Speaker 1: Broadcasting live from the Abraham Lincoln Radio Studio, the George
Speaker 1: Washington Broadcast.
Speaker 2: Center, Jack Armstrong and Joe Getty arm Strong and Gatty
Speaker 2: and he Armstrong and Yetty.
Speaker 1: Germany is cracking down. We were with the German police
Speaker 1: as they conducted early morning raids on citizens who had
Speaker 1: been accused of hate speech, threats and inciting violence online.
Speaker 3: In the United States.
Speaker 1: A lot of people look at this and say, this
Speaker 1: is restricting free speech.
Speaker 2: It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4: Free speech meets boundaries.
Speaker 2: Wow, and yeah, you throw in the German accent and
Speaker 2: that's really something that's from that's from sixty minutes Sunday night,
Speaker 2: coming on the heels of jd Vance giving Europe a
Speaker 2: lecture about censorship and be an anti free speech over
Speaker 2: the weekend.
Speaker 5: And as we will discuss, the sixty minutes report was gleefully, weirdly,
Speaker 5: troublingly positive about the idea of restricting free speech if
Speaker 5: it's the wrong speech. Made even more notable their awful
Speaker 5: attitude by the fact that it occurred on the same
Speaker 5: day as this clip Margaret Brennan talking to Marco Rubio on.
Speaker 6: Face the Nation, he was standing in a country where
Speaker 6: free speech was weaponized to kentuct a genocide, and he
Speaker 6: met with the head of a political party that has
Speaker 6: far right views and some historic ties to extreme groups.
Speaker 5: Margaret Brennan attempting to suggest that JD. Vance shouldn't have
Speaker 5: advocated free speech because free speech is what led to
Speaker 5: the genocide in Germany against the Jews, which is almost
Speaker 5: hilariously idiotic and so wildly inaccurate. It's barely worth the
Speaker 5: time to describe how incredibly inaccurate it was free speech
Speaker 5: under Hitler. When was that exactly, asks every historian on Earth.
Speaker 2: I know, I'm mister hyperbole, but I feel like that's
Speaker 2: one of the craziest things I've ever heard. One of
Speaker 2: the major Sunday Show anchors say it is Jada Advan Questionably,
Speaker 2: Jade Evans was standing in Germany where the rise of
Speaker 2: fascism having in a genocide and they weaponized free speech.
Speaker 2: What are you talking about? Oh my god, Yeah, she's nuts.
Speaker 2: I'm so lost on this. I don't understand their worldview.
Speaker 2: I guess we'll learn more of this. Well I do.
Speaker 5: I can describe it to you exactly. It's the lust
Speaker 5: for power. If you control speech, you control everything else.
Speaker 2: But how does that work in a democracy, don't you
Speaker 2: The other side gets to do it too when they're
Speaker 2: in charge. Again.
Speaker 5: I hate even going to that argument because then it
Speaker 5: makes it a conditional thing. Well, for practical reasons, I
Speaker 5: guess you're right. I won't limit free speech. I don't
Speaker 5: even want to go there, right, It's horrific, horrific, and
Speaker 5: how you get there in a democracy. The other thing
Speaker 5: is you declare an emergency. Happens all the time both parties.
Speaker 5: This is Trump's doing it right now, and I don't
Speaker 5: approve of it. There are half a dozen different emergencies
Speaker 5: he's declared which are highly questionable for the purpose of
Speaker 5: gaining emergency powers. I hate it on both sides. We
Speaker 5: need to stop anyway back to sixty minutes. Do you
Speaker 5: want to ring lean our way through the cliffs? Doesn't
Speaker 5: really matter. We can start with eighty Michael.
Speaker 1: It's six oh one on a Tuesday morning, and we
Speaker 1: were with state police as they rated this apartment in
Speaker 1: northwest Germany.
Speaker 4: Just to put it inside them at the moment hum
Speaker 4: of the.
Speaker 1: Eden inside, six armed officers searched to suspects home, then
Speaker 1: seized his laptop and sell phone. Prosecutors say those electronics
Speaker 1: may have been used to commit a crime, the crime
Speaker 1: posting a racist cartoon online at the exact same time
Speaker 1: across Germany, it's.
Speaker 3: All the online as Unsas for Newborn hold.
Speaker 1: More than fifty similar raids played out, part of what
Speaker 1: prosecutors say is a coordinated effort to curb online hate
Speaker 1: speech in Germany.
Speaker 2: And the one guy points out, maybe it will be
Speaker 2: in one of these clips, the seven thousand cases or
Speaker 2: something that they investigated last year. Wow, that's a lot
Speaker 2: in a country much smaller than the United States. Imagine
Speaker 2: what that would look like in the United States. And
Speaker 2: hate speech, of course, the one of the problems with
Speaker 2: hate speech being who's determining its hate speech, who's making
Speaker 2: the judgment on that? Yeah, Sharon Alfonsi very helpful.
Speaker 5: He just saved us the trouble and told us the
Speaker 5: cartoon was racist, putting aside whether you know you should
Speaker 5: limit free speech on the basis of quote unquote racism anyway,
Speaker 5: but yeah, what did it say?
Speaker 2: In what sense? Was it racist? Who is it racist against?
Speaker 7: What?
Speaker 5: Give me the specific fixed you're asking for the right
Speaker 5: to censor me, and you just say, take my word.
Speaker 2: It was terrible. This part is amazing.
Speaker 1: Wasn't the typical reaction when the police show up at
Speaker 1: somebody's door and they say, hey, we will leave.
Speaker 3: You wrote this on the internet, they say.
Speaker 8: In Germany, we say that's what my mos off, my zogenduff.
Speaker 8: And so we here with crimes of talking posting an
Speaker 8: internet and the people are surprised that this is really
Speaker 8: illegal to post these kind of words.
Speaker 3: They don't think it was illegal. Oh, they don't think
Speaker 3: it was illegal.
Speaker 8: And they say, no, that's my free speech, and we
Speaker 8: say no, yeah, free speech as well, but it also
Speaker 8: has limits.
Speaker 2: I don't see. I don't, I can't. I've got to
Speaker 2: accept that. It's just true that obviously, smart people in
Speaker 2: charge of things can say words like that. How can
Speaker 2: you sail it? Free speech has its limits, Well, then
Speaker 2: it's not free speech. You just nullified the first part
Speaker 2: of your sentence. What the second part of the sentence.
Speaker 5: Everybody understands that there are certain limits, but they are
Speaker 5: extremely limited limits. The people like this just say, hey,
Speaker 5: because there are limits, there there can be more limits,
Speaker 5: and I will decide what limits there are.
Speaker 2: Control your soul's desire for freedom. Yeah, that's which I respond. No,
Speaker 2: you don't get to decided. No freaking way control your
Speaker 2: soul's desire for freedom, they say in China. This part
Speaker 2: amazed me. I was unaware of this.
Speaker 1: It's a legal to display Nazi symbolism, a swasika, deny
Speaker 1: the Holocaust.
Speaker 2: That's that's clear.
Speaker 1: Is it a crime to insult somebody in public? Yes, yes,
Speaker 1: and it's a crime to insult them online as well.
Speaker 2: Yes.
Speaker 3: The fine could be even higher.
Speaker 8: Yeah, if you insult someone in the internet, why because
Speaker 8: in Internet it stays there. If we are talking at
Speaker 8: face to face, you insult me and sold you okay, finish.
Speaker 8: But if you're in the internet, if I insult you
Speaker 8: or a politician, that.
Speaker 9: Sticks around forever.
Speaker 3: Yeah.
Speaker 2: So she says to these three people, it's a fine,
Speaker 2: there's a fine two in if you insult someone, and
Speaker 2: they'll just say yeah, like you know, of course what
Speaker 2: and what defines an insult?
Speaker 5: And folks keep in mind, remember we're still in the
Speaker 5: era certainly on university campuses and in government in some
Speaker 5: other places where if you are insulted that's proof that
Speaker 5: the other person is done wrong. You remember, I didn't
Speaker 5: mean that to be racist. It doesn't matter what you meant,
Speaker 5: it's how I received it, So you give the person
Speaker 5: receiving it the carte blanche to declare whatever they want
Speaker 5: to be insulting or hurtful, or racist or abusive, Islam
Speaker 5: or whatever, and therefore that falls within.
Speaker 2: Well, that's hate speech.
Speaker 5: Sorry, we're going to take away your right to say
Speaker 5: any to make any criticism that anybody could even implausibly
Speaker 5: claim is insulting.
Speaker 3: It's horrible.
Speaker 2: So somebody posts the Chancellor is a moron, I assume
Speaker 2: that would be a crime. Maybe you didn't post it,
Speaker 2: maybe you just did this.
Speaker 1: If somebody posts something that's not true and then somebody
Speaker 1: else reposts it or likes it, are they committing a crime.
Speaker 8: In the case of reposting it as a crime as well,
Speaker 8: because the reader contistinguished whether you just invented this or
Speaker 8: just reposted it.
Speaker 3: That's the same for us.
Speaker 2: So when I was listening to that one, I was
Speaker 2: thinking about it was an official Biden Harris campaign ad
Speaker 2: that way we had playing in the United States. Donald
Speaker 2: Trump threatens a bloodbath if he loses, which was absolutely
Speaker 2: a lie in misinformation on the side that sixty Minutes
Speaker 2: is on. Would you consider that a crime or only
Speaker 2: when it's coming from the other side. See that's that's
Speaker 2: where the rubber meets the road on this whole thing
Speaker 2: and it gets, you know, unworkable.
Speaker 4: Yeah.
Speaker 5: I happen to have a couple of articles, think pieces, etc.
Speaker 5: That point out how incredibly one sided this is. It's
Speaker 5: just a lust for power the other thing that really
Speaker 5: and it's funny, we're talking about one of the most
Speaker 5: fun ndamental human rights that any human beings ever enjoyed.
Speaker 5: But you know what annoyed the crap out of me
Speaker 5: was when they're and I'm not sure if we have
Speaker 5: these clips, but they were talking about the fines, which
Speaker 5: are fairly heavy. I mean it's thousands of dollars in
Speaker 5: fines and multiple offenses can put you in jail. But
Speaker 5: some people just have their phones and their laptops confiscated
Speaker 5: for good.
Speaker 2: They don't get them back.
Speaker 5: And Cheryl Fonsi said, your phone, wow, because everything's on there.
Speaker 2: That is tough.
Speaker 5: And she was amused at the idea of these people
Speaker 5: who indulged in what the Germans are calling hate speech
Speaker 5: getting their devices taken away and not getting access to
Speaker 5: them anymore.
Speaker 2: She thought that was funny, an insensitive joke. They come
Speaker 2: and take your laptop and your phone and you don't
Speaker 2: get it back, and to a certain crowd, that's awesome.
Speaker 2: This story I found amusing, but it.
Speaker 1: Was a twenty twenty one case involving a local politician
Speaker 1: named Andy Grot that captured the country's attention. Grow complained
Speaker 1: about a tweet that called him a pimmel, a German
Speaker 1: word for the mail, anatomy that triggered a police rate
Speaker 1: and accusations of excessive censorship by the government. As prosecutors
Speaker 1: explain to us, in Germany, it's okay to debate politics online,
Speaker 1: but it can be a crime to call anyone a pimle,
Speaker 1: even a politician. So it sounds like you're saying it's
Speaker 1: okay to criticize a politician's policy, but not to say
Speaker 1: I think you're a jerk and idiot.
Speaker 3: Exactly. Yeah, commen's like your son of a bitch. Excuse
Speaker 3: me forward. This word has nothing to.
Speaker 8: Do with a political discussions or a contribution.
Speaker 3: To a discussion.
Speaker 2: But that's amazing.
Speaker 5: It's one of the great canards that sensors use. Here's
Speaker 5: an example where I'm censoring something reasonably right, and then
Speaker 5: you're supposed to extrapolate from there therefore, I trust you
Speaker 5: to censor whenever you want. F you know, and you
Speaker 5: are a piml a table full of pimbles, right.
Speaker 2: I kept thinking that as they used various examples. I thought, yeah,
Speaker 2: it'd be nice if you could censor that and not
Speaker 2: other stuff. But once you open the door, then you
Speaker 2: start making choices, and who's making those choices? And he
Speaker 2: gets out of hand really really fast.
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Speaker 2: We'll have to play some more of this from the
Speaker 2: sixty minutes when we come back, some more amazing stories.
Speaker 2: But we all lived through this in the United States,
Speaker 2: so we know how off track this can get so fast.
Speaker 2: When it was basically against the rules to say, you know,
Speaker 2: I think the virus probably came out of that lab,
Speaker 2: you couldn't say it for a couple of years.
Speaker 5: Yeah, or you would be punished, maybe not by law
Speaker 5: enforce in the ways we're used to. But you would
Speaker 5: be punished by proxy by the government.
Speaker 2: And CBS, it would seem, and many others. A lot
Speaker 2: of college professors want it to be against the law
Speaker 2: to post misinformation and again.
Speaker 5: Misinformation like if you get the inoculation, you can still
Speaker 5: get COVID and you can still spread it.
Speaker 2: That is dangerous misinformation. Wow, it's scary. One true, they're
Speaker 2: so enthusiastic about it there in Germany, and then we
Speaker 2: got and then CBS is enthusiastic about it too. That
Speaker 2: is freaking frightening. We got a lot more on the way.
Speaker 1: I can show your soul's desire for freedom.
Speaker 2: SNL fifty anniversary special that I watched the whole thing
Speaker 2: on Sunday night. I was highly amused.
Speaker 5: I had to stop, like a lot of people after
Speaker 5: an early sketch. I went back to it later, but
Speaker 5: it was incredibly annoying.
Speaker 2: I couldn't believe the star studded audience. Oh my god,
Speaker 2: that was That was quite the collection of famous people
Speaker 2: in one room. We're focusing a little bit on sixty
Speaker 2: minutes from Sunday night because it was one of the
Speaker 2: more astounding things I've ever seen and I've watched practically
Speaker 2: every Sixty Minutes episode of the last forty years. That
Speaker 2: was just crazy CBS's enthusiasm for cracking down on free speech,
Speaker 2: and they're sort of like portraying Germany's models. Isn't this
Speaker 2: fantastic how they'll arrest you if you insult somebody, or
Speaker 2: if you put a cartoon somebody doesn't like on the internet,
Speaker 2: or if you engage in misinformation and disinformation.
Speaker 5: I would characterize it as sixty Minutes gets an enthusiastic
Speaker 5: lesson from the Germans on how to crack down on
Speaker 5: irresponsible speech.
Speaker 2: There's a little of German authorities laying out how it works.
Speaker 1: Josephine Ballone is a CEO of Hate eight, a Berlin
Speaker 1: based human rights organization that supports victims of online violence.
Speaker 9: In the United States.
Speaker 1: A lot of people look at this and say, this
Speaker 1: is restricting free speech. It's a threat to democracy.
Speaker 4: Free speech needs boundaries, and in the case of Germany,
Speaker 4: these boundaries are part of our constitution. Without boundaries, a
Speaker 4: very small group of people can rely on endless freedom
Speaker 4: to say anything that they want while everyone else is
Speaker 4: scared and intimidated.
Speaker 1: In your fears that if people are freely attacked online
Speaker 1: that they'll withdraw from the discussion.
Speaker 4: This is not only a field, it's already taking place.
Speaker 3: Already.
Speaker 4: Half of the Internet users in Germany are afraid to
Speaker 4: express their political opinion and they rarely participate in public
Speaker 4: debates online anymore, half of the internet users.
Speaker 2: I'm honest to god, I was listening to this in
Speaker 2: my car. I had to pull over my car and
Speaker 2: replay that. I was so amazed at what that woman
Speaker 2: just said. So first of all, she says, without boundaries,
Speaker 2: a small group of people could control the conversation, and
Speaker 2: with boundaries, a small group of people controls the conversation.
Speaker 2: And I mean, come on, obviously, And then she says, uh,
Speaker 2: what did she say? It lit it on my mind
Speaker 2: was the next thing she said. Damn it. I got
Speaker 2: so worked up over the first part. How does she
Speaker 2: not understand that, Yeah, a few people control the conversation.
Speaker 2: Then you argue against them. So you're suggesting a small
Speaker 2: group of people control the entire conversation.
Speaker 3: Oh.
Speaker 2: The second part was if you have there are people
Speaker 2: out there that are intimidated to put things online because
Speaker 2: somebody will say something mean to them. So you want
Speaker 2: rules where everybody's intimidated to say what they think because
Speaker 2: they'll Linda find her in jail. What are you talking about? Yeah?
Speaker 5: And just as an American the history of who gets
Speaker 5: ruined and run out of their career and harassed and
Speaker 5: docked because they made a politically incorrect comment many years ago.
Speaker 2: Yeah, it cuts both ways, doesn't it. And then fine,
Speaker 2: and then this little part here where this politician was
Speaker 2: talking about how she had been in online or wronged
Speaker 2: online and how she handled it, the little one ady
Speaker 2: the b This court said, in case of.
Speaker 9: Public servants which have public offices and jobs, it's public
Speaker 9: interest that their personal rights are protected, because otherwise no
Speaker 9: one would go for these jobs. You know that wore
Speaker 9: tom democracy.
Speaker 1: After all this, are you seeing less hateful comments now
Speaker 1: on your social media feeds?
Speaker 9: Yes, there are less hateful comments. And there was one
Speaker 9: tweet which says, don't say that to her, she will
Speaker 9: take you to court.
Speaker 2: You might sue them.
Speaker 3: I might sue them.
Speaker 2: And the cherway of Ponzi was just, oh, yes, you
Speaker 2: might sue them. Isn't that great? Somebody said something negative
Speaker 2: of you about you online and you'll sue them. That's fantastic. JD.
Speaker 5: Vance's fabulous speech in front of the Euros. In a
Speaker 5: related story, stay with US Armstrong and Getty in Munich.
Speaker 3: This week, Vice President JD.
Speaker 5: Vance stunned America's European allies by saying it is their
Speaker 5: governments and not Russia or China that represent the biggest
Speaker 5: threat to security in the region.
Speaker 10: The threat that I worry the most about visa the
Speaker 10: Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not any
Speaker 10: other external actor. And what I worry about is the
Speaker 10: threat from within the retreat of Europe from some of
Speaker 10: its most fundamental values.
Speaker 2: Yeah, we're going to get a little more of what
Speaker 2: JD said in Europe, and he is talking about this
Speaker 2: free speech stuff. We're talking a lot about it this
Speaker 2: hour because it's well one, it's a really, really big deal,
Speaker 2: and Joe and I are really into it. But I
Speaker 2: continue to be shocked. We got a text from somebody
Speaker 2: who said, yeah, I saw the promos for sixty minutes
Speaker 2: and I just assumed they were going to take a
Speaker 2: somewhat adversarial approach as a news outlet to what they're
Speaker 2: doing in Germany. But no, they were cheerleaders for the
Speaker 2: fact that Germany is censoring all kinds of speech, which
Speaker 2: is interesting. But anyway to jd Vance's attack on Europe,
Speaker 2: which the Europeans did not take well, specifically the Germans.
Speaker 2: He gave the speech in Munich. This is from the
Speaker 2: Financial Times. A prominent German politician told me that was
Speaker 2: a direct assault on European democracy. The senior diplomat said,
Speaker 2: it is very clear now Europe is alone. When I
Speaker 2: ask him if he now regarded the US as an adversary,
Speaker 2: he replied yes, the senior German diplomat Yeah, yeah.
Speaker 5: More analysis of the back and forth to come. But
Speaker 5: let's get jd Vance in his own words. First ball,
Speaker 5: flesh out the thing you already heard ninety two.
Speaker 10: Michael, The threat that I worry the most about visa
Speaker 10: e Europe is not Russia, it's not China, it's not
Speaker 10: any other external actor. And what I worry about is
Speaker 10: the threat from within, the retreat of Europe from some
Speaker 10: of its most fundamental values, values shared with the United
Speaker 10: States of America.
Speaker 2: Well, that just added one half a sentence. Sorry, next clip.
Speaker 10: And speaking up and expressing opinions isn't election interference, even
Speaker 10: when people express views outside your own country, and even
Speaker 10: when those people are very influential. And trust me, I
Speaker 10: say this with all humor. If American democracy can survive
Speaker 10: ten years of Thunberg scolding you guys can survive a
Speaker 10: few months of Elon Musk. But what German democracy, what
Speaker 10: no democracy, American, German or European will survive, is telling
Speaker 10: millions of voters that their thoughts and concerns, their aspirations,
Speaker 10: their pleas for relief are invalid or unworthy of even
Speaker 10: being considered.
Speaker 2: Yet, I remember if he said it in a speech
Speaker 2: or just an interviewed afterwards, the rise of some of
Speaker 2: these parties on the right is because they're not getting
Speaker 2: that their voice is not heard in any way.
Speaker 5: Right, Yeah, Indeed, that was the point I was going
Speaker 5: to get to a little more of JD. If you
Speaker 5: were afraid of the voices, the opinions, and the conscience
Speaker 5: that guide your own people, then there's nothing America can
Speaker 5: do for you. Among the problems he went on to
Speaker 5: list where governments dismissing voters concerns, shutting down their media,
Speaker 5: and violating the basic liberties of the religious and as
Speaker 5: Jack points out, and I've said so many times, if
Speaker 5: you either instill enough fear or you actually regulate it
Speaker 5: to the point that your mainstream can't express what your
Speaker 5: people are feeling. Parties are gonna rise up on the
Speaker 5: far right or the far left. They're gonna express those feelings,
Speaker 5: and people who normally wouldn't be attracted to them are
Speaker 5: gonna say, finally, that party speaks for me.
Speaker 2: I'm going with that party. Yeah, but they're neo Nazis.
Speaker 2: I don't care.
Speaker 5: They're the first party that says what I feel. If
Speaker 5: you want extremism, suppress people's speech, tell them what's not
Speaker 5: accept to say. That's how you get That's how you
Speaker 5: get extremism.
Speaker 2: Well, to a certain extent. That's how Trump got elected.
Speaker 2: I mean the people that vote for him despite you know,
Speaker 2: the flaws that they don't like. It's like, uh, you
Speaker 2: constantly see reality not being your reality, not being expressed
Speaker 2: in mainstream media. It's very angry.
Speaker 5: So in response to what Vance just said and more
Speaker 5: that we hadn't played, the German Defense Minister said that
Speaker 5: Vance's words were quote not acceptable, which beautifully made Vance's point.
Speaker 5: There was the VP of the United States arguing that
Speaker 5: the Europeans had become far too comfortable telling people what
Speaker 5: they could and could not say, and instead of developing
Speaker 5: a counter theory, the first official the issue or a
Speaker 5: joinder told him he shouldn't have said that. Thank you
Speaker 5: for making my point for me, Hair official, Sir, unbelievable.
Speaker 2: One of my favorite pundits said, in Europe, especially in Germany,
Speaker 2: you have basically two choices. Either you agree with the
Speaker 2: prevailing narrative on issues like COVID, climate, immigration, Trump, in
Speaker 2: which case you are a responsible, kind, democratic and all
Speaker 2: the other approving adjectives and everything is fine in your life.
Speaker 2: Or you question or disagree with the direction on any
Speaker 2: of those things and think that your leaders might not
Speaker 2: be getting it right, in which case you're a populist
Speaker 2: or racist. You're uneducated, of course, you're far far right
Speaker 2: or far right in you're a threat to the country
Speaker 2: and your views need to be taken off the Internet
Speaker 2: or shut down or find if you express them in public.
Speaker 5: So Marco Rubio was interviewed on Face the Nation by
Speaker 5: the absolute idiot Margaret Brennan. That would get me a
Speaker 5: jail time in Germany.
Speaker 2: For no, it's.
Speaker 5: Astonishing her lack of wisdom. It's like a some girl
Speaker 5: who was raised in the woods like Nellen doesn't have
Speaker 5: the power of speech. She appears to be a normal intelligence,
Speaker 5: but is so completely blind to the realities of the world.
Speaker 5: She just doesn't make any sense. But she interviewed Marco
Speaker 5: Rubio and I want to get to her most influenced
Speaker 5: I'm sorry infamous in the idiotic clip. But first this
Speaker 5: about the speech in general ninety four, I.
Speaker 6: Want to ask you about what happened in Munich, Germany.
Speaker 6: At the Security conference, Vice President Vance gave a speech
Speaker 6: and he told us allies that the threat he worries
Speaker 6: about the most is not Russia, it is not China.
Speaker 6: He called it the threat from within, and he lectured
Speaker 6: about what he described as censorship, mainly focusing though on
Speaker 6: including more views from the right. He also met with
Speaker 6: the leader of a far right party known as the AfD, which,
Speaker 6: as you know, is under investigation and monitoring by German
Speaker 6: intelligence because of extremism.
Speaker 2: What did all of.
Speaker 6: This accomplish other than irritating our allies, Well, why would.
Speaker 11: Our allies there anybody be irritated by free speech and
Speaker 11: by someone giving their opinion. We are, after all, democracies.
Speaker 11: Thesic Munich Security Conference is largely a conference of democracies.
Speaker 11: In which one of the things that we cherish in
Speaker 11: value is the ability to speak feely and provide your opinions.
Speaker 11: And so I think if anyone's angry about his word,
Speaker 11: they don't have to agree with him, but to be
Speaker 11: angry about it, I think actually makes this point.
Speaker 5: Whether it's the American left or you know, in the past,
Speaker 5: the right, or the Europeans. It's like talking to somebody
Speaker 5: who doesn't understands steam. There's a boiling pot and there's
Speaker 5: steam pouring out of it, and they say, don't worry,
Speaker 5: I'll take care of this steam. And they clamp the
Speaker 5: lid down, and then they're astounded by what happens next.
Speaker 5: Unbelievable lack of wisdom. And then Jack, unless you want
Speaker 5: to jump in there, this which should go down and
Speaker 5: broadcast in for me for the rest of time.
Speaker 2: Yeah, I was just going to point out. Jonathan Turley
Speaker 2: wrote a great column in The New York Post yesterday,
Speaker 2: Vance rightly excoriates europe what values are we defending and
Speaker 2: compared the speech to Reagan's mister Garbichev, tear down this
Speaker 2: wall speech, and it's possible importance for the culture of
Speaker 2: free speech and different points of view. But he also
Speaker 2: what Bill Crystal of CNN, who used to be at
Speaker 2: the Weekly Standard and his dad is one of the
Speaker 2: fathers of conservativism or whatever, said said the speech was
Speaker 2: a humiliation for the United States and a confirmation that
Speaker 2: this administration isn't on the side of the democracies. Yeah, wow,
Speaker 2: absolutely amazing.
Speaker 5: And Vance's greater point geo politically speaking, was that, hey, dudes,
Speaker 5: you're not listening to your people.
Speaker 2: That steam is building up.
Speaker 5: It's expressing itself in whether the AfD in Germany or
Speaker 5: whatever parties that you marine La penn in France in
Speaker 5: ways that you don't like. So how about you let
Speaker 5: people release that steam and you listen to your people.
Speaker 5: Otherwise you are going to crumble and we will not
Speaker 5: have you as allies anymore because you have crumbled.
Speaker 2: So it's a very very practical strategy.
Speaker 5: It's not just like he was making a rhetorical argument
Speaker 5: because he likes to argue. He sees our allies falling apart.
Speaker 5: And then this again, this moment. You know, if I
Speaker 5: was going to limit free speech, I would revoke CBS's
Speaker 5: license to broadcast based purely on the sheer stupidity of
Speaker 5: clip ninety six.
Speaker 6: He was standing in a country where free speech was
Speaker 6: weaponized to conduct a genocide, and he met with the
Speaker 6: head of a political party that has far right views
Speaker 6: and some historic ties to extreme groups. The context of
Speaker 6: that was changing the tone of it.
Speaker 2: And you know that that.
Speaker 6: The censorship disagree with you specifically about the right.
Speaker 11: Now I have to disagree with you. The free speech
Speaker 11: was not used to conduct a genocide. The genocide was
Speaker 11: conducted by an authoritarian Nazi regime that happened to also
Speaker 11: be genocidal because they hated Jews, and they hated minorities,
Speaker 11: and they hated those that they had a list of
Speaker 11: people they hated, but primarily the Jews. There was no
Speaker 11: free speech in Nazi Germany.
Speaker 2: There was none.
Speaker 11: There was also no OP position in Nazi Germany. They
Speaker 11: were a sole and only party that governed that country.
Speaker 11: So that's not an accurate reflection of history.
Speaker 5: A phrase weaponized free speech is something well and tag
Speaker 5: me Marco, I want to jump in here. Far from
Speaker 5: being an example of free speech weaponized to conduct a genocide,
Speaker 5: Germany under Hitler was engaged in precisely the sort of
Speaker 5: democratic authoritarianism that Vance was condemning. It was exactly the
Speaker 5: opposite of what the ninny Margaret Brennan suggested. He was
Speaker 5: standing in a country where a free speech was weaponized
Speaker 5: to commit a genocide. Good lord, what an ignoramus. Uh.
Speaker 2: What Jonathan Turley calls the haymaker from Vance's speech is
Speaker 2: when he said, if you're running in fear of your
Speaker 2: own voters, there's nothing American can do for you. Nor,
Speaker 2: for the matter, is there anything you can do for
Speaker 2: the American people that elected me and Donald Trump. If
Speaker 2: you're running in fear from your own voters, there's nothing
Speaker 2: America can do for you. And that's what they're doing
Speaker 2: with the censorship. They don't like the point of view
Speaker 2: of a big chunk of their countries, and so they're
Speaker 2: trying to outlaw that point of view, which is not
Speaker 2: going to work. Yeah.
Speaker 5: Their inability to deal with steam, as I described it before,
Speaker 5: is partly practical because the steam is rising because of
Speaker 5: their policies, namely rampant immigration, open immigration from the Muslim
Speaker 5: world especially, and also economic policies.
Speaker 2: But the other part of it is ideological.
Speaker 5: They are so intensely uncomfortable with the conversation about, Hey,
Speaker 5: we've let all these people who do not share our values,
Speaker 5: They do not share our culture. In fact, they despise
Speaker 5: our culture, and they've been tasked with overturning it in
Speaker 5: the name of Sharia, for instance.
Speaker 2: This is not good.
Speaker 5: They are so intensely uncomfortable with that for political correctness
Speaker 5: reasons to use the cliched old phrase that they I
Speaker 5: can't even permit it, and so they cheerfully inform a
Speaker 5: cheerful share in ALPHONSI on CBS that, well, free speech
Speaker 5: has its limits.
Speaker 2: We must we must correl.
Speaker 5: It, so nobody says anything rude and we will just
Speaker 5: clamp that lid on and that'll get rid of the steam.
Speaker 2: Well, good luck, And let me guess you could say
Speaker 2: practically anything about people on the right and that wouldn't
Speaker 2: be considered rude or an attack or anything like that.
Speaker 5: That just facts, just facts. Oh yeah, it's entirely one sided.
Speaker 2: That is really something. What a very very frightening weekend
Speaker 2: from the standpoint of free speech.
Speaker 5: But you know, getting back to Reagan's mister Garbachev's speech,
Speaker 5: I think Turley's not overstating how important it is to
Speaker 5: go to their homes say that out loud in front
Speaker 5: of the world. Y'all are committing suicide because you don't
Speaker 5: listen to your people.
Speaker 2: If you had any comments on that, you could Our
Speaker 2: text line is four one five two nine KFTC.
Speaker 7: Fun fact, a person born during the first season of
Speaker 7: Saturday Night Live could today be easily dead of natural costume.
Speaker 2: Now you're going to see a lot of familiar things.
Speaker 7: Tonight, musical guest sketches, cameo appearances, the news, and this
Speaker 7: is the monologue, traditionally the weakest part of the show. Yes,
Speaker 7: the monologue is like a rent controlled tenant.
Speaker 2: It's not going anywhere, even though it stinks. I thought
Speaker 2: the Saturday A Live Show is really, really entertaining. I
Speaker 2: really enjoyed it. I thought it was the opening. So
Speaker 2: they opened with Paul Simon and a musical thing with
Speaker 2: the hot it girl of the time, that Sabrina Carpenter
Speaker 2: Werman who shows up everywhere. It's funny how the whole
Speaker 2: it girl thing is is for real. Save your money, dear,
Speaker 2: you can yet up kidding because there'll be another hot
Speaker 2: young blonde come along. But I liked her line about
Speaker 2: the famous Paul Simon George Harryson duet from way back
Speaker 2: in the day, Like second season or something like that
Speaker 2: on Sarah Life, and she said I wasn't even born
Speaker 2: yet and neither were my parents. And I thought, holy crap,
Speaker 2: that's true. Her parents weren't important yet. I thought the
Speaker 2: big giant musical number at the end about New York
Speaker 2: and everything with John Mulaney as an area, I thought, Wow,
Speaker 2: that was some art. That was some amazing stuff there,
Speaker 2: just really really cool.
Speaker 5: I was shocked if you didn't see at the extent
Speaker 5: to which it was new comedy. Yeah, with just zillions
Speaker 5: of I assumed they'd be a flashback show, and it
Speaker 5: had some, but it was mostly newly produced stuff and
Speaker 5: a lot of it was really good. A lot of
Speaker 5: it was not, but that's the nature of you know,
Speaker 5: that sketch comedy. Yeah, that was a lot of the
Speaker 5: more famous sketches, like the the being abducted by alien
Speaker 5: stuff and just you know. Anyway, they displayed Kneed Meryl
Speaker 5: Streep as guests star.
Speaker 2: Yeah, pretty funny. I thought, Eddie Murphy doing Tracy Morgan's
Speaker 2: standing next to Tracy Morgan was pretty dang hilarious. Yes,
Speaker 2: that was very funny. And Ken Topson say you too,
Speaker 2: you could be related, and Tracy Morgan says, I don't
Speaker 2: see it. Oh, I left so hard at that show.
Speaker 5: Let me acknowledge briefly the infamous Dug thing where the
Speaker 5: punchline of the black Jeopardy sketch was that a Trump
Speaker 5: supporter is such as stupid racist he won't even shake
Speaker 5: the hand of a black man, right, at which I
Speaker 5: turned it.
Speaker 2: Off for a while. I was like, no, sorry, you
Speaker 2: don't want me okay, bye. So a different topic here
Speaker 2: came across this on the NPR feed. So I don't
Speaker 2: use emojis, but the rest of you people do for
Speaker 2: some reason. And apparently if you do a thumbs up,
Speaker 2: there are six different skin colors you can choose for
Speaker 2: the thumbs up. There used to just be yellow, but
Speaker 2: now there's yellow, I don't know, slightly, tan, more tan,
Speaker 2: even more tan, Brown, and black are your choices, and
Speaker 2: it's like a paint chip. You get a thrd worse store.
Speaker 2: And NPR had an article which I didn't click on
Speaker 2: and read that said some white people may choose the
Speaker 2: yellow thumbs up because it feels neutral, but academics argue
Speaker 2: opting out of the actual white guy thumb I guess
Speaker 2: signals a lack of awareness about white privilege, akin to
Speaker 2: society associating whiteness with being raceless. So it's kind of
Speaker 2: the whole anti racist thing. If you choose the yellow
Speaker 2: guy thumbs up, it is a racist move because you're
Speaker 2: claiming there's a neutral or something. I don't know what
Speaker 2: it was, but I just found that quite hilarious.
Speaker 5: And everything is based on race all the time, so
Speaker 5: you need to pick an accurate skin tone and then
Speaker 5: acknowledge your white thumbs up supremacy. You know what, you people,
Speaker 5: you had your day and you're still having it in
Speaker 5: government to some extent and on campuses. But we're coming
Speaker 5: for you.
Speaker 2: We had this story a couple of weeks ago. It's obvious,
Speaker 2: but I hadn't thought about it before. But now I
Speaker 2: think about it every time I hear academics say or
Speaker 2: experts say. I got to remember that academics and experts
Speaker 2: are like, depending on the uh, what their expertise is,
Speaker 2: one hundred percent of them are progressives. Sometimes it gets
Speaker 2: down to as few as ninety eight percent of them
Speaker 2: are progressives. But so if you go to experts, they're
Speaker 2: all on one side. So of course the experts say this, yeah, yeah,
Speaker 2: just remember this.
Speaker 5: If an expert's quoted. There's a good chance that is
Speaker 5: a professor. Professors are the media's favorite experts, and if
Speaker 5: it's a professor, it's going to be a progressive person
Speaker 5: almost always.
Speaker 2: So yeah, you're incredibly one side. Experts think this is dangerous. Okay,
Speaker 2: so you ask progressives and nobody else. But that's hilarious.
Speaker 2: You're showing your white privilege if you don't, if you
Speaker 2: if you use the yellow thumbs up. So think think
Speaker 2: about that throughout the day. I just like the Simpsons.
Speaker 2: You evil be funny, racist bastard. N PR has that
Speaker 2: been defunded yet? Please not yet Doje's working on it.
Speaker 2: We got a lot more on the way and some
Speaker 2: of the news of the day. They're meeting in Saudi
Speaker 2: Arabia right now about trying to wind down the war
Speaker 2: in Ukraine, among other things. Armstrong and Getty