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Speaker 1: the attitude and the force with which they play. Joe

429
00:19:39,600 --> 00:19:42,240
Speaker 1: Burrow has that. So it's easy to bank on him,

430
00:19:42,359 --> 00:19:44,120
Speaker 1: no doubt. All right, who do you got going down

431
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Speaker 1: for this list? So look, next is Justin Herbert. And

432
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Speaker 1: we talked about Justin Herbert a little bit like coming

433
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Speaker 1: from the Senior Bowl. I think the big thing for

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Speaker 1: Justin Herbert can people get comfortable with the uh what

435
00:19:53,520 --> 00:19:56,439
Speaker 1: appears to be a very quiet persona like he seems

436
00:19:56,440 --> 00:20:00,639
Speaker 1: to be kind of introverted. Can his personality in an

437
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Speaker 1: NFL locker room. I think having been around him at

438
00:20:03,440 --> 00:20:05,439
Speaker 1: the Senior Bowl, Look, he played well. I think he

439
00:20:05,480 --> 00:20:09,239
Speaker 1: did himself UM well by by being around that He

440
00:20:09,280 --> 00:20:11,640
Speaker 1: won m v P. He played well. But more importantly,

441
00:20:11,640 --> 00:20:15,600
Speaker 1: when you watched watched him interact with teammates, watched him lead,

442
00:20:15,680 --> 00:20:19,120
Speaker 1: watched him practice, I think you come away with a

443
00:20:19,119 --> 00:20:22,200
Speaker 1: better sense of who he is. Uh. Look, I think

444
00:20:22,200 --> 00:20:25,280
Speaker 1: this guy's talented, and I think, uh, the thing that

445
00:20:25,320 --> 00:20:27,120
Speaker 1: he can't ask you can't answer. I kind of want

446
00:20:27,119 --> 00:20:30,240
Speaker 1: to know the up and down performances against big teams.

447
00:20:30,440 --> 00:20:32,320
Speaker 1: We talked about the our boring game. We talked about

448
00:20:32,400 --> 00:20:34,600
Speaker 1: some of the other moments that he has had. Last

449
00:20:34,680 --> 00:20:36,960
Speaker 1: year in the Bowl game, didn't necessarily play his best,

450
00:20:37,400 --> 00:20:40,159
Speaker 1: So which Justin Herbert is going to show up in

451
00:20:40,160 --> 00:20:44,119
Speaker 1: the National Football League? Um? Through conversations, I would like

452
00:20:44,160 --> 00:20:45,919
Speaker 1: to look get to know him a little better so

453
00:20:45,920 --> 00:20:48,439
Speaker 1: I can get a better sense of like how he's built,

454
00:20:48,440 --> 00:20:51,159
Speaker 1: how he's constructed, what is this football character like, and

455
00:20:51,200 --> 00:20:55,800
Speaker 1: how is that character going to be conveyed to his teammates. Yeah,

456
00:20:55,800 --> 00:20:57,840
Speaker 1: there's there's a lot to like about Justin Herbert. When

457
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Speaker 1: you talk about the size, the mobility of the arm strang. Um,

458
00:21:01,000 --> 00:21:04,280
Speaker 1: there's some wild throws. You saw some design quarterback run game.

459
00:21:04,320 --> 00:21:06,440
Speaker 1: What he can do there. I went back and rewatch

460
00:21:06,560 --> 00:21:09,240
Speaker 1: the the SC game the other day. He was more

461
00:21:09,320 --> 00:21:11,639
Speaker 1: aggressive with his legs and that one the opportunity to

462
00:21:11,640 --> 00:21:14,200
Speaker 1: present itself, take it and go. UM wanted to see

463
00:21:14,240 --> 00:21:16,360
Speaker 1: a little bit more of that throughout his career than

464
00:21:16,400 --> 00:21:19,719
Speaker 1: than maybe we saw, especially this year. Um, there's some

465
00:21:19,840 --> 00:21:21,119
Speaker 1: you know, in terms of what are you looking for

466
00:21:21,200 --> 00:21:23,080
Speaker 1: at the combine, There's a couple of mechanical things that

467
00:21:23,119 --> 00:21:25,399
Speaker 1: I put down here that I really want to I

468
00:21:25,440 --> 00:21:26,960
Speaker 1: really want to keep an eye on watch him throw

469
00:21:27,040 --> 00:21:31,480
Speaker 1: because uh, sometimes his his front shoulder flies open, and

470
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Speaker 1: when that happens, accuracy suffers in a big way and

471
00:21:35,040 --> 00:21:36,800
Speaker 1: you'll have some bad misses. So can you keep your

472
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Speaker 1: front shoulder tucked in? That's one thing at number two

473
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Speaker 1: And this is it's almost a feel thing. But when

474
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Speaker 1: I watched him, I wrote down several times like he's

475
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Speaker 1: guiding the football. Stop just just let it rip, man,

476
00:21:47,800 --> 00:21:50,320
Speaker 1: just throw it. And he's trying to guide it, trying

477
00:21:50,359 --> 00:21:52,439
Speaker 1: to make a perfect throw instead of just throwing the

478
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Speaker 1: ball and and when he does that, it kind of

479
00:21:54,880 --> 00:21:57,600
Speaker 1: affects his and impacts his touch. So, UM, you know

480
00:21:57,640 --> 00:21:59,160
Speaker 1: I want to see that. Just let it rip, don't

481
00:21:59,160 --> 00:22:01,920
Speaker 1: guide the football, keep your front shoulder in, Um, don't

482
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Speaker 1: fly open, and let's see, you know, how he throws

483
00:22:03,960 --> 00:22:06,000
Speaker 1: the football, because the velocity is gonna be there. Buck,

484
00:22:06,040 --> 00:22:08,040
Speaker 1: he's got a huge arm. Uh. We know he's a

485
00:22:08,040 --> 00:22:10,879
Speaker 1: really good athlete. He's a four plus student, you know,

486
00:22:10,920 --> 00:22:13,520
Speaker 1: in terms of four point no plus student, He's he's phenomenal,

487
00:22:13,840 --> 00:22:16,040
Speaker 1: um in terms of his intelligence. So I want to

488
00:22:16,040 --> 00:22:18,560
Speaker 1: see a more consistent thrower. And the one thing we

489
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Speaker 1: can't see at the combine is I just want to

490
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Speaker 1: see an overall more aggressive, attacking UH style and demeanor

491
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Speaker 1: on the field. And that's something we're not gonna get

492
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Speaker 1: see an indie. No. It's funny. So you brought up

493
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Speaker 1: a couple of things that that stand out to me. Um.

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Speaker 1: You talked about him feeling like he's guiding the ball,

495
00:22:34,840 --> 00:22:37,679
Speaker 1: like he didn't let it go and DJ and my

496
00:22:37,720 --> 00:22:41,520
Speaker 1: experience sometimes when you have high i Q players and athletes,

497
00:22:42,560 --> 00:22:45,439
Speaker 1: because they want to succeed and they want everything to

498
00:22:45,440 --> 00:22:47,640
Speaker 1: be perfect, it's hard for them to kind of cut

499
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Speaker 1: it loose and just kind of play freely. Whereas when

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Speaker 1: you look at Joe Burrow and you look at even

501
00:22:52,640 --> 00:22:54,679
Speaker 1: to it, like, man, they just kind of rip it,

502
00:22:54,760 --> 00:22:56,760
Speaker 1: you know. They just kind of play. They play through

503
00:22:56,760 --> 00:22:59,840
Speaker 1: their mistakes. They don't worry about it. And I would

504
00:22:59,840 --> 00:23:02,720
Speaker 1: like to get around Justin and just know, hey, man,

505
00:23:02,800 --> 00:23:06,119
Speaker 1: look it, it's okay to have a mistake. And I

506
00:23:06,160 --> 00:23:09,879
Speaker 1: think for Justin Herbert more than any other person, I

507
00:23:09,920 --> 00:23:13,639
Speaker 1: believe the coach and who is directly uh in touch

508
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Speaker 1: with him at the next level matters his quarterback, coach,

509
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Speaker 1: his head coach, um, if it particularly it's a head

510
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Speaker 1: coach's offense player, what is their personalities like? Because I'm

511
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Speaker 1: not saying this as a not for Justin Herbert, but

512
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Speaker 1: I believe he needs a nurturer more so than a

513
00:23:31,600 --> 00:23:36,560
Speaker 1: hard nose, grinded out coach. I think a nurturing Yeah.

514
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Speaker 1: I think a nurturer would kind of bring that out

515
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Speaker 1: in him and I think you'll see him blossom. I

516
00:23:41,440 --> 00:23:43,760
Speaker 1: think if you have one of those hard nose, grizzled

517
00:23:43,800 --> 00:23:46,680
Speaker 1: guys that it's kind of on him whacking his hand

518
00:23:46,720 --> 00:23:49,520
Speaker 1: with the ruler every day. I think that doesn't play

519
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Speaker 1: to the strong parts of his personality, and I don't

520
00:23:52,000 --> 00:23:54,480
Speaker 1: know if we'll ever see him unlock his full potential

521
00:23:54,520 --> 00:23:58,320
Speaker 1: in his game. No doubt Who's next book? After that,

522
00:23:58,359 --> 00:24:01,680
Speaker 1: I had Jordan's love, and part of the fascination I

523
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Speaker 1: believe with Jordan's love stems from what we call the

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Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes bounced. Uh. You and I sat here a

525
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Speaker 1: few years ago when Pat Mahomes came in. Uh we

526
00:24:09,760 --> 00:24:12,359
Speaker 1: we had him top five top fifty list, like we

527
00:24:12,359 --> 00:24:14,639
Speaker 1: weren't sure on what he would be. In fact that

528
00:24:14,840 --> 00:24:17,359
Speaker 1: I found a clip like the bill. You can find

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Speaker 1: this on on Twitter where at the Combine when Pat

530
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Speaker 1: Mahomes was coming out, I'm like, hey, he's a sand

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Speaker 1: lot player. I don't know if I've ever seen this

532
00:24:26,280 --> 00:24:29,080
Speaker 1: work in the league. I mean, look as a bad

533
00:24:29,080 --> 00:24:31,760
Speaker 1: comparison now, but I compared him to Jay Cutler in

534
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Speaker 1: terms of how he played. When I saw Jay Cutler

535
00:24:34,320 --> 00:24:36,400
Speaker 1: play at Vanderbilt, Jay Cutler had to take a cast

536
00:24:36,440 --> 00:24:38,560
Speaker 1: of no names and kind of do everything, and he

537
00:24:38,600 --> 00:24:41,119
Speaker 1: was very reckless with the football. The Pat Mahomes that

538
00:24:41,160 --> 00:24:43,160
Speaker 1: I watched the Texas Tech was kind of like that.

539
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Speaker 1: I say that because when I look at Jordan's love Uh,

540
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Speaker 1: here's an interesting thing. What if Jordan's loves years were

541
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Speaker 1: flipped DJ, meaning that the way that he performed this

542
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Speaker 1: year was last year and the way he performed last

543
00:24:55,640 --> 00:24:59,920
Speaker 1: year was this year. What would that conversation? Right? So, now,

544
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Speaker 1: as an evaluator, do you look at the entire body

545
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Speaker 1: of work? Do you how how do you characterize the

546
00:25:06,880 --> 00:25:09,840
Speaker 1: previous year compared to this year? Like how much weight

547
00:25:09,880 --> 00:25:12,919
Speaker 1: do you put into that when the circumstances were different,

548
00:25:12,960 --> 00:25:16,960
Speaker 1: who was around him and the like? Because maybe, I mean,

549
00:25:17,119 --> 00:25:19,919
Speaker 1: maybe I'm I'm low on him just based on the

550
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Speaker 1: way that he finished up his career. Maybe if we

551
00:25:22,280 --> 00:25:24,640
Speaker 1: go back and look at everything and really study everything,

552
00:25:25,080 --> 00:25:27,720
Speaker 1: maybe he does deserve to be up there with Herbert.

553
00:25:27,720 --> 00:25:30,680
Speaker 1: Maybe he deserves to be ahead of Herbert. Like he's talented.

554
00:25:30,960 --> 00:25:33,639
Speaker 1: It is just a matter of sequencing the years to

555
00:25:33,760 --> 00:25:36,360
Speaker 1: understand who he is and what he is. Here's the thing.

556
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Speaker 1: If you like justin Herbert or if you like Jordan's love,

557
00:25:39,080 --> 00:25:43,080
Speaker 1: you are making the comparison um to mahomes Um and

558
00:25:43,119 --> 00:25:45,520
Speaker 1: you're saying you reverse the years, and that's that's what

559
00:25:45,560 --> 00:25:48,760
Speaker 1: you're running with and is the real Jordan's love. And

560
00:25:48,800 --> 00:25:50,879
Speaker 1: we're gonna get the next Pat Mahomes. If you're not

561
00:25:50,960 --> 00:25:53,200
Speaker 1: a Jordan Love guy, you're saying, oh my gosh, this

562
00:25:53,280 --> 00:25:55,720
Speaker 1: de Shaun Kaiser all over again. Um. You know, he

563
00:25:55,800 --> 00:25:57,760
Speaker 1: might have given you some hope earlier on in his career,

564
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Speaker 1: but we saw what he was at the end, and

565
00:25:59,240 --> 00:26:02,040
Speaker 1: he tried to tell who he was. You gotta believe him. Um.

566
00:26:02,119 --> 00:26:04,679
Speaker 1: So that's the two edged edges of the spectrum here

567
00:26:04,680 --> 00:26:07,959
Speaker 1: that we're talking about. Um. I wrote down, Uh, just

568
00:26:08,040 --> 00:26:10,439
Speaker 1: the hero ball Buck, Um, I mean he was. He

569
00:26:10,480 --> 00:26:12,800
Speaker 1: was so impressive in eighteen and then the turnovers came

570
00:26:12,840 --> 00:26:16,320
Speaker 1: in bunches. Obviously lost nine starters, head coach, offensive coordinator.

571
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Speaker 1: Um So, there's a lot of reasons for that. When

572
00:26:18,560 --> 00:26:22,359
Speaker 1: you see the skills, He's fluid and loose, explosive, The

573
00:26:22,359 --> 00:26:24,160
Speaker 1: bull jumps out of his hand. He makes these off

574
00:26:24,200 --> 00:26:27,600
Speaker 1: platform throws that are incredible. And I've been I've been

575
00:26:27,720 --> 00:26:30,040
Speaker 1: love over Herbert there right next to each other. I

576
00:26:30,080 --> 00:26:31,560
Speaker 1: got a lot, a lot more I want to dig

577
00:26:31,600 --> 00:26:34,000
Speaker 1: into and study with these two before I eventually make

578
00:26:34,080 --> 00:26:35,840
Speaker 1: that final call, before we get to the draft. It's

579
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Speaker 1: a marathon, uh, and not a sprint here, Buck. But

580
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Speaker 1: I'll tell you what. It's challenging my courage because I

581
00:26:41,680 --> 00:26:44,280
Speaker 1: just went through and did all the linebackers for the combine,

582
00:26:45,000 --> 00:26:47,000
Speaker 1: and so I spent two or three days just plowing

583
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Speaker 1: through all the guys I hadn't done yet and knocked

584
00:26:48,560 --> 00:26:51,760
Speaker 1: out linebackers, and UM got to one and I said, oh, nice,

585
00:26:51,840 --> 00:26:54,119
Speaker 1: nice interception versus Jordan's love. I mean, I write that

586
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Speaker 1: my notes. You know I can talk about that in

587
00:26:55,520 --> 00:26:59,120
Speaker 1: the combin. He picked off Jordan's love three out three linebackers. Later,

588
00:26:59,119 --> 00:27:01,159
Speaker 1: Oh he had nice. I still pick there on Georgia

589
00:27:01,560 --> 00:27:03,760
Speaker 1: and make sure I talked about this, and then I

590
00:27:03,800 --> 00:27:05,480
Speaker 1: asked about the third or fourth time I saw it.

591
00:27:05,520 --> 00:27:07,600
Speaker 1: I said, this is not an accomplishment. Everybody that they

592
00:27:07,600 --> 00:27:10,399
Speaker 1: played against get interceptions against this dude. So it is

593
00:27:10,520 --> 00:27:14,719
Speaker 1: challenging my courage and conviction as an evaluator when you're

594
00:27:14,760 --> 00:27:16,720
Speaker 1: going to doing all these defensive players and you see

595
00:27:16,720 --> 00:27:19,520
Speaker 1: all these picks and then you see drop picks. Um.

596
00:27:19,560 --> 00:27:22,840
Speaker 1: So man, the turnovers, you know, we've see it with

597
00:27:22,840 --> 00:27:26,240
Speaker 1: a guy like Jamis right, you know, those turnovers, you

598
00:27:26,280 --> 00:27:28,359
Speaker 1: see it even with Donald. I love Sam Donald, but

599
00:27:28,400 --> 00:27:30,600
Speaker 1: some of those issues he had has have carried over

600
00:27:30,600 --> 00:27:32,600
Speaker 1: in terms of some of the turnovers. That stuff sticks

601
00:27:32,640 --> 00:27:34,879
Speaker 1: with you. So yeah, so I want to believe that

602
00:27:35,680 --> 00:27:38,160
Speaker 1: is the real version, but I can't twenty nineteen still there.

603
00:27:38,160 --> 00:27:40,960
Speaker 1: You can't divorce yourself from that. Yeah, it's funny and

604
00:27:41,080 --> 00:27:43,560
Speaker 1: I think it's tough, you know, uh DJ like what's

605
00:27:43,600 --> 00:27:46,560
Speaker 1: interesting about it? And uh it would be great And

606
00:27:46,600 --> 00:27:48,520
Speaker 1: maybe this is an exercise that that I'll do. But

607
00:27:48,560 --> 00:27:52,760
Speaker 1: if I could play matchmaker with quarterback and coach, um,

608
00:27:52,800 --> 00:27:54,960
Speaker 1: because a lot of Pat my home success, I would

609
00:27:55,000 --> 00:27:58,560
Speaker 1: say can be directly attributed to Andy Reid. Not necessarily

610
00:27:58,600 --> 00:28:00,640
Speaker 1: that Andy Reid deserves all the the creator for Pat

611
00:28:00,680 --> 00:28:02,760
Speaker 1: mahomes success, but what Andy Reid has been able to do.

612
00:28:02,840 --> 00:28:06,359
Speaker 1: He coached uh Pat Mahomes into playing winning football. And

613
00:28:07,800 --> 00:28:11,040
Speaker 1: of all the quarterbacks in NFL history, Pat Mahomes has

614
00:28:11,080 --> 00:28:15,040
Speaker 1: the third lowest interception rate. Um, he's right behind Aaron

615
00:28:15,119 --> 00:28:19,119
Speaker 1: Rodgers who's first, and uh Tyroy Taylor is actually second.

616
00:28:19,480 --> 00:28:23,639
Speaker 1: But Pat Mahomes learned how to harness some of the

617
00:28:23,680 --> 00:28:26,439
Speaker 1: gunslinger and to avoid some of the hero ball. With

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00:28:26,600 --> 00:28:30,239
Speaker 1: Jordan's love, I would want to know how amenable is

619
00:28:30,280 --> 00:28:33,159
Speaker 1: he to being able to play winning football? Can he

620
00:28:33,320 --> 00:28:36,240
Speaker 1: turned down the extra cookie that is hanging on the

621
00:28:36,600 --> 00:28:39,120
Speaker 1: shelf and be like, no, I don't want to cook you.

622
00:28:39,120 --> 00:28:40,600
Speaker 1: I'm gonna go get a piece of fruit because I

623
00:28:40,600 --> 00:28:43,200
Speaker 1: want I don't want my sweet tu to pack on

624
00:28:43,240 --> 00:28:45,960
Speaker 1: a couple more pounds. If he can do that, if

625
00:28:45,960 --> 00:28:49,560
Speaker 1: you can avoid those hero moments that lead to turnovers

626
00:28:49,560 --> 00:28:52,840
Speaker 1: while still retaining some of that aggressiveness and a certainness

627
00:28:52,960 --> 00:28:55,720
Speaker 1: uh from the pocket, I mean, you could be unlocking

628
00:28:55,760 --> 00:28:59,160
Speaker 1: a potential superstar at the position. I'm not calling him

629
00:28:59,160 --> 00:29:02,680
Speaker 1: Pat Mahomes, but I do see enough of him to say, look,

630
00:29:02,720 --> 00:29:04,920
Speaker 1: I can envision this guy being a player who plays

631
00:29:04,920 --> 00:29:06,719
Speaker 1: at a high level in the league and kind of

632
00:29:06,760 --> 00:29:10,520
Speaker 1: has us wondering, man, why didn't we take him sooner? Yeah?

633
00:29:10,600 --> 00:29:12,040
Speaker 1: The only the only thing I would add there on

634
00:29:12,040 --> 00:29:15,360
Speaker 1: the Mahomes comparison. And we've both gone on record saying

635
00:29:15,360 --> 00:29:16,880
Speaker 1: we wish we had to do over on this one.

636
00:29:16,920 --> 00:29:21,920
Speaker 1: But Mahomes last year buck his uh his touchdown interceptions,

637
00:29:21,960 --> 00:29:24,640
Speaker 1: he was plus he was plus thirty one. He was

638
00:29:24,680 --> 00:29:28,040
Speaker 1: forty one touchdowns, ten picks plus thirty one. This Jordan

639
00:29:28,080 --> 00:29:30,200
Speaker 1: Love was plus three. Oh yeah, that's a problem. So

640
00:29:30,400 --> 00:29:33,040
Speaker 1: you know, a couple more goods in his column to

641
00:29:33,160 --> 00:29:36,400
Speaker 1: offset the ten picks. So, uh, anyways, it's gonna be

642
00:29:36,640 --> 00:29:38,960
Speaker 1: He's a fascinating one buck. But I you know, there's

643
00:29:39,000 --> 00:29:40,640
Speaker 1: those moments where you give a guy a grade and

644
00:29:40,720 --> 00:29:42,240
Speaker 1: then all of a sudden you start doing other guys

645
00:29:42,240 --> 00:29:44,040
Speaker 1: and he starts popping up on tape doing stuff you

646
00:29:44,040 --> 00:29:47,040
Speaker 1: don't like, and you go, oh, boy, I challenge your

647
00:29:47,080 --> 00:29:49,680
Speaker 1: conviction a little bit on that one. Um. So so

648
00:29:50,160 --> 00:29:51,440
Speaker 1: the next one that I had him my list was

649
00:29:51,520 --> 00:29:55,880
Speaker 1: Jacob Eason from the University of Washington. Uh. Easton is

650
00:29:56,000 --> 00:29:58,800
Speaker 1: interesting because when it comes to the physical traits, he

651
00:29:58,840 --> 00:30:00,320
Speaker 1: has it all. Like, he has a big arm, I

652
00:30:00,360 --> 00:30:02,120
Speaker 1: mean a church tremendous arm. He can make all the

653
00:30:02,160 --> 00:30:04,880
Speaker 1: throwers that you want to see. UM, very very talented,

654
00:30:05,000 --> 00:30:06,880
Speaker 1: arguably one of the the more talented, if not the most

655
00:30:06,880 --> 00:30:10,000
Speaker 1: talented UM playing the class. But what you see is

656
00:30:10,040 --> 00:30:14,040
Speaker 1: inconsistencies in terms of the accuracy and consistent performance. Look,

657
00:30:14,080 --> 00:30:16,600
Speaker 1: he didn't have a lot around him at you dub

658
00:30:16,640 --> 00:30:19,200
Speaker 1: this year. Um, you also have to go back and

659
00:30:19,200 --> 00:30:21,680
Speaker 1: try and figure out how come he couldn't fend off

660
00:30:21,760 --> 00:30:26,560
Speaker 1: Jake from at Georgia. But from a talent perspective, he's intriguing,

661
00:30:26,640 --> 00:30:29,920
Speaker 1: he's enticing, and I could see a team that already

662
00:30:29,960 --> 00:30:32,680
Speaker 1: has a quarterback in place pulling the trigger on Jacob

663
00:30:32,720 --> 00:30:34,960
Speaker 1: Eesan and trying to develop just a little bit more

664
00:30:35,120 --> 00:30:38,520
Speaker 1: before he becomes a starter four team. Yeah he is. Uh.

665
00:30:38,560 --> 00:30:42,240
Speaker 1: He is a big, strong pocket passer um who makes

666
00:30:42,280 --> 00:30:44,280
Speaker 1: some you talk about wild throws. He has got a

667
00:30:44,360 --> 00:30:49,440
Speaker 1: huge arm. And there's some games you watch the Oregon game, Um, Utah,

668
00:30:49,480 --> 00:30:51,760
Speaker 1: he played pretty well on that one as well, good competition.

669
00:30:51,800 --> 00:30:54,200
Speaker 1: He played really well. Um. Then you watch like the

670
00:30:54,240 --> 00:30:56,240
Speaker 1: Stanford game and some other games, and you just kind

671
00:30:56,240 --> 00:30:59,200
Speaker 1: of left scratching your head. Um, the touch and the

672
00:30:59,240 --> 00:31:01,800
Speaker 1: anticipation or two areas he's got to improve on. Now.

673
00:31:02,040 --> 00:31:03,680
Speaker 1: I don't know how much at the combine you're gonna

674
00:31:03,680 --> 00:31:05,240
Speaker 1: get to see that because he's working with all these

675
00:31:05,240 --> 00:31:07,960
Speaker 1: receivers he doesn't know. Um. The arm strength will be evident,

676
00:31:08,000 --> 00:31:10,560
Speaker 1: you'll see that jump off. Um. But just being able

677
00:31:10,560 --> 00:31:12,520
Speaker 1: to layer the ball, touch the ball up a little bit,

678
00:31:12,520 --> 00:31:14,960
Speaker 1: not everything hard and flat. Um, that's gonna be a

679
00:31:15,000 --> 00:31:16,480
Speaker 1: challenge for him. And the other thing I would say

680
00:31:16,520 --> 00:31:19,000
Speaker 1: is it's got some bad habits pocket movement wise, he

681
00:31:19,040 --> 00:31:21,520
Speaker 1: tries to spin out of everything. You never want to

682
00:31:21,520 --> 00:31:24,200
Speaker 1: turn your back on the defense unless it's absolutely necessary.

683
00:31:24,200 --> 00:31:26,600
Speaker 1: He does it all the time. So some of those

684
00:31:26,680 --> 00:31:28,680
Speaker 1: drills you see guys climb up, move around the pocket.

685
00:31:28,720 --> 00:31:30,160
Speaker 1: I want to see how comfortable he is kind of

686
00:31:30,160 --> 00:31:33,160
Speaker 1: getting off a spot and throwing the football. So DJ

687
00:31:33,320 --> 00:31:35,520
Speaker 1: listening to you, UM and talking about I mean when

688
00:31:35,560 --> 00:31:38,480
Speaker 1: I did evaluation, I don't know if you can improve

689
00:31:38,560 --> 00:31:42,160
Speaker 1: touching anticipation. I don't know if you can do it.

690
00:31:42,200 --> 00:31:45,640
Speaker 1: I think, UM, it may be one of those situations

691
00:31:45,640 --> 00:31:50,120
Speaker 1: where a coach can help you by creating bigger windows, meaning, uh,

692
00:31:50,200 --> 00:31:53,120
Speaker 1: play action. Uh, you're able to kind of mask like

693
00:31:53,200 --> 00:31:56,240
Speaker 1: guys we have problems with touching anticipation. What you can

694
00:31:56,280 --> 00:31:57,960
Speaker 1: do is you can be a real, real heavy play

695
00:31:58,000 --> 00:32:00,640
Speaker 1: action team. So the windows are bigger, they're throwing to

696
00:32:00,760 --> 00:32:04,600
Speaker 1: these huge voids, um, rather than having to kind of

697
00:32:04,680 --> 00:32:07,240
Speaker 1: like throw guys open. And maybe he can do some

698
00:32:07,320 --> 00:32:10,360
Speaker 1: of that. But with the systems that are being run today,

699
00:32:10,480 --> 00:32:12,600
Speaker 1: that the teams that kind of use those things, Uh,

700
00:32:12,680 --> 00:32:15,600
Speaker 1: Minnesota with Kirk Cousins, San Francisco forty nine is with

701
00:32:15,680 --> 00:32:19,520
Speaker 1: Jimmy Garoppolo. Your quarterback has to be mobile enough to

702
00:32:19,600 --> 00:32:21,320
Speaker 1: kind of get outside and do some of those things.

703
00:32:21,360 --> 00:32:24,400
Speaker 1: So you can always change the spot. So Jacob Eason's

704
00:32:24,520 --> 00:32:28,200
Speaker 1: athleticism will need to come up big. He needs to

705
00:32:28,200 --> 00:32:30,640
Speaker 1: show that he's he's a mobile athlete, and as you

706
00:32:30,680 --> 00:32:33,320
Speaker 1: talked about the escapability and some of those climb and

707
00:32:33,520 --> 00:32:36,240
Speaker 1: escape drills, he has to show that he's light enough

708
00:32:36,280 --> 00:32:38,120
Speaker 1: on his feet to be able to do things when

709
00:32:38,400 --> 00:32:40,560
Speaker 1: the pocket collapses. And he won't just kind of be

710
00:32:41,000 --> 00:32:43,520
Speaker 1: a sitting duck that you have to have a fortress

711
00:32:43,520 --> 00:32:46,720
Speaker 1: in front of him or he's non functional, no doubt.

712
00:32:46,760 --> 00:32:49,400
Speaker 1: So it'll be good. It's interesting to see his, uh,

713
00:32:49,440 --> 00:32:51,320
Speaker 1: his athletic testing there at the combine. I think you

714
00:32:51,400 --> 00:32:53,200
Speaker 1: make a great point there, Buck, All right, what's the

715
00:32:53,200 --> 00:32:55,400
Speaker 1: next one? So so so, now we're out of the

716
00:32:55,400 --> 00:32:56,800
Speaker 1: top five, and I think the best way to do

717
00:32:56,840 --> 00:32:58,320
Speaker 1: it is just kind of pick a couple of guys

718
00:32:58,320 --> 00:33:00,760
Speaker 1: that we think are interesting to you, Guys that kind

719
00:33:00,760 --> 00:33:02,880
Speaker 1: of stand out for me. It's kind of like the

720
00:33:02,920 --> 00:33:06,320
Speaker 1: next year the honorable mentions will be Jake From and

721
00:33:06,400 --> 00:33:09,920
Speaker 1: Jalen Hurts and Jake From. What you have is a

722
00:33:09,960 --> 00:33:11,960
Speaker 1: guy who just understands how to get the guard to

723
00:33:12,000 --> 00:33:14,640
Speaker 1: the winner circle. Uh. He plays winning football and what's

724
00:33:14,640 --> 00:33:17,840
Speaker 1: around it with premier talent. Look, he just does enough

725
00:33:18,000 --> 00:33:21,400
Speaker 1: to keep his team winning. He's smart, he's tough. I

726
00:33:21,400 --> 00:33:24,760
Speaker 1: give him credit because in this quarterback room at Georgia,

727
00:33:25,040 --> 00:33:28,440
Speaker 1: he had to fend off Jacob Easton and Justin Fields,

728
00:33:28,560 --> 00:33:31,560
Speaker 1: two guys that I would say are more talented than him.

729
00:33:31,720 --> 00:33:35,440
Speaker 1: Yet he was the last one standing. And so there

730
00:33:35,480 --> 00:33:39,120
Speaker 1: has to be something in him, a grit, a toughness,

731
00:33:39,160 --> 00:33:44,000
Speaker 1: a resiliency that enables him to not worry about the

732
00:33:44,000 --> 00:33:47,440
Speaker 1: competitors but to focus on the job and the production

733
00:33:47,480 --> 00:33:50,960
Speaker 1: and the performance. I think that's positive. Now, the arm

734
00:33:51,040 --> 00:33:54,880
Speaker 1: talent and and all of that stuff. Look, it's not overwhelming,

735
00:33:55,040 --> 00:33:59,320
Speaker 1: it's not overpowering. It's not like overly impressive in that regard.

736
00:33:59,320 --> 00:34:00,800
Speaker 1: But look, he has an up to be able to

737
00:34:00,800 --> 00:34:02,960
Speaker 1: be a starting quarterback. We've seen you starting quarterback with

738
00:34:02,960 --> 00:34:05,760
Speaker 1: this skill set playing the league. I think the main

739
00:34:05,800 --> 00:34:08,680
Speaker 1: thing is trying to figure out where does he fit

740
00:34:08,960 --> 00:34:12,879
Speaker 1: in that quarterback landscape and can I envision him being

741
00:34:12,960 --> 00:34:15,640
Speaker 1: a starter, and what does he need around him to

742
00:34:15,680 --> 00:34:19,160
Speaker 1: be a successful starter in the league. He's a fascinating

743
00:34:19,200 --> 00:34:21,920
Speaker 1: one because it is a classic case of the traits

744
00:34:22,040 --> 00:34:25,000
Speaker 1: versus the intangibles. The intangibles are out of sight. I

745
00:34:25,040 --> 00:34:30,080
Speaker 1: mean the leadership, the intelligence, all that stuff, personality, uh,

746
00:34:30,120 --> 00:34:32,920
Speaker 1: football knowledge, it's all off the charts. Um. But the

747
00:34:32,960 --> 00:34:35,320
Speaker 1: traits in terms of just the pure arm strength of

748
00:34:35,360 --> 00:34:39,440
Speaker 1: pure athletic ability, very pedestrian, very average. Um. You know,

749
00:34:39,480 --> 00:34:41,479
Speaker 1: I do think he does have a little bit more

750
00:34:41,719 --> 00:34:44,520
Speaker 1: life in his arm to come. I think there's some

751
00:34:44,600 --> 00:34:47,080
Speaker 1: development there. And I know he's been working with David Morris,

752
00:34:47,239 --> 00:34:49,920
Speaker 1: one of our buddies down there QB Country and uh,

753
00:34:49,960 --> 00:34:51,239
Speaker 1: I mean I went and got a chance to watch

754
00:34:51,360 --> 00:34:53,600
Speaker 1: him throw. I just think he needs to develop and

755
00:34:53,719 --> 00:34:56,160
Speaker 1: incorporate more of his lower body. He's got a strong

756
00:34:56,200 --> 00:34:57,960
Speaker 1: base when you see him physically, he's got a thick

757
00:34:58,000 --> 00:35:01,040
Speaker 1: lower but he disassociated too much. He's got to get

758
00:35:01,080 --> 00:35:03,040
Speaker 1: his legs, get his cleats in the ground, really power

759
00:35:03,080 --> 00:35:05,759
Speaker 1: and drive off your backside. I think he'll be able

760
00:35:05,760 --> 00:35:09,360
Speaker 1: to generate a touch more velocity there so that can improve. Um,

761
00:35:09,480 --> 00:35:11,719
Speaker 1: the you know, the whole thing. They'll putting him in

762
00:35:11,760 --> 00:35:16,280
Speaker 1: an offense book, a rhythm timing offense, the exact opposite

763
00:35:16,360 --> 00:35:19,640
Speaker 1: what we just talked about with Easton. You know, with him, um,

764
00:35:19,800 --> 00:35:21,480
Speaker 1: I think you want to just get him, get your

765
00:35:21,480 --> 00:35:23,560
Speaker 1: back foot, get the ball out of your hands, and

766
00:35:23,680 --> 00:35:26,359
Speaker 1: uh and stay in that rhythm on schedule. I think

767
00:35:26,360 --> 00:35:28,440
Speaker 1: he can be a functional player. He just you know,

768
00:35:28,600 --> 00:35:31,560
Speaker 1: terms of driving the ball in those tight windows. Um,

769
00:35:31,600 --> 00:35:33,239
Speaker 1: that's you know, that's gonna be a little bit of

770
00:35:33,239 --> 00:35:37,480
Speaker 1: a concern, you know. Okay, So we love to do

771
00:35:37,560 --> 00:35:39,680
Speaker 1: comparisons in the scouting world, right, we love to do

772
00:35:39,719 --> 00:35:42,239
Speaker 1: it in the room. And because I'm gonna ask you

773
00:35:42,280 --> 00:35:45,560
Speaker 1: this question, pointy blank, Jake From or Aaron Murray just

774
00:35:45,640 --> 00:35:47,960
Speaker 1: based on what you saw in college, Oh, I take

775
00:35:48,040 --> 00:35:50,439
Speaker 1: Jake From. I think he's better. He's he's he's he's

776
00:35:50,440 --> 00:35:54,200
Speaker 1: better than than Murray. Um, I would say, and this

777
00:35:54,480 --> 00:35:57,640
Speaker 1: people will probably take this as a as a negative here,

778
00:35:57,760 --> 00:36:00,960
Speaker 1: but I actually think he's like a soup up version

779
00:36:01,000 --> 00:36:03,880
Speaker 1: of a Chase Daniel. You know, Chase Daniel has been

780
00:36:03,880 --> 00:36:06,240
Speaker 1: in the NFL for a long time. Chase Daniels started

781
00:36:06,280 --> 00:36:08,919
Speaker 1: games in one games, you know, you know, he's spent

782
00:36:09,000 --> 00:36:11,200
Speaker 1: one of the better backups. I would say, I think

783
00:36:11,280 --> 00:36:14,359
Speaker 1: Jake From is a better version of that, meaning, you know,

784
00:36:14,480 --> 00:36:17,400
Speaker 1: he's a in the right perfect situation, he can be

785
00:36:17,480 --> 00:36:20,680
Speaker 1: a functional starter. Um. But at the worst case scenario,

786
00:36:20,680 --> 00:36:22,279
Speaker 1: you've got a high floor, You're gonna have a high

787
00:36:22,360 --> 00:36:24,359
Speaker 1: value backup. But I do I like him better than

788
00:36:24,360 --> 00:36:27,400
Speaker 1: Aaron Murray? Cool? And I'm I'm I'm with that. But

789
00:36:27,440 --> 00:36:29,440
Speaker 1: you know how when we sit in rooms, because he

790
00:36:29,840 --> 00:36:32,399
Speaker 1: went to Georgia and because look, Am Murray's not too

791
00:36:32,400 --> 00:36:35,200
Speaker 1: far in the rear view, um, there'd be a coach

792
00:36:35,360 --> 00:36:37,520
Speaker 1: or exactly like, hey, look a Mury came out of there.

793
00:36:37,560 --> 00:36:40,120
Speaker 1: Where weld you compare like plus or minus and then

794
00:36:40,160 --> 00:36:41,759
Speaker 1: you kind of shape that and then you're trying to

795
00:36:42,040 --> 00:36:44,120
Speaker 1: trying to figure out like, okay, well what is that slot?

796
00:36:44,160 --> 00:36:45,840
Speaker 1: Where do I what do I like him? Man? And

797
00:36:45,880 --> 00:36:49,960
Speaker 1: I think what you said the description, uh, high end

798
00:36:50,000 --> 00:36:54,319
Speaker 1: QB two, low end QB one, Like just hey, where

799
00:36:54,320 --> 00:36:57,480
Speaker 1: does that fit in the mix? In my mind just

800
00:36:57,680 --> 00:37:02,440
Speaker 1: listening to the description, we're talking about third round, fourth round.

801
00:37:02,560 --> 00:37:05,520
Speaker 1: Somewhere in that third and fourth round that borderline day

802
00:37:05,560 --> 00:37:09,319
Speaker 1: two category, depending on how your team is constructed and

803
00:37:09,360 --> 00:37:11,560
Speaker 1: how you view him after you have the conversation with

804
00:37:11,640 --> 00:37:14,960
Speaker 1: him with the intangibles and stuff. And look, everyone is

805
00:37:15,040 --> 00:37:17,879
Speaker 1: looking for that guy that can kind of come from

806
00:37:17,920 --> 00:37:21,120
Speaker 1: the lower ranks and and succeed. Remember Dak Prescott was

807
00:37:21,120 --> 00:37:23,920
Speaker 1: a fourth round player. Kirk Cousins was the first round player,

808
00:37:23,960 --> 00:37:26,880
Speaker 1: every fourth round player. Everyone. We're talking about Tom Brady.

809
00:37:27,080 --> 00:37:29,719
Speaker 1: But last year we just saw Garner Minshew be a

810
00:37:29,760 --> 00:37:32,800
Speaker 1: sixth round player to start games in the league. Everyone

811
00:37:33,000 --> 00:37:35,759
Speaker 1: is looking for, Hey, who's that guy that maybe I

812
00:37:35,800 --> 00:37:38,959
Speaker 1: can find outside of the first round that potentially could

813
00:37:39,040 --> 00:37:41,640
Speaker 1: start games. Maybe, just maybe Jake farm is a guy

814
00:37:41,640 --> 00:37:43,560
Speaker 1: that can do them. You know, I was thinking of

815
00:37:43,560 --> 00:37:45,320
Speaker 1: a guy. What's the difference to you asked me a comparison.

816
00:37:45,360 --> 00:37:47,760
Speaker 1: I'm gonna ask you a com person. Uh, Jake Delane.

817
00:37:48,520 --> 00:37:55,040
Speaker 1: Oh god, that's a good comparison, man, Um, So like

818
00:37:55,640 --> 00:37:58,879
Speaker 1: Jake Delone is a really good comparison because Jake malon

819
00:37:59,280 --> 00:38:01,279
Speaker 1: Jake Delone when I when I was in Carolina, he

820
00:38:01,320 --> 00:38:04,080
Speaker 1: was our starting quarterback. Obviously we went to the Super Bowl,

821
00:38:04,160 --> 00:38:07,120
Speaker 1: went and went to a championship game with him, um

822
00:38:07,160 --> 00:38:09,280
Speaker 1: and he came up. I think the big thing with

823
00:38:09,280 --> 00:38:11,680
Speaker 1: with with Jake Jake was a bit of a gun slinger.

824
00:38:11,960 --> 00:38:16,040
Speaker 1: And when when Jake stayed within himself and and and

825
00:38:16,120 --> 00:38:19,759
Speaker 1: stayed true to look here my talents, here's how I

826
00:38:19,800 --> 00:38:22,880
Speaker 1: need to play. Uh. We had Steve Smith and Mossim

827
00:38:22,960 --> 00:38:26,799
Speaker 1: Mohammed had people around him offense look good from running game,

828
00:38:27,040 --> 00:38:29,480
Speaker 1: we won. The only time we would get in trouble

829
00:38:29,520 --> 00:38:32,200
Speaker 1: with Jake is when Jake tried to be someone that

830
00:38:32,400 --> 00:38:34,200
Speaker 1: he's not. When he tried to be the gun slinger

831
00:38:34,520 --> 00:38:36,200
Speaker 1: and act like he had the big arm and he

832
00:38:36,200 --> 00:38:38,560
Speaker 1: could make all these throws, then the turnovers would come

833
00:38:39,000 --> 00:38:43,800
Speaker 1: and and bunches Jake From. If he stays true to himself,

834
00:38:44,200 --> 00:38:46,560
Speaker 1: Jake From can certainly win a lot of games for

835
00:38:46,640 --> 00:38:49,680
Speaker 1: a team that is already kind of functional and ready

836
00:38:49,719 --> 00:38:53,120
Speaker 1: to go. And so defense, run game, all that. Yeah,

837
00:38:53,160 --> 00:38:56,320
Speaker 1: and and so the lorder he goes and turns around,

838
00:38:56,360 --> 00:38:58,160
Speaker 1: the better it is for him because he will go

839
00:38:58,200 --> 00:39:00,880
Speaker 1: to a better team. But if Jake From goes to

840
00:39:00,920 --> 00:39:03,520
Speaker 1: a situation where they don't have much around him, he's

841
00:39:03,560 --> 00:39:05,960
Speaker 1: not going to upgrade that situation. He's not going to

842
00:39:06,040 --> 00:39:09,080
Speaker 1: change that around. So look what you said, high end,

843
00:39:09,520 --> 00:39:13,080
Speaker 1: high end QB two, low end QB one. I think

844
00:39:13,120 --> 00:39:14,920
Speaker 1: that's that's who he is. I think he's one of

845
00:39:14,920 --> 00:39:17,920
Speaker 1: those borderline starters that can play if everything is right

846
00:39:17,920 --> 00:39:21,160
Speaker 1: around him, no doubt. Why we got you said one more,

847
00:39:21,200 --> 00:39:23,440
Speaker 1: we got hurt Jenlen hurt. So like look at the

848
00:39:23,520 --> 00:39:26,360
Speaker 1: conversation is the same with with Jalen Hursts. It's a

849
00:39:26,400 --> 00:39:30,880
Speaker 1: little different, like, um, the intangibles, uh people say, like

850
00:39:30,920 --> 00:39:32,719
Speaker 1: the intangibles of solid like the way he handled it

851
00:39:32,760 --> 00:39:35,799
Speaker 1: to a situation in Alabama. Uh, he was so successful

852
00:39:35,920 --> 00:39:39,040
Speaker 1: playing and two systems, one on the Knicks SABE and

853
00:39:39,080 --> 00:39:41,759
Speaker 1: then playing in Lincoln Riley Lincoln Riley and enabled him

854
00:39:41,760 --> 00:39:43,919
Speaker 1: to show a little different side of himself in terms

855
00:39:43,960 --> 00:39:46,040
Speaker 1: of as a player. We saw the running skills at

856
00:39:46,080 --> 00:39:48,160
Speaker 1: both places. But he was a better pass at Oklahoma

857
00:39:48,160 --> 00:39:51,719
Speaker 1: than he was at Alabama, and he's grown Uh, thick

858
00:39:51,840 --> 00:39:55,000
Speaker 1: lower body can run. I always whenever I look at him,

859
00:39:55,000 --> 00:39:57,000
Speaker 1: from the first time I saw him, he really reminds

860
00:39:57,000 --> 00:39:59,239
Speaker 1: me of Dak Prescott. Like it to love it, Like

861
00:39:59,280 --> 00:40:02,000
Speaker 1: whatever you think about Dak Prescott. I think Jalen Hurts

862
00:40:02,160 --> 00:40:05,440
Speaker 1: is kind of in that same category. Maybe not quite

863
00:40:05,800 --> 00:40:09,000
Speaker 1: the passer that Doac was because Doc was a little

864
00:40:09,000 --> 00:40:15,120
Speaker 1: more accomplished at Mississippi State UM as a pastor, but leader, playmaker,

865
00:40:15,320 --> 00:40:19,320
Speaker 1: toughness UM. I think their strengths lie in the demand

866
00:40:19,360 --> 00:40:21,480
Speaker 1: that they are, like the men that they are, how

867
00:40:21,520 --> 00:40:23,719
Speaker 1: they lead, how they command the locker room, and those

868
00:40:23,760 --> 00:40:25,959
Speaker 1: things so look, I think he's gonna have a chance.

869
00:40:26,000 --> 00:40:28,560
Speaker 1: But if you don't ask me, the same grade and

870
00:40:28,640 --> 00:40:31,200
Speaker 1: category that we put on Jake from is the same

871
00:40:31,200 --> 00:40:33,680
Speaker 1: grade that don't put on Jalen Hurts. I think he's

872
00:40:33,680 --> 00:40:38,439
Speaker 1: one of those borderline day to day three guys, and

873
00:40:38,480 --> 00:40:41,480
Speaker 1: I think in the right situation, it will work for him.

874
00:40:41,800 --> 00:40:43,840
Speaker 1: But you know, we just have to see because the

875
00:40:43,880 --> 00:40:46,239
Speaker 1: league is changing. But I just kind of have him

876
00:40:46,360 --> 00:40:49,000
Speaker 1: right at dead line. Bottom of the third round, top

877
00:40:49,000 --> 00:40:50,839
Speaker 1: of the fourth round is where I think he will

878
00:40:50,880 --> 00:40:54,399
Speaker 1: hear his name call. He's a great example of of

879
00:40:54,440 --> 00:40:57,440
Speaker 1: your analogy that you've thrown out there about scores not shooters,

880
00:40:57,520 --> 00:40:59,840
Speaker 1: because if you want to grade him, it's just a

881
00:41:00,040 --> 00:41:03,839
Speaker 1: pocket passer and great him as somebody who has great vision,

882
00:41:03,840 --> 00:41:06,359
Speaker 1: which I don't think he has great vision. Great anticipation,

883
00:41:06,400 --> 00:41:08,520
Speaker 1: which I don't think he has great anticipation. You're gonna

884
00:41:08,560 --> 00:41:11,000
Speaker 1: ding him, um. But he's another one when I'm doing

885
00:41:11,040 --> 00:41:12,839
Speaker 1: other players, Buck and I always want to watch him

886
00:41:12,840 --> 00:41:15,200
Speaker 1: against good competition. I watch him against Oklahoma and doing

887
00:41:15,239 --> 00:41:18,240
Speaker 1: those defensive players, and I see a lot of Oklahoma offense.

888
00:41:18,239 --> 00:41:19,879
Speaker 1: What I've been going through the last week or two,

889
00:41:20,440 --> 00:41:23,880
Speaker 1: I'm starting to appreciate more of Jalen hurts game, which

890
00:41:23,920 --> 00:41:26,440
Speaker 1: is I'm just a He's a playmaker. He's that's what

891
00:41:26,520 --> 00:41:30,319
Speaker 1: he does. He creates plays, he extends plays, quarterback design, run,

892
00:41:30,440 --> 00:41:33,040
Speaker 1: hit a big shot down the field. Now some he's

893
00:41:33,040 --> 00:41:35,680
Speaker 1: gonna hold the ball and take a bad sack. He's

894
00:41:35,719 --> 00:41:37,880
Speaker 1: gonna miss some windows where he's got guys open, and

895
00:41:37,920 --> 00:41:40,319
Speaker 1: you have blown opportunities. But at the end of the day,

896
00:41:40,360 --> 00:41:42,520
Speaker 1: are you producing points? Are you moving the football and

897
00:41:42,560 --> 00:41:44,680
Speaker 1: are you producing points? And Jalen Hurts did that at

898
00:41:44,680 --> 00:41:47,200
Speaker 1: a very high level, really at two schools. They did

899
00:41:47,200 --> 00:41:49,200
Speaker 1: at Alabama, won a bunch of football games doing it,

900
00:41:49,200 --> 00:41:51,880
Speaker 1: and then went to Oklahoma. And I think the trend

901
00:41:52,120 --> 00:41:54,440
Speaker 1: is headed in the right direction. I don't think he's

902
00:41:54,560 --> 00:41:57,560
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna be Um, you know, personally,

903
00:41:57,560 --> 00:41:59,640
Speaker 1: I don't think he's ever gonna be Dak Prescott as

904
00:41:59,640 --> 00:42:02,359
Speaker 1: a path sir. I don't think he's as polished as Dak.

905
00:42:02,880 --> 00:42:06,200
Speaker 1: But like you know, a younger Dak Prescott, he's gonna

906
00:42:06,200 --> 00:42:08,160
Speaker 1: come on the field buck and just make plays and

907
00:42:08,160 --> 00:42:10,160
Speaker 1: find a way to move the football and score points.

908
00:42:10,440 --> 00:42:12,319
Speaker 1: And I think something's gonna fall in love with him,

909
00:42:12,360 --> 00:42:16,040
Speaker 1: I really do, you know. Don't ask me why I

910
00:42:16,120 --> 00:42:19,400
Speaker 1: have this in my mind considering the number uh of

911
00:42:19,440 --> 00:42:21,799
Speaker 1: guys that they brought in at the position, But I

912
00:42:21,840 --> 00:42:24,960
Speaker 1: think Jalen Hurst would be a perfect fit in Pittsburgh. Uh.

913
00:42:25,200 --> 00:42:26,719
Speaker 1: I think he just kind of strikes me as a

914
00:42:26,760 --> 00:42:32,160
Speaker 1: Pittsburgh type player that Thomas toughness, uh, reliability, dependability, the

915
00:42:32,239 --> 00:42:35,040
Speaker 1: way they may be trending back to being a running

916
00:42:35,080 --> 00:42:37,319
Speaker 1: team with the defense, where you just need the guy

917
00:42:37,360 --> 00:42:39,200
Speaker 1: a make a couple of plays, don't turn it over,

918
00:42:39,200 --> 00:42:42,880
Speaker 1: play winning football, sacrifice your own individual numbers, let's just

919
00:42:42,920 --> 00:42:45,360
Speaker 1: do it for the team. I think in that environment

920
00:42:45,760 --> 00:42:48,480
Speaker 1: he works, you know, and so it'll be interesting to

921
00:42:48,520 --> 00:42:52,319
Speaker 1: see how he throws the ball around the yard, how

922
00:42:52,360 --> 00:42:54,359
Speaker 1: he handles all this stuff. Because we've had a couple

923
00:42:54,400 --> 00:42:56,720
Speaker 1: of interactions with him. He's kind of quiet, even an interview,

924
00:42:56,960 --> 00:42:59,440
Speaker 1: doesn't appear to kind of let people in, uh kind

925
00:42:59,480 --> 00:43:02,080
Speaker 1: of talks in coach speak. I do want to know

926
00:43:02,280 --> 00:43:04,800
Speaker 1: what he's like in that room with those fifteen minutes.

927
00:43:05,280 --> 00:43:09,759
Speaker 1: Will he bury his soul two interviewers and let them

928
00:43:09,800 --> 00:43:12,200
Speaker 1: know who he is? Because I think it's really critical

929
00:43:12,640 --> 00:43:16,000
Speaker 1: for him more than anybody else. He has to get

930
00:43:16,000 --> 00:43:18,759
Speaker 1: people to fall in love with the person more so

931
00:43:18,880 --> 00:43:21,600
Speaker 1: than the performance in the athlete. If they fall in

932
00:43:21,640 --> 00:43:24,000
Speaker 1: love with the person and the character, I think he'll

933
00:43:24,040 --> 00:43:27,439
Speaker 1: have a chance. And so uh, that is what I'm curious. Also,

934
00:43:27,640 --> 00:43:30,240
Speaker 1: another situation that might be good for him. How about

935
00:43:30,320 --> 00:43:34,239
Speaker 1: him backing up Russell Wilson in Seattle, you know, like

936
00:43:34,280 --> 00:43:37,760
Speaker 1: a situation where they valued that. Not they're not close

937
00:43:37,800 --> 00:43:39,920
Speaker 1: to being the same player, but I think Pete and

938
00:43:39,960 --> 00:43:42,080
Speaker 1: the way they do it because they pushed the ball

939
00:43:42,080 --> 00:43:43,879
Speaker 1: down the field, they don't do a lot of touch,

940
00:43:43,920 --> 00:43:46,960
Speaker 1: timing and anticipation type routes. I think a situation like

941
00:43:47,000 --> 00:43:49,520
Speaker 1: that behind Russell could be a good spot for him.

942
00:43:49,560 --> 00:43:51,839
Speaker 1: I'm gonna give you one more And I'm just thinking

943
00:43:51,840 --> 00:43:53,520
Speaker 1: about this. The more I'm looking at this and thinking

944
00:43:53,520 --> 00:43:56,160
Speaker 1: about the more it makes just perfect sense. About the

945
00:43:56,160 --> 00:44:00,239
Speaker 1: Oakland Raiders, or sorry, the Las Vegas Raiders. They always

946
00:44:00,239 --> 00:44:02,240
Speaker 1: say when you break up, when you break up with somebody,

947
00:44:02,280 --> 00:44:05,200
Speaker 1: you go get the exact opposite and play style. I

948
00:44:05,239 --> 00:44:08,359
Speaker 1: would say he's the exact opposite of Derek carr Um.

949
00:44:08,400 --> 00:44:11,120
Speaker 1: But if they want somebody, who's gonna, you know, add

950
00:44:11,160 --> 00:44:14,319
Speaker 1: to this toughness that they've tried instill last year's draft, right,

951
00:44:14,320 --> 00:44:17,000
Speaker 1: we talked about foundation pieces. Those were Mayo's words when

952
00:44:17,000 --> 00:44:18,600
Speaker 1: he talked about the kind of guys that were trying

953
00:44:18,600 --> 00:44:22,839
Speaker 1: to bring in their toughness, physicality. Um, that was there

954
00:44:22,960 --> 00:44:25,600
Speaker 1: kind of their m O last year. Well, if you

955
00:44:25,640 --> 00:44:28,759
Speaker 1: want to get that at that position, that's Jalen Hurts.

956
00:44:28,840 --> 00:44:30,960
Speaker 1: Is that guy in this draft. If you want somebody

957
00:44:30,960 --> 00:44:33,279
Speaker 1: to be able to be involved with Josh Jacobs, his

958
00:44:33,360 --> 00:44:35,640
Speaker 1: old college teammate there at Alabama and some of the

959
00:44:35,719 --> 00:44:39,000
Speaker 1: run game stuff. Um, and just kind of if you're

960
00:44:39,000 --> 00:44:40,799
Speaker 1: gonna try and compete with Kansas City, you're gonna either

961
00:44:40,800 --> 00:44:42,160
Speaker 1: get in a track meet or you're gonna try and

962
00:44:42,160 --> 00:44:44,759
Speaker 1: slug it out with him. And uh, I think that

963
00:44:44,920 --> 00:44:47,400
Speaker 1: right now the Oakland Raiders might be more equipped try

964
00:44:47,400 --> 00:44:49,640
Speaker 1: and try and slug it out and just beat him

965
00:44:49,680 --> 00:44:52,239
Speaker 1: up as opposed to run around him. Yeah. Looking, and

966
00:44:52,360 --> 00:44:54,839
Speaker 1: I've seen this firsthand. I saw what John Gruden did

967
00:44:54,920 --> 00:44:57,439
Speaker 1: with rich Gannon and rich Gannon's traits. Like you gotta

968
00:44:57,440 --> 00:45:00,120
Speaker 1: remember when rich Gannon came out of Delaware. Obviously this

969
00:45:00,280 --> 00:45:03,279
Speaker 1: before I was in the business, before I even started playing. Look,

970
00:45:03,320 --> 00:45:05,400
Speaker 1: he was such an athlete that they considered moving him

971
00:45:05,440 --> 00:45:07,400
Speaker 1: to safety and he had to had to kind of

972
00:45:07,480 --> 00:45:09,480
Speaker 1: stop people from doing that because he felt like he

973
00:45:09,520 --> 00:45:12,560
Speaker 1: was a quarterback at Washington then in Minnesota, didn't come

974
00:45:12,600 --> 00:45:14,239
Speaker 1: in to Kansas City where we played together, and then

975
00:45:14,239 --> 00:45:16,680
Speaker 1: also in Oakland where we also were together. And so

976
00:45:17,160 --> 00:45:21,560
Speaker 1: there's something to what you're pointing out about toughness. Um,

977
00:45:21,840 --> 00:45:24,680
Speaker 1: you have to have the right toughness. You have to

978
00:45:24,680 --> 00:45:27,239
Speaker 1: be the right kind of guy to kind of ingratiate

979
00:45:27,280 --> 00:45:30,760
Speaker 1: yourself to John Gruden. Yeah, Jalen Hurts in that situation,

980
00:45:30,880 --> 00:45:33,520
Speaker 1: I can see it working. All right, let's uh maybe

981
00:45:33,600 --> 00:45:35,680
Speaker 1: highlight one other guy that you're looking for kind of

982
00:45:35,680 --> 00:45:37,400
Speaker 1: out of that pile that you're looking forward to seeing

983
00:45:37,400 --> 00:45:38,920
Speaker 1: here and what you want to see from him. Okay,

984
00:45:39,000 --> 00:45:42,120
Speaker 1: so uh DJ we talked about this project coming on, like, look,

985
00:45:42,160 --> 00:45:44,920
Speaker 1: once you get to this section or whatever, everyone is

986
00:45:44,960 --> 00:45:47,359
Speaker 1: looking for, who is the late round guy that can

987
00:45:47,360 --> 00:45:49,919
Speaker 1: be the next Gonna mensh you? And I'm gonna say, look,

988
00:45:50,000 --> 00:45:52,399
Speaker 1: the guy that replaced Gonna Mensh you at Washington State.

989
00:45:52,440 --> 00:45:54,960
Speaker 1: How about Anthony Gordon. We saw Anthony Gordon throw the

990
00:45:54,960 --> 00:45:57,319
Speaker 1: ball around a little bit down to the Senior Bowl,

991
00:45:57,320 --> 00:45:59,160
Speaker 1: got the ball out of his hands. Uh, it just

992
00:45:59,160 --> 00:46:01,440
Speaker 1: looked just kind of like player. And I think sometimes

993
00:46:01,480 --> 00:46:02,960
Speaker 1: you just have to watch those guys and they can

994
00:46:02,960 --> 00:46:04,480
Speaker 1: get it out. They can function, they can kind of

995
00:46:04,520 --> 00:46:07,400
Speaker 1: distribute and do some things. And now because we're seeing

996
00:46:07,440 --> 00:46:11,520
Speaker 1: more of the air raid quarterbacks have success, I'm willing

997
00:46:11,560 --> 00:46:14,280
Speaker 1: to kind of take a flyer on Anthony Gordon because

998
00:46:14,719 --> 00:46:17,799
Speaker 1: one of the things that that's beginning to resonate and

999
00:46:17,840 --> 00:46:21,879
Speaker 1: show reps at the quarterback position matter more now than

1000
00:46:21,920 --> 00:46:24,960
Speaker 1: they ever have. The more gas throw, the better they

1001
00:46:25,000 --> 00:46:27,960
Speaker 1: get when it comes to their opportunity to succeed in

1002
00:46:28,000 --> 00:46:31,160
Speaker 1: the league. You know, you when you play for Mike Lee,

1003
00:46:31,280 --> 00:46:33,480
Speaker 1: you thought all over the yard, he's done it. I

1004
00:46:33,480 --> 00:46:35,000
Speaker 1: think that might surf him. Will there's a guy that

1005
00:46:35,000 --> 00:46:37,440
Speaker 1: could be a late around pick. Yeah, I'm gonna go.

1006
00:46:37,840 --> 00:46:39,520
Speaker 1: There's another one that was in that game in the

1007
00:46:39,560 --> 00:46:42,360
Speaker 1: senior bow. I'm gonna Stephen montes Um as somebody just

1008
00:46:42,400 --> 00:46:44,239
Speaker 1: to keep an eye on. He's Look, he's six four,

1009
00:46:44,280 --> 00:46:46,799
Speaker 1: two forty pounds. He's a big, strong dude. He's got

1010
00:46:46,800 --> 00:46:50,120
Speaker 1: a real live arm um. I just thought some of

1011
00:46:50,120 --> 00:46:53,840
Speaker 1: the stuff with him with pressure, Uh, he struggled, you know,

1012
00:46:54,000 --> 00:46:56,640
Speaker 1: just kind of getting off your spot making reactionary plays.

1013
00:46:56,920 --> 00:46:58,760
Speaker 1: So you're not really going to see that at the combine,

1014
00:46:58,800 --> 00:47:00,040
Speaker 1: but I think what you will see is you'll be

1015
00:47:00,120 --> 00:47:01,839
Speaker 1: a big, strong guy who can really let it rip.

1016
00:47:01,920 --> 00:47:04,040
Speaker 1: He's not a bad athlete. Um, so he's one I

1017
00:47:04,040 --> 00:47:05,840
Speaker 1: would keep an eye on. Kind of is that that

1018
00:47:06,840 --> 00:47:08,920
Speaker 1: day three you know, kind of quarterback to keep an

1019
00:47:08,920 --> 00:47:10,279
Speaker 1: eye on. I think there's some tools there. I think

1020
00:47:10,280 --> 00:47:12,400
Speaker 1: there's some ability there. There's a there's a play against

1021
00:47:12,440 --> 00:47:14,080
Speaker 1: Washington I wrote down in my notes, Buck they have

1022
00:47:14,160 --> 00:47:16,440
Speaker 1: late in that game end up beating Washington. They were

1023
00:47:16,480 --> 00:47:18,239
Speaker 1: in a quarterback sneak. He got twelve yards on a

1024
00:47:18,280 --> 00:47:19,960
Speaker 1: quarterback sneak. I don't know what that means, but it

1025
00:47:20,000 --> 00:47:27,560
Speaker 1: was very unusual, noteworthy twelve yards on a quarterback sneak. Uh. Man, Look,

1026
00:47:27,640 --> 00:47:30,680
Speaker 1: it speaks to the to the athleticism, I guess, like

1027
00:47:30,719 --> 00:47:32,680
Speaker 1: being able to get that into toughness that he kept

1028
00:47:32,680 --> 00:47:34,040
Speaker 1: on going and what it means. But it was a

1029
00:47:34,080 --> 00:47:37,520
Speaker 1: weird Uh. It was weird. Um All right, man, anything

1030
00:47:37,560 --> 00:47:39,200
Speaker 1: else you want to add before we wrap this thing up? No,

1031
00:47:39,320 --> 00:47:40,960
Speaker 1: I think that's good. I think that's a good three

1032
00:47:40,960 --> 00:47:42,960
Speaker 1: of you. I can't wait until we get a chance

1033
00:47:43,000 --> 00:47:44,439
Speaker 1: to see these guys kind of do it in prime

1034
00:47:44,480 --> 00:47:46,920
Speaker 1: time and then talk about it after the combine. We

1035
00:47:46,960 --> 00:47:50,200
Speaker 1: will definitely do that. Appreciate you guys joining us to today.

1036
00:47:50,200 --> 00:47:51,759
Speaker 1: I hope you've enjoyed it. We look forward to watching

1037
00:47:51,760 --> 00:47:54,480
Speaker 1: these guys work out. Hopefully you'll join us uh NFL Network,

1038
00:47:54,600 --> 00:47:56,480
Speaker 1: NFL dot Com. We'll have all of our coverage from

1039
00:47:56,480 --> 00:47:59,879
Speaker 1: the NFL Scouting Combine in Indianapolis, the workouts they will

1040
00:48:00,040 --> 00:48:02,960
Speaker 1: get going on Thursday. Uh So, anyways, we got you

1041
00:48:03,000 --> 00:48:05,279
Speaker 1: covered right here on Move the sticks up into the

1042
00:48:05,320 --> 00:48:07,680
Speaker 1: combine and we'll have everything you need as we react

1043
00:48:07,680 --> 00:48:10,040
Speaker 1: to it as well. He's Bucky Brooks. I'm Daniel Jeremiah.

1044
00:48:10,160 --> 00:48:12,200
Speaker 1: Nice job in a bill producing this thing. We'll see

1045
00:48:12,200 --> 00:48:13,640
Speaker 1: you next time. Right here and move the sticks