

804
00:45:32,680 --> 00:45:35,080
Speaker 1: you know, you had the opportunity to just go right

805
00:45:35,160 --> 00:45:40,120
Speaker 1: into coaching, which was fantastic and and correct me if

806
00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:46,040
Speaker 1: I'm wrong, But seemingly that may not have been like

807
00:45:47,000 --> 00:45:49,920
Speaker 1: your ultimate goal or dreaming because he didn't coach for

808
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,040
Speaker 1: very long. I think you coach for maybe four or

809
00:45:52,080 --> 00:45:55,200
Speaker 1: five seasons, and you know, maybe it took that opportunity

810
00:45:55,239 --> 00:45:58,600
Speaker 1: because it was there. But just talk you know about

811
00:45:58,640 --> 00:46:01,239
Speaker 1: that experience coaching, if you enjoyed it, the things you

812
00:46:01,360 --> 00:46:05,160
Speaker 1: enjoyed about it, things maybe you didn't enjoy about it,

813
00:46:05,160 --> 00:46:08,040
Speaker 1: and and and what kind of made you, uh, you know,

814
00:46:08,120 --> 00:46:12,600
Speaker 1: coach for such a short time, uh, in your career. Yeah,

815
00:46:12,880 --> 00:46:15,759
Speaker 1: you've gotten to know me, you know, turb over the

816
00:46:15,800 --> 00:46:18,400
Speaker 1: last you months or so. You know, I love football,

817
00:46:18,560 --> 00:46:21,560
Speaker 1: I love talking it. I love the ex nos of it. Um.

818
00:46:21,600 --> 00:46:23,360
Speaker 1: You know I used to go up to you know

819
00:46:23,480 --> 00:46:26,600
Speaker 1: during Tuesdays, you know, game playing time with the coaches.

820
00:46:26,680 --> 00:46:29,760
Speaker 1: So they knew, you know, I was interested in coaching,

821
00:46:29,760 --> 00:46:32,239
Speaker 1: but I didn't really express oh this is what I

822
00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:35,120
Speaker 1: want to do. They just knew I liked everything about

823
00:46:35,280 --> 00:46:38,440
Speaker 1: football and film and all that stuff. Um, it was

824
00:46:38,480 --> 00:46:40,319
Speaker 1: hard for me. It was my Uh you know, I'm

825
00:46:40,400 --> 00:46:43,040
Speaker 1: young and I'm I'm probably the youngest coach in the

826
00:46:43,160 --> 00:46:45,520
Speaker 1: NFL At the time, I was a bit of a

827
00:46:46,000 --> 00:46:47,960
Speaker 1: you know, they were moving me up, you know, talking

828
00:46:48,120 --> 00:46:52,319
Speaker 1: about coordinators spots, you know, coming up um. But then

829
00:46:52,400 --> 00:46:55,520
Speaker 1: we started to lose, uh because we had a lot

830
00:46:55,520 --> 00:46:59,000
Speaker 1: of success my first couple of years defensively, but my

831
00:46:59,120 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: last year before we all got fired and we did.

832
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,319
Speaker 1: Tom Flores was a coach at the time. It was

833
00:47:04,320 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 1: a really tough year. I just lost confidence and maybe

834
00:47:08,160 --> 00:47:10,879
Speaker 1: even a love for the game because everything was so

835
00:47:11,000 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: negative and it was just this black cloud. And I

836
00:47:14,120 --> 00:47:15,799
Speaker 1: won't go into all the things that were going on

837
00:47:15,920 --> 00:47:18,840
Speaker 1: at the time with the team, but it was it

838
00:47:18,120 --> 00:47:21,360
Speaker 1: was It was kind of a depressing time. So we

839
00:47:21,440 --> 00:47:24,680
Speaker 1: all get fired and I'm just looking, I've got two

840
00:47:24,719 --> 00:47:27,760
Speaker 1: young kids, a wife who's from here, and I'm thinking,

841
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,399
Speaker 1: am I going to take them around and move every

842
00:47:30,440 --> 00:47:32,600
Speaker 1: two or three years, because that's what's gonna take for

843
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:35,279
Speaker 1: me to get to become a head coach if that's

844
00:47:35,280 --> 00:47:38,160
Speaker 1: what the direction I want to go. And I just

845
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Speaker 1: I just thought, you know, I'm gonna take a year off.

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Speaker 1: I'm gonna try and get more in the business world

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Speaker 1: here locally. I've been around here twelve years at the time,

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Speaker 1: and that was the path. I don't know if it

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00:47:48,560 --> 00:47:51,960
Speaker 1: was the right one. I still love coach. I coached

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Speaker 1: in high school at Bellevue High School. That was a

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Speaker 1: blast for me. I still like talking to people about coaching.

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Speaker 1: But I got to go to every one of my

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00:48:00,840 --> 00:48:04,080
Speaker 1: son's football games, every one of his baseball games. I

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00:48:04,200 --> 00:48:08,160
Speaker 1: never missed any of his college football games, you know.

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Speaker 1: So for me, it was just a family versus a

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Speaker 1: lifestyle as much as I loved coaching, and it was tough,

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Speaker 1: and to this day, I don't know if that was

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Speaker 1: the right one, but it's worked out well for I mean,

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Speaker 1: business has been very good to me here. I've been

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Speaker 1: a part of the Seahawks for almost forty years, So

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Speaker 1: no complaints there. Wow, Yeah, no amazing. J I'll tell

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Speaker 1: you what, you know, it was the right choice because

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Speaker 1: I mean, look a look at all the things that

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Speaker 1: you've done, and I'm honored to be able to meet

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Speaker 1: you and be teammates with you in the broadcasting booth

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Speaker 1: and be able to learn from somebody with so much experience.

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Speaker 1: And it were only a week into the regular season,

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Speaker 1: and you know, We've got sixteen more of these things,

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Speaker 1: plus the playoffs because we are going to make the plays,

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00:48:51,600 --> 00:48:55,120
Speaker 1: no question. Yeah, the five and twelve things that we've

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Speaker 1: seen from ESPN articles and these people who probably don't

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00:48:58,239 --> 00:49:02,320
Speaker 1: even know what football is. But uh yeah, man, UH

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Speaker 1: really appreciate you coming onto the show, Paul, and and

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Speaker 1: I and I mean it, I really mean it. Man.

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Speaker 1: When when as this thing grows, I gotta have you

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Speaker 1: back on the show. There's so much more about your

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00:49:15,840 --> 00:49:18,960
Speaker 1: you know, not just football, but your life as well,

878
00:49:19,320 --> 00:49:22,520
Speaker 1: you know, and and other ball players. Here's the thing,

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Speaker 1: like with your experience, other guys who are in the

880
00:49:27,200 --> 00:49:31,799
Speaker 1: league now, who maybe have recently retired, there's so much

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Speaker 1: that they can learn from somebody like you. There's so

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Speaker 1: much that I can learn from somebody like you as

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Speaker 1: a guy who's kind of still wanting to play. But

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Speaker 1: obviously you know, that door is just slightly open, you

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00:49:44,960 --> 00:49:47,000
Speaker 1: know what I mean, And so the likelihood of it,

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00:49:47,480 --> 00:49:52,040
Speaker 1: the chances are, you know, we'll see. But as as

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Speaker 1: we transition and and and work on like getting through

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00:49:56,000 --> 00:49:59,319
Speaker 1: uh you know, like mental health stuff, you know, and

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00:49:59,360 --> 00:50:01,320
Speaker 1: stuff like that. I mean, there's so much that guys

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Speaker 1: can learn from you from more than just a football aspect.

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Speaker 1: And that's what I'm willing and hoping to dive in

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Speaker 1: next week. I love that and I'd love to do

893
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Speaker 1: that because it's fun if you and I are kind

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Speaker 1: of on the same wavelength on some things here, because

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Speaker 1: I'll never forget when I was playing, and there's some

896
00:50:21,440 --> 00:50:24,000
Speaker 1: old players would come back and some of them aren't

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00:50:24,000 --> 00:50:26,760
Speaker 1: in great shape, right, they'd let their life though or whatever.

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Speaker 1: And I always remember, I said, you know, if I

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Speaker 1: ever come back, I want to show them that there's

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Speaker 1: opportunities out there. Hey, you know you work hard, you know,

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Speaker 1: stay in shape. You know I have a good life,

902
00:50:36,920 --> 00:50:40,440
Speaker 1: be successful. There's opportunities to be successful. The NFL has

903
00:50:40,480 --> 00:50:44,080
Speaker 1: created awesome opportunities in this community with the twelves. There's

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Speaker 1: some awesome opportunities. So you I get me for examples

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Speaker 1: for them, right. I want them to know there's hope

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Speaker 1: when they leave football, and it's it is again. I've

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00:50:54,200 --> 00:50:57,760
Speaker 1: said different now probably fifty times. It is different because

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Speaker 1: when I was done playing, there was no generational wealth

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Speaker 1: and there often wasn't enough wealth to carry you for

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Speaker 1: a few years. You know, you need to get into workforce,

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00:51:06,360 --> 00:51:08,000
Speaker 1: and you've been out of it for seven years, that

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00:51:08,080 --> 00:51:11,839
Speaker 1: you're competing against guys, you're gonna have to go start

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Speaker 1: from the ground floor and learn. But I wanted them

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Speaker 1: to know that you can do that and come out

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Speaker 1: of this successful, just like your football time. So you're

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Speaker 1: you're a great role model for that. Whether you know

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Speaker 1: it or not, it's really important when you come back

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Speaker 1: to these places, they see a guy that said, oh, okay, yep,

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Speaker 1: that's what life's like after football, and it's good. It

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Speaker 1: can be good. I appreciate that. I appreciate that. Well,

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Speaker 1: until next time, Paul, enjoy the rest of your day.

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Speaker 1: Thank you to all of the twelves, any of our

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Speaker 1: fans that are listening to Seahawks Stories as our first episode.

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Speaker 1: Really appreciate everybody who's tuned in until next week. You should, boy,

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Speaker 1: Robert Turbote, You later. B