WEBVTT - You're A Table Full Of Pimmels 0:00:01.880 --> 0:00:06.120 Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George 0:00:06.240 --> 0:00:07.840 Washington Broadcast. 0:00:07.360 --> 0:00:11.320 Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Gatty 0:00:11.640 --> 0:00:17.280 and he Armstrong and Yetty. 0:00:24.280 --> 0:00:29.639 Germany is cracking down. We were with the German police 0:00:29.680 --> 0:00:33.280 as they conducted early morning raids on citizens who had 0:00:33.320 --> 0:00:38.400 been accused of hate speech, threats and inciting violence online. 0:00:38.040 --> 0:00:38.840 In the United States. 0:00:38.880 --> 0:00:40.440 A lot of people look at this and say, this 0:00:40.560 --> 0:00:42.120 is restricting free speech. 0:00:42.280 --> 0:00:44.440 It's a threat to democracy. 0:00:44.240 --> 0:00:47.400 Free speech meets boundaries. 0:00:48.200 --> 0:00:51.360 Wow, and yeah, you throw in the German accent and 0:00:52.159 --> 0:00:56.240 that's really something that's from that's from sixty minutes Sunday night, 0:00:56.280 --> 0:00:59.480 coming on the heels of jd Vance giving Europe a 0:00:59.560 --> 0:01:03.560 lecture about censorship and be an anti free speech over 0:01:03.600 --> 0:01:03.960 the weekend. 0:01:04.520 --> 0:01:10.199 And as we will discuss, the sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly, 0:01:10.360 --> 0:01:14.280 troublingly positive about the idea of restricting free speech if 0:01:14.280 --> 0:01:18.560 it's the wrong speech. Made even more notable their awful 0:01:19.080 --> 0:01:21.600 attitude by the fact that it occurred on the same 0:01:21.720 --> 0:01:25.199 day as this clip Margaret Brennan talking to Marco Rubio on. 0:01:25.120 --> 0:01:28.080 Face the Nation, he was standing in a country where 0:01:28.160 --> 0:01:32.880 free speech was weaponized to kentuct a genocide, and he 0:01:32.959 --> 0:01:36.279 met with the head of a political party that has 0:01:36.760 --> 0:01:42.520 far right views and some historic ties to extreme groups. 0:01:43.480 --> 0:01:46.959 Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest that JD. Vance shouldn't have 0:01:47.000 --> 0:01:49.560 advocated free speech because free speech is what led to 0:01:49.600 --> 0:01:55.680 the genocide in Germany against the Jews, which is almost 0:01:55.800 --> 0:02:00.920 hilariously idiotic and so wildly inaccurate. It's barely worth the 0:02:00.960 --> 0:02:05.280 time to describe how incredibly inaccurate it was free speech 0:02:05.360 --> 0:02:10.520 under Hitler. When was that exactly, asks every historian on Earth. 0:02:11.160 --> 0:02:13.519 I know, I'm mister hyperbole, but I feel like that's 0:02:13.560 --> 0:02:17.280 one of the craziest things I've ever heard. One of 0:02:17.280 --> 0:02:21.760 the major Sunday Show anchors say it is Jada Advan Questionably, 0:02:21.840 --> 0:02:25.880 Jade Evans was standing in Germany where the rise of 0:02:25.919 --> 0:02:29.760 fascism having in a genocide and they weaponized free speech. 0:02:30.560 --> 0:02:35.840 What are you talking about? Oh my god, Yeah, she's nuts. 0:02:37.120 --> 0:02:40.600 I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview. 0:02:40.639 --> 0:02:43.160 I guess we'll learn more of this. Well I do. 0:02:44.320 --> 0:02:46.640 I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust 0:02:46.680 --> 0:02:50.000 for power. If you control speech, you control everything else. 0:02:50.120 --> 0:02:52.360 But how does that work in a democracy, don't you 0:02:52.760 --> 0:02:55.959 The other side gets to do it too when they're 0:02:55.960 --> 0:02:58.040 in charge. Again. 0:02:58.240 --> 0:03:01.560 I hate even going to that argument because then it 0:03:01.639 --> 0:03:06.000 makes it a conditional thing. Well, for practical reasons, I 0:03:06.040 --> 0:03:09.120 guess you're right. I won't limit free speech. I don't 0:03:09.120 --> 0:03:15.079 even want to go there, right, It's horrific, horrific, and 0:03:15.840 --> 0:03:18.359 how you get there in a democracy. The other thing 0:03:18.440 --> 0:03:21.720 is you declare an emergency. Happens all the time both parties. 0:03:21.800 --> 0:03:23.720 This is Trump's doing it right now, and I don't 0:03:23.760 --> 0:03:26.760 approve of it. There are half a dozen different emergencies 0:03:26.760 --> 0:03:29.560 he's declared which are highly questionable for the purpose of 0:03:29.560 --> 0:03:32.080 gaining emergency powers. I hate it on both sides. We 0:03:32.120 --> 0:03:34.560 need to stop anyway back to sixty minutes. Do you 0:03:34.600 --> 0:03:37.680 want to ring lean our way through the cliffs? Doesn't 0:03:37.720 --> 0:03:40.040 really matter. We can start with eighty Michael. 0:03:40.680 --> 0:03:43.600 It's six oh one on a Tuesday morning, and we 0:03:43.600 --> 0:03:46.520 were with state police as they rated this apartment in 0:03:46.600 --> 0:03:48.120 northwest Germany. 0:03:47.920 --> 0:03:49.840 Just to put it inside them at the moment hum 0:03:49.880 --> 0:03:50.040 of the. 0:03:50.120 --> 0:03:55.240 Eden inside, six armed officers searched to suspects home, then 0:03:55.320 --> 0:04:00.120 seized his laptop and sell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics 0:04:00.160 --> 0:04:03.560 may have been used to commit a crime, the crime 0:04:04.080 --> 0:04:08.160 posting a racist cartoon online at the exact same time 0:04:08.240 --> 0:04:09.360 across Germany, it's. 0:04:09.240 --> 0:04:11.640 All the online as Unsas for Newborn hold. 0:04:11.760 --> 0:04:14.920 More than fifty similar raids played out, part of what 0:04:15.080 --> 0:04:19.400 prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate 0:04:19.400 --> 0:04:20.600 speech in Germany. 0:04:20.839 --> 0:04:24.280 And the one guy points out, maybe it will be 0:04:24.279 --> 0:04:27.760 in one of these clips, the seven thousand cases or 0:04:27.760 --> 0:04:32.000 something that they investigated last year. Wow, that's a lot 0:04:32.160 --> 0:04:34.800 in a country much smaller than the United States. Imagine 0:04:34.800 --> 0:04:36.640 what that would look like in the United States. And 0:04:36.839 --> 0:04:38.920 hate speech, of course, the one of the problems with 0:04:38.960 --> 0:04:43.159 hate speech being who's determining its hate speech, who's making 0:04:43.200 --> 0:04:46.479 the judgment on that? Yeah, Sharon Alfonsi very helpful. 0:04:46.480 --> 0:04:48.520 He just saved us the trouble and told us the 0:04:48.600 --> 0:04:51.320 cartoon was racist, putting aside whether you know you should 0:04:51.320 --> 0:04:54.039 limit free speech on the basis of quote unquote racism anyway, 0:04:54.400 --> 0:04:55.760 but yeah, what did it say? 0:04:55.800 --> 0:04:58.320 In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against? 0:04:58.400 --> 0:04:58.479 What? 0:04:58.880 --> 0:05:01.560 Give me the specific fixed you're asking for the right 0:05:01.600 --> 0:05:03.680 to censor me, and you just say, take my word. 0:05:03.720 --> 0:05:05.479 It was terrible. This part is amazing. 0:05:06.000 --> 0:05:09.280 Wasn't the typical reaction when the police show up at 0:05:09.279 --> 0:05:12.480 somebody's door and they say, hey, we will leave. 0:05:12.560 --> 0:05:15.080 You wrote this on the internet, they say. 0:05:15.640 --> 0:05:18.480 In Germany, we say that's what my mos off, my zogenduff. 0:05:18.520 --> 0:05:21.840 And so we here with crimes of talking posting an 0:05:21.839 --> 0:05:25.440 internet and the people are surprised that this is really 0:05:26.240 --> 0:05:29.280 illegal to post these kind of words. 0:05:29.360 --> 0:05:31.400 They don't think it was illegal. Oh, they don't think 0:05:31.440 --> 0:05:32.160 it was illegal. 0:05:32.480 --> 0:05:35.400 And they say, no, that's my free speech, and we 0:05:35.480 --> 0:05:38.240 say no, yeah, free speech as well, but it also 0:05:38.360 --> 0:05:39.520 has limits. 0:05:41.080 --> 0:05:44.159 I don't see. I don't, I can't. I've got to 0:05:44.200 --> 0:05:47.359 accept that. It's just true that obviously, smart people in 0:05:47.440 --> 0:05:49.920 charge of things can say words like that. How can 0:05:49.960 --> 0:05:52.200 you sail it? Free speech has its limits, Well, then 0:05:52.240 --> 0:05:55.760 it's not free speech. You just nullified the first part 0:05:55.760 --> 0:05:58.040 of your sentence. What the second part of the sentence. 0:05:59.480 --> 0:06:02.960 Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are 0:06:03.200 --> 0:06:06.560 extremely limited limits. The people like this just say, hey, 0:06:06.600 --> 0:06:08.719 because there are limits, there there can be more limits, 0:06:08.720 --> 0:06:10.160 and I will decide what limits there are. 0:06:11.279 --> 0:06:15.440 Control your soul's desire for freedom. Yeah, that's which I respond. No, 0:06:15.560 --> 0:06:18.080 you don't get to decided. No freaking way control your 0:06:18.080 --> 0:06:20.960 soul's desire for freedom, they say in China. This part 0:06:21.000 --> 0:06:22.320 amazed me. I was unaware of this. 0:06:22.680 --> 0:06:26.760 It's a legal to display Nazi symbolism, a swasika, deny 0:06:26.920 --> 0:06:27.520 the Holocaust. 0:06:27.600 --> 0:06:28.640 That's that's clear. 0:06:29.320 --> 0:06:32.920 Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes, yes, 0:06:33.800 --> 0:06:36.320 and it's a crime to insult them online as well. 0:06:36.520 --> 0:06:36.839 Yes. 0:06:37.200 --> 0:06:39.320 The fine could be even higher. 0:06:39.920 --> 0:06:43.680 Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because 0:06:43.920 --> 0:06:47.360 in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at 0:06:47.360 --> 0:06:50.480 face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish. 0:06:50.800 --> 0:06:52.680 But if you're in the internet, if I insult you 0:06:52.839 --> 0:06:53.960 or a politician, that. 0:06:54.040 --> 0:06:55.000 Sticks around forever. 0:06:55.200 --> 0:06:55.479 Yeah. 0:06:55.560 --> 0:06:58.320 So she says to these three people, it's a fine, 0:06:58.360 --> 0:07:01.000 there's a fine two in if you insult someone, and 0:07:01.000 --> 0:07:04.400 they'll just say yeah, like you know, of course what 0:07:04.720 --> 0:07:06.719 and what defines an insult? 0:07:07.640 --> 0:07:11.480 And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the 0:07:11.520 --> 0:07:14.680 era certainly on university campuses and in government in some 0:07:14.720 --> 0:07:20.160 other places where if you are insulted that's proof that 0:07:20.240 --> 0:07:23.000 the other person is done wrong. You remember, I didn't 0:07:23.040 --> 0:07:25.600 mean that to be racist. It doesn't matter what you meant, 0:07:25.840 --> 0:07:29.360 it's how I received it, So you give the person 0:07:29.480 --> 0:07:33.480 receiving it the carte blanche to declare whatever they want 0:07:33.760 --> 0:07:37.400 to be insulting or hurtful, or racist or abusive, Islam 0:07:37.520 --> 0:07:40.880 or whatever, and therefore that falls within. 0:07:40.720 --> 0:07:41.720 Well, that's hate speech. 0:07:41.800 --> 0:07:43.920 Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say 0:07:43.960 --> 0:07:47.640 any to make any criticism that anybody could even implausibly 0:07:47.680 --> 0:07:48.640 claim is insulting. 0:07:48.760 --> 0:07:49.400 It's horrible. 0:07:49.480 --> 0:07:52.720 So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron, I assume 0:07:52.760 --> 0:07:55.760 that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't post it, 0:07:55.800 --> 0:07:56.600 maybe you just did this. 0:07:57.680 --> 0:08:01.880 If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody 0:08:01.880 --> 0:08:05.800 else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime. 0:08:06.160 --> 0:08:08.560 In the case of reposting it as a crime as well, 0:08:08.600 --> 0:08:13.560 because the reader contistinguished whether you just invented this or 0:08:13.680 --> 0:08:14.680 just reposted it. 0:08:14.760 --> 0:08:15.640 That's the same for us. 0:08:17.280 --> 0:08:18.920 So when I was listening to that one, I was 0:08:18.960 --> 0:08:23.760 thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad 0:08:24.600 --> 0:08:27.560 that way we had playing in the United States. Donald 0:08:27.640 --> 0:08:32.080 Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely 0:08:32.120 --> 0:08:37.240 a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty Minutes 0:08:37.320 --> 0:08:41.040 is on. Would you consider that a crime or only 0:08:41.080 --> 0:08:43.240 when it's coming from the other side. See that's that's 0:08:43.240 --> 0:08:45.040 where the rubber meets the road on this whole thing 0:08:45.040 --> 0:08:47.559 and it gets, you know, unworkable. 0:08:48.000 --> 0:08:48.160 Yeah. 0:08:48.200 --> 0:08:52.000 I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc. 0:08:52.280 --> 0:08:55.520 That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's 0:08:55.679 --> 0:08:58.120 just a lust for power the other thing that really 0:08:58.200 --> 0:08:59.760 and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most 0:08:59.800 --> 0:09:02.920 fun ndamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed. 0:09:03.760 --> 0:09:05.640 But you know what annoyed the crap out of me 0:09:06.040 --> 0:09:07.440 was when they're and I'm not sure if we have 0:09:07.480 --> 0:09:09.480 these clips, but they were talking about the fines, which 0:09:09.480 --> 0:09:11.520 are fairly heavy. I mean it's thousands of dollars in 0:09:11.559 --> 0:09:15.240 fines and multiple offenses can put you in jail. But 0:09:15.360 --> 0:09:19.400 some people just have their phones and their laptops confiscated 0:09:19.679 --> 0:09:20.080 for good. 0:09:20.160 --> 0:09:21.040 They don't get them back. 0:09:21.200 --> 0:09:25.720 And Cheryl Fonsi said, your phone, wow, because everything's on there. 0:09:25.840 --> 0:09:26.679 That is tough. 0:09:27.000 --> 0:09:30.520 And she was amused at the idea of these people 0:09:30.520 --> 0:09:33.400 who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech 0:09:33.559 --> 0:09:36.760 getting their devices taken away and not getting access to 0:09:36.800 --> 0:09:37.880 them anymore. 0:09:37.920 --> 0:09:40.760 She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke. They come 0:09:40.800 --> 0:09:42.520 and take your laptop and your phone and you don't 0:09:42.520 --> 0:09:46.559 get it back, and to a certain crowd, that's awesome. 0:09:46.800 --> 0:09:49.120 This story I found amusing, but it. 0:09:49.040 --> 0:09:52.400 Was a twenty twenty one case involving a local politician 0:09:52.760 --> 0:09:57.640 named Andy Grot that captured the country's attention. Grow complained 0:09:57.679 --> 0:10:00.640 about a tweet that called him a pimmel, a German 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:04.000 word for the mail, anatomy that triggered a police rate 0:10:04.320 --> 0:10:09.080 and accusations of excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors 0:10:09.080 --> 0:10:13.280 explain to us, in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online, 0:10:13.760 --> 0:10:16.840 but it can be a crime to call anyone a pimle, 0:10:17.400 --> 0:10:20.800 even a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's 0:10:20.840 --> 0:10:27.560 okay to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say 0:10:27.760 --> 0:10:29.240 I think you're a jerk and idiot. 0:10:29.720 --> 0:10:33.080 Exactly. Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch. Excuse 0:10:33.120 --> 0:10:35.360 me forward. This word has nothing to. 0:10:35.320 --> 0:10:39.080 Do with a political discussions or a contribution. 0:10:38.679 --> 0:10:39.439 To a discussion. 0:10:42.000 --> 0:10:43.080 But that's amazing. 0:10:44.240 --> 0:10:48.640 It's one of the great canards that sensors use. Here's 0:10:48.679 --> 0:10:53.240 an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then 0:10:53.280 --> 0:10:55.840 you're supposed to extrapolate from there therefore, I trust you 0:10:55.880 --> 0:10:58.880 to censor whenever you want. 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There's 0:12:33.960 --> 0:12:35.880 no safe flight simply Safe. 0:12:36.040 --> 0:12:38.160 We'll have to play some more of this from the 0:12:38.200 --> 0:12:40.320 sixty minutes when we come back, some more amazing stories. 0:12:40.320 --> 0:12:42.640 But we all lived through this in the United States, 0:12:42.679 --> 0:12:46.280 so we know how off track this can get so fast. 0:12:46.840 --> 0:12:52.640 When it was basically against the rules to say, you know, 0:12:52.679 --> 0:12:54.679 I think the virus probably came out of that lab, 0:12:54.800 --> 0:12:56.800 you couldn't say it for a couple of years. 0:12:56.960 --> 0:12:59.480 Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law 0:12:59.559 --> 0:13:02.040 enforce in the ways we're used to. But you would 0:13:02.040 --> 0:13:04.559 be punished by proxy by the government. 0:13:04.280 --> 0:13:08.280 And CBS, it would seem, and many others. A lot 0:13:08.280 --> 0:13:11.040 of college professors want it to be against the law 0:13:12.040 --> 0:13:15.439 to post misinformation and again. 0:13:15.960 --> 0:13:19.080 Misinformation like if you get the inoculation, you can still 0:13:19.120 --> 0:13:21.240 get COVID and you can still spread it. 0:13:21.360 --> 0:13:25.400 That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One true, they're 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.840 so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then we 0:13:27.880 --> 0:13:30.760 got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too. That 0:13:30.920 --> 0:13:33.120 is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on the way. 0:13:33.240 --> 0:13:43.040 I can show your soul's desire for freedom. 0:13:39.720 --> 0:13:43.640 SNL fifty anniversary special that I watched the whole thing 0:13:43.840 --> 0:13:45.840 on Sunday night. I was highly amused. 0:13:47.080 --> 0:13:49.439 I had to stop, like a lot of people after 0:13:49.480 --> 0:13:51.640 an early sketch. I went back to it later, but 0:13:51.679 --> 0:13:52.760 it was incredibly annoying. 0:13:52.920 --> 0:13:57.160 I couldn't believe the star studded audience. Oh my god, 0:13:57.800 --> 0:14:01.080 that was That was quite the collection of famous people 0:14:01.360 --> 0:14:05.000 in one room. We're focusing a little bit on sixty 0:14:05.000 --> 0:14:07.040 minutes from Sunday night because it was one of the 0:14:07.080 --> 0:14:09.880 more astounding things I've ever seen and I've watched practically 0:14:09.920 --> 0:14:14.080 every Sixty Minutes episode of the last forty years. That 0:14:14.240 --> 0:14:19.880 was just crazy CBS's enthusiasm for cracking down on free speech, 0:14:19.920 --> 0:14:23.640 and they're sort of like portraying Germany's models. Isn't this 0:14:23.720 --> 0:14:26.880 fantastic how they'll arrest you if you insult somebody, or 0:14:26.880 --> 0:14:29.320 if you put a cartoon somebody doesn't like on the internet, 0:14:29.800 --> 0:14:32.560 or if you engage in misinformation and disinformation. 0:14:32.720 --> 0:14:36.600 I would characterize it as sixty Minutes gets an enthusiastic 0:14:36.720 --> 0:14:39.000 lesson from the Germans on how to crack down on 0:14:39.320 --> 0:14:40.680 irresponsible speech. 0:14:40.720 --> 0:14:43.480 There's a little of German authorities laying out how it works. 0:14:43.800 --> 0:14:47.520 Josephine Ballone is a CEO of Hate eight, a Berlin 0:14:47.640 --> 0:14:52.880 based human rights organization that supports victims of online violence. 0:14:52.760 --> 0:14:53.560 In the United States. 0:14:53.640 --> 0:14:55.160 A lot of people look at this and say, this 0:14:55.280 --> 0:14:58.520 is restricting free speech. It's a threat to democracy. 0:14:59.040 --> 0:15:04.960 Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany, 0:15:05.320 --> 0:15:10.480 these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a 0:15:10.640 --> 0:15:15.520 very small group of people can rely on endless freedom 0:15:15.640 --> 0:15:19.200 to say anything that they want while everyone else is 0:15:19.680 --> 0:15:21.040 scared and intimidated. 0:15:21.360 --> 0:15:25.200 In your fears that if people are freely attacked online 0:15:25.280 --> 0:15:28.400 that they'll withdraw from the discussion. 0:15:28.680 --> 0:15:30.960 This is not only a field, it's already taking place. 0:15:31.280 --> 0:15:31.720 Already. 0:15:31.760 --> 0:15:34.800 Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to 0:15:34.960 --> 0:15:38.920 express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public 0:15:38.920 --> 0:15:41.600 debates online anymore, half of the internet users. 0:15:41.880 --> 0:15:44.440 I'm honest to god, I was listening to this in 0:15:44.440 --> 0:15:47.480 my car. I had to pull over my car and 0:15:47.560 --> 0:15:50.600 replay that. I was so amazed at what that woman 0:15:50.760 --> 0:15:54.520 just said. So first of all, she says, without boundaries, 0:15:54.560 --> 0:15:58.480 a small group of people could control the conversation, and 0:15:58.880 --> 0:16:03.720 with boundaries, a small group of people controls the conversation. 0:16:04.160 --> 0:16:08.280 And I mean, come on, obviously, And then she says, uh, 0:16:08.320 --> 0:16:09.960 what did she say? It lit it on my mind 0:16:10.080 --> 0:16:13.600 was the next thing she said. Damn it. I got 0:16:13.600 --> 0:16:15.360 so worked up over the first part. How does she 0:16:15.440 --> 0:16:19.440 not understand that, Yeah, a few people control the conversation. 0:16:19.560 --> 0:16:22.640 Then you argue against them. So you're suggesting a small 0:16:22.640 --> 0:16:25.200 group of people control the entire conversation. 0:16:25.360 --> 0:16:25.520 Oh. 0:16:25.520 --> 0:16:28.960 The second part was if you have there are people 0:16:28.960 --> 0:16:31.760 out there that are intimidated to put things online because 0:16:31.800 --> 0:16:34.360 somebody will say something mean to them. So you want 0:16:34.480 --> 0:16:38.480 rules where everybody's intimidated to say what they think because 0:16:38.480 --> 0:16:43.240 they'll Linda find her in jail. What are you talking about? Yeah? 0:16:43.280 --> 0:16:46.080 And just as an American the history of who gets 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:49.360 ruined and run out of their career and harassed and 0:16:49.440 --> 0:16:52.960 docked because they made a politically incorrect comment many years ago. 0:16:53.160 --> 0:16:55.560 Yeah, it cuts both ways, doesn't it. And then fine, 0:16:55.600 --> 0:16:58.560 and then this little part here where this politician was 0:16:58.600 --> 0:17:01.120 talking about how she had been in online or wronged 0:17:01.160 --> 0:17:06.520 online and how she handled it, the little one ady 0:17:06.640 --> 0:17:10.280 the b This court said, in case of. 0:17:11.760 --> 0:17:17.000 Public servants which have public offices and jobs, it's public 0:17:17.119 --> 0:17:22.119 interest that their personal rights are protected, because otherwise no 0:17:22.200 --> 0:17:24.760 one would go for these jobs. You know that wore 0:17:24.840 --> 0:17:25.760 tom democracy. 0:17:26.440 --> 0:17:30.200 After all this, are you seeing less hateful comments now 0:17:30.240 --> 0:17:31.840 on your social media feeds? 0:17:32.240 --> 0:17:36.560 Yes, there are less hateful comments. And there was one 0:17:36.880 --> 0:17:40.600 tweet which says, don't say that to her, she will 0:17:40.640 --> 0:17:41.359 take you to court. 0:17:42.359 --> 0:17:43.240 You might sue them. 0:17:44.040 --> 0:17:44.880 I might sue them. 0:17:45.280 --> 0:17:47.399 And the cherway of Ponzi was just, oh, yes, you 0:17:47.480 --> 0:17:50.879 might sue them. Isn't that great? Somebody said something negative 0:17:50.880 --> 0:17:55.040 of you about you online and you'll sue them. That's fantastic. JD. 0:17:55.200 --> 0:17:58.320 Vance's fabulous speech in front of the Euros. In a 0:17:58.359 --> 0:18:04.000 related story, stay with US Armstrong and Getty in Munich. 0:18:04.080 --> 0:18:05.600 This week, Vice President JD. 0:18:05.760 --> 0:18:09.600 Vance stunned America's European allies by saying it is their 0:18:09.680 --> 0:18:13.360 governments and not Russia or China that represent the biggest 0:18:13.400 --> 0:18:15.000 threat to security in the region. 0:18:15.440 --> 0:18:18.080 The threat that I worry the most about visa the 0:18:18.240 --> 0:18:21.720 Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any 0:18:21.760 --> 0:18:25.360 other external actor. And what I worry about is the 0:18:25.400 --> 0:18:30.480 threat from within the retreat of Europe from some of 0:18:30.520 --> 0:18:31.919 its most fundamental values. 0:18:32.280 --> 0:18:34.000 Yeah, we're going to get a little more of what 0:18:34.119 --> 0:18:36.240 JD said in Europe, and he is talking about this 0:18:36.280 --> 0:18:38.760 free speech stuff. We're talking a lot about it this 0:18:38.880 --> 0:18:42.120 hour because it's well one, it's a really, really big deal, 0:18:42.359 --> 0:18:46.560 and Joe and I are really into it. But I 0:18:46.600 --> 0:18:48.600 continue to be shocked. We got a text from somebody 0:18:48.600 --> 0:18:51.120 who said, yeah, I saw the promos for sixty minutes 0:18:51.160 --> 0:18:52.960 and I just assumed they were going to take a 0:18:53.000 --> 0:18:56.800 somewhat adversarial approach as a news outlet to what they're 0:18:56.840 --> 0:18:59.520 doing in Germany. But no, they were cheerleaders for the 0:18:59.560 --> 0:19:03.560 fact that Germany is censoring all kinds of speech, which 0:19:03.600 --> 0:19:09.520 is interesting. But anyway to jd Vance's attack on Europe, 0:19:10.400 --> 0:19:13.040 which the Europeans did not take well, specifically the Germans. 0:19:13.119 --> 0:19:15.600 He gave the speech in Munich. This is from the 0:19:15.640 --> 0:19:19.680 Financial Times. A prominent German politician told me that was 0:19:19.720 --> 0:19:23.880 a direct assault on European democracy. The senior diplomat said, 0:19:23.920 --> 0:19:26.480 it is very clear now Europe is alone. When I 0:19:26.480 --> 0:19:28.800 ask him if he now regarded the US as an adversary, 0:19:28.880 --> 0:19:34.520 he replied yes, the senior German diplomat Yeah, yeah. 0:19:34.720 --> 0:19:37.840 More analysis of the back and forth to come. But 0:19:37.960 --> 0:19:40.440 let's get jd Vance in his own words. First ball, 0:19:40.480 --> 0:19:43.000 flesh out the thing you already heard ninety two. 0:19:42.960 --> 0:19:46.439 Michael, The threat that I worry the most about visa 0:19:46.480 --> 0:19:49.760 e Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not 0:19:49.920 --> 0:19:53.560 any other external actor. And what I worry about is 0:19:53.640 --> 0:19:58.800 the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some 0:19:58.880 --> 0:20:02.199 of its most fundamental values, values shared with the United 0:20:02.200 --> 0:20:03.000 States of America. 0:20:03.520 --> 0:20:06.159 Well, that just added one half a sentence. Sorry, next clip. 0:20:06.400 --> 0:20:11.200 And speaking up and expressing opinions isn't election interference, even 0:20:11.200 --> 0:20:15.160 when people express views outside your own country, and even 0:20:15.160 --> 0:20:19.119 when those people are very influential. And trust me, I 0:20:19.160 --> 0:20:22.920 say this with all humor. If American democracy can survive 0:20:23.119 --> 0:20:27.040 ten years of Thunberg scolding you guys can survive a 0:20:27.080 --> 0:20:33.160 few months of Elon Musk. But what German democracy, what 0:20:33.240 --> 0:20:38.200 no democracy, American, German or European will survive, is telling 0:20:38.240 --> 0:20:41.720 millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations, 0:20:42.119 --> 0:20:46.600 their pleas for relief are invalid or unworthy of even 0:20:46.840 --> 0:20:47.919 being considered. 0:20:48.119 --> 0:20:50.000 Yet, I remember if he said it in a speech 0:20:50.080 --> 0:20:52.679 or just an interviewed afterwards, the rise of some of 0:20:52.680 --> 0:20:56.720 these parties on the right is because they're not getting 0:20:56.920 --> 0:20:58.760 that their voice is not heard in any way. 0:20:59.560 --> 0:21:01.760 Right, Yeah, Indeed, that was the point I was going 0:21:01.840 --> 0:21:03.679 to get to a little more of JD. If you 0:21:03.720 --> 0:21:06.200 were afraid of the voices, the opinions, and the conscience 0:21:06.240 --> 0:21:10.000 that guide your own people, then there's nothing America can 0:21:10.040 --> 0:21:12.560 do for you. Among the problems he went on to 0:21:13.160 --> 0:21:17.159