Speaker 1: Welcome to Good Calls with Dean Blandino, a production of
Speaker 1: I Heart Radio. Hey, what's going on? Dean Blandino? Another
Speaker 1: episode of Good Calls on your host boys. I'm joined
Speaker 1: by Travis Hands and Joe Madrid on audio and again
Speaker 1: what is this three weeks in a row? Scott Tamil
Speaker 1: Scott wearing the instacr T shirt. Scott did you work
Speaker 1: for instat car at one point? I did for a
Speaker 1: few months, and that was it was horrible. It's a
Speaker 1: terrible company. And if you need groceries delivered, don't use
Speaker 1: take so an INSTACR sponsor. I like it. Yeah, I
Speaker 1: hope they're not your newest spotsor my apologies not by
Speaker 1: insta Car Instacr. So why are they terrible? Um? They
Speaker 1: at the time I can only speak to when they
Speaker 1: first came to l A. They were all about speed.
Speaker 1: So it's like you're you would not get like as
Speaker 1: good of a quote unquote rating, uh and that, and
Speaker 1: it was all built on like how fast you could
Speaker 1: check out, So you were basically forced to game the
Speaker 1: system as far as like get things altogether then suddenly
Speaker 1: check out quickly. Uhnywhere like on one of those game
Speaker 1: shows where you had ten minutes. It was supermarket show, ye,
Speaker 1: and you had to get as much in the card
Speaker 1: as pot. That was great. I love that show. They're
Speaker 1: like filling their car with turkeys and things. I think
Speaker 1: it came back for with Guy Theory as a host,
Speaker 1: so check it out. But also I was just gonna
Speaker 1: say they've gotten in trouble because they've screwed over workers
Speaker 1: lately because they would hide the tip ability so you
Speaker 1: would want to tip them, but then they would add
Speaker 1: like a fee and it said this helps offset cause
Speaker 1: or something, so people would think they were already tipping
Speaker 1: the driver and they were like, oh, was a mistake.
Speaker 1: But shady there's a shady company. So if okay, if
Speaker 1: you if you were on that show and you had
Speaker 1: let's say five in your ows and you have three minutes,
Speaker 1: what ile are you going to first? In the supermarket baker,
Speaker 1: the liquorisle. Okay, I think bills weren't available, and then
Speaker 1: you gotta take away that you can't the liquor. I
Speaker 1: donything counts. But the point of the show was to
Speaker 1: try to in the final run would be to make
Speaker 1: pick this stuff that costs the most money, Like you
Speaker 1: have the biggest total. So I think, like, you want
Speaker 1: to go to like the meat, like they were always
Speaker 1: remember turkeys and hands go to the meat. I would
Speaker 1: go to the meat section. I think that. I think
Speaker 1: that's first, that's bang for your buck there. And then
Speaker 1: if liquor was if liquor was open, then yeah, like
Speaker 1: I could go to the liquor I'd probably end up
Speaker 1: in the ice cream section too. I feel like everybody
Speaker 1: used to go to the diaper ale first. That was
Speaker 1: where everyone I remember that's smart. Diapers is very smart
Speaker 1: wed that mindset. I'm the key. You don't have kids, yeah,
Speaker 1: but the type of that that those are expensive, man,
Speaker 1: you can get they're like I don't even pull ups
Speaker 1: and stuff. Geez. I mean Travis is eight kids. So
Speaker 1: we understand that. All right. So here's the question. Here's
Speaker 1: the question I'll post to you. Obviously, Look, the NFL
Speaker 1: just came out and they've been UM. We talked last
Speaker 1: week about the video and the NFL employee and then
Speaker 1: Roger Goodell admitting that they got it wrong in two
Speaker 1: thousands sixteen. UM. Now the latest right, the NFL is
Speaker 1: is going to UM donate ten years fifty million million
Speaker 1: dollar fund to combat systemic racism and support the battle
Speaker 1: in terms of the historic and justices faced by African Americans.
Speaker 1: All of this right, and obviously, look, I know we
Speaker 1: had another shooting um African American man in Atlanta that
Speaker 1: was just you know, that was picked up for potential
Speaker 1: um d u I and then was apparently running away
Speaker 1: from the police when he was when he was shot.
Speaker 1: And uh, but if look, if George Floyd doesn't happen, um,
Speaker 1: you know, is the NFL or any any of these
Speaker 1: other organizations, you know, pledging making these statements, making these donations,
Speaker 1: doing whatever, and and does that take away from the
Speaker 1: fact that at least we're doing something, at least we're
Speaker 1: aware of it. Unfortunately had to take something like this
Speaker 1: to kick start, you know, all of this what's happening
Speaker 1: in the country today. But does it take away for
Speaker 1: you that where some people might say, oh, this is
Speaker 1: only a reaction to what happened, and this is this
Speaker 1: is bowing the public pressure because right now, this is
Speaker 1: where the country is. At this point, I can go
Speaker 1: first and I say, yes, it's happening because of that,
Speaker 1: and it's unfortunate for that reason. But at the same time,
Speaker 1: you have to hit rock bottom and come out of it.
Speaker 1: So I think this is it's moving in the right direction.
Speaker 1: So so it's it sometimes takes the worst to happen
Speaker 1: to find out that you have to do more. And
Speaker 1: and that's a typical Travis response. He's the glass half
Speaker 1: full guy, and he's you know, that's he's the guy
Speaker 1: to go to for positivity. Now we'll go to our
Speaker 1: our resident cynic and and Scott, who has more of
Speaker 1: a I'm not gonna say Scott's a glass half empty
Speaker 1: type guy, but Scott is going to give you a
Speaker 1: little He's a realist. He'll tell you he's a realist.
Speaker 1: So Stott, what what's your where are you up? Well,
Speaker 1: this may shock you, but I pretty much agree with Travis,
Speaker 1: which is, uh, Dan, Travis, you're done. Stop you you
Speaker 1: said your this, You're You're absolutely right. If all this
Speaker 1: this last month doesn't happen, I think this wouldn't happen.
Speaker 1: But it is a good thing obviously that the NFL
Speaker 1: is putting money into this. I'll be more interested to
Speaker 1: see because right now, uh, you know, the league is
Speaker 1: obviously not active, so there is a lot of time
Speaker 1: for them to say the right things and do the
Speaker 1: right things. But when the league, when the season starts,
Speaker 1: presuming everything starts on time or just slightly delayed, it'll
Speaker 1: be very interesting to see how the league approaches things
Speaker 1: because now basically they're saying all the right things, But
Speaker 1: what happens in week four when players are still bring
Speaker 1: you know, bringing this to the forefront, and I'm you know,
Speaker 1: some owners haven't said anything. You know, it's like, are
Speaker 1: they gonna start talking? What if the president tweets stuff?
Speaker 1: Who knows? You don't have to wait to see? Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think we do. Look, it's it's ultimately, it's it's
Speaker 1: a shame that it came to this and obviously something
Speaker 1: so shocking and so horrified that everybody got to see
Speaker 1: and just but what black people have said has gone
Speaker 1: on for them for for a very a long time.
Speaker 1: And now the white community has to see this, this
Speaker 1: shopping event and say, oh, okay, now I'm gonna listen. Um,
Speaker 1: but at least we're listening, right, And but I think
Speaker 1: ultimately you're right in terms of when the season starts,
Speaker 1: and you know, ultimately it comes down to and this
Speaker 1: is the bigger question I've had conversations with people about
Speaker 1: this is you know, when you when you write, when
Speaker 1: you work for a company, right, we have we have
Speaker 1: freedom of speech in this country, and we have certain
Speaker 1: rights and things like that. But the reality is when
Speaker 1: you work for a company and you enter the workplace,
Speaker 1: a lot of those rights go away and you're governed
Speaker 1: by policies and things like that of the organization. Right,
Speaker 1: you can't just go into your workplace and say whatever
Speaker 1: you like and and there be no repercussions. So this
Speaker 1: there are some people that believe that this is this
Speaker 1: is in a way politicizing the workplace, that the players,
Speaker 1: this is their workplace, and now kneeling or making these statements,
Speaker 1: you know, is somehow politicizing the workplace. And and I
Speaker 1: understand that. I was having a conversation with a former
Speaker 1: colleague of mine and that's what kind of he was saying.
Speaker 1: And I get that, but I think it's beyond that
Speaker 1: in terms of the platform that these athletes have and
Speaker 1: how they can affect change. I believe we have to
Speaker 1: look past you know what. Obviously we're not gonna we
Speaker 1: don't want our athletes to be you know, in terms
Speaker 1: of condoning hate messages and things like that, because they
Speaker 1: have such a tremendous platform. But I think if this
Speaker 1: platform is for good, I don't have a problem with
Speaker 1: that in the workplace, I don't. I don't know where
Speaker 1: you guys are on that, if that even makes sense.
Speaker 1: If Dean I take the question as did this seem
Speaker 1: authentic or did this thing seem like what we kind
Speaker 1: of have to do? Is it genuine? Right? Is it? Yeah?
Speaker 1: Absolutely not? Yeah? Well I and I also think, look,
Speaker 1: I struggle with this too. And here's the reality. I
Speaker 1: struggle with being. Look, i am by no means we joke, right,
Speaker 1: I'm the C list celebrity or this the delays celebrity.
Speaker 1: But I am I am a public figure to some extent.
Speaker 1: I'm a white man in this country, and I struggle
Speaker 1: with the the idea of okay on social media especially,
Speaker 1: and you guys know me, I'm not a big promoter
Speaker 1: and I don't like you know, I'm not out on
Speaker 1: social media all the time promoting things and things like that.
Speaker 1: But where I struggle with, and I feel like other
Speaker 1: white people in the in the public space struggle with
Speaker 1: um is not saying anything being seen as okay. Silence.
Speaker 1: Now you're complicit to what's going on. Versus just saying
Speaker 1: something because everybody's saying something and it not being genuine,
Speaker 1: versus just behind the scenes, just trying to do what
Speaker 1: I can and having those conversations and controlling the things
Speaker 1: I can control, and and and so that's what I'm
Speaker 1: struggling with right now, to be perfectly honest, and I
Speaker 1: wouldn't be open it to you, especially Scott being Asian
Speaker 1: and being a minority, like what what what do I do?
Speaker 1: You know, what, what's the best route for me? I've
Speaker 1: seen a lot of people posting similar things. Well, one
Speaker 1: thing that is funny is, as you pointed out, like
Speaker 1: on social media, if you have a platform, you can
Speaker 1: type something in that will ruin your life for life.
Speaker 1: But I would say I would say uh quickly to
Speaker 1: get back to a question before the one direct to me,
Speaker 1: which is you know, um, players you there, they can
Speaker 1: say whatever they want, like you said, and the employers
Speaker 1: can decide and what they want to do. So right now,
Speaker 1: I don't think I think the discourse around it is there.
Speaker 1: Many players are using their platforms to speak out, which
Speaker 1: is great, but if it was some awful thing they
Speaker 1: were saying, you know, you do have the court of
Speaker 1: public opinion, and then you also just have like the
Speaker 1: limits of your employer and you know, not to put
Speaker 1: the NFL on blast or anything. But if you're you know,
Speaker 1: they've willingly kept people on their teams who have committed
Speaker 1: pretty terrible crimes. So I think, like, you know, that's
Speaker 1: that's also making a public statement. If you're like, hey,
Speaker 1: we know this guy did this horrible thing, but we're
Speaker 1: not gonna fire in now. Again, that's just they take
Speaker 1: the heat or they don't. So but as far as
Speaker 1: your question with you know, what can you do? Um,
Speaker 1: I've seen people post about this too because some people,
Speaker 1: myself included, aren't always you know, comfortable putting like our
Speaker 1: voice out there because we don't feel like it's authentic
Speaker 1: to do that, or we're co opting someone else's ideas,
Speaker 1: or we're taking away from things. So as long as
Speaker 1: you're active some way, whether it's like however you consider
Speaker 1: that you know, you're voting, you're talking with your family
Speaker 1: and your friends. You it could be donating money. There's
Speaker 1: people who like to donate a lot of money, but
Speaker 1: they don't want to make it a big deal or
Speaker 1: make it about them. You can still be involved in it,
Speaker 1: just because you're not tweeting, like it doesn't mean you're silent.
Speaker 1: And also the difference too is like it's not like
Speaker 1: you tweet fifty things a day and then now you're
Speaker 1: just not talking about it. Sure you know, so I guess,
Speaker 1: And then I think the other thing that comes down
Speaker 1: to the NFL. Right, Roger Goodell said that he welcomed
Speaker 1: the team signing Colin Kaepernick. I feel like there are
Speaker 1: some people that will not take the NFL seriously until
Speaker 1: Colin Kaepernick is on a team. Um. That is, some
Speaker 1: would say that Roger Goodell has some control over that.
Speaker 1: Someone would say that Roger dond has no control over that.
Speaker 1: That's up to the thirty two clubs and signing someone.
Speaker 1: The reality is, we talked about it last week. From
Speaker 1: a talent perspective, from a playing perspective, he belongs on
Speaker 1: an NFL roster, you know, as a backup at a minimum. Um,
Speaker 1: but is a team ready to take on that that
Speaker 1: public you know, like you said that that discourse that
Speaker 1: that I don't want to use the store just just
Speaker 1: for lack of a better term, distraction. Okay, UM, that's
Speaker 1: gonna be interesting because look, the reality is, I remember
Speaker 1: when when Michael Sam. You remember, Michael Sam was the
Speaker 1: defensive end of Missouri, openly, openly gay. He was went
Speaker 1: into the draft and there was a lot of conversation
Speaker 1: about whether Michael Sam was going to get drafted and
Speaker 1: and I don't know this for sure, but I believe
Speaker 1: and it was and and ultimately it was the Rams
Speaker 1: that drafted him. Jeff Fisher was the head coach. They
Speaker 1: took them, I think with a supper with a with
Speaker 1: a compensatory pick in the seventh round. I believe that
Speaker 1: there was conversation with the league, from the league office
Speaker 1: to the clubs to say, um, someone needs to to
Speaker 1: draft this guy, so we needs to draft this player,
Speaker 1: and and ultimately happened, and unfortunately didn't work out for
Speaker 1: for Sam. His career didn't really go anywhere. But I
Speaker 1: think it was an important step. And so I think
Speaker 1: the league can influence UM a team into into potentially
Speaker 1: signing Kaepernick UM. I think that would be a strong message.
Speaker 1: I like what Roger said about UM. He's open to
Speaker 1: working with with Kaepernick on these issues and having those conversations.
Speaker 1: And maybe that's more impactful UM than him just being
Speaker 1: on a club. But but who knows. And we'll we'll see.
Speaker 1: But the last thing on the NFL, which I just
Speaker 1: want to present, considering the current environment, it's never going
Speaker 1: to get any any and for lack of a better
Speaker 1: term better than this, how much longer can the NFL
Speaker 1: continue to have the Washington Redskins as a team name
Speaker 1: at this point? At what point can can does it? Does?
Speaker 1: Does the NFL saying we're fighting for social injustice? Is
Speaker 1: it not a complete big ball of hypocrisy one of
Speaker 1: your team names? Is that offensive? I think it's got
Speaker 1: to change. The mayor of d C has come out
Speaker 1: asking for the change again, and I think it's got
Speaker 1: to change. If it doesn't change now, when is it
Speaker 1: ever gonna right right now which seemed like the time
Speaker 1: to do it. Uh, I don't know. Can you speak
Speaker 1: about how like Dan Snyder obviously has opposed this a lot,
Speaker 1: like how much control really have? Look? I think the
Speaker 1: league you know when it comes to this, right you
Speaker 1: look you look at obviously Dan Snyder is an out
Speaker 1: and making racist comments and doing what Donald Sterling did.
Speaker 1: But the NBA force Donald Sterling to to sell his
Speaker 1: team because of all the awful things that had happened. Um,
Speaker 1: I think the NFL could exert influence. I think they've
Speaker 1: hid behind the idea that it isn't offensive um to
Speaker 1: Native Americans, that there have been these polls, um that
Speaker 1: that have said, well, you know, however, many percentage of
Speaker 1: Native Americans don't find the defensive. Um. Look if if
Speaker 1: one person finds a defensive and look, I'm not I'm
Speaker 1: very I'm very interested um in Native American history and
Speaker 1: things like that. I've studied it. I understand what's happened
Speaker 1: in this country, um, you know, revolving around Native Americans.
Speaker 1: And to me, I just it's it's it's mind boggling
Speaker 1: that we still have a team name and and to me,
Speaker 1: the environment today would tell us that this this has
Speaker 1: to change. Look obviously not trying to take away from
Speaker 1: from the Black Lives Matter and and and the historical
Speaker 1: injustices injustices there. But I don't know how the NFL
Speaker 1: could sit there and say we're serious about this when
Speaker 1: you've got one of your thirty two franchises with a
Speaker 1: name like the red Skins. I remember, I grew up
Speaker 1: in New York St. John's St. John's, which was a
Speaker 1: powerhouse basketball team right in the Big East. You remember second,
Speaker 1: Chris Mullen and and Bill Wennington and and and right,
Speaker 1: and they were the Red Men, okay, And that was
Speaker 1: and that that was changed in the nineties to the
Speaker 1: Red Storm the nineties. And we're still sitting here in
Speaker 1: two thousand twenty with the team name like the reds.
Speaker 1: It has I'm like you, it has to change. I
Speaker 1: don't know how it continues. Yeah, I agree nothing else.
Speaker 1: I agree with speechless. All right. So then the other
Speaker 1: big news about the NFL um some Cowboys players, notably
Speaker 1: Zeke Elliott and some Texas players tested positive for for
Speaker 1: COVID nineteen. Um to me, right, that's news. This is
Speaker 1: gonna happen. Yeah, be prepared, right if we're testing, right,
Speaker 1: the NFL saying, and LP medical director Tom Mayor is
Speaker 1: saying that we're gonna test for COVID three times a week.
Speaker 1: We're gonna isolate players who test positive. If we're testing players,
Speaker 1: if we've got fifty three man rosters, ten players on
Speaker 1: the practice squad, um injured reserve, all of that, we're
Speaker 1: testing people three times a week, We're gonna get positive tests. Right,
Speaker 1: think about this? Yeah, sorry, I was saying. The thing
Speaker 1: about this Zeke story is that we don't know when
Speaker 1: it was. It could have been like when that party
Speaker 1: was going on at dox House. What's that you know,
Speaker 1: a month or two months ago? Already it seems like
Speaker 1: where they where, they had you know, a bunch of
Speaker 1: food and they had the video we've all seen at
Speaker 1: Zeke's their decks there, they got friends over and there's
Speaker 1: definitely more than t wish wish people there. No, I'm
Speaker 1: you have the guy. So it's like, did he get
Speaker 1: it then or is it something recent now? If it's
Speaker 1: if it's later, you know, if it's if it's within
Speaker 1: the last week or so, then then you start to
Speaker 1: question it. But but Texas is opening up things again
Speaker 1: like everything else and and and it's it's you. We
Speaker 1: don't know when it We're going to get it. People
Speaker 1: are gonna get it. Right. The the mortality rate though,
Speaker 1: certainly as as you have a younger, stronger, you know,
Speaker 1: stronger immune system, the mortality rate isn't isn't extremely high, um,
Speaker 1: but you're gonna have case that's and we might we
Speaker 1: might be in a world who knows. In the fall,
Speaker 1: when guess what, you know, the Bucks are playing the
Speaker 1: Saints and Tom Brady just tested positive and Tom Brady
Speaker 1: playing on Sunday, right, So this is this could happen,
Speaker 1: and that's the reality. Every week it's gonna be you
Speaker 1: know who who's injured, who who potentially test positive? You know,
Speaker 1: and that's gonna be with all professional sports. You look
Speaker 1: at what's happening in Europe and leagues are happy. You know,
Speaker 1: they're boot whether it's bood Thisliga or other. You know,
Speaker 1: they've been playing for for several weeks and and they've
Speaker 1: been operating. Um. There have hasn't been a major major outbreak.
Speaker 1: And hopefully that's the case with all of our sports
Speaker 1: and uh and we won't have we won't have major
Speaker 1: issues going into the to the season. The interesting thing
Speaker 1: with the NFL is I think it was Bruce Arians
Speaker 1: who said he's contemplating having a quarterback stay at home
Speaker 1: and studying from home and not being around the team
Speaker 1: because if your backup gets COVID, you're I mean, if
Speaker 1: you're started get it, you're like likely going to spread
Speaker 1: it to the quarterback room in the backup is gonna
Speaker 1: get it too. Now you're stuff with your third string corpment.
Speaker 1: So it's interesting to bring in the strategy of everything too,
Speaker 1: which I haven't even thought about that side of it.
Speaker 1: I think that's gonna that's definitely gonna take place. You're
Speaker 1: you're gonna take special care with certain people. Maybe they
Speaker 1: don't come to the facility every day. Maybe they do
Speaker 1: things from home. Obviously, if it's a practice day and
Speaker 1: they've got to be on the field, that's different. But
Speaker 1: it's certainly gonna be It's gonna be interesting. Even the
Speaker 1: NFL is going to be working remotely, Amazing everyone working remotely.
Speaker 1: I'm gonna stay healthy. I might get my call this year.
Speaker 1: They're gonna step in. We might see, you know, very
Speaker 1: unheralded free agent signing Joe Madrid from Dando b is
Speaker 1: stepping in for for Grounds Kelsey. Travis Kelsey isn't playing,
Speaker 1: So Mahomes is gonna be Madrid is gonna be his
Speaker 1: top target? All right? And then I don't know baseball,
Speaker 1: what's the deal? Talk to me? What what Rob Manford
Speaker 1: was said? We were a hundred percent playing last Friday?
Speaker 1: Right now? Did I did I really say that? Did
Speaker 1: I say we're around from percent playing? Um? Look, a
Speaker 1: lot of this has to do with the Union, I
Speaker 1: think the league, right, the league keeps proposing different They
Speaker 1: keep basically proposing the same thing in different ways, and
Speaker 1: ultimately it comes down to each proposal, the players are
Speaker 1: getting roughly one third of their salaries. However you slice it,
Speaker 1: it's still roughly a third of what the players would
Speaker 1: be making. And I think that's the the MLB p
Speaker 1: A S issue. But you know, they're probably getting that
Speaker 1: actual unemployment Dean, what's that? They're probably getting that extra
Speaker 1: six headed on undeployment. Yes, I'm sure. So it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting baseball. If baseball canceled the season, this would
Speaker 1: be only the second time in professional North American professional
Speaker 1: sports that an entire season was canceled. Um. The NFL
Speaker 1: canceled the entire I think it was what season? Um,
Speaker 1: So we think about when baseball, uh, you know, canceled
Speaker 1: the rest of the season, didn't play the World Series.
Speaker 1: Montre l Expos never never recovered from that, right. The
Speaker 1: Montreal Spos went into went into debt. They couldn't afford
Speaker 1: the better players. They had to basically sell off these
Speaker 1: players and ultimately they went to funk. So we're about stack, yeah,
Speaker 1: and you worry about you know, is that the case?
Speaker 1: Could we see a repeat of that if we cancel
Speaker 1: the season. Because owning a professional sports franchise, um, you know,
Speaker 1: at least in my experience and the people that I
Speaker 1: talked to, it's more of a vanity project than anything else.
Speaker 1: Most of these owners have made their money in other
Speaker 1: industries and they own a sports team because because it's
Speaker 1: high profile and it's a vanity thing versus just um,
Speaker 1: you know, them making money hand over fist. I mean
Speaker 1: for for every organization like the Cowboys, are the Yankees,
Speaker 1: um that are you know, that continue to be valued
Speaker 1: at at at you know, however many billions of dollars.
Speaker 1: Then you have others, whether it's you know, small market
Speaker 1: baseball teams, small market hockey teams, things like that that
Speaker 1: that aren't that that are kind of just breaking even
Speaker 1: and then not having a season would be catastrophic. I
Speaker 1: like how you didn't call any of those teams out
Speaker 1: by name. That was that was that was good? No,
Speaker 1: that was very diplomatic. I'm just like you can I'll
Speaker 1: take my shitty thoughts and I'll project them onto you
Speaker 1: and how you can all run through the teams in
Speaker 1: your mind that you that you think of. All right,
Speaker 1: let's let's take a break. When we come back, we're
Speaker 1: going to talk about the the NFL's officiating department restructure
Speaker 1: was something that I'm intimately intimately involved. Next on Good Call. Alright,
Speaker 1: we're back on Good Calls. Travis is having a glass
Speaker 1: of wine. I do want to say the other day
Speaker 1: I had a when what day was it, Tuesday, Wednesday?
Speaker 1: I don't know. We had a had a virtual happy
Speaker 1: hour with some friends and they're on the East Coast.
Speaker 1: So I had like three drinks at three o'clock in
Speaker 1: the afternoon, passed out at five for like an hour
Speaker 1: and a half. So I am so out of drinking
Speaker 1: right now. Because of you would think that I'm not
Speaker 1: a I'm not. I'm kind of a homebody and I
Speaker 1: like being on my own, but I don't like drinking
Speaker 1: by myself. I'm a very social drinker, so I haven't
Speaker 1: been drinking. And I was literally wasted after three drinks
Speaker 1: and passed out on the coat on the sofa. And
Speaker 1: that's that's how it goes with quarantine. I think I
Speaker 1: think that my wife and I have drank wine pretty
Speaker 1: much every day with dinner since since uh quarantine started.
Speaker 1: It sounds very romantic. It's not one or two year
Speaker 1: old thrown food all the time. It's to help us
Speaker 1: get through dinner. We go that the eight kids come
Speaker 1: in ruin your your romantic dinner. All right. So in
Speaker 1: all of this, right, in all of the everything that's
Speaker 1: been happening in the world, um and in this country,
Speaker 1: you know, COVID, the social unrest, kind of what slipped
Speaker 1: onto the cracks a little bit is the the NFL
Speaker 1: has restructured their officiating department. And obviously this is a
Speaker 1: show that focuses on the NFL rules, so we thought
Speaker 1: it would be important to cover that. Um. Look, the
Speaker 1: reality is the conversation. I've had conversations with the NFL,
Speaker 1: um ever since I left, and and they the NFL
Speaker 1: has always been a special place for me, and I've
Speaker 1: always wanted to help them, and I've had conversations about potentially,
Speaker 1: you know, getting back there, and it just hasn't worked out, Right,
Speaker 1: it hasn't worked out. I'm very happy doing what I'm doing,
Speaker 1: and I'm open to help in the NFL in any way.
Speaker 1: So the NFL restructured their efficiating department and did a
Speaker 1: couple of things. So our Riverant, who was the senior
Speaker 1: vice president of officiating in the mold of what had
Speaker 1: happened in the past. Typically, Right, there was one person
Speaker 1: that oversaw the department. UM. Underneath that person there are
Speaker 1: officiating supervisors. There's a support staff, but that one person
Speaker 1: oversees everything is ultimately responsible UM for the structure in
Speaker 1: the department, the day to day operations, UM, hiring, firing, training. Right,
Speaker 1: that one person and you obviously have a support staff.
Speaker 1: That job has grown exponentially, UM, even from when I
Speaker 1: had it. And uh, you know you talk about replay
Speaker 1: going into the league office, and and that's something that
Speaker 1: that person would be responsible for. There's obviously so much
Speaker 1: in terms of social media, the connecting with the media,
Speaker 1: the clubs, everything else. It's a big job. So what
Speaker 1: the league did is they divided it up. Right, So
Speaker 1: I remember on is is no longer in charge of
Speaker 1: the officiated department. Right, It's it's basically a three a
Speaker 1: three headed approach. Um. Our river On will be in
Speaker 1: charge of instant replay. UM. This will be interesting because
Speaker 1: I love Al to death. Al has a lot of
Speaker 1: great qualities. I hired al um when I got the
Speaker 1: head job at the NFL. UM. Al has has a
Speaker 1: particular skill set, and I'll be quite frank, replay isn't
Speaker 1: a strong suit for It's just out and we kind
Speaker 1: of saw I play out last year with past inference.
Speaker 1: We never could find um the right place. We never
Speaker 1: could find a consistent standard, and so putting Al in
Speaker 1: charge of replay to me, is not putting someone in
Speaker 1: a position to be successful. Um that's just my opinion, right.
Speaker 1: I think you take someone's skill set and you say, okay,
Speaker 1: where can this person best be successful? That's going to
Speaker 1: help that person grow and it's also going to help
Speaker 1: the organization and replay is not hit for our river run. Now,
Speaker 1: hopefully there will be people underneath AL that will be
Speaker 1: able to help and we'll be making decisions. They're gonna
Speaker 1: have a rotating basis where they have people come in
Speaker 1: and help make decisions on game day and I will
Speaker 1: oversee it. So hopefully that that will mitigate some of
Speaker 1: those those circumstances where we're out would just be the
Speaker 1: sole person making those decisions. Okay, because again not his
Speaker 1: strong suit. Has a lot of skill set, has has
Speaker 1: skills that I don't have, came from an on field background,
Speaker 1: just stands officiating, mechanics, understands all of those things, and
Speaker 1: I needed him because I didn't understand those things to
Speaker 1: that degreat right, but replay right, that's not his wheelhouse.
Speaker 1: So we'll see how that plays out. UM lead hired
Speaker 1: Walt Anderson, longtime referee, had been a supervisor coordinator of
Speaker 1: officials in the Big Twelve for a long time, so
Speaker 1: has management experience, understands that part of it, obviously understands
Speaker 1: the on field part of it, had understands replay. I
Speaker 1: think Walt is a is a good higher Walton. I've
Speaker 1: known Walt for a long time. UM, Walt is as
Speaker 1: harder worker as I've ever seen, what will do, whatever
Speaker 1: it takes, what will put in the time. He's gonna
Speaker 1: be in charge of development and training, right, so he's
Speaker 1: gonna work with the on field officials, UM implement a
Speaker 1: training system of training program to help get the officials
Speaker 1: on the field better. So I think that's good, right,
Speaker 1: wal It's gonna need direction while it's gonna need to
Speaker 1: have to communicate with the competition. Give me to make
Speaker 1: sure that, UM, what is being taught to the officials
Speaker 1: is consistent with what the committee is. You know, once
Speaker 1: for the game. And then the third part is Um.
Speaker 1: The league hired Perry Fuel. Perry Fuel is a longtime
Speaker 1: assistant coach in the league, had been a interim hed
Speaker 1: coach with the Panthers, Um defensive coordinator, was defensive coordinator
Speaker 1: with the Giants when they won a Super Bowl, and
Speaker 1: known Perry for a long time. Smart guy obviously comes
Speaker 1: from a coaching background. I think that's good having somebody
Speaker 1: with a coaching background inofficiating is important. We did this
Speaker 1: when I was there. We brought in coaches that weren't
Speaker 1: working that year to spend the season with us. We
Speaker 1: did it with Jeff Fisher, Lovey Smith, Ken wizzen Hunt,
Speaker 1: Jim schwartz Um. We have coaches come in because they
Speaker 1: give you a unique perspective UM that you don't have
Speaker 1: from an officiating background. They can tell you what you know,
Speaker 1: what is being coach, what that player is attempting to do,
Speaker 1: what his assignment is, where where he's trying to get
Speaker 1: to on the football field, and that can help officials
Speaker 1: and just pay things. So I think that's great. Perry
Speaker 1: is going to be in charge of the day to
Speaker 1: day operation of the department and also going to communicate
Speaker 1: with the media and communicate with the clubs. The one
Speaker 1: concern I have about that is that Perry, while he
Speaker 1: may know football very well and and understand it from
Speaker 1: a coach's XS and O standpoint, it takes a long
Speaker 1: time to understand it from an officiating perspective. So Perry
Speaker 1: has a kind of a steep learning curve and it's
Speaker 1: gonna take some time. It's gonna take time for him
Speaker 1: to be able to communicate with a head coach or
Speaker 1: an assistant coach on an officiating issue. So he's going
Speaker 1: to need help. I think that's where the league needs
Speaker 1: to basically provide him some resources to give him the supports,
Speaker 1: again putting people in a position to be successful. So
Speaker 1: that's the set up. All three will ultimately report to
Speaker 1: Troy Vincent, who's the executive VP of Football Operations. So
Speaker 1: the bubble stop with Troy and and so depending on
Speaker 1: how this goes right, it's ultimately gonna fall on Troy's lap.
Speaker 1: He's responsible, and so it'll be interesting to see how
Speaker 1: that how this goes. I think ultimately, what is when
Speaker 1: you think about officiating today, what what of those three things,
Speaker 1: what's the most high profile, what's the most impactful for
Speaker 1: you as a fan watching replay. It's it's that goes
Speaker 1: without saying replay. And it's like you still have the
Speaker 1: guy who who messed it up last season in charge
Speaker 1: of it. Like that, to me doesn't make a lot
Speaker 1: of sense. Yeah, and that and that's from the person
Speaker 1: on the outside looking in. And I'll tell you from
Speaker 1: the person who used to be on the inside. And
Speaker 1: for people that I've talked to on the inside, Um,
Speaker 1: that's the concern. Right, You've taken someone that that that
Speaker 1: was not their strong suit, right, no fault of their own.
Speaker 1: It's just not right. Joe's Joe's not good at you know. Oh,
Speaker 1: be careful, be careful. I'm running down the list the things.
Speaker 1: You're having a hard time finding something. It's just Joe
Speaker 1: is not a great dresser, right, So I wouldn't put
Speaker 1: Joe in charge of If I ran a fashion house,
Speaker 1: I wouldn't put Joe in charge, right, dareing out clients,
Speaker 1: socializing that kind of thing. He's good with that. I
Speaker 1: would take him and say, take these these, take this
Speaker 1: group out, show him a good time, all right. Scott's
Speaker 1: gonna handle the fashion part of it, okay. So if
Speaker 1: I had do you three, I would put you in
Speaker 1: a position to be success and that's the concern. And look,
Speaker 1: it's not to say it can't work, and I hope
Speaker 1: it does. I wanted to work because I spent too
Speaker 1: much time and too much times invested in officiating to
Speaker 1: watch it, um, you know, be like it was last
Speaker 1: year and and and and to have that type of
Speaker 1: negative negativity surrounding it, and and so I wanted to work.
Speaker 1: I hope it works. There are smart people involved, and
Speaker 1: I just hope that we put people in a position
Speaker 1: to be successful. And it's gonna be interesting because when
Speaker 1: all of this, when COVID you know, and everything else,
Speaker 1: and we get back to playing games. Ultimately, what's gonna
Speaker 1: happen on Sunday right that that replay, We're gonna be
Speaker 1: sitting there and I'm gonna be trying to figure out
Speaker 1: what they're gonna do. And I just don't want to
Speaker 1: be making that face like I made in that Cleveland
Speaker 1: Raider game and took that seven team when they overturned
Speaker 1: that line the game and then basically became a meme
Speaker 1: because my my face. I was shocked and I didn't
Speaker 1: know the camera was coming back to me and I
Speaker 1: had that what the f look? On my face. So
Speaker 1: IM hoping that that's not the case. Although you guys
Speaker 1: would enjoy that because everybody gets a kick out of
Speaker 1: that type of stuff. What I think I'll enjoy is
Speaker 1: I want to hear Joe's rebuttal on him not having
Speaker 1: any fashion sense. You know, I get compliments on my
Speaker 1: wardrobe all the time, all the time. So all right,
Speaker 1: I wish you would have went with something else that
Speaker 1: I actually am not good at. But I get it.
Speaker 1: You've probably had a hard time finding that you're not
Speaker 1: good at social distancing, right, So so Dean, so Perry
Speaker 1: will be the one taking the calls from the mad coaches. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I think that's the way it's set up, and that
Speaker 1: that's that's the thing that Look, I get it from
Speaker 1: a coach's perspective, and I love the fact of having
Speaker 1: somebody Perry like, like having someone like Perry in there.
Speaker 1: But I can't see Perry answering a call from Bill
Speaker 1: Belichick or from you know, Anthon Lynn, or from from
Speaker 1: Bill O'Brien asking about holding call and and him being
Speaker 1: able to speak to be officiating mechanics and from a
Speaker 1: place of of knowledge at this point, not saying he
Speaker 1: can't get there. But at this point that would be difficult.
Speaker 1: It would be like me trying to go in and
Speaker 1: I'm coaching defensive line for the right. I wouldn't know
Speaker 1: initially what to teach them or what to tell you know,
Speaker 1: my players. I would need time to learn and to
Speaker 1: grasp it and things like that. So so that's gonna
Speaker 1: be the challenge. I think the coaches will still call you, well, yeah,
Speaker 1: I still get obviously, I still get phone calls. I
Speaker 1: talked to you know, I talked to people from the
Speaker 1: club today. Um, I'll be working with several clubs on
Speaker 1: on rules and helping their rookies and and talking the
Speaker 1: differences between n c A and NFL rules and putting
Speaker 1: together position specific tapes related to rules. So here are
Speaker 1: the rules that you know, working with with with teams
Speaker 1: in terms of here are the rules that your linebacktors
Speaker 1: need to know. Right, here are the rules that your
Speaker 1: defensive backs need to know. Here the rules that your
Speaker 1: offensive linemen need to know. What are the rules that
Speaker 1: most impact those position groups? Putting together videos and we'll
Speaker 1: do some zoom stuff. Well, hopefully we get to visit
Speaker 1: and training camp and go and work with some clubs
Speaker 1: and help them on that. So that's you know, that's
Speaker 1: something I appreciate those relationships and the ability to do
Speaker 1: those things. Um. But but yeah, it's it's it's gonna
Speaker 1: be interesting to see how this plays out because as
Speaker 1: you know, once the season starts, nobody's nobody's talking about
Speaker 1: officiating now in June, but I guarantee you in October
Speaker 1: they're gonna be talking about it if we're playing games.
Speaker 1: And this is gonna come to more of the forefront
Speaker 1: as to this structure and whether it's working or not.
Speaker 1: And and that's gonna be and that that remains to
Speaker 1: be seene. Would you would you say that, I mean,
Speaker 1: it's should there almost be a different position for the
Speaker 1: like Riveran had to answer, because he's the head of
Speaker 1: officiating two mistakes, You would think they should almost create
Speaker 1: a second person almost as like the face like a
Speaker 1: PR person that's the face forward because like you said,
Speaker 1: a lot of times, you can be a you can
Speaker 1: know the rule book, you can be an XS and
Speaker 1: those guys, but if you can't communicate really well to
Speaker 1: the media, you'll come off as a loof and then
Speaker 1: the league gets heat. Would you think the NFL would
Speaker 1: be open to creating like another position, you know, you
Speaker 1: hit the mail on the head. I think that makes
Speaker 1: perfect sense. And I think the structure. I like the
Speaker 1: idea of kind of of of creating these different you know,
Speaker 1: these different verticals and having somebody in charge. But you
Speaker 1: have to have the right people in those verticals, right,
Speaker 1: and you have to have someone like you said, if
Speaker 1: I'm communicating, if it's my job, if I'm the head
Speaker 1: of officiating, and my job is to teach officials and
Speaker 1: to train and to do replay and also communicate with
Speaker 1: the media, there's a couple of different skill sets there,
Speaker 1: and and and it's rare that one person has the
Speaker 1: ability to do those things right. So so I like
Speaker 1: the fact that you'd have somebody that could communicate with
Speaker 1: the media that is not necessarily making those decisions because
Speaker 1: there's a buffer and there's a separate you know, a separation.
Speaker 1: But you've got to have the right people someone whoever
Speaker 1: is communicating with the media. That that's a skill right.
Speaker 1: That was you know, my prayer was really good at that.
Speaker 1: When Mike was head of officiating, Um, you know, out
Speaker 1: wasn't as good with that. That's again, that's not within
Speaker 1: his skill set. Um how was better behind the scenes,
Speaker 1: teaching officials, positioning, where to be, what to do, those
Speaker 1: types of things. So I think the structure and the
Speaker 1: concept makes sense. But you've got to put people in
Speaker 1: position to be successful. And and again, you you do
Speaker 1: someone a disservice if you put them in a job
Speaker 1: that they're not suited for. I had a conversation with
Speaker 1: a head coach at the Super Bowl just about this fact,
Speaker 1: and he said, listen, it's like a player playing out
Speaker 1: a position. You know, we drafted. We draft a kid
Speaker 1: and we think he's a cornerback, and it's right away
Speaker 1: we realized he's not a corner He's not He can't
Speaker 1: play corner in this league. We gotta make him the safety.
Speaker 1: The longer we leave him at corner, right, it's gonna
Speaker 1: hurt his development, and it's gonna hurt the team. And
Speaker 1: it's the same deal and that and that's ultimately what
Speaker 1: what we we've seen um go in the past and
Speaker 1: we potentially could see going forward if we don't put
Speaker 1: people in the right position. So that's where I'm at. All, Right,
Speaker 1: let's take a break. Can we come back. Joe is
Speaker 1: going to is going to He's got a new song
Speaker 1: and uh, and it's called if I was a troll.
Speaker 1: I'll let Joe explain it. All right, We're back on
Speaker 1: good calls, and I have a I have a a proclamation.
Speaker 1: I have an announcement to make all right, and this,
Speaker 1: maith come as a shock to everybody. Um, but I
Speaker 1: I've not had a peanut M and M since June seven.
Speaker 1: Oh man, sorry, wait wait, I screwed that up. Sorry, no, no,
Speaker 1: what's today? No? No, wait, it gets better. I've not
Speaker 1: had a peanut Eminem since May seven. There's a bag
Speaker 1: in the cube right now. Seven I have not had
Speaker 1: a penut Eminem. I realized I finally hit rock bottom
Speaker 1: on May seven, and I know that, and I've and
Speaker 1: and so um, I ordered to party size Eminem bags
Speaker 1: off is on in addition to a giant tub of
Speaker 1: double bubble, and I know that I ordered it was
Speaker 1: delivered on April seven. The two party size now the
Speaker 1: party size are the mac Daddy Eminem bags, right, And
Speaker 1: on May seven, I finished the second bag by myself. Right,
Speaker 1: So so in eleven days, I finished two party size
Speaker 1: bags of Eminem's and I finally hit rock bottom. And
Speaker 1: I said, I'm not gonna eat an eminem not saying forever,
Speaker 1: but I'm not gonna eat another peanut eminem and I
Speaker 1: am going strong. Today's June sixte I've not had one
Speaker 1: since May seventh. Congratulations, that's really good. Like for for
Speaker 1: people who are listening, you don't know. Dan houses peanut
Speaker 1: butter teena Eminem's double bubble gum all day long, every
Speaker 1: day when we're in the cube, and it's it's amazing
Speaker 1: how he can. It's amazing how he can say as
Speaker 1: skinny as he does with eating as much junk is
Speaker 1: as as you eat. And I have I have. I
Speaker 1: have increased my half baked intake to two pints a week,
Speaker 1: one a week, and I spread it out though, like
Speaker 1: I'll do I'll do a weekend so probably like a
Speaker 1: Friday night in like a Tuesday to try to spread
Speaker 1: it out so um, you know, I'll do one peanut
Speaker 1: butter half baked maybe and then a regular half baked
Speaker 1: with the peanut m and ms and and I said,
Speaker 1: I don't miss it. So here's my question to you
Speaker 1: with with the pint of ice cream, Ony, don't you
Speaker 1: just eat like a little bit each day? What do
Speaker 1: you what? What's wrong? With just the influence of my wife.
Speaker 1: That's just ridiculous, Like, why would you even say that
Speaker 1: you can't Again, we've talked about this the half baked, right,
Speaker 1: it's very important that you get it from the store
Speaker 1: to your freezer immediately. If you cannot let it melt
Speaker 1: and then refreeze, that's a problem. So as soon as
Speaker 1: you get home, right, you can't. I don't go buy
Speaker 1: the f baik and then run another Errand it's the
Speaker 1: last thing that you buy. It's the last thing you
Speaker 1: get at the supermarket, it's the last story you go to.
Speaker 1: You go immediately home, you put it in the freezer,
Speaker 1: you take it out ten minutes before you're gonna eat it.
Speaker 1: You let it set up, you let it start to defrost,
Speaker 1: and you'll know if you did it right when you
Speaker 1: take the top off. If the top comes off, it's
Speaker 1: kind of like it's just a feeling and you go, oh,
Speaker 1: this is gonna be a good point. And it's creamy
Speaker 1: and you don't have that frostbite on it. Look, it's
Speaker 1: a it's like ice cream. Some oyer. You gotta let
Speaker 1: it breathe before you can eat it, and you can't
Speaker 1: like eat you can eat like part of it. You
Speaker 1: eat the wo thing, you're all in and then you go, okay,
Speaker 1: you have a problem, you have any yes, and look
Speaker 1: that's my My entire life has been sweet tooth has
Speaker 1: been my problem. Um so, but yes, the peanut eminem thing,
Speaker 1: I don't miss it, and I feel good. So let's see,
Speaker 1: we'll see how long it goes. Um. So, today I
Speaker 1: was presented with an opportunity and I passed because I'm
Speaker 1: not a Twitter's roll. I get trolled by people left
Speaker 1: and right, especially during football season, and so I don't
Speaker 1: ever want to become one of those people. But um,
Speaker 1: you know Dez Bryant who he and I are connected
Speaker 1: for life, right because of that one faithful afternoon in
Speaker 1: in two thousand and and uh um he tweeted that
Speaker 1: he had took a COVID nineteen test and he came
Speaker 1: up negative. Right, Um So I was just I saw
Speaker 1: it right because I followed as and there's so much
Speaker 1: I could do with that, Jerry, Like, I'll leave it
Speaker 1: to you guys with what would be the tweet? Right,
Speaker 1: because I mean it's so the easy one is you know, hey, Jes,
Speaker 1: glad you didn't catch it, But like, where where do
Speaker 1: you go with it? Just where do you like? I
Speaker 1: told you? What's that? Told you didn't catch it? I
Speaker 1: mean it's you know, I was thinking, I you know
Speaker 1: it does. I could have told you that, you know,
Speaker 1: there's so much you go with but I'm not. So
Speaker 1: I'll do it here amongst friends. And just understand, I'm
Speaker 1: not a Twitter troll. But if you were a troll,
Speaker 1: right If you were a troll, who would you troll
Speaker 1: right now? Scott? If you were a Twitter troll, who
Speaker 1: would you be trolling right now? I feel like and
Speaker 1: I feel like Scott of all of us, is the
Speaker 1: closest to a Twitter troll. If you follow Scott Tamill
Speaker 1: at Scott Tamill on Twitter, he does tweet at people.
Speaker 1: He does. He it's a very underrated Twitter account. I don't.
Speaker 1: I rarely tweet at people, but tweets about people. Yes,
Speaker 1: he does take shots at people. Yeah, I know whom
Speaker 1: I know who I troll? Oh would you know? We
Speaker 1: can't get too deep. But his name is Roger. Oh god,
Speaker 1: Joe is not a fan. Joe is not a Roger
Speaker 1: Goodell fan. To say he's not a fan is being
Speaker 1: very kind er. Roger is a good guy. I will
Speaker 1: be you'd have a beer with Roger, you would. I
Speaker 1: just wish, I just wish he would be more of
Speaker 1: that guy than than commissioner guy. But you're in St. Vegas,
Speaker 1: Dave be the guy, don't. Oh he's he's he's like
Speaker 1: the troll of all trolls. His whole persona is just
Speaker 1: a troll. So by trolling him, you're actually probably doing
Speaker 1: him a favor. It would he would give him energy
Speaker 1: fights the right dude when I was just begging to
Speaker 1: run into him after about seven right drinks? Alright, sorry
Speaker 1: to bring it up. Oh no, I mean the only
Speaker 1: person I think I've ever been blocked by on Twitter
Speaker 1: is Frank Stallone, brother brother of Sylvester. Sobody get blocked?
Speaker 1: That's the most How do you get blocked by Frank Stallon? Well,
Speaker 1: like what, he's an angry guy these days. He has
Speaker 1: a lot of opinions on how the country is being run.
Speaker 1: But this was back now, this would have been back
Speaker 1: in two six. He was going off about how all
Speaker 1: these celebrities who were uh promoting who they were going
Speaker 1: to vote for president? Right, so it was obviously Hillary
Speaker 1: Clinton or Trump, And he said, like, uh, bon Jovi
Speaker 1: is a loser and he hasn't even be as I
Speaker 1: think he backed Hillary Clinton. And it's like bon Jovi
Speaker 1: hasn't even been inducted into the Rock and Roll Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame. What a loser. And I tweeted at Frank
Speaker 1: because he has a recording career, does he just so
Speaker 1: people know he's released albums? I said, Frank, when are
Speaker 1: you getting inducted? And he like, within our seconds he
Speaker 1: must he immediately block yeah, which I think is a fair.
Speaker 1: You know, it's like if you're calling bon Jovi a
Speaker 1: loser for not being in the Rock and Hall Hall
Speaker 1: of Fame as a musician, how I'm not sure. Let
Speaker 1: me check. That's a travesty if he isn't. If bon
Speaker 1: Jovi is not in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame,
Speaker 1: that's an issue. Oh I think he got inducted in Okay, alright,
Speaker 1: good so now his Frank's tweet is no more didn't age. Well,
Speaker 1: if you ever get invited back to this Stallone residence,
Speaker 1: please let me let me since you brought a got,
Speaker 1: since you brought it up. You know I have hung
Speaker 1: out with Frank Stallone. I've I've hung out at at
Speaker 1: you know, we we you know us friends. We call
Speaker 1: him Slide. So I spend time at Slice House. Uh
Speaker 1: Frank was there. Uh he you know, seemed like a
Speaker 1: good guy. Didn't talk much, but but he was kind
Speaker 1: of just kind of in the background. Um, you know,
Speaker 1: and uh, you know, I don't think when I hung out. No,
Speaker 1: I didn't know you when I hung out with with Slide,
Speaker 1: So I didn't know that Frank Stallone story. You know.
Speaker 1: I wish I would have because then I would have
Speaker 1: asked him about it. Hey, you remember blocking this Asian
Speaker 1: kid on Twitter when he said that you weren't in
Speaker 1: the Hall of the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.
Speaker 1: But obviously you hit a sore spot. But I would
Speaker 1: like to see you go after Frank Stallone. Let's start
Speaker 1: a Twitter beef between you guys. Let's do it from
Speaker 1: I just I would just love to apologize. You know,
Speaker 1: I want to break bread with next time I'm at
Speaker 1: Slice House. I'll face time. Did give him give Scott
Speaker 1: access to the good called Twitter? Let him you're running
Speaker 1: with that on there? Just go, yeah, Scott does. I
Speaker 1: will say that Scott is is the most active in
Speaker 1: terms of you know, what's happening in the world today
Speaker 1: in the country. He's active in the in the l
Speaker 1: A political scene, and and and in terms of your
Speaker 1: council members, you're always tweeting about that stuff. UM, so
Speaker 1: kudos to you, um for that. Travis on the other
Speaker 1: and Travis, who would you? Who would you troll? Honestly,
Speaker 1: I've been trying to rack my brain about it. I've
Speaker 1: never I've never tweeted in it. And I just like,
Speaker 1: I don't care to bother people that much like I
Speaker 1: don't want to hear about other people's problems. So I'm
Speaker 1: not like looking at stuff on Twitter all the time,
Speaker 1: and I don't care to. There's a statement right there
Speaker 1: on Twitter just sharing their own problems. Do you remember
Speaker 1: rememberal media is just look at me, look at me,
Speaker 1: look at me. Hey, world, don't forget about me, right
Speaker 1: you know I'm saying, Travis, I mean not not not
Speaker 1: getting from it. Well, everybody answer, I don't need anyone.
Speaker 1: He didn't remember when you remember when I got into
Speaker 1: a battle with one of your roles on Twitter he
Speaker 1: challenged me to a fight, and I get accused. I
Speaker 1: get accused of having burner accounts. I don't have a
Speaker 1: burner account. My friends have accounts and they will. They
Speaker 1: will go after people that go after me, and it's hilarious,
Speaker 1: Like Joe and his and his is alternate ego on
Speaker 1: Twitter going at it with this guy from like Temecula
Speaker 1: who's the cowboy fan, like back and forth. It was
Speaker 1: insane for hours. I wish I want to find that exchange.
Speaker 1: We have to twelve year olds like like back and forth,
Speaker 1: trying to get the last word in. He gave me
Speaker 1: the off ramp. What freeway that we were we were
Speaker 1: going to meet and fight? Oh my god, it's so
Speaker 1: it was amazing. I wouldn't I wish that would have
Speaker 1: happened pay per view. So I do, I do. I
Speaker 1: do think that would be a good reality show where
Speaker 1: you get celebrities and they go visit someone that has
Speaker 1: been particularly trollish towards them, and then you start interaction
Speaker 1: in person, because the interaction in person is so much
Speaker 1: different from social media. Everybody you meet in person um
Speaker 1: are gracious and and happy and they want to talk
Speaker 1: to you. And I just feel like sometimes people get
Speaker 1: on Twitter or get on social media and they have
Speaker 1: this I don't know this this negative vive and and
Speaker 1: it just doesn't you know, they feel emboldened and empowered
Speaker 1: to uh, to make people try to feel that make
Speaker 1: them feel bad about themselves. But yeah, and you show
Speaker 1: us the tweets that these guys send to you, and
Speaker 1: when you actually write them back and like, hey, I
Speaker 1: understand your point, and then they're like, oh, Dan, that's cool,
Speaker 1: thanks man, thanks for writing me back, and they're like
Speaker 1: really nice at that point. Well, yeah, and I had
Speaker 1: the other what a couple of weeks ago the guy
Speaker 1: apologized randomly from a tweet like two years ago. He
Speaker 1: was like, I was going through a tough time, dude. Sorry, Okay,
Speaker 1: that's awesome. I'm glad you're doing better. Um. But the thing,
Speaker 1: the one you know, we didn't need to remember. We
Speaker 1: met this guy and we were out in hermosa one night.
Speaker 1: Joe was there and the guy like came up to
Speaker 1: me and and he trolled me in person. He when
Speaker 1: we videotaped it and he like did an impression of
Speaker 1: me on the air. He made fun of me and
Speaker 1: it was hilarious. God. Um yeah, Brian full full Fogel
Speaker 1: Fogel art or something from from Minnesota actually big Vikings fan. Um.
Speaker 1: All right, so Scott, you were pretty adamant about this,
Speaker 1: so the McGuire Sosa documentary on ESPN sucked basically, Yeah, yeah,
Speaker 1: I mean it was. I was actually really excited for
Speaker 1: it because obviously that home run race was a real
Speaker 1: exciting time in baseball. But the documentary is just like
Speaker 1: a real fluff the like zero content doc that really
Speaker 1: spends a lot of time just online. Hey, this is
Speaker 1: bringing America together and people are loving it. Which it
Speaker 1: was a really exciting event, I remember it. But you know,
Speaker 1: obviously steroids hang over that entire era, and you know,
Speaker 1: it's an hour and forty five minutes. They don't bring
Speaker 1: up any sort of performance enhancing stuff till about forty
Speaker 1: five minutes and then only about five minutes ten minutes
Speaker 1: right at the end of the documentary are like, oh yeah,
Speaker 1: and McGuire did steroids and Sammy Sosa probably did them,
Speaker 1: and uh, that's about it. Like it's just a it's
Speaker 1: just a really weird way that they framed everything. And
Speaker 1: you know, just like my complaint with baseball always just
Speaker 1: like it's two obsessed with its own self importance and
Speaker 1: its own history, and it's it's just talks about like
Speaker 1: it's just it's just not a particularly compelling doc you
Speaker 1: Marry I say skipping. Yeah, I mean if it doesn't,
Speaker 1: I don't know how you talk about that time without
Speaker 1: talking about the stories and making it a central part
Speaker 1: of the documentary. Obviously, that was an exciting time. You can't,
Speaker 1: like you think about baseball. The last time baseball was
Speaker 1: the national story probably was those those years, and and
Speaker 1: that one particularly year when when McGuire had seventy and
Speaker 1: Sammy hit sixty six. Um, it was exciting. I remember, right,
Speaker 1: I'm not I don't sit there today and you know,
Speaker 1: if we have a baseball season for the last year,
Speaker 1: or the year before, or for the last ten years,
Speaker 1: I'm not tuning into a Cardinals Brewers game on Tuesday night.
Speaker 1: You know. Back then, Yeah, I was wild. It was
Speaker 1: must C TV, you know when the Cubs were playing,
Speaker 1: you know, the Dodgers, right, we had to watch because Sammy,
Speaker 1: you know, what is Sammy gonna do? What is what
Speaker 1: is maguire going to do? And that race was I
Speaker 1: mean it was September. Sammy was actually ahead, and uh,
Speaker 1: you know we hadn't seen you think about, we hadn't
Speaker 1: seen a sixty home run season since Roger Maris in
Speaker 1: in nine And now we've got two guys hitting sixty
Speaker 1: home runs and uh and you know McGuire actually getting
Speaker 1: the seventy And then you think about that era in
Speaker 1: a five six years span, were you know McGuire Sosa,
Speaker 1: Bonds hitting sixty home run Sammy did it? I think
Speaker 1: three times? Um insane And and but to not talk
Speaker 1: about the steroids and in the impact and everything that,
Speaker 1: I think that's that's leaving out a big part of
Speaker 1: the story. It's like doing a documentary about Michael Jordan
Speaker 1: and not you know, just coming out and saying he's
Speaker 1: an asshole. It's like serapa. I will say. Also, they
Speaker 1: barely interview, so so like that, it's weird. Like the
Speaker 1: way the trailer is, you think you're gonna get a
Speaker 1: lot of air time with McGuire and Sosa, so some
Speaker 1: maybe talks like eight or nine times, but for you know,
Speaker 1: cumulatively of the one hour forty five minutes, he's maybe
Speaker 1: in five to seven minutes of It's really odd. It's interesting.
Speaker 1: It is like a Mark McGuire Center thing. And I
Speaker 1: also thought just real quick that they didn't talk. They
Speaker 1: really briefly mentioned how the Cubs to basically iced him out.
Speaker 1: He won the m B n L m B. He
Speaker 1: hasn't been back. He hasn't been back to rigularly since. Yeah,
Speaker 1: I thought that would have been more interesting. I it
Speaker 1: sounds like they, the Cubs themselves, want him to be
Speaker 1: like I did steroids and I'm sorry and he refuses
Speaker 1: to say that. So they just have never brought him back. Well,
Speaker 1: I mean, there's no question, I don't. I mean, right,
Speaker 1: it was never proven, but he he was on something.
Speaker 1: I mean, this is a guy that corked his back, right,
Speaker 1: remember when he broke the bath and the and the
Speaker 1: cork was in the bath. I mean, so, so this
Speaker 1: is a guy that and look, I don't think, right,
Speaker 1: does Sammy Sosa and Mark McGuire have to answer for
Speaker 1: the sins of an entire era because it wasn't just them,
Speaker 1: you know? And they do say that it wasn't just them,
Speaker 1: But it's like, do they have to answer for it?
Speaker 1: But they should probably just do for themselves. Absolutely, But
Speaker 1: they have become the poster children for for that era
Speaker 1: because obviously they were, you know, other than Bonds, they
Speaker 1: were they were hitting the most home runs. But when
Speaker 1: you have guys like right, who wasn't on the oriels
Speaker 1: that had fifty home runs that hadn't with Brady Anderson
Speaker 1: and some of these other guys that that hadn't hit
Speaker 1: more than ten or fifteen home runs in their career
Speaker 1: and then all of a sudden, they're heating thirty forty
Speaker 1: home runs. Um. Whether it was a combination of P
Speaker 1: D S M baseball, messing with the foot with the
Speaker 1: baseball's all of that to make it more exciting. Um,
Speaker 1: but it was definitely something going on. And uh, but
Speaker 1: the reality is it has Baseball hasn't been as exciting
Speaker 1: since um, you know, and I say that as a
Speaker 1: Dodger fan, and the Dodgers haven't been in a couple
Speaker 1: of World Series and uh, you know recently, and but
Speaker 1: it just hasn't been hasn't been as exciting, is uh,
Speaker 1: you know, football and even some of the other sports.
Speaker 1: Let's go bright and blondie, you know, all right, let's
Speaker 1: go first guy that said, pardon my french, fucking nailed it.
Speaker 1: Who's the first guy that said that? Who's the like
Speaker 1: the guy, well, how did that start? I'm always fascinated
Speaker 1: with these saints, Like, who's the guy that dropped the
Speaker 1: f bomboms? Like part of my French and everybody was like,
Speaker 1: oh my god, what just happened? What like who who
Speaker 1: created that? And how cool? How great did that guy feel?
Speaker 1: It's like we talked about before, like the Indians that
Speaker 1: don't stick, Like how many times did not want to say?
Speaker 1: How many times did he say part of my French
Speaker 1: before it kind of became offense, like, hey, Rick, stop
Speaker 1: saying that thing French thing, It's not gonna happen. You're
Speaker 1: just cursing the curse, like stop, the kids are around enough,
Speaker 1: and he just kept doing it. But like that, that's
Speaker 1: always fascinating to me is sayings and you know right
Speaker 1: what two birds in the hand is or one bird
Speaker 1: in the hand is worth two in the bush. And
Speaker 1: and the grass is always greener? Like how many who
Speaker 1: came up with the idea and then they said, hey, listen, Scott,
Speaker 1: I've got this idea for saying and I want to incorporate.
Speaker 1: So at the party you say this, I'll respond, make
Speaker 1: sure people are around and then they'll catch on. Is
Speaker 1: that how it happens something like that? Right, It's like
Speaker 1: you just have to continually say it over and over.
Speaker 1: Did you say the grass is always greener? So do
Speaker 1: you mean that you're always looking for something else. What
Speaker 1: you currently have is not enough. Is that what that means? Hey, Joe,
Speaker 1: come here, listen to this. This guy just said the
Speaker 1: grass is always greener and then they tell a friend
Speaker 1: they I think how it goes down is like I
Speaker 1: think how it goes down. It's like, oh, you know,
Speaker 1: my friend Dean, he always says the grass is always
Speaker 1: greener on the other side, and then it's like, oh,
Speaker 1: it's pretty intelligent, and then you know, just keeps going
Speaker 1: it snowball effect. So part of my French was that, like, hey,
Speaker 1: my friend Travis, he always he curses and then he says,
Speaker 1: pardon my French. It's it's I just it's so cool,
Speaker 1: So I'm gonna start saying. Then we all say, and
Speaker 1: how did it become French? Because French is what it's
Speaker 1: just like a proper I think it's maybe it's properly
Speaker 1: proper the language of love, isn't it? And it kind
Speaker 1: of just rolls off the romantic right there, there's the
Speaker 1: romantic languages a right, French, Italian, Spanish? All right, my
Speaker 1: French the podcast shirt? When are we gonna get some
Speaker 1: good calld shirts? Bro, I'll design it let's design. You know,
Speaker 1: you should let me design it every time. The best
Speaker 1: dressed I'm the best dressed on the podcast. I should
Speaker 1: probably do Travis. I want Okay, Travis, you have to
Speaker 1: pose for a picture. I need you to be in
Speaker 1: flip flops doing a flying drop kick and we'll take
Speaker 1: a picture of it. We'll put it on a T
Speaker 1: shirt and it'll be a good call. Boom. On that note,
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