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Speaker 1: You are listening to the Dan Patrick Show on Fox

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Speaker 1: Sports Radio. Let's bring in Chris Bennick, Sports Illustrated senior writer.

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Speaker 1: He was at Game four Celtics nets last night, covered

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Speaker 1: the entire series, entire series, and he joints us. Now, Chris,

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Speaker 1: what's your takeaway from what you saw in this series?

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Speaker 1: On the Celtics side, They're as good as any team

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Speaker 1: left playing in the NBA. You kind of knew that

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Speaker 1: coming into this series because of the way they've dominated defensively,

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Speaker 1: the best team in the NBA by a country mile,

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Speaker 1: you know since January first, buy a lot of metric. Well,

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Speaker 1: you also go, they were twenty three and twenty four

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Speaker 1: at one point and then they went on a run. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: the turnaround has been remarkable. We can get into that,

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Speaker 1: but I'm just like, the way they defended Kevin Durant

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Speaker 1: was the best I've ever seen Kevin Durant defended in

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Speaker 1: the series. Like, and there are mitigating factors for Durant,

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Speaker 1: Steve Nash, how he let him Kevin Durant just hang

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Speaker 1: out there for forty six minutes in Game three and

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Speaker 1: forty seven minutes in Game four. I mean, Dan, how

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Speaker 1: bad must Cam Thomas b that you can't play him

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Speaker 1: for five minutes while Durant's exhausted. Durant missed that free

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Speaker 1: throw at the end of the fourth quarter that would

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Speaker 1: have given the Nets a chance. And look, the guy

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Speaker 1: doesn't miss a lot of free throws. You had to

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Speaker 1: wonder in the moment was it because he was so

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Speaker 1: tired from playing all those minutes. But give the Celtic credit.

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Speaker 1: Their defense was excellent. Whether it's Jason Tatum, Jaylen Brown,

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Speaker 1: They are as good as it gets defensively in the NBA.

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Speaker 1: And that defense is transferable. You can play that defense

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Speaker 1: on anybody across the league since January eighth, including the

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Speaker 1: sweep of the Nets the Celtics thirty seven and ten.

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Speaker 1: If you're going to point one finger a blame in

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Speaker 1: the Nets direction, which direction Kyrie for starting all this?

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Speaker 1: I mean, you know, Kyrie spoke in a couple of

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Speaker 1: times during the series about chemistry issues and the inability

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Speaker 1: to develop cohesion with the team. Well, whose fault is that? Like,

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Speaker 1: you know, this team wasn't able to get him on

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Speaker 1: the court from more than half in the first three

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Speaker 1: quarters of the season that played a factor in all this,

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Speaker 1: and outside of Game one and some decent minutes in

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Speaker 1: the fourth quarter of Game four, Kyrie didn't just show up.

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Speaker 1: I mean, I had people within the Boston organization that

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Speaker 1: we're talking about how it's eerily reminiscent to how he

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Speaker 1: played in that first round series, second round series against

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Speaker 1: Milwaukee a couple of years ago, where they just seemed

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Speaker 1: checked out of the series. So, I mean, there's a

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Speaker 1: lot of blame to go around, but I mean Kyrie

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Speaker 1: has to absorb the bulk of it, both for what

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Speaker 1: he did during the season that prevented them from developing

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Speaker 1: that chemistry to how he played outside of Game one

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Speaker 1: of the series. Do you think the Nets are going

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Speaker 1: to give him a max deal? I don't know what

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Speaker 1: choice they have. You know, the Nets would prefer not

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Speaker 1: to obviously, but is there some team out there that

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Speaker 1: would is there, Like I'm just making this up because

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Speaker 1: they always do crazy things, But like with Sacramento out there,

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Speaker 1: you know, give him a max level deal and they

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Speaker 1: would lose him for nothing. The Nets don't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of moves here, Dan, I mean, Kevin Durant is

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Speaker 1: locked up. Joe Harris is locked up. Coming back Ben Simmons.

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Speaker 1: He's got three years left them his contract and is untradeable.

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Speaker 1: At this point, you let Kyrie walk. It's not like

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Speaker 1: you clear this max level cap space to go out

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Speaker 1: and get somebody else. It's Kyrie or it's nothing at

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Speaker 1: this point. And as dangerous as it is to give

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Speaker 1: him a four year contract or a five year contract,

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Speaker 1: even in the neighborhood of two hundred plus million dollars,

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Speaker 1: what else are you going to do? They made their

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Speaker 1: deal with the devil, so to speak, and and this

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Speaker 1: is kind of what this team's going to look like

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Speaker 1: moving forward. Ben Simmons and his agent reportedly had a

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Speaker 1: meeting with the NETS yesterday, Like why would you have

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Speaker 1: a meeting on the day of maybe, you know, an

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Speaker 1: elimination game, potential elimination game, about your playing status or

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Speaker 1: future or what the hell's going on? Well, I think

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Speaker 1: reverberating through the your organization. I was honestly a little

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Speaker 1: bit taken aback Dan that even though he wasn't playing,

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Speaker 1: he wasn't there on the bench, he wasn't supporting his

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Speaker 1: team in elimination game at the Barclay Center. Now you know,

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Speaker 1: the Nets officially said it was because of his back,

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Speaker 1: but I mean, come on, like, sitting on the bench,

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Speaker 1: really going to impact your back. I gotta believe, and

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Speaker 1: this is more speculation than anything else, that there was

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Speaker 1: some anxiety within Simmons team about fans turning on him,

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Speaker 1: him sitting there on the bench in his very multi

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Speaker 1: They should have had one voice, and that one voice

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Speaker 1: was going to say, he's not playing. Unless there's something

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Speaker 1: miraculous that's happening, He's not going to play. So let's

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Speaker 1: just take the topic off the table. And then he

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Speaker 1: but I could play in game four. Well, he's doing

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Speaker 1: the nets did this as well. How the hell do

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Speaker 1: you get a herniated disc in your back if you

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Speaker 1: haven't played all. He hadn't played at all in a year.

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Speaker 1: It's an indictment of not what Ben Simmons did once

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Speaker 1: he got to Brooklyn, but of what he didn't do

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Speaker 1: seventy six ers, even though he wasn't playing, he had

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Speaker 1: his body wasn't tiptop shape. Now, the back injury it

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Speaker 1: predates this season. I mean, you go back to twenty

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Speaker 1: back problems. But if you haven't played since last June

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Speaker 1: that season for whatever reason, you have an obligation to

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Speaker 1: is really inexcusable. I'm watching James Harden. I just don't

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Speaker 1: get what happened to James Harden. And then he took

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Speaker 1: I just don't you know last year when James Harden

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Speaker 1: the stretch, you attributed to the hamstring. You said, all right,

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Speaker 1: he's got a hamstring as young thirty two, thirty three,

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Speaker 1: I think We've been so focused with James Harden about

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Speaker 1: how the referees have changed how they call the game.

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Speaker 1: He's not getting the same foul calls. That's the issue.

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Speaker 1: I don't think that's it. I mean, I've watched a

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Speaker 1: lot of James Harden over the years. He's not getting

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Speaker 1: James Harden has made it clear like he's gonna be

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Speaker 1: looking for that two hundred and seventy something million dollar,

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Speaker 1: You know, Joel embiid that sum's not going to get

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Speaker 1: they absolutely could become the first team to go out

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Speaker 1: after go being up three zip. Great to talk to you, Chris.

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Speaker 1: As always, we'll check back in with you during the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Thank you, You got death. That's Chris Mannix Sports Illustrated

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Speaker 1: Chris Simms, former quarterback Pro Football Talk Live co host,

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Speaker 1: joins us on the program. Give the audience the factors

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Speaker 1: that went into your mock draft. How do you come

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Speaker 1: up with your mock draft? Well, I try to do

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Speaker 1: it a little bit out of them, just hey, team

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Speaker 1: my money, Christian Watson from North Dakota State, he's the

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Speaker 1: around the NFL too, So it's a little combination of

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Speaker 1: things Dan altogether. Okay, So is this your predictions? Is

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Speaker 1: There's to a degree. Now listen, I'd love to change

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Speaker 1: But it's what I kind of find interesting about this

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Speaker 1: sounds like Doug Peterson's winning the war down there. That

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Speaker 1: to see how that kind of shakes out. Okay, Paully

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Speaker 1: picks that there will be at least one quarterback. Okay, Paul,

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Speaker 1: pissed down my leg and through three interceptions the first half.

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Speaker 1: So I you know, I had to deal with that literally, well, no,

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Speaker 1: maybe and maybe there's a few drips and drops there,

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Speaker 1: but now you're not literally okay. But do the do

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Speaker 1: the GMS and coaches ask you about that, uh, prior

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Speaker 1: what I always I always was waiting to get that,

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Speaker 1: you know, and I always wanted to, but nobody ever

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Speaker 1: asked me. And then I'd go home and you know,

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Speaker 1: my agent would talk to me and go, yeah, that's

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Speaker 1: kind of what teams you're worried about, you know, And

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Speaker 1: I want to. I was always dying for somebody to like, hey,

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Speaker 1: let's turn on the Oklahoma game, and I want to go, yeah,

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Speaker 1: let's turn it on so I can show you it's

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Speaker 1: a team sport. And damn we couldn't run no Buddy's open.

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Speaker 1: I mean, but it was all my fault. Guys. I

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Speaker 1: couldn't win the big game. I mean, that's that's sort

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Speaker 1: of yeah, but then it would be a red flag.

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Speaker 1: Sims blames teammates, right right, Sims is a jerk and

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Speaker 1: he's taking no So yeah, so I'd have to find

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Speaker 1: the right sweet spot there to blame myself and show

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Speaker 1: a little reality too. Well, we love your mock draft.

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Speaker 1: I take great solace in reading that and getting out

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Speaker 1: better understanding there. Thanks man. You know the other two

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Speaker 1: I just want to jump on here too. You know,

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Speaker 1: I love both Georgia d tackles, and I got them

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Speaker 1: going at nine and ten. To me, they're like DeVante

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Speaker 1: Wyatt's everybody as good, everybod as good as Quinnin Williams

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Speaker 1: was coming out in the draft at the number three

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Speaker 1: pick a few years ago. But the two guys that

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Speaker 1: can throw a curve into all this, Dan, I wouldn't

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Speaker 1: touch them in the top ten is Cavon Thibadeau or

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Speaker 1: Derek Stanley Junior. That to me is going to be

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Speaker 1: the other one there where I feel like, yeah, there's

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Speaker 1: a group of teams in football that think they're awesome,

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Speaker 1: and then I think there's a group of teams in

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Speaker 1: football they go I wouldn't touch them with a ten

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Speaker 1: foot pole, and that I'll be interested to see how

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Speaker 1: that shakes out. In the in the first round too.

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Speaker 1: Tibadeau's reminds me. You know, when Dion Jordan came out,

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Speaker 1: We're like, oh my god, this guy's unbelievable, and then

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Speaker 1: you realize he wasn't unbelievable. He could get pushed around

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Speaker 1: a little bit. There, no doubt, no doubt. Yeah, good player. No,

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Speaker 1: never should have been in the first round. Conversation, and

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Speaker 1: you know, clearly the fifth or sixth best edge rusher

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Speaker 1: to me, you know, I look at him at a

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Speaker 1: guy that really realistically, I think you should go in

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Speaker 1: the end of the first round, but I think because

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Speaker 1: of some of the hype and that and some teams

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Speaker 1: probably do I and the beauty of the beholder, he'll

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Speaker 1: probably go before that. Thank you, Bud. Always great to

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Speaker 1: talk to you. We appreciate you joining us. Thanks say

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Speaker 1: hi to the guys. Chris Simms Pro Football Talk Live

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Speaker 1: co host and former NFL quarterback. Fox Sports Radio has

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Speaker 1: the best sports talk lineup in the nation. Catch all

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Speaker 1: of our shows at Fox sports Radio dot com and

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Speaker 1: within the iHeart Radio app search f SR to listen. Well,

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Speaker 1: we've actually had two poll questions going for most of

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Speaker 1: the show. Okay, double dipping yeah, yeah, we're double dipping today.

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Speaker 1: Would you rather miss the playoffs or get swept in

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Speaker 1: the first round? But this is interesting because sixty five

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Speaker 1: percent of our Twitter audience says miss the playoffs, whereas

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Speaker 1: the Dan Patrick dot com poll question that audience, yeah,

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Speaker 1: fifty fifty. Well, let me ask Nick right that first

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Speaker 1: thing's first co host on Fox Sports one. Would you

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Speaker 1: rather be the Lakers or the Nets? Well, those are

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Speaker 1: two different questions. I think making the playoffs is better

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Speaker 1: than missing the playoffs. However, I'd rather be the Lakers

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Speaker 1: than the Nets because the Lakers, you at least had

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Speaker 1: time to process that this was going to be a disaster.

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Speaker 1: The Nets were the Vegas favorites to win the conference

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Speaker 1: fourteen days ago. The Nets had many of our colleagues

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Speaker 1: buying into this nonsense. It is five days ago, so

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Speaker 1: the Nets are a bigger failure, a bigger disappointment. But

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Speaker 1: I they did, you know, so the Nets it was worse.

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Speaker 1: But in the vagaries of missed the playoffs are get

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Speaker 1: swept around one. I'd rather get swept around one. I'd

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Speaker 1: like to get there. It's similar to I'd rather, you know,

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Speaker 1: make the finals and lose than lose before the finals

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Speaker 1: and then say, oh I never lost, you know, but

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Speaker 1: that's about the different guy. I'll get to more. NBA.

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Speaker 1: We were talking about six years ago tonight. Uh. It

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Speaker 1: was what Laramie Tunsil with the mask, yeah, the bong

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Speaker 1: hits yeah, And I was wondering what it would be

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Speaker 1: like to, you know, Thursday night, if that would happen

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Speaker 1: like six years later. How do you think we would

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Speaker 1: view you know, let's say I don't want to say

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Speaker 1: a quarterback, because we'd view a quarterback differently. But let's

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Speaker 1: say it's an offensive lineman and that video came out.

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Speaker 1: How do you think the media. I don't think it'd

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Speaker 1: be viewed that differently. Oh really, yeah, well he dropped. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think he'd dropping in today. I think I think

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Speaker 1: because there were so many It wasn't just the gas

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Speaker 1: mask bong. It was that it was from his Twitter

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Speaker 1: account and it's like, wait, he's being extorted. Oh, this

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Speaker 1: seems messy and scared. Yeah. I don't think. Listen. I

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Speaker 1: understand that in most municipalities that are listening right now,

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Speaker 1: you can smoke a joint on the street. These days.

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Speaker 1: I still feel like there is still a bit of

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Speaker 1: a uh you know at some social morays where it

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Speaker 1: hasn't been fully accepted, like you on your show, Dan,

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Speaker 1: you guys have drank beers. I know, Yeah, I've seen

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Speaker 1: you do it. Would you would you ever smoke a

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Speaker 1: joint on the air. I don't think you would, even

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Speaker 1: if you were. I don't know if you're a weed

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Speaker 1: smoker or not. But regardless, like I still think there

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Speaker 1: is there is still some stigma attached to it. I

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Speaker 1: think he'd still drop quite a bit. Yeah, I just

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Speaker 1: I just don't see that happening now as much because

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Speaker 1: the NFL is relaxed it's standards or whatever on marijuana.

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Speaker 1: So I I mean, they don't care about these players.

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Speaker 1: I don't really think they he dropped because people were like, oh,

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Speaker 1: he's a pothead. I think he dropped because they were

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Speaker 1: like a character issues a bad judgment, who's surrounding him?

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Speaker 1: And I think those same things, Like, let me put

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Speaker 1: it like this, there's not a lot of stigma I

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Speaker 1: don't think surrounding consensual sex between adults. But if on

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Speaker 1: Draft night somebody's Twitter posted a sex video of themselves,

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Speaker 1: I think they dropped, and I think it'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: we're worried he's gonna be having sex. I think it'd

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Speaker 1: be like, well, what the hell's going on here? So

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Speaker 1: I just I'm looking at it differently. Fair point, Let's

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Speaker 1: move on. Listen, you bring me here to hard truth.

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Speaker 1: I thought we were ranking players in NBA history. Instead

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Speaker 1: we're talking You may even talk about sex videos. Yeah,

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Speaker 1: you don't need to say hard truth. The NETS situation

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Speaker 1: as they move forward. You got the Kyrie, you know,

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Speaker 1: Max deal, Ben Simmons, Katie getting older and did look

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Speaker 1: a little older with the younger guys in Boston, right, Yeah, okay,

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Speaker 1: I'm happy for Kyrie. By the way, first year his

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Speaker 1: professional life, and he gave himself a raise and a promotion.

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Speaker 1: How about that, Kyrie asked after the game. Kyrie signs

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Speaker 1: in Boston's making round thirty four million a year. A

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Speaker 1: year into it, he's like, by the way, I'm co

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Speaker 1: head coach. It's like Steve Nash is here, but I'm

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Speaker 1: kind of the coach. Katie's kind of the coach. A

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Speaker 1: year later, he's like, Okay, today, this year, I barely

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Speaker 1: showed up for work. I was terrible in the postseason.

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Speaker 1: Here's what I've decided. I'm gonna make about forty five

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Speaker 1: million a year, and I'm co general manager. I'm gonna

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Speaker 1: build the roster with Joe Si and Shawn Marks. This

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Speaker 1: dude is delusional, man, delusional. I'll ask your audience put

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Speaker 1: this on your poll question. What's your favorite Kyrie Irving

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Speaker 1: playoff moment that doesn't involve Lebron James? Oh wait, yeah,

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Speaker 1: I think it's in Round one, stomping on that stupid

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Speaker 1: lepper Con. I think that's as good as it's ever

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Speaker 1: gotten for him. But they're stuck with him. They got

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Speaker 1: to pay him this money. Yeah, I feel I mean

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Speaker 1: I feel terribly for Durant. I mean I do, and

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Speaker 1: I don't. Yeah, I mean they're screwed. I mean they

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Speaker 1: are screwed. Man, Like, really, what choice do you have?

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Speaker 1: You can't let him walk? Yeah, it'd be like, oh,

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Speaker 1: they'll sign him and then trade him. I reported nine

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Speaker 1: months ago, and I was correct on it that when

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Speaker 1: the Nets were considering trading Kyrie, he made it very clear,

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Speaker 1: you trade me if you want, but I'll retire. That

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Speaker 1: kind of hurts your trade market. So what are you

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Speaker 1: gonna do? I know our colleague Stephen A has been

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Speaker 1: saying he would pay him the max, but only one

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Speaker 1: year at a time, Harry, you ain't going to take

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Speaker 1: a one year deal? I mean kind of like they litsen.

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Speaker 1: And by the way, now that he's COGM, I think

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Speaker 1: he negotiated for himself. I think he says, Kyrie opened

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Speaker 1: your third eye. What contract would you like? Like a

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Speaker 1: three years pluss player option to the max? Like, you

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Speaker 1: know what, guy, I think we can do that. Hope

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Speaker 1: to show up for more than thirty games. So what

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Speaker 1: do you do with Ben Simmons? Feels like you're stuck

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Speaker 1: with him as well? Oh boy? All right? Can I

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Speaker 1: I don't know if this is a defense of Ben Simmons.

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Speaker 1: Can I can I soft launch a take? Sure? I

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Speaker 1: believe Ben simmons back is truly hurt, and I believe

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Speaker 1: he didn't suffer a back injury. I think we know

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Speaker 1: enough about the mind psycho sto. Yes, stress and anxiety

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Speaker 1: can cause ulcers, can cause back pain, among other things.

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Speaker 1: So I don't this idea he's faking an injury. I

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Speaker 1: do not buy them. I believe that his back hurts,

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Speaker 1: that he feels like he has an injury, but I

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Speaker 1: also don't think he ever suffered an injury. Does that

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Speaker 1: make sense, and I don't think that's like a scurless allegation.

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Speaker 1: It's the only thing that tracks to me. I do

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Speaker 1: think he wants to play basketball at some point, but

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Speaker 1: I think he's so deep in his own head. I

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Speaker 1: think it scares them, and I think it is causing

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Speaker 1: the back pain. I just think the NETS handled it

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Speaker 1: so poorly. Instead of having one voice and Steve Nash

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Speaker 1: should have said at every press conference, Ben is not playing.

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Speaker 1: Ben is not playing. Now. Ben didn't help out by saying,

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Speaker 1: you know I can't play in game three, but you

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Speaker 1: know there's a reasonable chance I could play in Game four.

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Speaker 1: You know, one voice because you're not sure who's telling

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Speaker 1: you the truth and who's not. I didn't have a

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Speaker 1: lot of sympathy for Nash this year because I thought

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Speaker 1: he did a truly terrible job, But in this one,

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Speaker 1: I feel terribly for the hell's he supposed to do.

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Speaker 1: And Nash was pretty consistent with it. But then Wojer

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Speaker 1: Shams would be like, hey bit and Simmons targeting this

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Speaker 1: dage targeting that date, be like, what the hell's going

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Speaker 1: on here? Yeah, that's a mess. So I don't know,

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Speaker 1: I mean, who would leave that I missed the full year.

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Speaker 1: Who would lead that, nick to I have a theory.

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Speaker 1: I have another theory. Oh boy, this is okay. You

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Speaker 1: know what my true north is. Take integrity, even if

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Speaker 1: this gets me some angry texts. I don't know this

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Speaker 1: and I can't prove this obviously. I wonder if people

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Speaker 1: close to Ben we're trying to add pressure in a

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Speaker 1: positive way to get him on the court. Does that

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Speaker 1: make sense? Yeah, that if that, if it's okay, he

635
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Speaker 1: might play, He might not play. We think he should play.

636
00:33:12,200 --> 00:33:14,280
Speaker 1: We think it's good for him to play. If we

637
00:33:14,560 --> 00:33:16,520
Speaker 1: if we help put out there, Oh there is a

638
00:33:16,640 --> 00:33:19,320
Speaker 1: date that maybe that will get him on the court,

639
00:33:19,640 --> 00:33:22,040
Speaker 1: and that's his get back on the horse moment, and

640
00:33:22,080 --> 00:33:25,000
Speaker 1: then his career can finally turn the page. Because the

641
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:27,479
Speaker 1: reason this is such a disaster is even if he

642
00:33:27,520 --> 00:33:31,200
Speaker 1: plays game one of next year, so many of these

643
00:33:31,280 --> 00:33:34,440
Speaker 1: questions and concerns are going to come back the moment

644
00:33:34,480 --> 00:33:37,440
Speaker 1: the playoffs start, because his last moment in the pleading

645
00:33:37,560 --> 00:33:39,880
Speaker 1: get ten minutes in these playoffs. His last moment in

646
00:33:39,880 --> 00:33:42,280
Speaker 1: the playoffs was the worst moment of professional life. It's

647
00:33:42,320 --> 00:33:46,000
Speaker 1: not great. Yeah, I mentioned that yesterday that maybe somebody

648
00:33:46,120 --> 00:33:50,000
Speaker 1: was trying to not go to him into playing, but

649
00:33:50,600 --> 00:33:54,080
Speaker 1: trying to push him into come on, let's go, let's

650
00:33:54,360 --> 00:33:56,880
Speaker 1: let's let's get back on the horse here. And like

651
00:33:57,000 --> 00:33:59,920
Speaker 1: I did with the with the dinner invites, just keeps

652
00:34:00,040 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: subtly bringing it up until you feel obligated to eventually

653
00:34:03,000 --> 00:34:05,960
Speaker 1: do it. Yes, exactly that strategy. But my back was

654
00:34:06,040 --> 00:34:09,080
Speaker 1: hurting when we went to dinner as well. Yeah. I

655
00:34:09,160 --> 00:34:11,960
Speaker 1: know he's self medicated too, buddy, But I God, I

656
00:34:11,960 --> 00:34:14,400
Speaker 1: didn't get a sip of that wine. But I do.

657
00:34:14,800 --> 00:34:17,600
Speaker 1: I do make my free throws. You do make your

658
00:34:17,600 --> 00:34:19,000
Speaker 1: free throws? Can I ask you a question? I don't

659
00:34:19,000 --> 00:34:21,160
Speaker 1: know how much time we have, um, but I really

660
00:34:21,200 --> 00:34:25,840
Speaker 1: I have too. Kevin Durant questions, Okay, has Kevin Durant

661
00:34:25,840 --> 00:34:27,600
Speaker 1: ever been the best player in basketball? And if so,

662
00:34:27,719 --> 00:34:32,520
Speaker 1: win I've said no, I get I get into this

663
00:34:32,560 --> 00:34:36,600
Speaker 1: discussion with Doug Gottlieb. Gottlieb is like god, gott Laby

664
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Speaker 1: has been the best player for six years and oh

665
00:34:38,800 --> 00:34:42,080
Speaker 1: my god, it's so stupid. And I said to no,

666
00:34:42,840 --> 00:34:46,879
Speaker 1: Lebron has always been better than Kevin Durant. Last year,

667
00:34:47,200 --> 00:34:49,839
Speaker 1: one could argue with Lebron getting hurt not playing great

668
00:34:49,840 --> 00:34:52,600
Speaker 1: in the playoffs that Durant passed him, but then last

669
00:34:52,640 --> 00:34:55,760
Speaker 1: year jann has passed him both and now it's Jannest.

670
00:34:55,800 --> 00:34:57,520
Speaker 1: All right, here's the next question, because here's the other thing.

671
00:34:57,520 --> 00:35:00,359
Speaker 1: You know how much I care about ranking players. I

672
00:35:00,400 --> 00:35:03,560
Speaker 1: feel like so Bill Simmons, who cares even more about

673
00:35:03,600 --> 00:35:05,640
Speaker 1: ranking players than me and wrote one of the greatest

674
00:35:05,640 --> 00:35:08,400
Speaker 1: books on basketball ever, and I tremendous respect for it.

675
00:35:08,880 --> 00:35:12,600
Speaker 1: He keeps just casually saying Katie's one of the ten

676
00:35:12,600 --> 00:35:16,239
Speaker 1: greatest players ever. I don't not only do I not

677
00:35:16,320 --> 00:35:19,160
Speaker 1: think that's right, I don't think I don't think anyone

678
00:35:19,239 --> 00:35:22,880
Speaker 1: actually thinks it if you name the names. So just

679
00:35:23,120 --> 00:35:25,200
Speaker 1: walk with me here and stop me if there's anyone

680
00:35:25,239 --> 00:35:28,680
Speaker 1: you think there's an argument Katie's better than lebron Kareem,

681
00:35:28,800 --> 00:35:33,000
Speaker 1: Michael Magic, Will Russell. We're at six, already off the top,

682
00:35:33,120 --> 00:35:38,520
Speaker 1: no question, Tim Duncan, Kobe Bryant, Larry Bird. We're at nine.

683
00:35:38,880 --> 00:35:40,600
Speaker 1: To be top ten, you have to then be better

684
00:35:40,640 --> 00:35:43,879
Speaker 1: than everyone else. I have not mentioned a Keene, I've

685
00:35:43,920 --> 00:35:47,560
Speaker 1: not mentioned Shaq, I have not mentioned doctor J. To me,

686
00:35:48,080 --> 00:35:50,920
Speaker 1: those are three more clearly. Now we're at twelve, and

687
00:35:51,000 --> 00:35:54,319
Speaker 1: here's the other problem for Katie is it ridiculous for

688
00:35:54,360 --> 00:35:56,800
Speaker 1: me to say he's going to end up the fourth

689
00:35:56,880 --> 00:36:04,640
Speaker 1: best of his era, Ron, Jannis, Steph Durant, like the

690
00:36:04,760 --> 00:36:08,279
Speaker 1: post War like that. So to me, Katie's a hell

691
00:36:08,320 --> 00:36:11,319
Speaker 1: of a lot closer to twenty all time than to ten.

692
00:36:11,560 --> 00:36:14,760
Speaker 1: I didn't even mention Moses. I didn't mention Oscar or Jerry.

693
00:36:14,760 --> 00:36:17,200
Speaker 1: Oscar and Jerry are tough, and they're so long ago.

694
00:36:17,200 --> 00:36:20,000
Speaker 1: I'm not gonna act like I watched them. But but

695
00:36:20,239 --> 00:36:22,560
Speaker 1: I don't think any of those names jump out to you.

696
00:36:22,640 --> 00:36:27,200
Speaker 1: Is Oh that Nick, that's ridiculous. Dran's better than that. Um.

697
00:36:29,080 --> 00:36:31,880
Speaker 1: I well, I'd like to know who Bill Simmons is

698
00:36:31,920 --> 00:36:35,120
Speaker 1: taking out of the top ten. Yeah, I just too

699
00:36:35,160 --> 00:36:38,959
Speaker 1: curious because at some point now Simmons isn't taking Larry

700
00:36:38,960 --> 00:36:41,920
Speaker 1: Bird out of there. But nope, but at some point

701
00:36:42,000 --> 00:36:44,480
Speaker 1: somebody's gonna make a case for themselves that Larry Bird

702
00:36:44,560 --> 00:36:48,760
Speaker 1: drops out of the top ten all time just because

703
00:36:48,760 --> 00:36:50,960
Speaker 1: he didn't have longevity. He did have the you know,

704
00:36:51,040 --> 00:36:54,799
Speaker 1: the three MVPs. You know, but you might have Jannis.

705
00:36:55,400 --> 00:36:59,000
Speaker 1: I think Janni's gonna replace it, yeah, the right now,

706
00:36:59,080 --> 00:37:02,520
Speaker 1: Like I think Larry is a strong nine, But if

707
00:37:02,520 --> 00:37:04,560
Speaker 1: you're nine, you're holding on for dear life for that

708
00:37:04,600 --> 00:37:06,759
Speaker 1: top ten. I have Larry right ahead of a team

709
00:37:06,760 --> 00:37:09,880
Speaker 1: and Shack and Doctor J. What Aboctor J gets screwed

710
00:37:09,920 --> 00:37:12,480
Speaker 1: because nobody cares about the AVA but he was so dominant.

711
00:37:12,400 --> 00:37:15,239
Speaker 1: But go ahead? What about Steph Curry? If Golden State

712
00:37:15,239 --> 00:37:19,680
Speaker 1: wins a title this year, to me, Steph Curry would

713
00:37:19,800 --> 00:37:22,160
Speaker 1: would then does he move ahead? I know people love

714
00:37:22,200 --> 00:37:24,400
Speaker 1: to save is never MVP of the of the Finals.

715
00:37:24,440 --> 00:37:26,920
Speaker 1: I understand all that, But if he wins the title

716
00:37:27,360 --> 00:37:33,600
Speaker 1: without KD, do we then put him higher on that list? Yeah?

717
00:37:33,719 --> 00:37:36,520
Speaker 1: I think if he wins the title this year, he

718
00:37:36,680 --> 00:37:41,520
Speaker 1: jumps Moses and Doctor J. And I think you start

719
00:37:41,560 --> 00:37:44,439
Speaker 1: having a real conversation. It's so funny. Couldn't have two

720
00:37:44,440 --> 00:37:48,200
Speaker 1: more dissimilar players of him and Shack. I've always been

721
00:37:48,200 --> 00:37:51,920
Speaker 1: in the team slightly ahead of Shack, guy, um, But

722
00:37:52,360 --> 00:37:55,000
Speaker 1: then it's a real like Shack and Steph couldn't be,

723
00:37:55,239 --> 00:37:58,719
Speaker 1: you know, more diametrically opposed players. But I think it's

724
00:37:58,760 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: a real conversation. They would have the same number of rings.

725
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:03,560
Speaker 1: I'm not counting the rings guy. They would have gotten

726
00:38:03,600 --> 00:38:09,600
Speaker 1: them very differently. Shacks all time. Apex might be the highest.

727
00:38:09,800 --> 00:38:12,520
Speaker 1: If you were to tell me one game, to save

728
00:38:12,600 --> 00:38:14,759
Speaker 1: your life, you get any player in league history at

729
00:38:14,800 --> 00:38:17,120
Speaker 1: his apex. I think I might take Shack over lebron

730
00:38:17,200 --> 00:38:19,600
Speaker 1: Kareem and Mike like Apex Shack. I'm like, well, I'm

731
00:38:19,600 --> 00:38:23,000
Speaker 1: getting forty and twenty and five like guaranteed. But he

732
00:38:23,120 --> 00:38:26,319
Speaker 1: just didn't. Wasn't there long enough? And Steph, it has

733
00:38:26,360 --> 00:38:29,400
Speaker 1: to if the goal is winning, it has to be

734
00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:32,600
Speaker 1: accounted for. This guy's the greatest teammate this side of

735
00:38:32,640 --> 00:38:36,600
Speaker 1: Tim Duncan. We've seen in thirty years that he welcomed

736
00:38:36,680 --> 00:38:39,080
Speaker 1: Duran in that he is now saying I'll come off

737
00:38:39,080 --> 00:38:41,320
Speaker 1: the bench when you need me that like that stuff

738
00:38:41,400 --> 00:38:45,960
Speaker 1: has to matter. Yeah, I still look at you know,

739
00:38:45,960 --> 00:38:48,360
Speaker 1: there's certain guys that I look like, look at and

740
00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:52,919
Speaker 1: say they're underrated, Like I think Elijahan is underrated. I mean,

741
00:38:54,040 --> 00:38:57,919
Speaker 1: he's my favorite, doesn't he He still leads in block

742
00:38:57,960 --> 00:39:01,280
Speaker 1: shots all time. Of course he's up there and steals

743
00:39:01,400 --> 00:39:04,400
Speaker 1: as well. Yeah, of course, and people don't. The thing

744
00:39:04,480 --> 00:39:07,800
Speaker 1: is nobody knows dude went to the finals in eighty six.

745
00:39:08,239 --> 00:39:11,200
Speaker 1: Nobody cares about that lost to one of the greatest

746
00:39:11,239 --> 00:39:14,359
Speaker 1: teams ever in the Celtics and then the next year

747
00:39:14,360 --> 00:39:17,520
Speaker 1: in the playoffs averaged. I don't have it in front

748
00:39:17,560 --> 00:39:19,360
Speaker 1: of me, but in a series they lost in the

749
00:39:19,400 --> 00:39:23,040
Speaker 1: first round, average like thirty seven and seventeen with four

750
00:39:23,040 --> 00:39:26,279
Speaker 1: blocks a game, they lose in round one. A team

751
00:39:26,480 --> 00:39:28,960
Speaker 1: was and it has to matter that for everyone's like, oh,

752
00:39:29,040 --> 00:39:31,560
Speaker 1: Michael would have won eight. I don't buy that. But

753
00:39:32,040 --> 00:39:37,839
Speaker 1: there was an era of Barkley, Malone, Ewing Robinson, you know,

754
00:39:38,000 --> 00:39:42,920
Speaker 1: because Duncan wasn't there yet. All Peyton Camp, your buddy,

755
00:39:42,960 --> 00:39:46,279
Speaker 1: Reggie Miller, all these guys had two not they were

756
00:39:46,480 --> 00:39:49,200
Speaker 1: one and a half non Michael Jordan championships, eligient, reformed

757
00:39:49,360 --> 00:39:53,360
Speaker 1: young Shack and a Kam got them both. That's gotta matter, no,

758
00:39:53,440 --> 00:39:56,960
Speaker 1: I A dream is unbelievable, unbelievable and the greatest defensive

759
00:39:56,960 --> 00:40:00,640
Speaker 1: player other than Bill Russell in NBA history. Having been

760
00:40:00,680 --> 00:40:05,040
Speaker 1: fortunate to watch Doctor J and two ABA games, and

761
00:40:05,200 --> 00:40:09,880
Speaker 1: I remember that he played against Denver and Denver had

762
00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,560
Speaker 1: a great front line. But Doctor J was there's nobody'd

763
00:40:14,560 --> 00:40:18,319
Speaker 1: like him like. But people can't see that, like you

764
00:40:18,360 --> 00:40:21,440
Speaker 1: can see see it, but oh my god, and he

765
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:24,880
Speaker 1: wasn't a great shooter. But he just he had this.

766
00:40:25,160 --> 00:40:27,600
Speaker 1: You know, go back to the Portland series against Bill Walton.

767
00:40:28,200 --> 00:40:30,040
Speaker 1: He was the best player. They should have given him

768
00:40:30,080 --> 00:40:33,880
Speaker 1: the MVP in a losing effort. And here's the thing

769
00:40:33,920 --> 00:40:36,360
Speaker 1: about two things about Doctor J. Broussard brings us up

770
00:40:36,400 --> 00:40:38,360
Speaker 1: all the time. And he's right. When the ABA and

771
00:40:38,400 --> 00:40:41,200
Speaker 1: the NBA both existed, and the ABA and the NBA

772
00:40:41,239 --> 00:40:43,879
Speaker 1: would play each other in exhibitions, the ABA won two

773
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,440
Speaker 1: out of three. Ever, so you could argue the ABA

774
00:40:46,560 --> 00:40:49,560
Speaker 1: was tougher. He's the greatest player in ABA history. Then

775
00:40:49,600 --> 00:40:52,440
Speaker 1: he goes into the NBA and before he wins the

776
00:40:52,440 --> 00:40:55,400
Speaker 1: title with Moses, he took the Sixers to three finals.

777
00:40:55,960 --> 00:40:59,359
Speaker 1: So the Sixers too, three like no Doctor J. This

778
00:40:59,600 --> 00:41:04,400
Speaker 1: every one just it felt like three years ago elevated

779
00:41:04,480 --> 00:41:07,719
Speaker 1: Durant ahead of Doctor J. And it's just like pump

780
00:41:07,800 --> 00:41:11,440
Speaker 1: the brakes a bit, a little, a little bit. I

781
00:41:11,480 --> 00:41:15,879
Speaker 1: think we all thought, it's just unbelievable. To me, I

782
00:41:15,920 --> 00:41:18,839
Speaker 1: was in person at Barclays to watch the greatest game

783
00:41:18,920 --> 00:41:23,000
Speaker 1: Durant's ever played forty eight, seventeen and ten with the

784
00:41:23,400 --> 00:41:27,080
Speaker 1: Harden on one leg No Kyrie Game five against Milwaukee.

785
00:41:27,840 --> 00:41:32,359
Speaker 1: That's the last playoff game he won. That's tough. If

786
00:41:32,400 --> 00:41:34,680
Speaker 1: I say, in the last twenty years, you got one

787
00:41:34,680 --> 00:41:41,040
Speaker 1: guy to start franchise with and I remove Lebron. You're honest, Okay,

788
00:41:41,200 --> 00:41:43,280
Speaker 1: do you think he's going to be a top five

789
00:41:43,320 --> 00:41:48,120
Speaker 1: player of all time? Well, the top five's hard. I mean,

790
00:41:48,280 --> 00:41:51,440
Speaker 1: top five is a top one to crack because there's like,

791
00:41:51,960 --> 00:41:55,840
Speaker 1: it's you know, it's the four most important transcendent players

792
00:41:55,880 --> 00:41:58,799
Speaker 1: in league history. Lebron, Cream, Magic and Michael and then

793
00:41:59,080 --> 00:42:01,960
Speaker 1: you know, pick your Wilter Russell, whatever your flavor is.

794
00:42:02,120 --> 00:42:04,080
Speaker 1: So I don't know if you want it, so you

795
00:42:04,120 --> 00:42:07,680
Speaker 1: really only have I don't know. I don't know if

796
00:42:07,680 --> 00:42:09,640
Speaker 1: he's gonna be top five all time. I do think

797
00:42:09,680 --> 00:42:13,839
Speaker 1: he's gonna pass Kobe and Duncan and Bird. I think,

798
00:42:13,840 --> 00:42:16,480
Speaker 1: I mean, I think he's gonna win this year. I mean,

799
00:42:16,520 --> 00:42:19,680
Speaker 1: he's unbelievable. I think that for the next eight years

800
00:42:19,680 --> 00:42:23,200
Speaker 1: in the NBA, it's Janis and Luca and it's it's

801
00:42:23,239 --> 00:42:26,520
Speaker 1: the twenty twenties version of Bird and Magic. It's not

802
00:42:26,560 --> 00:42:30,279
Speaker 1: just because white black in East West, but at luca Is.

803
00:42:31,239 --> 00:42:33,600
Speaker 1: You know, I see, you know, I'm the man that

804
00:42:33,680 --> 00:42:35,960
Speaker 1: said the Clippers could never make the conference finals with

805
00:42:35,960 --> 00:42:38,160
Speaker 1: Twain Paul George and that said the Nets could never

806
00:42:38,160 --> 00:42:39,719
Speaker 1: make the conference finals. I'm also a man said the

807
00:42:39,719 --> 00:42:41,560
Speaker 1: Maps are gonna make the finals. You mark that down,

808
00:42:41,640 --> 00:42:45,080
Speaker 1: Dan Patrick, this is Luca's O seven. I know you've

809
00:42:45,120 --> 00:42:48,080
Speaker 1: been You've been big on them. They gotta survive this series.

810
00:42:48,960 --> 00:42:52,000
Speaker 1: Oh it's over surviveing the series. By the way, I'm

811
00:42:52,040 --> 00:42:56,120
Speaker 1: I'm moving markets. The Vegas has under priced the MAVs

812
00:42:56,160 --> 00:42:59,360
Speaker 1: consistently since Luca has been back, and this morning I

813
00:42:59,520 --> 00:43:03,359
Speaker 1: log in like, oh, Dallas plus a point and a half, Well,

814
00:43:03,400 --> 00:43:06,440
Speaker 1: that seems worth a maximum. Wager mentioned it on the

815
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Speaker 1: show Show Wins. I look, oh Dallas minus one old

816
00:43:11,120 --> 00:43:14,640
Speaker 1: two and a half point line movement. Was there any news? No, no, no.

817
00:43:15,320 --> 00:43:17,640
Speaker 1: They saw your buddy Nick Wright putting a wager and

818
00:43:17,680 --> 00:43:20,160
Speaker 1: they were like, oh boy, he's been killing us on

819
00:43:20,200 --> 00:43:23,960
Speaker 1: the Lucas. It was Dallas minus three yesterday. Dan made

820
00:43:23,960 --> 00:43:26,960
Speaker 1: for a small midsized luxury sedan with that. I like that,

821
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Speaker 1: and next meal on me, oh yeah, wog you yeah,

822
00:43:32,040 --> 00:43:35,840
Speaker 1: oh boy, I've been I've been looking. I've been looking

823
00:43:36,440 --> 00:43:39,600
Speaker 1: get my best of wild Okay, I'll give my I'll

824
00:43:39,640 --> 00:43:41,640
Speaker 1: give your best to everyone on my show. Since you

825
00:43:41,760 --> 00:43:43,520
Speaker 1: liked all of us equally, I'll talk to you later.

826
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Speaker 1: Thank you, Bun. That's Nick right. Fox Sports First things first,

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Speaker 1: FS one