WEBVTT - BobbyCast Presents: Unsigned & Independent: Jessica Rose - Staying True to Yourself 0:00:10.160 --> 0:00:12.560 Right now talking for another episode of Unsigned and Independent 0:00:12.840 --> 0:00:16.600 with Kickoff Kevin. It's season two episode eleven, Kevin. 0:00:16.680 --> 0:00:17.360 What is her name? 0:00:17.720 --> 0:00:18.440 Jessica Rose? 0:00:18.520 --> 0:00:21.040 What about her made you go? Dang, I'm interested in her. 0:00:21.120 --> 0:00:23.239 I came across her on Instagram, saw her music, saw 0:00:23.239 --> 0:00:25.480 her perform a little bit, and I said, I need 0:00:25.480 --> 0:00:26.360 to find out more about her. 0:00:26.400 --> 0:00:30.280 So Unsigned and Independent is a show Kevin does with 0:00:30.440 --> 0:00:32.839 artists who really have something cool about them. They just 0:00:33.360 --> 0:00:36.320 haven't been signed yet for whatever reason, and mostly they're 0:00:36.400 --> 0:00:37.599 funding everything themselves. 0:00:37.760 --> 0:00:38.760 Yes, so we do this show. 0:00:38.800 --> 0:00:40.239 So if you like their music, you can support them 0:00:40.240 --> 0:00:42.479 by listening to the music, going to live shows, buying 0:00:42.520 --> 0:00:45.120 merch is a big deal. Jessica is moving back to 0:00:45.200 --> 0:00:47.880 Nashville next year. She doesn't live here now, not full time, 0:00:48.159 --> 0:00:50.600 so she works part time lovest here. 0:00:50.680 --> 0:00:52.400 Yeah, she comes here in the fall, but still does 0:00:52.400 --> 0:00:53.880 a lot of stuff back at home in New Jersey. 0:00:54.160 --> 0:00:54.520 Dang. 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.600 Yeah, okay, so here she is. She talks about American 0:00:57.640 --> 0:01:00.280 Idol as a teenager, so she isn't a really ship 0:01:00.320 --> 0:01:01.360 one for band members too. 0:01:01.200 --> 0:01:04.240 Which is odd. You're like the boss, Yes, that's what 0:01:04.760 --> 0:01:05.000 it's like. 0:01:05.040 --> 0:01:08.880 The Carli Pierce thing with her drummer like, she's his boss, Like, 0:01:08.920 --> 0:01:09.920 what's the power dynamic? 0:01:10.000 --> 0:01:11.440 Really, that's that's what I was in. 0:01:11.560 --> 0:01:12.399 She's his boss. 0:01:12.840 --> 0:01:15.880 So that's not for this episode here, but that's what's up. 0:01:16.040 --> 0:01:19.800 This is Jessica Rose, unsigned, an independent, and you can 0:01:19.800 --> 0:01:22.240 follow Kevin on Instagram at kick Off. 0:01:22.120 --> 0:01:26.000 Kevin, Jessica, I noticed when you drove in here you 0:01:26.040 --> 0:01:29.040 had Louisiana plates. Yeah, I'm not gonna give out your 0:01:29.080 --> 0:01:33.560 license plate here, but you had Louisiana plates. But so 0:01:33.600 --> 0:01:35.640 where are you from? Because I read Jersey, I read Nashville, 0:01:35.640 --> 0:01:36.800 and now I see Louisiana. 0:01:36.959 --> 0:01:37.520 Oh my god. 0:01:37.600 --> 0:01:42.639 And so where's home or well, home is Nashville now right, Okay, 0:01:42.680 --> 0:01:43.960 But where'd you grow up? 0:01:44.160 --> 0:01:47.080 So I grew up in New York originally, and then 0:01:47.120 --> 0:01:52.240 I became a Jersey girl. Right now, I'm not living 0:01:52.320 --> 0:01:56.480 living in Nashville. I actually woke up today on a 0:01:56.480 --> 0:01:58.279 mattress on the floor at my friend's house. 0:01:58.400 --> 0:01:58.720 What. 0:01:59.240 --> 0:02:02.280 Yeah, I'm staying at his house and he has this 0:02:02.400 --> 0:02:05.760 bare bedroom, so he gave me a mattress. That's what 0:02:05.840 --> 0:02:08.600 I'm sleeping on right now. I am going to move 0:02:08.639 --> 0:02:14.360 back to Nashville in January, so right before COVID, I 0:02:14.480 --> 0:02:17.640 moved to Jersey. I was playing in Nashville, and then 0:02:17.639 --> 0:02:20.359 I had no gigs left, so I was like, I 0:02:20.400 --> 0:02:20.960 guess this is. 0:02:20.919 --> 0:02:22.760 Time to now move back home. 0:02:23.520 --> 0:02:26.120 So when I was in Jersey, I was doing like 0:02:26.160 --> 0:02:29.960 Facebook lives and stuff for forever, it seemed like during COVID, 0:02:30.160 --> 0:02:32.520 and I just never moved back to Nashville. So I 0:02:32.560 --> 0:02:36.000 always stay with friends when i'm here, and yeah, so 0:02:36.639 --> 0:02:37.680 the mattress. 0:02:37.280 --> 0:02:40.240 Life is not for me anymore. 0:02:40.480 --> 0:02:42.880 So I'm definitely going to get a place to live 0:02:42.919 --> 0:02:44.080 here in January. 0:02:44.200 --> 0:02:46.680 So you are like the true definition of you know, 0:02:46.760 --> 0:02:49.200 trying to make it, And how often are you coming 0:02:49.240 --> 0:02:49.760 to Nashville? 0:02:49.800 --> 0:02:53.799 Then I usually spend the fall here, okay, fall spring? 0:02:54.320 --> 0:02:58.560 Last last spring met my band got an airbnb, like 0:02:58.160 --> 0:03:01.000 a like a short term rental, So we got an 0:03:01.040 --> 0:03:04.480 airbnb for two months last spring. But I'm ready to 0:03:04.720 --> 0:03:07.560 move back because I spent all of like my early 0:03:07.600 --> 0:03:12.359 twenties living in Nashville, playing downtown and I loved it. 0:03:12.400 --> 0:03:14.360 But then when COVID hit, I had no gigs and 0:03:14.400 --> 0:03:18.520 I'm a full time musician, so I had no choice 0:03:18.560 --> 0:03:19.480 but to move back home. 0:03:19.800 --> 0:03:22.120 And did you get any gigs? Obviously, everything was shut down, 0:03:22.160 --> 0:03:24.440 so maybe not any gigs, but were you able to 0:03:24.919 --> 0:03:28.640 provide for yourself back in Jersey different way or through music. 0:03:28.800 --> 0:03:31.440 I moved in with my family, so I didn't have 0:03:31.480 --> 0:03:34.440 any overhead for the most part, and I was doing 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.320 live videos. 0:03:36.160 --> 0:03:40.240 I gained a good Facebook following doing that, and then once. 0:03:40.120 --> 0:03:43.200 Gigs started, I was playing on boats like people when 0:03:43.240 --> 0:03:46.280 COVID was happening and we were getting back into things 0:03:46.280 --> 0:03:47.680 like people would say, do you want to come play 0:03:47.680 --> 0:03:50.480 on my boat? It's outside, and you know, just trying 0:03:50.480 --> 0:03:53.240 to make ends meet. So I definitely had the luxury 0:03:53.280 --> 0:03:56.840 of living back home and not having like a mortgage 0:03:56.960 --> 0:03:59.920 or rent. So for me that worked out. But now 0:04:00.080 --> 0:04:01.720 I'm a big girl, so I need my place. 0:04:03.040 --> 0:04:04.600 But what are your parents think about that? Are they 0:04:04.600 --> 0:04:06.040 going to say, I mean, are you living with them 0:04:06.120 --> 0:04:06.360 right now? 0:04:06.480 --> 0:04:06.640 Or no? 0:04:07.040 --> 0:04:09.200 Yeah, okay, okay, So they're going to be upset or 0:04:09.280 --> 0:04:11.520 sad when you when you got to go come in 0:04:11.560 --> 0:04:13.040 this winter? Are they kind of like, all right, it's 0:04:13.080 --> 0:04:14.680 time now you need you need to move on with 0:04:14.720 --> 0:04:15.320 your life here. 0:04:15.720 --> 0:04:18.120 They wouldn't want me to live with them until you know, 0:04:18.200 --> 0:04:22.440 I'm eighty years old. I'm a good roommate there you go. 0:04:23.240 --> 0:04:25.080 Yeah, so I pretty much. 0:04:25.200 --> 0:04:27.760 I'm just I'm so excited to get back to living 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:31.719 in Nashville. I so the Louisiana car is a rental. 0:04:31.440 --> 0:04:32.560 Car, gotcha? 0:04:32.720 --> 0:04:36.560 And yeah, I moved here to Nashville in twenty thirteen, 0:04:37.440 --> 0:04:40.080 and I went to Belmont University my last two years. 0:04:40.960 --> 0:04:42.520 Okay, so that was pretty cool. 0:04:43.160 --> 0:04:46.680 And then I just started playing downtown, which everyone advised 0:04:46.680 --> 0:04:47.480 me not to do. 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.240 And I said, I moved to Nashville because I want 0:04:51.240 --> 0:04:52.080 to do music. 0:04:52.240 --> 0:04:55.520 So did you go to Belmont as a musician or 0:04:55.560 --> 0:04:57.200 as like an engineer or producer? 0:04:57.720 --> 0:05:02.000 I studied music business, Okay, yeah, not as like a songwriter. 0:05:02.279 --> 0:05:05.440 I just, you know, me being naive. I'm like, you 0:05:05.480 --> 0:05:07.719 can't teach how to write a song. I mean those 0:05:07.720 --> 0:05:09.040 classes definitely would have helped. 0:05:09.160 --> 0:05:11.039 Yeah, they have actual classes like that. 0:05:11.279 --> 0:05:12.840 Yeah, have you. 0:05:12.800 --> 0:05:14.320 Ever taken anything like that? 0:05:15.120 --> 0:05:19.240 I've done like retreats, songwriting retreats and kind of like, 0:05:19.279 --> 0:05:20.960 I'm gonna be doing a lot of that in the fall. 0:05:21.400 --> 0:05:24.839 Because how does that like? Because to me, I've never 0:05:24.880 --> 0:05:26.320 written a song. I would love to write a song 0:05:26.360 --> 0:05:27.880 one day. I mean, I just think it'd be fun. 0:05:27.880 --> 0:05:30.039 I've said it on here before that. I would like 0:05:30.080 --> 0:05:32.280 to be part of like a writer's around, like a room, 0:05:32.520 --> 0:05:34.719 just to sit there and watch how a song comes about, 0:05:34.720 --> 0:05:36.560 because I've never seen it. You just see the end product, 0:05:36.560 --> 0:05:38.640 and they know there's so much work that goes into it, right, 0:05:39.760 --> 0:05:42.040 So I can't imagine. So, say you say a writer's 0:05:42.040 --> 0:05:46.720 retreat or even this taking a class, like what are 0:05:46.720 --> 0:05:48.800 they are they teaching you? Like when you say how 0:05:48.839 --> 0:05:50.479 to write a song? What does that really mean? 0:05:51.200 --> 0:05:51.440 Yeah? 0:05:51.480 --> 0:05:54.320 I mean I've done stuff with NSAI, so they have 0:05:54.480 --> 0:05:57.960 like a songwriting camp and you could go and hit 0:05:58.040 --> 0:06:00.800 songwriters will come in and talk about their experiences. 0:06:00.839 --> 0:06:03.440 But I feel like it's either in you or it's not. 0:06:04.320 --> 0:06:05.200 That's how I feel. 0:06:05.520 --> 0:06:07.120 That's how I feel too, because I'm like, I've never 0:06:07.120 --> 0:06:10.440 written one, and I don't feel like it's really Maybe 0:06:10.440 --> 0:06:12.039 it is, I guess I don't know. You never know 0:06:12.240 --> 0:06:13.920 until you try. But that just seems like it's such 0:06:13.960 --> 0:06:18.680 a personal thing almost where it's like teaching somebody to 0:06:18.760 --> 0:06:21.320 do that. And I guess obviously it works at Belmont, 0:06:21.400 --> 0:06:23.000 but it just seems like something that would just be 0:06:23.080 --> 0:06:25.560 so like individualized. Each person would be so different and 0:06:25.600 --> 0:06:27.120 be already it's a class about that. 0:06:27.680 --> 0:06:29.799 Yeah, I think that would be very hard. 0:06:30.080 --> 0:06:32.599 I write songs about my life and about my friend's life, 0:06:32.640 --> 0:06:33.679 so right, you can't. 0:06:34.120 --> 0:06:35.520 You have to go out there and just live your 0:06:35.560 --> 0:06:36.320 life and then a song. 0:06:36.640 --> 0:06:39.200 Do you like writing songs more or performing? 0:06:40.200 --> 0:06:44.480 I like performing more, and that was like the biggest 0:06:44.480 --> 0:06:47.520 thing for when I moved to town. I just wanted 0:06:47.600 --> 0:06:52.320 to perform, and I was playing like eight hour days downtown. 0:06:53.240 --> 0:06:57.479 Totally burnt myself out, but I leave there with a 0:06:57.480 --> 0:06:59.960 couple hundred bucks and I'm like, wow, like I did it. 0:07:00.080 --> 0:07:03.760 You know, I played downtown and I'm making money. But 0:07:04.839 --> 0:07:07.120 I've come to realize that it's all about the songs, 0:07:07.279 --> 0:07:08.520 all about the original music. 0:07:08.640 --> 0:07:10.480 So it took me a while to learn that. 0:07:10.920 --> 0:07:13.960 But now I know I just have to write music, 0:07:14.080 --> 0:07:17.520 keep my head down and write right right, and you know, 0:07:17.560 --> 0:07:18.800 eventually things will happen. 0:07:19.040 --> 0:07:21.080 When you say it's all about the original music, are 0:07:21.080 --> 0:07:22.960 you saying like, if you want to really make something 0:07:22.960 --> 0:07:25.000 out of yourself or you and your band, then you 0:07:25.000 --> 0:07:27.080 got to write your own songs, perform your own songs, 0:07:27.080 --> 0:07:28.720 and it's got to be it's got to catch on. 0:07:28.800 --> 0:07:30.480 Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, so you 0:07:30.480 --> 0:07:33.880 can only play so many cover songs before you're like, Okay, 0:07:33.920 --> 0:07:35.120 I need to start doing my own thing. 0:07:35.360 --> 0:07:36.480 That's what I've come to learn. 0:07:36.520 --> 0:07:39.679 I think, you know, from I moved here in twenty thirteen, 0:07:39.840 --> 0:07:42.520 so from what I've learned throughout the years, it all 0:07:42.560 --> 0:07:43.440 starts with the song. 0:07:43.760 --> 0:07:46.120 And I didn't believe it at first, but now I know. 0:07:47.000 --> 0:07:49.400 You know, if you post an original song or someone 0:07:49.440 --> 0:07:51.880 hears it and they connect with it, if it goes viral, 0:07:53.600 --> 0:07:55.720 I think that's that's what it's about, a song that 0:07:55.720 --> 0:07:56.520 connects with people. 0:07:56.600 --> 0:07:59.240 Do you remember the first song you ever wrote? What 0:07:59.320 --> 0:07:59.920 was it called. 0:08:01.320 --> 0:08:02.440 All I Ever Wanted? 0:08:03.160 --> 0:08:07.720 And I actually sang it on national television what oh 0:08:07.760 --> 0:08:12.640 my yeah, like a contest. I sang it on American 0:08:12.680 --> 0:08:18.440 Idol Nice Oh my gosh. I was seventeen, and it 0:08:18.600 --> 0:08:21.120 was a crazy season. It was when like Nicki Minaj 0:08:21.280 --> 0:08:26.400 was on, Keith Urban was on too really, and they said, 0:08:26.400 --> 0:08:28.320 do you have any original music? I don't know why 0:08:28.360 --> 0:08:31.280 they asked me that, and I said, yeah, I do. Meanwhile, 0:08:31.280 --> 0:08:33.200 it was just half of a song, so like I 0:08:33.200 --> 0:08:36.560 didn't really have an actual song, but it. 0:08:36.440 --> 0:08:38.080 Was like, oh I don't wanted. 0:08:38.280 --> 0:08:41.360 Yeah, it was like such a corny tune and I 0:08:41.360 --> 0:08:42.199 didn't make it through. 0:08:44.040 --> 0:08:45.959 Have you ever seen that song? Did you ever sing 0:08:46.000 --> 0:08:47.599 it again, like in front of an audience or no? 0:08:47.800 --> 0:08:51.200 Or did that song kind of going out of regard me? Really? 0:08:52.240 --> 0:08:53.240 Oh that sucks? 0:08:53.520 --> 0:08:57.480 No, it's cute, but I realized, Okay, I really get 0:08:57.559 --> 0:09:01.800 to like work on my career. And I didn't know 0:09:01.920 --> 0:09:04.720 this is what I wanted to do until I got 0:09:04.720 --> 0:09:08.240 told no on national television and cried ooh. 0:09:08.840 --> 0:09:10.920 And how long after that did you move to Nashville? 0:09:11.240 --> 0:09:12.000 Three years later? 0:09:12.120 --> 0:09:14.679 Okay? Yeah, and you're so you're in Nashville for a 0:09:14.679 --> 0:09:16.840 little while, moved back, and now you're trying to move back. 0:09:16.920 --> 0:09:20.800 But you've been on your Instagram and every video where 0:09:20.800 --> 0:09:23.560 you're playing it seems like you're playing somewhere different, you know, 0:09:23.679 --> 0:09:26.880 whether it's in a basement somewhere or outdoor somewhere, or 0:09:27.360 --> 0:09:30.000 every stage, every setting is different, which is how it's 0:09:30.040 --> 0:09:31.800 supposed to be for an artist. What is that road 0:09:31.920 --> 0:09:34.079 like for you? Are you constantly on the road other 0:09:34.120 --> 0:09:37.439 than just going from Jersey to Nashville? Are you constantly 0:09:37.760 --> 0:09:39.959 performing in different places and trying to find these gigs 0:09:40.000 --> 0:09:41.480 on your own as an independent artist? 0:09:41.720 --> 0:09:45.160 Yeah, So I do all my booking, like everything myself. 0:09:45.480 --> 0:09:48.800 So I just placed a merch order, I designed my 0:09:48.880 --> 0:09:52.600 merch I'm writing my songs. I'm like trying to produce 0:09:53.520 --> 0:09:57.480 and I'm booking. So it's a lot of computer work, 0:09:57.520 --> 0:10:00.360 which I thought, like being a songwriter an artist, that'd 0:10:00.360 --> 0:10:02.880 be fun. And like I'm just like on my laptop 0:10:02.920 --> 0:10:06.080 for hours a day just trying to get opportunities or 0:10:06.760 --> 0:10:11.200 you know, just mapping out a tour. So yeah, I've 0:10:11.280 --> 0:10:14.080 been on the road a lot, and I've been trying 0:10:14.120 --> 0:10:17.000 to play more festivals, which is really cool. So I've 0:10:17.040 --> 0:10:19.719 been in my niece on rogue. It has a lot 0:10:19.720 --> 0:10:20.480 of miles on it. 0:10:20.920 --> 0:10:27.240 You go there, you go, is it you? You have 0:10:27.280 --> 0:10:28.520 a band? You have a full band? 0:10:28.559 --> 0:10:28.679 Right? 0:10:28.679 --> 0:10:29.320 How many members? 0:10:29.520 --> 0:10:30.199 There's four of us? 0:10:30.280 --> 0:10:33.079 Okay, So you talk about this booking and everything, is 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:34.560 that everybody kind of has their own role. 0:10:35.600 --> 0:10:38.760 Yeah, I mean not. They try to help, for sure, 0:10:39.200 --> 0:10:40.640 they're always willing to help. 0:10:40.720 --> 0:10:44.840 Like my bass player is producing a lot now and 0:10:45.320 --> 0:10:47.920 everyone's trying to help. But at the end of the day, 0:10:47.960 --> 0:10:50.240 I'm doing everything because it's my name. So it's not 0:10:50.320 --> 0:10:56.240 like Jessica Rose Band, It's Jessica Rose, So I'm mapping 0:10:56.280 --> 0:10:59.080 everything out, but they're definitely always willing to help. 0:10:59.320 --> 0:11:01.920 How did you and your form out here in Nashville or. 0:11:02.200 --> 0:11:05.760 We actually all met in Jersey and New York. I 0:11:05.800 --> 0:11:08.840 met my guitarist actually at the guitar shop that I 0:11:08.880 --> 0:11:13.240 took my first lessons at, and he became my guitarist 0:11:13.320 --> 0:11:17.760 years later. And then this last year I met my drummer, 0:11:17.840 --> 0:11:22.240 my bass player. So we met in Jersey. We instantly 0:11:22.280 --> 0:11:26.559 became like best friends, homies. And now, yeah, they're coming 0:11:26.600 --> 0:11:28.839 to Nashville and we're going to do this thing. 0:11:28.920 --> 0:11:31.320 So they're not here right now. No, Okay, where's your 0:11:31.320 --> 0:11:33.320 guys next stop after this or from here? 0:11:33.720 --> 0:11:36.160 At the end of the year, we're doing a few 0:11:36.240 --> 0:11:40.280 Jersey shows and playing a few writers rounds here, and 0:11:40.320 --> 0:11:45.080 then next year we're going to be doing Alred downtown. 0:11:45.080 --> 0:11:46.880 We're playing Old Red who we're playing there in a 0:11:46.920 --> 0:11:47.480 few weeks. 0:11:48.800 --> 0:11:51.600 They've been super cool because Alred has a few locations 0:11:51.640 --> 0:11:54.959 and they're connected with the Opry, so I've known them 0:11:54.960 --> 0:11:55.760 for a few years. 0:11:55.800 --> 0:11:59.760 And yeah, so and you have a significant relationship with 0:11:59.840 --> 0:12:02.040 some a member of your band, right, can we talk 0:12:02.120 --> 0:12:05.920 about that? So I'll let you the floor is yours. 0:12:05.920 --> 0:12:11.440 Then I'll let you explain your relationship with Yeah, continue, No. 0:12:11.600 --> 0:12:14.600 I actually I met one of my band members last 0:12:14.679 --> 0:12:18.600 year and she came to a gig of mine, and 0:12:18.640 --> 0:12:20.320 she didn't know who she was coming to see because 0:12:20.320 --> 0:12:22.760 she was going to see her bass player friend. So 0:12:23.720 --> 0:12:25.720 she was at my gig and then after my show, 0:12:25.760 --> 0:12:28.079 I went to another bar and she was playing at 0:12:28.080 --> 0:12:31.960 that bar and she plays the drums, and I was like, damn, 0:12:32.000 --> 0:12:34.480 like I really need a drummer. So I started talking 0:12:34.480 --> 0:12:37.760 with her and we hit it off, and like didn't 0:12:37.840 --> 0:12:42.120 know that we were going to be together together, but 0:12:42.240 --> 0:12:45.440 we were talking about music and spending hours together and 0:12:45.679 --> 0:12:48.800 like every day we meet up, have coffee, talk music, 0:12:49.040 --> 0:12:53.920 and then we ended up dating. So now I'm a 0:12:53.960 --> 0:12:55.640 girl that dates her drummer. 0:12:57.000 --> 0:12:57.760 I'm one of those is. 0:12:58.440 --> 0:13:03.280 The drummer dating the lead singer could go either way here? Yeah, yeah, 0:13:03.440 --> 0:13:06.000 what's that dynamic like? Because I've had a married couple 0:13:06.040 --> 0:13:08.520 on here, I've had you know, siblings that are in 0:13:08.520 --> 0:13:12.480 the same band on here, So I'm always just so 0:13:12.600 --> 0:13:15.199 interested in what that dynamic is like dating somebody that's 0:13:15.240 --> 0:13:17.280 in your band, because you spend so much time together, 0:13:17.679 --> 0:13:20.280 you go through the bad the good. Like it's it's 0:13:20.280 --> 0:13:22.160 hard enough to work with somebody no matter what you 0:13:22.200 --> 0:13:24.720 do that you're dating or married to. Yeah, and then 0:13:24.720 --> 0:13:26.920 when you're part of a band, like you are really intimate. 0:13:26.920 --> 0:13:29.560 You're not doing separate stuff, you're doing everything together, right, 0:13:29.720 --> 0:13:31.480 So what's that dynamic like for you guys? 0:13:31.720 --> 0:13:34.840 Yeah, it's it's crazy because we really jumped into things 0:13:35.480 --> 0:13:38.640 being in a band. You're like, you're like fam, you're 0:13:38.720 --> 0:13:42.240 family when you're in a band, So we, you know, 0:13:42.280 --> 0:13:44.640 would spend all of our time together. That's all we 0:13:44.679 --> 0:13:47.120 do because I'm either doing music or I'm with her, 0:13:47.320 --> 0:13:52.480 So jumping into that was definitely it was easy, but 0:13:52.520 --> 0:13:55.880 there were hard times, like with things that we agreed 0:13:55.920 --> 0:13:57.160 on and didn't agree on. 0:13:57.240 --> 0:13:59.280 But for the most part, she's very supportive. 0:13:59.280 --> 0:14:02.760 I'm supportive, and we both know that we have this 0:14:03.080 --> 0:14:07.240 higher dream and we could do it together. So that definitely, 0:14:07.960 --> 0:14:09.880 you know, makes it a lot easier to have that 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.720 companion while you're going after this almost impossible dream. 0:14:15.280 --> 0:14:17.720 And what would that dream be for you or you 0:14:17.760 --> 0:14:19.720 and your band? Do you have an ultimate goal? Do 0:14:19.760 --> 0:14:22.280 you have like a bar where you're like, hey, if 0:14:22.280 --> 0:14:24.440 we play here, if we do this or if we 0:14:24.520 --> 0:14:27.040 sign here, then that means we made it. Do you 0:14:27.200 --> 0:14:28.600 have that goal in mind? 0:14:29.080 --> 0:14:32.440 I absolutely do, and I've always wondered. 0:14:32.440 --> 0:14:34.840 This is why I love this podcast because I've always wondered, 0:14:34.880 --> 0:14:38.600 and like was looking for answers all the time and 0:14:39.480 --> 0:14:43.440 just like listening and meeting people and figuring out what 0:14:43.560 --> 0:14:46.320 I want to do. I just didn't know what I 0:14:46.360 --> 0:14:48.920 wanted for a long time, and now I really know. 0:14:49.040 --> 0:14:52.880 I'm like I've always wanted to be the front man, 0:14:53.360 --> 0:14:57.600 playing festivals, going on tour, playing stadiums and playing my 0:14:57.640 --> 0:15:02.320 original music because it's it's a little different, but it 0:15:02.360 --> 0:15:07.040 fits into country. And you know, I'm just a little different. 0:15:07.080 --> 0:15:09.320 I'm not the typical country girl. 0:15:09.520 --> 0:15:10.840 I'm what do you mean by that? 0:15:11.320 --> 0:15:15.280 Because I'm I like girls. So I'm a gay female 0:15:15.320 --> 0:15:19.440 country artist. And for the longest time, I've never felt 0:15:19.440 --> 0:15:23.560 like I fit in or I belonged, And when I 0:15:23.600 --> 0:15:26.040 lived here full time, I just didn't have that. 0:15:27.680 --> 0:15:29.280 Reassurance in my own self. 0:15:29.960 --> 0:15:32.320 So now I finally, like, I came out on social 0:15:32.360 --> 0:15:36.200 media and I just want to own it. And I 0:15:36.320 --> 0:15:39.200 used to write songs in rooms with guys and I'd 0:15:39.240 --> 0:15:42.080 be singing about a boy and like I just knew 0:15:42.560 --> 0:15:46.000 it wasn't right, and I knew that I didn't want 0:15:46.320 --> 0:15:48.440 the world to hear that. So I was never proud 0:15:48.440 --> 0:15:52.040 of my music. And now that I'm finally have my 0:15:52.080 --> 0:15:55.160 own platform, I'm able to be myself. 0:15:55.520 --> 0:15:56.600 And how long ago was that? 0:15:57.600 --> 0:15:59.960 It was about two years ago that I came out. 0:16:00.160 --> 0:16:04.600 So you spent the vast majority of your obviously your life, 0:16:04.600 --> 0:16:06.880 but even just your music career of trying to be 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:07.720 somebody that you're not. 0:16:08.040 --> 0:16:08.920 Yeah, exactly do. 0:16:08.840 --> 0:16:10.920 You feel like that was that reflected in your music? 0:16:11.280 --> 0:16:15.040 Yeah? I reflected in everything. I wasn't happy. I couldn't 0:16:15.040 --> 0:16:16.960 be myself. So how am I going to get on 0:16:17.000 --> 0:16:21.520 stage and let people think or believe in my music 0:16:21.560 --> 0:16:24.760 when I don't even do that? So I'm like, I'm 0:16:24.800 --> 0:16:28.680 over the moon with the music that I have ready 0:16:28.720 --> 0:16:30.120 to come out and record. 0:16:31.040 --> 0:16:34.520 So it's definitely been a struggle for sure. 0:16:35.240 --> 0:16:38.480 What are some of the struggles that you've dealt with since, say, 0:16:38.520 --> 0:16:41.400 coming out. Do you feel like because of that you 0:16:41.440 --> 0:16:43.640 may hit some roadblocks if you will? 0:16:43.960 --> 0:16:46.760 Yeah, you know what, Like I've had meetings and I've 0:16:47.040 --> 0:16:50.240 paid for mentorships and stuff like that, and like people 0:16:50.240 --> 0:16:52.960 told me who I should be what I should wear, 0:16:53.080 --> 0:16:56.440 what I should do, and now, especially in this day 0:16:56.440 --> 0:16:59.280 and age, I feel like you could do anything you 0:16:59.320 --> 0:17:02.560 freaking want, anything at all, Like if you want to 0:17:02.640 --> 0:17:06.400 jump on a pogo stick on TikTok and sing about girls, 0:17:06.480 --> 0:17:10.720 I don't know, Like that's the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, 0:17:10.760 --> 0:17:14.639 you got to get creative. Yeah, I just I feel 0:17:14.640 --> 0:17:18.240 like I could do whatever I want. And honestly, coming 0:17:18.280 --> 0:17:21.760 out on social media was huge because it's like, all right, 0:17:21.760 --> 0:17:23.800 it's out there in the world now I can't go back, 0:17:23.880 --> 0:17:25.400 and I could be proud of who I am. 0:17:25.920 --> 0:17:28.480 So I'm just I'm really happy that I did that. 0:17:29.000 --> 0:17:31.840 I don't know why. For my entire life, I didn't 0:17:31.840 --> 0:17:34.439 want to. I mean, part of it was because my 0:17:34.520 --> 0:17:38.199 parents are not okay with it. Now they are and 0:17:38.240 --> 0:17:41.600 they're the most supportive parents in the entire world, especially 0:17:41.600 --> 0:17:44.520 with music, But for a long time they didn't support 0:17:44.840 --> 0:17:45.840 my relationship. 0:17:46.160 --> 0:17:47.840 You know, did you come out to them before you 0:17:47.880 --> 0:17:50.480 ever came out to the world. Yeah, okay, how long before? 0:17:50.760 --> 0:17:52.199 Oh my gosh, like eight years? 0:17:52.480 --> 0:17:56.000 Oh wow? Yeah, So so they knew for eight years? 0:17:56.560 --> 0:18:01.000 Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, because they weren't okay with it. 0:18:01.119 --> 0:18:04.680 And you know, now that the world knows, like, you can't, 0:18:04.920 --> 0:18:09.359 you can't take that back, And it was really really hard, 0:18:10.200 --> 0:18:14.160 but now they're totally cool with it, like Coole as parents. 0:18:14.240 --> 0:18:16.640 How long did that take them to kind of adjust 0:18:16.640 --> 0:18:18.080 to it and accept it? 0:18:18.520 --> 0:18:24.520 Probably I mean nine or ten years, like oh well, yeah, okay, yeah, so. 0:18:24.520 --> 0:18:26.240 You've did you ever feel like you were kind of 0:18:26.240 --> 0:18:28.840 out there on your on your own? I mean both 0:18:28.960 --> 0:18:32.119 musically and personally as well, So that had to be 0:18:32.320 --> 0:18:36.320 a compile onto everything just to make this struggle even harder. 0:18:36.600 --> 0:18:38.639 Yeah, it was weird because I knew how much my 0:18:38.680 --> 0:18:42.600 parents love me, but I knew how they weren't okay 0:18:42.600 --> 0:18:44.639 with that, And I think it was more of like, 0:18:45.560 --> 0:18:48.480 you know, our daughter is gay, Like they didn't want 0:18:48.520 --> 0:18:52.240 to want people to know. So now that everyone does, 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.160 and everyone's like, we're so proud of like your daughter 0:18:56.200 --> 0:18:59.040 and who she is and that she's following her dreams. 0:18:59.080 --> 0:19:02.600 And I have an older other and he tells me 0:19:02.640 --> 0:19:06.480 all the time. He's like, most people don't follow their dreams, 0:19:06.520 --> 0:19:09.400