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Speaker 1: It's time to place your bets right coming down, let's

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Speaker 1: talk to the pros one. Welcome to everybody to betting pros.

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Speaker 1: It's me Joey p Joe Pizza for you. We got

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Speaker 1: a great show for you today as always. Yes, we're

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Speaker 1: past the halfway part of the Major League Baseball season. Yes,

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Speaker 1: so the home run Derby is in the rear view,

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Speaker 1: so is the All Star Game. But there have been

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Speaker 1: a lot of injuries to talk about here that really

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Speaker 1: are going to affect not only futures of players, but

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Speaker 1: futures of teams. And there's nobody better to get the

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Speaker 1: inside information than a real Major League Baseball insider. He

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Speaker 1: is my former co host of Fantasy Sports Today and

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Speaker 1: the current co host there at Sports Grid as well.

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Speaker 1: And not only that, he also covers the Marlins everything

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Speaker 1: going on with them. He's the one, the only Craig Mish.

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Speaker 1: Mish Welcome to the show, my friend. It's been too

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Speaker 1: long and here we are talking little baseball today. It's

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Speaker 1: good to see your face.

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Speaker 2: It is great to see you, Joe. Hope you and

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Speaker 2: your family are well. Thanks for the invitation.

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Speaker 1: By the way, Yeah, well you know we're gonna be

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Speaker 1: doing some Football and Sports Grid together every Sunday, and

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Speaker 1: I figured, you know what, I haven't talked to Miss

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Speaker 1: in a few weeks here months. Maybe it's time to

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Speaker 1: make sure we dust off the old brand, which is

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Speaker 1: Joey P and Craignish, which you can't kill. I mean,

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Speaker 1: really share man, it is. It is stunning. You know,

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Speaker 1: we're coming up on a decade. I don't know what

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Speaker 1: you're gonna get me for the ten year anniversary.

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Speaker 2: But I know the nice you know, it's funny. It's

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Speaker 2: funny that you bring that up because we were talking

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Speaker 2: about you the other day on the show. We were

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Speaker 2: on the air and something came up. I think it

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Speaker 2: was Space Jam. I want to say, I don't know

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Speaker 2: what it was, but I said, if Joe Piece of

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Speaker 2: P was on this show, this is what he would

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Speaker 2: say about Space Jam. I'm not gonna watch it now,

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Speaker 2: but I promise you eventually I will. It may not

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Speaker 2: be today, it may not be tomorrow, but I guarantee

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Speaker 2: you eventually, and then and then I and I will

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Speaker 2: ask Joe about this weekly. He still will not watch it,

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Speaker 2: he does not have the time, but eventually he will

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Speaker 2: and he will give a fair review on it at

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Speaker 2: his pace.

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Speaker 1: Well, I got a show for you when baseball is

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Speaker 1: over and you get some more time. We're not traveling

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Speaker 1: anymore or do anything. The Boys. Have you watched The Boys?

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Speaker 1: I don't know, Amazon Prime. Let the Superheroes are kind

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Speaker 1: of the bad guys. So The Heroes is like the

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Speaker 1: anti hero kind of thing going on. It is amazing.

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Speaker 1: It is one of the most clever, dark, funny shows

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Speaker 1: I've ever seen, turns all that superhero stuff on its

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Speaker 1: ear and it is really well acted. So there you go.

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Speaker 1: So you got a little shows, you get that, you

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Speaker 1: get a little everything here. But let's talk here with

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Speaker 1: Craig Mitch because the Jacob de Gram injury in the

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Speaker 1: National League has really changed the dynamic of what's going

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Speaker 1: on all of a sudden. Now the MVP odds have

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Speaker 1: come down from all the places here over I'm betting

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Speaker 1: this young right now. And I'm curious to ask you this, Craig,

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Speaker 1: If da Grom comes back healthy, what do you think

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Speaker 2: It stands, Yeah, look, I mean at this point you

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Speaker 2: I don't see the Nationals winning the division, and usually

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Speaker 1: And he's got the narrative to playing through the season

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the American League here for

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Speaker 1: a second and show Hey, Tani, you know, I gotta

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Speaker 1: tell you I learned from my good pal Craig Mish

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Speaker 1: I got in on show hal Tan and be very

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Speaker 1: proud of me. But nice fat bet there at six

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Speaker 1: or is Vlad's possibility of winning a triple crown? Does

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Speaker 1: it doesn't matter because Otani's already built up so much

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Speaker 2: Well, I mean, let's be fair. If Otani decided to

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Speaker 2: and never play again, he would not win the MVP

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Speaker 2: somebody else would win it, But that's the kind of

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Speaker 2: extraordinary circumstance that I think that it would require. I

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Speaker 2: would say, I'm looking at the calendar the twentieth of July.

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Speaker 2: I think if Otani just makes two more weeks or

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Speaker 2: three more weeks, I don't think it'll matter, but not

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Speaker 2: quite yet because vladd is having an unbelievable season, but

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Speaker 2: a triple crown or not Otani that was the right call.

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Speaker 2: I think you and I talked about betting Otani last

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Speaker 2: year before the season. Winning the MVP is just it

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Speaker 2: think the bigger story, Joe is that for the next

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Speaker 2: ten years, if Shohei Otani is just does eighty percent

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Speaker 2: of what he's doing now, not great, but just good,

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Speaker 2: how do they not give him the MVP? Like this

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Speaker 2: is what they're setting themselves up for for the next decade.

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Speaker 2: So it's gonna be really interesting moving forward because somebody

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Speaker 2: not going to give him the MVP the next year?

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Speaker 2: So fascinating moving forward. But you got Otani this year

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Speaker 1: Yeah, And of course the regret is not getting it

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Speaker 1: at twenty to one. But I think part of it

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Speaker 1: Now with those seventy games left to play, Let's talk

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Speaker 1: I mean, the Yankees have not played up to their abilities.

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Speaker 1: So when you're looking at this team right now, do

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Speaker 2: Yeah, I don't think that they'll hit the ninety five.

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Speaker 2: But the other part of this, too is that the

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Speaker 2: you just don't know which direction the Yankees are going

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Speaker 2: I don't think that they I don't think they win

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Speaker 2: trade deadline comes and goes on the thirtieth. We really

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Speaker 2: ever have, Joe. We can actually identify the teams that

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Speaker 2: I think you do. I mean, you know who the

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Speaker 2: Cincinnati has fallen back, you could throw a dart them,

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Speaker 2: you pretty much know everyone in the NL. You know

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Speaker 2: the good teams are gonna get better and the bad

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Speaker 1: So where the Yankees are a buyer or seller?

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Speaker 2: You think they always are buyers. They're never seller, So

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Speaker 1: All right, let's talk about the Astros since you mentioned

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Speaker 1: do you think with this Astros team lately? You've seen

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Speaker 1: but look, this team scores a ton of runs and

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Speaker 2: it would be over the eighty seven. Remember, they're going

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Speaker 2: That's going to be pretty easy for them. The Rangers

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Speaker 2: But it seems like the mental stuff is gone. They're

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Speaker 2: And by the way, we haven't heard anything from him

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Speaker 2: There's just so much variance, Joe. In the last two

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Speaker 2: know how injured Clayton Kershaw is, Joe. There's a chance

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Speaker 2: if they needed him the pitch, could he tomorrow maybe?

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Speaker 2: And they've shown a propensity to just throw their guys

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Speaker 2: Bellinger has been out, Speaker's been out, Bets has been out,

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Speaker 2: They've all been out, and they simply don't care. They

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Speaker 2: you know. I think that everything has gone very well

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Speaker 2: got to be really careful about just buying into buzz

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Speaker 1: Like have we seen right now? No, I don't think.

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Speaker 2: with you, I still don't think it's enough. Like Snell

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Speaker 1: believe in the Giants, but then I start reminding myself, well,

432
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Speaker 1: second half buster posey.

433
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Speaker 2: You know it's true.

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Speaker 1: Does he went down? He's a catcher. Looking at the

435
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Speaker 1: rest of these pitchers, the Alex Woods, and are they gonna

436
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Speaker 1: stay healthy? Desko Finie gonna get enough from them? I

437
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Speaker 1: don't know. Gosman's been great, and I do believe in Gosman,

438
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Speaker 1: But does Alex Dickerson in the middle of that order, really,

439
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Speaker 1: you know, screamed terrifying lineup protection.

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Speaker 2: I guess that's true, that's true. But let me ask

441
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Speaker 2: you this, did you think that the Giants were gonna

442
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Speaker 2: win all those World Series with the squads that they

443
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Speaker 2: had back then when they did that too.

444
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Speaker 1: No, he had that one pitcher, and I don't know

445
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Speaker 1: if Gosman could be what Bumgarner was, a guy who

446
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Speaker 1: could pitch, you know, every two hours.

447
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Speaker 2: It's fair, it's a fair assessment. But the thing with

448
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Speaker 2: the Giants is that I would say that like the

449
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Speaker 2: Contrarian too, that is that they're getting better now. It's

450
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Speaker 2: not even like you could say, well, Craig, they've played

451
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Speaker 2: five hundred baseball over the last month and it doesn't

452
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Speaker 2: seem to be going very well, and they kind of

453
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Speaker 2: got off to that great start. Like they're getting better,

454
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Speaker 2: they're pulling away from teams. So at some point soon

455
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Speaker 2: I think we have to start recognizing that they're just

456
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Speaker 2: a good team. And who had Gabe Kapler winning manager

457
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Speaker 2: of the Year.

458
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Speaker 1: I don't think I had that on my Bengo card

459
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Speaker 1: I got a check. Nope, did not have that one

460
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Speaker 1: at all. Let's talk about the East since you mentioned

461
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Speaker 1: them in the National League, because again de grom Lindor,

462
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Speaker 1: you know, this is why he's a Mets fan. You

463
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Speaker 1: can't have nice things. I always preface and you know,

464
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Speaker 1: self loathing. This is why we are because the minute

465
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Speaker 1: you start to feel good about something, you know you're

466
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Speaker 1: looking forward to it. You come back from the All

467
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Speaker 1: Star Break, Pi Alonso wins the home run derby, you're thinking, look,

468
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Speaker 1: baseball's fun again. De gram is great. He's not even

469
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Speaker 1: pitching the All Star Game because he cares so much

470
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Speaker 1: about the team winning and all this blah blah blah,

471
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Speaker 1: and to back here we are. Everybody's hurt again. This

472
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Speaker 1: is tough. The number for the Mets ninety and a

473
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Speaker 1: half minus one eighteen, minus one ten on the over,

474
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Speaker 1: minus one eighteen on the under. So ninety and a

475
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Speaker 1: half is that number for the Mets. The Mets continue

476
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Speaker 1: to find ways to win games, yesterday being another bizarre one,

477
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Speaker 1: A strange game in Cincinnati to say the least. I

478
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Speaker 1: guess here's my question to you, Acunya out the Braves

479
00:20:24,000 --> 00:20:26,399
Speaker 1: missing a ton of pieces, including now Ian Anderson on

480
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Speaker 1: the aisle the Phillies. I don't know that bullpen's still trash.

481
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Speaker 1: I think we could agree on that. Still looking at

482
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Speaker 1: the rest of that rotation and have a lot of

483
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Speaker 1: question marks the Nationals kicking around. Do you think that

484
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Speaker 1: this is locked up? Is it the Mets and is

485
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Speaker 1: ninety and a half the number. Can they sustain all

486
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Speaker 1: these other injuries? Can they get Carrasco back? Can they

487
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Speaker 1: just continue to pull rabbits out of their hat and

488
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Speaker 1: hit this ninety nine and a half.

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Speaker 2: Okay, So I look, we unfortunately, we can eliminate Miami.

490
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Speaker 2: It's just they've they have not had aura you even

491
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Speaker 2: ask you, they have. We got to eliminate Miami from it.

492
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Speaker 2: My heart hurts, but that's just the true. I'm going

493
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Speaker 2: to eliminate Washington from the conversation.

494
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Speaker 1: I just I don't think thebourg recent setback.

495
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Speaker 2: Look, they went on. They went on a three week

496
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Speaker 2: run with the hottest player I may have ever seen

497
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Speaker 2: in Kyle Schwarber, and that was their whole season. They're

498
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Speaker 2: under five hundred. So let me ask you this, Okay,

499
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Speaker 2: the Braves, the Braves, I'm in agreement with you there.

500
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Speaker 2: I think too many injuries. I think they're trying to

501
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Speaker 2: stay in it. I don't think that they will. I

502
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Speaker 2: agree with you. You can't lose a guy like Akunya.

503
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Speaker 2: Smiley has not been really great for them all season.

504
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Speaker 2: Their acquisitions haven't worked out. Ozuna, you know, going off

505
00:21:36,240 --> 00:21:39,000
Speaker 2: the deep end this year. All those things happen, I'll

506
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Speaker 2: eliminate Atlanta from the conversation as well. So I would

507
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Speaker 2: ask you this, Joe, Dave don Browski is the general

508
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Speaker 2: manager of the Philadelphia Phillies, who has all who has

509
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Speaker 2: been in this seat many times, with the Marlins, with

510
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Speaker 2: the Tigers, with the Red Sox World Series. On all

511
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Speaker 2: those three teams, I'm not saying the Phillies have a

512
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Speaker 2: World Series seat. Do you think that on July thirty

513
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Speaker 2: at Dave Don Browski is not going to go out

514
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Speaker 2: and get some crazy to help them. If I told

515
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Speaker 2: you that the Phillies got Craig Kimberl on July thirtieth

516
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Speaker 2: and he was their closer, I think you, Joe would

517
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Speaker 2: feel differently about the Phillies at that point, or any

518
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Speaker 2: other closing by it, you would say, wow, okay, well,

519
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Speaker 2: now maybe they have a guy to close out the

520
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Speaker 2: Knife now. Anybody who they've gotten in the past has

521
00:22:16,960 --> 00:22:18,639
Speaker 2: not worked out. It doesn't matter who the name is.

522
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Speaker 2: Brandon Workman was phenomenal last year in the first half.

523
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Speaker 2: He goes to Philadelphia can't pitch anymore. I'm not going

524
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Speaker 2: to rule Philadelphia is a little bit of a strange team.

525
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Speaker 2: They definitely have an odd clubhouse. It doesn't always seem

526
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Speaker 2: to fit. But talent wise, you put Philadelphia's lineup against

527
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Speaker 2: the Mets, it's there. You put their pitching, Philadelphia's pitching

528
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Speaker 2: against the Mets when they're right Wheeler and Nola, it

529
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Speaker 2: is there. They don't have the bullpen pieces, but this

530
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Speaker 2: is a close enough. These two teams are close enough

531
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Speaker 2: within the division that when they play each other, I

532
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Speaker 2: think it's going to get decided. So for me, I

533
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Speaker 2: still think the Mets have a good shot, but I

534
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Speaker 2: will not rule out Philadelphia. I think that's the team

535
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Speaker 2: that could catch them.

536
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Speaker 1: You know what I mean, You certainly make a good

537
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Speaker 1: case if Zach Wheeler especially can continue to pitch the

538
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Speaker 1: way he has this year. No one's been erratic, that's

539
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Speaker 1: the tough thing about. The only guy more erratic is

540
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Speaker 1: Blake Snell. We just talked about what the padres. I mean,

541
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Speaker 1: you look at those home road splits. He's got an

542
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Speaker 1: era at home under two and on the road it's ten.

543
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Speaker 1: I don't remember recent remembory seeing anything as crazy as that.

544
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Speaker 1: That Yan Chen, Yeah, well way and Chen, I remember

545
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Speaker 1: who there was another guy a couple of year, Lance

546
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Speaker 1: mccullors had an era like that two years ago. It

547
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Speaker 1: was just bizarre. He couldn't believe that the splits. So

548
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Speaker 1: let's see how Craig feels about the Mets and the

549
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Speaker 1: Phillies and some other teams. Here we get to the

550
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Speaker 1: National League representation. Here, the Dodgers plus one seventy five

551
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Speaker 1: to win the National League. The Mets are the next

552
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Speaker 1: closest at plus four fifty, the Padres at plus four

553
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Speaker 1: to forty. Then you've got six plus six hundred for

554
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Speaker 1: the Milwaukee Brewers, plus seven for the Giants, and the

555
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Speaker 1: Phillies plus twenty three hundred. So when you're looking right now,

556
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Speaker 1: who do you think is the team that's going to

557
00:23:55,880 --> 00:23:57,399
Speaker 1: come out of the National League? Because we all know

558
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Speaker 1: getting into playoffs is one thing short series is, And

559
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Speaker 1: can the Brewers' rotation handle the innings that are going

560
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Speaker 1: to be out there, not just in the season, but

561
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Speaker 1: then on top of that, can Freddy Peralta and Corbyn

562
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Speaker 1: Burns continue to be that good when you cross over

563
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Speaker 1: one hundred and fifty hundred and sixty innings because that's

564
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Speaker 1: the pace they're going to be on. Is that enough

565
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Speaker 1: in a short series with that lineup? Do you like

566
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Speaker 1: the Mets? Do you like the Dodgers? Where you like

567
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Speaker 1: to put your money for the National League?

568
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Speaker 2: Yeah, I'll still take LA at almost two to one.

569
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Speaker 2: I think there's still some value there. I think that

570
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Speaker 2: the Dodgers will replace Bauer at the trade deadline. They're

571
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Speaker 2: a very clear buyer, they Joe. They acquired you Darvish,

572
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Speaker 2: remember that out of nowhere a couple of years ago,

573
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Speaker 2: and they made a run with him. They're going to

574
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Speaker 2: do something similar to that. Like you don't think Max

575
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Speaker 2: Sure's are is going to be on the Dodgers, Joe?

576
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Speaker 2: But would it shock you if Max Shus ended up

577
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Speaker 2: on the Dodgers?

578
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Speaker 1: And if your Max Sure's I can understand saying okay

579
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Speaker 1: to that one. What about Charlie Morton? Another guy too

580
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Speaker 1: may shock me?

581
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Speaker 2: Maybe Charlie?

582
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Speaker 1: Yeah?

583
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Speaker 2: On Atlanta? Yeah, I mean I don't know that Atlanta

584
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Speaker 2: will be that far see Morton deal, Joe would probably

585
00:25:01,680 --> 00:25:04,280
Speaker 2: happen like through the waivers on August thirty first? Is

586
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Speaker 2: I think Atlanta? I mean, we're still we're only nine

587
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Speaker 2: days away. I don't unless the Braves lose every game

588
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Speaker 2: between now and then. The feeling I get is that

589
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Speaker 2: they're still gonna fight for a while. People forget that

590
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Speaker 2: other deadline. And that's a perfect example of a guy

591
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Speaker 2: that could get traded, you know, right there, because he

592
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Speaker 2: does have some money to pay. There are a lot of

593
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Speaker 2: teams would just be like, what are we gonna do

594
00:25:26,040 --> 00:25:28,439
Speaker 2: with this guy? We don't need him. So it's a

595
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Speaker 2: good name, definitely, so, but more of a name I

596
00:25:31,000 --> 00:25:34,320
Speaker 2: think for a month from now, I braves believe they

597
00:25:34,359 --> 00:25:36,720
Speaker 2: still have a chance. We got to at least acknowledge that.

598
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Speaker 1: All right, So the American League possibly more complicated. We

599
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Speaker 1: have the Astros plus two hundred, the White Sox at

600
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Speaker 1: plus three ten consensus betting line over at betting pros.

601
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Speaker 1: On the Red Sox side, he got plus five to fifty,

602
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Speaker 1: than Tampa plus seven hundred, the Oakland A's plus nine

603
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Speaker 1: to fifty, and the Toronto Blue Jays ten to one.

604
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Speaker 1: Which there's something about the Blue Jays, Craig and I

605
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Speaker 1: don't know when they get back to Canada, if they're

606
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Speaker 1: gonna have capacity seating, how that's going to work out

607
00:26:00,320 --> 00:26:03,600
Speaker 1: eventually for them. But sometimes those young teams that just

608
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Speaker 1: don't know they're not supposed to be there, they are

609
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Speaker 1: incredibly dangerous they're finally gonna get George Springer here, the

610
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Speaker 1: George Springer we hope here in the second half that

611
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Speaker 1: they were hoping in the first half healthy. You see

612
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Speaker 1: the lineup, You see what FLA's doing. Robbie Ray has

613
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Speaker 1: been a revelation. I mean, how good has he been

614
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Speaker 1: this season? Ree's pitching a little better. I know, Minoa

615
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Speaker 1: just went on the il. The Blue Jay is kind

616
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Speaker 1: of a fun one to just throw some darts at.

617
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Speaker 1: Maybe at the end, if they can get hot, can

618
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Speaker 1: they add another starting pitcher or is it just down

619
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Speaker 1: to the favorites like the White Sox and the Astros,

620
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Speaker 1: Because I look at the White Sox, they get Lja

621
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Speaker 1: Menez back healthy and Robert back healthy. That you know

622
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Speaker 1: that staff of pitchers that to me is the toughest

623
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Speaker 1: out in the American League, incorting to a small series,

624
00:26:42,280 --> 00:26:43,800
Speaker 1: a short series with three arms. So what do you

625
00:26:43,800 --> 00:26:45,560
Speaker 1: think the American League winner is going to be.

626
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Speaker 2: Yeah, it's fun to talk about the Blue Jays, but

627
00:26:48,080 --> 00:26:50,119
Speaker 2: I think you're burning the money. You know, the other

628
00:26:50,200 --> 00:26:52,639
Speaker 2: night they lost what thirteen and nothing to Boston. You

629
00:26:52,640 --> 00:26:55,520
Speaker 2: don't win a World Series with like that. Like they're

630
00:26:55,560 --> 00:26:57,920
Speaker 2: pitching is just not good enough, and look, it may

631
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Speaker 2: be a different story next year, and hitting is something

632
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Speaker 2: that is sort of sustainable, where you could see all

633
00:27:04,200 --> 00:27:06,320
Speaker 2: of their guys that are hitting and having springer for

634
00:27:06,359 --> 00:27:08,040
Speaker 2: a full year. Next year, you could see the Blue

635
00:27:08,080 --> 00:27:10,800
Speaker 2: and the Blue Jays being home and being good like

636
00:27:10,880 --> 00:27:13,600
Speaker 2: all those things. I can see they do not have

637
00:27:13,880 --> 00:27:15,359
Speaker 2: enough this year. By the way, they do not have

638
00:27:15,640 --> 00:27:18,120
Speaker 2: enough in the back end of the bullpen too. So

639
00:27:18,560 --> 00:27:20,680
Speaker 2: I could see them being fun, making a run, great

640
00:27:20,720 --> 00:27:23,840
Speaker 2: to be in Canada, maybe making the postseason, maybe being

641
00:27:23,880 --> 00:27:27,040
Speaker 2: a wild card. But no, I do not see them

642
00:27:27,080 --> 00:27:29,520
Speaker 2: winning the World Series or even winning the American Link.

643
00:27:29,600 --> 00:27:32,639
Speaker 2: I think there are much better teams there, So I

644
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Speaker 2: guess my focus probably would be either on Houston in

645
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Speaker 2: the West or the White Sox in the Central. I

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Speaker 2: think it's fair to think that one of those two

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Speaker 2: teams will do it. Listen, I was completely wrong on Boston.

648
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Speaker 2: I didn't think they'd be anything near what they are.

649
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:51,080
Speaker 2: I still can't figure it out. They have no pitching whatsoever,

650
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Speaker 2: and yet they have one of the best records in baseball.

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Speaker 2: So shame on me for not knowing that.

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Speaker 1: One an think it's shame on you or I don't

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Speaker 1: think anybody could have expected what happens Boston this year.

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Speaker 1: And Nadia Valdi's been very good. Usually he's incredibly hittable,

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Speaker 1: and you've gotten some gutty performances from some of the

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Speaker 1: other pitchers. But I mean, who knows when they get

657
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Speaker 1: Chris saleback how good he could probably be. We'll see.

658
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Speaker 1: But that's an addition that, you know, Tommy John, these

659
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Speaker 1: guys come back and it's not velocity. It never goes well,

660
00:28:17,440 --> 00:28:20,000
Speaker 1: no it doesn't, but it's never velocity. When they all say, well,

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00:28:20,160 --> 00:28:22,360
Speaker 1: VLOSSI looks good, I'm like, well, that's fine, but what's

662
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Speaker 1: the feel for pitching? That to me is always the

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Speaker 1: big problem.

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Speaker 2: Yeah, well, the data from the last I saw the

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Speaker 2: other day. The data from the last five like solid

666
00:28:29,840 --> 00:28:32,159
Speaker 2: pitchers that came off Tommy John and came back in

667
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Speaker 2: the second half of the season, none of them were

668
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Speaker 2: good zero zip none like no good stats.

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Speaker 1: Every year people draft them in fantasy, going, oh, I'm

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00:28:39,560 --> 00:28:42,120
Speaker 1: gonna have this Ace comeback in July or August. It's

671
00:28:42,160 --> 00:28:44,600
Speaker 1: gonna be so huge, right, I don't know why people

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Speaker 1: do that. All right, So where do you go for

673
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Speaker 1: the champion? Right now? I know it's only the end

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00:28:50,600 --> 00:28:53,120
Speaker 1: of July. We still got to and change left in

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00:28:53,200 --> 00:28:55,960
Speaker 1: terms of months to play. I'm still feeling those White

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Speaker 1: Sox man. I just think that White Sox team's got

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00:28:58,360 --> 00:29:01,320
Speaker 1: a lot of pitching, a lot of allent, very deep

678
00:29:01,360 --> 00:29:04,040
Speaker 1: lineup when they're healthy, and they're getting healthier. And that's

679
00:29:04,040 --> 00:29:06,120
Speaker 1: another team too. That's staggering. Think about the injuries when

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00:29:06,120 --> 00:29:08,080
Speaker 1: you talk about the Mets injuries, how about the White

681
00:29:08,120 --> 00:29:10,640
Speaker 1: Sox injuries this year? The things that they've had to overcome,

682
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Speaker 1: and yet here they are just blowing away the competition

683
00:29:13,480 --> 00:29:15,600
Speaker 1: in that division. Who do you like? You like the

684
00:29:15,640 --> 00:29:18,400
Speaker 1: Dodgers plus three ninety, you got the Astros plus four

685
00:29:18,480 --> 00:29:20,520
Speaker 1: fifty to one at all, the White Sox for plus

686
00:29:20,560 --> 00:29:23,560
Speaker 1: seven fifty with that pitching, and then after that the Padres,

687
00:29:23,600 --> 00:29:25,960
Speaker 1: Mets and Red Sox. So right now, who do you

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00:29:25,960 --> 00:29:28,320
Speaker 1: think is the favorite? Is it the Dodgers after all?

689
00:29:28,440 --> 00:29:30,720
Speaker 1: Or do you think somebody else, like maybe the villainous

690
00:29:30,800 --> 00:29:33,840
Speaker 1: Houston Astros us against the world might be the better wager?

691
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Speaker 2: Yeah, boy, it's so boring to take the favorite. And

692
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Speaker 2: you know me, and you've known me long enough, and

693
00:29:39,320 --> 00:29:41,160
Speaker 2: you know me long enough not to take the favorite

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Speaker 2: it greates you.

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Speaker 1: I'm actually shocked you even went to the Dodge to

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Speaker 1: the National League.

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00:29:45,200 --> 00:29:47,880
Speaker 2: Yeah, I am so scared they're going to end up

698
00:29:47,920 --> 00:29:53,600
Speaker 2: with somebody really good next week. Yeah, I'm really you know,

699
00:29:53,720 --> 00:29:57,240
Speaker 2: it's just when you're when you're there and you've been

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Speaker 2: in the war and you've won the World Series and

701
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Speaker 2: then you got to the World Series and everyone expects

702
00:30:01,920 --> 00:30:04,440
Speaker 2: you to be there. You have that obligation, Joe, to

703
00:30:04,480 --> 00:30:08,760
Speaker 2: get better. And this is a team that does it.

704
00:30:08,960 --> 00:30:11,440
Speaker 2: Like they really look like almost the old Yankees to

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00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,080
Speaker 2: a degree, Joe like almost them. Like they go out

706
00:30:14,120 --> 00:30:16,400
Speaker 2: and they say, oh, you know, this may look like

707
00:30:16,440 --> 00:30:18,080
Speaker 2: it's enough, but no, let's just go ahead and get

708
00:30:18,120 --> 00:30:22,360
Speaker 2: the best player at some position. So what is the answer, Like,

709
00:30:22,600 --> 00:30:24,560
Speaker 2: who are they going to get? I don't know, and

710
00:30:24,880 --> 00:30:27,760
Speaker 2: I wish I could tell you, But your sure, there's

711
00:30:27,760 --> 00:30:29,360
Speaker 2: the thing that I brought up. I was just kidding.

712
00:30:29,400 --> 00:30:30,720
Speaker 2: By the way, I don't think he's gonna get traded.

713
00:30:30,720 --> 00:30:33,280
Speaker 2: I think he's gonna stay in Washington. But I feel

714
00:30:33,320 --> 00:30:37,200
Speaker 2: like LA will fortify and they'll add some major pieces

715
00:30:37,240 --> 00:30:39,880
Speaker 2: to their team, and I think they have a great

716
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Speaker 2: shot to win the World Series again. I just don't

717
00:30:42,080 --> 00:30:44,000
Speaker 2: like any team in the American League. The White Sox

718
00:30:44,080 --> 00:30:46,120
Speaker 2: are good. They could get there for sure, but to

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Speaker 2: win to win it all, I don't know. Also, the

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Speaker 2: other thing I want to say, you're totally right that

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00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:52,400
Speaker 2: the White Socks have overcome injuries, but and you follow

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Speaker 2: it every day, but like we could go through all

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Speaker 2: thirty teams, and yes, there are a lot of teams

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Speaker 2: that have not overcome injuries, but everybody has like five

725
00:31:00,280 --> 00:31:01,000
Speaker 2: or six injuries.

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Speaker 1: Sure, it's insane, but I look at they lost Magical

727
00:31:04,080 --> 00:31:06,200
Speaker 1: for the year, They lost to Lloyd before the season started.

728
00:31:06,200 --> 00:31:09,560
Speaker 1: They lose Robert right, you know as the season began. Uh,

729
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Speaker 1: and I Bray. You everyone's complaining about a Bray You

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Speaker 1: mean lot. You look at the numbers, it's still pretty

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00:31:13,560 --> 00:31:16,840
Speaker 1: darn good. He's still at the top they do. And

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Speaker 1: you look at that lineup some days and you go,

733
00:31:18,600 --> 00:31:20,840
Speaker 1: who are these guys that they're throwing out there? You know?

734
00:31:20,960 --> 00:31:24,720
Speaker 1: And they continue to just show up in the pitching matters.

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Speaker 1: I mean, in short series, you throw Gilito, Lynn Rodin Kikeel.

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Speaker 1: That's a pretty it.

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Speaker 2: Sounds good, it sounds good, but is it good enough

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Speaker 2: to beat l A. I'm not sure.

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Speaker 1: We shall find out, all right, last question for you,

740
00:31:36,280 --> 00:31:38,560
Speaker 1: then I'll let you go your gut instincts. Do we

741
00:31:38,600 --> 00:31:40,600
Speaker 1: see Trevor Bauer pitch again in twenty twenty one?

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Speaker 2: For the doctors, it's like a such a loaded question.

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00:31:42,800 --> 00:31:45,280
Speaker 2: It's like and by the way, this is And sometimes

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Speaker 2: I can tell you with information, and sometimes I can

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00:31:47,360 --> 00:31:49,800
Speaker 2: tell you that I'm guessing. But I would guess no,

746
00:31:50,240 --> 00:31:52,520
Speaker 2: I would guess no. I just I don't know enough

747
00:31:52,560 --> 00:31:55,600
Speaker 2: about the situation. All I'm doing is reading along with

748
00:31:55,600 --> 00:31:59,120
Speaker 2: with everybody else. But give given the nature of how

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Speaker 2: Major League Baseball has chosen to handle these sort of cases,

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00:32:02,200 --> 00:32:05,360
Speaker 2: which is basically, hey, we uh, you know, we're gonna

751
00:32:05,360 --> 00:32:07,560
Speaker 2: we're gonna shut this down. We're gonna figure out and

752
00:32:07,600 --> 00:32:09,840
Speaker 2: then we'll go ahead and delegate. Whether or not you

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00:32:09,960 --> 00:32:12,000
Speaker 2: agree with that, that's not up for me. But I

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00:32:12,040 --> 00:32:13,840
Speaker 2: do think that that's the way that Baseball is going

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00:32:13,880 --> 00:32:17,480
Speaker 2: to handle this thing. And no, I mean I just

756
00:32:17,520 --> 00:32:20,239
Speaker 2: don't think that. I just don't. I don't think so.

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00:32:20,680 --> 00:32:23,320
Speaker 2: But better indication will be next week, Joe, if they

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00:32:23,360 --> 00:32:24,880
Speaker 2: go ahead and get a big starting pitcher. What does

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00:32:24,880 --> 00:32:25,280
Speaker 2: that tell you?

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00:32:25,520 --> 00:32:28,040
Speaker 1: It tells me exactly the answer to that question. There

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Speaker 1: you have it. You can follow him on the Twitter

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00:32:29,520 --> 00:32:31,960
Speaker 1: machine at Craig Mish and of course check him out

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Speaker 1: every day on Sports Grid from twelve to see you

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Speaker 1: on Fantasy Sports Today of course covering the Marlins, and

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00:32:36,520 --> 00:32:39,160
Speaker 1: with me on Sunday mornings. Starting soon in a couple

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Speaker 1: of weeks, my goodness, it's gonna be Football Time Sports

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Speaker 1: Today Sunday edition with Matt Striker, myself and Craig Mish. Greig,

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Speaker 1: we appreciate your time as always. I know you're busy,

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Speaker 1: so get out to the ballpark. I know you always

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Speaker 1: got somewhere to be, so that'll do it for us.

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Speaker 1: But the story of the game goes on for Craig Mish,

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Speaker 1: I'm Joey P. We'll see you next time. Kids became