1 00:00:02,400 --> 00:00:03,320 Speaker 1: Campsite Media. 2 00:00:06,320 --> 00:00:11,080 Speaker 2: So according to Paul, the divorce court freezes Larry Lynn's 3 00:00:11,119 --> 00:00:15,360 Speaker 2: assets and now that Niagara falls of cash that Paul 4 00:00:15,440 --> 00:00:18,959 Speaker 2: and Omar were living off of, it just stops flowing. 5 00:00:19,239 --> 00:00:21,520 Speaker 3: It felt like the end of the world, Like, come on, 6 00:00:21,560 --> 00:00:23,680 Speaker 3: the party is over. You know, you go to work 7 00:00:23,720 --> 00:00:26,440 Speaker 3: one day and the place's yellow ribbon. 8 00:00:26,880 --> 00:00:29,960 Speaker 2: Yup as soon as the landlord heard that the rent 9 00:00:30,080 --> 00:00:33,320 Speaker 2: wasn't coming. Omar says that they courted the place off 10 00:00:33,440 --> 00:00:37,040 Speaker 2: with yellow caution tape. It was almost like a crime scene, 11 00:00:37,479 --> 00:00:39,239 Speaker 2: and the fellas are desperate. 12 00:00:39,920 --> 00:00:43,120 Speaker 3: Paulie and I broke in. We broke in and we said, 13 00:00:43,159 --> 00:00:46,280 Speaker 3: what can we take cause we have no money. We 14 00:00:46,360 --> 00:00:49,239 Speaker 3: have no money and we have all these equipment here, 15 00:00:49,320 --> 00:00:51,840 Speaker 3: so let's grab whatever we could take to a pawn 16 00:00:51,880 --> 00:00:55,040 Speaker 3: shop or whatever we could get money from. 17 00:00:55,160 --> 00:00:58,880 Speaker 2: Goodbye grabbing asses, Hello seizing assets. 18 00:00:59,320 --> 00:01:00,440 Speaker 4: Then we took a pull. 19 00:01:00,320 --> 00:01:05,039 Speaker 3: Of Xerox machines or telex machines and went back to 20 00:01:05,120 --> 00:01:07,200 Speaker 3: police house and figure out what are we gonna do? 21 00:01:07,880 --> 00:01:09,840 Speaker 4: And the roller coaster began. 22 00:01:10,319 --> 00:01:13,680 Speaker 3: We had a roller coaster of shenanigans. 23 00:01:16,120 --> 00:01:18,959 Speaker 2: Paul moves out of the Wellington Hotel, the one a 24 00:01:19,200 --> 00:01:22,520 Speaker 2: gun of the butt fame and he moves in with Omar. 25 00:01:23,680 --> 00:01:25,399 Speaker 3: Listen, there were so many things we could do to 26 00:01:25,400 --> 00:01:27,360 Speaker 3: get money. I'll tell you an easy one for us 27 00:01:27,640 --> 00:01:33,360 Speaker 3: was a model wants to get a test It was 28 00:01:33,400 --> 00:01:36,040 Speaker 3: easy for us to walk into Dwayne Reed or to 29 00:01:36,160 --> 00:01:40,679 Speaker 3: the market and steal four or five rolls of film 30 00:01:41,160 --> 00:01:43,160 Speaker 3: and you charge your girl three on your box. 31 00:01:44,280 --> 00:01:47,280 Speaker 2: Yeah, we didn't talk about this before, but when models 32 00:01:47,319 --> 00:01:50,760 Speaker 2: need test photos, they usually pay for them themselves. 33 00:01:51,280 --> 00:01:53,360 Speaker 5: It's one of those super. 34 00:01:53,160 --> 00:01:56,080 Speaker 2: Female friendly aspects of the modeling business. 35 00:01:56,480 --> 00:01:57,200 Speaker 4: Still on your box. 36 00:01:57,240 --> 00:02:00,080 Speaker 3: You just made our friend takes the pictures, and the 37 00:02:00,120 --> 00:02:01,639 Speaker 3: girl got pictures, we got money. 38 00:02:02,120 --> 00:02:06,600 Speaker 2: Other schemes from Paul and Omar are more sophisticated, well 39 00:02:07,040 --> 00:02:07,600 Speaker 2: not really. 40 00:02:08,040 --> 00:02:13,200 Speaker 3: We would go uptown up in Spanish Harlem and you 41 00:02:13,240 --> 00:02:18,320 Speaker 3: could get these bags of weed called chicken bags. These 42 00:02:18,400 --> 00:02:22,280 Speaker 3: chicken bags were ten dollars uptown, but downtown there were. 43 00:02:22,280 --> 00:02:23,760 Speaker 4: Like forty dollars. 44 00:02:24,240 --> 00:02:26,320 Speaker 3: So we go up down and get a chicken bag 45 00:02:26,360 --> 00:02:31,359 Speaker 3: for ten dollars, split it in four bags, and typical 46 00:02:31,440 --> 00:02:33,480 Speaker 3: of the eighties people, you know, we are in the 47 00:02:33,560 --> 00:02:35,920 Speaker 3: nightclub and somebody's, hey, you know that I could get 48 00:02:36,000 --> 00:02:36,440 Speaker 3: some weed? 49 00:02:38,919 --> 00:02:41,040 Speaker 5: Okay, so they were dealing drugs. 50 00:02:41,440 --> 00:02:43,640 Speaker 3: I don't really know if you call that a drug deal. 51 00:02:43,680 --> 00:02:45,360 Speaker 3: I mean it is a drug deal, but it's like 52 00:02:46,280 --> 00:02:47,760 Speaker 3: it's so innocent. 53 00:02:47,360 --> 00:02:50,120 Speaker 5: You know, so not a drug deal. 54 00:02:50,400 --> 00:02:54,280 Speaker 4: I wouldn't call that a drug deal. I just call 55 00:02:54,360 --> 00:02:55,440 Speaker 4: it like a hustle. 56 00:02:56,280 --> 00:02:59,639 Speaker 2: And now, with the Land Agency officially dead and Pollen 57 00:02:59,720 --> 00:03:07,160 Speaker 2: home dead broke, the Hustle is on. From iHeart Podcasts 58 00:03:07,200 --> 00:03:11,200 Speaker 2: and Campside Media, I'm Vanessa Grigoriantis and this is Model 59 00:03:11,240 --> 00:03:18,440 Speaker 2: Wars episode four. So last time we talked about how 60 00:03:18,480 --> 00:03:21,440 Speaker 2: Paul had wanted desperately to get away from Larry Land. 61 00:03:22,000 --> 00:03:25,520 Speaker 2: In his mind, Larry was holding him back. He was 62 00:03:25,600 --> 00:03:28,480 Speaker 2: sandbagging his rise to the top of the modeling industry. 63 00:03:29,160 --> 00:03:33,520 Speaker 2: But now that Larry's gone, reality comes crashing in. 64 00:03:34,320 --> 00:03:39,360 Speaker 6: Hard, literally in twenty four hours. It's gone. No access 65 00:03:39,400 --> 00:03:43,040 Speaker 6: to the bank account, cars are gone, bodyguards are shipped 66 00:03:43,040 --> 00:03:46,520 Speaker 6: back to Texas, and I don't have a penny to 67 00:03:46,560 --> 00:03:47,000 Speaker 6: my name. 68 00:03:47,560 --> 00:03:50,280 Speaker 2: Paul's first instinct is to try to find a job 69 00:03:50,400 --> 00:03:53,720 Speaker 2: at another agency. He can start all over as an 70 00:03:53,800 --> 00:03:57,840 Speaker 2: agent for Aileen Ford or for his hero John Casablancas 71 00:03:58,120 --> 00:03:59,040 Speaker 2: at Elite. 72 00:03:59,600 --> 00:04:02,080 Speaker 6: It wasn't that they turned me down. They laughed at me. 73 00:04:02,880 --> 00:04:04,520 Speaker 6: I mean literally laughed at me. 74 00:04:05,480 --> 00:04:08,880 Speaker 2: Paul says he didn't exactly have the best reputation at 75 00:04:08,920 --> 00:04:13,720 Speaker 2: these places, what with working for the alleged mobster, poaching 76 00:04:13,760 --> 00:04:16,240 Speaker 2: their agents, and doing drugs. 77 00:04:16,440 --> 00:04:20,719 Speaker 6: I had no opportunity for employment in this space that 78 00:04:20,800 --> 00:04:23,200 Speaker 6: I loved. I love the art of creating models now. 79 00:04:23,400 --> 00:04:26,400 Speaker 2: And drugs and models were linked in Paul's mind in 80 00:04:26,440 --> 00:04:27,839 Speaker 2: more ways than one. 81 00:04:28,640 --> 00:04:31,960 Speaker 6: You know why people get addicted to heroin because it's 82 00:04:31,960 --> 00:04:35,560 Speaker 6: that first hit. You've never felt anything like it. I 83 00:04:35,560 --> 00:04:38,880 Speaker 6: don't care what anyone says. It's the greatest feeling you 84 00:04:38,880 --> 00:04:43,400 Speaker 6: could ever possibly imagine. Ten times of freaking orgasm. You've 85 00:04:43,480 --> 00:04:46,440 Speaker 6: never felt anything like it in your life before, I 86 00:04:46,560 --> 00:04:52,320 Speaker 6: swear to you, except sixty seconds later, you've got nails 87 00:04:52,320 --> 00:04:55,240 Speaker 6: going through your fucking body, and if you don't do 88 00:04:55,279 --> 00:04:57,200 Speaker 6: another hit, the nails won't go away. 89 00:04:58,520 --> 00:05:00,880 Speaker 2: Paul's analogy here is the rush that he got from 90 00:05:00,960 --> 00:05:04,440 Speaker 2: creating his first star model, Tina Mason. That was the 91 00:05:04,480 --> 00:05:08,560 Speaker 2: girl he discovered and booked into a shoot with Mademoiselle. 92 00:05:08,760 --> 00:05:10,520 Speaker 6: Creating your first little star. 93 00:05:11,839 --> 00:05:15,920 Speaker 2: That was my first hit, creating a star model. It's 94 00:05:16,120 --> 00:05:20,640 Speaker 2: just so alluring. Now, of course, the models themselves. 95 00:05:20,080 --> 00:05:21,080 Speaker 5: Do a lot of work. 96 00:05:21,279 --> 00:05:24,760 Speaker 2: They're not only themselves, of course, possessed of the body 97 00:05:24,800 --> 00:05:27,279 Speaker 2: and the mind that makes a model a star. But 98 00:05:27,400 --> 00:05:30,560 Speaker 2: as Omar said, with a lot of agents, the girls 99 00:05:30,640 --> 00:05:35,479 Speaker 2: themselves pay for things like test shoots. So Paul is 100 00:05:35,640 --> 00:05:39,560 Speaker 2: desperate to get back into the modeling business. But in 101 00:05:39,600 --> 00:05:42,200 Speaker 2: the meantime he just needs to eat. 102 00:05:42,920 --> 00:05:45,240 Speaker 6: I used to own the supermarkets and take steaks and 103 00:05:45,279 --> 00:05:47,000 Speaker 6: throw them down my pants and just to get out 104 00:05:47,000 --> 00:05:48,960 Speaker 6: of there, just just to have food, just to have 105 00:05:48,960 --> 00:05:52,359 Speaker 6: food to eat. So it was very, very difficult time 106 00:05:52,400 --> 00:05:56,559 Speaker 6: for us. No money, you know, nobody would hire us. 107 00:05:57,279 --> 00:05:59,800 Speaker 2: No longer on a mission to conquer the modeling and 108 00:06:00,839 --> 00:06:03,920 Speaker 2: Paul and Omar are just on a mission to survive. 109 00:06:04,720 --> 00:06:09,160 Speaker 2: But as hustlers they're pretty low run. Luckily, they have 110 00:06:09,400 --> 00:06:13,800 Speaker 2: a secret weapon. That's their friend, Billy Digiglio. 111 00:06:16,760 --> 00:06:20,719 Speaker 4: Other than my son, I don't think there's a man 112 00:06:20,800 --> 00:06:23,280 Speaker 4: in the world who loves me the way Billy Digilio 113 00:06:23,400 --> 00:06:23,800 Speaker 4: loves me. 114 00:06:24,600 --> 00:06:27,839 Speaker 3: He's straight, by the way, Uh, there's no one like 115 00:06:27,920 --> 00:06:34,760 Speaker 3: Billy d I Billy Dejilio was the most fearless human 116 00:06:34,800 --> 00:06:35,920 Speaker 3: I ever made in my life. 117 00:06:36,400 --> 00:06:40,080 Speaker 2: So Billy's actually a small time model himself. He's got 118 00:06:40,120 --> 00:06:44,040 Speaker 2: those cheekbones, he's got the tanned, sinewy body. He can 119 00:06:44,080 --> 00:06:46,680 Speaker 2: put on the poudy face that says you know you 120 00:06:46,760 --> 00:06:49,920 Speaker 2: want me. Modeling is how he became friends with Paul 121 00:06:49,920 --> 00:06:53,200 Speaker 2: and Omar in the first place. But now the legend 122 00:06:53,240 --> 00:06:58,120 Speaker 2: of Billy Digiglio hustling superhero truly begins. 123 00:06:58,920 --> 00:07:02,480 Speaker 3: Billy was one of those people who just never believed 124 00:07:02,520 --> 00:07:07,560 Speaker 3: in being broke, Like money was always something that Billy 125 00:07:07,600 --> 00:07:10,520 Speaker 3: could get his hands on, no matter regardless of what. 126 00:07:11,640 --> 00:07:14,320 Speaker 3: He would cut a bread, any bread now, I'll be 127 00:07:14,400 --> 00:07:16,200 Speaker 3: right back and it'll come. 128 00:07:16,120 --> 00:07:19,480 Speaker 4: Back with three four or five hundred thousand, and Billy 129 00:07:19,640 --> 00:07:21,880 Speaker 4: was fearless. 130 00:07:22,240 --> 00:07:25,600 Speaker 3: I remember what time we were walking off Madison Avenue Billion. 131 00:07:25,720 --> 00:07:28,240 Speaker 3: I think we were on our way to see the 132 00:07:28,400 --> 00:07:32,240 Speaker 3: Trugo who used to date Houston. And we're walking on 133 00:07:32,360 --> 00:07:36,720 Speaker 3: Madison Avenue and Billy goes, oh, keep walking, and the 134 00:07:36,720 --> 00:07:38,200 Speaker 3: what are you doing? He said, just keep walking, I 135 00:07:38,320 --> 00:07:44,520 Speaker 3: catch up. Fifteen seconds went by. 136 00:07:45,120 --> 00:07:50,240 Speaker 7: And I hear it, police, police, and Billy runs right 137 00:07:50,720 --> 00:07:55,640 Speaker 7: past me with a big warhole painting. 138 00:07:57,760 --> 00:08:01,320 Speaker 4: He just went to the gallery. It was on the window, 139 00:08:01,440 --> 00:08:02,760 Speaker 4: took it and took off. 140 00:08:06,960 --> 00:08:09,240 Speaker 2: We tried to ask Billy if this story was true. 141 00:08:09,920 --> 00:08:14,400 Speaker 2: It seems almost impossible. It's true since the lost Warhol painting, 142 00:08:14,720 --> 00:08:17,160 Speaker 2: even in the nineteen eighties, it was worth a lot 143 00:08:17,200 --> 00:08:18,520 Speaker 2: of money, but he. 144 00:08:18,480 --> 00:08:19,680 Speaker 5: Didn't let us know on that. 145 00:08:20,560 --> 00:08:23,600 Speaker 2: Still, he was now Omar and Paul's best shot at 146 00:08:23,640 --> 00:08:27,000 Speaker 2: staying solvent, so they really had to stick by him. 147 00:08:34,120 --> 00:08:36,960 Speaker 2: So Omar and Paul are shit out of luck, and 148 00:08:37,040 --> 00:08:40,600 Speaker 2: their best chance to make money is Billy Dijiglio. He's 149 00:08:40,679 --> 00:08:43,439 Speaker 2: the world's bravest man. He's a magician who can make 150 00:08:43,520 --> 00:08:46,720 Speaker 2: money appear out of thin air. But those kinds of 151 00:08:46,760 --> 00:08:50,960 Speaker 2: skills tend to be forged in some dark places. In 152 00:08:50,960 --> 00:08:53,280 Speaker 2: Billy's case, he was kicked out of his mother's home 153 00:08:53,320 --> 00:08:56,720 Speaker 2: at a young age. Back then, he actually went to 154 00:08:56,760 --> 00:09:00,120 Speaker 2: the same high school as Paul in the San Fernando Valley. 155 00:09:00,280 --> 00:09:03,120 Speaker 8: I didn't know Paul in high school or junior high school. 156 00:09:03,400 --> 00:09:06,240 Speaker 8: He was a popular guy. Him and his brother were 157 00:09:06,280 --> 00:09:09,240 Speaker 8: the athletes. I I didn't really know him. I didn't 158 00:09:09,240 --> 00:09:12,160 Speaker 8: know him at all. His girlfriend was friends with my sister. 159 00:09:12,960 --> 00:09:15,240 Speaker 2: But after Billy's mom kicked him out, he went to 160 00:09:15,280 --> 00:09:18,200 Speaker 2: live with his father in New York, where his dad 161 00:09:18,280 --> 00:09:23,560 Speaker 2: ran a business installing fire sprinkler systems, so that means 162 00:09:23,600 --> 00:09:26,360 Speaker 2: his dad would sometimes find himself in places that the 163 00:09:26,440 --> 00:09:29,880 Speaker 2: average blue collar guy might not be able to access. 164 00:09:30,400 --> 00:09:31,960 Speaker 5: This intrigued Billy. 165 00:09:32,320 --> 00:09:34,439 Speaker 8: I asked my father once, I said, do you think 166 00:09:34,480 --> 00:09:37,160 Speaker 8: we could go to a studio before for my birthday? 167 00:09:37,960 --> 00:09:40,439 Speaker 8: And he says, Bill, you will never see the inside 168 00:09:40,440 --> 00:09:40,960 Speaker 8: of that club. 169 00:09:41,760 --> 00:09:45,000 Speaker 2: But then one day Billy was hanging out with a girl. 170 00:09:45,240 --> 00:09:48,079 Speaker 8: She said, we're going to go to studio tonights' the studio, yeah, 171 00:09:48,120 --> 00:09:48,680 Speaker 8: fifty four. 172 00:09:48,960 --> 00:09:50,439 Speaker 4: I said, oh cool. 173 00:09:51,240 --> 00:09:53,720 Speaker 8: Well, around midnight, we get in a taxi cab. We 174 00:09:53,840 --> 00:09:55,800 Speaker 8: get out of the car, we come out on fifty 175 00:09:55,840 --> 00:09:58,480 Speaker 8: fourth Street, and I like said, oh, whoa, the whole 176 00:09:58,520 --> 00:10:00,000 Speaker 8: street was completely packed. 177 00:10:00,240 --> 00:10:01,679 Speaker 4: Well this girl she pulls. 178 00:10:01,440 --> 00:10:05,559 Speaker 8: Me through and then looks a tall bounce sister, or 179 00:10:05,559 --> 00:10:07,920 Speaker 8: how you doing tonight? He says, good, good, thank you, 180 00:10:08,160 --> 00:10:11,200 Speaker 8: And I'm still facing like the wall, you know, not 181 00:10:11,280 --> 00:10:13,360 Speaker 8: even the street. Ifellas turned around and be looking at 182 00:10:13,360 --> 00:10:15,719 Speaker 8: all these people, right and all of a sudden she 183 00:10:15,800 --> 00:10:19,280 Speaker 8: stops like three steps in and I hear let me say, 184 00:10:20,120 --> 00:10:22,880 Speaker 8: aren't you going to introduce me to your friend? And 185 00:10:23,000 --> 00:10:27,520 Speaker 8: I turn around, Jamie saying of course, Stevie. This is Billy. 186 00:10:27,800 --> 00:10:31,760 Speaker 2: Stevie is Steve Rubel, the founder of Studio fifty four. 187 00:10:32,480 --> 00:10:34,440 Speaker 5: He's a New York kingmaker. 188 00:10:33,960 --> 00:10:37,520 Speaker 2: Who decides who's in and who's out at that velvet 189 00:10:37,600 --> 00:10:40,880 Speaker 2: rope at the most coveted club in the world. 190 00:10:41,400 --> 00:10:44,280 Speaker 8: This guy grabs my hand and she says, is there's 191 00:10:44,280 --> 00:10:48,640 Speaker 8: anything you need, just let me know. And this girl says, 192 00:10:48,800 --> 00:10:53,400 Speaker 8: you can start by giving them a job. And he says, okay, 193 00:10:53,480 --> 00:10:57,839 Speaker 8: you want to work here. I said, yeah, me's it's spontaneous. 194 00:10:58,120 --> 00:11:01,800 Speaker 8: And he says, okay me and here tomorrow at twelve 195 00:11:01,880 --> 00:11:06,560 Speaker 8: noon at the fifty third Street entrance. You start tomorrow night. 196 00:11:10,920 --> 00:11:12,240 Speaker 5: Billy becomes a bus boy. 197 00:11:12,679 --> 00:11:15,360 Speaker 2: He's sort of like Omar having his coming of age 198 00:11:15,360 --> 00:11:16,320 Speaker 2: here at studio. 199 00:11:16,559 --> 00:11:17,480 Speaker 5: As people called. 200 00:11:17,320 --> 00:11:20,800 Speaker 8: It, I was a bus boy. I wore shorts and 201 00:11:20,880 --> 00:11:23,640 Speaker 8: tennis shoes and that's it. The bartenders were tank tops, 202 00:11:23,760 --> 00:11:26,040 Speaker 8: I think maybe a bow tie around their neck. The 203 00:11:26,080 --> 00:11:29,480 Speaker 8: waiters wore tank tops, and we wore nothing like I've 204 00:11:29,480 --> 00:11:32,360 Speaker 8: got jim shorts and like from a high school gym class, 205 00:11:32,400 --> 00:11:35,720 Speaker 8: you know, just loose, baggy, you know, shorts. You know, 206 00:11:35,840 --> 00:11:37,360 Speaker 8: nobody said a word to me. You know, it's like 207 00:11:37,440 --> 00:11:38,360 Speaker 8: it was okay because that. 208 00:11:38,320 --> 00:11:42,199 Speaker 2: Was so beautiful and this kind of work inevitably turns 209 00:11:42,240 --> 00:11:43,240 Speaker 2: into something else. 210 00:11:43,800 --> 00:11:47,839 Speaker 8: Being at Suited fifty four every night, so I worked. 211 00:11:47,600 --> 00:11:47,920 Speaker 6: I worked. 212 00:11:47,920 --> 00:11:50,040 Speaker 8: If I didn't, that was still there because it was 213 00:11:50,120 --> 00:11:51,960 Speaker 8: a fun place. And I was getting picked up at 214 00:11:52,000 --> 00:11:55,880 Speaker 8: studio by these people, you know, very well off. You know, 215 00:11:56,559 --> 00:11:58,280 Speaker 8: whatever you want, how much do you want? You know, 216 00:11:58,559 --> 00:12:00,520 Speaker 8: I'll give you whatever you want to be Just come 217 00:12:00,559 --> 00:12:02,079 Speaker 8: home with me tonight, I come home with us, you 218 00:12:02,120 --> 00:12:04,720 Speaker 8: know that kind of thing. But it was very It 219 00:12:04,760 --> 00:12:08,200 Speaker 8: was irresistible for me at the time. You know, the 220 00:12:08,320 --> 00:12:11,280 Speaker 8: fast money and more money than I needed for anything. 221 00:12:15,240 --> 00:12:18,400 Speaker 2: Not many people in Billy's life have stepped up for him, 222 00:12:18,720 --> 00:12:22,040 Speaker 2: but when Paul and Omar fall in hard times, Billy 223 00:12:22,080 --> 00:12:23,320 Speaker 2: wants to be there for them. 224 00:12:24,480 --> 00:12:29,640 Speaker 8: Yeah, they were struggling. You know, that's kind of sad 225 00:12:29,880 --> 00:12:33,200 Speaker 8: think about their struggling. And I don't like to see 226 00:12:33,200 --> 00:12:34,280 Speaker 8: people struggle anyway. 227 00:12:35,000 --> 00:12:38,760 Speaker 2: So Billy earned money for himself and his friends the 228 00:12:38,920 --> 00:12:40,319 Speaker 2: fastest way he knew. 229 00:12:40,360 --> 00:12:44,840 Speaker 5: How I knew I could get money by streaking. 230 00:12:46,080 --> 00:12:49,560 Speaker 8: I could go to fifty third Street between second and third. 231 00:12:49,679 --> 00:12:53,640 Speaker 8: That's like the run the street where the bars that 232 00:12:53,720 --> 00:12:56,199 Speaker 8: you go in to get picked up, or if you're 233 00:12:56,200 --> 00:12:58,400 Speaker 8: walking in the street, you would walk fifty third Street 234 00:12:58,920 --> 00:13:01,880 Speaker 8: from third to second thing and go left and go 235 00:13:01,960 --> 00:13:04,880 Speaker 8: to fifty fourth Street and come back around. You know, 236 00:13:05,480 --> 00:13:09,320 Speaker 8: you do that lap. They get picked up, you know, 237 00:13:09,360 --> 00:13:10,640 Speaker 8: and then you have to go through whatever you were 238 00:13:10,679 --> 00:13:12,600 Speaker 8: going to do. And it was usually not much. You know, 239 00:13:12,640 --> 00:13:15,800 Speaker 8: it's like I just want to suck your dick, you know, like, okay, 240 00:13:16,520 --> 00:13:18,760 Speaker 8: it's just much. One hundred dollars or one hundred and 241 00:13:18,760 --> 00:13:21,640 Speaker 8: fifty or fifty dollars or whatever, depending and that was it, 242 00:13:21,720 --> 00:13:25,360 Speaker 8: you know, After wherever, it was to their place or whatever. 243 00:13:25,880 --> 00:13:28,560 Speaker 2: And after this it was back to Omar and Paul's 244 00:13:28,559 --> 00:13:30,160 Speaker 2: apartment get. 245 00:13:29,960 --> 00:13:33,880 Speaker 8: The money, and then go back to Palls or Omars 246 00:13:34,520 --> 00:13:39,480 Speaker 8: and give them the money that they needed, or stay 247 00:13:39,520 --> 00:13:40,520 Speaker 8: out and get more money. 248 00:13:40,840 --> 00:13:43,400 Speaker 5: This friendship was deeply complicated. 249 00:13:43,840 --> 00:13:47,079 Speaker 8: I always shared my money, and that's that's a problem, 250 00:13:47,120 --> 00:13:51,640 Speaker 8: you know, because I've shared too much over the years. 251 00:13:51,880 --> 00:13:54,440 Speaker 2: But they all helped each other back then by sharing 252 00:13:54,480 --> 00:13:56,080 Speaker 2: cash sharing moments. 253 00:13:56,520 --> 00:13:59,160 Speaker 8: I love these guys, I mean I still do, like crazy. 254 00:13:59,720 --> 00:14:03,080 Speaker 8: We used to listen to Shah Day a lot and 255 00:14:03,200 --> 00:14:05,000 Speaker 8: they would sign. He would say, is. 256 00:14:04,960 --> 00:14:11,480 Speaker 4: It a crime and I still love you? Is it crumb? 257 00:14:13,000 --> 00:14:17,880 Speaker 8: And then he would say, Billy Digilio, I can't believe 258 00:14:17,960 --> 00:14:21,960 Speaker 8: that's you're in the aim inciving me insa aim. 259 00:14:22,960 --> 00:14:25,080 Speaker 4: Billy Digilios own. 260 00:14:25,040 --> 00:14:31,480 Speaker 8: The aime, you know, Omar, you know, yeah, it was something. 261 00:14:33,640 --> 00:14:36,040 Speaker 2: All this time, Billy's working on the fringes of the 262 00:14:36,040 --> 00:14:40,720 Speaker 2: modeling industry. He's probably best described as an aspiring model. 263 00:14:41,320 --> 00:14:45,800 Speaker 2: But eventually Omar and Paul help him book some sizeable gigs. 264 00:14:46,080 --> 00:14:49,560 Speaker 8: You know, I got a couple jobs, like a big 265 00:14:49,600 --> 00:14:52,200 Speaker 8: guest campaign that would say, okay, we need a guest genes, 266 00:14:52,280 --> 00:14:55,520 Speaker 8: we need fifteen models for this thing. So fourteen of 267 00:14:55,600 --> 00:14:57,200 Speaker 8: us were back around, you know, and one guy was 268 00:14:57,200 --> 00:14:58,560 Speaker 8: the main guy. 269 00:14:58,600 --> 00:15:00,800 Speaker 2: It sort of sounds to me like Billy may have 270 00:15:01,120 --> 00:15:04,360 Speaker 2: made more turning tricks than he ever did as a model. 271 00:15:05,200 --> 00:15:08,520 Speaker 2: And stories like his are among the dirty secrets of 272 00:15:08,560 --> 00:15:12,800 Speaker 2: the modeling industry. For some desperate for money, it can 273 00:15:12,840 --> 00:15:15,160 Speaker 2: be a sudden slide from selling your body to be 274 00:15:15,200 --> 00:15:20,440 Speaker 2: photographed in clothes to actually selling your body. And Paul 275 00:15:20,720 --> 00:15:25,360 Speaker 2: knows this dirty secret, and certain people looking for certain 276 00:15:25,440 --> 00:15:27,480 Speaker 2: things know that Paul might. 277 00:15:27,360 --> 00:15:29,680 Speaker 5: Be able to get them what they want. 278 00:15:29,960 --> 00:15:33,800 Speaker 2: I mean Larry Lynd funded an entire modeling agency just 279 00:15:33,880 --> 00:15:36,880 Speaker 2: so Paul could help him sleep with women. But there's 280 00:15:36,920 --> 00:15:49,000 Speaker 2: also a more direct path to Paul's girls. One day, 281 00:15:49,160 --> 00:15:51,440 Speaker 2: Paul's in his apartment when he gets a phone call 282 00:15:51,520 --> 00:15:54,560 Speaker 2: from a guy he's met before. It's a movie producer 283 00:15:54,720 --> 00:15:55,920 Speaker 2: named Robert Evans. 284 00:15:56,280 --> 00:16:00,360 Speaker 6: Evans thought the agency was still open. He had no clue, 285 00:16:00,960 --> 00:16:03,520 Speaker 6: and I wasn't about to tell him that the agency 286 00:16:03,600 --> 00:16:04,240 Speaker 6: was closed down. 287 00:16:05,080 --> 00:16:08,120 Speaker 2: To call Bob Evans a movie producer is sort of 288 00:16:08,160 --> 00:16:12,600 Speaker 2: like calling Studio fifty four a dance club. Evans was one, 289 00:16:12,840 --> 00:16:17,360 Speaker 2: if not the most significant producer in all of Hollywood. 290 00:16:17,640 --> 00:16:21,760 Speaker 2: He was the guy behind The Godfather, Chinatown, Rosemary's Baby. 291 00:16:22,160 --> 00:16:24,560 Speaker 2: The list just goes on and on. So the two 292 00:16:24,640 --> 00:16:26,440 Speaker 2: of them are on the phone. 293 00:16:26,040 --> 00:16:29,720 Speaker 6: And Evans said, Hey, Paul, a kid, turn on the 294 00:16:29,760 --> 00:16:33,200 Speaker 6: TV set. And I said okay, And I turned on 295 00:16:33,200 --> 00:16:34,920 Speaker 6: the TV said he said, you see that guy over. 296 00:16:34,800 --> 00:16:35,800 Speaker 5: There on the TV. 297 00:16:36,160 --> 00:16:38,960 Speaker 2: Paul sees the players in the biggest news story of 298 00:16:38,960 --> 00:16:42,520 Speaker 2: the time, the Iran Contra scandal, when members of the 299 00:16:42,560 --> 00:16:47,120 Speaker 2: Reagan administration secretly trafficked weapons to Iran even though it 300 00:16:47,200 --> 00:16:48,560 Speaker 2: was under an arms embargo. 301 00:16:48,960 --> 00:16:50,920 Speaker 3: What has been going on here is an attempt to 302 00:16:51,040 --> 00:16:55,160 Speaker 3: establish whether or not laws established by Congress were violated, 303 00:16:55,200 --> 00:16:57,800 Speaker 3: most notably, among other things, the Arms Export Control Act. 304 00:16:58,000 --> 00:17:01,480 Speaker 2: The TV has pictures up of Senator Oliver North, and 305 00:17:01,560 --> 00:17:05,720 Speaker 2: then there's also a non Koshogi. He's a mustachioed arms 306 00:17:05,720 --> 00:17:08,480 Speaker 2: dealer and a supervillain. 307 00:17:07,880 --> 00:17:11,720 Speaker 9: Adnan Kashogi. A lifestyle of heroic excess is matched only 308 00:17:11,800 --> 00:17:14,639 Speaker 9: by the zeal of the global press to explain this 309 00:17:14,760 --> 00:17:18,520 Speaker 9: mysterious mogul, whose name and face appear in headlines across 310 00:17:18,520 --> 00:17:23,280 Speaker 9: the world, scene with barad Orliza or Frank Sinatra, and 311 00:17:23,400 --> 00:17:26,800 Speaker 9: pictured in the tabloids with Jackie O and John College. 312 00:17:26,840 --> 00:17:29,560 Speaker 2: Now, Kashogi was known to be one of the world's 313 00:17:29,600 --> 00:17:33,600 Speaker 2: biggest spenders. He traveled with a massuse and a chiropractor. 314 00:17:33,960 --> 00:17:36,720 Speaker 2: He had a super yacht in the nineteen eighties when 315 00:17:36,880 --> 00:17:40,800 Speaker 2: few other rich guys had them. Time magazine once wrote 316 00:17:41,000 --> 00:17:45,560 Speaker 2: that Koushogi's unrivaled profligacy guilds his self image as a 317 00:17:45,640 --> 00:17:50,040 Speaker 2: grand merchant statesman. In other words, it sort of covered 318 00:17:50,080 --> 00:17:55,159 Speaker 2: up the whole illegal weapons part. Additionally, Kashogi was described 319 00:17:55,359 --> 00:17:59,200 Speaker 2: in nineteen eighty nine's Vanity Fair magazine as one of 320 00:17:59,240 --> 00:18:02,240 Speaker 2: the greatest hormongers in the world. 321 00:18:02,480 --> 00:18:04,680 Speaker 6: See the guy in the right add on Kosho. He says, 322 00:18:04,800 --> 00:18:07,160 Speaker 6: you want to make five grand? I said five grand. 323 00:18:08,080 --> 00:18:11,639 Speaker 6: I'll do anything for five grand. Anything for five grand. 324 00:18:12,080 --> 00:18:14,080 Speaker 6: He says, Okay, here's what you gotta do. You got 325 00:18:14,080 --> 00:18:17,200 Speaker 6: to bring three of your models over to Kashogi. He's 326 00:18:17,240 --> 00:18:19,760 Speaker 6: going to pay you five grand. I said, I'm in. 327 00:18:20,040 --> 00:18:22,720 Speaker 6: He says, here's a phone number, calls assistant, make a time. 328 00:18:22,960 --> 00:18:25,480 Speaker 6: I've told them all about you, and all you got 329 00:18:25,480 --> 00:18:27,199 Speaker 6: to do is introduce him to three of your girls. 330 00:18:27,200 --> 00:18:30,359 Speaker 6: He's going to have sex with the three girls and 331 00:18:30,359 --> 00:18:31,800 Speaker 6: and that's as simple as that. He's going to pay 332 00:18:31,800 --> 00:18:33,119 Speaker 6: you five grand. I'm like, shit, I'm in. 333 00:18:34,040 --> 00:18:40,399 Speaker 2: Okay, gross, but Paul's quote unquote girls are models, they're 334 00:18:40,440 --> 00:18:41,679 Speaker 2: not sex workers. 335 00:18:43,040 --> 00:18:46,040 Speaker 3: I do remember the day he left to meet this guy. 336 00:18:47,720 --> 00:18:49,880 Speaker 3: We were all in the apartment. We were like four 337 00:18:49,920 --> 00:18:53,680 Speaker 3: of us in the Impulse apartment. And these are the 338 00:18:53,760 --> 00:18:56,879 Speaker 3: days that you couldn't evict people. You couldn't evict people 339 00:18:56,920 --> 00:18:59,119 Speaker 3: if they're inside their house. I don't know if that 340 00:18:59,200 --> 00:19:02,640 Speaker 3: still happens in the back in those days. To evict someone, 341 00:19:02,960 --> 00:19:07,520 Speaker 3: they got to be out of the apartment, and Paulie said, yeah, 342 00:19:07,520 --> 00:19:10,119 Speaker 3: I'm gonna go meet this guy. And he has a 343 00:19:10,160 --> 00:19:13,080 Speaker 3: portfolio with like two hundred girls. 344 00:19:14,520 --> 00:19:15,280 Speaker 5: Paul's at the door. 345 00:19:15,400 --> 00:19:18,320 Speaker 2: He says, to meet Kashoggi at his suite at the 346 00:19:18,400 --> 00:19:20,240 Speaker 2: Helmsley Palace hotel. 347 00:19:22,600 --> 00:19:25,440 Speaker 6: Now it's pissing rain and I think the Helmsey Palace 348 00:19:25,520 --> 00:19:27,680 Speaker 6: is like on the fortieth or fiftieth Street something like that. 349 00:19:28,200 --> 00:19:30,080 Speaker 6: I'm walking in the freaking rain. There's a book of 350 00:19:30,119 --> 00:19:33,240 Speaker 6: my models underneath my arm. I get to the Helmsey 351 00:19:33,280 --> 00:19:35,800 Speaker 6: Palace and there's these two people, Kevin and this woman 352 00:19:35,840 --> 00:19:39,199 Speaker 6: who's like some important producer woman. They come out, they 353 00:19:39,200 --> 00:19:40,560 Speaker 6: greet me and they say, how are you doing. Nice 354 00:19:40,560 --> 00:19:42,359 Speaker 6: to meet you. They start looking through my book of 355 00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,200 Speaker 6: girls and they say, we'll take these three. And I said, yeah, 356 00:19:44,200 --> 00:19:46,359 Speaker 6: I got to meet the man. And they said, oh no, 357 00:19:46,400 --> 00:19:48,120 Speaker 6: he doesn't meet anybody. I said, I got to meet 358 00:19:48,119 --> 00:19:50,359 Speaker 6: the man and they said, oh, oh no, he doesn't 359 00:19:50,359 --> 00:19:53,080 Speaker 6: meet anybody. I said, Robert Evans introduced us. I got 360 00:19:53,080 --> 00:19:54,480 Speaker 6: to meet the man because in the back of my mind, 361 00:19:54,480 --> 00:19:56,840 Speaker 6: I'm thinking I'm about to meet one of the richest 362 00:19:56,840 --> 00:19:59,480 Speaker 6: guys on the planet. Maybe he'll finance an agency for me. 363 00:20:01,119 --> 00:20:05,000 Speaker 2: I mean, if you lose your alleged mobster funding, why 364 00:20:05,000 --> 00:20:07,200 Speaker 2: not upgrade to a legal arms. 365 00:20:07,000 --> 00:20:09,560 Speaker 6: Dealer sales technique one oh one, turn your back on 366 00:20:09,600 --> 00:20:11,480 Speaker 6: the order. So they say, okay, wait, wait, wait, wait 367 00:20:11,480 --> 00:20:13,760 Speaker 6: a second. They go into another room. They come back. 368 00:20:13,800 --> 00:20:15,520 Speaker 6: They said, okay, mister k is going to meet you. 369 00:20:16,280 --> 00:20:18,640 Speaker 6: Mister Koshogi comes out. He's this little Persian dude. We're 370 00:20:18,640 --> 00:20:21,320 Speaker 6: in a white calf can. He looks at my book 371 00:20:21,359 --> 00:20:23,480 Speaker 6: of models and he picks out three models, totally different 372 00:20:23,480 --> 00:20:27,359 Speaker 6: models than his assistants picked out. We're fucking rich. This 373 00:20:27,440 --> 00:20:28,040 Speaker 6: is amazing. 374 00:20:29,640 --> 00:20:32,280 Speaker 2: Back at the apartment, Omar and the guys are hanging 375 00:20:32,320 --> 00:20:34,720 Speaker 2: out keeping their anti eviction vigil. 376 00:20:35,040 --> 00:20:37,680 Speaker 3: So here we are sitting at the apartment broke as hell, 377 00:20:38,480 --> 00:20:40,920 Speaker 3: and Paulie shows up like here was the old trick again, 378 00:20:41,000 --> 00:20:43,560 Speaker 3: knock on the door and start throwing hundreds under the door. 379 00:20:44,119 --> 00:20:45,720 Speaker 4: We're like, oh, we're rich. 380 00:20:46,520 --> 00:20:50,000 Speaker 2: One hundred dollars bills are just floating into the apartment. 381 00:20:50,840 --> 00:20:52,280 Speaker 5: But now what. 382 00:20:52,560 --> 00:20:56,400 Speaker 4: Okay, well, now we had to find girls for these guys. 383 00:20:57,040 --> 00:21:02,159 Speaker 2: Paul never had any intention of introducing Kush to actual models. 384 00:21:02,440 --> 00:21:05,520 Speaker 6: I have no contact information on these models. That are 385 00:21:05,520 --> 00:21:09,359 Speaker 6: inside this book. Nor would I ever introduce this arms 386 00:21:09,359 --> 00:21:12,199 Speaker 6: dealer to these girls, even if I did have the 387 00:21:12,240 --> 00:21:13,160 Speaker 6: contact information. 388 00:21:13,600 --> 00:21:20,240 Speaker 2: But facilitating some current sex workers into meeting Koshogi, that's 389 00:21:20,280 --> 00:21:21,080 Speaker 2: a different story. 390 00:21:21,480 --> 00:21:24,920 Speaker 6: I picked up this porn magazine at the time called 391 00:21:25,040 --> 00:21:28,879 Speaker 6: Screw Magazine, and I interviewed twenty to thirty girls that 392 00:21:29,000 --> 00:21:31,760 Speaker 6: looked like those girls that he picked out. So I 393 00:21:31,760 --> 00:21:33,359 Speaker 6: didn't like him. I give him thirty forty bucks for 394 00:21:33,400 --> 00:21:35,840 Speaker 6: their taxi cab money, saying no, sorry, not interested, thank 395 00:21:35,840 --> 00:21:37,960 Speaker 6: you very much, go home. But the three that looked 396 00:21:38,000 --> 00:21:40,800 Speaker 6: like him, I said, hey, listen, I got to tell 397 00:21:40,840 --> 00:21:42,080 Speaker 6: you something. How would you like to meet one of 398 00:21:42,080 --> 00:21:44,040 Speaker 6: the richest cats in the you know, on the planet, 399 00:21:44,280 --> 00:21:46,240 Speaker 6: and he'll pay you thousands of dollars? You got to 400 00:21:46,280 --> 00:21:48,600 Speaker 6: go sleep with them? They were into it. So what 401 00:21:48,640 --> 00:21:51,600 Speaker 6: did I do. I took those three girls. I walked 402 00:21:51,600 --> 00:21:54,760 Speaker 6: across the street to the gap. I bought them all 403 00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,440 Speaker 6: kinds of clothes that made them look like models, with 404 00:21:57,680 --> 00:22:00,800 Speaker 6: black leggings, t shirts, et cetera, et cetera. So they'd 405 00:22:00,800 --> 00:22:04,200 Speaker 6: walk in with very little makeup, very little hair, looking 406 00:22:04,240 --> 00:22:06,679 Speaker 6: like freaking models. And then I sent them over to 407 00:22:06,640 --> 00:22:07,320 Speaker 6: mister Shogi. 408 00:22:08,880 --> 00:22:12,320 Speaker 2: According to Paul, Kashoki was just fine with this arrangement. 409 00:22:12,600 --> 00:22:16,280 Speaker 3: He didn't even care. He never questioned it, and he 410 00:22:16,320 --> 00:22:21,080 Speaker 3: paid the money. The funny part is that the money 411 00:22:21,080 --> 00:22:23,200 Speaker 3: that he paid us, Yeah, we are broke as hell. 412 00:22:23,240 --> 00:22:25,400 Speaker 3: We haven't that money in a minute, and you get 413 00:22:25,440 --> 00:22:28,920 Speaker 3: that money and we blew it in like forty eight hours. 414 00:22:30,040 --> 00:22:32,159 Speaker 4: Forty eight hours that money was gone. 415 00:22:32,720 --> 00:22:36,560 Speaker 3: Then we went to like Atlantic Citio, got a big hotel, 416 00:22:37,560 --> 00:22:39,679 Speaker 3: limousines and we lived. 417 00:22:39,480 --> 00:22:42,040 Speaker 4: Up the lighte for like forty eight hours and get 418 00:22:42,080 --> 00:22:43,200 Speaker 4: back to the city broke. 419 00:22:43,600 --> 00:22:49,640 Speaker 3: You know, the Kashogi experience was pretty intense, pretty pretty intense. 420 00:22:50,480 --> 00:22:54,440 Speaker 2: A week later, Paul claims, movie producer Bob Evans called 421 00:22:54,520 --> 00:22:55,080 Speaker 2: him to. 422 00:22:55,119 --> 00:23:00,119 Speaker 6: Check in and he said, kid, there's some guys in 423 00:23:00,160 --> 00:23:05,320 Speaker 6: Brazil that need your skill set. I'm like, okay, what's 424 00:23:05,359 --> 00:23:09,840 Speaker 6: my skill set? You're really good with girls. I said, okay. 425 00:23:10,160 --> 00:23:14,240 Speaker 6: They're opening up like a club meb for singles. You 426 00:23:14,280 --> 00:23:18,280 Speaker 6: want to go make twenty five K. I'm like, Bobby, 427 00:23:19,080 --> 00:23:22,919 Speaker 6: I'm straight, I'll blow you for twenty five K. And 428 00:23:22,960 --> 00:23:26,000 Speaker 6: I'm straight. Brother. I said, yeah, of course I'll go, 429 00:23:26,000 --> 00:23:29,399 Speaker 6: but I'm only on one condition. I want my partner 430 00:23:29,440 --> 00:23:32,240 Speaker 6: Omar to come with me. He speaks Portuguese. I want 431 00:23:32,240 --> 00:23:33,040 Speaker 6: to bring home me with me. 432 00:23:33,760 --> 00:23:37,840 Speaker 3: So these guys hired us to go to Brazil, meet girls, 433 00:23:38,520 --> 00:23:42,840 Speaker 3: talk to these girls about being escorts for these guys. 434 00:23:43,560 --> 00:23:46,800 Speaker 3: These guys get to pick a girl every night. Now, 435 00:23:46,840 --> 00:23:49,600 Speaker 3: these are the days that a street walker in Brazil 436 00:23:49,800 --> 00:23:53,920 Speaker 3: was probably getting like forty dollars. So when you tell 437 00:23:53,920 --> 00:23:56,439 Speaker 3: a girl in Brazil, hey, you could get three hundred 438 00:23:56,480 --> 00:23:59,080 Speaker 3: and fifty bucks one person. 439 00:23:59,240 --> 00:23:59,680 Speaker 4: That's it. 440 00:24:00,040 --> 00:24:03,000 Speaker 3: Don't have to go out and be with twenty men 441 00:24:03,040 --> 00:24:04,919 Speaker 3: in one day or ten men in one day. So 442 00:24:05,000 --> 00:24:09,760 Speaker 3: Paulie would would He got the eye and I speak Portuguese, 443 00:24:09,880 --> 00:24:10,680 Speaker 3: so I'm like, all right. 444 00:24:10,720 --> 00:24:12,639 Speaker 4: Let's do this. This is kind of cool. Let's go 445 00:24:12,680 --> 00:24:13,200 Speaker 4: to Brazil. 446 00:24:13,880 --> 00:24:16,120 Speaker 3: So I told my brother about it, and my brother 447 00:24:16,280 --> 00:24:20,720 Speaker 3: is like, hell no, you're not going. So these guys 448 00:24:20,800 --> 00:24:23,439 Speaker 3: already gave us like an advance at twenty five grand 449 00:24:24,119 --> 00:24:25,920 Speaker 3: and I'm like, yeah. 450 00:24:25,760 --> 00:24:26,920 Speaker 4: It's all this good, all is good. 451 00:24:26,920 --> 00:24:28,920 Speaker 3: But I didn't I never told Paulie that I didn't 452 00:24:28,960 --> 00:24:32,280 Speaker 3: have my passport. My brother had my passport, and my 453 00:24:32,320 --> 00:24:34,400 Speaker 3: brothers you know, I'm trying to get my brother give 454 00:24:34,400 --> 00:24:34,680 Speaker 3: me my. 455 00:24:34,680 --> 00:24:37,720 Speaker 4: Passport and he and I are going at it. We're going, 456 00:24:37,760 --> 00:24:38,360 Speaker 4: we're going, We're going. 457 00:24:38,359 --> 00:24:41,639 Speaker 3: And the day we're leaving, I still don't have my passport. 458 00:24:42,560 --> 00:24:45,520 Speaker 3: So they come to pick us up. I'm in my 459 00:24:45,600 --> 00:24:48,560 Speaker 3: apartment downtown. Pauli is uptown. They go in the limo 460 00:24:48,640 --> 00:24:50,879 Speaker 3: to pick him up, and then they come down to 461 00:24:50,920 --> 00:24:51,840 Speaker 3: my apartment to. 462 00:24:51,800 --> 00:24:54,920 Speaker 4: Pick me up, and they're downstairs honking. I don't open 463 00:24:54,960 --> 00:24:58,600 Speaker 4: the door, I don't pick up the phone, nothing. I 464 00:24:58,880 --> 00:25:04,320 Speaker 4: just miss in action. So Paulie goes, he has to go. 465 00:25:04,440 --> 00:25:07,840 Speaker 4: I mean, he's with these real the real deal. 466 00:25:08,200 --> 00:25:10,639 Speaker 3: You know, these guys could just put him out and 467 00:25:10,680 --> 00:25:13,920 Speaker 3: throw him in the East River. I'm like, oh my god, 468 00:25:14,040 --> 00:25:16,120 Speaker 3: I just said no to the mafia. 469 00:25:17,480 --> 00:25:18,879 Speaker 4: And Paulie left. 470 00:25:20,560 --> 00:25:22,160 Speaker 6: I go to the airport. I get on the plane. 471 00:25:22,240 --> 00:25:24,880 Speaker 6: I end up at the Copacabana in Brazil, in Rio, 472 00:25:26,000 --> 00:25:28,520 Speaker 6: and they I get the phone. Phone call comes in. 473 00:25:28,560 --> 00:25:30,159 Speaker 6: They say, hey, the guys want to meet you. Come 474 00:25:30,160 --> 00:25:33,359 Speaker 6: on down to their suite. So I said, that's fantastic. 475 00:25:33,400 --> 00:25:34,959 Speaker 6: Let me go meet these guys. So they open up 476 00:25:34,960 --> 00:25:38,720 Speaker 6: the door. I walk in to a freaking like a 477 00:25:38,800 --> 00:25:42,840 Speaker 6: military operation. I'm looking at uzzies and guns and shotguns 478 00:25:42,840 --> 00:25:51,280 Speaker 6: and the biggest, baddest, freaking tattooed Brazilian animals. Animals. I'm like, hey, guys, 479 00:25:51,320 --> 00:25:53,440 Speaker 6: how are we doing here? Oh yeah, we're just we're 480 00:25:53,480 --> 00:25:56,199 Speaker 6: the security. We're here to protect everybody to you know. 481 00:25:56,240 --> 00:25:58,280 Speaker 6: And the one of the head guy comes out. I'm 482 00:25:58,320 --> 00:26:02,199 Speaker 6: like in a freaking movie. I just say, Hey, this 483 00:26:02,240 --> 00:26:03,879 Speaker 6: is such a pleasure to meet you. It's great to 484 00:26:03,880 --> 00:26:06,240 Speaker 6: meet you guys. You guys are great, fantastic. 485 00:26:06,960 --> 00:26:07,040 Speaker 8: You know. 486 00:26:07,080 --> 00:26:08,680 Speaker 6: I'm gonna go back to my room and crash. I 487 00:26:08,960 --> 00:26:11,399 Speaker 6: flew for a bunch of hours. Let me go, I 488 00:26:11,440 --> 00:26:14,440 Speaker 6: pack up my shit. I go straight to the airport. 489 00:26:16,280 --> 00:26:17,960 Speaker 6: I get there at like one o'clock in the morning, 490 00:26:17,960 --> 00:26:21,280 Speaker 6: twelve o'clock at night whenever. The next flight leaves at 491 00:26:21,320 --> 00:26:25,560 Speaker 6: seven in the morning back to New York City. I 492 00:26:25,560 --> 00:26:30,480 Speaker 6: am now, I'm like, I'm scared out of my freaking mind. 493 00:26:31,400 --> 00:26:33,399 Speaker 6: I just left. I didn't talk to anybody and to 494 00:26:33,520 --> 00:26:35,760 Speaker 6: tell anybody I'm leaving. I looked at those cats and 495 00:26:35,800 --> 00:26:38,719 Speaker 6: it was like, WHOA, I cannot be involved in this 496 00:26:38,760 --> 00:26:42,480 Speaker 6: freaking world. And I sat there in those six hours 497 00:26:43,119 --> 00:26:46,960 Speaker 6: at the airport, waiting for that freaking flight, and I'm 498 00:26:47,000 --> 00:26:57,320 Speaker 6: looking behind me. Every ten seconds I get back to 499 00:26:57,400 --> 00:27:00,399 Speaker 6: New York, Evans calls me, says, what hap happened? They 500 00:27:00,400 --> 00:27:03,320 Speaker 6: went everywhere looking for you, And I just said, Bobby, 501 00:27:03,359 --> 00:27:05,399 Speaker 6: I can't play this game anymore. I'm done. Brother. You 502 00:27:05,440 --> 00:27:06,800 Speaker 6: could yeah, I'm done. I'm finished. 503 00:27:08,359 --> 00:27:08,719 Speaker 5: Yeah. 504 00:27:09,000 --> 00:27:13,520 Speaker 2: A real low point. And Paul's mom, Monica, she's really 505 00:27:13,560 --> 00:27:14,400 Speaker 2: worried about him. 506 00:27:14,920 --> 00:27:16,920 Speaker 10: I could tell things weren't good. And I talked to him, 507 00:27:16,920 --> 00:27:18,679 Speaker 10: I want you to come home. I want you to 508 00:27:18,720 --> 00:27:20,920 Speaker 10: come home. I don't have the money to come home. 509 00:27:21,560 --> 00:27:25,439 Speaker 10: He was stuck there and not doing well, no money 510 00:27:25,520 --> 00:27:27,320 Speaker 10: and to be stuck in New York. And I said 511 00:27:27,359 --> 00:27:30,520 Speaker 10: to him, I'll send you a ticket. Because I was 512 00:27:30,560 --> 00:27:32,200 Speaker 10: always giving him money at the time. I was always 513 00:27:32,200 --> 00:27:34,680 Speaker 10: sending him one hundred dollars here, two hundred dollars there. 514 00:27:35,119 --> 00:27:37,119 Speaker 10: You know, you could eat for a few days in 515 00:27:37,160 --> 00:27:39,960 Speaker 10: New York and two hundred dollars. We want wealthy people, 516 00:27:40,000 --> 00:27:43,040 Speaker 10: but I would without telling my husband, I would send 517 00:27:43,119 --> 00:27:43,639 Speaker 10: him money. 518 00:27:44,119 --> 00:27:47,240 Speaker 2: So Monica is having to keep these payments that she's 519 00:27:47,400 --> 00:27:51,560 Speaker 2: sending to Paul a secret from Paul's father. But then 520 00:27:51,880 --> 00:27:53,840 Speaker 2: one night something happens. 521 00:27:54,480 --> 00:27:57,960 Speaker 10: My husband was a liquor salesman and he used to sell. 522 00:27:58,560 --> 00:28:01,680 Speaker 10: He went for Big liqu tributor, and he had some 523 00:28:01,720 --> 00:28:04,680 Speaker 10: beautiful you know, anytime a nice restaurant opened or a 524 00:28:04,760 --> 00:28:07,919 Speaker 10: nice bar or something, you know, he'd have to go 525 00:28:08,000 --> 00:28:10,080 Speaker 10: down there and you know, have dinner or have a 526 00:28:10,160 --> 00:28:12,719 Speaker 10: drink or whatever with a client. But there was this 527 00:28:12,920 --> 00:28:15,240 Speaker 10: restaurant that he had that everybody and Ellie was talking 528 00:28:15,280 --> 00:28:17,840 Speaker 10: about at the time. It was his account, and they 529 00:28:17,840 --> 00:28:19,960 Speaker 10: invited him to come down with your wife and have dinner. 530 00:28:20,000 --> 00:28:22,400 Speaker 10: And we were going out that night to go down 531 00:28:22,440 --> 00:28:26,199 Speaker 10: there and have dinner. And then just before we were leaving, 532 00:28:26,840 --> 00:28:28,800 Speaker 10: I get a phone call and it was Paul and 533 00:28:28,840 --> 00:28:31,720 Speaker 10: he said, Mom. He said, I need you to send 534 00:28:31,720 --> 00:28:36,320 Speaker 10: me money. I'm flat broke and I'm hungry. And I 535 00:28:36,359 --> 00:28:39,720 Speaker 10: took a deep breath that I said, I'm not sending 536 00:28:39,720 --> 00:28:42,480 Speaker 10: you any more money. He said, one hundred dollars. At 537 00:28:42,560 --> 00:28:44,560 Speaker 10: least it'll give me food for a few days. I said, 538 00:28:44,560 --> 00:28:46,240 Speaker 10: I'm not sending one hundred dollars. I'm not sending you 539 00:28:46,320 --> 00:28:49,080 Speaker 10: fifty dollars. And then he went down to twenty five 540 00:28:49,760 --> 00:28:52,160 Speaker 10: and I said, I'm not sending you a dime. I'll 541 00:28:52,200 --> 00:28:55,720 Speaker 10: send you a ticket to come home, but I'm not 542 00:28:56,200 --> 00:29:00,840 Speaker 10: sending a dime, and that was probably the hardest thing 543 00:29:01,080 --> 00:29:02,480 Speaker 10: with him that I had ever done. 544 00:29:02,480 --> 00:29:03,120 Speaker 4: And I hung up. 545 00:29:03,480 --> 00:29:05,080 Speaker 10: And then we go to this dinner and we have 546 00:29:05,200 --> 00:29:08,360 Speaker 10: this fancy dinner that I had no appetite for. I 547 00:29:08,440 --> 00:29:10,400 Speaker 10: picked at this and I picked it that I couldn't 548 00:29:10,400 --> 00:29:11,240 Speaker 10: tell my husband. 549 00:29:12,120 --> 00:29:14,400 Speaker 4: But when we left, we walked down and we were popped. 550 00:29:14,480 --> 00:29:16,920 Speaker 10: We had to go through an alleyway in downtown LA 551 00:29:17,400 --> 00:29:19,520 Speaker 10: that was starting to get a lot of homeless at 552 00:29:19,520 --> 00:29:23,360 Speaker 10: the time, and there was a man drinking water from 553 00:29:23,360 --> 00:29:28,160 Speaker 10: a hose, a homeless man, and he looked at me 554 00:29:28,200 --> 00:29:29,880 Speaker 10: as I walked by, and I thought, oh my god, 555 00:29:29,880 --> 00:29:30,800 Speaker 10: that could be my son. 556 00:29:31,280 --> 00:29:32,320 Speaker 5: That could be my son. 557 00:29:32,800 --> 00:29:34,760 Speaker 10: I was sick to my stomach. But I did not 558 00:29:34,920 --> 00:29:38,280 Speaker 10: send him money. But the next day I sent him 559 00:29:38,280 --> 00:29:41,400 Speaker 10: a ticket to come home. He called me and said, 560 00:29:41,400 --> 00:29:43,080 Speaker 10: send me a ticket. I need to come home. 561 00:29:45,080 --> 00:29:45,560 Speaker 6: That was it. 562 00:29:47,520 --> 00:29:52,240 Speaker 5: But of course that wasn't it not for Paul. 563 00:29:52,520 --> 00:29:55,680 Speaker 8: The other agents in the office basically took one look 564 00:29:55,720 --> 00:29:57,960 Speaker 8: at him and said, look, if you hire this maniac, we. 565 00:29:58,040 --> 00:29:59,600 Speaker 6: Out of here. I'm going to have my friend shave 566 00:29:59,680 --> 00:30:01,440 Speaker 6: your head. You're going to take off all that makeup. 567 00:30:01,440 --> 00:30:03,000 Speaker 6: I'm gonna make you look like a little boy. 568 00:30:03,120 --> 00:30:05,640 Speaker 4: My head was trippin', you know, like who am I like? 569 00:30:06,240 --> 00:30:07,560 Speaker 9: And they told me I was only as good as 570 00:30:07,640 --> 00:30:09,640 Speaker 9: my next job cover campaign, So I'm like, am I 571 00:30:09,800 --> 00:30:10,560 Speaker 9: worth anything? 572 00:30:11,480 --> 00:30:14,600 Speaker 5: That's all next? On Model Wars. 573 00:30:17,280 --> 00:30:21,240 Speaker 1: Model Wars was a production of iHeart Podcasts and Campside Media. 574 00:30:21,400 --> 00:30:24,840 Speaker 1: Listen on the iHeartRadio app, Apple Podcasts, or wherever you 575 00:30:24,840 --> 00:30:28,680 Speaker 1: get your podcasts. Model Wars was executive produced and hosted 576 00:30:28,720 --> 00:30:32,800 Speaker 1: by Vanessa Gregoriotis. 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