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Speaker 1: So often when you are scrolling through X, or you're

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Speaker 1: I found him about a year ago and started following

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Speaker 1: him when I got back on social media, in particular

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Speaker 1: back on X or Twitter. Then X is Kagan Dunlop,

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Speaker 1: and so what I love so much about what he

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Speaker 1: does is that he delivers information in real time. He

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Speaker 1: and allows you to decipher what you want to do.

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Speaker 1: So what I thought we'd do today is, first off, Kagan,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for coming on. I really appreciate

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Speaker 2: Yeah, of course, I appreciate you inviting me on. You know,

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Speaker 2: I'm happy to be here. You know, I apologize it

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Speaker 2: I know it's kind of a pain in the butt

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Speaker 2: dealing with scheduling and everything I've been I've been slammed,

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Speaker 2: and then I've also recently moved, so I'm trying to

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Speaker 2: I was trying to like sort my life out. So

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Speaker 2: I appreciate you being patient with me while I was

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Speaker 1: Oh man, I would have waited for ten years to

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Speaker 3: I just there's certain people that I've just come across

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Speaker 1: I was like, Man, the way that person is doing

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Speaker 1: it is the way that it just it connects. And

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Speaker 1: I just have so much appreciation for how you do

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Speaker 4: I appreciate that. That means a lot. It means a lot.

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Speaker 1: Okay, So the most recent things that you've been putting out,

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Speaker 1: The information that's coming out about Russia and Ukraine in particular,

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Speaker 3: Of where we're at and all those.

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Speaker 4: And so I think that while the war itself may.

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Speaker 2: Be an absolute tragedy because there's been countless life lost

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Speaker 4: We probably should find a way to, you know, come

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Speaker 2: And there's no prosperity being gained for the people of

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Speaker 2: You can have the same video and like fifteen different

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Speaker 2: So I think, if nothing else, this has definitely been

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Speaker 4: It's been all over the place.

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Speaker 2: And then I even just today, like I haven't even

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Speaker 4: And this just came out today.

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Speaker 2: And I don't know if that's because like their economy

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Speaker 2: I do know that it's going to be obviously very

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Speaker 2: I'm not a geopolitical expert. I'm not sure how they

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Speaker 4: I don't know, I mean, there's this is genius. I

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Speaker 2: I mean, I'm somebody somebody's gonna hear this be like

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Speaker 1: But but for adults, for the military, that's a no.

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Speaker 1: I I'm I you know as a person that that's

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Speaker 3: My last was with the agency in twenty eleven.

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Speaker 1: You know, there there was a massive evolution of technology,

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Speaker 3: Like it was it was us making the advancements.

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Speaker 1: It was us that were really I mean, obviously I

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Speaker 3: But now you know, you've.

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Speaker 1: Got you know there, I saw a report, I think

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Speaker 1: you posted it that that they're going to build something

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Speaker 1: like four million drones over the next you know, year

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Speaker 1: or so. They're going to ramp up their production, right

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Speaker 1: and then and then on top of that, you also

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Speaker 3: They're feeding the hooties. They're free.

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Speaker 1: So it almost feels like, you know, because of this

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Speaker 1: a result of drone warfare in some capacity.

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Speaker 2: statement about that thing that happened. Here's the video. That's

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Speaker 2: one thing. But there's so much information coming out from

440
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Speaker 2: both sides, sometimes it gets really muddied and I can't

441
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Speaker 2: tell like what actually happened, and so I just won't

442
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Speaker 2: even talk about it because it's like, well, I don't

443
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Speaker 2: want to propagate really bad information if I don't know

444
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Speaker 2: for sure, definitively that anything like that happened, you know,

445
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Speaker 2: And I try to keep my opinions out of.

446
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Speaker 4: A lot of that stuff if I can.

447
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Speaker 2: We're all gonna have inherent bias, you know, Like I'm

448
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Speaker 2: gonna have inherent bias. Everyone's gonna have inherent bias. Like

449
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Speaker 2: I have friends in the Israeli Defense Force, you know

450
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Speaker 2: that watch my videos and watch my content. I've interviewed

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Speaker 2: an Israeli Defense Force officer that was back here during

452
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Speaker 2: Shot show before. A friend of mine, Orton Julie's her

453
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Speaker 2: name Big like gun content creator and stuff like big

454
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Speaker 2: into firearms and mental health and stuff. So I was

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Speaker 2: able to interview her for my first Shot show back

456
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Speaker 2: in twenty twenty four. I think it was four very cool.

457
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Speaker 2: So there's there's always gonna be inherent bias, and like

458
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Speaker 2: I try to be careful as I can, and some

459
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Speaker 2: if something's jacked up and it comes out later that hey,

460
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Speaker 2: that's like that was manufactured or that was like nonsense

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Speaker 2: then and some and I'm and I see it like

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Speaker 2: oh okay, cool, Well I'll take that one down or

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Speaker 2: I'll delete it or something like that. I don't want

464
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Speaker 2: to like push bad information out there, but I try

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Speaker 2: to put stuff that if if there's at least like

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Speaker 2: a fair amount of credible sources talking about it, you know,

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Speaker 2: then I'll I'll usually try to talk about some stuff.

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Speaker 2: The only thing that's hard is like if it's breaking,

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Speaker 2: usually more than likely when it's breaking, the only people

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Speaker 2: that are talking about that stuff at that particular time

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Speaker 2: are like local news sources. Like that's all the small,

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Speaker 2: small ones, all the way down at the bottom, because

473
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Speaker 2: like you're not gonna have all the big mainstream media

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Speaker 2: ones talking about something if it just happened, because they're

475
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Speaker 2: pulling that information from way the way down at the

476
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Speaker 2: bottom too, or local sources that are feeding it to them,

477
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Speaker 2: you know. So but yeah, really, what it comes down

478
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Speaker 2: to is like if I find it interesting or fascinating,

479
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Speaker 2: like hey, here's some new technology that's coming out, or hey, uh,

480
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Speaker 2: some pro Russian channels posted a video of a guy

481
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Speaker 2: using an ammunition cart that that has a quick release

482
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Speaker 2: latch so that he can hop off and hop into

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Speaker 2: a security position or something like, you know that kind

484
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Speaker 2: of stuff.

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Speaker 4: I think it's interesting.

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Speaker 2: I try not to make it controversial by saying, you know,

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Speaker 2: any outline of statements about it one way or another,

488
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Speaker 2: just like, hey, here's what's happening, here's what this is,

489
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Speaker 2: here's what they were posting and saying it was, and

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Speaker 2: you know, there it is.

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Speaker 4: That's cut. You don't need me. I don't need to

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Speaker 4: like tell you how to feel about this, you know. Yeah.

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Speaker 1: And I think that's that's one of the other things

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Speaker 1: that I think the way you deliver is so refreshing

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Speaker 1: because you know, you're letting people make the decision on

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Speaker 1: where their biases is going to lead them to regardless, right,

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Speaker 1: And so it's just I think the more people that

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Speaker 1: we can have out delivering that that style of information,

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Speaker 1: the better, right And and and I think you know,

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Speaker 1: the greatest challenge in particular as people are making this

501
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Speaker 1: transition away from you know, the old guard media whatever

502
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Speaker 1: that is now, you know, into this new space is

503
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Speaker 1: like how do they determine, you know, which channel to

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Speaker 1: follow and and why? You know? And I think that

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Speaker 1: that lends itself when when people can innately kind of

506
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Speaker 1: uh what feel the clarity of of your deliverable your deliverable,

507
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Speaker 1: then then they're more.

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Speaker 3: That that trust builds up in a quicker capacity.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well that's another thing. It takes time for people

510
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Speaker 2: to trust you. You know, you got to earn the trust.

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Speaker 2: And if you're like if you if you're like, hey,

512
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Speaker 2: we you know, we made a mistake, or if you

513
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Speaker 2: like if the video was you know, maybe you jacked

514
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Speaker 2: up some information on it and you remove it, then

515
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Speaker 2: it's not there anymore, and then that way people see

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Speaker 2: you know you don't.

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Speaker 4: But here's the thing, Like.

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Speaker 2: I'm not gonna necessarily come out and say, oops, we

519
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Speaker 2: made a mistake.

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Speaker 4: I'll just take it down.

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Speaker 2: I'll just immediately take that accountability, remove it, and then

522
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Speaker 2: we'll keep pushing forward. You know, I don't like necessarily

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Speaker 2: spend a lot of time on oops, see my bad.

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Speaker 2: I'll just delete it because it's like, no, we're gonna

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Speaker 2: take care of this right now and then we're gonna

526
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Speaker 2: move on to the next thing.

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Speaker 1: Cool.

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Speaker 2: And maybe that's like an aggressive approach to it or

529
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Speaker 2: not as a nuance of an approach, because like it

530
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Speaker 2: might maybe to some people feel more personable if I'm

531
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Speaker 2: like like if I publicly talk about, hey, this was

532
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Speaker 2: wrong or this wasn't right.

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Speaker 4: So we deleted it.

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Speaker 2: But I mean, as people stick around and they get

535
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Speaker 2: to know me, or they watch podcasts and me talking

536
00:28:53,080 --> 00:28:55,400
Speaker 2: about stuff with people's podcasts, and they can get to

537
00:28:55,440 --> 00:28:58,680
Speaker 2: know that stuff from here rather than me posting a

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Speaker 2: short video that's like an apology video which doesn't do

539
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Speaker 2: anything anyway. You know, like honestly, if there's something that

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Speaker 2: I put up that's like incorrect or wrong or or

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Speaker 2: another thing that I that I noticed, is if it's

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Speaker 2: just like pure inflammatory stuff that's just like making like

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Speaker 2: people get divided that happened in the nation, Like I

544
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Speaker 2: don't know, you could find plenty of topics to talk

545
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Speaker 2: about then I typically just you know, I posted something

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Speaker 2: a while back about it, and it just caused a

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Speaker 2: bunch of people to start fighting. And because it was

548
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Speaker 2: like there's some racial stuff involved with it, and it

549
00:29:33,600 --> 00:29:36,320
Speaker 2: was like somebody got murdered and like that kind of thing,

550
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Speaker 2: and I was like, you know what, this isn't really

551
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Speaker 2: doing anything beneficial for the community of people that are

552
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Speaker 2: engaging with my content. I'm just going to try to

553
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Speaker 2: keep I like to be informative and informed and teach

554
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Speaker 2: people stuff. But I'm not trying to like rage bait people.

555
00:29:53,320 --> 00:29:56,120
Speaker 2: That's not what I'm interested. I don't I don't want to.

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00:29:56,240 --> 00:29:58,160
Speaker 2: There's enough people out there doing that crap. I don't

557
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Speaker 2: want to contribute to it. I I'm going to report

558
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Speaker 2: and talk about certain things that may be controversial and

559
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Speaker 2: may have some people that get upset about it, but

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Speaker 2: it's not explicitly there to rage bait people.

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Speaker 4: And so that's something I have had to.

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Speaker 2: Like figure out and kind of like work through and

563
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Speaker 2: figure out, like what's the right way to approach this

564
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Speaker 2: without feeling like I'm censoring myself or censoring my ability

565
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Speaker 2: to communicate information.

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Speaker 4: You know, it's a it's a tough it's a tough

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Speaker 4: kind of dance.

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Speaker 1: I guess you know, it's in pot it's a very

569
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Speaker 1: difficult dance because there's a certain there's a certain appetite

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Speaker 1: that I think people on the Internet, and particular in

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Speaker 1: people who want to be more informed, who are spending

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Speaker 1: an exorbitant amount of time through their feed and getting

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Speaker 1: captured by that that that rage bait stuff, and you know,

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Speaker 1: they're they're they're going to gravitate that towards you know,

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Speaker 1: just by the natural order of their conditioning right through

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Speaker 1: that that propaganda feed that fortifies in their their consciousness,

577
00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,640
Speaker 1: right so, you know, but I also do believe that,

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Speaker 1: you know, that's why your show has become so successful

579
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Speaker 1: is because you've been able to kind of rise through

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Speaker 1: all that as as you could very easily go down

581
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Speaker 1: that road and and and make hardcore commentary about these

582
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Speaker 1: different types of engagements based on your background and your

583
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Speaker 1: your familiarity with them, but you don't. You keep that

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Speaker 1: restriction upon yourself, which is which is really kind of interesting.

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Speaker 1: I wanted to talk to you a little bit about this.

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Speaker 1: You know, there's a I think there's a there's a

587
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Speaker 1: growing I don't know whether it's fabricator whatever controversy in

588
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Speaker 1: particular on the right, I think when left has its

589
00:31:47,320 --> 00:31:50,040
Speaker 1: own issues or whatever. But it's like, what is what

590
00:31:50,160 --> 00:31:54,520
Speaker 1: is your responsibility as a creator? You know, and and

591
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Speaker 1: what is your responsibility especially when you get to a

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Speaker 1: certain level you know, and you you had talked about

593
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Speaker 1: when you first got I'm not an expert in these things.

594
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Speaker 1: I'm trying to deliver this type of factual evaluation of

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Speaker 1: it for you to make your.

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Speaker 3: Own conclusive decisions.

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Speaker 1: Do you and you talked a little bit about through

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Speaker 1: the interview, but like, what can you explain deeper that

599
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Speaker 1: level of responsibility and how it's grown in you as

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Speaker 1: you've your audience has just gotten bigger and bigger and bigger. Okay,

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Speaker 1: thank you so much for listening today. Pardon the interruption,

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Speaker 1: but I just got to give a shout out to

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Speaker 2: Well, I've definitely become more self aware of biases I have,

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Speaker 2: you know, That's that's one thing.

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Speaker 4: I've become very self aware of it.

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Speaker 2: And and I've gotten called out for being biased for

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Speaker 2: certain things in certain posts, even if it wasn't like

638
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Speaker 2: overtly biased, maybe it was just like slightly biased, or

639
00:34:35,560 --> 00:34:38,080
Speaker 2: maybe I put in some wording that seemed like I

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Speaker 2: was four or against something. And you know, I'm gonna

641
00:34:44,080 --> 00:34:47,600
Speaker 2: have biases, and sometimes I'm going to post about things

642
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Speaker 2: and say like I feel a certain way about it,

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Speaker 2: or that I feel like this is the reason why

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Speaker 2: this is happening, or this is the reason why they

645
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Speaker 2: are doing this thing or whatever, and you know, I

646
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Speaker 2: but at the same time, I also try to put

647
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Speaker 2: it out there because I'm not trying. I don't want

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Speaker 2: to like tell people how to think or how to

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Speaker 2: feel about stuff. Like I have my own opinions about things,

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Speaker 2: and like, you know, I'm sure there's probably people out

651
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Speaker 2: there that think I'm all right.

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Speaker 4: There's also probably people out there that think I'm.

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Speaker 2: A liberal, you know, but they don't know because I

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Speaker 2: don't talk about that stuff, you know what I mean,

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Speaker 2: Like I registered independent for a reason, you.

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Speaker 4: Know what I mean.

657
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Speaker 2: I've always I've been a registered independent for years now

658
00:35:37,000 --> 00:35:39,799
Speaker 2: because I, like, I I believe in liberty, but I

659
00:35:39,800 --> 00:35:41,480
Speaker 2: also want people to make up their own mind, and

660
00:35:41,520 --> 00:35:44,919
Speaker 2: I believe in like freedom, you know, And I don't

661
00:35:44,920 --> 00:35:49,320
Speaker 2: want to, Like I've never done ads for any political

662
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Speaker 2: action committee, and I won't ever because like that's something

663
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Speaker 2: I want to stay very far away from and remove from,

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Speaker 2: and I you know, want to you know.

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Speaker 4: I want people to feel like at the end of

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Speaker 4: the day.

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Speaker 2: One of the biggest things I've noticed, especially with social media,

668
00:36:07,880 --> 00:36:12,720
Speaker 2: is that like a lot of these echo chambers have formed,

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Speaker 2: like along party lines in all kinds of ways, and

670
00:36:17,800 --> 00:36:21,160
Speaker 2: it just what ends up happening is like these pages

671
00:36:21,200 --> 00:36:24,000
Speaker 2: that are very big pages across social media will post

672
00:36:24,040 --> 00:36:27,440
Speaker 2: stuff that is obviously appealing to a specific type of

673
00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:32,920
Speaker 2: individual and and it's designed to get people mad and

674
00:36:33,080 --> 00:36:36,320
Speaker 2: comment and say something because they're angry or because they're

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Speaker 2: like or because it makes them feel a certain way,

676
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Speaker 2: or it makes it evokes certain emotions that cause them

677
00:36:43,960 --> 00:36:47,279
Speaker 2: to want to engage with it a trigger. Yeah, it's

678
00:36:47,320 --> 00:36:50,479
Speaker 2: like a trick, right, And obviously, like I would say,

679
00:36:50,480 --> 00:36:53,160
Speaker 2: probably older folks are probably more likely to fall for

680
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,680
Speaker 2: that one because it's still relatively new and they have,

681
00:36:55,880 --> 00:36:58,520
Speaker 2: like social media hasn't been around their whole life, like

682
00:36:58,600 --> 00:37:01,239
Speaker 2: a lot of gen Zers. By the time gen z

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Speaker 2: Ers are the Saint are in their sixties and retirement age,

684
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Speaker 2: they'll have had social media their whole life and they'll

685
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Speaker 2: know how to deal with this stuff. But although there's

686
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Speaker 2: probably gonna be other challenges by them with AI.

687
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Speaker 4: And everything, but.

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Speaker 2: You know, I think one of the biggest problems is that,

689
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Speaker 2: like there's a lot of people that are just posting

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Speaker 2: stuff that doesn't do anything to bring people together, because

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Speaker 2: at the end of the day, like we're all Americans first,

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Speaker 2: and I feel like we need more stuff that's just like, Hey,

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Speaker 2: this is what's happening. This is something that's taking place.

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00:37:35,080 --> 00:37:38,520
Speaker 2: Here's what's in this bill. Here's what's in this statement

695
00:37:38,600 --> 00:37:42,320
Speaker 2: from this department. Here's what they said, Here's what they're doing.

696
00:37:42,719 --> 00:37:45,719
Speaker 2: Here's what the your Congress is voting on right now.

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00:37:45,920 --> 00:37:48,799
Speaker 2: Here's what's in the package. Here's what's in the one

698
00:37:48,800 --> 00:37:52,440
Speaker 2: big beautiful bill. Oh it's a thousand pages. Well, you know,

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Speaker 2: here's something that the left is going to really like

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Speaker 2: that's in the bill.

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Speaker 4: Okay, here's something that the right's.

702
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Speaker 2: Going to really like in this bill or whatever, you know, like,

703
00:38:00,320 --> 00:38:02,920
Speaker 2: here's just what it is, here's what the wording is.

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Speaker 4: Like you can decide for yourself.

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Speaker 2: I don't want people to think that my page is

706
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Speaker 2: a right wing media page or a left wing media page.

707
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Speaker 2: I want them to think like, hey, this is a

708
00:38:13,320 --> 00:38:17,840
Speaker 2: guy that just talks about current events, current affairs, military stuff, technology, science,

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Speaker 2: things that are happening.

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Speaker 4: It's interesting and we can all kind of be here.

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Speaker 2: The problem is is I notice, no matter what it is,

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Speaker 2: if it's if it's been politicized in some way, people

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00:38:28,840 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 2: fight in the comments. And it's not like I'm asking

714
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Speaker 2: for that. I don't want that to happen. I'm not trying.

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00:38:34,719 --> 00:38:37,000
Speaker 2: I'm not posting it because I want people to argue

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00:38:37,040 --> 00:38:39,359
Speaker 2: in the comments with each other. I'm posting it because

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Speaker 2: it's just like this is something I found interesting that's

718
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Speaker 2: new or has come out recently. But you can't do

719
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Speaker 2: any once once your media grows to a certain level,

720
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Speaker 2: it becomes totally unmanageable for one person to go in

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Speaker 2: there and like clean your comments section up. You can't

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Speaker 2: do it. It's impossible, and honestly, like for my own

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00:39:01,160 --> 00:39:03,839
Speaker 2: mental sanity. I spend less time in the comments than

724
00:39:03,880 --> 00:39:07,960
Speaker 2: ever before because I'm an habitual Joe Rogan listener, Like

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Speaker 2: I really like the things that he does and the

726
00:39:09,880 --> 00:39:12,359
Speaker 2: people he has on that he talks to. I think

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Speaker 2: he's a very reasonable guy, like straight, like center of

728
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Speaker 2: the road, like I like. I think most Americans are

729
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Speaker 2: probably in the center. I genuinely believe that, and that

730
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Speaker 2: the the only reason why all the it seems like

731
00:39:28,120 --> 00:39:30,960
Speaker 2: we're super divided is because the people that are the

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Speaker 2: loudest on the right and the loudest on the left

733
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Speaker 2: are super super loud and get like magnified because.

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Speaker 4: It's so outlandish.

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Speaker 2: I think most people are in the center, And I

736
00:39:42,719 --> 00:39:45,640
Speaker 2: think most people like want to want everybody to be

737
00:39:45,680 --> 00:39:48,960
Speaker 2: able to like have enough money to feed your family,

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Speaker 2: have a nice like a house with a roof over

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Speaker 2: your head, have a good, steady paying job, like have

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Speaker 2: enough time to like take vacations, uh, you know, have

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Speaker 2: not have food insecurity, you know. I want to see

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Speaker 2: everybody in the country be able to have some level

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Speaker 2: of success. And I still feel like this is still

744
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Speaker 2: like the land of where you can actually pursue happiness,

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Speaker 2: where you have the freedom to pursue happiness, not the

746
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Speaker 2: freedom to like be given happiness.

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Speaker 4: It's not something you're entitled to.

748
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Speaker 2: But you're free to pursue whatever you want and like

749
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Speaker 2: worship whatever god of your understanding you want, and you know,

750
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Speaker 2: live your life as you see fit. As long as

751
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Speaker 2: you're not having a negative impact on somebody else physically,

752
00:40:31,000 --> 00:40:34,640
Speaker 2: right mentally, maybe that's going to happen. But that's like okay,

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Speaker 2: like as long as you're not like guilty of some

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Speaker 2: sort of crime, you know, But that's another that's a

755
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Speaker 2: whole another thing too. It's like you see a lot

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Speaker 2: of politicization of legal stuff right now. It's like, man,

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Speaker 2: that makes the water super muddy too. And it's like

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Speaker 2: I don't even I'm not a lawyer, Like I don't

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Speaker 2: understand how that stuff works.

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Speaker 1: Man.

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Speaker 2: It's like that's why I just try to keep it

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Speaker 2: clean and straight simple, like, hey, this is what's happening,

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Speaker 2: this is what I'm seeing. You can decide this is

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Speaker 2: what this is, what the wording is in this statement,

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00:41:02,520 --> 00:41:05,839
Speaker 2: this person said or whatever, like you can decide how

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Speaker 2: you feel about it, and here it is.

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Speaker 1: You know, well, Kagan, I I just can't thank you

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Speaker 1: enough for the focus that you have and doing that

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Speaker 1: and in your delivery and having that type of personal

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Speaker 1: responsibility to believe that that's the way that that's such

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00:41:24,719 --> 00:41:28,640
Speaker 1: a benefit to the society right now, because as you said,

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Speaker 1: those those people that are screaming at the top of

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Speaker 1: their lungs, man, they're they're getting a lot of traction.

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Speaker 1: And you know, those bot farms that we talked about

775
00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:40,040
Speaker 1: before coming on are are are increasing their capabilities. They're

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Speaker 1: driving more diversity and or not diversity, but decite divisiveness

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Speaker 1: within the American public. And I too agree that a man,

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00:41:48,760 --> 00:41:50,439
Speaker 1: the best thing we can do right now is find

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Speaker 1: out that common ground on the.

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Speaker 2: Information, that common ground, man, that that's the real problem.

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Speaker 4: It's like, dude, I guarantee you could.

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Speaker 2: You could take fifty Democrats and fifty Republicans, put them

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00:42:01,560 --> 00:42:02,719
Speaker 2: in the room and they would all be able to

784
00:42:02,760 --> 00:42:05,400
Speaker 2: find something in common with each other, you know, and

785
00:42:05,520 --> 00:42:08,520
Speaker 2: and like we should all like you, we should all

786
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:10,960
Speaker 2: root for the success of the nation, no matter who's

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Speaker 2: in power, no matter who's running what, no matter who's

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Speaker 2: in charge of what. You know, we should all be like, well,

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Speaker 2: I want this to win. I want like to see

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Speaker 2: the American people succeed, and I want people to be

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Speaker 2: able to have more money to spend on their kids

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Speaker 2: and like have some semblance of happiness and you know

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Speaker 2: that kind of stuff.

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Speaker 1: Man a man, all right, brother, thank you so much

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Speaker 1: for your time and for what you're doing. Is there

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Speaker 1: any uh where where can people find you follow you

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Speaker 1: if they haven't already, and then obviously, you know what,

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Speaker 1: do you have anything kind of cool or unique coming up?

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Speaker 1: Are there any veterans charities you're working with or groups

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Speaker 1: that you'd like to highlight?

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Speaker 4: Yeah? Absolutely well.

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Speaker 2: So, I mean, if anybody wants to find me, you

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Speaker 2: just type CAG and done lap on pretty much any

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Speaker 2: any social platform.

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Speaker 4: And I mean it's my first thing and last name

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Speaker 4: where you can google me.

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Speaker 2: If you type in my name in Google Kagan ka

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Speaker 2: g a N last name, dunlap d u n l

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Speaker 2: a P, then all my social media will pop up

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Speaker 2: up there and you can just find it on there.

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Speaker 2: It's easy to find. As far as veteran charities, so

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00:43:14,000 --> 00:43:16,400
Speaker 2: there's a couple of great organizations, Like this shirt that

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Speaker 2: I'm wearing right now is from an organization called Operation

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Speaker 2: Allies Refuge Foundation and we actually just did a a

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Speaker 2: big roundtable discussion video that we posted on YouTube together.

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00:43:27,600 --> 00:43:29,480
Speaker 2: It was a pretty big event we did, and we

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Speaker 2: recorded it in Quantico, I would say about a month ago,

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Speaker 2: maybe it was like at the beginning. I think it

819
00:43:38,680 --> 00:43:40,839
Speaker 2: was the very beginning of April. I went up there

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Speaker 2: on a weekend on a Friday, and we were we

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Speaker 2: had they had three Vietnam vets that helped evacuate Saigon,

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Speaker 2: the Saigon Embassy and one of the consulates, and then

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Speaker 2: three h Hamatkarzai International Airport veterans who were in the

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Speaker 2: Marine Corps that helped evacuate the airport there in twenty

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Speaker 2: twenty one. And we brought the three or the six

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Speaker 2: of them together, two different generations that had both evacuated

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Speaker 2: a country, and they and they had a roundtable discussion.

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Speaker 2: I just kind of sat there as like a mediator

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Speaker 2: and asked questions if.

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Speaker 4: Like things came up.

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Speaker 2: And we also did with like the organization, they did

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Speaker 2: one on one interviews for every single one of these

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Speaker 2: people and that way they could kind of like tell

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Speaker 2: tell their story about what their experiences were. And then

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Speaker 2: we put together all of this footage into a big

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Speaker 2: YouTube video. It's on my YouTube channel right now, which

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Speaker 2: you know, if we can get.

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Speaker 4: This thing moving.

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Speaker 2: It was posted on the anniversary of the evacuation of

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Speaker 2: Saigon on the thirtieth of April, and basically any of

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Speaker 2: the money that's generated from this thing in revenue is

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Speaker 2: going to go back to that foundation. And then also

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00:44:57,239 --> 00:45:01,160
Speaker 2: there's like fundraising links in the pinned in the comment

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Speaker 2: for it, and also in the description for the video.

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Speaker 4: But they're a great organization.

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Speaker 2: They do a lot to help folks that served in

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Speaker 2: Afghanistan during the evacuation, like to heal from moral injury,

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Speaker 2: and to bring people together and just and help people

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Speaker 2: in the in the g Wat community that have a

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Speaker 2: lot of moral injury from that whole that whole thing,

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Speaker 2: you know. And so that's a good that's a good organization.

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Speaker 2: I'm sure you know who Hunter seven is probably a

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Speaker 2: hundred seven foundation. Chelsea's good friend of mine and her

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00:45:29,760 --> 00:45:32,200
Speaker 2: and her husband as well. They're all great people. They've

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00:45:32,239 --> 00:45:36,800
Speaker 2: done an immense amount to help out veterans and folks

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00:45:36,880 --> 00:45:40,320
Speaker 2: and folks in the first responder community and any and

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Speaker 2: police and all that stuff. Like they've done free cancer

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Speaker 2: screenings for thousands of people. Each cancer screening costs like

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Speaker 2: I think twelve to fifteen hundred dollars per cancer screening

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Speaker 2: and they do free cancer screenings to people all over

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Speaker 2: the place all the time.

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Speaker 4: Wow.

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Speaker 2: In at Shot Show they screened like I think over

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Speaker 2: a hundred people or something crazy like that for free.

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Speaker 2: And uh, you know, they they really do help a

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Speaker 2: lot of people in the veteran community get get screened

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Speaker 2: and they they they they do a lot for cancer

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Speaker 2: research to for exposure related illnesses.

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Speaker 4: Check them out hundred seven Foundation. They're great. They're great people,

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Speaker 4: I mean, and there's tons of others too.

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Speaker 2: There's tons of Another good one a friend of mine

872
00:46:24,920 --> 00:46:27,720
Speaker 2: I went to college with called Jets for Vets uh,

873
00:46:27,760 --> 00:46:32,000
Speaker 2: and they basically fly junior service members home for free

874
00:46:32,120 --> 00:46:36,600
Speaker 2: from their duty station right now overseas for like seeing family,

875
00:46:36,640 --> 00:46:39,040
Speaker 2: because like if you're a junior enlisted service member, it's

876
00:46:39,080 --> 00:46:42,480
Speaker 2: expensive to pay for tickets coming home. I only went

877
00:46:42,520 --> 00:46:44,880
Speaker 2: home three times the five years I was stationed in

878
00:46:44,960 --> 00:46:48,239
Speaker 2: Hawaii because it's like one thousand dollars round trip to

879
00:46:48,320 --> 00:46:50,239
Speaker 2: fly back to the East Coast, And so I was like,

880
00:46:50,600 --> 00:46:50,960
Speaker 2: I'm just.

881
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:52,640
Speaker 4: Not going to go home. You know, most people, most

882
00:46:52,640 --> 00:46:53,520
Speaker 4: people can't afford it.

883
00:46:53,520 --> 00:46:56,400
Speaker 2: You know, you're PFC and you're making like six hundred

884
00:46:56,440 --> 00:46:59,160
Speaker 2: and seven hundred dollars every two weeks, You're not gonna

885
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:02,040
Speaker 2: be able to afford a thousand dollars you know, round

886
00:47:02,080 --> 00:47:05,360
Speaker 2: trip flight, you know, like you barely afford anything, you know.

887
00:47:05,440 --> 00:47:08,120
Speaker 2: So they do a really good job too. But there's tons,

888
00:47:08,320 --> 00:47:10,360
Speaker 2: tons of good organizations that could go on and on there.

889
00:47:10,440 --> 00:47:11,960
Speaker 2: I mean, I'm friends with a lot of folks that

890
00:47:12,320 --> 00:47:14,640
Speaker 2: run nonprofits and I love everything that they're doing, and

891
00:47:14,680 --> 00:47:16,200
Speaker 2: that's one of the things I'd like to get more

892
00:47:16,200 --> 00:47:19,120
Speaker 2: heavily involved in once I can get because I'm still

893
00:47:19,160 --> 00:47:21,920
Speaker 2: like trying to build my business and my brand to

894
00:47:21,920 --> 00:47:23,400
Speaker 2: a point where because I if I can get to

895
00:47:23,440 --> 00:47:25,480
Speaker 2: a point where I can just give away thousands of

896
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:27,600
Speaker 2: dollars a month of my own money, I want to

897
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,080
Speaker 2: do that. Like that's what I really that's where I'm

898
00:47:30,120 --> 00:47:33,200
Speaker 2: working towards. And you have to build something that's profitable

899
00:47:33,480 --> 00:47:34,880
Speaker 2: to get to a point where you can do that.

900
00:47:34,920 --> 00:47:36,200
Speaker 4: And a lot of people don't understand that.

901
00:47:36,239 --> 00:47:38,680
Speaker 2: They think, oh, well, this person's just making all this

902
00:47:38,760 --> 00:47:40,640
Speaker 2: money and they're keeping it off of themselves. Like, bro,

903
00:47:40,840 --> 00:47:43,440
Speaker 2: how do you think Black Rifle Coffee got so successful?

904
00:47:44,040 --> 00:47:46,280
Speaker 2: You think they just got that successful just giving everything

905
00:47:46,320 --> 00:47:47,920
Speaker 2: away they made, no they had to roll it back

906
00:47:47,920 --> 00:47:50,080
Speaker 2: into the company until they grew big enough where now

907
00:47:50,480 --> 00:47:53,760
Speaker 2: they give hundreds of thousands of dollars away to tons

908
00:47:53,840 --> 00:47:56,440
Speaker 2: of veteran charity organizations. And that's what I want to

909
00:47:56,440 --> 00:47:58,120
Speaker 2: get to be able to do eventually, because I want

910
00:47:58,120 --> 00:47:59,560
Speaker 2: to have an impact on people and I want to

911
00:47:59,560 --> 00:48:00,000
Speaker 2: help people.

912
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:01,520
Speaker 4: That's really what it comes down to.

913
00:48:01,600 --> 00:48:04,360
Speaker 2: Because we do a really good job of uh we

914
00:48:04,400 --> 00:48:06,120
Speaker 2: do a really good job of tearing each other down.

915
00:48:06,320 --> 00:48:08,040
Speaker 2: We also do a really good job of helping each

916
00:48:08,040 --> 00:48:09,719
Speaker 2: other up when we're having a hard time, you know.

917
00:48:09,840 --> 00:48:11,840
Speaker 2: And that's and I feel like we have an obligation

918
00:48:12,040 --> 00:48:16,320
Speaker 2: as service members, you know, military members, veterans, first responders,

919
00:48:16,400 --> 00:48:18,359
Speaker 2: of doing the right thing, taking care of each other,

920
00:48:18,440 --> 00:48:22,520
Speaker 2: being good ambassadors for our community because you know, the

921
00:48:22,760 --> 00:48:24,680
Speaker 2: people are left in our right, whether they're still in

922
00:48:24,760 --> 00:48:27,279
Speaker 2: or out, you know, deserve that, you know. And so

923
00:48:27,360 --> 00:48:30,319
Speaker 2: that's that's what I hope. I hope that happens. I

924
00:48:30,320 --> 00:48:33,239
Speaker 2: hope more people do that. Maybe maybe they see what

925
00:48:33,280 --> 00:48:35,920
Speaker 2: I'm doing and maybe they're like, Okay, maybe I should

926
00:48:35,920 --> 00:48:37,719
Speaker 2: try to do something more myself. You know, I don't

927
00:48:37,719 --> 00:48:39,640
Speaker 2: know if I'm the best role model. I definitely don't

928
00:48:39,640 --> 00:48:41,799
Speaker 2: think so. Like I'm just trying to do the best

929
00:48:41,880 --> 00:48:43,799
Speaker 2: I can, like everybody else out there, like you, like

930
00:48:43,880 --> 00:48:46,440
Speaker 2: everybody that's that's out here, trying to do something to

931
00:48:46,440 --> 00:48:48,719
Speaker 2: put out a good message or talk through things, or

932
00:48:49,239 --> 00:48:52,640
Speaker 2: have good, honest, open dialogue about stuff, and and and

933
00:48:52,760 --> 00:48:55,760
Speaker 2: raising awareness about good organizations that have doing good things

934
00:48:55,560 --> 00:48:57,000
Speaker 2: for other people in the community.

935
00:48:57,000 --> 00:48:57,160
Speaker 1: You know.

936
00:48:57,320 --> 00:49:01,160
Speaker 2: So I start rambling, I think probably I lose track

937
00:49:01,200 --> 00:49:03,560
Speaker 2: of my I lose track of what I'm saying sometimes.

938
00:49:03,560 --> 00:49:06,200
Speaker 1: But I'll tell you what those are the best rambles

939
00:49:06,200 --> 00:49:07,560
Speaker 1: that you just had ever. Man.

940
00:49:07,920 --> 00:49:10,840
Speaker 3: I wish you all the best. God bless you Kagan,

941
00:49:10,880 --> 00:49:14,560
Speaker 3: and keep up the outstanding work man. Stay safe too, please.

942
00:49:14,680 --> 00:49:16,600
Speaker 4: Yeah, I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on again. Man,

943
00:49:16,600 --> 00:49:18,840
Speaker 4: I appreciate your time. Thank you absolutely