1 00:00:01,920 --> 00:00:06,400 Speaker 1: Welcome to brain Stuff production of I Heart Radio. Hey 2 00:00:06,480 --> 00:00:11,120 Speaker 1: brain Stuff, Lauren vog Obam here. Backup plans, we've always 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:14,560 Speaker 1: been told are a good idea, like your mom used 4 00:00:14,600 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: to tell you about your dream of becoming a Hollywood 5 00:00:16,920 --> 00:00:20,120 Speaker 1: actor or getting together with that crush who just clearly 6 00:00:20,160 --> 00:00:23,520 Speaker 1: wasn't interested. Remember, hon, it's nice to have something to 7 00:00:23,520 --> 00:00:28,120 Speaker 1: fall back on just in case the problem is and 8 00:00:28,280 --> 00:00:31,360 Speaker 1: maybe we've known this all along. Backup plans can be 9 00:00:31,600 --> 00:00:34,800 Speaker 1: kind of lame in the case of people. You're not 10 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,080 Speaker 1: doing yourself or your alternative partner justice if you're thinking 11 00:00:38,120 --> 00:00:41,879 Speaker 1: about someone else the whole time, But the mere idea 12 00:00:42,000 --> 00:00:44,479 Speaker 1: of a backup plan can set you up to lose. 13 00:00:45,200 --> 00:00:47,839 Speaker 1: At least that's what g. Hay Shin said back when 14 00:00:47,840 --> 00:00:50,760 Speaker 1: house Stuff Works spoke with her in for the article 15 00:00:50,840 --> 00:00:53,840 Speaker 1: that this episode is based on. She's currently a visiting 16 00:00:53,920 --> 00:00:57,560 Speaker 1: lecturer at the Yale School of Management. She said, people 17 00:00:57,680 --> 00:01:00,240 Speaker 1: fear failure and that makes them want to make a 18 00:01:00,240 --> 00:01:03,440 Speaker 1: backup plan, but making a backup plan can actually make 19 00:01:03,480 --> 00:01:07,679 Speaker 1: it more likely that failure comes to you. Shin and 20 00:01:07,720 --> 00:01:10,760 Speaker 1: her colleague Katherine L. Milkman of the University of Pennsylvania's 21 00:01:10,760 --> 00:01:13,720 Speaker 1: Wharton School figured that out by doing what all good 22 00:01:13,720 --> 00:01:18,240 Speaker 1: academics do, experimenting. They started off by surveying people at 23 00:01:18,240 --> 00:01:21,800 Speaker 1: a United States train station about backup plans. Almost half 24 00:01:21,840 --> 00:01:24,920 Speaker 1: of the surveyed population had one for an identified goal. 25 00:01:25,680 --> 00:01:28,800 Speaker 1: Then took it further with a test that promised undergraduates 26 00:01:28,840 --> 00:01:32,839 Speaker 1: and energy bar for performing well and unscrambling words into sentences. 27 00:01:34,400 --> 00:01:36,920 Speaker 1: The researchers asked half of the students to think about 28 00:01:36,959 --> 00:01:41,440 Speaker 1: alternate ways backup plans to get snacks. Sure Enough, the 29 00:01:41,480 --> 00:01:44,080 Speaker 1: group who had a fallback plan for scoring an energy 30 00:01:44,120 --> 00:01:46,840 Speaker 1: bar if they failed to do their task didn't perform 31 00:01:46,880 --> 00:01:51,320 Speaker 1: as well in constructing the sentences. Shin and Milkman published 32 00:01:51,320 --> 00:01:53,559 Speaker 1: the results of their study in a twenty sixteen journal 33 00:01:53,640 --> 00:01:57,400 Speaker 1: article titled how backup plans can harm goal pursuit The 34 00:01:57,480 --> 00:02:02,520 Speaker 1: unexpected downside of being prepared for failure A. Milkman and 35 00:02:02,520 --> 00:02:05,720 Speaker 1: Shin wrote in Scientific American, many of the goals we 36 00:02:05,760 --> 00:02:08,440 Speaker 1: pursue in life require a great deal of effort, and 37 00:02:08,480 --> 00:02:11,480 Speaker 1: we can't be certain of achieving them. The insurance of 38 00:02:11,560 --> 00:02:15,320 Speaker 1: having a backup plan is thus very attractive. However, this 39 00:02:15,440 --> 00:02:19,280 Speaker 1: psychological insurance, just like other insurances, may come with the 40 00:02:19,360 --> 00:02:24,080 Speaker 1: price Shin It drew from personal experience to come up 41 00:02:24,080 --> 00:02:27,359 Speaker 1: with the idea for the study. After earning her PhD 42 00:02:27,400 --> 00:02:31,440 Speaker 1: from Wharton, she wandered into the job market looking for 43 00:02:31,480 --> 00:02:34,800 Speaker 1: something in academia. Jobs like the ones she was after 44 00:02:35,040 --> 00:02:37,240 Speaker 1: aren't that easy to come by? Oh what if she 45 00:02:37,320 --> 00:02:40,160 Speaker 1: looked and looked and looked and didn't find anything. What then, 46 00:02:41,919 --> 00:02:45,160 Speaker 1: Shin said, it's really interesting and fascinating how we get 47 00:02:45,200 --> 00:02:48,360 Speaker 1: those ideas. I was thinking, somehow, if I do make 48 00:02:48,400 --> 00:02:50,840 Speaker 1: a backup plan, somehow I think it will make it 49 00:02:50,880 --> 00:02:53,520 Speaker 1: more likely that I might fail. It will kind of 50 00:02:53,600 --> 00:02:58,920 Speaker 1: hurt my chances of success. So what's the harm in 51 00:02:58,960 --> 00:03:03,440 Speaker 1: a backup plan? It's simple. Really, people are less motivated 52 00:03:03,480 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 1: and put in less effort to succeed when they know 53 00:03:05,800 --> 00:03:09,640 Speaker 1: the consequences of failure aren't terribly severe. If you have 54 00:03:09,840 --> 00:03:13,680 Speaker 1: that insurance, as Milkman called it, say a totally decent 55 00:03:13,760 --> 00:03:16,720 Speaker 1: job acting in a local theater in case Hollywood falls through. 56 00:03:17,240 --> 00:03:20,359 Speaker 1: You may not work as hard at Hollywood because even 57 00:03:20,400 --> 00:03:23,840 Speaker 1: if you fail, you'll be okay. The authors wrote, you 58 00:03:23,880 --> 00:03:27,760 Speaker 1: are effectively constructing an emotional safety net, which may dampen 59 00:03:27,840 --> 00:03:32,200 Speaker 1: your goal desire. Shin and Milkman found that even thinking 60 00:03:32,200 --> 00:03:35,200 Speaker 1: about a backup plan can impede your progress in achieving 61 00:03:35,240 --> 00:03:39,040 Speaker 1: that primary goal. Shin said, it's not about having a 62 00:03:39,040 --> 00:03:41,760 Speaker 1: backup option that we can take into the real world. 63 00:03:42,280 --> 00:03:44,640 Speaker 1: What we're studying here is more about planning what you're 64 00:03:44,640 --> 00:03:48,840 Speaker 1: doing in your mind. A commitment, or the desire and 65 00:03:48,920 --> 00:03:51,839 Speaker 1: effort needed to reach a goal, played a huge part 66 00:03:51,880 --> 00:03:55,920 Speaker 1: in the study. The authors wrote, primary goal commitment is 67 00:03:56,000 --> 00:03:59,600 Speaker 1: increased by having an additional means of attaining the primary goal, 68 00:04:00,280 --> 00:04:03,760 Speaker 1: but primary goal desire is decreased by making a backup plan. 69 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:08,680 Speaker 1: Making plans isn't all bad, Shin said, In fact, it 70 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,720 Speaker 1: can be quite good. Many studies point out that there's 71 00:04:11,760 --> 00:04:15,800 Speaker 1: a direct and positive correlation between making plans and success 72 00:04:15,840 --> 00:04:20,560 Speaker 1: in achieving those goals. The difference those studies examined plans 73 00:04:20,640 --> 00:04:23,080 Speaker 1: that are designed to help you reach your initial goal, 74 00:04:23,640 --> 00:04:26,320 Speaker 1: perhaps multiple plans that are all designed to help you 75 00:04:26,320 --> 00:04:29,799 Speaker 1: reach that goal, not backup plans in case you fail, 76 00:04:31,400 --> 00:04:33,599 Speaker 1: and Shin was quick to point out that the study 77 00:04:33,680 --> 00:04:36,479 Speaker 1: only looks at goals that can be achieved through effort. 78 00:04:37,120 --> 00:04:40,120 Speaker 1: Those are the ones affected negatively by thinking about or 79 00:04:40,200 --> 00:04:44,359 Speaker 1: having a plan b for other goals, like ones that 80 00:04:44,400 --> 00:04:47,760 Speaker 1: involved luck, say, a desire to get rich playing the 81 00:04:47,760 --> 00:04:50,920 Speaker 1: stock market, or to retire to Aruba once you hit 82 00:04:51,000 --> 00:04:53,960 Speaker 1: on one of those scratch off lottery tickets. For those, 83 00:04:54,120 --> 00:05:02,280 Speaker 1: it's probably best to have a backup plan. Yeah. Today's 84 00:05:02,279 --> 00:05:04,720 Speaker 1: episode is based on the article gotta backup plan, think 85 00:05:04,760 --> 00:05:07,040 Speaker 1: about ditching it on how stuff works dot com, written 86 00:05:07,040 --> 00:05:09,480 Speaker 1: by John Donovan. Brain Stuff is production of by Heart 87 00:05:09,520 --> 00:05:11,599 Speaker 1: Radio and partnership with how stuff works dot com, and 88 00:05:11,560 --> 00:05:14,400 Speaker 1: it is produced by Tyler Clain. Or more podcasts from 89 00:05:14,400 --> 00:05:17,320 Speaker 1: my heart Radio, visit the i heart Radio app, Apple Podcasts, 90 00:05:17,400 --> 00:05:19,120 Speaker 1: or wherever you listen to your favorite shows.