1 00:00:02,360 --> 00:00:06,200 Speaker 1: All right, let's get in here today, and eyes up here. 2 00:00:06,640 --> 00:00:09,520 Speaker 1: It's an eyes up here YouTube of extra. It's eyes 3 00:00:09,600 --> 00:00:12,480 Speaker 1: up here on the Creedive controlment, working audio form, it's 4 00:00:12,480 --> 00:00:16,880 Speaker 1: eyes up here everywhere, but eyes up here directly between 5 00:00:16,960 --> 00:00:18,919 Speaker 1: me and the Chad sir, of course, and you, the 6 00:00:19,040 --> 00:00:25,120 Speaker 1: Queen of Extreme Franzine, as we stettle in to discuss 7 00:00:25,760 --> 00:00:28,840 Speaker 1: topic that we've been building up for the last two 8 00:00:28,960 --> 00:00:31,920 Speaker 1: or three weeks, Dark Side of the Ring, Season four, 9 00:00:32,760 --> 00:00:36,879 Speaker 1: talking about somebody you know very very well, somebody near 10 00:00:36,920 --> 00:00:40,400 Speaker 1: and dear to your heart. I'm dying to get your 11 00:00:40,400 --> 00:00:44,240 Speaker 1: thoughts on the episode one and only, Chris Candida. But 12 00:00:44,400 --> 00:00:46,239 Speaker 1: before we get involved, how are you. 13 00:00:46,280 --> 00:00:51,280 Speaker 2: Doing this morning? I mean, I've been better. I have 14 00:00:51,400 --> 00:00:57,400 Speaker 2: been crying this morning. I was hoping to go into 15 00:00:57,480 --> 00:01:02,600 Speaker 2: this episode like like, oh, it's this celebration of his. 16 00:01:02,480 --> 00:01:04,679 Speaker 3: Life and and all this stuff, you know, like. 17 00:01:04,640 --> 00:01:10,240 Speaker 2: A positive thing, which I thought they showed him in 18 00:01:10,280 --> 00:01:14,640 Speaker 2: a very good light. But it was hard to like 19 00:01:14,840 --> 00:01:18,080 Speaker 2: relive a lot of those moments because for a lot 20 00:01:18,080 --> 00:01:22,720 Speaker 2: of them, I was there and I saw a lot 21 00:01:22,760 --> 00:01:27,440 Speaker 2: of things happened to him and to her, So it 22 00:01:27,520 --> 00:01:31,920 Speaker 2: was difficult for me to sit through that you know, 23 00:01:31,920 --> 00:01:37,000 Speaker 2: without feeling some kind of emotion, and it's it's it 24 00:01:37,440 --> 00:01:40,920 Speaker 2: just makes me so upset because like he again and 25 00:01:40,920 --> 00:01:43,399 Speaker 2: and it'll lead to this in the discussion, but he 26 00:01:43,520 --> 00:01:46,959 Speaker 2: was so young and so full of life. And what 27 00:01:47,080 --> 00:01:51,440 Speaker 2: was so heartbreaking was not only like his brother's take 28 00:01:51,480 --> 00:01:55,400 Speaker 2: on it, but his mother. A parent should never have to, 29 00:01:55,880 --> 00:01:59,280 Speaker 2: you know, bury their child, and it was it was 30 00:01:59,360 --> 00:02:03,440 Speaker 2: just so hard to watch for me. It's just really 31 00:02:03,440 --> 00:02:05,040 Speaker 2: really difficult to watch. 32 00:02:08,919 --> 00:02:13,280 Speaker 1: As somebody who you can say was universally loved. And 33 00:02:13,320 --> 00:02:16,560 Speaker 1: we saw the emotion from everyone that they spoke with 34 00:02:17,120 --> 00:02:21,280 Speaker 1: about Chris and what he left legacy wise in the 35 00:02:21,320 --> 00:02:24,440 Speaker 1: business and just the impact he had on people and 36 00:02:24,720 --> 00:02:26,880 Speaker 1: just from being around you and Shane over the last 37 00:02:26,919 --> 00:02:28,720 Speaker 1: six years, I've felt it. 38 00:02:29,400 --> 00:02:31,000 Speaker 4: And I saw him at shows. 39 00:02:30,680 --> 00:02:32,920 Speaker 1: That from Afar, I saw my conventions from Afar, But 40 00:02:33,240 --> 00:02:35,760 Speaker 1: just to see the impact he made on you guys 41 00:02:36,080 --> 00:02:39,000 Speaker 1: has been fascinating and piecing it all together, you can't 42 00:02:39,040 --> 00:02:41,880 Speaker 1: help but feel your emotion come through that screen. 43 00:02:42,800 --> 00:02:43,600 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was. 44 00:02:45,320 --> 00:02:48,040 Speaker 2: We you know, we had a lot of good times, 45 00:02:48,320 --> 00:02:52,960 Speaker 2: but I looked back and I was reliving, like some 46 00:02:53,000 --> 00:02:56,799 Speaker 2: of the things that I saw him do that in 47 00:02:56,840 --> 00:03:01,240 Speaker 2: that moment I thought he had control and so I didn't, 48 00:03:01,440 --> 00:03:05,000 Speaker 2: like I think it was that big of a deal, 49 00:03:05,040 --> 00:03:09,919 Speaker 2: but it was. And there's a lot of things I've 50 00:03:09,960 --> 00:03:13,119 Speaker 2: never discussed before because I, you know, I don't want 51 00:03:13,120 --> 00:03:16,200 Speaker 2: to be that one person who breaks k fabe and 52 00:03:16,280 --> 00:03:19,560 Speaker 2: talks about people's drug addictions or alcohol problems. 53 00:03:19,800 --> 00:03:20,680 Speaker 3: But it's out there. 54 00:03:21,120 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: You know, it's out there and it's known, and I've 55 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: seen Chris do a lot of things, you know, like, uh, 56 00:03:30,080 --> 00:03:34,640 Speaker 2: I've never been a drug person. I've said this before, 57 00:03:34,680 --> 00:03:38,240 Speaker 2: Like I've taken like a pill here and there. I 58 00:03:38,680 --> 00:03:41,480 Speaker 2: was on Delauded when I broke my hip, so I 59 00:03:41,560 --> 00:03:45,320 Speaker 2: know the feeling that you get from these pills, but 60 00:03:45,480 --> 00:03:48,440 Speaker 2: thank the Lord above, I've never got to the point 61 00:03:48,440 --> 00:03:51,160 Speaker 2: where I was addicted. You know. The delaud it was 62 00:03:51,200 --> 00:03:53,280 Speaker 2: the first, I think and only time I was ever 63 00:03:53,440 --> 00:03:58,600 Speaker 2: prescribed any type of medication like that. And uh, at 64 00:03:58,680 --> 00:04:02,000 Speaker 2: the time, I needed it because the pain was excruciating. 65 00:04:02,560 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 3: With these guys go through and girls, with what they 66 00:04:05,360 --> 00:04:06,440 Speaker 3: go through every. 67 00:04:06,240 --> 00:04:11,200 Speaker 2: Night, you can't imagine the feeling that your body goes 68 00:04:11,240 --> 00:04:12,080 Speaker 2: through because. 69 00:04:11,840 --> 00:04:13,680 Speaker 3: It is not I don't care what anybody's it is 70 00:04:13,720 --> 00:04:16,640 Speaker 3: not normal. Even though you're training. It is not normal 71 00:04:16,720 --> 00:04:17,239 Speaker 3: to put. 72 00:04:17,040 --> 00:04:21,120 Speaker 2: Your body through that pain and through that uh you know, 73 00:04:21,279 --> 00:04:24,000 Speaker 2: process of bumping each and every single night. 74 00:04:24,080 --> 00:04:28,640 Speaker 3: Like, it's not normal. It creates trauma to the body. 75 00:04:28,680 --> 00:04:31,320 Speaker 3: It's damage. So I understand that. 76 00:04:31,320 --> 00:04:36,000 Speaker 2: A lot of these guys got like addicted to the pills, 77 00:04:36,400 --> 00:04:40,520 Speaker 2: the drugs. However, the you know, there was not only 78 00:04:40,600 --> 00:04:43,240 Speaker 2: the Soma's, but like there was cocaine use. 79 00:04:46,160 --> 00:04:49,480 Speaker 3: I like, I remember one time we were going. 80 00:04:49,279 --> 00:04:51,840 Speaker 2: To the one of the shows and I got out 81 00:04:51,880 --> 00:04:54,480 Speaker 2: of the car and I knocked on Chris's door and 82 00:04:54,560 --> 00:04:58,919 Speaker 2: he was he had something in his hand and he 83 00:04:59,000 --> 00:05:04,520 Speaker 2: was rubbing in against his gum vigorously rubbing it. I said, 84 00:05:04,520 --> 00:05:07,120 Speaker 2: what are you doing. I didn't know what that was, 85 00:05:07,279 --> 00:05:10,360 Speaker 2: and it was it was a rock of cocaine and 86 00:05:10,720 --> 00:05:13,400 Speaker 2: apparently you get high when you rub it against your 87 00:05:13,400 --> 00:05:15,760 Speaker 2: gum line. Like I didn't know any of that stuff, 88 00:05:16,640 --> 00:05:20,920 Speaker 2: you know, And at the time, I was just like, oh, okay, 89 00:05:20,160 --> 00:05:22,279 Speaker 2: I was young, I was naive. 90 00:05:22,360 --> 00:05:23,719 Speaker 3: I didn't know what it did to you. 91 00:05:23,839 --> 00:05:26,760 Speaker 2: I didn't try it, you know, it wasn't my deal, 92 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:29,040 Speaker 2: and I just went about my way. I said, well, 93 00:05:30,200 --> 00:05:34,919 Speaker 2: he performs every single night, solid is there anything to 94 00:05:34,920 --> 00:05:37,200 Speaker 2: worry about with him. I don't think so that was 95 00:05:37,240 --> 00:05:42,799 Speaker 2: my mind set. You know, one night he took horse tranquilizer. 96 00:05:44,080 --> 00:05:47,800 Speaker 2: He was on the roof of the building and we 97 00:05:47,800 --> 00:05:49,440 Speaker 2: thought he was going to jump off the roof. 98 00:05:51,080 --> 00:05:54,120 Speaker 3: I so many things that I look back and I'm 99 00:05:54,160 --> 00:05:57,360 Speaker 3: just like Jesus, like all this stuff. 100 00:05:57,400 --> 00:06:01,560 Speaker 2: And then he dies, like Cornette said, he breaks his 101 00:06:01,600 --> 00:06:03,400 Speaker 2: ankle and it's a blood clot. 102 00:06:03,520 --> 00:06:07,560 Speaker 3: And why the hell did he get on that plane. 103 00:06:07,880 --> 00:06:10,280 Speaker 2: Why if he didn't do it, he would have been alive, 104 00:06:10,600 --> 00:06:12,800 Speaker 2: hopefully because he was straightened in his life. 105 00:06:12,880 --> 00:06:18,400 Speaker 3: Yeah, it was just so terrible, terrible to watch. 106 00:06:21,040 --> 00:06:24,920 Speaker 2: And uh, there's another story I've never I don't think 107 00:06:24,960 --> 00:06:28,960 Speaker 2: I've told this publicly. This affected me, and I think 108 00:06:28,960 --> 00:06:34,400 Speaker 2: it made him and I a lot closer. I was 109 00:06:34,440 --> 00:06:39,839 Speaker 2: at my hotel one night. I feel like, I'm not 110 00:06:40,080 --> 00:06:42,599 Speaker 2: doing this to bury him. I'm just I'm just telling 111 00:06:42,600 --> 00:06:48,000 Speaker 2: you my like my experiences with him and her. I 112 00:06:48,040 --> 00:06:52,240 Speaker 2: get a phone call from Paul Hayman and he tells 113 00:06:52,279 --> 00:06:55,200 Speaker 2: me you need to go over to Chris Candido's room. 114 00:06:57,320 --> 00:06:59,520 Speaker 2: And I said, what's going on? And he said, I 115 00:06:59,520 --> 00:07:02,960 Speaker 2: think he's a dating I was like, what what? 116 00:07:03,640 --> 00:07:08,039 Speaker 3: And I'm thinking where where where Shane? Where's Bambam? Like? 117 00:07:08,320 --> 00:07:11,480 Speaker 3: Why am I getting this phone call? Please go help him? 118 00:07:11,680 --> 00:07:13,720 Speaker 3: I get so I'm like, okay. 119 00:07:13,760 --> 00:07:16,240 Speaker 2: So I had to get on a shuttle because I 120 00:07:16,280 --> 00:07:18,240 Speaker 2: wasn't at the same hotel for some reason, but they 121 00:07:18,280 --> 00:07:21,760 Speaker 2: were close by and the I asked the shuttle, can 122 00:07:21,800 --> 00:07:25,080 Speaker 2: you take me? And he took me and I went 123 00:07:26,360 --> 00:07:29,640 Speaker 2: and I walked into the room and I found Chris 124 00:07:29,960 --> 00:07:33,480 Speaker 2: on the bed in the fetal position, just rocking back 125 00:07:33,560 --> 00:07:36,840 Speaker 2: and forth, back and forth, covered. 126 00:07:36,760 --> 00:07:41,400 Speaker 3: In sweat, and I said, what did you take? What 127 00:07:41,760 --> 00:07:42,000 Speaker 3: you know? 128 00:07:42,480 --> 00:07:45,600 Speaker 2: And my heart is pounding. And with that the phone rings. 129 00:07:45,640 --> 00:07:48,600 Speaker 2: His phone rings. I pick it up and it's Tammy 130 00:07:49,400 --> 00:07:51,760 Speaker 2: and she says, you are the only girl that I 131 00:07:51,920 --> 00:07:54,560 Speaker 2: trust to do this. Please help him, Please help him, 132 00:07:54,560 --> 00:07:56,920 Speaker 2: because she wasn't with us at the time, she wasn't there. 133 00:07:57,880 --> 00:08:00,560 Speaker 3: And I said okay, and she said, Paul's going to 134 00:08:00,600 --> 00:08:03,120 Speaker 3: call back. So all called back. I didn't know what 135 00:08:03,160 --> 00:08:03,360 Speaker 3: to do. 136 00:08:03,440 --> 00:08:05,640 Speaker 2: I was panicking. I was in a panic. I was crying. 137 00:08:06,160 --> 00:08:09,600 Speaker 2: And Paul said, check every drawer, check the room, check 138 00:08:09,680 --> 00:08:14,240 Speaker 2: under the bed, check under the mattress, checking everything. I 139 00:08:14,280 --> 00:08:17,360 Speaker 2: opened one of the drawers and I found a bunch 140 00:08:17,440 --> 00:08:22,600 Speaker 2: of needles, and I found these little vials. I didn't 141 00:08:22,600 --> 00:08:28,040 Speaker 2: know what they were, and I said, Paul, I found, like, 142 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:30,600 Speaker 2: I don't know how many, there were a bunch of them. 143 00:08:30,760 --> 00:08:33,640 Speaker 2: I said, there's these little tiny vials and he said, 144 00:08:33,640 --> 00:08:36,880 Speaker 2: get rid of it. And I said, how do I 145 00:08:36,920 --> 00:08:38,439 Speaker 2: get rid of it? And he says, flush it down 146 00:08:38,480 --> 00:08:38,959 Speaker 2: the toilet. 147 00:08:39,840 --> 00:08:41,560 Speaker 3: I was like, okay. 148 00:08:41,679 --> 00:08:45,640 Speaker 2: So the vials like they had that rubber that you 149 00:08:45,640 --> 00:08:47,920 Speaker 2: can only put the needle in, like that little cap. 150 00:08:47,960 --> 00:08:51,280 Speaker 3: You couldn't un twist it or anything. They were tiny. 151 00:08:51,480 --> 00:08:55,960 Speaker 3: So I got a needle and I started extracting the jug, 152 00:08:56,000 --> 00:08:59,280 Speaker 3: which I found out was Newbane after I read everything. 153 00:08:59,280 --> 00:09:03,880 Speaker 3: It was Newbane. And I started squirting. 154 00:09:02,480 --> 00:09:07,160 Speaker 2: I'm just spin all over the I'm squirting in the toilet, 155 00:09:07,160 --> 00:09:09,840 Speaker 2: I'm scarting in the sink. I don't know how many 156 00:09:09,960 --> 00:09:12,320 Speaker 2: vials I got rid of that evening, but I got 157 00:09:12,440 --> 00:09:12,920 Speaker 2: rid of them. 158 00:09:14,080 --> 00:09:16,600 Speaker 3: And I remember I sat next to Chris. 159 00:09:16,640 --> 00:09:18,720 Speaker 2: I put my arms around him as he just rocked 160 00:09:18,760 --> 00:09:20,840 Speaker 2: back and forth, and he, I mean, he was dripping 161 00:09:20,880 --> 00:09:22,640 Speaker 2: in sweat, dripping in sweat. 162 00:09:23,679 --> 00:09:25,920 Speaker 3: And I said to Paul, what do I do? 163 00:09:26,000 --> 00:09:28,040 Speaker 2: And He's just like, just stay there until he falls 164 00:09:28,040 --> 00:09:31,400 Speaker 2: asleep and then in the morning we'll go over and 165 00:09:31,440 --> 00:09:34,240 Speaker 2: we'll get him. And I was like, okay, and that's 166 00:09:34,280 --> 00:09:35,720 Speaker 2: what I did. I put him to bed. 167 00:09:35,800 --> 00:09:37,439 Speaker 3: I waited, I waited, I waited, and. 168 00:09:37,400 --> 00:09:40,600 Speaker 2: Then finally I went back to my room. I talked 169 00:09:40,600 --> 00:09:42,840 Speaker 2: to Tammy and she was thank you, thank you, you know. 170 00:09:42,960 --> 00:09:48,319 Speaker 2: And the next day he was fine. He was fine, 171 00:09:49,720 --> 00:09:54,400 Speaker 2: and Bambam came to me and he said, you got 172 00:09:54,520 --> 00:09:57,360 Speaker 2: rid of the stuff that was in the drawer and 173 00:09:57,400 --> 00:10:00,160 Speaker 2: I go, yeah, and he put his head down. He 174 00:10:00,160 --> 00:10:04,480 Speaker 2: shook his head and I said, what's the matter and 175 00:10:04,480 --> 00:10:05,840 Speaker 2: he goes, it was mine. 176 00:10:08,040 --> 00:10:10,920 Speaker 3: And I said, I didn't know what I said. 177 00:10:10,960 --> 00:10:13,200 Speaker 2: Paul told me to get rid of it, and he said, well, 178 00:10:13,240 --> 00:10:16,240 Speaker 2: it was four hundred dollars worth of I said, would 179 00:10:16,240 --> 00:10:19,560 Speaker 2: you like my paycheck? I offered to give him my 180 00:10:19,600 --> 00:10:22,840 Speaker 2: paycheck and he said no, that's okay, and he walked away, 181 00:10:22,840 --> 00:10:23,880 Speaker 2: but his head was down. 182 00:10:24,559 --> 00:10:27,720 Speaker 3: And I said to myself, my god, I was told 183 00:10:29,400 --> 00:10:31,839 Speaker 3: to take care of him, and God, what if he 184 00:10:31,880 --> 00:10:32,520 Speaker 3: would have died? 185 00:10:33,040 --> 00:10:33,160 Speaker 2: Right? 186 00:10:33,440 --> 00:10:34,880 Speaker 3: You know what I mean? Like I didn't, I didn't 187 00:10:34,920 --> 00:10:35,480 Speaker 3: know what to do. 188 00:10:35,559 --> 00:10:39,600 Speaker 2: I wasn't for I'm not familiar with this type of addiction. 189 00:10:40,000 --> 00:10:44,040 Speaker 2: So I literally I panicked. I was panicking, and I 190 00:10:44,160 --> 00:10:46,120 Speaker 2: just I just did what I was supposed to do, 191 00:10:46,720 --> 00:10:49,840 Speaker 2: you know, And like Bamban wasn't mad, but he kind 192 00:10:49,840 --> 00:10:51,680 Speaker 2: of was just like but like he looked like he 193 00:10:51,720 --> 00:10:54,840 Speaker 2: was super bummed. And I was like, I'll give you 194 00:10:54,880 --> 00:10:57,319 Speaker 2: my I'll give you part of my paycheck to cover 195 00:10:57,400 --> 00:10:57,800 Speaker 2: the cost. 196 00:10:57,880 --> 00:10:59,240 Speaker 3: I said, you know, Paul told me to. 197 00:10:59,200 --> 00:11:00,880 Speaker 2: Get rid of it, and he's like, no, it's right, 198 00:11:00,920 --> 00:11:02,760 Speaker 2: and he knew it was for the better because if 199 00:11:02,760 --> 00:11:06,000 Speaker 2: I if me or someone else didn't show up that night, 200 00:11:06,040 --> 00:11:08,720 Speaker 2: and Chris continued to take that like God forbid, what. 201 00:11:08,640 --> 00:11:10,760 Speaker 3: Would have happened, right, you know. 202 00:11:11,280 --> 00:11:15,120 Speaker 2: And that's when I said to myself, something's wrong, like 203 00:11:15,200 --> 00:11:19,240 Speaker 2: this isn't normal behavior, but it wasn't my place to 204 00:11:19,360 --> 00:11:21,920 Speaker 2: step in. And I just told Chris, I said, look, 205 00:11:21,920 --> 00:11:26,160 Speaker 2: we're here for you, but you scared me. And he's like, oh, 206 00:11:26,200 --> 00:11:28,600 Speaker 2: don't worry about it, I'm fine, and he went and 207 00:11:28,720 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 2: I remember we that was one of the only times 208 00:11:31,280 --> 00:11:34,120 Speaker 2: I think we had, like we got on this tiny, 209 00:11:34,200 --> 00:11:37,280 Speaker 2: tiny plane. I don't know if it was chart a 210 00:11:37,360 --> 00:11:39,200 Speaker 2: chartered plane just for us, but it was one of 211 00:11:39,240 --> 00:11:41,840 Speaker 2: those tiny ones that you take because the next down 212 00:11:41,960 --> 00:11:44,480 Speaker 2: isn't like too far over. So it was mostly us 213 00:11:44,559 --> 00:11:47,240 Speaker 2: on the plane, and he sat next to me on 214 00:11:47,280 --> 00:11:51,920 Speaker 2: the plane and he was joking around and he was fine, 215 00:11:52,080 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: And I'm just like, how do you bounce back from 216 00:11:54,880 --> 00:11:56,319 Speaker 2: something like that so quickly? 217 00:11:56,960 --> 00:11:59,559 Speaker 3: And that's why I said to myself, maybe like is 218 00:11:59,600 --> 00:12:01,480 Speaker 3: this a pro or is this just. 219 00:12:01,559 --> 00:12:04,200 Speaker 2: Oh my god, Maybe it just got a little too 220 00:12:04,240 --> 00:12:06,000 Speaker 2: far one time it was an accident. 221 00:12:06,080 --> 00:12:08,880 Speaker 3: I don't know, but apparently there was much more. 222 00:12:09,000 --> 00:12:13,600 Speaker 2: Like even watching this back now, apparently there was much 223 00:12:13,640 --> 00:12:14,200 Speaker 2: more to. 224 00:12:14,160 --> 00:12:17,960 Speaker 3: It than I even knew existed back then. 225 00:12:19,320 --> 00:12:21,119 Speaker 2: And you know, you don't want to be a stooge, 226 00:12:21,559 --> 00:12:23,800 Speaker 2: you don't want to get your friends in trouble. Well, 227 00:12:23,840 --> 00:12:26,679 Speaker 2: when Paul calls you and tells you to do something, 228 00:12:26,720 --> 00:12:27,680 Speaker 2: you're gonna do it. 229 00:12:27,800 --> 00:12:29,959 Speaker 3: And I you know, whether it would have. 230 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:31,800 Speaker 2: Been him or somebody else in that locker room, I 231 00:12:31,800 --> 00:12:33,920 Speaker 2: would have did that for any one of them because 232 00:12:33,960 --> 00:12:38,679 Speaker 2: they were my family. It was very difficult just to 233 00:12:38,840 --> 00:12:41,280 Speaker 2: watch and because then all these thoughts came back in 234 00:12:41,320 --> 00:12:44,760 Speaker 2: my head, and you know, I was there for a 235 00:12:44,800 --> 00:12:46,880 Speaker 2: lot of this stuff between him and her, and it's 236 00:12:46,960 --> 00:12:48,640 Speaker 2: just it was it was a lot. 237 00:12:49,760 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: Yeah, I wish they gave them more time, But I 238 00:12:52,840 --> 00:12:54,840 Speaker 1: don't wish they gave them more time because I wish 239 00:12:54,920 --> 00:12:56,800 Speaker 1: they could have told more of the story, but only 240 00:12:56,800 --> 00:12:59,080 Speaker 1: more of the story would have had more stories similar 241 00:12:59,200 --> 00:13:00,720 Speaker 1: to what you're describing now. 242 00:13:01,160 --> 00:13:03,360 Speaker 4: And I like where they kept the story. 243 00:13:04,240 --> 00:13:06,920 Speaker 1: Again, I know it doesn't have a happy ending, but 244 00:13:06,960 --> 00:13:11,120 Speaker 1: they kept it in a focus on Chris's life and 245 00:13:11,200 --> 00:13:14,080 Speaker 1: Chris's passion for wrestling and his love of the business 246 00:13:14,440 --> 00:13:18,280 Speaker 1: and just how the Dark Turn brought stuff down. But 247 00:13:18,360 --> 00:13:20,480 Speaker 1: I wish they gave them more time to tell more 248 00:13:20,640 --> 00:13:23,800 Speaker 1: of the story because they've given them two hours for 249 00:13:23,840 --> 00:13:26,240 Speaker 1: other shows or ninety minutes. I just wish they got 250 00:13:26,280 --> 00:13:28,760 Speaker 1: a little more time. And that's where that was a 251 00:13:28,800 --> 00:13:32,079 Speaker 1: little unfortunate, because I mean it kind of went like, uh, 252 00:13:32,120 --> 00:13:34,600 Speaker 1: he broke into he was running shows in the backyard, 253 00:13:34,679 --> 00:13:36,719 Speaker 1: then he was in Smoking Mountain. Then one day he's 254 00:13:36,720 --> 00:13:39,360 Speaker 1: in the WWF. Oh that was in ecw Oh, now. 255 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:40,840 Speaker 4: He's in Tnah. 256 00:13:41,320 --> 00:13:43,839 Speaker 1: Yeah, I mean they we did get We did did 257 00:13:43,880 --> 00:13:46,199 Speaker 1: get one glimpse of the triple threat throwing up the 258 00:13:47,200 --> 00:13:50,680 Speaker 1: triple threat symbol. We did get one brief little glimpse 259 00:13:50,720 --> 00:13:54,760 Speaker 1: if you paused it, but they completely missed, uh when 260 00:13:54,760 --> 00:13:58,240 Speaker 1: they were in WCW. Apparently that was not a good time. 261 00:13:58,360 --> 00:14:01,680 Speaker 1: That was just no are with some of the worst. 262 00:14:02,040 --> 00:14:04,200 Speaker 2: You would think they would bring that up because that's 263 00:14:04,240 --> 00:14:08,439 Speaker 2: when they found the newbanees right, Allegedly Kim Page found 264 00:14:08,440 --> 00:14:11,079 Speaker 2: the new bane in the in the bathroom stock. 265 00:14:10,920 --> 00:14:12,440 Speaker 3: Right, and that's when it got fired. 266 00:14:12,640 --> 00:14:14,520 Speaker 1: Yeah, I would think that would be a huge part 267 00:14:14,559 --> 00:14:17,480 Speaker 1: of the story, whether or not. You know, Tammy's you know, 268 00:14:18,160 --> 00:14:20,400 Speaker 1: part of the story is saying that that wasn't mine, 269 00:14:20,480 --> 00:14:21,640 Speaker 1: that wasn't hers. 270 00:14:21,360 --> 00:14:22,160 Speaker 4: That's what she says. 271 00:14:23,000 --> 00:14:25,680 Speaker 1: But still it's a part of the story that carries 272 00:14:25,720 --> 00:14:29,200 Speaker 1: the narrative that they had these continuing problems that would 273 00:14:29,200 --> 00:14:32,400 Speaker 1: follow them. All Right, Francine, we're getting back in here 274 00:14:32,440 --> 00:14:35,520 Speaker 1: with Isaac here and we're talking about native sunscreen. 275 00:14:35,880 --> 00:14:38,920 Speaker 2: Yeah, native sunscreen has been great. You know, we're talking 276 00:14:38,960 --> 00:14:41,720 Speaker 2: earlier that it's been kind of chilly, and I use 277 00:14:41,880 --> 00:14:44,640 Speaker 2: sunscreen all year round. 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Native d eo dot com 326 00:17:14,640 --> 00:17:18,320 Speaker 2: slash fran scene or use the promo code fran scene 327 00:17:18,840 --> 00:17:21,000 Speaker 2: and tell them is a here sent you. 328 00:17:51,680 --> 00:17:53,560 Speaker 1: I do like that they brought up the Puerto Rico 329 00:17:53,960 --> 00:17:56,160 Speaker 1: stuff because again, that's another vital part of the story 330 00:17:56,160 --> 00:17:58,840 Speaker 1: because that's where he decided, no, we got to do 331 00:17:58,880 --> 00:18:01,800 Speaker 1: the turnaround. And when he came back to the States, 332 00:18:02,000 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 1: I remember it was like he came back like wildfire. 333 00:18:04,720 --> 00:18:08,960 Speaker 1: Because again I grew up in Jersey and any weekend 334 00:18:09,000 --> 00:18:09,960 Speaker 1: you could find. 335 00:18:09,840 --> 00:18:10,640 Speaker 4: Chris on a show. 336 00:18:10,680 --> 00:18:12,639 Speaker 1: You can find Bam Bam on a show in those 337 00:18:13,320 --> 00:18:16,040 Speaker 1: two thousand and four two thousand and five year or 338 00:18:16,040 --> 00:18:18,800 Speaker 1: two thousand and three two thousand and four years, and 339 00:18:18,920 --> 00:18:21,240 Speaker 1: Chris was putting on those same shows that he was 340 00:18:21,320 --> 00:18:24,159 Speaker 1: before he jumped to ww AF for Smoking Mountain or 341 00:18:24,160 --> 00:18:24,800 Speaker 1: wherever he went. 342 00:18:25,160 --> 00:18:26,280 Speaker 4: But I just felt that was my. 343 00:18:26,359 --> 00:18:29,160 Speaker 1: One critique is that they just went boom boom boom 344 00:18:29,200 --> 00:18:31,040 Speaker 1: from each place that he went. And I think they 345 00:18:31,080 --> 00:18:34,119 Speaker 1: could have with that, with time being what it is, 346 00:18:34,160 --> 00:18:37,800 Speaker 1: they could have pinpointed some specifics Innach territory. 347 00:18:38,359 --> 00:18:42,439 Speaker 2: I helped run an all girls show in Texas the 348 00:18:42,520 --> 00:18:46,600 Speaker 2: week before he died, and I booked Tammy on it 349 00:18:47,119 --> 00:18:51,280 Speaker 2: and Chris came. Chris came with her and he wanted 350 00:18:51,320 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: to work, and I said, it's an all girls show, 351 00:18:54,840 --> 00:18:58,000 Speaker 2: and he goes, I don't care, and so he put 352 00:18:58,240 --> 00:19:00,000 Speaker 2: I think it was Amy Lee. I think he put 353 00:19:00,480 --> 00:19:03,960 Speaker 2: Primetime Amy Lee over because he just and I said, Chris, 354 00:19:03,960 --> 00:19:05,119 Speaker 2: there's no budget, I don't care. 355 00:19:05,160 --> 00:19:06,520 Speaker 3: I just want to work. He goes, I can't sit 356 00:19:06,600 --> 00:19:09,520 Speaker 3: here and not do something, and he worked and he 357 00:19:09,560 --> 00:19:13,960 Speaker 3: put her over. And that's the kind of guy Chris was. 358 00:19:14,359 --> 00:19:16,920 Speaker 2: You know. The brother said it when when he started, 359 00:19:17,160 --> 00:19:20,399 Speaker 2: and Johnny when he when Chris started, he would just 360 00:19:20,520 --> 00:19:22,639 Speaker 2: drive the shows and even if he wasn't booked, he 361 00:19:22,720 --> 00:19:25,200 Speaker 2: tried to get on them, and there was no payday. 362 00:19:25,320 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 3: He just wanted to have fun because he loved the 363 00:19:28,160 --> 00:19:31,159 Speaker 3: I'd never met a guy who loved the business as 364 00:19:31,240 --> 00:19:36,160 Speaker 3: much as Chris Candido. Never in my life. Everything was wrestling. 365 00:19:36,840 --> 00:19:40,000 Speaker 3: Everything was wrestling, and he wanted to make it fun 366 00:19:40,040 --> 00:19:42,560 Speaker 3: and make it a good time. And I said it 367 00:19:42,600 --> 00:19:44,720 Speaker 3: a million times. If you look at the Triple Threat, 368 00:19:44,920 --> 00:19:47,320 Speaker 3: Chris was the comedy guy. Even though he could work 369 00:19:47,359 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 3: his ass off and he could cut a promo, he 370 00:19:50,560 --> 00:19:55,080 Speaker 3: was the comedy in that you know, trio of men 371 00:19:55,920 --> 00:20:02,520 Speaker 3: and just made it so fun. One thing that stands out. 372 00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:07,560 Speaker 2: I don't know if it was Cornett or mcfoley who 373 00:20:07,600 --> 00:20:10,920 Speaker 2: said it, but they said the biggest addiction that Chris 374 00:20:10,920 --> 00:20:16,680 Speaker 2: had was Tammy. Yes, okay, And that got me. That 375 00:20:16,720 --> 00:20:21,680 Speaker 2: got me because you know, Tammy has had her share 376 00:20:21,720 --> 00:20:25,439 Speaker 2: of suitors, whether they were broken up or not. I 377 00:20:25,440 --> 00:20:28,320 Speaker 2: mean some people would argue the fact and say they 378 00:20:28,320 --> 00:20:29,200 Speaker 2: were still together. 379 00:20:30,280 --> 00:20:33,240 Speaker 3: She always had said no, we split. 380 00:20:33,000 --> 00:20:35,560 Speaker 2: Up when I was with Sean or you know, but 381 00:20:35,680 --> 00:20:39,119 Speaker 2: the other people that she was with, and you know, 382 00:20:39,320 --> 00:20:41,560 Speaker 2: Chris just seemed to let it roll off his back, 383 00:20:44,040 --> 00:20:46,920 Speaker 2: and that makes me sick to my stomach the way 384 00:20:47,040 --> 00:20:53,000 Speaker 2: he just took it that I never understood. I understand 385 00:20:53,040 --> 00:20:55,680 Speaker 2: you want to keep your your spot. I get that, 386 00:20:56,040 --> 00:21:00,560 Speaker 2: but that's your girl, Like I don't. That part to me, 387 00:21:00,920 --> 00:21:05,560 Speaker 2: like blows my mind. That dynamic with those two shit 388 00:21:05,640 --> 00:21:07,800 Speaker 2: when they were good, they were so good and I 389 00:21:07,880 --> 00:21:09,320 Speaker 2: loved them as a couple. 390 00:21:10,520 --> 00:21:12,280 Speaker 3: But then you you. 391 00:21:12,280 --> 00:21:14,560 Speaker 2: Go back and you see all that kind of stuff 392 00:21:14,560 --> 00:21:18,800 Speaker 2: that she did and it's just like God, it was hard. 393 00:21:18,960 --> 00:21:21,639 Speaker 3: It was just hard to digest that part for me. 394 00:21:21,800 --> 00:21:24,720 Speaker 2: I don't that, I don't the infidelity like that, I don't, 395 00:21:24,840 --> 00:21:29,200 Speaker 2: I don't know right under his nose. I've seen it 396 00:21:29,240 --> 00:21:32,600 Speaker 2: where the wives or even the husbands are home and 397 00:21:32,720 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 2: girls are and guys are doing their own thing. But god, 398 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:36,760 Speaker 2: you're on the road together. 399 00:21:37,720 --> 00:21:38,480 Speaker 3: How could you? 400 00:21:39,920 --> 00:21:42,680 Speaker 1: And the fact that those stories have been bannied about 401 00:21:43,000 --> 00:21:46,760 Speaker 1: four years a thud when I got the internet in 402 00:21:46,840 --> 00:21:50,399 Speaker 1: nineteen ninety seven. That was being talked about on the 403 00:21:50,440 --> 00:21:53,280 Speaker 1: internet in nineteen ninety seven. Okay, and they were still 404 00:21:53,480 --> 00:21:56,840 Speaker 1: very tam you still in the WWF, and Chris was 405 00:21:56,880 --> 00:21:59,440 Speaker 1: still technically under contract to the WWF. 406 00:21:59,440 --> 00:22:00,080 Speaker 3: But in ec. 407 00:22:01,520 --> 00:22:03,600 Speaker 4: Amazing how. 408 00:22:05,040 --> 00:22:07,800 Speaker 1: The narrative changed though, because when Chris was alive, they 409 00:22:07,800 --> 00:22:11,600 Speaker 1: were still together on paper. When Chris passed away, that's 410 00:22:11,640 --> 00:22:13,760 Speaker 1: when it was revealed, Oh no, we were on a break. 411 00:22:14,080 --> 00:22:18,919 Speaker 1: So I don't you know, I'm obviously just as an outsider, 412 00:22:19,400 --> 00:22:22,280 Speaker 1: we have to go by what we hear. I just 413 00:22:22,359 --> 00:22:25,800 Speaker 1: can't believe how much of an outward he must have 414 00:22:25,920 --> 00:22:28,959 Speaker 1: had nerves of steel to be able to hear that 415 00:22:29,080 --> 00:22:29,760 Speaker 1: kind of stuff. 416 00:22:29,920 --> 00:22:31,960 Speaker 4: And it wasn't just about Seaw Michaels. 417 00:22:32,000 --> 00:22:34,960 Speaker 1: It was other people that were said and rumored for 418 00:22:35,119 --> 00:22:38,840 Speaker 1: years that And look, I'm sure Chris, good looking dude, 419 00:22:39,000 --> 00:22:41,960 Speaker 1: jack to the gills, he could have had anybody he wanted. 420 00:22:42,000 --> 00:22:43,320 Speaker 3: I'm sure I've never heard. 421 00:22:43,119 --> 00:22:49,080 Speaker 2: Of infidelities by Chris. I've never heard of it. 422 00:22:47,400 --> 00:22:50,080 Speaker 3: Not one time. He was so in love with her, 423 00:22:50,680 --> 00:22:52,440 Speaker 3: and I remember the guys used to be like, why 424 00:22:53,560 --> 00:22:56,879 Speaker 3: why there's so many pretty girls out there? And that 425 00:22:57,040 --> 00:22:57,440 Speaker 3: was part. 426 00:22:57,560 --> 00:23:00,800 Speaker 2: I think that was part of like, you know, before 427 00:23:00,840 --> 00:23:04,240 Speaker 2: she came over to ECW, I said this in other interviews, 428 00:23:04,240 --> 00:23:07,520 Speaker 2: like I was warned about Tammy. You're not gonna like her, 429 00:23:07,560 --> 00:23:09,880 Speaker 2: You're not going to get along, And I'm like, why not. Oh, 430 00:23:09,960 --> 00:23:13,520 Speaker 2: she's very difficult to deal with her egos through the roof. 431 00:23:13,640 --> 00:23:14,439 Speaker 3: She's this, she's that. 432 00:23:15,119 --> 00:23:19,439 Speaker 2: And I never had a problem with Tammy never. I 433 00:23:19,440 --> 00:23:22,159 Speaker 2: don't even think we've ever really had an argument. And 434 00:23:22,240 --> 00:23:25,080 Speaker 2: I've known her. When did she come to the ECB. 435 00:23:25,200 --> 00:23:27,160 Speaker 3: I don't even remember what year she so. 436 00:23:27,560 --> 00:23:31,640 Speaker 1: I believe she technically gets there ninety eight. 437 00:23:31,960 --> 00:23:34,480 Speaker 3: Okay, So I've known her since nineteen ninety eight. 438 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:40,440 Speaker 2: And everybody said, watch out, watch out, she's going to 439 00:23:40,520 --> 00:23:42,879 Speaker 2: try to steal your spots. She's going to try to 440 00:23:42,920 --> 00:23:45,400 Speaker 2: do this, she's going to try to bury you. 441 00:23:45,440 --> 00:23:48,560 Speaker 3: Never never did she so in that. 442 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:53,200 Speaker 2: You know, I've never said a bad word about Tammy 443 00:23:53,880 --> 00:23:58,159 Speaker 2: business wise, and she's been my friend for years, and 444 00:23:58,280 --> 00:24:00,000 Speaker 2: everything that I've said, I've said to her face. 445 00:24:01,400 --> 00:24:02,560 Speaker 3: I've set it to her face. 446 00:24:02,920 --> 00:24:06,320 Speaker 1: Yes, you guys said that on camera to each other. Yeah, 447 00:24:06,400 --> 00:24:10,080 Speaker 1: there's a shoot interview where you guys talked about stuff 448 00:24:10,119 --> 00:24:11,359 Speaker 1: you've said to one another. 449 00:24:11,440 --> 00:24:13,439 Speaker 4: You've you've talked about it in person. I want to 450 00:24:13,440 --> 00:24:14,320 Speaker 4: just clarify one thing. 451 00:24:14,560 --> 00:24:18,359 Speaker 1: Tammy did make appearances in ninety seven because she was 452 00:24:18,400 --> 00:24:19,280 Speaker 1: there right next. 453 00:24:19,080 --> 00:24:21,080 Speaker 4: To Paul Hayman helping time right. 454 00:24:21,359 --> 00:24:24,440 Speaker 3: Yes, yes, so that's when I'm at her Okay, okay, Yeah. 455 00:24:24,480 --> 00:24:27,200 Speaker 1: But she was not full time with ECW until ninety eight, 456 00:24:27,280 --> 00:24:28,639 Speaker 1: So that's I just want to clarify that. 457 00:24:28,720 --> 00:24:31,160 Speaker 4: Just Cambrane, as the timeline goes through my head. 458 00:24:31,040 --> 00:24:34,159 Speaker 2: Well, whenever she came, we clicked from the beginning, and 459 00:24:34,200 --> 00:24:39,320 Speaker 2: I said it before her. Chris, me and Shane would 460 00:24:39,480 --> 00:24:42,880 Speaker 2: would go in like days early, or stay a couple 461 00:24:42,920 --> 00:24:45,040 Speaker 2: of days after and make like if we went to 462 00:24:45,080 --> 00:24:47,520 Speaker 2: Fort Lauderdale, or if we went somewhere sunny with a beach, 463 00:24:47,600 --> 00:24:50,640 Speaker 2: or we would like take it as an opportunity to vacation, 464 00:24:51,440 --> 00:24:53,639 Speaker 2: you know, and just hang out and have a good time. 465 00:24:54,160 --> 00:24:59,720 Speaker 2: And I never ever ever gotten any kind of arguments 466 00:25:00,359 --> 00:25:05,520 Speaker 2: with her, uh, personally or professionally. She was a pleasure 467 00:25:05,560 --> 00:25:08,119 Speaker 2: to work with. And I will say that and stand 468 00:25:08,119 --> 00:25:10,479 Speaker 2: by that. I loved working with Tammy. 469 00:25:11,040 --> 00:25:11,479 Speaker 3: Loved it. 470 00:25:11,840 --> 00:25:15,320 Speaker 2: So everybody who told me she was a nightmare, I 471 00:25:15,359 --> 00:25:17,800 Speaker 2: was just like, Wow, you know, you hear like I 472 00:25:17,840 --> 00:25:20,240 Speaker 2: always hear things about people, But I'm the kind of 473 00:25:20,280 --> 00:25:23,320 Speaker 2: person like I'll be on my toes, but I'm gonna 474 00:25:23,400 --> 00:25:24,639 Speaker 2: judge you for how you treat me. 475 00:25:26,119 --> 00:25:27,879 Speaker 3: And she never treated me poorly. 476 00:25:28,320 --> 00:25:33,480 Speaker 2: And you know, to this day, I love Tammy, but 477 00:25:33,560 --> 00:25:38,520 Speaker 2: I hate the person that she's become. So before anybody 478 00:25:38,560 --> 00:25:40,879 Speaker 2: comes at me for saying, oh, she's a murderer, she's this, 479 00:25:41,400 --> 00:25:44,280 Speaker 2: I know what she did and I hate that about her. 480 00:25:45,200 --> 00:25:47,160 Speaker 3: I hate it. And the way. 481 00:25:47,040 --> 00:25:49,760 Speaker 2: Things are looking, I will probably never speak to her again. 482 00:25:49,840 --> 00:25:53,359 Speaker 2: And that breaks my heart. And it hurts me to 483 00:25:53,560 --> 00:25:57,960 Speaker 2: see a girl who had the world by the balls 484 00:25:58,200 --> 00:26:01,560 Speaker 2: and had everything in the palm of her hand, everything 485 00:26:01,600 --> 00:26:06,639 Speaker 2: that she could want. She had a loyal boyfriend, a 486 00:26:06,840 --> 00:26:09,199 Speaker 2: job where she was on TV and she was the 487 00:26:09,240 --> 00:26:10,280 Speaker 2: focus of attention. 488 00:26:11,280 --> 00:26:13,880 Speaker 3: She had the talent, she had, the charisma, she had 489 00:26:13,880 --> 00:26:14,760 Speaker 3: the beauty, she. 490 00:26:15,000 --> 00:26:20,000 Speaker 2: Had everything, and she made it all disappear because of 491 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:21,480 Speaker 2: freaking poor choices. 492 00:26:23,000 --> 00:26:28,200 Speaker 3: You know, you correct mistakes. You can't keep making. 493 00:26:27,920 --> 00:26:31,439 Speaker 2: This mistake over and over again and expected to you know, 494 00:26:31,560 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: be Okay, how many times did she do this to herself? 495 00:26:36,640 --> 00:26:39,240 Speaker 2: I can't give her a pass for that just because 496 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:40,040 Speaker 2: she's my friend and. 497 00:26:40,000 --> 00:26:43,479 Speaker 3: I love her. I judge her by that now, and 498 00:26:43,520 --> 00:26:44,840 Speaker 3: it infuriates me. 499 00:26:46,320 --> 00:26:48,919 Speaker 2: It makes me so mad because I know the person 500 00:26:49,000 --> 00:26:52,320 Speaker 2: she was before all this stuff happened. And I'm telling 501 00:26:52,359 --> 00:26:58,600 Speaker 2: you right now, as soon as Chris passed away, downward spiral, I've. 502 00:26:58,440 --> 00:26:59,400 Speaker 3: Seen such a change. 503 00:26:59,440 --> 00:27:03,119 Speaker 2: And people, you know, like doctor Tom he wasn't fond 504 00:27:03,160 --> 00:27:05,879 Speaker 2: of her, you know, when he was working with her, 505 00:27:05,880 --> 00:27:09,480 Speaker 2: And I get that, but I didn't see that that 506 00:27:09,600 --> 00:27:13,560 Speaker 2: side of Tammy. What I saw was a good person 507 00:27:14,119 --> 00:27:19,080 Speaker 2: until Chris died, and she was still good to me. 508 00:27:20,119 --> 00:27:24,399 Speaker 2: But her lifestyle changed her. You know, the men she 509 00:27:24,560 --> 00:27:27,200 Speaker 2: was saying like, some of them were okay, but then 510 00:27:27,200 --> 00:27:28,480 Speaker 2: there were a lot of them who. 511 00:27:28,280 --> 00:27:33,200 Speaker 3: Were just straight up losers. And she started drinking heavily more. 512 00:27:33,440 --> 00:27:35,439 Speaker 2: And it was it got to the point where I 513 00:27:35,600 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 2: told her to her face, you have a problem. You 514 00:27:39,640 --> 00:27:42,679 Speaker 2: need to get help. No, I'm fine, I can control it. 515 00:27:42,720 --> 00:27:43,760 Speaker 2: I don't have a problem. 516 00:27:44,000 --> 00:27:45,879 Speaker 3: And when I watched it and. 517 00:27:46,040 --> 00:27:49,360 Speaker 2: They played the voice recording of her and she was laughing, Oh, 518 00:27:49,400 --> 00:27:53,240 Speaker 2: seventy uys and she's laughing. I don't care if that's 519 00:27:53,240 --> 00:27:57,000 Speaker 2: a nervous laugh or not. That is infuriating. 520 00:27:57,560 --> 00:27:58,439 Speaker 3: I have kids. 521 00:27:58,800 --> 00:28:01,400 Speaker 2: I'm on the road with my kids, taking them somewhere, 522 00:28:01,400 --> 00:28:03,560 Speaker 2: and some asshole drunk driver hits me. 523 00:28:03,800 --> 00:28:10,360 Speaker 3: God forbid, No, that's not okay one one time you 524 00:28:10,440 --> 00:28:10,800 Speaker 3: do it. 525 00:28:11,920 --> 00:28:14,800 Speaker 2: I mean it's it's not okay once. But she did 526 00:28:14,800 --> 00:28:16,280 Speaker 2: it seven eight times. 527 00:28:16,840 --> 00:28:18,800 Speaker 3: Come on, come on. 528 00:28:19,320 --> 00:28:19,600 Speaker 4: Yeah. 529 00:28:20,520 --> 00:28:23,400 Speaker 2: I can't give her a pass for that because she's 530 00:28:23,440 --> 00:28:26,320 Speaker 2: my friend. I love her, but I hate her at 531 00:28:26,320 --> 00:28:29,240 Speaker 2: the same time. I hate I hate the person she's become. 532 00:28:29,680 --> 00:28:31,800 Speaker 2: And I'll tell her that to her face too, she 533 00:28:31,840 --> 00:28:34,040 Speaker 2: ever sees this, I will tell her that to her face. 534 00:28:34,440 --> 00:28:36,400 Speaker 1: Well, when she came on with us, I mean she's 535 00:28:36,440 --> 00:28:38,959 Speaker 1: telling us about how she had the best jobs and 536 00:28:39,000 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: they loved her. Yeah, I mean she essentially never learned 537 00:28:45,840 --> 00:28:47,160 Speaker 1: from the mistakes no. 538 00:28:47,360 --> 00:28:48,080 Speaker 4: That she made. 539 00:28:48,240 --> 00:28:51,320 Speaker 1: And then after she was on with us, we I 540 00:28:51,360 --> 00:28:54,880 Speaker 1: think we had the last interview that she had. 541 00:28:54,960 --> 00:28:58,600 Speaker 4: She might have done one. 542 00:28:57,280 --> 00:28:59,280 Speaker 3: First, I know, we had the first one. 543 00:28:59,360 --> 00:29:03,240 Speaker 1: We had, but then I think we had the last 544 00:29:03,280 --> 00:29:09,280 Speaker 1: technically before everything happened with the incident with the driver 545 00:29:09,760 --> 00:29:16,240 Speaker 1: that she hit, and she essentially learned nothing from that 546 00:29:16,320 --> 00:29:19,400 Speaker 1: interview that we were conducting. I mean, it was jokey 547 00:29:19,640 --> 00:29:21,080 Speaker 1: and it was this, and it was that, and it 548 00:29:21,120 --> 00:29:27,080 Speaker 1: was amazing. But your your vigor has I mean, it's built. 549 00:29:27,400 --> 00:29:30,160 Speaker 1: It's built over the years. You could just by knowing you. 550 00:29:30,200 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 4: I've seen you. Know you you say the same thing, 551 00:29:32,840 --> 00:29:33,920 Speaker 4: but I've seen it. 552 00:29:33,800 --> 00:29:36,640 Speaker 1: Because like you said, that could be you or I 553 00:29:36,680 --> 00:29:38,240 Speaker 1: in that car that that was struck. 554 00:29:38,560 --> 00:29:44,040 Speaker 2: It's it's disgusting, it's disgusting. She had the money because 555 00:29:44,080 --> 00:29:45,520 Speaker 2: of this only fans thing. 556 00:29:45,400 --> 00:29:45,920 Speaker 3: That she was. 557 00:29:46,000 --> 00:29:47,080 Speaker 4: She was dominated. 558 00:29:47,360 --> 00:29:49,280 Speaker 3: She was making money hand over foot. 559 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:52,000 Speaker 2: She would text me because I was still talking to 560 00:29:52,040 --> 00:29:54,920 Speaker 2: her this whole time. We were still friends. I was 561 00:29:54,960 --> 00:29:59,000 Speaker 2: still talking to her. We had just done Russell Keid 562 00:30:00,240 --> 00:30:03,040 Speaker 2: together and it was the first time that we ever 563 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:05,720 Speaker 2: roomed together, believe it or not, because she always roomed with, 564 00:30:05,960 --> 00:30:07,320 Speaker 2: you know, Chris, she. 565 00:30:07,280 --> 00:30:09,480 Speaker 3: Was only always on the road. She always roomed with Chris. 566 00:30:09,600 --> 00:30:11,360 Speaker 3: This was the first time her and I shared a 567 00:30:11,400 --> 00:30:14,720 Speaker 3: hotel room. We had the best weekend, not a drop 568 00:30:14,760 --> 00:30:15,360 Speaker 3: of alcohol. 569 00:30:15,440 --> 00:30:18,520 Speaker 2: I told her, I'm not going to drink in respect 570 00:30:18,560 --> 00:30:21,640 Speaker 2: to you, because I you know, I don't want to, 571 00:30:22,200 --> 00:30:25,800 Speaker 2: you know, entice anybody that can't control their liquor. 572 00:30:26,040 --> 00:30:28,520 Speaker 3: So I and I don't have to drink when I'm 573 00:30:28,560 --> 00:30:29,040 Speaker 3: on the road. 574 00:30:29,080 --> 00:30:33,720 Speaker 2: You know, we ordered food, we watched TV, we laughed. 575 00:30:33,840 --> 00:30:36,040 Speaker 2: You know, she was showing me her only fans page. 576 00:30:36,040 --> 00:30:37,920 Speaker 2: She was showed me the guys that were on there. 577 00:30:38,160 --> 00:30:41,360 Speaker 2: She was making so much freaking money. You mean to 578 00:30:41,400 --> 00:30:43,360 Speaker 2: tell me, if you have to go somewhere, you can't 579 00:30:43,400 --> 00:30:46,200 Speaker 2: call an uber to take you. 580 00:30:46,200 --> 00:30:49,960 Speaker 3: You have to get in the freaking car drunk. No, 581 00:30:51,040 --> 00:30:51,560 Speaker 3: I'm sorry. 582 00:30:51,560 --> 00:30:55,600 Speaker 2: That is inexcusable and it's disgusting and it makes my 583 00:30:55,640 --> 00:30:56,280 Speaker 2: stomach turn. 584 00:30:58,040 --> 00:30:58,920 Speaker 3: And I would tell her that. 585 00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,360 Speaker 1: If you don't mind, let me ask you a question 586 00:31:01,480 --> 00:31:03,840 Speaker 1: on the timeline. What do you remember about Chris and 587 00:31:03,880 --> 00:31:05,080 Speaker 1: Tammy's suspension for me? 588 00:31:05,160 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 2: Cw I, I see, I don't really remember them not 589 00:31:14,360 --> 00:31:19,400 Speaker 2: being around for that long. I know the part where 590 00:31:19,400 --> 00:31:22,240 Speaker 2: they talked about the credit cards, like Chris always would 591 00:31:22,240 --> 00:31:25,480 Speaker 2: tell me, oh my god, we bought this, we put 592 00:31:25,520 --> 00:31:28,560 Speaker 2: the flates on our card, and now he's not given 593 00:31:28,600 --> 00:31:31,040 Speaker 2: me any money, Like I remember living through that with 594 00:31:31,160 --> 00:31:36,640 Speaker 2: them because we were all going through kind of similar situations. 595 00:31:37,120 --> 00:31:39,160 Speaker 2: I don't know how much money he was owed. 596 00:31:39,200 --> 00:31:42,240 Speaker 4: It was a lot, they it was a lot. 597 00:31:42,520 --> 00:31:43,040 Speaker 3: It was a lot. 598 00:31:43,320 --> 00:31:45,720 Speaker 1: Tammy gave the numbers on one of her shoot interviews 599 00:31:45,760 --> 00:31:47,720 Speaker 1: and if that is the true number, and then. 600 00:31:48,840 --> 00:31:50,120 Speaker 3: Over one hundred thousands. 601 00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,280 Speaker 4: Oh no, it was more. It was Yeah. 602 00:31:53,360 --> 00:31:56,200 Speaker 1: It was incredible because they ended up losing their their house, 603 00:31:56,240 --> 00:31:59,960 Speaker 1: their dream house that they had in the around the 604 00:32:00,120 --> 00:32:03,040 Speaker 1: area where I lived in Jersey, and the mom confirmed 605 00:32:03,040 --> 00:32:05,200 Speaker 1: that they lost the house because of the credit card. 606 00:32:04,960 --> 00:32:07,560 Speaker 3: Debt, right right, I do remember all of that. 607 00:32:08,560 --> 00:32:13,640 Speaker 2: I remember when I remember being really angry when Tammy 608 00:32:13,680 --> 00:32:19,920 Speaker 2: did the TNN peace. Yes, I feel like Paul exploited 609 00:32:19,920 --> 00:32:24,320 Speaker 2: her and that that it shouldn't have happened. And I 610 00:32:24,360 --> 00:32:27,920 Speaker 2: know it was for ratings, but I feel like he 611 00:32:27,960 --> 00:32:30,920 Speaker 2: took advantage of her. I don't know what the leverage 612 00:32:30,960 --> 00:32:34,280 Speaker 2: was with that, like you know, we'll get your job. 613 00:32:34,480 --> 00:32:36,640 Speaker 2: Was it you'll get your job back if you do 614 00:32:36,760 --> 00:32:39,120 Speaker 2: this for us, so to speak, or something like I 615 00:32:39,160 --> 00:32:43,400 Speaker 2: don't to me, it was that was too much and 616 00:32:43,480 --> 00:32:48,000 Speaker 2: she was so vulnerable and it was that was painful 617 00:32:48,040 --> 00:32:50,720 Speaker 2: to watch. I didn't like seeing her in that light, 618 00:32:51,880 --> 00:32:54,000 Speaker 2: so I think he I think he definitely took advantage 619 00:32:54,040 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: of her in that situation. 620 00:32:56,640 --> 00:33:00,200 Speaker 3: But I don't remember them not being maybe. 621 00:33:00,120 --> 00:33:02,000 Speaker 2: Because I kept in touch with both of them, Like 622 00:33:02,040 --> 00:33:05,320 Speaker 2: I was still talking because we were friends, so I 623 00:33:05,400 --> 00:33:07,880 Speaker 2: was still talking to them. But I don't really know 624 00:33:07,960 --> 00:33:11,240 Speaker 2: how long they were gone for, Like. 625 00:33:11,120 --> 00:33:13,720 Speaker 1: It's more of a road suspension than it was overall 626 00:33:13,760 --> 00:33:16,160 Speaker 1: because they were working technically in the office because of 627 00:33:16,200 --> 00:33:16,720 Speaker 1: the flights. 628 00:33:17,160 --> 00:33:19,880 Speaker 3: Yeah, but like how how long was it? Like I 629 00:33:19,920 --> 00:33:24,160 Speaker 3: don't I don't know, I don't remember, but like I 630 00:33:24,280 --> 00:33:26,360 Speaker 3: do know that like E. 631 00:33:26,480 --> 00:33:32,520 Speaker 2: CW is where Chris shined. It's where he I mean, 632 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,720 Speaker 2: he was talented every run that he had, you know, 633 00:33:35,840 --> 00:33:39,640 Speaker 2: pure talent. But I feel like in E CW. He 634 00:33:39,800 --> 00:33:44,160 Speaker 2: was on top where he rightfully deserved it. I've said 635 00:33:44,200 --> 00:33:46,240 Speaker 2: it a million times. I think that him and Shane 636 00:33:46,600 --> 00:33:49,920 Speaker 2: should have you know, he should have turned heel or 637 00:33:50,720 --> 00:33:52,600 Speaker 2: some I mean we were heels anyway, but he should 638 00:33:52,640 --> 00:33:54,480 Speaker 2: have turned on Shane and had a run for the 639 00:33:54,520 --> 00:33:55,280 Speaker 2: heavyweight belt. 640 00:33:55,320 --> 00:33:57,680 Speaker 3: I think that we could have did so much, the 641 00:33:57,760 --> 00:33:59,400 Speaker 3: four of us could. 642 00:33:59,200 --> 00:34:01,840 Speaker 2: Have did so much with an angle like that and 643 00:34:01,880 --> 00:34:04,520 Speaker 2: we teased it for a little bit, but it never really, 644 00:34:05,120 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 2: nothing ever happened. So I just man, I just look 645 00:34:13,120 --> 00:34:17,280 Speaker 2: back and it's just both of them so talented, so 646 00:34:17,280 --> 00:34:21,280 Speaker 2: so talented, and to see him with that impact TNA 647 00:34:21,360 --> 00:34:23,719 Speaker 2: footage and how happy he was and. 648 00:34:23,800 --> 00:34:28,880 Speaker 3: How good he looked, and you know, that morning. 649 00:34:30,320 --> 00:34:33,320 Speaker 2: That he passed away, I was I was just leaving 650 00:34:33,360 --> 00:34:35,520 Speaker 2: my house. I lived in Delaware. I was going to 651 00:34:35,600 --> 00:34:41,279 Speaker 2: the Philly airport. I had a gig in California. I 652 00:34:41,360 --> 00:34:43,319 Speaker 2: had a flight in like two hours or something. I 653 00:34:43,360 --> 00:34:44,560 Speaker 2: was just getting ready to get in the car and 654 00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:48,239 Speaker 2: my phone rang and it was Tammy hysterical telling me 655 00:34:48,320 --> 00:34:49,000 Speaker 2: Chris had died. 656 00:34:49,880 --> 00:34:52,600 Speaker 3: And I just froze. I was like, why what? And 657 00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:53,799 Speaker 3: She's like, he's gone, He's going. 658 00:34:53,960 --> 00:34:56,640 Speaker 2: She was screaming into the phone, and I don't know 659 00:34:56,680 --> 00:34:57,399 Speaker 2: what I'm gonna do. 660 00:34:57,480 --> 00:35:00,960 Speaker 3: I like panicking. Can I come live with you? She 661 00:35:01,040 --> 00:35:04,600 Speaker 3: has to live with me? I said, oh, Tammy, I 662 00:35:04,680 --> 00:35:07,680 Speaker 3: you know, I don't. I don't know. You know. 663 00:35:07,960 --> 00:35:10,480 Speaker 2: I'm getting ready to get on a plane right now. 664 00:35:10,640 --> 00:35:12,840 Speaker 2: And to this day it breaks my heart that I 665 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:13,480 Speaker 2: did not get to. 666 00:35:13,480 --> 00:35:14,320 Speaker 3: Go to his funeral. 667 00:35:15,239 --> 00:35:18,000 Speaker 2: That that is a memory with me that I just 668 00:35:18,120 --> 00:35:20,320 Speaker 2: can't like shake it, and. 669 00:35:20,360 --> 00:35:23,360 Speaker 3: But you know I would two hours my flight. 670 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,640 Speaker 2: I had no idea, like if it would have happened before, 671 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:28,120 Speaker 2: I could have made. 672 00:35:27,960 --> 00:35:29,000 Speaker 3: Plans and stuff. 673 00:35:29,080 --> 00:35:31,759 Speaker 2: But that that always breaks my heart that I didn't 674 00:35:31,760 --> 00:35:34,839 Speaker 2: get to go because I was away. You know, I 675 00:35:34,880 --> 00:35:36,520 Speaker 2: was there for I don't know how long I was 676 00:35:36,560 --> 00:35:38,960 Speaker 2: there for, but I was there when the funeral happened. 677 00:35:40,560 --> 00:35:42,239 Speaker 2: And that was a hard one for me because I 678 00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:47,960 Speaker 2: loved Chris with all my heart still do. I still do, 679 00:35:48,120 --> 00:35:50,560 Speaker 2: and when I pray at night, I always include Chris 680 00:35:50,560 --> 00:35:52,920 Speaker 2: and Louis in my prayers. 681 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:54,680 Speaker 3: Louis Pecoley. 682 00:35:56,280 --> 00:35:58,919 Speaker 4: Always got a small glimpse of him as well. 683 00:35:59,280 --> 00:36:03,759 Speaker 1: Yeah, yes, Brad Bradford mashing on the way to the 684 00:36:03,840 --> 00:36:09,080 Speaker 1: Ring with Skip again just I you know, for if 685 00:36:09,080 --> 00:36:12,120 Speaker 1: you're a YouTube member, you saw our preview of Dark 686 00:36:12,120 --> 00:36:14,480 Speaker 1: Side of the Ring, and you know, Francine has gone 687 00:36:14,520 --> 00:36:16,960 Speaker 1: a record many times saying not a big fan of 688 00:36:17,000 --> 00:36:19,960 Speaker 1: the series for the negative light that it has shed 689 00:36:20,080 --> 00:36:24,680 Speaker 1: on many, many, many personalities and incidents throughout the history 690 00:36:24,680 --> 00:36:27,680 Speaker 1: of wrestling. I tend to agree, although I have said 691 00:36:27,680 --> 00:36:31,120 Speaker 1: that there are a few episodes I do like this one. 692 00:36:31,280 --> 00:36:32,840 Speaker 1: I have to put at the top of the list, 693 00:36:33,320 --> 00:36:36,719 Speaker 1: and I reached out. I said to Johnny Candido, I said, 694 00:36:36,719 --> 00:36:41,640 Speaker 1: this was a wonderful put together piece, and I hope 695 00:36:41,680 --> 00:36:44,759 Speaker 1: your family got what you guys wanted out of it, 696 00:36:44,800 --> 00:36:46,600 Speaker 1: because I think it was well done and it was 697 00:36:46,640 --> 00:36:51,000 Speaker 1: gripping and it was emotional, and I very I as 698 00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:53,799 Speaker 1: a fan of Chris, was happy with how it was done. 699 00:36:53,840 --> 00:36:56,000 Speaker 1: So I was hoping that they were as well, and 700 00:36:56,040 --> 00:36:58,759 Speaker 1: it seems like they were. So it was, you know, 701 00:36:58,800 --> 00:37:02,680 Speaker 1: again just just for I mean who they called. I mean, 702 00:37:02,680 --> 00:37:04,879 Speaker 1: they talked to Lance, they talked to Cornett, they talked 703 00:37:04,880 --> 00:37:07,200 Speaker 1: to the doctor. To the way they broke down, I mean, 704 00:37:07,239 --> 00:37:10,360 Speaker 1: that was that was you couldn't you couldn't not be 705 00:37:10,400 --> 00:37:12,960 Speaker 1: a human being and feel that emotion coming off the 706 00:37:12,960 --> 00:37:15,400 Speaker 1: screen from from those guys, I mean, and then the 707 00:37:15,440 --> 00:37:16,200 Speaker 1: field coming from you. 708 00:37:16,680 --> 00:37:17,879 Speaker 4: The impact that he. 709 00:37:18,040 --> 00:37:24,120 Speaker 1: Had on his his canadres and his his coworkers is unbelievable. 710 00:37:24,120 --> 00:37:25,680 Speaker 4: His friends, That's what we'll say it. 711 00:37:26,040 --> 00:37:28,120 Speaker 3: Yeah, And like watching that. 712 00:37:29,520 --> 00:37:33,080 Speaker 2: To see Cornett break down like that, because you know, 713 00:37:33,120 --> 00:37:37,239 Speaker 2: I'm not really familiar with Jim Cornett, right, I know, 714 00:37:37,719 --> 00:37:41,560 Speaker 2: like I've seen his work obviously, but like the person 715 00:37:41,960 --> 00:37:44,919 Speaker 2: Jim Cornett and everybody talks about his podcast and how 716 00:37:44,920 --> 00:37:46,040 Speaker 2: he shits on everyone. 717 00:37:46,680 --> 00:37:49,279 Speaker 3: And it was touching to see. 718 00:37:49,080 --> 00:37:51,480 Speaker 2: Him break down like that because I've never seen that 719 00:37:52,200 --> 00:37:55,600 Speaker 2: emotion from him before. So you can tell he generally 720 00:37:55,719 --> 00:37:59,160 Speaker 2: loved Chris, and you know, he's the one that gave 721 00:37:59,239 --> 00:38:03,800 Speaker 2: them their break, their start, and he always spoke highly 722 00:38:03,840 --> 00:38:07,480 Speaker 2: of Chris, so that was nice to see. I was 723 00:38:07,560 --> 00:38:11,400 Speaker 2: a little shocked that Shane wasn't involved with this project. 724 00:38:12,120 --> 00:38:13,920 Speaker 2: I thought that he would be one of the guys 725 00:38:13,920 --> 00:38:17,799 Speaker 2: that they would call to talk, but he wasn't. 726 00:38:18,040 --> 00:38:20,120 Speaker 3: You know, he wasn't one of them. 727 00:38:20,160 --> 00:38:23,239 Speaker 2: But the people that were selected, you know, knew him 728 00:38:23,280 --> 00:38:28,279 Speaker 2: and loved him. 729 00:38:26,400 --> 00:38:28,440 Speaker 3: And talked about him in positively. 730 00:38:28,920 --> 00:38:31,880 Speaker 2: You're not going to meet I mean, I don't know 731 00:38:31,920 --> 00:38:35,239 Speaker 2: if you'll ever meet anyone that talks about Chris in 732 00:38:35,280 --> 00:38:36,680 Speaker 2: a negative way. 733 00:38:36,800 --> 00:38:40,840 Speaker 3: You can't professionally. There's no way anybody. 734 00:38:41,920 --> 00:38:46,000 Speaker 2: On this planet could talk about him negatively professionally because 735 00:38:46,120 --> 00:38:49,799 Speaker 2: everything that he did was for the business. I mean, 736 00:38:49,800 --> 00:38:52,200 Speaker 2: you saw that room when when his brother walked through 737 00:38:52,239 --> 00:38:55,360 Speaker 2: the room, and the drawings and the pictures and the belt, 738 00:38:55,520 --> 00:38:57,959 Speaker 2: and God, he loved the sport so much. 739 00:38:58,560 --> 00:39:01,960 Speaker 3: You know, he just loved it and it killed him. 740 00:39:02,080 --> 00:39:03,400 Speaker 3: It ultimately killed. 741 00:39:03,200 --> 00:39:08,600 Speaker 2: Him if you think about it him. 742 00:39:08,640 --> 00:39:11,080 Speaker 4: It was wrestling, Yeah, very true. 743 00:39:11,440 --> 00:39:13,640 Speaker 1: Johnny told me all about the room and it's he said, 744 00:39:13,640 --> 00:39:17,360 Speaker 1: it's kept the way it was left. Yeah, in that 745 00:39:17,520 --> 00:39:20,240 Speaker 1: in their house, it is the way it was left, 746 00:39:20,440 --> 00:39:24,440 Speaker 1: and that it's he calls it Chris's office, and it's 747 00:39:24,520 --> 00:39:26,279 Speaker 1: the way it was left back then. 748 00:39:26,600 --> 00:39:30,920 Speaker 4: And it's that what you can't you can't feel the. 749 00:39:30,880 --> 00:39:34,400 Speaker 1: Impact that he left to somebody who knew him, but 750 00:39:34,440 --> 00:39:36,719 Speaker 1: you can feel the impact that he left on an industry. 751 00:39:37,000 --> 00:39:40,920 Speaker 1: And when something can immortalize it like a piece like that, 752 00:39:40,920 --> 00:39:43,719 Speaker 1: that that'll never go away. And I hope that somebody 753 00:39:43,920 --> 00:39:47,240 Speaker 1: last night watching it for the first time discovered Chris 754 00:39:47,239 --> 00:39:49,760 Speaker 1: Candido and it is going to go back and watch matches, 755 00:39:50,239 --> 00:39:52,759 Speaker 1: watch the good stuff, not focus on the you know, 756 00:39:52,800 --> 00:39:56,400 Speaker 1: some of these things that weren't so great in life, 757 00:39:56,440 --> 00:39:57,960 Speaker 1: but look at the stuff that he did. 758 00:39:58,000 --> 00:40:00,840 Speaker 4: And and like Cornett said, he would. 759 00:40:00,640 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: Still if he was active today, if he was still wrestling, 760 00:40:03,320 --> 00:40:04,879 Speaker 1: which I'm sure he would have been because he wasn't 761 00:40:04,960 --> 00:40:08,000 Speaker 1: that old, he would be one of. 762 00:40:07,920 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 4: The top guys in the industry. 763 00:40:10,040 --> 00:40:12,399 Speaker 2: He would be in the sport in some capacity, whether 764 00:40:12,520 --> 00:40:14,880 Speaker 2: it would be as an active wrestler or a coach. 765 00:40:15,400 --> 00:40:17,160 Speaker 2: I mean he would be He would have been a 766 00:40:17,200 --> 00:40:24,000 Speaker 2: tremendous coach or agent. You know, he'd be somewhere definitely 767 00:40:24,960 --> 00:40:28,080 Speaker 2: probably aew how would. 768 00:40:27,920 --> 00:40:29,600 Speaker 3: Be my guess. 769 00:40:30,040 --> 00:40:33,440 Speaker 2: He had so much knowledge and just been doing it 770 00:40:33,520 --> 00:40:34,400 Speaker 2: for so long. 771 00:40:36,600 --> 00:40:37,400 Speaker 4: But let me tell you. 772 00:40:37,400 --> 00:40:38,880 Speaker 1: I'll give you a little context. And I mean, and 773 00:40:38,880 --> 00:40:40,720 Speaker 1: I don't know if you know parts of the story. 774 00:40:42,120 --> 00:40:46,360 Speaker 1: By about two thousand tuish two thousand and three, you know, 775 00:40:46,440 --> 00:40:50,279 Speaker 1: the reputation had preceded him because of the association and 776 00:40:50,320 --> 00:40:54,080 Speaker 1: because of the history with him and Tammy. He was 777 00:40:54,120 --> 00:40:57,920 Speaker 1: trying to get back in with WWE and the trainer 778 00:40:58,440 --> 00:41:02,239 Speaker 1: per you know role, and he was trying and basically 779 00:41:02,800 --> 00:41:06,360 Speaker 1: was told like, look, you gotta prove it. You gotta 780 00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:09,879 Speaker 1: show us that you're good, and if you're good, we'll 781 00:41:09,880 --> 00:41:12,960 Speaker 1: bring you back. Because he was training guys. He was 782 00:41:13,120 --> 00:41:15,200 Speaker 1: he was in that room when the rock was being 783 00:41:15,200 --> 00:41:18,160 Speaker 1: broken in. You know, he was there early in ninety 784 00:41:18,200 --> 00:41:21,000 Speaker 1: six when he was still an active guy on their roster. 785 00:41:21,080 --> 00:41:23,040 Speaker 1: You know, when he was when he was hurt. You know, 786 00:41:23,280 --> 00:41:28,040 Speaker 1: they basically transitioned him into helping train guys in like 787 00:41:28,080 --> 00:41:30,000 Speaker 1: two thousand and two, two thousand and three, he could 788 00:41:30,040 --> 00:41:33,280 Speaker 1: have been brought back, but unfortunately, because of the stigma 789 00:41:33,440 --> 00:41:35,600 Speaker 1: there was at the time, he wasn't and that's a shame. 790 00:41:35,760 --> 00:41:38,680 Speaker 4: And he could have been and built a huge, huge 791 00:41:38,800 --> 00:41:39,680 Speaker 4: career out of that. 792 00:41:39,960 --> 00:41:42,040 Speaker 3: His life would have been different because it wouldn't. 793 00:41:42,160 --> 00:41:46,200 Speaker 2: He wouldn't have He would have been wrestling in TNA 794 00:41:46,320 --> 00:41:51,520 Speaker 2: and broke his leg or his ankle. It's just, man, 795 00:41:52,640 --> 00:41:55,839 Speaker 2: It's funny how life works. 796 00:41:54,800 --> 00:42:01,439 Speaker 3: I just something like a doctor telling you, okay, don't 797 00:42:01,440 --> 00:42:04,960 Speaker 3: get on that plane. Why did he get on the 798 00:42:05,800 --> 00:42:08,680 Speaker 3: Why would why would he risk his life for one 799 00:42:08,719 --> 00:42:12,520 Speaker 3: freaking show? You know what I mean? Like heel up, 800 00:42:13,719 --> 00:42:14,800 Speaker 3: he was in his mind. 801 00:42:15,600 --> 00:42:17,720 Speaker 2: He was probably like, you know, I'm in this angle 802 00:42:18,120 --> 00:42:20,479 Speaker 2: and they're gonna push me and I need to be there. 803 00:42:20,640 --> 00:42:23,040 Speaker 3: And god, they would have waited for him. 804 00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:24,080 Speaker 4: Oh yeah, he was mad. 805 00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,000 Speaker 3: They would have waited. 806 00:42:26,239 --> 00:42:26,880 Speaker 4: He was great. 807 00:42:26,920 --> 00:42:30,960 Speaker 1: He was helping catapult that team. They became such like 808 00:42:31,520 --> 00:42:34,680 Speaker 1: a great part of that Impact Show or whatever it 809 00:42:34,760 --> 00:42:37,200 Speaker 1: was called at that time. And Tammy said, you know, 810 00:42:37,239 --> 00:42:39,120 Speaker 1: he could have stayed at you know, and Shane said 811 00:42:39,120 --> 00:42:41,319 Speaker 1: it to They could have stayed at Shane's place. They 812 00:42:41,320 --> 00:42:46,319 Speaker 1: had plenty of friends in the Florida Orlando area, just 813 00:42:46,520 --> 00:42:52,680 Speaker 1: you know, he wanted to get home, Jesus. So, if 814 00:42:52,719 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: you haven't had a chance to check it out, I'm 815 00:42:55,360 --> 00:42:56,440 Speaker 1: sure they're rerunning it. 816 00:42:56,480 --> 00:42:58,640 Speaker 4: I'm sure it's gonna pop up on YouTube. I'm sure 817 00:42:58,640 --> 00:43:00,680 Speaker 4: it's on YouTube now. It is on YouTube. 818 00:43:00,800 --> 00:43:05,439 Speaker 2: How many people put the episode up already, the whole episode, So. 819 00:43:05,920 --> 00:43:08,000 Speaker 4: Do yourself a favorite check it out. 820 00:43:08,520 --> 00:43:12,240 Speaker 2: It was just really really hard to watch, really really 821 00:43:12,239 --> 00:43:13,279 Speaker 2: difficult to watch for me. 822 00:43:15,360 --> 00:43:16,600 Speaker 3: I loved seeing him again. 823 00:43:16,760 --> 00:43:20,200 Speaker 2: I loved seeing you know, the footage of them in 824 00:43:20,239 --> 00:43:22,160 Speaker 2: the ring because he was so good. 825 00:43:23,560 --> 00:43:24,279 Speaker 3: He was so good. 826 00:43:24,360 --> 00:43:29,120 Speaker 2: Dare I say, hardly anyone better than Chris as an 827 00:43:29,160 --> 00:43:33,400 Speaker 2: overall performer, Like he was just so freaking good. 828 00:43:33,480 --> 00:43:35,800 Speaker 3: And just just a waste. 829 00:43:36,400 --> 00:43:40,040 Speaker 2: Just makes me so angry, Like both of them just 830 00:43:40,040 --> 00:43:44,719 Speaker 2: make me so freaking angry. It's just and I can't 831 00:43:44,719 --> 00:43:47,480 Speaker 2: imagine what his mom is feeling watching that back, Like 832 00:43:47,960 --> 00:43:48,920 Speaker 2: it's just horrible. 833 00:43:51,440 --> 00:43:53,719 Speaker 3: It's just it's a horrible thing for a mother to 834 00:43:53,840 --> 00:44:05,640 Speaker 3: lease their child. Sad Kah. I was dreading doing this today, Like, yeah, 835 00:44:07,080 --> 00:44:09,400 Speaker 3: just dreading it. I knew I was gonna lose it. 836 00:44:12,000 --> 00:44:15,520 Speaker 3: But I just I just loved I loved him. 837 00:44:16,760 --> 00:44:27,000 Speaker 6: I love him mhm, and I love her, and I 838 00:44:27,080 --> 00:44:28,080 Speaker 6: just I just. 839 00:44:30,239 --> 00:44:32,799 Speaker 3: That's our that's from that's our picture, because I know 840 00:44:32,880 --> 00:44:33,920 Speaker 3: that background. 841 00:44:35,840 --> 00:44:38,640 Speaker 2: A m. 842 00:44:40,719 --> 00:44:48,560 Speaker 3: Just makes me angry. It's terrible. He had so much 843 00:44:48,560 --> 00:44:50,799 Speaker 3: more life to live and so much more to give. 844 00:44:51,880 --> 00:44:57,879 Speaker 2: And people were saying he died a long time ago 845 00:44:57,920 --> 00:45:01,000 Speaker 2: from a broken heart, and that. 846 00:45:00,360 --> 00:45:03,719 Speaker 3: That makes me upset as well. I know how much 847 00:45:03,760 --> 00:45:08,000 Speaker 3: he loved Tammy. I know it, and I do think 848 00:45:08,000 --> 00:45:14,520 Speaker 3: that she loved him to an extent. Just god, it's 849 00:45:14,680 --> 00:45:17,600 Speaker 3: just such a messed up story. 850 00:45:19,520 --> 00:45:24,279 Speaker 2: I was just happy that I knew him, and you know, 851 00:45:24,400 --> 00:45:27,880 Speaker 2: we had a very very strong bond and a good friendship, 852 00:45:27,920 --> 00:45:33,120 Speaker 2: and I could remember us sitting around laughing, joking. You know, 853 00:45:35,360 --> 00:45:40,120 Speaker 2: it went beyond being colleagues, and he was a dear 854 00:45:40,160 --> 00:45:40,800 Speaker 2: friend of mine. 855 00:45:41,200 --> 00:45:44,200 Speaker 3: I just I miss him. I think about him every day. 856 00:45:44,200 --> 00:45:48,319 Speaker 3: I miss him. 857 00:45:51,400 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 2: And when the mother said I wish I could have 858 00:45:53,400 --> 00:45:57,919 Speaker 2: been there to help him like that broke my heart 859 00:45:57,960 --> 00:45:59,759 Speaker 2: because there was nothing she could have did. I mean, 860 00:45:59,760 --> 00:46:01,720 Speaker 2: the only thing that she could have did was comforted 861 00:46:01,800 --> 00:46:05,239 Speaker 2: him and held his hand and said that she loved him. 862 00:46:05,280 --> 00:46:08,560 Speaker 3: But she couldn't fit the situation. 863 00:46:15,080 --> 00:46:20,480 Speaker 1: Heartbreaking, absolutely heartbreaking. Again. Please, if you haven't seen it, 864 00:46:21,080 --> 00:46:24,640 Speaker 1: go check it out and do yourself a favorite. Educate 865 00:46:24,680 --> 00:46:29,719 Speaker 1: yourself on Chris's career and watch a match or two 866 00:46:29,840 --> 00:46:32,239 Speaker 1: and see what he left on the business, because it's 867 00:46:32,280 --> 00:46:38,920 Speaker 1: a very strong impact. So if there's nothing else to add, Francine, 868 00:46:38,920 --> 00:46:42,120 Speaker 1: I'll wrap it up for you and we'll catch you 869 00:46:42,200 --> 00:46:47,120 Speaker 1: next time on Eyes up here for the Queen of Extreme, 870 00:46:48,000 --> 00:46:48,800 Speaker 1: says the Chancellor. 871 00:46:50,000 --> 00:46:50,920 Speaker 4: No gimmicks needed,