1 00:00:10,160 --> 00:00:12,560 Speaker 1: Right now talking for another episode of Unsigned and Independent 2 00:00:12,840 --> 00:00:16,600 Speaker 1: with Kickoff Kevin. It's season two episode eleven, Kevin. 3 00:00:16,680 --> 00:00:17,360 Speaker 2: What is her name? 4 00:00:17,720 --> 00:00:18,440 Speaker 3: Jessica Rose? 5 00:00:18,520 --> 00:00:21,040 Speaker 1: What about her made you go? Dang, I'm interested in her. 6 00:00:21,120 --> 00:00:23,239 Speaker 3: I came across her on Instagram, saw her music, saw 7 00:00:23,239 --> 00:00:25,480 Speaker 3: her perform a little bit, and I said, I need 8 00:00:25,480 --> 00:00:26,360 Speaker 3: to find out more about her. 9 00:00:26,400 --> 00:00:30,280 Speaker 1: So Unsigned and Independent is a show Kevin does with 10 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:32,839 Speaker 1: artists who really have something cool about them. They just 11 00:00:33,360 --> 00:00:36,320 Speaker 1: haven't been signed yet for whatever reason, and mostly they're 12 00:00:36,400 --> 00:00:37,599 Speaker 1: funding everything themselves. 13 00:00:37,760 --> 00:00:38,760 Speaker 3: Yes, so we do this show. 14 00:00:38,800 --> 00:00:40,239 Speaker 1: So if you like their music, you can support them 15 00:00:40,240 --> 00:00:42,479 Speaker 1: by listening to the music, going to live shows, buying 16 00:00:42,520 --> 00:00:45,120 Speaker 1: merch is a big deal. Jessica is moving back to 17 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,880 Speaker 1: Nashville next year. She doesn't live here now, not full time, 18 00:00:48,159 --> 00:00:50,600 Speaker 1: so she works part time lovest here. 19 00:00:50,680 --> 00:00:52,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, she comes here in the fall, but still does 20 00:00:52,400 --> 00:00:53,880 Speaker 3: a lot of stuff back at home in New Jersey. 21 00:00:54,160 --> 00:00:54,520 Speaker 2: Dang. 22 00:00:54,720 --> 00:00:57,600 Speaker 1: Yeah, okay, so here she is. She talks about American 23 00:00:57,640 --> 00:01:00,280 Speaker 1: Idol as a teenager, so she isn't a really ship 24 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:01,360 Speaker 1: one for band members too. 25 00:01:01,200 --> 00:01:04,240 Speaker 2: Which is odd. You're like the boss, Yes, that's what 26 00:01:04,760 --> 00:01:05,000 Speaker 2: it's like. 27 00:01:05,040 --> 00:01:08,880 Speaker 1: The Carli Pierce thing with her drummer like, she's his boss, Like, 28 00:01:08,920 --> 00:01:09,920 Speaker 1: what's the power dynamic? 29 00:01:10,000 --> 00:01:11,440 Speaker 3: Really, that's that's what I was in. 30 00:01:11,560 --> 00:01:12,399 Speaker 2: She's his boss. 31 00:01:12,840 --> 00:01:15,880 Speaker 1: So that's not for this episode here, but that's what's up. 32 00:01:16,040 --> 00:01:19,800 Speaker 1: This is Jessica Rose, unsigned, an independent, and you can 33 00:01:19,800 --> 00:01:22,240 Speaker 1: follow Kevin on Instagram at kick Off. 34 00:01:22,120 --> 00:01:26,000 Speaker 3: Kevin, Jessica, I noticed when you drove in here you 35 00:01:26,040 --> 00:01:29,040 Speaker 3: had Louisiana plates. Yeah, I'm not gonna give out your 36 00:01:29,080 --> 00:01:33,560 Speaker 3: license plate here, but you had Louisiana plates. But so 37 00:01:33,600 --> 00:01:35,640 Speaker 3: where are you from? Because I read Jersey, I read Nashville, 38 00:01:35,640 --> 00:01:36,800 Speaker 3: and now I see Louisiana. 39 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:37,520 Speaker 2: Oh my god. 40 00:01:37,600 --> 00:01:42,639 Speaker 3: And so where's home or well, home is Nashville now right, Okay, 41 00:01:42,680 --> 00:01:43,960 Speaker 3: But where'd you grow up? 42 00:01:44,160 --> 00:01:47,080 Speaker 4: So I grew up in New York originally, and then 43 00:01:47,120 --> 00:01:52,240 Speaker 4: I became a Jersey girl. Right now, I'm not living 44 00:01:52,320 --> 00:01:56,480 Speaker 4: living in Nashville. I actually woke up today on a 45 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:58,279 Speaker 4: mattress on the floor at my friend's house. 46 00:01:58,400 --> 00:01:58,720 Speaker 3: What. 47 00:01:59,240 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 4: Yeah, I'm staying at his house and he has this 48 00:02:02,400 --> 00:02:05,760 Speaker 4: bare bedroom, so he gave me a mattress. That's what 49 00:02:05,840 --> 00:02:08,600 Speaker 4: I'm sleeping on right now. I am going to move 50 00:02:08,639 --> 00:02:14,360 Speaker 4: back to Nashville in January, so right before COVID, I 51 00:02:14,480 --> 00:02:17,640 Speaker 4: moved to Jersey. I was playing in Nashville, and then 52 00:02:17,639 --> 00:02:20,359 Speaker 4: I had no gigs left, so I was like, I 53 00:02:20,400 --> 00:02:20,960 Speaker 4: guess this is. 54 00:02:20,919 --> 00:02:22,760 Speaker 2: Time to now move back home. 55 00:02:23,520 --> 00:02:26,120 Speaker 4: So when I was in Jersey, I was doing like 56 00:02:26,160 --> 00:02:29,960 Speaker 4: Facebook lives and stuff for forever, it seemed like during COVID, 57 00:02:30,160 --> 00:02:32,520 Speaker 4: and I just never moved back to Nashville. So I 58 00:02:32,560 --> 00:02:36,000 Speaker 4: always stay with friends when i'm here, and yeah, so 59 00:02:36,639 --> 00:02:37,680 Speaker 4: the mattress. 60 00:02:37,280 --> 00:02:40,240 Speaker 2: Life is not for me anymore. 61 00:02:40,480 --> 00:02:42,880 Speaker 4: So I'm definitely going to get a place to live 62 00:02:42,919 --> 00:02:44,080 Speaker 4: here in January. 63 00:02:44,200 --> 00:02:46,680 Speaker 3: So you are like the true definition of you know, 64 00:02:46,760 --> 00:02:49,200 Speaker 3: trying to make it, And how often are you coming 65 00:02:49,240 --> 00:02:49,760 Speaker 3: to Nashville? 66 00:02:49,800 --> 00:02:53,799 Speaker 4: Then I usually spend the fall here, okay, fall spring? 67 00:02:54,320 --> 00:02:58,560 Speaker 4: Last last spring met my band got an airbnb, like 68 00:02:58,160 --> 00:03:01,000 Speaker 4: a like a short term rental, So we got an 69 00:03:01,040 --> 00:03:04,480 Speaker 4: airbnb for two months last spring. But I'm ready to 70 00:03:04,720 --> 00:03:07,560 Speaker 4: move back because I spent all of like my early 71 00:03:07,600 --> 00:03:12,359 Speaker 4: twenties living in Nashville, playing downtown and I loved it. 72 00:03:12,400 --> 00:03:14,360 Speaker 4: But then when COVID hit, I had no gigs and 73 00:03:14,400 --> 00:03:18,520 Speaker 4: I'm a full time musician, so I had no choice 74 00:03:18,560 --> 00:03:19,480 Speaker 4: but to move back home. 75 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:22,120 Speaker 3: And did you get any gigs? Obviously, everything was shut down, 76 00:03:22,160 --> 00:03:24,440 Speaker 3: so maybe not any gigs, but were you able to 77 00:03:24,919 --> 00:03:28,640 Speaker 3: provide for yourself back in Jersey different way or through music. 78 00:03:28,800 --> 00:03:31,440 Speaker 4: I moved in with my family, so I didn't have 79 00:03:31,480 --> 00:03:34,440 Speaker 4: any overhead for the most part, and I was doing 80 00:03:34,480 --> 00:03:35,320 Speaker 4: live videos. 81 00:03:36,160 --> 00:03:40,240 Speaker 2: I gained a good Facebook following doing that, and then once. 82 00:03:40,120 --> 00:03:43,200 Speaker 4: Gigs started, I was playing on boats like people when 83 00:03:43,240 --> 00:03:46,280 Speaker 4: COVID was happening and we were getting back into things 84 00:03:46,280 --> 00:03:47,680 Speaker 4: like people would say, do you want to come play 85 00:03:47,680 --> 00:03:50,480 Speaker 4: on my boat? It's outside, and you know, just trying 86 00:03:50,480 --> 00:03:53,240 Speaker 4: to make ends meet. So I definitely had the luxury 87 00:03:53,280 --> 00:03:56,840 Speaker 4: of living back home and not having like a mortgage 88 00:03:56,960 --> 00:03:59,920 Speaker 4: or rent. So for me that worked out. But now 89 00:04:00,080 --> 00:04:01,720 Speaker 4: I'm a big girl, so I need my place. 90 00:04:03,040 --> 00:04:04,600 Speaker 3: But what are your parents think about that? Are they 91 00:04:04,600 --> 00:04:06,040 Speaker 3: going to say, I mean, are you living with them 92 00:04:06,120 --> 00:04:06,360 Speaker 3: right now? 93 00:04:06,480 --> 00:04:06,640 Speaker 2: Or no? 94 00:04:07,040 --> 00:04:09,200 Speaker 3: Yeah, okay, okay, So they're going to be upset or 95 00:04:09,280 --> 00:04:11,520 Speaker 3: sad when you when you got to go come in 96 00:04:11,560 --> 00:04:13,040 Speaker 3: this winter? Are they kind of like, all right, it's 97 00:04:13,080 --> 00:04:14,680 Speaker 3: time now you need you need to move on with 98 00:04:14,720 --> 00:04:15,320 Speaker 3: your life here. 99 00:04:15,720 --> 00:04:18,120 Speaker 4: They wouldn't want me to live with them until you know, 100 00:04:18,200 --> 00:04:22,440 Speaker 4: I'm eighty years old. I'm a good roommate there you go. 101 00:04:23,240 --> 00:04:25,080 Speaker 2: Yeah, so I pretty much. 102 00:04:25,200 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 4: I'm just I'm so excited to get back to living 103 00:04:27,760 --> 00:04:31,719 Speaker 4: in Nashville. I so the Louisiana car is a rental. 104 00:04:31,440 --> 00:04:32,560 Speaker 3: Car, gotcha? 105 00:04:32,720 --> 00:04:36,560 Speaker 4: And yeah, I moved here to Nashville in twenty thirteen, 106 00:04:37,440 --> 00:04:40,080 Speaker 4: and I went to Belmont University my last two years. 107 00:04:40,960 --> 00:04:42,520 Speaker 3: Okay, so that was pretty cool. 108 00:04:43,160 --> 00:04:46,680 Speaker 4: And then I just started playing downtown, which everyone advised 109 00:04:46,680 --> 00:04:47,480 Speaker 4: me not to do. 110 00:04:48,600 --> 00:04:51,240 Speaker 2: And I said, I moved to Nashville because I want 111 00:04:51,240 --> 00:04:52,080 Speaker 2: to do music. 112 00:04:52,240 --> 00:04:55,520 Speaker 3: So did you go to Belmont as a musician or 113 00:04:55,560 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 3: as like an engineer or producer? 114 00:04:57,720 --> 00:05:02,000 Speaker 4: I studied music business, Okay, yeah, not as like a songwriter. 115 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:05,440 Speaker 4: I just, you know, me being naive. I'm like, you 116 00:05:05,480 --> 00:05:07,719 Speaker 4: can't teach how to write a song. I mean those 117 00:05:07,720 --> 00:05:09,040 Speaker 4: classes definitely would have helped. 118 00:05:09,160 --> 00:05:11,039 Speaker 3: Yeah, they have actual classes like that. 119 00:05:11,279 --> 00:05:12,840 Speaker 2: Yeah, have you. 120 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:14,320 Speaker 3: Ever taken anything like that? 121 00:05:15,120 --> 00:05:19,240 Speaker 4: I've done like retreats, songwriting retreats and kind of like, 122 00:05:19,279 --> 00:05:20,960 Speaker 4: I'm gonna be doing a lot of that in the fall. 123 00:05:21,400 --> 00:05:24,839 Speaker 3: Because how does that like? Because to me, I've never 124 00:05:24,880 --> 00:05:26,320 Speaker 3: written a song. I would love to write a song 125 00:05:26,360 --> 00:05:27,880 Speaker 3: one day. I mean, I just think it'd be fun. 126 00:05:27,880 --> 00:05:30,039 Speaker 3: I've said it on here before that. I would like 127 00:05:30,080 --> 00:05:32,280 Speaker 3: to be part of like a writer's around, like a room, 128 00:05:32,520 --> 00:05:34,719 Speaker 3: just to sit there and watch how a song comes about, 129 00:05:34,720 --> 00:05:36,560 Speaker 3: because I've never seen it. You just see the end product, 130 00:05:36,560 --> 00:05:38,640 Speaker 3: and they know there's so much work that goes into it, right, 131 00:05:39,760 --> 00:05:42,040 Speaker 3: So I can't imagine. So, say you say a writer's 132 00:05:42,040 --> 00:05:46,720 Speaker 3: retreat or even this taking a class, like what are 133 00:05:46,720 --> 00:05:48,800 Speaker 3: they are they teaching you? Like when you say how 134 00:05:48,839 --> 00:05:50,479 Speaker 3: to write a song? What does that really mean? 135 00:05:51,200 --> 00:05:51,440 Speaker 2: Yeah? 136 00:05:51,480 --> 00:05:54,320 Speaker 4: I mean I've done stuff with NSAI, so they have 137 00:05:54,480 --> 00:05:57,960 Speaker 4: like a songwriting camp and you could go and hit 138 00:05:58,040 --> 00:06:00,800 Speaker 4: songwriters will come in and talk about their experiences. 139 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,440 Speaker 2: But I feel like it's either in you or it's not. 140 00:06:04,320 --> 00:06:05,200 Speaker 2: That's how I feel. 141 00:06:05,520 --> 00:06:07,120 Speaker 3: That's how I feel too, because I'm like, I've never 142 00:06:07,120 --> 00:06:10,440 Speaker 3: written one, and I don't feel like it's really Maybe 143 00:06:10,440 --> 00:06:12,039 Speaker 3: it is, I guess I don't know. You never know 144 00:06:12,240 --> 00:06:13,920 Speaker 3: until you try. But that just seems like it's such 145 00:06:13,960 --> 00:06:18,680 Speaker 3: a personal thing almost where it's like teaching somebody to 146 00:06:18,760 --> 00:06:21,320 Speaker 3: do that. And I guess obviously it works at Belmont, 147 00:06:21,400 --> 00:06:23,000 Speaker 3: but it just seems like something that would just be 148 00:06:23,080 --> 00:06:25,560 Speaker 3: so like individualized. Each person would be so different and 149 00:06:25,600 --> 00:06:27,120 Speaker 3: be already it's a class about that. 150 00:06:27,680 --> 00:06:29,799 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think that would be very hard. 151 00:06:30,080 --> 00:06:32,599 Speaker 4: I write songs about my life and about my friend's life, 152 00:06:32,640 --> 00:06:33,679 Speaker 4: so right, you can't. 153 00:06:34,120 --> 00:06:35,520 Speaker 2: You have to go out there and just live your 154 00:06:35,560 --> 00:06:36,320 Speaker 2: life and then a song. 155 00:06:36,640 --> 00:06:39,200 Speaker 3: Do you like writing songs more or performing? 156 00:06:40,200 --> 00:06:44,480 Speaker 4: I like performing more, and that was like the biggest 157 00:06:44,480 --> 00:06:47,520 Speaker 4: thing for when I moved to town. I just wanted 158 00:06:47,600 --> 00:06:52,320 Speaker 4: to perform, and I was playing like eight hour days downtown. 159 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:57,479 Speaker 4: Totally burnt myself out, but I leave there with a 160 00:06:57,480 --> 00:06:59,960 Speaker 4: couple hundred bucks and I'm like, wow, like I did it. 161 00:07:00,080 --> 00:07:03,760 Speaker 4: You know, I played downtown and I'm making money. But 162 00:07:04,839 --> 00:07:07,120 Speaker 4: I've come to realize that it's all about the songs, 163 00:07:07,279 --> 00:07:08,520 Speaker 4: all about the original music. 164 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:10,480 Speaker 2: So it took me a while to learn that. 165 00:07:10,920 --> 00:07:13,960 Speaker 4: But now I know I just have to write music, 166 00:07:14,080 --> 00:07:17,520 Speaker 4: keep my head down and write right right, and you know, 167 00:07:17,560 --> 00:07:18,800 Speaker 4: eventually things will happen. 168 00:07:19,040 --> 00:07:21,080 Speaker 3: When you say it's all about the original music, are 169 00:07:21,080 --> 00:07:22,960 Speaker 3: you saying like, if you want to really make something 170 00:07:22,960 --> 00:07:25,000 Speaker 3: out of yourself or you and your band, then you 171 00:07:25,000 --> 00:07:27,080 Speaker 3: got to write your own songs, perform your own songs, 172 00:07:27,080 --> 00:07:28,720 Speaker 3: and it's got to be it's got to catch on. 173 00:07:28,800 --> 00:07:30,480 Speaker 3: Is that what you mean by that? Yeah, so you 174 00:07:30,480 --> 00:07:33,880 Speaker 3: can only play so many cover songs before you're like, Okay, 175 00:07:33,920 --> 00:07:35,120 Speaker 3: I need to start doing my own thing. 176 00:07:35,360 --> 00:07:36,480 Speaker 2: That's what I've come to learn. 177 00:07:36,520 --> 00:07:39,679 Speaker 4: I think, you know, from I moved here in twenty thirteen, 178 00:07:39,840 --> 00:07:42,520 Speaker 4: so from what I've learned throughout the years, it all 179 00:07:42,560 --> 00:07:43,440 Speaker 4: starts with the song. 180 00:07:43,760 --> 00:07:46,120 Speaker 2: And I didn't believe it at first, but now I know. 181 00:07:47,000 --> 00:07:49,400 Speaker 4: You know, if you post an original song or someone 182 00:07:49,440 --> 00:07:51,880 Speaker 4: hears it and they connect with it, if it goes viral, 183 00:07:53,600 --> 00:07:55,720 Speaker 4: I think that's that's what it's about, a song that 184 00:07:55,720 --> 00:07:56,520 Speaker 4: connects with people. 185 00:07:56,600 --> 00:07:59,240 Speaker 3: Do you remember the first song you ever wrote? What 186 00:07:59,320 --> 00:07:59,920 Speaker 3: was it called. 187 00:08:01,320 --> 00:08:02,440 Speaker 2: All I Ever Wanted? 188 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 4: And I actually sang it on national television what oh 189 00:08:07,760 --> 00:08:12,640 Speaker 4: my yeah, like a contest. I sang it on American 190 00:08:12,680 --> 00:08:18,440 Speaker 4: Idol Nice Oh my gosh. I was seventeen, and it 191 00:08:18,600 --> 00:08:21,120 Speaker 4: was a crazy season. It was when like Nicki Minaj 192 00:08:21,280 --> 00:08:26,400 Speaker 4: was on, Keith Urban was on too really, and they said, 193 00:08:26,400 --> 00:08:28,320 Speaker 4: do you have any original music? I don't know why 194 00:08:28,360 --> 00:08:31,280 Speaker 4: they asked me that, and I said, yeah, I do. Meanwhile, 195 00:08:31,280 --> 00:08:33,200 Speaker 4: it was just half of a song, so like I 196 00:08:33,200 --> 00:08:36,560 Speaker 4: didn't really have an actual song, but it. 197 00:08:36,440 --> 00:08:38,080 Speaker 2: Was like, oh I don't wanted. 198 00:08:38,280 --> 00:08:41,360 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was like such a corny tune and I 199 00:08:41,360 --> 00:08:42,199 Speaker 4: didn't make it through. 200 00:08:44,040 --> 00:08:45,959 Speaker 3: Have you ever seen that song? Did you ever sing 201 00:08:46,000 --> 00:08:47,599 Speaker 3: it again, like in front of an audience or no? 202 00:08:47,800 --> 00:08:51,200 Speaker 3: Or did that song kind of going out of regard me? Really? 203 00:08:52,240 --> 00:08:53,240 Speaker 3: Oh that sucks? 204 00:08:53,520 --> 00:08:57,480 Speaker 4: No, it's cute, but I realized, Okay, I really get 205 00:08:57,559 --> 00:09:01,800 Speaker 4: to like work on my career. And I didn't know 206 00:09:01,920 --> 00:09:04,720 Speaker 4: this is what I wanted to do until I got 207 00:09:04,720 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 4: told no on national television and cried ooh. 208 00:09:08,840 --> 00:09:10,920 Speaker 3: And how long after that did you move to Nashville? 209 00:09:11,240 --> 00:09:12,000 Speaker 2: Three years later? 210 00:09:12,120 --> 00:09:14,679 Speaker 3: Okay? Yeah, and you're so you're in Nashville for a 211 00:09:14,679 --> 00:09:16,840 Speaker 3: little while, moved back, and now you're trying to move back. 212 00:09:16,920 --> 00:09:20,800 Speaker 3: But you've been on your Instagram and every video where 213 00:09:20,800 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 3: you're playing it seems like you're playing somewhere different, you know, 214 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:26,880 Speaker 3: whether it's in a basement somewhere or outdoor somewhere, or 215 00:09:27,360 --> 00:09:30,000 Speaker 3: every stage, every setting is different, which is how it's 216 00:09:30,040 --> 00:09:31,800 Speaker 3: supposed to be for an artist. What is that road 217 00:09:31,920 --> 00:09:34,079 Speaker 3: like for you? Are you constantly on the road other 218 00:09:34,120 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: than just going from Jersey to Nashville? Are you constantly 219 00:09:37,760 --> 00:09:39,959 Speaker 3: performing in different places and trying to find these gigs 220 00:09:40,000 --> 00:09:41,480 Speaker 3: on your own as an independent artist? 221 00:09:41,720 --> 00:09:45,160 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I do all my booking, like everything myself. 222 00:09:45,480 --> 00:09:48,800 Speaker 4: So I just placed a merch order, I designed my 223 00:09:48,880 --> 00:09:52,600 Speaker 4: merch I'm writing my songs. I'm like trying to produce 224 00:09:53,520 --> 00:09:57,480 Speaker 4: and I'm booking. So it's a lot of computer work, 225 00:09:57,520 --> 00:10:00,360 Speaker 4: which I thought, like being a songwriter an artist, that'd 226 00:10:00,360 --> 00:10:02,880 Speaker 4: be fun. And like I'm just like on my laptop 227 00:10:02,920 --> 00:10:06,080 Speaker 4: for hours a day just trying to get opportunities or 228 00:10:06,760 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 4: you know, just mapping out a tour. So yeah, I've 229 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:14,080 Speaker 4: been on the road a lot, and I've been trying 230 00:10:14,120 --> 00:10:17,000 Speaker 4: to play more festivals, which is really cool. So I've 231 00:10:17,040 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 4: been in my niece on rogue. It has a lot 232 00:10:19,720 --> 00:10:20,480 Speaker 4: of miles on it. 233 00:10:20,920 --> 00:10:27,240 Speaker 3: You go there, you go, is it you? You have 234 00:10:27,280 --> 00:10:28,520 Speaker 3: a band? You have a full band? 235 00:10:28,559 --> 00:10:28,679 Speaker 4: Right? 236 00:10:28,679 --> 00:10:29,320 Speaker 3: How many members? 237 00:10:29,520 --> 00:10:30,199 Speaker 2: There's four of us? 238 00:10:30,280 --> 00:10:33,079 Speaker 3: Okay, So you talk about this booking and everything, is 239 00:10:33,120 --> 00:10:34,560 Speaker 3: that everybody kind of has their own role. 240 00:10:35,600 --> 00:10:38,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean not. They try to help, for sure, 241 00:10:39,200 --> 00:10:40,640 Speaker 2: they're always willing to help. 242 00:10:40,720 --> 00:10:44,840 Speaker 4: Like my bass player is producing a lot now and 243 00:10:45,320 --> 00:10:47,920 Speaker 4: everyone's trying to help. But at the end of the day, 244 00:10:47,960 --> 00:10:50,240 Speaker 4: I'm doing everything because it's my name. So it's not 245 00:10:50,320 --> 00:10:56,240 Speaker 4: like Jessica Rose Band, It's Jessica Rose, So I'm mapping 246 00:10:56,280 --> 00:10:59,080 Speaker 4: everything out, but they're definitely always willing to help. 247 00:10:59,320 --> 00:11:01,920 Speaker 3: How did you and your form out here in Nashville or. 248 00:11:02,200 --> 00:11:05,760 Speaker 4: We actually all met in Jersey and New York. I 249 00:11:05,800 --> 00:11:08,840 Speaker 4: met my guitarist actually at the guitar shop that I 250 00:11:08,880 --> 00:11:13,240 Speaker 4: took my first lessons at, and he became my guitarist 251 00:11:13,320 --> 00:11:17,760 Speaker 4: years later. And then this last year I met my drummer, 252 00:11:17,840 --> 00:11:22,240 Speaker 4: my bass player. So we met in Jersey. We instantly 253 00:11:22,280 --> 00:11:26,559 Speaker 4: became like best friends, homies. And now, yeah, they're coming 254 00:11:26,600 --> 00:11:28,839 Speaker 4: to Nashville and we're going to do this thing. 255 00:11:28,920 --> 00:11:31,320 Speaker 3: So they're not here right now. No, Okay, where's your 256 00:11:31,320 --> 00:11:33,320 Speaker 3: guys next stop after this or from here? 257 00:11:33,720 --> 00:11:36,160 Speaker 4: At the end of the year, we're doing a few 258 00:11:36,240 --> 00:11:40,280 Speaker 4: Jersey shows and playing a few writers rounds here, and 259 00:11:40,320 --> 00:11:45,080 Speaker 4: then next year we're going to be doing Alred downtown. 260 00:11:45,080 --> 00:11:46,880 Speaker 2: We're playing Old Red who we're playing there in a 261 00:11:46,920 --> 00:11:47,480 Speaker 2: few weeks. 262 00:11:48,800 --> 00:11:51,600 Speaker 4: They've been super cool because Alred has a few locations 263 00:11:51,640 --> 00:11:54,959 Speaker 4: and they're connected with the Opry, so I've known them 264 00:11:54,960 --> 00:11:55,760 Speaker 4: for a few years. 265 00:11:55,800 --> 00:11:59,760 Speaker 3: And yeah, so and you have a significant relationship with 266 00:11:59,840 --> 00:12:02,040 Speaker 3: some a member of your band, right, can we talk 267 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:05,920 Speaker 3: about that? So I'll let you the floor is yours. 268 00:12:05,920 --> 00:12:11,440 Speaker 3: Then I'll let you explain your relationship with Yeah, continue, No. 269 00:12:11,600 --> 00:12:14,600 Speaker 4: I actually I met one of my band members last 270 00:12:14,679 --> 00:12:18,600 Speaker 4: year and she came to a gig of mine, and 271 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:20,320 Speaker 4: she didn't know who she was coming to see because 272 00:12:20,320 --> 00:12:22,760 Speaker 4: she was going to see her bass player friend. So 273 00:12:23,720 --> 00:12:25,720 Speaker 4: she was at my gig and then after my show, 274 00:12:25,760 --> 00:12:28,079 Speaker 4: I went to another bar and she was playing at 275 00:12:28,080 --> 00:12:31,960 Speaker 4: that bar and she plays the drums, and I was like, damn, 276 00:12:32,000 --> 00:12:34,480 Speaker 4: like I really need a drummer. So I started talking 277 00:12:34,480 --> 00:12:37,760 Speaker 4: with her and we hit it off, and like didn't 278 00:12:37,840 --> 00:12:42,120 Speaker 4: know that we were going to be together together, but 279 00:12:42,240 --> 00:12:45,440 Speaker 4: we were talking about music and spending hours together and 280 00:12:45,679 --> 00:12:48,800 Speaker 4: like every day we meet up, have coffee, talk music, 281 00:12:49,040 --> 00:12:53,920 Speaker 4: and then we ended up dating. So now I'm a 282 00:12:53,960 --> 00:12:55,640 Speaker 4: girl that dates her drummer. 283 00:12:57,000 --> 00:12:57,760 Speaker 2: I'm one of those is. 284 00:12:58,440 --> 00:13:03,280 Speaker 3: The drummer dating the lead singer could go either way here? Yeah, yeah, 285 00:13:03,440 --> 00:13:06,000 Speaker 3: what's that dynamic like? Because I've had a married couple 286 00:13:06,040 --> 00:13:08,520 Speaker 3: on here, I've had you know, siblings that are in 287 00:13:08,520 --> 00:13:12,480 Speaker 3: the same band on here, So I'm always just so 288 00:13:12,600 --> 00:13:15,199 Speaker 3: interested in what that dynamic is like dating somebody that's 289 00:13:15,240 --> 00:13:17,280 Speaker 3: in your band, because you spend so much time together, 290 00:13:17,679 --> 00:13:20,280 Speaker 3: you go through the bad the good. Like it's it's 291 00:13:20,280 --> 00:13:22,160 Speaker 3: hard enough to work with somebody no matter what you 292 00:13:22,200 --> 00:13:24,720 Speaker 3: do that you're dating or married to. Yeah, and then 293 00:13:24,720 --> 00:13:26,920 Speaker 3: when you're part of a band, like you are really intimate. 294 00:13:26,920 --> 00:13:29,560 Speaker 3: You're not doing separate stuff, you're doing everything together, right, 295 00:13:29,720 --> 00:13:31,480 Speaker 3: So what's that dynamic like for you guys? 296 00:13:31,720 --> 00:13:34,840 Speaker 4: Yeah, it's it's crazy because we really jumped into things 297 00:13:35,480 --> 00:13:38,640 Speaker 4: being in a band. You're like, you're like fam, you're 298 00:13:38,720 --> 00:13:42,240 Speaker 4: family when you're in a band, So we, you know, 299 00:13:42,280 --> 00:13:44,640 Speaker 4: would spend all of our time together. That's all we 300 00:13:44,679 --> 00:13:47,120 Speaker 4: do because I'm either doing music or I'm with her, 301 00:13:47,320 --> 00:13:52,480 Speaker 4: So jumping into that was definitely it was easy, but 302 00:13:52,520 --> 00:13:55,880 Speaker 4: there were hard times, like with things that we agreed 303 00:13:55,920 --> 00:13:57,160 Speaker 4: on and didn't agree on. 304 00:13:57,240 --> 00:13:59,280 Speaker 2: But for the most part, she's very supportive. 305 00:13:59,280 --> 00:14:02,760 Speaker 4: I'm supportive, and we both know that we have this 306 00:14:03,080 --> 00:14:07,240 Speaker 4: higher dream and we could do it together. So that definitely, 307 00:14:07,960 --> 00:14:09,880 Speaker 4: you know, makes it a lot easier to have that 308 00:14:09,920 --> 00:14:14,720 Speaker 4: companion while you're going after this almost impossible dream. 309 00:14:15,280 --> 00:14:17,720 Speaker 3: And what would that dream be for you or you 310 00:14:17,760 --> 00:14:19,720 Speaker 3: and your band? Do you have an ultimate goal? Do 311 00:14:19,760 --> 00:14:22,280 Speaker 3: you have like a bar where you're like, hey, if 312 00:14:22,280 --> 00:14:24,440 Speaker 3: we play here, if we do this or if we 313 00:14:24,520 --> 00:14:27,040 Speaker 3: sign here, then that means we made it. Do you 314 00:14:27,200 --> 00:14:28,600 Speaker 3: have that goal in mind? 315 00:14:29,080 --> 00:14:32,440 Speaker 2: I absolutely do, and I've always wondered. 316 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:34,840 Speaker 4: This is why I love this podcast because I've always wondered, 317 00:14:34,880 --> 00:14:38,600 Speaker 4: and like was looking for answers all the time and 318 00:14:39,480 --> 00:14:43,440 Speaker 4: just like listening and meeting people and figuring out what 319 00:14:43,560 --> 00:14:46,320 Speaker 4: I want to do. I just didn't know what I 320 00:14:46,360 --> 00:14:48,920 Speaker 4: wanted for a long time, and now I really know. 321 00:14:49,040 --> 00:14:52,880 Speaker 4: I'm like I've always wanted to be the front man, 322 00:14:53,360 --> 00:14:57,600 Speaker 4: playing festivals, going on tour, playing stadiums and playing my 323 00:14:57,640 --> 00:15:02,320 Speaker 4: original music because it's it's a little different, but it 324 00:15:02,360 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 4: fits into country. And you know, I'm just a little different. 325 00:15:07,080 --> 00:15:09,320 Speaker 4: I'm not the typical country girl. 326 00:15:09,520 --> 00:15:10,840 Speaker 3: I'm what do you mean by that? 327 00:15:11,320 --> 00:15:15,280 Speaker 4: Because I'm I like girls. So I'm a gay female 328 00:15:15,320 --> 00:15:19,440 Speaker 4: country artist. And for the longest time, I've never felt 329 00:15:19,440 --> 00:15:23,560 Speaker 4: like I fit in or I belonged, And when I 330 00:15:23,600 --> 00:15:26,040 Speaker 4: lived here full time, I just didn't have that. 331 00:15:27,680 --> 00:15:29,280 Speaker 2: Reassurance in my own self. 332 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:32,320 Speaker 4: So now I finally, like, I came out on social 333 00:15:32,360 --> 00:15:36,200 Speaker 4: media and I just want to own it. And I 334 00:15:36,320 --> 00:15:39,200 Speaker 4: used to write songs in rooms with guys and I'd 335 00:15:39,240 --> 00:15:42,080 Speaker 4: be singing about a boy and like I just knew 336 00:15:42,560 --> 00:15:46,000 Speaker 4: it wasn't right, and I knew that I didn't want 337 00:15:46,320 --> 00:15:48,440 Speaker 4: the world to hear that. So I was never proud 338 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,040 Speaker 4: of my music. And now that I'm finally have my 339 00:15:52,080 --> 00:15:55,160 Speaker 4: own platform, I'm able to be myself. 340 00:15:55,520 --> 00:15:56,600 Speaker 3: And how long ago was that? 341 00:15:57,600 --> 00:15:59,960 Speaker 2: It was about two years ago that I came out. 342 00:16:00,160 --> 00:16:04,600 Speaker 3: So you spent the vast majority of your obviously your life, 343 00:16:04,600 --> 00:16:06,880 Speaker 3: but even just your music career of trying to be 344 00:16:06,960 --> 00:16:07,720 Speaker 3: somebody that you're not. 345 00:16:08,040 --> 00:16:08,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, exactly do. 346 00:16:08,840 --> 00:16:10,920 Speaker 3: You feel like that was that reflected in your music? 347 00:16:11,280 --> 00:16:15,040 Speaker 4: Yeah? I reflected in everything. I wasn't happy. I couldn't 348 00:16:15,040 --> 00:16:16,960 Speaker 4: be myself. So how am I going to get on 349 00:16:17,000 --> 00:16:21,520 Speaker 4: stage and let people think or believe in my music 350 00:16:21,560 --> 00:16:24,760 Speaker 4: when I don't even do that? So I'm like, I'm 351 00:16:24,800 --> 00:16:28,680 Speaker 4: over the moon with the music that I have ready 352 00:16:28,720 --> 00:16:30,120 Speaker 4: to come out and record. 353 00:16:31,040 --> 00:16:34,520 Speaker 2: So it's definitely been a struggle for sure. 354 00:16:35,240 --> 00:16:38,480 Speaker 3: What are some of the struggles that you've dealt with since, say, 355 00:16:38,520 --> 00:16:41,400 Speaker 3: coming out. Do you feel like because of that you 356 00:16:41,440 --> 00:16:43,640 Speaker 3: may hit some roadblocks if you will? 357 00:16:43,960 --> 00:16:46,760 Speaker 4: Yeah, you know what, Like I've had meetings and I've 358 00:16:47,040 --> 00:16:50,240 Speaker 4: paid for mentorships and stuff like that, and like people 359 00:16:50,240 --> 00:16:52,960 Speaker 4: told me who I should be what I should wear, 360 00:16:53,080 --> 00:16:56,440 Speaker 4: what I should do, and now, especially in this day 361 00:16:56,440 --> 00:16:59,280 Speaker 4: and age, I feel like you could do anything you 362 00:16:59,320 --> 00:17:02,560 Speaker 4: freaking want, anything at all, Like if you want to 363 00:17:02,640 --> 00:17:06,400 Speaker 4: jump on a pogo stick on TikTok and sing about girls, 364 00:17:06,480 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 4: I don't know, Like that's the most ridiculous thing. Yeah, 365 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 4: you got to get creative. Yeah, I just I feel 366 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,240 Speaker 4: like I could do whatever I want. And honestly, coming 367 00:17:18,280 --> 00:17:21,760 Speaker 4: out on social media was huge because it's like, all right, 368 00:17:21,760 --> 00:17:23,800 Speaker 4: it's out there in the world now I can't go back, 369 00:17:23,880 --> 00:17:25,400 Speaker 4: and I could be proud of who I am. 370 00:17:25,920 --> 00:17:28,480 Speaker 2: So I'm just I'm really happy that I did that. 371 00:17:29,000 --> 00:17:31,840 Speaker 4: I don't know why. For my entire life, I didn't 372 00:17:31,840 --> 00:17:34,439 Speaker 4: want to. I mean, part of it was because my 373 00:17:34,520 --> 00:17:38,199 Speaker 4: parents are not okay with it. Now they are and 374 00:17:38,240 --> 00:17:41,600 Speaker 4: they're the most supportive parents in the entire world, especially 375 00:17:41,600 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 4: with music, But for a long time they didn't support 376 00:17:44,840 --> 00:17:45,840 Speaker 4: my relationship. 377 00:17:46,160 --> 00:17:47,840 Speaker 3: You know, did you come out to them before you 378 00:17:47,880 --> 00:17:50,480 Speaker 3: ever came out to the world. Yeah, okay, how long before? 379 00:17:50,760 --> 00:17:52,199 Speaker 2: Oh my gosh, like eight years? 380 00:17:52,480 --> 00:17:56,000 Speaker 3: Oh wow? Yeah, So so they knew for eight years? 381 00:17:56,560 --> 00:18:01,000 Speaker 2: Yeah, oh wow. Yeah, because they weren't okay with it. 382 00:18:01,119 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 4: And you know, now that the world knows, like, you can't, 383 00:18:04,920 --> 00:18:09,359 Speaker 4: you can't take that back, And it was really really hard, 384 00:18:10,200 --> 00:18:14,160 Speaker 4: but now they're totally cool with it, like Coole as parents. 385 00:18:14,240 --> 00:18:16,640 Speaker 3: How long did that take them to kind of adjust 386 00:18:16,640 --> 00:18:18,080 Speaker 3: to it and accept it? 387 00:18:18,520 --> 00:18:24,520 Speaker 2: Probably I mean nine or ten years, like oh well, yeah, okay, yeah, so. 388 00:18:24,520 --> 00:18:26,240 Speaker 3: You've did you ever feel like you were kind of 389 00:18:26,240 --> 00:18:28,840 Speaker 3: out there on your on your own? I mean both 390 00:18:28,960 --> 00:18:32,119 Speaker 3: musically and personally as well, So that had to be 391 00:18:32,320 --> 00:18:36,320 Speaker 3: a compile onto everything just to make this struggle even harder. 392 00:18:36,600 --> 00:18:38,639 Speaker 4: Yeah, it was weird because I knew how much my 393 00:18:38,680 --> 00:18:42,600 Speaker 4: parents love me, but I knew how they weren't okay 394 00:18:42,600 --> 00:18:44,639 Speaker 4: with that, And I think it was more of like, 395 00:18:45,560 --> 00:18:48,480 Speaker 4: you know, our daughter is gay, Like they didn't want 396 00:18:48,520 --> 00:18:52,240 Speaker 4: to want people to know. So now that everyone does, 397 00:18:53,000 --> 00:18:56,160 Speaker 4: and everyone's like, we're so proud of like your daughter 398 00:18:56,200 --> 00:18:59,040 Speaker 4: and who she is and that she's following her dreams. 399 00:18:59,080 --> 00:19:02,600 Speaker 4: And I have an older other and he tells me 400 00:19:02,640 --> 00:19:06,480 Speaker 4: all the time. He's like, most people don't follow their dreams, 401 00:19:06,520 --> 00:19:09,400 Speaker 4: and you are, and that takes a lot. 402 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:12,560 Speaker 3: And you're fighting a whole nother obstacle, like you're not 403 00:19:12,600 --> 00:19:14,840 Speaker 3: just following your dreams of playing music you're also having 404 00:19:14,840 --> 00:19:17,439 Speaker 3: to battle this, you know, being gay in the industry. Ye, 405 00:19:17,800 --> 00:19:20,760 Speaker 3: battling just coming out. So I do appreciate you telling that. 406 00:19:20,840 --> 00:19:24,879 Speaker 4: And this is like the first major podcast or even 407 00:19:25,200 --> 00:19:26,639 Speaker 4: anywhere that I'm talking about this. 408 00:19:27,000 --> 00:19:29,960 Speaker 3: That's awesome. That's awesome, Thank you. I do appreciate you talking. 409 00:19:30,160 --> 00:19:31,920 Speaker 3: I mean, I know that can't be easy, especially only 410 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:34,200 Speaker 3: a couple of years in it something that you've battled 411 00:19:34,240 --> 00:19:36,800 Speaker 3: for so long, So I do appreciate you sharing that. 412 00:19:37,600 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: What are some other struggles that you've dealt with outside 413 00:19:40,000 --> 00:19:41,880 Speaker 3: of you know, being gay in the industry, just trying 414 00:19:41,880 --> 00:19:45,560 Speaker 3: to make it in music in general. What do you 415 00:19:45,600 --> 00:19:47,679 Speaker 3: think has been some of the biggest obstacles for you 416 00:19:47,760 --> 00:19:49,320 Speaker 3: to get to where you ultimately want to be. 417 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:53,640 Speaker 4: Yeah, I think well, for me, I know, I've learned 418 00:19:53,680 --> 00:19:58,720 Speaker 4: that like knowing people is great and just making those relationships. 419 00:19:58,800 --> 00:19:59,680 Speaker 2: So I'm excited. 420 00:20:00,040 --> 00:20:03,119 Speaker 4: I've been playing some bigger shows and meeting some bigger 421 00:20:03,200 --> 00:20:07,399 Speaker 4: artists and there you know, their team and getting to 422 00:20:07,440 --> 00:20:12,800 Speaker 4: know people. I think being that shy little girl and 423 00:20:12,840 --> 00:20:17,000 Speaker 4: not being myself was the biggest struggle for me. So 424 00:20:17,160 --> 00:20:19,200 Speaker 4: other than that, now that I could be myself and 425 00:20:19,720 --> 00:20:23,399 Speaker 4: people like I get I'm a good hang People like 426 00:20:23,440 --> 00:20:25,760 Speaker 4: to hang out with me and we have fun. So 427 00:20:25,800 --> 00:20:28,679 Speaker 4: I feel like just getting to know myself better and 428 00:20:28,760 --> 00:20:31,720 Speaker 4: getting to know other people better was my biggest setback. 429 00:20:32,000 --> 00:20:34,080 Speaker 3: Do you have an influence out here that somebody who 430 00:20:34,119 --> 00:20:37,240 Speaker 3: really helps you get through some stuff or whether it's 431 00:20:37,240 --> 00:20:40,480 Speaker 3: songwriting or just you know, personally professionally. 432 00:20:40,400 --> 00:20:45,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean I have a good group of friends here. Honestly, 433 00:20:45,400 --> 00:20:48,320 Speaker 4: the gay community in Nashville, like going a lipstick lounge 434 00:20:48,359 --> 00:20:53,399 Speaker 4: and playing songs about girls is really cool. I definitely 435 00:20:53,400 --> 00:20:57,240 Speaker 4: have plans to release songs that like say her in It, 436 00:20:57,400 --> 00:21:01,040 Speaker 4: but right now I'm just focusing on I have some 437 00:21:01,200 --> 00:21:03,760 Speaker 4: fun songs that I'm going to release that are like 438 00:21:03,960 --> 00:21:08,479 Speaker 4: totally country rock. And I'm really influenced by Carrie Underwood too, 439 00:21:08,960 --> 00:21:11,320 Speaker 4: because she has that, Like she had this album that 440 00:21:11,880 --> 00:21:15,280 Speaker 4: is really rocky and like awesome drums, So we'll have 441 00:21:15,320 --> 00:21:17,320 Speaker 4: to get my girl in the drums for that. 442 00:21:18,240 --> 00:21:20,040 Speaker 3: You have a time period for that or that next 443 00:21:20,119 --> 00:21:21,240 Speaker 3: year sometimes. 444 00:21:21,040 --> 00:21:23,800 Speaker 4: Yeah, So I want to be living here in Nashville 445 00:21:23,840 --> 00:21:26,200 Speaker 4: and release that stuff. But I'm gonna I'm gonna release 446 00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:29,360 Speaker 4: at least one more single for the fall, and it's 447 00:21:29,440 --> 00:21:32,359 Speaker 4: just like a drinking song. It's gonna be I like 448 00:21:32,400 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 4: to drink and party. 449 00:21:34,600 --> 00:21:36,680 Speaker 3: Well, you're in the right city, I guess. Yeah, So 450 00:21:36,720 --> 00:21:39,240 Speaker 3: what do you What are you telling yourself then? Because 451 00:21:39,359 --> 00:21:41,800 Speaker 3: I sometimes I will last like, you know, what, if 452 00:21:41,840 --> 00:21:44,640 Speaker 3: you've been here for eight years, what would you tell 453 00:21:44,680 --> 00:21:47,360 Speaker 3: yourself eight years ago that you don't know now? And 454 00:21:47,400 --> 00:21:49,479 Speaker 3: for you, it's you were here years ago and now 455 00:21:49,480 --> 00:21:53,000 Speaker 3: you're coming back, and what's because obviously your mindset is 456 00:21:53,000 --> 00:21:56,160 Speaker 3: different in every single way. What are you telling yourself 457 00:21:56,200 --> 00:21:58,960 Speaker 3: as you come back to Nashville full time and what's 458 00:21:59,000 --> 00:22:01,640 Speaker 3: your mindset compared to the first time. 459 00:22:01,920 --> 00:22:05,080 Speaker 4: Yeah, so coming back here, I'm just going to focus 460 00:22:05,119 --> 00:22:09,359 Speaker 4: mostly on songwriting and the money will come. I was here, 461 00:22:09,880 --> 00:22:14,960 Speaker 4: I was doing Broadway, I was bartending. I was focused 462 00:22:14,960 --> 00:22:19,000 Speaker 4: on like paying bills and making money. And now I'm 463 00:22:19,040 --> 00:22:22,080 Speaker 4: just like, I just want to write the best songs 464 00:22:22,119 --> 00:22:23,080 Speaker 4: and the money will come. 465 00:22:23,119 --> 00:22:23,840 Speaker 2: I do believe that. 466 00:22:24,440 --> 00:22:26,400 Speaker 3: You just believe in doing what you should be doing 467 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:27,920 Speaker 3: and everything else will come. 468 00:22:27,840 --> 00:22:30,639 Speaker 4: With you writing songs, going out supporting other friends and 469 00:22:31,400 --> 00:22:34,600 Speaker 4: just like I went out last night, I haven't seen 470 00:22:34,640 --> 00:22:37,359 Speaker 4: people in a while, and everyone was just so happy 471 00:22:37,359 --> 00:22:41,159 Speaker 4: to see me. And I've definitely made an impact with 472 00:22:41,200 --> 00:22:44,720 Speaker 4: some friend groups, and I think that just focusing on 473 00:22:44,760 --> 00:22:46,320 Speaker 4: songwriting is going to be my biggest thing. 474 00:22:46,440 --> 00:22:48,400 Speaker 3: Are you in hopes of like a publishing deal? 475 00:22:48,600 --> 00:22:50,880 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's my goal. Okay, I think I came here 476 00:22:50,880 --> 00:22:53,919 Speaker 4: without a goal, and like, I had so many friends 477 00:22:53,960 --> 00:22:57,639 Speaker 4: that weren't in the industry and that's cool, but I 478 00:22:57,720 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 4: just want to aim for that publishing deal. 479 00:23:00,119 --> 00:23:02,440 Speaker 3: Is there any way you can just summarize real quick 480 00:23:02,480 --> 00:23:04,040 Speaker 3: to somebody because I didn't really know. This is when 481 00:23:04,040 --> 00:23:06,480 Speaker 3: I first moved the difference between say a label or 482 00:23:06,600 --> 00:23:08,440 Speaker 3: a deal and a publishing deal. 483 00:23:09,080 --> 00:23:11,320 Speaker 4: Yeah, I mean a publishing deal is just you go 484 00:23:11,400 --> 00:23:13,919 Speaker 4: in writing songs and they're going to own your publishing 485 00:23:13,960 --> 00:23:18,760 Speaker 4: and get you co writs. A record deal is the whole, 486 00:23:19,520 --> 00:23:22,640 Speaker 4: the whole kit komboodle. So I don't think I need 487 00:23:22,680 --> 00:23:24,800 Speaker 4: that because I'm doing a lot of stuff on my 488 00:23:24,920 --> 00:23:27,760 Speaker 4: own and they really take a lot from a record deal. 489 00:23:27,880 --> 00:23:31,679 Speaker 4: So the publishing deal will be kind of like the 490 00:23:31,720 --> 00:23:35,399 Speaker 4: first step, and then record labels like kind of do 491 00:23:35,440 --> 00:23:38,600 Speaker 4: your distribution and get your songs on radio and management 492 00:23:38,640 --> 00:23:42,239 Speaker 4: and everything. So I think a publishing deal would be 493 00:23:42,480 --> 00:23:43,920 Speaker 4: my best bet. 494 00:23:44,320 --> 00:23:46,199 Speaker 3: How how much does social media help you. 495 00:23:47,280 --> 00:23:48,679 Speaker 2: Well, that's why I'm here right now. 496 00:23:48,960 --> 00:23:51,080 Speaker 3: I know, I know. I mean, if you're listening, it 497 00:23:51,119 --> 00:23:53,880 Speaker 3: really is Jessica out to me. And this is where 498 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:55,800 Speaker 3: we are. Was months ago, and you know, I said, hey, 499 00:23:55,920 --> 00:23:58,240 Speaker 3: just be patient with me and think thank god you were. Yeah, 500 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:01,320 Speaker 3: so I appreciate that, and this is why we're here, 501 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:04,080 Speaker 3: so outside of just this podcast. So I mean, it's 502 00:24:04,119 --> 00:24:07,119 Speaker 3: such a good, great way for you to distribute your music, 503 00:24:07,440 --> 00:24:09,360 Speaker 3: right and your song is the way that you want 504 00:24:09,359 --> 00:24:11,080 Speaker 3: them to be heard, and you want them to be sung, 505 00:24:11,160 --> 00:24:14,040 Speaker 3: and so for you, do you use it as your 506 00:24:14,160 --> 00:24:16,480 Speaker 3: major tool to outsource your music. 507 00:24:16,640 --> 00:24:19,719 Speaker 4: Yeah, that's another huge thing that I want to do. Like, 508 00:24:20,119 --> 00:24:23,520 Speaker 4: so I'm going to get my own house and I'm 509 00:24:23,560 --> 00:24:25,760 Speaker 4: going to have like a cute little room and have 510 00:24:25,880 --> 00:24:28,480 Speaker 4: people over kind of like this, write a song and 511 00:24:28,520 --> 00:24:30,560 Speaker 4: then do like a little interview and post it on 512 00:24:30,600 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 4: social media, and I think that'll give other artists exposure 513 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:38,679 Speaker 4: and like we'll do things together. I was never one 514 00:24:38,800 --> 00:24:42,919 Speaker 4: to like go out to a meal and then post 515 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:46,000 Speaker 4: a picture of like my tacos and margarita on Instagram, 516 00:24:46,040 --> 00:24:49,840 Speaker 4: but like that's kind of what it's about. Going places 517 00:24:49,960 --> 00:24:53,800 Speaker 4: and like really putting your original music on social media 518 00:24:53,840 --> 00:24:54,240 Speaker 4: for sure. 519 00:24:54,480 --> 00:24:56,280 Speaker 3: Yeah, and you get a lot of good feedback, good 520 00:24:56,280 --> 00:24:57,920 Speaker 3: and bad. I'm sure right, you got to have the 521 00:24:57,960 --> 00:25:00,600 Speaker 3: bad of course, because people have nothing better to I know. 522 00:25:01,359 --> 00:25:04,080 Speaker 4: I'm like, now I'm posting funny videos and being myself, 523 00:25:04,200 --> 00:25:07,720 Speaker 4: So I'm gonna do that with my music. 524 00:25:07,880 --> 00:25:10,120 Speaker 3: That's the hardest part I think about social media, whether 525 00:25:10,160 --> 00:25:13,520 Speaker 3: it's for your job or just in general, even with myself. 526 00:25:13,640 --> 00:25:15,679 Speaker 3: Like you know, I'll take a video or something and 527 00:25:15,680 --> 00:25:18,560 Speaker 3: I'm like, you're just such a hard critic on yourself, 528 00:25:18,600 --> 00:25:20,680 Speaker 3: and you think you look stupid or you're acting stupid, 529 00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,520 Speaker 3: and you're like yeah, But at the same time, like, dude, 530 00:25:22,560 --> 00:25:24,040 Speaker 3: this is just who you are, Like it's not a 531 00:25:24,040 --> 00:25:26,120 Speaker 3: big deal. Who really cares, you know what I mean? 532 00:25:26,400 --> 00:25:29,760 Speaker 3: So I can't even imagine music what that like that 533 00:25:29,800 --> 00:25:31,760 Speaker 3: burden may have on you, Like what if this song 534 00:25:31,960 --> 00:25:34,840 Speaker 3: everybody hates the song or hates these lyrics or whatever, 535 00:25:35,000 --> 00:25:37,320 Speaker 3: So it could be a great thing and a bad thing. 536 00:25:41,520 --> 00:25:43,000 Speaker 3: I do want to talk about some of your music here. 537 00:25:43,000 --> 00:25:46,240 Speaker 3: We'll talk about Burn first. It's your latest single, latest single, 538 00:25:46,280 --> 00:25:47,800 Speaker 3: lay single. He I'll play a little clip and we'll 539 00:25:47,800 --> 00:25:59,960 Speaker 3: talk about it real quick. All right, what's the story 540 00:26:00,359 --> 00:26:01,640 Speaker 3: behind what do You Letting Burn? 541 00:26:01,920 --> 00:26:02,520 Speaker 2: Oh? 542 00:26:02,520 --> 00:26:05,239 Speaker 4: Well, I wrote this with one of my friends, and 543 00:26:05,480 --> 00:26:08,239 Speaker 4: it's about being with someone that's not good for you. 544 00:26:09,440 --> 00:26:12,560 Speaker 4: There yeah, I mean, but you do it anyway because 545 00:26:12,600 --> 00:26:16,240 Speaker 4: you're stupid and just you kind of like it, like 546 00:26:16,480 --> 00:26:18,880 Speaker 4: you're you're with somebody, maybe they don't treat you right 547 00:26:19,000 --> 00:26:23,280 Speaker 4: or and then you just stick with them because you 548 00:26:23,400 --> 00:26:26,359 Speaker 4: like the feel of it, you're comfortable with them, and 549 00:26:27,160 --> 00:26:30,440 Speaker 4: yeah it hurts, but it kind of feels good. 550 00:26:30,520 --> 00:26:34,239 Speaker 3: Just written about somebody for you personally or more of 551 00:26:34,280 --> 00:26:37,120 Speaker 3: like we've all been there, but maybe not somebody. 552 00:26:36,760 --> 00:26:40,479 Speaker 4: Specific real Honestly, it was my friend who was like, 553 00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:43,720 Speaker 4: I feel like I've been in pretty good relationships in 554 00:26:43,760 --> 00:26:46,240 Speaker 4: my past and people. If someone's not going to be 555 00:26:46,280 --> 00:26:48,960 Speaker 4: good to me, then I'm not going to stick with them. 556 00:26:49,720 --> 00:26:51,919 Speaker 4: But that was the opposite for her. She was with 557 00:26:51,960 --> 00:26:56,040 Speaker 4: this person that wasn't good for her, and yeah, we kind. 558 00:26:55,880 --> 00:26:57,840 Speaker 3: Of just is she in music as well? 559 00:26:57,960 --> 00:26:59,280 Speaker 2: Or did Yeah she's a songwriter? 560 00:26:59,400 --> 00:27:00,959 Speaker 3: Oh okay, yeah, gotcha? 561 00:27:01,280 --> 00:27:04,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, so you know, all right. 562 00:27:04,840 --> 00:27:20,720 Speaker 3: Here's the whiskey nose and we'll play this real great. 563 00:27:14,880 --> 00:27:16,000 Speaker 2: The whiskey. 564 00:27:17,720 --> 00:27:19,280 Speaker 3: It does know good? I am bad. 565 00:27:19,359 --> 00:27:20,640 Speaker 2: This is the story of my life. 566 00:27:21,000 --> 00:27:24,920 Speaker 4: Is only these Yeah, for a very long time. 567 00:27:25,600 --> 00:27:26,120 Speaker 2: Even now. 568 00:27:26,480 --> 00:27:29,280 Speaker 4: If you want the honest truth, which I'll give it 569 00:27:29,280 --> 00:27:31,760 Speaker 4: to you, but especially after I'm drinking. 570 00:27:33,240 --> 00:27:35,280 Speaker 3: You're the drunk truth teller. 571 00:27:35,520 --> 00:27:37,320 Speaker 2: Yeah, I think everyone is. 572 00:27:37,440 --> 00:27:39,520 Speaker 3: Oh, yeah, for sure that what's that old saying where 573 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:42,119 Speaker 3: they say the truth comes out when you're drinking or 574 00:27:42,160 --> 00:27:44,960 Speaker 3: something like that, whatever it is? Now? Is that a 575 00:27:45,280 --> 00:27:47,080 Speaker 3: Is that ever a really bad thing for you? 576 00:27:47,320 --> 00:27:50,320 Speaker 2: I mean I haven't I haven't been on the other 577 00:27:50,440 --> 00:27:50,840 Speaker 2: end of it. 578 00:27:50,840 --> 00:27:54,679 Speaker 4: But but I think, yeah, it's not. 579 00:27:54,800 --> 00:27:55,680 Speaker 2: It's not a bad thing. 580 00:27:55,920 --> 00:27:58,920 Speaker 3: Okay, are you big whiskey girl? In obviously you like whiskey. 581 00:27:59,240 --> 00:28:02,639 Speaker 4: I've loved whiskey until I release this song, and people 582 00:28:02,640 --> 00:28:06,160 Speaker 4: are constantly taking shots with me and buying me bottles 583 00:28:06,160 --> 00:28:09,720 Speaker 4: of whiskey. So now I've switched tequila. 584 00:28:10,040 --> 00:28:12,000 Speaker 3: Well, before you switch, what was your go to? 585 00:28:12,560 --> 00:28:15,679 Speaker 4: I love honeyjack on the rocks or shot just shots 586 00:28:15,680 --> 00:28:19,199 Speaker 4: of honey jack, but I drank so much of it 587 00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:20,680 Speaker 4: after releasing this song. 588 00:28:21,359 --> 00:28:23,560 Speaker 3: Is everyone just buying new shots left right, and I'll steal. 589 00:28:23,880 --> 00:28:25,760 Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll still do honeyjack anytime. 590 00:28:26,040 --> 00:28:28,119 Speaker 3: Okay, Well if we ever, you know, see each other 591 00:28:28,160 --> 00:28:29,719 Speaker 3: at a bar, go to a show or something like that. 592 00:28:29,760 --> 00:28:31,639 Speaker 3: I will buy you a shot. Why, I'll see how 593 00:28:31,680 --> 00:28:33,280 Speaker 3: to take at least one more in your life and 594 00:28:33,280 --> 00:28:35,639 Speaker 3: we'll take it from that. Please, we'll close out with this. 595 00:28:35,680 --> 00:28:38,080 Speaker 3: Do you have anything else coming up, say the end 596 00:28:38,080 --> 00:28:39,880 Speaker 3: of this year beginning and next year. I know you're 597 00:28:39,920 --> 00:28:42,960 Speaker 3: moving back to Nashville, big moves, anything else you want 598 00:28:42,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 3: to kind of throw out there, Maybe some new music 599 00:28:45,240 --> 00:28:45,920 Speaker 3: coming at all. 600 00:28:45,880 --> 00:28:48,320 Speaker 4: Or yeah, oh my god, I'm gonna tease this song 601 00:28:48,400 --> 00:28:50,920 Speaker 4: because I have this song coming out. It's called tgi 602 00:28:51,120 --> 00:28:55,480 Speaker 4: f It Okay, So I wrote it for people that 603 00:28:55,600 --> 00:28:59,160 Speaker 4: just love living on the weekend and not caring about anything, 604 00:29:00,240 --> 00:29:00,400 Speaker 4: you know. 605 00:29:00,600 --> 00:29:01,960 Speaker 2: Yeah, yeah, when you. 606 00:29:02,000 --> 00:29:03,600 Speaker 3: Move back there, we need to get together. We need 607 00:29:03,600 --> 00:29:04,240 Speaker 3: to go out one. 608 00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:04,960 Speaker 2: That sounds good. 609 00:29:05,440 --> 00:29:07,440 Speaker 3: You can go to her website, Real Jessica Rose dot 610 00:29:07,440 --> 00:29:09,360 Speaker 3: com step to date with everything, all your tour dates 611 00:29:09,360 --> 00:29:11,760 Speaker 3: and everything. All your information is on there. Go follow 612 00:29:11,800 --> 00:29:15,280 Speaker 3: her social media Real Jessica Rose, check her out music 613 00:29:15,400 --> 00:29:18,240 Speaker 3: stream her. I really appreciate you coming in here on 614 00:29:18,320 --> 00:29:21,480 Speaker 3: your story. This is awesome and look forward to you 615 00:29:21,560 --> 00:29:24,000 Speaker 3: getting back out here in Nashville permanently. I can't wait 616 00:29:24,120 --> 00:29:24,840 Speaker 3: all right, Thank you. 617 00:29:24,880 --> 00:29:27,400 Speaker 2: Thanks love this episode of The Bobby Cast. 618 00:29:27,640 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: Subscribe on iHeartRadio, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you listen to podcasts.