WEBVTT - Remixed: The Unexpected Side of Science - Lab120 0:00:03.680 --> 0:00:09.920 I'm t T and I'm Zakiah, and this is Dope Labs. 0:00:11.360 --> 0:00:14.600 Welcome to Dope Labs, a weekly podcast that mixes hardcore 0:00:14.680 --> 0:00:23.600 science with pop culture and a healthy dose of friendship. Well, y'all, 0:00:24.239 --> 0:00:28.400 we made a planetarium film. It feels wild to even 0:00:28.520 --> 0:00:31.040 say it now. It really does, because I mean it 0:00:31.240 --> 0:00:34.600 all started like four years ago and we have been 0:00:34.640 --> 0:00:37.519 working on it for that long. Yeah, I have a 0:00:37.560 --> 0:00:40.600 new respect for people who are filmmakers. Like, I knew 0:00:40.600 --> 0:00:43.440 it was hard, but this was, like, creatively one of 0:00:43.440 --> 0:00:46.920 the hardest things I've ever done. Zakia, your brain is 0:00:47.000 --> 0:00:49.479 different from mine, so I was just like trying to 0:00:49.600 --> 0:00:54.560 envision everything and it. It just took so much. But 0:00:54.720 --> 0:00:57.640 it was a labor of love, it really was. And 0:00:58.120 --> 0:01:01.240 TT saying, oh, my brain is different. Don't y'all fall 0:01:01.320 --> 0:01:04.000 for that? Okay. Halfway through the project, t T gave 0:01:04.040 --> 0:01:06.720 me one of those, you know, work style tests and 0:01:06.920 --> 0:01:08.600 was like, I'm this kind of worker. What kind of 0:01:08.600 --> 0:01:10.440 worker are you? She was saying, she was fed up. 0:01:10.480 --> 0:01:13.240 That was her work. I want everybody to know I 0:01:13.280 --> 0:01:16.920 was just trying to help folks understand themselves more so 0:01:16.959 --> 0:01:20.000 that you can, you know, say these are my strengths, 0:01:20.000 --> 0:01:23.600 these are our weaknesses. How can we blend together? But honestly, 0:01:23.760 --> 0:01:26.080 in this creative process, I really felt like me and 0:01:26.160 --> 0:01:30.280 the kid complement each other very well, you know. But 0:01:30.560 --> 0:01:32.600 let's talk about the film a little bit. So it's 0:01:32.640 --> 0:01:36.680 called Remixed The Unexpected Side of Science, And in this film, 0:01:37.000 --> 0:01:40.640 we're showing young folks that the things that they're interested 0:01:40.680 --> 0:01:43.520 in currently, like right now, are all rooted in science. 0:01:43.560 --> 0:01:46.600 So it feels like a Dope Labs episode, but the 0:01:46.720 --> 0:01:49.720 scope is just way bigger and it's not just audio, 0:01:49.760 --> 0:01:52.560 it's visual too, which was a lot of fun. Now. 0:01:52.600 --> 0:01:55.480 The film premiered November sixth at the Museum of Science 0:01:55.520 --> 0:01:57.680 in Boston, and so we had a really great event 0:01:57.720 --> 0:02:00.160 at the museum because we already were expanding in to 0:02:00.560 --> 0:02:02.720 the visual space for Dope Labs, and then we were 0:02:02.720 --> 0:02:04.760 able to take dopelops and then we were able to 0:02:04.760 --> 0:02:06.840 take Dope Labs into the live event space. 0:02:06.960 --> 0:02:07.120 Right. 0:02:07.440 --> 0:02:09.639 So we had a painting experience because we talk about 0:02:09.680 --> 0:02:11.840 science and art. We had an ice cream station with 0:02:11.880 --> 0:02:15.639 liquid nitrogen because we talked about science and food, and 0:02:15.720 --> 0:02:18.120 we had a podcast studio for folks to flex their 0:02:18.160 --> 0:02:21.440 science communication muscles a little bit. And tell us what 0:02:21.480 --> 0:02:24.000 they thought about the film. Let's listen to that right now. 0:02:24.040 --> 0:02:27.760 Actually, I gotta tell you, my favorite part was learning 0:02:28.120 --> 0:02:33.000 just all the different science between algorithms in music, how 0:02:33.040 --> 0:02:35.960 different ways that those songs get put together or put 0:02:36.120 --> 0:02:41.280 using science, using large mathematical models. That just blows my 0:02:41.400 --> 0:02:44.240 mind that something as simple as music these days can 0:02:44.280 --> 0:02:47.799 be so complicated and so science space. That's exactly why 0:02:47.840 --> 0:02:50.680 we need to understand this more, because it's not gonna 0:02:50.760 --> 0:02:54.360 just make our music better, it's gonna make our jams better. 0:02:54.840 --> 0:02:56.119 That was my favorite part. 0:02:57.000 --> 0:03:00.440 I thought this film was brilliant and fun and soative, 0:03:00.560 --> 0:03:02.720 But I think my favorite part and the part where 0:03:02.760 --> 0:03:05.880 I teared up, was at the end where they were 0:03:06.000 --> 0:03:08.840 encouraging kids and people everywhere to use the voice that 0:03:08.880 --> 0:03:12.399 they have, to share their ideas and get their feetvd 0:03:12.520 --> 0:03:16.600 into the world and connect that to science. Because they 0:03:16.760 --> 0:03:18.919 it wasn't just empty words. They had kind of shown 0:03:18.960 --> 0:03:21.360 you all the way through through pictures and words and 0:03:21.480 --> 0:03:25.639 music and sounds, so that you were carried along in 0:03:25.720 --> 0:03:27.679 that experience and felt you just too. 0:03:28.200 --> 0:03:29.200 Do you guys want to say anything? 0:03:29.639 --> 0:03:33.920 My favorite part was when they showed how sports was 0:03:34.480 --> 0:03:35.920 like intertwined with science. 0:03:38.120 --> 0:03:41.120 So my favorite part of the movie honestly was seeing 0:03:41.160 --> 0:03:44.040 more black women at science, because you don't really see 0:03:44.160 --> 0:03:46.880 a lot of dope black women that are you know, 0:03:47.080 --> 0:03:50.800 cool and hips doing science, and just to think about 0:03:50.800 --> 0:03:54.120 how we do that in our everyday life is so 0:03:54.200 --> 0:03:55.800 funny to me because now I'm going to be at 0:03:55.840 --> 0:03:58.640 work like, oh, I'm a scientist, like ice scoop ice 0:03:58.680 --> 0:04:02.280 cream and I managed, so I'm a scientist. I'm making 0:04:02.320 --> 0:04:05.000 a milkshake, so I'm a scientist. So it was really 0:04:05.000 --> 0:04:08.080 fun to see how like we can incorporate science into 0:04:08.160 --> 0:04:12.280 our everyday lives. I don't really think anything really surprised me, 0:04:12.440 --> 0:04:15.720 but I guess it was more a sounding that we 0:04:15.920 --> 0:04:20.279 do use science every single day within our lives. So 0:04:20.680 --> 0:04:24.440 it was really cool to see everybody you know, participating 0:04:24.480 --> 0:04:27.240 in their own way, whether it be sports or art. 0:04:27.640 --> 0:04:29.640 So it was just really cool to be a part 0:04:29.640 --> 0:04:30.480 of that experience. 0:04:31.680 --> 0:04:33.480 One of our major goals with this film is that 0:04:33.560 --> 0:04:35.880 we wanted to help bridge the gap and try to 0:04:35.920 --> 0:04:39.240 get rid of the narrative that being interested in science 0:04:39.480 --> 0:04:42.839 and like stem careers means that you will be wearing 0:04:42.839 --> 0:04:47.320 a lab coat and working with beakers and in some cold, dark, 0:04:47.640 --> 0:04:51.560 stuffy lab all day like science is everywhere, and so 0:04:52.120 --> 0:04:54.920 that's really what we wanted to highlight with this film 0:04:55.040 --> 0:04:58.279 was that you know, you could be interested in music, 0:04:58.680 --> 0:05:01.039 and there's lots of science there that you could be 0:05:01.080 --> 0:05:04.679 interested in. In food, there's a ton of chemistry there, 0:05:05.000 --> 0:05:06.760 and you can be interested in sports, and of course 0:05:06.760 --> 0:05:10.279 there's a lot of physics and material science and biomechanics 0:05:10.600 --> 0:05:13.120 and so so much more. And so that's really what 0:05:13.160 --> 0:05:16.599 we wanted to show. And so at the actual event 0:05:16.760 --> 0:05:20.680 at the premiere, we ask people how they were a 0:05:20.720 --> 0:05:23.640 scientist in their own day to day lives. So didn't 0:05:23.680 --> 0:05:25.479 have to be a scientist, but show us tell us 0:05:25.480 --> 0:05:27.520 a little bit about how you use science in your 0:05:27.600 --> 0:05:30.400 day to day. I am a scientist in my every 0:05:30.440 --> 0:05:32.680 day lit because I love learning and I feel like 0:05:32.800 --> 0:05:37.320 science is about the pursuit of knowledge, and so every 0:05:37.400 --> 0:05:37.720 day I. 0:05:37.680 --> 0:05:40.080 Try to learn something new and figure out something that 0:05:40.120 --> 0:05:42.840 I don't know about the world around me, and make 0:05:42.880 --> 0:05:47.520 new observations that inform inform the world for me. 0:05:49.120 --> 0:05:53.960 So I thoroughly enjoy the film a lot. And one 0:05:54.000 --> 0:05:57.159 of the questions is share how you are a scientists 0:05:57.200 --> 0:05:59.560 in your day to day and I am a manager 0:06:00.120 --> 0:06:06.000 Jerry's and we scooped by ounces and like different combinations 0:06:06.040 --> 0:06:09.159 of ice creams, the mixtures, and I feel like that 0:06:09.279 --> 0:06:11.400 also has a bit of science in it as well. 0:06:12.040 --> 0:06:17.719 And what was my favorite part was definitely the animation 0:06:17.960 --> 0:06:23.520 and how easy it was to really articulate how science 0:06:23.720 --> 0:06:27.880 is in everyday life, especially with like, you know, movement, 0:06:28.040 --> 0:06:32.159 riding a bike, even just as basic as like not basic, 0:06:32.200 --> 0:06:33.720 because heart is not basic at all. 0:06:33.760 --> 0:06:35.240 It's very hard, but. 0:06:35.680 --> 0:06:38.400 Just doing every day to day life was really amazing, 0:06:39.000 --> 0:06:41.760 and that was one of my favorite parts of how 0:06:42.000 --> 0:06:47.760 science really incorporates I think former science major. It really 0:06:47.800 --> 0:06:51.440 did bring like a nice like warmth to my heart 0:06:51.520 --> 0:06:54.920 to see it again and letting everybody even to like 0:06:56.279 --> 0:06:59.120 everybody that could be part of it. And it's just 0:06:59.160 --> 0:07:01.440 not like stay in a lab and being a nerd. 0:07:01.960 --> 0:07:03.400 It's literally every day life. 0:07:03.480 --> 0:07:04.760 So I really could enjoy that. 0:07:05.960 --> 0:07:09.280 I really loved that because since they had already seen 0:07:09.279 --> 0:07:11.560 the film when they started doing these recordings, it really 0:07:11.600 --> 0:07:14.560 showed that it helped them see themselves as scientists in 0:07:14.600 --> 0:07:16.560 their day to day I mean that one woman who 0:07:16.640 --> 0:07:18.560 was talking about how she works in an ice cream 0:07:18.560 --> 0:07:22.160 shop and so she sees how they're weighing things out 0:07:22.280 --> 0:07:26.120 and you know, ounces and things like that. I was like, exactly, like, 0:07:26.200 --> 0:07:29.400 this is exactly what we wanted. So it felt so 0:07:29.600 --> 0:07:32.680 good to hear those and know that the impact we 0:07:32.680 --> 0:07:35.080 were hoping to have with the film it was realized 0:07:36.080 --> 0:07:40.400 just then. That's before it gets out exactly the broader public. 0:07:41.000 --> 0:07:43.600 You know, when we think about how this type of 0:07:44.440 --> 0:07:47.000 opportunity comes to fruition, I think a lot of it 0:07:47.040 --> 0:07:51.440 comes from finding our people, like minded folks who understand, 0:07:51.960 --> 0:07:54.800 you know, the dope lbs ethos of science and bringing 0:07:54.880 --> 0:07:57.400 science to folks. And I think this really goes back 0:07:57.440 --> 0:08:02.000 to when we first started releasing episodes. The Museum's creative director, 0:08:02.120 --> 0:08:05.080 James Monroe emailed us and said, hey, do you want 0:08:05.080 --> 0:08:09.480 to do a live show now? I think that was 0:08:09.480 --> 0:08:12.480 our first live show. Yes, it was with the Museum 0:08:12.560 --> 0:08:16.880 of Science, and it was so fun and things just 0:08:17.080 --> 0:08:20.400 grew from there, you know, from live shows to shows 0:08:20.480 --> 0:08:24.120 inside the planetarium, to hosting and doing other events, and 0:08:24.160 --> 0:08:27.000 then we just realized like when there was a call 0:08:27.440 --> 0:08:30.280 for this type of project, it felt natural because we 0:08:30.320 --> 0:08:33.080 had been working together with the museum, both Subspace and 0:08:33.120 --> 0:08:35.360 the Planetarium for a while and it felt like a 0:08:35.440 --> 0:08:38.680 natural blend. So for this episode, we really wanted to 0:08:38.720 --> 0:08:41.680 make sure that we brought in one of our main 0:08:41.760 --> 0:08:45.920 collaborators at the Museum of Science, Danny LeBlanc. She is 0:08:45.960 --> 0:08:50.040 the head of the planetarium and she's going to be 0:08:50.120 --> 0:08:52.480 talking with us about Remixed. 0:08:52.760 --> 0:08:53.600 Hi am Danny. 0:08:53.960 --> 0:08:55.839 I used to see her pronouns, and I am our 0:08:55.960 --> 0:08:58.679 director for Immersive theaters at the Museum of Science as 0:08:58.720 --> 0:09:00.720 well as the director for the Center for Space Sciences 0:09:00.720 --> 0:09:02.160 at the Museum of Science in Boston. 0:09:02.440 --> 0:09:07.640 The Museum of Science is a cultural institution in the Northeast. 0:09:07.840 --> 0:09:10.959 Whenever I talk to somebody who and I talk to 0:09:11.040 --> 0:09:12.760 a lot of people who have gone through Boston. You 0:09:12.760 --> 0:09:16.240 know when the life sciences you have MIT, Harvard, all 0:09:16.280 --> 0:09:18.920 the big schools. There a lot of great tech and 0:09:18.960 --> 0:09:21.160 innovation there. But people are like, have you seen the 0:09:21.240 --> 0:09:24.800 lightning exhibit at the Museum of Science? Have you? You know, 0:09:24.840 --> 0:09:27.200 they always somebody always tells me about their favorite exhibit 0:09:27.200 --> 0:09:30.040 and how in childhood they went to the museum. The 0:09:30.120 --> 0:09:32.280 museum has been there a long time, right, It's been 0:09:32.280 --> 0:09:33.200 there for a long time. 0:09:33.360 --> 0:09:36.280 We'll be celebrating two hundred years in twenty thirty. 0:09:36.480 --> 0:09:42.480 That's right behind the Quaker Oaks. The United States is 0:09:42.640 --> 0:09:45.920 just now celebrating this two hundred and fiftieth anniversary next year, 0:09:46.040 --> 0:09:49.640 so that's early stage. We have been working with the 0:09:49.720 --> 0:09:51.840 museum for a few years now. We've been doing live 0:09:51.880 --> 0:09:55.320 shows and before this film, the most recent thing is 0:09:55.320 --> 0:09:57.600 that we did a planetarium live show, which was very, 0:09:57.720 --> 0:10:00.640 very special and very cool to do. Can you talk 0:10:00.679 --> 0:10:05.240 about planetariums just in general, like across the country, like 0:10:05.559 --> 0:10:10.319 how planetariums impact the museum space and why they're so special. 0:10:10.360 --> 0:10:11.800 We know, but we want the people to know. 0:10:12.080 --> 0:10:16.079 Yeah, thank you, so yeah, the iconic experiences of the museum. 0:10:16.080 --> 0:10:17.800 I always think, like what we hear a lot of 0:10:17.920 --> 0:10:20.560 is there's the lightning show in the theater electricity, there's 0:10:20.559 --> 0:10:23.520 the Mugar Omni theater. The planetarium has been at our 0:10:23.559 --> 0:10:27.040 institution since nineteen fifty eight. Planetariums actually have been around 0:10:27.120 --> 0:10:31.320 for one hundred years. They just celebrated a centennial last year. Traditionally, 0:10:31.360 --> 0:10:33.960 a planetarium is a place where, you know, and one 0:10:34.000 --> 0:10:37.440 hundred years ago, you'd walk in and you'd sit back 0:10:37.440 --> 0:10:39.280 in a seat, look up and there would be a 0:10:39.480 --> 0:10:42.480 projector in the middle with a light source inside and 0:10:42.600 --> 0:10:47.200 little pinpoint holes that would be very very precisely arranged 0:10:47.240 --> 0:10:48.960 so that it would make it look like you're projecting 0:10:49.040 --> 0:10:50.840 the night sky, and it would just transport you to 0:10:50.920 --> 0:10:55.360 another world and just get the imagination started and just 0:10:55.480 --> 0:10:59.280 it invites curiosity and wonder. Technology has changed since then, 0:10:59.400 --> 0:11:02.319 so now were able to transport people using different technology. 0:11:02.360 --> 0:11:04.280 When I started in two thousand, so I've been there 0:11:04.320 --> 0:11:06.960 for twenty five years, so not the two hundred years. 0:11:07.080 --> 0:11:10.160 Of the institution, but it feels like a substantial amount 0:11:10.200 --> 0:11:10.520 of time. 0:11:10.840 --> 0:11:13.360 When I started there, we were using slide projectors, which 0:11:13.400 --> 0:11:16.040 is like still very like old school technology, but the 0:11:16.120 --> 0:11:20.760 team there was already producing content that would with slides 0:11:20.800 --> 0:11:23.880 just create still images and like panoramas and like put 0:11:23.920 --> 0:11:27.120 you in a rainforest, or put you in these still 0:11:27.160 --> 0:11:29.360 images and these still environments where you can look around 0:11:29.360 --> 0:11:31.400 at three hundred and sixty degrees and see something cool. 0:11:31.840 --> 0:11:34.440 Throughout the two thousands, video technology is getting better and better. 0:11:34.480 --> 0:11:36.960 Into twenty ten, it was for us we went to 0:11:37.160 --> 0:11:40.040 what's called digital full dome technology, and so now instead 0:11:40.040 --> 0:11:42.400 of using slide projectors, we were able to use video 0:11:42.920 --> 0:11:45.760 to create pretty much anything that we can like dream 0:11:45.840 --> 0:11:49.400 up or imagine and create that on the screen so 0:11:49.440 --> 0:11:51.880 that we can tell these incredible immersive stories that people 0:11:51.880 --> 0:11:54.959 can come in, sit down, look up, and follow this journey. 0:11:55.000 --> 0:11:58.160 And I think that has just allowed so much. 0:11:58.840 --> 0:12:00.720 And I think in this case, with the two of 0:12:00.760 --> 0:12:03.079 you at the Helm, we were able to take. 0:12:02.920 --> 0:12:04.679 The things that were in your minds and the things 0:12:04.720 --> 0:12:05.080 that you. 0:12:05.000 --> 0:12:07.720 Do in the podcast so beautifully and be able to 0:12:07.920 --> 0:12:10.680 support it now with all of these other elements visuals 0:12:10.720 --> 0:12:29.960 and audio, sound and music and just fun and joy. 0:12:30.960 --> 0:12:33.720 I think you got to know to really appreciate what 0:12:34.400 --> 0:12:36.440 you and the team at the Charles Hayden Planetarium at 0:12:36.480 --> 0:12:38.280 the Museum of Science are doing, you have to really 0:12:38.320 --> 0:12:41.760 know what the baseline is. And so let's talk about 0:12:41.760 --> 0:12:44.720 what the baseline experience these days if you go to 0:12:44.760 --> 0:12:46.880 a planetarium, because a lot of our audience I'm curious, 0:12:46.920 --> 0:12:48.520 I'm like, how many people have been to a planetarium 0:12:48.520 --> 0:12:50.160 in the last ten years? Comment and let us know 0:12:50.320 --> 0:12:53.880 on whatever platform you're listening to this on and what 0:12:54.040 --> 0:12:56.040 is the experience for those who haven't been in the 0:12:56.080 --> 0:12:58.360 last ten years? Typically, what does it look like to 0:12:58.400 --> 0:13:01.720 see an astronomy story in the planetarium. Danny with Digital 0:13:01.720 --> 0:13:02.680 Full dome technology. 0:13:02.679 --> 0:13:04.400 There's a lot of different experiences that you can have, 0:13:04.480 --> 0:13:07.160 but typically you walk in and I should say every 0:13:07.200 --> 0:13:10.520 planetarium around the world is different and unique in some way. 0:13:10.600 --> 0:13:12.079 There's all different, like the domes are. 0:13:12.280 --> 0:13:14.840 They look different, they're different sizes, they're different angles. The 0:13:14.880 --> 0:13:18.560 seating configurations are different for us. You walk in, you 0:13:18.640 --> 0:13:20.880 go up a little ramp and then you get to 0:13:20.960 --> 0:13:23.200 choose your seat. The seats are all arranged in a circle. 0:13:23.200 --> 0:13:25.480 It's called concentric seating. But it's got this really cool 0:13:25.520 --> 0:13:27.080 storytelling campfire. 0:13:26.760 --> 0:13:27.480 Field that we love. 0:13:27.559 --> 0:13:29.199 Right, So everybody's seated in a circle. 0:13:29.240 --> 0:13:30.480 It's very community style. 0:13:31.040 --> 0:13:33.360 You sit back and you look up and then a 0:13:33.400 --> 0:13:36.360 show begins. You know, we could have something about black holes, 0:13:36.480 --> 0:13:38.360 or there could be something about we have a show 0:13:38.360 --> 0:13:40.760 that's about exoplanets, which is all the worlds that are 0:13:40.760 --> 0:13:42.920 being discovered outside of our own solar system. 0:13:43.240 --> 0:13:44.360 And you'll have a narrator. 0:13:44.520 --> 0:13:47.800 Usually it's a single narrator, the voice of the universe 0:13:47.840 --> 0:13:50.280 who's telling you this story. But it's a very passive 0:13:51.320 --> 0:13:54.240 kind of experience that you just sit take it all in. 0:13:54.960 --> 0:13:56.760 It's beautiful spectacle. 0:13:57.080 --> 0:14:00.520 The imagery transports you, takes you to these other worlds, 0:14:00.840 --> 0:14:04.240 but you don't really get a chance to engage back. 0:14:04.960 --> 0:14:07.600 So that's like the traditional typical show. 0:14:08.000 --> 0:14:10.480 We have other shows in digital full dome technology now 0:14:10.520 --> 0:14:12.839 that allow you to actually fly through the universe is 0:14:12.840 --> 0:14:15.480 what we call it, So you can actually someone can 0:14:16.040 --> 0:14:19.320 drive behind the console and real time they're flying you around, 0:14:19.720 --> 0:14:22.720 lifting off the Earth, looking at planets, looking at the moons, 0:14:23.560 --> 0:14:27.480 going beyond the Solar System, looking at the galaxy star 0:14:27.560 --> 0:14:30.680 clusters and then galaxies beyond. But what's really cool about 0:14:30.680 --> 0:14:33.200 that now in twenty first century is that it's all 0:14:33.240 --> 0:14:37.600 based on real research and real astronomical catalogs from scientists 0:14:37.960 --> 0:14:41.000 that are put into these data sets that we get 0:14:41.000 --> 0:14:42.960 to access in real time and fly through. So you 0:14:43.000 --> 0:14:45.640 think of like Google Earth you get to explore on 0:14:45.680 --> 0:14:49.120 your computer. This is like Google Universe with a tour 0:14:49.160 --> 0:14:52.360 guide and you can ask questions and you know, we 0:14:52.400 --> 0:14:53.640 can have a lot of fun with that, and we 0:14:53.680 --> 0:14:55.880 can tailor it for the audience so that it's different 0:14:55.960 --> 0:14:58.160 for us as presenters every time too. 0:14:58.720 --> 0:15:01.280 Can you talk about your team a little bit, who 0:15:01.320 --> 0:15:04.240 they are, what their roles are, and how they contribute 0:15:04.280 --> 0:15:09.400 to this amazing work because they have very unique sets 0:15:09.440 --> 0:15:13.360 of skills that you don't find very many places. 0:15:14.240 --> 0:15:17.280 Yeah, there's no school for learning how to do what 0:15:17.320 --> 0:15:21.000 we do. So I'm incredibly lucky. I have a pretty 0:15:21.000 --> 0:15:27.160 sizeable team. They're educators, VFX, multimedia producers, and artists, and 0:15:27.520 --> 0:15:30.440 we all wear many hats. On this particular team. We 0:15:30.480 --> 0:15:32.800 have people who are trained in astronomy who've gone to 0:15:32.800 --> 0:15:35.640 school for it, and we have people who've trained in 0:15:35.840 --> 0:15:39.080 completely different disciplines. Aren't a few people who we've had 0:15:39.120 --> 0:15:41.960 in the past that have different science discipline trainings. But 0:15:42.040 --> 0:15:44.200 really what they're interested in and what brings everybody together 0:15:44.280 --> 0:15:48.080 is the idea of science communication and telling these stories. 0:15:48.280 --> 0:15:49.480 And then even if. 0:15:49.360 --> 0:15:52.200 They don't know astronomy or haven't learned it in a classroom, 0:15:52.440 --> 0:15:54.880 they're excited by it because they know that it can 0:15:55.000 --> 0:15:59.840 open up these bigger questions and they have themselves that curiosity. 0:16:00.240 --> 0:16:03.440 So my team there's seven people. 0:16:03.480 --> 0:16:06.200 We've got two of them who started before I did, 0:16:06.640 --> 0:16:06.960 one of. 0:16:06.960 --> 0:16:08.960 Them who trained me. His name is Darryl. 0:16:09.080 --> 0:16:12.520 He's been there for I think forty years so, and 0:16:12.600 --> 0:16:15.800 he worked in planetariums even before the one that we're 0:16:15.840 --> 0:16:18.440 at now. He's been working in planetariums since he was 0:16:18.480 --> 0:16:21.920 sixteen and so, and this is very common in our field. 0:16:21.920 --> 0:16:24.240 There's people who just stay here doing this for a 0:16:24.280 --> 0:16:26.880 long time because they just get so much joy from it. 0:16:27.200 --> 0:16:29.520 And then we have another staff person, one of our 0:16:29.640 --> 0:16:31.320 VFX multimedia artists. 0:16:31.320 --> 0:16:32.080 His name is Chuck. 0:16:32.400 --> 0:16:35.440 His parents worked in the planetarium in nineteen fifty eight, 0:16:35.520 --> 0:16:38.360 both of them, so he's been at the museum for 0:16:38.360 --> 0:16:40.680 a long time. And then we have people who've been 0:16:40.720 --> 0:16:44.400 there for fifteen years and in that order of magnitude. 0:16:44.400 --> 0:16:46.480 And we have people who just started the last couple 0:16:46.560 --> 0:16:48.760 of years who are new and just like learning the field. 0:16:48.800 --> 0:16:53.160 And both of them came with video production and animation backgrounds. 0:16:53.440 --> 0:16:58.200 Not all planetariums are producing films. You're both displaying films, 0:16:58.280 --> 0:17:01.960 but you're also producing new content that then gets picked 0:17:02.000 --> 0:17:04.439 up by other planetariums. Right, so you both are a 0:17:04.520 --> 0:17:08.000 knowledge distributor and a knowledge producer with your team, and 0:17:08.080 --> 0:17:10.520 I think that's really important to credit. I think in 0:17:10.560 --> 0:17:13.320 the past you've told me before, in the past fifteen years, 0:17:13.359 --> 0:17:16.480 you all have created six shows. Now, the one with 0:17:16.520 --> 0:17:19.359 Dope Labs we're very excited about, and we're going to 0:17:19.400 --> 0:17:20.800 talk about that in a little bit. But I want 0:17:20.840 --> 0:17:25.000 to talk about what it looks like to collaborate because 0:17:25.040 --> 0:17:28.680 we've been collaborators for years and I think people think 0:17:28.720 --> 0:17:31.480 about collaboration in different ways, and this is the wildest 0:17:31.480 --> 0:17:33.720 group project I've been a part of. I think our 0:17:33.720 --> 0:17:37.760 collaboration has been so special and it didn't feel foreign 0:17:37.840 --> 0:17:39.919 to us because TT and I have worked in labs 0:17:39.920 --> 0:17:42.959 and this felt just like that, like working with your 0:17:43.000 --> 0:17:46.240 team felt like, Okay, the Dope Labs lab is now 0:17:46.280 --> 0:17:49.919 working with the Planetarium Lab. They're grass students their PI, 0:17:50.160 --> 0:17:52.280 like we're working all together. And it was such a 0:17:52.280 --> 0:17:53.080 great process. 0:17:53.320 --> 0:17:55.000 I loved working with both of you and want to 0:17:55.040 --> 0:17:57.640 talk about that because it was the creating something out 0:17:57.640 --> 0:18:00.560 of nothing or with a seed, the seed of Dope Labs, 0:18:00.560 --> 0:18:02.520 and like, how does that manifest into something that's like 0:18:02.520 --> 0:18:06.120 this visual experience and that ability to be able to iterate, 0:18:06.200 --> 0:18:08.480 Like I love, I just want to I'm stuck on 0:18:08.520 --> 0:18:10.439 what you said because it's so great, Like it was 0:18:10.480 --> 0:18:12.720 a lab and we get to iterate and try some things, 0:18:12.960 --> 0:18:16.840 see what they look like, tweak, adjust, and then try again, 0:18:17.080 --> 0:18:20.199 and that was just that whole process was so so 0:18:20.359 --> 0:18:23.119 much fun and it really was the first time that 0:18:23.160 --> 0:18:26.040 we did it like that in such an organic way 0:18:26.119 --> 0:18:28.760 because usually so talking about some of the other collaborations 0:18:28.760 --> 0:18:31.000 that we've had, we do we start from scripts, we 0:18:31.040 --> 0:18:33.840 start from like it's a very linear there's still room 0:18:34.000 --> 0:18:36.159 for creativity and for freedom and for trying things and 0:18:36.200 --> 0:18:38.919 for iterating, but it's more along this like linear path. 0:18:39.440 --> 0:18:41.120 We know the story we want to tell and we 0:18:41.359 --> 0:18:43.080 kind of just start to write it and then we 0:18:43.119 --> 0:18:46.520 map it out. This we decided to go to Oklahoma 0:18:46.640 --> 0:18:50.680 in the last six weeks of production, and then two 0:18:50.680 --> 0:18:53.879 weeks later we're in Oklahoma and our cinematographer is like 0:18:53.920 --> 0:18:56.919 in a field with sticks that I didn't know what 0:18:56.960 --> 0:18:59.760 those were, right, And like, I just I loved the process, 0:19:00.200 --> 0:19:03.000 collaboration and being able to figure it out on the fly, 0:19:03.160 --> 0:19:06.360 and just for us, it was really important that we 0:19:06.359 --> 0:19:08.760 were following your vision the whole time, and that so 0:19:08.840 --> 0:19:12.080 if you any ideas that you had bucking Broncos, sure, 0:19:12.160 --> 0:19:14.520 let's let's let's go for it, because that's never been 0:19:14.520 --> 0:19:17.879 done before and it tells the story and it's going 0:19:17.960 --> 0:19:20.200 to surprise people in a way that is going to 0:19:20.640 --> 0:19:23.719 engage them and get their attention, and that is what 0:19:23.720 --> 0:19:24.480 we're hoping for. 0:19:39.200 --> 0:19:42.320 I always go back to the moment where this was 0:19:42.800 --> 0:19:46.280 presented to us as a possibility when we were applying 0:19:46.320 --> 0:19:49.520 for the grant from NASA, and I was just so 0:19:49.680 --> 0:19:52.359 blown away that we were even thought of for something 0:19:52.440 --> 0:19:54.720 like this. This was just not on my bingo card 0:19:54.760 --> 0:19:57.600 when it came to like Dope Labs and building the 0:19:57.640 --> 0:20:00.080 Dope Labs ecosystem. I never in a million years what 0:20:00.240 --> 0:20:04.640 I thought I would be co producing a film with Zakia. 0:20:05.359 --> 0:20:09.040 But I'm curious how you approach it and like what 0:20:09.240 --> 0:20:11.720 made you say this would be a great project for 0:20:11.880 --> 0:20:12.639 TT and Zakiya. 0:20:14.000 --> 0:20:16.080 Well, for that part, we had been following you. 0:20:16.160 --> 0:20:18.240 I know, we had been at events that you'd had 0:20:18.280 --> 0:20:21.199 at the museum before this project, and the two of 0:20:21.200 --> 0:20:24.280 you are just incredible science communicators and the energy that 0:20:24.320 --> 0:20:26.480 you have in the podcast and that just together and 0:20:26.520 --> 0:20:29.000 telling those stories to be able to like bring that 0:20:29.040 --> 0:20:30.879 into the planetary and we already knew that was going 0:20:30.960 --> 0:20:33.800 to be something magical because it's so different from that 0:20:34.640 --> 0:20:36.840 single voice, right to have the two of you engaging 0:20:36.840 --> 0:20:40.439 together and having fun together brings the audience into the 0:20:40.520 --> 0:20:44.640 story in a way that just isn't hasn't really been done. 0:20:44.680 --> 0:20:46.600