Speaker 1: All right, let's get in here today, and eyes up here.
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Speaker 1: me and the Chad sir, of course, and you, the
Speaker 1: Queen of Extreme Franzine, as we stettle in to discuss
Speaker 1: topic that we've been building up for the last two
Speaker 1: or three weeks, Dark Side of the Ring, Season four,
Speaker 1: talking about somebody you know very very well, somebody near
Speaker 1: and dear to your heart. I'm dying to get your
Speaker 1: thoughts on the episode one and only, Chris Candida. But
Speaker 1: before we get involved, how are you.
Speaker 2: Doing this morning? I mean, I've been better. I have
Speaker 2: been crying this morning. I was hoping to go into
Speaker 2: this episode like like, oh, it's this celebration of his.
Speaker 3: Life and and all this stuff, you know, like.
Speaker 2: A positive thing, which I thought they showed him in
Speaker 2: a very good light. But it was hard to like
Speaker 2: relive a lot of those moments because for a lot
Speaker 2: of them, I was there and I saw a lot
Speaker 2: of things happened to him and to her, So it
Speaker 2: was difficult for me to sit through that you know,
Speaker 2: without feeling some kind of emotion, and it's it's it
Speaker 2: just makes me so upset because like he again and
Speaker 2: and it'll lead to this in the discussion, but he
Speaker 2: was so young and so full of life. And what
Speaker 2: was so heartbreaking was not only like his brother's take
Speaker 2: on it, but his mother. A parent should never have to,
Speaker 2: you know, bury their child, and it was it was
Speaker 2: just so hard to watch for me. It's just really
Speaker 2: really difficult to watch.
Speaker 1: As somebody who you can say was universally loved. And
Speaker 1: we saw the emotion from everyone that they spoke with
Speaker 1: about Chris and what he left legacy wise in the
Speaker 1: business and just the impact he had on people and
Speaker 1: just from being around you and Shane over the last
Speaker 1: six years, I've felt it.
Speaker 4: And I saw him at shows.
Speaker 1: That from Afar, I saw my conventions from Afar, But
Speaker 1: just to see the impact he made on you guys
Speaker 1: has been fascinating and piecing it all together, you can't
Speaker 1: help but feel your emotion come through that screen.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was.
Speaker 2: We you know, we had a lot of good times,
Speaker 2: but I looked back and I was reliving, like some
Speaker 2: of the things that I saw him do that in
Speaker 2: that moment I thought he had control and so I didn't,
Speaker 2: like I think it was that big of a deal,
Speaker 2: but it was. And there's a lot of things I've
Speaker 2: never discussed before because I, you know, I don't want
Speaker 2: to be that one person who breaks k fabe and
Speaker 2: talks about people's drug addictions or alcohol problems.
Speaker 3: But it's out there.
Speaker 2: You know, it's out there and it's known, and I've
Speaker 2: seen Chris do a lot of things, you know, like, uh,
Speaker 2: I've never been a drug person. I've said this before,
Speaker 2: Like I've taken like a pill here and there. I
Speaker 2: was on Delauded when I broke my hip, so I
Speaker 2: know the feeling that you get from these pills, but
Speaker 2: thank the Lord above, I've never got to the point
Speaker 2: where I was addicted. You know. The delaud it was
Speaker 2: the first, I think and only time I was ever
Speaker 2: prescribed any type of medication like that. And uh, at
Speaker 2: the time, I needed it because the pain was excruciating.
Speaker 3: With these guys go through and girls, with what they
Speaker 3: go through every.
Speaker 2: Night, you can't imagine the feeling that your body goes
Speaker 2: through because.
Speaker 3: It is not I don't care what anybody's it is
Speaker 3: not normal. Even though you're training. It is not normal
Speaker 3: to put.
Speaker 2: Your body through that pain and through that uh you know,
Speaker 2: process of bumping each and every single night.
Speaker 3: Like, it's not normal. It creates trauma to the body.
Speaker 3: It's damage. So I understand that.
Speaker 2: A lot of these guys got like addicted to the pills,
Speaker 2: the drugs. However, the you know, there was not only
Speaker 2: the Soma's, but like there was cocaine use.
Speaker 3: I like, I remember one time we were going.
Speaker 2: To the one of the shows and I got out
Speaker 2: of the car and I knocked on Chris's door and
Speaker 2: he was he had something in his hand and he
Speaker 2: was rubbing in against his gum vigorously rubbing it. I said,
Speaker 2: what are you doing. I didn't know what that was,
Speaker 2: and it was it was a rock of cocaine and
Speaker 2: apparently you get high when you rub it against your
Speaker 2: gum line. Like I didn't know any of that stuff,
Speaker 2: you know, And at the time, I was just like, oh, okay,
Speaker 2: I was young, I was naive.
Speaker 3: I didn't know what it did to you.
Speaker 2: I didn't try it, you know, it wasn't my deal,
Speaker 2: and I just went about my way. I said, well,
Speaker 2: he performs every single night, solid is there anything to
Speaker 2: worry about with him. I don't think so that was
Speaker 2: my mind set. You know, one night he took horse tranquilizer.
Speaker 2: He was on the roof of the building and we
Speaker 2: thought he was going to jump off the roof.
Speaker 3: I so many things that I look back and I'm
Speaker 3: just like Jesus, like all this stuff.
Speaker 2: And then he dies, like Cornette said, he breaks his
Speaker 2: ankle and it's a blood clot.
Speaker 3: And why the hell did he get on that plane.
Speaker 2: Why if he didn't do it, he would have been alive,
Speaker 2: hopefully because he was straightened in his life.
Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just so terrible, terrible to watch.
Speaker 2: And uh, there's another story I've never I don't think
Speaker 2: I've told this publicly. This affected me, and I think
Speaker 2: it made him and I a lot closer. I was
Speaker 2: at my hotel one night. I feel like, I'm not
Speaker 2: doing this to bury him. I'm just I'm just telling
Speaker 2: you my like my experiences with him and her. I
Speaker 2: get a phone call from Paul Hayman and he tells
Speaker 2: me you need to go over to Chris Candido's room.
Speaker 2: And I said, what's going on? And he said, I
Speaker 2: think he's a dating I was like, what what?
Speaker 3: And I'm thinking where where where Shane? Where's Bambam? Like?
Speaker 3: Why am I getting this phone call? Please go help him?
Speaker 3: I get so I'm like, okay.
Speaker 2: So I had to get on a shuttle because I
Speaker 2: wasn't at the same hotel for some reason, but they
Speaker 2: were close by and the I asked the shuttle, can
Speaker 2: you take me? And he took me and I went
Speaker 2: and I walked into the room and I found Chris
Speaker 2: on the bed in the fetal position, just rocking back
Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth, covered.
Speaker 3: In sweat, and I said, what did you take? What
Speaker 3: you know?
Speaker 2: And my heart is pounding. And with that the phone rings.
Speaker 2: His phone rings. I pick it up and it's Tammy
Speaker 2: and she says, you are the only girl that I
Speaker 2: trust to do this. Please help him, Please help him,
Speaker 2: because she wasn't with us at the time, she wasn't there.
Speaker 3: And I said okay, and she said, Paul's going to
Speaker 3: call back. So all called back. I didn't know what
Speaker 3: to do.
Speaker 2: I was panicking. I was in a panic. I was crying.
Speaker 2: And Paul said, check every drawer, check the room, check
Speaker 2: under the bed, check under the mattress, checking everything. I
Speaker 2: opened one of the drawers and I found a bunch
Speaker 2: of needles, and I found these little vials. I didn't
Speaker 2: know what they were, and I said, Paul, I found, like,
Speaker 2: I don't know how many, there were a bunch of them.
Speaker 2: I said, there's these little tiny vials and he said,
Speaker 2: get rid of it. And I said, how do I
Speaker 2: get rid of it? And he says, flush it down
Speaker 2: the toilet.
Speaker 3: I was like, okay.
Speaker 2: So the vials like they had that rubber that you
Speaker 2: can only put the needle in, like that little cap.
Speaker 3: You couldn't un twist it or anything. They were tiny.
Speaker 3: So I got a needle and I started extracting the jug,
Speaker 3: which I found out was Newbane after I read everything.
Speaker 3: It was Newbane. And I started squirting.
Speaker 2: I'm just spin all over the I'm squirting in the toilet,
Speaker 2: I'm scarting in the sink. I don't know how many
Speaker 2: vials I got rid of that evening, but I got
Speaker 2: rid of them.
Speaker 3: And I remember I sat next to Chris.
Speaker 2: I put my arms around him as he just rocked
Speaker 2: back and forth, and he, I mean, he was dripping
Speaker 2: in sweat, dripping in sweat.
Speaker 3: And I said to Paul, what do I do?
Speaker 2: And He's just like, just stay there until he falls
Speaker 2: asleep and then in the morning we'll go over and
Speaker 2: we'll get him. And I was like, okay, and that's
Speaker 2: what I did. I put him to bed.
Speaker 3: I waited, I waited, I waited, and.
Speaker 2: Then finally I went back to my room. I talked
Speaker 2: to Tammy and she was thank you, thank you, you know.
Speaker 2: And the next day he was fine. He was fine,
Speaker 2: and Bambam came to me and he said, you got
Speaker 2: rid of the stuff that was in the drawer and
Speaker 2: I go, yeah, and he put his head down. He
Speaker 2: shook his head and I said, what's the matter and
Speaker 2: he goes, it was mine.
Speaker 3: And I said, I didn't know what I said.
Speaker 2: Paul told me to get rid of it, and he said, well,
Speaker 2: it was four hundred dollars worth of I said, would
Speaker 2: you like my paycheck? I offered to give him my
Speaker 2: paycheck and he said no, that's okay, and he walked away,
Speaker 2: but his head was down.
Speaker 3: And I said to myself, my god, I was told
Speaker 3: to take care of him, and God, what if he
Speaker 3: would have died?
Speaker 2: Right?
Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like I didn't, I didn't
Speaker 3: know what to do.
Speaker 2: I wasn't for I'm not familiar with this type of addiction.
Speaker 2: So I literally I panicked. I was panicking, and I
Speaker 2: just I just did what I was supposed to do,
Speaker 2: you know, And like Bamban wasn't mad, but he kind
Speaker 2: of was just like but like he looked like he
Speaker 2: was super bummed. And I was like, I'll give you
Speaker 2: my I'll give you part of my paycheck to cover
Speaker 2: the cost.
Speaker 3: I said, you know, Paul told me to.
Speaker 2: Get rid of it, and he's like, no, it's right,
Speaker 2: and he knew it was for the better because if
Speaker 2: I if me or someone else didn't show up that night,
Speaker 2: and Chris continued to take that like God forbid, what.
Speaker 3: Would have happened, right, you know.
Speaker 2: And that's when I said to myself, something's wrong, like
Speaker 2: this isn't normal behavior, but it wasn't my place to
Speaker 2: step in. And I just told Chris, I said, look,
Speaker 2: we're here for you, but you scared me. And he's like, oh,
Speaker 2: don't worry about it, I'm fine, and he went and
Speaker 2: I remember we that was one of the only times
Speaker 2: I think we had, like we got on this tiny,
Speaker 2: tiny plane. I don't know if it was chart a
Speaker 2: chartered plane just for us, but it was one of
Speaker 2: those tiny ones that you take because the next down
Speaker 2: isn't like too far over. So it was mostly us
Speaker 2: on the plane, and he sat next to me on
Speaker 2: the plane and he was joking around and he was fine,
Speaker 2: And I'm just like, how do you bounce back from
Speaker 2: something like that so quickly?
Speaker 3: And that's why I said to myself, maybe like is
Speaker 3: this a pro or is this just.
Speaker 2: Oh my god, Maybe it just got a little too
Speaker 2: far one time it was an accident.
Speaker 3: I don't know, but apparently there was much more.
Speaker 2: Like even watching this back now, apparently there was much
Speaker 2: more to.
Speaker 3: It than I even knew existed back then.
Speaker 2: And you know, you don't want to be a stooge,
Speaker 2: you don't want to get your friends in trouble. Well,
Speaker 2: when Paul calls you and tells you to do something,
Speaker 2: you're gonna do it.
Speaker 3: And I you know, whether it would have.
Speaker 2: Been him or somebody else in that locker room, I
Speaker 2: would have did that for any one of them because
Speaker 2: they were my family. It was very difficult just to
Speaker 2: watch and because then all these thoughts came back in
Speaker 2: my head, and you know, I was there for a
Speaker 2: lot of this stuff between him and her, and it's
Speaker 2: just it was it was a lot.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish they gave them more time, But I
Speaker 1: don't wish they gave them more time because I wish
Speaker 1: they could have told more of the story, but only
Speaker 1: more of the story would have had more stories similar
Speaker 1: to what you're describing now.
Speaker 4: And I like where they kept the story.
Speaker 1: Again, I know it doesn't have a happy ending, but
Speaker 1: they kept it in a focus on Chris's life and
Speaker 1: Chris's passion for wrestling and his love of the business
Speaker 1: and just how the Dark Turn brought stuff down. But
Speaker 1: I wish they gave them more time to tell more
Speaker 1: of the story because they've given them two hours for
Speaker 1: other shows or ninety minutes. I just wish they got
Speaker 1: a little more time. And that's where that was a
Speaker 1: little unfortunate, because I mean it kind of went like, uh,
Speaker 1: he broke into he was running shows in the backyard,
Speaker 1: then he was in Smoking Mountain. Then one day he's
Speaker 1: in the WWF. Oh that was in ecw Oh, now.
Speaker 4: He's in Tnah.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they we did get We did did
Speaker 1: get one glimpse of the triple threat throwing up the
Speaker 1: triple threat symbol. We did get one brief little glimpse
Speaker 1: if you paused it, but they completely missed, uh when
Speaker 1: they were in WCW. Apparently that was not a good time.
Speaker 1: That was just no are with some of the worst.
Speaker 2: You would think they would bring that up because that's
Speaker 2: when they found the newbanees right, Allegedly Kim Page found
Speaker 2: the new bane in the in the bathroom stock.
Speaker 3: Right, and that's when it got fired.
Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that would be a huge part
Speaker 1: of the story, whether or not. You know, Tammy's you know,
Speaker 1: part of the story is saying that that wasn't mine,
Speaker 1: that wasn't hers.
Speaker 4: That's what she says.
Speaker 1: But still it's a part of the story that carries
Speaker 1: the narrative that they had these continuing problems that would
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Speaker 1: I do like that they brought up the Puerto Rico
Speaker 1: stuff because again, that's another vital part of the story
Speaker 1: because that's where he decided, no, we got to do
Speaker 1: the turnaround. And when he came back to the States,
Speaker 1: I remember it was like he came back like wildfire.
Speaker 1: Because again I grew up in Jersey and any weekend
Speaker 1: you could find.
Speaker 4: Chris on a show.
Speaker 1: You can find Bam Bam on a show in those
Speaker 1: two thousand and four two thousand and five year or
Speaker 1: two thousand and three two thousand and four years, and
Speaker 1: Chris was putting on those same shows that he was
Speaker 1: before he jumped to ww AF for Smoking Mountain or
Speaker 1: wherever he went.
Speaker 4: But I just felt that was my.
Speaker 1: One critique is that they just went boom boom boom
Speaker 1: from each place that he went. And I think they
Speaker 1: could have with that, with time being what it is,
Speaker 1: they could have pinpointed some specifics Innach territory.
Speaker 2: I helped run an all girls show in Texas the
Speaker 2: week before he died, and I booked Tammy on it
Speaker 2: and Chris came. Chris came with her and he wanted
Speaker 2: to work, and I said, it's an all girls show,
Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't care, and so he put
Speaker 2: I think it was Amy Lee. I think he put
Speaker 2: Primetime Amy Lee over because he just and I said, Chris,
Speaker 2: there's no budget, I don't care.
Speaker 3: I just want to work. He goes, I can't sit
Speaker 3: here and not do something, and he worked and he
Speaker 3: put her over. And that's the kind of guy Chris was.
Speaker 2: You know. The brother said it when when he started,
Speaker 2: and Johnny when he when Chris started, he would just
Speaker 2: drive the shows and even if he wasn't booked, he
Speaker 2: tried to get on them, and there was no payday.
Speaker 3: He just wanted to have fun because he loved the
Speaker 3: I'd never met a guy who loved the business as
Speaker 3: much as Chris Candido. Never in my life. Everything was wrestling.
Speaker 3: Everything was wrestling, and he wanted to make it fun
Speaker 3: and make it a good time. And I said it
Speaker 3: a million times. If you look at the Triple Threat,
Speaker 3: Chris was the comedy guy. Even though he could work
Speaker 3: his ass off and he could cut a promo, he
Speaker 3: was the comedy in that you know, trio of men
Speaker 3: and just made it so fun. One thing that stands out.
Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Cornett or mcfoley who
Speaker 2: said it, but they said the biggest addiction that Chris
Speaker 2: had was Tammy. Yes, okay, And that got me. That
Speaker 2: got me because you know, Tammy has had her share
Speaker 2: of suitors, whether they were broken up or not. I
Speaker 2: mean some people would argue the fact and say they
Speaker 2: were still together.
Speaker 3: She always had said no, we split.
Speaker 2: Up when I was with Sean or you know, but
Speaker 2: the other people that she was with, and you know,
Speaker 2: Chris just seemed to let it roll off his back,
Speaker 2: and that makes me sick to my stomach the way
Speaker 2: he just took it that I never understood. I understand
Speaker 2: you want to keep your your spot. I get that,
Speaker 2: but that's your girl, Like I don't. That part to me,
Speaker 2: like blows my mind. That dynamic with those two shit
Speaker 2: when they were good, they were so good and I
Speaker 2: loved them as a couple.
Speaker 3: But then you you.
Speaker 2: Go back and you see all that kind of stuff
Speaker 2: that she did and it's just like God, it was hard.
Speaker 3: It was just hard to digest that part for me.
Speaker 2: I don't that, I don't the infidelity like that, I don't,
Speaker 2: I don't know right under his nose. I've seen it
Speaker 2: where the wives or even the husbands are home and
Speaker 2: girls are and guys are doing their own thing. But god,
Speaker 2: you're on the road together.
Speaker 3: How could you?
Speaker 1: And the fact that those stories have been bannied about
Speaker 1: four years a thud when I got the internet in
Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. That was being talked about on the
Speaker 1: internet in nineteen ninety seven. Okay, and they were still
Speaker 1: very tam you still in the WWF, and Chris was
Speaker 1: still technically under contract to the WWF.
Speaker 3: But in ec.
Speaker 4: Amazing how.
Speaker 1: The narrative changed though, because when Chris was alive, they
Speaker 1: were still together on paper. When Chris passed away, that's
Speaker 1: when it was revealed, Oh no, we were on a break.
Speaker 1: So I don't you know, I'm obviously just as an outsider,
Speaker 1: we have to go by what we hear. I just
Speaker 1: can't believe how much of an outward he must have
Speaker 1: had nerves of steel to be able to hear that
Speaker 1: kind of stuff.
Speaker 4: And it wasn't just about Seaw Michaels.
Speaker 1: It was other people that were said and rumored for
Speaker 1: years that And look, I'm sure Chris, good looking dude,
Speaker 1: jack to the gills, he could have had anybody he wanted.
Speaker 3: I'm sure I've never heard.
Speaker 2: Of infidelities by Chris. I've never heard of it.
Speaker 3: Not one time. He was so in love with her,
Speaker 3: and I remember the guys used to be like, why
Speaker 3: why there's so many pretty girls out there? And that
Speaker 3: was part.
Speaker 2: I think that was part of like, you know, before
Speaker 2: she came over to ECW, I said this in other interviews,
Speaker 2: like I was warned about Tammy. You're not gonna like her,
Speaker 2: You're not going to get along, And I'm like, why not. Oh,
Speaker 2: she's very difficult to deal with her egos through the roof.
Speaker 3: She's this, she's that.
Speaker 2: And I never had a problem with Tammy never. I
Speaker 2: don't even think we've ever really had an argument. And
Speaker 2: I've known her. When did she come to the ECB.
Speaker 3: I don't even remember what year she so.
Speaker 1: I believe she technically gets there ninety eight.
Speaker 3: Okay, So I've known her since nineteen ninety eight.
Speaker 2: And everybody said, watch out, watch out, she's going to
Speaker 2: try to steal your spots. She's going to try to
Speaker 2: do this, she's going to try to bury you.
Speaker 3: Never never did she so in that.
Speaker 2: You know, I've never said a bad word about Tammy
Speaker 2: business wise, and she's been my friend for years, and
Speaker 2: everything that I've said, I've said to her face.
Speaker 3: I've set it to her face.
Speaker 1: Yes, you guys said that on camera to each other. Yeah,
Speaker 1: there's a shoot interview where you guys talked about stuff
Speaker 1: you've said to one another.
Speaker 4: You've you've talked about it in person. I want to
Speaker 4: just clarify one thing.
Speaker 1: Tammy did make appearances in ninety seven because she was
Speaker 1: there right next.
Speaker 4: To Paul Hayman helping time right.
Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so that's when I'm at her Okay, okay, Yeah.
Speaker 1: But she was not full time with ECW until ninety eight,
Speaker 1: So that's I just want to clarify that.
Speaker 4: Just Cambrane, as the timeline goes through my head.
Speaker 2: Well, whenever she came, we clicked from the beginning, and
Speaker 2: I said it before her. Chris, me and Shane would
Speaker 2: would go in like days early, or stay a couple
Speaker 2: of days after and make like if we went to
Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale, or if we went somewhere sunny with a beach,
Speaker 2: or we would like take it as an opportunity to vacation,
Speaker 2: you know, and just hang out and have a good time.
Speaker 2: And I never ever ever gotten any kind of arguments
Speaker 2: with her, uh, personally or professionally. She was a pleasure
Speaker 2: to work with. And I will say that and stand
Speaker 2: by that. I loved working with Tammy.
Speaker 3: Loved it.
Speaker 2: So everybody who told me she was a nightmare, I
Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, you know, you hear like I
Speaker 2: always hear things about people, But I'm the kind of
Speaker 2: person like I'll be on my toes, but I'm gonna
Speaker 2: judge you for how you treat me.
Speaker 3: And she never treated me poorly.
Speaker 2: And you know, to this day, I love Tammy, but
Speaker 2: I hate the person that she's become. So before anybody
Speaker 2: comes at me for saying, oh, she's a murderer, she's this,
Speaker 2: I know what she did and I hate that about her.
Speaker 3: I hate it. And the way.
Speaker 2: Things are looking, I will probably never speak to her again.
Speaker 2: And that breaks my heart. And it hurts me to
Speaker 2: see a girl who had the world by the balls
Speaker 2: and had everything in the palm of her hand, everything
Speaker 2: that she could want. She had a loyal boyfriend, a
Speaker 2: job where she was on TV and she was the
Speaker 2: focus of attention.
Speaker 3: She had the talent, she had, the charisma, she had
Speaker 3: the beauty, she.
Speaker 2: Had everything, and she made it all disappear because of
Speaker 2: freaking poor choices.
Speaker 3: You know, you correct mistakes. You can't keep making.
Speaker 2: This mistake over and over again and expected to you know,
Speaker 2: be Okay, how many times did she do this to herself?
Speaker 2: I can't give her a pass for that just because
Speaker 2: she's my friend and.
Speaker 3: I love her. I judge her by that now, and
Speaker 3: it infuriates me.
Speaker 2: It makes me so mad because I know the person
Speaker 2: she was before all this stuff happened. And I'm telling
Speaker 2: you right now, as soon as Chris passed away, downward spiral, I've.
Speaker 3: Seen such a change.
Speaker 2: And people, you know, like doctor Tom he wasn't fond
Speaker 2: of her, you know, when he was working with her,
Speaker 2: And I get that, but I didn't see that that
Speaker 2: side of Tammy. What I saw was a good person
Speaker 2: until Chris died, and she was still good to me.
Speaker 2: But her lifestyle changed her. You know, the men she
Speaker 2: was saying like, some of them were okay, but then
Speaker 2: there were a lot of them who.
Speaker 3: Were just straight up losers. And she started drinking heavily more.
Speaker 2: And it was it got to the point where I
Speaker 2: told her to her face, you have a problem. You
Speaker 2: need to get help. No, I'm fine, I can control it.
Speaker 2: I don't have a problem.
Speaker 3: And when I watched it and.
Speaker 2: They played the voice recording of her and she was laughing, Oh,
Speaker 2: seventy uys and she's laughing. I don't care if that's
Speaker 2: a nervous laugh or not. That is infuriating.
Speaker 3: I have kids.
Speaker 2: I'm on the road with my kids, taking them somewhere,
Speaker 2: and some asshole drunk driver hits me.
Speaker 3: God forbid, No, that's not okay one one time you
Speaker 3: do it.
Speaker 2: I mean it's it's not okay once. But she did
Speaker 2: it seven eight times.
Speaker 3: Come on, come on.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 2: I can't give her a pass for that because she's
Speaker 2: my friend. I love her, but I hate her at
Speaker 2: the same time. I hate I hate the person she's become.
Speaker 2: And I'll tell her that to her face too, she
Speaker 2: ever sees this, I will tell her that to her face.
Speaker 1: Well, when she came on with us, I mean she's
Speaker 1: telling us about how she had the best jobs and
Speaker 1: they loved her. Yeah, I mean she essentially never learned
Speaker 1: from the mistakes no.
Speaker 4: That she made.
Speaker 1: And then after she was on with us, we I
Speaker 1: think we had the last interview that she had.
Speaker 4: She might have done one.
Speaker 3: First, I know, we had the first one.
Speaker 1: We had, but then I think we had the last
Speaker 1: technically before everything happened with the incident with the driver
Speaker 1: that she hit, and she essentially learned nothing from that
Speaker 1: interview that we were conducting. I mean, it was jokey
Speaker 1: and it was this, and it was that, and it
Speaker 1: was amazing. But your your vigor has I mean, it's built.
Speaker 1: It's built over the years. You could just by knowing you.
Speaker 4: I've seen you. Know you you say the same thing,
Speaker 4: but I've seen it.
Speaker 1: Because like you said, that could be you or I
Speaker 1: in that car that that was struck.
Speaker 2: It's it's disgusting, it's disgusting. She had the money because
Speaker 2: of this only fans thing.
Speaker 3: That she was.
Speaker 4: She was dominated.
Speaker 3: She was making money hand over foot.
Speaker 2: She would text me because I was still talking to
Speaker 2: her this whole time. We were still friends. I was
Speaker 2: still talking to her. We had just done Russell Keid
Speaker 2: together and it was the first time that we ever
Speaker 2: roomed together, believe it or not, because she always roomed with,
Speaker 2: you know, Chris, she.
Speaker 3: Was only always on the road. She always roomed with Chris.
Speaker 3: This was the first time her and I shared a
Speaker 3: hotel room. We had the best weekend, not a drop
Speaker 3: of alcohol.
Speaker 2: I told her, I'm not going to drink in respect
Speaker 2: to you, because I you know, I don't want to,
Speaker 2: you know, entice anybody that can't control their liquor.
Speaker 3: So I and I don't have to drink when I'm
Speaker 3: on the road.
Speaker 2: You know, we ordered food, we watched TV, we laughed.
Speaker 2: You know, she was showing me her only fans page.
Speaker 2: She was showed me the guys that were on there.
Speaker 2: She was making so much freaking money. You mean to
Speaker 2: tell me, if you have to go somewhere, you can't
Speaker 2: call an uber to take you.
Speaker 3: You have to get in the freaking car drunk. No,
Speaker 3: I'm sorry.
Speaker 2: That is inexcusable and it's disgusting and it makes my
Speaker 2: stomach turn.
Speaker 3: And I would tell her that.
Speaker 1: If you don't mind, let me ask you a question
Speaker 1: on the timeline. What do you remember about Chris and
Speaker 1: Tammy's suspension for me?
Speaker 2: Cw I, I see, I don't really remember them not
Speaker 2: being around for that long. I know the part where
Speaker 2: they talked about the credit cards, like Chris always would
Speaker 2: tell me, oh my god, we bought this, we put
Speaker 2: the flates on our card, and now he's not given
Speaker 2: me any money, Like I remember living through that with
Speaker 2: them because we were all going through kind of similar situations.
Speaker 2: I don't know how much money he was owed.
Speaker 4: It was a lot, they it was a lot.
Speaker 3: It was a lot.
Speaker 1: Tammy gave the numbers on one of her shoot interviews
Speaker 1: and if that is the true number, and then.
Speaker 3: Over one hundred thousands.
Speaker 4: Oh no, it was more. It was Yeah.
Speaker 1: It was incredible because they ended up losing their their house,
Speaker 1: their dream house that they had in the around the
Speaker 1: area where I lived in Jersey, and the mom confirmed
Speaker 1: that they lost the house because of the credit card.
Speaker 3: Debt, right right, I do remember all of that.
Speaker 2: I remember when I remember being really angry when Tammy
Speaker 2: did the TNN peace. Yes, I feel like Paul exploited
Speaker 2: her and that that it shouldn't have happened. And I
Speaker 2: know it was for ratings, but I feel like he
Speaker 2: took advantage of her. I don't know what the leverage
Speaker 2: was with that, like you know, we'll get your job.
Speaker 2: Was it you'll get your job back if you do
Speaker 2: this for us, so to speak, or something like I
Speaker 2: don't to me, it was that was too much and
Speaker 2: she was so vulnerable and it was that was painful
Speaker 2: to watch. I didn't like seeing her in that light,
Speaker 2: so I think he I think he definitely took advantage
Speaker 2: of her in that situation.
Speaker 3: But I don't remember them not being maybe.
Speaker 2: Because I kept in touch with both of them, Like
Speaker 2: I was still talking because we were friends, so I
Speaker 2: was still talking to them. But I don't really know
Speaker 2: how long they were gone for, Like.
Speaker 1: It's more of a road suspension than it was overall
Speaker 1: because they were working technically in the office because of
Speaker 1: the flights.
Speaker 3: Yeah, but like how how long was it? Like I
Speaker 3: don't I don't know, I don't remember, but like I
Speaker 3: do know that like E.
Speaker 2: CW is where Chris shined. It's where he I mean,
Speaker 2: he was talented every run that he had, you know,
Speaker 2: pure talent. But I feel like in E CW. He
Speaker 2: was on top where he rightfully deserved it. I've said
Speaker 2: it a million times. I think that him and Shane
Speaker 2: should have you know, he should have turned heel or
Speaker 2: some I mean we were heels anyway, but he should
Speaker 2: have turned on Shane and had a run for the
Speaker 2: heavyweight belt.
Speaker 3: I think that we could have did so much, the
Speaker 3: four of us could.
Speaker 2: Have did so much with an angle like that and
Speaker 2: we teased it for a little bit, but it never really,
Speaker 2: nothing ever happened. So I just man, I just look
Speaker 2: back and it's just both of them so talented, so
Speaker 2: so talented, and to see him with that impact TNA
Speaker 2: footage and how happy he was and.
Speaker 3: How good he looked, and you know, that morning.
Speaker 2: That he passed away, I was I was just leaving
Speaker 2: my house. I lived in Delaware. I was going to
Speaker 2: the Philly airport. I had a gig in California. I
Speaker 2: had a flight in like two hours or something. I
Speaker 2: was just getting ready to get in the car and
Speaker 2: my phone rang and it was Tammy hysterical telling me
Speaker 2: Chris had died.
Speaker 3: And I just froze. I was like, why what? And
Speaker 3: She's like, he's gone, He's going.
Speaker 2: She was screaming into the phone, and I don't know
Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do.
Speaker 3: I like panicking. Can I come live with you? She
Speaker 3: has to live with me? I said, oh, Tammy, I
Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I don't know. You know.
Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to get on a plane right now.
Speaker 2: And to this day it breaks my heart that I
Speaker 2: did not get to.
Speaker 3: Go to his funeral.
Speaker 2: That that is a memory with me that I just
Speaker 2: can't like shake it, and.
Speaker 3: But you know I would two hours my flight.
Speaker 2: I had no idea, like if it would have happened before,
Speaker 2: I could have made.
Speaker 3: Plans and stuff.
Speaker 2: But that that always breaks my heart that I didn't
Speaker 2: get to go because I was away. You know, I
Speaker 2: was there for I don't know how long I was
Speaker 2: there for, but I was there when the funeral happened.
Speaker 2: And that was a hard one for me because I
Speaker 2: loved Chris with all my heart still do. I still do,
Speaker 2: and when I pray at night, I always include Chris
Speaker 2: and Louis in my prayers.
Speaker 3: Louis Pecoley.
Speaker 4: Always got a small glimpse of him as well.
Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Brad Bradford mashing on the way to the
Speaker 1: Ring with Skip again just I you know, for if
Speaker 1: you're a YouTube member, you saw our preview of Dark
Speaker 1: Side of the Ring, and you know, Francine has gone
Speaker 1: a record many times saying not a big fan of
Speaker 1: the series for the negative light that it has shed
Speaker 1: on many, many, many personalities and incidents throughout the history
Speaker 1: of wrestling. I tend to agree, although I have said
Speaker 1: that there are a few episodes I do like this one.
Speaker 1: I have to put at the top of the list,
Speaker 1: and I reached out. I said to Johnny Candido, I said,
Speaker 1: this was a wonderful put together piece, and I hope
Speaker 1: your family got what you guys wanted out of it,
Speaker 1: because I think it was well done and it was
Speaker 1: gripping and it was emotional, and I very I as
Speaker 1: a fan of Chris, was happy with how it was done.
Speaker 1: So I was hoping that they were as well, and
Speaker 1: it seems like they were. So it was, you know,
Speaker 1: again just just for I mean who they called. I mean,
Speaker 1: they talked to Lance, they talked to Cornett, they talked
Speaker 1: to the doctor. To the way they broke down, I mean,
Speaker 1: that was that was you couldn't you couldn't not be
Speaker 1: a human being and feel that emotion coming off the
Speaker 1: screen from from those guys, I mean, and then the
Speaker 1: field coming from you.
Speaker 4: The impact that he.
Speaker 1: Had on his his canadres and his his coworkers is unbelievable.
Speaker 4: His friends, That's what we'll say it.
Speaker 3: Yeah, And like watching that.
Speaker 2: To see Cornett break down like that, because you know,
Speaker 2: I'm not really familiar with Jim Cornett, right, I know,
Speaker 2: like I've seen his work obviously, but like the person
Speaker 2: Jim Cornett and everybody talks about his podcast and how
Speaker 2: he shits on everyone.
Speaker 3: And it was touching to see.
Speaker 2: Him break down like that because I've never seen that
Speaker 2: emotion from him before. So you can tell he generally
Speaker 2: loved Chris, and you know, he's the one that gave
Speaker 2: them their break, their start, and he always spoke highly
Speaker 2: of Chris, so that was nice to see. I was
Speaker 2: a little shocked that Shane wasn't involved with this project.
Speaker 2: I thought that he would be one of the guys
Speaker 2: that they would call to talk, but he wasn't.
Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't one of them.
Speaker 2: But the people that were selected, you know, knew him
Speaker 2: and loved him.
Speaker 3: And talked about him in positively.
Speaker 2: You're not going to meet I mean, I don't know
Speaker 2: if you'll ever meet anyone that talks about Chris in
Speaker 2: a negative way.
Speaker 3: You can't professionally. There's no way anybody.
Speaker 2: On this planet could talk about him negatively professionally because
Speaker 2: everything that he did was for the business. I mean,
Speaker 2: you saw that room when when his brother walked through
Speaker 2: the room, and the drawings and the pictures and the belt,
Speaker 2: and God, he loved the sport so much.
Speaker 3: You know, he just loved it and it killed him.
Speaker 3: It ultimately killed.
Speaker 2: Him if you think about it him.
Speaker 4: It was wrestling, Yeah, very true.
Speaker 1: Johnny told me all about the room and it's he said,
Speaker 1: it's kept the way it was left. Yeah, in that
Speaker 1: in their house, it is the way it was left,
Speaker 1: and that it's he calls it Chris's office, and it's
Speaker 1: the way it was left back then.
Speaker 4: And it's that what you can't you can't feel the.
Speaker 1: Impact that he left to somebody who knew him, but
Speaker 1: you can feel the impact that he left on an industry.
Speaker 1: And when something can immortalize it like a piece like that,
Speaker 1: that that'll never go away. And I hope that somebody
Speaker 1: last night watching it for the first time discovered Chris
Speaker 1: Candido and it is going to go back and watch matches,
Speaker 1: watch the good stuff, not focus on the you know,
Speaker 1: some of these things that weren't so great in life,
Speaker 1: but look at the stuff that he did.
Speaker 4: And and like Cornett said, he would.
Speaker 1: Still if he was active today, if he was still wrestling,
Speaker 1: which I'm sure he would have been because he wasn't
Speaker 1: that old, he would be one of.
Speaker 4: The top guys in the industry.
Speaker 2: He would be in the sport in some capacity, whether
Speaker 2: it would be as an active wrestler or a coach.
Speaker 2: I mean he would be He would have been a
Speaker 2: tremendous coach or agent. You know, he'd be somewhere definitely
Speaker 2: probably aew how would.
Speaker 3: Be my guess.
Speaker 2: He had so much knowledge and just been doing it
Speaker 2: for so long.
Speaker 4: But let me tell you.
Speaker 1: I'll give you a little context. And I mean, and
Speaker 1: I don't know if you know parts of the story.
Speaker 1: By about two thousand tuish two thousand and three, you know,
Speaker 1: the reputation had preceded him because of the association and
Speaker 1: because of the history with him and Tammy. He was
Speaker 1: trying to get back in with WWE and the trainer
Speaker 1: per you know role, and he was trying and basically
Speaker 1: was told like, look, you gotta prove it. You gotta
Speaker 1: show us that you're good, and if you're good, we'll
Speaker 1: bring you back. Because he was training guys. He was
Speaker 1: he was in that room when the rock was being
Speaker 1: broken in. You know, he was there early in ninety
Speaker 1: six when he was still an active guy on their roster.
Speaker 1: You know, when he was when he was hurt. You know,
Speaker 1: they basically transitioned him into helping train guys in like
Speaker 1: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, he could
Speaker 1: have been brought back, but unfortunately, because of the stigma
Speaker 1: there was at the time, he wasn't and that's a shame.
Speaker 4: And he could have been and built a huge, huge
Speaker 4: career out of that.
Speaker 3: His life would have been different because it wouldn't.
Speaker 2: He wouldn't have He would have been wrestling in TNA
Speaker 2: and broke his leg or his ankle. It's just, man,
Speaker 2: It's funny how life works.
Speaker 3: I just something like a doctor telling you, okay, don't
Speaker 3: get on that plane. Why did he get on the
Speaker 3: Why would why would he risk his life for one
Speaker 3: freaking show? You know what I mean? Like heel up,
Speaker 3: he was in his mind.
Speaker 2: He was probably like, you know, I'm in this angle
Speaker 2: and they're gonna push me and I need to be there.
Speaker 3: And god, they would have waited for him.
Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was mad.
Speaker 3: They would have waited.
Speaker 4: He was great.
Speaker 1: He was helping catapult that team. They became such like
Speaker 1: a great part of that Impact Show or whatever it
Speaker 1: was called at that time. And Tammy said, you know,
Speaker 1: he could have stayed at you know, and Shane said
Speaker 1: it to They could have stayed at Shane's place. They
Speaker 1: had plenty of friends in the Florida Orlando area, just
Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to get home, Jesus. So, if
Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to check it out, I'm
Speaker 1: sure they're rerunning it.
Speaker 4: I'm sure it's gonna pop up on YouTube. I'm sure
Speaker 4: it's on YouTube now. It is on YouTube.
Speaker 2: How many people put the episode up already, the whole episode, So.
Speaker 4: Do yourself a favorite check it out.
Speaker 2: It was just really really hard to watch, really really
Speaker 2: difficult to watch for me.
Speaker 3: I loved seeing him again.
Speaker 2: I loved seeing you know, the footage of them in
Speaker 2: the ring because he was so good.
Speaker 3: He was so good.
Speaker 2: Dare I say, hardly anyone better than Chris as an
Speaker 2: overall performer, Like he was just so freaking good.
Speaker 3: And just just a waste.
Speaker 2: Just makes me so angry, Like both of them just
Speaker 2: make me so freaking angry. It's just and I can't
Speaker 2: imagine what his mom is feeling watching that back, Like
Speaker 2: it's just horrible.
Speaker 3: It's just it's a horrible thing for a mother to
Speaker 3: lease their child. Sad Kah. I was dreading doing this today, Like, yeah,
Speaker 3: just dreading it. I knew I was gonna lose it.
Speaker 3: But I just I just loved I loved him.
Speaker 6: I love him mhm, and I love her, and I
Speaker 6: just I just.
Speaker 3: That's our that's from that's our picture, because I know
Speaker 3: that background.
Speaker 2: A m.
Speaker 3: Just makes me angry. It's terrible. He had so much
Speaker 3: more life to live and so much more to give.
Speaker 2: And people were saying he died a long time ago
Speaker 2: from a broken heart, and that.
Speaker 3: That makes me upset as well. I know how much
Speaker 3: he loved Tammy. I know it, and I do think
Speaker 3: that she loved him to an extent. Just god, it's
Speaker 3: just such a messed up story.
Speaker 2: I was just happy that I knew him, and you know,
Speaker 2: we had a very very strong bond and a good friendship,
Speaker 2: and I could remember us sitting around laughing, joking. You know,
Speaker 2: it went beyond being colleagues, and he was a dear
Speaker 2: friend of mine.
Speaker 3: I just I miss him. I think about him every day.
Speaker 3: I miss him.
Speaker 2: And when the mother said I wish I could have
Speaker 2: been there to help him like that broke my heart
Speaker 2: because there was nothing she could have did. I mean,
Speaker 2: the only thing that she could have did was comforted
Speaker 2: him and held his hand and said that she loved him.
Speaker 3: But she couldn't fit the situation.
Speaker 1: Heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking. Again. Please, if you haven't seen it,
Speaker 1: go check it out and do yourself a favorite. Educate
Speaker 1: yourself on Chris's career and watch a match or two
Speaker 1: and see what he left on the business, because it's
Speaker 1: a very strong impact. So if there's nothing else to add, Francine,
Speaker 1: I'll wrap it up for you and we'll catch you
Speaker 1: next time on Eyes up here for the Queen of Extreme,
Speaker 1: says the Chancellor.
Speaker 4: No gimmicks needed,