1 00:00:00,200 --> 00:00:11,440 Speaker 1: Yeah, I from let's just keep a real straight shot 2 00:00:11,440 --> 00:00:13,240 Speaker 1: with no Jason, I'm gonna get a little bit rougher. 3 00:00:15,040 --> 00:00:17,279 Speaker 1: I'm here for it. Those who really believe in the 4 00:00:17,320 --> 00:00:21,640 Speaker 1: American process, all of us Straight Shot No Chasing. What's 5 00:00:21,640 --> 00:00:25,000 Speaker 1: your girl? Teslam? Figure out on the Black Effect podcasting 6 00:00:25,000 --> 00:00:27,320 Speaker 1: that word that work? What's going on? Straight Shoot? Does 7 00:00:27,360 --> 00:00:29,440 Speaker 1: this is Tesla? Figure out your host of the straight 8 00:00:29,440 --> 00:00:34,120 Speaker 1: Shot No Chaser podcast. We are still covering the Derek 9 00:00:34,200 --> 00:00:39,479 Speaker 1: Shovin trial who murdered George Floyd. I last week I 10 00:00:39,520 --> 00:00:41,920 Speaker 1: hold you. I hope you had an opportunity to listen 11 00:00:41,960 --> 00:00:44,720 Speaker 1: to the last podcast with attorney Natalie Jackson Will We 12 00:00:44,800 --> 00:00:47,600 Speaker 1: discussed many of the things about the trial that I 13 00:00:47,680 --> 00:00:49,879 Speaker 1: think you need to know, as far as the charges, 14 00:00:50,280 --> 00:00:52,640 Speaker 1: the job that the prosecution is doing, the defense of 15 00:00:52,680 --> 00:00:55,200 Speaker 1: the whole thing. A lot of times right now in 16 00:00:55,240 --> 00:00:58,320 Speaker 1: the commentary space, you're only getting bits and pieces and 17 00:00:58,360 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 1: you're kind of forced to put these things together as 18 00:01:00,440 --> 00:01:02,960 Speaker 1: a puzzle to make it all makes sense. So I 19 00:01:03,120 --> 00:01:06,600 Speaker 1: wanted to make sure that we utilize this platform straight 20 00:01:06,600 --> 00:01:08,840 Speaker 1: Shot No Chase of podcast to really get into the 21 00:01:08,840 --> 00:01:14,160 Speaker 1: weez of things with my friend, well known renowned attorney 22 00:01:14,200 --> 00:01:18,200 Speaker 1: civil rights attorney Natalie Jackson, she's here again with me 23 00:01:18,280 --> 00:01:20,760 Speaker 1: to join me to talk more about the case, and 24 00:01:20,760 --> 00:01:22,560 Speaker 1: we're gonna get straight into it. I don't want to 25 00:01:22,600 --> 00:01:25,160 Speaker 1: hold us up any longer because there's so much information. 26 00:01:25,200 --> 00:01:27,200 Speaker 1: She's been watching the trial every day. I've been watching 27 00:01:27,200 --> 00:01:29,960 Speaker 1: the trial, You've been watching the trial. Let's get into it. 28 00:01:30,160 --> 00:01:32,720 Speaker 1: Thank you so much, Attorney Jackson for joining me again 29 00:01:33,360 --> 00:01:36,280 Speaker 1: for the special edition. Thanks for having me to ask them. 30 00:01:36,280 --> 00:01:38,759 Speaker 1: Excited to get into it again. All right, let's get 31 00:01:38,760 --> 00:01:42,280 Speaker 1: into it. So the last podcast we stopped on the charges. 32 00:01:42,319 --> 00:01:44,920 Speaker 1: You broke down all the different charges. What comes with 33 00:01:45,080 --> 00:01:48,880 Speaker 1: you know those charges? How those charges came about. Let's 34 00:01:48,920 --> 00:01:50,920 Speaker 1: get into one of the number one questions that I've 35 00:01:50,920 --> 00:01:53,320 Speaker 1: been getting on social media, A question that even I 36 00:01:53,400 --> 00:01:55,720 Speaker 1: had for you, that you had to educate me on 37 00:01:55,840 --> 00:01:58,800 Speaker 1: to make sure I had a complete, full understanding, which 38 00:01:58,840 --> 00:02:02,280 Speaker 1: is rule for oh full. People say, why is it 39 00:02:02,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 1: that Derek Shavin's past misconduct eighteen different complaints, some investigated, 40 00:02:09,440 --> 00:02:13,000 Speaker 1: some not, but eighteen different misconduct complaints over his nineteen 41 00:02:13,080 --> 00:02:17,280 Speaker 1: year career. Why is that not included in the trial. 42 00:02:17,440 --> 00:02:22,720 Speaker 1: Because what they see, Natalie is George Floyd's background being 43 00:02:22,720 --> 00:02:26,440 Speaker 1: discussed that the prosecution put that out immediately, which is 44 00:02:26,480 --> 00:02:28,200 Speaker 1: what they called take the sting out of it. They 45 00:02:28,240 --> 00:02:30,519 Speaker 1: put it out there immediately, and they say, why is 46 00:02:30,560 --> 00:02:33,440 Speaker 1: it that George Floyd's background is being discussed and why 47 00:02:33,480 --> 00:02:37,880 Speaker 1: not Chavin's record and not being discussed. Please explain to 48 00:02:37,880 --> 00:02:40,800 Speaker 1: the people what rule for H four is and why 49 00:02:40,840 --> 00:02:43,359 Speaker 1: it is so important even for us if we were 50 00:02:43,400 --> 00:02:46,920 Speaker 1: sitting at the defended table. Okay, So there's a federal 51 00:02:47,000 --> 00:02:50,040 Speaker 1: rule four or four. That's the federal rule. Each state 52 00:02:50,120 --> 00:02:52,600 Speaker 1: has a version of that rule. So Minnesota has a 53 00:02:52,720 --> 00:02:54,960 Speaker 1: version of that rule. Where I am in Florida, we 54 00:02:55,120 --> 00:02:56,800 Speaker 1: have a version of that rule, and it and it 55 00:02:56,800 --> 00:02:59,320 Speaker 1: pretty much reflects and it's the same as the federal 56 00:02:59,400 --> 00:03:03,720 Speaker 1: rule which says that you cannot bring in evidence that 57 00:03:03,760 --> 00:03:06,840 Speaker 1: shows that someone had to prevent propensity to do something, 58 00:03:07,080 --> 00:03:10,840 Speaker 1: so to call character evidence and admissible character evidence. Um. 59 00:03:11,040 --> 00:03:13,959 Speaker 1: And the reason we have that rule is because when 60 00:03:13,960 --> 00:03:17,040 Speaker 1: somebody's on trial, you're trying them for what they did, 61 00:03:17,200 --> 00:03:20,639 Speaker 1: not who they are. So that's one of the reasons 62 00:03:20,720 --> 00:03:22,200 Speaker 1: that we have that rule. So if you think about 63 00:03:22,200 --> 00:03:25,480 Speaker 1: it like that, now, when we talk about George Floyd, 64 00:03:26,080 --> 00:03:28,160 Speaker 1: the things that we have seen them talk about his 65 00:03:28,280 --> 00:03:30,839 Speaker 1: drug use. And the reason that they're able to talk 66 00:03:30,840 --> 00:03:33,360 Speaker 1: about that drug use is because the drug use has 67 00:03:33,400 --> 00:03:36,040 Speaker 1: become an issue in this trial as far as causation. 68 00:03:36,600 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 1: So you have to allow a defendant to be able 69 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:42,760 Speaker 1: to defend themselves on all the different things that could 70 00:03:42,800 --> 00:03:45,600 Speaker 1: have happened. This is the leeway that we give defendants 71 00:03:45,640 --> 00:03:48,360 Speaker 1: in the United States. And also you have to allow 72 00:03:48,400 --> 00:03:52,480 Speaker 1: a defendant to defend himself just on the charge, not 73 00:03:52,640 --> 00:03:55,360 Speaker 1: on the fact that he's a bad person, not on 74 00:03:55,440 --> 00:03:58,080 Speaker 1: the fact that he may have done stuff in the past. 75 00:03:58,560 --> 00:04:00,120 Speaker 1: And I know a lot of people are like, well, 76 00:04:00,200 --> 00:04:01,800 Speaker 1: dagn we need to have that. But as you and 77 00:04:01,840 --> 00:04:04,840 Speaker 1: I talked about, test, this works two ways. This is 78 00:04:04,880 --> 00:04:08,600 Speaker 1: a rule that I like. I like it because it 79 00:04:08,720 --> 00:04:11,640 Speaker 1: forces it forces you to only have to deal with 80 00:04:11,920 --> 00:04:14,920 Speaker 1: the charge that you have. If you think about you know, 81 00:04:15,560 --> 00:04:18,440 Speaker 1: people especially people that we may know, who may have 82 00:04:18,480 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 1: had issues with drugs in the past or all of that, 83 00:04:21,000 --> 00:04:24,359 Speaker 1: if they have a crime and that's allowed to be 84 00:04:24,400 --> 00:04:27,760 Speaker 1: brought up to be used against them. For a let's 85 00:04:27,800 --> 00:04:30,279 Speaker 1: say they shot left and they got you know, they 86 00:04:30,320 --> 00:04:33,000 Speaker 1: had drugs in the past, got caught with marijuana or 87 00:04:33,040 --> 00:04:36,280 Speaker 1: something it wouldn't be fair to allow them to say, oh, well, 88 00:04:36,320 --> 00:04:38,720 Speaker 1: you're you're a marijuana user or you're a drug user 89 00:04:39,000 --> 00:04:42,680 Speaker 1: in a shoplifting trial because people the jewelry might convict 90 00:04:42,720 --> 00:04:45,800 Speaker 1: them of being a bad person as opposed to what 91 00:04:45,839 --> 00:04:48,440 Speaker 1: they did. So let's pause there so that people can 92 00:04:48,520 --> 00:04:52,440 Speaker 1: understand it in the basic simplest terms. Some of Shavin's 93 00:04:52,520 --> 00:04:59,559 Speaker 1: misconduct has been ruled admissible. Some of his cases because 94 00:04:59,600 --> 00:05:03,039 Speaker 1: they were similar to what he did with George Floyd, 95 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:09,920 Speaker 1: has been ruled admissible. So admissible means the judge says, hey, 96 00:05:10,120 --> 00:05:12,680 Speaker 1: you know, I'll go ahead and let that in. It 97 00:05:12,800 --> 00:05:17,080 Speaker 1: Actually being admitted into evidence is if the prosecution or 98 00:05:17,120 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 1: the defense says, we want to admit this into evidence 99 00:05:20,680 --> 00:05:24,120 Speaker 1: to be considered for the jury to consider as a 100 00:05:24,160 --> 00:05:26,800 Speaker 1: part of the case. Some of his past conduct has 101 00:05:26,839 --> 00:05:30,680 Speaker 1: been ruled admissible at this stage where we are now, 102 00:05:30,960 --> 00:05:33,440 Speaker 1: which for those who don't know, we're recording on Tuesday, aprilt, 103 00:05:34,440 --> 00:05:38,120 Speaker 1: his past misconduct has not been admitted into court. Let's 104 00:05:38,160 --> 00:05:42,160 Speaker 1: just start just right there. The cases that have been admissible, 105 00:05:42,320 --> 00:05:46,080 Speaker 1: which means they were similar to this case. Why is 106 00:05:46,120 --> 00:05:49,479 Speaker 1: it that the prosecution, at least at this stage has 107 00:05:49,560 --> 00:05:53,479 Speaker 1: not admitted it into evidence because it does show not 108 00:05:53,600 --> 00:05:55,680 Speaker 1: that he's a bad person, but it shows that he 109 00:05:55,720 --> 00:05:58,440 Speaker 1: has done something similar to to what he did to 110 00:05:58,480 --> 00:06:01,040 Speaker 1: George Floyd. Why is it that the prosecution as not 111 00:06:01,440 --> 00:06:04,360 Speaker 1: at least would would you would append? Uh think your 112 00:06:04,400 --> 00:06:07,520 Speaker 1: opinion on why they have not admitted it into evidence 113 00:06:07,600 --> 00:06:10,000 Speaker 1: at this stage, Well, I think it's kept the spot. 114 00:06:10,080 --> 00:06:13,240 Speaker 1: So let me let's go back. So what there are 115 00:06:13,320 --> 00:06:16,599 Speaker 1: exceptions to all the rules in criminal law. So there's 116 00:06:16,600 --> 00:06:21,480 Speaker 1: a rule that says, um, it excludes evidence connecting a 117 00:06:21,600 --> 00:06:25,240 Speaker 1: defendant with other crimes except for the purpose of impeachment. 118 00:06:25,680 --> 00:06:27,880 Speaker 1: So that's the rule, right, So you can't bring any 119 00:06:27,880 --> 00:06:31,880 Speaker 1: evidence of other crimes, acts or wrongdoings except for impeachment. 120 00:06:32,320 --> 00:06:34,640 Speaker 1: That's the rule. Now wait, let's let's explain that in 121 00:06:34,720 --> 00:06:37,400 Speaker 1: Layment's terms. Now it because they're not understanding impeach your 122 00:06:37,400 --> 00:06:41,160 Speaker 1: main lying like translate that so the regular person understand 123 00:06:41,360 --> 00:06:44,000 Speaker 1: you can't bring it in unless we catch your ass Lyne. 124 00:06:44,240 --> 00:06:48,279 Speaker 1: That's basically what this is. Okay, I got displayed into 125 00:06:48,279 --> 00:06:50,400 Speaker 1: the people that where they understand. Okay, thank you for 126 00:06:50,480 --> 00:06:53,520 Speaker 1: saying that. That's exactly so, and and it has to 127 00:06:53,520 --> 00:06:56,320 Speaker 1: be the defendant line. So now you could imagine in 128 00:06:56,400 --> 00:06:59,280 Speaker 1: some cases the defendant doesn't take a stand right right. 129 00:06:59,720 --> 00:07:02,840 Speaker 1: So there are exceptions to this rule. And with every 130 00:07:02,920 --> 00:07:05,680 Speaker 1: rule in criminal law, there's exceptions. Are are any sort 131 00:07:05,680 --> 00:07:08,640 Speaker 1: of in civil law to there's exceptions to this evidence rules. 132 00:07:08,640 --> 00:07:13,040 Speaker 1: To these evidence rules. The exception is if you're bringing 133 00:07:13,160 --> 00:07:16,160 Speaker 1: in not to prove that they have a propensity to 134 00:07:16,200 --> 00:07:18,720 Speaker 1: do these type of crimes, but you're bringing in to 135 00:07:18,800 --> 00:07:22,720 Speaker 1: show that they have a modus operande. This is what 136 00:07:22,840 --> 00:07:26,000 Speaker 1: they do when they catch suspects. You know, they put 137 00:07:26,040 --> 00:07:28,880 Speaker 1: their knee on their neck and hold them down. This 138 00:07:28,960 --> 00:07:31,760 Speaker 1: is how they operate. This is there are you want 139 00:07:31,800 --> 00:07:34,480 Speaker 1: to talk about their intent that this is what they 140 00:07:34,600 --> 00:07:37,239 Speaker 1: meant to do, because they've done it over and over again. 141 00:07:37,520 --> 00:07:45,760 Speaker 1: It's moded opportunity, intent, preparation, plan, knowledge, identity, absent of mistakes. 142 00:07:46,080 --> 00:07:48,559 Speaker 1: Those are all the reasons that you're allowed to bring 143 00:07:49,080 --> 00:07:53,440 Speaker 1: character evidence in. So let me translate that for the hood, Okay, 144 00:07:53,520 --> 00:07:56,680 Speaker 1: because I want to make sure they following you. It's 145 00:07:56,720 --> 00:07:59,520 Speaker 1: an exception to rule. If we catch you lyne, it's 146 00:07:59,520 --> 00:08:01,400 Speaker 1: an except into the rule of what I say, if 147 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:04,520 Speaker 1: that's your get down, meaning if that's how we know 148 00:08:04,600 --> 00:08:06,200 Speaker 1: that's how you do. Let me just break because I 149 00:08:06,240 --> 00:08:07,720 Speaker 1: want the listeners to get this because you use a 150 00:08:07,720 --> 00:08:10,720 Speaker 1: whole lot of big words. I wanna make sure they followed. Well. 151 00:08:10,800 --> 00:08:13,160 Speaker 1: Let me say, that's why evidence really hard for people 152 00:08:13,120 --> 00:08:16,560 Speaker 1: that rtunately. These are the these are the instructors juries get. 153 00:08:16,680 --> 00:08:20,600 Speaker 1: That's why jury gets so confused. As you can imagine it. Absolutely, 154 00:08:20,680 --> 00:08:22,640 Speaker 1: I totally agree. But that's why we're here. We're gonna 155 00:08:22,640 --> 00:08:25,320 Speaker 1: do the translation. So if it was a man and 156 00:08:25,320 --> 00:08:27,560 Speaker 1: a woman in a situation, and I know you lie, 157 00:08:27,920 --> 00:08:30,120 Speaker 1: and I know you go do you every Tuesday? You 158 00:08:30,160 --> 00:08:32,480 Speaker 1: go lie, and you have this relationship with this woman, 159 00:08:32,640 --> 00:08:35,079 Speaker 1: and you do the same thing every single time, every 160 00:08:35,080 --> 00:08:37,520 Speaker 1: single time you get a woman, you meet her every Tuesday. 161 00:08:37,600 --> 00:08:40,599 Speaker 1: It's your pattern, it's your m O, it's your behavior. 162 00:08:40,880 --> 00:08:42,880 Speaker 1: You do it with intent of knowing I'm gonna meet 163 00:08:42,880 --> 00:08:44,720 Speaker 1: a woman and I'm gonna meet her on Tuesday. No 164 00:08:44,760 --> 00:08:47,199 Speaker 1: matter who that woman is, it doesn't matter. I'm always 165 00:08:47,240 --> 00:08:49,880 Speaker 1: gonna cheat what a woman on Tuesday at six o'clock 166 00:08:49,920 --> 00:08:52,839 Speaker 1: at this hotel. If I can prove that that is 167 00:08:52,880 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 1: what you mean when you say okay, now, that can 168 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:57,760 Speaker 1: be evidence because we can prove that this is something 169 00:08:57,800 --> 00:09:01,320 Speaker 1: you intended to do based upon your past behavior, and 170 00:09:01,400 --> 00:09:06,079 Speaker 1: now it is evidence you've done it many times before, right, 171 00:09:06,120 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 1: and it has to be very similar, very close to 172 00:09:09,360 --> 00:09:13,280 Speaker 1: exactly what that is correct you've done. And so the 173 00:09:13,400 --> 00:09:17,040 Speaker 1: two instances that the judge is allowing in the Shaving 174 00:09:17,080 --> 00:09:20,439 Speaker 1: case are similar to this. So one of the instances 175 00:09:20,679 --> 00:09:24,760 Speaker 1: is where he where he actually apprehended a suspect. He 176 00:09:24,840 --> 00:09:28,320 Speaker 1: put them down on the ground. The suspect could not breathe, 177 00:09:28,360 --> 00:09:30,520 Speaker 1: so he turned them over on his side and put 178 00:09:30,600 --> 00:09:33,080 Speaker 1: him in a position and show men got a medal 179 00:09:33,160 --> 00:09:36,720 Speaker 1: for that. So the reason that that's important for the 180 00:09:36,880 --> 00:09:39,839 Speaker 1: prosecution and why they want that and to show that Schovin, no, 181 00:09:39,960 --> 00:09:42,280 Speaker 1: you're supposed to put people on their side and not 182 00:09:42,520 --> 00:09:45,440 Speaker 1: keep them face down, because he actually got a medal 183 00:09:45,520 --> 00:09:48,160 Speaker 1: for it, you know, for the way that he apprehended 184 00:09:48,160 --> 00:09:51,040 Speaker 1: this person. So the other one that he has is 185 00:09:51,080 --> 00:09:55,440 Speaker 1: a young lady that he arrested, he detained, he put 186 00:09:55,480 --> 00:09:58,280 Speaker 1: his knee on her neck, she couldn't breathe um and 187 00:09:58,320 --> 00:10:02,360 Speaker 1: she made a complaint about it. So that is that 188 00:10:02,400 --> 00:10:05,280 Speaker 1: goes into show that he this is how he does 189 00:10:05,320 --> 00:10:08,120 Speaker 1: his arrest. This is how he restrains people. She says 190 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,160 Speaker 1: that she was not resisting and this and she said, 191 00:10:11,200 --> 00:10:15,160 Speaker 1: this is what he did. So that's how he restrains people. 192 00:10:16,360 --> 00:10:19,719 Speaker 1: And now what's important in this is that no one 193 00:10:19,800 --> 00:10:21,920 Speaker 1: is neither one of those he was criminally charged for. 194 00:10:22,040 --> 00:10:24,760 Speaker 1: These are not criminal acts. It is asked of wrongdoing, 195 00:10:25,080 --> 00:10:28,720 Speaker 1: so it can be a crime or an act of wrongdoing. Okay, 196 00:10:28,760 --> 00:10:31,679 Speaker 1: that's very important to say. Okay, So with that said, 197 00:10:32,280 --> 00:10:37,280 Speaker 1: those two instances have been considered admissible, meaning the judge says, hey, 198 00:10:37,360 --> 00:10:38,840 Speaker 1: if you want to bring it up, you can bring 199 00:10:38,920 --> 00:10:42,560 Speaker 1: up these two things, and wanted to bring up six things. 200 00:10:42,800 --> 00:10:45,520 Speaker 1: The judge only allowed them too, because he felt those 201 00:10:45,520 --> 00:10:49,120 Speaker 1: two were similar to what happened to George Floyd. So, 202 00:10:49,200 --> 00:10:52,280 Speaker 1: in your opinion, why is it that the prosecutor has 203 00:10:52,360 --> 00:10:55,720 Speaker 1: not admitted that into evidence at this stage. It doesn't 204 00:10:55,840 --> 00:10:58,240 Speaker 1: I don't believe that it fits into their case right now. 205 00:10:58,320 --> 00:11:01,839 Speaker 1: Their case was clearly on the use of force. That 206 00:11:01,960 --> 00:11:05,320 Speaker 1: was their case was about George Floyd. So when I 207 00:11:05,360 --> 00:11:06,960 Speaker 1: am doing and I wouldn't put it in at this 208 00:11:07,000 --> 00:11:10,320 Speaker 1: point either. So when I'm doing a case, you want 209 00:11:10,320 --> 00:11:14,559 Speaker 1: to prove your case with the exact facts that are 210 00:11:14,600 --> 00:11:19,760 Speaker 1: happening in the court. So now obviously you're saving that too. 211 00:11:20,000 --> 00:11:22,839 Speaker 1: Let Derek show him get on the stand and try 212 00:11:22,880 --> 00:11:26,680 Speaker 1: to defend himself, because then we're bringing that up. We're gonna, 213 00:11:26,760 --> 00:11:29,400 Speaker 1: you know, we're we're opening all the guns. So another 214 00:11:29,440 --> 00:11:31,240 Speaker 1: part of it, and I haven't done criminal with a 215 00:11:31,240 --> 00:11:33,760 Speaker 1: long time, but I do have a lot of criminal 216 00:11:33,920 --> 00:11:36,960 Speaker 1: attorney friends. Another part of it, it's like, listen, you're 217 00:11:37,040 --> 00:11:40,200 Speaker 1: daring them to take the stand, like take you know, 218 00:11:40,360 --> 00:11:43,160 Speaker 1: take the stand and justify what you did, you know, 219 00:11:43,320 --> 00:11:46,240 Speaker 1: because we're gonna show everybody who you are and how 220 00:11:46,320 --> 00:11:49,479 Speaker 1: you think, how you get down. But for a prosecution, 221 00:11:49,520 --> 00:11:52,119 Speaker 1: and I think it's really important that your audience understands 222 00:11:52,320 --> 00:11:56,199 Speaker 1: prosecutors have a different different they have a different level 223 00:11:56,200 --> 00:12:00,439 Speaker 1: of ethics than defense attorney. Still, so prosecutors represent the 224 00:12:00,480 --> 00:12:03,960 Speaker 1: state of Florida. They don't represent a person, So they're 225 00:12:03,960 --> 00:12:07,280 Speaker 1: not representing They're not representing George Floyd and his family. 226 00:12:07,679 --> 00:12:12,080 Speaker 1: They are representing the state of Minnesota. And in doing that, 227 00:12:12,080 --> 00:12:15,440 Speaker 1: that means that they have an obligation to bringing out 228 00:12:15,520 --> 00:12:18,640 Speaker 1: all the evidence. They can't hide evidence to make their 229 00:12:18,640 --> 00:12:22,400 Speaker 1: case better. They can't not disclose something to the jury 230 00:12:22,440 --> 00:12:26,000 Speaker 1: that might help Chauvin. Where Chauvin's attorney doesn't have that 231 00:12:26,080 --> 00:12:29,360 Speaker 1: obligation to have to disclose. That's why he cannot testify. 232 00:12:29,640 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 1: He don't have to tell anything. They can plead the 233 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:34,200 Speaker 1: fifth he can do whatever. You know, they don't have 234 00:12:34,240 --> 00:12:37,520 Speaker 1: that ought the same obligation that a prosecutor has. So 235 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:40,480 Speaker 1: that's why we have Prosecutors really have to play by 236 00:12:40,480 --> 00:12:43,199 Speaker 1: the rules. Okay, So so let me because I want 237 00:12:43,240 --> 00:12:45,240 Speaker 1: to make sure because the person hearing that might hear 238 00:12:45,280 --> 00:12:47,560 Speaker 1: that is okay. If they're bringing out all the evidence, 239 00:12:47,640 --> 00:12:49,960 Speaker 1: why didn't they talk about this? But what you're saying 240 00:12:50,080 --> 00:12:52,840 Speaker 1: is they presented it to the judge and and pardon 241 00:12:52,920 --> 00:12:54,520 Speaker 1: me for interrupting you, but I want to break down 242 00:12:54,520 --> 00:12:57,079 Speaker 1: each part because I know how folks can get lost. 243 00:12:57,320 --> 00:13:00,480 Speaker 1: What you're saying is they presented the evidence saying, Judge, 244 00:13:00,559 --> 00:13:02,400 Speaker 1: we have this, we need you to rule on it. 245 00:13:02,400 --> 00:13:05,080 Speaker 1: It doesn't necessarily mean that they will admit it. But 246 00:13:05,160 --> 00:13:08,160 Speaker 1: they did have to include it to be considered to 247 00:13:08,240 --> 00:13:11,600 Speaker 1: be admissible because of their ethics. Correct. But that doesn't 248 00:13:11,640 --> 00:13:14,040 Speaker 1: necessarily mean that they wanted me. Is that what you're saying, No, 249 00:13:14,200 --> 00:13:16,280 Speaker 1: they don't have to bring it to the jury. They 250 00:13:17,160 --> 00:13:19,200 Speaker 1: I mean, I'm sorry to judge, they have to disclose 251 00:13:19,240 --> 00:13:22,760 Speaker 1: it to the defendant. So they can't hide anything from 252 00:13:22,760 --> 00:13:25,200 Speaker 1: a defendant of what they what they're going to bring, 253 00:13:25,240 --> 00:13:27,440 Speaker 1: what evidence they're gonna bring. Now they have a right 254 00:13:27,520 --> 00:13:29,920 Speaker 1: to you know, they don't have to call every witness 255 00:13:29,920 --> 00:13:32,240 Speaker 1: in their case. They don't have to, you know, they 256 00:13:32,240 --> 00:13:34,320 Speaker 1: don't have to put on everything if they don't feel 257 00:13:34,320 --> 00:13:39,200 Speaker 1: that it is they can't hide important and stuff. But 258 00:13:39,240 --> 00:13:41,960 Speaker 1: if they just feel it's cumeelative, like they're just people 259 00:13:41,960 --> 00:13:44,000 Speaker 1: are gonna say it's anything over and over or someone 260 00:13:44,040 --> 00:13:46,800 Speaker 1: really didn't see anything. Somebody was there but they were 261 00:13:46,960 --> 00:13:49,360 Speaker 1: you know, looking the other way or walking off and talking. 262 00:13:49,400 --> 00:13:51,400 Speaker 1: And they don't have to call everybody in that case. 263 00:13:51,600 --> 00:13:53,440 Speaker 1: They don't have to put on all the waden. They 264 00:13:53,480 --> 00:13:56,040 Speaker 1: can make their case as cohesive and as tight as 265 00:13:56,080 --> 00:13:58,880 Speaker 1: can be. But they do have an obligation one to 266 00:13:59,040 --> 00:14:02,360 Speaker 1: disclose everything that they know to the defendant. So there 267 00:14:02,360 --> 00:14:05,600 Speaker 1: are no surprises here. They haven't surprised the defendant new 268 00:14:05,679 --> 00:14:08,000 Speaker 1: everybody is gonna call to all the evidence that they 269 00:14:08,000 --> 00:14:11,680 Speaker 1: were going to introduce um they also but they didn't 270 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,120 Speaker 1: know the order that they would introduce it or how 271 00:14:14,160 --> 00:14:17,560 Speaker 1: they would introduce it. Okay, But the reason why Paul's 272 00:14:17,640 --> 00:14:19,600 Speaker 1: there is because then I'm just gonna reiterate again. So 273 00:14:19,640 --> 00:14:22,480 Speaker 1: people make sure they follow the conversation is because when 274 00:14:22,480 --> 00:14:25,520 Speaker 1: you say they have to bring all the evidence, I 275 00:14:25,560 --> 00:14:27,920 Speaker 1: didn't want the listener to hear. I understood what you said, 276 00:14:27,920 --> 00:14:29,920 Speaker 1: but I didn't want them to hear. But why didn't 277 00:14:29,960 --> 00:14:34,920 Speaker 1: they bring up you know, these two occurrences in court, 278 00:14:35,000 --> 00:14:37,480 Speaker 1: you know, for the jury, and you're saying they have 279 00:14:37,640 --> 00:14:40,520 Speaker 1: to explain make sure the defendant knows. But it is 280 00:14:40,520 --> 00:14:44,280 Speaker 1: still their prerogative on if they want to actually you know, 281 00:14:44,360 --> 00:14:47,440 Speaker 1: included in their case, right, and they can't hide the 282 00:14:47,440 --> 00:14:49,960 Speaker 1: ball from the jury, So they can't like you know, 283 00:14:50,240 --> 00:14:54,120 Speaker 1: they don't they can't omit stuff that is important. They 284 00:14:54,120 --> 00:14:58,880 Speaker 1: have an ethical obligation to bring the truth, where the 285 00:14:58,960 --> 00:15:02,720 Speaker 1: defense has an ethic obligation to defend their clients. Okay, 286 00:15:02,760 --> 00:15:07,040 Speaker 1: So to the list So the listeners saying, okay, this 287 00:15:07,160 --> 00:15:11,480 Speaker 1: is important. And this is where the legal and the 288 00:15:11,520 --> 00:15:17,240 Speaker 1: community's needs and desires sometimes conflict, if you will, because 289 00:15:17,280 --> 00:15:23,160 Speaker 1: the community is wanting the world to know and everyone 290 00:15:23,240 --> 00:15:26,960 Speaker 1: to know that hey, Shavin has done this before. That's 291 00:15:26,960 --> 00:15:29,360 Speaker 1: why everybody's like, what about his background? What a back background. 292 00:15:29,400 --> 00:15:31,960 Speaker 1: So the community is like, let the jury know, because 293 00:15:32,200 --> 00:15:34,920 Speaker 1: in especially when you talk about the black community, we 294 00:15:35,040 --> 00:15:38,720 Speaker 1: feel when we're in the courtroom, the whole kinches sink 295 00:15:38,840 --> 00:15:42,640 Speaker 1: is thrown at us. And so our mindset is, well, 296 00:15:42,640 --> 00:15:45,280 Speaker 1: why are you holding this and just waiting on the 297 00:15:45,280 --> 00:15:48,360 Speaker 1: opportunity to do it instead of putting it all on 298 00:15:48,440 --> 00:15:52,080 Speaker 1: the table. Throw the whole kitchen sink, leave no room, 299 00:15:52,320 --> 00:15:56,400 Speaker 1: no room whatsoever, to know that this is this guy's pattern, 300 00:15:56,680 --> 00:15:59,440 Speaker 1: this is what he does. He should go to jail. 301 00:15:59,680 --> 00:16:03,280 Speaker 1: Because it's coming from a community that doesn't have faith 302 00:16:03,360 --> 00:16:06,080 Speaker 1: in the judicial system. And so I can say for 303 00:16:06,160 --> 00:16:09,520 Speaker 1: sure that if and I understand where you're what you're 304 00:16:09,520 --> 00:16:11,760 Speaker 1: saying from a legal standpoint, you know, and how they're 305 00:16:11,760 --> 00:16:15,440 Speaker 1: building their case, but from the community standpoint, if he's acquitted, 306 00:16:16,080 --> 00:16:18,080 Speaker 1: the first thing people are going to say is they 307 00:16:18,120 --> 00:16:20,040 Speaker 1: should have told him how he's always done this, Even 308 00:16:20,040 --> 00:16:22,680 Speaker 1: if they're wrong, that's just because I think there's a 309 00:16:22,800 --> 00:16:25,880 Speaker 1: need for the community for people to know, see, we 310 00:16:26,000 --> 00:16:28,320 Speaker 1: told you, we know these are the things that we've 311 00:16:28,320 --> 00:16:30,040 Speaker 1: been telling you about, which is why the video is 312 00:16:30,040 --> 00:16:32,320 Speaker 1: so powerful because it shows this is what we've been 313 00:16:32,360 --> 00:16:35,640 Speaker 1: talking about, so so speak to that. Here's the reason 314 00:16:35,720 --> 00:16:38,560 Speaker 1: that said, let me tell you the reason that I 315 00:16:38,560 --> 00:16:40,480 Speaker 1: would not put it in. Now I'm just guessing what 316 00:16:40,560 --> 00:16:42,680 Speaker 1: the prosecution is doing because I have no insight on 317 00:16:42,760 --> 00:16:45,640 Speaker 1: their strategy either. This is why you hire a lawyer 318 00:16:45,680 --> 00:16:48,040 Speaker 1: for their strategy. But the reason that I would not 319 00:16:48,120 --> 00:16:50,200 Speaker 1: put it in, and the reason I believe that they 320 00:16:50,200 --> 00:16:53,760 Speaker 1: have not put it in, is because Shelvin was He 321 00:16:53,880 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 1: was donerated every time someone made a complaint. So that 322 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,360 Speaker 1: says that his police course, it was a part of 323 00:17:01,440 --> 00:17:05,119 Speaker 1: day said their policy was okay with that basically. So 324 00:17:05,320 --> 00:17:07,639 Speaker 1: now you're talking about do you want showman to be 325 00:17:07,680 --> 00:17:10,119 Speaker 1: convicted or do you want him to be able to 326 00:17:10,160 --> 00:17:14,840 Speaker 1: say this is how I'm trained. Paul's right there, sister, 327 00:17:14,880 --> 00:17:17,439 Speaker 1: because that is it. That's what I've been trying to 328 00:17:17,480 --> 00:17:19,960 Speaker 1: get so that this dot can connect, because I don't 329 00:17:19,960 --> 00:17:22,199 Speaker 1: even think we talked about that before. That is it, 330 00:17:22,359 --> 00:17:24,640 Speaker 1: right there? Even though the trainer said we didn't train 331 00:17:24,720 --> 00:17:29,919 Speaker 1: him to do this, We didn't train him to do this, right, 332 00:17:31,080 --> 00:17:34,600 Speaker 1: that's right. So it leaves the it lets him think. 333 00:17:35,200 --> 00:17:37,639 Speaker 1: Let's just break down the simple terms. If I'm a 334 00:17:37,760 --> 00:17:39,840 Speaker 1: kid and I continue to take a dollar at my 335 00:17:39,880 --> 00:17:44,040 Speaker 1: mom's pocket every single day, and you catch me, and 336 00:17:44,119 --> 00:17:46,639 Speaker 1: there's no punishment for it, even though I know I 337 00:17:46,640 --> 00:17:48,720 Speaker 1: didn't teach you to take from me, but I don't. 338 00:17:48,760 --> 00:17:51,000 Speaker 1: There's no punishment for you're taking out the dollar and 339 00:17:51,040 --> 00:17:53,360 Speaker 1: the kids might old it must be fine because there 340 00:17:53,400 --> 00:17:55,680 Speaker 1: was never a punishment for it. And that is where 341 00:17:55,680 --> 00:17:58,560 Speaker 1: it backfires, is what you're where it could backfire, possibly 342 00:17:58,640 --> 00:18:01,480 Speaker 1: to say no, he was trained because he's done this 343 00:18:01,560 --> 00:18:06,520 Speaker 1: before and he was or hey, he just had a 344 00:18:06,560 --> 00:18:08,720 Speaker 1: bad day because he does know to turn the person 345 00:18:08,760 --> 00:18:10,919 Speaker 1: over on their side. Maybe he didn't feel like he 346 00:18:10,960 --> 00:18:13,080 Speaker 1: could turn George on the side because maybe he thought 347 00:18:13,080 --> 00:18:15,000 Speaker 1: he would have resist more and so on and so forth. 348 00:18:15,240 --> 00:18:17,840 Speaker 1: So what you're saying that is the key. And I know, 349 00:18:18,040 --> 00:18:20,080 Speaker 1: I know, damn well, nobody's talking about that on social 350 00:18:20,119 --> 00:18:22,000 Speaker 1: media the way you just broke that down, because that 351 00:18:22,119 --> 00:18:25,040 Speaker 1: is really what people need to hear, because this outcry 352 00:18:25,119 --> 00:18:27,680 Speaker 1: from the community is and I and I just got 353 00:18:27,680 --> 00:18:30,160 Speaker 1: off the phone my friend a moment ago and he said, 354 00:18:30,200 --> 00:18:33,280 Speaker 1: you know, I'm not watching the case because I'm triggered 355 00:18:33,320 --> 00:18:35,240 Speaker 1: by it. And I hear this a lot. You know, 356 00:18:35,280 --> 00:18:37,119 Speaker 1: I can't watch it. I can't stand to watch it. 357 00:18:37,119 --> 00:18:39,399 Speaker 1: And I'm saying, but this is where we go wrong, 358 00:18:39,440 --> 00:18:44,800 Speaker 1: because if we're not educating ourselves on the process, if 359 00:18:44,840 --> 00:18:48,240 Speaker 1: we're not educating ourselves on how to be good jurors, 360 00:18:48,240 --> 00:18:51,119 Speaker 1: if we're called how to be good witnesses, how to 361 00:18:51,600 --> 00:18:53,600 Speaker 1: you know, what to look for, what a fair trial 362 00:18:53,960 --> 00:18:57,280 Speaker 1: looks like, then we're really, really in trouble. And that's 363 00:18:57,280 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 1: why again, I'm so glad you brought us to my 364 00:18:59,160 --> 00:19:01,800 Speaker 1: attention when we had this conversation offline. And I tell 365 00:19:01,840 --> 00:19:04,080 Speaker 1: folks this all the time, even with the Me too movement, 366 00:19:04,760 --> 00:19:07,600 Speaker 1: we can never advocate against a fair trial. You know, 367 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:09,960 Speaker 1: I hear people saying this trial should be over with. 368 00:19:10,240 --> 00:19:12,800 Speaker 1: We got the tape, we got to this, why are 369 00:19:12,840 --> 00:19:14,920 Speaker 1: they not moving forward? And I said, think about who's 370 00:19:14,960 --> 00:19:17,960 Speaker 1: at the defended table most times black people? Why not 371 00:19:18,080 --> 00:19:20,680 Speaker 1: because black people commit the most crimes, but because we're 372 00:19:20,760 --> 00:19:23,520 Speaker 1: charged the most, were rested, the most, were convicted the most. 373 00:19:23,800 --> 00:19:26,840 Speaker 1: So because of that, we and I'm not even saying 374 00:19:26,920 --> 00:19:28,639 Speaker 1: that by giving shop and a fair trial, all of 375 00:19:28,680 --> 00:19:30,439 Speaker 1: a sudden, everybody's gonna get a fair trial. Those are 376 00:19:30,440 --> 00:19:32,920 Speaker 1: two different things. But what I'm saying is we must 377 00:19:33,000 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 1: always advocate for due process because when we advocate for 378 00:19:36,560 --> 00:19:39,240 Speaker 1: due process, it is also advocating for us to receive 379 00:19:39,320 --> 00:19:42,080 Speaker 1: due process. And we can't just go by My friend 380 00:19:42,119 --> 00:19:43,679 Speaker 1: I really pointed out. I said, we can't just go 381 00:19:43,720 --> 00:19:45,760 Speaker 1: by the tape. And I'm gonna let you spind them 382 00:19:45,800 --> 00:19:49,760 Speaker 1: finished this statement. I said, there's right now, there's a series, 383 00:19:49,760 --> 00:19:52,720 Speaker 1: I believe it's on Netflix, the Innocent Files, and they 384 00:19:52,760 --> 00:19:56,320 Speaker 1: have a whole series talking about face recognition or you know, 385 00:19:56,400 --> 00:19:59,360 Speaker 1: misidentifying people. You know, from being able to say, hey, 386 00:19:59,359 --> 00:20:01,720 Speaker 1: that was the person did the crime and people that 387 00:20:01,840 --> 00:20:04,600 Speaker 1: did time, they've been able to show how people have 388 00:20:04,840 --> 00:20:08,520 Speaker 1: misidentified people and always went with what she said, that's 389 00:20:08,520 --> 00:20:10,119 Speaker 1: who did it. So as long as she said it, 390 00:20:10,440 --> 00:20:12,399 Speaker 1: that's fine, even if you have an alibi, even if 391 00:20:12,400 --> 00:20:16,400 Speaker 1: it's something and that has systematically because it's the white 392 00:20:16,400 --> 00:20:21,080 Speaker 1: woman understands saying the black guy did it, institutional racism 393 00:20:21,080 --> 00:20:23,080 Speaker 1: biases that we may not even be aware of. They 394 00:20:23,080 --> 00:20:25,320 Speaker 1: broke it down net lete even show how if you're 395 00:20:25,359 --> 00:20:28,200 Speaker 1: not familiar with another culture, you can't tell the difference 396 00:20:28,200 --> 00:20:31,160 Speaker 1: between that black person and this black person in different 397 00:20:31,160 --> 00:20:32,879 Speaker 1: features and how to recognize that. And they say we 398 00:20:32,920 --> 00:20:34,840 Speaker 1: all do it. Black people do it, White people do it. 399 00:20:35,000 --> 00:20:38,080 Speaker 1: Asian community does it, where we don't recognize the differences 400 00:20:38,080 --> 00:20:40,520 Speaker 1: in our feature features. And they were able to show 401 00:20:40,840 --> 00:20:44,280 Speaker 1: which innocent project as a part of that. How so 402 00:20:44,359 --> 00:20:47,640 Speaker 1: many people have done time based upon somebody's word. So 403 00:20:48,119 --> 00:20:50,679 Speaker 1: when we say, even though we saw the tape and 404 00:20:50,720 --> 00:20:53,639 Speaker 1: we know what we saw, it is still important to 405 00:20:53,760 --> 00:20:57,760 Speaker 1: have due process to go through the entire trial, because 406 00:20:57,840 --> 00:21:01,560 Speaker 1: if we advocate against that, then we are hurting ourselves, 407 00:21:02,040 --> 00:21:04,439 Speaker 1: right and and so I have one percent agree with you, 408 00:21:04,520 --> 00:21:07,400 Speaker 1: and you know that for me, you know, it's always 409 00:21:07,480 --> 00:21:11,040 Speaker 1: kind of a double edged sword because for us, we 410 00:21:11,200 --> 00:21:13,600 Speaker 1: normally don't. We normally don't get a trial like this. 411 00:21:13,840 --> 00:21:15,959 Speaker 1: You're not gonna get a trial with thirty eight witness 412 00:21:16,000 --> 00:21:19,280 Speaker 1: is on the prosecution. You know, our thirty eight witness 413 00:21:19,359 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 1: is one of defense and a multimillion dollar you know, 414 00:21:22,080 --> 00:21:25,160 Speaker 1: all these experts and stuff like this. This trial is extraordinary. 415 00:21:25,560 --> 00:21:28,680 Speaker 1: I have never seen a police prosecution case like this. 416 00:21:29,119 --> 00:21:32,400 Speaker 1: And I really give Jerry Blackwell credit for that, because 417 00:21:32,680 --> 00:21:35,520 Speaker 1: Jared black Well did say, I feel like Jeremy black 418 00:21:35,560 --> 00:21:39,200 Speaker 1: Well is trying to give black people and George Floyd's 419 00:21:39,240 --> 00:21:42,760 Speaker 1: family the trial they deserve. That's what I that's what 420 00:21:42,840 --> 00:21:46,840 Speaker 1: I have seen with this trial because with all these 421 00:21:46,880 --> 00:21:49,919 Speaker 1: experts that he put on, all these doctors, you know, 422 00:21:50,040 --> 00:21:52,960 Speaker 1: he went through every police officer that was there. And 423 00:21:52,960 --> 00:21:56,080 Speaker 1: when you know, we don't usually get this. You might 424 00:21:56,119 --> 00:21:58,359 Speaker 1: get one or two police officers that wrote the report. 425 00:21:58,680 --> 00:22:02,000 Speaker 1: You might get you know, the one expert that is 426 00:22:02,080 --> 00:22:05,720 Speaker 1: using somebody who worked for the city anyway or whatever. 427 00:22:06,080 --> 00:22:08,720 Speaker 1: You're not gonna get this quality of trial. These are 428 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:10,600 Speaker 1: This is the quality of trial we see in civil 429 00:22:10,640 --> 00:22:12,880 Speaker 1: trials when we're talking about money. This is the kind 430 00:22:12,880 --> 00:22:15,719 Speaker 1: of stuff we do. You you don't usually see it 431 00:22:15,760 --> 00:22:19,120 Speaker 1: in criminal trials. Do you think that's mis gonna mislead people, 432 00:22:19,119 --> 00:22:22,240 Speaker 1: because that's one of my concerns that after this, people 433 00:22:22,800 --> 00:22:26,320 Speaker 1: will leave with the impression that this is how it always. 434 00:22:26,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 1: I've been talking about it every time I get on TV, like, understand, 435 00:22:29,000 --> 00:22:31,320 Speaker 1: this is very different. It's not always like this. We 436 00:22:31,359 --> 00:22:34,120 Speaker 1: need to be paying attention. Do you think this will 437 00:22:34,119 --> 00:22:37,760 Speaker 1: move us forward with more understanding on how the law 438 00:22:37,840 --> 00:22:40,600 Speaker 1: works or will we even have even more education to 439 00:22:40,640 --> 00:22:43,479 Speaker 1: do because we'll have this type of expectation. So why 440 00:22:43,560 --> 00:22:46,000 Speaker 1: you were saying about you know, everybody deserves the pricess. 441 00:22:46,080 --> 00:22:48,680 Speaker 1: This is one thing. The laws in America as far 442 00:22:48,720 --> 00:22:51,920 Speaker 1: as how trials work and how some that's not broken, 443 00:22:52,400 --> 00:22:55,600 Speaker 1: those are good laws, those are good rules. It is 444 00:22:55,840 --> 00:23:02,040 Speaker 1: systemic racism is the the built in culture of it 445 00:23:02,560 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 1: and the build you know, people bringing their biases and 446 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:07,359 Speaker 1: all of that stuff in it. But when you really 447 00:23:07,400 --> 00:23:09,560 Speaker 1: look at it, you know that every we'd rather have 448 00:23:09,760 --> 00:23:12,280 Speaker 1: a hundred million go free then one man get one 449 00:23:12,320 --> 00:23:16,000 Speaker 1: innocent man be convicted. That's really what America is based 450 00:23:16,000 --> 00:23:18,480 Speaker 1: on in their laws. There are some things that are 451 00:23:18,480 --> 00:23:21,199 Speaker 1: in there that are systemic. There are some rules that 452 00:23:21,280 --> 00:23:25,199 Speaker 1: are systemic and it racist. But on the whole, we 453 00:23:25,359 --> 00:23:29,720 Speaker 1: do have a very good system. So I think that 454 00:23:29,760 --> 00:23:33,400 Speaker 1: you know, what we have to have is the judges, 455 00:23:33,440 --> 00:23:36,720 Speaker 1: the prosecutors, the police. They are part of that system 456 00:23:37,280 --> 00:23:40,280 Speaker 1: and so that's when you get the systemic, systemic racism 457 00:23:40,320 --> 00:23:42,680 Speaker 1: coming in the way that they are taught. You heard 458 00:23:42,760 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 1: this expert today who was the defense you supports expert 459 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 1: talk and you know, someone said he's lying. I said, no, 460 00:23:49,720 --> 00:23:53,520 Speaker 1: he's not lying. That's what he believes. He really does believe. 461 00:23:53,600 --> 00:23:57,880 Speaker 1: That's how you treat suspects. So you know, it's wrong, 462 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,199 Speaker 1: and it is it is totally by is against for 463 00:24:01,359 --> 00:24:04,199 Speaker 1: against a certain people. But he said that he was 464 00:24:04,240 --> 00:24:06,000 Speaker 1: a cop for twenty two years, and I believe he 465 00:24:06,040 --> 00:24:08,480 Speaker 1: operated that way for twenty two years out on the 466 00:24:08,520 --> 00:24:11,520 Speaker 1: street and treated people that way for twenty two years, 467 00:24:11,560 --> 00:24:14,960 Speaker 1: and he trained people, which goes to ship which goes 468 00:24:15,000 --> 00:24:17,440 Speaker 1: to the argument when we say we need more training, 469 00:24:17,480 --> 00:24:20,240 Speaker 1: when we need more training, it's not always just more training. 470 00:24:20,480 --> 00:24:23,119 Speaker 1: Because if that's right, and we talked about that on 471 00:24:23,160 --> 00:24:25,919 Speaker 1: the last part, and we talked about that before this 472 00:24:26,000 --> 00:24:28,320 Speaker 1: guy got up, which proves that we were absolutely right 473 00:24:28,359 --> 00:24:32,000 Speaker 1: on the last podcast, which is it's not always about training, 474 00:24:32,200 --> 00:24:34,399 Speaker 1: because that just made spending more money for guys like 475 00:24:34,480 --> 00:24:39,840 Speaker 1: him to misinform or that's right or in his area. 476 00:24:39,920 --> 00:24:41,480 Speaker 1: I guess the training that he had, which was not 477 00:24:41,520 --> 00:24:45,480 Speaker 1: in Minnesota, they did teach, you know, the prom position, 478 00:24:46,160 --> 00:24:50,720 Speaker 1: but Derek Shavin when they taught that though, So that's 479 00:24:50,760 --> 00:24:52,959 Speaker 1: one of the things that he was a police officer. 480 00:24:53,320 --> 00:24:55,560 Speaker 1: How long ago he said it was for twenty two 481 00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:58,359 Speaker 1: years and retired. How long ago was he a police 482 00:24:58,400 --> 00:25:01,399 Speaker 1: officer when they trained that, they new techniques like they have. 483 00:25:01,760 --> 00:25:05,840 Speaker 1: It's constantly evolving policing. So but I was really kind 484 00:25:05,840 --> 00:25:08,240 Speaker 1: of like they should really challenge him on that. But 485 00:25:08,280 --> 00:25:11,280 Speaker 1: then also just kind of going back to training, Shopping 486 00:25:11,359 --> 00:25:14,920 Speaker 1: had a plenty of training, you know, and even still 487 00:25:15,440 --> 00:25:18,320 Speaker 1: again going back to the point, he's done this before, 488 00:25:18,440 --> 00:25:21,520 Speaker 1: he's gotten away with it before. Uh, he's had hours 489 00:25:21,560 --> 00:25:24,600 Speaker 1: upon hours upon hours. The guy also today brought brought 490 00:25:24,720 --> 00:25:28,640 Speaker 1: up the superhuman notice that that he yeah, he brought 491 00:25:28,720 --> 00:25:31,640 Speaker 1: and remember that last that medical the medical quote unquote 492 00:25:31,640 --> 00:25:36,600 Speaker 1: training coordinator also brought up super human straining mutians um 493 00:25:36,640 --> 00:25:41,840 Speaker 1: you supports expert. He's he admitted that exited delivererate delirium 494 00:25:42,080 --> 00:25:47,240 Speaker 1: is not recognized by that medical doctors or psychiatrists. It's 495 00:25:47,240 --> 00:25:50,520 Speaker 1: not in any of those books. But police still train 496 00:25:50,640 --> 00:25:53,040 Speaker 1: on it. So I thought that was really interesting. And 497 00:25:53,040 --> 00:25:55,800 Speaker 1: this just goes to show, you know that they're they're 498 00:25:55,840 --> 00:25:59,840 Speaker 1: training on something that has traditionally been used to just 499 00:26:00,040 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 1: the fi the the um, superman, strength praise, drug addict 500 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:11,080 Speaker 1: black man. You know, that's what it's traditionally been used for. 501 00:26:11,520 --> 00:26:14,160 Speaker 1: So there's still even though we've had some different things, 502 00:26:14,200 --> 00:26:17,080 Speaker 1: they're still being trained on this stuff. There may need 503 00:26:17,160 --> 00:26:20,040 Speaker 1: to be review of policies in some cases. But I 504 00:26:20,080 --> 00:26:23,639 Speaker 1: think until we really enforce the policies that they have, 505 00:26:23,840 --> 00:26:26,720 Speaker 1: because in Minnesota, when they went down those policies, those 506 00:26:26,720 --> 00:26:32,240 Speaker 1: policies were textbook. What that police chief testified to is textbook. 507 00:26:32,440 --> 00:26:34,840 Speaker 1: That is what we want policing in America to looked 508 00:26:34,840 --> 00:26:38,040 Speaker 1: like his testimony is it in his force? Hell? No? 509 00:26:39,080 --> 00:26:41,560 Speaker 1: Is it? You know? Is it? So that goes to 510 00:26:41,640 --> 00:26:44,000 Speaker 1: what you you were just talking about, test the culture. 511 00:26:44,440 --> 00:26:46,679 Speaker 1: If I'm gonna change the culture, you can change all 512 00:26:46,680 --> 00:27:05,359 Speaker 1: the policies you want. I don't. We don't have a 513 00:27:05,359 --> 00:27:07,240 Speaker 1: lot of time to delve into this case. But you 514 00:27:07,280 --> 00:27:09,760 Speaker 1: know it's obvious. You know it's happening right now. You 515 00:27:09,760 --> 00:27:14,680 Speaker 1: know with the Dante right case again policy of not 516 00:27:15,400 --> 00:27:20,200 Speaker 1: firing in a moving vehicle or tasering a moving vehicle. 517 00:27:20,520 --> 00:27:23,480 Speaker 1: So even if it was an accident, which not a 518 00:27:23,480 --> 00:27:25,199 Speaker 1: lot of people are buying, but let's just say it 519 00:27:25,240 --> 00:27:28,600 Speaker 1: was an accident, how do we explain pulling out either 520 00:27:28,680 --> 00:27:33,440 Speaker 1: a taser or a gun. Yes, when he's pretty much 521 00:27:34,600 --> 00:27:36,840 Speaker 1: would you would do you classify it as a moving vehicle? 522 00:27:36,880 --> 00:27:39,639 Speaker 1: Onntally break that down because because I've heard a lot 523 00:27:39,720 --> 00:27:42,080 Speaker 1: of pundits say that because he's in a vehicle. They 524 00:27:42,080 --> 00:27:45,080 Speaker 1: shouldn't have done it broke away. He leads me to 525 00:27:45,119 --> 00:27:47,800 Speaker 1: believe that he had the vehicle on. He didn't turn 526 00:27:47,880 --> 00:27:50,480 Speaker 1: it on at even shot. I'm thinking, but I don't know. 527 00:27:50,640 --> 00:27:53,000 Speaker 1: This is all guessing, So I don't want to really 528 00:27:53,040 --> 00:27:55,720 Speaker 1: guess for your viewers, but I will say the fact 529 00:27:55,760 --> 00:27:59,040 Speaker 1: that you have done out and at the ready. What 530 00:27:59,160 --> 00:28:01,320 Speaker 1: we saw in George Floyd case, let's bring it back there. 531 00:28:01,359 --> 00:28:04,600 Speaker 1: They showed video of his two thousand nineteen arrest, guns 532 00:28:04,600 --> 00:28:08,000 Speaker 1: out at the ready. Yes, I'm so glad you brought 533 00:28:08,040 --> 00:28:11,400 Speaker 1: it up, and I'm so glad they showed that. The defense, 534 00:28:11,600 --> 00:28:13,600 Speaker 1: I guess did the defense think that was gonna? I 535 00:28:13,640 --> 00:28:16,160 Speaker 1: loved it done. Another defense thought, I guess there's gonna 536 00:28:16,160 --> 00:28:18,560 Speaker 1: be some major bombshell. Let's really break that on the 537 00:28:18,640 --> 00:28:21,120 Speaker 1: last little time we have remaining. What showed in two 538 00:28:21,119 --> 00:28:24,840 Speaker 1: thousand nineteen was you guys are quick to pull out 539 00:28:24,840 --> 00:28:28,480 Speaker 1: your gun. The man was literally begging not to get shot. 540 00:28:28,560 --> 00:28:33,879 Speaker 1: Then not on you have guns out on misdemeanor against 541 00:28:33,920 --> 00:28:36,920 Speaker 1: the Supreme Court case of Graham versus Connor. That's right, 542 00:28:37,760 --> 00:28:41,880 Speaker 1: guns drawn, He's begging for his life. Then do they 543 00:28:41,960 --> 00:28:45,160 Speaker 1: notice the pattern that every time and it's amazing. It's like, 544 00:28:45,280 --> 00:28:49,400 Speaker 1: I love man the prosecutor, what's on the errand she 545 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:51,640 Speaker 1: is badass. I love how she you know, they said 546 00:28:51,680 --> 00:28:53,480 Speaker 1: she was aggressive. You and I were texting about and 547 00:28:53,480 --> 00:28:55,080 Speaker 1: I said, I loved because she got straight down to 548 00:28:55,360 --> 00:28:57,280 Speaker 1: did you hear all of the different Basically she was 549 00:28:57,320 --> 00:29:00,040 Speaker 1: saying all of the different commands that are come and 550 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:01,760 Speaker 1: get you when you have a gun to your face, 551 00:29:01,800 --> 00:29:05,720 Speaker 1: you know what to remind me of set it off? Remember, yeah, 552 00:29:05,800 --> 00:29:08,480 Speaker 1: remember when she said, what would you do if you 553 00:29:08,560 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 1: had a gun to your face? And kept pressuring her 554 00:29:12,080 --> 00:29:15,200 Speaker 1: on how how do I know how to respond when 555 00:29:15,200 --> 00:29:17,320 Speaker 1: a gun is to my face? And remember in that movie, 556 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,160 Speaker 1: for those who haven't, when I set it off? I 557 00:29:19,200 --> 00:29:20,760 Speaker 1: hope that if you're listening to me, you have seen 558 00:29:20,800 --> 00:29:23,719 Speaker 1: set it off. But if you have not, at the end, 559 00:29:24,360 --> 00:29:27,880 Speaker 1: that was the main thing that really, you know, triggered 560 00:29:27,880 --> 00:29:29,800 Speaker 1: her pain, and we just break that even though that's 561 00:29:29,840 --> 00:29:32,480 Speaker 1: a fiction movie, let's just think about it, because she 562 00:29:32,640 --> 00:29:35,080 Speaker 1: was doing the right thing and was put into a 563 00:29:35,120 --> 00:29:39,640 Speaker 1: situation and accused of something, and you know her decided, 564 00:29:39,720 --> 00:29:42,400 Speaker 1: you know what, I'm gonna get back at the system. 565 00:29:42,480 --> 00:29:44,280 Speaker 1: And then at the end the main thing that she 566 00:29:44,360 --> 00:29:47,400 Speaker 1: wanted that cop to know what do you do when 567 00:29:47,400 --> 00:29:49,640 Speaker 1: a gun is in your face? That is so it 568 00:29:49,720 --> 00:29:53,640 Speaker 1: just gave me chills because it's so profound. On the trauma. 569 00:29:53,800 --> 00:29:56,520 Speaker 1: That's all I thought about. On the trauma that we 570 00:29:56,680 --> 00:29:59,840 Speaker 1: have as a community that makes someone feel that they're 571 00:29:59,840 --> 00:30:03,080 Speaker 1: going and to lose their life, whether it's Dante trying 572 00:30:03,160 --> 00:30:06,080 Speaker 1: to flee, which I think Attorney Crime brought up a 573 00:30:06,080 --> 00:30:08,760 Speaker 1: good point. He said, it wasn't the best decision, he said, 574 00:30:08,760 --> 00:30:11,320 Speaker 1: but young folks don't make the best decisions all the time. 575 00:30:11,880 --> 00:30:14,160 Speaker 1: Who was the adult in the situation, Who was the 576 00:30:14,200 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: twenty six year veteran in the situation? Who is the 577 00:30:16,800 --> 00:30:19,200 Speaker 1: person that knows, you know, how to how to think 578 00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:22,760 Speaker 1: through these situations? No accountability goes on them, and you 579 00:30:22,800 --> 00:30:26,920 Speaker 1: have to think about when we see police. Unfortunately, the 580 00:30:27,000 --> 00:30:29,880 Speaker 1: response is not, oh, they're here to help me with 581 00:30:29,920 --> 00:30:32,360 Speaker 1: all of the trauma that is going around now. It 582 00:30:32,480 --> 00:30:34,719 Speaker 1: it the mindset is they're here to kill me. So 583 00:30:34,760 --> 00:30:38,560 Speaker 1: how do you respond when you feel that your life 584 00:30:38,680 --> 00:30:40,800 Speaker 1: is in damer you're talking about it tays you know, 585 00:30:40,840 --> 00:30:43,560 Speaker 1: it's just like the total disregard of life. You can 586 00:30:43,640 --> 00:30:45,840 Speaker 1: let that boy go, You got his license plate. You 587 00:30:45,960 --> 00:30:49,280 Speaker 1: probably got his license I don't know. But really, over 588 00:30:49,600 --> 00:30:53,360 Speaker 1: this misdemeanor you've taken, You're gonna pull out your gun 589 00:30:53,680 --> 00:30:56,400 Speaker 1: and shoot a twenty year old and loses life over this, 590 00:30:57,280 --> 00:31:01,120 Speaker 1: it's to me, you're you are not in danger, Your 591 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:04,920 Speaker 1: life is not in danger you. He's not gonna hurt you, 592 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:09,120 Speaker 1: He's not hurting anybody else, there's nobody. Why can't you 593 00:31:09,560 --> 00:31:12,000 Speaker 1: Why why do you have to make the choice to 594 00:31:12,080 --> 00:31:14,240 Speaker 1: pull out a gun to kill? And you know what, 595 00:31:14,480 --> 00:31:17,480 Speaker 1: even if she's shot by accident, what I'm not going 596 00:31:17,560 --> 00:31:20,320 Speaker 1: to subscribe to is that pulling out the gun was 597 00:31:20,360 --> 00:31:23,160 Speaker 1: an accident. If anything, she pulled it out to once 598 00:31:23,200 --> 00:31:27,160 Speaker 1: again stoked fear. It seems these folks love putting the 599 00:31:27,160 --> 00:31:29,560 Speaker 1: fear of God and people's eye, you know, in their 600 00:31:29,560 --> 00:31:31,800 Speaker 1: in their soul. So if it was an accident, which 601 00:31:31,840 --> 00:31:33,280 Speaker 1: I do not believe, or make that clear, I do 602 00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:34,960 Speaker 1: not believe it was an accident. But if it was 603 00:31:35,000 --> 00:31:37,880 Speaker 1: an accident, she definitely meant to pull out the gun 604 00:31:38,200 --> 00:31:41,720 Speaker 1: as a way to deter him from his behavior and 605 00:31:41,880 --> 00:31:46,000 Speaker 1: either accidentally shot or intentionally shot. But it's just hard 606 00:31:46,000 --> 00:31:48,520 Speaker 1: for me to believe that you got confused between an 607 00:31:48,520 --> 00:31:54,320 Speaker 1: eight ounce taser and a two pound weapon. What's your 608 00:31:54,360 --> 00:31:56,440 Speaker 1: thought on that. I don't know enough about this case 609 00:31:56,600 --> 00:31:59,640 Speaker 1: to say whether it not was an accident or not. 610 00:32:00,000 --> 00:32:02,320 Speaker 1: What I do know is that a twenty year old 611 00:32:02,400 --> 00:32:05,880 Speaker 1: died over some bullshit. That's what I do. And that's 612 00:32:05,920 --> 00:32:08,760 Speaker 1: happening on all these cases. And it does not happen 613 00:32:08,800 --> 00:32:13,080 Speaker 1: to white kids. It does not happen to anybody but 614 00:32:13,280 --> 00:32:16,320 Speaker 1: black kids when this stuff happens. So there is some 615 00:32:16,720 --> 00:32:22,160 Speaker 1: there is some racial thing in this equation that we 616 00:32:22,240 --> 00:32:24,760 Speaker 1: have to talk about. When you see a Dylan Ruth 617 00:32:24,800 --> 00:32:27,000 Speaker 1: get escorted it out of a church after he has 618 00:32:27,000 --> 00:32:29,640 Speaker 1: shot and killed many people. When you see a Kyle 619 00:32:29,800 --> 00:32:33,840 Speaker 1: Rittenhouse get escorted to the police and and it walked 620 00:32:33,960 --> 00:32:37,200 Speaker 1: right past the police with his hands up after somebody's 621 00:32:37,200 --> 00:32:40,320 Speaker 1: been shot, we don't see. We saw witnesses in the 622 00:32:40,320 --> 00:32:43,600 Speaker 1: George Floyd case get treated like they were criminals who 623 00:32:43,600 --> 00:32:46,480 Speaker 1: were trying to help George Floyd. We saw them be 624 00:32:46,600 --> 00:32:49,920 Speaker 1: threatened and get treated like criminals. This is the this 625 00:32:50,000 --> 00:32:52,320 Speaker 1: is the thing that nobody really wants to talk about. 626 00:32:52,360 --> 00:32:54,600 Speaker 1: And I think that this is the this is why 627 00:32:55,080 --> 00:32:59,000 Speaker 1: George Floyd's case is so important. His case is so 628 00:32:59,080 --> 00:33:03,640 Speaker 1: important because us you actually have to deal with, why 629 00:33:03,880 --> 00:33:06,479 Speaker 1: is it George Floyd with a knee on the net 630 00:33:06,760 --> 00:33:10,600 Speaker 1: and being treated so abusively over a fake twenty dollar bill? 631 00:33:11,080 --> 00:33:15,360 Speaker 1: When we see other cases where it's a white person 632 00:33:15,680 --> 00:33:19,440 Speaker 1: and they're getting which is egregious, they're getting escorted and 633 00:33:19,480 --> 00:33:22,080 Speaker 1: they're getting treated with all kind of guard When we 634 00:33:22,120 --> 00:33:25,080 Speaker 1: see the Capitol building being storm when we see all 635 00:33:25,120 --> 00:33:27,880 Speaker 1: of that, I think that you know, at a certain point, 636 00:33:28,000 --> 00:33:30,360 Speaker 1: this is the reckoning that we have to deal with, 637 00:33:30,680 --> 00:33:32,560 Speaker 1: and they're really gonna have to deal with it if 638 00:33:32,560 --> 00:33:35,320 Speaker 1: this verden Is comes back a different way. It is 639 00:33:35,960 --> 00:33:38,440 Speaker 1: and it is the It is the you know, the 640 00:33:38,480 --> 00:33:42,960 Speaker 1: house that they have built, the house that they have built. 641 00:33:43,440 --> 00:33:47,960 Speaker 1: Mm hmm. Well, I know we only have a few 642 00:33:48,000 --> 00:33:50,720 Speaker 1: moments left. I'm afraid to get into another topic because 643 00:33:50,760 --> 00:33:55,959 Speaker 1: I know it might go longer. Um and for so, 644 00:33:56,040 --> 00:33:58,280 Speaker 1: I want to make sure that your viewers understand what 645 00:33:58,280 --> 00:34:01,480 Speaker 1: we're talking about. The evidence rule. So lawyers put together 646 00:34:01,560 --> 00:34:04,240 Speaker 1: their trial, and they put together their trial strategy. We 647 00:34:04,360 --> 00:34:06,479 Speaker 1: have to think about all these things. Everything that we 648 00:34:06,560 --> 00:34:10,520 Speaker 1: do is a double edged sword. There's nothing that you 649 00:34:10,560 --> 00:34:13,040 Speaker 1: don't do in a trial that can't come back and 650 00:34:13,040 --> 00:34:15,160 Speaker 1: bite you in the butt. That is a part of 651 00:34:15,200 --> 00:34:18,120 Speaker 1: that is really what what we're thinking about. And we're 652 00:34:18,120 --> 00:34:20,920 Speaker 1: thinking about all these rules of evidence. Remember, there's gonna 653 00:34:20,920 --> 00:34:23,440 Speaker 1: be before you get to that trial. There's gonna be 654 00:34:23,480 --> 00:34:26,520 Speaker 1: so many things that have happened pre trial, in motion 655 00:34:26,600 --> 00:34:29,640 Speaker 1: practice where you're trying to get judged to decide on 656 00:34:29,680 --> 00:34:32,319 Speaker 1: what evidence will be let in and what evidence won't 657 00:34:32,320 --> 00:34:35,400 Speaker 1: be let in. So I believe that you know, the 658 00:34:35,440 --> 00:34:37,400 Speaker 1: prosecution in this case, when I say that they have 659 00:34:37,440 --> 00:34:40,480 Speaker 1: an obligation to bring everything to the front, I believe 660 00:34:40,520 --> 00:34:42,480 Speaker 1: that that is one of the things that they have done. 661 00:34:42,760 --> 00:34:44,640 Speaker 1: They have put on more wooden, they put on more 662 00:34:44,680 --> 00:34:47,520 Speaker 1: witnesses than I would have as a defense lawyer. You know, 663 00:34:47,600 --> 00:34:50,160 Speaker 1: they've done all of this and and really have put 664 00:34:50,200 --> 00:34:54,279 Speaker 1: the cards on the table. Well per se. Now, what 665 00:34:54,440 --> 00:34:57,960 Speaker 1: happens also in a criminal trial is that a criminal 666 00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,360 Speaker 1: defendant gets a lot of lead what and this is 667 00:35:01,360 --> 00:35:03,880 Speaker 1: why you're seeing this judge. I feel like the judge 668 00:35:03,880 --> 00:35:07,640 Speaker 1: has made some pretty kind of iffy rulings, but he's 669 00:35:07,680 --> 00:35:10,040 Speaker 1: gonna give this defendant a lot of leeway. And he's 670 00:35:10,040 --> 00:35:12,880 Speaker 1: gonna do that because they don't want to have appeals. 671 00:35:12,880 --> 00:35:15,880 Speaker 1: It caust money to have appeals, to cause money, you know, 672 00:35:15,960 --> 00:35:19,520 Speaker 1: to make them evidentiary mistake on something, especially a case 673 00:35:19,600 --> 00:35:21,920 Speaker 1: where you know, you kind of know and this is 674 00:35:21,960 --> 00:35:23,920 Speaker 1: not right and it's not what you really should do, 675 00:35:23,960 --> 00:35:26,200 Speaker 1: but you're just in reality. This is why judges do. 676 00:35:26,680 --> 00:35:29,520 Speaker 1: If they feel like you probably don't convicted, they might 677 00:35:29,600 --> 00:35:31,239 Speaker 1: let it in some more stuff so you don't have 678 00:35:31,280 --> 00:35:35,359 Speaker 1: nothing to appeal. Letting more stuff then they then they 679 00:35:35,400 --> 00:35:38,840 Speaker 1: normally would, you know, as far as like a more objection, 680 00:35:38,920 --> 00:35:42,040 Speaker 1: to sustain more objections from the defense than they normally would, 681 00:35:42,360 --> 00:35:44,680 Speaker 1: because they're trying to they're trying to avoid that appeal. 682 00:35:44,719 --> 00:35:47,640 Speaker 1: They're trying to avoid that mistrial. Do you think overall 683 00:35:47,680 --> 00:35:53,480 Speaker 1: he's been pretty fair though I don't know because I 684 00:35:53,520 --> 00:35:56,800 Speaker 1: feel like, um, you know, from a judge, it's a 685 00:35:56,880 --> 00:35:59,839 Speaker 1: hard it's kind of a hard job, especially when you're 686 00:35:59,840 --> 00:36:02,200 Speaker 1: on national television and you're being these a lot of 687 00:36:02,239 --> 00:36:06,840 Speaker 1: these um rulings. They're they're not so cut and dry there. 688 00:36:07,280 --> 00:36:11,319 Speaker 1: It involves some subjectivity. So yes, I will say that, 689 00:36:11,360 --> 00:36:27,480 Speaker 1: he will. He was, yeah, uh, And I think and 690 00:36:27,480 --> 00:36:29,160 Speaker 1: I and I just you know, that's all I do 691 00:36:29,200 --> 00:36:32,000 Speaker 1: instead of listening commentary all day and give commentary, and 692 00:36:32,040 --> 00:36:34,279 Speaker 1: I would say that the consensus has seemed to be 693 00:36:34,400 --> 00:36:39,040 Speaker 1: on both sides, a consensus that he's been somewhat fair, 694 00:36:39,160 --> 00:36:43,560 Speaker 1: you know, certainly not obviously biased towards one side or 695 00:36:43,640 --> 00:36:46,040 Speaker 1: the other. I think there's always gonna be somebody that's 696 00:36:46,040 --> 00:36:47,560 Speaker 1: gonna say, no, he should have did this, and then, 697 00:36:47,560 --> 00:36:49,359 Speaker 1: you know, I think there's always some bias in it. 698 00:36:49,400 --> 00:36:52,839 Speaker 1: But if we just had to be objective considering all 699 00:36:52,880 --> 00:36:56,600 Speaker 1: of the circumstances and everything evolved, So for example, I 700 00:36:56,640 --> 00:37:01,160 Speaker 1: would have if if he was really eyes towards the defense. 701 00:37:01,160 --> 00:37:03,000 Speaker 1: So really, but you know, when they asked for the 702 00:37:03,280 --> 00:37:07,000 Speaker 1: jury to be uh sequestered, when they asked for after 703 00:37:07,040 --> 00:37:09,360 Speaker 1: the lawsuit happened, and they asked for you know, the 704 00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:12,080 Speaker 1: trial to be moved, and all of those things, I 705 00:37:12,120 --> 00:37:14,840 Speaker 1: think he kept some fairness and balancing that that I 706 00:37:14,880 --> 00:37:17,520 Speaker 1: think actually helps on the prosecution side. But could back 707 00:37:17,760 --> 00:37:20,399 Speaker 1: about this question and really quick, I think that's that's 708 00:37:20,480 --> 00:37:22,319 Speaker 1: just a movie. More cores a moving more and more 709 00:37:22,360 --> 00:37:25,239 Speaker 1: away from squestering. We're in it now. Where you got 710 00:37:25,320 --> 00:37:27,719 Speaker 1: the cell phones? You got the question worked when you 711 00:37:27,800 --> 00:37:33,000 Speaker 1: had that one TV with three channels. Yeah, we're at 712 00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:34,960 Speaker 1: a different age. Now and this is the thing the 713 00:37:34,960 --> 00:37:37,000 Speaker 1: court that has to keep up with it. So if 714 00:37:37,000 --> 00:37:39,560 Speaker 1: he wanted to question the jury after this shooting, the 715 00:37:39,600 --> 00:37:43,520 Speaker 1: shooting already happened, you know about the shooting, so you know, 716 00:37:43,840 --> 00:37:47,000 Speaker 1: it's like at this point used the questioning. I think 717 00:37:47,000 --> 00:37:49,080 Speaker 1: that he made the right decision there. I don't think 718 00:37:49,120 --> 00:37:52,960 Speaker 1: that really there. You the jury instruction will tell the 719 00:37:53,040 --> 00:37:56,120 Speaker 1: jury that they should only base their decision on the 720 00:37:56,239 --> 00:37:58,759 Speaker 1: evidence that was presented in court, which we know that 721 00:37:58,800 --> 00:38:02,640 Speaker 1: they don't. But that's what the instructions say. But the people, 722 00:38:03,120 --> 00:38:06,120 Speaker 1: the people who don't do that have never done it, right. Yeah, 723 00:38:06,200 --> 00:38:07,800 Speaker 1: I just want to put that after that they don't. 724 00:38:07,960 --> 00:38:09,720 Speaker 1: But I'm just saying the fact that he didn't push 725 00:38:09,760 --> 00:38:12,879 Speaker 1: that line just show some fairness is all I'm saying. 726 00:38:12,920 --> 00:38:15,799 Speaker 1: I think he made the right decision. But about this 727 00:38:15,880 --> 00:38:18,040 Speaker 1: judge immediately, one of the things we learned in law 728 00:38:18,160 --> 00:38:20,040 Speaker 1: is that in mediation, for instance, when you're trying to 729 00:38:20,040 --> 00:38:23,440 Speaker 1: negotiate something or get something that you want, and this 730 00:38:23,520 --> 00:38:25,440 Speaker 1: is probably how the judge sees it because the judge 731 00:38:25,480 --> 00:38:29,400 Speaker 1: is just the referee. They're making the calls. Their referee 732 00:38:29,400 --> 00:38:33,680 Speaker 1: making the calls, whether it's fair out whatever. Um everybody 733 00:38:33,719 --> 00:38:37,520 Speaker 1: should be a little mad, you know, everybody should. That's 734 00:38:37,520 --> 00:38:39,600 Speaker 1: how you can kind of tell if it's fair. If 735 00:38:39,640 --> 00:38:46,239 Speaker 1: everybody walking away feeling like it wasn't fair, that's and 736 00:38:46,280 --> 00:38:48,399 Speaker 1: I think that that's how judges see it. So I'll 737 00:38:48,400 --> 00:38:50,640 Speaker 1: give him, Yes, I'll say that he was fair. Yeah. 738 00:38:51,000 --> 00:38:52,520 Speaker 1: And the reason why I'm saying that as we wrap 739 00:38:52,600 --> 00:38:56,880 Speaker 1: up is because I want people to learn how to 740 00:38:57,000 --> 00:39:00,520 Speaker 1: look at things objectively, uh and not. So this is 741 00:39:00,520 --> 00:39:03,880 Speaker 1: a very emotional case. It is natural to have emotion, 742 00:39:04,320 --> 00:39:06,920 Speaker 1: It is natural to be triggered. It is natural to 743 00:39:07,000 --> 00:39:11,400 Speaker 1: have thoughts of our family members and certain things that 744 00:39:11,480 --> 00:39:13,680 Speaker 1: connect with us emotionally. You know, I think you and 745 00:39:13,719 --> 00:39:15,840 Speaker 1: I talked about this because even with with d m 746 00:39:16,080 --> 00:39:20,960 Speaker 1: X passing and his drug abuse, his addiction problems, if 747 00:39:20,960 --> 00:39:24,680 Speaker 1: you will, for me, that even connected to this case 748 00:39:24,960 --> 00:39:28,960 Speaker 1: because a lot of folks feel bad about what happened 749 00:39:28,960 --> 00:39:31,960 Speaker 1: with George Floyd, and a lot of us have family 750 00:39:32,000 --> 00:39:34,760 Speaker 1: members who have suffered, I have, you know, of addiction. 751 00:39:34,800 --> 00:39:37,520 Speaker 1: Their whole life in in d m X was so 752 00:39:37,680 --> 00:39:41,200 Speaker 1: loved by so many people that they felt kind of 753 00:39:41,239 --> 00:39:43,839 Speaker 1: like a real loss, you know, kind of different than 754 00:39:43,880 --> 00:39:46,359 Speaker 1: just watching. You know, you're you're watching what happened. Oh, 755 00:39:46,400 --> 00:39:48,160 Speaker 1: you know, that's bad. That happened with George Floyd. That's 756 00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:50,960 Speaker 1: messed up, but people kind of talking about the system overall. 757 00:39:51,800 --> 00:39:55,160 Speaker 1: His family obviously felt a personal loss, but with d 758 00:39:55,320 --> 00:39:58,200 Speaker 1: m X because a lot of us, you know, grew 759 00:39:58,360 --> 00:40:01,320 Speaker 1: up with him or grew up around He's old templus 760 00:40:01,440 --> 00:40:03,320 Speaker 1: years older than me, but I grew up on that music. 761 00:40:03,719 --> 00:40:05,960 Speaker 1: And you start to make a connection, you know, with 762 00:40:06,120 --> 00:40:09,520 Speaker 1: that celebrity of that actor, and everybody rooted for d MX. 763 00:40:09,880 --> 00:40:14,840 Speaker 1: So I'm just connecting that because when he passed that Friday, 764 00:40:15,239 --> 00:40:21,040 Speaker 1: it was after the week of George's drug addiction being introduced, 765 00:40:21,440 --> 00:40:23,840 Speaker 1: and it just kind of it hit heavy on that weekend. 766 00:40:24,000 --> 00:40:26,400 Speaker 1: It was just a lot you know, going on with 767 00:40:26,560 --> 00:40:29,680 Speaker 1: just we we still love people as people, regardless of 768 00:40:29,719 --> 00:40:32,319 Speaker 1: what they struggle with. So the reason why I'm saying 769 00:40:32,360 --> 00:40:35,960 Speaker 1: about being objective is because there's so many personal connections 770 00:40:35,960 --> 00:40:39,479 Speaker 1: that we have with this case frustration that I want 771 00:40:39,480 --> 00:40:42,120 Speaker 1: people to try to have the courage to to watch 772 00:40:42,160 --> 00:40:44,680 Speaker 1: it and to try to look at things objectively so 773 00:40:44,719 --> 00:40:48,960 Speaker 1: that we can learn, because sometimes when you're so emotionally involved, 774 00:40:49,760 --> 00:40:52,960 Speaker 1: you you you truly don't see anything but television on 775 00:40:53,080 --> 00:40:55,759 Speaker 1: what you know, you know, even if it's true, But 776 00:40:55,840 --> 00:40:58,080 Speaker 1: I think, like what people are having a hard time 777 00:40:58,120 --> 00:41:01,239 Speaker 1: when is that? That kind of seems to only be 778 00:41:01,280 --> 00:41:04,920 Speaker 1: told to black people. But you know, to be objective 779 00:41:05,200 --> 00:41:07,799 Speaker 1: to do this, it would be like if I if 780 00:41:07,840 --> 00:41:11,120 Speaker 1: there were witnesses that saw someone shoot somebody, there were, 781 00:41:11,160 --> 00:41:13,439 Speaker 1: I wouldness says you walk up to somebody, you shoot someone, 782 00:41:13,480 --> 00:41:16,960 Speaker 1: you killed them, right, and versus the person who somebody 783 00:41:17,000 --> 00:41:19,040 Speaker 1: is shooting somebody from the grassy, know, and they go 784 00:41:19,160 --> 00:41:22,000 Speaker 1: get somebody to say this was the person. Oh well, 785 00:41:22,120 --> 00:41:23,920 Speaker 1: let me let me be clear. I'm not saying be 786 00:41:23,960 --> 00:41:26,120 Speaker 1: objective to the system. The system is racist and need 787 00:41:26,160 --> 00:41:27,920 Speaker 1: to be torn down to rebet. What I'm saying is 788 00:41:27,960 --> 00:41:30,040 Speaker 1: I want us to learn. I'm just speaking from an 789 00:41:30,200 --> 00:41:34,080 Speaker 1: educator standpoint. We have to learn the game. If you 790 00:41:34,160 --> 00:41:36,080 Speaker 1: don't know the game, we don't know how to play 791 00:41:36,120 --> 00:41:38,040 Speaker 1: the game. And I'm saying that to say that we 792 00:41:38,120 --> 00:41:41,200 Speaker 1: have to know what the problems are specifically, not just 793 00:41:41,239 --> 00:41:43,080 Speaker 1: saying hey it's all racist. We gotta know, okay, is 794 00:41:43,080 --> 00:41:44,520 Speaker 1: it's a rule we need to change that, We need 795 00:41:44,520 --> 00:41:46,360 Speaker 1: to change rule for or four? And why shouldn't we 796 00:41:46,719 --> 00:41:50,200 Speaker 1: if you're so emotionally involved where you're turning it off 797 00:41:50,840 --> 00:41:53,520 Speaker 1: and not watching or learning. Because that's that's what I mean. 798 00:41:53,520 --> 00:41:55,759 Speaker 1: So I'm glad you brought it up for clarity because 799 00:41:55,800 --> 00:41:58,000 Speaker 1: they don't want to be gas lit, right, but you 800 00:41:58,080 --> 00:42:02,919 Speaker 1: got But I need people to know because you don't know. Yeah, 801 00:42:03,000 --> 00:42:05,319 Speaker 1: but that but you already know. I'm talking about the 802 00:42:05,360 --> 00:42:08,400 Speaker 1: person at home that is just I'm gonna turn it 803 00:42:08,440 --> 00:42:10,560 Speaker 1: off and put my head in the sand. And I 804 00:42:10,600 --> 00:42:13,440 Speaker 1: need them to be educated because if they're not educated 805 00:42:13,480 --> 00:42:16,359 Speaker 1: on what to change, that's the next step. If he's 806 00:42:16,400 --> 00:42:20,080 Speaker 1: acquitted or if he's convicted, we have another step after this, 807 00:42:20,360 --> 00:42:22,879 Speaker 1: which is still changing this policy. So I'm always trying 808 00:42:22,920 --> 00:42:24,560 Speaker 1: to get people on the ground to know what to 809 00:42:24,600 --> 00:42:27,680 Speaker 1: fight for. And if you're not paying attention, if you're 810 00:42:27,719 --> 00:42:29,720 Speaker 1: not educating, that's what I mean when I say be objective. 811 00:42:29,719 --> 00:42:31,560 Speaker 1: I'm not saying give somebody the benefit of the doubt. 812 00:42:31,640 --> 00:42:35,080 Speaker 1: Let me correct that. I'm saying remove enough emotion so 813 00:42:35,160 --> 00:42:37,520 Speaker 1: that you can learn. I want people to get the game, 814 00:42:37,800 --> 00:42:40,040 Speaker 1: so you understand, how do how do we how do 815 00:42:40,080 --> 00:42:43,680 Speaker 1: we play this game? Because what's happening is that leave 816 00:42:44,120 --> 00:42:46,520 Speaker 1: it always moved, but we gotta keep We gotta keep up. Though. 817 00:42:46,560 --> 00:42:49,680 Speaker 1: We can't just keep saying I'm just get some people 818 00:42:49,719 --> 00:42:53,520 Speaker 1: like we ain't paying the game. Well what yeah, but that, 819 00:42:53,600 --> 00:42:55,359 Speaker 1: But I don't need them to do that though, But 820 00:42:55,640 --> 00:42:57,360 Speaker 1: we can't afford it to do Some of us got 821 00:42:57,480 --> 00:43:00,279 Speaker 1: to watch. Some of us gotta pay attention, me and 822 00:43:00,320 --> 00:43:02,360 Speaker 1: you that are gonna watch some people. But this is 823 00:43:02,800 --> 00:43:05,480 Speaker 1: this is trauma porn over and over and this is 824 00:43:05,520 --> 00:43:09,080 Speaker 1: so for some people. This is they see the the 825 00:43:09,320 --> 00:43:12,520 Speaker 1: goal post being moved every time they see they know 826 00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:14,839 Speaker 1: if they were David Derek Chevin, they would be under 827 00:43:14,840 --> 00:43:16,919 Speaker 1: the jail right. But let me but hear me out. 828 00:43:17,000 --> 00:43:19,520 Speaker 1: I'm not. I'm not disagreeing with that. That's not the 829 00:43:19,560 --> 00:43:22,560 Speaker 1: point I'm making. The point I'm making is a lot 830 00:43:22,600 --> 00:43:25,879 Speaker 1: of people folks can't see because we're not showing the video. 831 00:43:25,960 --> 00:43:27,600 Speaker 1: But you know, I have my push the Line shirt 832 00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:31,120 Speaker 1: on right now at the bottom. Each person does something different. 833 00:43:32,080 --> 00:43:35,600 Speaker 1: Your job maybe to push the pea you know in 834 00:43:35,640 --> 00:43:38,799 Speaker 1: the policy and the law. My job may be a commentator. 835 00:43:39,200 --> 00:43:41,200 Speaker 1: I'm not asking for everybody to get involved at the 836 00:43:41,200 --> 00:43:44,200 Speaker 1: same level. Everybody don't have the same capacity. What I'm 837 00:43:44,200 --> 00:43:47,600 Speaker 1: saying is this will meet you at your doorstep at 838 00:43:47,640 --> 00:43:50,320 Speaker 1: some point in time, whether it's you are six degrees 839 00:43:50,360 --> 00:43:53,200 Speaker 1: of separation and the reason why this is so important. Now, 840 00:43:53,200 --> 00:43:55,000 Speaker 1: I'm not saying they gotta watch the trial all day 841 00:43:55,080 --> 00:43:57,760 Speaker 1: beginning to end. I'm just saying, if it's an article, 842 00:43:57,800 --> 00:43:59,719 Speaker 1: read it. If it's listening to this, read it. If 843 00:43:59,719 --> 00:44:02,600 Speaker 1: it's a recap reading. Somebody on my wall said today, Tess, 844 00:44:02,600 --> 00:44:04,319 Speaker 1: I can't watch the trial, but I'm at least coming 845 00:44:04,320 --> 00:44:07,000 Speaker 1: to your wall with updates. But I still caution people 846 00:44:07,040 --> 00:44:10,600 Speaker 1: with that because a lot of commentators have agendas. They're 847 00:44:10,600 --> 00:44:13,000 Speaker 1: pushing certain agenda, so you might be listening to the 848 00:44:13,040 --> 00:44:16,960 Speaker 1: wrong person. So as as an activist on the ground, 849 00:44:17,120 --> 00:44:20,279 Speaker 1: as an organizer, I can't stress enough because even if 850 00:44:20,280 --> 00:44:22,400 Speaker 1: I say, hey, y'all need to watch, don't worry about it, 851 00:44:22,400 --> 00:44:24,680 Speaker 1: eight people are still not gonna watch. I have to 852 00:44:24,760 --> 00:44:28,000 Speaker 1: push watch just to even get those two. What I 853 00:44:28,040 --> 00:44:30,040 Speaker 1: can never say is, hey, I get it, y'all. I 854 00:44:30,040 --> 00:44:31,479 Speaker 1: know y'a don't want me to bother with it because 855 00:44:31,520 --> 00:44:34,040 Speaker 1: guess what, all ten won't do it. So I'm always 856 00:44:34,040 --> 00:44:36,919 Speaker 1: looking at the numbers and trying to get as many 857 00:44:36,960 --> 00:44:39,280 Speaker 1: as possible because I already know I'm gonna fall short. 858 00:44:39,560 --> 00:44:42,680 Speaker 1: But if I give them a reason to escape, to leave, 859 00:44:43,080 --> 00:44:45,440 Speaker 1: to not do it, they won't do it. And they 860 00:44:45,440 --> 00:44:48,200 Speaker 1: have to be honest and say some people are triggered 861 00:44:48,800 --> 00:44:51,879 Speaker 1: from trauma, but also Natalie, there's some people that don't 862 00:44:51,920 --> 00:44:53,360 Speaker 1: want to be triggered because they don't want to have 863 00:44:53,400 --> 00:44:56,040 Speaker 1: to do a goddamn thing about it. When people get 864 00:44:56,040 --> 00:44:59,120 Speaker 1: triggered to say, damn, this is messed up, they don't 865 00:44:59,120 --> 00:45:01,399 Speaker 1: want to have to say what do I do about it? 866 00:45:01,560 --> 00:45:04,520 Speaker 1: They don't want the responsibility. Sometimes this is a cop 867 00:45:04,560 --> 00:45:07,360 Speaker 1: out for people to to It's called avoidance to be 868 00:45:07,400 --> 00:45:09,160 Speaker 1: able to say, well, you know what I don't want 869 00:45:09,160 --> 00:45:10,560 Speaker 1: to do. I give you an example, and I will 870 00:45:10,560 --> 00:45:12,360 Speaker 1: shut up because I know you gotta go. In five minutes, 871 00:45:12,880 --> 00:45:15,440 Speaker 1: we went to uh my family reunion. We went to 872 00:45:15,520 --> 00:45:20,759 Speaker 1: the plantation and some of the my family members. She said, 873 00:45:20,760 --> 00:45:22,760 Speaker 1: you know, I don't want to go get so emotional 874 00:45:22,800 --> 00:45:24,600 Speaker 1: for me. I can't take it. You know, I'll cry. 875 00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:26,600 Speaker 1: I can't do I don't want to do it for 876 00:45:26,680 --> 00:45:29,799 Speaker 1: me because I'm always on the ground. I couldn't wait 877 00:45:29,840 --> 00:45:32,200 Speaker 1: to go because I wanted to put my feet on 878 00:45:32,280 --> 00:45:35,480 Speaker 1: the soul. I wanted to feel the ancestors. I wanted 879 00:45:35,480 --> 00:45:37,759 Speaker 1: to know, Hey, this is why I'm fighting, this is 880 00:45:37,800 --> 00:45:40,279 Speaker 1: why I'm doing what I'm doing. It gave me motivation 881 00:45:40,560 --> 00:45:42,799 Speaker 1: because I'm getting up off my ass and doing something 882 00:45:42,800 --> 00:45:46,200 Speaker 1: about it. Some people don't want to go because if 883 00:45:46,239 --> 00:45:49,600 Speaker 1: those tears were my daddy called crocodile tears, if those 884 00:45:49,640 --> 00:45:53,320 Speaker 1: tears hit you and you claim you're soul emotional soul trauma, 885 00:45:53,560 --> 00:45:55,560 Speaker 1: but you're able to go home and put your head 886 00:45:55,560 --> 00:45:57,719 Speaker 1: in the sand and not do nothing, I don't give 887 00:45:57,719 --> 00:46:00,480 Speaker 1: a shit if it's nothing but saying something on Facebook, 888 00:46:00,719 --> 00:46:03,920 Speaker 1: sharing something, making a comment, maybe writing a letter to 889 00:46:03,920 --> 00:46:07,239 Speaker 1: your commissioner, one damn thing that you can do when 890 00:46:07,280 --> 00:46:10,799 Speaker 1: you are saying you're soul traumatized, that you can't do it. 891 00:46:10,920 --> 00:46:13,600 Speaker 1: But you can fill up your head most of the 892 00:46:13,640 --> 00:46:18,960 Speaker 1: week with bullshit. Bullshit means reality shows, junk jump music, 893 00:46:19,040 --> 00:46:23,759 Speaker 1: junk relationships, bullshit, toxicity everywhere, but you can't figure out 894 00:46:23,840 --> 00:46:26,000 Speaker 1: one thing to do to move our people forward. I'm 895 00:46:26,040 --> 00:46:28,440 Speaker 1: not buying that ship. What I'm buying is you are 896 00:46:28,480 --> 00:46:30,839 Speaker 1: sticking your head in the sand to use it as 897 00:46:30,880 --> 00:46:33,560 Speaker 1: an excuse to not get up off your ass, and 898 00:46:33,800 --> 00:46:35,799 Speaker 1: until we get up off our ass because I have 899 00:46:35,880 --> 00:46:37,799 Speaker 1: no faith in the police, I have no faith in 900 00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:40,719 Speaker 1: the system. I have faith in us. I'm betting on us. 901 00:46:40,920 --> 00:46:42,919 Speaker 1: I'm not praying for these people to change their mind 902 00:46:42,960 --> 00:46:45,400 Speaker 1: and their hearts. I'm praying that God gives us to 903 00:46:45,400 --> 00:46:47,759 Speaker 1: continue to give us the strength because if you and 904 00:46:47,800 --> 00:46:52,840 Speaker 1: I lose our minds tomorrow and there's nobody left to 905 00:46:52,880 --> 00:46:54,919 Speaker 1: fight this fight, because you can really lose your mind 906 00:46:55,000 --> 00:46:56,880 Speaker 1: being around this type of trauma all the time. My 907 00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,440 Speaker 1: friend asked me, so, how the hell do you do this? 908 00:46:58,680 --> 00:47:01,359 Speaker 1: How do you stay in this trauma all the time? Well, brother, 909 00:47:01,400 --> 00:47:03,600 Speaker 1: I need you paying attention, because if something happened to me, 910 00:47:03,719 --> 00:47:06,200 Speaker 1: who're gonna continue to run the ball? And that's where 911 00:47:06,239 --> 00:47:08,680 Speaker 1: we make the mistake newally, because we don't take the 912 00:47:08,719 --> 00:47:11,120 Speaker 1: time to educate ourselves. And that's why we don't do 913 00:47:11,200 --> 00:47:13,400 Speaker 1: jury selection, and that's why we don't know how to 914 00:47:13,400 --> 00:47:16,120 Speaker 1: be good witnesses, and that's why we don't know, you know, 915 00:47:16,360 --> 00:47:18,640 Speaker 1: how to move and navigate because we said, oh no, 916 00:47:18,719 --> 00:47:20,720 Speaker 1: it's just too much for us. And I just challenged 917 00:47:20,760 --> 00:47:23,680 Speaker 1: them sis that it's not always is no more than 918 00:47:23,719 --> 00:47:25,840 Speaker 1: what it was to George Floyd who lost his life. 919 00:47:26,040 --> 00:47:28,040 Speaker 1: If he could lose his life to make the goddamn 920 00:47:28,080 --> 00:47:30,200 Speaker 1: sacrifice and read an article at least one time, and 921 00:47:30,280 --> 00:47:43,360 Speaker 1: we do something, make the sacrifice, and I love it. 922 00:47:42,840 --> 00:47:48,360 Speaker 1: And I'm gonna go handle some down. Were you already 923 00:47:48,400 --> 00:47:50,320 Speaker 1: doing something? But I just wanted to make that clear. 924 00:47:50,400 --> 00:47:53,040 Speaker 1: We don't want to give no excuses. I need my 925 00:47:53,080 --> 00:47:55,440 Speaker 1: people as we close up. I need my people on 926 00:47:55,560 --> 00:47:58,840 Speaker 1: board and the audacity of us to sit back in 927 00:47:58,880 --> 00:48:02,960 Speaker 1: our comfortable couches and houses and and making money. This 928 00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,680 Speaker 1: generation is certainly doing better than the last and the 929 00:48:05,680 --> 00:48:08,600 Speaker 1: one before that and before that. And we have seen change. 930 00:48:08,880 --> 00:48:12,040 Speaker 1: And it's not fair and intellectually dishonest to say that 931 00:48:12,160 --> 00:48:15,759 Speaker 1: nothing has changed, because just last year one cities put 932 00:48:15,800 --> 00:48:19,560 Speaker 1: new policy in place. That's a fact. Colorado has ended 933 00:48:19,640 --> 00:48:23,480 Speaker 1: qualified immunity. New York City has ended qualified immunity. Some 934 00:48:23,560 --> 00:48:26,200 Speaker 1: things have changed. Is not changing as fast as we want. 935 00:48:26,560 --> 00:48:28,680 Speaker 1: Say that. On two of the cases that I worked on, 936 00:48:28,719 --> 00:48:31,000 Speaker 1: In one of the ones I'm working on with being cropped, 937 00:48:31,239 --> 00:48:35,520 Speaker 1: we have in Florida, we have gotten policies where police 938 00:48:35,560 --> 00:48:38,840 Speaker 1: can't shoot into cars. That's right. That is that it 939 00:48:39,040 --> 00:48:41,760 Speaker 1: is changed. You are You're absolutely right, and it's worked 940 00:48:42,200 --> 00:48:45,279 Speaker 1: and it's amazing that you still have police officers that 941 00:48:45,520 --> 00:48:48,560 Speaker 1: police departments that are still training that they can shoot 942 00:48:48,560 --> 00:48:52,000 Speaker 1: in the cars moving cars. Imagine how dangerous that is, 943 00:48:52,040 --> 00:48:55,600 Speaker 1: just two people who might be there. That's right, And 944 00:48:55,920 --> 00:48:58,600 Speaker 1: what I found when people say, oh, you know, nothing's changing, 945 00:48:58,640 --> 00:49:00,879 Speaker 1: so funking, I'm just not gonna watch it. That's why 946 00:49:00,880 --> 00:49:03,839 Speaker 1: it's so important for us to talk about No, this 947 00:49:03,880 --> 00:49:06,360 Speaker 1: is actually what's what's changing. This is making a difference 948 00:49:06,400 --> 00:49:08,680 Speaker 1: because they'll hear that advice and actually quicker than they 949 00:49:08,680 --> 00:49:12,200 Speaker 1: will challenging them to do something today. I know that 950 00:49:12,280 --> 00:49:18,120 Speaker 1: expert ain't getting normal job. Well, the racist he might, 951 00:49:18,200 --> 00:49:20,000 Speaker 1: he might the racist might bring him in all over 952 00:49:20,040 --> 00:49:23,040 Speaker 1: the country to to to be a thing speaking engagement, 953 00:49:23,160 --> 00:49:28,799 Speaker 1: but he ain't getting no expert expert um testifying jobs. Right, 954 00:49:28,880 --> 00:49:33,680 Speaker 1: you estimate you can't estivate races and their donation. I'll 955 00:49:33,719 --> 00:49:35,799 Speaker 1: say this and then I'm truly off the soapbox. You 956 00:49:35,840 --> 00:49:38,480 Speaker 1: know how I know it changes even in this situation. Marcy, 957 00:49:38,600 --> 00:49:43,240 Speaker 1: my producer, has said multiple times she wanted to produce 958 00:49:43,239 --> 00:49:46,840 Speaker 1: a show like this that was about change and important. 959 00:49:47,160 --> 00:49:49,680 Speaker 1: But even her just by being a part of this, 960 00:49:49,760 --> 00:49:51,839 Speaker 1: she said, test I really it got to the point 961 00:49:51,880 --> 00:49:53,879 Speaker 1: where I was like, there's no point in voting. What's 962 00:49:53,880 --> 00:49:57,800 Speaker 1: the difference. But by being exposed, this is a highly 963 00:49:57,840 --> 00:50:01,120 Speaker 1: intelligent woman fight the power to the highest level of 964 00:50:01,360 --> 00:50:05,120 Speaker 1: the power. But even by being exposed to more information, 965 00:50:05,400 --> 00:50:08,520 Speaker 1: you're able to say, Okay, my my work is not 966 00:50:08,600 --> 00:50:11,080 Speaker 1: in vain. And I think we spend a lot of 967 00:50:11,120 --> 00:50:14,600 Speaker 1: time selling the idea that it it never happened. You 968 00:50:14,680 --> 00:50:16,560 Speaker 1: and I are motivated to do it all the time, 969 00:50:16,600 --> 00:50:18,520 Speaker 1: but the average person says, you know what, it doesn't then, 970 00:50:18,600 --> 00:50:21,319 Speaker 1: so fucking no point. And and we just really need 971 00:50:21,360 --> 00:50:23,840 Speaker 1: them on board because had they not been on board, 972 00:50:23,920 --> 00:50:27,160 Speaker 1: And I give your flowers again as we close, what 973 00:50:27,320 --> 00:50:30,760 Speaker 1: you did with the trade bond Martin case that educated 974 00:50:30,800 --> 00:50:34,239 Speaker 1: this last generation plus. And that is why you see 975 00:50:34,280 --> 00:50:37,000 Speaker 1: the witnesses that you see now that you did not 976 00:50:37,120 --> 00:50:40,359 Speaker 1: see them. That is why the witness was able to say, Hey, 977 00:50:40,520 --> 00:50:42,399 Speaker 1: I'm not gonna let you make me angry black man. 978 00:50:42,640 --> 00:50:44,960 Speaker 1: Where did that conversation come from? Came? Where did that 979 00:50:45,040 --> 00:50:47,640 Speaker 1: line come from? It came from the movement when that 980 00:50:47,800 --> 00:50:50,600 Speaker 1: late when the white girl said, the police are always 981 00:50:50,600 --> 00:50:53,560 Speaker 1: messing with somebody and it's not right. What I would 982 00:50:53,560 --> 00:50:55,680 Speaker 1: have asked the strike, but they let it ride when 983 00:50:55,719 --> 00:50:58,720 Speaker 1: she said, and it's not right. That came from education, 984 00:50:58,760 --> 00:51:01,920 Speaker 1: from the movement. Otherwise you would have never known that. 985 00:51:02,440 --> 00:51:05,480 Speaker 1: So this is why we have to stay involved. Set 986 00:51:05,520 --> 00:51:09,000 Speaker 1: your trauma aside and think about the trauma of the 987 00:51:09,040 --> 00:51:13,279 Speaker 1: collective or the trauma that cannock at your door, and 988 00:51:13,320 --> 00:51:15,560 Speaker 1: take your life or your friends life to at least 989 00:51:15,600 --> 00:51:18,000 Speaker 1: get some education. I get it. You don't want to 990 00:51:18,000 --> 00:51:20,520 Speaker 1: see a man keep getting killed on video over and over. 991 00:51:20,520 --> 00:51:24,000 Speaker 1: That's understandable. Hit the mute button in and chime back 992 00:51:24,000 --> 00:51:25,160 Speaker 1: in at the end of the day and at least 993 00:51:25,160 --> 00:51:27,480 Speaker 1: listen to the commentary wrap up you know, on what 994 00:51:27,640 --> 00:51:30,719 Speaker 1: actually happened, because we have to stay educated. Thank you, sis, 995 00:51:31,080 --> 00:51:33,560 Speaker 1: thank you for letting me on this shot was well. 996 00:51:33,600 --> 00:51:35,399 Speaker 1: I wouldn't let you do nothing because you're my big 997 00:51:35,440 --> 00:51:38,600 Speaker 1: sisters or whatever. You say. Go the education and a sermon, 998 00:51:38,680 --> 00:51:41,359 Speaker 1: and I love you for it. That's the chance I know, Yo, 999 00:51:41,680 --> 00:51:44,040 Speaker 1: I love you, and thank you so much for educating 1000 00:51:44,080 --> 00:51:46,520 Speaker 1: understand Lee and not just us. I really want people 1001 00:51:46,560 --> 00:51:48,600 Speaker 1: to know. You spend an exorbitan amount of time just 1002 00:51:48,640 --> 00:51:51,359 Speaker 1: trying to get people to understand, not paid for it. 1003 00:51:51,480 --> 00:51:53,040 Speaker 1: You are just you spend a whole lot. You know, 1004 00:51:53,080 --> 00:51:54,320 Speaker 1: I'll tell you all the time. Now let's put that 1005 00:51:54,360 --> 00:51:56,880 Speaker 1: on the blog. You educating folks on Facebook, writing books. 1006 00:51:57,320 --> 00:52:00,080 Speaker 1: But I want to be clear you also understand and 1007 00:52:00,120 --> 00:52:02,279 Speaker 1: how important it is that people have the right information. 1008 00:52:02,680 --> 00:52:04,640 Speaker 1: So I want to make that clear. Well, you and 1009 00:52:04,680 --> 00:52:06,759 Speaker 1: I are the same with that, and so thank you 1010 00:52:06,800 --> 00:52:08,719 Speaker 1: for coming by. We're gonna talk to you again next 1011 00:52:08,719 --> 00:52:10,120 Speaker 1: week and by then, by the time we have you 1012 00:52:10,120 --> 00:52:12,279 Speaker 1: back on, they should have the closing arguments at that time. 1013 00:52:12,560 --> 00:52:15,040 Speaker 1: So guys, make sure that you follow and follow Natalie 1014 00:52:15,120 --> 00:52:17,799 Speaker 1: as well. Check her out. She's been everywhere seeing in 1015 00:52:17,880 --> 00:52:20,960 Speaker 1: court TV. She's everywhere. I'm so excited because she's never 1016 00:52:21,000 --> 00:52:23,560 Speaker 1: been a person that runs towards the camera, but she 1017 00:52:23,600 --> 00:52:27,720 Speaker 1: absolutely should because the one she's beautiful inside now, beautiful spirit, 1018 00:52:28,000 --> 00:52:30,160 Speaker 1: and more importantly, you just have a wealth of knowledge. 1019 00:52:30,320 --> 00:52:32,840 Speaker 1: So thank you again since for kicking off this movement. 1020 00:52:33,280 --> 00:52:35,640 Speaker 1: I know we've had a lot of civil rights stuff done, 1021 00:52:36,239 --> 00:52:40,040 Speaker 1: but we cannot omit. The murder of Trayvon Martin kicked 1022 00:52:40,080 --> 00:52:45,200 Speaker 1: off this generation um with understanding the importance of how 1023 00:52:45,239 --> 00:52:47,480 Speaker 1: this thing works, and you are a part of that. 1024 00:52:47,760 --> 00:52:49,520 Speaker 1: We're a part of that still a part of that, 1025 00:52:49,760 --> 00:52:52,879 Speaker 1: and you're a queen and we love you. Thank you, 1026 00:52:53,080 --> 00:52:56,560 Speaker 1: thank you. If you like what you heard on straight 1027 00:52:56,600 --> 00:52:59,719 Speaker 1: Shot No Chaser, please subscribe and dropify, star review, and 1028 00:52:59,760 --> 00:53:02,319 Speaker 1: tell friends. 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