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Speaker 1: Congratulations Mike Kevins, who can forget again? I'm looking again
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Speaker 1: the National Football League. There it is Dock Daggers in
Speaker 1: where You're gonna win the Silver Bowl. Here's the snap.
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Speaker 1: Mahomes director of the battle in a subday picked up
Speaker 1: with the end zone Fox. I gotta be the chief.
Speaker 1: We're the chapters of the world. We still have I'm
Speaker 1: at a clirty three to go, Devin White, but a
Speaker 1: great second season. That's it. The Casey Bucks are the
Speaker 1: super Bowl champs. They can't stop the clock. We call
Speaker 1: them the Salty Dogs. Welcome to a special episode of
Speaker 1: the Salty Dogs Podcast. I'm Scott Smith and I am
Speaker 1: Jeff Ryan. We are the salty Dogs we have today,
Speaker 1: but today we have with us an honorary dog. And
Speaker 1: while we usually do the interview segment in the middle,
Speaker 1: we had to start with it today because we can't
Speaker 1: bury the lead because our special guest is Pro Football
Speaker 1: Hall of Famer Ronde Barber. Ronnie, thanks for joining us.
Speaker 1: And how did those worlds words sound? You man? They
Speaker 1: never get old, no matter how salty and old I
Speaker 1: get all will I will agree. I am definitely a dog.
Speaker 1: I am. I am made of the same oak as
Speaker 1: y'all too. So I like it. I think you your
Speaker 1: playing career would demonstrate you you played like a dog,
Speaker 1: I would say so. I think I think the uncommon
Speaker 1: things that I did are all uh secondary to the
Speaker 1: toughness that I that I kind of played with I
Speaker 1: think that's ultimately what designated me is all of famer,
Speaker 1: and I think Ira has mentioned it many times, but
Speaker 1: people couldn't get over not missing a game in fifteen years.
Speaker 1: I mean, I think that's pretty significant. So I appreciate
Speaker 1: you guys pointing out the way it out and never
Speaker 1: and never missing one due to injury. Now college my
Speaker 1: red shirt freshman year, the only game I've ever missed
Speaker 1: because of injury was my h uh uh what was it?
Speaker 1: The Poland we Eater Independence Bowl or Louisiana. It's the
Speaker 1: only game I ever missed because, um, would you on
Speaker 1: those lines? I was gonna get to that later, but
Speaker 1: since we're starting up at the top with it, is
Speaker 1: it truly you just like you just basically refused even
Speaker 1: go in the training room most of the time. I mean,
Speaker 1: Todd TORSELLI would let me in there to you know,
Speaker 1: get a bag ice or something, but um no, I
Speaker 1: didn't go in there. I and not for any other
Speaker 1: reason other than I didn't want to be on the
Speaker 1: injury report even when I was hurt. So, um, there
Speaker 1: were there were times when I was I was beat up, man,
Speaker 1: I had a hynkele spring one one early in my career. Uh,
Speaker 1: and I had to get treatment on that, But that
Speaker 1: was before the h The league mandated you put everybody
Speaker 1: up on the injury report. So I think as my
Speaker 1: career continued to go on, I if I had any
Speaker 1: kind of nick or slight strain, I didn't want anybody
Speaker 1: to know about it. And Gruden was okay with it.
Speaker 1: Todd Porcelli was okay with it. So I just I
Speaker 1: treated myself. Would would you say that's your biggest accomplishment
Speaker 1: out of your career is your endurance? Uh? Yeah, um yeah,
Speaker 1: because people don't miss games like like that. I mean,
Speaker 1: it's it's very rare I think today. And this is
Speaker 1: not a slight on anybody playing now, but there's so
Speaker 1: much more involved in playing every single day. There's a
Speaker 1: lot more money on the line. Uh, there's a lot
Speaker 1: other circumstances that, um, you know, I didn't see it
Speaker 1: benefited me if somebody else played. I mean, I mean
Speaker 1: you know this, Jeff and the Scott you were here
Speaker 1: when I When I got my opportunity to play, is
Speaker 1: because the guy in front of me got hurt. Um
Speaker 1: and I and I never wanted to be that guy
Speaker 1: and as I got later in my career, that just
Speaker 1: became obsessive. And uh, it's a there's a reason. I mean,
Speaker 1: Derek was the same way, right, Derek never missed a game,
Speaker 1: never missed many practices. Um um, So I learned from
Speaker 1: the guys ahead of me how to be a tough guy. Basically,
Speaker 1: you said, we got to see you last week at
Speaker 1: the Fall spart Championship media day and we were discussing
Speaker 1: you finding out about being voted in the Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: and you said the word you used was finally. And
Speaker 1: I know you have said you say that because you
Speaker 1: always believed you were going to end up in the
Speaker 1: Hall of and even if it took a few more
Speaker 1: years than we all would have liked. But did you
Speaker 1: believe that from like day one after your retirement or
Speaker 1: is it something that sort of built as he thought
Speaker 1: about it, as you heard your case being made that
Speaker 1: kind of thing. Now, I would say at the end,
Speaker 1: even that last year, that wasn't very fun that I
Speaker 1: knew that what I had done was unique, very unique. Really.
Speaker 1: I mean I looked at it as maybe right or
Speaker 1: wrong or different, it doesn't matter. But in my mind
Speaker 1: only had one peer, and that was Charles Woodson. He
Speaker 1: was the only guy that I played with or around
Speaker 1: my era that had similar stats. So, and everybody knew
Speaker 1: that he was going to be a first ballot Hall
Speaker 1: of Famer, which of course he ultimately was a couple
Speaker 1: of years ago. So when I was done, I knew
Speaker 1: it was just about making the argument and getting everybody
Speaker 1: else to believe it. I mean, six years on, well,
Speaker 1: I guess eleven year or five years wait, but six
Speaker 1: years on after originally being UM eligible, I think there
Speaker 1: were still people and voters, uh, and maybe outside people too,
Speaker 1: um who really didn't know what I had accomplished. And uh,
Speaker 1: that is in itself a little bit of a travesty,
Speaker 1: But reality is when you put it all on paper
Speaker 1: and get in front of it, it's it's to me,
Speaker 1: it was inevitable. UM, So I'm glad I'm here. It's unbelievable,
Speaker 1: of course, to be in the Hall of Fame, be
Speaker 1: of one of three hundred and seventy one guys that
Speaker 1: uh that that have that designation. Um, But at the
Speaker 1: same time, it was completely believable for me. I know
Speaker 1: what I did, and you guys know what I did,
Speaker 1: So it was just a matter of them getting it right.
Speaker 1: They finally did for me. When when you talk about
Speaker 1: being overshadowed, you made a comment that you were somewhat
Speaker 1: overshadowed by your your brother Tiki, because he played with
Speaker 1: the New York Giants running back. He actually got to
Speaker 1: come to a super Bowl here in Tampa, which at
Speaker 1: that time we used to if you remember, Ronde, we
Speaker 1: did at a sports radio station, and we used to
Speaker 1: always go Tiki Who because we were big. We're a
Speaker 1: big fan of yours. But, um, you know you talk
Speaker 1: about him overshadowing you, do you think perhaps maybe Brooks,
Speaker 1: Sap and Lynch also somewhat overshadowed, you would Yeah, is
Speaker 1: that a fair assessment? Yeah, I mean that's fair, Um,
Speaker 1: as evidenced by them being Hall of famers. Right. It's
Speaker 1: not as if they didn't deserve to overshadow me, right, Um,
Speaker 1: they were. They were the Vets when I got here.
Speaker 1: They much more tenured. In John's case, you know, Brooks
Speaker 1: and Sapp were just a couple of years older than me. Um,
Speaker 1: but I've been I firmly believe that Brooks and and Sap.
Speaker 1: You put them on any team in the NFL, they're
Speaker 1: Hall of famers, they're just they're that type of player.
Speaker 1: John and I are more similar in that, you know,
Speaker 1: we had to come aways to get there and had
Speaker 1: to earn our respect, and certainly John had that with
Speaker 1: his How many Pro Bowls? Did he have twelve Pro
Speaker 1: Bowls in his fifteen years or something? It's nine? Yeah,
Speaker 1: not was a nine, whatever it was, it's yeah, he
Speaker 1: had unfettered respect, not only in the NFC but in
Speaker 1: the AFC. When he went to the Denver Broncos, he
Speaker 1: continued that streak of Pro Bowls. So you know that
Speaker 1: that screams Hall of Fame. UM. So his presence, uh,
Speaker 1: Brooks's presence SAPs presidence. Yeah, I mean it's easy to
Speaker 1: say that. You know, Ronnie Barber wasn't as important as
Speaker 1: those guys, but reality as I was, and they'll say
Speaker 1: that I was. It's there's no way to discount, you know,
Speaker 1: what I did on the football field, just like there's
Speaker 1: no way to discount what they did on the football field.
Speaker 1: But a look at it this way. I know, I'd
Speaker 1: say I played sixteen years, fifteen years. I played six
Speaker 1: sixteen years in the league. I was only a captain
Speaker 1: for half of those. You know, I had to wait
Speaker 1: for for lunch the league before I was even a
Speaker 1: captain on the on the football team. Right. So, um,
Speaker 1: if if if there's any any any indication of how
Speaker 1: overshadowed I was, it's probably that I've been here. Ah.
Speaker 1: I was there a long time, and I was underneath
Speaker 1: those uh, those guys' leadership for for a very much
Speaker 1: of my career. Is it, Well, I just he just
Speaker 1: made a continent about being a captain. Is that a
Speaker 1: big deal? I mean, yeah, sure, I never think about
Speaker 1: it this way. I was never a captain in college, uh,
Speaker 1: because I was red shirted and then I left a
Speaker 1: year early, so I never got that designation. I guess
Speaker 1: that was a captain high school. I don't even remember.
Speaker 1: I don't even know how that worked back then. Um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, it's important to have that sea on your chest,
Speaker 1: and you know, to have the I guess the uh,
Speaker 1: the expectations of the the entire team following you to
Speaker 1: disseminate to your younger guys, and it's it's an important designation, man,
Speaker 1: It's I don't know a lot of guys that wouldn't
Speaker 1: want to be one. Um. And it's always an honor
Speaker 1: when you when you were chosen. You talk about when
Speaker 1: you put all the accomplishments on a piece of paper,
Speaker 1: it became pretty obvious. And believe me, I did that
Speaker 1: many times. I made that I read, I read those
Speaker 1: and um, you know, I would always say that you
Speaker 1: checked every box. You know, there's the forty twenty five thing,
Speaker 1: the fourteen nine offensive touchdowns, all the tackles, which is
Speaker 1: incredible for a cornerback, etcetera, etcetera. But another thing was
Speaker 1: you had a play that like a signature play that's
Speaker 1: maybe the biggest moment in this franchise history or the
Speaker 1: biggest play, and one that everybody remembers, whether their bucks
Speaker 1: fans or not. So obviously, I'm talking about the pick
Speaker 1: six to seal NFC Championship game, which I'm guessing you
Speaker 1: can tell me if I'm wrong, you would rank as
Speaker 1: your top play. Ever. So if that's the case, what's
Speaker 1: your second favorite play of your career? Oh? God, there's
Speaker 1: a lot of them. Um it's two through five or something. Yeah, yeah, Uh,
Speaker 1: I don't know. My first interception for a touchdown, I'll
Speaker 1: in no particular order. My first professional touchdown was was
Speaker 1: pretty pretty cool to me, and it was a it
Speaker 1: was on a block punt. You know. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you guys remember it was I remember. I think
Speaker 1: it was nineteen ninety nine, Joe Marciano Spial teams coach.
Speaker 1: And I'm out there and I hear the thud and
Speaker 1: turn around and there's the ball. And I literally hadn't
Speaker 1: scored since high school. I don't know if I scored
Speaker 1: in high school. To be honest with you, I think
Speaker 1: Tiki did all the scoring in high school. But I
Speaker 1: hadn't scored touchdown who knows how long, and pick it
Speaker 1: up and weave my way into the end zone. And
Speaker 1: it was a feeling I can't even describe because I
Speaker 1: didn't know how I was supposed to feel. But it
Speaker 1: was really kind of a precursor to how the ball
Speaker 1: always found me and for the rest of my career.
Speaker 1: I mean, you scored fourteen you said fourteen non offensive touchdowns,
Speaker 1: only seven of them eight of them were interceptions, right,
Speaker 1: including the NFC Championship game. I believe that one out there. Well,
Speaker 1: there you go, So you got these numbers better than
Speaker 1: I do. But my point is I scored a bunch
Speaker 1: of them on fumble returns, and that those balls don't
Speaker 1: just arbitrarily come to You got to kind of be
Speaker 1: in the right place at the right time, and you know,
Speaker 1: have a wherewithal to pick it up and scoop and
Speaker 1: score or whatever. Um. But I did at an unprecedented
Speaker 1: rate a little bit of trivia. A one it was
Speaker 1: actually technically a punt return, Yes, that was a punt return, right.
Speaker 1: And then the other one in the cream cycle against
Speaker 1: I can't remember who that was. That was a pump
Speaker 1: block for a touchdown. Yeah, it was Green Bay. Um.
Speaker 1: So that that momentum was definitely one of them. Um Uh.
Speaker 1: The interception I had in Detroit um the year we
Speaker 1: drafted a key. But I think I've mentioned this story
Speaker 1: a few times here in the past couple of weeks. Uh,
Speaker 1: that had two interceptions that game, one for a touchdown.
Speaker 1: And I don't know if a lot of people know this,
Speaker 1: but the week before that, I was going to be
Speaker 1: benched for a Keep and at the end of the
Speaker 1: week Monty couldn't do it. He changed his mind and
Speaker 1: Keep didn't want to take my job at that point.
Speaker 1: But it was a signature moment. I'm telling somebody the
Speaker 1: other day that was year. What year would that have
Speaker 1: been for me. That would have been year twelve for me.
Speaker 1: And after that play, I started four After that game,
Speaker 1: I started four more years in the NFL. And so
Speaker 1: I talked about the springboard towards the latter part of
Speaker 1: my career. Everybody talks about what happened at the beginning
Speaker 1: of their career. Well, I played sixteen years likely because
Speaker 1: of that football game, um um, and kind of proving
Speaker 1: myself to myself and to the guys here that on
Speaker 1: in the Bucks organization that I still had it. And uh,
Speaker 1: you know, the rest of the rest is history. I
Speaker 1: accumulated a lot more stats and it was subsequent years. So, uh,
Speaker 1: that one, that one's up there, Scott, and I mean
Speaker 1: I the two interceptions against Philly that game was awesome.
Speaker 1: Matt Bryant. Yeah, Google, um Uh. There was the one
Speaker 1: play that always stands out in my mind. It's not
Speaker 1: a good one either. It was I remember because I
Speaker 1: had never really been hurt, and you guys know this,
Speaker 1: I've never really been hurt. We played Detroit and I'm
Speaker 1: covering their wide receiver and I go up and I
Speaker 1: thought I tear my knee up right. This was this
Speaker 1: was a mental tough moment for me. Where I thought
Speaker 1: I was hurt and I did not want to be hurt,
Speaker 1: so I refused to let it affect me and I
Speaker 1: continue to play. And obviously that messed up my knee
Speaker 1: for the rest of my life. But whatever, we won
Speaker 1: a Super Bowl that year. Um. But at the end
Speaker 1: of the day, it's a it's a it's a significant
Speaker 1: moment in my in my career, just being able to
Speaker 1: overcome something as significant as that, And that was I
Speaker 1: was the only twenty six years old when that happened.
Speaker 1: It was, yeah, six years in and I played a
Speaker 1: long time with that, with that injury, and I'll never
Speaker 1: forget that moment thinking, oh man, this could all go away. Uh.
Speaker 1: And then I found a way to force my will
Speaker 1: through it, and there I am. Well, I'll throw a
Speaker 1: one out there, the one that always comes to mind
Speaker 1: to me, and I think it was against Green Bay,
Speaker 1: but I can't remember if it was far or Rogers. Yeah.
Speaker 1: The club on one hand, yes, because I guess you'd
Speaker 1: fracture somewhere in there. I'm still playing. Of course, you
Speaker 1: had a club. I don't remember which hand, I'm sure
Speaker 1: you do. You had a club on one hand, and
Speaker 1: you made a like a sliding interception across the middle
Speaker 1: with your other arm. All right, all right? It was
Speaker 1: I had a cast on a splint, kind of half
Speaker 1: cast on this thumb, and I caught a ball coming
Speaker 1: going to my left with my right arm. Right. It
Speaker 1: was crazy. Interception. Was that far for Rogers? I can't
Speaker 1: remember it was it was far, It was far. It
Speaker 1: was Thanksgiving weekend. I believe it was a night game.
Speaker 1: But yeah, that was That was a good one because
Speaker 1: that week I remember they're telling me I was going
Speaker 1: to be out a couple of weeks. It is actually
Speaker 1: that same year, same year that I messed up my knee.
Speaker 1: A couple of weeks later, U and they told me
Speaker 1: I was gonna be out a couple of weeks. And
Speaker 1: that was the Now you got a couple of days.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna practice on Wednesday, I'm gonna play on Sunday,
Speaker 1: and I did and had that interception on on Brett.
Speaker 1: You um, you played under Tony Dungee, John Gruden, Raheem Morris,
Speaker 1: Greg Schiano. What is your takeaway from each one of
Speaker 1: those man coaches? Make me go deep in the um. Look,
Speaker 1: Tony is the it's impossible to describe what it's like
Speaker 1: to play under Tony because Tony's such a humble leader.
Speaker 1: Uh and just a guy you didn't want to disappoint. Um. Um,
Speaker 1: I would say him. My biggest takeaway from him is
Speaker 1: that he put an expectation level on your on you,
Speaker 1: on me, every other player on the team. Uh. And
Speaker 1: he did it without having to force you to do it. You.
Speaker 1: He made you want to be a better version of yourself,
Speaker 1: or the best version of yourself, I could say, Uh, John,
Speaker 1: I loved his energy. Um. He was never really my coach.
Speaker 1: You know, we had coach on offense was jolly a
Speaker 1: coach on deepense, which was money, but his energy was
Speaker 1: impossible to replicate. I've never been around a coach with
Speaker 1: that kind of genuine like enthusiasm for what he was doing. Uh.
Speaker 1: And of course that that rubbed off on us as
Speaker 1: a football team. We want a super Bowl that year
Speaker 1: for a reason. Um. Again, he put expectations on his
Speaker 1: but it was in a totally different way than than
Speaker 1: Tony did. Um. But I used to love John's pregame speeches.
Speaker 1: I hardly remember what he said. You just you just
Speaker 1: felt him transferring the energy to his team. Uh. And
Speaker 1: I think that's a reason why he was successful here.
Speaker 1: Um Uh, Rahem, obviously he's you know most ever, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's there's there's not no a better way to say
Speaker 1: it than that. Uh. It wasn't great three years, but
Speaker 1: one year was really really good and it was really
Speaker 1: really fun the entire time. Rahem was young man, and
Speaker 1: you know, his energy was unlike John's and that it
Speaker 1: was uh like vibrant. You know, it was you know,
Speaker 1: kind of a learning experience for everybody. Um. But I
Speaker 1: will say that Raheem, what I take away from him
Speaker 1: is his his attention to detail. Uh. It didn't translate
Speaker 1: to to wins and losses for us, but for me, Uh,
Speaker 1: because I had him personally as a as a secondary coach,
Speaker 1: I knew what his detail meant. And uh he innovated
Speaker 1: things on defense for us for those couple of years
Speaker 1: that we wouldn't even tried before. Um, and we and
Speaker 1: we did it with with some young talent. So um,
Speaker 1: that's what I got from him. Siano. I mean there's
Speaker 1: a lot of good and bad things that went on
Speaker 1: in that in that two year regime with Shianno, but
Speaker 1: I will say this, I learned more about football, and
Speaker 1: probably because I was hearing it from a different uh
Speaker 1: prison than all my other years under that Tony M.
Speaker 1: Monty raheem kind of uh lineage of of of teachers
Speaker 1: to hear it from in a different way from Shianno.
Speaker 1: I have notes still that I took in his some
Speaker 1: of his meetings that I had for stuff that I
Speaker 1: had never heard come out of the head coaches now.
Speaker 1: But um, he had his quirks and he was my
Speaker 1: last coach. But I did come away with a little
Speaker 1: bit better understanding of football, maybe just because I've heard
Speaker 1: it differently, but I appreciate what he what he gave me,
Speaker 1: and he moved me to safety. The only thing I
Speaker 1: don't like about him because he didn't allow me to
Speaker 1: get two more sacks. I got two more sacks, and
Speaker 1: I'm I'm in a forty thirty club and nobody can
Speaker 1: mess with me. You needed three more picks too, because
Speaker 1: fifty thirty would be pretty say that's all right, Um,
Speaker 1: I told you we were gonna we're gonna ask for
Speaker 1: ten minutes of your time, and we're well passed out already,
Speaker 1: so apologies there, but it's just a lot of fun
Speaker 1: talking to you. So I just got one more question
Speaker 1: for you if it's okay, okay, what is it like?
Speaker 1: Scott's in a hurry to get rid of you me.
Speaker 1: I just said you could do a guy. We're gonna
Speaker 1: have a certain amount of time. I don't want to
Speaker 1: break my promises. It's rb. Yeah, soccer doesn't start for
Speaker 1: another twenty minutes. He's good. What is it like? I
Speaker 1: heard you say you were fitted for your bronze bust?
Speaker 1: What is that process? Oh? Man, that that was cool.
Speaker 1: So there's a there's a guy who's been doing it.
Speaker 1: I think there's only been two guys that fit to
Speaker 1: do the actual measurements of the of the bus. And
Speaker 1: this guy he's probably sixty years I wish I n
Speaker 1: his name. I should know this. I don't remember um.
Speaker 1: But yeah, you sit down in front of him. He
Speaker 1: starts talking to you and it's like he's just having
Speaker 1: a casual conversation. He's not even talking about the bust
Speaker 1: or anything else. And uh, he's just trying to get
Speaker 1: a feel for your personality, I think, and what kind
Speaker 1: of expression he's gonna give you. And so it's not
Speaker 1: just you know, the actual measurements, writing numbers down. It's
Speaker 1: it's more like a I don't know, like a like
Speaker 1: a like a soft interview to take it a feel
Speaker 1: for your personality a little bit at least that's what
Speaker 1: I took away from it. But then he has these
Speaker 1: two sheets and he's got the little measuring thing with
Speaker 1: the slide, Yeah, whatever that thing is. And he does
Speaker 1: it everywhere, you know, every little thing, you know, mouth, what, why,
Speaker 1: you know, what's your neck looks like? And uh. And
Speaker 1: then he has a guy that's writing down these these
Speaker 1: measurements and it's actually pretty cool. I got some I
Speaker 1: got some pretty fun pictures from it. But then I
Speaker 1: have to go out to Utah to see him in
Speaker 1: his studio and then he'll come here to do the
Speaker 1: final final bits of it after after the initial initial set.
Speaker 1: But uh, sizing Saturday at the Bowl is a is
Speaker 1: a pretty interesting and surreal kind of day. Jacket rang
Speaker 1: uh your only you get a couple of minutes UH
Speaker 1: to speak in front of your just your class and
Speaker 1: their families. UM, it was. It was pretty special. How
Speaker 1: is that in your class? Being able to interact with
Speaker 1: with uh, with your fellow h h O efforts right
Speaker 1: first of the way to put it, um, these uh,
Speaker 1: my classes and the modern candidates because those are the
Speaker 1: ones that I've played against, and you know we're on
Speaker 1: Pro Bowls with some of them. Um, it's a fantastic class, right.
Speaker 1: You got Darrell Rivas, who was another corners. Actually three
Speaker 1: corners going in if you include Ken Riley out of
Speaker 1: the senior committee. So three corners go in. But me
Speaker 1: and Darrell, um, you know, we were different types of players,
Speaker 1: which is which led to some really cool conversations that weekend.
Speaker 1: And I'm sure even more so because I studied throughout
Speaker 1: when he was playing. I wanted to learn how to
Speaker 1: be as good as him on the line of scrimmage,
Speaker 1: to be that bump man corner. Of course I was
Speaker 1: never that good at it. He's first about Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer for that reason, so picking his brain was awesome. Um,
Speaker 1: Joe Thomas, everybody has so much respect for him. He
Speaker 1: doesn't look like an offensive lineman anymore. It looks like
Speaker 1: a volleyball player something, a small forward in basketball. He's
Speaker 1: lost so much weight. But he was the prototype really
Speaker 1: of my era of left tackles, even though he didn't
Speaker 1: play on a good team. Um. So here and his
Speaker 1: stories are also unique, and he's got a big personality man,
Speaker 1: he's quiet, but when he starts talking like he's he's
Speaker 1: got some something about him. Uh. And of course, to
Speaker 1: Marcus where where everybody knows he's he probably could have
Speaker 1: gone in first bout last year. He gets in this
Speaker 1: year because he was one of the most dominant players
Speaker 1: of his era, uh, playing and and and Dallas and
Speaker 1: then in Denver where he won a Super Bowl. Zach
Speaker 1: Thomas is very similar to me in a regard, and
Speaker 1: this is you know, taking out you want it. But
Speaker 1: Zach and I are probably the two least likely Hall
Speaker 1: of famers, uh in the past couple of years because
Speaker 1: of our having to overcome people's expectations of us and
Speaker 1: what they thought we would be. And Zach wily even
Speaker 1: tell you, which was this was an awesome story he said.
Speaker 1: He said, all I wanted to do was come in
Speaker 1: and make special teams. I was undersized, five eleven, five
Speaker 1: ten whatever. He is, linebacker out of Texas Tech. And
Speaker 1: he said, Jimmy Johnson one time one day in training camp,
Speaker 1: and we must have been Uh. Is he older to me?
Speaker 1: I think he's. I think he's a year older, two
Speaker 1: year older. Mean, so I didn't get to see this,
Speaker 1: but he said, Jimmy Johnson came up to him and
Speaker 1: said they had a starting linebacker there, a guy who
Speaker 1: was older, and he's like, we're gonna cut him. You're starting,
Speaker 1: and he was like, like day one, you're starting day
Speaker 1: one in the NFL. And he's like, Jimmy Johnson empowered
Speaker 1: him to be the guy that he ended up being,
Speaker 1: but he didn't have those expectations up himself when he
Speaker 1: got there. So there'll be all these Hall of Fame
Speaker 1: type of story whereas to tell us, it's just they'll
Speaker 1: they'll come out and watch as we continue to talk
Speaker 1: and talk about being part of the Class of twenty
Speaker 1: twenty three. Man, it's pretty special. Okay, last question because
Speaker 1: I know Scott wants to let you go. Um, your
Speaker 1: brother Tiki. Is he in a good place now? Is
Speaker 1: he feeling good now? But all that's gone on? Yeah? Okay, Yeah,
Speaker 1: he's great. He's uh. I mean, I got a platform
Speaker 1: now to start talking up his more, talk up his candidacy.
Speaker 1: Running backs are getting a short stick man short end
Speaker 1: of it. I mean, I'm not sure why he's he's
Speaker 1: a ten thousand and five thousand yard rusher receiver and
Speaker 1: then has a thousand yards in return yarders. Nobody in
Speaker 1: NFL history has that. Um, you know, there's only three
Speaker 1: guys in his peer group while he was playing, and
Speaker 1: both of those guys were first about Hall of Famers
Speaker 1: and and Ladanian Thomlinson and Marshall Falk. So, um, I'll
Speaker 1: be glad to share my opinion about Tiki Barber, your
Speaker 1: Football Giants all time leading rusher. I mean, it's one
Speaker 1: of the storied franchise in the history of this game,
Speaker 1: professional football. Uh, and he doesn't get much attention for
Speaker 1: his accomplishment. So yeah, he's he's doing Okay, he's happy
Speaker 1: that I'm in. That's for. That's for, that's for. Damn sure. Well,
Speaker 1: I like what you said that since you were split
Speaker 1: from the same seed, he's going in too. I like that.
Speaker 1: I love that exactly. That's the best, all right, RANDI
Speaker 1: thanks a lot for your time. Congrats once again. If
Speaker 1: you've heard that a thousand times. But it never gets old, man,
Speaker 1: it will never get old. I will stop. I can
Speaker 1: be less salty now than I'm in. I don't have
Speaker 1: to be salty anymore, I can know. Yeah, just keep
Speaker 1: a little bit of that salt. Now you get to
Speaker 1: be more salty because you're all a famer or anything
Speaker 1: you say is like, well, you know he's all a famer.
Speaker 1: He's got to be right. Yeah, Now I could do whatever.
Speaker 1: I appreciate. We're loving be the license to do that. Appreciate. Well,
Speaker 1: we're looking forward to August. That's gonna be fun. That's
Speaker 1: that's very special, especially for thus said, been around a
Speaker 1: long time. All Right, it'll be a big party. Don't worry.
Speaker 1: We know who the band's going to be yet that okay,
Speaker 1: all right, thanks day, Thanks? All right, there we go.
Speaker 1: That was nice. I liked it, he responded. If he
Speaker 1: had responded to me saying we've gone overtime, but I said, hey,
Speaker 1: don't worry about it. Men go as long as we want,
Speaker 1: then I would have kept going yeah, But he didn't,
Speaker 1: so I assumed he did want to get off. No,
Speaker 1: he's a good guy. We got Listen. Here's the thing.
Speaker 1: How often are we going to get a Hall of
Speaker 1: Famer on the Salty Dogs? All right, that's the first one,
Speaker 1: isn't it. Yeah? I think, well, yeah, yeah, because we
Speaker 1: haven't had Brookes, Clinch or sap On. I ll have
Speaker 1: to work on that maybe during closer to UM. I
Speaker 1: think we didn had Tony Dungee on. Yeah this is
Speaker 1: number two. Yeah, okay, we all right? And I will
Speaker 1: say this. I was surprised by one thing on his
Speaker 1: takeaways from Coaches, and I was most surprised on his
Speaker 1: Greg Schiano take I was very surprised by that. It
Speaker 1: was I would have a harder time answering that question
Speaker 1: in a in a way that had any positivity in it.
Speaker 1: Uh me too. He made it clear that there was
Speaker 1: good and bad, but found some really yeah, I'm impressive stuff,
Speaker 1: So that's good. The only thing, the only thing I
Speaker 1: did miss is that I should ask him about Monty
Speaker 1: Kiffin because money was a big, big part of all
Speaker 1: of this too. He said that a little bit. He
Speaker 1: was talking about how John was one coach in Monty
Speaker 1: was their coach. But yeah, yeah, that was I did
Speaker 1: like the fact that he thought Raheem's years were fun,
Speaker 1: because I do too. He's gonna be an aad coach again,
Speaker 1: Raheem Morris, he does, and he'll have a better perspective
Speaker 1: on it this time around. Yeah. Well, you know, when
Speaker 1: you're forty two compared to thirty two, Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: life changes on you a little bit. But He's gone
Speaker 1: on to a lot of success since then, So that's good.
Speaker 1: You're right, he's getting his name back into the conversation. Right.
Speaker 1: So what else we got here for this edition of
Speaker 1: the Salty Dogs. Yeah, with our kind of convoluted one
Speaker 1: where we do we usually do the news and stuff
Speaker 1: up front, So that's what we'll get to now. Um. Oh,
Speaker 1: you know what I forgot to ask Rand don't want
Speaker 1: to ask him what about his former playing partner Brian Kelly.
Speaker 1: You know, they were the two starting cornerbacks for a
Speaker 1: long time. His son, Brian Kelly's son, which I think
Speaker 1: has pronounced kaye blue Kelly at corner at Stanford is
Speaker 1: like a top draft prospect this year. And how old?
Speaker 1: I know how old? That makes me feel? Yeah, wow,
Speaker 1: it's pretty crazy, huh, very crazy. I wanted to ask
Speaker 1: him about that because it's my opinion that Brian is
Speaker 1: one of the more underrated players in Buck's history. He
Speaker 1: had a long career. It was like enter eleven years. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I agree with that, and he was good pretty much
Speaker 1: the whole time. Yes, took him a few years to
Speaker 1: get into the starting line up because we had Ronde
Speaker 1: and Donnie Abraham and some other guys around. But once
Speaker 1: he got in the starting line up, I mean he
Speaker 1: led that Super Bowl team interceptions use the leading interceptor
Speaker 1: on that team, that incredible defense. Anyway, I don't think
Speaker 1: I'm getting a lot of pushback on man. You know, Okay,
Speaker 1: so what news do we have? Well, we got all
Speaker 1: we got our coaching staff in place. Now, Yeah, that's
Speaker 1: I'm pretty excited. I'm very excited. It's interesting because we
Speaker 1: parted ways with nine coaches, eventually brought one of them back,
Speaker 1: Jeff Castle. So you're part of coaches with ways with
Speaker 1: eight coaches, but only hired or promoted five. So that
Speaker 1: means we're leaving three positions that we had last year
Speaker 1: that we're just not going to fill this year. Three
Speaker 1: more seats on the airplane, good way to look at it.
Speaker 1: We had an offensive assistant in Rick Christophel. I mean,
Speaker 1: as possible they could at some point add these, but
Speaker 1: I don't believe at the moment the plan is to
Speaker 1: have any more coaches. We had assistant d line coach
Speaker 1: Lorie Locust. I guess they're just not going to have
Speaker 1: one of those now. And then you had the specialist
Speaker 1: Chris Bonial who worked with the kickers, right, but you
Speaker 1: still have your special teams coordinator and your assistant special
Speaker 1: teams coach, so you got plenty of coaching still for
Speaker 1: the kickers. Just so you know, I text drawn day
Speaker 1: and said thanks, that was fun, and he replied back,
Speaker 1: always buddy, there you go. So the new coaches, obviously,
Speaker 1: we start with the offensive coordinator. Dave Canalis Um loved
Speaker 1: his press conference. Yeah, he's got a lot of energy. Um,
Speaker 1: he's got away with words, which will be good when
Speaker 1: he's trying to, you know, you know, get a group
Speaker 1: of men together right in a new offense. Um. You know,
Speaker 1: he's I'm excited about it because he's from that whole
Speaker 1: kind of Rams forty nine ers tree Um, because he
Speaker 1: worked he worked under Shane Waldron in Seattle the last
Speaker 1: years and learned that offense and that came from the Rams.
Speaker 1: And then and then he's bringing Brad Iszick to be
Speaker 1: his wide receivers coach with him, so he'll be familiar
Speaker 1: with the system. And he was raving about how Brad
Speaker 1: always was putting an extra time on the on the
Speaker 1: practice field, working with somebody before and after practice, and
Speaker 1: so he's going to be very helpful to him in
Speaker 1: teaching this system too hard players. And then he got
Speaker 1: on the defensive side. You got George Edwards, who had
Speaker 1: been working most recently with Micah Parsons in Dallas because
Speaker 1: he was a senior offic defensive assistant in Dallas. He's
Speaker 1: been a defensive coordinator or co coordinator for three different teams.
Speaker 1: He's got a ton of experience. And Brianna Dicks are
Speaker 1: fellow buccaneer who's right now at the scouting combine. Got
Speaker 1: a quote from him from Micah Parsons, and it's a
Speaker 1: kind of a lengthy quote, but the important part of
Speaker 1: it was Micah said that George Edwards was crucial to
Speaker 1: his development. And we know how good of a player
Speaker 1: Mike Parsons, and he's been better than anybody even expected
Speaker 1: when he was drafted. So that's kind of exciting too.
Speaker 1: And then the quarterbacks coach is your promotion of Dad
Speaker 1: Lewis from within and and Dave Knas was talking a
Speaker 1: lot about um, you know what he sees in Lewis
Speaker 1: and why he got that job, And I think everybody
Speaker 1: coach Bulls did the same thing yesterday. I think everybody's
Speaker 1: pretty excited about what Dad can do. In that position,
Speaker 1: and how well he knows the quarterback position. He was
Speaker 1: an NFL quarterback, so, um you know there, I think
Speaker 1: they're all pretty exciting hires personally. Yeah, I I just
Speaker 1: like the energy level. Um. You know, you talk about
Speaker 1: it's a little bit of the Rams offense, which would
Speaker 1: if you go way way back, it's it's it's a
Speaker 1: branch out of the John Gruden offense because m McVeigh
Speaker 1: was here, then they went to and so was Kyle Shanahan,
Speaker 1: and then they went to Washington and they honed their
Speaker 1: skills there and each one became a head coach and
Speaker 1: you know, like anything else, you had your own touches,
Speaker 1: and you had this and that. But I really like, um,
Speaker 1: Dave's attitude. It sounds like he's going to be able
Speaker 1: to communicate with the players. Um. I think that. Um
Speaker 1: you know, Kyle Trask is our only quarterback on the
Speaker 1: roster as we record this, and UM, you know, I
Speaker 1: think they all kind of look forward to, like getting
Speaker 1: a hold of someone before someone else had you. You
Speaker 1: know what I'm saying. You get them older guy a
Speaker 1: great deal. Um, And so I'm looking I'm looking forward
Speaker 1: to it. I think the best line he had though
Speaker 1: out of his whole press conference is uh, you know,
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna have a couple of hard knocks
Speaker 1: come my way, but it's gonna it's gonna work out.
Speaker 1: And I like that attitude. He's not, you know, like
Speaker 1: all everything's just going to be perfect. But uh, it's
Speaker 1: certainly if you had to start off on the right
Speaker 1: foot he did, and if he had to win, he
Speaker 1: I thought he won his press conference with the media
Speaker 1: and with people wondering, hey, who is this guy? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think you're probably gonna run the ball a little
Speaker 1: bit more. And that's not a bad thing, I guess, right,
Speaker 1: It just well if we can do it successfully. Obviously,
Speaker 1: he also said what coach bos Away says that it's
Speaker 1: really not about balance, right, It's about whatever's working. But still,
Speaker 1: I think teams are finding that it's it's hard to
Speaker 1: consistently succeed at offense if you've got nothing at all
Speaker 1: going on in the rushing attack, because it gives the
Speaker 1: defense one less thing to worry about. You know, you
Speaker 1: can't they don't have to load up the box. You
Speaker 1: get more people in coverage if you have a more
Speaker 1: credible threat on the ground, that helps the passing attack.
Speaker 1: And all the fans that were complaining because there wasn't
Speaker 1: any motion, get ready because you're gonna have to take
Speaker 1: seeks sea sickness pills because there's gonna be a ton
Speaker 1: of motion with this offense. Yeah, I thought it was interesting.
Speaker 1: He said, it's a limited number of plays with a
Speaker 1: whole ton of looks simple in design, but complex and execution.
Speaker 1: They put it. So the point the point is you're
Speaker 1: that you're making is they will run a lot of
Speaker 1: the same plays, but they're not always going to look
Speaker 1: the same before the snap, right before the motion, or
Speaker 1: after the motion. So that makes it easier for the
Speaker 1: players to learn as long as they can learn to
Speaker 1: be in the right spot. They don't have as many
Speaker 1: plays that they at least at the beginning, as they
Speaker 1: that they have to learn. And then he said, you
Speaker 1: find out what how much they can handle, and then
Speaker 1: you give them just a little bit more, and then
Speaker 1: once they can handle that, you give them a little
Speaker 1: bit more. So it'll be a developing kind of offense.
Speaker 1: Probably in the early days, but it was last year too,
Speaker 1: to be honest with you. They kept talking about that
Speaker 1: all seasons, so it doesn't always just perfectly fall into place,
Speaker 1: like say twenty twenty one, when it was just a
Speaker 1: well well oiled machine across the board. I'm actually looking
Speaker 1: forward to this this season more just because there's so
Speaker 1: many unknowns. Yeah, that it's kind of it's like a reset,
Speaker 1: you know for us that with the team for a
Speaker 1: long time and getting to know people and seeing different things.
Speaker 1: Uh So I'm totally I'm optimistic. We're gonna get season.
Speaker 1: We're gonna we have Kyle Trask and we're gonna get
Speaker 1: a couple more quarterbacks share in the building. You have
Speaker 1: to write. So um and when that happens. If sounded
Speaker 1: me from listening to coach and Jason Light yesterday that
Speaker 1: while they are they Jason and particular seems to feel
Speaker 1: really good about um, Kyle Trask's you know, possible future
Speaker 1: in the NFL. But when these other quarterbacks arrived, it's
Speaker 1: going to be a competition and that'll be interesting. To
Speaker 1: your point, we loved having Tom Brady and we would
Speaker 1: have loved to have had one more year obviously, sure,
Speaker 1: but you haven't had really had a quarterback competition here
Speaker 1: for a while. Right last time maybe was like fits
Speaker 1: and jamis maybe, Yeah, and then after that, I mean
Speaker 1: even for the four years that h Jamis, Yeah, Jamis
Speaker 1: was nineteen and then uh, it really a quarterback controversy
Speaker 1: in nineteen. In fact, everyone thought that if you know,
Speaker 1: if Jamis had performed well, he would ended up with
Speaker 1: that huge contract, you know, which is still chasing now.
Speaker 1: But you're right going back all the way to the
Speaker 1: twenty fifteen draft, because he was immediately the starter. That
Speaker 1: means it's been since the least twenty fourteen and what
Speaker 1: was that that was Josh McCown here, right, Yeah, And
Speaker 1: I don't think there was a real competition there either.
Speaker 1: We haven't really had one of these. And maybe as
Speaker 1: a franchise you'd rather know who your quarterback isn't know
Speaker 1: that he's awesome. But that's not always the case unless
Speaker 1: you're Green Bay and you luck into Farvar Rodgers for
Speaker 1: thirty years. But most teams at some point have to
Speaker 1: go through this, and while it's not necessarily exactly where
Speaker 1: you want to be, it's still kind of interesting. Well, yeah,
Speaker 1: that and you know, Patrick Mahomes was in Patrick Mahomes
Speaker 1: when he got drafted. Number of teams passed him by
Speaker 1: during the draft. You know, Tom Brady, this Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: the same thing. Right, you look at Purdy for San Francisco, right,
Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sure they didn't get overly excited to go, oh, geez,
Speaker 1: now we're down the party. Oh we're in good shape.
Speaker 1: But they made at work, and he surprised everybody. And
Speaker 1: you know, we could end up that way. Who knows
Speaker 1: all The only thing we know is down the road,
Speaker 1: we're going to discuss this and go, wow, we didn't
Speaker 1: see that coming. Or you may say I did see
Speaker 1: that coming. The offense that we should end up with,
Speaker 1: considering who he hired in the background and all the stuff,
Speaker 1: the connections with the Rams and forty Niners and all that.
Speaker 1: Those are quarterback friendly offenses. I mean, you see Russell
Speaker 1: Wilson gets traded and his very first season anywhere else
Speaker 1: is by far his worst season ever. And then they
Speaker 1: go with Geno Smith and they spend the whole off
Speaker 1: season telling everybody, no, Geno's good. You know, there's a
Speaker 1: competition with Drew Locke, but we're not just saying this,
Speaker 1: Geno's actually good. We like him. And then he goes
Speaker 1: out there and this fantastic and you know that's obviously
Speaker 1: great when you think about the fact that his quarterback
Speaker 1: coach is now our offensive coordinator, but also just that
Speaker 1: this should be a very quarterback friendly offense. That'll make
Speaker 1: the if it's Kyle Trask, if it's somebody else, that'll
Speaker 1: make the transition a little easier, and maybe the offense
Speaker 1: will be more successful than a lot of people are
Speaker 1: imagining it will be right now, right, And it wasn't
Speaker 1: like Geno Smith was a you know, everyone thought was
Speaker 1: an awesome elite quarterback. I mean even though he you know,
Speaker 1: he got drafted high, it just didn't pan out. He'd
Speaker 1: been a journeyman for like the previous eight years. It
Speaker 1: started like three games total in that span or five
Speaker 1: or something like that. Yeah, it's crazy, but I guess
Speaker 1: it's like anything else. You know, if you get with
Speaker 1: the right system and the right coaches, that brings the
Speaker 1: talent out. So another topic. ESPN recently did its first
Speaker 1: power rankings for the thirty two teams for twenty twenty three.
Speaker 1: And I know that those are silly. I'm about to
Speaker 1: the thud you here is my head hitting night acrophone.
Speaker 1: Power rankings are silly, but I'll tell you this, everybody
Speaker 1: reads them just like mock drafts chat. Everybody reads him.
Speaker 1: I know I do. I will say this, I do
Speaker 1: read them. Yeah, I don't use the power rankings because
Speaker 1: I think that's kind of silly. Just hey, we have
Speaker 1: standings for a reason. But I do read mock drafts
Speaker 1: a lot. But anyway, this power ranking all four teams
Speaker 1: in the NFC South or in the bottom ten of
Speaker 1: their rankings. So I mean, if they're anywhere close to right,
Speaker 1: this thing is wide open. Yeah, you know, there's a
Speaker 1: reason the Buccaneers should be thinking, hey, we can win
Speaker 1: this division again. Sure Kyle Trask or whoever else we
Speaker 1: bring in right right. Obviously complicating the factor is that
Speaker 1: the Bucks don't know if they're going to lose some
Speaker 1: other players because the stalary cap situation. If they're gonna
Speaker 1: be able to sign anybody new, it's not gonna be easy.
Speaker 1: It'll get done because it has to get done. But
Speaker 1: you got to get from fifty five million under the
Speaker 1: cap or the cap too compliant by March fifteenth, and
Speaker 1: then you have to try to build up a little
Speaker 1: bit of cushion too to sign your draft picks and
Speaker 1: any other free agents or resigning some of these guys. Sure,
Speaker 1: I'm not saying that it's going to be you know,
Speaker 1: it's gonna be an off year, But I will say this,
Speaker 1: I am not disappointed that as an organization, the thing
Speaker 1: that happened happened because you know, you want a super
Speaker 1: Bowl and you want two NFC South Division crowns. So
Speaker 1: you did. Yeah, you did what you needed to do.
Speaker 1: And now you know, you put that one together. And
Speaker 1: who's not saying you can't put another one together. Yeah,
Speaker 1: that's the whole point. Right now, you're not there at
Speaker 1: the moment, but Jason Lytton, Todd, Bulls and others get
Speaker 1: the opportunity to try to build it up and it
Speaker 1: won't be the same, it'll be different, which is what
Speaker 1: they said yesterday. In fact, both both Todd this I'm
Speaker 1: talking about that are at the Combine and most of
Speaker 1: the coaches and gyms go to the podium for fifteen
Speaker 1: minutes for the media on Tuesdays at the Combine, and
Speaker 1: they both did, and they both said very very similar
Speaker 1: things along the lines of we still have short term
Speaker 1: goals and we still want to compete for the division title,
Speaker 1: but we're not going to do things to sacrifice our
Speaker 1: long term goals and we think we can do both
Speaker 1: at the same time, but they are thinking about the
Speaker 1: fact that it could it could take a little We
Speaker 1: don't know. Maybe we'll be right back in the playoffs
Speaker 1: and maybe everything would be awesome, but it could take
Speaker 1: a while to build back up to the point where
Speaker 1: you're on the cusp of it, where you were in
Speaker 1: twenty twenty twenty. And then after you win the Super Bowl,
Speaker 1: you basically sell out to keep going by resigning everybody
Speaker 1: and backloading a bunch of contracts, which is why the
Speaker 1: Bucks are in the camp situation they are. Now. This
Speaker 1: is not a surprise. The Bucks didn't wake up and go,
Speaker 1: oh my god, how did this happen? They knew this
Speaker 1: was going to happen. But it was the price of
Speaker 1: doing business to keep all those players and to keep
Speaker 1: the team playoff caliber for three years in a row,
Speaker 1: and especially especially as long as Tom Brady was here. Right, Sure,
Speaker 1: So you want to get back to that point where
Speaker 1: you are, Okay, now we're on the cusp again. Now
Speaker 1: it's time to start selling all out again. And I'm
Speaker 1: fine with that. Yeah, And you know what, I think
Speaker 1: the disappointment of last year was that the expectations was
Speaker 1: so high as they should be, and I think the
Speaker 1: expectations are going to be, you know, to win a course,
Speaker 1: you'll always go in with that. But I think that
Speaker 1: people are gonna be a little more acceptable, are accepting
Speaker 1: of some growing pains, and that's what we're gonna have.
Speaker 1: We're gonna have some growing pains. But I'm all in.
Speaker 1: I'm excited about it. I'm looking forward to see who
Speaker 1: we end up with and how it all pans out,
Speaker 1: and that's going to be the fun part during the
Speaker 1: off season. Yeah, you know, we haven't done well to
Speaker 1: stick with this subject for a minute. What do you
Speaker 1: think all the teams in this division are going to
Speaker 1: do about the quarterback position? Because there's nobody in this division,
Speaker 1: there's no team in this division there should feel like
Speaker 1: they're set right now. Well, as I look at the
Speaker 1: at my monitor, my TV monitor on the NFL Network
Speaker 1: channel right now, looking underneath it, I keep seeing Derek
Speaker 1: Carr met with the Panthers, He's meeting with the Saints,
Speaker 1: met with the Jets. All in all, I think the
Speaker 1: Panthers are most likely out of that. Yeah, I think
Speaker 1: Derek Carr is going to end up in the NFC South.
Speaker 1: I really do. I don't know which team, but I
Speaker 1: think he ends up in the South. The Panthers are
Speaker 1: more in a position to do this because the Saints
Speaker 1: have a horrible cap situation too, and Derek car is
Speaker 1: gonna want thirty five forty million dollars per year, uh,
Speaker 1: you know, And the Panthers have an owner who made
Speaker 1: it clear as soon as he bought that team that
Speaker 1: the number one goal was to find the quarterback. And
Speaker 1: they've been trying to do that. And I'll say they've
Speaker 1: been going through the quarterbacks trying to find them. They've
Speaker 1: been drying, yeah, and it hasn't really worked out now
Speaker 1: Derek Carr. I know, Derek Carr has his critics and
Speaker 1: his and people that like him quite a bit. I'm
Speaker 1: probably about in the middle, but I think the criticism
Speaker 1: sometimes is a little strong. If you look at his numbers,
Speaker 1: he's had some pretty darn good seasons and you get
Speaker 1: Sam Darnold. He hadn't been very good in um In
Speaker 1: with the Jets. He just was a very high pick.
Speaker 1: And you before that, you tried Teddy Bridgewater and you know,
Speaker 1: he never really had a huge amount of success. Thinks,
Speaker 1: apart to an early knee and dream his career. But
Speaker 1: he did have success with the Saints when Drew Brees
Speaker 1: went down, and that's and that's what made him still.
Speaker 1: That was like five games, correct, but it was five
Speaker 1: wins in a row, so that kind of boosted the Yeah.
Speaker 1: But my point is, Derek Carr has been playing for
Speaker 1: what eight nine years something like that and nothing like that.
Speaker 1: Been pretty good, pretty consistent producer throughout. So you know,
Speaker 1: you could say the Carolinas, okay, we tried the trades.
Speaker 1: Well they also tried Baker Mayfield, right, Yeah, and so
Speaker 1: he hadn't he'd had some success early in his career.
Speaker 1: I think his second season was pretty good, but overall
Speaker 1: kind of fell apart there. And don't forget they brought
Speaker 1: Cam back because they thought that was gonna work too. Yeah.
Speaker 1: Cam obviously had a great track record of success air,
Speaker 1: but I think he was kind of washed by that point. Um,
Speaker 1: So Derek Carr is a little bit of a different animal.
Speaker 1: And you could say, you'd say that the Panthers have
Speaker 1: already tried this, this bringing a veteran thing several times.
Speaker 1: It hasn't really worked out, so they should probably focus on, um,
Speaker 1: you know, getting a quarterback in this draft, even if
Speaker 1: they have to trade up a little bit. I think
Speaker 1: that nine. They can probably get Anthony Richardson at nine,
Speaker 1: but they probably have to trade up for any of
Speaker 1: the other three. Instead of doing that, they can sit
Speaker 1: there and get some more help for whoever their quarterback is.
Speaker 1: At nine, they don't have to trade and give up
Speaker 1: any other assets. And they can if they signed Derek Carr,
Speaker 1: they can just go that way, right, yeah. Or you
Speaker 1: signed Derek Carr, you structure the contract so that you
Speaker 1: can get out of it after a season or two
Speaker 1: without some big, huge penalty, and you you do draft
Speaker 1: a quarterback if he falls to you at nine. But
Speaker 1: dad's a lot of money. That's like forty million dollars.
Speaker 1: That's a lot of your quarterbacks cost, now, I know,
Speaker 1: but geez, you better be sure you can't miss. That's
Speaker 1: what they want now though. Man. Yeah, I mean it's
Speaker 1: kind of crazy when you look at it is that
Speaker 1: Tom Brady was playing for like twenty twenty five mill
Speaker 1: and other guys are getting forty. So it's crazy. But
Speaker 1: I know how it worked, sure, Sure, and then you
Speaker 1: got the same If it's my guests, the car ends
Speaker 1: up in Charlotte and Obviously he's not gonna up in
Speaker 1: New Orleans. Andy Dalton is a free agent. I kind
Speaker 1: of doubt they bring him back. They still have Jameis
Speaker 1: Winston under contract for one more year, but I think
Speaker 1: they made it pretty clear last year that they don't
Speaker 1: think he's the answer because he got back from his
Speaker 1: injury and they just it's not like Dalton was lighting
Speaker 1: the place up. They didn't put it in there. That's
Speaker 1: all they got, unless you consider Tasom Hill a quarterback,
Speaker 1: which I don't think they do anymore. So they're going
Speaker 1: to be in the market, but they don't have a
Speaker 1: lot of cap space, at least at the moment. And
Speaker 1: then you got the the Falcons, who could consider themselves
Speaker 1: set at the position because they spent a third room
Speaker 1: pick on Ritter and then they started him last year.
Speaker 1: They eventually and they just cut Marcus Marriott to too.
Speaker 1: So they clearly are going with Ritter going into a
Speaker 1: second season. But I don't think it's smart to assume
Speaker 1: that Ritter's going to work out for their sakes. You know,
Speaker 1: I hope they're optimistic to the will. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we know that yet, right well, you don't, and
Speaker 1: that's kind of the same situation we're in. Yeah, we
Speaker 1: spent a second round pick for Kyle Trask, and we
Speaker 1: don't know what, we don't know what we don't have.
Speaker 1: You know, I'm going to go the other way with it.
Speaker 1: And I do like the fact that, you know, it's competition,
Speaker 1: so you have to bring people in and it's you know,
Speaker 1: you got a fair shake at it, and you know,
Speaker 1: let's let's be honest here, Um, Kyle was not going
Speaker 1: to play many games with Tom Brady here right. Yeah,
Speaker 1: everybody knew that. Yeah, especially because we had the preferred
Speaker 1: Tom Brady backup on the roster too with playing Gabert
Speaker 1: so correct, so nobody nobody expected kind of play these
Speaker 1: last two years. No, No, but I do like the
Speaker 1: fact that Todd and m and Jason both said they
Speaker 1: liked Kyle's work ethic. They liked how even though he
Speaker 1: wasn't the guy or whatever, he was doing what he
Speaker 1: was supposed to do. Yeah. Apparently that also extends to like, um,
Speaker 1: resculpting his body a little bit. Yeah, you know, maybe
Speaker 1: he's a little bit leaner. They say he moves better
Speaker 1: now when he came out of college. So that's good.
Speaker 1: He's got an arm. There's no question about that. He
Speaker 1: had a lot of success in Florida. Um, so you
Speaker 1: know it's worth finding out. Yeah, as Jason Light said
Speaker 1: yesterday at the podium, we didn't spend a second round pick.
Speaker 1: If you try to get a third string quarterback, you
Speaker 1: always spend a secon round pick. Because we thought he
Speaker 1: could be something. I'm glad, I'm glad he's thinking that
Speaker 1: way and now he and now is the first time
Speaker 1: that Kyle is going to get extended time with the
Speaker 1: other starters. So the first one you'll finally find out
Speaker 1: right right right right now. It's going to be up
Speaker 1: to him to be able to pick up the playbook.
Speaker 1: And so it's going to be a little bit of
Speaker 1: a learning process because everybody has to learn that probably
Speaker 1: in his favor, right he's not, He's that gonna be behind.
Speaker 1: I would think so, yes, So whatever other quarterbacks we
Speaker 1: bring in, everybody's gonna be starting at at the ground
Speaker 1: level zero learning it together. Ye all right, Well that's
Speaker 1: the quarterback situation in the NFC South. Yeah. You know,
Speaker 1: we haven't done one of these since the Super Bowl.
Speaker 1: I know, any reactions to the Super Bowl, I would
Speaker 1: say I feel the same way that pretty much everybody does.
Speaker 1: It was an awesome game. It was that because of
Speaker 1: that ill timed but correctly called penalty. Agree at the
Speaker 1: end the last couple of minutes, we're not nearly as
Speaker 1: exciting as it looked like they were shaping up to be,
Speaker 1: which it wasn't wrong, but it was No I and
Speaker 1: I agree it was the right call. It's too bad
Speaker 1: that it happened when it happened. But if you would
Speaker 1: look at that same situation clockwise, but let's just say
Speaker 1: they were ten points behind and they needed to score,
Speaker 1: get the ball back and try to score again. If
Speaker 1: you don't call that holding call, people would be in
Speaker 1: an uproar over it. So I think I think what
Speaker 1: got people more upset wasn't so much the call, It
Speaker 1: was the situation. You know. But I but if it's
Speaker 1: a holding penalty, it's a holding penalty. And I think
Speaker 1: you said it to me that if you don't call it,
Speaker 1: you're letting the other team cheat. Yeah, if they know
Speaker 1: it's not going to be called, and they're going to
Speaker 1: be holding the same thing with the offensive and defensive lemen, right, So, yeah,
Speaker 1: the Riffs have a hard job. We all know that oh, yeah,
Speaker 1: in question, but they have to focus on. If they're
Speaker 1: looking at something and they see Appenally you throw the flag.
Speaker 1: You're not thinking what the situation is, which team needs
Speaker 1: it more? You just oh, I see Appenally, I throw
Speaker 1: the flag. Now, as viewers, we can understand that there's
Speaker 1: nothing wrong with the process, but still wish it hadn't
Speaker 1: happened because the last couple of minutes would have been
Speaker 1: more exciting. However, I personally was reading for the Chiefs,
Speaker 1: being a former Chief employee. Yeah, so I didn't mind
Speaker 1: too much. Well, the thing was, it wasn't so much
Speaker 1: that his arm was around him. What got him in
Speaker 1: trouble was that when the jersey comes pulls out from you. Yeah,
Speaker 1: you got an issue there. So when the guy has
Speaker 1: gone past you, yeah, you're behind him and the jersey's
Speaker 1: coming out in your hand. Yeah. Yeah, it's it's pretty obvious,
Speaker 1: but it was. It was good, and uh, it made
Speaker 1: me feel even better about the Buccaneer Super Bowl win
Speaker 1: over the Kansas City Chiefs because to hold them the
Speaker 1: nine points is pretty spectacular. Yeah. Well, the obvious and
Speaker 1: important reason or the difference between those two games is
Speaker 1: that Kansas City had offensive line injuries coming into our
Speaker 1: super move and if that was the reason, or also
Speaker 1: that we just played really really well, like Shack and
Speaker 1: Sue and all them. We harassed Patrick Mahomes all day. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean, he still made some unbelievable plays. But that
Speaker 1: was the difference in this game. Whether it was a
Speaker 1: combination of the field conditions, the subpar field conditions which
Speaker 1: all the players complained about afterwards, yeah, or that Kansas
Speaker 1: City's offensive line has improved quite a bit in the
Speaker 1: last couple of years. They didn't sack him once. This
Speaker 1: team had seventy sacks in the regular season Philadelphia, third
Speaker 1: most in a season in NFL history, and they didn't
Speaker 1: sack him once. They barely touched him. You know, you
Speaker 1: brought up the field conditions. I was reading an article
Speaker 1: about that that the thought is that the reason why
Speaker 1: the field was so slick was they watered it on
Speaker 1: Wednesday and then they rolled it in. They didn't really
Speaker 1: let it dry out, which which isn't the real problem.
Speaker 1: The problem was they put a tarp over it and
Speaker 1: hold it in so that when they were um practicing
Speaker 1: half time and all that's all that other hoopla that
Speaker 1: goes on the field. Um, it kind of kept all
Speaker 1: the moisture in there and it started to get like mildewey.
Speaker 1: That's why it had a funky smell to it. As
Speaker 1: an interesting Yeah, um so because that's real grass, you know.
Speaker 1: They they slide it in and slide it out. But um,
Speaker 1: now those were all the opinions, if I'm not wrong,
Speaker 1: of George Thoma, the legend Yes, the legendary field NFL
Speaker 1: field guy and correct ninety three years old. The sad father, Yes,
Speaker 1: the sad father. Uh. A little bit of that. As
Speaker 1: I read some of that article too, a little bit
Speaker 1: of that felt a little bit like finger pointing to me. Yeah,
Speaker 1: because he was the one in charge and he was
Speaker 1: this expert and then it all goes wrong. He's well,
Speaker 1: it wasn't my fault, it's because they did this. Yeah,
Speaker 1: well but who's who's you know? Apparently Well when we played,
Speaker 1: when we played on Christmas Eve, or rather Christmas Day, Uh,
Speaker 1: the field was slick, if you if you remember, I do.
Speaker 1: I think it's just that turf. I mean, it's just
Speaker 1: but if you know going in there that the turf
Speaker 1: is gonna be slight, you're gonna be sliding around, then change.
Speaker 1: I don't think they didn't know that well. I think
Speaker 1: Kansas City played there in the beginning of the year
Speaker 1: and they were saying that it was it was slick
Speaker 1: at that stadium, so not as bad Germany, right, No, yeah,
Speaker 1: but they do that because of a soccer ball or
Speaker 1: the right so it slides and doesn't just not stop
Speaker 1: the mud. Other than the whole how it ended thing
Speaker 1: and the fact that both mahomes and and um Jaalen
Speaker 1: Hurts were fantastic, the biggest takeaway from that game is
Speaker 1: I was waiting for Andy Reid to break out some
Speaker 1: trick play, right, Yeah, something we've never seen before any
Speaker 1: It kind of didn't happen, but it's sort of He
Speaker 1: had one really fiendish play design that I had never
Speaker 1: seen before. And you probably know what I'm talking about.
Speaker 1: The two short touchdown passes, right. It's just brilliant film study,
Speaker 1: is what it is. Because the reason it's worked out,
Speaker 1: if anybody didn't see or doesn't remember, there's a receiver
Speaker 1: split out wide to one side. He starts to go
Speaker 1: in motion and at that point the defense and they
Speaker 1: had figured out that the defense was going to do this,
Speaker 1: they start switching off. So the guy that was covering him. No,
Speaker 1: they don't want to, they don't want to follow him.
Speaker 1: It's not a right man, it's his own. So he turns.
Speaker 1: The guy that's on him immediately turns around and points
Speaker 1: to another guy and they all start shifting who they're
Speaker 1: responsible for. While he's turned around doing this, the dude
Speaker 1: just turns around, goes back the other direction. He's wide open,
Speaker 1: and it's brilliant and it's it's first of all, it's
Speaker 1: being creative because I've never seen that before. And then
Speaker 1: as soon as it happens, you're like, that was a
Speaker 1: really good but also sort of obvious idea. Why didn't
Speaker 1: anybody think of this before? And somebody's probably done it.
Speaker 1: I'm but I don't know. You're gonna see a lot this,
Speaker 1: you'll see it a lot this year. But then, um, well,
Speaker 1: defenses are gonna have to be aware. You can't turn
Speaker 1: your back on the guy. You could start switching off,
Speaker 1: but you gotta be ready to switch back. And they
Speaker 1: just assumed he was gonna keep going away across and
Speaker 1: then they did it again and it worked both times. Well.
Speaker 1: The thing too, is if they don't bite on it,
Speaker 1: it's a running play. Oh, it turns into it turns
Speaker 1: into a running play. So if he doesn't Yeah, if
Speaker 1: he doesn't bite, then okay, we're gonna run it, Mahomes says.
Speaker 1: As soon as the play start, he's like, oh no,
Speaker 1: I know we got him. Yeah, but that is that
Speaker 1: that's another brilliant part of that play design, because you
Speaker 1: have a way out of being in a bad position
Speaker 1: because if he doesn't bite, then it's that guy's not open,
Speaker 1: but you have another option. Sure, it is very, very smart.
Speaker 1: I love that. That was my favorite part of the
Speaker 1: super I agree, I agree with that, And I thought
Speaker 1: halftime was pretty good too, fine. I mean, Rihanna is fantastic. Sure,
Speaker 1: all those songs are great. I like all of them.
Speaker 1: But until she got to the very end with I
Speaker 1: Think Umbrella and yeah one other big one I don't remember,
Speaker 1: and she was really belting those out to me, the
Speaker 1: rest of it all sounded the same, no matter what
Speaker 1: song she was singing, right, it was all the same.
Speaker 1: Those floating platforms were cool as hell y. Yeah, very
Speaker 1: and then the little sort of reveal that she was
Speaker 1: pregnant was cool. Yeah, he's well, yeah, you spent the
Speaker 1: first five minutes you think she's pregnant. I don't know
Speaker 1: if you think she's pregnant, she looks like she's pregnant,
Speaker 1: or is it just the outfit. No, I don't think
Speaker 1: it's the outfit. I think she is pregnant. Yeah. The
Speaker 1: conversations that happened during the during this time, and then
Speaker 1: as soon as the super Bowl ended there they put
Speaker 1: out that, yes, she was pregnant. Yeah, yeah, and that
Speaker 1: was that was a neat little part of it. But
Speaker 1: I wasn't overwhelmed by the performance. I'm not I'm not
Speaker 1: slagging on Rhan at all. I think she's fantastic. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I just some people were going crazy about this like
Speaker 1: it was the greatest half. I'm sure they've ever seen him, Like,
Speaker 1: all right, it was. I I you know what, I
Speaker 1: think that it's like anything else, it's it's the halftime show.
Speaker 1: Everybody wants to critiquet. Everybody has to go, oh, this
Speaker 1: is bad, this is you know. I think they're all
Speaker 1: good in their own way. You know, it's just not
Speaker 1: for everybody. Well I'll tell you this, Jeff. We're doing
Speaker 1: this on Zoom because we we wanted we didn't want
Speaker 1: to make Ronde come in here, or asked them in here,
Speaker 1: but you and I are sitting next door to each
Speaker 1: other right now, and I can hear you through the wall.
Speaker 1: So my point is, I'm here in Tampa in my
Speaker 1: office and I'm not an end at the Combine for
Speaker 1: the first time and probably at least a decade, if
Speaker 1: not more. And yes, I'm so happy not to go.
Speaker 1: I am surprised that you're not there. Well, really am.
Speaker 1: We had another option and we sent Bree right, so
Speaker 1: it's her first opportunity to experience that event. She's out
Speaker 1: there Covernant doing a great job. So I didn't need
Speaker 1: to go in case he wasn't going to be there,
Speaker 1: so we weren't going to do any videos, right, So
Speaker 1: it was just an opportunity. You're becoming like the head
Speaker 1: coaches now you're just gonna watch it on TV and
Speaker 1: be ready to go. You don't have to be there anymore.
Speaker 1: I do think we were talking about this, you know,
Speaker 1: a couple of coaches decided not to go, and I thought,
Speaker 1: maybe what they say, they want to stay at their
Speaker 1: offices and work on you know, getting ready for the
Speaker 1: draft of free see or their their offseason program. But
Speaker 1: I wondered if someone were like if I don't go,
Speaker 1: then I don't have to do media day. But then
Speaker 1: I find out that they don't really have to, and
Speaker 1: that a couple more coaches than usual decided not to
Speaker 1: do it this year. Right, It sounds like a trend
Speaker 1: to me because if I'm a head coach and I
Speaker 1: don't if I like doing it, fine, or if I'm
Speaker 1: fine with it, fine, But if I don't really like
Speaker 1: doing it, and I look around and go, well, those
Speaker 1: five guys didn't do it, why do I have to
Speaker 1: do it? Yeah? I think I think a lot of
Speaker 1: it is how much you need to get your club
Speaker 1: in the forefront. Yeah, and how much are you trying
Speaker 1: to sell your agenda? Okay, that's fair. That's some of
Speaker 1: the coaches and GMS could see this as a very
Speaker 1: helpful platform, where let's see it as a as a nuisance.
Speaker 1: So this year, So this year, Sean Payton did it
Speaker 1: as the new head coach of the Broncos. Now we'll
Speaker 1: see next year if he does it right, because you
Speaker 1: know this year he wanted to get in front of
Speaker 1: it of being the new head coach and Russell Wilson
Speaker 1: and Koumbaya moments right now, you know they have a
Speaker 1: lot of campfires in Denvers, so it'll be awesome. That's funny,
Speaker 1: all right, man. I don't get anything else, un I do.
Speaker 1: I really don't. I really know the whole point of
Speaker 1: this was talked to Randys. But I do have two questions. Okay,
Speaker 1: let's go do I do like to try to get
Speaker 1: to all questions. There's not much in the mailbox because
Speaker 1: I haven't done this. We haven't really been doing it
Speaker 1: since the end of the season. So this one is
Speaker 1: from A and these are two new people, which is
Speaker 1: cool because we tend to have some guys that sent
Speaker 1: us a lot. But I appreciate Remember I don't remember
Speaker 1: these names at all. This one is from A. Richard
Speaker 1: tara Oka from San Gabriel, California. I probably did not
Speaker 1: pronounce that last name right. He says, hello, salty years.
Speaker 1: Now that our season is done and the Super Bowl
Speaker 1: is among us, I think he probably means behind us.
Speaker 1: A lot of US fans are starting to look towards
Speaker 1: the draft. The last time we picked at nineteenth overall,
Speaker 1: we selected tight end O. J. Howard. I can't help
Speaker 1: but think that throughout the NFL draft history, who were
Speaker 1: some notable players that were picked at nineteenth overall. I
Speaker 1: understand there's a chance we trade back her up, so
Speaker 1: this question may not be relevant by the time we
Speaker 1: make our first selection this year. I just want to
Speaker 1: have hope that if we are picking at nineteen, he
Speaker 1: becomes a Hall of Famer. I hope you're all doing well.
Speaker 1: Love the Salty Dogs Tampa two collaboration. That was fun.
Speaker 1: If anybody missed that one, Casey and Bree of the
Speaker 1: Tampa two podcasts joined us for our last Salty Dogs
Speaker 1: and we kind of had like a mash up podcast
Speaker 1: a good time. I want to do it again. So Jeff,
Speaker 1: you got that off the top of your head. To
Speaker 1: who are some of the nineteenth round picks? I mean
Speaker 1: nineteenth overall. I will admit that I was short last
Speaker 1: week or the week before on mail back questions for
Speaker 1: the website, so I just grabbed this one and wrote
Speaker 1: about it. So I've got the answer right in front
Speaker 1: of me. There are three since the nineteenth. Now this
Speaker 1: is for us or for the NFL everybody. Okay, The
Speaker 1: only time we've ever picked nineteenth exactly is the one
Speaker 1: that Richard mentions O J. Howard, we were scheduled to
Speaker 1: pick nineteenth in two thousand and nine, but moved up
Speaker 1: two spots to get Josh Freeman since the first round pick,
Speaker 1: since nineteenth overall became part of the first round because
Speaker 1: you know, if there were only eighteen teams, then nineteenth
Speaker 1: would be a second round pick, right, So that was
Speaker 1: my cutoff. From nineteen sixty seven on, it's been a
Speaker 1: first round pick, and there have been three Hall of
Speaker 1: Famers picked at nineteenth overall. Roger Whirley by the Cardinals.
Speaker 1: That was in nineteen sixty nine. Roger Worley, a great cornerback,
Speaker 1: had a lot of picks forty career interceptions, not as
Speaker 1: many as Rhandey Barber next in two thousand and he
Speaker 1: went into the Hall of Fame in two thousand and seven.
Speaker 1: In nineteen ninety eight, the Vikings picked Randall McDaniel, who
Speaker 1: finished his career YEA. He went to the Hall of
Speaker 1: Fame in two thousand and nine and then in nineteen
Speaker 1: Also in nineteen ninety six, the Colts picked Marvin Harrison
Speaker 1: nineteenth overall pick, and he went into canon in two
Speaker 1: and sixteen. So none of them went in the very
Speaker 1: first year of eligibility, so it was hard to pick
Speaker 1: which one was the best one, but there have been
Speaker 1: three Hall of Famers. The best one, probably recently, was
Speaker 1: just a couple of years ago when Tennessee took Jeffrey Simmons,
Speaker 1: the defensive tackle. Even though at the time from Mississippi State,
Speaker 1: even though at the time he was injured and they
Speaker 1: knew he wasn't gonna play at least halfway through the season,
Speaker 1: they still spent the nineteen front pick on him, and
Speaker 1: over the last two years he has sixteen sacks and
Speaker 1: thirty quarterback hits from an interior defensive lineman. That's really
Speaker 1: good production. And he's been in the Pro Bowl each
Speaker 1: of those two years, So that's probably the best one lately. Nice. Yeah,
Speaker 1: so you can definitely get it. We can get a
Speaker 1: good player at any spot in the draft. Oh yeah,
Speaker 1: you remember the running back Sean Alexander for the Seahawks.
Speaker 1: He was he was a nineteen Otis Wilson, the Great
Speaker 1: Bear's linebacker. There's been some quality players, Yeah, some pretty
Speaker 1: good players. The weirdest part of the whole thing, do
Speaker 1: you do you know Jack Jack Tatum is yeah, you
Speaker 1: know what he's most famous or infamous for stick up.
Speaker 1: Now for the hit on Darryl Stingley from the in
Speaker 1: the pre season game game that led to Stingley's paras correct.
Speaker 1: The weird thing about that, it's a coincidence. It's not
Speaker 1: something to celebrate or anything. But Jack Tatum was the
Speaker 1: nineteenth overall pick, and so is Daryl Stingley. Wow, two
Speaker 1: years later, Yep, there's been some bus. Kyle Bowler the
Speaker 1: Ravens tried to him quarterback some years ago. Paul Palmer
Speaker 1: running back for the Chiefs, never did much. But I
Speaker 1: went down the whole list. It's been mostly pretty good
Speaker 1: players like Casey Hampton, Jeremy Macklin, Shack Lawson, Prince Amaka Mora,
Speaker 1: you know some Antonio Cromarti. So there you go. Answer
Speaker 1: to that question. That's a good one. This is also
Speaker 1: to Salty Dogs from Ken his last name it starts
Speaker 1: with V, just abbreviated from Gainesville. Hey Dogs, hoping we
Speaker 1: get some off season season podcasts. Come on, guys, there's
Speaker 1: the draft, there's free agency, there's new coaches plenty to
Speaker 1: talk about. We got you, Ronde Barber. Yeah, yeah, that's
Speaker 1: another one. Anyway. I don't know when you're doing your
Speaker 1: next show, but I'm sending in a question now because
Speaker 1: I'm inspired by mister Barber getting into the Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: It took a little bit longer than I would have
Speaker 1: liked for Lynch and Barbara to make it, but they
Speaker 1: did make it. And now, well, who do we turn
Speaker 1: our attention to? Now? I don't mean to be greedy
Speaker 1: after four guys in the last ten years or so,
Speaker 1: but the more of the bucks in the hall the better, right,
Speaker 1: So who's next? If anyone? Thanks guys, and it's Ken
Speaker 1: And then he has a little ps that says, give
Speaker 1: Kyle Trask. Of course, this guy's yeah from Gainesville, So yeah,
Speaker 1: he's gonna be really excited at things go the way
Speaker 1: he's hoping. Yeah, we got one guy man that that
Speaker 1: Florida fan base will come out in sw if Kyle
Speaker 1: Trask is successful. Yes, no question, no question. Yeah, you
Speaker 1: know you tweet something about Kyle Trask, it gets traction
Speaker 1: because from the game for sure. Well, yeah, because the
Speaker 1: Gators want them to do well because then they can
Speaker 1: go name and then then to the FSU fans. So
Speaker 1: you know, I mean, the answer to this one is
Speaker 1: pretty obvious, right, who's the next Buckan? Here to go
Speaker 1: into the how I would have to say Simeon Rice,
Speaker 1: Are you forgetting a man named Tom Brady? See I
Speaker 1: I don't even think that's a thought process, that's an automatic,
Speaker 1: I know. But who's next in? Right? Actually? But when
Speaker 1: you when you go, when you let's go down the
Speaker 1: road ten fifteen years from now and you go Tom Brady,
Speaker 1: are you gonna go, oh great Patriots quarterback? Are you
Speaker 1: gonna go, oh wow, what a great buccaneer quarterback. I'm
Speaker 1: just answering the question as it's presented. Yes, but I'm
Speaker 1: just the next buccaneer to go into the Hall of Fame. Yeah, okay,
Speaker 1: but it's actually probably not going to be him because
Speaker 1: Rob Gronkowski retired a year earlier. Oh yes, so he'd
Speaker 1: be an eligible seven. I'm mistakenly misheard the question and
Speaker 1: it's like who will be the next one in rather
Speaker 1: than who should be the next one? Yeah, so I
Speaker 1: miss I miss its. Probably now you could still be
Speaker 1: right if Simeon got in, because he's already eligible, right,
Speaker 1: But I think he's deserving. There was like a ten
Speaker 1: year stretch when he led the league in sacks that
Speaker 1: that alone should get him in. He has like one
Speaker 1: hundred and twenty two sacks but I know from experience
Speaker 1: that he just doesn't get any traction. This isn't for
Speaker 1: the Ring of Honor, which at some point should be
Speaker 1: a you know, a lock right that there will be
Speaker 1: playing attraction for that. But he wasn't even being included
Speaker 1: years ago when he first became eligible in the original
Speaker 1: like hundred person list that they put out in September,
Speaker 1: and then we got him on that by nominating him,
Speaker 1: and then like a year later he made it all
Speaker 1: the way to the Semis. We tried to do as
Speaker 1: much of a push as we could, putting out articles
Speaker 1: and stuff, but then he subsequently dropped off and he's
Speaker 1: not even making it to the Semis anymore, and he's
Speaker 1: never made it to the finalist stage. So it doesn't
Speaker 1: matter if I think he's deserving, just looking at the landscape,
Speaker 1: and you know, like we thought Rodney was deserving and
Speaker 1: were irritated. It took a while, but he kept making
Speaker 1: it as a final the same thing with John Lynch.
Speaker 1: So that told us that the voters realized that these
Speaker 1: two guys were Yeah, just depending on who was coming
Speaker 1: in and where they were at. Yeah, but if if
Speaker 1: sim if a player in this case, Simeon is never
Speaker 1: even being voted to the final stage. Then, after all
Speaker 1: this time, I don't think it's going to happen. Right.
Speaker 1: You could say similar things about Mike Alstome, you know,
Speaker 1: all time, Buccane, you're great, right, probably should be getting
Speaker 1: at least some consideration from the Hall of Fame. No,
Speaker 1: but I mean he scored so many touchdowns, went to
Speaker 1: six Pro Bowls, But it's pretty clear at this point
Speaker 1: that that's not going to happen. So, uh they So
Speaker 1: if you want to, you know, Gronk and Brady are
Speaker 1: the easiest obvious answers, But if you look a little
Speaker 1: bit down the road, I think then the next most
Speaker 1: obvious answer is Mike Evans, right, yeah, yes, yeah, I
Speaker 1: mean I don't know it. It's straights a thousand yards
Speaker 1: receiving every day. Yeah, with different quarterbacks. He's I still
Speaker 1: think though, that he needs a few more decent seasons
Speaker 1: for his stats to be where they need to be
Speaker 1: when they start when the voters start looking at it.
Speaker 1: You know, obviously, if you keep getting a thousand yards
Speaker 1: every season and your stats are going to eventually be
Speaker 1: pretty darning good. Right now, he ranks forty fifth in
Speaker 1: NFL history with ten thousand, four hundred and twenty five
Speaker 1: receiving yards, and he's tied for thirtieth with his touchdown catches.
Speaker 1: I got the number written down here wrong, but it's
Speaker 1: he's tied for thirtieth. I'm not sure that gets done yet,
Speaker 1: because there's other players above him on both lists that
Speaker 1: are not being voted in, but a couple more decent seasons.
Speaker 1: It's not he doesn't have to even keep having thousand
Speaker 1: yards seasons to get to thirteen hundred. Let's say thirteen
Speaker 1: hundred receiving yards. Twenty players had that so far, twelve
Speaker 1: are already in the fall in the Hall, and the
Speaker 1: only one who is eligible but who's not in the
Speaker 1: Hall of Famous Henry Allard. So is that thirteen thousand
Speaker 1: or thirteen hundred? If I said thirteen hundred, I misspoke.
Speaker 1: I'm in thirteen thousand, and there are If he played
Speaker 1: five more years, he would only have to average five
Speaker 1: hundred fifteen yards per season to get to thirteen thousand.
Speaker 1: So I think thirteen thousand is very much in sight.
Speaker 1: He's got well, I think he's got like seventy. God,
Speaker 1: I can't believe I can't remember something my top I
Speaker 1: had it's something like seventy five or seventy six or
Speaker 1: seventy eight touchdown catches. I wrote it down wrong here,
Speaker 1: That's why. Because I wrote down thirty one, I know
Speaker 1: it's he's a lot more than thirty one. So he's
Speaker 1: he can get to ninety eight. He can get to
Speaker 1: ninety pretty easily, right. He probably needs like twelve or
Speaker 1: fourteen more. And if you could do that in three
Speaker 1: seasons pretty easily, you might do it next season or
Speaker 1: in two seasons, but three seasons, I gotta believe against
Speaker 1: to ninety. I think he'll play three more seasons. So
Speaker 1: there are thirteen players in NFL history with at least
Speaker 1: ninety touchdown catches, and ten are already in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. The other three just aren't eligible yet, and
Speaker 1: they're Antonio Gates, Larry Fitzgerald, and Rob Barkowski. Those guys
Speaker 1: are obviously all going in, maybe even all first ballot, right, right,
Speaker 1: So you get to ninety touchdown catches, you're in the Hall.
Speaker 1: That's just the way it's been, and I think he's
Speaker 1: going to get there. So I do think Mike has
Speaker 1: a very good chance of ending up in the Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. And I think my answer. Yeah, I would
Speaker 1: go with that. I like that. All right, all right,
Speaker 1: I got good. Well, that was a lot of fun.
Speaker 1: It's good to do one before then. I don't know
Speaker 1: if we'll do one before the draft. Maybe after the
Speaker 1: draft and after the draft we'd have a lot more
Speaker 1: to talk about. Yeah, maybe that's what we'll do. We'd
Speaker 1: still be speculating before the draft. Well, maybe we'll do
Speaker 1: is after the draft, and then we can talk about
Speaker 1: the different people that we have brought into the organisation
Speaker 1: that type. All right, sounds good. Well, thanks thanks for
Speaker 1: your time, Jeff there. Yeah, obviously that was exciting to
Speaker 1: give rondown here, so I best m Yeah, all right,
Speaker 1: since you did, Thanks for listening.