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Speaker 1: Hi, This is Kyles s forber and welcome to the

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Speaker 1: Philly show Hi, everybody, Welcome to the Philly show Rooman

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Speaker 1: Tomorrow Junior Jim Salisbury Todd's Lucky brought to you by

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Speaker 1: the follow up Territory Network. It's Friday, Jim's Friday Friday.

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Speaker 1: I think about that for a second. September twentieth, twenty

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Speaker 1: twenty four, You've got a nice clean haircut going right now.

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Speaker 1: I'm very jealous of you. You look shop.

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Speaker 2: I tightened it up. How'd you get a haircut yesterday?

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Speaker 2: I was pretty bushy, But yeah, my head feels a

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Speaker 2: little lighter. But the important thing is we're here. Ruben

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Speaker 2: is not Ruben is ocente. We are presente. He's taking

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Speaker 2: a long weekend.

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Speaker 3: Apparently, Oh sent does that mean absent?

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Speaker 2: Absent? I remember that from like high school, high school Spanish,

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Speaker 2: the teacher would do the role when you have to

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Speaker 2: say on sent, I was Rubens is clearly today.

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Speaker 1: I was very bad at Spanish. I took Spanish in

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Speaker 1: high school, and then I took I went to Spain

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Speaker 1: for like six seven weeks in the summer in college,

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Speaker 1: and I actually picked up a lot just being there,

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Speaker 1: immersed in it, and so I was like, you know what,

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Speaker 1: I'm in a minor in Spanish and I'm going to

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Speaker 1: like make be a Spanish minor. And then I came

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Speaker 1: back to University of Minnesota registered for Spanish class and

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Speaker 1: found out I had to do a lot of reading

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Speaker 1: in Spanish and writing in Spanish. Didn't do it only

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Speaker 1: class I ever dropped them, like goodbye, Spanish minor. I

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Speaker 1: am not cut out for this.

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Speaker 2: Obviously, and what we do very useful and uh but.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, now I wish I would have kept with it,

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Speaker 1: because now I feel like it's good be such an

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Speaker 1: advantage anybody can speak Spanish.

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Speaker 2: And you know, it's funny. I'm all for immediately on

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Speaker 2: a tangent, but obviously so many Latin Spanish Latin Americans

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Speaker 2: in baseball. I have so much respect for those guys

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Speaker 2: that that, like Hector Nares, when he first came he

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Speaker 2: to the Phillies, he didn't speak much English. He worked

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Speaker 2: hard at it, and how he speaks very good English.

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Speaker 2: Michael Franco over the years, his English hug got huge.

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Speaker 2: I mean, you know, they they try and just I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's hard to do. It's it's hard to do, and

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Speaker 2: and I just really have always respected it. And I

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Speaker 2: tell them too. I said, man, you're English. He's getting great.

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Speaker 2: You're working so hard. Yeah, that's that's awesome. You're really

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Speaker 2: proud of that, much prouder than we are who we

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Speaker 2: don't pick it up. I mean I picked up a

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Speaker 2: lot of little words over the years in clubhouses, a

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Speaker 2: lot of bad words. But I just I hope this

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Speaker 3: It is what they do, Yeah, totally.

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Speaker 1: And you know, like guys like Johann Roe and I

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Speaker 1: understand they use the interpreter because it helps them get

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Speaker 1: across their point. But all those guys can speak very

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Speaker 1: good English. You know, Johann Rojas speaks very good English. Really,

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Speaker 1: all the players, Latin players in the Phillies clubhouse do so. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: like Bobby I had to do an interview in Spanish,

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Speaker 1: Jim in Spain or in you know, Puerto Rico or

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Speaker 1: Mexico wherever I would be crapping myself, I mean, all

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Speaker 2: Of I remember way back when when they got Bobby Abreo,

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Speaker 2: I was doing a background piece on him and he had,

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Speaker 2: you know, come to the States with the Houston Astros,

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Speaker 2: and he told me that when he came to the States,

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Speaker 2: the only two words he knew were which is chicken?

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Speaker 2: And bonio, which his bathroom? And you know, he worked

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Speaker 2: really hard at it and speaks great English. And then

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Speaker 2: that great jose Mason story I think we told before

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Speaker 2: that when he and his brother signed on the same

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Speaker 2: day with the Blue Jays, they started playing rookie ball

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Speaker 2: and they went out and bought Brian Adams cassette tape

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Speaker 2: and they learned English from listening to the Brian Adams

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Speaker 2: songs in the summer of sixty four.

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Speaker 1: So Summer sixty nine, Summer.

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Speaker 2: Sixty nine became Summer sixty four, not a good one

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Speaker 2: for Phillies fans, that's not Freudian. But the Summer of

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Speaker 2: sixty nine became his entrance song when he came in

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Speaker 1: Yes, and that was great because that was my first

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Speaker 1: well three was my first year covering the Phillies. And

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Speaker 1: you know, I didn't really pay now. Back then, you

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Speaker 1: music was. And then Josey Mason would come in I'd

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Speaker 1: hear that song, like, what a totally random song for

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Speaker 1: a closer, because it's not like, right, it's not inter

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Speaker 1: Sandman or thunder Ruck or Hell's Bells or whatever. It's like,

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Speaker 1: remember you telling me that story. I'm like, oh, that's

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Speaker 1: that's that's pretty cool. Jimmy, you mentioned sixty.

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Speaker 1: That will not happen this year. Don't worry anybody. That

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Speaker 1: will not happen this year. But the Phillies have kind

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Speaker 1: of hit a little bit of a stumble. It will

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Speaker 1: bump in the road and their quest. You just clinch

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Speaker 1: a postseason birth, clinch a clinch to the NL East.

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Speaker 1: They're still in the same spot that they were a

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Speaker 1: couple of days ago, which is they need to win

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Speaker 1: one more game, one more game and they're in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: When two more games you win the NL East. They

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Speaker 1: went into New York last night they had Taiwan Walker,

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Speaker 1: and it could not have gone any worse anyway for

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Speaker 1: Taiwan Walker, any worse Phillies. Taiwan Walker, you know, gives

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Speaker 1: up a ton of runs and three to the third innings.

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Speaker 1: Taiwan Walker's season gym three and seven six point nine

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Speaker 1: to one ERA. It's the fifth highest ERA of any

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Speaker 1: eighty innings in a season. It's the highest ra by

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Speaker 1: Phillies pitcher since nineteen thirty. That nineteen thirty team had

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Speaker 1: like three guys above Tywan Walker. That pitching staff must

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Speaker 1: have been wretched. Tymelon Walker in fifteen starts this season

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Speaker 1: seven point one a ERA. Just disastrous year for him.

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Speaker 1: He last night he said it, he's like terrible. It's

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Speaker 2: More more meatballs than little known as.

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Speaker 1: More meatballs than littlone and give up four bombs yesterday.

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Speaker 1: And that's another stat that jumped out. He's given up

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Speaker 1: twenty four home runs in eighty two innings. That's a

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Speaker 1: home runs per nine inning rate two point sixty three.

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Speaker 1: And you go, wow, that's a lot, right, And then

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Speaker 1: you go Jamie Moyer gave up a major league record

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Speaker 1: five and her twenty two home runs in his career

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Speaker 1: that was one point two home runs per nine inning.

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Speaker 1: So that he's given up a rate more than twice

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Speaker 1: of what Jamie Moyer gave up. I mean, obviously Jamie

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Speaker 3: That number five spot is killing them.

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Speaker 1: Innute. They're going to win, they're going to make the playoffs,

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Speaker 1: they're going to win the division, as I said, But

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Speaker 1: here's the part the problem. Now, this number five spot

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Speaker 1: the best record in the National League.

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Speaker 3: So if they stumble a little bit more or they finish.

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Speaker 1: A game behind the Dodgers they lose home field advantage,

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Speaker 1: they can point to this number five spot and say

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Speaker 1: it cost them. That number five spots killing them.

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Speaker 2: And I think they were up two for the best

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Speaker 1: On the Yeah Dodgers, Yeah, Dodgers are coming back.

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Speaker 2: I mean a tangent. You saw the Dodgers yesterday. They

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Speaker 2: win that ball game with Otani going six for six

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Speaker 2: with three bombs and ten urbis maybe the best game

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Speaker 2: in the offensive game in the history of baseball. But yeah,

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Speaker 2: I mean, this a lot to unpack with that number

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Speaker 2: five spot. You know, in the big picture, they're gonna

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Speaker 2: they're gonna make the playoffs, they're gonna get a first

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Speaker 2: round by but it's gonna prevent them or could prevent

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Speaker 2: You mentioned what two and six in the last eight.

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Speaker 1: Yeah, two and six in the last eight, those number

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Speaker 1: five starters, and that's that's mostly time one Walker, but

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Speaker 1: it's also Tyler Phillips, Seth Johnson, and Colby Aller a

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Speaker 2: I look at that stat all the time. What is

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Speaker 2: a team's record with this guy on the mound? I

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Speaker 2: think it's very telling. Uh, you know, speaks to the

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Speaker 2: performance of the pitcher. I think it speaks to the

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Speaker 2: performance of the team behind him, because there are certain

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Speaker 2: guys you take the field and you feel really good behind,

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Speaker 2: and I think it's reflected in your performance. There are

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Speaker 2: other guys that I think effect overall team morale or

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Speaker 2: team chemistry or team confidences. And you know, this team

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Speaker 2: doesn't seem like it's in a good way anytime that

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Speaker 2: Walker takes the mound. We you know, I talked about

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Speaker 2: this a month ago, and I still would be even

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Speaker 2: per I think I still would be surprised if he's

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Speaker 2: bring him back. It's a big number to eat. I

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Speaker 2: don't know if you can eat, you know, seventeen per year,

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Speaker 2: and maybe moving to somebody who's looking for some innings

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Speaker 2: God bless you if you can. But I would move on.

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Speaker 2: But you know, in the in the short term and

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Speaker 2: and it almost like you know, they were resigned to

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Speaker 2: the fourth inning, you know, in that game, and and

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Speaker 2: Mets build more momentum. They go two up on the

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Speaker 2: braves of the last wildcard, and I don't see the

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Speaker 2: Mets catching the Phillies, but certainly they can build a

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Speaker 2: Phillies sometime in the month of October. But you know,

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Speaker 2: I think the Phillies really are feeling secure in their

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Speaker 2: and they are going to get there, and that's why

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Speaker 2: they protected their bullpen. They might have fear maybe about

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Speaker 2: Rangers suarez insanity. I don't know that he's not gonna

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Speaker 2: go to the deep in the game, But I don't

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Speaker 2: know why you couldn't get Taiwan out of that game

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Speaker 2: I remember the days when they had five men bullpens.

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Speaker 2: Now they're carrying they have. Now they have nine men

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Speaker 2: in their bullpen. They could have gotten them out of

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Speaker 2: you know they're tied for the best record with the Dodgers.

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Speaker 2: And you know, in all out failure to come up

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Speaker 2: with enough pitching depth to really get through this season.

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Speaker 2: I know you lost Turnbull. That hurt, but you know

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Speaker 2: you've run a lot of people four or five, three

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Speaker 2: or four people, five people through that number five spot

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Speaker 2: and nobody can can knock it down and lock it down.

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Speaker 2: So you have to go back to a guy who

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Speaker 2: has fumbled at many times in Taiwan Walker, it's a failure.

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Speaker 2: You need to build pitching depth. You need to get

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Speaker 2: pitching depth. I'm sure it's going to be a priority

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Speaker 2: But you know it's not gonna Number five ain't gonna

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Speaker 2: uh Chwarber. You know, these guys are prime and you

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Speaker 2: need to cash in. Sous is a crucial, crucial time

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Speaker 2: for this ball club.

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Speaker 1: Yeah. For some reason, when I think about those strikeouts

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Speaker 1: and I think about the postseason, just the swinging away,

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Speaker 1: I think of that. It's not a scene I would

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Speaker 1: send a scene in the movie Miracle where Herb Brooks

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Speaker 1: is telling the eighty hockey players and the US team

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Speaker 1: He's going to play play your game, Play your game.

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Speaker 4: I almost feel like Evan Long's got to sit there

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Speaker 4: and the dug out in the postseason and go, you know,

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Speaker 4: control the strike zone or whatever he wants to say

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Speaker 4: to keep those guys caase and just repeat it every

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Speaker 4: every inning, you know.

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Speaker 2: But the thing is they've been doing that. He did

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Speaker 2: that last year, and they really stressed it this spring training.

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Speaker 2: They brought it new voices. It's a constant topic of conversation.

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Speaker 2: But when it's a different game, when you're in the

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Speaker 2: batter's box, that game is moving so fast. I mean,

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Speaker 2: it's you know, it's like just you know, pedal to

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Speaker 2: the metal, the speed of a big league baseball game.

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Speaker 2: And I'm not talking to the velo the pitchers. I'm

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Speaker 2: just talking to you overall speed of the game where

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Speaker 2: you're so immersed in it. If you're hearing voices in

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Speaker 2: your head saying, you know, be selective, layoff this's and

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Speaker 2: you know it's gonna be natural. And when the game

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Speaker 2: speeds up a lot of times, you're gonna go back

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Speaker 2: to kind of your natural ways. And there's just so

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Speaker 2: much swing and miss and chase in this team's DNA. Yeah,

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Speaker 2: the best thing I think is don't fall behind. You

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Speaker 2: got to get early leads because I think when you

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Speaker 2: fall behind, you press a little bit. When you press

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Speaker 2: a little bit, that's kind of when when the bad

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Speaker 2: stuff happens, shut chasing this stuff off the plate. So

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Speaker 2: I think early leads are really really paramount for this

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Speaker 2: team going forward here.

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Speaker 1: But this does feel like you mentioned the window. I mean,

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Speaker 1: this this season, it's.

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Speaker 3: Really set up.

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Speaker 1: You know, twenty twenty two, surprise the hell out of everybody,

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Speaker 1: so much fun, had a blast. Yeah, you know you

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Speaker 1: would have. You wanted to win the World Series. He

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Speaker 1: lost the Game six, but nobody really expected to get there.

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Speaker 1: Then last year you totally spit the bit in the NLCS.

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Speaker 1: It's like, this is the year. It seems like they

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Speaker 1: have the best record in baseball right now, one of

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Speaker 1: the you know, the best rotation in baseball. Right now.

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Speaker 1: You have Zach Wheeler at the height of his powers,

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Speaker 1: prime Bryce Harper, prime Trade Turner. This seems like it's

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Speaker 1: it's the year. I mean it could have. If it

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Speaker 1: doesn't happen this year, sure it could happen next year

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Speaker 1: or the year after that. But yeah, these opportunities are

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Speaker 1: it does take advantage.

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Speaker 2: It's it's time, like now, next year the year. It's time.

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Speaker 2: It is time. Uh. And they know that we're not

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Speaker 2: sitting here.

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Speaker 3: They're not idiots. They know that's why they want to

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Speaker 3: That's why they they've been.

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Speaker 1: They mentioned it a few times throughout the season.

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Speaker 3: They know this is this is it.

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Speaker 1: They're not idiots. Cush forward.

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Speaker 3: Nos, He's like, you know, I got two years left

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Speaker 3: on my deal.

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Speaker 1: You know, Bryce Harper knows he ain't getting younger.

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Speaker 5: J T.

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Speaker 2: You know, T great great respect for JT. I mean

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Speaker 2: great respect, just toughness, but plays such a demanding position.

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Speaker 2: He's north to thirties, had injuries, uh yeah, and Nix

498
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Speaker 2: and you know it's just this. You know, these these

499
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Speaker 2: this stuff doesn't last forever when you have a core

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Speaker 2: like this, and at some point you need to make

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Speaker 2: it happen for sure.

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Speaker 1: So let's let's wrap it up. I want to ask

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Speaker 1: you any any thoughts on Shoho Tani getting to the

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00:26:25,480 --> 00:26:27,199
Speaker 1: fifty to fifty club and I because I want to

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Speaker 1: ask you, see if I want to test your Phillies memory.

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Speaker 1: So uh, I mean unbelievable that the game he had

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Speaker 1: last night, that guy is so much fun to watch.

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Speaker 1: I really hope it's Phillies Dodgers at some point this postseason.

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Speaker 1: If it happens, it would be NLCS. But I mean,

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Speaker 1: come on, Phillies, Dodgers and the NLCS, if if if

511
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Speaker 1: both teams do their part, and the Seeds they.

512
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Speaker 2: Have such a great history in the NLCS in two

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Speaker 2: different eras of base different ears.

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Speaker 1: And the Phillies have actually done really well against Shoeo

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Speaker 1: Tani this season, and they've done well in eighth nine.

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Speaker 1: So you know, the Dodgers obviously had their number in

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Speaker 1: the seventies.

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Speaker 2: So that what a what a season, what a player,

519
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Speaker 2: what a dynamic offensive force. And he's only honestly, he's

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00:27:16,200 --> 00:27:18,199
Speaker 2: having this great season. He's only half the player he

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Speaker 2: used to be.

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Speaker 1: People have been asking about, like MVP Francisco Lindor, chase

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Speaker 1: him down or no shot.

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Speaker 3: I mean there was no shot even before he got

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Speaker 3: to fifty to fifty.

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Speaker 2: But and I have great respect for what Lindor is

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Speaker 2: doing because I love a guy wrong. I love a

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Speaker 2: guy that takes a team that really kind of spun

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Speaker 2: its wheels early. And the Mets have played great since

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Speaker 2: June one, and it's been that driving force to lift

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Speaker 2: a team up and kind of backbone a playoff run

532
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Speaker 2: and electrify a ballpark and love what he's doing. I

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Speaker 2: just fifty to fifty, I mean six for six last night,

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00:27:55,080 --> 00:27:57,719
Speaker 2: ten Ribbi, I mean three home runs.

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Speaker 1: That home Rundy hit the right field in the second deck,

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Speaker 1: halfway up the second deck. You don't see balls hit

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Speaker 1: that far in batting practice, do you.

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Speaker 3: I was trying to think of that.

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00:28:06,200 --> 00:28:10,359
Speaker 1: Always that always that ball is destroyed. So the Phillies,

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Speaker 1: obviously they've never had a fifty to fifty player. They've

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Speaker 1: never had a forty forty player, Jim, they've had two

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Speaker 1: thirty thirty players. I mean, it's kind of a I

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Speaker 1: think you'll get this. Who are the Phillies two thirty

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Speaker 1: thirty players?

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Speaker 2: Jimmy Rowlins Jimmy.

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Speaker 1: Rownds in two thousand and seven had thirty home runs

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Speaker 1: and forty one stolen bases.

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Speaker 2: Was Bobby and Brayer one of them.

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Speaker 1: Bobby Bray was the other. Bobby brayw in two thousand

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Speaker 1: and one. In two thousand and four, two thousand and one,

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Speaker 1: he had thirty one home runs thirty six stolen bases.

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Speaker 1: Two thousand and four he had thirty home runs and

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Speaker 1: forty stolen bases.

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Speaker 2: How about how about Sherry McGee.

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Speaker 5: Sherry McGee, I don't not even thinking he had enough

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Speaker 5: pop in the old bat back then he was swinging

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Speaker 5: that forty eight out bat. Probably yeah, No, Cherry McGee

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Speaker 5: did not do it either, did his Sliding Billion Hamilton

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Speaker 5: didn't either.

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Speaker 2: Sliding Billy Hamilton, he used to get a lot of

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Speaker 2: ink when we were writing about face stealing.

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Speaker 3: Right, yes, sliding Billy Hamilton.

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Speaker 2: Yeah. And then and then when Mike Liverthal, when Mike

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Speaker 2: Liberthal was climbing the ladder of of most games called.

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Speaker 2: I feel like I was always writing Red Dowan's name.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, Red doing exactly. You know how sliding Billy Hamilton

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Speaker 3: got his nickname, don't you.

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Speaker 2: He? Uh? He used to do the electric slide at weddings.

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Speaker 3: He liked to slide a lot.

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Speaker 1: Apparently that's how he got his name.

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Speaker 3: They were very creative back They were very creative back then.

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Speaker 2: They had some great nicknames they did.

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Speaker 1: They did all right, Well, we will be back on Monday.

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Speaker 4: I'll probably be talking about how the Phillies at least

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Speaker 4: clinched a postseason.

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Speaker 2: If they haven't by then, some I'm starting to get nervous, yeah,

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Speaker 2: because if they get swept by the mets.

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Speaker 3: I mean, oh my lord, people mean full panic mode.

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Speaker 2: If they if they get if they get swept by

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Speaker 2: the mess, we might have to bring in some expert

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Speaker 2: analysis from one Ruben Tomorrow.

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Speaker 3: Yeah, yeah, exactly. He is all about that.

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Speaker 2: If he deigns to join us.

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Speaker 1: Up, he'll be back, Ruben, only back on Monday. We'll

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Speaker 1: have the game back together, the three amigos on Monday.

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Speaker 1: So Jim, enjoy your weekend. I will smell you later.

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Speaker 2: Smell your lated, buddy.

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