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Speaker 1: Welcome to odd Lots. I'm Tracy Alloway, Executive editor of

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Speaker 1: Bloomberg Markets, and I'm Joe Wisenthal, Managing editor of Bloomberg Markets. So, Joe,

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Speaker 1: I have a special treat for you today. We are

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Speaker 1: going to be doing an entire episode essentially on my

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Speaker 1: commute to work. Oh uh, And you are not based

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Speaker 1: here in New York and you're in Abu Dhabi, So

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Speaker 1: this is like a very Tracy centric episode, right, well,

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Speaker 1: hopefully not um, but I am an Abu Dhabi and

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Speaker 1: at least once a week I drive over to Dubai.

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Speaker 1: It's about an hour, hour and a half, sometimes two hours,

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Speaker 1: along this one road called the E eleven Highway, and

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Speaker 1: it's kind of a famous road over here. Why is

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Speaker 1: it famous? Is it just because it because it connects

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Speaker 1: and weaves through a bunch of other Gulf states. And

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Speaker 1: what we're going to be talking about today is the

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Speaker 1: history of how that road came to be and I

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Speaker 1: promise you there is actually a markets angle in this

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Speaker 1: awesome well I'm looking forward to it. Who are who

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Speaker 1: are we talking to? All right? So, Joe, we have

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Speaker 1: joining us today, Matthew McLean. He has a PhD candidate

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Speaker 1: at New York University and a specialist in Middle Eastern studies.

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Speaker 1: So the perfect person really to walk us through the

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Speaker 1: history of this road. Great, let's get to it. Thanks

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Speaker 1: for joining us, Matthew. Why don't you set the scene

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Speaker 1: for us, you know, the road starts to get built.

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Speaker 1: I think it was sometime in the nineties sixties. What

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Speaker 1: did this area, the United Arab Emirates actually look like

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Speaker 1: of all, it wasn't the yet the United Arab Emirates.

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Speaker 1: It was still known as the Trucial States, from the

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Speaker 1: truces that the various Shaptims had signed with the British

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Speaker 1: too to prevent piracy or what was called piracy and

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