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Speaker 1: Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, your home for

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Speaker 1: deer hunting news, stories and strategies, and now your host,

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Speaker 1: Mark Kenyon. Welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast. I'm

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Speaker 1: your host, Mark Kenyan, and this is episode number two,

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Speaker 1: and today in the show, I'm joined by outdoor writer

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Speaker 1: and public land whitetail specialist Tony Peterson, and we're breaking

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Speaker 1: down his two thousand seventeen public land successes and we

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Speaker 1: are examining his new game plan for two thousand eighteen.

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Speaker 1: And before we get things kicked off, I want to

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Speaker 1: welcome to the Wired to Hunt podcast, brought to you

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Speaker 1: by Onyx and today we are joined again by Tony Peterson.

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Speaker 1: And Tony's an outdoor writer. He's been published in many

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Speaker 1: well known publications out there like bo Hunter Magazine or

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Speaker 1: North American Whitetail. And he's a public land specialist. And

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Speaker 1: if you heard I think this was episode two two

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Speaker 1: public land master class. If you heard that podcast, Tony

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Speaker 1: on the show twice before actually, and in those episodes,

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Speaker 1: like I don't know what number those original episodes were

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Speaker 1: you should go back and listen to those, but in

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Speaker 1: those ones he shared a lot of helpful information. He's

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Speaker 1: become really one of my favorite go to people to

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Speaker 1: talk to about public land, do it yourself, haunts, UM.

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Speaker 1: He's someone who I like to catch up with a

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Speaker 1: catch up on what he's up to, how he's doing

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Speaker 1: these things. He's just a he's got a helpful perspective,

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Speaker 1: a good way to talk about these things. So I'm

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Speaker 1: excited to finally have him back on the show because

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Speaker 1: it was almost I think almost two years ago since

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Speaker 1: he was on last. So today we're gonna catch up

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Speaker 1: with Tony, find out what's new in his hunting world.

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Speaker 1: I'm interested to see if tactics or ideas have changed

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Speaker 1: we can try to learn some new things from him

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Speaker 1: by kind of breaking down what he did during his

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Speaker 1: how he's going to try to tackle these different states

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Speaker 1: But what I'm not excited about is that my usual

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Speaker 1: scheduling conflict. So I'm stuck with Spencer new Hearth. And

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Speaker 1: all seriousness though, man, speaking of Dan, we had a

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Speaker 1: Dan then decided to name your buck Forrest. Well, and

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Speaker 1: more fitting since Dan is now hunting a buck named Spencer,

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Speaker 1: If anybody sees this deal, he goes by Dan. That's good,

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Speaker 1: get everyone on the same page. Um, anything new on

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Speaker 1: But how about with you, Mark? I see that you

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Speaker 1: It's not doesn't need to be a perfectly manicured, beautiful plot. UM.

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Speaker 1: good seed to soil contact for our planet. So um

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Speaker 1: bunch of stuff done here in southern Michigan. I planted

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Speaker 1: my Braska plots here on the main farm, and UM

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Speaker 1: move some tree stands around a couple of days ago. UM,

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Speaker 1: Welcome to show, Tony, thanks for having me man. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: seventeen season for you? I was good, Um, you know,

431
00:21:24,280 --> 00:21:26,520
Speaker 1: I had had a good run in a couple of

432
00:21:26,600 --> 00:21:30,080
Speaker 1: states and I ended up, um, you know, having a

433
00:21:30,119 --> 00:21:33,240
Speaker 1: lot of fun. Killed some bucks out there, killed a

434
00:21:33,280 --> 00:21:35,800
Speaker 1: dough in northern Wisconsin on public land that was way

435
00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:39,399
Speaker 1: harder to kill than any of the bucks I ran into, Um,

436
00:21:39,480 --> 00:21:41,639
Speaker 1: and just had a I had a good season. It was.

437
00:21:41,720 --> 00:21:43,879
Speaker 1: It was a lot of fun, a lot of cool encounters.

438
00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:48,400
Speaker 1: And I'm really really optimistic for this year after last year.

439
00:21:49,000 --> 00:21:53,119
Speaker 1: Where all did you hunt? Um? Last year, I hunted

440
00:21:53,160 --> 00:22:00,080
Speaker 1: North Dakota, South Dakota, Minnesota, Wisconsin, and I feel like

441
00:22:00,160 --> 00:22:04,440
Speaker 1: there's one other state of missing there. Um, those for sure,

442
00:22:06,119 --> 00:22:10,240
Speaker 1: but I had I hounted public in Wisconsin, hounted public

443
00:22:10,280 --> 00:22:14,720
Speaker 1: in North Dakota, and South Dakota and some in Minnesota.

444
00:22:14,800 --> 00:22:16,720
Speaker 1: So I spent a lot of time on you know,

445
00:22:16,880 --> 00:22:19,520
Speaker 1: common ground out there, and it was it was just

446
00:22:19,560 --> 00:22:21,000
Speaker 1: a fun season. Of course, you know, I went out

447
00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,520
Speaker 1: hunting in Colorado and did some mantled open stuff too,

448
00:22:23,520 --> 00:22:26,159
Speaker 1: but as far as white sales, those were the main states.

449
00:22:26,160 --> 00:22:30,560
Speaker 1: I focused on what what was that dough hunt? Like?

450
00:22:30,720 --> 00:22:34,040
Speaker 1: What made that one so special? Because it was so hard.

451
00:22:35,200 --> 00:22:38,919
Speaker 1: It was just you know, you know that living in

452
00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:42,040
Speaker 1: Michigan and having hunted where you've hunted, Uh, some of

453
00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:46,159
Speaker 1: these states are just way more difficult than other states,

454
00:22:46,160 --> 00:22:48,359
Speaker 1: you know, and it usually boils down to pressure and

455
00:22:48,440 --> 00:22:51,840
Speaker 1: predators and you know, dear population and winter kill, the

456
00:22:51,880 --> 00:22:55,040
Speaker 1: whole thing. And where I out in northern Wisconsin, it

457
00:22:55,200 --> 00:22:58,040
Speaker 1: just consistently kicks my butt more than anywhere. And I

458
00:22:58,440 --> 00:23:01,800
Speaker 1: last last November, I are about nine days to hunt

459
00:23:01,920 --> 00:23:04,399
Speaker 1: public land up there, and I thought, you know, I

460
00:23:04,440 --> 00:23:07,120
Speaker 1: had I had a couple of dough tags, I had

461
00:23:07,160 --> 00:23:09,720
Speaker 1: a buck tag. I'm like, this will be this will

462
00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,359
Speaker 1: be a blast. And I got my butt kicked almost

463
00:23:12,400 --> 00:23:15,560
Speaker 1: every day and had several doughs that I was just

464
00:23:15,600 --> 00:23:17,879
Speaker 1: trying to put in the freezer and got busted drawn

465
00:23:17,960 --> 00:23:22,080
Speaker 1: on them and finally killed one, and it was it

466
00:23:22,119 --> 00:23:25,520
Speaker 1: was way harder to do than any of the bucks

467
00:23:25,560 --> 00:23:29,200
Speaker 1: I killed last year and anywhere I went. And you know,

468
00:23:29,240 --> 00:23:31,840
Speaker 1: it's kind of an interesting example of what's going on

469
00:23:31,840 --> 00:23:35,960
Speaker 1: in the hunting industry because I pitched that story to

470
00:23:36,119 --> 00:23:39,080
Speaker 1: several of the magazines I worked for, and every editor

471
00:23:39,160 --> 00:23:42,280
Speaker 1: passed on it because it was a dough, and you know,

472
00:23:42,280 --> 00:23:44,680
Speaker 1: it's just it's kind of indicative of where we are,

473
00:23:45,240 --> 00:23:48,479
Speaker 1: uh as an industry. But to me, you know, in

474
00:23:48,560 --> 00:23:52,240
Speaker 1: my experience, it was just I really had to bring

475
00:23:52,240 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: my a game up there just to kill a dough

476
00:23:54,600 --> 00:23:56,159
Speaker 1: in a way that I don't even have to do

477
00:23:56,280 --> 00:23:58,720
Speaker 1: to kill big bucks in some of these states. And

478
00:23:58,760 --> 00:24:01,679
Speaker 1: so it's it's always interesting thing to me how it

479
00:24:01,880 --> 00:24:05,040
Speaker 1: varies so much from state to state and county to

480
00:24:05,160 --> 00:24:09,359
Speaker 1: county and just you know, parcel to parcel almost you know,

481
00:24:09,920 --> 00:24:12,879
Speaker 1: Oh yeah, so this is like big Woods habitat right

482
00:24:12,960 --> 00:24:17,560
Speaker 1: up there. Yeah, yeah, we're where where I'm kind of

483
00:24:17,560 --> 00:24:20,680
Speaker 1: focusing on is right where the last of the egg

484
00:24:20,920 --> 00:24:24,679
Speaker 1: ends and the real big Woods starts. So you do

485
00:24:24,800 --> 00:24:28,080
Speaker 1: have it's not totally devoid agriculture. I mean, you can

486
00:24:28,080 --> 00:24:30,679
Speaker 1: play off as some of the private fields around there.

487
00:24:30,680 --> 00:24:32,760
Speaker 1: There might be an alfalfa field or a hate field

488
00:24:32,840 --> 00:24:35,000
Speaker 1: or something, but for the most part, it's it's big

489
00:24:35,040 --> 00:24:38,919
Speaker 1: wood stuff. Gotcha. Yeah, that's We're just talking before you

490
00:24:38,960 --> 00:24:41,600
Speaker 1: came on about some work that I've been doing up

491
00:24:41,600 --> 00:24:45,000
Speaker 1: on my family's northern Michigan property. And that's this little

492
00:24:45,040 --> 00:24:48,040
Speaker 1: forty acre chunk that's surrounded by state land, like ten

493
00:24:48,040 --> 00:24:51,560
Speaker 1: tho acres of state land, and it's just all big woods.

494
00:24:51,560 --> 00:24:53,719
Speaker 1: Either there's a little bit of hardwood timber, but then

495
00:24:53,720 --> 00:24:57,439
Speaker 1: there's a lot of swamp and um, it's so hard

496
00:24:57,520 --> 00:25:00,160
Speaker 1: to find deer in that kind of area because it's

497
00:25:00,280 --> 00:25:04,639
Speaker 1: pretty much homogeneous terrain, all timber. And you know, for

498
00:25:04,800 --> 00:25:07,359
Speaker 1: years the population has been really low and the hunting

499
00:25:07,400 --> 00:25:09,439
Speaker 1: up there has just been brutal, Like we like, our

500
00:25:09,520 --> 00:25:11,200
Speaker 1: little group of guys that goes up there has hardly

501
00:25:11,240 --> 00:25:14,240
Speaker 1: killed anything. So I'm really I'm really trying to refocus

502
00:25:14,280 --> 00:25:16,680
Speaker 1: on hunting up there and try and like figure out, Okay,

503
00:25:16,840 --> 00:25:18,639
Speaker 1: how can I apply all the things I've learned now

504
00:25:18,760 --> 00:25:20,840
Speaker 1: is like an adult hunter to this place that I

505
00:25:20,920 --> 00:25:22,960
Speaker 1: hunted growing up as a kid and did horrible lot,

506
00:25:23,160 --> 00:25:25,160
Speaker 1: Like how can I start to figure this place out

507
00:25:25,200 --> 00:25:27,880
Speaker 1: and what was your take? How did you end up

508
00:25:28,200 --> 00:25:30,480
Speaker 1: trying to tackle that big wood slash? You know a

509
00:25:30,520 --> 00:25:32,600
Speaker 1: little bit of agg but how did you approach that?

510
00:25:33,000 --> 00:25:35,000
Speaker 1: I know you didn't end up killing the buck, but

511
00:25:35,359 --> 00:25:36,520
Speaker 1: how are you trying to do and how do you

512
00:25:36,600 --> 00:25:41,800
Speaker 1: ultimately kill that dough? Well, so my my strategy keeps changing.

513
00:25:42,119 --> 00:25:46,080
Speaker 1: And you know, on the on the land that I'm hunting, um,

514
00:25:46,080 --> 00:25:49,200
Speaker 1: it's it's in the managed force program, so it's it's

515
00:25:49,240 --> 00:25:51,879
Speaker 1: private that's open to public, but there's there's these rules

516
00:25:51,880 --> 00:25:54,000
Speaker 1: on it. So you know, you can't run a trail

517
00:25:54,040 --> 00:25:56,480
Speaker 1: camera unless you contact the owner and get inform or

518
00:25:56,520 --> 00:25:59,840
Speaker 1: you get permission, and you just have to you have

519
00:25:59,880 --> 00:26:02,400
Speaker 1: to go about it differently. You can't leave tree stands up,

520
00:26:02,720 --> 00:26:04,119
Speaker 1: so it's like you put up a stand, take it

521
00:26:04,160 --> 00:26:06,840
Speaker 1: down up a stand. It's it's almost too much work

522
00:26:07,200 --> 00:26:10,720
Speaker 1: for what it's worth. But what I started doing is

523
00:26:10,800 --> 00:26:14,440
Speaker 1: going in and looking for fresh signs setting up there,

524
00:26:14,440 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: and if i'd see a deer or see something that

525
00:26:16,560 --> 00:26:20,240
Speaker 1: you know, observes something, I'd move in the next day.

526
00:26:20,280 --> 00:26:22,240
Speaker 1: And I kept moving and I don't know how many

527
00:26:22,320 --> 00:26:24,960
Speaker 1: stands I put up and took down in those nine days.

528
00:26:24,960 --> 00:26:28,200
Speaker 1: But it was a lot and you know, I didn't

529
00:26:28,240 --> 00:26:30,280
Speaker 1: kill a buck. I did see a buck that I

530
00:26:30,280 --> 00:26:33,639
Speaker 1: thought was probably one sixty, which is which is you know,

531
00:26:33,800 --> 00:26:38,199
Speaker 1: a giant for public land. Um. And I saw a

532
00:26:38,200 --> 00:26:41,480
Speaker 1: couple of others that were you know, one fifteen two,

533
00:26:41,600 --> 00:26:44,320
Speaker 1: maybe mid one thirties. So it wasn't like I was.

534
00:26:45,680 --> 00:26:48,240
Speaker 1: You know, it was interesting because it was really hard,

535
00:26:48,480 --> 00:26:50,040
Speaker 1: but I saw one of the biggest deer I've ever

536
00:26:50,080 --> 00:26:54,360
Speaker 1: seen on public land. And just I think those kind

537
00:26:54,359 --> 00:26:56,040
Speaker 1: of hunts, I think what you're talking about on your

538
00:26:56,040 --> 00:26:58,560
Speaker 1: northern Michigan property. I think you just got to get

539
00:26:58,600 --> 00:27:00,280
Speaker 1: in there and get where the deer are. Now it's

540
00:27:00,320 --> 00:27:03,280
Speaker 1: almost more like a h an elk hunt. You know,

541
00:27:03,320 --> 00:27:05,879
Speaker 1: if you go out and you see this beautiful meadow

542
00:27:06,200 --> 00:27:09,119
Speaker 1: you know in you know, the mountains in Colorado or whatever.

543
00:27:10,320 --> 00:27:12,440
Speaker 1: You know, it may look great, but it doesn't matter

544
00:27:12,640 --> 00:27:14,600
Speaker 1: if they're not. If there's not fresh sign there and

545
00:27:14,600 --> 00:27:16,320
Speaker 1: there's not elk around there, it doesn't matter. So you've

546
00:27:16,320 --> 00:27:18,840
Speaker 1: gotta keep going and keep going. And I kind of

547
00:27:18,880 --> 00:27:21,639
Speaker 1: think in the big woods, you know, we think of

548
00:27:21,720 --> 00:27:24,119
Speaker 1: deer as being you know, occupying, you know it. So

549
00:27:24,280 --> 00:27:27,480
Speaker 1: let's say there's ten deer per section or six deer

550
00:27:27,520 --> 00:27:29,640
Speaker 1: per section, and you think, okay, they should be spread out.

551
00:27:29,880 --> 00:27:32,040
Speaker 1: They're not. You know, one of the deal group that

552
00:27:32,119 --> 00:27:35,000
Speaker 1: lives in one little area and this buck lives here,

553
00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,560
Speaker 1: and you know, they're only occupying a little bit of

554
00:27:37,600 --> 00:27:40,359
Speaker 1: the woods most of the time. And if you're not

555
00:27:40,440 --> 00:27:43,399
Speaker 1: around that, it sucks bad to be up there hunting.

556
00:27:43,720 --> 00:27:47,040
Speaker 1: And so I think it's just a real mobile strategy,

557
00:27:47,720 --> 00:27:51,400
Speaker 1: and is is how it's usually going to play out

558
00:27:51,440 --> 00:27:54,800
Speaker 1: for you, Like you're gonna have to keep looking, you know. Yeah,

559
00:27:54,840 --> 00:27:58,200
Speaker 1: that's an interesting point. I um, yeah, We've got this

560
00:27:58,240 --> 00:28:03,359
Speaker 1: little forty and on that forty about well of this forty,

561
00:28:03,440 --> 00:28:05,240
Speaker 1: all of it was overgrown with stuff, and over the

562
00:28:05,280 --> 00:28:06,760
Speaker 1: last couple of years, as I was talking about, we've

563
00:28:06,760 --> 00:28:09,159
Speaker 1: actually carved in a couple of little tiny food plots

564
00:28:09,160 --> 00:28:11,600
Speaker 1: and so we're getting some consistent dough activity now on

565
00:28:11,640 --> 00:28:14,680
Speaker 1: the private stuff. Um, but I keep on being tempted

566
00:28:14,720 --> 00:28:17,040
Speaker 1: to take a season and like spend a bunch of

567
00:28:17,040 --> 00:28:19,560
Speaker 1: time up there and just explore all the surrounding public

568
00:28:19,600 --> 00:28:22,320
Speaker 1: around it and do just what you said, bounce around

569
00:28:22,320 --> 00:28:24,480
Speaker 1: from spot to spot to spot to spot. And there's

570
00:28:24,520 --> 00:28:27,040
Speaker 1: some old clear cuts in the surrounding area that I

571
00:28:27,280 --> 00:28:29,680
Speaker 1: gotta imagine there's some deer relating to those maybe a

572
00:28:29,720 --> 00:28:32,000
Speaker 1: little bit. So I feel like, as you said, kind

573
00:28:32,040 --> 00:28:35,880
Speaker 1: of jump around observe just I think it would be

574
00:28:36,080 --> 00:28:38,840
Speaker 1: dreadful for anyone listening or watching because I probably will

575
00:28:38,880 --> 00:28:41,080
Speaker 1: hardly ever see any deer, So it might be really

576
00:28:41,120 --> 00:28:43,520
Speaker 1: boring content that year, but it could be really cool

577
00:28:43,520 --> 00:28:47,400
Speaker 1: if I did figure it out. Well if it is,

578
00:28:47,440 --> 00:28:50,240
Speaker 1: and it's super rewarding. And you know the thing about

579
00:28:50,800 --> 00:28:54,320
Speaker 1: having swamps everywhere, because I hunt places like that too,

580
00:28:54,640 --> 00:28:57,160
Speaker 1: and to me, it's the hardest kind of hunting out

581
00:28:57,200 --> 00:29:00,640
Speaker 1: there for white tails and what I think, you know,

582
00:29:00,720 --> 00:29:03,720
Speaker 1: especially if you're gonna focus anytime, you know, Halloween on,

583
00:29:04,200 --> 00:29:07,280
Speaker 1: if you can look at your aerial photography and see

584
00:29:07,520 --> 00:29:09,680
Speaker 1: you can kind of you can kind of see I

585
00:29:09,720 --> 00:29:12,880
Speaker 1: call it a figure in the swamp where it'll be

586
00:29:12,920 --> 00:29:16,320
Speaker 1: like a point across from a point and it's hard

587
00:29:16,400 --> 00:29:18,920
Speaker 1: to see when you're on the ground walking around, but

588
00:29:18,960 --> 00:29:21,240
Speaker 1: if you look at the aerial photography, sometimes you'll see

589
00:29:21,240 --> 00:29:24,840
Speaker 1: those and that's where they cross a lot. And so

590
00:29:25,120 --> 00:29:29,400
Speaker 1: usually if I'm dealing with huge wood stuff, I don't

591
00:29:29,400 --> 00:29:32,600
Speaker 1: I don't do the clear cut thing as much because

592
00:29:33,080 --> 00:29:36,000
Speaker 1: I may I may be in an area that has

593
00:29:36,080 --> 00:29:40,080
Speaker 1: you know, four square miles a clear cut, and it's like, well, okay,

594
00:29:40,160 --> 00:29:42,920
Speaker 1: so yeah, maybe the deer eating the fresh brows somewhere

595
00:29:42,960 --> 00:29:45,960
Speaker 1: in there. But it's basically, you know, you're dealing with

596
00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:49,720
Speaker 1: this huge, huge piece of land. And so if you

597
00:29:49,800 --> 00:29:52,600
Speaker 1: find some of those those places in the swamps where

598
00:29:52,640 --> 00:29:55,719
Speaker 1: it's easier for them to cross um, where there's an

599
00:29:55,760 --> 00:29:57,520
Speaker 1: island in the swamp that they can get to and

600
00:29:57,600 --> 00:30:00,400
Speaker 1: bed on because they love those because of the visitors,

601
00:30:00,760 --> 00:30:03,600
Speaker 1: then you can kind of narrow down your search. You

602
00:30:03,600 --> 00:30:07,400
Speaker 1: know what. It's like. It's a process, man, you know,

603
00:30:07,440 --> 00:30:10,200
Speaker 1: it's it's just not easy to find. And just because

604
00:30:10,240 --> 00:30:13,160
Speaker 1: you see that figure eight on d aerial photography, you

605
00:30:13,240 --> 00:30:14,960
Speaker 1: might walk in there and realize you can't really hunt

606
00:30:15,000 --> 00:30:16,840
Speaker 1: it with a prevailing wind, or it just might not

607
00:30:17,000 --> 00:30:20,640
Speaker 1: be the right spot. But you can kind of shortcut

608
00:30:21,200 --> 00:30:24,840
Speaker 1: the process a little bit by doing that. Sometimes, Yeah,

609
00:30:25,160 --> 00:30:29,560
Speaker 1: that's a good idea. I definitely finding those like little

610
00:30:29,560 --> 00:30:31,960
Speaker 1: pinch points, that kind of thing, I think is a

611
00:30:32,040 --> 00:30:33,720
Speaker 1: great way to try and narrow it down. I've I've

612
00:30:33,720 --> 00:30:36,320
Speaker 1: started looking for some things like that or just starting

613
00:30:36,320 --> 00:30:38,920
Speaker 1: to identify all the different kind of internal edges that

614
00:30:38,960 --> 00:30:41,760
Speaker 1: there's no obvious edges around here because it's not like

615
00:30:41,800 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 1: big timber meeting up to a crop field or something.

616
00:30:44,520 --> 00:30:47,640
Speaker 1: But I've been trying to find like edge between swamping hardwoods,

617
00:30:47,720 --> 00:30:51,160
Speaker 1: or between hardwoods and pines um or some things like that.

618
00:30:51,240 --> 00:30:53,240
Speaker 1: I think, I think that's someone to start doing, is

619
00:30:53,280 --> 00:30:55,280
Speaker 1: take my map and just start marking each one of

620
00:30:55,280 --> 00:30:58,320
Speaker 1: these different features that I think might have something to it.

621
00:30:58,560 --> 00:31:00,360
Speaker 1: And the next spring, I just need to go and

622
00:31:00,400 --> 00:31:02,920
Speaker 1: just walk every single bit of it and like really

623
00:31:02,960 --> 00:31:05,160
Speaker 1: dedicate some time to figure in this place out, because

624
00:31:05,800 --> 00:31:07,800
Speaker 1: I don't know, it just seems like to your point,

625
00:31:07,840 --> 00:31:09,240
Speaker 1: it would be a lot of fun to figure that

626
00:31:09,280 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: out and try to make it happen. Well, it is,

627
00:31:12,600 --> 00:31:13,960
Speaker 1: and it's you know, it's so different. You know, you

628
00:31:14,000 --> 00:31:16,800
Speaker 1: talk about making food plots and that's a blast, but

629
00:31:16,920 --> 00:31:20,360
Speaker 1: this is a totally different style of hunting, you know.

630
00:31:20,400 --> 00:31:22,479
Speaker 1: I mean, you're you're going out trying to figure out

631
00:31:22,560 --> 00:31:24,640
Speaker 1: what these deer are doing, and these low densities and

632
00:31:24,680 --> 00:31:27,239
Speaker 1: these places that are hard to get to, and you know,

633
00:31:27,280 --> 00:31:30,680
Speaker 1: talking about soft edges back in the timber and that

634
00:31:30,760 --> 00:31:34,800
Speaker 1: kind of stuff. Man, it's it's just it's rewarding, it's cool.

635
00:31:34,840 --> 00:31:38,880
Speaker 1: And you know you mentioned going out next spring. I'll

636
00:31:38,920 --> 00:31:41,480
Speaker 1: tell you what. I learned more about what deer doing

637
00:31:41,480 --> 00:31:44,280
Speaker 1: the swamps in March than any other time, just because

638
00:31:44,320 --> 00:31:46,240
Speaker 1: you can, you know, they're frozen, so you can walk

639
00:31:46,280 --> 00:31:48,200
Speaker 1: anywhere you want to, and then you find some of

640
00:31:48,200 --> 00:31:51,880
Speaker 1: those places that those those big bucks just tear up

641
00:31:52,040 --> 00:31:54,840
Speaker 1: year after year, and they got those you know there

642
00:31:54,960 --> 00:31:58,120
Speaker 1: there's some kind of terrain feature of something that's advantageous

643
00:31:58,160 --> 00:32:01,320
Speaker 1: to them, and it's it can work in your favorite

644
00:32:01,320 --> 00:32:03,080
Speaker 1: but it's you gotta you know, you gotta burn some

645
00:32:03,080 --> 00:32:05,560
Speaker 1: boot leather to get there. Yeah, yeah, I gotta. I

646
00:32:05,560 --> 00:32:07,960
Speaker 1: gotta put in that work. I think it's it's time

647
00:32:08,000 --> 00:32:10,160
Speaker 1: to stop kind of twiddling my thumbs up there and

648
00:32:10,160 --> 00:32:12,240
Speaker 1: just settling for the status quo and just being like, oh,

649
00:32:12,280 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 1: this is just deer camp. I'll just have a nice

650
00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:15,760
Speaker 1: time hanging out with a family, and it's time to

651
00:32:15,760 --> 00:32:18,040
Speaker 1: actually put some real time into making the hunting a

652
00:32:18,080 --> 00:32:23,640
Speaker 1: little better. So I gotta do it. Um Spencer, Tony Tony.

653
00:32:23,680 --> 00:32:25,840
Speaker 1: On the other end of the spectrum, you have like

654
00:32:25,880 --> 00:32:29,800
Speaker 1: the Dakotas and Nebraska, and you know, amount of tree

655
00:32:29,840 --> 00:32:33,360
Speaker 1: coverage there is the least as anywhere else in the nation.

656
00:32:33,760 --> 00:32:37,080
Speaker 1: How did you do hunting there in because I think

657
00:32:37,080 --> 00:32:39,640
Speaker 1: those are three of your favorite states that you know

658
00:32:39,760 --> 00:32:43,440
Speaker 1: visit pretty regularly. Yeah, they are. You know, I like,

659
00:32:43,760 --> 00:32:49,720
Speaker 1: I like fewer trees. Uh, that's way more enjoyable to

660
00:32:49,800 --> 00:32:53,280
Speaker 1: me than having, you know, six square miles of trees.

661
00:32:53,560 --> 00:32:55,320
Speaker 1: It's just so much easier to figure out, you know

662
00:32:55,360 --> 00:32:57,640
Speaker 1: what I mean. I always I always think of deer

663
00:32:57,720 --> 00:33:00,200
Speaker 1: like walleyes. You know, if there's if there is the

664
00:33:00,280 --> 00:33:03,560
Speaker 1: CRP patch, it was one fence row of trees, or

665
00:33:04,000 --> 00:33:07,480
Speaker 1: you know there's there's some kind of patch of cedars somewhere.

666
00:33:07,640 --> 00:33:10,280
Speaker 1: They just gravitate towards that stuff. And so if you

667
00:33:10,320 --> 00:33:12,719
Speaker 1: get out into some of those places in South Dakota

668
00:33:12,760 --> 00:33:15,000
Speaker 1: and North Dakota where you know, it looks more like

669
00:33:15,360 --> 00:33:18,560
Speaker 1: peasant territory than anything, it's just a lot easier to

670
00:33:18,560 --> 00:33:21,640
Speaker 1: figure out where the deer probably gonna go, and and

671
00:33:21,680 --> 00:33:24,040
Speaker 1: you can observe them. You know, that's the big hindrance

672
00:33:24,040 --> 00:33:25,880
Speaker 1: when you're hunting the big wood stuff is you can't

673
00:33:25,920 --> 00:33:28,640
Speaker 1: see anything. So you know, you go run trail cameras

674
00:33:28,720 --> 00:33:30,680
Speaker 1: or you might try to glass, a fresh clear cut

675
00:33:30,760 --> 00:33:34,400
Speaker 1: or something. But for the most part, until you're hunting,

676
00:33:34,800 --> 00:33:37,680
Speaker 1: you just don't see a lot of gear movement. And

677
00:33:37,680 --> 00:33:39,560
Speaker 1: when you're hunting those states that are more open, you

678
00:33:39,600 --> 00:33:43,720
Speaker 1: can observe so much better. And that's like, you know,

679
00:33:43,880 --> 00:33:46,960
Speaker 1: my strategy, the way that I tend to kill a

680
00:33:46,960 --> 00:33:49,920
Speaker 1: lot of bucks out west. I mean, that's that's what

681
00:33:50,000 --> 00:33:51,600
Speaker 1: I do that you know, I filled my tag in

682
00:33:51,640 --> 00:33:55,200
Speaker 1: North Dakota and South Dakota last year, both by just

683
00:33:55,280 --> 00:33:58,680
Speaker 1: observing and then moving in. But Tony, you're kind of

684
00:33:58,840 --> 00:34:01,960
Speaker 1: playing it off like it's easy almost, But I live here,

685
00:34:01,960 --> 00:34:04,880
Speaker 1: I hunt here. I know it's not as easy as

686
00:34:04,880 --> 00:34:08,120
Speaker 1: you're making it sound. But walk us through that South

687
00:34:08,200 --> 00:34:11,840
Speaker 1: Dakota hunt. Because if I had to challenge somebody to

688
00:34:11,920 --> 00:34:14,560
Speaker 1: go kill a deer like the way you did, which

689
00:34:14,640 --> 00:34:19,880
Speaker 1: was late September from the ground on public land and

690
00:34:20,120 --> 00:34:23,319
Speaker 1: uh hunting in I think those were pretty rough conditions

691
00:34:23,520 --> 00:34:24,960
Speaker 1: at that time. I thought, I think it was like

692
00:34:25,080 --> 00:34:30,160
Speaker 1: raining and windy all weekend, right, I don't think many

693
00:34:30,239 --> 00:34:33,000
Speaker 1: guys would succeed. Yet you went out and you did

694
00:34:33,000 --> 00:34:35,319
Speaker 1: that and you killed probably a five and a half

695
00:34:35,400 --> 00:34:38,560
Speaker 1: year old white tail, just an awesome buck. Tell us

696
00:34:38,560 --> 00:34:41,120
Speaker 1: about that haunt. Yeah, I mean it was a it

697
00:34:41,200 --> 00:34:44,040
Speaker 1: was a cool deal, man. Um, you know I got

698
00:34:44,120 --> 00:34:48,680
Speaker 1: on that deer just honestly. I was driving down the

699
00:34:48,760 --> 00:34:51,439
Speaker 1: road after hunting in the morning and the rain, going

700
00:34:51,480 --> 00:34:54,399
Speaker 1: back to camp to have lunch, and I saw three

701
00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,000
Speaker 1: meal deer box on this just kind of cleared out

702
00:34:57,040 --> 00:35:00,799
Speaker 1: hillside on a walking ranch and I nothing going on,

703
00:35:00,880 --> 00:35:02,600
Speaker 1: So I went and stocked him, because you know, your

704
00:35:02,600 --> 00:35:04,959
Speaker 1: tag is good for either meal dear or a white tail.

705
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:07,640
Speaker 1: I got in on those bucks, blew them out of there,

706
00:35:07,719 --> 00:35:09,799
Speaker 1: and I was like, why are there? I've never seen

707
00:35:09,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: meal dear here? Why are they here? And I kind of,

708
00:35:12,680 --> 00:35:14,000
Speaker 1: you know, I kind of rolled around on the back

709
00:35:14,040 --> 00:35:17,120
Speaker 1: of my head. Well, I ended up seeing a white

710
00:35:17,160 --> 00:35:19,919
Speaker 1: tail buck crossed there in the dark coming back that night,

711
00:35:20,000 --> 00:35:22,799
Speaker 1: going into the same spot, and I'm like, all right, well,

712
00:35:22,840 --> 00:35:26,279
Speaker 1: so now i know I'm missing something. And because it

713
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:29,279
Speaker 1: was so rainy on the opener, I mean it was

714
00:35:30,520 --> 00:35:33,040
Speaker 1: it was like biblical. It was crazy how much rain

715
00:35:33,080 --> 00:35:36,240
Speaker 1: we got. Um. I walked in there with a ground

716
00:35:36,320 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: blind because there was there was no you could tell

717
00:35:38,680 --> 00:35:40,239
Speaker 1: just by looking at it that you probably weren't going

718
00:35:40,280 --> 00:35:43,440
Speaker 1: to find a good tree stand tree, and what had

719
00:35:43,440 --> 00:35:46,800
Speaker 1: happened is the rancher or somebody had cleared out a

720
00:35:46,840 --> 00:35:49,480
Speaker 1: bunch of those low seaters in there, and there was

721
00:35:49,520 --> 00:35:53,479
Speaker 1: fresh growth coming up, and so these deer were kind

722
00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,759
Speaker 1: of staging there, kind of browsing, but they were they

723
00:35:56,760 --> 00:35:59,040
Speaker 1: could get on this hillside that was really only like

724
00:35:59,080 --> 00:36:01,120
Speaker 1: a hundred yards up road, but they could be out

725
00:36:01,120 --> 00:36:03,360
Speaker 1: of sight. And so when I got in there, you

726
00:36:03,360 --> 00:36:06,279
Speaker 1: could just see evidence of browsing everywhere, and there was

727
00:36:06,320 --> 00:36:09,000
Speaker 1: a great big pile of cedar skeletons. So I just

728
00:36:09,040 --> 00:36:10,799
Speaker 1: put a ground blind up next to it, and I thought,

729
00:36:10,800 --> 00:36:13,000
Speaker 1: you know, if I get sick and sitting in the rain,

730
00:36:13,600 --> 00:36:15,759
Speaker 1: I'm gonna I'm gonna come and sit in this thing.

731
00:36:16,400 --> 00:36:20,160
Speaker 1: And it just so happened that because it was so rainy,

732
00:36:20,440 --> 00:36:22,360
Speaker 1: there wasn't hardly any other hunters out there. It was

733
00:36:22,440 --> 00:36:26,120
Speaker 1: opening weekend, and it was like pretty much a ghost

734
00:36:26,200 --> 00:36:29,520
Speaker 1: town because it was downpours. And I ended up going

735
00:36:29,600 --> 00:36:32,359
Speaker 1: sitting there and the buck that came in. There's two

736
00:36:32,360 --> 00:36:35,040
Speaker 1: bucks that came in, and the little guy and then

737
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:36,839
Speaker 1: the big one that I killed. And I had seen

738
00:36:36,840 --> 00:36:39,200
Speaker 1: those deer the day before a mile down the road

739
00:36:39,560 --> 00:36:41,560
Speaker 1: at eleven o'clock on their feet, but they were on

740
00:36:41,600 --> 00:36:45,600
Speaker 1: private and so they were just covering ground and browsing

741
00:36:45,600 --> 00:36:48,040
Speaker 1: and some of these spots and and keying off one

742
00:36:48,080 --> 00:36:50,000
Speaker 1: of the fields on that walking ranch, and then they

743
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:53,200
Speaker 1: would kind of stage their way back to bed. And

744
00:36:53,239 --> 00:36:55,239
Speaker 1: I just got lucky. I got in there. You know,

745
00:36:55,280 --> 00:36:57,080
Speaker 1: you could get You can get around real quiet when

746
00:36:57,080 --> 00:36:59,319
Speaker 1: it's the town for We got in there, and those

747
00:36:59,400 --> 00:37:01,480
Speaker 1: those two bucks sped past me, and I ended up

748
00:37:01,520 --> 00:37:04,040
Speaker 1: getting there on that big ten pointer. But it was

749
00:37:04,520 --> 00:37:10,759
Speaker 1: you know, it was honestly probably due mostly to that

750
00:37:10,800 --> 00:37:14,680
Speaker 1: bad weather, because there's no way those deer would have

751
00:37:14,680 --> 00:37:16,759
Speaker 1: been as consistent on a spot that close to the

752
00:37:16,840 --> 00:37:19,200
Speaker 1: road if it would have been a nice opener. I

753
00:37:19,239 --> 00:37:21,160
Speaker 1: just I just don't think. I mean, I can't prove that,

754
00:37:21,680 --> 00:37:24,520
Speaker 1: but I think that the downpour kept the pressure away

755
00:37:24,560 --> 00:37:27,360
Speaker 1: and those deer were still comfortable being in a killable spot.

756
00:37:28,800 --> 00:37:31,200
Speaker 1: I think you, I think you had a small group

757
00:37:31,239 --> 00:37:32,920
Speaker 1: with you on that haunt. How did everyone else do

758
00:37:33,080 --> 00:37:37,319
Speaker 1: that was in camp? They did well? Um My one

759
00:37:37,360 --> 00:37:40,160
Speaker 1: of my buddies killed a nice ten pointer um the

760
00:37:41,120 --> 00:37:44,319
Speaker 1: second night of the season, and then another buddy hit

761
00:37:44,400 --> 00:37:47,960
Speaker 1: one hit, a hit a smaller buck um that we

762
00:37:48,080 --> 00:37:50,080
Speaker 1: never found. He hit it, he didn't hit it very

763
00:37:50,080 --> 00:37:52,120
Speaker 1: well and it rained all night, so we ended up

764
00:37:52,160 --> 00:37:56,839
Speaker 1: grid searching for a long time and just never picked

765
00:37:56,920 --> 00:38:00,000
Speaker 1: him up. Um. So really we you know, shot opportunity,

766
00:38:00,040 --> 00:38:02,520
Speaker 1: you wise, it was incredible. Um. You know, my buddy

767
00:38:02,600 --> 00:38:05,640
Speaker 1: Eric killed a great ten point or made a perfect shot. Um.

768
00:38:05,640 --> 00:38:08,120
Speaker 1: And that was another deer. We saw him and his

769
00:38:08,200 --> 00:38:11,200
Speaker 1: buddy the day before the season opened feeding in a spot.

770
00:38:11,280 --> 00:38:13,640
Speaker 1: Eric went in there, hung a stan, had to tweak

771
00:38:13,640 --> 00:38:15,919
Speaker 1: it a little bit the next night and that buck

772
00:38:15,960 --> 00:38:17,960
Speaker 1: came in at fifteen yards and he dumped him. So

773
00:38:18,480 --> 00:38:21,960
Speaker 1: it was you know, any time that you can go

774
00:38:22,040 --> 00:38:24,800
Speaker 1: to for three on public land in a short weekend

775
00:38:24,800 --> 00:38:28,000
Speaker 1: of bow hunting is pretty solid, you know. Yeah. And

776
00:38:28,320 --> 00:38:30,880
Speaker 1: before we move on, like I own to stress how

777
00:38:31,080 --> 00:38:33,200
Speaker 1: difficult it is to do what you just did. I

778
00:38:33,200 --> 00:38:36,320
Speaker 1: mean where you were hunting is uh gets a ton

779
00:38:36,560 --> 00:38:39,879
Speaker 1: of firearm pressure. There are loads of deer killed there

780
00:38:39,920 --> 00:38:43,600
Speaker 1: every year. Um. It is an appealing area to hunt,

781
00:38:43,640 --> 00:38:46,160
Speaker 1: and so there's loads of archery pressure as well. And

782
00:38:46,400 --> 00:38:48,880
Speaker 1: then like you talked about, it was public land on

783
00:38:48,920 --> 00:38:51,520
Speaker 1: the ground in the rain. Um. You know, I was

784
00:38:51,680 --> 00:38:54,560
Speaker 1: so impressed that you guys went out there and had

785
00:38:54,600 --> 00:38:59,120
Speaker 1: that kind of success. Well, you know, to me, it's

786
00:38:59,160 --> 00:39:01,840
Speaker 1: it's all relative. Right. You know, you're you're from South Dakota,

787
00:39:02,280 --> 00:39:05,680
Speaker 1: so your experience is largely from South Dakota, right, And

788
00:39:06,120 --> 00:39:08,719
Speaker 1: when you talk a ton of rifle pressure, I hear that,

789
00:39:08,840 --> 00:39:11,919
Speaker 1: I'm sure, Mark here is it to being permission? It's

790
00:39:12,040 --> 00:39:15,959
Speaker 1: all relative because you know, when I think of just

791
00:39:15,960 --> 00:39:18,000
Speaker 1: just as an example, one of the private farms that

792
00:39:18,080 --> 00:39:22,480
Speaker 1: hunt in Minnesota, UM, they have like three different shotgun

793
00:39:22,520 --> 00:39:25,280
Speaker 1: groups that hunt there that have like fifteen guys apiece.

794
00:39:25,920 --> 00:39:29,240
Speaker 1: So just in a couple of weeks of shotgun season,

795
00:39:29,360 --> 00:39:32,960
Speaker 1: forty five people will hunt that farm. And that's not

796
00:39:33,000 --> 00:39:36,359
Speaker 1: counting muzzleloaders, bow hunters, and random gun hunters who aren't

797
00:39:36,360 --> 00:39:39,680
Speaker 1: part of the group. And so I always just you know,

798
00:39:40,040 --> 00:39:43,080
Speaker 1: when I hear about a lot of pressure, I'm like, well,

799
00:39:43,440 --> 00:39:45,240
Speaker 1: I've been around a lot of pressure my whole life.

800
00:39:45,239 --> 00:39:47,799
Speaker 1: So it's not you know, I don't want to use

801
00:39:47,840 --> 00:39:49,920
Speaker 1: that as an excuse to not go right, or is

802
00:39:49,960 --> 00:39:52,160
Speaker 1: an excuse to not hunt as hard as possible, because

803
00:39:52,200 --> 00:39:53,640
Speaker 1: that's kind of what we do a lot of times

804
00:39:53,680 --> 00:39:56,040
Speaker 1: we say, well, this is gonna be hard I'm probably

805
00:39:56,120 --> 00:39:58,360
Speaker 1: not going to succeed, so I'm not gonna you know,

806
00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,359
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna work too hard at it, and that's

807
00:40:01,480 --> 00:40:04,839
Speaker 1: not really the best way to go about it, you know. Yeah,

808
00:40:04,840 --> 00:40:07,560
Speaker 1: speaking of like making excuses for not going out or

809
00:40:07,600 --> 00:40:10,919
Speaker 1: not hunting his harden, Um, rain, I feel like rain

810
00:40:11,000 --> 00:40:13,520
Speaker 1: is one of those things that people oftentimes like it's

811
00:40:13,560 --> 00:40:14,880
Speaker 1: not gonna be that good or I don't want to

812
00:40:14,880 --> 00:40:17,680
Speaker 1: get soaked, and they don't go hunting. I've always personally

813
00:40:17,719 --> 00:40:21,239
Speaker 1: loved rainy days for hunts. Um. I feel like I've

814
00:40:21,280 --> 00:40:23,600
Speaker 1: heard you two in the past talk about how you

815
00:40:23,640 --> 00:40:25,880
Speaker 1: know bad weather is no excuse? Is that right? Do

816
00:40:25,920 --> 00:40:30,160
Speaker 1: you do you love those kind of days too? Yeah? Huge.

817
00:40:30,640 --> 00:40:33,839
Speaker 1: I I would pick rain over any condition to hunt

818
00:40:33,880 --> 00:40:37,200
Speaker 1: in anywhere public, private. I don't care. Um, I just

819
00:40:38,040 --> 00:40:40,759
Speaker 1: I don't think dear like beingbedded down in the rain.

820
00:40:41,200 --> 00:40:43,560
Speaker 1: I think they, I think they just have the urge

821
00:40:43,600 --> 00:40:45,759
Speaker 1: to move more and I don't. I don't know why,

822
00:40:45,800 --> 00:40:50,000
Speaker 1: if it's just a discomfort thing or what. But I'm

823
00:40:50,040 --> 00:40:53,640
Speaker 1: you know, for me, I'm looking for conditions that people

824
00:40:53,640 --> 00:40:55,680
Speaker 1: don't want to hunt in. First, you know, the deer

825
00:40:55,680 --> 00:40:57,319
Speaker 1: are always going to be out there moving you know,

826
00:40:57,360 --> 00:40:59,960
Speaker 1: if it's hot, if it's windy, if it's rainy, they're

827
00:41:00,000 --> 00:41:02,880
Speaker 1: gonna move. We we think they don't. They do. But

828
00:41:03,280 --> 00:41:05,600
Speaker 1: I want to be out there when other people aren't there.

829
00:41:05,600 --> 00:41:09,160
Speaker 1: That's what matters to me more. And so I'm I'm

830
00:41:09,200 --> 00:41:11,399
Speaker 1: all in. If it's ninety degrees or if it's forty,

831
00:41:11,719 --> 00:41:13,759
Speaker 1: our winds or whatever, I don't care. I like it

832
00:41:13,760 --> 00:41:16,680
Speaker 1: when I like empty parking lot. Yeah, yeah, I agree

833
00:41:16,719 --> 00:41:19,279
Speaker 1: with you. What what when you have that kind of

834
00:41:19,280 --> 00:41:21,839
Speaker 1: scenario like you had there for that opening weekend hunt

835
00:41:21,880 --> 00:41:23,600
Speaker 1: in South Dakota where you see a bunch of rain

836
00:41:23,640 --> 00:41:26,719
Speaker 1: in the forecast, does that change your strategy at all?

837
00:41:26,800 --> 00:41:28,839
Speaker 1: Because okay, I see I've got this all this rain.

838
00:41:28,920 --> 00:41:31,000
Speaker 1: Did that change your perspective as to how you want

839
00:41:31,040 --> 00:41:33,840
Speaker 1: to approach that hunt where you sat anything like that? Like,

840
00:41:34,000 --> 00:41:36,279
Speaker 1: one thing jumps to my mind is maybe if it's

841
00:41:36,320 --> 00:41:39,160
Speaker 1: super rainy, it's gonna be really quiet going in there,

842
00:41:39,160 --> 00:41:40,400
Speaker 1: so you might be able to be a little more

843
00:41:40,400 --> 00:41:43,040
Speaker 1: aggressive getting close to bedding or something because you can

844
00:41:43,040 --> 00:41:45,040
Speaker 1: be doing that quietly. I don't know if that's something

845
00:41:45,040 --> 00:41:48,960
Speaker 1: that you ever think about, But what else is there? Well? Yeah,

846
00:41:49,040 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: it changed you know my whole strategy. If I go

847
00:41:51,560 --> 00:41:55,080
Speaker 1: to you know, a state like South Dakota where I'm hunting,

848
00:41:55,160 --> 00:41:58,600
Speaker 1: or if I go to Nebraska or Oklahoma or somewhere,

849
00:41:59,040 --> 00:42:02,080
Speaker 1: my my strategy is to identify a bunch of ponds

850
00:42:02,080 --> 00:42:05,920
Speaker 1: and sit over water I like. And that's early season,

851
00:42:06,000 --> 00:42:08,680
Speaker 1: mid season, late season. Dear drink every day and I

852
00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,839
Speaker 1: like water. Um. I intended to do that in South

853
00:42:12,920 --> 00:42:16,799
Speaker 1: Dakota until we knew at least the first four days

854
00:42:16,840 --> 00:42:18,880
Speaker 1: of the season we're gonna get dumped one. So I

855
00:42:19,000 --> 00:42:21,680
Speaker 1: ended up. You know, most of my planning was where

856
00:42:21,719 --> 00:42:24,320
Speaker 1: are these ponds I'm gonna go sit? And then seeing

857
00:42:24,360 --> 00:42:27,840
Speaker 1: that forecast, you know, developed, the closer to the hunt got,

858
00:42:28,040 --> 00:42:29,319
Speaker 1: then it was like, all right, well now we got

859
00:42:29,400 --> 00:42:32,000
Speaker 1: to call an audible and hunt them some other way.

860
00:42:32,160 --> 00:42:36,000
Speaker 1: And so the rain, like the rain aspect, you know

861
00:42:36,080 --> 00:42:38,759
Speaker 1: that that changes your strategy stuff. But for me, if

862
00:42:38,800 --> 00:42:40,520
Speaker 1: I can get over a bean field in the rain,

863
00:42:40,719 --> 00:42:44,319
Speaker 1: that's where I'll be first. And then if I'm not

864
00:42:44,440 --> 00:42:46,479
Speaker 1: on something in the rain, I'll go for a still

865
00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:48,640
Speaker 1: hunt and just look around and figure it out. And

866
00:42:48,719 --> 00:42:52,799
Speaker 1: one thing that I learned last year, UM, while hunting

867
00:42:52,800 --> 00:42:55,160
Speaker 1: in South Dakota is I did that. I got I

868
00:42:55,239 --> 00:42:56,840
Speaker 1: had a storm come in while I was sitting on

869
00:42:56,880 --> 00:42:59,080
Speaker 1: a stand, so I had to get down, and I

870
00:42:59,120 --> 00:43:01,319
Speaker 1: had already had to buck come out into the field,

871
00:43:01,520 --> 00:43:03,239
Speaker 1: and so I went and just snuck around to see

872
00:43:03,239 --> 00:43:06,759
Speaker 1: where they came from. And this like grassy knoll that

873
00:43:06,840 --> 00:43:09,839
Speaker 1: just feeds off of this field that they were in,

874
00:43:10,680 --> 00:43:13,920
Speaker 1: was so covered in deer bed. It was incredible. And

875
00:43:13,920 --> 00:43:15,279
Speaker 1: I didn't I didn't need to hunt it because I

876
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:18,000
Speaker 1: ended up killing that buck, but I just filed that away.

877
00:43:18,040 --> 00:43:20,680
Speaker 1: And part of the reason I went exploring was like,

878
00:43:20,760 --> 00:43:23,080
Speaker 1: it's the downpoard. There is gonna be a low impact thing,

879
00:43:23,160 --> 00:43:26,520
Speaker 1: and I want to see where those deer were coming from.

880
00:43:26,600 --> 00:43:29,040
Speaker 1: And so you can kind of you know, you may

881
00:43:29,120 --> 00:43:32,479
Speaker 1: have to do things differently, but you can sneak around

882
00:43:32,480 --> 00:43:34,960
Speaker 1: and take a look and scout. You know, we've we've

883
00:43:34,960 --> 00:43:38,760
Speaker 1: gotten so scared about doing doing that and bumping deer

884
00:43:39,000 --> 00:43:40,840
Speaker 1: or you know a lot of us are trying to

885
00:43:40,920 --> 00:43:44,239
Speaker 1: save deer on private land or save you know, you know,

886
00:43:44,360 --> 00:43:47,319
Speaker 1: quality action, I guess, and when you're on public land,

887
00:43:47,360 --> 00:43:49,040
Speaker 1: especially if you've got four or five days, I'm not

888
00:43:49,080 --> 00:43:51,959
Speaker 1: saving anything, Like I don't I don't want to scoop deer.

889
00:43:52,000 --> 00:43:54,279
Speaker 1: But I don't care, you know, And so you can.

890
00:43:54,400 --> 00:43:56,040
Speaker 1: You can take some risks and go try to figure

891
00:43:56,080 --> 00:43:58,080
Speaker 1: some stuff out. I think, you know, I think a

892
00:43:58,080 --> 00:44:02,320
Speaker 1: lot of times we play it just way too afely. Yeah,

893
00:44:02,520 --> 00:44:06,280
Speaker 1: what what was next? You had that success in South Dakota,

894
00:44:06,960 --> 00:44:10,560
Speaker 1: killed the dough in Wisconsin. Where where else did you

895
00:44:10,560 --> 00:44:13,399
Speaker 1: find success? Where are the other states? Um? I killed

896
00:44:13,400 --> 00:44:17,040
Speaker 1: a little buck in North Dakota. UM in the worst

897
00:44:17,080 --> 00:44:20,359
Speaker 1: wind I've ever hunted in UM. We had. I went

898
00:44:20,360 --> 00:44:22,000
Speaker 1: out with my buddy, Tyler Pierce. I'm not sure if

899
00:44:22,040 --> 00:44:25,320
Speaker 1: you know him or not, but we went out. Tyler

900
00:44:25,360 --> 00:44:27,680
Speaker 1: and I met up out there and we had any

901
00:44:27,719 --> 00:44:30,160
Speaker 1: deer tags so we could hunt mele deer and white tails.

902
00:44:30,200 --> 00:44:32,600
Speaker 1: And when we got there. The morning I got there,

903
00:44:33,160 --> 00:44:36,920
Speaker 1: it was nice and calm, pretty warm. We were right

904
00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,160
Speaker 1: in mid October, so it was kind of no man's land.

905
00:44:39,920 --> 00:44:43,040
Speaker 1: And that night the wind came in and we hunted

906
00:44:43,120 --> 00:44:47,600
Speaker 1: in horrible wind up to fifty five for almost the

907
00:44:47,640 --> 00:44:51,560
Speaker 1: rest of our trip. UM and it was rough. I mean,

908
00:44:51,600 --> 00:44:53,960
Speaker 1: I was on I found some bucks, a couple of

909
00:44:54,040 --> 00:44:56,759
Speaker 1: really good bucks that I could not set up for

910
00:44:56,880 --> 00:44:59,799
Speaker 1: because the wind never gave up. And it was. It

911
00:44:59,880 --> 00:45:02,920
Speaker 1: was tough, but I ended up. I ended up setting

912
00:45:02,920 --> 00:45:05,040
Speaker 1: to stand and just digging my heels in and saying, well,

913
00:45:05,080 --> 00:45:07,000
Speaker 1: I'm gonna sit through this wind. And we had a

914
00:45:07,040 --> 00:45:11,120
Speaker 1: high wind advisory. It was fifty five sustained. And I

915
00:45:11,160 --> 00:45:13,319
Speaker 1: got into that tree and I was like, you know,

916
00:45:13,840 --> 00:45:15,520
Speaker 1: the first thing I thought, it was like if I

917
00:45:15,600 --> 00:45:19,640
Speaker 1: die because this tree tips over, this is so dumb

918
00:45:20,040 --> 00:45:22,959
Speaker 1: and so. And then I'm like, even if this buck

919
00:45:23,000 --> 00:45:24,959
Speaker 1: comes in or a buck comes in, I can't stand

920
00:45:25,040 --> 00:45:27,480
Speaker 1: up and shoot. There's no way I'm gonna be comfortable

921
00:45:28,000 --> 00:45:30,239
Speaker 1: doing that. So I climbed down and got on the

922
00:45:30,239 --> 00:45:33,200
Speaker 1: ground and had seven does and a little buck come in,

923
00:45:33,280 --> 00:45:36,000
Speaker 1: and I thought, man, I've only got one day left.

924
00:45:36,400 --> 00:45:38,080
Speaker 1: We haven't killed anything. If they give me a really

925
00:45:38,120 --> 00:45:40,880
Speaker 1: good shot, I should probably just thump him throw him

926
00:45:40,880 --> 00:45:43,680
Speaker 1: in the cooler. And that's what happened. And the next

927
00:45:43,800 --> 00:45:45,879
Speaker 1: night it calmed down and I put Tyler in there

928
00:45:46,400 --> 00:45:49,080
Speaker 1: and the ten pointer that I was set up for

929
00:45:49,160 --> 00:45:52,120
Speaker 1: this ancient buck with. He was limping, he had the

930
00:45:52,200 --> 00:45:55,560
Speaker 1: Roman nos. He was just a cool dear. He came

931
00:45:55,640 --> 00:45:58,520
Speaker 1: right down and made one little decision that brought him

932
00:45:58,520 --> 00:46:00,560
Speaker 1: just out of Tyler's range. I go to watch the

933
00:46:00,560 --> 00:46:04,759
Speaker 1: whole thing from putting up on a hill across from him,

934
00:46:04,800 --> 00:46:08,239
Speaker 1: and it was so close. But that was that was

935
00:46:08,320 --> 00:46:12,120
Speaker 1: North Dakota in a nutshell. It was crazy, Wendy. That's

936
00:46:12,120 --> 00:46:14,520
Speaker 1: another one of the situations that, right you, some people

937
00:46:14,520 --> 00:46:16,080
Speaker 1: would say they wouldn't go out and hunt in those

938
00:46:16,160 --> 00:46:18,560
Speaker 1: kind of conditions, but you're you're going no matter what, right,

939
00:46:20,080 --> 00:46:24,640
Speaker 1: well you have to, Um, you know, I don't doing

940
00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:26,120
Speaker 1: what I do for a living. You know. Everybody thinks

941
00:46:26,160 --> 00:46:28,239
Speaker 1: I get paid to hunt, and I don't. I get

942
00:46:28,239 --> 00:46:31,760
Speaker 1: paid right and create content. But I create more content

943
00:46:31,840 --> 00:46:34,800
Speaker 1: if I kill more stuff, so I don't really I

944
00:46:34,840 --> 00:46:38,160
Speaker 1: can't afford to just take bad days off, you know.

945
00:46:38,760 --> 00:46:41,759
Speaker 1: And it's if I did, if I did say, you know,

946
00:46:41,800 --> 00:46:44,000
Speaker 1: I'm only gonna hunt when the conditions are pretty decent,

947
00:46:44,440 --> 00:46:47,080
Speaker 1: I'd probably only hunt half of the time. And I

948
00:46:47,320 --> 00:46:50,879
Speaker 1: don't really want to do that, you know. Um, So

949
00:46:50,920 --> 00:46:53,359
Speaker 1: it's just it is what it is. You just go

950
00:46:54,160 --> 00:46:59,120
Speaker 1: when you're on go ahead. I was gonna say in

951
00:46:59,160 --> 00:47:01,960
Speaker 1: that same kind of thing applies to even guys that

952
00:47:02,000 --> 00:47:04,640
Speaker 1: don't make a living making content or something, because a

953
00:47:04,640 --> 00:47:06,600
Speaker 1: lot of a lot of hunters have a limited amount

954
00:47:06,640 --> 00:47:07,799
Speaker 1: of time they can hunt. You know, they can just

955
00:47:07,880 --> 00:47:11,279
Speaker 1: hunt the weekends. And if you've got really bad wind

956
00:47:11,360 --> 00:47:14,120
Speaker 1: or rain this weekend or two weekends or in a

957
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:15,680
Speaker 1: row or whatever, are you just not gonna hunt it

958
00:47:15,680 --> 00:47:18,479
Speaker 1: all in October? Or you're gonna take off the time

959
00:47:18,560 --> 00:47:20,360
Speaker 1: that you would to do the thing you love and

960
00:47:20,360 --> 00:47:22,400
Speaker 1: then just not go because the conditions are bad. I

961
00:47:22,400 --> 00:47:25,520
Speaker 1: would always argue that, you know, even if the conditions

962
00:47:25,520 --> 00:47:28,200
Speaker 1: are bad, and we talk a lot about, at least

963
00:47:28,239 --> 00:47:30,279
Speaker 1: I talk a lot about, you know, waiting for the

964
00:47:30,360 --> 00:47:32,360
Speaker 1: right conditions to go on for the kill in certain

965
00:47:32,400 --> 00:47:35,040
Speaker 1: places like that, how important timing is. That doesn't mean

966
00:47:35,040 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: you can't hunt. That just means, okay, if the weather

967
00:47:37,600 --> 00:47:39,319
Speaker 1: is lousy or whatever, if the wind is so bad

968
00:47:39,360 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: you don't think a lot of deer gonna be moving,

969
00:47:41,120 --> 00:47:43,560
Speaker 1: maybe you do not go to your number one stand

970
00:47:43,560 --> 00:47:45,560
Speaker 1: where the big buck you've been after all seasons at,

971
00:47:45,600 --> 00:47:49,000
Speaker 1: but go hunt some public, go hunt whatever property you

972
00:47:49,000 --> 00:47:50,160
Speaker 1: haven't been too for a while, and just have a

973
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:53,439
Speaker 1: good time, you know, go out there and see what happens. Yeah,

974
00:47:53,560 --> 00:47:55,920
Speaker 1: that's that's such a good point. I mean, you know,

975
00:47:55,960 --> 00:48:00,319
Speaker 1: we should say if you're stuck hunting acres and that's

976
00:48:00,360 --> 00:48:03,160
Speaker 1: all you have. You know, you might not want to

977
00:48:03,160 --> 00:48:06,040
Speaker 1: go in there every possible chance you can, right, but

978
00:48:06,800 --> 00:48:08,600
Speaker 1: that's why you just try really hard not to get

979
00:48:08,600 --> 00:48:11,680
Speaker 1: stuck in that situation. And you know, I'm like you guys,

980
00:48:11,719 --> 00:48:15,799
Speaker 1: I'm I'm looking for spots all the time, public, private, whatever, um,

981
00:48:15,840 --> 00:48:17,759
Speaker 1: just just for that reason. If if I have a

982
00:48:17,840 --> 00:48:20,120
Speaker 1: chance to go, I have to for my job, but

983
00:48:20,200 --> 00:48:24,080
Speaker 1: I want to anyway. And I see this, This happened

984
00:48:24,080 --> 00:48:27,160
Speaker 1: a lot where it's it's just kind of easier to say,

985
00:48:27,600 --> 00:48:29,640
Speaker 1: you know, it's October tenth and it's kind of hot,

986
00:48:29,680 --> 00:48:31,200
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna go because it's not going to be

987
00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:34,640
Speaker 1: any good anyway. Man, I'm here to tell you that

988
00:48:34,640 --> 00:48:38,080
Speaker 1: that's just really not true. Yeah it's not November seven

989
00:48:38,200 --> 00:48:40,719
Speaker 1: when it's you know, twenty degrees in the morning. But

990
00:48:40,800 --> 00:48:42,640
Speaker 1: you can sure have a lot of fun out there still.

991
00:48:43,200 --> 00:48:45,759
Speaker 1: And you know, I always look at it like we

992
00:48:45,760 --> 00:48:47,320
Speaker 1: we go fishing a lot this summer. I take my

993
00:48:47,360 --> 00:48:51,440
Speaker 1: little girls fishing, and I I hate waking up in

994
00:48:51,480 --> 00:48:54,279
Speaker 1: the summer, you know, forty five minutes afore first light

995
00:48:54,320 --> 00:48:56,160
Speaker 1: to go fish small mouth or whatever, because I might

996
00:48:56,200 --> 00:48:58,360
Speaker 1: I just want to hit the alarm and sleep. But

997
00:48:58,560 --> 00:49:00,319
Speaker 1: every single time I get out there on at lake

998
00:49:00,360 --> 00:49:03,479
Speaker 1: and that suns rising and we're throwing topwaters for small mouth,

999
00:49:03,520 --> 00:49:07,080
Speaker 1: it's beautiful. I'm like, I never regret doing this. It's

1000
00:49:07,120 --> 00:49:09,080
Speaker 1: the same thing when I get into that tree stand.

1001
00:49:09,440 --> 00:49:11,200
Speaker 1: I'm never like, oh, this was a stupid idea. I

1002
00:49:11,200 --> 00:49:12,600
Speaker 1: should just say at home. I'm always like, this was

1003
00:49:12,640 --> 00:49:17,719
Speaker 1: an awesome idea. You know, to that same point, um,

1004
00:49:17,760 --> 00:49:21,680
Speaker 1: in most situations, it would be considered unorthodox to like

1005
00:49:21,840 --> 00:49:25,360
Speaker 1: hunt in the morning. You know, prior to say October

1006
00:49:25,440 --> 00:49:28,200
Speaker 1: fift most guys just aren't doing it. But when you're

1007
00:49:28,280 --> 00:49:32,280
Speaker 1: on those public land, uh, you know a set schedule,

1008
00:49:32,360 --> 00:49:34,239
Speaker 1: like you only got five days to hunts, do you

1009
00:49:34,239 --> 00:49:38,440
Speaker 1: find yourself hunting any mornings at all? All time? I

1010
00:49:38,440 --> 00:49:41,520
Speaker 1: don't ever take the morning off. So this is another

1011
00:49:41,600 --> 00:49:44,800
Speaker 1: thing that the lies that we believe about deer hunting.

1012
00:49:44,920 --> 00:49:48,239
Speaker 1: Like a lot of people who who you know, know

1013
00:49:48,360 --> 00:49:50,160
Speaker 1: a lot about deer will say that don't hunt him

1014
00:49:50,160 --> 00:49:53,480
Speaker 1: in the morning. Well, what if you have an awesome

1015
00:49:53,480 --> 00:49:55,880
Speaker 1: situation to go catch some deer stage and coming off

1016
00:49:55,920 --> 00:49:59,040
Speaker 1: a field to go bed. What if you live in

1017
00:49:59,080 --> 00:50:01,480
Speaker 1: a state like Minnesota, know where our gun season this

1018
00:50:01,560 --> 00:50:03,879
Speaker 1: year starts on November three, so we have a half

1019
00:50:03,880 --> 00:50:07,239
Speaker 1: a million gun hunters out there on November three, So

1020
00:50:07,320 --> 00:50:09,520
Speaker 1: I can't count on the rut. So I'm gonna take

1021
00:50:09,560 --> 00:50:13,399
Speaker 1: every morning off until what October. I just no way.

1022
00:50:13,880 --> 00:50:18,440
Speaker 1: And you know, as an example, last year in uh

1023
00:50:18,520 --> 00:50:21,840
Speaker 1: in Minnesota, I killed my buck the second morning of

1024
00:50:21,880 --> 00:50:26,080
Speaker 1: the season, September six or seventeenth or whatever, coming through

1025
00:50:26,080 --> 00:50:28,640
Speaker 1: the stage on his way back from feeding, and it

1026
00:50:28,800 --> 00:50:31,879
Speaker 1: was kind of a process to set up and get in,

1027
00:50:32,080 --> 00:50:33,640
Speaker 1: you know, he kind of had the circle around and

1028
00:50:34,080 --> 00:50:37,040
Speaker 1: at a leaf pretty early. But that was a great

1029
00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,280
Speaker 1: morning hunt, killed a nice block. And then in South Dakota,

1030
00:50:40,280 --> 00:50:41,879
Speaker 1: I killed that buck in the morning in the same

1031
00:50:41,960 --> 00:50:44,399
Speaker 1: kind of situation where he was working his way back

1032
00:50:44,440 --> 00:50:48,120
Speaker 1: from feeding to go bed, and we like to say, well,

1033
00:50:48,280 --> 00:50:50,839
Speaker 1: you're just gonna screw it up. Always back in their

1034
00:50:50,880 --> 00:50:53,600
Speaker 1: beds before the first light, Like that's crazy. Every deer,

1035
00:50:53,719 --> 00:50:57,479
Speaker 1: every situation. You know, it's just usually takes a lot

1036
00:50:57,600 --> 00:51:00,719
Speaker 1: more work to figure out a good morning stand in

1037
00:51:00,760 --> 00:51:03,640
Speaker 1: the early season then it does the evenings, you know.

1038
00:51:03,680 --> 00:51:05,120
Speaker 1: I mean in the evenings we go to the food

1039
00:51:05,120 --> 00:51:08,120
Speaker 1: plot or a field edge, and it's pretty simple hunting

1040
00:51:08,600 --> 00:51:10,120
Speaker 1: in the morning, You've got to think about how you

1041
00:51:10,160 --> 00:51:13,040
Speaker 1: get in there without spook and everything, And it's just

1042
00:51:13,080 --> 00:51:15,640
Speaker 1: a different strategy, you know, but it can totally be done.

1043
00:51:16,200 --> 00:51:17,719
Speaker 1: It kind of relates back to what we were just

1044
00:51:17,760 --> 00:51:20,480
Speaker 1: saying about the weather, you know, like if you don't

1045
00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:23,760
Speaker 1: have the perfect conditions, maybe don't go to your perfect

1046
00:51:23,840 --> 00:51:25,719
Speaker 1: set until you have the right conditions. But you can

1047
00:51:25,719 --> 00:51:27,799
Speaker 1: still find ways to to go hunt and have a

1048
00:51:27,800 --> 00:51:29,600
Speaker 1: good time. I feel like with this kind of situation,

1049
00:51:30,160 --> 00:51:33,799
Speaker 1: if you've got a really small property and you know

1050
00:51:33,920 --> 00:51:36,200
Speaker 1: you don't have the right set up for a morning hunt,

1051
00:51:36,280 --> 00:51:38,840
Speaker 1: like it's there's not a good backdoor access route or something.

1052
00:51:39,400 --> 00:51:41,640
Speaker 1: Maybe in that situation, yet, don't hunt those mornings if

1053
00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,000
Speaker 1: you can't safely, If you can't safely pull off a

1054
00:51:44,040 --> 00:51:46,600
Speaker 1: morning hunt without screwing it up, maybe that's not a

1055
00:51:46,600 --> 00:51:48,680
Speaker 1: good idea. But if there is a way to do it,

1056
00:51:48,680 --> 00:51:52,080
Speaker 1: it takes a little extra work. To your point, why not, Um,

1057
00:51:52,360 --> 00:51:54,040
Speaker 1: I mean I'm in the same boat as is what

1058
00:51:54,080 --> 00:51:56,400
Speaker 1: you described, Tony that I usually don't hunt a lot

1059
00:51:56,440 --> 00:51:59,000
Speaker 1: of mornings on like my main Michigan like my little

1060
00:51:59,040 --> 00:52:02,320
Speaker 1: small Michigan private farms, because I can't get in easily

1061
00:52:02,360 --> 00:52:04,960
Speaker 1: without spooking deer. But you know, when I'm going out

1062
00:52:04,960 --> 00:52:06,279
Speaker 1: on some of these public land hounds, like I was

1063
00:52:06,320 --> 00:52:09,440
Speaker 1: in Montana last year, um, public land, and I had

1064
00:52:09,440 --> 00:52:11,200
Speaker 1: a pretty tight amount of time, only had like four

1065
00:52:11,280 --> 00:52:14,080
Speaker 1: or four and a half days. I decided, just like

1066
00:52:14,120 --> 00:52:15,520
Speaker 1: what you said, I was like, I don't I don't

1067
00:52:15,560 --> 00:52:18,000
Speaker 1: have time to I don't have enough time to be

1068
00:52:18,040 --> 00:52:20,000
Speaker 1: able to sacrifice those morings. I need to try to

1069
00:52:20,000 --> 00:52:21,920
Speaker 1: figure out some way to make it work. So I

1070
00:52:21,920 --> 00:52:24,800
Speaker 1: had to take an extra long route away around the

1071
00:52:24,800 --> 00:52:26,399
Speaker 1: food source to get away from that so I didn't

1072
00:52:26,400 --> 00:52:28,920
Speaker 1: spook deer there coming through the back door, get into

1073
00:52:28,880 --> 00:52:30,920
Speaker 1: the back of the betting area, and uh, you know,

1074
00:52:30,960 --> 00:52:34,520
Speaker 1: it paid off. I saw some box almost had some shots. UM.

1075
00:52:34,600 --> 00:52:36,960
Speaker 1: So you know, kind of to all these things, it's right,

1076
00:52:37,000 --> 00:52:39,879
Speaker 1: it's situations specific. You need to be smart about when

1077
00:52:39,920 --> 00:52:42,240
Speaker 1: you take your shots, how you do it. But there's

1078
00:52:42,320 --> 00:52:45,359
Speaker 1: definitely if there's anything I've learned, you know, over these

1079
00:52:45,400 --> 00:52:47,680
Speaker 1: years talking to some different people in the podcast, it's

1080
00:52:47,880 --> 00:52:50,959
Speaker 1: it's that there's no like black and white rules. There's

1081
00:52:51,040 --> 00:52:54,719
Speaker 1: lots of ideas and frameworks to think about, but you

1082
00:52:54,760 --> 00:52:56,759
Speaker 1: need to be able to be flexible based on the

1083
00:52:56,800 --> 00:53:02,560
Speaker 1: specific circumstances. That's because that it's a true and that

1084
00:53:02,719 --> 00:53:06,040
Speaker 1: you know what you're talking about with small properties, and

1085
00:53:06,080 --> 00:53:07,920
Speaker 1: some of them you can do, some of them you can't.

1086
00:53:08,320 --> 00:53:11,640
Speaker 1: The thing about it is when you say you can't,

1087
00:53:12,320 --> 00:53:16,080
Speaker 1: you can't hunt bucks in the morning in the early season,

1088
00:53:16,719 --> 00:53:19,080
Speaker 1: you should never do it. Then you're just like you're

1089
00:53:19,120 --> 00:53:21,719
Speaker 1: just giving yourself an excuse to not even try. Or

1090
00:53:21,760 --> 00:53:24,279
Speaker 1: it's like how many people have you heard say, well,

1091
00:53:24,400 --> 00:53:27,040
Speaker 1: it's it's too windy, the deer just aren't going to move.

1092
00:53:27,360 --> 00:53:30,240
Speaker 1: Like that's crazy, but we we say it and we

1093
00:53:30,239 --> 00:53:32,560
Speaker 1: we live by it sometimes and I just look at

1094
00:53:32,600 --> 00:53:34,839
Speaker 1: that stuff and I go, so all the deer are

1095
00:53:34,880 --> 00:53:38,200
Speaker 1: just not going to move today, Like there's no situation

1096
00:53:38,239 --> 00:53:39,879
Speaker 1: where you can figure out how to how to get

1097
00:53:39,920 --> 00:53:41,720
Speaker 1: in there and hunt them in the morning. That's crazy,

1098
00:53:41,840 --> 00:53:47,000
Speaker 1: you know. I mean some it's always worth investigating. To me.

1099
00:53:47,360 --> 00:53:50,640
Speaker 1: You know, a theme that a theme that you've touched

1100
00:53:50,680 --> 00:53:54,160
Speaker 1: on a lot is avoiding pressure. And so if I'm

1101
00:53:54,200 --> 00:53:57,160
Speaker 1: thinking about when the most amount of other hunters are

1102
00:53:57,160 --> 00:53:59,720
Speaker 1: in the woods, it's probably going to be like opening weekend,

1103
00:54:00,040 --> 00:54:03,560
Speaker 1: that could be anytime depending on your state. And then

1104
00:54:03,840 --> 00:54:07,799
Speaker 1: like come the rut that was first days of November.

1105
00:54:07,960 --> 00:54:11,000
Speaker 1: So do you hunt mid October a lot? And are

1106
00:54:11,120 --> 00:54:15,480
Speaker 1: maybe other hunters overlooking that time period because just there

1107
00:54:15,480 --> 00:54:18,560
Speaker 1: aren't very many people in the woods. Yeah, big time.

1108
00:54:18,760 --> 00:54:20,879
Speaker 1: I mean if you're if you're a public land guy

1109
00:54:21,360 --> 00:54:26,440
Speaker 1: and you're you're not hunting October, you're missing out. I mean,

1110
00:54:26,520 --> 00:54:31,000
Speaker 1: it's that there are deer out there that are going

1111
00:54:31,040 --> 00:54:32,600
Speaker 1: to be moving. It's it's not going to be a

1112
00:54:32,640 --> 00:54:35,239
Speaker 1: field edge thing anymore. You know, it's not going to

1113
00:54:35,320 --> 00:54:38,239
Speaker 1: be the same kind of hunt as it was two

1114
00:54:38,239 --> 00:54:41,840
Speaker 1: weeks or a month before. But those two are gonna stage,

1115
00:54:41,840 --> 00:54:43,960
Speaker 1: They're gonna eat acorns, they're gonna drink in a pond.

1116
00:54:44,360 --> 00:54:46,920
Speaker 1: There's a lot of stuff to do. And you mentioned

1117
00:54:47,520 --> 00:54:49,560
Speaker 1: the fewer people that are out there chasing them around,

1118
00:54:49,560 --> 00:54:51,640
Speaker 1: the more likely you are to have good deer movement.

1119
00:54:52,040 --> 00:54:54,080
Speaker 1: And you know, I'll tell you last year was a

1120
00:54:54,200 --> 00:54:57,360
Speaker 1: real eye opener for me in mid October because I

1121
00:54:57,480 --> 00:55:00,840
Speaker 1: encountered big box in mid of soda in a place

1122
00:55:00,840 --> 00:55:04,680
Speaker 1: that I never thought I would. You know, I had

1123
00:55:04,760 --> 00:55:07,040
Speaker 1: never seen a bucket anywhere near the caliber I saw

1124
00:55:07,160 --> 00:55:10,880
Speaker 1: last year on like October tenth, and in Wisconsin. I

1125
00:55:10,880 --> 00:55:14,040
Speaker 1: saw the same thing at a time when it just

1126
00:55:14,040 --> 00:55:17,440
Speaker 1: shouldn't have been happening, And I'm sitting here going this

1127
00:55:17,600 --> 00:55:20,480
Speaker 1: has to at least partially be due to the fact

1128
00:55:20,560 --> 00:55:25,320
Speaker 1: that they're way fewer people out you're messing around. Yeah,

1129
00:55:25,520 --> 00:55:27,919
Speaker 1: it's funny when you just said that, when you said

1130
00:55:27,960 --> 00:55:30,239
Speaker 1: you saw these two bucks. In my head, the first

1131
00:55:30,239 --> 00:55:32,840
Speaker 1: thing that popped in my head was why. Okay, so

1132
00:55:32,880 --> 00:55:35,719
Speaker 1: we saw these big bucks middle of October. Why And

1133
00:55:35,719 --> 00:55:37,800
Speaker 1: then you just answered it because you thought the pressure

1134
00:55:37,840 --> 00:55:39,359
Speaker 1: is lower. And this goes back to something you were

1135
00:55:39,360 --> 00:55:41,200
Speaker 1: talking about a little while ago. I can't remember what

1136
00:55:41,239 --> 00:55:45,720
Speaker 1: the specific example was, but just this importance of whenever

1137
00:55:45,760 --> 00:55:49,759
Speaker 1: you observe something, you should always try to examine the why.

1138
00:55:49,880 --> 00:55:52,360
Speaker 1: Like nothing happens by chance. I don't think in the woods.

1139
00:55:52,360 --> 00:55:54,920
Speaker 1: There's always got to be something behind it. So whenever

1140
00:55:54,960 --> 00:55:56,720
Speaker 1: you see something like that. At least, what I always

1141
00:55:56,719 --> 00:55:59,440
Speaker 1: try to do is when I observe something or whatever

1142
00:55:59,520 --> 00:56:02,680
Speaker 1: might be, I then we'll sit back and think through, Okay,

1143
00:56:02,840 --> 00:56:05,040
Speaker 1: what what was the wind or what was the condition,

1144
00:56:05,160 --> 00:56:07,680
Speaker 1: or what was the train feature, what was the whatever

1145
00:56:07,840 --> 00:56:09,600
Speaker 1: that caused that deer to do that thing? And I

1146
00:56:09,600 --> 00:56:12,120
Speaker 1: think if you keep doing that all the time, that's

1147
00:56:12,120 --> 00:56:15,560
Speaker 1: how you really begin to learn. Um, yeah, do you

1148
00:56:15,640 --> 00:56:18,480
Speaker 1: agree with that, Tony? And then number two, was there

1149
00:56:18,480 --> 00:56:21,080
Speaker 1: anything else other than the pressure factor during that mid

1150
00:56:21,160 --> 00:56:24,719
Speaker 1: October time frame that you think led to those settings? Oh?

1151
00:56:24,719 --> 00:56:27,160
Speaker 1: For sure? Hunting in the cover, you know, I mean

1152
00:56:27,200 --> 00:56:30,760
Speaker 1: I think I don't you know, I have no idea

1153
00:56:31,280 --> 00:56:35,959
Speaker 1: what percentage of tree stands that the average bow hunter

1154
00:56:36,080 --> 00:56:39,680
Speaker 1: hangs that are on field edges or food plot edges

1155
00:56:39,960 --> 00:56:41,960
Speaker 1: or some kind of opening, right, we'd like to be

1156
00:56:42,000 --> 00:56:44,920
Speaker 1: able to see. It's really this is a really rampant

1157
00:56:44,920 --> 00:56:46,360
Speaker 1: in the gun hunting world where they want to be

1158
00:56:46,400 --> 00:56:48,680
Speaker 1: on a power line and shoot four yards away. But

1159
00:56:48,760 --> 00:56:50,920
Speaker 1: both hunters fall into the same thing where we'd like

1160
00:56:51,000 --> 00:56:54,400
Speaker 1: to be able to see, you know, But those deer,

1161
00:56:54,440 --> 00:56:57,160
Speaker 1: after a couple of weeks of getting hunted in those places,

1162
00:56:57,320 --> 00:57:01,560
Speaker 1: they really really stick to that. Ever, And you know,

1163
00:57:01,960 --> 00:57:04,560
Speaker 1: when I hang stand, both of the stands that I

1164
00:57:04,600 --> 00:57:07,200
Speaker 1: saw those big bucks on were in the cover. They

1165
00:57:07,200 --> 00:57:10,520
Speaker 1: were in in what I figured were staging areas, And

1166
00:57:10,560 --> 00:57:12,279
Speaker 1: so you're just in a place where those deer feel

1167
00:57:12,360 --> 00:57:14,879
Speaker 1: comfortable moving. You know, would I have had the same

1168
00:57:14,880 --> 00:57:16,760
Speaker 1: results if I was sitting on the same field edge

1169
00:57:16,760 --> 00:57:20,560
Speaker 1: stands I sat in on September fifteenth. Probably not. And

1170
00:57:21,280 --> 00:57:23,040
Speaker 1: you know, you can't prove why a deer's movement, But

1171
00:57:23,080 --> 00:57:26,320
Speaker 1: like what you said about there's a reason for everything.

1172
00:57:26,760 --> 00:57:30,520
Speaker 1: Those dear nature doesn't waste a calorie. It's hardly ever

1173
00:57:31,080 --> 00:57:33,440
Speaker 1: until there is a reason for it. And like you said,

1174
00:57:33,840 --> 00:57:36,960
Speaker 1: if you're paying attention to this stuff, and and you

1175
00:57:37,000 --> 00:57:39,280
Speaker 1: know all of the conditions and where you're hunting and

1176
00:57:39,280 --> 00:57:41,880
Speaker 1: how you're getting in there, and you see these deer

1177
00:57:41,920 --> 00:57:44,680
Speaker 1: doing stuff, you can figure out kind of why. And

1178
00:57:44,760 --> 00:57:48,720
Speaker 1: even if you don't really understand the total driver for

1179
00:57:48,720 --> 00:57:51,880
Speaker 1: their movements or whatever, it doesn't really matter as long

1180
00:57:51,920 --> 00:57:54,120
Speaker 1: as you know they're like doing it. You know, if

1181
00:57:54,160 --> 00:57:56,600
Speaker 1: you see a buck across the creek in a little spot,

1182
00:57:57,000 --> 00:57:59,120
Speaker 1: does it really matter why he crossed it? You know,

1183
00:57:59,200 --> 00:58:01,600
Speaker 1: in three years, a different big bucks going to cross it, Like,

1184
00:58:01,640 --> 00:58:03,840
Speaker 1: does it really matter where they're going? It's fun to

1185
00:58:03,840 --> 00:58:07,640
Speaker 1: figure out. But the cool thing is knowing that a

1186
00:58:08,040 --> 00:58:11,000
Speaker 1: mature buck like you know that did that one day,

1187
00:58:11,040 --> 00:58:12,880
Speaker 1: and if you did it one day, either him or

1188
00:58:12,960 --> 00:58:15,960
Speaker 1: somebody else will do it again. Yeah. Yes, It's like

1189
00:58:16,000 --> 00:58:18,200
Speaker 1: just making sure your eyes are open to stuff, and

1190
00:58:18,280 --> 00:58:20,760
Speaker 1: like not just saying oh, I saw a big buck there,

1191
00:58:21,040 --> 00:58:23,680
Speaker 1: but saying, oh, I saw a big buck there because

1192
00:58:23,680 --> 00:58:25,600
Speaker 1: there's a creek crossing, and then like taking note of

1193
00:58:25,640 --> 00:58:28,160
Speaker 1: that and to your point, oh, more bucks might do

1194
00:58:28,200 --> 00:58:30,480
Speaker 1: that same thing in the future because there's this creek crossing.

1195
00:58:30,920 --> 00:58:34,200
Speaker 1: I think that accumulation over the years makes it makes

1196
00:58:34,200 --> 00:58:38,360
Speaker 1: a big difference. Yeah, And that's you know, that's it's

1197
00:58:38,480 --> 00:58:41,800
Speaker 1: it's easy to talk to speak in those terms when

1198
00:58:41,800 --> 00:58:44,320
Speaker 1: you hunt a lot of different places because you're you're

1199
00:58:44,400 --> 00:58:48,800
Speaker 1: used to you know, new experience, new challenges, learning, watching

1200
00:58:48,840 --> 00:58:52,400
Speaker 1: a lot of different stuff. The harder part sometimes is

1201
00:58:52,440 --> 00:58:54,640
Speaker 1: when you think you know a property really well and

1202
00:58:54,640 --> 00:58:57,160
Speaker 1: it still kicks your butt because you're like, well, the

1203
00:58:57,360 --> 00:58:58,880
Speaker 1: deer like doing this and they don't like doing this,

1204
00:58:58,960 --> 00:59:00,800
Speaker 1: but why can't I get on it? And a lot

1205
00:59:00,840 --> 00:59:02,919
Speaker 1: of times it's because we just make up our mind

1206
00:59:02,920 --> 00:59:06,960
Speaker 1: about certain things or we haven't understood that that you know,

1207
00:59:07,040 --> 00:59:10,600
Speaker 1: the brows has changed, or you know, maybe some destination

1208
00:59:10,640 --> 00:59:13,400
Speaker 1: food source changed or something. And so if you if

1209
00:59:13,440 --> 00:59:15,800
Speaker 1: you hunt where you're in a lot of new places,

1210
00:59:15,840 --> 00:59:17,880
Speaker 1: a lot you just have to you have to consider

1211
00:59:17,920 --> 00:59:21,280
Speaker 1: that stuff where you're gonna get smoked, you know. Yeah, yeah,

1212
00:59:21,280 --> 00:59:24,320
Speaker 1: that's a good point. Speaking of that, then, was there

1213
00:59:24,360 --> 00:59:27,720
Speaker 1: anything last year that any example like that last year

1214
00:59:27,720 --> 00:59:31,440
Speaker 1: where you had an AHA moment or any big lessons

1215
00:59:31,560 --> 00:59:34,200
Speaker 1: learned or anything else really notable like that. Um, maybe

1216
00:59:34,240 --> 00:59:36,840
Speaker 1: you already touched on it, but if not, anything that

1217
00:59:36,880 --> 00:59:41,640
Speaker 1: stands out in that regarding UM, I think I think

1218
00:59:41,720 --> 00:59:45,880
Speaker 1: North Dakota taught me a lesson that I should have

1219
00:59:45,960 --> 00:59:51,000
Speaker 1: just I should have just waited on that wind and

1220
00:59:51,600 --> 00:59:54,520
Speaker 1: used the one night I had and used it right.

1221
00:59:54,960 --> 00:59:57,000
Speaker 1: And I should have been more patient, but I got

1222
00:59:57,000 --> 00:59:59,800
Speaker 1: nervous about, you know, going home without filling a tag,

1223
00:59:59,840 --> 01:00:02,440
Speaker 1: and I wanted some more dear in my freezer. But

1224
01:00:03,240 --> 01:00:05,000
Speaker 1: when you when you're on you know, I was on

1225
01:00:05,160 --> 01:00:08,600
Speaker 1: pretty consistent movement by some good bucks, but I panic

1226
01:00:08,640 --> 01:00:10,560
Speaker 1: because I'm like, if I only have one night to

1227
01:00:10,600 --> 01:00:12,880
Speaker 1: do it, then I don't know if I can do it. Well.

1228
01:00:13,720 --> 01:00:17,000
Speaker 1: You know, that's sometimes just the hand you're dealt by

1229
01:00:17,040 --> 01:00:20,040
Speaker 1: mother nature. And I should have I should have been

1230
01:00:20,080 --> 01:00:23,080
Speaker 1: more patient, but I partially wasn't because I knew I

1231
01:00:23,120 --> 01:00:25,000
Speaker 1: could put my buddy in there and hopefully he would

1232
01:00:25,080 --> 01:00:28,280
Speaker 1: kill one of those big bucks. But just just watching

1233
01:00:28,320 --> 01:00:30,320
Speaker 1: that and feeling that pressure like I gotta get in there,

1234
01:00:30,320 --> 01:00:32,000
Speaker 1: gotta get in there, got in there, and sometimes you

1235
01:00:32,080 --> 01:00:35,360
Speaker 1: just say I can't overcome mother nature here. I just

1236
01:00:35,400 --> 01:00:38,560
Speaker 1: got to write it out until things change, you know.

1237
01:00:38,640 --> 01:00:41,000
Speaker 1: And I feel like I learned something like that every year,

1238
01:00:41,040 --> 01:00:44,200
Speaker 1: where I'm just reminded, like, dude, just just chill out,

1239
01:00:44,280 --> 01:00:48,520
Speaker 1: be patient and let this stuff unfold, uh, you know,

1240
01:00:48,560 --> 01:00:50,560
Speaker 1: instead of forcing it, because sometimes I do get pretty

1241
01:00:50,560 --> 01:00:53,960
Speaker 1: aggressive in my tactics. But you know, it's it's just

1242
01:00:55,200 --> 01:00:58,040
Speaker 1: everybody has holes in their game. I guess once in

1243
01:00:58,040 --> 01:01:01,160
Speaker 1: a while, I run into mind, you know. Yeah, So

1244
01:01:01,480 --> 01:01:04,440
Speaker 1: I think that's a pretty good segue then into um

1245
01:01:04,440 --> 01:01:06,960
Speaker 1: talking about what you're gonna do this year, unless Spencer,

1246
01:01:06,960 --> 01:01:09,320
Speaker 1: do you have any other questions? Uh? For Tony about

1247
01:01:09,360 --> 01:01:13,800
Speaker 1: what happened seventeen. No, let's let's hear about this fall. Yeah.

1248
01:01:14,000 --> 01:01:17,720
Speaker 1: You you've already been hunting, though, haven't you. I have

1249
01:01:17,840 --> 01:01:20,040
Speaker 1: been hunting. Yeah. I got to hunt down in Florida

1250
01:01:20,120 --> 01:01:22,840
Speaker 1: in the craziest white chill season out there. What was

1251
01:01:22,880 --> 01:01:29,640
Speaker 1: that like? Miserable? Uh? It was it was. I'll tell

1252
01:01:29,680 --> 01:01:32,280
Speaker 1: you what. I've been pretty lucky and traveled to quite

1253
01:01:32,280 --> 01:01:34,240
Speaker 1: a few different places and I have never been to

1254
01:01:34,280 --> 01:01:38,800
Speaker 1: a place as inhospitable as the swamps in south central

1255
01:01:38,800 --> 01:01:42,919
Speaker 1: Florida in the end of July beginning of August. That

1256
01:01:43,000 --> 01:01:49,640
Speaker 1: place does not want humans there. It's brutal, brutal. Wow,

1257
01:01:50,000 --> 01:01:53,720
Speaker 1: just so hot or what else? Oh? Yeah, I mean

1258
01:01:53,760 --> 01:01:56,160
Speaker 1: the heat, of course is you know, it's omni president

1259
01:01:56,160 --> 01:01:59,760
Speaker 1: it's everywhere, and the humidity, but the bugs, Like I

1260
01:02:00,040 --> 01:02:01,560
Speaker 1: you know, I've spent a lot of time in northern

1261
01:02:01,600 --> 01:02:06,320
Speaker 1: Minnesota where the mosquitoes are pretty epic, and I don't

1262
01:02:06,360 --> 01:02:08,920
Speaker 1: think it. I don't think I've ever seen anything like

1263
01:02:09,120 --> 01:02:13,800
Speaker 1: what Florida was like mosquito wise, And you know, there's

1264
01:02:14,600 --> 01:02:17,400
Speaker 1: cookie cutter storms every day in the afternoon, so you

1265
01:02:17,480 --> 01:02:20,120
Speaker 1: just all of a sudden get this, you know, lightning

1266
01:02:20,440 --> 01:02:23,080
Speaker 1: hit in the ground and just crazy rain for a

1267
01:02:23,120 --> 01:02:27,479
Speaker 1: little bit, this monsoon kind of weather. And so you're

1268
01:02:27,560 --> 01:02:30,520
Speaker 1: you're like in this place where there's water everywhere, and

1269
01:02:30,520 --> 01:02:33,800
Speaker 1: there's alligators everywhere. So you just see these gators in

1270
01:02:33,840 --> 01:02:37,280
Speaker 1: places where you're like that should not be. And because

1271
01:02:37,440 --> 01:02:40,800
Speaker 1: that because it's so wet, it pushes some of the

1272
01:02:40,840 --> 01:02:44,480
Speaker 1: other stuff into the high spots, like the snakes, and

1273
01:02:44,520 --> 01:02:48,160
Speaker 1: so it's just this like it's this place, man, where

1274
01:02:48,200 --> 01:02:53,480
Speaker 1: it's it's really interesting experience, but it is not for everyone.

1275
01:02:54,400 --> 01:03:00,000
Speaker 1: So would you return? Yeah, you know, it's such a strange,

1276
01:03:00,000 --> 01:03:02,240
Speaker 1: ange deal this. You know, it's like elk hunting almost

1277
01:03:02,320 --> 01:03:05,600
Speaker 1: where you go elk hunting, and elk hunting can just

1278
01:03:05,600 --> 01:03:09,560
Speaker 1: just totally kick your butt. It can be so not

1279
01:03:09,800 --> 01:03:12,800
Speaker 1: fun in some ways, but by the time you're driving home,

1280
01:03:12,880 --> 01:03:15,200
Speaker 1: you're already thinking, how do I do this different next year?

1281
01:03:15,680 --> 01:03:18,160
Speaker 1: And Florida. You know, the good thing is we had

1282
01:03:18,200 --> 01:03:21,080
Speaker 1: a really good crew down in Florida. I hunted with

1283
01:03:21,160 --> 01:03:24,760
Speaker 1: some really cool people and it was everybody was everybody

1284
01:03:24,840 --> 01:03:27,320
Speaker 1: was up for the misery and the challenge, which was

1285
01:03:27,440 --> 01:03:30,160
Speaker 1: nice because I've been on hunts like that where you

1286
01:03:30,280 --> 01:03:32,400
Speaker 1: have people that need a little more comfort and they

1287
01:03:32,440 --> 01:03:35,640
Speaker 1: can make it really really bad because they'll start complaining.

1288
01:03:35,640 --> 01:03:37,919
Speaker 1: And this this crew we had was awesome and so

1289
01:03:38,200 --> 01:03:39,520
Speaker 1: by the end of it we were talking about how

1290
01:03:39,560 --> 01:03:42,280
Speaker 1: we could get down there and hunt some some massolas

1291
01:03:42,320 --> 01:03:45,720
Speaker 1: in the springs. So yeah, I'll do it again. Did

1292
01:03:45,720 --> 01:03:48,200
Speaker 1: anyone see any deer to anyone kill anything? Was there

1293
01:03:48,480 --> 01:03:53,200
Speaker 1: any film? Mike Shay from Field and Stream killed a

1294
01:03:53,280 --> 01:03:57,320
Speaker 1: Great Buck Opening night, um and then you know, we

1295
01:03:57,360 --> 01:04:00,919
Speaker 1: all saw a deer. It was just tough. I saw,

1296
01:04:01,120 --> 01:04:03,720
Speaker 1: I saw a couple of little bucks, a bunch of doughs,

1297
01:04:04,360 --> 01:04:06,800
Speaker 1: killed a pig, you know that. That was the one

1298
01:04:06,840 --> 01:04:09,280
Speaker 1: fun thing about it that kind of kept you going

1299
01:04:09,360 --> 01:04:11,680
Speaker 1: was there were a lot of pigs down there and

1300
01:04:11,720 --> 01:04:15,640
Speaker 1: they were big, and so that's always it's always fun

1301
01:04:15,680 --> 01:04:18,760
Speaker 1: to have a bonus critter that could run through you know. Yeah,

1302
01:04:19,520 --> 01:04:21,520
Speaker 1: how how do you hunt an area like that? Like

1303
01:04:21,560 --> 01:04:25,200
Speaker 1: what were you were targeting food sources or bay or

1304
01:04:25,720 --> 01:04:27,440
Speaker 1: I don't know, how do you hunt in July for

1305
01:04:27,480 --> 01:04:31,600
Speaker 1: white tails in Florida? So you know, they have some

1306
01:04:31,840 --> 01:04:35,200
Speaker 1: feeders down there, and they have some food plots, and

1307
01:04:35,240 --> 01:04:40,000
Speaker 1: then there's just places that they go because it's you know,

1308
01:04:40,080 --> 01:04:42,000
Speaker 1: high ground. I mean, it's kind of like hunting swamps

1309
01:04:42,080 --> 01:04:45,320
Speaker 1: up here. Um, So it's it just depends, you know.

1310
01:04:45,400 --> 01:04:49,320
Speaker 1: I didn't see I never sat like over a feeder,

1311
01:04:49,320 --> 01:04:51,720
Speaker 1: but I sat a few places where I could see feeders,

1312
01:04:52,120 --> 01:04:55,040
Speaker 1: and it was like, I just I don't think that,

1313
01:04:56,200 --> 01:04:58,680
Speaker 1: you know, midsummer deer in Florida really want a car

1314
01:04:58,720 --> 01:05:02,360
Speaker 1: blow too hard. Don't think they're that drawn to corn.

1315
01:05:02,720 --> 01:05:04,600
Speaker 1: To be honest with you, I think it's just sort

1316
01:05:04,600 --> 01:05:07,000
Speaker 1: of a way of life, like in Texas, where you know,

1317
01:05:07,120 --> 01:05:09,840
Speaker 1: just that's just what they do. But I saw way

1318
01:05:09,840 --> 01:05:13,640
Speaker 1: more dear even greenery and kind of just browsing their

1319
01:05:13,680 --> 01:05:17,120
Speaker 1: way through than focusing on that stuff. And so and

1320
01:05:17,200 --> 01:05:19,480
Speaker 1: you know, the crazy thing was they were just starting

1321
01:05:19,480 --> 01:05:21,640
Speaker 1: to rut when we were there, and they rout in

1322
01:05:21,680 --> 01:05:25,280
Speaker 1: the summer, and so I suspect you could probably get

1323
01:05:25,520 --> 01:05:27,520
Speaker 1: if we would have been maybe a week later, ten

1324
01:05:27,600 --> 01:05:31,560
Speaker 1: days later, Um, it would have been pretty heavy chasing

1325
01:05:31,640 --> 01:05:33,760
Speaker 1: and you maybe could have called him in. And in fact,

1326
01:05:33,800 --> 01:05:36,840
Speaker 1: I did grant one buck in a little guy. I mean,

1327
01:05:36,920 --> 01:05:39,280
Speaker 1: he came right in on a string, So you know

1328
01:05:39,400 --> 01:05:40,920
Speaker 1: you can you can hunt him kind of like we

1329
01:05:41,000 --> 01:05:43,040
Speaker 1: hunt him up here and in the Midwest and out east.

1330
01:05:43,080 --> 01:05:47,959
Speaker 1: It's just such a different environment. Man, What is next

1331
01:05:48,000 --> 01:05:50,560
Speaker 1: for you then? Or is it going to be anelope, mule,

1332
01:05:50,640 --> 01:05:53,560
Speaker 1: dear white tail? Elk. I'm sure you're going to be

1333
01:05:53,880 --> 01:05:57,800
Speaker 1: someplace else hunting here within a few weeks, um. I've

1334
01:05:57,840 --> 01:06:01,760
Speaker 1: got I was just last weekend, was in Wisconsin setting

1335
01:06:01,800 --> 01:06:04,840
Speaker 1: up a bear bait site. I've got I drew a

1336
01:06:04,880 --> 01:06:07,240
Speaker 1: tag over in Wisconsin and doing a little do it

1337
01:06:07,320 --> 01:06:11,080
Speaker 1: yourself thing over there. So that will open on September five,

1338
01:06:11,640 --> 01:06:15,240
Speaker 1: and I'll I'll hunt bears and then I'm gonna wrap

1339
01:06:15,360 --> 01:06:19,480
Speaker 1: that up, hopefully by the ninth, and I'm gonna come

1340
01:06:19,480 --> 01:06:20,920
Speaker 1: home for a day and then I'm gonna go down

1341
01:06:20,920 --> 01:06:23,320
Speaker 1: to Nebraska and hunt on some white tails on some

1342
01:06:23,360 --> 01:06:26,120
Speaker 1: public land I've never been on. Those are the first

1343
01:06:26,120 --> 01:06:30,440
Speaker 1: two first two things I'm gonna do this year. Public

1344
01:06:30,480 --> 01:06:33,680
Speaker 1: land Nebraska that you've never been on. Walk me through

1345
01:06:33,840 --> 01:06:41,320
Speaker 1: how you go about planning that. So I saw this spot.

1346
01:06:41,960 --> 01:06:45,720
Speaker 1: I went down there Upland hunting with my dog two

1347
01:06:45,840 --> 01:06:48,840
Speaker 1: years ago, and my buddy and I go down We

1348
01:06:48,880 --> 01:06:50,560
Speaker 1: take our dogs in the late season and we just

1349
01:06:50,600 --> 01:06:52,880
Speaker 1: pick chunks of public and we go hunt, you know,

1350
01:06:52,960 --> 01:06:55,440
Speaker 1: pheasants or quail or prairie chickens, depending on where we

1351
01:06:55,440 --> 01:07:00,480
Speaker 1: are in the state. And he found this and he said, well,

1352
01:07:00,480 --> 01:07:02,200
Speaker 1: there's public land down the road here, let's go look

1353
01:07:02,240 --> 01:07:04,680
Speaker 1: at it. We got there and drove up to it

1354
01:07:05,120 --> 01:07:08,840
Speaker 1: and it was clearly not Upland type terrain. It was

1355
01:07:09,200 --> 01:07:12,760
Speaker 1: bluffs and it was along the river, and so we

1356
01:07:12,760 --> 01:07:14,520
Speaker 1: didn't hunt it, but I looked at it and I

1357
01:07:14,520 --> 01:07:16,880
Speaker 1: could see some trails coming down off a good deer

1358
01:07:16,880 --> 01:07:20,840
Speaker 1: trails and it was surrounded by some private agriculture, and

1359
01:07:20,840 --> 01:07:23,560
Speaker 1: so I kind of just filed it away. And so

1360
01:07:23,760 --> 01:07:27,080
Speaker 1: this year I had an elk hunt I was gonna

1361
01:07:27,080 --> 01:07:29,280
Speaker 1: go do in southern Colorado. They shut down the place

1362
01:07:29,320 --> 01:07:30,960
Speaker 1: I was going to go to because of the fires,

1363
01:07:31,000 --> 01:07:33,440
Speaker 1: and so I didn't know if I should try to

1364
01:07:33,600 --> 01:07:37,360
Speaker 1: restart elk planning, which is like real daunting, or if

1365
01:07:37,360 --> 01:07:39,040
Speaker 1: I should just say this just wasn't meant to be

1366
01:07:39,080 --> 01:07:41,920
Speaker 1: this year. And I finally decided I wouldn't go. And

1367
01:07:41,960 --> 01:07:43,920
Speaker 1: so I'm like, I'm gonna go hunt that place that

1368
01:07:43,960 --> 01:07:46,120
Speaker 1: we saw. And so I've been looking at that on

1369
01:07:46,240 --> 01:07:50,560
Speaker 1: aerial photos a lot, and you know, spending some serious

1370
01:07:50,560 --> 01:07:52,960
Speaker 1: time on on act and looking for some back you know,

1371
01:07:53,040 --> 01:07:56,920
Speaker 1: backup spots around there. But my plan, I'm I'm crossing

1372
01:07:56,960 --> 01:07:59,920
Speaker 1: my fingers that it's gonna be about degrees when I

1373
01:08:00,040 --> 01:08:02,560
Speaker 1: get there, because there's two ponds way in the back

1374
01:08:02,600 --> 01:08:06,080
Speaker 1: of this property, and I can see I can see

1375
01:08:06,080 --> 01:08:08,240
Speaker 1: trees that look like they definitely are big enough to

1376
01:08:08,280 --> 01:08:11,080
Speaker 1: put tree stands in on both of them. And so

1377
01:08:11,280 --> 01:08:15,120
Speaker 1: my first strategy isn't if it's normal to hot conditions.

1378
01:08:15,160 --> 01:08:17,519
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go hyke right back there, hanging stand and

1379
01:08:17,560 --> 01:08:20,240
Speaker 1: watch that water if it if that doesn't pan out,

1380
01:08:20,280 --> 01:08:23,040
Speaker 1: if it's rain he or whatever. I've got a few

1381
01:08:24,880 --> 01:08:26,760
Speaker 1: I don't know, I guess kind of drainages that lead

1382
01:08:26,800 --> 01:08:29,920
Speaker 1: down to private fields that look like they could be

1383
01:08:30,080 --> 01:08:32,080
Speaker 1: places you could catch them in the morning and the

1384
01:08:32,160 --> 01:08:35,240
Speaker 1: evening coming and going. And so if that's if my

1385
01:08:35,240 --> 01:08:37,960
Speaker 1: first spot doesn't work out, then I'm gonna be that

1386
01:08:37,960 --> 01:08:41,240
Speaker 1: that would be planned be on this place. There have

1387
01:08:41,280 --> 01:08:43,320
Speaker 1: been a few times, Tony where I've been talking to you,

1388
01:08:43,680 --> 01:08:45,920
Speaker 1: um about some hunts that you just did or that

1389
01:08:45,960 --> 01:08:49,400
Speaker 1: you're going to do, and you'll bring up how you

1390
01:08:49,479 --> 01:08:51,839
Speaker 1: found it while you were turkey hunting in the spring.

1391
01:08:52,400 --> 01:08:56,519
Speaker 1: How has um turkey hunting doing d I y trips

1392
01:08:57,160 --> 01:08:59,560
Speaker 1: every year changed things for you as a d I

1393
01:08:59,680 --> 01:09:03,439
Speaker 1: Y y tail gay she and ground man. It's the

1394
01:09:03,520 --> 01:09:05,719
Speaker 1: same thing with the you know, if I go into

1395
01:09:05,720 --> 01:09:09,040
Speaker 1: a place quail hunting, UM, I may find an amazing

1396
01:09:09,040 --> 01:09:11,559
Speaker 1: white tail spot, you know, I mean, just it's just

1397
01:09:11,680 --> 01:09:14,320
Speaker 1: covering ground. And one thing I like about turkey hunting

1398
01:09:14,439 --> 01:09:16,639
Speaker 1: it's it's different if you're bow hunting because you don't

1399
01:09:16,760 --> 01:09:19,080
Speaker 1: tend to cover as much ground as as running and

1400
01:09:19,120 --> 01:09:24,360
Speaker 1: gunning with a shotgun. But I use spring turkeys as scouting,

1401
01:09:24,840 --> 01:09:27,719
Speaker 1: you know what, retail scouting a lot, and I've started

1402
01:09:27,720 --> 01:09:30,680
Speaker 1: to use this upland hunt. This upland hunting is the

1403
01:09:30,720 --> 01:09:32,960
Speaker 1: same kind of thing where you know you're you're out

1404
01:09:32,960 --> 01:09:34,920
Speaker 1: there for a different purpose, but you always got your

1405
01:09:34,920 --> 01:09:38,080
Speaker 1: eye to deer sign and you know cool places to be,

1406
01:09:38,400 --> 01:09:40,800
Speaker 1: and so it's just it's just spending more time out there,

1407
01:09:40,880 --> 01:09:47,000
Speaker 1: you know what, what when you start out, so you said,

1408
01:09:47,000 --> 01:09:50,000
Speaker 1: you're in a head in there, hunt those ponds, see

1409
01:09:50,000 --> 01:09:52,320
Speaker 1: what's going on. If not, you're in hunt these drainages.

1410
01:09:53,000 --> 01:09:55,360
Speaker 1: In that kind of situation. You said, there's those drainages

1411
01:09:55,360 --> 01:09:58,160
Speaker 1: that are leading down to food, Like how how far away?

1412
01:09:58,240 --> 01:10:01,200
Speaker 1: Especially I'm always wondering about this too, especially this kind

1413
01:10:01,200 --> 01:10:03,040
Speaker 1: of like prairie states are kind of out there a

1414
01:10:03,040 --> 01:10:04,559
Speaker 1: little bits. I think it's a little bit different than

1415
01:10:04,600 --> 01:10:09,160
Speaker 1: the Midwest, where the distances between cover and food or

1416
01:10:09,160 --> 01:10:11,719
Speaker 1: how far deer are willing to travel maybe is different,

1417
01:10:12,040 --> 01:10:13,640
Speaker 1: do you get I mean, can you be pretty far

1418
01:10:13,680 --> 01:10:16,280
Speaker 1: away from that private land and still see movement across

1419
01:10:16,280 --> 01:10:20,160
Speaker 1: that public Yeah? Yeah, I mean it just it depends

1420
01:10:20,160 --> 01:10:22,320
Speaker 1: where you are and how how limited the food is

1421
01:10:22,800 --> 01:10:25,760
Speaker 1: this this place. There's a lot of food around there,

1422
01:10:25,760 --> 01:10:30,120
Speaker 1: it looks like so that that will kind of be uh,

1423
01:10:30,160 --> 01:10:31,680
Speaker 1: you know, I'll play it how I see it when

1424
01:10:31,720 --> 01:10:34,799
Speaker 1: I get in there. Um. That's that's one thing about

1425
01:10:34,880 --> 01:10:38,040
Speaker 1: the big wood stuff that we talked earlier. If I

1426
01:10:38,120 --> 01:10:41,960
Speaker 1: find the property that's got anything worthwhile for them to

1427
01:10:42,000 --> 01:10:44,719
Speaker 1: head to around there, those deer cover some serious ground.

1428
01:10:45,160 --> 01:10:47,640
Speaker 1: So it's just it's sort of a situational thing, you know.

1429
01:10:47,720 --> 01:10:49,559
Speaker 1: I mean, you can't. You can do a lot of

1430
01:10:49,560 --> 01:10:52,760
Speaker 1: work ahead of time on aerial photography, but until you

1431
01:10:52,800 --> 01:10:54,720
Speaker 1: get in there and watch and start walking around, it's

1432
01:10:54,720 --> 01:10:56,720
Speaker 1: just it's hard to know what's going on. But they'll

1433
01:10:56,760 --> 01:11:00,200
Speaker 1: they'll cover some grounds, Okay. Well, then before to go

1434
01:11:00,320 --> 01:11:03,040
Speaker 1: any further, we're and take our final break of the

1435
01:11:03,120 --> 01:11:06,600
Speaker 1: day for word from our partners at White Tailed Properties

1436
01:11:07,640 --> 01:11:10,799
Speaker 1: this week with White Tail Properties were druinned by Tom James,

1437
01:11:10,920 --> 01:11:13,880
Speaker 1: a land specialist out of Indiana, and Tom is going

1438
01:11:13,920 --> 01:11:16,400
Speaker 1: to be talking to us about what to consider when

1439
01:11:16,400 --> 01:11:20,760
Speaker 1: shopping for a property on the edge of suburbia. That's

1440
01:11:20,760 --> 01:11:24,320
Speaker 1: a great question. Living right outside the shadows of Indianapolis,

1441
01:11:24,320 --> 01:11:26,280
Speaker 1: I'm very familiar with that, and there are some really

1442
01:11:26,320 --> 01:11:30,320
Speaker 1: great hunting ground areas just outside of suburbia, but what

1443
01:11:30,360 --> 01:11:32,479
Speaker 1: you're dealing with a lot of times is being that

1444
01:11:32,560 --> 01:11:35,960
Speaker 1: close to town. Normally, those uh the prices for those

1445
01:11:35,960 --> 01:11:40,040
Speaker 1: properties are are labeled with a development or a residential

1446
01:11:40,040 --> 01:11:43,840
Speaker 1: development price, So a lot of times it's hard to

1447
01:11:43,880 --> 01:11:46,960
Speaker 1: find a competitive price that would be relative to something

1448
01:11:47,000 --> 01:11:49,960
Speaker 1: you were looking out for farther out into the into

1449
01:11:50,000 --> 01:11:53,000
Speaker 1: the more rural areas of the state. That being said,

1450
01:11:53,040 --> 01:11:56,200
Speaker 1: there can be some phenomenal deer hunting in those areas

1451
01:11:56,240 --> 01:11:58,000
Speaker 1: just outside of the country because a lot of those

1452
01:11:58,000 --> 01:12:01,640
Speaker 1: are sanctuary areas where no hunting is allowed, and oftentimes

1453
01:12:01,680 --> 01:12:04,840
Speaker 1: bucks grow to so old ages in those areas, knowing

1454
01:12:05,439 --> 01:12:08,800
Speaker 1: the community and knowing maybe how the perception for hunting is.

1455
01:12:08,920 --> 01:12:10,360
Speaker 1: One of the last things you want to do is

1456
01:12:10,439 --> 01:12:11,960
Speaker 1: spend a lot of money on a piece of property

1457
01:12:11,960 --> 01:12:14,400
Speaker 1: and you're gonna be harassed all the time by non hunters,

1458
01:12:14,520 --> 01:12:16,759
Speaker 1: or do you see with a deer leaving your property

1459
01:12:16,840 --> 01:12:19,640
Speaker 1: and you know, going off on the surrounding landos or

1460
01:12:19,920 --> 01:12:22,360
Speaker 1: landowners if you do happen to have a harvest. So

1461
01:12:22,600 --> 01:12:27,200
Speaker 1: considerations are cost access. The general mood of the hunting

1462
01:12:27,840 --> 01:12:30,479
Speaker 1: community around that, and and and making sure that you

1463
01:12:30,479 --> 01:12:33,680
Speaker 1: can get along with your neighbors and those areas. If

1464
01:12:33,720 --> 01:12:35,800
Speaker 1: you'd like to learn more and to see the properties

1465
01:12:35,840 --> 01:12:38,880
Speaker 1: that Tim currently has listed for sale, visit white tail

1466
01:12:38,960 --> 01:12:46,400
Speaker 1: properties dot com. Backslash James that's j A. M. E. S. Yeah. Yeah,

1467
01:12:46,880 --> 01:12:52,320
Speaker 1: So so keep keep movings to the schedule. Then what's next? Um,

1468
01:12:52,360 --> 01:12:57,800
Speaker 1: after Nebraska Minnesota will open, I'll be hunt in private here. Um,

1469
01:12:57,840 --> 01:13:04,160
Speaker 1: I think. And then you sell out? What Whenever I

1470
01:13:04,200 --> 01:13:06,479
Speaker 1: hear you're hunting private ground, I think you're a sellout.

1471
01:13:07,920 --> 01:13:10,599
Speaker 1: I'm taking the easy way out. I know. Next thing,

1472
01:13:10,640 --> 01:13:12,280
Speaker 1: you know, I'll be all on guided and I'll fit

1473
01:13:12,360 --> 01:13:17,040
Speaker 1: it on the slippery slope. I know it. That's my

1474
01:13:17,080 --> 01:13:21,839
Speaker 1: gateway drug. That farm in southeastern Minnesota, That's it's honestly

1475
01:13:21,920 --> 01:13:25,280
Speaker 1: my my guilty pleasure because I just love hunting it

1476
01:13:25,360 --> 01:13:27,200
Speaker 1: so much. I grew up hunting there and I just

1477
01:13:27,880 --> 01:13:29,320
Speaker 1: I just want to be there. It's one of my

1478
01:13:29,360 --> 01:13:31,360
Speaker 1: favorite places. You know, It's just a dairy farm. I

1479
01:13:31,360 --> 01:13:33,800
Speaker 1: have permission on, so I always you know, people always like,

1480
01:13:33,840 --> 01:13:35,640
Speaker 1: how can you don't hunt public in Minnesota more? And

1481
01:13:35,640 --> 01:13:37,479
Speaker 1: I'm like, I just don't want to I just want

1482
01:13:37,520 --> 01:13:41,360
Speaker 1: to go hunt this place, you know. But I'll do that,

1483
01:13:41,439 --> 01:13:47,240
Speaker 1: and then I'm gonna do um, South Dakota on the

1484
01:13:47,360 --> 01:13:51,080
Speaker 1: end of September at some point I'm not sure exactly when,

1485
01:13:51,120 --> 01:13:53,320
Speaker 1: twenty seventh or something, and I head out there and

1486
01:13:53,360 --> 01:13:57,360
Speaker 1: then I'll head to North Dakota and then I kind

1487
01:13:57,360 --> 01:13:59,599
Speaker 1: of left it open in the end of October beginning

1488
01:13:59,600 --> 01:14:01,200
Speaker 1: of Nova bur in case I need to go back

1489
01:14:01,200 --> 01:14:04,280
Speaker 1: to Nebraska or do something else. And then I've got

1490
01:14:04,280 --> 01:14:06,439
Speaker 1: eight days carved out to go hunt some new stuff

1491
01:14:06,439 --> 01:14:10,960
Speaker 1: in Oklahoma. Oh, I got a pretty pretty full schedule

1492
01:14:11,520 --> 01:14:14,960
Speaker 1: find up. Yeah, So the North Dakota and South Dakota

1493
01:14:14,960 --> 01:14:16,519
Speaker 1: those the same spots that you've been going in the

1494
01:14:16,640 --> 01:14:20,320
Speaker 1: states or is that new stuff? Um? The North Dakota

1495
01:14:20,320 --> 01:14:24,040
Speaker 1: will be the same stuff, same area. South Dakota. I

1496
01:14:24,120 --> 01:14:26,680
Speaker 1: got a few new places I'm looking at that are

1497
01:14:26,680 --> 01:14:30,519
Speaker 1: in the just general same area. Um, So I'm not

1498
01:14:30,600 --> 01:14:32,640
Speaker 1: I don't know how that will shake out that. You know,

1499
01:14:32,640 --> 01:14:34,879
Speaker 1: the Oklahoma stuff is brand new. I've never been anywhere

1500
01:14:34,920 --> 01:14:37,479
Speaker 1: near this this area that I'm going to, So that

1501
01:14:37,520 --> 01:14:39,720
Speaker 1: will be a fun one because it'll be you know,

1502
01:14:39,760 --> 01:14:43,720
Speaker 1: the ruts should be cranking and it's totally you know,

1503
01:14:43,800 --> 01:14:48,000
Speaker 1: foreign to me. So we'll see. So I then have

1504
01:14:48,120 --> 01:14:53,439
Speaker 1: to ask, what how do you plan to approach that? Then? Oh, well,

1505
01:14:55,120 --> 01:14:58,479
Speaker 1: this one, the spot that I got I've got picked

1506
01:14:58,479 --> 01:15:02,639
Speaker 1: out is I don't know. It's pushing on four thousand

1507
01:15:02,640 --> 01:15:07,200
Speaker 1: acres and most of it is timbered, which is kind

1508
01:15:07,240 --> 01:15:14,400
Speaker 1: of strange Oklahoma. Um, but I'm gonna end up. I'm

1509
01:15:14,720 --> 01:15:17,320
Speaker 1: looking for some water on there because they're gonna be chasing.

1510
01:15:18,040 --> 01:15:20,840
Speaker 1: I'm looking at some of the private stuff around there

1511
01:15:21,120 --> 01:15:23,800
Speaker 1: because there's some fields that they could be going to.

1512
01:15:24,479 --> 01:15:26,040
Speaker 1: But I think it's going to be more of a

1513
01:15:26,800 --> 01:15:30,160
Speaker 1: you know, kick a trail, start walking and hanging hunt. Um.

1514
01:15:30,320 --> 01:15:34,519
Speaker 1: It looks it looks like the Oklahoma version of Big Woods,

1515
01:15:34,600 --> 01:15:37,280
Speaker 1: and so I don't really know what to expect on there.

1516
01:15:36,960 --> 01:15:39,360
Speaker 1: The the other places I've hunted in Oklahoma have been

1517
01:15:39,360 --> 01:15:41,960
Speaker 1: way easier to figure out because of you know, what

1518
01:15:42,000 --> 01:15:44,080
Speaker 1: they had on them as far as public you know,

1519
01:15:44,120 --> 01:15:47,240
Speaker 1: it's easy to define water sources and food sources and stuff.

1520
01:15:47,280 --> 01:15:48,559
Speaker 1: And this one is going to be a little bit

1521
01:15:48,600 --> 01:15:51,920
Speaker 1: of a puzzle. I think, how much time do you

1522
01:15:51,960 --> 01:15:53,639
Speaker 1: have a lot of to figure in that puzzle? Out?

1523
01:15:55,280 --> 01:16:00,640
Speaker 1: About eight days? So we'll see the last Yeah, the

1524
01:16:00,720 --> 01:16:03,240
Speaker 1: last time I went to Oklahoma. You know, it's it's

1525
01:16:03,280 --> 01:16:06,120
Speaker 1: a it's a hall, but it's a fun state to hunt.

1526
01:16:06,160 --> 01:16:08,520
Speaker 1: They have a lot of deer, a lot of turkeys,

1527
01:16:08,560 --> 01:16:10,800
Speaker 1: and I don't know if we'll running to any pigs

1528
01:16:10,800 --> 01:16:13,080
Speaker 1: in this spot or not, but that's always a possibility.

1529
01:16:13,160 --> 01:16:15,040
Speaker 1: So it's it's fun to go to a place where

1530
01:16:15,040 --> 01:16:17,760
Speaker 1: you got buck tags and dough tags and a good

1531
01:16:17,800 --> 01:16:22,799
Speaker 1: population of critics. You know. Yeah. Earlier this year, Tony

1532
01:16:22,880 --> 01:16:25,960
Speaker 1: I wrote an article talking about the top three d

1533
01:16:26,160 --> 01:16:28,479
Speaker 1: I Y States, And I was just basing that off

1534
01:16:28,520 --> 01:16:33,720
Speaker 1: of like tag costs, season length, public land available, um,

1535
01:16:33,960 --> 01:16:37,960
Speaker 1: some general numbers you can find based on harvest statistics

1536
01:16:37,960 --> 01:16:40,600
Speaker 1: and amount of deer in the states and stuff, and

1537
01:16:40,920 --> 01:16:43,840
Speaker 1: what I came up with just from research on my

1538
01:16:43,880 --> 01:16:48,599
Speaker 1: computer with South Dakota, Ohio, and Nebraska. But you would

1539
01:16:48,600 --> 01:16:51,679
Speaker 1: be the actual authority on this subject. So what would

1540
01:16:51,720 --> 01:16:56,400
Speaker 1: you say would be your top three d I Y States? Well,

1541
01:16:56,520 --> 01:17:01,040
Speaker 1: for me personally, uh, you know, it's tough to beat

1542
01:17:01,080 --> 01:17:05,320
Speaker 1: the Dakota. It's real tough to beat in Nebraska. Um, Oklahoma,

1543
01:17:05,360 --> 01:17:07,679
Speaker 1: I don't I just don't have enough experience in Oklahoma.

1544
01:17:07,760 --> 01:17:10,720
Speaker 1: Is safe for sure, but it is a really cool state. Um.

1545
01:17:10,760 --> 01:17:12,400
Speaker 1: It just you know, it depends where you're at. You

1546
01:17:12,400 --> 01:17:15,200
Speaker 1: know when I say that, that doesn't do anybody in

1547
01:17:15,200 --> 01:17:18,600
Speaker 1: Pennsylvania a whole lot of good probably, And so you

1548
01:17:18,600 --> 01:17:20,479
Speaker 1: know you kind of pack your in. Well, how close

1549
01:17:20,520 --> 01:17:23,000
Speaker 1: are you to Kentucky? Out close a right? You to Ohio?

1550
01:17:23,479 --> 01:17:25,599
Speaker 1: You know, I mean, it just it depends where you're at.

1551
01:17:25,960 --> 01:17:29,360
Speaker 1: But personally for me, I'm I'm a real big fan

1552
01:17:29,439 --> 01:17:33,439
Speaker 1: of the Dakotas and Nebraska, and I've been looking really

1553
01:17:33,479 --> 01:17:37,720
Speaker 1: hard at northern Missouri. I just haven't haven't carved out

1554
01:17:37,760 --> 01:17:39,880
Speaker 1: any serious time to go spend some time on public

1555
01:17:39,920 --> 01:17:42,439
Speaker 1: down there. But there's just that's you know, the cool

1556
01:17:42,479 --> 01:17:44,679
Speaker 1: thing about it is, you know, it's fun to write

1557
01:17:44,680 --> 01:17:47,320
Speaker 1: those things, it's fun to talk about. But the cool

1558
01:17:47,360 --> 01:17:49,960
Speaker 1: thing is that we just have all this public hunt

1559
01:17:50,320 --> 01:17:52,160
Speaker 1: like even if it's you know, even if you're not

1560
01:17:52,160 --> 01:17:57,320
Speaker 1: gonna go kill booners, anywhere you're living, probably have the

1561
01:17:57,400 --> 01:17:59,920
Speaker 1: chance to go hunt public without too much of an

1562
01:18:00,000 --> 01:18:05,360
Speaker 1: astment of travel. And that's prettily. Yeah. Yeah, you mentioned

1563
01:18:05,400 --> 01:18:07,880
Speaker 1: a lot of the Great Plain states there, I think

1564
01:18:08,280 --> 01:18:11,400
Speaker 1: everyone one but Kansas. Uh, what about further east. What

1565
01:18:11,439 --> 01:18:15,040
Speaker 1: are some of your favorite states you know in the Ohio, Kentucky,

1566
01:18:15,080 --> 01:18:21,559
Speaker 1: West Virginia, Tennessee area. Well, I like Kentucky. Um, you know,

1567
01:18:21,560 --> 01:18:24,320
Speaker 1: I I don't because of where I live. It's just

1568
01:18:24,560 --> 01:18:26,439
Speaker 1: so much easier for me to go west and east.

1569
01:18:26,640 --> 01:18:28,400
Speaker 1: You know, I want to go where there's fewer people

1570
01:18:28,400 --> 01:18:30,720
Speaker 1: and not more. And so most of the time if

1571
01:18:30,760 --> 01:18:33,720
Speaker 1: I travel east to Hunt is to Wisconsin. Um, I

1572
01:18:33,840 --> 01:18:36,200
Speaker 1: just it doesn't make any sense for me if I

1573
01:18:36,240 --> 01:18:40,800
Speaker 1: can drive to Nebraska in seven hours to drive ten

1574
01:18:40,920 --> 01:18:43,280
Speaker 1: to go east somewhere, you know, I just it's just

1575
01:18:43,320 --> 01:18:45,800
Speaker 1: what I do. And you know, having twins six year

1576
01:18:45,800 --> 01:18:48,439
Speaker 1: olds at home, I need to pick places where I

1577
01:18:48,439 --> 01:18:51,519
Speaker 1: have the best chance to go tag out four days

1578
01:18:51,640 --> 01:18:53,559
Speaker 1: or five days or something like that. You know. I mean,

1579
01:18:53,600 --> 01:18:56,360
Speaker 1: if I had, if I had unlimited time and didn't

1580
01:18:56,400 --> 01:18:59,240
Speaker 1: have you know, daddy duty, I would probably go hunt

1581
01:18:59,520 --> 01:19:01,160
Speaker 1: a heck of a lot more states, and I would

1582
01:19:01,200 --> 01:19:04,120
Speaker 1: I would try them out more, you know. Okay, Spencer,

1583
01:19:04,400 --> 01:19:06,160
Speaker 1: you gotta put your ear muffs on because this is

1584
01:19:06,200 --> 01:19:10,360
Speaker 1: going to give you a headache. Um. But but Tony,

1585
01:19:10,400 --> 01:19:11,800
Speaker 1: this is something that you and me were kind of

1586
01:19:11,880 --> 01:19:15,519
Speaker 1: chatting about the other day, just offline, just this whole

1587
01:19:15,560 --> 01:19:17,960
Speaker 1: deal that I'm new to being a new dad, but

1588
01:19:18,040 --> 01:19:20,679
Speaker 1: you're in it for a little while. Now, how how

1589
01:19:20,720 --> 01:19:23,439
Speaker 1: does that factor into doing what you do? You know,

1590
01:19:23,680 --> 01:19:26,720
Speaker 1: I feel like i'm I'm I'm definitely struggling with this

1591
01:19:26,880 --> 01:19:28,840
Speaker 1: right now, just thinking through how can I make this

1592
01:19:28,920 --> 01:19:33,280
Speaker 1: hunting season as decent as possible for my wife and

1593
01:19:33,680 --> 01:19:36,839
Speaker 1: obligations with the family and everything. How do you balance

1594
01:19:36,880 --> 01:19:39,519
Speaker 1: all these hunting trips and everything with the responsibilities you've

1595
01:19:39,520 --> 01:19:45,760
Speaker 1: got back home. Uh, It's it's a tough one to

1596
01:19:45,760 --> 01:19:48,640
Speaker 1: figure out. Finding some equilibrium, especially in your case with

1597
01:19:48,720 --> 01:19:53,320
Speaker 1: a little one is tough. Um. That's one of the

1598
01:19:53,400 --> 01:19:56,320
Speaker 1: main drivers for me as far as hunting the states

1599
01:19:56,360 --> 01:19:59,080
Speaker 1: I do and doing as much research ahead of time

1600
01:19:59,120 --> 01:20:01,800
Speaker 1: as possible. You know, the more heavy lifting you can

1601
01:20:01,840 --> 01:20:03,880
Speaker 1: do from home and the less time you have to

1602
01:20:03,880 --> 01:20:06,559
Speaker 1: be away from home, the better. And so for me,

1603
01:20:07,320 --> 01:20:09,040
Speaker 1: you know, I didn't know, you know, when we had

1604
01:20:09,160 --> 01:20:11,240
Speaker 1: we had two kids at one time, I was like,

1605
01:20:11,720 --> 01:20:14,320
Speaker 1: I have no idea how much this is gonna cut

1606
01:20:14,360 --> 01:20:17,240
Speaker 1: down my time to go and be gone. But you knew,

1607
01:20:17,400 --> 01:20:19,160
Speaker 1: you know, like I knew it was going to be significant,

1608
01:20:19,640 --> 01:20:22,200
Speaker 1: But what it really did for me, was caused me

1609
01:20:22,240 --> 01:20:26,840
Speaker 1: the laser focus on, you know, doing things correctly, and

1610
01:20:26,920 --> 01:20:30,720
Speaker 1: so it actually hasn't cut down on my success at all.

1611
01:20:31,080 --> 01:20:34,800
Speaker 1: It's just forced me to work smarter. And you'll see

1612
01:20:34,840 --> 01:20:38,000
Speaker 1: that where not only do you just not you're you're

1613
01:20:38,040 --> 01:20:40,519
Speaker 1: just not gonna go be gone as much for a

1614
01:20:40,560 --> 01:20:42,559
Speaker 1: while when you got a little guy at home, but

1615
01:20:42,680 --> 01:20:45,040
Speaker 1: you're gonna want to be home as soon as you can.

1616
01:20:45,120 --> 01:20:46,600
Speaker 1: It's a weird thing, you know. You think about it

1617
01:20:46,640 --> 01:20:48,800
Speaker 1: and you're like, I can't wait to go to Montana

1618
01:20:48,880 --> 01:20:51,679
Speaker 1: or wherever. And you know, when you're there a couple

1619
01:20:51,680 --> 01:20:54,280
Speaker 1: of days, you're like, man, I miss my kids, you know,

1620
01:20:54,880 --> 01:20:58,280
Speaker 1: and you want to go home. So it's it's I

1621
01:20:58,400 --> 01:21:03,040
Speaker 1: can force you to really focus on the process and

1622
01:21:03,040 --> 01:21:06,320
Speaker 1: it just just try to be as efficient as possible.

1623
01:21:07,080 --> 01:21:09,240
Speaker 1: I feel like from from hearing you describe some of

1624
01:21:09,240 --> 01:21:11,880
Speaker 1: these past hunts, it sounds like, you know, I feel

1625
01:21:11,880 --> 01:21:13,800
Speaker 1: like maybe a lot of people tend to think like

1626
01:21:14,160 --> 01:21:16,160
Speaker 1: one of these odd state hunts us like seven days

1627
01:21:16,280 --> 01:21:18,040
Speaker 1: or ten days, you need a bunch of time. But

1628
01:21:18,640 --> 01:21:20,599
Speaker 1: it sounds to me that a lot of your trips

1629
01:21:20,600 --> 01:21:22,439
Speaker 1: are like four day hunts or five day hunts, you're

1630
01:21:22,479 --> 01:21:24,920
Speaker 1: a little bit tighter on those timeframes, is that right?

1631
01:21:24,960 --> 01:21:27,879
Speaker 1: And then number two like, do you do anything differently

1632
01:21:27,920 --> 01:21:30,280
Speaker 1: because of that? Then you might if you had that

1633
01:21:30,439 --> 01:21:34,320
Speaker 1: full long stretch that some people do. Yeah, I I

1634
01:21:34,439 --> 01:21:37,479
Speaker 1: usually only give myself four or five days. Five days

1635
01:21:37,560 --> 01:21:39,800
Speaker 1: is a pretty long one for white tails. You know,

1636
01:21:39,840 --> 01:21:41,920
Speaker 1: if I'm going out hunting or something, that's different, of course,

1637
01:21:42,400 --> 01:21:46,920
Speaker 1: but you know, you don't you don't want to waste

1638
01:21:46,920 --> 01:21:49,840
Speaker 1: to sit. So if you if you go for four days,

1639
01:21:49,880 --> 01:21:51,400
Speaker 1: let's say you got one day to scout and hang

1640
01:21:51,479 --> 01:21:54,400
Speaker 1: stands and four days to hunt, you have eight sits. Basically,

1641
01:21:54,520 --> 01:21:56,519
Speaker 1: unless you're you know, rout hunting hares sit all day

1642
01:21:56,600 --> 01:21:59,760
Speaker 1: or whatever. But generally speaking, morning evening, morning evening, you know,

1643
01:22:00,479 --> 01:22:03,759
Speaker 1: and if you miss one of those, or you screw

1644
01:22:03,840 --> 01:22:05,519
Speaker 1: one of them up, or you sit someplace where the

1645
01:22:05,520 --> 01:22:09,479
Speaker 1: wind sucks or something and you you lose one, it

1646
01:22:10,000 --> 01:22:13,000
Speaker 1: stinks you lose two. You know, there's a quarter of

1647
01:22:13,040 --> 01:22:16,439
Speaker 1: your time gone, and so you just try to make

1648
01:22:17,479 --> 01:22:20,800
Speaker 1: good decisions and it's you know this this probably sounds weird,

1649
01:22:20,840 --> 01:22:23,080
Speaker 1: but this is one of the reasons why I'm like

1650
01:22:23,280 --> 01:22:26,240
Speaker 1: really into working out in the last five years, because

1651
01:22:26,680 --> 01:22:28,280
Speaker 1: when I show up and I have one day to

1652
01:22:28,320 --> 01:22:31,880
Speaker 1: hang stands or scout. Like I sometimes you gotta go

1653
01:22:32,000 --> 01:22:35,400
Speaker 1: dark to dark and get this a ton of work done.

1654
01:22:35,760 --> 01:22:38,599
Speaker 1: So you have those chances. So you have that morning spot,

1655
01:22:38,640 --> 01:22:41,120
Speaker 1: and you have this one for the wind that direction

1656
01:22:41,200 --> 01:22:43,920
Speaker 1: and another one for the wind, and you you just

1657
01:22:45,120 --> 01:22:49,519
Speaker 1: make the most of it. You know. Is there anything

1658
01:22:49,560 --> 01:22:52,840
Speaker 1: else that you're doing. Yeah, I've got my assumptions based

1659
01:22:52,840 --> 01:22:54,840
Speaker 1: on some of the things you've already mentioned, but from

1660
01:22:54,840 --> 01:22:58,800
Speaker 1: an efficiency standpoint, anything else you're doing before the hunt

1661
01:22:59,479 --> 01:23:02,240
Speaker 1: to make sure that that four or five days is

1662
01:23:02,360 --> 01:23:05,479
Speaker 1: as seamless as smooth as possible. I don't know if

1663
01:23:05,520 --> 01:23:08,040
Speaker 1: there's any other kind of digital work you're doing, or

1664
01:23:08,240 --> 01:23:10,800
Speaker 1: I mean, I know you've talked about East scout, and

1665
01:23:10,800 --> 01:23:13,679
Speaker 1: you've talked about backup plans, anything more you can elaborate

1666
01:23:13,680 --> 01:23:18,960
Speaker 1: on that just for these efficient quick hunts, Yeah, planning

1667
01:23:19,000 --> 01:23:22,240
Speaker 1: them out correctly. I mean, So what what I mean

1668
01:23:22,280 --> 01:23:24,120
Speaker 1: by that? Not only you know it's like the scouting

1669
01:23:24,160 --> 01:23:27,280
Speaker 1: of course, um, but the gear that I'm using, the

1670
01:23:29,120 --> 01:23:33,679
Speaker 1: camping equipment I'm using, the places I'm camping in relation

1671
01:23:33,720 --> 01:23:37,160
Speaker 1: to where I'm hunting. Um, all of those things I

1672
01:23:37,240 --> 01:23:42,439
Speaker 1: factor in because it's just you know, if it's easy

1673
01:23:42,520 --> 01:23:44,320
Speaker 1: to set up all these little roadblocks that you don't

1674
01:23:44,360 --> 01:23:46,720
Speaker 1: see coming. And this this is why it's hard for

1675
01:23:46,720 --> 01:23:48,240
Speaker 1: people to do this that don't do it as much

1676
01:23:48,280 --> 01:23:50,360
Speaker 1: as I do, because they go and they're like, oh,

1677
01:23:50,400 --> 01:23:52,559
Speaker 1: sleeping in the tense not that much fun, or you know,

1678
01:23:52,600 --> 01:23:56,200
Speaker 1: my my cock or my sleeping pads. No, it's no good.

1679
01:23:56,200 --> 01:23:58,440
Speaker 1: I'm not getting any sleep and it's a miserable experience.

1680
01:23:59,000 --> 01:24:02,519
Speaker 1: The more stuff that you can take care of like that,

1681
01:24:02,680 --> 01:24:05,160
Speaker 1: so you're comfortable, so you're eating better, you know, not

1682
01:24:05,200 --> 01:24:08,720
Speaker 1: eating just junk food all the time. Um, you just

1683
01:24:08,800 --> 01:24:11,439
Speaker 1: feel better, getting better sleep, all of that stuff matters.

1684
01:24:11,479 --> 01:24:15,160
Speaker 1: You will hunt way better if you're you know, if

1685
01:24:15,160 --> 01:24:18,439
Speaker 1: you're physically happy, you know, and it's it's not it's

1686
01:24:18,439 --> 01:24:20,439
Speaker 1: a strange thing to talk about. We kind of talked

1687
01:24:20,439 --> 01:24:22,240
Speaker 1: about it in the elk world a lot in the

1688
01:24:22,240 --> 01:24:26,800
Speaker 1: western back country stuff. But you know, if you're not

1689
01:24:26,840 --> 01:24:29,160
Speaker 1: in very good shape and you're gonna go try to

1690
01:24:29,200 --> 01:24:31,280
Speaker 1: hang a bunch of stands and hike, you know, seven

1691
01:24:31,280 --> 01:24:35,360
Speaker 1: miles in the breaks andth Dakota's probably not gonna happen.

1692
01:24:35,720 --> 01:24:38,400
Speaker 1: So you're gonna end up not having as many setups,

1693
01:24:38,400 --> 01:24:40,719
Speaker 1: not feeling as good, maybe not sleeping as well because

1694
01:24:40,720 --> 01:24:43,080
Speaker 1: you're sore, maybe not as driven to go do it.

1695
01:24:43,400 --> 01:24:47,800
Speaker 1: So all of it ties together. There's a lot, there's

1696
01:24:47,800 --> 01:24:50,000
Speaker 1: a lot to it. Yeah, that's a that's a really

1697
01:24:50,000 --> 01:24:52,280
Speaker 1: good point. So so now I'm gonna ask you a

1698
01:24:52,320 --> 01:24:56,120
Speaker 1: three part question, which is tackling those three things you

1699
01:24:56,200 --> 01:24:58,519
Speaker 1: just mentioned, but explaining to me exactly what you do.

1700
01:24:58,640 --> 01:25:02,280
Speaker 1: So from a fitness standpoint, what are you doing specifically

1701
01:25:02,360 --> 01:25:04,880
Speaker 1: to make sure you're to make sure your physical fitness

1702
01:25:04,960 --> 01:25:07,759
Speaker 1: isn't keeping you from having success from a white tail stamp?

1703
01:25:07,760 --> 01:25:09,240
Speaker 1: And I guess that we'll just go one time. So

1704
01:25:09,280 --> 01:25:12,880
Speaker 1: what are you doing that from? So the best thing

1705
01:25:12,920 --> 01:25:16,240
Speaker 1: I did was give up drinking five years ago for

1706
01:25:16,240 --> 01:25:18,400
Speaker 1: for a lot of reasons. That was a good, good

1707
01:25:18,439 --> 01:25:23,040
Speaker 1: idea for a person like me. But I I divide

1708
01:25:23,040 --> 01:25:25,720
Speaker 1: my time up between running and lift and weight uh

1709
01:25:25,880 --> 01:25:30,360
Speaker 1: I do. I try to do about eight workouts a week,

1710
01:25:30,680 --> 01:25:32,720
Speaker 1: so either you know, try to do it. You know,

1711
01:25:33,000 --> 01:25:35,719
Speaker 1: run four times, lift four times at least during the week,

1712
01:25:36,080 --> 01:25:39,759
Speaker 1: and that might only be forty five minutes of session

1713
01:25:39,840 --> 01:25:41,920
Speaker 1: or an hour of session, but I try to do

1714
01:25:41,960 --> 01:25:46,479
Speaker 1: that just to maintain and get the cardio in, get

1715
01:25:46,520 --> 01:25:48,680
Speaker 1: some get some core works and weight work in. So

1716
01:25:48,840 --> 01:25:53,240
Speaker 1: you're I just feel so much better tying stands and

1717
01:25:53,280 --> 01:25:55,920
Speaker 1: carrying stuff into the woods and dragon deer out. And

1718
01:25:55,960 --> 01:25:59,439
Speaker 1: it's it's you know, it's a process like anything else.

1719
01:25:59,520 --> 01:26:02,599
Speaker 1: You know, we want we want shortcuts to everything, right,

1720
01:26:02,640 --> 01:26:04,840
Speaker 1: you know what I mean. They're gonna sell you grunt

1721
01:26:04,840 --> 01:26:06,559
Speaker 1: tubes and all kinds of stuff to promise the deer

1722
01:26:06,600 --> 01:26:09,160
Speaker 1: comes into you, but they don't really work that well

1723
01:26:09,240 --> 01:26:11,320
Speaker 1: most of the time. It's the same thing with fitness.

1724
01:26:12,040 --> 01:26:13,720
Speaker 1: You know, like there's no way to do it other

1725
01:26:13,720 --> 01:26:15,479
Speaker 1: than just commit yourself and make it a way of

1726
01:26:15,520 --> 01:26:19,280
Speaker 1: your life. But if you do, you know, you're hunting

1727
01:26:19,320 --> 01:26:21,559
Speaker 1: will be a lot You'll you'll enjoy it a lot more.

1728
01:26:22,160 --> 01:26:25,719
Speaker 1: And so I'm just I'm just kind of locked into

1729
01:26:25,760 --> 01:26:28,680
Speaker 1: that phase right now where I know how much you know,

1730
01:26:28,840 --> 01:26:30,760
Speaker 1: and it's not just hunting. I mean a lot of

1731
01:26:30,760 --> 01:26:32,559
Speaker 1: people say they get in shape for l hunting, but

1732
01:26:32,880 --> 01:26:36,320
Speaker 1: you're really getting in shape for your entire life to

1733
01:26:36,360 --> 01:26:39,559
Speaker 1: be better. And you know, the one of the great

1734
01:26:39,560 --> 01:26:41,320
Speaker 1: benefits is, yeah, you can climb them out and better.

1735
01:26:41,400 --> 01:26:44,320
Speaker 1: You can carry a quarter of an outcout. But in

1736
01:26:44,360 --> 01:26:46,240
Speaker 1: a white shill world, we don't really focus on that

1737
01:26:46,240 --> 01:26:48,720
Speaker 1: that much. And it is a huge part if you're

1738
01:26:48,720 --> 01:26:51,320
Speaker 1: gonna do the kind of hunting that I do a lot,

1739
01:26:51,640 --> 01:26:53,639
Speaker 1: if you're not in very good shape, it's really hard

1740
01:26:54,080 --> 01:26:58,680
Speaker 1: and it's it's it ties into everything. Yeah, yeah, especially

1741
01:26:58,960 --> 01:27:00,840
Speaker 1: this public claim kind of stuff where you really need

1742
01:27:00,880 --> 01:27:02,960
Speaker 1: to get in there after stuff you're hiking around a lot,

1743
01:27:03,000 --> 01:27:06,760
Speaker 1: carrying and sticking stands. I mean that that helps. Just

1744
01:27:07,640 --> 01:27:09,920
Speaker 1: it seems to me like I don't I don't think

1745
01:27:10,000 --> 01:27:11,559
Speaker 1: a bunch of white tail hunters we don't need to

1746
01:27:11,560 --> 01:27:14,320
Speaker 1: all be Cameron Haynes. But I think if you can

1747
01:27:14,360 --> 01:27:17,160
Speaker 1: have some reasonable level of fitness so that at least

1748
01:27:17,200 --> 01:27:19,559
Speaker 1: your body isn't bringing you down. So that's not the reason.

1749
01:27:19,640 --> 01:27:21,559
Speaker 1: You know, as we talked about a lot, there's so

1750
01:27:21,600 --> 01:27:24,280
Speaker 1: many variables in a deer hunt. There's so many things

1751
01:27:24,320 --> 01:27:25,840
Speaker 1: that can go wrong. There's so many things that you

1752
01:27:25,880 --> 01:27:29,559
Speaker 1: can't control. That something is in your control, as your

1753
01:27:29,600 --> 01:27:32,240
Speaker 1: body and your physical fitness, that's something you can, you know,

1754
01:27:32,840 --> 01:27:35,320
Speaker 1: have some say over. So why not try to control

1755
01:27:35,360 --> 01:27:37,519
Speaker 1: that variable and and at least make sure that that's

1756
01:27:37,520 --> 01:27:42,280
Speaker 1: not bringing it down. So I've agree. Next one, you

1757
01:27:42,360 --> 01:27:46,040
Speaker 1: talked about camping, Choosing where you're gonna camp, what kind

1758
01:27:46,040 --> 01:27:48,480
Speaker 1: of gear you're gonna have. Do you have any recommendations

1759
01:27:48,479 --> 01:27:51,360
Speaker 1: as far as you're sleeping, set up your camping, set

1760
01:27:51,439 --> 01:27:52,920
Speaker 1: up all that kind of stuff to make sure that's

1761
01:27:52,960 --> 01:27:55,040
Speaker 1: smooth and as comfortable as it can be or as

1762
01:27:55,040 --> 01:28:02,360
Speaker 1: functional as possible. Yeah, go go luxury anyway you can. So.

1763
01:28:03,560 --> 01:28:07,280
Speaker 1: I used to stay in a little tiny tent. It

1764
01:28:07,280 --> 01:28:09,760
Speaker 1: would be me and a buddy usually, and you know,

1765
01:28:09,800 --> 01:28:12,360
Speaker 1: we're stepping over each other. You can't stand up in it,

1766
01:28:12,920 --> 01:28:15,200
Speaker 1: and it's just not very much fun. I'm to the

1767
01:28:15,240 --> 01:28:17,400
Speaker 1: point now if I can get away with it, because

1768
01:28:17,439 --> 01:28:18,880
Speaker 1: I can drive my truck up to a lot of

1769
01:28:18,920 --> 01:28:22,240
Speaker 1: places I camp. I use a I use like a

1770
01:28:22,280 --> 01:28:26,599
Speaker 1: pretty heavy duty six person dome tent, and I use

1771
01:28:26,680 --> 01:28:29,160
Speaker 1: that for myself and I can set up a little

1772
01:28:29,160 --> 01:28:32,080
Speaker 1: coffee making making station in there. I can drive some

1773
01:28:32,120 --> 01:28:34,479
Speaker 1: clothes out, I can stand up fully. I'm you know,

1774
01:28:34,479 --> 01:28:36,799
Speaker 1: I'm six too. I like to be in the morning,

1775
01:28:37,000 --> 01:28:39,840
Speaker 1: not be stooped over getting my clothes on, and just

1776
01:28:41,280 --> 01:28:44,439
Speaker 1: use a good cut a good sleeping pad, a good

1777
01:28:44,439 --> 01:28:49,479
Speaker 1: sleeping bag, all of that stuff. It just makes things

1778
01:28:49,520 --> 01:28:51,519
Speaker 1: so much nicer. I mean, I think about, I gotta

1779
01:28:51,640 --> 01:28:54,680
Speaker 1: I gotta pretty sweet system down for camp and now

1780
01:28:54,680 --> 01:28:56,960
Speaker 1: where I can sleep and I feel comfortable. But I

1781
01:28:57,000 --> 01:28:59,120
Speaker 1: think about how many years I hunted where I was

1782
01:28:59,160 --> 01:29:04,320
Speaker 1: in know, just really low quality stuff and just didn't

1783
01:29:04,920 --> 01:29:07,360
Speaker 1: I didn't appreciate what I could do for myself by

1784
01:29:07,479 --> 01:29:09,439
Speaker 1: just getting a little bit better stuff, you know. And

1785
01:29:09,439 --> 01:29:11,559
Speaker 1: and then I'm reminded of that when I go out

1786
01:29:11,640 --> 01:29:14,600
Speaker 1: hunting and I'm in a little tiny tent, sleeping on

1787
01:29:14,680 --> 01:29:16,519
Speaker 1: sleeping pat on the ground, and I'm like, oh, this

1788
01:29:16,600 --> 01:29:18,840
Speaker 1: is horrible, you know. I mean, it's a fun experience,

1789
01:29:18,880 --> 01:29:20,880
Speaker 1: but when you're used to kind of the cushion, you know,

1790
01:29:21,240 --> 01:29:24,479
Speaker 1: Kardashian style camping, and then you go to then you

1791
01:29:24,520 --> 01:29:26,280
Speaker 1: go to that ELK set up, You're like, oh, now

1792
01:29:26,320 --> 01:29:30,880
Speaker 1: I remember. But yeah, at the very least, you know,

1793
01:29:31,160 --> 01:29:33,000
Speaker 1: I realized not everybody's gonna go out buy a six

1794
01:29:33,040 --> 01:29:37,400
Speaker 1: man tent and all this this stuff. A cot with

1795
01:29:37,479 --> 01:29:41,360
Speaker 1: a good thick foam sleeping pad is a great start

1796
01:29:41,880 --> 01:29:44,439
Speaker 1: that takes you a long way started having a good

1797
01:29:44,520 --> 01:29:48,800
Speaker 1: night's sleep. Any specific brand or model or anything like

1798
01:29:48,840 --> 01:29:52,640
Speaker 1: that or other favorite gear, um, I'm using right now,

1799
01:29:52,640 --> 01:29:55,880
Speaker 1: I'm using Cabella's stuff. Um, you know, I'm sure there's

1800
01:29:56,040 --> 01:29:57,600
Speaker 1: way better stuff than I'm using. But I have a

1801
01:29:57,680 --> 01:30:00,880
Speaker 1: nice Cabella's cot and I have a I don't know

1802
01:30:00,920 --> 01:30:02,880
Speaker 1: what the model name of it is, but it's a

1803
01:30:02,960 --> 01:30:05,800
Speaker 1: it's a foam pad, is three inches thick, and they

1804
01:30:05,840 --> 01:30:08,040
Speaker 1: make it. I don't know what it costs. I can't remember,

1805
01:30:08,080 --> 01:30:12,080
Speaker 1: but it's so much better than any kind of blow

1806
01:30:12,200 --> 01:30:14,439
Speaker 1: up path I've ever used or anything. It is. It

1807
01:30:14,600 --> 01:30:19,000
Speaker 1: is for camping. It's really comfortable. I can definitely a

1808
01:30:19,080 --> 01:30:20,920
Speaker 1: test to the how important that kind of stuff is

1809
01:30:20,920 --> 01:30:23,799
Speaker 1: because it goes right back to your physical not your fitness,

1810
01:30:23,800 --> 01:30:26,200
Speaker 1: but just your physical comfort. If you're miserable and you

1811
01:30:26,280 --> 01:30:29,400
Speaker 1: can't sleep, it becomes just so much easier to take

1812
01:30:29,439 --> 01:30:33,360
Speaker 1: shortcuts during the hunt, or to lose your focus during

1813
01:30:33,360 --> 01:30:36,720
Speaker 1: the hunt, or whatever might be making mistakes. It all

1814
01:30:36,800 --> 01:30:39,559
Speaker 1: kind of ties back to that state of mind, state

1815
01:30:39,600 --> 01:30:44,479
Speaker 1: of your body, which well, yeah, when you if you're

1816
01:30:44,600 --> 01:30:47,599
Speaker 1: if you're not sleeping, well, you just will not hunt

1817
01:30:47,720 --> 01:30:51,679
Speaker 1: very well. And it's so tempting to sleep in it's

1818
01:30:51,720 --> 01:30:54,160
Speaker 1: so tempting to talk to yourself into I just need

1819
01:30:54,200 --> 01:30:57,960
Speaker 1: a good good night sleep, and you know if you're

1820
01:30:58,040 --> 01:31:01,080
Speaker 1: if you're running on eight hunts or ten hunts for

1821
01:31:01,080 --> 01:31:03,519
Speaker 1: an entire trip, and you this is your one one

1822
01:31:03,560 --> 01:31:06,400
Speaker 1: shot to go do something cool. Missing the missing the

1823
01:31:06,479 --> 01:31:10,599
Speaker 1: morning is it's just not an option. Yeah, so it's okay.

1824
01:31:10,640 --> 01:31:12,400
Speaker 1: That brings me to a question. This is something that

1825
01:31:12,479 --> 01:31:16,080
Speaker 1: I have have debated with myself many times, and you

1826
01:31:16,200 --> 01:31:17,920
Speaker 1: just kind of answered it for me. But I guess

1827
01:31:17,920 --> 01:31:20,320
Speaker 1: I'll put it out there again and see if this

1828
01:31:20,360 --> 01:31:22,559
Speaker 1: is what you mean. So I always used to be

1829
01:31:22,600 --> 01:31:25,200
Speaker 1: of the mind, like like talking maybe like the rut

1830
01:31:25,720 --> 01:31:28,080
Speaker 1: two weeks the first two weeks in November, usually hunt

1831
01:31:28,120 --> 01:31:30,439
Speaker 1: every day all day and I'm getting out too my

1832
01:31:30,479 --> 01:31:32,400
Speaker 1: tree stand like an hour and a half before daylight,

1833
01:31:32,439 --> 01:31:35,320
Speaker 1: and I'm sitting the entire day. I get back home

1834
01:31:35,479 --> 01:31:36,800
Speaker 1: or get back to camp, or get back to the

1835
01:31:36,880 --> 01:31:38,640
Speaker 1: hotel or whatever is I'm doing, and I've got a

1836
01:31:38,680 --> 01:31:41,040
Speaker 1: couple of hours to work, and then I fall asleep,

1837
01:31:41,120 --> 01:31:43,160
Speaker 1: and then you're up four hours later and you're doing

1838
01:31:43,160 --> 01:31:45,479
Speaker 1: it all over again. And so I do that, and

1839
01:31:45,800 --> 01:31:48,320
Speaker 1: as you know, anyone knows, that is just a crazy

1840
01:31:48,400 --> 01:31:51,960
Speaker 1: physical grind, like it definitely wears down on you. So

1841
01:31:52,800 --> 01:31:56,559
Speaker 1: that's what I do usually But then, like last year,

1842
01:31:56,640 --> 01:32:00,840
Speaker 1: I started thinking, am I actually lee? What what's the

1843
01:32:00,880 --> 01:32:03,760
Speaker 1: better scenario is grinding it out and being out there

1844
01:32:03,840 --> 01:32:06,320
Speaker 1: the whole time, the whole trip, every morning, super early.

1845
01:32:06,800 --> 01:32:10,240
Speaker 1: But maybe being at a deteriorated mental state or physical

1846
01:32:10,240 --> 01:32:13,000
Speaker 1: states you're focus maybe isn't cred on point by day

1847
01:32:13,000 --> 01:32:16,640
Speaker 1: seven you're not feeling good, or you're falling asleep in

1848
01:32:16,680 --> 01:32:19,160
Speaker 1: the tree, or because you're not focused, you look at

1849
01:32:19,160 --> 01:32:21,000
Speaker 1: your phone and a big buck passes by that you

1850
01:32:21,040 --> 01:32:23,519
Speaker 1: could have got a shop. So is that a risk

1851
01:32:23,640 --> 01:32:25,240
Speaker 1: to doing it that way or which? So would it

1852
01:32:25,280 --> 01:32:26,800
Speaker 1: be better to say, Okay, you know what, I'm going

1853
01:32:26,880 --> 01:32:29,720
Speaker 1: to give myself one sleep in mourning because then I

1854
01:32:29,760 --> 01:32:33,320
Speaker 1: know that my quality of attention and focus and all

1855
01:32:33,320 --> 01:32:36,960
Speaker 1: those things will be so much better for the rest

1856
01:32:37,040 --> 01:32:41,000
Speaker 1: of it. Um. I battled these two ideas in my head.

1857
01:32:41,920 --> 01:32:45,080
Speaker 1: What are your thoughts? So here's the litmus test for that.

1858
01:32:45,840 --> 01:32:49,960
Speaker 1: Are you still having fun? Right? Is the deteriorated state

1859
01:32:50,000 --> 01:32:52,160
Speaker 1: you're in where you're super tired and the works piling

1860
01:32:52,240 --> 01:32:54,559
Speaker 1: up and your wife's kind of mad at you? Is

1861
01:32:54,640 --> 01:32:58,400
Speaker 1: that to the point where it's it's you know, leaching

1862
01:32:58,479 --> 01:33:00,639
Speaker 1: some of the enjoyment out of it, because that's the case,

1863
01:33:00,680 --> 01:33:04,040
Speaker 1: sleep in or take a day off. If you know,

1864
01:33:04,080 --> 01:33:07,000
Speaker 1: if you're having awesome sits and you know a hundred

1865
01:33:07,040 --> 01:33:09,200
Speaker 1: million people aren't contacting you for work all the time

1866
01:33:09,240 --> 01:33:11,200
Speaker 1: and it's fun and your wife's like, go get him, buddy,

1867
01:33:11,640 --> 01:33:14,519
Speaker 1: then if you're in the right mental state, keep going.

1868
01:33:14,920 --> 01:33:18,920
Speaker 1: But you know, that's that's a great it's a great

1869
01:33:19,000 --> 01:33:22,800
Speaker 1: question because we always look at this from the perspective

1870
01:33:22,800 --> 01:33:25,280
Speaker 1: of what's what's my route from here to a big

1871
01:33:25,320 --> 01:33:29,639
Speaker 1: bucker from here to success? But really, I mean, we

1872
01:33:29,640 --> 01:33:31,719
Speaker 1: we forget so easily that we're supposed to be out there.

1873
01:33:31,479 --> 01:33:34,080
Speaker 1: We're out there because we enjoy it. It's supposed to

1874
01:33:34,120 --> 01:33:36,919
Speaker 1: be fun. And if you're out there and you're super

1875
01:33:36,960 --> 01:33:39,320
Speaker 1: tired and you're sick awaking up and it's not that

1876
01:33:39,439 --> 01:33:42,639
Speaker 1: much fun, then it's probably time to just show out

1877
01:33:42,720 --> 01:33:45,639
Speaker 1: for a second, you know, enjoy it, and get back

1878
01:33:45,640 --> 01:33:48,160
Speaker 1: out there when you're refreshed and you're and you and

1879
01:33:48,240 --> 01:33:51,080
Speaker 1: you can enjoy it. Because the worst thing that you

1880
01:33:51,120 --> 01:33:55,000
Speaker 1: can do with something like this is just you know,

1881
01:33:55,600 --> 01:33:57,800
Speaker 1: drive it right into the ditch because you're just you're

1882
01:33:57,840 --> 01:34:01,360
Speaker 1: so driven to succeed when really, I mean, we're just

1883
01:34:01,439 --> 01:34:04,519
Speaker 1: hunting rabbits with antlers. Man, Like, we're just we're out there,

1884
01:34:04,680 --> 01:34:07,080
Speaker 1: super lucky to live in this country and have the

1885
01:34:07,080 --> 01:34:12,240
Speaker 1: opportunities we have. And two, you know, people have gotten

1886
01:34:12,240 --> 01:34:16,240
Speaker 1: divorced over this to to to to go to that level.

1887
01:34:16,800 --> 01:34:19,840
Speaker 1: It's not fun anymore. So if it's if you're sitting there,

1888
01:34:19,880 --> 01:34:22,240
Speaker 1: and that's the same thing with whatever dear you want

1889
01:34:22,240 --> 01:34:24,479
Speaker 1: to shoot. You know, if you're if you're locked into

1890
01:34:24,360 --> 01:34:26,680
Speaker 1: two bucks and it's not fun to hunt because you're

1891
01:34:26,720 --> 01:34:29,799
Speaker 1: never gonna see one, then you're doing it wrong. Find something,

1892
01:34:30,040 --> 01:34:32,439
Speaker 1: you know, find find what deer is gonna make you happy,

1893
01:34:32,439 --> 01:34:34,080
Speaker 1: and shoot that sucker. You know, I talked about that

1894
01:34:34,120 --> 01:34:36,920
Speaker 1: all the time, but I just I believe it in

1895
01:34:36,960 --> 01:34:39,800
Speaker 1: my heart hearts. Man. Yeah, no, it's a it's a

1896
01:34:39,840 --> 01:34:42,840
Speaker 1: good point. It's something that every year I need to

1897
01:34:42,880 --> 01:34:46,000
Speaker 1: have like a mini self intervention. Even though I know

1898
01:34:46,080 --> 01:34:48,760
Speaker 1: this stuff and like I go into the season knowing it,

1899
01:34:49,120 --> 01:34:52,960
Speaker 1: I because I am so achievement focused, goal focused, so

1900
01:34:53,040 --> 01:34:56,200
Speaker 1: like determined when it comes to the actual hunt that

1901
01:34:56,360 --> 01:34:59,560
Speaker 1: every year, without without fail, I find some point in

1902
01:34:59,560 --> 01:35:02,040
Speaker 1: the season where I'm just I'm losing the fun out

1903
01:35:02,080 --> 01:35:04,200
Speaker 1: of it. I'm just so focused or so frustrated or

1904
01:35:04,240 --> 01:35:06,720
Speaker 1: so tired or whatever. I'm at least to the point

1905
01:35:06,760 --> 01:35:08,840
Speaker 1: now where I can recognize it, and I know when

1906
01:35:08,920 --> 01:35:10,960
Speaker 1: to like kind of slap myself and say, hey, man,

1907
01:35:11,400 --> 01:35:13,479
Speaker 1: chill out. Remember this is supposed to be fun. Get

1908
01:35:13,479 --> 01:35:15,519
Speaker 1: back to the basics. And usually that's that's about the

1909
01:35:15,520 --> 01:35:17,280
Speaker 1: time when I decided to do what I just said,

1910
01:35:17,640 --> 01:35:19,280
Speaker 1: I'll take a morning off, or I'll take a day

1911
01:35:19,320 --> 01:35:21,280
Speaker 1: off and like take the wife out for dinner or

1912
01:35:21,280 --> 01:35:24,000
Speaker 1: do something like that, just kind of reset. And then

1913
01:35:24,080 --> 01:35:28,760
Speaker 1: it's amazing how just that little reset it change is

1914
01:35:28,800 --> 01:35:30,800
Speaker 1: not just the actual quality of your hunts after that,

1915
01:35:30,800 --> 01:35:33,200
Speaker 1: but your mindset, your enjoyment. Even just that little bit

1916
01:35:33,280 --> 01:35:35,160
Speaker 1: can really flip things. And you get that when you

1917
01:35:35,160 --> 01:35:37,680
Speaker 1: get that renewed excitement all of a sudden, versus like that,

1918
01:35:37,760 --> 01:35:40,479
Speaker 1: oh gosh, I can't I can't imagine waking up again

1919
01:35:40,520 --> 01:35:43,040
Speaker 1: in the morning, or those moments like when the alarm

1920
01:35:43,080 --> 01:35:44,599
Speaker 1: clock goes off in the morning and you've got one

1921
01:35:44,600 --> 01:35:46,479
Speaker 1: of two feelings. Either one of it's like oh god no,

1922
01:35:47,000 --> 01:35:48,880
Speaker 1: or the other one's like all right, I'm ready. That

1923
01:35:50,000 --> 01:35:52,280
Speaker 1: just a little intervention can make a big difference there.

1924
01:35:52,320 --> 01:35:55,479
Speaker 1: So well, and what you're what you're talking about is

1925
01:35:55,520 --> 01:35:58,080
Speaker 1: just the you know, getting your head right, and that

1926
01:35:58,160 --> 01:36:01,599
Speaker 1: matters a lot when you're doing something challenging as bow

1927
01:36:01,640 --> 01:36:04,760
Speaker 1: hunting white tails. If you don't, if you're head not

1928
01:36:04,840 --> 01:36:07,479
Speaker 1: in the game for some reason, physical, mental, what's going

1929
01:36:07,520 --> 01:36:09,800
Speaker 1: on at home, what's going on at work, You're not

1930
01:36:09,880 --> 01:36:11,880
Speaker 1: gonna hunt the way you want to, and it's gonna snowball.

1931
01:36:12,160 --> 01:36:14,840
Speaker 1: So you're what you're saying there, taking some time off

1932
01:36:14,840 --> 01:36:17,360
Speaker 1: and having a little intervention. I'm the same way man.

1933
01:36:17,479 --> 01:36:20,439
Speaker 1: Usually Usually it's kind of you know, brought on me

1934
01:36:20,479 --> 01:36:23,880
Speaker 1: by my wife. We will be like, you know, maybe

1935
01:36:23,960 --> 01:36:26,360
Speaker 1: maybe it's time. Let's let's take the kids to go

1936
01:36:26,439 --> 01:36:28,559
Speaker 1: minigolfing or something tonight. Let's get out of a tree

1937
01:36:28,560 --> 01:36:31,719
Speaker 1: and just have some fun. And you're right, it's just like, Okay,

1938
01:36:31,720 --> 01:36:37,599
Speaker 1: I reset. I'm back mentally where I need to be. Yeah. Yeah,

1939
01:36:37,760 --> 01:36:39,840
Speaker 1: I think every year I'm seeing that becoming more and

1940
01:36:39,880 --> 01:36:42,920
Speaker 1: more important to make sure I take that time to

1941
01:36:43,040 --> 01:36:45,200
Speaker 1: just to just reset at least once a season or

1942
01:36:45,200 --> 01:36:47,160
Speaker 1: once during the run. I kind of need that, and

1943
01:36:47,200 --> 01:36:49,439
Speaker 1: I think especially now with a with a child, I

1944
01:36:49,439 --> 01:36:51,840
Speaker 1: feel like that's gonna probably be more important than ever

1945
01:36:52,400 --> 01:36:55,040
Speaker 1: so maybe that that is one of those times, like, Okay,

1946
01:36:55,479 --> 01:36:57,639
Speaker 1: if there happens to be that day where this fifty

1947
01:36:58,200 --> 01:37:02,240
Speaker 1: winds or where they there's ninety degree temperatures and November

1948
01:37:02,960 --> 01:37:04,840
Speaker 1: kind of no, Okay, you know what, I probably do

1949
01:37:04,920 --> 01:37:07,600
Speaker 1: need me one little one afternoon or one morning or

1950
01:37:07,680 --> 01:37:10,479
Speaker 1: one something where I'm gonna need this little reset. If

1951
01:37:10,520 --> 01:37:13,000
Speaker 1: you have to take a reset day or reset afternoon,

1952
01:37:13,560 --> 01:37:16,839
Speaker 1: try to time it so coincides with the worst potential conditions,

1953
01:37:16,840 --> 01:37:18,560
Speaker 1: even though yeah, it still could be good if you

1954
01:37:18,600 --> 01:37:20,400
Speaker 1: have to take a break, maybe it's a good way

1955
01:37:20,400 --> 01:37:23,280
Speaker 1: to line it up. Take advantage of slightly lower odds

1956
01:37:23,360 --> 01:37:29,320
Speaker 1: days or evenings and line those things up. Yep, absolutely, Spencer,

1957
01:37:29,360 --> 01:37:31,200
Speaker 1: give any thoughts on this now that you're a newly

1958
01:37:31,240 --> 01:37:33,679
Speaker 1: married man and you've got several kids on the way

1959
01:37:33,720 --> 01:37:38,759
Speaker 1: soon and all that. Uh, at this point, I still

1960
01:37:38,880 --> 01:37:42,599
Speaker 1: largely function like a bachelor when it comes to hunting,

1961
01:37:44,000 --> 01:37:47,080
Speaker 1: all right, that's right. We've been together for like eight

1962
01:37:47,160 --> 01:37:52,519
Speaker 1: years and I've been always a hardcore hunter, so she

1963
01:37:52,600 --> 01:37:55,800
Speaker 1: knows the deal right now. But I'm sure once kids come,

1964
01:37:55,880 --> 01:37:58,920
Speaker 1: like a decade from now, that will change. Can relate

1965
01:37:58,960 --> 01:38:03,400
Speaker 1: to this, how old is she? I am? Twenty six,

1966
01:38:03,479 --> 01:38:09,200
Speaker 1: she's twenty four. Okay, Well enjoy the next four or

1967
01:38:09,320 --> 01:38:14,640
Speaker 1: five years and hunt hunt your butt off, because this,

1968
01:38:14,640 --> 01:38:17,200
Speaker 1: this young mentality that you have is going to come

1969
01:38:17,240 --> 01:38:20,800
Speaker 1: to a screeching halt when she decides that it's time

1970
01:38:20,840 --> 01:38:24,639
Speaker 1: to make some babies. Your life's gonna change. Yeah, man,

1971
01:38:24,680 --> 01:38:27,240
Speaker 1: it all deteriorates once you hit thirty. I mean, my

1972
01:38:27,320 --> 01:38:30,799
Speaker 1: body's falling apart, your mind's falling apart. It's all downhill.

1973
01:38:30,960 --> 01:38:33,720
Speaker 1: So yeah, soak it in while you got it. Yeah,

1974
01:38:34,000 --> 01:38:38,320
Speaker 1: enjoy it. Oh man? Um, you know the final thing

1975
01:38:38,360 --> 01:38:41,719
Speaker 1: I was really curious about, back to the camping physical fitness,

1976
01:38:41,720 --> 01:38:44,320
Speaker 1: like these outside factors real quick? Is there anything from

1977
01:38:44,360 --> 01:38:46,840
Speaker 1: like an eating standpoint? I mean, I I know for me,

1978
01:38:47,200 --> 01:38:49,599
Speaker 1: I used to like on our rut vacations or something,

1979
01:38:49,600 --> 01:38:52,080
Speaker 1: me and my buddies we'd get like Wendy's every night

1980
01:38:52,160 --> 01:38:54,400
Speaker 1: or pizza every night, and we eat like donuts in

1981
01:38:54,439 --> 01:38:56,519
Speaker 1: the morning. And the last couple of years, I've kind

1982
01:38:56,520 --> 01:39:00,040
Speaker 1: of realized that that's not working for me. Um, you

1983
01:39:00,080 --> 01:39:02,240
Speaker 1: have anything on the eating standpoint that helps you be

1984
01:39:02,360 --> 01:39:07,680
Speaker 1: more effective for these huns? Yeah, I I am like

1985
01:39:07,760 --> 01:39:10,880
Speaker 1: a junk food addict, Like I can't I've never had

1986
01:39:10,920 --> 01:39:13,360
Speaker 1: moderation to anything in my life, Like I have to

1987
01:39:13,400 --> 01:39:17,519
Speaker 1: be super careful. And so what I do is I

1988
01:39:17,880 --> 01:39:21,880
Speaker 1: prep one big meal for dinner every night that I'm

1989
01:39:21,880 --> 01:39:27,759
Speaker 1: going to be in camp. And it's always you know, venison, asparagus, pepper,

1990
01:39:28,080 --> 01:39:31,400
Speaker 1: some kind of you know, vegetable venison mix, and then

1991
01:39:31,479 --> 01:39:33,640
Speaker 1: some rice, you know, instant rice I'll throw in there

1992
01:39:33,680 --> 01:39:37,080
Speaker 1: or whatever. So I have one good meal a day

1993
01:39:37,120 --> 01:39:41,160
Speaker 1: that isn't like many chocolate doughnuts and just horrible you know,

1994
01:39:41,240 --> 01:39:46,759
Speaker 1: empty carbs. And that seems to sort of center things

1995
01:39:46,760 --> 01:39:49,280
Speaker 1: a little bit where you're like, Okay, I know this

1996
01:39:49,360 --> 01:39:51,080
Speaker 1: is what I'm eating tonight. It's gonna be really good.

1997
01:39:51,080 --> 01:39:53,439
Speaker 1: It's good for me. It sort of carries over into

1998
01:39:53,479 --> 01:39:56,920
Speaker 1: the morning, and it keeps me, like you said, you know,

1999
01:39:56,960 --> 01:39:58,880
Speaker 1: from going and eating fast food all the time, or

2000
01:39:59,000 --> 01:40:03,519
Speaker 1: you know, whatever the worst options are. So I I do.

2001
01:40:03,960 --> 01:40:08,599
Speaker 1: I discipline myself for one meal a day, and it's

2002
01:40:08,720 --> 01:40:11,800
Speaker 1: it's usually the biggest meal obviously, but I have to

2003
01:40:11,840 --> 01:40:13,800
Speaker 1: prep it ahead of time. Otherwise I won't do it,

2004
01:40:14,000 --> 01:40:16,400
Speaker 1: you know, if I just you know, if if I

2005
01:40:16,439 --> 01:40:18,320
Speaker 1: don't make it really easy just to dump it right

2006
01:40:18,320 --> 01:40:20,080
Speaker 1: into a soft apan and cook it up, then I

2007
01:40:20,120 --> 01:40:23,120
Speaker 1: won't do it. Yeah, I'm exactly the same way I

2008
01:40:23,160 --> 01:40:25,439
Speaker 1: started two years ago, doing the exact same thing, having

2009
01:40:25,439 --> 01:40:28,360
Speaker 1: those pre prepared meals, and it comes out. I feel

2010
01:40:28,360 --> 01:40:32,120
Speaker 1: like so many things as like a serious white tail hunter.

2011
01:40:32,200 --> 01:40:35,200
Speaker 1: It's you need to find ways to by planning ahead

2012
01:40:35,200 --> 01:40:39,000
Speaker 1: of time, make things easy that normally would maybe would

2013
01:40:39,000 --> 01:40:41,040
Speaker 1: be inconvenient. Like there's things you know you should do,

2014
01:40:41,120 --> 01:40:44,520
Speaker 1: but if they're inconvenient or hard, you have the possibility

2015
01:40:44,520 --> 01:40:47,800
Speaker 1: of you know, cutting corners, not doing it quite the

2016
01:40:47,880 --> 01:40:50,040
Speaker 1: right way. But if you can ahead of time, plan

2017
01:40:50,120 --> 01:40:53,479
Speaker 1: ways to make it easier, simpler, done ahead of time,

2018
01:40:53,560 --> 01:40:56,880
Speaker 1: whether that's cooking meals or whether that's your planning for

2019
01:40:56,920 --> 01:41:00,240
Speaker 1: a hunt, or whether that's prepping your gear, and anything

2020
01:41:00,280 --> 01:41:01,880
Speaker 1: you can do ahead of time to make it easier,

2021
01:41:01,920 --> 01:41:06,160
Speaker 1: more convenient, smoother. It seems like that extra work ahead

2022
01:41:06,200 --> 01:41:09,240
Speaker 1: of time you can just pay off dividends across the

2023
01:41:09,240 --> 01:41:11,080
Speaker 1: board for all these kinds of things we're talking about.

2024
01:41:12,360 --> 01:41:15,880
Speaker 1: Oh it does, it's it's you know, it's Spencer doesn't

2025
01:41:15,880 --> 01:41:19,639
Speaker 1: notice yet because he's just a little pop but older, older,

2026
01:41:19,760 --> 01:41:24,120
Speaker 1: wiser man, we know that that's the key to enjoying

2027
01:41:24,360 --> 01:41:27,519
Speaker 1: anything is, you know, getting your getting your act together

2028
01:41:27,520 --> 01:41:29,880
Speaker 1: ahead of time and putting in some work ahead of time.

2029
01:41:30,280 --> 01:41:33,160
Speaker 1: It makes it makes the whole process so much better. Yeah.

2030
01:41:33,200 --> 01:41:35,360
Speaker 1: And I'm so glad that Dan couldn't make it today

2031
01:41:35,360 --> 01:41:37,280
Speaker 1: and that Spencer's on here, because I feel like we're

2032
01:41:37,360 --> 01:41:40,519
Speaker 1: changing We're changing your life right now. Spencer. I think

2033
01:41:40,560 --> 01:41:42,840
Speaker 1: if you, I hope you're taking notes because this is

2034
01:41:42,880 --> 01:41:47,439
Speaker 1: really gonna impact the trajectory of your next twenty thirty years. Yeah,

2035
01:41:47,479 --> 01:41:52,080
Speaker 1: I would have just turned this part of the podcast off. Yeah,

2036
01:41:52,200 --> 01:41:54,880
Speaker 1: we are really doing you a big favor here, Spencer.

2037
01:41:55,400 --> 01:41:58,280
Speaker 1: So so if this isn't interesting to you at all, Spencer,

2038
01:41:58,360 --> 01:42:00,519
Speaker 1: do you have any final things that are of interest,

2039
01:42:00,560 --> 01:42:04,840
Speaker 1: any any last questions for for Tony or anything. One

2040
01:42:04,840 --> 01:42:07,519
Speaker 1: thing I haven't heard you talk about is trying to

2041
01:42:07,560 --> 01:42:11,280
Speaker 1: get private access. And so when you're traveling out of

2042
01:42:11,320 --> 01:42:13,679
Speaker 1: state and you're you know, going there to hunt public

2043
01:42:14,160 --> 01:42:17,240
Speaker 1: do you ever find yourself knocking on doors or you know,

2044
01:42:17,439 --> 01:42:20,120
Speaker 1: scouting private land or do you find that to be

2045
01:42:20,160 --> 01:42:22,759
Speaker 1: fool's gold and you know, just not worth your time,

2046
01:42:22,800 --> 01:42:27,400
Speaker 1: It's it's lost time. Maybe. Yeah, I I used to

2047
01:42:27,479 --> 01:42:30,240
Speaker 1: knock on some doors a long time ago, and it

2048
01:42:30,360 --> 01:42:33,000
Speaker 1: just never was really worth it. And so I found

2049
01:42:33,520 --> 01:42:35,880
Speaker 1: if I just focus on the public and figuring out

2050
01:42:35,920 --> 01:42:39,160
Speaker 1: some random chunk of public land somewhere, I'm just better off.

2051
01:42:39,680 --> 01:42:41,840
Speaker 1: And you know, I'm not saying if I were, you know,

2052
01:42:42,000 --> 01:42:44,200
Speaker 1: in camp somewhere and a farmer drove up and said, hey,

2053
01:42:44,240 --> 01:42:46,120
Speaker 1: I got a thousand acres down the road, you can go,

2054
01:42:46,280 --> 01:42:48,280
Speaker 1: and I'm not saying I wouldn't do it. I don't

2055
01:42:48,280 --> 01:42:51,679
Speaker 1: seek it out anymore. I seek it out in Minnesota still.

2056
01:42:51,720 --> 01:42:53,400
Speaker 1: Like if I'm talking to somebody and they mentioned they

2057
01:42:53,439 --> 01:42:56,240
Speaker 1: own some woods or something, I'll investigate that for sure.

2058
01:42:56,640 --> 01:43:01,120
Speaker 1: But if I'm traveling just about anywhere, I'm I'm to

2059
01:43:01,160 --> 01:43:02,920
Speaker 1: the point now where I'm just focusing on the public.

2060
01:43:02,960 --> 01:43:06,000
Speaker 1: It's just easier. And you know, I know, you know,

2061
01:43:06,080 --> 01:43:08,439
Speaker 1: maybe if you're mining for more opportunities out there, you

2062
01:43:08,439 --> 01:43:11,040
Speaker 1: can find some cool stuff. But I just I'm digging

2063
01:43:11,040 --> 01:43:14,360
Speaker 1: this process of hunting public and it's just it's what

2064
01:43:14,439 --> 01:43:17,479
Speaker 1: I'm focused on, you know, So that's kind of I

2065
01:43:17,520 --> 01:43:21,200
Speaker 1: don't I don't I don't actively seek those opportunities. On

2066
01:43:21,320 --> 01:43:24,680
Speaker 1: that same note, do you sometimes find public ground that

2067
01:43:24,760 --> 01:43:27,599
Speaker 1: looks too good and like has a ton of hunters

2068
01:43:27,640 --> 01:43:30,240
Speaker 1: there where maybe you need to look for something that

2069
01:43:30,840 --> 01:43:34,680
Speaker 1: you know isn't manicured for white tails, or you know,

2070
01:43:34,800 --> 01:43:37,560
Speaker 1: something like that maybe has cattle on it and is

2071
01:43:37,600 --> 01:43:42,639
Speaker 1: a less than ideal property. Oh yeah, I I anything

2072
01:43:42,680 --> 01:43:44,920
Speaker 1: that it doesn't to me, It doesn't really matter how

2073
01:43:44,960 --> 01:43:46,800
Speaker 1: it looks. It matters how easy it is to get to.

2074
01:43:47,400 --> 01:43:49,880
Speaker 1: If something's easy to access, there's gonna be hunters in

2075
01:43:49,920 --> 01:43:51,960
Speaker 1: there most of the time. You know. If it's easy

2076
01:43:52,000 --> 01:43:54,040
Speaker 1: to access and it looks like amazing white tail property,

2077
01:43:54,200 --> 01:43:56,559
Speaker 1: it would be covered in people. So I'm just looking

2078
01:43:56,600 --> 01:44:01,839
Speaker 1: for harder to access areas. They don't have to look amazing,

2079
01:44:01,960 --> 01:44:04,840
Speaker 1: they don't have to. I I just want places that

2080
01:44:04,880 --> 01:44:08,240
Speaker 1: people don't want to go. Yeah, yeah, it brings to

2081
01:44:08,280 --> 01:44:11,479
Speaker 1: mind for me. Um. You know, sometimes they'll be public

2082
01:44:11,560 --> 01:44:14,200
Speaker 1: land parcels where they the state or the county or

2083
01:44:14,200 --> 01:44:17,760
Speaker 1: whatever might be has planted crops or food plots or

2084
01:44:17,760 --> 01:44:20,000
Speaker 1: something where they lease out some ground to farmers. And

2085
01:44:20,040 --> 01:44:21,720
Speaker 1: so I feel like that's one of those things that

2086
01:44:21,760 --> 01:44:23,840
Speaker 1: you see it and you're like, oh wow, food plots

2087
01:44:23,840 --> 01:44:26,639
Speaker 1: on public land. That's awesome. But it's kind of like

2088
01:44:26,800 --> 01:44:30,599
Speaker 1: this ringing belt. Every other hunter too, just draws them

2089
01:44:30,600 --> 01:44:32,320
Speaker 1: all in. And I feel like that's a perfect example

2090
01:44:32,360 --> 01:44:34,760
Speaker 1: something that looks great but probably actually because it looks

2091
01:44:34,760 --> 01:44:39,360
Speaker 1: so great, ends up making it not so great. Oh yeah,

2092
01:44:39,600 --> 01:44:41,920
Speaker 1: I've seen that a lot. But at the same time,

2093
01:44:41,960 --> 01:44:45,200
Speaker 1: I've scouted some public land own in Iowa that looks

2094
01:44:45,240 --> 01:44:48,040
Speaker 1: as dreamy as anything you're gonna see down there anywhere.

2095
01:44:48,640 --> 01:44:51,040
Speaker 1: And I can't say this for certain because I haven't

2096
01:44:51,080 --> 01:44:54,880
Speaker 1: haunted it yet, but just from the investigation I've done

2097
01:44:54,880 --> 01:44:59,000
Speaker 1: in the scouting, I think that there's some exceptions to

2098
01:44:59,080 --> 01:45:02,880
Speaker 1: that rule. Generally speaking, I don't like a state planet

2099
01:45:02,920 --> 01:45:05,800
Speaker 1: food potter, the easy, you know, the the no brain

2100
01:45:05,920 --> 01:45:08,280
Speaker 1: or food source that everybody can see from the road.

2101
01:45:08,360 --> 01:45:11,120
Speaker 1: That's that's not my style. But I think if you

2102
01:45:11,200 --> 01:45:14,360
Speaker 1: get into a certain area with maybe limited access or

2103
01:45:14,439 --> 01:45:18,000
Speaker 1: limited tags, you can find that place that looks too

2104
01:45:18,000 --> 01:45:19,960
Speaker 1: good to be true, but it's awesome and you're not

2105
01:45:19,960 --> 01:45:22,800
Speaker 1: gonna be overrun with people. Yeah, I gotta find those

2106
01:45:22,880 --> 01:45:29,360
Speaker 1: hidden gems. Yeah. Well, I um as always have enjoyed

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Speaker 1: this one, Tony. I'm excited. You know, just a couple

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Speaker 1: week and a half from now, I'm going to kick

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Speaker 1: off my own public land hunt out there and we'll

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Speaker 1: probably be doing a lot of things you're talking about,

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Speaker 1: So I appreciate you doing your share and getting me

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Speaker 1: pumped up and giving me a few more ideas as

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01:45:46,400 --> 01:45:49,880
Speaker 1: you always do. But before we go anything, I know

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Speaker 1: you've got a few cool projects in the works right

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Speaker 1: now that anything you want to mention like that. Yeah, man,

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01:45:56,560 --> 01:45:58,720
Speaker 1: we have a we have a pretty cool thing going

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Speaker 1: on for North American White Hill where Laden forced the

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01:46:01,680 --> 01:46:04,639
Speaker 1: associate publisher there. He's a he's a good old boy

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Speaker 1: from Missouri who loves to bow hunt. He and I

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Speaker 1: kind of came up with this this project called Project

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Speaker 1: Public where we're chronicling our fall through North American White

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01:46:14,400 --> 01:46:18,280
Speaker 1: Tails Instagram page with the hashtag project public, and so

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01:46:18,360 --> 01:46:21,720
Speaker 1: we're just showing scouting and the process and when we

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Speaker 1: get into hunting here, we'll be showing you know, the

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Speaker 1: setting up camp, hopefully some butcher stuff, all kinds of

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Speaker 1: just just the little details, and there'll be some other

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01:46:32,000 --> 01:46:34,320
Speaker 1: aspects to it. But you know, if anybody wants to

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Speaker 1: fall on and see how we're doing almost in real time,

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Speaker 1: that's going to be how to do it. It's it

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Speaker 1: should be pretty cool. Um. The other thing that I

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Speaker 1: have going on I was hoping to have it finished

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Speaker 1: for this podcast, and I think I'm I'm about nine

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Speaker 1: point seven percent of the way there. But I've got

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Speaker 1: a bow Hunting public Land White Tailed book coming out

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01:46:52,840 --> 01:46:54,280
Speaker 1: and I've just ran into a little bit of a

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01:46:54,280 --> 01:46:57,759
Speaker 1: design issue. But it's it's super close to being released.

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Speaker 1: It will be released way before most of these white

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Speaker 1: tail seasons open up. And I just I wrote it

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Speaker 1: partially I kept doing something hard. People kept asking me

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Speaker 1: if I had like a comprehensive uh, you know, right

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01:47:10,720 --> 01:47:12,519
Speaker 1: up with my strategy that people would ask me for

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Speaker 1: the book, and I'm like, you know, I've written quite

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Speaker 1: a few books and never done this one, and I thought, well,

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01:47:17,040 --> 01:47:20,679
Speaker 1: I should do this. And so that's gonna hit really

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Speaker 1: really soon. They'll be able to get that off of

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Speaker 1: Amazon here, probably within a couple of days. I'm pretty

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Speaker 1: excited about that. Yeah, And I can say I've I've

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Speaker 1: got to preview at least a draft of it, and

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01:47:34,000 --> 01:47:36,639
Speaker 1: there's some there's some definitely good stuff in there. So

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Speaker 1: if people want to find that on Amazon, what's the

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01:47:39,080 --> 01:47:41,920
Speaker 1: title again, they need to search for it'll be bow

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01:47:41,960 --> 01:47:45,400
Speaker 1: Hunting public Land White Tails perfect. They'll be able to

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Speaker 1: find it on my my page. I've got another another

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01:47:49,640 --> 01:47:52,160
Speaker 1: book on there, and then I've got another novel coming

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01:47:52,160 --> 01:47:55,080
Speaker 1: out here shortly too, but that one, you know, this crowd,

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01:47:55,120 --> 01:47:57,320
Speaker 1: the interest should be in that book, and it's it's

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Speaker 1: pretty comprehensive, and it's it's not h it's different than

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Speaker 1: a lot of the magazine work that I do and

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Speaker 1: those those kind of titles because it's it's my own

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01:48:07,600 --> 01:48:10,000
Speaker 1: so I kind of got to say what I what

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01:48:10,120 --> 01:48:14,280
Speaker 1: I fully think about everything. So you should buckle and

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Speaker 1: prepare for some of my opinions if you if you

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Speaker 1: pick it up, and I hope you do, because it's

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Speaker 1: it's it covers this process pretty heavily. So it was,

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Speaker 1: it was it was a fun one to write. It's

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Speaker 1: been a nightmare to to edit and finalize, but writing

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Speaker 1: it was a lot of fun. So yeah, that's awesome. Well,

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Speaker 1: I know a lot of people are gonna find that

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Speaker 1: to be a helpful tool, just like just like all

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Speaker 1: these conversations. So Tony, I just want to say thank you,

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Speaker 1: and um man, I hope we can talk here. I'm

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01:48:41,520 --> 01:48:44,320
Speaker 1: sure Spencer's gonna loop you in for some radio episodes

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01:48:44,400 --> 01:48:47,880
Speaker 1: if you're up for giving us updates. Throughout the season. Um,

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Speaker 1: so we'll be able to follow along and I'll be

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Speaker 1: following um the project project public or public project project

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01:48:54,479 --> 01:48:57,920
Speaker 1: Project project public. All right, we'll be falling along there.

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Speaker 1: And Man, I hope you have a great season. Well,

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Speaker 1: I appreciate it. Mark, I hope you guys have a

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Speaker 1: good season two. And you know, maybe we'll chat this

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01:49:05,600 --> 01:49:08,320
Speaker 1: this coming spring or something and hash out how we

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01:49:08,479 --> 01:49:10,840
Speaker 1: how we did and see see where we ended up.

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Speaker 1: I'm hoping. Uh there's gonna be a lot of success

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Speaker 1: stories in that in that conversation, So thank you. That'll

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Speaker 1: be good. Yeah, And Spencer, you can feel free to

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01:49:21,280 --> 01:49:23,839
Speaker 1: tune out that because I'm sure we'll talk about balancing

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Speaker 1: our families and I know how that all that is

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Speaker 1: for you. So all right, Well, thank you, Tony, Spencer.

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Speaker 1: Anything final from you, No, I am looking forward to

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Speaker 1: the book. When we did our recap of radio back

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01:49:38,560 --> 01:49:41,880
Speaker 1: in January, head Tony on and I introduced him by

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01:49:41,880 --> 01:49:44,200
Speaker 1: saying he's one of the best white tail hunters. I

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01:49:44,200 --> 01:49:47,120
Speaker 1: know what I mean that. Uh, so covering this subject

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Speaker 1: from Tony, I'm excited to see what he has. Well,

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01:49:50,520 --> 01:49:54,360
Speaker 1: thank you, man, I appreciate that, agreed, all right, well,

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01:49:54,439 --> 01:49:58,000
Speaker 1: let's shut this one down and that's gonna do it.

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01:49:58,240 --> 01:50:02,160
Speaker 1: So my only updates for you are the usual rating

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01:50:02,280 --> 01:50:07,880
Speaker 1: or reviews on iTunes. Please follow us on Instagram, Facebook, YouTube,

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01:50:08,040 --> 01:50:11,640
Speaker 1: or Twitter. It's all under Wired to Hunt. Subscribe to

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Speaker 1: the podcast, subscribe to the YouTube channel, and you might

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Speaker 1: be having hunting season kicking off next weekend if you're

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Speaker 1: in South Dakota or Montana, or Kentucky or North Dakota

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Speaker 1: or a handful of other states. And if that's the case,

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01:50:28,240 --> 01:50:31,240
Speaker 1: this last week of preparation, it's it's it's so important.

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01:50:31,320 --> 01:50:34,280
Speaker 1: Make sure you check every piece of equipment, make sure

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01:50:34,280 --> 01:50:36,280
Speaker 1: you have a list of everything you need to have packed.

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01:50:36,320 --> 01:50:38,360
Speaker 1: I can't tell you how many times I've forgotten something

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Speaker 1: important on the first time of the year. I'm promising

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Speaker 1: myself I'm not gonna do it again, So what make

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Speaker 1: sure you don't make the same mistakes. I have best

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Speaker 1: time of years coming right up. I'm super excited. I'm

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Speaker 1: sure you guys are too, So the best of luck

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Speaker 1: to everybody out there until next time. Then I hope

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Speaker 1: you'll stay Wired to Hunt. U