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Get started now sign up. 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:37,320 Speaker 1: Please use the promo code Colin so they know we 11 00:00:37,400 --> 00:00:40,839 Speaker 1: sent you. Please use the promo code Collins c O 12 00:00:41,000 --> 00:00:51,839 Speaker 1: l I N FanDuel Sports Book App sign up. This 13 00:00:52,040 --> 00:00:55,280 Speaker 1: is prime cuts. Best to the Colin Coward Podcast. Great Week, 14 00:00:55,440 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: The Draft is a rap three and out. Host John 15 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,920 Speaker 1: Middlecoff reacts to the Niners hanging on to Ebo Samuel 16 00:01:00,960 --> 00:01:04,399 Speaker 1: and Malik Willis dropping to the third round Cole's GM 17 00:01:04,480 --> 00:01:08,920 Speaker 1: Chris Ballard had to navigate Carson Wentz's departure and Mattie 18 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:13,880 Speaker 1: Ice entering. He does Cowboy insider Matt Moseley Dallas's draft 19 00:01:14,040 --> 00:01:17,440 Speaker 1: was weird? Is Jerry weird? First, my top takes of 20 00:01:17,440 --> 00:01:24,399 Speaker 1: the week in terms of the NFL draft. Listen, my 21 00:01:24,560 --> 00:01:27,559 Speaker 1: feeling has always been after the weekend, I don't really 22 00:01:27,600 --> 00:01:31,000 Speaker 1: break down which teams had the best draft. I thought 23 00:01:31,000 --> 00:01:34,160 Speaker 1: the Jets first four picks will all be starters. That's 24 00:01:34,160 --> 00:01:36,760 Speaker 1: a really good draft. And I thought the Jets drafted 25 00:01:36,840 --> 00:01:39,680 Speaker 1: really smartly last year, getting a receiver and a running 26 00:01:39,720 --> 00:01:42,959 Speaker 1: back that both play. So I think Joe Douglas, the 27 00:01:43,040 --> 00:01:46,920 Speaker 1: Jets GM is really good and he's got the franchise 28 00:01:47,560 --> 00:01:51,160 Speaker 1: on stable ground, at least in the executive suite. But 29 00:01:51,240 --> 00:01:53,600 Speaker 1: what I do is take your free agent signings of 30 00:01:53,680 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 1: note and combine it with your top two or three picks. 31 00:01:57,160 --> 00:01:59,520 Speaker 1: And when I do that, there is no question the 32 00:01:59,600 --> 00:02:04,040 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos are the most improved football team from the 33 00:02:04,080 --> 00:02:09,280 Speaker 1: Super Bowl until you're watching this podcast, not just Russell Wilson. 34 00:02:09,520 --> 00:02:13,040 Speaker 1: So Drew Locke to Russell Wilson feels like an upgrade. 35 00:02:14,080 --> 00:02:18,000 Speaker 1: They then add Randy Gregory from the Cowboys, a very 36 00:02:18,000 --> 00:02:22,839 Speaker 1: good pass rusher, and DJ Jones, a wildly underrated run 37 00:02:22,960 --> 00:02:28,040 Speaker 1: stopper defensive line from San Francisco. They then draft Nick 38 00:02:28,120 --> 00:02:34,400 Speaker 1: Bonito and edge rusher from Oklahoma wildly athletic. I'm not done. 39 00:02:35,320 --> 00:02:38,280 Speaker 1: They then take out Vic Fangio, a seventy year old 40 00:02:38,320 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 1: defensive coach, and replace him with Nathan Hackett, a young, 41 00:02:43,160 --> 00:02:48,560 Speaker 1: progressive offensive coach. So they've switched the coach to the 42 00:02:48,680 --> 00:02:51,200 Speaker 1: right side of the ball. They bring in a Hall 43 00:02:51,280 --> 00:02:55,080 Speaker 1: of Fame level quarterback to replace Drew Locke. They already 44 00:02:55,080 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: had their receivers and targets in place. They massively upgrade 45 00:02:59,320 --> 00:03:03,320 Speaker 1: their pass and defensive line. So now I've got the 46 00:03:03,520 --> 00:03:07,800 Speaker 1: three things, make it four that are the key to 47 00:03:07,840 --> 00:03:14,440 Speaker 1: the rams success. Offensive coach, star quarterback, plenty of weapons, 48 00:03:14,840 --> 00:03:18,120 Speaker 1: and a great pass rush. Oh, by the way, Rams 49 00:03:18,160 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: have Jalen Ramsey at corner. And the Broncos Patrick Surtan 50 00:03:22,600 --> 00:03:24,320 Speaker 1: may have been one of the top two or three 51 00:03:24,360 --> 00:03:27,040 Speaker 1: draft picks last year from Bama. He's a great corner 52 00:03:27,080 --> 00:03:31,120 Speaker 1: for Denver. They are to me and the top three 53 00:03:31,120 --> 00:03:34,840 Speaker 1: teams that should be Super Bowl favorites. You look at 54 00:03:34,840 --> 00:03:37,320 Speaker 1: what one for the Rams, you look at what one 55 00:03:37,400 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 1: for the Buccaneers the year before, and you look at 56 00:03:40,880 --> 00:03:45,560 Speaker 1: what Denver has. The star quarterback, lots of weapons, really 57 00:03:45,600 --> 00:03:50,440 Speaker 1: good pass rush, and an offensive minded coach from arians McVey, 58 00:03:51,000 --> 00:03:55,280 Speaker 1: Nathaniel Hackett, from Brady to Stafford to Russell Wilson. So 59 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:59,440 Speaker 1: that's what comprises to me the Monday after the draft, 60 00:04:00,720 --> 00:04:05,120 Speaker 1: your free agent signings, a coach upgrade or two, and 61 00:04:05,200 --> 00:04:07,600 Speaker 1: your top two or three draft picks. I thought that 62 00:04:07,680 --> 00:04:12,000 Speaker 1: Denver Broncos hit it absolutely out of the park over 63 00:04:12,000 --> 00:04:16,719 Speaker 1: the last couple of months. So Ryan Tannehill was asked 64 00:04:16,760 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: about new Titans quarterback third round draft pick Malik Willis 65 00:04:21,200 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 1: and he gave one of my favorite answers. He said, 66 00:04:24,520 --> 00:04:29,760 Speaker 1: it's not my job to develop him. I'll be a 67 00:04:29,760 --> 00:04:34,360 Speaker 1: good teammate If he learns things from me, that's great. 68 00:04:36,080 --> 00:04:41,520 Speaker 1: Can I defend Ryan Tannehill here? Teams don't want players 69 00:04:42,800 --> 00:04:49,400 Speaker 1: getting into their personnel department, so teams shouldn't ask players 70 00:04:50,440 --> 00:04:53,919 Speaker 1: to develop said player. I mean, if teams are like, 71 00:04:53,960 --> 00:04:56,920 Speaker 1: stay away from our personnel choices, okay, then you stay 72 00:04:56,920 --> 00:05:02,120 Speaker 1: away from me developing my replacement. That's not Ryan Tannehill's job. 73 00:05:02,800 --> 00:05:06,960 Speaker 1: If you're an employee, companies are constantly looking for a 74 00:05:07,080 --> 00:05:11,840 Speaker 1: cheaper version of you in every field. I don't care 75 00:05:11,880 --> 00:05:14,919 Speaker 1: if it's movies or landscaping. If somebody can put in 76 00:05:14,960 --> 00:05:17,599 Speaker 1: the hours, get paid less and do as good or 77 00:05:17,640 --> 00:05:20,480 Speaker 1: better a job, you'll be replaced because most of us 78 00:05:20,520 --> 00:05:23,839 Speaker 1: don't have contracts. I do, most people don't. So Ryan 79 00:05:23,920 --> 00:05:28,920 Speaker 1: Tannehill say, hey, I'm not going to find my air apparent. 80 00:05:29,120 --> 00:05:31,200 Speaker 1: I'm not going to develop my air apparent. If he 81 00:05:31,240 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 1: wants to watch me and he wants to glean something 82 00:05:35,000 --> 00:05:36,960 Speaker 1: from me, that's awesome. I'm not going to bark at 83 00:05:37,040 --> 00:05:39,280 Speaker 1: him in the quarterback room, but I'm not going to 84 00:05:39,360 --> 00:05:44,440 Speaker 1: share snaps with him. I will defend any pro athlete 85 00:05:44,720 --> 00:05:48,920 Speaker 1: who gives that answer. You draft and develop all stay 86 00:05:48,920 --> 00:05:51,839 Speaker 1: out of it. But I am going to try to 87 00:05:51,880 --> 00:05:55,279 Speaker 1: win my job and cut the throat of anybody who's 88 00:05:55,279 --> 00:05:58,479 Speaker 1: out for my gig. There's thirty two starting quarterbacks in 89 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:02,279 Speaker 1: the NFL. Average salary right now is about twenty five 90 00:06:02,440 --> 00:06:06,920 Speaker 1: million dollars. Yeah, I'm not going to find my replacement. Sorry. 91 00:06:07,560 --> 00:06:11,640 Speaker 1: Before I get to middlecoff one college football thought, there 92 00:06:11,720 --> 00:06:16,000 Speaker 1: is a wide receiver for the Pitt Panthers, Jordan Addison, 93 00:06:16,360 --> 00:06:18,520 Speaker 1: who won the bullet Nikoff Award as the nation's best 94 00:06:18,520 --> 00:06:22,960 Speaker 1: wide receiver, and he is or has entered the transfer portal. 95 00:06:23,000 --> 00:06:26,520 Speaker 1: But there is some concern by everybody that's not a 96 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:30,200 Speaker 1: USC fan that there was tampering, tampering before he got 97 00:06:30,240 --> 00:06:32,359 Speaker 1: into the portal, And it does appear he'll go to 98 00:06:32,440 --> 00:06:35,159 Speaker 1: Texas or usc coin flip. He could also go back 99 00:06:35,200 --> 00:06:38,160 Speaker 1: to Pittsburgh, but he was spotted at McCarron Airport in 100 00:06:38,240 --> 00:06:43,120 Speaker 1: Las Vegas. My guess he'll be a trojan. First of all, tampering. 101 00:06:44,360 --> 00:06:48,520 Speaker 1: Does everybody get that? Talented people can talk? How did 102 00:06:48,640 --> 00:06:51,560 Speaker 1: Mel Tucker end up at Michigan State? He was under 103 00:06:51,600 --> 00:06:55,919 Speaker 1: contract at Colorado? How did Nick Saban end up at Alabama? 104 00:06:55,960 --> 00:06:59,240 Speaker 1: He was under contract with the Dolphins. You do realize 105 00:06:59,240 --> 00:07:02,160 Speaker 1: that the best as the best coordinators and the best 106 00:07:02,200 --> 00:07:08,560 Speaker 1: coaches are under contract, including Lincoln Riley. When they are 107 00:07:08,720 --> 00:07:12,400 Speaker 1: talking to other people. You can squawk about ethics, but 108 00:07:12,480 --> 00:07:16,680 Speaker 1: you're really really naive. Fox talk to me. When I 109 00:07:16,720 --> 00:07:21,320 Speaker 1: was at ESPN A year before I left, and as 110 00:07:21,360 --> 00:07:24,440 Speaker 1: I was under contract at Fox, ESPN has come back 111 00:07:24,480 --> 00:07:27,600 Speaker 1: to me and asked my interest in returning. It's zero. 112 00:07:27,800 --> 00:07:32,320 Speaker 1: I appreciate it. I'm flattered. People talk. NBA players talk 113 00:07:32,480 --> 00:07:35,000 Speaker 1: all the time before the trading deadline. You can't stop it. 114 00:07:35,080 --> 00:07:40,160 Speaker 1: Nobody's tracking cell phones, this idea, Well, who is contacting? 115 00:07:40,920 --> 00:07:46,800 Speaker 1: There's coaches, there's friends, there's former players. Listen, Jordan Addison 116 00:07:46,800 --> 00:07:48,760 Speaker 1: may choose to go back to Pittsburgh. Why is he 117 00:07:48,840 --> 00:07:53,640 Speaker 1: interested in USC? Oh? Good Hell, the entertainment capital of 118 00:07:53,640 --> 00:07:57,840 Speaker 1: the country. Caleb Williams Lincoln Riley, I don't know. Why 119 00:07:57,840 --> 00:08:01,280 Speaker 1: would he be interested. Pitt is a top twenty program. 120 00:08:01,280 --> 00:08:05,120 Speaker 1: Maybe USC is historically a top three program. Most players 121 00:08:05,120 --> 00:08:09,920 Speaker 1: ever drafted in NFL history as USC. Yes, a star 122 00:08:10,120 --> 00:08:14,280 Speaker 1: wide receiver and star quarterbacks are going to transfer a 123 00:08:14,400 --> 00:08:17,000 Speaker 1: lot in the next five to ten years. If Lincoln 124 00:08:17,080 --> 00:08:19,400 Speaker 1: Riley is the head coach, you've got to get over 125 00:08:19,440 --> 00:08:22,920 Speaker 1: this whole tampering thing. How did you get your head 126 00:08:22,920 --> 00:08:26,239 Speaker 1: coach in college? 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And there's 169 00:10:47,640 --> 00:10:51,000 Speaker 1: this perception that Kyle and John Lynch are close, but 170 00:10:51,559 --> 00:10:54,600 Speaker 1: I think they'd be less close if Deebo Samuel was dealt. 171 00:10:54,960 --> 00:10:58,560 Speaker 1: And John's track record as the forty nine ers GM 172 00:10:58,679 --> 00:11:01,040 Speaker 1: has been a mixed bag there's some misses and there's 173 00:11:01,040 --> 00:11:04,600 Speaker 1: some hits. Yeah, how do you view I mean, I 174 00:11:04,679 --> 00:11:07,000 Speaker 1: get moving off Debo, but I do think he's a 175 00:11:07,040 --> 00:11:10,280 Speaker 1: stupendous player. My concern is if you pay Debo and 176 00:11:10,440 --> 00:11:13,439 Speaker 1: Kittle big money, they're both injury prone. That's that's a 177 00:11:13,800 --> 00:11:16,240 Speaker 1: that could go sideways by week six and then you've 178 00:11:16,320 --> 00:11:18,440 Speaker 1: you know, you got bags of money and nobody playing. 179 00:11:19,240 --> 00:11:21,840 Speaker 1: What's the relationship do you think between what did you 180 00:11:21,880 --> 00:11:26,520 Speaker 1: make of the Niners draft and the Lynch Kyle current relationship? Yeah, 181 00:11:26,520 --> 00:11:28,240 Speaker 1: I mean I think they made the right move because 182 00:11:28,280 --> 00:11:30,439 Speaker 1: I think Debo's value is pretty unique. I mean he 183 00:11:30,480 --> 00:11:33,400 Speaker 1: saw the potential Jets offer sucked. I mean pick ten 184 00:11:34,000 --> 00:11:36,280 Speaker 1: for Debo and you had to get pick you know, 185 00:11:36,320 --> 00:11:38,480 Speaker 1: the second your second round pick, So it didn't make 186 00:11:38,520 --> 00:11:40,640 Speaker 1: any sense for the forty nine ers to make that move. 187 00:11:41,200 --> 00:11:45,960 Speaker 1: I also think A J. Brown had more universal value 188 00:11:46,040 --> 00:11:48,320 Speaker 1: on the market to every team. You know, he's a 189 00:11:48,320 --> 00:11:51,480 Speaker 1: big outside wide receiver. I mean, Debot, he's not a 190 00:11:51,559 --> 00:11:54,600 Speaker 1: gadget player, but he's you need the right coach to 191 00:11:54,679 --> 00:11:59,120 Speaker 1: have Deebo Samuel Now, I think where it's the George 192 00:11:59,200 --> 00:12:02,360 Speaker 1: Kittle because he played tight end, doesn't make that much money. 193 00:12:02,440 --> 00:12:05,720 Speaker 1: His guaranteed contract I think was well under forty million dollars. 194 00:12:05,840 --> 00:12:08,040 Speaker 1: So they got lucky that one of their star players. 195 00:12:08,120 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 1: That position kind of gets screwed in the market hierarchy 196 00:12:11,800 --> 00:12:15,200 Speaker 1: of NFL of paying players. But they're about to pay 197 00:12:15,320 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 1: Nick Bosa, who we all see what the edge dreshers make. 198 00:12:18,440 --> 00:12:20,720 Speaker 1: I mean he's going to get, you know, basically a 199 00:12:20,800 --> 00:12:24,120 Speaker 1: quarterback contract right making twenty five million dollars a year 200 00:12:24,160 --> 00:12:27,160 Speaker 1: with true guarantees of one hundred and five hundred and 201 00:12:27,160 --> 00:12:30,840 Speaker 1: ten million dollars. So it is a complicated situation. I 202 00:12:30,880 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 1: do think the money that A. J. Brown got fifty 203 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 1: seven million dollars guaranteed is kind of team friendly. You know, 204 00:12:37,920 --> 00:12:40,880 Speaker 1: you see some of these numbers, seventy five, eighty million dollars, 205 00:12:41,240 --> 00:12:43,720 Speaker 1: it's not that much. Now he is twenty four deep, 206 00:12:43,760 --> 00:12:45,880 Speaker 1: same with Debo or I guess Debo's twenty five, but 207 00:12:45,960 --> 00:12:49,360 Speaker 1: he's been injured. I do understand the reservations from the 208 00:12:49,360 --> 00:12:52,520 Speaker 1: forty nine ers, but how many guys do you know 209 00:12:52,600 --> 00:12:54,760 Speaker 1: that you can win playoff games with? And he's one 210 00:12:54,800 --> 00:12:56,880 Speaker 1: of those guys. Like when you step on a game 211 00:12:57,200 --> 00:13:00,679 Speaker 1: to play another team in January on the road, he 212 00:13:00,679 --> 00:13:02,280 Speaker 1: can be the best player in them, you know that 213 00:13:02,320 --> 00:13:03,920 Speaker 1: for a fact. The other thing, he's a good guy, 214 00:13:04,000 --> 00:13:07,200 Speaker 1: like great energy guy. He's not a negative guy at all. 215 00:13:07,480 --> 00:13:10,920 Speaker 1: He's very positive. I think him. Kyle and John loved 216 00:13:10,960 --> 00:13:14,840 Speaker 1: Deebo Samuel, and they said something I think after maybe 217 00:13:14,840 --> 00:13:17,600 Speaker 1: their Thursday night press conference or Friday night press conference, 218 00:13:18,480 --> 00:13:22,040 Speaker 1: is when the season ends, the players just there's a 219 00:13:22,080 --> 00:13:24,199 Speaker 1: separation for a long time and you spend a lot 220 00:13:24,200 --> 00:13:25,880 Speaker 1: of time on your phone and a lot of things 221 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,680 Speaker 1: get said. They said, we know the guy. You know, 222 00:13:29,120 --> 00:13:31,560 Speaker 1: we didn't just meet him last year. We've been around 223 00:13:31,640 --> 00:13:33,800 Speaker 1: him for three years. We're pretty confident. And this is 224 00:13:33,840 --> 00:13:38,920 Speaker 1: also why these younger coaches, their relationship with players really matters. 225 00:13:39,120 --> 00:13:40,960 Speaker 1: You know. I think the old days of Walsh and 226 00:13:41,240 --> 00:13:43,599 Speaker 1: Parcels and even what Belichick still is get rid of 227 00:13:43,640 --> 00:13:46,360 Speaker 1: anyone at any moment. That's not really how Kyle and 228 00:13:46,480 --> 00:13:49,599 Speaker 1: McVeigh kind of operate, because they're actually much closer in 229 00:13:49,679 --> 00:13:51,920 Speaker 1: age to some of these guys, and through their actions 230 00:13:51,920 --> 00:13:54,959 Speaker 1: they feel even younger than forty years old. So I 231 00:13:55,280 --> 00:13:58,600 Speaker 1: think it'll all get worked out. Malik Willis drops to 232 00:13:58,679 --> 00:14:03,760 Speaker 1: the Titans at number eighty six. Obviously, NFL general managers, 233 00:14:04,320 --> 00:14:06,520 Speaker 1: who knows if Kenny Pickett goes in the first round, 234 00:14:06,640 --> 00:14:10,600 Speaker 1: if Pittsburgh and the Panthers and the Steelers don't share facilities. 235 00:14:10,640 --> 00:14:13,000 Speaker 1: I mean that some of that felt like they'd seen 236 00:14:13,120 --> 00:14:16,280 Speaker 1: so much of Kenny Pickett that they drafted him. What 237 00:14:16,320 --> 00:14:18,800 Speaker 1: was the NFL saying about Malik Willis? I mean what 238 00:14:18,840 --> 00:14:21,440 Speaker 1: they were saying, I mean, how the UNC kid in 239 00:14:21,480 --> 00:14:25,480 Speaker 1: the fifth round? I think, I know I struggle with 240 00:14:25,520 --> 00:14:28,480 Speaker 1: the word dropped. I mean, did a lot of teams 241 00:14:28,520 --> 00:14:31,160 Speaker 1: have him viewed as a first round player? He had 242 00:14:31,200 --> 00:14:35,720 Speaker 1: some first round attributes, huge arm athletic guy, but as 243 00:14:35,720 --> 00:14:38,640 Speaker 1: a player he was not very good. And this notion 244 00:14:39,040 --> 00:14:41,400 Speaker 1: Josh Allen was a huge Josh Allen was six five 245 00:14:41,440 --> 00:14:43,880 Speaker 1: and a half, ran like Cam Newton, and could throw 246 00:14:43,920 --> 00:14:46,000 Speaker 1: the ball out of the stadium. I mean, he's a 247 00:14:46,040 --> 00:14:48,600 Speaker 1: pretty unique case, right, So if we're always going to 248 00:14:48,720 --> 00:14:50,680 Speaker 1: use him as the example, I think a lot of 249 00:14:50,720 --> 00:14:53,320 Speaker 1: teams aren't comfortable with doing that. I think both him 250 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:55,920 Speaker 1: and Desmond Ritter went where they were supposed to go. 251 00:14:56,200 --> 00:14:58,320 Speaker 1: There we act like there's something wrong with going in 252 00:14:58,360 --> 00:15:01,200 Speaker 1: the third round. Most humans that play this ward of 253 00:15:01,200 --> 00:15:04,160 Speaker 1: football never sniffed the NFL. Let alone get drafted going 254 00:15:04,200 --> 00:15:07,200 Speaker 1: in the third round is still pretty impressive as a quarterback. Right. 255 00:15:07,280 --> 00:15:11,320 Speaker 1: Russell Wilson went there, we know Brady Monte Scott fourth round. Yeah, yeah, 256 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:14,160 Speaker 1: I mean Kirk Cousins. Like, I just think there are 257 00:15:14,200 --> 00:15:16,720 Speaker 1: only so many picks in the first round, really, the 258 00:15:16,760 --> 00:15:19,560 Speaker 1: first two rounds, right, And a large percentage of teams 259 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:23,680 Speaker 1: have quarterbacks that they've recently drafted or guys under big contracts. 260 00:15:23,840 --> 00:15:26,120 Speaker 1: They're not going to draft a quarterback. So the percentage 261 00:15:26,160 --> 00:15:28,480 Speaker 1: of teams that are going to draft a rookie quarterback 262 00:15:28,560 --> 00:15:33,280 Speaker 1: high is already cut by what fifty percent, maybe even higher, 263 00:15:33,600 --> 00:15:35,720 Speaker 1: So it's a small percent. We act like every team 264 00:15:35,760 --> 00:15:38,000 Speaker 1: is in the mix. That's just not true. Look at Tennessee, 265 00:15:38,240 --> 00:15:40,040 Speaker 1: you know they could have taken a quarterback, but they 266 00:15:40,080 --> 00:15:42,680 Speaker 1: easily could have not. I just think they saw value there. 267 00:15:42,720 --> 00:15:45,000 Speaker 1: They have a starting quarterback. It makes a lot of sense. 268 00:15:45,200 --> 00:15:47,600 Speaker 1: Same thing with Desmond Ritter. What's his comparison? Kind of 269 00:15:47,600 --> 00:15:51,520 Speaker 1: like a Mariota type guy, right, Arthur Smith read kind 270 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:58,600 Speaker 1: of resurrected Ryan Tannehill, athletic guy. Good spot for him, 271 00:15:58,640 --> 00:16:01,200 Speaker 1: all right, Chris Ballard, he'd been a gem now at 272 00:16:01,240 --> 00:16:05,400 Speaker 1: five years former Director of Player Opts Personnel Bears Director 273 00:16:05,400 --> 00:16:09,600 Speaker 1: of Pro Scouting, a guy I implicitly trust a lot 274 00:16:09,600 --> 00:16:12,640 Speaker 1: smarter on me than me on this stuff. And I 275 00:16:12,680 --> 00:16:15,560 Speaker 1: was thinking about this morning when I was knew I 276 00:16:15,560 --> 00:16:18,680 Speaker 1: was going to interview you, I thought, Okay, I gotta 277 00:16:18,720 --> 00:16:21,880 Speaker 1: ask him. You're in a very unique position. You have 278 00:16:21,920 --> 00:16:24,960 Speaker 1: an owner who gets the sport, like truly understand it. 279 00:16:25,200 --> 00:16:27,680 Speaker 1: Jim's in a class of about two owners. I mean, 280 00:16:27,760 --> 00:16:31,040 Speaker 1: Jerry Jones played it, but Jim really, he really knows 281 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,400 Speaker 1: the sport. And he's brutally outspoken. I mean I brought 282 00:16:34,480 --> 00:16:38,320 Speaker 1: him on my show nine months ago. He'll talk about anything, 283 00:16:38,840 --> 00:16:41,520 Speaker 1: and he's going on He goes on McAfee show the 284 00:16:41,600 --> 00:16:43,880 Speaker 1: other day ilight pad a lot and he said, yeah, 285 00:16:44,120 --> 00:16:47,160 Speaker 1: that wednes thing was a damn mistake. And I'm like, well, 286 00:16:47,400 --> 00:16:51,360 Speaker 1: it was twenty seventy seven picks, sixty four sixty three, 287 00:16:51,720 --> 00:16:55,000 Speaker 1: completion percentage, thirty six hundred yards. It's one of the 288 00:16:55,040 --> 00:16:57,320 Speaker 1: great mistakes in league history because it was pretty good. 289 00:16:57,680 --> 00:17:02,320 Speaker 1: But when you have an owners the sport will give 290 00:17:02,360 --> 00:17:05,840 Speaker 1: strong opinions. Is that good for you? How do you? 291 00:17:06,119 --> 00:17:10,080 Speaker 1: How do you view that? Because that's rare the knowledge 292 00:17:10,480 --> 00:17:13,200 Speaker 1: and the willingness to go and say stuff that other 293 00:17:13,240 --> 00:17:19,919 Speaker 1: owners walt. It's it's great for me. I mean, I like, 294 00:17:20,000 --> 00:17:22,560 Speaker 1: I have a lot of respect for miss Darsay just 295 00:17:22,640 --> 00:17:24,760 Speaker 1: because he's done the job like he's done it at 296 00:17:24,800 --> 00:17:30,560 Speaker 1: every level from equipment room, you know, folding socks and 297 00:17:31,520 --> 00:17:34,320 Speaker 1: all the way up to the GM level. So and 298 00:17:34,440 --> 00:17:37,840 Speaker 1: he's seen a lot of football and over the years, 299 00:17:37,880 --> 00:17:42,240 Speaker 1: and I have great respect for when we talk about football. 300 00:17:42,280 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 1: It's one of the great things about being here. I mean, 301 00:17:45,359 --> 00:17:48,159 Speaker 1: I'm there forget before I took the job, you know, 302 00:17:48,280 --> 00:17:51,399 Speaker 1: talking to people have been here before, you know, well 303 00:17:51,440 --> 00:17:54,320 Speaker 1: respected people, and they said, Chris, you will not work 304 00:17:55,240 --> 00:17:58,520 Speaker 1: for a better owner in terms of wanting to win 305 00:17:59,160 --> 00:18:02,160 Speaker 1: and know how to do knowing the game of football 306 00:18:02,160 --> 00:18:04,760 Speaker 1: and knowing how to do it the right way. And look, 307 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:08,920 Speaker 1: we both are very strong willed and that can lead 308 00:18:08,960 --> 00:18:12,600 Speaker 1: to some very animated discussions between both of us, and 309 00:18:12,640 --> 00:18:14,880 Speaker 1: that's a good thing. That's That's one of the things 310 00:18:14,920 --> 00:18:16,720 Speaker 1: I really love about him is I don't have to 311 00:18:17,480 --> 00:18:21,560 Speaker 1: like I don't I don't have to sugarcoat anything, like 312 00:18:21,880 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 1: when we have a game on Sunday. He knows what 313 00:18:24,640 --> 00:18:27,879 Speaker 1: he's looking at that. You know, I can't go bs 314 00:18:28,000 --> 00:18:31,280 Speaker 1: him and well, this is the no, he's looking at 315 00:18:31,320 --> 00:18:34,760 Speaker 1: the same thing I'm looking at. So and I think 316 00:18:34,800 --> 00:18:38,000 Speaker 1: the only way is an organization that you can really 317 00:18:38,080 --> 00:18:41,280 Speaker 1: make progress. And this leads hard. I mean, it is 318 00:18:41,359 --> 00:18:44,719 Speaker 1: really hard, and it is hard to win. But the 319 00:18:44,760 --> 00:18:46,840 Speaker 1: only way you can really make progress is if you 320 00:18:46,920 --> 00:18:52,679 Speaker 1: are internally focused on yourself and really having hard evaluations 321 00:18:52,720 --> 00:18:57,440 Speaker 1: that need to happen, and not be worried about people's 322 00:18:57,480 --> 00:19:00,840 Speaker 1: feelings along the way. I mean, I mean, look, we 323 00:19:00,960 --> 00:19:05,960 Speaker 1: screw things up. It happens, and you know, the willingness 324 00:19:06,000 --> 00:19:09,159 Speaker 1: of him to be able to listen see it and 325 00:19:09,280 --> 00:19:11,760 Speaker 1: admit you're like, hey man, we just we got it wrong. 326 00:19:11,880 --> 00:19:14,960 Speaker 1: Let's move forward. That's a comforting thing for me. Is 327 00:19:15,000 --> 00:19:18,280 Speaker 1: a GM and I'm naturally that's a little of my 328 00:19:18,440 --> 00:19:21,800 Speaker 1: nature anyways when I and Lord knows, I've had my 329 00:19:21,880 --> 00:19:25,800 Speaker 1: share of screw ups. But knowing you have an owner 330 00:19:25,840 --> 00:19:33,119 Speaker 1: that understands that that happens is it's very securing for me. 331 00:19:33,200 --> 00:19:37,200 Speaker 1: I enjoy it. So let's go back to acquiring Matt Ryan, 332 00:19:37,280 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: and I think he's a really good fit. So take 333 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,520 Speaker 1: me to the conversation you and Jim Er say, so 334 00:19:42,800 --> 00:19:45,680 Speaker 1: you know you're moving off? Whence are you driving to work? 335 00:19:45,720 --> 00:19:48,280 Speaker 1: Are you driving home? Like? Like? Was it a long 336 00:19:48,400 --> 00:19:52,920 Speaker 1: process taken to the first conversation had with Jim Well, 337 00:19:53,119 --> 00:19:55,000 Speaker 1: I mean, I give this our say a lot of credit. 338 00:19:55,080 --> 00:19:57,960 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm I'm pretty patient by nature. I mean, 339 00:19:58,000 --> 00:20:01,840 Speaker 1: I don't really care what it's going on outside of 340 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:06,159 Speaker 1: our walls. And the panic that happened so on there. 341 00:20:06,200 --> 00:20:08,240 Speaker 1: You know, after we made the trade, you know, me 342 00:20:08,720 --> 00:20:11,719 Speaker 1: a Frank and I talked and he said, look, just 343 00:20:11,800 --> 00:20:17,120 Speaker 1: be patient. Something good's going to happen. Um, just be patient, 344 00:20:17,280 --> 00:20:20,679 Speaker 1: don't panic and just sign a player, to sign a 345 00:20:20,680 --> 00:20:23,119 Speaker 1: player just to fill the need to make everybody happy 346 00:20:23,119 --> 00:20:26,600 Speaker 1: in the moment. And you know when when the Deshaun 347 00:20:26,720 --> 00:20:30,800 Speaker 1: watched and stuff started happening, Um, we just we have 348 00:20:30,920 --> 00:20:33,280 Speaker 1: been tracking it and looking at the teams who he 349 00:20:33,320 --> 00:20:36,200 Speaker 1: could go to and where you know, the quarterbacks could 350 00:20:36,240 --> 00:20:38,520 Speaker 1: be available, and you know, we gotta we gotta call 351 00:20:38,560 --> 00:20:40,760 Speaker 1: one day from Atlanta and said, hey, look, you know 352 00:20:40,800 --> 00:20:43,720 Speaker 1: we're in this and would you be interested in Matt 353 00:20:43,800 --> 00:20:45,879 Speaker 1: Ryan because he's going to have it. He's one of 354 00:20:45,880 --> 00:20:48,600 Speaker 1: the places that he said he has interest in going 355 00:20:48,720 --> 00:20:52,680 Speaker 1: in Indianapolis, and you know at that point we just 356 00:20:52,840 --> 00:20:54,720 Speaker 1: we kind of worked through it with Atlanta and when 357 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:58,360 Speaker 1: they didn't get De Shaun, we stayed in contact. Um, 358 00:20:58,640 --> 00:21:00,439 Speaker 1: and I'll never get the night before I feel as 359 00:21:00,480 --> 00:21:02,320 Speaker 1: Thursday said hey, look this is where we're at, and 360 00:21:02,400 --> 00:21:04,680 Speaker 1: you said, Chris, get it done. And I said, good 361 00:21:04,720 --> 00:21:07,440 Speaker 1: because I feel the same way. Now. You were blocked. 362 00:21:07,440 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 1: Weren't you buy the Texans for de Shaan? That was 363 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,679 Speaker 1: a story? Oh that was a story. There's lots of stories. 364 00:21:12,720 --> 00:21:18,120 Speaker 1: Call them well half of them, have them mature, half 365 00:21:18,160 --> 00:21:20,520 Speaker 1: of them or not. So I guess you can block 366 00:21:20,560 --> 00:21:23,760 Speaker 1: people for a request, right you can. You have a 367 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:27,760 Speaker 1: right to block people. I mean people call the trade 368 00:21:27,800 --> 00:21:29,280 Speaker 1: for players all the time and I tell them no. 369 00:21:29,960 --> 00:21:31,880 Speaker 1: So you how many calls a day do you get 370 00:21:31,880 --> 00:21:36,440 Speaker 1: from an executive in the league that's not a CULTS employee. Um, 371 00:21:37,119 --> 00:21:40,000 Speaker 1: there's some guys. I mean, I wouldn't say every day, 372 00:21:40,080 --> 00:21:43,359 Speaker 1: but I talked to. I mean, there's certain gems around 373 00:21:43,400 --> 00:21:47,120 Speaker 1: the league that I have tremendous respect for that there's 374 00:21:47,160 --> 00:21:49,360 Speaker 1: a trust level there that I that I do talk 375 00:21:49,440 --> 00:21:52,000 Speaker 1: to and some of the same ones you know, yeah, 376 00:21:52,640 --> 00:21:55,680 Speaker 1: that I just have great respect and can bounce things 377 00:21:55,720 --> 00:21:58,280 Speaker 1: off of and know that it won't be on you know, 378 00:21:58,280 --> 00:22:00,440 Speaker 1: it won't be in the news and the next day. 379 00:22:01,400 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 1: And we're pretty active, you know, even though people don't 380 00:22:05,080 --> 00:22:06,760 Speaker 1: think we are pretty active around the league in our 381 00:22:06,800 --> 00:22:10,120 Speaker 1: postcasts do a tremendous job talking and making sure their 382 00:22:10,160 --> 00:22:12,600 Speaker 1: contacts around the league are strong and that we know 383 00:22:12,640 --> 00:22:19,719 Speaker 1: what's going on. Yeah, do you do you ever like 384 00:22:19,800 --> 00:22:22,680 Speaker 1: some of this stuff? When I was in the Chargers 385 00:22:22,840 --> 00:22:25,640 Speaker 1: war room a couple of years ago, I was fascinated 386 00:22:26,880 --> 00:22:30,840 Speaker 1: by how to LESCo ran it and um, I mean 387 00:22:30,920 --> 00:22:35,040 Speaker 1: just having his director of scouting people next to him 388 00:22:35,280 --> 00:22:37,920 Speaker 1: working the phones, and to me it was like, this 389 00:22:37,960 --> 00:22:41,679 Speaker 1: is such a great tight wire job. When when you 390 00:22:41,800 --> 00:22:45,359 Speaker 1: go into draft day, do you do they do like 391 00:22:45,520 --> 00:22:49,399 Speaker 1: dress rehearsals, Like do you say to your staff, all right, 392 00:22:49,440 --> 00:22:52,120 Speaker 1: we're doing a dress rehearsal and make it as hard 393 00:22:52,160 --> 00:22:55,280 Speaker 1: as you can on me and multiple trades, like because 394 00:22:55,560 --> 00:22:57,480 Speaker 1: the way he told me the story is like listen, 395 00:22:57,480 --> 00:23:02,199 Speaker 1: we kind of we're gonna predict some wild turns on 396 00:23:02,240 --> 00:23:07,400 Speaker 1: this stuff. Do you go through the same process kind of? 397 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:11,199 Speaker 1: But we so we do it a little different than 398 00:23:11,240 --> 00:23:15,080 Speaker 1: some people that we meet. So we watch like Colin, 399 00:23:15,160 --> 00:23:18,320 Speaker 1: we watch everybody, like from free agent all the way 400 00:23:18,400 --> 00:23:21,920 Speaker 1: up to the best picks. We watch them all and 401 00:23:21,960 --> 00:23:24,520 Speaker 1: we it's a three month process, and so as we're 402 00:23:24,560 --> 00:23:26,840 Speaker 1: going through it, you know, we spend a lot of 403 00:23:26,880 --> 00:23:30,320 Speaker 1: time stacking it the way we see it. And then 404 00:23:30,359 --> 00:23:33,760 Speaker 1: on draft day, like I always tell our guys like, hey, 405 00:23:33,800 --> 00:23:36,760 Speaker 1: are you are we sure in the second round here, 406 00:23:37,359 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: because if because as this thing pills off, if that's 407 00:23:40,280 --> 00:23:43,800 Speaker 1: the last name that's who we're taking, I'm not. We're 408 00:23:43,840 --> 00:23:47,359 Speaker 1: not doing all this work for the last year, and 409 00:23:47,400 --> 00:23:49,480 Speaker 1: then all of a sudden on draft day, flipping and 410 00:23:49,520 --> 00:23:51,639 Speaker 1: going I don't feel good about this guy. Now, No, 411 00:23:52,520 --> 00:23:54,719 Speaker 1: we and so how we end up? I think we 412 00:23:54,840 --> 00:23:57,720 Speaker 1: ended up probably more. I think we had one hundred 413 00:23:57,720 --> 00:23:59,920 Speaker 1: and eighty one guys on the board this year, which 414 00:23:59,920 --> 00:24:02,240 Speaker 1: a lot for us usually usually will be in the 415 00:24:02,280 --> 00:24:04,760 Speaker 1: one sixty range. And I think at the end of 416 00:24:04,760 --> 00:24:08,920 Speaker 1: the draft there was fifteen names left. So I thought 417 00:24:08,920 --> 00:24:11,480 Speaker 1: we identified who needed to be up there that was 418 00:24:11,600 --> 00:24:14,560 Speaker 1: fits for us and the way we saw it, and 419 00:24:14,600 --> 00:24:17,320 Speaker 1: then on draft day, like, we don't because we spent 420 00:24:17,520 --> 00:24:20,480 Speaker 1: so much time stacking it, it peels off. Colin. It's 421 00:24:20,640 --> 00:24:24,800 Speaker 1: usually pretty easy and simple, like there might be sometimes 422 00:24:24,840 --> 00:24:27,760 Speaker 1: there might be one name left. This year, there happened 423 00:24:27,760 --> 00:24:30,800 Speaker 1: to be three or four at forty two that we're like, okay, 424 00:24:31,280 --> 00:24:33,160 Speaker 1: that's when we made the trade back to fifty three 425 00:24:33,280 --> 00:24:36,119 Speaker 1: was the right. We still think we can get you know, 426 00:24:36,200 --> 00:24:40,480 Speaker 1: these guys at fifty three, so we let our board determine. 427 00:24:40,960 --> 00:24:44,560 Speaker 1: And I think we're all pretty good. We're all pretty 428 00:24:44,600 --> 00:24:46,560 Speaker 1: quick thinkers on our feet. Like I had a really 429 00:24:46,600 --> 00:24:50,280 Speaker 1: great group from our from D days, my sister GM, 430 00:24:50,359 --> 00:24:55,120 Speaker 1: the Kevin are you know who? Director player personnel, to Morocco, 431 00:24:55,240 --> 00:24:59,120 Speaker 1: to our analyst guys, and they're all they all communicate 432 00:25:00,160 --> 00:25:03,159 Speaker 1: to me of what's going on, what's happening in the moment. 433 00:25:03,480 --> 00:25:05,720 Speaker 1: We get a lot of because people know we'll trade, 434 00:25:06,000 --> 00:25:07,880 Speaker 1: they know we'll move down. So we get a lot 435 00:25:07,920 --> 00:25:10,359 Speaker 1: of calls during the draft because they know we're willing 436 00:25:10,359 --> 00:25:13,680 Speaker 1: to move and all of our guys are really good 437 00:25:13,720 --> 00:25:15,920 Speaker 1: at it. So let's say you're in the third round, 438 00:25:15,920 --> 00:25:18,800 Speaker 1: you take Gilanni Woods the tight end and you're moving 439 00:25:18,840 --> 00:25:20,879 Speaker 1: down the board, and tight end was a need you 440 00:25:20,880 --> 00:25:23,520 Speaker 1: wanted another tight end. But let's say you get to 441 00:25:23,600 --> 00:25:28,840 Speaker 1: pick seventy three and he's not your seventy third best player, 442 00:25:29,040 --> 00:25:32,560 Speaker 1: but he's darn close. Do you sit here and think, Okay, 443 00:25:32,560 --> 00:25:35,239 Speaker 1: I got two guys ahead of him, but I you know, 444 00:25:35,840 --> 00:25:37,920 Speaker 1: I don't need a quarterback and I don't need this, 445 00:25:38,520 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: And then like, how far will you go if it's like, listen, 446 00:25:41,920 --> 00:25:44,919 Speaker 1: we have him highly ranked and he's darn close at 447 00:25:44,920 --> 00:25:48,439 Speaker 1: this draft spot? Do you go down three spots five eight? Like, 448 00:25:48,600 --> 00:25:53,080 Speaker 1: explain that process? I think it depends on you know, 449 00:25:53,320 --> 00:25:56,000 Speaker 1: like our analytous guys do. I mean, these guys are 450 00:25:56,000 --> 00:25:59,160 Speaker 1: good now, Colin. They freaking nail it every year for us, 451 00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,240 Speaker 1: and the good do a good job of projecting where 452 00:26:02,920 --> 00:26:06,320 Speaker 1: the range these guys are gonna go and if they 453 00:26:06,480 --> 00:26:09,600 Speaker 1: hit for us from a talent standpoint, where we've got 454 00:26:09,680 --> 00:26:11,720 Speaker 1: them lined up, like we just line them up, like 455 00:26:11,800 --> 00:26:14,800 Speaker 1: I don't ever worry about where the media and the 456 00:26:14,960 --> 00:26:17,880 Speaker 1: experts have them lined up. We lined them up as 457 00:26:17,920 --> 00:26:21,120 Speaker 1: we see them, and then we figure out, okay, we've 458 00:26:21,160 --> 00:26:23,320 Speaker 1: got let's say we got a guy in this third 459 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:27,480 Speaker 1: round and our terliest guys help, Okay, you might be 460 00:26:27,560 --> 00:26:30,359 Speaker 1: able to get this guy twenty picks later, Chris, So 461 00:26:30,440 --> 00:26:32,679 Speaker 1: then we okay, as it worked the risk, you know 462 00:26:32,720 --> 00:26:35,320 Speaker 1: what are we gaining by moving up? So then when 463 00:26:35,359 --> 00:26:37,399 Speaker 1: we moved there, let's say we trade back in the 464 00:26:37,440 --> 00:26:39,359 Speaker 1: third ten picks and we pick up an extra five, 465 00:26:39,400 --> 00:26:41,639 Speaker 1: But what's the cluster of players look like in five 466 00:26:42,200 --> 00:26:44,200 Speaker 1: that we think we're gonna get and we have ranked 467 00:26:44,200 --> 00:26:48,320 Speaker 1: in that area. It was so I'll give our staff 468 00:26:48,320 --> 00:26:49,879 Speaker 1: a lot of Chris So like, we really liked to 469 00:26:49,920 --> 00:26:52,879 Speaker 1: Cross from Maryland, who we took, and we ended up 470 00:26:52,920 --> 00:26:55,320 Speaker 1: moving up and we're giving up a fifth and a 471 00:26:55,400 --> 00:26:59,240 Speaker 1: third next year to get Cross Colin. That happened. There 472 00:26:59,320 --> 00:27:02,320 Speaker 1: was a minute left on the clock with Denver, and 473 00:27:02,440 --> 00:27:04,600 Speaker 1: I just kept telling him just keep calling. Somebody will 474 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:07,320 Speaker 1: somebody will do it. And then finally there's a minute 475 00:27:07,320 --> 00:27:10,720 Speaker 1: on the clock and Kevin yo, over, Hey, I got Denver, 476 00:27:10,800 --> 00:27:13,040 Speaker 1: They'll do the deal, and I mean it. So then 477 00:27:13,080 --> 00:27:14,840 Speaker 1: you got to call the league. Both teams got to 478 00:27:14,840 --> 00:27:17,240 Speaker 1: call the league within a minute and get to get 479 00:27:17,280 --> 00:27:20,280 Speaker 1: the kid on the phone to make sure he's around. 480 00:27:20,640 --> 00:27:23,399 Speaker 1: It was dull. Was probably one of the funniest moments 481 00:27:23,400 --> 00:27:25,359 Speaker 1: of the weekend for us because we didn't expect it. 482 00:27:25,440 --> 00:27:27,600 Speaker 1: We didn't think we were going to get him. We 483 00:27:27,640 --> 00:27:30,159 Speaker 1: had already taken you know, three really good players that 484 00:27:30,160 --> 00:27:32,320 Speaker 1: we liked and then they get cross at the end. 485 00:27:33,200 --> 00:27:34,840 Speaker 1: That was kind of that was kind of the cherry 486 00:27:34,840 --> 00:27:40,800 Speaker 1: on top for us. All Right, co host of the 487 00:27:40,800 --> 00:27:44,040 Speaker 1: Doomsday Podcast with Ed Werder. He is part of the 488 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,439 Speaker 1: volume as well. He is a regular contributor. We have 489 00:27:47,520 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: so many things to discuss. He's my friend Matt Mosley. 490 00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:56,520 Speaker 1: So we'll get to the Cowboys draft in a second. 491 00:27:57,240 --> 00:28:01,200 Speaker 1: You live in Big twelve country, so you really understand 492 00:28:01,280 --> 00:28:06,280 Speaker 1: the pulse of that conference, and you understand Sooner fans 493 00:28:06,280 --> 00:28:10,960 Speaker 1: and Longhorn fans, and you have an encyclopedic knowledge of 494 00:28:10,960 --> 00:28:15,520 Speaker 1: all things Lubbock, which I value greatly. So I said 495 00:28:15,520 --> 00:28:19,080 Speaker 1: this in my rant to start this podcast. I said, 496 00:28:20,119 --> 00:28:24,680 Speaker 1: there's a reason Lincoln Riley has trended at least once 497 00:28:24,720 --> 00:28:28,320 Speaker 1: a week every week since he left, because when people 498 00:28:28,359 --> 00:28:31,520 Speaker 1: are hurt, they lash out. You know who hasn't trended 499 00:28:31,560 --> 00:28:37,399 Speaker 1: one time since that Brent Venibles, and that because nobody 500 00:28:37,440 --> 00:28:41,080 Speaker 1: here gives a shit about Oklahoma football in California. And 501 00:28:41,360 --> 00:28:43,800 Speaker 1: I think a lot of people think I'm obsessed with 502 00:28:43,880 --> 00:28:49,040 Speaker 1: Lincoln Riley. I'm obsessed with those who are obsessed. Californians 503 00:28:49,040 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 1: are a little self absorbed we have Mediterranean weather, the 504 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:54,560 Speaker 1: fifth biggest economy in the world. We don't really care 505 00:28:54,560 --> 00:28:59,240 Speaker 1: about anybody else but ourselves. We really don't care about 506 00:28:59,280 --> 00:29:01,720 Speaker 1: the Big twelve Oklahoma football. And I know that comes 507 00:29:01,720 --> 00:29:08,240 Speaker 1: off as obnoxious, but you know you're from Texas, you guys, 508 00:29:08,480 --> 00:29:11,080 Speaker 1: you know you have your own culture. You feel you're 509 00:29:11,200 --> 00:29:14,320 Speaker 1: very important too. And so this whole Lincoln Riley thing, 510 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:18,040 Speaker 1: why can't Sooner fans? My takeaway is they're pissed, they 511 00:29:18,080 --> 00:29:22,640 Speaker 1: were dubbed, They're hurt, and they're lashing out. Is inn't 512 00:29:22,640 --> 00:29:28,280 Speaker 1: that it? Yeah, I do think they're hurt. I also 513 00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:34,400 Speaker 1: think that Lincoln is you know, one thing, one misstep 514 00:29:34,440 --> 00:29:37,520 Speaker 1: he's made. And I know in your mind it seems 515 00:29:37,560 --> 00:29:42,960 Speaker 1: like there are no missteps, but I think the player's 516 00:29:43,040 --> 00:29:46,720 Speaker 1: tribune thing was a misstep. It's it's kind of like 517 00:29:46,800 --> 00:29:49,760 Speaker 1: in Texas and him. You know, Jimbo. Did you hear 518 00:29:49,840 --> 00:29:51,960 Speaker 1: him when they when they got the best recruiting class 519 00:29:51,960 --> 00:29:54,959 Speaker 1: in the country, he got real defensive. You have to 520 00:29:55,040 --> 00:30:00,320 Speaker 1: lean into these things. Yes, if if Texas people in 521 00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,720 Speaker 1: this part of the country where I am I'm in Dallas, 522 00:30:03,000 --> 00:30:06,560 Speaker 1: the people in Oklahoma and everywhere, if they are truly 523 00:30:06,600 --> 00:30:10,600 Speaker 1: going to think of this guy as the villain. He 524 00:30:11,320 --> 00:30:14,280 Speaker 1: sort of needs to embrace that. And I think what 525 00:30:15,200 --> 00:30:17,920 Speaker 1: he's dealing with, part of him wants to embrace it, 526 00:30:18,480 --> 00:30:22,040 Speaker 1: and part of him wants to keep a friendship with 527 00:30:22,160 --> 00:30:27,280 Speaker 1: Bob Stoops and he thinks he kind of let people down, 528 00:30:28,160 --> 00:30:32,880 Speaker 1: and so he's trying to play it both ways and 529 00:30:33,280 --> 00:30:37,080 Speaker 1: you can't you can't win doing that, Like he's got 530 00:30:37,080 --> 00:30:41,240 Speaker 1: to own it. And if this Pitt kid, I mean, 531 00:30:41,320 --> 00:30:45,800 Speaker 1: that became a huge story. Not because in the country, 532 00:30:45,880 --> 00:30:48,040 Speaker 1: think about that, this kid won the Bulletin and Cough Award. 533 00:30:48,440 --> 00:30:50,760 Speaker 1: And I bet two or three weeks ago most of 534 00:30:50,760 --> 00:30:53,440 Speaker 1: the country didn't know who this guy was, or I 535 00:30:53,720 --> 00:30:56,440 Speaker 1: knew just a little bit about him. And now he's 536 00:30:56,480 --> 00:31:02,640 Speaker 1: a huge story because his coach thinks Lincoln's been tampering 537 00:31:02,640 --> 00:31:07,400 Speaker 1: and everything, and Lincoln's gotta Lincoln's gotta either own it 538 00:31:08,440 --> 00:31:13,640 Speaker 1: or or you know not. But if he keeps trying 539 00:31:13,680 --> 00:31:17,240 Speaker 1: to play sort of both sides of this, I think 540 00:31:17,240 --> 00:31:20,000 Speaker 1: it's gonna it won't be good for him. But I 541 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,480 Speaker 1: get what. I get the reason why everybody out there 542 00:31:23,560 --> 00:31:26,920 Speaker 1: is excited about him because it's been so long since, 543 00:31:26,960 --> 00:31:30,200 Speaker 1: Like it's been a while since USC has just sort 544 00:31:30,200 --> 00:31:33,480 Speaker 1: of had this. We have what we think is the 545 00:31:33,520 --> 00:31:38,480 Speaker 1: best coach, and everything's um, we're gonna run this conference again. 546 00:31:39,440 --> 00:31:43,239 Speaker 1: And there's a feeling at Oklahoma that's interesting what you've 547 00:31:43,240 --> 00:31:47,400 Speaker 1: said about Venables. I think they love him. But again 548 00:31:47,760 --> 00:31:52,840 Speaker 1: it's Venables get you back to Stoops and get you 549 00:31:52,920 --> 00:31:56,240 Speaker 1: back to Switzer and get you back these programs. You 550 00:31:56,320 --> 00:31:59,000 Speaker 1: see it a lot with college basketball. They can't function. 551 00:31:59,560 --> 00:32:04,479 Speaker 1: It's just in sestuous relationship, like can't higher outside, UNC 552 00:32:04,760 --> 00:32:10,320 Speaker 1: can't hire outside. And so Oklahoma had this. I mean 553 00:32:10,600 --> 00:32:13,760 Speaker 1: Stoops was outside, by the way, but Stoops became a 554 00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,760 Speaker 1: huge member of the family. So there's a lot going on. 555 00:32:18,560 --> 00:32:21,760 Speaker 1: But in and I think Lincoln can win this thing 556 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,360 Speaker 1: if he just kind of does his own thing. But 557 00:32:24,480 --> 00:32:29,000 Speaker 1: when he acknowledges and tries to fix it with the 558 00:32:29,040 --> 00:32:34,000 Speaker 1: player's tribune stories, I think it. I think it takes 559 00:32:34,000 --> 00:32:37,000 Speaker 1: away from what he could be doing, which is kind 560 00:32:37,040 --> 00:32:40,080 Speaker 1: of what you're doing, is just embracing all this and 561 00:32:40,240 --> 00:32:44,920 Speaker 1: embracing the hate. Like I like it. I think it's funnier. Yeah, 562 00:32:44,960 --> 00:32:48,840 Speaker 1: and you've been at a perch, you've been at a 563 00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:51,680 Speaker 1: place enough where you can handle it, and you would 564 00:32:51,760 --> 00:32:54,640 Speaker 1: think Lincoln could. I mean, he's been at a huge 565 00:32:54,720 --> 00:32:59,120 Speaker 1: blue blood program, but I think there's still some Muleshoe 566 00:32:59,160 --> 00:33:04,560 Speaker 1: Texas in him him that he's having trouble embracing being hated. 567 00:33:05,320 --> 00:33:08,760 Speaker 1: And I mean, I you know you you you love it? 568 00:33:09,440 --> 00:33:12,000 Speaker 1: Oh I love it, Oh God, I love it. I can't. 569 00:33:12,280 --> 00:33:16,640 Speaker 1: And there is nothing more fun than annoying trolls, ignoring 570 00:33:17,080 --> 00:33:20,240 Speaker 1: or acknowledging them, and poking them in the ribs. It's 571 00:33:20,280 --> 00:33:23,680 Speaker 1: the best part of my business outside of creating new, 572 00:33:23,760 --> 00:33:27,400 Speaker 1: fresh fun content, is poking your haters in the ribs. 573 00:33:27,480 --> 00:33:30,680 Speaker 1: It's the very best thing I love. The best thing 574 00:33:30,720 --> 00:33:34,280 Speaker 1: for you is that some of the people who supposedly 575 00:33:34,320 --> 00:33:39,200 Speaker 1: your haters still can't quite get over you and from 576 00:33:39,280 --> 00:33:41,680 Speaker 1: a Baker or and some other people, and they kind 577 00:33:41,680 --> 00:33:45,280 Speaker 1: of keep like they can't learn what kind of Lincoln 578 00:33:45,400 --> 00:33:48,160 Speaker 1: needs to learn, which is to you just got to 579 00:33:48,240 --> 00:33:52,320 Speaker 1: kind of ignore it move on. But they they can't, 580 00:33:52,440 --> 00:33:55,800 Speaker 1: they can't quite do it because they still somehow want 581 00:33:55,840 --> 00:33:59,920 Speaker 1: to maybe either change your mind or change the people 582 00:34:00,160 --> 00:34:06,000 Speaker 1: who love your show's mind. That's hard to do, very astute. 583 00:34:06,360 --> 00:34:10,879 Speaker 1: So you know, I've never felt the Cowboys are poorly run, 584 00:34:12,160 --> 00:34:15,000 Speaker 1: but this draft was interesting. I always felt they were 585 00:34:15,000 --> 00:34:21,719 Speaker 1: a little odd and insular. But they had Cavon Thibadeau 586 00:34:21,760 --> 00:34:24,239 Speaker 1: as their best player in the draft. That is fine, 587 00:34:24,400 --> 00:34:28,399 Speaker 1: Jerry showed his draft card, but I thought that move 588 00:34:28,600 --> 00:34:31,000 Speaker 1: was kind of desperate and weird. And one of the 589 00:34:31,120 --> 00:34:36,040 Speaker 1: things I've always respected about New York media, LA media 590 00:34:36,280 --> 00:34:41,200 Speaker 1: and Dallas media and in Chicago big city media, you're 591 00:34:41,280 --> 00:34:44,719 Speaker 1: willing to hammer on local teams and local personalities. Dale 592 00:34:44,760 --> 00:34:48,440 Speaker 1: Hansen was known for that for years. Is that. I 593 00:34:48,800 --> 00:34:53,880 Speaker 1: heard multiple clips from Dallas media Matt hammer in that 594 00:34:54,080 --> 00:34:57,440 Speaker 1: first pick. So take me, take me to the ground 595 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,880 Speaker 1: floor of this thing. It looked weird. They were the 596 00:35:00,960 --> 00:35:05,640 Speaker 1: most penalized offensive line, They drafted the most penalized offensive linemen. 597 00:35:06,360 --> 00:35:09,520 Speaker 1: It felt like, from an outside perspective, they they got 598 00:35:09,640 --> 00:35:12,560 Speaker 1: kicked in the butt a little bit by the locals. Yeah, 599 00:35:12,640 --> 00:35:15,759 Speaker 1: I think that did happen. And what's happened in the 600 00:35:15,840 --> 00:35:18,480 Speaker 1: local media had happened to those other places you mentioned too, 601 00:35:19,320 --> 00:35:21,879 Speaker 1: is and it's a little ridiculous. We now have these 602 00:35:22,320 --> 00:35:27,920 Speaker 1: armchair scouts and they watched tons of film, and I mean, 603 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,960 Speaker 1: I think you and I have the same thought. It's like, 604 00:35:30,239 --> 00:35:33,400 Speaker 1: have you know Coselle or have somebody sort of do 605 00:35:33,520 --> 00:35:36,000 Speaker 1: that for you. Let's not try to pretend we know 606 00:35:36,080 --> 00:35:38,320 Speaker 1: all this. What's happened, at least in Dallas, maybe some 607 00:35:38,440 --> 00:35:41,279 Speaker 1: other cities too. I'm sure it's happening everywhere, is that 608 00:35:41,719 --> 00:35:47,600 Speaker 1: everybody's become an expert. And interestingly, with this player, suddenly 609 00:35:48,000 --> 00:35:51,080 Speaker 1: all these people that watch all this film and sort 610 00:35:51,080 --> 00:35:54,920 Speaker 1: of claim now to be amateur scouts had this guy 611 00:35:55,000 --> 00:35:58,360 Speaker 1: with like a third round grade. And what happens is 612 00:35:58,400 --> 00:36:01,680 Speaker 1: the listeners and everybody sort of buy into that, Oh 613 00:36:01,719 --> 00:36:03,719 Speaker 1: my gosh, this guy I listened to all the tim 614 00:36:03,800 --> 00:36:06,480 Speaker 1: or listen to his podcast or read had him as 615 00:36:06,520 --> 00:36:09,120 Speaker 1: the third round grade. The one thing I'll say on 616 00:36:09,200 --> 00:36:11,960 Speaker 1: the Cowboys behalf. I mean, it is kind of funny. 617 00:36:12,440 --> 00:36:14,359 Speaker 1: I'm willing to beat up Jerry for a lot of things, 618 00:36:15,680 --> 00:36:18,319 Speaker 1: but we sort of like give Belichick, and a lot 619 00:36:18,320 --> 00:36:20,240 Speaker 1: of it is because of what he's done. We always 620 00:36:20,280 --> 00:36:23,160 Speaker 1: give him the benefit of the doubt. It's like, well, yeah, 621 00:36:23,239 --> 00:36:25,600 Speaker 1: he picked that guy two rounds earlier than everybody thought, 622 00:36:25,760 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: or he picked this guy away earlier. I mean, the 623 00:36:27,760 --> 00:36:30,840 Speaker 1: first two picks for the Patriots came about two rounds 624 00:36:30,920 --> 00:36:34,560 Speaker 1: earlier than everybody thought but Belichick sort of. But one 625 00:36:34,560 --> 00:36:36,560 Speaker 1: of those was a Baylor guy. My alma mater. Number 626 00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:41,520 Speaker 1: fifty in the draft was Taekwon Thornton. But it's fascinating. 627 00:36:41,800 --> 00:36:45,320 Speaker 1: But when the Cowboys, of course, have conviction about a player, 628 00:36:45,640 --> 00:36:48,560 Speaker 1: now here's here's what I've gathered though from talking to 629 00:36:48,680 --> 00:36:53,400 Speaker 1: other things that at least a little bit pushback against 630 00:36:53,520 --> 00:36:57,560 Speaker 1: everybody hammering on his pick. The Cowboys were not alone. 631 00:36:58,000 --> 00:37:00,360 Speaker 1: And maybe the Cowboys were not alone in over valuing 632 00:37:00,440 --> 00:37:06,360 Speaker 1: this guy, but I didn't. Sometimes I go around the 633 00:37:06,440 --> 00:37:08,480 Speaker 1: league and talk to some scouts and everything, and they'll 634 00:37:08,520 --> 00:37:12,320 Speaker 1: immediately like make fun of the Cowboys. This guy's an injury, 635 00:37:12,360 --> 00:37:15,000 Speaker 1: and it's it's funny how how much these guys know. 636 00:37:15,080 --> 00:37:18,359 Speaker 1: Some of these scouts, they'll go Years ago, Cowboys took 637 00:37:18,360 --> 00:37:20,080 Speaker 1: a third round picks their first pick of the draft. 638 00:37:20,200 --> 00:37:23,279 Speaker 1: It was a guy named Brewster from Ball State. Some 639 00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,560 Speaker 1: guys said he'll get hurt immediately, and I said, well, 640 00:37:26,719 --> 00:37:28,279 Speaker 1: he never missed a game in college. What do you 641 00:37:28,360 --> 00:37:30,480 Speaker 1: mean this guy's office tackle. He's never missed a game. 642 00:37:30,520 --> 00:37:33,160 Speaker 1: He'll get hurt immediately. And he went in the weight 643 00:37:33,239 --> 00:37:36,080 Speaker 1: room and popped a peck and he never played it 644 00:37:36,160 --> 00:37:38,759 Speaker 1: down for the Cowboys. He was their first round pick 645 00:37:38,880 --> 00:37:42,640 Speaker 1: that year. It's it's remarkable the medicals they know and 646 00:37:42,760 --> 00:37:46,120 Speaker 1: what they figure out what the Cowboys have decided, and 647 00:37:46,280 --> 00:37:51,040 Speaker 1: I sort of halfway applaud them for this. They think 648 00:37:51,760 --> 00:37:56,040 Speaker 1: this is Tyron Tyrone Smith's replacement and that he could 649 00:37:56,080 --> 00:38:00,399 Speaker 1: be a great tackle, even though he's not a great 650 00:38:00,440 --> 00:38:03,640 Speaker 1: replacement at left guard right now, which is what they need. 651 00:38:03,920 --> 00:38:06,320 Speaker 1: They need somebody to replace Connor Williams, and they're getting 652 00:38:06,360 --> 00:38:09,960 Speaker 1: a guy that is heavily penalized like Connor Williams. But 653 00:38:10,160 --> 00:38:14,439 Speaker 1: their vision of this guy is a long time left 654 00:38:14,520 --> 00:38:19,840 Speaker 1: tackle who has rare trade for his size, can do 655 00:38:20,120 --> 00:38:23,320 Speaker 1: things in bending and getting in pass for you know, 656 00:38:24,120 --> 00:38:28,600 Speaker 1: pass blocking, can do like remarkable things like they think 657 00:38:28,640 --> 00:38:31,399 Speaker 1: that's what he's going to become. So they're basically saying, 658 00:38:31,960 --> 00:38:35,960 Speaker 1: we'll bite the bullet for a year or two because 659 00:38:36,040 --> 00:38:38,200 Speaker 1: we think this guy could be a great left tackle. 660 00:38:39,480 --> 00:38:42,719 Speaker 1: You know, I see something. Though the last three years, 661 00:38:43,080 --> 00:38:47,560 Speaker 1: the Jones family has had some personal drama. The Cowboy 662 00:38:47,680 --> 00:38:51,520 Speaker 1: organizations had a couple ugly stories within it, and in 663 00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:55,000 Speaker 1: that same period, the last two years, they have taken 664 00:38:55,040 --> 00:38:58,520 Speaker 1: a half a dozen players Matt in drafts with massive 665 00:38:58,800 --> 00:39:04,120 Speaker 1: red characters. I've been told this by other teams. This 666 00:39:04,400 --> 00:39:07,680 Speaker 1: is what would worry me is that are they comfortable 667 00:39:07,800 --> 00:39:10,719 Speaker 1: with a level of dysfunction because they're living through it 668 00:39:10,840 --> 00:39:14,719 Speaker 1: in their own business. I'm serious that I know, like, 669 00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:19,600 Speaker 1: I know three or four front offices really really well 670 00:39:19,640 --> 00:39:21,960 Speaker 1: in the NFL, and then I have six or seven others. 671 00:39:22,120 --> 00:39:24,560 Speaker 1: I'm reasonably close to that. I talked to the GM 672 00:39:26,000 --> 00:39:30,200 Speaker 1: or at the scouting director, and the overriding theme on 673 00:39:30,280 --> 00:39:33,719 Speaker 1: the Cowboys last two to three drafts is, man, they're 674 00:39:33,800 --> 00:39:38,160 Speaker 1: taking some guys with character stuff. And then I look 675 00:39:38,160 --> 00:39:41,560 Speaker 1: at the organization and the family and I'm like, yeah, 676 00:39:41,640 --> 00:39:44,920 Speaker 1: there's a lot of drama all around it. And I 677 00:39:45,040 --> 00:39:48,200 Speaker 1: think to myself, are they getting a little too comfortable 678 00:39:48,280 --> 00:39:50,360 Speaker 1: with it? Is that a fair criticism? Or have they 679 00:39:50,440 --> 00:39:53,799 Speaker 1: been doing that for twenty years since you covered them? Yeah, 680 00:39:53,840 --> 00:39:57,160 Speaker 1: they've been doing it for twenty years, and I don't 681 00:39:57,200 --> 00:40:01,560 Speaker 1: think it's changed. I think Jerry's always love the thought 682 00:40:02,960 --> 00:40:06,680 Speaker 1: of He felt like people took a chance on him 683 00:40:07,120 --> 00:40:10,120 Speaker 1: and he was at some tough places in life, and 684 00:40:10,239 --> 00:40:13,920 Speaker 1: he's always loved like, if you can get either an 685 00:40:13,960 --> 00:40:20,160 Speaker 1: injury risk or a character risk for tremendous value. He's 686 00:40:20,200 --> 00:40:23,440 Speaker 1: all about it. This is a weird one though, because 687 00:40:23,680 --> 00:40:26,480 Speaker 1: they have a guy that was involved in a drive 688 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:30,719 Speaker 1: by shooting death murder. That's a second round pick from 689 00:40:30,800 --> 00:40:36,239 Speaker 1: last year. And it's almost like Jerry's just defying everybody. 690 00:40:36,560 --> 00:40:39,840 Speaker 1: I know, you're all looking at me. And now the 691 00:40:40,000 --> 00:40:43,799 Speaker 1: case against the old miss defensive end that they took 692 00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:48,440 Speaker 1: Sam Williams was thrown out, yes, but still red flags. 693 00:40:48,840 --> 00:40:51,919 Speaker 1: There's a reason he was there. And I don't think 694 00:40:52,880 --> 00:40:56,600 Speaker 1: like Randy Gregory may turn out to be. I mean, 695 00:40:56,800 --> 00:40:59,920 Speaker 1: he's already shown he was a first round caliber player, 696 00:41:00,239 --> 00:41:02,480 Speaker 1: but he had all these issues and they've dealt with 697 00:41:02,560 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: all that and then they end up losing him. Anyway, 698 00:41:05,680 --> 00:41:10,000 Speaker 1: Jerry can't help himself. He loves the thought and maybe 699 00:41:10,040 --> 00:41:13,080 Speaker 1: it's the old oil and gas part of him. He 700 00:41:13,360 --> 00:41:18,040 Speaker 1: loves the thought of just out foxing people. Yeah, he 701 00:41:18,760 --> 00:41:22,439 Speaker 1: And it all goes back to Charles Haley. It goes 702 00:41:22,520 --> 00:41:27,359 Speaker 1: back to taking a huge locker room issue from San 703 00:41:27,440 --> 00:41:30,560 Speaker 1: Francisco and that helped him win you know, a couple 704 00:41:30,680 --> 00:41:35,360 Speaker 1: more super Bowls, or maybe three of them. But he 705 00:41:35,560 --> 00:41:39,560 Speaker 1: took someone else's problem and that guy was tremendous for 706 00:41:39,600 --> 00:41:43,640 Speaker 1: the Cowboys, and as an oil person, you know, an 707 00:41:43,719 --> 00:41:47,280 Speaker 1: oil and gas guy, like he just doesn't remember the failures. 708 00:41:47,960 --> 00:41:52,840 Speaker 1: He only remembers like the successes, and so that's a 709 00:41:53,120 --> 00:41:55,520 Speaker 1: that's I think that's what he always comes back to. Now, 710 00:41:55,600 --> 00:41:59,759 Speaker 1: the family stuff that you're bringing up is interesting. They're 711 00:42:00,000 --> 00:42:02,879 Speaker 1: they've never really shied away from family drama. The only 712 00:42:02,960 --> 00:42:05,879 Speaker 1: thing different here is this has just gotten a lot 713 00:42:05,960 --> 00:42:11,120 Speaker 1: more public and so I don't know, I think it 714 00:42:11,200 --> 00:42:13,960 Speaker 1: could be a positive that they have more kids in 715 00:42:14,000 --> 00:42:16,239 Speaker 1: the room now to make make picks and help them. 716 00:42:20,120 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 1: At The Volume Sports Twitter, Instagram, go to our YouTube 717 00:42:23,080 --> 00:42:47,560 Speaker 1: page at the Volume Sports. Subscribe the Volume. Make sure 718 00:42:47,600 --> 00:42:50,839 Speaker 1: to check out The dram On Green Show. I brought 719 00:42:50,960 --> 00:42:53,080 Speaker 1: Draymond Green into The Volume because one of the more 720 00:42:53,239 --> 00:42:57,440 Speaker 1: entertaining voices in sports. 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