1 00:00:04,840 --> 00:00:07,800 Speaker 1: On this episode of newts World. In his new book 2 00:00:08,440 --> 00:00:13,000 Speaker 1: The Invisible Coup, Peter Schweitzer, the best selling investigative journalist 3 00:00:13,039 --> 00:00:15,760 Speaker 1: of our time, is blowing the lid off a whole 4 00:00:15,840 --> 00:00:20,480 Speaker 1: series of schemes. For decades, establishment elites sold us the 5 00:00:20,480 --> 00:00:24,960 Speaker 1: story of immigration as a compassionate renewal of the American 6 00:00:25,079 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 1: dream within a harmonious melting pot. But beneath that narrative 7 00:00:30,440 --> 00:00:34,839 Speaker 1: lies a different reality. Mass migration has more often the 8 00:00:34,840 --> 00:00:38,720 Speaker 1: most powerful political weapon ever aimed at the United States, 9 00:00:39,120 --> 00:00:42,960 Speaker 1: one engineered by elites at home and aided by adversaries abroad. 10 00:00:44,159 --> 00:00:47,519 Speaker 1: Backed by years of forensic fieldwork and a trove of 11 00:00:47,600 --> 00:00:53,800 Speaker 1: confidential documents and intercepting communications linking political leaders, global non 12 00:00:53,840 --> 00:01:13,520 Speaker 1: governmental organizations, and even drug cartels, Schweizer detonates a political shock. Peter, 13 00:01:13,760 --> 00:01:16,679 Speaker 1: welcome and thank you for joining me again on New World. 14 00:01:17,480 --> 00:01:19,360 Speaker 2: Always great to be with you. Nud, thanks so much 15 00:01:19,360 --> 00:01:19,880 Speaker 2: for having me. 16 00:01:20,480 --> 00:01:23,280 Speaker 1: You are remarkable in the books i've early years. You 17 00:01:23,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 1: have this ability to investigate that's very rare, and you 18 00:01:27,400 --> 00:01:31,280 Speaker 1: do it really well. An Invisible Coup. You argue that 19 00:01:31,319 --> 00:01:35,760 Speaker 1: immigration itself isn't the problem, but that America's generosity is 20 00:01:35,800 --> 00:01:38,319 Speaker 1: being turned against us. What do you mean by that? 21 00:01:39,280 --> 00:01:42,040 Speaker 2: Yeah, I mean when we think about immigration in this country, 22 00:01:42,080 --> 00:01:44,720 Speaker 2: we tend to look back one hundred years, even fifty 23 00:01:44,800 --> 00:01:48,360 Speaker 2: years and see it as largely this organic movement of 24 00:01:48,440 --> 00:01:50,640 Speaker 2: people who are seeking a better life, who want to 25 00:01:50,680 --> 00:01:54,280 Speaker 2: embrace the American dream. What we're experiencing today is what 26 00:01:54,320 --> 00:01:57,520 Speaker 2: I call weaponized migration. Yes, you do have people that 27 00:01:57,600 --> 00:02:01,160 Speaker 2: are still coming to the United States with those aspirations, 28 00:02:01,240 --> 00:02:05,640 Speaker 2: but it's really being directed by these foreign governments and 29 00:02:05,720 --> 00:02:09,400 Speaker 2: foreign organizations that when the migrants come here, they not 30 00:02:09,560 --> 00:02:13,080 Speaker 2: only bring themselves their family, their culture, and their language, 31 00:02:13,200 --> 00:02:16,760 Speaker 2: they also bring with them political networks. And our adversaries 32 00:02:16,800 --> 00:02:20,640 Speaker 2: and enemies are exploiting this. They don't want immigrants to 33 00:02:20,680 --> 00:02:23,040 Speaker 2: come here and assimilate. There are a lot of NGOs 34 00:02:23,200 --> 00:02:26,400 Speaker 2: organizations that don't want them to assimilate, and they see 35 00:02:26,440 --> 00:02:29,200 Speaker 2: this as a weapon, as it were, to be used 36 00:02:29,200 --> 00:02:31,760 Speaker 2: against the United States. And they actually had a test 37 00:02:31,840 --> 00:02:34,960 Speaker 2: run back in nineteen eighty with the Mariel boat lift, 38 00:02:35,000 --> 00:02:37,560 Speaker 2: and that really inspired, I think a lot of what 39 00:02:37,639 --> 00:02:38,680 Speaker 2: we're facing today. 40 00:02:39,320 --> 00:02:42,000 Speaker 1: I remember this I was a freshman in Congress and 41 00:02:42,120 --> 00:02:45,760 Speaker 1: it actually defeated or was a big factor in defeating 42 00:02:45,760 --> 00:02:48,880 Speaker 1: Bill Clinton for re election to governor because a number 43 00:02:48,880 --> 00:02:51,120 Speaker 1: of those people ended up in a prison in Arkansas, 44 00:02:51,520 --> 00:02:54,760 Speaker 1: and our Kansas were just furious. I think this is 45 00:02:54,800 --> 00:02:57,120 Speaker 1: so seminal. Can you just take a min or to 46 00:02:57,200 --> 00:03:01,119 Speaker 1: and explain the context of the Mario boat and how 47 00:03:01,120 --> 00:03:01,760 Speaker 1: it happened. 48 00:03:02,639 --> 00:03:05,680 Speaker 2: The Mario boatlift happened in the spring of nineteen eighty 49 00:03:05,840 --> 00:03:10,200 Speaker 2: and essentially, there was discontent in Fidel Castro's Cuba. Some 50 00:03:10,240 --> 00:03:13,600 Speaker 2: people wanted to go. There was a small trickle of 51 00:03:13,639 --> 00:03:17,400 Speaker 2: people that were leaving, and Jimmy Carter announced that he 52 00:03:17,560 --> 00:03:21,200 Speaker 2: was going to welcome them with open arms, to which 53 00:03:21,280 --> 00:03:24,919 Speaker 2: Fidel Castro retorted that I'm going to fill his arms 54 00:03:24,960 --> 00:03:28,919 Speaker 2: with human excrement. I won't use the word that Castro used. 55 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:31,520 Speaker 2: And what they did was they opened up the prisons, 56 00:03:32,000 --> 00:03:37,119 Speaker 2: they opened up the psychiatric wards. They got intelligence officers 57 00:03:37,320 --> 00:03:40,880 Speaker 2: and embedded them within the Mario boat lift. So it 58 00:03:40,960 --> 00:03:44,160 Speaker 2: arrived in the United States, where yes, there were some refugees, 59 00:03:44,240 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 2: but there are also a lot of psychopaths, a lot 60 00:03:47,000 --> 00:03:51,240 Speaker 2: of criminals, criminal gang organizations that had been established, and 61 00:03:51,280 --> 00:03:54,760 Speaker 2: intelligence officers that were doing the bidding of the Cuban government. 62 00:03:55,360 --> 00:03:58,800 Speaker 2: And that summer of nineteen eighty, when this was unfolding, 63 00:04:00,000 --> 00:04:05,320 Speaker 2: Eustro went to Nicaragua Managua, Nicaragua and met with Daniel Ortega, 64 00:04:05,320 --> 00:04:08,240 Speaker 2: who had been in power for basically a year, and 65 00:04:08,280 --> 00:04:11,080 Speaker 2: there were other leftists from Latin America there as well, 66 00:04:11,120 --> 00:04:14,960 Speaker 2: including Lula de Silva, the now President of Brazil. Back 67 00:04:14,960 --> 00:04:18,719 Speaker 2: then he was a radical activist, and Castro recounted to 68 00:04:18,960 --> 00:04:23,039 Speaker 2: Ortaga and Lula and others the great success he was 69 00:04:23,160 --> 00:04:27,960 Speaker 2: having in the weaponization of immigration. What's interesting, I think 70 00:04:28,160 --> 00:04:32,559 Speaker 2: is that both Daniel Ortega and Lula would figure very 71 00:04:32,680 --> 00:04:37,160 Speaker 2: large in what happened under Joe Biden, the massed exodus 72 00:04:37,160 --> 00:04:40,360 Speaker 2: that came to the United States, the sant Denisas in Nicaragua, 73 00:04:40,480 --> 00:04:45,080 Speaker 2: Daniel Ortega created this stepping stone where it's estimated maybe 74 00:04:45,160 --> 00:04:47,560 Speaker 2: a million and a half people from around the world 75 00:04:47,680 --> 00:04:50,599 Speaker 2: flew to Managua and then would walk up and cross 76 00:04:50,640 --> 00:04:54,599 Speaker 2: the American border. But to put this in strategic context 77 00:04:54,720 --> 00:04:59,279 Speaker 2: terms new there was a study done by federal and 78 00:04:59,400 --> 00:05:03,640 Speaker 2: State of officials looking at the most successful attacks on 79 00:05:03,760 --> 00:05:07,800 Speaker 2: the United States in American history. Their conclusion was the 80 00:05:07,880 --> 00:05:11,640 Speaker 2: three most successful attacks were the nine to eleven strike, 81 00:05:12,160 --> 00:05:15,200 Speaker 2: the attack on Pearl Harbor, and the third one was 82 00:05:15,279 --> 00:05:18,640 Speaker 2: the Mariel boat Lift in terms of the sheer damage 83 00:05:19,000 --> 00:05:22,159 Speaker 2: and violence that it caused in the United States. But 84 00:05:22,240 --> 00:05:24,920 Speaker 2: what's interesting new when you look at those three incidents. 85 00:05:24,960 --> 00:05:28,680 Speaker 2: What happened after nine to eleven we basically destroyed Al Kada. 86 00:05:29,320 --> 00:05:33,040 Speaker 2: What happened after Pearl Harbor, we destroyed the Japanese Empire. 87 00:05:33,720 --> 00:05:38,440 Speaker 2: What happened after the Mariel boat lift? Nothing? Because when 88 00:05:38,440 --> 00:05:42,840 Speaker 2: you use migration as a weapon, there's nothing really to bomb. 89 00:05:42,960 --> 00:05:45,640 Speaker 2: That's what makes it, I think, such a powerful tool 90 00:05:45,720 --> 00:05:48,040 Speaker 2: and why it is being deployed against US today. 91 00:05:48,600 --> 00:05:51,159 Speaker 1: One of the points you make is the wavy on 92 00:05:51,240 --> 00:05:55,080 Speaker 1: Cuba that there are now fifty consults, are more than 93 00:05:55,120 --> 00:06:00,640 Speaker 1: fifty consults of Mexico scattered across the United States. To 94 00:06:00,720 --> 00:06:06,400 Speaker 1: what extent is this a conscious Mexican strategy to try 95 00:06:06,440 --> 00:06:09,840 Speaker 1: to and effect infiltrate the American system. 96 00:06:10,400 --> 00:06:12,240 Speaker 2: I think it is a conscious effort. I'll tell you. 97 00:06:12,279 --> 00:06:14,880 Speaker 2: One of the most startling things in my research that 98 00:06:14,920 --> 00:06:20,200 Speaker 2: I ran across were dozens of statements from senior Mexican 99 00:06:20,240 --> 00:06:23,560 Speaker 2: officials about how they view mass migration. I want to 100 00:06:23,560 --> 00:06:26,560 Speaker 2: read a couple of them new just because to make clear, 101 00:06:26,640 --> 00:06:29,719 Speaker 2: this is not me positing this, This is not a hypothesis. 102 00:06:30,160 --> 00:06:32,000 Speaker 2: This is what they say. The first one is from 103 00:06:32,000 --> 00:06:36,080 Speaker 2: me December twenty twenty four report by Gabriela Rodriguez in 104 00:06:36,160 --> 00:06:39,400 Speaker 2: an official report one of the top advisors to President 105 00:06:39,400 --> 00:06:42,880 Speaker 2: Schinbaum of Mexico. She wrote, quote, we already know that 106 00:06:42,920 --> 00:06:45,920 Speaker 2: the Mexican population in the United States reaches thirty nine 107 00:06:45,960 --> 00:06:51,320 Speaker 2: point nine million. We Mexicans are reclaiming our territory. Or 108 00:06:51,360 --> 00:06:55,320 Speaker 2: this other one from a Mexican senator, Salgado. He is 109 00:06:55,400 --> 00:06:58,600 Speaker 2: a senior senator. He sits on the National Defense Committee, 110 00:06:58,600 --> 00:07:00,760 Speaker 2: which is the most powerful committee in the Mexican Senate. 111 00:07:01,040 --> 00:07:03,960 Speaker 2: He's with the Marina Party, the ruling party. He says, 112 00:07:03,960 --> 00:07:09,800 Speaker 2: and I quote, Mexicans are in our territory California, Nevada, Texas, Utah, 113 00:07:09,920 --> 00:07:15,240 Speaker 2: New Mexico, Arizona, Kansas, Oklahoma, Colorado, and Wyoming. We're going 114 00:07:15,280 --> 00:07:18,000 Speaker 2: to take back the territory that was stolen from us. 115 00:07:18,600 --> 00:07:21,160 Speaker 2: I could read dozens of quotes like that to you 116 00:07:21,320 --> 00:07:24,720 Speaker 2: from senior people in Mexico, and when I first ran 117 00:07:24,760 --> 00:07:27,640 Speaker 2: across these new I thought, you know, this is just bravado, right, 118 00:07:27,720 --> 00:07:31,120 Speaker 2: this is just sort of making exaggerated claims. But then 119 00:07:31,160 --> 00:07:34,840 Speaker 2: when you look at the infrastructure that Mexico has in 120 00:07:34,920 --> 00:07:38,440 Speaker 2: the United States and how they're using that infrastructure, it's 121 00:07:38,720 --> 00:07:43,080 Speaker 2: very clear that they are already exerting elements of sovereignty 122 00:07:43,120 --> 00:07:45,840 Speaker 2: within the borders of the United States. So what do 123 00:07:45,880 --> 00:07:48,560 Speaker 2: I mean by that? One of the things I discovered 124 00:07:48,720 --> 00:07:52,080 Speaker 2: is that Mexico has in the United States more than 125 00:07:52,120 --> 00:07:56,240 Speaker 2: a dozen senators and members of the Chamber of Deputies 126 00:07:56,360 --> 00:08:01,720 Speaker 2: their Congress elected Mexican officials who live inside the United States. 127 00:08:02,200 --> 00:08:04,480 Speaker 2: Why do they live inside the United States because their 128 00:08:04,560 --> 00:08:09,800 Speaker 2: job is to represent Mexicans living in our borders before 129 00:08:09,880 --> 00:08:13,600 Speaker 2: the Mexican Parliament. That to me is a clear intrusion 130 00:08:13,800 --> 00:08:16,440 Speaker 2: into our sovereignty, and I think is part of this 131 00:08:16,480 --> 00:08:20,640 Speaker 2: effort to reclaim the United States. Do they think California 132 00:08:20,800 --> 00:08:24,400 Speaker 2: is going to become a state of Mexico. I don't know. 133 00:08:24,520 --> 00:08:28,160 Speaker 2: One of these migrant senators is introduced a bill suggesting 134 00:08:28,320 --> 00:08:31,600 Speaker 2: just that, but they clearly believe that allows them to 135 00:08:31,800 --> 00:08:37,319 Speaker 2: establish greater political sovereignty and influence within the United States. 136 00:08:37,679 --> 00:08:40,760 Speaker 2: In addition to this network of elected officials, they also 137 00:08:40,840 --> 00:08:44,320 Speaker 2: have this vast network of consulates the United Kingdom and 138 00:08:44,400 --> 00:08:48,920 Speaker 2: China have six and seven consulates respectively. In the United States, 139 00:08:49,200 --> 00:08:52,760 Speaker 2: Mexico has fifty three. In fact, they have four in Arizona, 140 00:08:52,800 --> 00:08:55,080 Speaker 2: which is almost as many as the UK has in 141 00:08:55,120 --> 00:08:59,719 Speaker 2: the entire country. And what I discovered is that these consulates, 142 00:08:59,760 --> 00:09:04,040 Speaker 2: in a addition to stamping visas, they are involved in 143 00:09:04,240 --> 00:09:08,240 Speaker 2: domestic partisan politics in the United States. They're actively working 144 00:09:08,280 --> 00:09:13,120 Speaker 2: to prevent Trump from achieving his objectives. They actively work 145 00:09:13,200 --> 00:09:15,880 Speaker 2: to try to prevent his election in twenty twenty four, 146 00:09:16,440 --> 00:09:20,080 Speaker 2: and there's evidence that these consular officials are involved in 147 00:09:20,120 --> 00:09:26,320 Speaker 2: these anti ice protests. So Mexico very clearly has taken 148 00:09:26,480 --> 00:09:30,360 Speaker 2: steps to try to make the migrants in the United 149 00:09:30,440 --> 00:09:33,800 Speaker 2: States into a political force that can be beneficial to 150 00:09:33,840 --> 00:09:35,439 Speaker 2: what they call Greater Mexico. 151 00:09:35,840 --> 00:09:40,520 Speaker 1: I mean, you're describing sort of a strategy which doesn't 152 00:09:40,559 --> 00:09:43,280 Speaker 1: recognize national borders, correct. 153 00:09:43,679 --> 00:09:47,120 Speaker 2: Correct. In fact, one of the things that President Shimam 154 00:09:47,160 --> 00:09:51,080 Speaker 2: has done is she had commissioned a song called the 155 00:09:51,200 --> 00:09:55,520 Speaker 2: Migrant Hymn, and this is a song specifically about Mexican 156 00:09:55,559 --> 00:09:58,800 Speaker 2: migrants moving to the United States, and it explicitly says, 157 00:09:58,920 --> 00:10:03,600 Speaker 2: like the eagle fly without borders, we don't recognize any borders, 158 00:10:03,640 --> 00:10:06,480 Speaker 2: and it's a call to migrants in the United States 159 00:10:06,840 --> 00:10:11,520 Speaker 2: to assert their Mexican nationalism. In addition to doing that, 160 00:10:11,640 --> 00:10:15,640 Speaker 2: new Schinbaum's government created something called Migrant TV or mcgrante 161 00:10:15,640 --> 00:10:19,120 Speaker 2: a TV, which is a streaming news service run by 162 00:10:19,160 --> 00:10:24,160 Speaker 2: the Mexican government specifically targeted at migrants in the United States, 163 00:10:24,320 --> 00:10:26,800 Speaker 2: and I recount some of the content of that in 164 00:10:26,840 --> 00:10:30,320 Speaker 2: the book. Twenty twenty four election, they did a soft launch, 165 00:10:31,200 --> 00:10:35,000 Speaker 2: very very pro Kamala Harris, very very negative to President Trump. 166 00:10:35,400 --> 00:10:38,520 Speaker 2: Since President Trump has been in the White House, they 167 00:10:38,520 --> 00:10:42,679 Speaker 2: have run very aggressive stories about Ice and federal law 168 00:10:42,720 --> 00:10:46,480 Speaker 2: enforcement being fascists and brown shirts. So this is really 169 00:10:46,559 --> 00:10:49,960 Speaker 2: over the top stuff that the Mexican government itself is 170 00:10:50,080 --> 00:10:53,280 Speaker 2: doing within our borders. And you're right, they are completely 171 00:10:53,280 --> 00:11:07,240 Speaker 2: disregarding national borders and national autonomy. 172 00:11:12,520 --> 00:11:17,840 Speaker 1: To what extent did Biden dramatically worsen the situation? 173 00:11:18,920 --> 00:11:20,720 Speaker 2: He did so in a couple of ways. New The 174 00:11:20,760 --> 00:11:23,800 Speaker 2: first thing he did was he opened the borders. He 175 00:11:23,880 --> 00:11:28,080 Speaker 2: instructed border patrol to not prevent people from entering the 176 00:11:28,120 --> 00:11:31,520 Speaker 2: country when he won in twenty twenty. When he was 177 00:11:31,559 --> 00:11:35,280 Speaker 2: declared the winner in November of twenty twenty, days After that, 178 00:11:35,440 --> 00:11:38,920 Speaker 2: the Mexican Senate and their Chamber of Deputies passed a 179 00:11:38,960 --> 00:11:43,120 Speaker 2: series of bills that they knew would heighten the flood 180 00:11:43,240 --> 00:11:46,520 Speaker 2: of people coming north of the border, and when Biden 181 00:11:46,600 --> 00:11:50,199 Speaker 2: came in, he allowed them in. So the Biden policies 182 00:11:50,280 --> 00:11:54,880 Speaker 2: were absolutely key in opening up the floodgates. And as 183 00:11:54,920 --> 00:11:59,040 Speaker 2: I mentioned earlier, Daniel Ortega in Nicaragua, after Joe Biden 184 00:11:59,120 --> 00:12:01,920 Speaker 2: was declared the winner November twenty twenty, sent out to 185 00:12:02,000 --> 00:12:06,320 Speaker 2: the world. You can charter a flight, come to Nicaragua, 186 00:12:06,760 --> 00:12:10,200 Speaker 2: pay us a fee fifty dollars for a visa. We 187 00:12:10,280 --> 00:12:12,880 Speaker 2: will drive you to the northern border, get you on 188 00:12:12,920 --> 00:12:15,520 Speaker 2: your way so you can enter the United States. And 189 00:12:15,559 --> 00:12:19,040 Speaker 2: it's believed more than one point five million people from Africa, 190 00:12:19,120 --> 00:12:22,800 Speaker 2: the Caribbean, from Asia did just that. There were planes 191 00:12:22,840 --> 00:12:27,880 Speaker 2: taking off and landing, charter flights constantly into Minagua's airport, 192 00:12:27,960 --> 00:12:31,600 Speaker 2: and again the Biden administration really did nothing to stem 193 00:12:31,640 --> 00:12:33,680 Speaker 2: that flow. And as I lay out in the book, 194 00:12:33,880 --> 00:12:37,920 Speaker 2: I think that is for political reasons. The Democrats realized 195 00:12:37,960 --> 00:12:42,000 Speaker 2: there is an enormous political necessity for them in having 196 00:12:42,040 --> 00:12:42,840 Speaker 2: mass migration. 197 00:12:43,640 --> 00:12:47,160 Speaker 1: It's almost like they overreached, and so the country then 198 00:12:47,240 --> 00:12:52,000 Speaker 1: finally did react. The country reacted decisively, and then the 199 00:12:52,040 --> 00:12:55,840 Speaker 1: Trump administration was at least for me as a historian, 200 00:12:56,240 --> 00:12:59,440 Speaker 1: it was astonishing to wash the speed with which they 201 00:12:59,480 --> 00:13:02,680 Speaker 1: closed the border. I would not have thought it was possible. 202 00:13:03,480 --> 00:13:07,040 Speaker 2: It was miraculous in a way, and of course demonstrated 203 00:13:07,120 --> 00:13:09,679 Speaker 2: how the claims that you can't close the border, that 204 00:13:09,720 --> 00:13:12,520 Speaker 2: it's not really something we can control, as ridiculous, and 205 00:13:12,559 --> 00:13:16,120 Speaker 2: I think the Trump administration deserves enormous credit for that. 206 00:13:16,360 --> 00:13:19,680 Speaker 2: I think, yes, the flood of people was so great 207 00:13:19,880 --> 00:13:23,959 Speaker 2: that it was impossible for ordinary Americans who don't even 208 00:13:24,000 --> 00:13:27,360 Speaker 2: pay attention to politics, to allow it to continue. So 209 00:13:27,480 --> 00:13:29,840 Speaker 2: it was a massive overreach. We know. 210 00:13:29,880 --> 00:13:32,880 Speaker 1: We did a podcast a while back with a mayor 211 00:13:32,880 --> 00:13:36,200 Speaker 1: of a small town in Arizona, which fits one of 212 00:13:36,240 --> 00:13:40,080 Speaker 1: your points. They actually had like one hundred thousand people 213 00:13:40,080 --> 00:13:44,160 Speaker 1: from India who've crossed the US Mexico border just in 214 00:13:44,320 --> 00:13:47,440 Speaker 1: twenty twenty three. Well, this mayor is talking about the 215 00:13:47,440 --> 00:13:50,640 Speaker 1: fact that these are well dressed people. They drive up 216 00:13:50,679 --> 00:13:53,680 Speaker 1: to the border, they have really nice luggage with wheels, 217 00:13:54,040 --> 00:13:57,640 Speaker 1: they pull it across the border. Has no resemblance to 218 00:13:57,679 --> 00:14:00,920 Speaker 1: anything I'd ever thought about in terms of my but 219 00:14:01,760 --> 00:14:04,400 Speaker 1: the way in which Noriega had setted up, there's a 220 00:14:04,480 --> 00:14:08,200 Speaker 1: steady stream that comes out of Asia and Africa and 221 00:14:08,320 --> 00:14:11,640 Speaker 1: comes across below us and then turns and comes north, 222 00:14:11,679 --> 00:14:14,200 Speaker 1: thus cut off right now. But there was really a 223 00:14:14,280 --> 00:14:17,840 Speaker 1: huge number of people from literally all around the world 224 00:14:18,280 --> 00:14:20,120 Speaker 1: who were coming in under Biden. 225 00:14:20,720 --> 00:14:24,240 Speaker 2: The Nicaraguan airgate so to speak, I mean there were 226 00:14:24,320 --> 00:14:27,760 Speaker 2: chartered flights from Cameroon. I mean word hit the streets 227 00:14:27,760 --> 00:14:31,960 Speaker 2: in Cameroon and they were chartering airplanes that were flying 228 00:14:32,000 --> 00:14:35,400 Speaker 2: to Nicaragua. And again the Biden administration knew this was 229 00:14:35,480 --> 00:14:40,640 Speaker 2: going on, made a decision to not resist and seal 230 00:14:40,680 --> 00:14:45,040 Speaker 2: the border, and the effects were dramatic, and this benefited 231 00:14:45,160 --> 00:14:48,360 Speaker 2: our adversaries because, of course, in addition to one hundred 232 00:14:48,400 --> 00:14:52,000 Speaker 2: thousand Indians, there were at least that many Chinese that 233 00:14:52,080 --> 00:14:55,560 Speaker 2: came across the border, and of course Venezuela and other 234 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:59,800 Speaker 2: adversarial countries were replaying the Mariel boat. Left Within this 235 00:15:00,040 --> 00:15:03,240 Speaker 2: flood of people that, as you said, they were oftentimes 236 00:15:03,280 --> 00:15:06,480 Speaker 2: well dressed, and it was so well organized, you also 237 00:15:06,640 --> 00:15:11,400 Speaker 2: had the criminal networks, the intelligence operatives, the military personnel 238 00:15:11,440 --> 00:15:14,360 Speaker 2: as well that were embedded within the Torrent that was 239 00:15:14,400 --> 00:15:16,520 Speaker 2: coming north and that process. 240 00:15:17,240 --> 00:15:19,840 Speaker 1: We've at least stopped it for the moment, but we 241 00:15:19,920 --> 00:15:24,480 Speaker 1: still have millions of people already inside the border. I mean, 242 00:15:24,520 --> 00:15:28,120 Speaker 1: what is your sense about, can we infect as a 243 00:15:28,160 --> 00:15:31,160 Speaker 1: matter of practicality to port all of them or what 244 00:15:31,240 --> 00:15:32,240 Speaker 1: do you think will happen. 245 00:15:32,920 --> 00:15:35,600 Speaker 2: It's a good question. I think that what we need 246 00:15:35,640 --> 00:15:39,480 Speaker 2: to do is ICE has been focusing on the criminal networks, 247 00:15:39,520 --> 00:15:41,560 Speaker 2: which I think is good, and then I think we 248 00:15:41,640 --> 00:15:45,160 Speaker 2: need to look at the broader issue of deportations. But 249 00:15:45,320 --> 00:15:47,800 Speaker 2: even more important than that new is we need to 250 00:15:47,840 --> 00:15:52,480 Speaker 2: dismantle these political networks that had been erected within our country. 251 00:15:52,920 --> 00:15:57,120 Speaker 2: We were talking about Mexico earlier with these fifty three consulates. 252 00:15:57,400 --> 00:16:00,840 Speaker 2: There was, for example, a meeting in May of twenty 253 00:16:00,880 --> 00:16:05,760 Speaker 2: twenty four at the Oklahoma City, Oklahoma, Mexican Consulate. They 254 00:16:05,800 --> 00:16:10,320 Speaker 2: brought diplomats from the consulate from Los Angeles to Orlando 255 00:16:10,480 --> 00:16:13,920 Speaker 2: and everybody in between. They flew in senior people from 256 00:16:14,000 --> 00:16:18,480 Speaker 2: Mexico City. The Foreign Minister of Mexico addressed the crowd. 257 00:16:19,000 --> 00:16:22,640 Speaker 2: Also in the crowd with the diplomats were Democratic Party 258 00:16:22,680 --> 00:16:26,280 Speaker 2: political operatives, and we have a transcript of that meeting, 259 00:16:26,360 --> 00:16:30,960 Speaker 2: and the conversation was, we turned California from red to blue, 260 00:16:31,560 --> 00:16:34,800 Speaker 2: we turned Arizona from red to blue. How can we 261 00:16:34,880 --> 00:16:37,240 Speaker 2: turn the rest of the country from red to blue? 262 00:16:37,280 --> 00:16:39,760 Speaker 2: And how can we stop Donald Trump from being elected? 263 00:16:40,120 --> 00:16:42,920 Speaker 2: That is not the sort of thing that diplomats are 264 00:16:42,960 --> 00:16:45,880 Speaker 2: supposed to be engaged in. In addition to that, they 265 00:16:45,920 --> 00:16:49,560 Speaker 2: are working with a lot of NGOs on political activism, 266 00:16:49,880 --> 00:16:52,720 Speaker 2: and you have these officials, these Mexican officials in the 267 00:16:52,840 --> 00:16:58,480 Speaker 2: United States involved in organizing these racas sometimes violent anti 268 00:16:58,560 --> 00:17:01,720 Speaker 2: ice protests. One of the people I mentioned in the 269 00:17:01,720 --> 00:17:06,360 Speaker 2: book is one of these Mexican congressmen who lives apparently 270 00:17:06,400 --> 00:17:10,720 Speaker 2: in Ontario, California, senior Marina Party official who in twenty 271 00:17:10,760 --> 00:17:13,720 Speaker 2: twenty five was traveling across the United States trying to 272 00:17:13,840 --> 00:17:18,000 Speaker 2: organize migrants, linking with Antifa tite groups, and he said 273 00:17:18,040 --> 00:17:22,720 Speaker 2: that his role was to quote organize the militancy against 274 00:17:22,760 --> 00:17:26,840 Speaker 2: Donald Trump. This is foreign interference on a vast scale. 275 00:17:26,920 --> 00:17:29,679 Speaker 2: So we need to not just look at reducing the 276 00:17:29,760 --> 00:17:33,360 Speaker 2: number of migrants. We really need to focus on destroying 277 00:17:33,400 --> 00:17:37,400 Speaker 2: these political networks. And I think we have to fundamentally 278 00:17:37,440 --> 00:17:41,440 Speaker 2: tackle this issue of birthright citizenship, particularly in light of 279 00:17:41,800 --> 00:17:44,520 Speaker 2: the vast scale of what the Chinese are doing to 280 00:17:44,640 --> 00:17:45,320 Speaker 2: exploit it. 281 00:17:45,840 --> 00:17:49,199 Speaker 1: You suggest that in twenty eighteen alone, there were one 282 00:17:49,280 --> 00:17:52,840 Speaker 1: hundred and fifty thousand people who came from China to 283 00:17:52,880 --> 00:17:56,399 Speaker 1: the US to practice what you describe as birth tourism. 284 00:17:57,320 --> 00:18:00,399 Speaker 2: Yeah, this is a number that a Chinese based research 285 00:18:00,520 --> 00:18:04,439 Speaker 2: firm came up with. Birth tourism is this idea that 286 00:18:04,680 --> 00:18:07,600 Speaker 2: if you happen to give birth to a child in 287 00:18:07,640 --> 00:18:11,400 Speaker 2: the United States, that child has automatically granted US citizenship. 288 00:18:11,920 --> 00:18:15,479 Speaker 2: The Chinese Communist Party in twenty eleven ran a series 289 00:18:15,480 --> 00:18:19,560 Speaker 2: of articles in the People's Daily, their main newspaper, and 290 00:18:19,840 --> 00:18:22,879 Speaker 2: the articles knew were directed at the members of the 291 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:26,040 Speaker 2: Chinese Communist Party elite, and it was explaining to them 292 00:18:26,119 --> 00:18:29,440 Speaker 2: how you should do this, how you can get US 293 00:18:29,480 --> 00:18:33,639 Speaker 2: citizenship for your children by simply transporting your wife to 294 00:18:33,760 --> 00:18:36,960 Speaker 2: the United States having or give birth. When the child 295 00:18:37,040 --> 00:18:39,240 Speaker 2: is old enough to travel, you know, a couple of weeks, 296 00:18:39,520 --> 00:18:42,040 Speaker 2: fly them back to China. They'll be US citizens, but 297 00:18:42,080 --> 00:18:44,560 Speaker 2: you can raise them here in China, which begs the 298 00:18:44,640 --> 00:18:48,280 Speaker 2: question which is not answered in the article. Why would 299 00:18:48,320 --> 00:18:52,200 Speaker 2: the Chinese Communist Party be encouraging its elite to do so, 300 00:18:52,200 --> 00:18:54,800 Speaker 2: so this has been going on for a while. We 301 00:18:55,240 --> 00:18:58,520 Speaker 2: in the United States don't track numbers. Our federal government 302 00:18:58,560 --> 00:19:01,600 Speaker 2: has no idea how many people have done this because 303 00:19:01,960 --> 00:19:05,359 Speaker 2: when you have a birth certificate that's issued by local authorities, 304 00:19:05,400 --> 00:19:07,639 Speaker 2: it does not list the citizenship of the parents, So 305 00:19:07,680 --> 00:19:12,320 Speaker 2: nobody's tracking this here. China, the government and research firms 306 00:19:12,359 --> 00:19:16,360 Speaker 2: there have been tracking this birth tourism industry, which involves 307 00:19:16,359 --> 00:19:19,640 Speaker 2: thousands of companies in China, and the numbers that they 308 00:19:19,760 --> 00:19:23,359 Speaker 2: offer are horrifying. You mentioned the one estimate by the 309 00:19:23,400 --> 00:19:26,440 Speaker 2: research firm that in twenty eighteen alone, one hundred and 310 00:19:26,440 --> 00:19:29,359 Speaker 2: fifty thousand Chinese babies were born in the United States 311 00:19:29,440 --> 00:19:32,360 Speaker 2: then returned to China to be raised there, even though 312 00:19:32,359 --> 00:19:36,520 Speaker 2: they're US citizens. The Chinese government and other research firms 313 00:19:36,880 --> 00:19:40,879 Speaker 2: believe that every single year from twenty thirteen to now, 314 00:19:41,359 --> 00:19:46,600 Speaker 2: roughly one hundred thousand on average Chinese babies are being 315 00:19:46,640 --> 00:19:48,920 Speaker 2: born in the United States, which means if you do 316 00:19:48,960 --> 00:19:52,840 Speaker 2: the math, you're looking at more than a million US citizens. 317 00:19:53,320 --> 00:19:55,600 Speaker 2: And I'm going to put US citizens in air quotes 318 00:19:55,640 --> 00:19:58,119 Speaker 2: because they just were born here, they're being raised there, 319 00:19:58,800 --> 00:20:01,440 Speaker 2: but when they turn eighteen, they're going to be able 320 00:20:01,480 --> 00:20:04,000 Speaker 2: to vote, They're going to be able to contribute to 321 00:20:04,000 --> 00:20:06,240 Speaker 2: political campaigns, They're going to be able to apply for 322 00:20:06,359 --> 00:20:11,720 Speaker 2: sensitive government jobs. This is a systematic, industrial scale exploitation 323 00:20:12,560 --> 00:20:15,800 Speaker 2: of our birthright citizenship issue, and it needs to be 324 00:20:15,840 --> 00:20:18,800 Speaker 2: addressed because it's a serious national security concern. 325 00:20:19,240 --> 00:20:23,720 Speaker 1: I gather you would before some kind of limitation on 326 00:20:23,760 --> 00:20:24,880 Speaker 1: birthright citizenship. 327 00:20:25,720 --> 00:20:28,600 Speaker 2: Yes, and my view is new. I don't know where 328 00:20:28,600 --> 00:20:31,240 Speaker 2: the lines are. I'm not an attorney, but it seems 329 00:20:31,280 --> 00:20:33,600 Speaker 2: to me if you are somebody that came to the 330 00:20:33,720 --> 00:20:36,720 Speaker 2: United States, you've lived here for twenty years, you've worked, 331 00:20:36,760 --> 00:20:39,520 Speaker 2: you've paid your tax as, you've been responsible, and your 332 00:20:39,640 --> 00:20:42,159 Speaker 2: child was born here and has lived here and is 333 00:20:42,200 --> 00:20:46,480 Speaker 2: being raised here. That's one thing. What's happening in China 334 00:20:46,640 --> 00:20:48,840 Speaker 2: is not the case. They're not even being raised here. 335 00:20:49,040 --> 00:20:51,919 Speaker 2: The moment they are ready to travel on an airplane, 336 00:20:51,960 --> 00:20:54,680 Speaker 2: they are being returned to China. The problem, by the way, 337 00:20:54,720 --> 00:20:59,120 Speaker 2: is compounded by an additional practice that the CCP has encouraged, 338 00:20:59,160 --> 00:21:03,800 Speaker 2: which is surrogus. In this particular case, Chinese elites will 339 00:21:03,920 --> 00:21:07,159 Speaker 2: hire an American woman, pay her fifty to sixty thousand 340 00:21:07,200 --> 00:21:11,199 Speaker 2: dollars to carry the child of the Chinese man or 341 00:21:11,240 --> 00:21:14,440 Speaker 2: in some cases they will donate sperms and eggs from 342 00:21:14,440 --> 00:21:17,760 Speaker 2: a woman and she will carry the child. But in 343 00:21:17,800 --> 00:21:22,040 Speaker 2: those particular cases, we have no idea the scale. But again, 344 00:21:22,680 --> 00:21:25,480 Speaker 2: that child is born in the United States, it's now 345 00:21:25,520 --> 00:21:28,800 Speaker 2: also got a biological American parent, so it's going to 346 00:21:28,800 --> 00:21:31,680 Speaker 2: be US citizen. The Wall Street Journal had a piece 347 00:21:31,720 --> 00:21:33,920 Speaker 2: five or six weeks ago on the front page where 348 00:21:33,960 --> 00:21:38,840 Speaker 2: they found one senior CCP official, a Chinese billionaire who 349 00:21:38,880 --> 00:21:44,320 Speaker 2: has more than one hundred children born this way. They're 350 00:21:44,359 --> 00:21:47,560 Speaker 2: being raised in China. And in our research we found 351 00:21:47,600 --> 00:21:52,639 Speaker 2: in just southern California one hundred and seven Chinese owned 352 00:21:52,720 --> 00:21:57,760 Speaker 2: surrogacy firms that are advertising in China these services for 353 00:21:57,920 --> 00:22:01,080 Speaker 2: Chinese nationals. So this is a massive problem, and yeah, 354 00:22:01,200 --> 00:22:03,760 Speaker 2: we've got to stop this. I have one toe in 355 00:22:03,760 --> 00:22:06,359 Speaker 2: the United States. Ergo, my child is going to be 356 00:22:06,440 --> 00:22:09,119 Speaker 2: a US citizen with all the rights and privileges. That 357 00:22:09,280 --> 00:22:10,480 Speaker 2: is just crazy. 358 00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:15,120 Speaker 1: Has Congress held hearings on the scale of the Chinese industry. 359 00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,760 Speaker 2: Funny you mentioned that Senator Schmidt from Missouri has asked 360 00:22:18,760 --> 00:22:21,920 Speaker 2: me to testify before the Judiciary Committee. I think it's 361 00:22:21,960 --> 00:22:24,560 Speaker 2: March tenth or twelve, so we will be addressing that. 362 00:22:24,960 --> 00:22:27,760 Speaker 2: We met in the Oval Office with the President, with 363 00:22:27,880 --> 00:22:31,040 Speaker 2: the Secretary of State, and with the Treasury Secretary for 364 00:22:31,080 --> 00:22:34,440 Speaker 2: about fifty five minutes going through these issues. We met 365 00:22:34,440 --> 00:22:38,480 Speaker 2: with senior leadership on Capitol Hill, including Jim Comer from Kentucky, 366 00:22:38,520 --> 00:22:41,359 Speaker 2: the Chairman of House Oversight. So we are expecting to 367 00:22:41,359 --> 00:22:44,359 Speaker 2: see movement, and we have reason to believe, based on 368 00:22:44,600 --> 00:22:48,280 Speaker 2: the follow up conversations that the scale of what China's 369 00:22:48,359 --> 00:22:50,479 Speaker 2: doing and the methods by which they are doing is 370 00:22:50,520 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: going to be incorporated into the discussions at the Supreme Court, 371 00:22:54,480 --> 00:22:55,760 Speaker 2: which I think is very important. 372 00:22:56,160 --> 00:22:59,920 Speaker 1: This is so different than the world the sa Abraham 373 00:23:00,320 --> 00:23:03,160 Speaker 1: lived in, so it's trying to go back and stretch 374 00:23:03,880 --> 00:23:08,520 Speaker 1: the fourteenth Amendment to somehow include this I think Lincoln 375 00:23:08,520 --> 00:23:12,720 Speaker 1: would have thought was insane. Yeah, you also are very 376 00:23:12,800 --> 00:23:16,119 Speaker 1: concerned about dual citizenship. Can explain that. 377 00:23:17,200 --> 00:23:20,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, So a dual citizenship is the idea that you 378 00:23:20,400 --> 00:23:23,400 Speaker 2: can be an American citizen and be a Chinese citizen, 379 00:23:23,520 --> 00:23:26,400 Speaker 2: or be an American citizen and a Mexican citizen. And 380 00:23:26,480 --> 00:23:29,520 Speaker 2: this is something that is kind of new in American history. 381 00:23:29,560 --> 00:23:32,480 Speaker 2: There was a Supreme Court case in the nineteen sixties 382 00:23:32,520 --> 00:23:35,639 Speaker 2: where a gentleman sued the federal government saying that he 383 00:23:35,680 --> 00:23:38,119 Speaker 2: could be a dual citizen, and the Supreme Court agreed 384 00:23:38,200 --> 00:23:41,040 Speaker 2: and affirm that he could. I think this is a 385 00:23:41,119 --> 00:23:45,640 Speaker 2: huge mistake. I think that citizenship is something that should 386 00:23:46,040 --> 00:23:49,639 Speaker 2: mean that you have loyalty to that one country of 387 00:23:49,680 --> 00:23:52,080 Speaker 2: which you are a citizen. And the notion that you 388 00:23:52,160 --> 00:23:55,160 Speaker 2: could be a citizen of Mexico and the United States 389 00:23:55,480 --> 00:23:58,119 Speaker 2: and you're only going to put American interest first, I 390 00:23:58,160 --> 00:24:01,920 Speaker 2: think is a ridiculous notion. I would argue that we 391 00:24:02,000 --> 00:24:05,280 Speaker 2: need to reform that the Supreme Court made this designation. 392 00:24:05,760 --> 00:24:08,560 Speaker 2: It doesn't mean that it can't be revisited, and I 393 00:24:08,560 --> 00:24:09,240 Speaker 2: think it should. 394 00:24:25,040 --> 00:24:31,800 Speaker 1: You're describing an American national security of vulnerability that I 395 00:24:31,840 --> 00:24:36,199 Speaker 1: would never have dreamed of, both in terms of the 396 00:24:36,320 --> 00:24:42,120 Speaker 1: number of foreign diplomats, not just Mexican, who are actively 397 00:24:42,160 --> 00:24:46,760 Speaker 1: engaged in our politics. And then second in both grand 398 00:24:46,800 --> 00:24:53,000 Speaker 1: strategies of dumping dangerous people here and grand strategies of 399 00:24:53,080 --> 00:24:57,520 Speaker 1: creating a generation of birthright citizens whose loyalty is explicitly 400 00:24:58,040 --> 00:25:04,280 Speaker 1: not the United States. Put those things together, that's pretty extraordinary. 401 00:25:04,320 --> 00:25:07,639 Speaker 2: It is, and it's why I believe this is the 402 00:25:07,680 --> 00:25:10,959 Speaker 2: biggest national security threat we face. It's not the only one. 403 00:25:11,119 --> 00:25:13,960 Speaker 2: We need to make sure that our military capabilities are real. 404 00:25:14,080 --> 00:25:17,240 Speaker 2: We need to make sure that we are effectively competing 405 00:25:17,280 --> 00:25:21,680 Speaker 2: with China and beating China in AI. But this, I think, 406 00:25:21,720 --> 00:25:26,159 Speaker 2: this weaponization of immigration, which by the way, was used historically. 407 00:25:26,240 --> 00:25:30,160 Speaker 2: It's been used historically many times, but was demonstrated as 408 00:25:30,240 --> 00:25:34,400 Speaker 2: successful on a limited test case basis with the Mario Bowtlift, 409 00:25:34,760 --> 00:25:38,399 Speaker 2: has now been employed on a massive scale. And what's 410 00:25:38,480 --> 00:25:43,640 Speaker 2: happening new is that there are domestic actors who reject 411 00:25:43,840 --> 00:25:47,320 Speaker 2: the traditional notions of immigration to the United States. So 412 00:25:47,359 --> 00:25:50,119 Speaker 2: what do I mean by that the idea of assimilation. 413 00:25:50,720 --> 00:25:54,840 Speaker 2: Assimilation is foundational. My parents were immigrants from Europe. A 414 00:25:54,880 --> 00:25:57,440 Speaker 2: lot of US can recount people we know that came 415 00:25:57,480 --> 00:26:00,720 Speaker 2: to the United States that embraced American values. There is 416 00:26:00,760 --> 00:26:05,760 Speaker 2: an active industry among NGOs from foreign government officials telling 417 00:26:05,840 --> 00:26:10,840 Speaker 2: people know this is wrong, do not assimilate. Alejandro Roblaz, 418 00:26:10,880 --> 00:26:14,239 Speaker 2: who I mentioned earlier, this Mexican government official did an 419 00:26:14,320 --> 00:26:18,879 Speaker 2: interview with Marina officials last year where he said that 420 00:26:19,560 --> 00:26:23,800 Speaker 2: Mexicans that come to the United States and americanize and 421 00:26:23,880 --> 00:26:28,520 Speaker 2: adopt American values are traders to Mexico, and he went 422 00:26:28,560 --> 00:26:32,399 Speaker 2: on to say that President Scheinbaum agrees with him. And again, 423 00:26:32,480 --> 00:26:35,800 Speaker 2: he was the head of international operations for the Marina Party, 424 00:26:35,840 --> 00:26:38,919 Speaker 2: which is her party. You find the same thing with 425 00:26:39,240 --> 00:26:43,000 Speaker 2: islamis groups like CARE, an organization you've talked about before 426 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:47,200 Speaker 2: newt the Council for American Islamic Relations, a very powerful 427 00:26:47,359 --> 00:26:50,480 Speaker 2: lobby group in the United States. I quote numerous senior 428 00:26:50,480 --> 00:26:54,159 Speaker 2: officials from CARE saying, we can never accept this system 429 00:26:54,200 --> 00:26:57,600 Speaker 2: in the United States. Our job is not to become Americans. 430 00:26:57,640 --> 00:27:00,960 Speaker 2: It's not to assimilate. Our job is to change America 431 00:27:01,080 --> 00:27:05,040 Speaker 2: politically and spiritually. So when you're dealing with these kinds 432 00:27:05,040 --> 00:27:09,040 Speaker 2: of advocates within the United States, in addition to senior 433 00:27:09,040 --> 00:27:12,399 Speaker 2: Obama administration officials who say the same thing, you have 434 00:27:12,480 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 2: this enormous gap between the public perception of what immigration 435 00:27:17,160 --> 00:27:20,159 Speaker 2: means and the reality in which it plays out in 436 00:27:20,200 --> 00:27:23,040 Speaker 2: the ground. And you have the ugly reality that a 437 00:27:23,200 --> 00:27:27,560 Speaker 2: person today who comes to America adopts American values, lives 438 00:27:27,560 --> 00:27:31,840 Speaker 2: the American dream, is doing so despite the efforts of 439 00:27:31,920 --> 00:27:34,720 Speaker 2: other governments and NGOs, and that is not a good 440 00:27:34,720 --> 00:27:35,600 Speaker 2: place for us to be. 441 00:27:36,240 --> 00:27:39,480 Speaker 1: I've had the feeling that in many ways we are 442 00:27:39,520 --> 00:27:43,440 Speaker 1: teetering on a brink between a country which has been 443 00:27:44,440 --> 00:27:52,520 Speaker 1: amazingly successful and countervailing forces, both foreign and domestic, who 444 00:27:52,640 --> 00:27:57,240 Speaker 1: literally want to replace that entire model. They're not asking 445 00:27:57,640 --> 00:27:59,920 Speaker 1: to compete within the model they want to replace. 446 00:28:01,080 --> 00:28:05,560 Speaker 2: I begin the book talking about the Posit Clash of Civilizations, 447 00:28:05,720 --> 00:28:08,200 Speaker 2: which was a major book twenty or thirty years ago, 448 00:28:08,760 --> 00:28:12,119 Speaker 2: and that was written in the context of a clash 449 00:28:12,160 --> 00:28:16,159 Speaker 2: of civilizations on a global scale. This is happening around 450 00:28:16,240 --> 00:28:19,800 Speaker 2: the world. The clash of civilizations is now occurring within 451 00:28:19,840 --> 00:28:22,840 Speaker 2: the borders of the United States, and that is the 452 00:28:22,880 --> 00:28:26,760 Speaker 2: way that these countries view it. China, I quote several 453 00:28:26,760 --> 00:28:29,520 Speaker 2: officials in the book. It's not just that they are 454 00:28:29,560 --> 00:28:32,399 Speaker 2: competing with the United States for spheres of influence, for 455 00:28:32,600 --> 00:28:38,400 Speaker 2: military superiority, for economic dominance. This is a civilizational conflict, 456 00:28:39,040 --> 00:28:42,120 Speaker 2: they view it. This is a civilizational war, the defining 457 00:28:42,200 --> 00:28:46,200 Speaker 2: issues of how society should be organized, what it values, 458 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,360 Speaker 2: what is true, and what is important. The same thing, 459 00:28:49,600 --> 00:28:52,200 Speaker 2: in a strange way, applies to Mexico. We think of 460 00:28:52,240 --> 00:28:56,080 Speaker 2: Mexico as sort of part of the Western world, but 461 00:28:56,160 --> 00:28:59,560 Speaker 2: the reality in recent years, particularly under the Marina Party, 462 00:29:00,120 --> 00:29:04,320 Speaker 2: there has been pushback against the Spanish ancestry, the rejection 463 00:29:04,960 --> 00:29:09,000 Speaker 2: of the Spanish part of Mexico's history, to the extent 464 00:29:09,120 --> 00:29:11,640 Speaker 2: that they have asked for an apology from the Spanish 465 00:29:11,720 --> 00:29:15,360 Speaker 2: king for all the crimes that Spain committed in Mexico. 466 00:29:15,560 --> 00:29:19,880 Speaker 2: And there's been an embracing of these sort of indigenous values. 467 00:29:20,000 --> 00:29:23,680 Speaker 2: Now I'm not suggesting that they are Aztecs today, but 468 00:29:23,880 --> 00:29:29,479 Speaker 2: they clearly are rejecting the notion of Western values. And 469 00:29:29,520 --> 00:29:32,440 Speaker 2: what they usually talk about in the United States is 470 00:29:32,480 --> 00:29:36,200 Speaker 2: sort of the Anglo Saxon world. They use that phrase derisively, 471 00:29:36,480 --> 00:29:38,680 Speaker 2: so they have a very different view of how society 472 00:29:38,720 --> 00:29:42,680 Speaker 2: should be organized. Not to mention groups like the Muslim Brotherhood. 473 00:29:42,760 --> 00:29:46,680 Speaker 2: So this is foundational. This is a civilizational war that 474 00:29:46,840 --> 00:29:49,120 Speaker 2: is being played out within the borders of the United States. 475 00:29:49,320 --> 00:29:51,040 Speaker 2: That is the war that you're seeing on the streets 476 00:29:51,040 --> 00:29:53,240 Speaker 2: of Minneapolis and that we saw in the streets of 477 00:29:53,280 --> 00:29:54,600 Speaker 2: Los Angeles last year. 478 00:29:55,280 --> 00:30:00,520 Speaker 1: I sort of understand that Islam is a huge religion 479 00:30:01,040 --> 00:30:03,720 Speaker 1: and has all setted core values. But when you look 480 00:30:03,800 --> 00:30:09,560 Speaker 1: at Mexico, if you're talking about giving up both American 481 00:30:09,640 --> 00:30:15,040 Speaker 1: and European values, what is the positive version of mexicanness 482 00:30:15,480 --> 00:30:16,760 Speaker 1: that they would replace it with. 483 00:30:17,800 --> 00:30:20,920 Speaker 2: There's a book that was written in nineteen twenty five 484 00:30:21,120 --> 00:30:24,160 Speaker 2: called The Cosmic Race. It's by the gentleman that was 485 00:30:24,200 --> 00:30:28,480 Speaker 2: the founder of the Mexican educational system, and the Cosmic 486 00:30:28,600 --> 00:30:34,440 Speaker 2: Race describes Latin America in the context of indigenous natives, 487 00:30:35,000 --> 00:30:39,240 Speaker 2: fused with some values from Spain. But it talks about 488 00:30:39,280 --> 00:30:45,000 Speaker 2: the cosmic competition between that body and North America, which 489 00:30:45,040 --> 00:30:48,280 Speaker 2: they view as representing Europe the values of the Enlightenment. 490 00:30:48,760 --> 00:30:50,880 Speaker 2: So what does this have to do with the struggle today? 491 00:30:50,960 --> 00:30:55,840 Speaker 2: That book remains enormously popular with the Mexican elite. AMLO, 492 00:30:56,120 --> 00:31:00,440 Speaker 2: the mentor to current President Shinbaum, the former president of Mexico. AMLO, 493 00:31:01,200 --> 00:31:05,160 Speaker 2: praised this author and the values that it embraced. The 494 00:31:05,280 --> 00:31:10,200 Speaker 2: organization named Loraza, which recently changed its name, but Larraza. 495 00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:16,240 Speaker 2: They named their organization after this book, The Cosmic Race, 496 00:31:16,680 --> 00:31:21,160 Speaker 2: and that book presents a vision of the two contrary 497 00:31:21,240 --> 00:31:24,680 Speaker 2: views of human nature. And of course their vision is collectivist. 498 00:31:25,200 --> 00:31:28,960 Speaker 2: It is center controlled, it is by a dominant authority. 499 00:31:29,120 --> 00:31:34,320 Speaker 2: It is forced egalitarianism in the context of distribution of resources. 500 00:31:34,600 --> 00:31:38,440 Speaker 2: It is a vastly different vision than the American view 501 00:31:38,480 --> 00:31:40,480 Speaker 2: that we have had really since our founding. 502 00:31:41,040 --> 00:31:45,560 Speaker 1: That's pretty sobering if that's a major competitor for how 503 00:31:45,600 --> 00:31:49,840 Speaker 1: our future is going to involve and Kennedy, I'm not 504 00:31:49,880 --> 00:31:53,400 Speaker 1: sure how many Americans would favor it if they understood. 505 00:31:52,880 --> 00:31:56,120 Speaker 2: That this is the key, right The key is for 506 00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:58,600 Speaker 2: us to alert people to what's going on. That's why 507 00:31:58,600 --> 00:32:00,680 Speaker 2: I tried doing the book in their words words. But 508 00:32:00,800 --> 00:32:04,120 Speaker 2: it's also to continue to reaffirm, as you've done over 509 00:32:04,160 --> 00:32:08,120 Speaker 2: your career and other people, continuing to reaffirm what is 510 00:32:08,320 --> 00:32:12,880 Speaker 2: valuable and true and right about American values because they 511 00:32:12,960 --> 00:32:17,680 Speaker 2: are unique. When immigrants come to this country, you need 512 00:32:17,800 --> 00:32:21,200 Speaker 2: to make a conscious choice to adopt the values, to 513 00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:26,360 Speaker 2: adopt the cognitive assumptions behind the Western way of life, 514 00:32:26,400 --> 00:32:28,920 Speaker 2: because it is unique. It is different from the rest 515 00:32:28,960 --> 00:32:31,760 Speaker 2: of the world. And if you don't make that decision, 516 00:32:32,440 --> 00:32:36,520 Speaker 2: you are bringing your culture, and your culture is probably 517 00:32:36,560 --> 00:32:39,840 Speaker 2: from a failed state because many people are coming from 518 00:32:39,960 --> 00:32:44,400 Speaker 2: collapse societies. So we need to continue to encourage assimilation. 519 00:32:44,880 --> 00:32:47,640 Speaker 2: I still believe in immigration, but we've got to deal 520 00:32:47,680 --> 00:32:51,440 Speaker 2: with the weaponization of immigration by these actors before we 521 00:32:51,520 --> 00:32:53,880 Speaker 2: can have the conversation of what should the level of 522 00:32:53,960 --> 00:32:55,000 Speaker 2: legal immigration be? 523 00:32:55,480 --> 00:32:59,200 Speaker 1: I run well, thank you, because you've raised, just in 524 00:32:59,240 --> 00:33:04,120 Speaker 1: our conversation today, a number of issues that are so 525 00:33:04,560 --> 00:33:09,840 Speaker 1: important to the survival of America and are so different 526 00:33:10,720 --> 00:33:13,240 Speaker 1: than the things we've had covered. I found this to 527 00:33:13,280 --> 00:33:17,719 Speaker 1: be an extraordinarily helpful conversation. I want to thank you 528 00:33:17,760 --> 00:33:21,920 Speaker 1: for joining me. You are an amazing investigative reporter. Your 529 00:33:21,960 --> 00:33:27,080 Speaker 1: work has consistently been groundbreaking. Your new book, The Invisible 530 00:33:27,120 --> 00:33:31,320 Speaker 1: Coup is available on Amazon and in bookstores everywhere, and 531 00:33:31,400 --> 00:33:35,240 Speaker 1: I'm starting going to encourage my friends in Congress and 532 00:33:35,320 --> 00:33:39,760 Speaker 1: the news media to take seriously the kind of investigations 533 00:33:40,200 --> 00:33:43,560 Speaker 1: that your book sort of lays out and suggests we 534 00:33:43,720 --> 00:33:47,280 Speaker 1: have to have for our very survival. So thank you 535 00:33:47,440 --> 00:33:51,120 Speaker 1: both for your career, for your work, for this book, 536 00:33:51,200 --> 00:33:54,080 Speaker 1: and for joining me in newts World. 537 00:33:54,840 --> 00:33:56,479 Speaker 2: It's always a pleasure in it to be with you. 538 00:33:56,480 --> 00:33:58,640 Speaker 2: Thanks so much for having me. I enjoyed the conversation. 539 00:34:01,520 --> 00:34:03,160 Speaker 2: Thank you to my guest, Peter Schweitzer. 540 00:34:03,960 --> 00:34:07,000 Speaker 1: Newts World is produced by Gingish three sixty and iHeartMedia. 541 00:34:07,600 --> 00:34:13,000 Speaker 1: Our executive producers Carnesi Sloan, our researcher as Rachel Peterson. 542 00:34:13,640 --> 00:34:16,600 Speaker 1: The art work for the show was created by Steve Penley. 543 00:34:17,160 --> 00:34:20,680 Speaker 1: Special thanks to the team at gingrish three sixty. 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