Speaker 1: Right now talking for another episode of Unsigned and Independent
Speaker 1: with Kickoff Kevin. It's season two episode eleven, Kevin.
Speaker 2: What is her name?
Speaker 3: Jessica Rose?
Speaker 1: What about her made you go? Dang, I'm interested in her.
Speaker 3: I came across her on Instagram, saw her music, saw
Speaker 3: her perform a little bit, and I said, I need
Speaker 3: to find out more about her.
Speaker 1: So Unsigned and Independent is a show Kevin does with
Speaker 1: artists who really have something cool about them. They just
Speaker 1: haven't been signed yet for whatever reason, and mostly they're
Speaker 1: funding everything themselves.
Speaker 3: Yes, so we do this show.
Speaker 1: So if you like their music, you can support them
Speaker 1: by listening to the music, going to live shows, buying
Speaker 1: merch is a big deal. Jessica is moving back to
Speaker 1: Nashville next year. She doesn't live here now, not full time,
Speaker 1: so she works part time lovest here.
Speaker 3: Yeah, she comes here in the fall, but still does
Speaker 3: a lot of stuff back at home in New Jersey.
Speaker 2: Dang.
Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so here she is. She talks about American
Speaker 1: Idol as a teenager, so she isn't a really ship
Speaker 1: one for band members too.
Speaker 2: Which is odd. You're like the boss, Yes, that's what
Speaker 2: it's like.
Speaker 1: The Carli Pierce thing with her drummer like, she's his boss, Like,
Speaker 1: what's the power dynamic?
Speaker 3: Really, that's that's what I was in.
Speaker 2: She's his boss.
Speaker 1: So that's not for this episode here, but that's what's up.
Speaker 1: This is Jessica Rose, unsigned, an independent, and you can
Speaker 1: follow Kevin on Instagram at kick Off.
Speaker 3: Kevin, Jessica, I noticed when you drove in here you
Speaker 3: had Louisiana plates. Yeah, I'm not gonna give out your
Speaker 3: license plate here, but you had Louisiana plates. But so
Speaker 3: where are you from? Because I read Jersey, I read Nashville,
Speaker 3: and now I see Louisiana.
Speaker 2: Oh my god.
Speaker 3: And so where's home or well, home is Nashville now right, Okay,
Speaker 3: But where'd you grow up?
Speaker 4: So I grew up in New York originally, and then
Speaker 4: I became a Jersey girl. Right now, I'm not living
Speaker 4: living in Nashville. I actually woke up today on a
Speaker 4: mattress on the floor at my friend's house.
Speaker 3: What.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm staying at his house and he has this
Speaker 4: bare bedroom, so he gave me a mattress. That's what
Speaker 4: I'm sleeping on right now. I am going to move
Speaker 4: back to Nashville in January, so right before COVID, I
Speaker 4: moved to Jersey. I was playing in Nashville, and then
Speaker 4: I had no gigs left, so I was like, I
Speaker 4: guess this is.
Speaker 2: Time to now move back home.
Speaker 4: So when I was in Jersey, I was doing like
Speaker 4: Facebook lives and stuff for forever, it seemed like during COVID,
Speaker 4: and I just never moved back to Nashville. So I
Speaker 4: always stay with friends when i'm here, and yeah, so
Speaker 4: the mattress.
Speaker 2: Life is not for me anymore.
Speaker 4: So I'm definitely going to get a place to live
Speaker 4: here in January.
Speaker 3: So you are like the true definition of you know,
Speaker 3: trying to make it, And how often are you coming
Speaker 3: to Nashville?
Speaker 4: Then I usually spend the fall here, okay, fall spring?
Speaker 4: Last last spring met my band got an airbnb, like
Speaker 4: a like a short term rental, So we got an
Speaker 4: airbnb for two months last spring. But I'm ready to
Speaker 4: move back because I spent all of like my early
Speaker 4: twenties living in Nashville, playing downtown and I loved it.
Speaker 4: But then when COVID hit, I had no gigs and
Speaker 4: I'm a full time musician, so I had no choice
Speaker 4: but to move back home.
Speaker 3: And did you get any gigs? Obviously, everything was shut down,
Speaker 3: so maybe not any gigs, but were you able to
Speaker 3: provide for yourself back in Jersey different way or through music.
Speaker 4: I moved in with my family, so I didn't have
Speaker 4: any overhead for the most part, and I was doing
Speaker 4: live videos.
Speaker 2: I gained a good Facebook following doing that, and then once.
Speaker 4: Gigs started, I was playing on boats like people when
Speaker 4: COVID was happening and we were getting back into things
Speaker 4: like people would say, do you want to come play
Speaker 4: on my boat? It's outside, and you know, just trying
Speaker 4: to make ends meet. So I definitely had the luxury
Speaker 4: of living back home and not having like a mortgage
Speaker 4: or rent. So for me that worked out. But now
Speaker 4: I'm a big girl, so I need my place.
Speaker 3: But what are your parents think about that? Are they
Speaker 3: going to say, I mean, are you living with them
Speaker 3: right now?
Speaker 2: Or no?
Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, So they're going to be upset or
Speaker 3: sad when you when you got to go come in
Speaker 3: this winter? Are they kind of like, all right, it's
Speaker 3: time now you need you need to move on with
Speaker 3: your life here.
Speaker 4: They wouldn't want me to live with them until you know,
Speaker 4: I'm eighty years old. I'm a good roommate there you go.
Speaker 2: Yeah, so I pretty much.
Speaker 4: I'm just I'm so excited to get back to living
Speaker 4: in Nashville. I so the Louisiana car is a rental.
Speaker 3: Car, gotcha?
Speaker 4: And yeah, I moved here to Nashville in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: and I went to Belmont University my last two years.
Speaker 3: Okay, so that was pretty cool.
Speaker 4: And then I just started playing downtown, which everyone advised
Speaker 4: me not to do.
Speaker 2: And I said, I moved to Nashville because I want
Speaker 2: to do music.
Speaker 3: So did you go to Belmont as a musician or
Speaker 3: as like an engineer or producer?
Speaker 4: I studied music business, Okay, yeah, not as like a songwriter.
Speaker 4: I just, you know, me being naive. I'm like, you
Speaker 4: can't teach how to write a song. I mean those
Speaker 4: classes definitely would have helped.
Speaker 3: Yeah, they have actual classes like that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, have you.
Speaker 3: Ever taken anything like that?
Speaker 4: I've done like retreats, songwriting retreats and kind of like,
Speaker 4: I'm gonna be doing a lot of that in the fall.
Speaker 3: Because how does that like? Because to me, I've never
Speaker 3: written a song. I would love to write a song
Speaker 3: one day. I mean, I just think it'd be fun.
Speaker 3: I've said it on here before that. I would like
Speaker 3: to be part of like a writer's around, like a room,
Speaker 3: just to sit there and watch how a song comes about,
Speaker 3: because I've never seen it. You just see the end product,
Speaker 3: and they know there's so much work that goes into it, right,
Speaker 3: So I can't imagine. So, say you say a writer's
Speaker 3: retreat or even this taking a class, like what are
Speaker 3: they are they teaching you? Like when you say how
Speaker 3: to write a song? What does that really mean?
Speaker 2: Yeah?
Speaker 4: I mean I've done stuff with NSAI, so they have
Speaker 4: like a songwriting camp and you could go and hit
Speaker 4: songwriters will come in and talk about their experiences.
Speaker 2: But I feel like it's either in you or it's not.
Speaker 2: That's how I feel.
Speaker 3: That's how I feel too, because I'm like, I've never
Speaker 3: written one, and I don't feel like it's really Maybe
Speaker 3: it is, I guess I don't know. You never know
Speaker 3: until you try. But that just seems like it's such
Speaker 3: a personal thing almost where it's like teaching somebody to
Speaker 3: do that. And I guess obviously it works at Belmont,
Speaker 3: but it just seems like something that would just be
Speaker 3: so like individualized. Each person would be so different and
Speaker 3: be already it's a class about that.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be very hard.
Speaker 4: I write songs about my life and about my friend's life,
Speaker 4: so right, you can't.
Speaker 2: You have to go out there and just live your
Speaker 2: life and then a song.
Speaker 3: Do you like writing songs more or performing?
Speaker 4: I like performing more, and that was like the biggest
Speaker 4: thing for when I moved to town. I just wanted
Speaker 4: to perform, and I was playing like eight hour days downtown.
Speaker 4: Totally burnt myself out, but I leave there with a
Speaker 4: couple hundred bucks and I'm like, wow, like I did it.
Speaker 4: You know, I played downtown and I'm making money. But
Speaker 4: I've come to realize that it's all about the songs,
Speaker 4: all about the original music.
Speaker 2: So it took me a while to learn that.
Speaker 4: But now I know I just have to write music,
Speaker 4: keep my head down and write right right, and you know,
Speaker 4: eventually things will happen.
Speaker 3: When you say it's all about the original music, are
Speaker 3: you saying like, if you want to really make something
Speaker 3: out of yourself or you and your band, then you
Speaker 3: got to write your own songs, perform your own songs,
Speaker 3: and it's got to be it's got to catch on.
Speaker 3: Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, so you
Speaker 3: can only play so many cover songs before you're like, Okay,
Speaker 3: I need to start doing my own thing.
Speaker 2: That's what I've come to learn.
Speaker 4: I think, you know, from I moved here in twenty thirteen,
Speaker 4: so from what I've learned throughout the years, it all
Speaker 4: starts with the song.
Speaker 2: And I didn't believe it at first, but now I know.
Speaker 4: You know, if you post an original song or someone
Speaker 4: hears it and they connect with it, if it goes viral,
Speaker 4: I think that's that's what it's about, a song that
Speaker 4: connects with people.
Speaker 3: Do you remember the first song you ever wrote? What
Speaker 3: was it called.
Speaker 2: All I Ever Wanted?
Speaker 4: And I actually sang it on national television what oh
Speaker 4: my yeah, like a contest. I sang it on American
Speaker 4: Idol Nice Oh my gosh. I was seventeen, and it
Speaker 4: was a crazy season. It was when like Nicki Minaj
Speaker 4: was on, Keith Urban was on too really, and they said,
Speaker 4: do you have any original music? I don't know why
Speaker 4: they asked me that, and I said, yeah, I do. Meanwhile,
Speaker 4: it was just half of a song, so like I
Speaker 4: didn't really have an actual song, but it.
Speaker 2: Was like, oh I don't wanted.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like such a corny tune and I
Speaker 4: didn't make it through.
Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that song? Did you ever sing
Speaker 3: it again, like in front of an audience or no?
Speaker 3: Or did that song kind of going out of regard me? Really?
Speaker 3: Oh that sucks?
Speaker 4: No, it's cute, but I realized, Okay, I really get
Speaker 4: to like work on my career. And I didn't know
Speaker 4: this is what I wanted to do until I got
Speaker 4: told no on national television and cried ooh.
Speaker 3: And how long after that did you move to Nashville?
Speaker 2: Three years later?
Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, and you're so you're in Nashville for a
Speaker 3: little while, moved back, and now you're trying to move back.
Speaker 3: But you've been on your Instagram and every video where
Speaker 3: you're playing it seems like you're playing somewhere different, you know,
Speaker 3: whether it's in a basement somewhere or outdoor somewhere, or
Speaker 3: every stage, every setting is different, which is how it's
Speaker 3: supposed to be for an artist. What is that road
Speaker 3: like for you? Are you constantly on the road other
Speaker 3: than just going from Jersey to Nashville? Are you constantly
Speaker 3: performing in different places and trying to find these gigs
Speaker 3: on your own as an independent artist?
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I do all my booking, like everything myself.
Speaker 4: So I just placed a merch order, I designed my
Speaker 4: merch I'm writing my songs. I'm like trying to produce
Speaker 4: and I'm booking. So it's a lot of computer work,
Speaker 4: which I thought, like being a songwriter an artist, that'd
Speaker 4: be fun. And like I'm just like on my laptop
Speaker 4: for hours a day just trying to get opportunities or
Speaker 4: you know, just mapping out a tour. So yeah, I've
Speaker 4: been on the road a lot, and I've been trying
Speaker 4: to play more festivals, which is really cool. So I've
Speaker 4: been in my niece on rogue. It has a lot
Speaker 4: of miles on it.
Speaker 3: You go there, you go, is it you? You have
Speaker 3: a band? You have a full band?
Speaker 4: Right?
Speaker 3: How many members?
Speaker 2: There's four of us?
Speaker 3: Okay, So you talk about this booking and everything, is
Speaker 3: that everybody kind of has their own role.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not. They try to help, for sure,
Speaker 2: they're always willing to help.
Speaker 4: Like my bass player is producing a lot now and
Speaker 4: everyone's trying to help. But at the end of the day,
Speaker 4: I'm doing everything because it's my name. So it's not
Speaker 4: like Jessica Rose Band, It's Jessica Rose, So I'm mapping
Speaker 4: everything out, but they're definitely always willing to help.
Speaker 3: How did you and your form out here in Nashville or.
Speaker 4: We actually all met in Jersey and New York. I
Speaker 4: met my guitarist actually at the guitar shop that I
Speaker 4: took my first lessons at, and he became my guitarist
Speaker 4: years later. And then this last year I met my drummer,
Speaker 4: my bass player. So we met in Jersey. We instantly
Speaker 4: became like best friends, homies. And now, yeah, they're coming
Speaker 4: to Nashville and we're going to do this thing.
Speaker 3: So they're not here right now. No, Okay, where's your
Speaker 3: guys next stop after this or from here?
Speaker 4: At the end of the year, we're doing a few
Speaker 4: Jersey shows and playing a few writers rounds here, and
Speaker 4: then next year we're going to be doing Alred downtown.
Speaker 2: We're playing Old Red who we're playing there in a
Speaker 2: few weeks.
Speaker 4: They've been super cool because Alred has a few locations
Speaker 4: and they're connected with the Opry, so I've known them
Speaker 4: for a few years.
Speaker 3: And yeah, so and you have a significant relationship with
Speaker 3: some a member of your band, right, can we talk
Speaker 3: about that? So I'll let you the floor is yours.
Speaker 3: Then I'll let you explain your relationship with Yeah, continue, No.
Speaker 4: I actually I met one of my band members last
Speaker 4: year and she came to a gig of mine, and
Speaker 4: she didn't know who she was coming to see because
Speaker 4: she was going to see her bass player friend. So
Speaker 4: she was at my gig and then after my show,
Speaker 4: I went to another bar and she was playing at
Speaker 4: that bar and she plays the drums, and I was like, damn,
Speaker 4: like I really need a drummer. So I started talking
Speaker 4: with her and we hit it off, and like didn't
Speaker 4: know that we were going to be together together, but
Speaker 4: we were talking about music and spending hours together and
Speaker 4: like every day we meet up, have coffee, talk music,
Speaker 4: and then we ended up dating. So now I'm a
Speaker 4: girl that dates her drummer.
Speaker 2: I'm one of those is.
Speaker 3: The drummer dating the lead singer could go either way here? Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 3: what's that dynamic like? Because I've had a married couple
Speaker 3: on here, I've had you know, siblings that are in
Speaker 3: the same band on here, So I'm always just so
Speaker 3: interested in what that dynamic is like dating somebody that's
Speaker 3: in your band, because you spend so much time together,
Speaker 3: you go through the bad the good. Like it's it's
Speaker 3: hard enough to work with somebody no matter what you
Speaker 3: do that you're dating or married to. Yeah, and then
Speaker 3: when you're part of a band, like you are really intimate.
Speaker 3: You're not doing separate stuff, you're doing everything together, right,
Speaker 3: So what's that dynamic like for you guys?
Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy because we really jumped into things
Speaker 4: being in a band. You're like, you're like fam, you're
Speaker 4: family when you're in a band, So we, you know,
Speaker 4: would spend all of our time together. That's all we
Speaker 4: do because I'm either doing music or I'm with her,
Speaker 4: So jumping into that was definitely it was easy, but
Speaker 4: there were hard times, like with things that we agreed
Speaker 4: on and didn't agree on.
Speaker 2: But for the most part, she's very supportive.
Speaker 4: I'm supportive, and we both know that we have this
Speaker 4: higher dream and we could do it together. So that definitely,
Speaker 4: you know, makes it a lot easier to have that
Speaker 4: companion while you're going after this almost impossible dream.
Speaker 3: And what would that dream be for you or you
Speaker 3: and your band? Do you have an ultimate goal? Do
Speaker 3: you have like a bar where you're like, hey, if
Speaker 3: we play here, if we do this or if we
Speaker 3: sign here, then that means we made it. Do you
Speaker 3: have that goal in mind?
Speaker 2: I absolutely do, and I've always wondered.
Speaker 4: This is why I love this podcast because I've always wondered,
Speaker 4: and like was looking for answers all the time and
Speaker 4: just like listening and meeting people and figuring out what
Speaker 4: I want to do. I just didn't know what I
Speaker 4: wanted for a long time, and now I really know.
Speaker 4: I'm like I've always wanted to be the front man,
Speaker 4: playing festivals, going on tour, playing stadiums and playing my
Speaker 4: original music because it's it's a little different, but it
Speaker 4: fits into country. And you know, I'm just a little different.
Speaker 4: I'm not the typical country girl.
Speaker 3: I'm what do you mean by that?
Speaker 4: Because I'm I like girls. So I'm a gay female
Speaker 4: country artist. And for the longest time, I've never felt
Speaker 4: like I fit in or I belonged, And when I
Speaker 4: lived here full time, I just didn't have that.
Speaker 2: Reassurance in my own self.
Speaker 4: So now I finally, like, I came out on social
Speaker 4: media and I just want to own it. And I
Speaker 4: used to write songs in rooms with guys and I'd
Speaker 4: be singing about a boy and like I just knew
Speaker 4: it wasn't right, and I knew that I didn't want
Speaker 4: the world to hear that. So I was never proud
Speaker 4: of my music. And now that I'm finally have my
Speaker 4: own platform, I'm able to be myself.
Speaker 3: And how long ago was that?
Speaker 2: It was about two years ago that I came out.
Speaker 3: So you spent the vast majority of your obviously your life,
Speaker 3: but even just your music career of trying to be
Speaker 3: somebody that you're not.
Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly do.
Speaker 3: You feel like that was that reflected in your music?
Speaker 4: Yeah? I reflected in everything. I wasn't happy. I couldn't
Speaker 4: be myself. So how am I going to get on
Speaker 4: stage and let people think or believe in my music
Speaker 4: when I don't even do that? So I'm like, I'm
Speaker 4: over the moon with the music that I have ready
Speaker 4: to come out and record.
Speaker 2: So it's definitely been a struggle for sure.
Speaker 3: What are some of the struggles that you've dealt with since, say,
Speaker 3: coming out. Do you feel like because of that you
Speaker 3: may hit some roadblocks if you will?
Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Like I've had meetings and I've
Speaker 4: paid for mentorships and stuff like that, and like people
Speaker 4: told me who I should be what I should wear,
Speaker 4: what I should do, and now, especially in this day
Speaker 4: and age, I feel like you could do anything you
Speaker 4: freaking want, anything at all, Like if you want to
Speaker 4: jump on a pogo stick on TikTok and sing about girls,
Speaker 4: I don't know, Like that's the most ridiculous thing. Yeah,
Speaker 4: you got to get creative. Yeah, I just I feel
Speaker 4: like I could do whatever I want. And honestly, coming
Speaker 4: out on social media was huge because it's like, all right,
Speaker 4: it's out there in the world now I can't go back,
Speaker 4: and I could be proud of who I am.
Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm really happy that I did that.
Speaker 4: I don't know why. For my entire life, I didn't
Speaker 4: want to. I mean, part of it was because my
Speaker 4: parents are not okay with it. Now they are and
Speaker 4: they're the most supportive parents in the entire world, especially
Speaker 4: with music, But for a long time they didn't support
Speaker 4: my relationship.
Speaker 3: You know, did you come out to them before you
Speaker 3: ever came out to the world. Yeah, okay, how long before?
Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, like eight years?
Speaker 3: Oh wow? Yeah, So so they knew for eight years?
Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, because they weren't okay with it.
Speaker 4: And you know, now that the world knows, like, you can't,
Speaker 4: you can't take that back, And it was really really hard,
Speaker 4: but now they're totally cool with it, like Coole as parents.
Speaker 3: How long did that take them to kind of adjust
Speaker 3: to it and accept it?
Speaker 2: Probably I mean nine or ten years, like oh well, yeah, okay, yeah, so.
Speaker 3: You've did you ever feel like you were kind of
Speaker 3: out there on your on your own? I mean both
Speaker 3: musically and personally as well, So that had to be
Speaker 3: a compile onto everything just to make this struggle even harder.
Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird because I knew how much my
Speaker 4: parents love me, but I knew how they weren't okay
Speaker 4: with that, And I think it was more of like,
Speaker 4: you know, our daughter is gay, Like they didn't want
Speaker 4: to want people to know. So now that everyone does,
Speaker 4: and everyone's like, we're so proud of like your daughter
Speaker 4: and who she is and that she's following her dreams.
Speaker 4: And I have an older other and he tells me
Speaker 4: all the time. He's like, most people don't follow their dreams,
Speaker 4: and you are, and that takes a lot.
Speaker 3: And you're fighting a whole nother obstacle, like you're not
Speaker 3: just following your dreams of playing music you're also having
Speaker 3: to battle this, you know, being gay in the industry. Ye,
Speaker 3: battling just coming out. So I do appreciate you telling that.
Speaker 4: And this is like the first major podcast or even
Speaker 4: anywhere that I'm talking about this.
Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome, Thank you. I do appreciate you talking.
Speaker 3: I mean, I know that can't be easy, especially only
Speaker 3: a couple of years in it something that you've battled
Speaker 3: for so long, So I do appreciate you sharing that.
Speaker 3: What are some other struggles that you've dealt with outside
Speaker 3: of you know, being gay in the industry, just trying
Speaker 3: to make it in music in general. What do you
Speaker 3: think has been some of the biggest obstacles for you
Speaker 3: to get to where you ultimately want to be.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I think well, for me, I know, I've learned
Speaker 4: that like knowing people is great and just making those relationships.
Speaker 2: So I'm excited.
Speaker 4: I've been playing some bigger shows and meeting some bigger
Speaker 4: artists and there you know, their team and getting to
Speaker 4: know people. I think being that shy little girl and
Speaker 4: not being myself was the biggest struggle for me. So
Speaker 4: other than that, now that I could be myself and
Speaker 4: people like I get I'm a good hang People like
Speaker 4: to hang out with me and we have fun. So
Speaker 4: I feel like just getting to know myself better and
Speaker 4: getting to know other people better was my biggest setback.
Speaker 3: Do you have an influence out here that somebody who
Speaker 3: really helps you get through some stuff or whether it's
Speaker 3: songwriting or just you know, personally professionally.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have a good group of friends here. Honestly,
Speaker 4: the gay community in Nashville, like going a lipstick lounge
Speaker 4: and playing songs about girls is really cool. I definitely
Speaker 4: have plans to release songs that like say her in It,
Speaker 4: but right now I'm just focusing on I have some
Speaker 4: fun songs that I'm going to release that are like
Speaker 4: totally country rock. And I'm really influenced by Carrie Underwood too,
Speaker 4: because she has that, Like she had this album that
Speaker 4: is really rocky and like awesome drums, So we'll have
Speaker 4: to get my girl in the drums for that.
Speaker 3: You have a time period for that or that next
Speaker 3: year sometimes.
Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want to be living here in Nashville
Speaker 4: and release that stuff. But I'm gonna I'm gonna release
Speaker 4: at least one more single for the fall, and it's
Speaker 4: just like a drinking song. It's gonna be I like
Speaker 4: to drink and party.
Speaker 3: Well, you're in the right city, I guess. Yeah, So
Speaker 3: what do you What are you telling yourself then? Because
Speaker 3: I sometimes I will last like, you know, what, if
Speaker 3: you've been here for eight years, what would you tell
Speaker 3: yourself eight years ago that you don't know now? And
Speaker 3: for you, it's you were here years ago and now
Speaker 3: you're coming back, and what's because obviously your mindset is
Speaker 3: different in every single way. What are you telling yourself
Speaker 3: as you come back to Nashville full time and what's
Speaker 3: your mindset compared to the first time.
Speaker 4: Yeah, so coming back here, I'm just going to focus
Speaker 4: mostly on songwriting and the money will come. I was here,
Speaker 4: I was doing Broadway, I was bartending. I was focused
Speaker 4: on like paying bills and making money. And now I'm
Speaker 4: just like, I just want to write the best songs
Speaker 4: and the money will come.
Speaker 2: I do believe that.
Speaker 3: You just believe in doing what you should be doing
Speaker 3: and everything else will come.
Speaker 4: With you writing songs, going out supporting other friends and
Speaker 4: just like I went out last night, I haven't seen
Speaker 4: people in a while, and everyone was just so happy
Speaker 4: to see me. And I've definitely made an impact with
Speaker 4: some friend groups, and I think that just focusing on
Speaker 4: songwriting is going to be my biggest thing.
Speaker 3: Are you in hopes of like a publishing deal?
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my goal. Okay, I think I came here
Speaker 4: without a goal, and like, I had so many friends
Speaker 4: that weren't in the industry and that's cool, but I
Speaker 4: just want to aim for that publishing deal.
Speaker 3: Is there any way you can just summarize real quick
Speaker 3: to somebody because I didn't really know. This is when
Speaker 3: I first moved the difference between say a label or
Speaker 3: a deal and a publishing deal.
Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a publishing deal is just you go
Speaker 4: in writing songs and they're going to own your publishing
Speaker 4: and get you co writs. A record deal is the whole,
Speaker 4: the whole kit komboodle. So I don't think I need
Speaker 4: that because I'm doing a lot of stuff on my
Speaker 4: own and they really take a lot from a record deal.
Speaker 4: So the publishing deal will be kind of like the
Speaker 4: first step, and then record labels like kind of do
Speaker 4: your distribution and get your songs on radio and management
Speaker 4: and everything. So I think a publishing deal would be
Speaker 4: my best bet.
Speaker 3: How how much does social media help you.
Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm here right now.
Speaker 3: I know, I know. I mean, if you're listening, it
Speaker 3: really is Jessica out to me. And this is where
Speaker 3: we are. Was months ago, and you know, I said, hey,
Speaker 3: just be patient with me and think thank god you were. Yeah,
Speaker 3: so I appreciate that, and this is why we're here,
Speaker 3: so outside of just this podcast. So I mean, it's
Speaker 3: such a good, great way for you to distribute your music,
Speaker 3: right and your song is the way that you want
Speaker 3: them to be heard, and you want them to be sung,
Speaker 3: and so for you, do you use it as your
Speaker 3: major tool to outsource your music.
Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another huge thing that I want to do. Like,
Speaker 4: so I'm going to get my own house and I'm
Speaker 4: going to have like a cute little room and have
Speaker 4: people over kind of like this, write a song and
Speaker 4: then do like a little interview and post it on
Speaker 4: social media, and I think that'll give other artists exposure
Speaker 4: and like we'll do things together. I was never one
Speaker 4: to like go out to a meal and then post
Speaker 4: a picture of like my tacos and margarita on Instagram,
Speaker 4: but like that's kind of what it's about. Going places
Speaker 4: and like really putting your original music on social media
Speaker 4: for sure.
Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get a lot of good feedback, good
Speaker 3: and bad. I'm sure right, you got to have the
Speaker 3: bad of course, because people have nothing better to I know.
Speaker 4: I'm like, now I'm posting funny videos and being myself,
Speaker 4: So I'm gonna do that with my music.
Speaker 3: That's the hardest part I think about social media, whether
Speaker 3: it's for your job or just in general, even with myself.
Speaker 3: Like you know, I'll take a video or something and
Speaker 3: I'm like, you're just such a hard critic on yourself,
Speaker 3: and you think you look stupid or you're acting stupid,
Speaker 3: and you're like yeah, But at the same time, like, dude,
Speaker 3: this is just who you are, Like it's not a
Speaker 3: big deal. Who really cares, you know what I mean?
Speaker 3: So I can't even imagine music what that like that
Speaker 3: burden may have on you, Like what if this song
Speaker 3: everybody hates the song or hates these lyrics or whatever,
Speaker 3: So it could be a great thing and a bad thing.
Speaker 3: I do want to talk about some of your music here.
Speaker 3: We'll talk about Burn first. It's your latest single, latest single,
Speaker 3: lay single. He I'll play a little clip and we'll
Speaker 3: talk about it real quick. All right, what's the story
Speaker 3: behind what do You Letting Burn?
Speaker 2: Oh?
Speaker 4: Well, I wrote this with one of my friends, and
Speaker 4: it's about being with someone that's not good for you.
Speaker 4: There yeah, I mean, but you do it anyway because
Speaker 4: you're stupid and just you kind of like it, like
Speaker 4: you're you're with somebody, maybe they don't treat you right
Speaker 4: or and then you just stick with them because you
Speaker 4: like the feel of it, you're comfortable with them, and
Speaker 4: yeah it hurts, but it kind of feels good.
Speaker 3: Just written about somebody for you personally or more of
Speaker 3: like we've all been there, but maybe not somebody.
Speaker 4: Specific real Honestly, it was my friend who was like,
Speaker 4: I feel like I've been in pretty good relationships in
Speaker 4: my past and people. If someone's not going to be
Speaker 4: good to me, then I'm not going to stick with them.
Speaker 4: But that was the opposite for her. She was with
Speaker 4: this person that wasn't good for her, and yeah, we kind.
Speaker 3: Of just is she in music as well?
Speaker 2: Or did Yeah she's a songwriter?
Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, gotcha?
Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, all right.
Speaker 3: Here's the whiskey nose and we'll play this real great.
Speaker 2: The whiskey.
Speaker 3: It does know good? I am bad.
Speaker 2: This is the story of my life.
Speaker 4: Is only these Yeah, for a very long time.
Speaker 2: Even now.
Speaker 4: If you want the honest truth, which I'll give it
Speaker 4: to you, but especially after I'm drinking.
Speaker 3: You're the drunk truth teller.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone is.
Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure that what's that old saying where
Speaker 3: they say the truth comes out when you're drinking or
Speaker 3: something like that, whatever it is? Now? Is that a
Speaker 3: Is that ever a really bad thing for you?
Speaker 2: I mean I haven't I haven't been on the other
Speaker 2: end of it.
Speaker 4: But but I think, yeah, it's not.
Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing.
Speaker 3: Okay, are you big whiskey girl? In obviously you like whiskey.
Speaker 4: I've loved whiskey until I release this song, and people
Speaker 4: are constantly taking shots with me and buying me bottles
Speaker 4: of whiskey. So now I've switched tequila.
Speaker 3: Well, before you switch, what was your go to?
Speaker 4: I love honeyjack on the rocks or shot just shots
Speaker 4: of honey jack, but I drank so much of it
Speaker 4: after releasing this song.
Speaker 3: Is everyone just buying new shots left right, and I'll steal.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll still do honeyjack anytime.
Speaker 3: Okay, Well if we ever, you know, see each other
Speaker 3: at a bar, go to a show or something like that.
Speaker 3: I will buy you a shot. Why, I'll see how
Speaker 3: to take at least one more in your life and
Speaker 3: we'll take it from that. Please, we'll close out with this.
Speaker 3: Do you have anything else coming up, say the end
Speaker 3: of this year beginning and next year. I know you're
Speaker 3: moving back to Nashville, big moves, anything else you want
Speaker 3: to kind of throw out there, Maybe some new music
Speaker 3: coming at all.
Speaker 4: Or yeah, oh my god, I'm gonna tease this song
Speaker 4: because I have this song coming out. It's called tgi
Speaker 4: f It Okay, So I wrote it for people that
Speaker 4: just love living on the weekend and not caring about anything,
Speaker 4: you know.
Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when you.
Speaker 3: Move back there, we need to get together. We need
Speaker 3: to go out one.
Speaker 2: That sounds good.
Speaker 3: You can go to her website, Real Jessica Rose dot
Speaker 3: com step to date with everything, all your tour dates
Speaker 3: and everything. All your information is on there. Go follow
Speaker 3: her social media Real Jessica Rose, check her out music
Speaker 3: stream her. I really appreciate you coming in here on
Speaker 3: your story. This is awesome and look forward to you
Speaker 3: getting back out here in Nashville permanently. I can't wait
Speaker 3: all right, Thank you.
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