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Speaker 1: Call Zone Media. Welcome toek it happened here. I'm your host,

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Speaker 1: Miya Wong. When we last left the story of Tieneman one,

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Speaker 1: Vladimir Ilios Lenin had, in theory, crushed the last remnants

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Speaker 1: of the faction of the worker's movement that actually wanted

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Speaker 1: democracy to extend into the factories. Unfortunately for the Leninists,

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Speaker 1: no matter how many workers they killed, the demand for

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Speaker 1: democracy in the factory simply refused to die for over

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Speaker 1: one hundred years. The development of the mass factory system

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Speaker 1: and the logistical infrastructure necessary to support it, perhaps most importantly,

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Speaker 1: coal mines and the railroads used to transport that coal,

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Speaker 1: generated an especially militant working class that saw democratic control

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Speaker 1: over the workplace as a fundamental aspect of its liberation. Ideologically,

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Speaker 1: as the Journal and Notes pointed out, this man infested

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Speaker 1: in a series of interlocking beliefs about the nature of

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Speaker 1: the working class and class society, all of which were

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Speaker 1: necessary for the instinctive formation of workers councils to manifest

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Speaker 1: themselves in moments of revolutionary crisis. In the midst of

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Speaker 1: the rapid technological expansions of the Second and Third Industrial revolutions,

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Speaker 1: workers came to see themselves as the creators of the

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Speaker 1: new world. This produced the second belief that drove the

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Speaker 1: classical workers movement. The producers of this new world should

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Speaker 1: also be its inheritors. Thus, the goal of the worker's

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Speaker 1: movement was to take control of production in itself and

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Speaker 1: manage it for the common benefit of workers themselves. These

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Speaker 1: two beliefs in and of themselves were not unique to

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Speaker 1: the democratic wing of the workers movement. They broadly comprised

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Speaker 1: the ideology of the movement as a whole, and by

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Speaker 1: this point the workers movement was extremely broad, stretching from

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Speaker 1: social democratic trade unionists the intellectual heads of the laf

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Speaker 1: Leninist vanguard parties. What made the democratic wing unique was

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Speaker 1: its concern with the fundamental alienation of factory life, with

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Speaker 1: the condition of being reduced to an object by bosses

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Speaker 1: who simply used workers as human tools. For the Leninists

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Speaker 1: and social Democrats, alienation was simply a product of ownership

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Speaker 1: or distribution. The liberation of the working class would be

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Speaker 1: found in its productive capacity, not in its innate humanity

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Speaker 1: and creativity. Before the democratic wing of the Workers movement,

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Speaker 1: this solved nothing as long as the fundamental reduction from

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Speaker 1: human to object that characterized one man rule in the

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Speaker 1: factory persisted. Changes in owners of structure and health benefits

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Speaker 1: missed the entire point that degradation could only be solved

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Speaker 1: by returning agency and autonomy to the working class, by

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Speaker 1: giving it the class itself control over the production process

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Speaker 1: that for so long had controlled them. In nineteen thirty six,

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Speaker 1: Spanish workers decided to take matters into their own hands

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Speaker 1: and seized control over their workplace's end mass. The Spanish Revolution,

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Speaker 1: as it later became known, would become the largest and

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Speaker 1: most extensive experiment in democratic worker self management before or since.

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Speaker 1: Everything from public utilities to bakeries, to hospitals to shoe

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Speaker 1: factories fell under the control of the direct democratic unions,

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Speaker 1: and once their former bosses had been chased from the premises,

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Speaker 1: the workers set about transforming the entirety of Spanish society

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Speaker 1: along democratic lines, pulling their resources collectively and allocating them

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Speaker 1: democratically for the benefits of everyone. For a brief moment,

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Speaker 1: the triumphant experiments in democratic self management delivered on its promises.

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Speaker 1: Output increased dramatically, social services were expanded, and the workers

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Speaker 1: of Spain, by their own self organization developed a universal

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Speaker 1: health care system that radically expanded service into rural areas

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Speaker 1: where KERR was previously inaccessible. But the revolution had begun

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Speaker 1: amidst the Violet Civil War in Spain and under the

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Speaker 1: guise of an anti fascist alliance, Liberal socialist and stoutist

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Speaker 1: forces brutally stamped out any attempt at democratic self management

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Speaker 1: war to the fascist armies of Francisco Franco. Undeterred by

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Speaker 1: the mounting casualty tolls of pro managerial massacres, revolutionary workers

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Speaker 1: formed workers' councils and mass factory assemblies once again in

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Speaker 1: Hungary in nineteen fifty six, and then again in Italy,

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Speaker 1: France and Czechoslovakia in nineteen sixty eight. Hungary in particular

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Speaker 1: is an interesting revolution because over the years it has

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Speaker 1: been subjected to so much of the same liberal mythologization

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Speaker 1: you get with gienemen, but this time even worse. The

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Speaker 1: Hungarian Revolution is remembered as a liberal democratic revolution. We

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Speaker 1: talked to the actual people who did the revolution. They

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Speaker 1: were saying things like, and this is a direct quote

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Speaker 1: time when the boss decided our fate is over. In reality,

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Speaker 1: far from simply instituting liberal democratic democracy, Hungarian workers seized

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Speaker 1: control of their factories and workplaces, forward workers' councils, and

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Speaker 1: overthrew the governments before Russian tanks slaughtered them. This was

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Speaker 1: not a liberal democratic revolution at all. Almost identical revolts

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Speaker 1: They spread everywhere, and to the dismay of capitalists and

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Speaker 1: communists alike. The development and implementation of the democratic solution

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Speaker 1: to alienation these revolts provided was largely instinctual, and it

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Speaker 1: often emerged in places without established workers' movements and their

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Speaker 1: political education effects. Typical of such movements was the course

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Speaker 1: of the revolution in Algeria. The political education Algerian workers

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Speaker 1: had received was from the nationalist vanguardist National Liberation Front

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Speaker 1: French colonizers. The afalen's ideology emphasized the decisive role of

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Speaker 1: the state in national development. Upon taking power, however, Ahmed

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Speaker 1: ben Bella, Algeria's first president, discovered the question of the

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Speaker 1: economic structure of Algeria had already been answered for him.

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Speaker 1: Production would be managed by democratic workers councils built on

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Speaker 1: the properties seized by Algerian workers after the mass exodus

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Speaker 1: of French settlers who fled the country following independents left

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Speaker 1: much of their property uninhabited. Then Bella's administration took a

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Speaker 1: page out of Lenin's book and publicly supported the councils

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Speaker 1: while privately undermining them, But the whole dispute was made

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Speaker 1: irrelevance by a military coup two years later that dismantled

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Speaker 1: Even by the late seventies, it was by no means

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Speaker 1: clear that one man rule in the factory would triumph

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Speaker 1: as a political system. Workers and students almost took Italy

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Speaker 1: in nineteen seventy seven, and the CNT, the anarchist union

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Speaker 1: that had led so much of the Spanish Revolution, reappeared

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Speaker 1: in the late nineteen seventies, it really looked like they

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Speaker 1: were going to do it. The persistence of these revolts

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Speaker 1: in the face of pure military repression caused capitalist managery

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Speaker 1: that produced the democratic revolts without giving up their power.

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Speaker 1: As author and friend of the show, Viciostre Wilde points out,

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Speaker 1: the instinctive embrace of democracy in the factory was only

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Speaker 1: a kind of dark agra that at once both exploited

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Speaker 1: workers and facilitated the interactions that allowed them to identify

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Speaker 1: collective meaning. Thus, the fundamental thrust of the attack against

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Speaker 1: formation and as a space that could be seen in

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Speaker 1: any way as liberatory. This assault took a number of forms,

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Speaker 1: most famously deindustrialization itself, as well as a spatial relocation

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Speaker 1: The quote unquote democratization of finance replaced the democratization of

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Speaker 1: not the working class as a whole. Worst of all,

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Speaker 1: to get the upper hand, capitalists could simply move elsewhere.

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Speaker 1: As the total size of the industrial working class contracted,

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Speaker 1: anti democratic counter revolution to succeed, it needed somewhere to

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Speaker 1: The capitalist class found that answer in China in the

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Speaker 1: in nineteen forty nine. The Chinese factory system was extremely

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Speaker 1: People's entire social sphere was built around their work units,

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Speaker 1: ideological work and a parentalistic, semi democratic system for determining

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Speaker 1: Cultural Revolution completely wrong. The initial targets of the Cultural

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Speaker 1: had made bird feeders before the revolution. It was as

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Speaker 1: that was literally not their fault at all. They had

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Speaker 1: initial stages of the Cultural Revolution were largely driven by

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Speaker 1: out of Mao's control entirely and produced what's called January Storm,

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Speaker 1: do with, you know, this New Revolutionary Shanghai quote when

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Speaker 1: asked whether the New leadership should be elected from the

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Speaker 1: bottom up. Joe and Lai bluntly replied that quote, anarchism

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