1 00:00:00,840 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: And now moved the Sticks with Daniel Jeremiah and Bucky Brooks. 2 00:00:06,920 --> 00:00:09,440 Speaker 1: What's up everybody, d J, Bucky here for Moved the 3 00:00:09,520 --> 00:00:12,520 Speaker 1: Sticks and Buckey. There are times when we've been doing 4 00:00:12,560 --> 00:00:14,159 Speaker 1: the pod over the last couple of months where I'll 5 00:00:14,200 --> 00:00:16,239 Speaker 1: be honest with you, we're we're on the phone trying 6 00:00:16,280 --> 00:00:18,880 Speaker 1: to figure out what we're gonna talk about, and sometimes 7 00:00:18,920 --> 00:00:22,079 Speaker 1: it's a little bleak, uh coming up with options. But 8 00:00:22,280 --> 00:00:24,720 Speaker 1: thankfully we've got something to talk about today. First of all, 9 00:00:24,720 --> 00:00:27,400 Speaker 1: how you doing, man, man, I'm great, I am great. Uh. 10 00:00:27,520 --> 00:00:29,600 Speaker 1: You're talking about having something to talk about. A blogbuster 11 00:00:29,680 --> 00:00:32,600 Speaker 1: trade uh that took place over the weekend, Jamal Adams 12 00:00:32,640 --> 00:00:37,519 Speaker 1: going from New York to Seattle. I mean just uh, 13 00:00:38,280 --> 00:00:42,000 Speaker 1: I mean a grocery basket full of picks going over 14 00:00:42,680 --> 00:00:45,320 Speaker 1: to the Jets and all pro player going to Seattle. 15 00:00:45,320 --> 00:00:47,640 Speaker 1: And I think for the podcast, I think just doing 16 00:00:47,640 --> 00:00:50,080 Speaker 1: a deep dive in this thing, because I think it 17 00:00:50,080 --> 00:00:52,840 Speaker 1: would reveal not only a lot about the trade game, 18 00:00:53,120 --> 00:00:57,640 Speaker 1: but about centers of influence as an evaluator, uh, position 19 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:01,680 Speaker 1: of value, what it means where you are with your franchise, 20 00:01:02,280 --> 00:01:05,440 Speaker 1: whether you're chasing the ring or whether you're rebuilding. I 21 00:01:05,480 --> 00:01:08,240 Speaker 1: think so many different issues can be touched on doing 22 00:01:08,280 --> 00:01:10,640 Speaker 1: this conversation, and I think we should just take our 23 00:01:10,680 --> 00:01:13,280 Speaker 1: time and slowly unpack it. All. Right, Well, first of all, 24 00:01:13,400 --> 00:01:15,400 Speaker 1: let's let's put the cards on the table, because I 25 00:01:15,440 --> 00:01:19,080 Speaker 1: think this is why we're uniquely positioned to discuss this trade. 26 00:01:19,560 --> 00:01:22,800 Speaker 1: The man who kinda who helped you get your start 27 00:01:22,920 --> 00:01:26,200 Speaker 1: in in your scouting career with Huba John Snyder, and 28 00:01:26,400 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 1: John Snyder helped me get my start. We're both impacted 29 00:01:29,040 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 1: and influenced by Ron Wolf. Ron Wolf I played for 30 00:01:32,000 --> 00:01:33,800 Speaker 1: the Green Bay Packs when he was dear Snyder was 31 00:01:33,840 --> 00:01:36,720 Speaker 1: an assistant. Snyder goes to Kansas City, didn't Seattle, and 32 00:01:36,800 --> 00:01:40,240 Speaker 1: hires me. So we're very influenced by the same people, 33 00:01:40,360 --> 00:01:42,440 Speaker 1: and we may see the game in a similar fashion. 34 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:46,800 Speaker 1: But you and Joe d work together in Baltimore under 35 00:01:46,800 --> 00:01:50,000 Speaker 1: Ozzie Newsome, and so you guys tend to see the 36 00:01:50,040 --> 00:01:52,960 Speaker 1: game out of the same view point in lens as well. Yeah, 37 00:01:53,000 --> 00:01:55,520 Speaker 1: I feel like this is a case where we both 38 00:01:56,000 --> 00:01:58,360 Speaker 1: uh grew up in a different school, right, You up 39 00:01:58,360 --> 00:02:00,480 Speaker 1: in a different school with different curriculum, and kind of 40 00:02:00,520 --> 00:02:03,680 Speaker 1: we learned under different guys and different philosophies. And I'll 41 00:02:03,680 --> 00:02:06,120 Speaker 1: say this, I think if you look over the last 42 00:02:06,800 --> 00:02:09,840 Speaker 1: twenty five years in the National Football League, if you 43 00:02:09,880 --> 00:02:12,280 Speaker 1: were going to say who were the most successful team 44 00:02:12,280 --> 00:02:15,600 Speaker 1: builders and the most successful philosophies, I would I think 45 00:02:15,639 --> 00:02:18,079 Speaker 1: you would find it rooted in what's taking place with 46 00:02:18,680 --> 00:02:20,880 Speaker 1: the Ron Wolf Tree at which you were a part of, 47 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:24,880 Speaker 1: which John Schneider has built the Seattle team through that lens, 48 00:02:25,200 --> 00:02:26,600 Speaker 1: and I think you look at Ozzie and what he 49 00:02:26,639 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: did with the Ravens and the way they've built it. 50 00:02:28,280 --> 00:02:31,560 Speaker 1: So that's why I think, and again I think people 51 00:02:31,560 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 1: think it's a cop out when we say this and 52 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:36,160 Speaker 1: we're gonna dig into this whole thing, but I can. 53 00:02:36,400 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: I feel like it's one of those deals where if 54 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,000 Speaker 1: you told me right now, DJ, make the case for 55 00:02:40,080 --> 00:02:42,040 Speaker 1: Seattle making this move, I can make the case for 56 00:02:42,080 --> 00:02:44,720 Speaker 1: Seattle making this move. Boom, DJ make the case why 57 00:02:44,720 --> 00:02:47,120 Speaker 1: why uh the Jets made this move. I could make 58 00:02:47,160 --> 00:02:48,840 Speaker 1: the case for the Jets. I do think it's a 59 00:02:48,840 --> 00:02:50,919 Speaker 1: win win situation, and I the first thing I want 60 00:02:50,919 --> 00:02:53,920 Speaker 1: to get to is understanding where you are in the 61 00:02:54,000 --> 00:02:57,720 Speaker 1: process in the building process. In my opinion, once you 62 00:02:57,760 --> 00:03:00,440 Speaker 1: have the foundation built and We talk about this with 63 00:03:00,480 --> 00:03:02,480 Speaker 1: the draft all the time in regards to you know, 64 00:03:02,520 --> 00:03:04,160 Speaker 1: if you take a running back in the first round, 65 00:03:04,200 --> 00:03:05,800 Speaker 1: but you're not gonna take a running back over a 66 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:08,440 Speaker 1: pass rusher or quarterback if one's there. But once you 67 00:03:08,480 --> 00:03:11,480 Speaker 1: have that foundation built, the rules change. And to me, 68 00:03:11,560 --> 00:03:13,760 Speaker 1: I look at the Jets as a team without a foundation. 69 00:03:14,080 --> 00:03:16,880 Speaker 1: The reason why they don't have a foundation is because 70 00:03:17,040 --> 00:03:20,280 Speaker 1: of the previous regime where they invested draft picks and 71 00:03:20,320 --> 00:03:23,119 Speaker 1: where they invested their money when you look at investing 72 00:03:23,120 --> 00:03:27,200 Speaker 1: money in running backs, linebackers, safeties and not investing money. 73 00:03:27,600 --> 00:03:30,720 Speaker 1: Although Tremaine Johnson was bad money, but when you're not 74 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:36,360 Speaker 1: investing in the cornerbacks, edge rushers, and tackles like those 75 00:03:36,400 --> 00:03:38,640 Speaker 1: are the highest paid players for a reason. You know, 76 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,000 Speaker 1: when you look around the league, because there's premium there. 77 00:03:41,400 --> 00:03:43,840 Speaker 1: I'm not against paying a safety. I'm not against making 78 00:03:43,840 --> 00:03:46,680 Speaker 1: a bold move for a safety. The Seahawks can afford 79 00:03:46,680 --> 00:03:49,480 Speaker 1: to do that because their foundation is already built for 80 00:03:49,520 --> 00:03:52,240 Speaker 1: the most part. Yeah, and it's interesting that you talk 81 00:03:52,280 --> 00:03:54,520 Speaker 1: about the foundation for the Jackson what what kind of 82 00:03:54,560 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: lean on that. You're absolutely right, the previous regime didn't 83 00:03:58,080 --> 00:04:00,720 Speaker 1: do Joe Douglas and Adam cas Any favors in terms 84 00:04:00,800 --> 00:04:04,040 Speaker 1: of what they currently have on their roster. Um when 85 00:04:04,040 --> 00:04:06,600 Speaker 1: you think about just just looking at their roster, DJ, 86 00:04:06,680 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: I'm looking at the depth chart and I'm trying to 87 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:10,880 Speaker 1: find the blue players. And if you and I talked 88 00:04:10,880 --> 00:04:13,640 Speaker 1: about you need to have twelve blue players, twelve blue 89 00:04:13,680 --> 00:04:18,680 Speaker 1: chip players at critical positions um to be a championship team. 90 00:04:18,720 --> 00:04:22,240 Speaker 1: You're hard pressed to find one, maybe two blue chip 91 00:04:22,279 --> 00:04:25,680 Speaker 1: players that you can say, look, university, retake these guys 92 00:04:25,720 --> 00:04:27,800 Speaker 1: and put them anywhere else. They would be top five, 93 00:04:27,839 --> 00:04:30,840 Speaker 1: top ten players across the league. And so when you're 94 00:04:30,920 --> 00:04:32,839 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas and you're looking at your roster and you 95 00:04:32,880 --> 00:04:35,040 Speaker 1: have a safety and Jamal Adams who may be your 96 00:04:35,040 --> 00:04:37,600 Speaker 1: best defensive player, but you're not close to being a 97 00:04:37,640 --> 00:04:41,120 Speaker 1: team that can feeld a contender. You make this move 98 00:04:41,160 --> 00:04:44,440 Speaker 1: because you want more lottery tickets to go into the 99 00:04:44,520 --> 00:04:47,640 Speaker 1: draft and get the more key positions that you talked about, 100 00:04:48,040 --> 00:04:53,400 Speaker 1: offensive tackle, pass rushier, cornerback, playmakers. You have to have 101 00:04:53,480 --> 00:04:57,600 Speaker 1: those things too seriously contend and compete. And when you're 102 00:04:57,600 --> 00:05:00,520 Speaker 1: the New York Jett and we all want to subscribe 103 00:05:00,560 --> 00:05:03,320 Speaker 1: to the draft and developed theory. When five of your 104 00:05:03,400 --> 00:05:07,799 Speaker 1: last tops picks, five of your last six top picks 105 00:05:08,080 --> 00:05:11,279 Speaker 1: have been traded away or cut. That is a damning 106 00:05:11,400 --> 00:05:15,400 Speaker 1: indictment on your developmental process. So as much as we 107 00:05:15,440 --> 00:05:19,080 Speaker 1: can talk about putting the emphasis on Joe Douglas and 108 00:05:19,440 --> 00:05:22,600 Speaker 1: who the Jets picked down the road, the onus is 109 00:05:22,640 --> 00:05:26,120 Speaker 1: really on the coaching staff to take those players and 110 00:05:26,160 --> 00:05:29,640 Speaker 1: to develop them to the potential that their draft status 111 00:05:29,680 --> 00:05:32,479 Speaker 1: suggest they should be when it comes to contributing for 112 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:35,400 Speaker 1: the Jets. Yeah, and I mean that's look, they've had one. 113 00:05:35,720 --> 00:05:37,800 Speaker 1: You know, this is Joe douglas first draft. You know, 114 00:05:37,880 --> 00:05:40,320 Speaker 1: Adam Gates has been there for for a year, so 115 00:05:40,680 --> 00:05:43,080 Speaker 1: they're still at the beginning stages here of this new group. 116 00:05:43,160 --> 00:05:45,600 Speaker 1: So you know, I just look at it. Let's look 117 00:05:45,600 --> 00:05:48,279 Speaker 1: at Jamal and what he brings in the value he brings. 118 00:05:48,360 --> 00:05:51,000 Speaker 1: Because I'll be honest with you, Buck, when I was uh, 119 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:53,400 Speaker 1: kind of made aware of what the compensation was going 120 00:05:53,440 --> 00:05:54,960 Speaker 1: to be, what they were gonna be able to get, 121 00:05:55,600 --> 00:05:57,720 Speaker 1: even though it's it's a team you assume is gonna 122 00:05:57,720 --> 00:05:59,360 Speaker 1: be picking in the bottom of the first round, as 123 00:05:59,360 --> 00:06:02,080 Speaker 1: they have been for most of Pete Carroll's tenure there, 124 00:06:02,680 --> 00:06:04,760 Speaker 1: I was surprised they were able to get what they're 125 00:06:04,800 --> 00:06:06,719 Speaker 1: able to get. I was surprised that it was that high. 126 00:06:06,760 --> 00:06:08,920 Speaker 1: I would have thought you were talking about a one 127 00:06:08,960 --> 00:06:11,279 Speaker 1: of three and a player was my guests, you know, 128 00:06:11,320 --> 00:06:12,919 Speaker 1: a one of three and somebody that can come in 129 00:06:12,960 --> 00:06:16,120 Speaker 1: and start. So you get two ones, a three and 130 00:06:16,240 --> 00:06:19,640 Speaker 1: a starter. Um, and obviously you send a fourth back 131 00:06:19,680 --> 00:06:25,880 Speaker 1: in two with Jamal. But I thought from a compensation standpoint, Um, 132 00:06:26,080 --> 00:06:28,800 Speaker 1: I I just put myself in that situation with where 133 00:06:28,839 --> 00:06:31,720 Speaker 1: my team is and with that compensation that's too. I 134 00:06:31,720 --> 00:06:35,080 Speaker 1: mean that that's that coffee is is rich. You know. 135 00:06:35,120 --> 00:06:38,040 Speaker 1: So I'm thinking they're going, okay, I can't pass this up. Now, 136 00:06:38,080 --> 00:06:40,360 Speaker 1: you can't pass it up. And so for Jazz fans, um, 137 00:06:40,440 --> 00:06:43,000 Speaker 1: they should look back at this trade as they look 138 00:06:43,040 --> 00:06:46,520 Speaker 1: back years ago at the Keishaan Johnson trade. Mkeishawan Johnson 139 00:06:46,520 --> 00:06:48,200 Speaker 1: was traded away to Tampa. I think he brought back 140 00:06:48,240 --> 00:06:50,200 Speaker 1: two number one. I think that was the time when 141 00:06:50,240 --> 00:06:52,839 Speaker 1: they had four first round picks in the first round 142 00:06:52,880 --> 00:06:56,080 Speaker 1: and they were able to get john A, Anthony Back, 143 00:06:56,160 --> 00:06:59,760 Speaker 1: Shawn ellis Um, Chad Pennington and look, I set them up. Now, 144 00:07:00,120 --> 00:07:01,480 Speaker 1: it didn't set them up where they were able to 145 00:07:01,520 --> 00:07:03,400 Speaker 1: make a Super Bowl run, but they were a team 146 00:07:03,440 --> 00:07:06,280 Speaker 1: that was highly competitive with those guys kind of being 147 00:07:06,320 --> 00:07:09,880 Speaker 1: the staple of their franchise. And so it makes sense 148 00:07:10,120 --> 00:07:14,080 Speaker 1: now the compensation that the Seattle Seahawks surrendered. People would 149 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,120 Speaker 1: say that's rich and that's pricey. But let me give 150 00:07:17,160 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 1: you the Seattle Seahawks last three first round. Let me see, 151 00:07:21,200 --> 00:07:23,000 Speaker 1: let me see if it ros you. Here we go 152 00:07:23,200 --> 00:07:28,760 Speaker 1: LJ car Your Rashade Penny and Jermaine Effetty. So so 153 00:07:28,880 --> 00:07:30,760 Speaker 1: if you go back further than that, you can go 154 00:07:30,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: back to Malik McDowell, who was, um, I mean, you 155 00:07:34,760 --> 00:07:37,960 Speaker 1: go down the line, it's not it's a trail of tears, right, 156 00:07:38,040 --> 00:07:40,840 Speaker 1: And so at some point you have to scout the 157 00:07:40,880 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 1: scouts and no disrespect to my guys, John signing those guys, 158 00:07:44,560 --> 00:07:48,000 Speaker 1: but they haven't delivered blue chip players where they were 159 00:07:48,000 --> 00:07:50,640 Speaker 1: picking at the bottom of the first round. And so 160 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:52,440 Speaker 1: if you're them, and if you're able to get outside 161 00:07:52,480 --> 00:07:54,720 Speaker 1: of yourself and cast your ego to the side when 162 00:07:54,760 --> 00:07:57,280 Speaker 1: it comes to picking players, sometimes you have to look 163 00:07:57,320 --> 00:07:59,800 Speaker 1: at what you've selected and then look at the proven 164 00:07:59,800 --> 00:08:02,720 Speaker 1: cupmodity that you get in Jamal and say that he 165 00:08:02,880 --> 00:08:05,680 Speaker 1: is a better player than we probably could pick, particularly 166 00:08:05,760 --> 00:08:09,000 Speaker 1: based on our history. Let's take the bird in hand 167 00:08:09,480 --> 00:08:11,880 Speaker 1: rather than the two in the bush and less build 168 00:08:11,880 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 1: a round a player that we know, even though it 169 00:08:14,480 --> 00:08:18,240 Speaker 1: is a more costly endeavor to do that from draft 170 00:08:18,320 --> 00:08:22,040 Speaker 1: capital and from compensation down the line. Yeah, and see, 171 00:08:22,080 --> 00:08:25,040 Speaker 1: I look at it from the standpoint of cheap starters. 172 00:08:25,160 --> 00:08:27,280 Speaker 1: You know, that's that's the that's the way of the future. 173 00:08:27,320 --> 00:08:29,000 Speaker 1: If you can as many cheap starters as you can get, 174 00:08:29,000 --> 00:08:30,960 Speaker 1: it allows you to spend big money in other areas 175 00:08:31,000 --> 00:08:33,040 Speaker 1: to bring in a high price free agent. Maybe you 176 00:08:33,080 --> 00:08:34,839 Speaker 1: won't get a Jamal Adams as a free agent, but 177 00:08:34,880 --> 00:08:37,120 Speaker 1: you can get an a player, a blue chip player 178 00:08:37,160 --> 00:08:39,320 Speaker 1: in free agency if you have the cash. So if 179 00:08:39,400 --> 00:08:42,640 Speaker 1: if you're confident you're drafting ability, top three round picks 180 00:08:42,640 --> 00:08:46,520 Speaker 1: should should emerge as starters. So you're looking at two 181 00:08:46,520 --> 00:08:49,760 Speaker 1: ones and a three. That's three potential starters you can 182 00:08:49,760 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 1: get on a low, low money deal, uh low first 183 00:08:52,840 --> 00:08:54,920 Speaker 1: round as well as as in the third round. So 184 00:08:55,800 --> 00:08:58,080 Speaker 1: a chance to spread those resources around, try and build 185 00:08:58,120 --> 00:09:00,400 Speaker 1: up the base of your roster. Um. I want to 186 00:09:00,400 --> 00:09:03,719 Speaker 1: get those to the value of Jamal specifically Buck so 187 00:09:04,200 --> 00:09:06,080 Speaker 1: on one thing, one thing for you. Do this because 188 00:09:06,080 --> 00:09:08,360 Speaker 1: I think you also should address the elephant in the room. 189 00:09:08,400 --> 00:09:11,480 Speaker 1: Sam Donald can is eligible for an extension at the 190 00:09:11,600 --> 00:09:14,760 Speaker 1: end of this year, and so when Sam Donald goes 191 00:09:14,800 --> 00:09:17,760 Speaker 1: from being on a rookie deal to big money, it 192 00:09:17,880 --> 00:09:21,920 Speaker 1: is even more important to have cheap starters that are 193 00:09:21,960 --> 00:09:24,079 Speaker 1: are are on those those deals or whatever. So it's 194 00:09:24,120 --> 00:09:27,560 Speaker 1: really important that we give perspective and context. He can 195 00:09:27,760 --> 00:09:29,960 Speaker 1: sign a contract at the end of this year, and 196 00:09:30,000 --> 00:09:32,360 Speaker 1: so when you're the Jets, you have to weigh the 197 00:09:32,480 --> 00:09:35,959 Speaker 1: new money that will go to Sam Donald's direction. We 198 00:09:36,000 --> 00:09:39,040 Speaker 1: have to make sure we have uh a way to 199 00:09:39,200 --> 00:09:41,400 Speaker 1: make sure that we can take care of that and 200 00:09:41,440 --> 00:09:44,120 Speaker 1: also have starters before you go to Jamal Adams value 201 00:09:44,120 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, that's true, Um, Jamal Adams value. When 202 00:09:48,080 --> 00:09:50,400 Speaker 1: we have that discussion, Buck, this is because if you 203 00:09:50,400 --> 00:09:52,640 Speaker 1: look at it on paper, well, I'll just pull you 204 00:09:52,720 --> 00:09:54,240 Speaker 1: the question. I won't muddy it up. I want to 205 00:09:54,240 --> 00:09:56,480 Speaker 1: get your thoughts on this. How much value do you 206 00:09:56,520 --> 00:10:00,560 Speaker 1: have in a pass rushing safety. See, I have value 207 00:10:00,559 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 1: and my value is cued and my value is skewed 208 00:10:03,600 --> 00:10:06,200 Speaker 1: because when I go back to a player the team 209 00:10:06,200 --> 00:10:07,800 Speaker 1: that I was on that eventually went to play a 210 00:10:07,800 --> 00:10:11,320 Speaker 1: Super Bowl. The safety that we had Larroy Butler. Larroy 211 00:10:11,400 --> 00:10:14,640 Speaker 1: Butler was the first hybrid safety international Football League. Fitz 212 00:10:14,679 --> 00:10:17,840 Speaker 1: Shermer dropped him in the box and he blitz to 213 00:10:17,920 --> 00:10:21,040 Speaker 1: the tune of having six sacks, he had five interceptions. 214 00:10:21,240 --> 00:10:24,920 Speaker 1: He was a key part of what we did defensively. 215 00:10:25,000 --> 00:10:28,240 Speaker 1: So I value the safety position, particularly in the box, 216 00:10:28,440 --> 00:10:31,640 Speaker 1: a little differently than than some and then most. And 217 00:10:31,640 --> 00:10:35,400 Speaker 1: I also think because John Snyder was pro personnel assistant 218 00:10:35,640 --> 00:10:38,400 Speaker 1: during that time, he may see value in that position 219 00:10:38,440 --> 00:10:41,520 Speaker 1: a little differently, particularly when you had Pete Carroll's defense 220 00:10:41,679 --> 00:10:45,439 Speaker 1: that had Cam Chancellor that played a vital role. Generally, 221 00:10:45,880 --> 00:10:48,679 Speaker 1: the safety isn't value like that. But I still kind 222 00:10:48,679 --> 00:10:51,040 Speaker 1: of have an old school mentality that you build all 223 00:10:51,120 --> 00:10:55,360 Speaker 1: championship teams basketball, baseball, football, you have to be strong 224 00:10:55,400 --> 00:10:57,680 Speaker 1: down the middle, and so the safety is the core 225 00:10:57,720 --> 00:10:59,920 Speaker 1: piece when it comes to being down the middle, how 226 00:11:00,000 --> 00:11:01,480 Speaker 1: do you address the fact that he he doesn't take the 227 00:11:01,480 --> 00:11:06,520 Speaker 1: ball away? So like, so I think it's important. Like 228 00:11:06,600 --> 00:11:08,200 Speaker 1: it's kind of like going to the ice cream shop. 229 00:11:08,240 --> 00:11:11,040 Speaker 1: When you look at safety's there are two different types there. 230 00:11:11,040 --> 00:11:14,040 Speaker 1: Your ball hawks and then they're you're in the box 231 00:11:14,040 --> 00:11:16,640 Speaker 1: playmakers the ball Hawks would be the guy that you're 232 00:11:16,720 --> 00:11:19,839 Speaker 1: very familiar with having been in Baltimore. In ed Read, 233 00:11:20,320 --> 00:11:22,640 Speaker 1: Ed Reid is the star on the top of the 234 00:11:22,720 --> 00:11:25,800 Speaker 1: Christmas tree. He plays deep middle. He is the guy 235 00:11:25,840 --> 00:11:28,280 Speaker 1: that rolls from numbers to numbers and makes a ton 236 00:11:28,320 --> 00:11:31,480 Speaker 1: of plays. Jamal Adams would be like the guy who 237 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:34,520 Speaker 1: was the opposite of Ed Reid during Ed Read's era, 238 00:11:34,600 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 1: and that's Hall of Famer Troy Polamalo. Now I'm not 239 00:11:37,640 --> 00:11:39,960 Speaker 1: calling Jamal Adams a Hall of Famer yet, but I 240 00:11:39,960 --> 00:11:43,640 Speaker 1: think there are some things Troy Polamalu did his damage 241 00:11:44,000 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 1: in and around the box. He was a guy that 242 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:50,440 Speaker 1: would make plays, create fumbles, sacked the quarterback, and do 243 00:11:50,640 --> 00:11:54,000 Speaker 1: things to that end. I think the scheme asked for 244 00:11:54,120 --> 00:11:56,640 Speaker 1: different job descriptions, which is why we can't lump them 245 00:11:56,640 --> 00:11:59,600 Speaker 1: all together. Yeah, and I would. I would just challenge 246 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,560 Speaker 1: and push back on that. And you gave me heads 247 00:12:01,640 --> 00:12:03,640 Speaker 1: up on the Troy Paul Mala thing, So I looked 248 00:12:03,679 --> 00:12:06,480 Speaker 1: up Troy's numbers. Troy picked off five balls his second 249 00:12:06,520 --> 00:12:08,360 Speaker 1: year in the league. Jamal has got two picks in 250 00:12:08,440 --> 00:12:10,600 Speaker 1: three years. Troy Palmala had years where he picked off 251 00:12:10,640 --> 00:12:12,160 Speaker 1: seven balls a couple of years where he picked off 252 00:12:12,200 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 1: seven balls. I just don't have any track record and 253 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:16,360 Speaker 1: history of him getting his hands on the football in 254 00:12:16,360 --> 00:12:18,200 Speaker 1: that regard whether you're playing in the post or whether 255 00:12:18,200 --> 00:12:20,560 Speaker 1: you're playing down low. To me, I just look in 256 00:12:20,600 --> 00:12:22,600 Speaker 1: the draft every year, and I can find a lot 257 00:12:22,640 --> 00:12:24,199 Speaker 1: more guys that can play closer to the line of 258 00:12:24,200 --> 00:12:25,920 Speaker 1: scrimmage than I can find guys that can play in 259 00:12:25,960 --> 00:12:27,839 Speaker 1: the post. To me, guys that can play in the 260 00:12:27,880 --> 00:12:30,120 Speaker 1: post are more rare, and that, to me is why 261 00:12:30,160 --> 00:12:32,959 Speaker 1: those guys are gonna get more money for for my money. 262 00:12:33,080 --> 00:12:36,600 Speaker 1: Jamal is a He is a disruptor down there. Eddie 263 00:12:36,679 --> 00:12:38,880 Speaker 1: Jackson plays in the post and gives me the football back, 264 00:12:39,320 --> 00:12:41,080 Speaker 1: And to me, I'd rather have a guy that gives 265 00:12:41,080 --> 00:12:43,000 Speaker 1: me the football back. I can find somebody I can 266 00:12:43,040 --> 00:12:44,600 Speaker 1: scheme up and get on a running back. When I 267 00:12:44,600 --> 00:12:47,000 Speaker 1: went and watched all his sacks, you know he's a 268 00:12:47,000 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: couple of them are clean, but the majority of him 269 00:12:49,400 --> 00:12:52,680 Speaker 1: are him just beating running backs. I like my opportunity 270 00:12:52,720 --> 00:12:54,440 Speaker 1: to try and find somebody I can scheme up with 271 00:12:54,480 --> 00:12:56,120 Speaker 1: my defense to get him one on one with the 272 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,560 Speaker 1: running back. I like my chances of trying to find 273 00:12:58,600 --> 00:13:01,240 Speaker 1: somebody to fill that role, versus find somebody that can 274 00:13:01,320 --> 00:13:02,720 Speaker 1: range over the top of the field and make a 275 00:13:02,720 --> 00:13:05,840 Speaker 1: bunch of plays on the ball. See. And because we've 276 00:13:05,840 --> 00:13:07,880 Speaker 1: been around each other so much, I knew that you 277 00:13:07,880 --> 00:13:11,559 Speaker 1: would come and receipts in facts, and so because of that, 278 00:13:12,160 --> 00:13:14,240 Speaker 1: I made sure that I took my time last night 279 00:13:14,280 --> 00:13:16,960 Speaker 1: and came back with numbers. And so Troy and Palla 280 00:13:17,000 --> 00:13:19,000 Speaker 1: Maller threw. His first years in the league, he had 281 00:13:19,000 --> 00:13:23,760 Speaker 1: two hundred and thirty seven tackles, seven interceptions, three force fumbles, 282 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,400 Speaker 1: two formal recoveries, and six sacks. Jamal Adams do that 283 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:31,640 Speaker 1: same time span to seventy three tackles, twelve sacks, six 284 00:13:31,679 --> 00:13:35,959 Speaker 1: force fumbles, four former recoveries, and two interceptions. So when 285 00:13:36,040 --> 00:13:41,280 Speaker 1: we look at the takeaway standpoint, they're pretty close. That's oh, 286 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:44,920 Speaker 1: that's twelve turnovers. Twelve turnovers, and so it's just a 287 00:13:45,000 --> 00:13:47,360 Speaker 1: matter of how you you like your turnovers. To me, 288 00:13:47,520 --> 00:13:50,600 Speaker 1: it doesn't matter. I think the value is his ability 289 00:13:50,640 --> 00:13:54,120 Speaker 1: to be dynamic in the box, particularly in a defense 290 00:13:54,440 --> 00:13:57,959 Speaker 1: that requires a dynamic box defender. Last year, the Seattle 291 00:13:57,960 --> 00:14:01,880 Speaker 1: Seahawks cannot play nickel defense because they didn't have the 292 00:14:01,960 --> 00:14:04,480 Speaker 1: personnel to be able to do it. You see it 293 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:07,520 Speaker 1: each and every week with Derwin James, Derwin James ability 294 00:14:07,559 --> 00:14:12,240 Speaker 1: to be a chameleon safety, linebacker, whatever you need. Seattle 295 00:14:12,360 --> 00:14:15,719 Speaker 1: needed that part of it. So with Bobby Wagner in 296 00:14:15,920 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: aging kJ Wright, you need Jamal Adams to almost be 297 00:14:19,960 --> 00:14:23,520 Speaker 1: a hybrid linebacker when they go nickel package. His value 298 00:14:23,600 --> 00:14:27,080 Speaker 1: and is being the Swiss Army Knights around the line 299 00:14:27,080 --> 00:14:30,760 Speaker 1: of scrimmage. They needed a more explosive defender near the 300 00:14:30,760 --> 00:14:34,440 Speaker 1: line of scrimmage instead of the Earl Thomas type that 301 00:14:34,600 --> 00:14:37,280 Speaker 1: is playing in the back end. As you said, that 302 00:14:37,320 --> 00:14:40,160 Speaker 1: person you need, you need someone that can take it away. 303 00:14:40,200 --> 00:14:43,240 Speaker 1: That's not Jamal. That's not what he does. What he 304 00:14:43,280 --> 00:14:45,320 Speaker 1: does is near the line of scrimmage. Which is why 305 00:14:45,360 --> 00:14:47,480 Speaker 1: it really works with the Seattle Cyhawks in my opinion. 306 00:14:47,840 --> 00:14:50,640 Speaker 1: And I've heard this argument. You brought up great points 307 00:14:50,640 --> 00:14:52,920 Speaker 1: there on the numbers. I've heard this argument well and 308 00:14:52,920 --> 00:14:57,880 Speaker 1: Greg Williams defense, you have to have a premier safety. 309 00:14:57,880 --> 00:15:00,720 Speaker 1: He's always had. His safeties have always posted and good numbers. 310 00:15:01,160 --> 00:15:03,840 Speaker 1: And I'm sitting here going, Okay, there's two ways of 311 00:15:03,880 --> 00:15:06,840 Speaker 1: looking at that. He's always had great safety or his 312 00:15:06,880 --> 00:15:08,840 Speaker 1: all his safeties have always posted good numbers. Might go 313 00:15:08,880 --> 00:15:11,360 Speaker 1: back to blame Bishop, go back with Greg Williams when 314 00:15:11,400 --> 00:15:15,000 Speaker 1: he was in Tennessee. He's going to scheme up matchups 315 00:15:15,040 --> 00:15:17,400 Speaker 1: that are going to be favorable as guys down the box, 316 00:15:17,440 --> 00:15:20,520 Speaker 1: as rushers. It's gonna happen now instead of maybe getting 317 00:15:20,600 --> 00:15:24,240 Speaker 1: six sacks, maybe maybe McDougald gets, you know, three sacks, 318 00:15:24,280 --> 00:15:27,560 Speaker 1: four sacks um. But he's he plays the ball as 319 00:15:27,600 --> 00:15:30,200 Speaker 1: good or better than Jamal and I'm adding all these 320 00:15:30,200 --> 00:15:33,360 Speaker 1: other resources. I just I think that whole discussion of 321 00:15:33,560 --> 00:15:35,280 Speaker 1: you know, how do we how do we move forward? 322 00:15:35,680 --> 00:15:37,800 Speaker 1: I don't it's a drop off at the position for 323 00:15:37,840 --> 00:15:40,240 Speaker 1: the Jets, But to me, it's not significant enough to 324 00:15:40,480 --> 00:15:42,920 Speaker 1: pass on all the other assets you're gonna accumulate here 325 00:15:42,960 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 1: to try and build up your roster. I thought this 326 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,880 Speaker 1: whole trade situation was like what do they call those 327 00:15:47,920 --> 00:15:49,520 Speaker 1: things the little paddles they put on you when you're 328 00:15:49,520 --> 00:15:53,080 Speaker 1: about to when they're trying to revive you, uh oh gosh, 329 00:15:53,200 --> 00:15:55,000 Speaker 1: like the donna resuscitate you. So they put the little 330 00:15:55,000 --> 00:15:59,160 Speaker 1: paddles on that shot. That's what this was for the Jets. 331 00:15:59,160 --> 00:16:01,600 Speaker 1: To me, this was this is a franchise that need 332 00:16:01,640 --> 00:16:04,120 Speaker 1: to be resuscitated, and I think this trade is exactly 333 00:16:04,120 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 1: what they needed to be able to get that done. Look, man, there, 334 00:16:07,000 --> 00:16:10,480 Speaker 1: there's there's no question that that Gregg Williams can do 335 00:16:10,520 --> 00:16:13,160 Speaker 1: a good job of scheming it up. And there's no 336 00:16:13,240 --> 00:16:16,200 Speaker 1: doubt that Brad and MacDougal played very, very well for 337 00:16:16,320 --> 00:16:18,560 Speaker 1: the Seattle Shoaks. He's also a guy that has bounced around. 338 00:16:18,600 --> 00:16:21,640 Speaker 1: He's a longtime veteran. He has ten career interception and 339 00:16:21,640 --> 00:16:24,040 Speaker 1: I think he can play solid and I think if 340 00:16:24,080 --> 00:16:25,920 Speaker 1: that is what you want in the position at the 341 00:16:25,960 --> 00:16:28,520 Speaker 1: time for a stop cap, I certainly think he can 342 00:16:28,560 --> 00:16:30,880 Speaker 1: be that. He's not an All Pro caliber player, he 343 00:16:31,000 --> 00:16:33,120 Speaker 1: is someone that can do it and I don't necessarily 344 00:16:33,160 --> 00:16:37,200 Speaker 1: expect them to use him in that role. Um that 345 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: Jamal Adams is vacating, I think they can put Marcus 346 00:16:41,520 --> 00:16:43,120 Speaker 1: May down there. I think Marcus May, if you go 347 00:16:43,160 --> 00:16:44,920 Speaker 1: all the way back to his fami at Florida, Marcus 348 00:16:44,920 --> 00:16:48,000 Speaker 1: May did some things in the box. Also, I think 349 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,360 Speaker 1: it's important to know that they have Aston Davis coming 350 00:16:50,400 --> 00:16:53,400 Speaker 1: in from cal so they have a variety of guys 351 00:16:53,640 --> 00:16:55,200 Speaker 1: that they can put in the mix. And I think 352 00:16:55,240 --> 00:16:57,760 Speaker 1: what they'll do doing training camp. I think they will 353 00:16:57,800 --> 00:17:00,800 Speaker 1: experiment with a handful of packages this see who are 354 00:17:00,840 --> 00:17:03,640 Speaker 1: the best guys that can occupy certain roles, what are 355 00:17:03,640 --> 00:17:06,280 Speaker 1: the skill sets that they have, And the Jets defense 356 00:17:06,520 --> 00:17:08,760 Speaker 1: may very well look different than to look with Jamal 357 00:17:08,840 --> 00:17:11,560 Speaker 1: Adams and Greg Williens would have to make disadjustment on 358 00:17:11,600 --> 00:17:13,800 Speaker 1: the fly. But look, he's done it before. He made 359 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:16,920 Speaker 1: Darren Sharper, who I played with in Green Bay, who 360 00:17:16,960 --> 00:17:19,760 Speaker 1: wasn't a boxing guy. He made Darren Sharper a very 361 00:17:19,920 --> 00:17:22,920 Speaker 1: vital part of that defense as a guy that could 362 00:17:22,960 --> 00:17:25,800 Speaker 1: rock and roll and drop down and so give credit 363 00:17:25,800 --> 00:17:28,840 Speaker 1: what credit is due. Greg Williams is a masterful schemer 364 00:17:28,880 --> 00:17:31,040 Speaker 1: and tactician. He'll find a way to get it done. 365 00:17:31,560 --> 00:17:33,560 Speaker 1: So to me on the Seattle side of the things, 366 00:17:33,600 --> 00:17:38,120 Speaker 1: the the whole key to this is were they close enough. 367 00:17:38,160 --> 00:17:40,640 Speaker 1: I guess you're with your track background, Bucky, I'd love 368 00:17:40,640 --> 00:17:43,359 Speaker 1: to get your thoughts on us. You're you're saying you're 369 00:17:43,440 --> 00:17:47,119 Speaker 1: running the the eight hundred hundred whatever a little bit 370 00:17:47,160 --> 00:17:49,480 Speaker 1: more of a little bit more distance. You have to 371 00:17:49,600 --> 00:17:52,000 Speaker 1: know when to when to kick. You do not want 372 00:17:52,000 --> 00:17:54,160 Speaker 1: to kick too early and poop out you know. So 373 00:17:54,320 --> 00:17:56,800 Speaker 1: my question is are the Seahawks close enough to the 374 00:17:56,840 --> 00:17:59,320 Speaker 1: finish line? Because this was a kick, I mean, this 375 00:17:59,400 --> 00:18:01,520 Speaker 1: was their kick. This trade was putting a lot of 376 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:04,320 Speaker 1: resources to try and get you to the finish line. Now, 377 00:18:04,320 --> 00:18:07,000 Speaker 1: when we look at the recent trades, the Rams came 378 00:18:07,080 --> 00:18:10,359 Speaker 1: up just short, right, and then they doubled down really 379 00:18:10,520 --> 00:18:13,800 Speaker 1: and uh with with Jalen Ramsey. Now it's like, gosh, 380 00:18:13,800 --> 00:18:16,119 Speaker 1: I don't know, maybe they I don't know, do they 381 00:18:16,280 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: want to do over on that? I don't know. This 382 00:18:17,920 --> 00:18:19,199 Speaker 1: is a lot of money and a lot of resources 383 00:18:19,240 --> 00:18:20,560 Speaker 1: in the team that now I think we would agree 384 00:18:20,560 --> 00:18:21,960 Speaker 1: you look at them right now, I don't think they're 385 00:18:22,040 --> 00:18:24,399 Speaker 1: super Bowl caliber team right now with the Rams, with 386 00:18:24,440 --> 00:18:26,399 Speaker 1: the other holes that they have on the roster. The 387 00:18:26,440 --> 00:18:29,480 Speaker 1: Bears had a nice run initially right that first year 388 00:18:29,560 --> 00:18:31,879 Speaker 1: with Khalil mack Um, got in the post season, had 389 00:18:31,880 --> 00:18:33,760 Speaker 1: a great year, and then they got bounced in the postseason. 390 00:18:34,000 --> 00:18:36,800 Speaker 1: But then now you start feeling the effect of missing 391 00:18:36,920 --> 00:18:39,960 Speaker 1: some of those cheap resources that you had via draft 392 00:18:40,040 --> 00:18:41,800 Speaker 1: via the draft to be able to fill on the 393 00:18:41,800 --> 00:18:44,320 Speaker 1: rest of your roster. So are the Bears, you know, 394 00:18:44,480 --> 00:18:46,520 Speaker 1: was that the right window for them to make that, 395 00:18:46,640 --> 00:18:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, bold move. And then we saw Houston with 396 00:18:49,440 --> 00:18:51,800 Speaker 1: tunsl making the trade with two ones. They to me, 397 00:18:51,840 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: that was almost a little different because I felt like 398 00:18:53,800 --> 00:18:56,840 Speaker 1: they had to do something to help their quarterback survive. 399 00:18:56,920 --> 00:19:00,159 Speaker 1: He was just getting pummeled. Um. But they've had success us, 400 00:19:00,160 --> 00:19:01,520 Speaker 1: but they haven't been able to get to the to 401 00:19:01,600 --> 00:19:03,719 Speaker 1: the Super Bowl. So to me, it's a timing thing. 402 00:19:03,760 --> 00:19:05,920 Speaker 1: So that's my question. Do you think Seattle this was 403 00:19:05,960 --> 00:19:08,000 Speaker 1: the right time to make the kick? I think so 404 00:19:08,080 --> 00:19:11,720 Speaker 1: because I think if you're Seattle's vantage point, you're enter 405 00:19:11,840 --> 00:19:14,560 Speaker 1: way from sup planning to San Francisco. For the Niners 406 00:19:14,600 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 1: as the NFC West champions, that changes, uh the narrative 407 00:19:18,320 --> 00:19:20,480 Speaker 1: when it comes to home field in the playoffs. Their 408 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:24,080 Speaker 1: home field advantage in most instances is significant UM, and 409 00:19:24,160 --> 00:19:25,920 Speaker 1: so I think that's why you do it. I think 410 00:19:25,920 --> 00:19:28,960 Speaker 1: also when you're Pete Carroll and you're evaluating your baby, 411 00:19:29,000 --> 00:19:32,520 Speaker 1: which is the defense, the defense didn't play well. They 412 00:19:32,560 --> 00:19:34,719 Speaker 1: haven't been able to rush the passer, they haven't been 413 00:19:34,760 --> 00:19:37,439 Speaker 1: able to kind of impose their will on opponents the 414 00:19:37,480 --> 00:19:40,080 Speaker 1: way that they would like to do. Also, the quarterbacks 415 00:19:40,119 --> 00:19:42,720 Speaker 1: that are in this division, you talk about Kyla Murray 416 00:19:42,760 --> 00:19:46,960 Speaker 1: coming a dynamic dual threat, quarterback Jimmy Garlaperloe's ability to 417 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:50,000 Speaker 1: not only hand the ball off to a variety of 418 00:19:50,080 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 1: running backs that you have to account for, but George 419 00:19:52,920 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: Kittle roaming over the middle of the field. Cam chance 420 00:19:56,359 --> 00:19:59,280 Speaker 1: they used to prevent people from going over the middle 421 00:19:59,280 --> 00:20:01,160 Speaker 1: of the field they needed then enforces. So they're hoping 422 00:20:01,200 --> 00:20:04,560 Speaker 1: that Jamal Adams can play that role. And so when 423 00:20:04,560 --> 00:20:06,760 Speaker 1: I when I look at the Seattle Seahawks, I think 424 00:20:06,760 --> 00:20:09,239 Speaker 1: they're gonna be what they've always been. This is a 425 00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,680 Speaker 1: team that they're gonna try and run the football early 426 00:20:11,720 --> 00:20:13,880 Speaker 1: in the game, They're gonna try and lean on their defense, 427 00:20:14,119 --> 00:20:17,760 Speaker 1: and if all else fails, they're gonna say, let Russ cook. 428 00:20:18,160 --> 00:20:21,119 Speaker 1: And so that's just how they play has been successful 429 00:20:21,119 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: for pete Um and I think that's that's what they're 430 00:20:23,720 --> 00:20:26,120 Speaker 1: going to do. And so you know, that Super Bowl 431 00:20:26,160 --> 00:20:29,800 Speaker 1: window is weird, however, because of the simplicity of their 432 00:20:29,840 --> 00:20:34,000 Speaker 1: defense and the weird way that this pandemic has created 433 00:20:34,040 --> 00:20:36,879 Speaker 1: the off season, I think they're saying, you know what, 434 00:20:37,359 --> 00:20:40,600 Speaker 1: much like your padres feel, Hey, we got a chance, 435 00:20:40,640 --> 00:20:42,560 Speaker 1: we can do it. That's what they're doing. Because I 436 00:20:42,600 --> 00:20:45,560 Speaker 1: know you were celebrating this weekend winning the series. So 437 00:20:45,560 --> 00:20:49,000 Speaker 1: so it's the same deal we live on yesterday. But 438 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,719 Speaker 1: I felt better watching the Dodgers of course split with 439 00:20:51,760 --> 00:20:54,160 Speaker 1: the with the Giants last night. So hopefully we still 440 00:20:54,280 --> 00:20:56,160 Speaker 1: hopefully by the time this podcast comes out, they're still 441 00:20:56,200 --> 00:21:00,680 Speaker 1: playing baseball. By the way, good night. Uh anyway, Uh. 442 00:21:00,720 --> 00:21:02,679 Speaker 1: The other thing I think you you touched on it 443 00:21:02,760 --> 00:21:06,560 Speaker 1: being able to um the Seahawks with Schneider, being able 444 00:21:06,600 --> 00:21:08,560 Speaker 1: to hit on guys outside the first round. And they 445 00:21:08,560 --> 00:21:11,120 Speaker 1: have a long history. Obviously everybody knows about Richard Sherman, 446 00:21:11,160 --> 00:21:14,640 Speaker 1: and you look at Bobby Wagner, obviously, Russell Wilson, uh, 447 00:21:14,720 --> 00:21:17,080 Speaker 1: DK Metcalf, all these guys outside the first round, locket. 448 00:21:17,119 --> 00:21:19,120 Speaker 1: All the best players have found outside the first round 449 00:21:19,160 --> 00:21:21,760 Speaker 1: for the most part. So um, they're gonna need to 450 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: continue to do that. They're gonna have a little more 451 00:21:23,800 --> 00:21:25,439 Speaker 1: pressure on them. You know, we talked about the pressure 452 00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:27,920 Speaker 1: of the Jets hitting on their early picks. Now there's 453 00:21:27,920 --> 00:21:30,920 Speaker 1: more pressure on the Seahawks to hit their later picks. Um, 454 00:21:31,000 --> 00:21:33,000 Speaker 1: and we look at the Jets to me, I I 455 00:21:33,240 --> 00:21:34,760 Speaker 1: tweet this out the other day. When you think about 456 00:21:34,920 --> 00:21:37,720 Speaker 1: Joe Douglas spending the majority of his career in Baltimore, 457 00:21:38,240 --> 00:21:40,239 Speaker 1: where they're always picking in the twenties, and we had 458 00:21:40,280 --> 00:21:42,639 Speaker 1: a lot of success finding really good players picking in 459 00:21:42,680 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 1: the twenties. If it was Ray Lewis, ed Rey Todd, Heap, Um, 460 00:21:46,440 --> 00:21:48,800 Speaker 1: Jimmy Smith. I mean even since Joe's left. I mean, 461 00:21:48,800 --> 00:21:50,440 Speaker 1: the reigning m v P for Crying Out Loud was 462 00:21:50,480 --> 00:21:53,080 Speaker 1: the thirty second pick by the by the Baltimore Ravens. 463 00:21:53,080 --> 00:21:55,920 Speaker 1: So there's confidence there, and I think that I think 464 00:21:55,960 --> 00:21:58,520 Speaker 1: this trade speaks to the confidence the Seahawks have and 465 00:21:58,600 --> 00:22:01,159 Speaker 1: finding players outside the strownder. I think it speaks to 466 00:22:01,160 --> 00:22:03,440 Speaker 1: the confidence of the Jets knowing, Hey, we're gonna get 467 00:22:03,440 --> 00:22:05,960 Speaker 1: really good players in the twenties. Uh. Not to me. 468 00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:07,600 Speaker 1: That was the only thing that bothered me. I guess 469 00:22:07,640 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: for the some of the reaction, Buck and you you 470 00:22:10,119 --> 00:22:13,080 Speaker 1: you've said this in in in a more intelligent way 471 00:22:13,080 --> 00:22:14,480 Speaker 1: than some of the stuff that I saw on Twitter. 472 00:22:14,720 --> 00:22:17,320 Speaker 1: But there was the thought of your I mean, you're 473 00:22:17,320 --> 00:22:19,520 Speaker 1: never gonna find good players in the in the twenties, 474 00:22:19,640 --> 00:22:21,840 Speaker 1: and it's like, no, no, it's not a guarantee. It's 475 00:22:21,880 --> 00:22:24,080 Speaker 1: for sure, it's not a guarantee. It's easier to find 476 00:22:24,080 --> 00:22:26,040 Speaker 1: great players in the top ten. I agree with that, 477 00:22:26,400 --> 00:22:29,399 Speaker 1: but people act like picking twenty six is Siberia, that 478 00:22:29,400 --> 00:22:31,560 Speaker 1: you've got no shot of finding good players. You've got 479 00:22:31,560 --> 00:22:33,679 Speaker 1: a good personnel department, you can find really good players 480 00:22:33,680 --> 00:22:35,919 Speaker 1: in the twenties. Yeah. I think what this is. I 481 00:22:35,960 --> 00:22:39,399 Speaker 1: think this is the confidence of both UH decision makers. 482 00:22:39,760 --> 00:22:42,640 Speaker 1: What they have in their own ability is Joe Douglas 483 00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:46,040 Speaker 1: his ability um his confidence in Look, I believe that 484 00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,520 Speaker 1: we can find players in twenties because he was with 485 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:51,000 Speaker 1: an organization and with personnel people that were able to 486 00:22:51,000 --> 00:22:54,879 Speaker 1: find people in the twenties. John Snyder's boldness when it 487 00:22:54,920 --> 00:22:57,280 Speaker 1: comes to making trades and making moves is because he 488 00:22:57,320 --> 00:23:00,080 Speaker 1: was with a general manager who made bold moves and 489 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,520 Speaker 1: those moves paid off. And I think, look, we are 490 00:23:02,600 --> 00:23:05,240 Speaker 1: all like it's funny because we're having this conversation. Because 491 00:23:05,480 --> 00:23:07,000 Speaker 1: I thought about it when we were going back and forth. 492 00:23:07,040 --> 00:23:09,000 Speaker 1: I was like, man, you know why we may see 493 00:23:09,040 --> 00:23:11,480 Speaker 1: this from different lizards is because we grew up in 494 00:23:11,560 --> 00:23:15,000 Speaker 1: different systems. And as you talked about schools and curriculums, 495 00:23:15,240 --> 00:23:18,399 Speaker 1: we have different curriculums that we that we we learned 496 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:20,680 Speaker 1: on it and so that's why we can feel strongly 497 00:23:20,720 --> 00:23:24,080 Speaker 1: about both sides of it. But I think it's it's 498 00:23:24,200 --> 00:23:27,040 Speaker 1: very possible that this could be a win win situation. 499 00:23:27,040 --> 00:23:30,120 Speaker 1: And I know people like the Great Trades immediately after 500 00:23:30,200 --> 00:23:33,840 Speaker 1: and say there's a winner and a loser. Maybe maybe 501 00:23:33,880 --> 00:23:37,000 Speaker 1: there are two winners. Because if the Seattle Seahawks win 502 00:23:37,440 --> 00:23:39,920 Speaker 1: quickly within the next two to three years, is well 503 00:23:39,960 --> 00:23:43,520 Speaker 1: worth it. If Joe Douglas finds the foundational pieces that 504 00:23:43,680 --> 00:23:47,080 Speaker 1: get the Jets to being a high level competitive team 505 00:23:47,320 --> 00:23:50,240 Speaker 1: year after year, then that's a win. And so it's 506 00:23:50,320 --> 00:23:53,720 Speaker 1: very well possible. I think what also may have helped 507 00:23:53,800 --> 00:23:56,840 Speaker 1: push it over the top for the Seattle Seahawks is 508 00:23:56,880 --> 00:23:59,479 Speaker 1: looking at the Super Bowl champions to Kansas City Chiefs, 509 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:02,280 Speaker 1: looking at the impact that Timer and Matthew made for 510 00:24:02,320 --> 00:24:04,560 Speaker 1: their defense. That was a defense that had a tough 511 00:24:04,560 --> 00:24:07,480 Speaker 1: time stopping people. Timeran Matthew kind of steady to ship, 512 00:24:07,800 --> 00:24:12,320 Speaker 1: his leadership ability, his versatility, his presence on the second level, 513 00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:14,840 Speaker 1: and so when you're trying to go for it all, 514 00:24:15,200 --> 00:24:17,760 Speaker 1: sometimes you swing and looking you can't be afraid to miss. 515 00:24:17,760 --> 00:24:21,400 Speaker 1: And I think for both guys, that's what this is. Man. 516 00:24:21,520 --> 00:24:23,640 Speaker 1: You gotta step to the plate. Sometimes you gotta take 517 00:24:23,680 --> 00:24:25,640 Speaker 1: big cuts if you want to win games. And so 518 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,240 Speaker 1: the CLCS took a big cut, just like Joe D 519 00:24:28,320 --> 00:24:30,119 Speaker 1: took a big cut by saying, I'm gonna take all 520 00:24:30,160 --> 00:24:31,400 Speaker 1: these picks and I'm gonna find a way to get 521 00:24:31,400 --> 00:24:34,000 Speaker 1: it right. And and here's the thing. I think Joe 522 00:24:34,040 --> 00:24:36,159 Speaker 1: D and have talked to him a bunch about this. 523 00:24:36,520 --> 00:24:39,800 Speaker 1: The the interesting thing is the Jets are not always 524 00:24:39,840 --> 00:24:42,879 Speaker 1: going to be in cell mode. There's going to be 525 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,639 Speaker 1: a time where they're gonna make a trade, Like on 526 00:24:45,680 --> 00:24:48,040 Speaker 1: the Seattle side of this trade. There's gonna be a 527 00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:50,040 Speaker 1: time once they've you know, hopefully hit on some of 528 00:24:50,040 --> 00:24:52,760 Speaker 1: these picks and built the foundation that all of a sudden, 529 00:24:52,800 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: you know, a Khalil Mack type player comes available, you 530 00:24:55,600 --> 00:24:58,440 Speaker 1: know what, that they'll make that bold move once they 531 00:24:58,440 --> 00:25:00,520 Speaker 1: feel like it's time for them to kick, you know, 532 00:25:00,600 --> 00:25:02,800 Speaker 1: once it's time for them to kick to finish the race, 533 00:25:02,840 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 1: they can see the tape and it's time to really sprint. Um, 534 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:07,800 Speaker 1: they're not there right now. And I think that's that's 535 00:25:07,840 --> 00:25:09,600 Speaker 1: what's the great part about this trade. It's kind of 536 00:25:09,640 --> 00:25:12,120 Speaker 1: what we're finishing where we began, and that you look 537 00:25:12,119 --> 00:25:15,560 Speaker 1: at where Seattle is, makes sense, be bold. Pete Carroll 538 00:25:15,640 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 1: sixty nine years old, I believe I think the oldest 539 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,439 Speaker 1: head coach in National Football League, Russ is right in 540 00:25:20,520 --> 00:25:22,720 Speaker 1: his prime. I'd say Russ. You know, Russ can play 541 00:25:22,760 --> 00:25:24,480 Speaker 1: into his forties, but I would say in terms of 542 00:25:24,520 --> 00:25:26,919 Speaker 1: like peak peak prime years, with the way that he plays, 543 00:25:26,960 --> 00:25:29,520 Speaker 1: probably another four years, four or five years of of 544 00:25:29,640 --> 00:25:32,880 Speaker 1: just you know, m v P level Russell Wilson. So 545 00:25:33,080 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 1: you get Pete, who's who's sixty eight right now, he'll 546 00:25:34,840 --> 00:25:37,800 Speaker 1: be sixty nine and in September, But with where they are, 547 00:25:38,240 --> 00:25:40,240 Speaker 1: with the head coach, with the quarterback in the in 548 00:25:40,359 --> 00:25:43,560 Speaker 1: the roster, go for it. I like it. I like 549 00:25:43,640 --> 00:25:45,720 Speaker 1: being bold and being aggressive. And I just think for 550 00:25:45,760 --> 00:25:48,240 Speaker 1: the Jets fans out there, they feel like you're always 551 00:25:48,240 --> 00:25:52,359 Speaker 1: on the giving side of these trades. Eventually, you know, 552 00:25:52,520 --> 00:25:54,560 Speaker 1: Lord willing, cross your fingers, You're gonna get to the 553 00:25:54,560 --> 00:25:56,800 Speaker 1: point where you have a team in the place where 554 00:25:56,840 --> 00:25:58,520 Speaker 1: Seattle is and then at that point in time, I 555 00:25:58,520 --> 00:26:00,880 Speaker 1: think you'll see a bold move going the other way. Yeah. 556 00:26:00,880 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 1: And that's the thing, man, you talk about trust in 557 00:26:02,560 --> 00:26:04,359 Speaker 1: the process. You have to trust the process when it 558 00:26:04,400 --> 00:26:07,600 Speaker 1: comes to that because it is a slower climb when 559 00:26:07,640 --> 00:26:09,080 Speaker 1: you're trying to do it the right way, which is 560 00:26:09,080 --> 00:26:11,320 Speaker 1: what I think Joe d is trying to do by drafting, 561 00:26:11,359 --> 00:26:14,480 Speaker 1: developing the players, resigning the established players that are good 562 00:26:14,480 --> 00:26:16,760 Speaker 1: for you, and finding a way to win with that core. 563 00:26:16,840 --> 00:26:19,480 Speaker 1: And I think for Seattle you brought up being in 564 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:21,680 Speaker 1: their prime. The one thing that was missing when you 565 00:26:21,720 --> 00:26:25,880 Speaker 1: looked at their defense, it's and it's only one blue 566 00:26:25,920 --> 00:26:28,360 Speaker 1: chip player on their defense, and that's Bobby Wagener. Who 567 00:26:28,359 --> 00:26:30,280 Speaker 1: are the other Blues? Well, I think I think, I 568 00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,320 Speaker 1: think the corner. I think Griffin's is a good player. Yeah, 569 00:26:33,320 --> 00:26:35,479 Speaker 1: I think he's an emergent player. I don't know if 570 00:26:35,480 --> 00:26:37,000 Speaker 1: he's a star yet though, I don't don't know if 571 00:26:37,000 --> 00:26:39,000 Speaker 1: we can call him a star. But they he's right on, 572 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:40,840 Speaker 1: he's right on the verge back. I think he's right 573 00:26:40,840 --> 00:26:42,680 Speaker 1: on the blue on on the virgin of being a blue. 574 00:26:42,680 --> 00:26:45,199 Speaker 1: Like he's right, he's he's really good. Yeah. So they 575 00:26:45,720 --> 00:26:47,240 Speaker 1: have to have those things. If you go back and 576 00:26:47,240 --> 00:26:49,760 Speaker 1: look at their recipe for success, what they had, Uh, 577 00:26:49,800 --> 00:26:52,800 Speaker 1: the legion of Boom the LB was outstanding. Uh, it 578 00:26:52,880 --> 00:26:55,840 Speaker 1: was Earl, it was Camp, it was Shan Bobby Magna 579 00:26:55,920 --> 00:26:58,280 Speaker 1: played at a high level. Michael Bennett gave them pass 580 00:26:58,320 --> 00:27:00,880 Speaker 1: drush ability. They have to read too, reset and get 581 00:27:00,920 --> 00:27:04,280 Speaker 1: some of those things. Now the pressure also falls to them. 582 00:27:04,560 --> 00:27:06,399 Speaker 1: It was a call you has to play because he 583 00:27:06,480 --> 00:27:08,920 Speaker 1: invested top picks. Some of the guys that they drafted. 584 00:27:09,160 --> 00:27:11,880 Speaker 1: Hi have to play. Jordan Brooks has to come in 585 00:27:12,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: and be an immediate kickstarter. He has to play. And 586 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:17,520 Speaker 1: so we'll see if all those things can happen. There's 587 00:27:17,600 --> 00:27:20,320 Speaker 1: risk involved in all of it, but I think they're 588 00:27:20,359 --> 00:27:22,960 Speaker 1: seeing we needed to start to try and get a 589 00:27:23,000 --> 00:27:25,080 Speaker 1: little closer to what the San Francisco forty nine has 590 00:27:25,080 --> 00:27:27,960 Speaker 1: have been able to do. Yeah, and I an interesting thing. 591 00:27:28,200 --> 00:27:30,760 Speaker 1: We've talked about this before as well at the NFC West. 592 00:27:30,840 --> 00:27:32,560 Speaker 1: I mean, how fun is that gonna be? I mean 593 00:27:32,720 --> 00:27:35,240 Speaker 1: it is the best division in football. Got better now 594 00:27:35,240 --> 00:27:38,280 Speaker 1: when you had Jamal Adams into the mix there, But man, 595 00:27:38,320 --> 00:27:41,240 Speaker 1: it's gonna be. That might be a division where we 596 00:27:41,320 --> 00:27:43,879 Speaker 1: have a tenant sixth winner because they're gonna beat up 597 00:27:43,880 --> 00:27:46,480 Speaker 1: on each other. Absolutely, because I think all the teams 598 00:27:46,480 --> 00:27:49,320 Speaker 1: are good. I think Arizona is kind of the wild 599 00:27:49,359 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: card because we're expecting that offense to be good. But man, 600 00:27:53,520 --> 00:27:55,840 Speaker 1: the Rams can bounce back. And I like what I'm 601 00:27:55,880 --> 00:27:58,320 Speaker 1: hearing from Sean McVeigh talking about he he's going to 602 00:27:58,359 --> 00:28:00,639 Speaker 1: get back to the running back back community unto football 603 00:28:00,640 --> 00:28:03,280 Speaker 1: a Lula my balance, that was really the secret sauce 604 00:28:03,320 --> 00:28:05,840 Speaker 1: for the Rams winning a couple of years ago. They 605 00:28:05,840 --> 00:28:07,240 Speaker 1: have to get back to that to forty nine as 606 00:28:07,280 --> 00:28:09,159 Speaker 1: we expect to be good after they shake off the 607 00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,520 Speaker 1: Super Bowl hangover. And now with the Seahawks, I mean, 608 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:14,320 Speaker 1: this is a tough division. It's going to be one. 609 00:28:14,359 --> 00:28:17,560 Speaker 1: I think eleven will get you to the title, but 610 00:28:17,720 --> 00:28:21,080 Speaker 1: very well, we could see a Tim tim Win team winning. Yeah. 611 00:28:21,880 --> 00:28:23,480 Speaker 1: I think it's gonna be fun to watch. And then 612 00:28:24,000 --> 00:28:26,840 Speaker 1: to me, it's the challenge to who can rebuild the 613 00:28:26,880 --> 00:28:30,840 Speaker 1: fastest in the in the a FC East. The Dolphins 614 00:28:30,960 --> 00:28:33,640 Speaker 1: with their trade of Tonsil collected those assets. Now they've 615 00:28:33,640 --> 00:28:35,840 Speaker 1: got their quarterback into a Toungo by Loa. They've got 616 00:28:35,960 --> 00:28:38,480 Speaker 1: they hope his replacement in Austin Jackson at left tackle. 617 00:28:38,920 --> 00:28:40,840 Speaker 1: So they've got some you know, they've had some picks. 618 00:28:40,840 --> 00:28:43,120 Speaker 1: They still have some more coming up next year, but 619 00:28:43,280 --> 00:28:45,320 Speaker 1: they are trying to rebuild that entire roster. And I 620 00:28:45,320 --> 00:28:47,200 Speaker 1: think they got the right coach there and Brian Flores, 621 00:28:47,240 --> 00:28:48,960 Speaker 1: who I think is a total stud are buddy Chris 622 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,560 Speaker 1: Career is really good. So they're kind of on that rebuild. 623 00:28:52,680 --> 00:28:56,000 Speaker 1: Buffalo is more established with where they are right now. Um, 624 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:57,960 Speaker 1: New England is kind of a wait and see. We 625 00:28:58,000 --> 00:29:00,320 Speaker 1: don't know what that's gonna look like now with with 626 00:29:00,400 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 1: Stidham and Cam Newton and how that whole thing works out. 627 00:29:02,520 --> 00:29:05,000 Speaker 1: The defense is still very good. Um, but to me, 628 00:29:05,240 --> 00:29:07,760 Speaker 1: I think the competition really you have kind of New 629 00:29:07,760 --> 00:29:10,160 Speaker 1: England and Buffalo to me, kind of fighting it out 630 00:29:10,200 --> 00:29:12,400 Speaker 1: for the division, and then you have the race to 631 00:29:12,440 --> 00:29:15,040 Speaker 1: see who can use their assets to rebuild the fastest 632 00:29:15,680 --> 00:29:17,640 Speaker 1: when you look at the Dolphins and the Jets. So 633 00:29:17,840 --> 00:29:20,440 Speaker 1: that's a It's a fascinating division that could set itself 634 00:29:20,520 --> 00:29:22,720 Speaker 1: up because of all the resources that we see there 635 00:29:22,760 --> 00:29:25,880 Speaker 1: now and with the emergence of young quarterbacks and again 636 00:29:25,920 --> 00:29:27,960 Speaker 1: New England is that what we'll see what happens there. 637 00:29:28,120 --> 00:29:30,480 Speaker 1: But you've got Josh Allen's young, Sam Donald's young, who 638 00:29:30,520 --> 00:29:33,760 Speaker 1: was young. Um, that has a chance if we fast forward, 639 00:29:34,320 --> 00:29:36,440 Speaker 1: it could kind of they could be where the NFC 640 00:29:36,520 --> 00:29:38,920 Speaker 1: West was, you know, and then the NFC West was 641 00:29:38,960 --> 00:29:40,600 Speaker 1: kind of a dormat that all of a sudden they emerged. 642 00:29:40,960 --> 00:29:42,920 Speaker 1: That could be kind of a sleeper there in the 643 00:29:43,000 --> 00:29:44,880 Speaker 1: in the a f C East. Yeah, very well, it 644 00:29:44,920 --> 00:29:46,960 Speaker 1: could be because you talked about the resources in the 645 00:29:47,000 --> 00:29:49,520 Speaker 1: rebuilding that has to take place in Miami and in 646 00:29:49,560 --> 00:29:52,280 Speaker 1: New York perspectively. I think this is another thing with 647 00:29:52,320 --> 00:29:54,480 Speaker 1: the Patriots. The Patriots benefit from the fact there's so 648 00:29:54,520 --> 00:29:57,000 Speaker 1: many teams are in rebuild mold in the division, and 649 00:29:57,040 --> 00:30:01,080 Speaker 1: even though they are, there's something about being a team 650 00:30:01,080 --> 00:30:05,040 Speaker 1: that has kind of lorded over that division and so 651 00:30:05,360 --> 00:30:07,360 Speaker 1: to think that they know how to win, and because 652 00:30:07,400 --> 00:30:10,640 Speaker 1: everyone has annointed Buffalo, you know, DJ, there's a different 653 00:30:11,200 --> 00:30:14,200 Speaker 1: level of pressure when you're kind of the hunted, when 654 00:30:14,280 --> 00:30:17,400 Speaker 1: everyone is kind of using you as the litmus test 655 00:30:17,440 --> 00:30:19,640 Speaker 1: to see are we good enough to compete? And the 656 00:30:19,680 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: Buffalo Bills have to get used to having that pressure, 657 00:30:23,040 --> 00:30:24,800 Speaker 1: where the New England Patriots kind of fall in the 658 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 1: underdog mode, which is a position that is unfamiliar to them, 659 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:30,480 Speaker 1: even though they know how to win the division because 660 00:30:30,520 --> 00:30:33,440 Speaker 1: they win each and every year. Yeah, to me, I 661 00:30:33,480 --> 00:30:36,360 Speaker 1: think that's uh, I'm not sleeping on the Patriots, man, 662 00:30:36,400 --> 00:30:37,840 Speaker 1: Like if you told me we had to pick today, 663 00:30:37,880 --> 00:30:40,600 Speaker 1: I'd pick them to win the division. I'm I'm I'm 664 00:30:40,640 --> 00:30:44,720 Speaker 1: picking them because they will not beat themselves. He doesn't. 665 00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:48,520 Speaker 1: Bill Belichick does a great job of taking the product 666 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:51,000 Speaker 1: and putting the product in the best position to win 667 00:30:51,120 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: each and every week. And you have to beat them. 668 00:30:53,480 --> 00:30:55,400 Speaker 1: And I think that is the challenge for most teams. 669 00:30:55,680 --> 00:30:59,280 Speaker 1: You will under the pressure of having to play not flawless, 670 00:30:59,600 --> 00:31:02,120 Speaker 1: but the flawless to beat them. That makes it very, 671 00:31:02,200 --> 00:31:04,320 Speaker 1: very tough to It makes him a very difficult team 672 00:31:04,360 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: to beat, no doubt. Um, well this was fun, man. 673 00:31:07,400 --> 00:31:08,920 Speaker 1: I feel like we kind of took a half hour 674 00:31:09,000 --> 00:31:11,320 Speaker 1: here and just kind of attacked that trade from from 675 00:31:11,360 --> 00:31:13,560 Speaker 1: every angle possible. Is there any anything else you want 676 00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:15,560 Speaker 1: to add before we wrap up today, Buck, No, I 677 00:31:15,560 --> 00:31:17,120 Speaker 1: think that was good. I think that's the best way 678 00:31:17,120 --> 00:31:18,920 Speaker 1: to do it is slowly unpacked. Sometimes. You know, you 679 00:31:18,960 --> 00:31:20,880 Speaker 1: can't eat you food too fast. You got time and 680 00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:23,680 Speaker 1: let it digest. Yeah. And you know the funny thing is, 681 00:31:23,720 --> 00:31:27,240 Speaker 1: I think if you talk to John Schneider, as you 682 00:31:27,400 --> 00:31:29,400 Speaker 1: do all the time, and you asked John Schneider if 683 00:31:29,440 --> 00:31:31,560 Speaker 1: he was with the Jets, would he have made that trade? 684 00:31:31,600 --> 00:31:33,440 Speaker 1: He would say yes. So if you asked, if you 685 00:31:33,480 --> 00:31:35,720 Speaker 1: asked Joe Douglas, if if he was with the Seahawks, 686 00:31:35,720 --> 00:31:37,520 Speaker 1: would he have made that trade, probably would have said 687 00:31:37,520 --> 00:31:39,200 Speaker 1: the same thing. So that to me is when you 688 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:41,200 Speaker 1: have a fun football trade. No, I think it was 689 00:31:41,200 --> 00:31:44,120 Speaker 1: a great football trade. I think it was definitely beneficial 690 00:31:44,160 --> 00:31:46,760 Speaker 1: for both teams and it'll be fun to see what 691 00:31:46,920 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: both teams do with their new assets. Alright, no doubt. 692 00:31:49,920 --> 00:31:53,120 Speaker 1: Well that was fun. Man. Appreciate you guys checking us 693 00:31:53,120 --> 00:31:55,280 Speaker 1: out listening to us. I do want to encourage everybody 694 00:31:55,280 --> 00:31:56,920 Speaker 1: if you've made it through this far the podcast and 695 00:31:56,960 --> 00:31:59,440 Speaker 1: hopefully you enjoy it, do us a solid We we 696 00:31:59,440 --> 00:32:01,360 Speaker 1: were trying to get some more rankings and reviews on 697 00:32:01,400 --> 00:32:05,920 Speaker 1: Apple iTunes or I always say iTunes, Apple podcasts. Um So, again, 698 00:32:05,960 --> 00:32:07,440 Speaker 1: you can leave if you leave us a review on there, 699 00:32:07,480 --> 00:32:10,000 Speaker 1: we greatly appreciate it. Drop some questions on there. We 700 00:32:10,040 --> 00:32:12,160 Speaker 1: do our best try and answer those periodically as well. 701 00:32:12,640 --> 00:32:14,560 Speaker 1: Um So, we appreciate if you did that for us. 702 00:32:14,640 --> 00:32:16,880 Speaker 1: But that's gonna do it for us today. Just thank 703 00:32:16,920 --> 00:32:19,280 Speaker 1: you guys so much for being with us, and hopefully 704 00:32:20,000 --> 00:32:22,360 Speaker 1: we have football soon. That's the hope. We'll see you 705 00:32:22,440 --> 00:32:23,840 Speaker 1: next time. Right here on move the sticks