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Speaker 2: Welcome to She Pivots, the podcast where we talk with

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Speaker 2: these decisions. I'm your host, Emily Tish Sussman. Today's a

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Speaker 2: This has been such an incredible season. From launching season

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Speaker 2: I couldn't be happier to end this season with Shay,

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Speaker 2: who pivoted from a career in acting to founding and

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Speaker 2: running the incredibly successful Travel Essentials brand base, all while

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Speaker 2: Shay got her start in the industry by starring in

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Speaker 2: the iconic show Pretty Little Liars. If you're not familiar,

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Speaker 1: My name is Shane Mitchell, and I do all the things. Entrepreneur, actress, mother,

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Speaker 1: that I have kids, I don't want them to see

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00:19:39,480 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: me on my phone constantly. And I also don't want

435
00:19:42,240 --> 00:19:44,359
Speaker 1: to be on my phone when I have real life

436
00:19:44,400 --> 00:19:47,119
Speaker 1: content in front of me. So it's more so the

437
00:19:47,200 --> 00:19:49,600
Speaker 1: latter that I'm like, I'm less on my phone. I'm

438
00:19:49,680 --> 00:19:52,639
Speaker 1: less on social media at certain times now, Like I

439
00:19:52,680 --> 00:19:54,800
Speaker 1: stay up super late because after I put them to bed,

440
00:19:54,880 --> 00:19:56,960
Speaker 1: that's when I go on. I'm like, h me in

441
00:19:57,000 --> 00:19:58,920
Speaker 1: my bed, you know, just with this like little blue

442
00:19:59,000 --> 00:20:00,960
Speaker 1: light probably not good, I should have the lights on.

443
00:20:01,000 --> 00:20:04,040
Speaker 1: But AnyWho, I just feel like things have changed my

444
00:20:04,119 --> 00:20:06,760
Speaker 1: priorities have changed, and I feel very fortunate to also

445
00:20:06,800 --> 00:20:08,520
Speaker 1: be able to have that time with them during the

446
00:20:08,600 --> 00:20:11,800
Speaker 1: day where I can put things down. So it's fun

447
00:20:11,960 --> 00:20:15,119
Speaker 1: dance that everybody does eventually.

448
00:20:15,160 --> 00:20:18,159
Speaker 2: In twenty seventeen, Pretty Little Liars came to an end

449
00:20:18,240 --> 00:20:21,320
Speaker 2: after seven seasons, as Shaye let go of that part

450
00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:24,440
Speaker 2: of her life. She was on full throttle in the background.

451
00:20:25,000 --> 00:20:28,800
Speaker 2: By twenty eighteen, she was poised to launch Base, starred

452
00:20:28,800 --> 00:20:31,760
Speaker 2: in the hit new Netflix show You, and was trying

453
00:20:31,800 --> 00:20:35,960
Speaker 2: to start a family. So I do want to back

454
00:20:36,040 --> 00:20:38,040
Speaker 2: up a little bit, because you did have pretty a

455
00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:42,320
Speaker 2: big year, like a pivotal moment year in twenty eighteen.

456
00:20:42,400 --> 00:20:44,960
Speaker 2: I mean a lot happened. Yeah, So that was the

457
00:20:45,040 --> 00:20:48,320
Speaker 2: year that you were building and launched Base. You appeared

458
00:20:48,400 --> 00:20:48,639
Speaker 2: in You.

459
00:20:48,920 --> 00:20:51,040
Speaker 1: I have a memory of a snail, So I'm like, okay,

460
00:20:51,280 --> 00:20:53,440
Speaker 1: twenty I'm like trying to remember.

461
00:20:53,480 --> 00:20:53,880
Speaker 3: I'm like.

462
00:20:55,359 --> 00:20:56,920
Speaker 1: And I'm like, was that when Atlas was born or

463
00:20:57,000 --> 00:20:59,800
Speaker 1: was that out there? Yes? I did launch, Yes, Okay, sorry,

464
00:21:00,040 --> 00:21:00,800
Speaker 1: you were in You.

465
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:01,639
Speaker 3: You've heard in You?

466
00:21:01,840 --> 00:21:02,600
Speaker 1: Yes, yes?

467
00:21:03,040 --> 00:21:05,359
Speaker 2: And also the miscarriage A lot in a year, I

468
00:21:05,400 --> 00:21:08,280
Speaker 2: mean that that is a lot, Yeah, I mean it's

469
00:21:08,280 --> 00:21:10,800
Speaker 2: a lot for anybody, Like for me, I feel like

470
00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:13,399
Speaker 2: sometimes when things are a lot, I have to like

471
00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:16,560
Speaker 2: double down on work just to like keep myself moving.

472
00:21:16,760 --> 00:21:19,280
Speaker 2: I mean, is that how you made it through? Or like,

473
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Speaker 2: how did you make through all of that?

474
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Speaker 1: I mean, honestly, I when I talk about myself and

475
00:21:24,119 --> 00:21:26,600
Speaker 1: my life and respective is, I always have such a

476
00:21:26,800 --> 00:21:30,000
Speaker 1: like wave of gratefulness because it just keeps bringing me

477
00:21:30,040 --> 00:21:32,600
Speaker 1: back to the point where I have such a solid

478
00:21:32,640 --> 00:21:35,199
Speaker 1: group of people around me. I really do. And I

479
00:21:35,280 --> 00:21:37,720
Speaker 1: know that's not the case for everybody, but I have

480
00:21:37,760 --> 00:21:40,560
Speaker 1: to call it out. And I think along with yes,

481
00:21:40,720 --> 00:21:44,200
Speaker 1: throwing myself into work and keeping myself busy, I also

482
00:21:44,440 --> 00:21:47,679
Speaker 1: have incredible friends that I can you know, count on

483
00:21:47,680 --> 00:21:49,320
Speaker 1: to kind of be there and be like okay, cool.

484
00:21:49,359 --> 00:21:51,320
Speaker 1: But like I said, reminding me that there's a light

485
00:21:51,359 --> 00:21:52,720
Speaker 1: at the end of the tunnel and I and that's

486
00:21:52,760 --> 00:21:55,120
Speaker 1: sort of my phrase, so I'd probably say that a lot.

487
00:21:55,440 --> 00:21:57,359
Speaker 1: But I always think that, like if I am in

488
00:21:57,400 --> 00:21:59,760
Speaker 1: a dark place or i'm you know, things aren't amazing,

489
00:21:59,760 --> 00:22:01,760
Speaker 1: I'm like, okay, cool, you can't see it because there's

490
00:22:01,800 --> 00:22:03,879
Speaker 1: a curver corner, but like, there is a light at

491
00:22:03,880 --> 00:22:05,840
Speaker 1: the end of the tunnel. And like in a few

492
00:22:06,280 --> 00:22:08,239
Speaker 1: however much time is going to go about, you'll look

493
00:22:08,280 --> 00:22:10,920
Speaker 1: back and be like, oh wow, you know, and as

494
00:22:10,960 --> 00:22:13,080
Speaker 1: hard as it is, I have to believe that things

495
00:22:13,160 --> 00:22:16,480
Speaker 1: happen for reasons that we may not understand at that moment.

496
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Speaker 1: And I know for some people that also isn't something

497
00:22:18,880 --> 00:22:21,520
Speaker 1: they like to hear. For me, it does help, and

498
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Speaker 1: I think with that, yes, I was sown into work

499
00:22:23,800 --> 00:22:25,600
Speaker 1: and it was weird because that year and I do

500
00:22:25,680 --> 00:22:27,679
Speaker 1: remember it now because I actually did a whole like

501
00:22:28,119 --> 00:22:31,359
Speaker 1: highlight reel love it because there was so much stuff

502
00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,080
Speaker 1: that happened in that year. It was the most exciting

503
00:22:34,160 --> 00:22:36,800
Speaker 1: year and it was also heartbreaking. And then with that,

504
00:22:36,960 --> 00:22:39,879
Speaker 1: you know, it did bring me closer to the people

505
00:22:39,920 --> 00:22:42,600
Speaker 1: that I am close with because I had to fall

506
00:22:42,640 --> 00:22:44,320
Speaker 1: back on them a lot harder and I saw how

507
00:22:44,359 --> 00:22:46,199
Speaker 1: much they were able to carry me from that and

508
00:22:46,240 --> 00:22:48,159
Speaker 1: be able to help me go through that. So I

509
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Speaker 1: don't know, it's weird. It's like every year, I feel

510
00:22:51,240 --> 00:22:53,119
Speaker 1: like it's a dance. You're like close to people, then

511
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Speaker 1: you're not, and you're great at things and you're not.

512
00:22:55,440 --> 00:22:58,719
Speaker 1: But then I also think, like that is life that

513
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Speaker 1: I also wouldn't choose to have a life that was

514
00:23:01,720 --> 00:23:04,440
Speaker 1: like good, good good, good, good good good, but never

515
00:23:04,560 --> 00:23:07,800
Speaker 1: great or bad. Like I'll take the option where it's

516
00:23:08,560 --> 00:23:11,800
Speaker 1: higher highs and some lows and you know, a mix,

517
00:23:11,960 --> 00:23:14,800
Speaker 1: like I want the sort of up and down more

518
00:23:14,840 --> 00:23:16,840
Speaker 1: so than I would want just a straight line.

519
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Speaker 3: I definitely identify with that.

520
00:23:18,680 --> 00:23:21,480
Speaker 2: I feel like like, now I can, you know, acknowledge

521
00:23:21,480 --> 00:23:23,760
Speaker 2: for myself that, like, I'm a high intensity person and

522
00:23:23,800 --> 00:23:27,040
Speaker 2: sometimes that means low sign Taurus.

523
00:23:27,480 --> 00:23:28,399
Speaker 3: Okay, what's yours?

524
00:23:28,640 --> 00:23:29,040
Speaker 1: Aries?

525
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Speaker 3: I don't know. I don't know enough to know what

526
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Speaker 3: that means.

527
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Speaker 1: I'm like this fire just basically all you need to

528
00:23:33,320 --> 00:23:35,000
Speaker 1: know of aries is just like fire.

529
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Speaker 2: But I mean I think I used to be sort

530
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Speaker 2: of envious of people who seem to not have these extremes,

531
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Speaker 2: and now I can realize that actually I'm good with it,

532
00:23:45,280 --> 00:23:46,280
Speaker 2: Like this is just who I am.

533
00:23:46,880 --> 00:23:48,560
Speaker 1: Yeah, it's your journey, you.

534
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Speaker 3: Know, in this mom identity.

535
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Speaker 2: I want to talk about this because this really struck

536
00:23:51,960 --> 00:23:53,960
Speaker 2: me that you did this campaign, the share of the

537
00:23:54,000 --> 00:23:58,960
Speaker 2: love campaign. Becoming a mom for me was perspective altering

538
00:23:59,440 --> 00:24:04,280
Speaker 2: and very hard, very hard, Like I could not imagine

539
00:24:04,280 --> 00:24:06,360
Speaker 2: the position that you were in to be in public

540
00:24:06,640 --> 00:24:09,040
Speaker 2: and have gotten criticism about it, like I was criticizing

541
00:24:09,080 --> 00:24:12,520
Speaker 2: myself and it was impossible. So how did you come

542
00:24:12,560 --> 00:24:15,600
Speaker 2: to the place to be able to say, Okay, screw

543
00:24:15,600 --> 00:24:18,680
Speaker 2: all the noise, let's just celebrate moms for who they are.

544
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Speaker 1: I had I think again the experience that I had

545
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Speaker 1: about muting the negative comments when I would get them

546
00:24:26,480 --> 00:24:29,879
Speaker 1: from all my years before having kids, that I feel

547
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Speaker 1: like I had my armor, like I was good. Honestly,

548
00:24:33,920 --> 00:24:35,920
Speaker 1: I do have to say there's a lot of things

549
00:24:35,960 --> 00:24:37,919
Speaker 1: I'm not good at. When I'm good at is tuning

550
00:24:37,960 --> 00:24:40,199
Speaker 1: people out when they talk about parenting with me. I

551
00:24:40,240 --> 00:24:42,640
Speaker 1: don't care. I know I'm a good mom. You can't

552
00:24:42,680 --> 00:24:45,160
Speaker 1: tell me otherwise. And I think we all deep down

553
00:24:45,200 --> 00:24:47,800
Speaker 1: know that we are. And I feel like you know, yes,

554
00:24:47,880 --> 00:24:50,240
Speaker 1: are you? Are you making the perfect lunches for them

555
00:24:50,240 --> 00:24:52,399
Speaker 1: and you're using the star cutout in their sandwich and

556
00:24:52,680 --> 00:24:55,680
Speaker 1: you're writing them notes on this. No, I'm definitely not that.

557
00:24:56,520 --> 00:24:58,280
Speaker 1: But the amount of love that I have for them,

558
00:24:58,320 --> 00:25:00,960
Speaker 1: that they see and feel each every day, I feel

559
00:25:01,000 --> 00:25:03,280
Speaker 1: good with that. And I feel like, you know, we

560
00:25:03,320 --> 00:25:05,640
Speaker 1: are looking at social media these days and we are

561
00:25:05,720 --> 00:25:09,440
Speaker 1: comparing ourselves or comparing our vacations, our lives, our relationships, everything.

562
00:25:10,119 --> 00:25:12,000
Speaker 1: But where I do feel like we have to be

563
00:25:12,600 --> 00:25:15,639
Speaker 1: kinder is when we are looking at other moms and

564
00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,680
Speaker 1: other parents in general, because there is no other job

565
00:25:18,800 --> 00:25:20,360
Speaker 1: like it. And I said this even when I got

566
00:25:20,400 --> 00:25:23,280
Speaker 1: back from a trip recently. I was flying back with

567
00:25:23,359 --> 00:25:25,280
Speaker 1: both my girls and my nanny and we were both

568
00:25:25,320 --> 00:25:28,520
Speaker 1: still like and like, she's more helpful than my partners.

569
00:25:28,520 --> 00:25:31,719
Speaker 1: So I can only imagine like a single like parent

570
00:25:31,920 --> 00:25:33,680
Speaker 1: with kids, And when I look at them and they're

571
00:25:33,680 --> 00:25:36,560
Speaker 1: traveling with two kids, I'm like, how one whatever. I'm

572
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:39,560
Speaker 1: just like I used to think wearing that mom necklace

573
00:25:39,680 --> 00:25:41,560
Speaker 1: was cheesy. I'm going to be honest with you. I

574
00:25:41,600 --> 00:25:43,280
Speaker 1: was like, I'm not going to be that person that

575
00:25:43,359 --> 00:25:46,719
Speaker 1: wears a mom necklace like new, let me tell you,

576
00:25:47,320 --> 00:25:51,320
Speaker 1: after going through one kid and then another one and

577
00:25:51,359 --> 00:25:53,720
Speaker 1: like being able to call myself a mom, you know,

578
00:25:53,840 --> 00:25:57,920
Speaker 1: and like that to me is now like a warrior badge,

579
00:25:57,960 --> 00:26:00,120
Speaker 1: Like that is a badge of honor that I'm like,

580
00:26:00,160 --> 00:26:02,359
Speaker 1: oh no, I want everybody to know because that's a

581
00:26:02,400 --> 00:26:05,720
Speaker 1: whole other talent and skill and just like I don't

582
00:26:05,760 --> 00:26:08,120
Speaker 1: know and parent to be honest, because there are single

583
00:26:08,160 --> 00:26:11,120
Speaker 1: dads that I just mean like that to me now

584
00:26:11,240 --> 00:26:14,600
Speaker 1: is truly my badge of honor, and it's it's the

585
00:26:14,720 --> 00:26:17,560
Speaker 1: hardest thing that I have done and will ever do,

586
00:26:18,280 --> 00:26:20,840
Speaker 1: and I feel like the respect on it has completely

587
00:26:20,920 --> 00:26:23,560
Speaker 1: changed from what I thought before now. At the same time,

588
00:26:23,680 --> 00:26:26,439
Speaker 1: when I was pregnant with Atlas and going through it

589
00:26:26,480 --> 00:26:28,919
Speaker 1: my first time, there was a moment when I was

590
00:26:28,960 --> 00:26:31,800
Speaker 1: like eight or nine months and I was like, oh

591
00:26:31,840 --> 00:26:33,480
Speaker 1: my god, she's going to be here in a month,

592
00:26:33,600 --> 00:26:36,160
Speaker 1: Like then, I'm a mom. Like then, I'm a real mom,

593
00:26:36,200 --> 00:26:38,080
Speaker 1: Like I'm pregnant right now, I'm like, not not a

594
00:26:38,119 --> 00:26:41,240
Speaker 1: mom yet, but like then, I'm a mom. I'm a mom.

595
00:26:42,240 --> 00:26:45,280
Speaker 1: I'm a mom. And I was bawling my eyes out.

596
00:26:45,320 --> 00:26:48,720
Speaker 1: I had this incredible Dula again, I feel very grateful

597
00:26:48,760 --> 00:26:50,800
Speaker 1: that I've been able to have amazing support, and she

598
00:26:50,880 --> 00:26:54,359
Speaker 1: was like, yes, this version of Shay is going to

599
00:26:54,400 --> 00:26:56,959
Speaker 1: have to be put down because it is this chapter

600
00:26:57,240 --> 00:27:01,240
Speaker 1: of this. Shay is not a existent after this because

601
00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,080
Speaker 1: you move into another chapter and now you are a

602
00:27:04,119 --> 00:27:06,520
Speaker 1: mom and things and responsibilities and the way you look

603
00:27:06,520 --> 00:27:09,240
Speaker 1: at things are going to change. And that's life, you know,

604
00:27:09,400 --> 00:27:10,960
Speaker 1: even when when you're single to then when you're in

605
00:27:11,000 --> 00:27:14,080
Speaker 1: a relationship, like we moved through different versions of ourselves,

606
00:27:14,480 --> 00:27:16,560
Speaker 1: and I think I just had to be okay with

607
00:27:17,320 --> 00:27:20,199
Speaker 1: mourning the loss of like single wowch it like what

608
00:27:20,320 --> 00:27:23,040
Speaker 1: I thought was going to be gone forever. But truly

609
00:27:23,440 --> 00:27:26,560
Speaker 1: that person is gone. I'm not thinking about my kids.

610
00:27:26,800 --> 00:27:28,880
Speaker 1: Back in the day, I didn't wake up thinking are

611
00:27:28,880 --> 00:27:30,639
Speaker 1: they okay? Are they fed? Like I always have that

612
00:27:30,680 --> 00:27:32,240
Speaker 1: on my mind. Now I didn't have that back in

613
00:27:32,280 --> 00:27:34,480
Speaker 1: the day. We could both have turned off our phones

614
00:27:34,520 --> 00:27:37,040
Speaker 1: and just booked a trip to Fiji. We can't do

615
00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,159
Speaker 1: that now. So as much as people are like, you

616
00:27:39,160 --> 00:27:42,520
Speaker 1: can still be that same person. Absolutely, I could still

617
00:27:42,600 --> 00:27:45,359
Speaker 1: have fun nights and do this and that, But that

618
00:27:45,520 --> 00:27:48,480
Speaker 1: Shay is not here anymore, you know, and that's okay.

619
00:27:48,880 --> 00:27:51,480
Speaker 1: So I think it's just learning that. And that was

620
00:27:51,520 --> 00:27:54,159
Speaker 1: probably one of the hardest things. And that's why I

621
00:27:54,200 --> 00:27:57,000
Speaker 1: talked so much about prepartum, because I feel like post

622
00:27:57,080 --> 00:28:01,080
Speaker 1: is definitely difficult too. But I really did strugal more

623
00:28:01,119 --> 00:28:04,679
Speaker 1: so for me with the prepartum, and also because I

624
00:28:04,680 --> 00:28:06,679
Speaker 1: hadn't heard people talk about it as much, so I

625
00:28:06,720 --> 00:28:08,639
Speaker 1: was like, what the fuck is this? This isn't what

626
00:28:08,680 --> 00:28:10,439
Speaker 1: I read about. I was prepared and ready to go

627
00:28:10,480 --> 00:28:13,199
Speaker 1: into battle with postpartum, but like, what's this? So it

628
00:28:13,280 --> 00:28:13,879
Speaker 1: was interesting.

629
00:28:14,400 --> 00:28:17,520
Speaker 2: Honestly, I had never heard anybody talk about prepartum, and

630
00:28:17,600 --> 00:28:20,359
Speaker 2: I think I had it in the same way. I

631
00:28:20,480 --> 00:28:23,240
Speaker 2: was so depressed about the loss of I was like,

632
00:28:23,320 --> 00:28:25,480
Speaker 2: I actually was not looking to change my life, Like

633
00:28:25,520 --> 00:28:29,840
Speaker 2: my life is pretty good, absolutely a childless workahol like me.

634
00:28:30,119 --> 00:28:31,240
Speaker 3: I was not looking to change it.

635
00:28:31,280 --> 00:28:33,920
Speaker 2: And I was so sick during my pregnancies that it

636
00:28:34,040 --> 00:28:34,879
Speaker 2: changed immediately.

637
00:28:35,160 --> 00:28:38,400
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, and I was so frustrated.

638
00:28:38,440 --> 00:28:42,000
Speaker 2: But I think I wonder now in retrospect if I

639
00:28:42,080 --> 00:28:46,200
Speaker 2: actually had postnat like postpartum depression or if it was

640
00:28:46,240 --> 00:28:48,320
Speaker 2: just legitimately depressing.

641
00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,440
Speaker 1: Right, And I think it could have been either of

642
00:28:50,480 --> 00:28:54,000
Speaker 1: those things. But because I think we more fixate on,

643
00:28:54,480 --> 00:28:57,400
Speaker 1: you know, and I like the flower crowns, which are beautiful,

644
00:28:57,440 --> 00:28:59,800
Speaker 1: and all the like happy moments and like the gender

645
00:28:59,840 --> 00:29:02,280
Speaker 1: of and all of that, Like, I think those are

646
00:29:02,320 --> 00:29:05,240
Speaker 1: all great things. I definitely did them in different variations.

647
00:29:05,320 --> 00:29:08,480
Speaker 1: But I feel like I'm such an advocate now for

648
00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:12,680
Speaker 1: there to be those baby showers and all the celebrations

649
00:29:12,760 --> 00:29:15,560
Speaker 1: like after you have the baby too, like when you're

650
00:29:15,600 --> 00:29:18,440
Speaker 1: in the first month, Like I want people to bring

651
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:21,200
Speaker 1: me flower crowns after, you know, having a baby, And

652
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:23,880
Speaker 1: I wanted, now, knowing what I know, bring other women

653
00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:26,560
Speaker 1: who are in bed, not feeling their best, with a

654
00:29:26,600 --> 00:29:29,600
Speaker 1: stained tank top or whatever, just trying to figure out

655
00:29:29,640 --> 00:29:32,320
Speaker 1: how much to feed their bab whatever. I want to

656
00:29:32,320 --> 00:29:34,360
Speaker 1: then bring them flower crowns then. And I feel like

657
00:29:34,400 --> 00:29:36,480
Speaker 1: that's when we really need the support and that should

658
00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:39,160
Speaker 1: be more talked about because that can also be extremely

659
00:29:39,200 --> 00:29:43,440
Speaker 1: lonely and it's a lot like motherhood is one thing

660
00:29:43,480 --> 00:29:47,120
Speaker 1: on its own, pregnancy is a whole other ballgame. And

661
00:29:47,200 --> 00:29:50,200
Speaker 1: I have like in depth conversations with friends and friends

662
00:29:50,200 --> 00:29:52,680
Speaker 1: of mine who aren't pregnant yet and are talking about it,

663
00:29:52,720 --> 00:29:56,320
Speaker 1: and I'm like, really real with it. Mine wasn't the

664
00:29:56,440 --> 00:29:59,959
Speaker 1: flower crowns and rainbows. Yeah I didn't enjoy it.

665
00:30:00,640 --> 00:30:03,400
Speaker 2: No, I did not. And I feel like my mission

666
00:30:03,480 --> 00:30:07,160
Speaker 2: now is to tell everybody who's just had a baby

667
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:09,400
Speaker 2: that they don't have to breastfeed. I'm like, if you're

668
00:30:09,440 --> 00:30:11,720
Speaker 2: waiting for someone to give you a permission, but I

669
00:30:11,760 --> 00:30:13,600
Speaker 2: will at text. I mean, like mom's from my school,

670
00:30:13,640 --> 00:30:16,000
Speaker 2: I barely know. Yeah, Like like I feel like this

671
00:30:16,200 --> 00:30:19,280
Speaker 2: is the way that I am adding now that I'm like,

672
00:30:19,520 --> 00:30:22,520
Speaker 2: if you're waiting for someone to give you permission, let

673
00:30:22,560 --> 00:30:24,040
Speaker 2: me be the one to give you permission.

674
00:30:24,240 --> 00:30:26,400
Speaker 1: And that's the same thing that I feel about you know,

675
00:30:26,480 --> 00:30:29,320
Speaker 1: and again, people have their own opinion. But even when

676
00:30:29,320 --> 00:30:32,120
Speaker 1: it goes from like natural births or epidul all of that,

677
00:30:32,240 --> 00:30:34,600
Speaker 1: I'm like, we don't walk around and you're not like, oh,

678
00:30:34,640 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: I see it, you are breastfed. Oh formula, Hey epidural,

679
00:30:38,640 --> 00:30:41,320
Speaker 1: your mom did up? You don't know that. You can't

680
00:30:41,360 --> 00:30:44,680
Speaker 1: tell like there's no trophy at the end, Like, do

681
00:30:44,960 --> 00:30:47,520
Speaker 1: what feels right to you. We're already going through so

682
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:52,120
Speaker 1: much with our bodies, our minds, everything, relationships around us.

683
00:30:52,240 --> 00:30:55,840
Speaker 1: Everything is different, and you have to be kind on yourself.

684
00:30:55,880 --> 00:30:59,520
Speaker 1: You can't breastfeed. Fuck it, who cares? Like it's not

685
00:30:59,640 --> 00:31:01,840
Speaker 1: about trying to be the perfect mom. You need to

686
00:31:01,840 --> 00:31:04,280
Speaker 1: do what's right for you because your hormones and your

687
00:31:04,400 --> 00:31:07,120
Speaker 1: energy and all of that is way more important. I

688
00:31:07,240 --> 00:31:08,480
Speaker 1: genuinely feel.

689
00:31:08,760 --> 00:31:13,880
Speaker 3: Yes, like you being okay is way more important. Yeah.

690
00:31:14,160 --> 00:31:16,880
Speaker 2: I was always pro epidural going into it, but my

691
00:31:17,000 --> 00:31:19,880
Speaker 2: third like flew out, and so wasn't a chance for

692
00:31:19,920 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 2: me to have an epidural and I was like, oh,

693
00:31:21,600 --> 00:31:22,680
Speaker 2: this is not when I signed.

694
00:31:22,680 --> 00:31:25,000
Speaker 3: This is not it. No, this is not it.

695
00:31:25,440 --> 00:31:27,440
Speaker 1: Oh my gosh. I was like oh.

696
00:31:27,560 --> 00:31:30,640
Speaker 2: I literally just kept like yelling at ever run in

697
00:31:30,640 --> 00:31:33,520
Speaker 2: the hospital room. I was like, there's no epidural and

698
00:31:33,560 --> 00:31:35,320
Speaker 2: they were like, but there's a baby coming.

699
00:31:35,400 --> 00:31:37,360
Speaker 3: So I was like, you know, let me tell you.

700
00:31:37,560 --> 00:31:38,960
Speaker 3: I didn't choose it wouldn't again.

701
00:31:40,280 --> 00:31:42,920
Speaker 2: Yeah, we can make a really natural transition from that

702
00:31:43,160 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 2: to luggage.

703
00:31:44,560 --> 00:31:51,440
Speaker 1: Yes, of course. I mean truthfully though, Base was truly

704
00:31:51,480 --> 00:31:55,239
Speaker 1: what I feel like my first baby, Like, yeah, so

705
00:31:55,360 --> 00:31:58,800
Speaker 1: that the transition. Yes, baby there we found. Yeah, baby

706
00:31:58,800 --> 00:32:01,120
Speaker 1: to baby. Yep, baby, baby, we found it.

707
00:32:01,480 --> 00:32:04,360
Speaker 2: From one baby to another. Shay felt ready to take

708
00:32:04,400 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: on a new adventure with Bass, despite it being so

709
00:32:07,680 --> 00:32:09,440
Speaker 2: far from her previous career in acting.

710
00:32:09,880 --> 00:32:12,280
Speaker 3: She said it felt natural for me.

711
00:32:12,840 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: It was just the most natural progression into it. It's

712
00:32:15,800 --> 00:32:18,000
Speaker 1: like I knew exactly what I wanted to do. I

713
00:32:18,040 --> 00:32:20,400
Speaker 1: remember at that time, my agents and team were kind

714
00:32:20,400 --> 00:32:23,280
Speaker 1: of like, Okay, beauty gonna be a big wave beauty, skincare,

715
00:32:23,320 --> 00:32:24,760
Speaker 1: what do you love? You know you work with clam

716
00:32:24,840 --> 00:32:26,600
Speaker 1: you love hair and makeup? And I'm like, yeah, but

717
00:32:26,640 --> 00:32:28,280
Speaker 1: I don't have an interest in it, you know, like

718
00:32:28,480 --> 00:32:30,840
Speaker 1: I don't. I leave that to the experts and the

719
00:32:30,840 --> 00:32:32,840
Speaker 1: people that are I have to do what I feel

720
00:32:32,840 --> 00:32:35,800
Speaker 1: passionate about. And what I felt passionate about were bags.

721
00:32:36,040 --> 00:32:39,400
Speaker 1: Like since I was a little girl, I'd go into

722
00:32:39,440 --> 00:32:41,640
Speaker 1: Target when we'd be visiting the States because we didn't

723
00:32:41,640 --> 00:32:43,880
Speaker 1: have it in Canada at the time. Go to Seattle,

724
00:32:43,920 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: go into Target, go straight to the toiletry bags. Why

725
00:32:46,960 --> 00:32:48,840
Speaker 1: I don't know. I didn't care what was even in them.

726
00:32:48,880 --> 00:32:52,440
Speaker 1: I just loved bags for some reason. Kaboodles. I had

727
00:32:52,520 --> 00:32:54,200
Speaker 1: so many of them, I didn't have makeup even to

728
00:32:54,200 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: put in them. But I loved it. And so when

729
00:32:57,640 --> 00:32:59,720
Speaker 1: the time came when you know, i'd wrapped up the

730
00:32:59,720 --> 00:33:01,840
Speaker 1: show and I was like, okay, I've had this like

731
00:33:02,280 --> 00:33:04,720
Speaker 1: entrepreneurial bug that's been itching inside me, and I feel

732
00:33:04,720 --> 00:33:06,920
Speaker 1: like now is the right time. I was on a

733
00:33:06,960 --> 00:33:10,160
Speaker 1: plane and I was kind of drawing up this idea

734
00:33:10,160 --> 00:33:12,760
Speaker 1: of this bag that I envisioned, and like why I

735
00:33:12,800 --> 00:33:14,920
Speaker 1: needed these certain features and what I kind of wanted

736
00:33:14,920 --> 00:33:16,960
Speaker 1: it to look like. And I would be always looking

737
00:33:16,960 --> 00:33:19,840
Speaker 1: at people's luggage and bags in the airports and wherever

738
00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:22,600
Speaker 1: I was and I drew this what was It's an

739
00:33:22,600 --> 00:33:24,560
Speaker 1: now our weekend, our bag on a napkin, and I

740
00:33:24,640 --> 00:33:27,720
Speaker 1: was like, bags, it's travel. I love travel, but I

741
00:33:27,760 --> 00:33:31,320
Speaker 1: love feeling comfortable when I'm traveling, and I love being

742
00:33:31,320 --> 00:33:34,600
Speaker 1: able to have all my most beloved things in bags

743
00:33:34,720 --> 00:33:36,560
Speaker 1: that I can bring with me so I'm comfortable in

744
00:33:36,600 --> 00:33:39,320
Speaker 1: the unknown. It was just like a whole thing. And

745
00:33:39,360 --> 00:33:41,560
Speaker 1: that's kind of when I started talking about and I'm like,

746
00:33:41,600 --> 00:33:44,120
Speaker 1: oh no, this feels right. I can have ten hour

747
00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,880
Speaker 1: meetings about I could talk about bags and luggage and

748
00:33:47,200 --> 00:33:50,840
Speaker 1: all the things you need traveling all day. And base

749
00:33:50,960 --> 00:33:53,840
Speaker 1: kind of came about, and you know, base means beige,

750
00:33:53,920 --> 00:33:56,479
Speaker 1: and that was one of my travel bags that I had,

751
00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: this beige bag, and so that was sort of like

752
00:33:59,080 --> 00:34:00,200
Speaker 1: a homaged.

753
00:33:59,760 --> 00:34:03,600
Speaker 2: With As you were drawing it out on the napkin

754
00:34:03,680 --> 00:34:05,239
Speaker 2: and thinking about it, did you think it was going

755
00:34:05,320 --> 00:34:07,240
Speaker 2: to be, Okay, this is the bag I need to

756
00:34:07,240 --> 00:34:08,560
Speaker 2: bring into the world and this is going to be

757
00:34:08,600 --> 00:34:10,520
Speaker 2: one piece of it. Or were you like, Okay, we're

758
00:34:10,520 --> 00:34:12,960
Speaker 2: getting into luggage world domination and this is our first

759
00:34:13,000 --> 00:34:13,680
Speaker 2: step into it.

760
00:34:14,520 --> 00:34:17,680
Speaker 1: Probably the ladder, because I did know that I wanted

761
00:34:17,680 --> 00:34:20,000
Speaker 1: to follow it up into luggage. But I didn't want

762
00:34:20,000 --> 00:34:22,360
Speaker 1: to launch with luggage because I wasn't just trying to

763
00:34:22,360 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: create a travel brand. Truly. I consider Base to be

764
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:26,560
Speaker 1: on the go. I have bags if you wanted to

765
00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:28,480
Speaker 1: go to the grocery store, I have a gym bag.

766
00:34:28,640 --> 00:34:29,799
Speaker 1: You want to go on a hike, I have a

767
00:34:29,840 --> 00:34:32,279
Speaker 1: fanny pack that holds a water bottle. Like, we're not

768
00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:33,520
Speaker 1: a try. I don't need you to be able to

769
00:34:34,440 --> 00:34:36,280
Speaker 1: purchase our bag only if you have a plane ticket.

770
00:34:36,320 --> 00:34:37,960
Speaker 1: You know what I'm saying. So for me, it was

771
00:34:38,040 --> 00:34:40,760
Speaker 1: always I want to create an on the go brand,

772
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:43,400
Speaker 1: and that's why for me, launching with a weekend or

773
00:34:43,400 --> 00:34:45,440
Speaker 1: bag that could be taken anywhere was sort of the

774
00:34:45,520 --> 00:34:47,279
Speaker 1: first initial step into it.

775
00:34:47,880 --> 00:34:50,120
Speaker 3: So I want to get into your business brain here.

776
00:34:50,600 --> 00:34:53,239
Speaker 2: How did you think about scaling and how did you

777
00:34:53,320 --> 00:34:54,960
Speaker 2: think about building your team around you?

778
00:34:56,000 --> 00:34:58,040
Speaker 1: My team was an interesting one and I'd always kind

779
00:34:58,040 --> 00:34:59,640
Speaker 1: of gone into it. Listen, I didn't go to school,

780
00:34:59,680 --> 00:35:01,920
Speaker 1: and I have to always start with that because I

781
00:35:01,920 --> 00:35:04,520
Speaker 1: think a lot of people think, you know, it is scary.

782
00:35:04,920 --> 00:35:07,600
Speaker 1: You say the word entrepreneur, you say starting a company,

783
00:35:07,640 --> 00:35:09,160
Speaker 1: and people are like, how do you do that? I

784
00:35:09,200 --> 00:35:12,200
Speaker 1: don't even know to this day. I had an incredible

785
00:35:12,239 --> 00:35:15,480
Speaker 1: team around me, and I always brought people on that

786
00:35:15,520 --> 00:35:18,320
Speaker 1: were smarter than me. That's my biggest word of advice.

787
00:35:18,719 --> 00:35:22,239
Speaker 1: I don't want nor need to have to micro manage anybody.

788
00:35:22,760 --> 00:35:25,120
Speaker 1: And when you have a solid team that you trust

789
00:35:25,160 --> 00:35:28,200
Speaker 1: and have the same passion as you do, you can

790
00:35:28,239 --> 00:35:31,520
Speaker 1: make anything happen. And I had such an incredible team,

791
00:35:31,520 --> 00:35:33,279
Speaker 1: and at the beginning, for the first few years, we

792
00:35:33,360 --> 00:35:36,359
Speaker 1: only had like five and six and seven people. Now

793
00:35:36,400 --> 00:35:37,920
Speaker 1: we have twenty four. At the end we're going to

794
00:35:38,000 --> 00:35:40,680
Speaker 1: have forty. Like it was a slow build, and even

795
00:35:40,760 --> 00:35:42,600
Speaker 1: when I say that out loud, I'm like, oh my god.

796
00:35:42,600 --> 00:35:44,319
Speaker 1: But being able to do what we've been able to

797
00:35:44,360 --> 00:35:47,279
Speaker 1: do with that small of a team is incredible. But

798
00:35:47,320 --> 00:35:49,960
Speaker 1: that's because we're genuinely all passionate about It's not just

799
00:35:50,040 --> 00:35:52,600
Speaker 1: me being the one that's like, I love this, this

800
00:35:52,680 --> 00:35:55,040
Speaker 1: is a shame. It's not the shame atal brand. It's

801
00:35:55,280 --> 00:35:58,759
Speaker 1: truly my team, and we all feel very strongly about

802
00:35:58,760 --> 00:36:01,239
Speaker 1: what we do and we love it, and I feel

803
00:36:01,320 --> 00:36:03,200
Speaker 1: very fortunate to have that. Well, I mean, the same

804
00:36:03,239 --> 00:36:05,839
Speaker 1: crew at the beginning is majority of those people are

805
00:36:05,920 --> 00:36:08,480
Speaker 1: still here. So I tell everybody on my team, Like

806
00:36:08,560 --> 00:36:12,719
Speaker 1: you need mental health time off, take it. That's like

807
00:36:13,160 --> 00:36:16,239
Speaker 1: set's priority. Yeah, everything else is not important. I'm not

808
00:36:16,239 --> 00:36:18,919
Speaker 1: saving lives here. I'm building like suitcases and travel gear

809
00:36:18,960 --> 00:36:21,120
Speaker 1: for people We're not. If you need that time, you

810
00:36:21,160 --> 00:36:22,520
Speaker 1: take it, and that's important.

811
00:36:22,760 --> 00:36:25,720
Speaker 2: Do you think there was a moment or a series

812
00:36:25,800 --> 00:36:28,400
Speaker 2: of moments for you that really did change your perspective

813
00:36:28,480 --> 00:36:31,319
Speaker 2: and then your path changed as a result and you've

814
00:36:31,320 --> 00:36:32,799
Speaker 2: found a different kind of success.

815
00:36:33,360 --> 00:36:36,239
Speaker 1: I mean a couple time, Like I honestly say, we

816
00:36:36,640 --> 00:36:38,160
Speaker 1: sort of started this at the beginning. I don't know

817
00:36:38,160 --> 00:36:39,840
Speaker 1: if we were recording on this moment, but I'm like,

818
00:36:39,960 --> 00:36:43,600
Speaker 1: I feel like we're constantly pivoting. And I truly mean that.

819
00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:45,640
Speaker 1: I had to pivot my morning today because you know,

820
00:36:45,680 --> 00:36:47,520
Speaker 1: Matt left earlier and I was like, wait a minute,

821
00:36:47,520 --> 00:36:50,520
Speaker 1: I have a podcast at TED, I have these people, Okay,

822
00:36:50,719 --> 00:36:52,319
Speaker 1: Like I have to pivot all the time, as we

823
00:36:52,400 --> 00:36:56,120
Speaker 1: all do, and I feel like a big moment like

824
00:36:56,160 --> 00:36:59,799
Speaker 1: that for me, I mean company wise, for base specifically,

825
00:37:00,000 --> 00:37:02,839
Speaker 1: I would say that was during COVID. It was you know,

826
00:37:03,840 --> 00:37:05,960
Speaker 1: on the go brand when a lot of people weren't

827
00:37:06,000 --> 00:37:08,359
Speaker 1: really on the go. So that was an interesting one,

828
00:37:08,360 --> 00:37:12,760
Speaker 1: and I think it really put my entire team closer together.

829
00:37:13,160 --> 00:37:15,640
Speaker 1: Not physically, but you know, we had a lot more

830
00:37:15,680 --> 00:37:18,440
Speaker 1: meanings and because we were able to be so nimble,

831
00:37:18,600 --> 00:37:20,600
Speaker 1: we were able to move into a different category that

832
00:37:20,640 --> 00:37:23,400
Speaker 1: benefited us so much. You know, Okay, we're not doing luggage.

833
00:37:23,440 --> 00:37:26,400
Speaker 1: What are we doing? Where are people going? Shorter trips,

834
00:37:26,480 --> 00:37:29,000
Speaker 1: more road trips, you know, more with just a family.

835
00:37:29,000 --> 00:37:31,160
Speaker 1: It's okay, smaller products. What would you bring on a

836
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:34,240
Speaker 1: road trip? Farmers market outside space, Let's do a farmer's

837
00:37:34,280 --> 00:37:36,880
Speaker 1: market club. You know, it forced us to have to

838
00:37:36,920 --> 00:37:41,000
Speaker 1: look in a different direction. I would say personally there

839
00:37:41,080 --> 00:37:43,239
Speaker 1: was a pivot there because I was so used to

840
00:37:43,440 --> 00:37:46,760
Speaker 1: as my partner was being on the road traveling. However,

841
00:37:46,960 --> 00:37:49,840
Speaker 1: I had Atlas who was a baby at that moment.

842
00:37:49,880 --> 00:37:51,560
Speaker 1: She was like six months old when it hit and

843
00:37:51,600 --> 00:37:55,080
Speaker 1: I'm like, uh, we're both not traveling. We have this newborn.

844
00:37:55,120 --> 00:37:57,000
Speaker 1: We were supposed to be doing music classes and all

845
00:37:57,000 --> 00:37:59,200
Speaker 1: this stuff, putting around other babies and like you were

846
00:37:59,200 --> 00:38:02,040
Speaker 1: supposed to be here. Was it forced us to have

847
00:38:02,160 --> 00:38:05,520
Speaker 1: to be together and you know, have all of this time,

848
00:38:05,600 --> 00:38:09,160
Speaker 1: which was you know, a blessing in disguise. Truthfully, we

849
00:38:09,239 --> 00:38:12,320
Speaker 1: had more time together at that time than any other time. Yeah,

850
00:38:12,320 --> 00:38:15,319
Speaker 1: so looking back on it, I do feel for those

851
00:38:15,360 --> 00:38:17,640
Speaker 1: aspects that we were very lucky to be able to

852
00:38:17,680 --> 00:38:19,880
Speaker 1: have all that time with at Liss when she was

853
00:38:19,920 --> 00:38:22,480
Speaker 1: so little, and with each other at that moment. But again,

854
00:38:22,560 --> 00:38:24,439
Speaker 1: you know, I was scared at the beginning. I'm like, oh,

855
00:38:24,440 --> 00:38:26,080
Speaker 1: she won't be able to see my parents as much.

856
00:38:26,200 --> 00:38:28,239
Speaker 1: What is this thing? And yeah, I would say that

857
00:38:28,280 --> 00:38:30,440
Speaker 1: COVID was kind of that moment on so many different

858
00:38:30,560 --> 00:38:33,440
Speaker 1: levels where I had to make pivots where I was

859
00:38:33,520 --> 00:38:34,440
Speaker 1: not expecting to.

860
00:38:35,520 --> 00:38:37,360
Speaker 2: Was there something in your life that at the time

861
00:38:37,440 --> 00:38:40,600
Speaker 2: you saw as a negative but then now in retrospect

862
00:38:40,680 --> 00:38:42,799
Speaker 2: you look back and you realize it really launched you.

863
00:38:43,560 --> 00:38:46,320
Speaker 1: I honestly would kind of have to use that same example.

864
00:38:46,440 --> 00:38:49,440
Speaker 1: I was terrified. People were calling me like, okay, so

865
00:38:49,560 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: nobody's traveling for the next year. We had to have

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Speaker 1: it out as was my team, and we did so

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Speaker 1: us closer and really allowed us to grow in different

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Speaker 1: ways that we didn't think we were going to have

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Speaker 1: I said, for us of course, just looking internally, it

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Speaker 1: positive in those ways. So that was definitely a moment.

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Speaker 1: And then I don't know, I mean again, I think

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Speaker 1: set me up for having armor, for being heavy on

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Speaker 1: social media. That's what I will say. That would be

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Speaker 1: my other sort of turning pone. It looked low back

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Speaker 1: then because it was, but now I'm like, oh wow,

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Speaker 1: thank you guys all for allowing me to experience it then.

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Speaker 1: So I have like a harder shell now, just like

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Speaker 1: this armor you know that I feel like we all

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Speaker 3: Well, Shye, thank you so much for joining us.

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Speaker 1: Thank you so much.

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Speaker 2: Shaye lives in La I'm sure we've all seen her

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Speaker 2: architectural digest house tour by now with her partner.

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Speaker 3: And two daughters.

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Speaker 2: Base shows no signs of slowing down and just launched

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Speaker 2: more new designs Perfect Fear Travel Needs.

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Speaker 3: For more on.

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Speaker 2: Shae and all of her pivots and ventures, you can

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Speaker 2: follow her on at Shay Mitchell, on TikTok and Instagram.

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Speaker 2: I hope you enjoyed this season of She Pivots. I

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Speaker 2: want to take a moment to thank you all for

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Speaker 2: tuning in this season. We couldn't do this without your

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Speaker 2: support and love. It's been such a thrill to connect

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Speaker 2: with you all each week and hear such amazing stories

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Speaker 2: from these inspirational women. As many of you know, this

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Speaker 2: show was born out of my own personal pivot, and

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Speaker 2: I'm still learning and growing in my pivot from my

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Speaker 2: incredible guests. We're already plotting some exciting things for season three,

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Speaker 2: so be sure to follow us on Instagram at she

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Speaker 2: Pivots the Podcast to stay up to date on all

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Speaker 2: the latest happenings. Don't worry, We'll be back soon with

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Speaker 2: another season filled with more dynamic women.

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Speaker 3: Talk soon.

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Speaker 2: She Pivots is hosted by me Emily Tish Sussman, produced

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Speaker 2: Nina Pollok, and research and planning for Christine Dickinson and

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