WEBVTT - #248 Jason Flom with Ken Middleton

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<v Speaker 1>Canon.

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy Middleton had properties in Blue Springs, Missouri, as well

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<v Speaker 2>as Ken's family lay back in Arkansas, where they hoped

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<v Speaker 2>to one day retire. On February twelfth, nineteen ninety, when

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<v Speaker 2>he planned to clean a gun that he had brought

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<v Speaker 2>back from Arkansas, Ken felt ill, laid the gun down

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<v Speaker 2>and took the nap. Meanwhile, Kathy returned early from work

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<v Speaker 2>to confront Ken about news of a regretful affair that

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<v Speaker 2>had ended three years earlier. After grabbing the gun from

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<v Speaker 2>where Ken had laid it down, Kathy made her way

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<v Speaker 2>to the phone to call the alleged mistress. When tragedy struck.

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<v Speaker 2>It is believed that it destroyed. Kathy mishandled the weapon

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<v Speaker 2>in her left hand and shot herself in the head.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken immediately called nine one one when first responders found

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<v Speaker 2>him without a drop of blood or gunshot residue on him.

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<v Speaker 2>A positive gunshot residue test of Kathy's left hand would

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<v Speaker 2>have conclusively ruled her death as a tragic accident. However,

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<v Speaker 2>her left hand test results went missing and the crime

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<v Speaker 2>lab document was altered in what clearly appears to be

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<v Speaker 2>evidence tampering, where a medical ex disaminur and blood spatter

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<v Speaker 2>expert willing to testify to an impossible scenario in which

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<v Speaker 2>Ken was magically able to shoot Kathy from less than

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<v Speaker 2>a foot away while remaining free of blood and GSR.

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<v Speaker 2>Ken was sentenced to life plus two hundred years. Despite

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<v Speaker 2>the mishandling of the crime scene, ballistics testing was still

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<v Speaker 2>able to prove Ken's innocence. His conviction was overturned in

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<v Speaker 2>two thousand and four, but a jurisdictional technicality has held

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<v Speaker 2>him in legal limbo ever since. Canada's son Cliff Middleton

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<v Speaker 2>join us to ask, how is it that even though

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<v Speaker 2>a new statute remedies that technicality, the current prosecutor, Jean

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<v Speaker 2>Peters Baker, refuses to act. This is raeful conviction. Welcome

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<v Speaker 2>back to Raful Conviction. I'm your host, Jason Faum. You know,

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<v Speaker 2>each week I have a pretty good idea of how

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<v Speaker 2>I'm going to start the show. You Know, usually there's

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<v Speaker 2>one main focus, one main problem that we can talk

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<v Speaker 2>about in any particular case. But this time I don't

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<v Speaker 2>even know where to start. When our friend Larry Garrison,

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<v Speaker 2>who's aptly known as the newsbreaker okay for his years

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<v Speaker 2>of investigative reporting and his work through Silver Creek Entertainment.

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<v Speaker 2>When he first told me and us here at Romful

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<v Speaker 2>Conviction about the case of Ken Middleton, he had lived

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<v Speaker 2>up to his nickname once again, I mean the Newsbreaker.

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<v Speaker 2>So I'll start by saying that Ken Middleton has been

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<v Speaker 2>in prison for over thirty years for being present during

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<v Speaker 2>what they may well have known all along was just

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<v Speaker 2>a tragic accident. And there are so many problems in

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<v Speaker 2>this case that we could literally pick on any one

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<v Speaker 2>of them and make an entire episode of the show

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<v Speaker 2>just about that. I'm talking about ineffective assistance of counsel,

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<v Speaker 2>false expert testimony, evidence, tampering, incompetent investigator's official corruption, conflicts

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<v Speaker 2>of interest, Ken refusing freedom through at Alford play right,

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<v Speaker 2>something that you never catch he's a guilty person doing,

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<v Speaker 2>and that's something that happened seventeen years ago, almost eighteen now. Plus.

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<v Speaker 2>There's this insane jurisdictional technicality that has kept this innocent

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<v Speaker 2>man in prison long past the time that I believe

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<v Speaker 2>everyone knows that he should have ever been in there. So,

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<v Speaker 2>without further ado, at seventy seven years old, Ken is

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<v Speaker 2>calling in from inside the prison walls in Missouri. Ken

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<v Speaker 2>I'm so sorry you're here because of the reason why

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<v Speaker 2>you're here, but I'm very honored to have you on

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<v Speaker 2>the show.

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<v Speaker 3>Thank you appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>And with Ken is his son and probably most passionate advocate,

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<v Speaker 2>Cliff Middleton. Thanks for joining us.

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<v Speaker 1>Thank you so much for having me on. Jason, I

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<v Speaker 1>really really appreciate it.

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<v Speaker 2>And I know how hard this is going to be.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, like any other son, you love your dad

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<v Speaker 2>and you just want this thing to end. Okay, let's

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<v Speaker 2>go back in time and I'm gonna turn to you. Ken.

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<v Speaker 2>This is early nineteen ninety in Blue Springs, missus, and

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<v Speaker 2>you're there with your wife, Kathy. So tell us what

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<v Speaker 2>was happening in your life? What were things like before

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<v Speaker 2>all this happened.

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<v Speaker 3>It was great. We had a great marriage for over

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<v Speaker 3>sixteen years, had a farm in Arkansas, two different farms.

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<v Speaker 3>I had three hundred and fifty two acres of the land.

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<v Speaker 3>I had drove a truck for over twenty years and

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<v Speaker 3>had injured my back and I wasn't working right then.

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<v Speaker 3>So I was going to the farm and doing projects,

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<v Speaker 3>working on the house and watching nice of the cattle

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff like that. Kathy worked at at and t

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<v Speaker 3>for twenty eight years and two years he'd have her

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<v Speaker 3>time in horse she could retire regardless of age. And

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<v Speaker 3>that's what was waiting on and was moving back to targets

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<v Speaker 3>all for good.

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<v Speaker 2>And let's get into how this came to pass. So

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<v Speaker 2>let's go back to February twelfth, nineteen ninety and just

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<v Speaker 2>to set the stage here, you had been at your

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<v Speaker 2>place at Arkansas and you brought a handgun that you

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<v Speaker 2>owned back to Missouri with you. But meanwhile you had

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<v Speaker 2>been feeling sick, but no one knew at the time

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<v Speaker 2>that you or anybody that you were really seriously ill

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<v Speaker 2>at this point, is that right?

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<v Speaker 3>Right? And I was sick for left Arkansas, and when

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<v Speaker 3>I got back Sunday afternoon, I didn't sleep much all night.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next morning, Kathy had went to work at

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<v Speaker 3>at and T, and I unloaded the rest of my

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<v Speaker 3>truck and brought the gun in the house. It had

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<v Speaker 3>been in Arkansas since i'd went to Colorado Elcott in

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<v Speaker 3>the fall before, and there's a big snow and rain

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<v Speaker 3>and stuff in Colorado and it got wet, so I

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<v Speaker 3>picked it up and brought it back to Missouri. I

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<v Speaker 3>was aim to clean it and when I got it

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<v Speaker 3>out of the truck, I went in the house and

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<v Speaker 3>sat down. I called Kathy at work, and she asked

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<v Speaker 3>me how I was feeling. I said about the same.

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<v Speaker 3>I wasn't feeling good, and I sat in a recliner

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<v Speaker 3>and I went to sleep. And I'd never cleaned the gun.

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<v Speaker 3>So the next thing I knew, she was already home,

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<v Speaker 3>and she had picked up the gun out of the

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<v Speaker 3>towel and had the gun lean on and she was

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<v Speaker 3>upset that somebody had told her that I was having

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<v Speaker 3>an affair with a woman, which was true, but it

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<v Speaker 3>had been over for three years. And she walked over

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<v Speaker 3>to the phone in the dining room to call the woman.

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<v Speaker 3>So I got up and Daisy, and next thing I know,

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<v Speaker 3>the tragedy had happened.

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<v Speaker 2>And the tragedy that had happened is the matter of

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<v Speaker 2>this dispute between the Middletons and the state. Now, Ken

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<v Speaker 2>maintained his innocence in the matter, that this was a

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<v Speaker 2>tragic accident in which Kathy visibly upset about the news

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<v Speaker 2>of this affair, and on her way to the phone

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<v Speaker 2>to confront your alleged mistress, Kathy was holding the gun

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<v Speaker 2>in her left hand. And accidentally shot herself on the

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<v Speaker 2>left side of her forehead, splattering blood all over the wall.

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<v Speaker 2>This version of events is supported by the ballistics and

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<v Speaker 2>all the other physical evidence. And then there's what the

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<v Speaker 2>state wants everyone to believe. Right, bear with me, because

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<v Speaker 2>this is nuts. That Ken had somehow held Kathy up

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<v Speaker 2>against the wall and shot her in the face, but

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<v Speaker 2>somehow miraculously was able to be completely clear of blood

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<v Speaker 2>spatter or gunshot residue, not a trace on him. And

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<v Speaker 2>we'll get into all of that a bit later. So

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<v Speaker 2>back to this terrible tragedy. A gunshot rang out and

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<v Speaker 2>Kathy was on the floor in a pool of blood.

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<v Speaker 2>What a nightmare? Ken? What happened next?

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<v Speaker 3>I'd seen her on the floor and grabbed a gun

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<v Speaker 3>and put it on the table and call nine one

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<v Speaker 3>one immediately. I asked for the paramedics, and I'd called

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<v Speaker 3>him three times within a short period of time, and

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<v Speaker 3>wanting to know who the paramedics was. And the third time,

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<v Speaker 3>the operator told me to go outside, that the paramedics

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<v Speaker 3>were there. And I looked out, and I told her

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<v Speaker 3>that I'd looked out and there wasn't nobody out there,

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<v Speaker 3>and she convinced me to go outside that they were there.

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<v Speaker 3>So I went out and the first thing I seen

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<v Speaker 3>was a coppole behind the wall, screaming at me to

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<v Speaker 3>get my hands in the air and turn around with

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<v Speaker 3>my back to him at his gun pointed at me.

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<v Speaker 3>And I'd done as he said, and he'd come up

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<v Speaker 3>behind me and searched me. I wanted to know where

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<v Speaker 3>the paramedics were, and he ordered me back in the house,

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<v Speaker 3>and we went back in the house and he went

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<v Speaker 3>in and checked on my wife, and I was just hysterical,

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<v Speaker 3>and I guess I was down on my knees, and

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<v Speaker 3>he jerked me up, and when he'd done that fast,

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<v Speaker 3>I become dizzy, real dizzy, and I thought I was

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<v Speaker 3>ain't a blackout, So I said it was AMD be six,

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<v Speaker 3>and I went down the hall to the bathroom and

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<v Speaker 3>I went in and splashed water on my face, and

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<v Speaker 3>then he took me outside and I had a real

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<v Speaker 3>bad hurting in my left arm and chest.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, when the paramedics arrived, they determined, Kenny, you would

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<v Speaker 2>have been hyperventilating, complaining of chess planes and blood pressure

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<v Speaker 2>was going crazy, and they convinced you to go to

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital for an examination.

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<v Speaker 3>They taught me to go into the hospital, and they

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<v Speaker 3>took me to three medical hospitals, and then on the

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<v Speaker 3>third one, I was forced in a mental hospital till

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<v Speaker 3>the next day.

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<v Speaker 2>They later tried to say that you had checked into

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<v Speaker 2>that mental hospital to try to get away with murder

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<v Speaker 2>claim by claiming insanity defense. But we're getting ahead of

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<v Speaker 2>ourselves here, and let's not leave out the fact that

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<v Speaker 2>your dad was in and out of consciousness on his

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<v Speaker 2>way to the hospital. And they took an EKG at

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<v Speaker 2>the hospital and it showed that Ken, that you had

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<v Speaker 2>recently suffered from a heart attack. Now here's another thing

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<v Speaker 2>that I have trouble understanding or processing. The officers didn't

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<v Speaker 2>write their statements until days later, and they did it

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<v Speaker 2>by memory, right, And these statements that were taken from

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<v Speaker 2>a hysterical man who had to be rushed to the

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<v Speaker 2>hospital talking about you, of course, Ken, who was just

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<v Speaker 2>trying to help figure out what happened, So the officers

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<v Speaker 2>didn't bother to write it down.

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<v Speaker 1>There were a couple police reports that were handwritten out

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<v Speaker 1>that day, but the official reports that I have reviewed

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<v Speaker 1>were written on I believe it was February twenty first,

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<v Speaker 1>and Kathy died on the twelfth.

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<v Speaker 2>Now, in researching this case, I saw in the police

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<v Speaker 2>reports where they kept on documenting instances in which Ken

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<v Speaker 2>allegedly had done something with his hands, Like he mentioned

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<v Speaker 2>splashing water on its face, right, They wrote down another

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<v Speaker 2>instance where they said he wiped his hands on a door,

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<v Speaker 2>touched dirt in a potted plant, and the implication is

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<v Speaker 2>that Ken was trying to somehow wash away the gunshot residue.

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<v Speaker 1>There's a picture the Independence News Examiner paper took of

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<v Speaker 1>my father out there on the front stoop, leaning over

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<v Speaker 1>that potter plant, sobbing, and the two paramedics are consoling him.

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<v Speaker 1>It's very obvious that he was in a state of

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<v Speaker 1>shock and hysteria. First of all, you already claimed he

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<v Speaker 1>was washing his hands when he splashed water on his face.

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<v Speaker 1>It's crazy to think that somebody's trying to wash their

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<v Speaker 1>hands in the dirt. Unless you've been involved in something

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<v Speaker 1>like this, How would you even know what a gunshot

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<v Speaker 1>residue test is, especially in nineteen ninety Jayson, maybe today

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<v Speaker 1>with crime shows and things, but he didn't know what

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<v Speaker 1>they were testing him for.

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<v Speaker 3>They took my shirt, undershirt and clothes and shoes and all,

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<v Speaker 3>and they did test it and to come back negative.

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<v Speaker 3>No blood or nothing on my lone sleeve shirt. And

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<v Speaker 3>that picture in the front high of a house when

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<v Speaker 3>I was over the stoop shows the long sleeve shirt

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<v Speaker 3>down to my risk, there was no blood, no gunshots

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<v Speaker 3>on it.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, and as the evidence clearly shows, she was shot

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<v Speaker 2>from very close range, less than a foot away, and

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<v Speaker 2>there's no way you can do that without being covered

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<v Speaker 2>in blood and gunshot residue. But you weren't because you

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<v Speaker 2>didn't kill her. And Kathy's gunshot residue test would likely

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<v Speaker 2>have corroborated Ken's version of events and shown that this

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<v Speaker 2>was a tragic accident, not a homicide. Cliff, can you

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<v Speaker 2>explain what I mean by that?

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<v Speaker 1>They swabbed both of her hands that day four gunshot

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<v Speaker 1>residue and the prime document that they fill out shows

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<v Speaker 1>that they swabbed both hands, right and left hands, and

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<v Speaker 1>it shows they used two different kits to do that,

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<v Speaker 1>one for the right hand and one for the left hand. Well,

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<v Speaker 1>the next day when the coroner did the autopsy, the

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<v Speaker 1>corner ruled it a homicide based on what the police

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<v Speaker 1>were telling him, unless other information come forward to prove otherwise.

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<v Speaker 1>Now that gunshot residue was important information and took him

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<v Speaker 1>nine days to turn the gunshot residue samples into the

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<v Speaker 1>crime lab. And when they turned them into the crime lab,

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<v Speaker 1>the document was altered to show only one kit and

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<v Speaker 1>the left hand was wided out to show they only

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<v Speaker 1>tested the right hand when she was shot from eight

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<v Speaker 1>to twelve inches away on the left side of her head.

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<v Speaker 2>You really have to see this to believe it. And

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<v Speaker 2>we're going to link pictures of this in our episode

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<v Speaker 2>filed because I'm looking at it right now and i

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<v Speaker 2>still can't believe that I'm actually looking at what I'm

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<v Speaker 2>looking at. Okay. So, the test of Kathy's left hand,

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<v Speaker 2>the one in which she would have held the gun

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<v Speaker 2>in order to shoot herself, the test of that hand

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<v Speaker 2>disappeared or it wasn't tested on purpose. There's only two possibilities.

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<v Speaker 2>The crime lab document that should have been for both

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<v Speaker 2>of her hands was altered with whiteout. Okay, remember white out,

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<v Speaker 2>it's unreal. This is like to show that only her

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<v Speaker 2>right hand had been tested, and this is reinforced when

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<v Speaker 2>you compare it with the GSR test document for Ken

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<v Speaker 2>in the same handwriting okay, get ready for this, it

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<v Speaker 2>states quote number of articles two GSR test kits for

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<v Speaker 2>right and left hands end quote. But then on Kathy's

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<v Speaker 2>GSR test document, in the same exact handwriting, it says,

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<v Speaker 2>quote number of articles and whatever was there is white

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<v Speaker 2>it out right, just white it out, and the number

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<v Speaker 2>one is at its place, and then it reads quote

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<v Speaker 2>gunshot residue for right end quote, followed by another gob

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<v Speaker 2>of white out and the word hand. So in all

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<v Speaker 2>likelihood the white out is simply covering the words and left,

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<v Speaker 2>as it would have been in a request for testing

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<v Speaker 2>of both right and left hands, where now only one

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<v Speaker 2>test for her right hand exists and the one that

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<v Speaker 2>really matters the left hand is missing.

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<v Speaker 3>Later on, after us convicted years later, we took their

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<v Speaker 3>deposition and Jeff Rodgers that wrote the report out, he

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<v Speaker 3>swore that he didn't put the white out on that

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<v Speaker 3>because it's on green paper, and he said that he

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<v Speaker 3>wouldn't have whited it out, he'd have just filled out

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<v Speaker 3>a new report. And we got Dave Link, the one

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<v Speaker 3>that took it to the lab nine days later. He

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<v Speaker 3>swore up and down that he didn't do it, and

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<v Speaker 3>he was asked did he always take both hands of

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<v Speaker 3>a close gunshot residue test. He said yes. My attorney

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<v Speaker 3>asking years later in ninety seven, always, and he said absolutely.

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<v Speaker 2>They whited out the left hand, and they whited out

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<v Speaker 2>the number of articles. I mean, somebody literally just took

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<v Speaker 2>white out.

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<v Speaker 1>Yeah, the left hand. If it would have come back positive,

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<v Speaker 1>it would have been powerful, full evidence that she accidentally

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<v Speaker 1>fired the gun herself. Our attorney told us that if

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<v Speaker 1>that left hand come back positive, the coroner would have

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<v Speaker 1>changed his findings and they wouldn't have had a case

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<v Speaker 1>against my father. It all would have ended right there.

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<v Speaker 2>other support to underrepresented communities and individuals. Now, this is

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<v Speaker 2>a small town police department. My understanding is there hadn't

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<v Speaker 2>been a homicide investigation in almost a decade. These people

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<v Speaker 2>were not up to the task, and they started making

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<v Speaker 2>mistakes more or less as soon as they walked into

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<v Speaker 2>the house.

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<v Speaker 1>Yes, yes, And like so many other cases, I believe

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<v Speaker 1>the police immediately focused on my father and had tunnel

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<v Speaker 1>vision as they began to investigate this case. I'll start

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<v Speaker 1>with the fact that they took photos that day of

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<v Speaker 1>the alleged crime scene, and the photos allegedly did not

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<v Speaker 1>come out, and after Kathy's body was removed, they went

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<v Speaker 1>back and restaged the crime scene and took new photos.

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<v Speaker 1>By the time they'd done this, my stepmother had already

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<v Speaker 1>been taken out of the house, and the fire department

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<v Speaker 1>had actually been called in to cut sheet rock out

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<v Speaker 1>of the wall with blood spatter and things, and so

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<v Speaker 1>the new pictures they took the sheet rock was already

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<v Speaker 1>cut out, and they had drawn a diagram of the

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<v Speaker 1>dining room where this happened, and the diagram didn't match

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<v Speaker 1>the pictures. They had moved the dining room table all

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<v Speaker 1>the way up against the wall to make it appear

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<v Speaker 1>that there was a bigger area there when she was shot.

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<v Speaker 2>Right to make room for this alleged struggle that never

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<v Speaker 2>even happened. When she went to use the phone.

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<v Speaker 1>In every picture they took of this small dining room,

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<v Speaker 1>they missed that phone, Jason by a quarter of an inch.

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<v Speaker 1>Another mistake that was made that day at the crime scene.

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<v Speaker 1>According to the police reports, they unclothed my stepmother naked

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<v Speaker 1>right there on the dining room floor and folded her

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<v Speaker 1>clothes up and put them in bags and transported her

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<v Speaker 1>to the morgue naked for them to unclothe her and

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<v Speaker 1>alter any evidence that could have been gathered from that. Now,

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<v Speaker 1>that goes against every protocol of any police department anywhere.

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<v Speaker 3>Best I remember, the medical examiner said she'd come in

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<v Speaker 3>fully clothing, So what they actually done was recloser before

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<v Speaker 3>the medical examiner.

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<v Speaker 1>Examiner, that's exactly right. What the medical examiner reported didn't

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<v Speaker 1>match the police reports. They unclothed her and at some

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<v Speaker 1>point reclothed her.

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<v Speaker 2>So they mishandled the scene, and the evidence altered or disappeared.

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<v Speaker 2>The key gunshot resident detest to Kathy's left hand. And

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<v Speaker 2>then they arrested you, and eventually you got out un bond,

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<v Speaker 2>And even that was kind of odd, right.

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<v Speaker 3>Prosecutor Peters agreed to ten thousand, and he put a

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<v Speaker 3>restriction on my bond. It says not to dispose of

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<v Speaker 3>any marital or jointly held property without the permission of

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<v Speaker 3>the prosecute attorney in the probate court.

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<v Speaker 1>You got the State of Missouri coming after you with

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<v Speaker 1>unlimited resources, and your life and liberty is on the line.

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<v Speaker 1>My dad should have had access to every dime he

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<v Speaker 1>had to save his life.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, And this also gets us to a crazy part

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<v Speaker 2>of this whole story. So while you're facing Prosecutor Patrick

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<v Speaker 2>Peters in this criminal trial against you, there's also a

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<v Speaker 2>wrongful death civil suit filed against you by Kathy's sisters.

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<v Speaker 2>And get this, Prosecutor Peters's father is part of the

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<v Speaker 2>law firm behind that civil suit, so stands to benefit

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<v Speaker 2>from the outcome. And of course you didn't even know

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<v Speaker 2>that at the time.

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<v Speaker 3>They had concealed it, and they had said that he

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<v Speaker 3>had convinced them and he would convict me, and the

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<v Speaker 3>law firm would help keep me in prison.

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<v Speaker 1>I'd like to point out that the Blue Springs Police Department,

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<v Speaker 1>city attorney for Blue Springs was also in the same

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<v Speaker 1>law firm as the prosecutor's father, So you had a

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<v Speaker 1>triangle of a conflict of interest here that was hidden

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<v Speaker 1>from everyone.

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<v Speaker 2>Every time we do an episode, I always think I've

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<v Speaker 2>heard it all, I could say, even after doing two

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<v Speaker 2>hundred and fifty episodes of this show, I've never heard

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<v Speaker 2>of that the prosecutor refers the family of the woman

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<v Speaker 2>who died to his own father's law firm. Now everybody's compromised, right,

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<v Speaker 2>because now there's a whole nother motive for them to

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<v Speaker 2>want to convict you of this crime so that everybody

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<v Speaker 2>can make money.

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<v Speaker 1>And they ultimately got a one point three five million

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<v Speaker 1>dollar default wrongful debt judgment against my father.

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<v Speaker 2>So now there's been this litany of errors, misconduct, malfeasans

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<v Speaker 2>straight up insanity. I'm going to call it what it is,

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<v Speaker 2>it's insanity. And now finally it's time for the trial.

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<v Speaker 2>It's February nineteen ninety one, a year after the incident.

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<v Speaker 1>Basically, the cross of the States case against my dad

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<v Speaker 1>was that he held her up against the wall and

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<v Speaker 1>shot her from a foot away from her face.

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<v Speaker 3>The prosecutor put on his so called experts, saying that

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<v Speaker 3>she was two inches away from the wall and that

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<v Speaker 3>I had my arm across her chest and held her

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<v Speaker 3>up against the wall and shot her and blood experts

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<v Speaker 3>admitted that he had a week's training and he.

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<v Speaker 1>Self taught he had taken a forty hour course on

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<v Speaker 1>blood spatter evidence. That's all the training that their expert had.

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<v Speaker 2>These quote unquote experts had a forty hour training course

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<v Speaker 2>that doesn't actually teach you anything except how to act

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<v Speaker 2>like you know what you're talking about in court pretty much, right.

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<v Speaker 3>But he didn't tell that there was no gun shot

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<v Speaker 3>residue on my hands or long sleeve shirt, or blood

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<v Speaker 3>or not the nails on my lone sleeve shirt.

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<v Speaker 1>And they said he put a bootprint on the wall,

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<v Speaker 1>which was false. It had been there weeks prior, and

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<v Speaker 1>in order for that bootprint to get there, his leg

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<v Speaker 1>would have had to have bent backwards at the knee

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<v Speaker 1>and hyper extended in order to put that bootprint there.

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<v Speaker 2>Right, you have this bootprint that was physically impossible to

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<v Speaker 2>have been made in this scenario. But you know what,

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<v Speaker 2>none of it freaking matters. Why they could have produced

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<v Speaker 2>any other made up nonsense to try to support their theory.

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<v Speaker 2>But without Ken being covered in blood and GSR, it's

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<v Speaker 2>all pure drivel. Blood in GSR has to be present

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<v Speaker 2>for us to even entertain these bullshit footprints, not to

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<v Speaker 2>mention the analysis from Bob Tressel, the renowned forensic crime investigator,

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<v Speaker 2>that further clarifies just how bogus the state's theory was.

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<v Speaker 2>We'll get into all of that a bit later, but

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<v Speaker 2>unfortunately Ken didn't benefit from Bob Restol's testimony or any

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<v Speaker 2>of this being pointed out at the original trial. Ken's attorney,

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<v Speaker 2>Bob Duncan, couldn't be bothered to do an investigation, not

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<v Speaker 2>even a thorough examination of the gun. Cliff what else

0:24:13.440 --> 0:24:14.399
<v Speaker 2>did the state present?

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<v Speaker 1>They also put on evidence that the gun would take

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<v Speaker 1>ten pounds of pressure I believe it was without the

0:24:21.520 --> 0:24:25.920
<v Speaker 1>hammer pulled three and a half pounds with the hammer pulled. Well,

0:24:25.960 --> 0:24:28.600
<v Speaker 1>the gun needed to be examined in the exact state

0:24:29.000 --> 0:24:32.040
<v Speaker 1>it was found in, and it wasn't. They had dismantled

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<v Speaker 1>it and put it back together before testing it, so

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<v Speaker 1>if there was any problems with the gun, they fixed

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<v Speaker 1>it when they put it back together. Bob Duncan was

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<v Speaker 1>asleep at the wheel, if you will, and had none

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<v Speaker 1>of the physical evidence examined by an expert, and hadn't

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<v Speaker 1>interviewed any witnesses. He was totally unprepared for the case

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<v Speaker 1>to even go to trial.

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<v Speaker 2>Did I hear this correctly? That he didn't even make

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<v Speaker 2>an opening statement.

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<v Speaker 1>He reserved one and he forgot to give it.

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<v Speaker 3>I couldn't get him to do nothing. They didn't see

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<v Speaker 3>nothing about the gunshot was do not one word of

0:25:06.080 --> 0:25:09.000
<v Speaker 3>them with lighting that document out. They never seen it.

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<v Speaker 1>Without a proper defense, you're out there, mercy.

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<v Speaker 3>Years later, in ninety five and ninety six, he gave

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<v Speaker 3>me three affi davids of what he had failed to do.

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<v Speaker 3>This is my trial attorney, Robert Duncan. I did not

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<v Speaker 3>have any physical evidence in the case examined by a

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<v Speaker 3>forensic expert, other than to speak to a gun expert

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<v Speaker 3>about the gun. But I did not have him examine

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<v Speaker 3>the gun. And then he gave another affidavit and he said, father,

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<v Speaker 3>I believe my ability to defend mister Middleton was impaired

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<v Speaker 3>because I wasn't given information of the connection between the

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<v Speaker 3>police department, the prosecutor, and the civil claims against mister

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<v Speaker 3>Middleton seeking a substantial monetary recovery. This information, if for

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<v Speaker 3>no other purpose, would have been admits as impeachment evidence

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<v Speaker 3>showing the bias of the police and some of the witnesses.

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<v Speaker 2>So Kathy's sister, Mildred Anderson, gave false testimony for the

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<v Speaker 2>prosecution to show motive that Ken had secret assets in

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<v Speaker 2>Arkansas that no one in the family was aware of.

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<v Speaker 2>And we know this is just another lie because Mildred

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<v Speaker 2>Anderson later said she admitted that she and the rest

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<v Speaker 2>of the family actually did know about all of the

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<v Speaker 2>assets before Kathy's death, which is a clear cut example

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<v Speaker 2>of perjury.

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<v Speaker 3>Which in Missouri in a murder case, that's a class

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<v Speaker 3>A felony. Intact Peters colluded with her because Peter's put

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<v Speaker 3>it in the question would be simple for her says, quote,

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<v Speaker 3>quite a bit of holdings down in Arkansas that you

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<v Speaker 3>and your family, including your sister, were unaware of. She says, yes.

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<v Speaker 1>It should also be mentioned Jason that after the sisters

0:26:55.280 --> 0:27:00.439
<v Speaker 1>testified to that, the prosecutor instructed the police depart meant

0:27:00.640 --> 0:27:04.720
<v Speaker 1>to release eighteen thousand, seven hundred dollars worth of jewelry

0:27:04.760 --> 0:27:08.160
<v Speaker 1>that was confiscated out of the house to the witness.

0:27:08.520 --> 0:27:11.520
<v Speaker 1>So not only was it perjury, she was rewarded with

0:27:11.800 --> 0:27:15.200
<v Speaker 1>eighteen thousand, seven hundred dollars worth of jewelry, and then.

0:27:15.119 --> 0:27:19.040
<v Speaker 3>Eight years later on March at twenty fifth to ninety nine,

0:27:19.480 --> 0:27:24.320
<v Speaker 3>Mildred Anderson gave foreign testimony entered Arkansas lawsuit against Kenneth

0:27:24.359 --> 0:27:27.960
<v Speaker 3>Middleton which show she clearly perjured herself in nineteen ninety

0:27:27.960 --> 0:27:31.000
<v Speaker 3>one and her sister coaborated it.

0:27:31.400 --> 0:27:35.200
<v Speaker 2>Wow, okay, So I got to ask about what must

0:27:35.200 --> 0:27:38.320
<v Speaker 2>have been the worst day all of your life, which

0:27:38.359 --> 0:27:40.520
<v Speaker 2>of course is the day that the jury went out

0:27:40.560 --> 0:27:44.600
<v Speaker 2>for a freaking hour and came back in and sentenced

0:27:44.640 --> 0:27:48.680
<v Speaker 2>you to life without parole plus two hundred years.

0:27:48.920 --> 0:27:51.600
<v Speaker 3>Well, I don't know how to describe it, but I

0:27:51.680 --> 0:27:54.880
<v Speaker 3>was in chock, and until this happened, I never spent

0:27:54.960 --> 0:27:57.280
<v Speaker 3>a day in jail in my life. And take you

0:27:57.359 --> 0:28:01.200
<v Speaker 3>from being free in the country and working all my

0:28:01.280 --> 0:28:05.600
<v Speaker 3>life to tow you in a cage is unbelievable. I

0:28:05.600 --> 0:28:06.320
<v Speaker 3>can't explain.

0:28:07.080 --> 0:28:10.359
<v Speaker 1>Growing up as a kid, I would have never in

0:28:10.400 --> 0:28:13.240
<v Speaker 1>a million years dreamed that what happened to my dad

0:28:13.280 --> 0:28:16.280
<v Speaker 1>would have happened to him. He just was, you know,

0:28:18.240 --> 0:28:22.040
<v Speaker 1>a great father. He's been more of a father to

0:28:22.160 --> 0:28:26.800
<v Speaker 1>me behind bars than most kids could ask for from

0:28:26.800 --> 0:28:31.560
<v Speaker 1>a father on the street. And it was devastating to

0:28:31.680 --> 0:28:33.120
<v Speaker 1>our whole family.

0:28:49.960 --> 0:28:51.880
<v Speaker 2>So now we moved to the post conviction and there's

0:28:51.880 --> 0:28:55.160
<v Speaker 2>still more insanity to come. So it's nineteen ninety two

0:28:55.240 --> 0:28:57.920
<v Speaker 2>and your repellent attorney is a man named Gerald Handley

0:28:58.040 --> 0:29:01.880
<v Speaker 2>who was recommended by Bob. Well, that's not a good sign.

0:29:02.120 --> 0:29:04.320
<v Speaker 2>And one of the first things we come to is

0:29:04.360 --> 0:29:07.160
<v Speaker 2>that what's called the twenty nine to fifteen appeal, Cliff,

0:29:07.160 --> 0:29:09.680
<v Speaker 2>can you explain that to us and get us started here?

0:29:10.200 --> 0:29:14.000
<v Speaker 1>After trial, the first appeal that you have in the

0:29:14.000 --> 0:29:17.240
<v Speaker 1>state of Missouri is your post conviction twenty nine to fifteen.

0:29:17.800 --> 0:29:20.720
<v Speaker 1>Twenty nine to fifteen is an appeal that's filed back

0:29:20.760 --> 0:29:24.240
<v Speaker 1>in front of the trial judge to evaluate your trial

0:29:24.440 --> 0:29:27.360
<v Speaker 1>to make sure that you had a fair trial. That's

0:29:27.400 --> 0:29:30.840
<v Speaker 1>where you bring your ineffective assistance of council issues if

0:29:30.880 --> 0:29:34.440
<v Speaker 1>you have any. So you have ninety days to do

0:29:34.480 --> 0:29:37.160
<v Speaker 1>that in Missouri or you don't get that hearing on

0:29:37.280 --> 0:29:40.840
<v Speaker 1>ineffective assistance a council. And that's right back in front

0:29:40.840 --> 0:29:43.520
<v Speaker 1>of the very trial judge that just set on your

0:29:43.560 --> 0:29:47.040
<v Speaker 1>trial and convicted you. So you got a high burden

0:29:47.120 --> 0:29:49.440
<v Speaker 1>to meet there, right, you got to prove that you

0:29:49.480 --> 0:29:52.600
<v Speaker 1>had an unfair trial and your attorney didn't do his job.

0:29:53.080 --> 0:29:56.880
<v Speaker 1>Our appellent attorney at that time had a ninety day

0:29:57.000 --> 0:30:00.720
<v Speaker 1>window to file an amended petition for DA and get

0:30:00.760 --> 0:30:04.400
<v Speaker 1>all of his issues in the appeal. He never met

0:30:04.440 --> 0:30:07.360
<v Speaker 1>with my dad, never went over any of the issues,

0:30:07.440 --> 0:30:10.440
<v Speaker 1>which the law requires him to do. And at the

0:30:10.600 --> 0:30:13.240
<v Speaker 1>last minute, before the ninety days was up and you

0:30:13.280 --> 0:30:18.080
<v Speaker 1>could get no extensions, my dad gets a letter from

0:30:18.320 --> 0:30:22.200
<v Speaker 1>his attorney telling him to sign this affidavit that all

0:30:22.240 --> 0:30:25.640
<v Speaker 1>of his issues are in the amended petition, even though

0:30:25.920 --> 0:30:28.360
<v Speaker 1>my dad had never seen the petition. And if you

0:30:28.400 --> 0:30:31.760
<v Speaker 1>didn't sign that affidavit and have it with your amended

0:30:31.760 --> 0:30:34.600
<v Speaker 1>petition when you filed it, you were out. You couldn't

0:30:34.600 --> 0:30:37.200
<v Speaker 1>even get a twenty nine to fifteen hearing. So my

0:30:37.280 --> 0:30:40.560
<v Speaker 1>dad had to sign it and at least hope that

0:30:40.680 --> 0:30:43.080
<v Speaker 1>his attorney was going to put all of his issues

0:30:43.080 --> 0:30:45.360
<v Speaker 1>in it. Well, we had to do a lot of

0:30:45.360 --> 0:30:49.600
<v Speaker 1>fanagulon to get that affidavit to him before Monday, and

0:30:49.640 --> 0:30:52.680
<v Speaker 1>when we got it to him on Monday, Gerald Hanley

0:30:52.960 --> 0:30:57.920
<v Speaker 1>filed a three page motion on my dad's life, procedurally

0:30:58.000 --> 0:31:02.000
<v Speaker 1>defaulting all of his issues on a pial. So because

0:31:02.040 --> 0:31:06.240
<v Speaker 1>that attorney procedurally defaulted all of his issues, the facts

0:31:06.280 --> 0:31:08.720
<v Speaker 1>and the merits of his case were never.

0:31:08.520 --> 0:31:11.880
<v Speaker 3>Heard, and when we went to the evidentiary hearing, I

0:31:11.960 --> 0:31:15.280
<v Speaker 3>had nine witnesses out in the hallway. When I got

0:31:15.320 --> 0:31:19.640
<v Speaker 3>to the courthouse, the witnesses that knew Pat Peters through

0:31:19.720 --> 0:31:24.120
<v Speaker 3>trial seen Pat Peters talking to the uniform guard, and

0:31:24.160 --> 0:31:27.320
<v Speaker 3>the guard took a post at the door and wouldn't

0:31:27.400 --> 0:31:31.120
<v Speaker 3>let none of my witnesses in the courtroom. I didn't

0:31:31.120 --> 0:31:33.280
<v Speaker 3>know what happened to himuntil I got back to the

0:31:33.360 --> 0:31:37.040
<v Speaker 3>jail and made some calls. Peters called Duncan to the

0:31:37.080 --> 0:31:42.400
<v Speaker 3>stand and Duncan testified this basically, answering Peter's questions, said

0:31:42.440 --> 0:31:45.200
<v Speaker 3>I checked himself into the hospital. Well, I shake him

0:31:45.200 --> 0:31:47.280
<v Speaker 3>the head. It was a lie because I was forced

0:31:47.320 --> 0:31:48.520
<v Speaker 3>in that mental hospital.

0:31:48.640 --> 0:31:51.080
<v Speaker 1>One of the records that Bob Duncan didn't get was

0:31:51.080 --> 0:31:54.960
<v Speaker 1>the medical records from the mental ward. The prosecution's theory

0:31:55.240 --> 0:31:59.000
<v Speaker 1>was that it was trial strategy for Duncan to not

0:31:59.240 --> 0:32:03.760
<v Speaker 1>get the medical records, because the prosecution had a witness

0:32:03.800 --> 0:32:07.040
<v Speaker 1>that would have said Dad told him, if you want

0:32:07.040 --> 0:32:09.680
<v Speaker 1>to get away with murder, you check yourself into a

0:32:09.720 --> 0:32:13.120
<v Speaker 1>mental ward after you do it. So Judge Messina agreed

0:32:13.160 --> 0:32:17.040
<v Speaker 1>and said, yeah, that's not ineffective assistance and counsel. He

0:32:17.080 --> 0:32:20.920
<v Speaker 1>didn't get them records because he voluntarily checked hisself into

0:32:20.960 --> 0:32:24.600
<v Speaker 1>a mental ward. Well that wasn't true, but Gerald Hanley

0:32:24.960 --> 0:32:28.720
<v Speaker 1>never got the records either, so the judge never knew.

0:32:28.480 --> 0:32:31.600
<v Speaker 2>This, and so the hearing ended and no witness is recalled,

0:32:31.680 --> 0:32:35.160
<v Speaker 2>no expert testimony was given, and no evidence was presented

0:32:35.200 --> 0:32:39.600
<v Speaker 2>to refute the state. Gerald Hanley ended up being, and

0:32:39.640 --> 0:32:41.920
<v Speaker 2>this is hard to believe, but he ended up being

0:32:42.080 --> 0:32:46.320
<v Speaker 2>just as disinterested as Bob Duncan was before. And so predictably,

0:32:46.480 --> 0:32:51.760
<v Speaker 2>Judge Messina rejected your twenty nine to fifteen appeal. It's insane.

0:32:51.760 --> 0:32:54.040
<v Speaker 2>It's not because the appeal wasn'tvalid. It's because the lawyers

0:32:54.080 --> 0:32:56.800
<v Speaker 2>didn't do their freaking jobs. And according to the law

0:32:56.840 --> 0:33:00.480
<v Speaker 2>at that time, the trial courts jurisdiction over your case ended.

0:33:01.080 --> 0:33:05.200
<v Speaker 2>So Cliff, eventually you all get a new attorney, Jonathan Lawrence,

0:33:05.320 --> 0:33:07.640
<v Speaker 2>and there's a new law that gave you and your

0:33:07.720 --> 0:33:12.080
<v Speaker 2>dad some hope, or maybe false hopes, but some positive

0:33:12.080 --> 0:33:15.560
<v Speaker 2>things came about, nonetheless, So can you tell us what

0:33:15.640 --> 0:33:16.200
<v Speaker 2>happened next?

0:33:16.400 --> 0:33:19.120
<v Speaker 1>In two thousand and one, a law come down that

0:33:19.360 --> 0:33:24.680
<v Speaker 1>give courts the opportunity to reevaluate cases. If you could

0:33:24.680 --> 0:33:29.280
<v Speaker 1>prove your twenty nine to fifteen attorney Gerald Hanley abandoned

0:33:29.320 --> 0:33:32.680
<v Speaker 1>you on your twenty nine to fifteen the trial courts

0:33:32.720 --> 0:33:35.720
<v Speaker 1>could look at your case again. So my dad had

0:33:35.760 --> 0:33:39.120
<v Speaker 1>done all this research on this and had done everything,

0:33:39.680 --> 0:33:43.880
<v Speaker 1>and we took it to Jonathan Lawrence, and Jonathan Lawrence

0:33:44.360 --> 0:33:46.400
<v Speaker 1>at first didn't think we could do it, but once

0:33:46.440 --> 0:33:48.560
<v Speaker 1>he read the case law, he said, yeah, I believe

0:33:48.600 --> 0:33:53.000
<v Speaker 1>we can. So Jonathan Lawrence got involved and filed an

0:33:53.040 --> 0:33:58.280
<v Speaker 1>eighty one page motion and convinced Judge Messina, who denied

0:33:58.360 --> 0:34:02.760
<v Speaker 1>us back in ninety two, reopened my father's case, and

0:34:02.840 --> 0:34:06.440
<v Speaker 1>she held a two day evidentiary hearing in two thousand

0:34:06.480 --> 0:34:07.480
<v Speaker 1>and four.

0:34:07.960 --> 0:34:09.920
<v Speaker 2>And you finally have an attorney here who can do

0:34:10.120 --> 0:34:13.319
<v Speaker 2>justice in your father's case, who gathered and presented some

0:34:13.400 --> 0:34:17.879
<v Speaker 2>powerful expert testimony, including from investigator Chuck Gay, who had

0:34:17.920 --> 0:34:21.040
<v Speaker 2>been at the courthouse for the nineteen ninety two hearing

0:34:21.600 --> 0:34:25.400
<v Speaker 2>but had been prevented from entering the courtroom. Now he

0:34:25.520 --> 0:34:26.960
<v Speaker 2>finally had a chance to speak.

0:34:27.239 --> 0:34:30.200
<v Speaker 1>Chuck Gay was a twenty five year police officer in

0:34:30.239 --> 0:34:34.200
<v Speaker 1>Long Beach, California. He had actually talked to the FBI

0:34:34.320 --> 0:34:39.919
<v Speaker 1>in different courses on crime scene investigation, and he testified

0:34:39.960 --> 0:34:44.800
<v Speaker 1>to the crime scene photos not coming out. You can't

0:34:44.840 --> 0:34:50.520
<v Speaker 1>restage a crime scene. That's absurd, unclothing her at the scene,

0:34:50.640 --> 0:34:54.560
<v Speaker 1>all of these things. Crime scene preservation is what Chuck

0:34:54.640 --> 0:34:59.000
<v Speaker 1>Gay testified to and how improper it was. The gunshot

0:34:59.120 --> 0:35:02.320
<v Speaker 1>residue was a real big one with him. We found

0:35:02.360 --> 0:35:05.319
<v Speaker 1>out a little more about the green document. See, you

0:35:05.360 --> 0:35:08.440
<v Speaker 1>have to realize before trial, when they give us that

0:35:08.520 --> 0:35:12.080
<v Speaker 1>green document, it was just a copy, so it was

0:35:12.160 --> 0:35:15.880
<v Speaker 1>on white paper. We really didn't know what it said underneath,

0:35:16.520 --> 0:35:19.440
<v Speaker 1>but we knew something was wrong because the left hand

0:35:19.560 --> 0:35:24.120
<v Speaker 1>was missing. And when our investigator after the trial went

0:35:24.200 --> 0:35:28.400
<v Speaker 1>to go investigate that, the crime lab said, we didn't

0:35:28.480 --> 0:35:33.400
<v Speaker 1>do that. They said, these are our documents. We use greenout.

0:35:34.040 --> 0:35:36.520
<v Speaker 1>So they were pointing the finger at the police. They

0:35:36.680 --> 0:35:41.200
<v Speaker 1>knew that that wasn't right. There was no initials or

0:35:41.239 --> 0:35:45.399
<v Speaker 1>anything that would indicate who did it or why they

0:35:45.400 --> 0:35:49.839
<v Speaker 1>did it. Myself and our attorney in twenty sixteen went

0:35:49.840 --> 0:35:53.920
<v Speaker 1>to the crime lab and got this document and him

0:35:53.960 --> 0:35:56.719
<v Speaker 1>and I both held it up to the light and

0:35:56.760 --> 0:36:00.279
<v Speaker 1>you could see underneath the white out on the number

0:36:00.320 --> 0:36:03.839
<v Speaker 1>of articles, and then underneath the other wide out off

0:36:03.840 --> 0:36:07.359
<v Speaker 1>to the side, you could see the word left. And

0:36:07.440 --> 0:36:10.800
<v Speaker 1>he give us an affidavit that that was the worst

0:36:10.840 --> 0:36:14.360
<v Speaker 1>alteration of official documents he had ever seen in thirty

0:36:14.400 --> 0:36:16.600
<v Speaker 1>two years I believe of practicing law.

0:36:16.920 --> 0:36:21.080
<v Speaker 2>And you also had testimony from a ballistics expert proving

0:36:21.760 --> 0:36:25.719
<v Speaker 2>that the scenario presented by the state was physically impossible.

0:36:26.160 --> 0:36:29.640
<v Speaker 2>And this guy was no slouching. He had overseen over

0:36:29.800 --> 0:36:34.200
<v Speaker 2>eight hundred investigations, and importantly he had been an expert

0:36:34.239 --> 0:36:37.680
<v Speaker 2>for both prosecution and defense. And of course the guy

0:36:37.719 --> 0:36:39.440
<v Speaker 2>I'm referring to is Bob Trestle.

0:36:40.480 --> 0:36:45.399
<v Speaker 4>I'm Bob Trestle. I'm a forensic crime scene investigator. When

0:36:45.440 --> 0:36:48.160
<v Speaker 4>I first looked at the case, the bullet was found

0:36:48.200 --> 0:36:52.799
<v Speaker 4>across the room after it had struck the doorframe, ricocheted

0:36:52.880 --> 0:36:54.640
<v Speaker 4>up to the ceiling and over to on the other

0:36:54.719 --> 0:36:58.040
<v Speaker 4>side of the dining room. So we began looking at

0:36:58.080 --> 0:37:02.520
<v Speaker 4>the angles that the bullet hook in striking the doorframe

0:37:02.760 --> 0:37:06.440
<v Speaker 4>exiting the doorframe. Their lab came up with what we

0:37:06.480 --> 0:37:09.040
<v Speaker 4>call a muzzle to target, or the barrel of the whip,

0:37:09.040 --> 0:37:12.280
<v Speaker 4>it having to be approximately eight inches from her face,

0:37:12.320 --> 0:37:15.080
<v Speaker 4>where the bullet entered, So then we started looking at

0:37:15.080 --> 0:37:18.319
<v Speaker 4>the gun. The gun's the three fifty seven magnum. You

0:37:18.400 --> 0:37:21.920
<v Speaker 4>get the length of the barrel, chamber and the grip area,

0:37:22.680 --> 0:37:26.160
<v Speaker 4>so although the barrel's eight inches from her face, the

0:37:26.239 --> 0:37:30.160
<v Speaker 4>gun is almost fourteen inches and total length away from

0:37:30.160 --> 0:37:34.680
<v Speaker 4>her face. And then we started looking at the wounds themselves.

0:37:34.960 --> 0:37:38.600
<v Speaker 4>Pretty well, a straight shot gunshot when with little deviation

0:37:39.040 --> 0:37:42.320
<v Speaker 4>on the upward or downward plane, and with the bullet

0:37:42.400 --> 0:37:45.759
<v Speaker 4>not deviating very much right or left, the shot had

0:37:45.800 --> 0:37:48.680
<v Speaker 4>come from directly in front of her the upper trajectory.

0:37:49.000 --> 0:37:51.520
<v Speaker 4>Because we know where it strikes on the wall and

0:37:51.560 --> 0:37:54.480
<v Speaker 4>then Rick shaves off, we know it's going upward, so

0:37:54.560 --> 0:37:57.600
<v Speaker 4>she has to have her upper body bent over or

0:37:57.600 --> 0:38:00.880
<v Speaker 4>her head bent over towards the table order to receive

0:38:00.960 --> 0:38:04.880
<v Speaker 4>that gunshot one and there's only about two feet distance

0:38:05.000 --> 0:38:08.200
<v Speaker 4>between the table and the walls, and so you've got

0:38:08.239 --> 0:38:11.759
<v Speaker 4>to get two people almost directly in front of each other.

0:38:11.960 --> 0:38:14.280
<v Speaker 4>But the gun's got to be held way down low,

0:38:14.560 --> 0:38:18.240
<v Speaker 4>and in order to get the distances that we saw,

0:38:18.520 --> 0:38:20.880
<v Speaker 4>the gun has got to be almost on top of

0:38:20.920 --> 0:38:23.360
<v Speaker 4>the table. So where can the shooter be at that

0:38:23.520 --> 0:38:26.960
<v Speaker 4>point when we finally did all the calculations in order

0:38:27.000 --> 0:38:29.600
<v Speaker 4>for someone to be directly in front of her, if

0:38:29.640 --> 0:38:32.279
<v Speaker 4>a shooter was the one that fired this weapon, he

0:38:32.320 --> 0:38:36.160
<v Speaker 4>would have to be under the table. That makes no

0:38:36.280 --> 0:38:43.680
<v Speaker 4>sense whatsoever. There's no direct forensic evidence, either by blood tissue,

0:38:44.120 --> 0:38:48.200
<v Speaker 4>gunshot residue, things of that nature that indicate that Middleton

0:38:48.440 --> 0:38:50.520
<v Speaker 4>fired this gun killing his wife.

0:38:51.800 --> 0:38:54.799
<v Speaker 2>And so all of this powerful expert testimony has been heard.

0:38:54.840 --> 0:38:56.919
<v Speaker 2>And to top it all off, there was one more

0:38:56.960 --> 0:39:02.839
<v Speaker 2>witness that testified on your father's behalf former governor of Missouri. Yes,

0:39:02.920 --> 0:39:07.560
<v Speaker 2>you heard that correctly. The former governor of Missouri, Joseph P. Teesdale,

0:39:08.040 --> 0:39:11.799
<v Speaker 2>testified on Kensby had and he had extensive trial experience

0:39:11.840 --> 0:39:15.520
<v Speaker 2>as an assistant US attorney, prosecuting attorney, and as a

0:39:15.560 --> 0:39:20.240
<v Speaker 2>trial lawyer. And he testified to the quote suspect conduct

0:39:20.239 --> 0:39:23.440
<v Speaker 2>of the prosecutors and the quote ineffective performance of the

0:39:23.480 --> 0:39:27.680
<v Speaker 2>defense council. And at the end of the testimony, former

0:39:27.760 --> 0:39:30.560
<v Speaker 2>Governor Teesdale was asked what he would have done if

0:39:30.560 --> 0:39:33.600
<v Speaker 2>this case had been presented to him in his capacity

0:39:33.600 --> 0:39:36.800
<v Speaker 2>as governor, and he replied that this was the worst

0:39:36.880 --> 0:39:40.360
<v Speaker 2>case of constitutional violations that he had ever witnessed in

0:39:40.480 --> 0:39:44.879
<v Speaker 2>forty one years of practicing law, and that he and

0:39:45.000 --> 0:39:48.480
<v Speaker 2>this is a direct quote, would clearly have pardoned mister

0:39:48.520 --> 0:39:52.040
<v Speaker 2>Middleton of all wrongdoing end quote.

0:39:52.920 --> 0:39:54.719
<v Speaker 3>That's a strong statement.

0:39:55.640 --> 0:39:59.560
<v Speaker 1>He had gotten familiar with Dad's case a few years before,

0:40:00.400 --> 0:40:03.239
<v Speaker 1>and I reached out to him when we got this

0:40:03.320 --> 0:40:07.480
<v Speaker 1>evidentiary hearing and asked him what his costs would be

0:40:07.520 --> 0:40:11.040
<v Speaker 1>for him to come testify, and he said, I don't

0:40:11.080 --> 0:40:13.799
<v Speaker 1>want any money. I want a steak dinner when your

0:40:13.920 --> 0:40:16.600
<v Speaker 1>dad gets out of there. And it meant a lot

0:40:16.680 --> 0:40:16.920
<v Speaker 1>to me.

0:40:17.800 --> 0:40:20.680
<v Speaker 2>So, finally, this information that you've been trying to get

0:40:20.760 --> 0:40:24.040
<v Speaker 2>heard for so many years, the ineffective counsel, the prosecutorial

0:40:24.120 --> 0:40:27.960
<v Speaker 2>misconduct and complex of interest of botched investigation and altered reports,

0:40:28.640 --> 0:40:31.440
<v Speaker 2>you're finally able to get that before the judge, and

0:40:31.640 --> 0:40:35.480
<v Speaker 2>even a more conservative judge, Judge Messina, could not deny

0:40:35.520 --> 0:40:36.800
<v Speaker 2>the merits of Kin's case.

0:40:37.480 --> 0:40:41.080
<v Speaker 1>So this was all powerful evidence that the jury never heard.

0:40:41.520 --> 0:40:44.799
<v Speaker 1>After all this evidence was put forward, Judge Messina took

0:40:44.800 --> 0:40:48.320
<v Speaker 1>it under advisement and would not rule on the case

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<v Speaker 1>for eleven more months. Two weeks after the hearing was over,

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<v Speaker 1>the prosecutors come to my dad with an Alford plea.

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<v Speaker 1>If he would plead to an Alford plea and plead

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<v Speaker 1>guilty to second degree, he could walk out of prison

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<v Speaker 1>a free man. But even though all of his appeals

0:41:07.080 --> 0:41:10.480
<v Speaker 1>were exhausted and we were setting in front of very

0:41:10.520 --> 0:41:15.640
<v Speaker 1>conservative judge, my father refused the offered plea. For him

0:41:15.640 --> 0:41:19.480
<v Speaker 1>to turn that down with all appeals exhausted, that speaks

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<v Speaker 1>volumes to his innocence.

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<v Speaker 2>And on May twenty fifth, two thousand and five, Judge

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<v Speaker 2>Messina came back and vacated Ken's nineteen ninety one conviction

0:41:27.239 --> 0:41:30.480
<v Speaker 2>and granted him a new trial. So the same judge

0:41:30.520 --> 0:41:34.240
<v Speaker 2>who denied him in nineteen ninety two overturned his conviction.

0:41:34.560 --> 0:41:38.320
<v Speaker 1>Judge Messina found eight different points of ineffective assistance and

0:41:38.440 --> 0:41:42.640
<v Speaker 1>counsel on Bob Duncan. The man had three other capital

0:41:42.880 --> 0:41:46.680
<v Speaker 1>murder cases overturned at the same time he was handling

0:41:46.719 --> 0:41:47.560
<v Speaker 1>my dad's case.

0:41:47.840 --> 0:41:51.120
<v Speaker 2>But just six days after this incredible news, you get

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<v Speaker 2>a huge punch to the gun.

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<v Speaker 1>What does the Jackson County Prosecutor's office do? They appeal

0:41:57.360 --> 0:42:00.960
<v Speaker 1>the decision. So if he would plead guilty after that hearing,

0:42:01.040 --> 0:42:03.400
<v Speaker 1>they were willing to let him go, but when he

0:42:03.520 --> 0:42:06.840
<v Speaker 1>stood by his innocence and the trial judge agreed and

0:42:06.880 --> 0:42:10.680
<v Speaker 1>overturned his conviction, they appealed it. They ruled that Judge

0:42:10.680 --> 0:42:14.879
<v Speaker 1>Messina didn't have jurisdiction to issue that new trial. They

0:42:14.960 --> 0:42:17.360
<v Speaker 1>never got to the merits or the facts that she

0:42:17.640 --> 0:42:21.360
<v Speaker 1>ruled he was wrongfully convicted in violation of his sixth

0:42:21.360 --> 0:42:25.840
<v Speaker 1>Amendment right to constitutional effective representation. They never got to

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<v Speaker 1>any of that. They just said she didn't have jurisdiction.

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<v Speaker 2>And this is now seventeen long years ago. It's crazy.

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<v Speaker 2>I mean, the court heard the merits of his innocence

0:42:39.840 --> 0:42:43.200
<v Speaker 2>and decided he should get a new trial, but outside

0:42:43.200 --> 0:42:45.160
<v Speaker 2>of the twenty nine to fifteen of pell proceedings, it

0:42:45.200 --> 0:42:47.680
<v Speaker 2>was ruled that the trial court didn't have jurisdiction. So

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<v Speaker 2>Ken has just been sitting there since two thousand and four,

0:42:51.520 --> 0:42:53.960
<v Speaker 2>awaiting a miracle or a change in the law so

0:42:54.000 --> 0:42:58.360
<v Speaker 2>that his case could be heard again, and that finally happened.

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<v Speaker 2>In August of twenty one, a new law was passed

0:43:02.160 --> 0:43:04.520
<v Speaker 2>in Missouri that allows a case to go before the

0:43:04.560 --> 0:43:07.040
<v Speaker 2>trial judge outside of a twenty nine to fifteen hearing.

0:43:07.800 --> 0:43:10.399
<v Speaker 2>So what that means is that if a prosecutor knows

0:43:10.400 --> 0:43:12.880
<v Speaker 2>that a man is innocent, as the current prosecutor has

0:43:12.920 --> 0:43:16.960
<v Speaker 2>implied in Ken's case, they're no longer jurisdictionally barred from

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<v Speaker 2>doing something about it. Judge Massin has already ruled on this,

0:43:20.680 --> 0:43:23.239
<v Speaker 2>and she's now an advisor to the current prosecutor Jean

0:43:23.320 --> 0:43:26.400
<v Speaker 2>Peters Baker. And Baker already made use of this new

0:43:26.480 --> 0:43:28.479
<v Speaker 2>law in Kevin Strickland's case in the fall of twenty

0:43:28.520 --> 0:43:32.200
<v Speaker 2>twenty one. Yet strangely she has yet to act in

0:43:32.320 --> 0:43:36.960
<v Speaker 2>Ken's case. It's mystifying and maddening at the same time. So, Cliff,

0:43:37.360 --> 0:43:38.680
<v Speaker 2>what's going on with all of this?

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<v Speaker 1>Now, this new law, Yes, it's about a prosecutor's right

0:43:43.520 --> 0:43:47.040
<v Speaker 1>to file emotion, but it's also about a court's right

0:43:47.480 --> 0:43:50.799
<v Speaker 1>to have jurisdiction to consider and hear the matter. Well,

0:43:50.840 --> 0:43:54.480
<v Speaker 1>now they're given the most in court's jurisdiction, but the

0:43:54.520 --> 0:43:57.919
<v Speaker 1>prosecutor has to file it. So in our case, we've

0:43:57.960 --> 0:44:02.520
<v Speaker 1>already proved everything there is with this statute. This statute

0:44:02.600 --> 0:44:05.800
<v Speaker 1>lays out that upon the filing of such a motion,

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<v Speaker 1>the court shall have a hearing and issue of findings

0:44:10.200 --> 0:44:13.520
<v Speaker 1>in facts and conclusions of law on all issues presented.

0:44:13.800 --> 0:44:18.200
<v Speaker 1>That's exactly what Judge Messina did. So we've already been

0:44:18.280 --> 0:44:22.440
<v Speaker 1>successful at securing a new trial from my father, but

0:44:22.680 --> 0:44:26.120
<v Speaker 1>the only thing we didn't have was jurisdiction. Well, now

0:44:26.160 --> 0:44:29.560
<v Speaker 1>this new law gives the court's jurisdiction, but the prosecutor

0:44:29.560 --> 0:44:32.480
<v Speaker 1>has been reluctant to file it. So now that this

0:44:32.600 --> 0:44:35.840
<v Speaker 1>new law has passed, I believe the next steps are

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<v Speaker 1>for Jane to file emotion conceding jurisdiction. That's it. We

0:44:40.640 --> 0:44:43.080
<v Speaker 1>don't need anything else from her but a one page

0:44:43.120 --> 0:44:48.400
<v Speaker 1>motion conceding jurisdiction and allow a court there in Jackson

0:44:48.520 --> 0:44:52.480
<v Speaker 1>County to get to the merits of the trial Judge

0:44:52.600 --> 0:44:56.040
<v Speaker 1>Edith Messina's order overturning my dad's conviction.

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<v Speaker 2>Cliff, we are our audience out there listening now. Is

0:44:59.560 --> 0:45:01.560
<v Speaker 2>there some thing you'd like them to do? What can

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<v Speaker 2>they do to help to write this horrible injustice?

0:45:05.120 --> 0:45:10.560
<v Speaker 1>Yes, you'd go to our website at free Hyphenkenmiddleton dot com.

0:45:11.040 --> 0:45:16.840
<v Speaker 1>There's a wealth of very compelling documents that support everything

0:45:16.960 --> 0:45:20.840
<v Speaker 1>we spoke about today. If we said it today, rest assured.

0:45:20.920 --> 0:45:24.400
<v Speaker 1>You can go to our website and find it, and

0:45:24.560 --> 0:45:28.160
<v Speaker 1>on the homepage right up front, there's a petition asking

0:45:28.280 --> 0:45:31.880
<v Speaker 1>Jean Peters Baker to abide by her oath and follow

0:45:32.040 --> 0:45:36.160
<v Speaker 1>the plain language of this new Missouri statute. It's as

0:45:36.200 --> 0:45:40.279
<v Speaker 1>simple as a one page motion conceding jurisdiction so that

0:45:40.480 --> 0:45:44.600
<v Speaker 1>my dad can once again prove his innocence and come

0:45:44.640 --> 0:45:46.799
<v Speaker 1>home to the family that waits him.

0:45:47.200 --> 0:45:49.279
<v Speaker 2>Right, we'll have that linked in the bio as well

0:45:49.320 --> 0:45:53.120
<v Speaker 2>as a link to Silver Creek Entertainment. I believe there's

0:45:53.160 --> 0:45:56.279
<v Speaker 2>a film on the way about Ken's case, and it

0:45:56.360 --> 0:45:59.120
<v Speaker 2>can't come soon enough as far as I'm concerned. You know,

0:45:59.239 --> 0:46:02.120
<v Speaker 2>I'm reading and really looking forward to watching it. So

0:46:02.440 --> 0:46:04.520
<v Speaker 2>check that out, click on the link in the bio.

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<v Speaker 2>And now, guys, we have a tradition here and it's

0:46:07.960 --> 0:46:10.440
<v Speaker 2>really my favorite part of the show. It's called closing arguments.

0:46:10.440 --> 0:46:13.319
<v Speaker 2>And closing arguments is very simple. It works like this.

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<v Speaker 2>I'm just gonna turn my microphone off, kick back in

0:46:16.120 --> 0:46:18.680
<v Speaker 2>my chair with my headphones on. You'll try to volume

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<v Speaker 2>up a little bit and just listen to anything else

0:46:21.360 --> 0:46:23.400
<v Speaker 2>you'd like to say, anything at all you have to

0:46:23.400 --> 0:46:26.280
<v Speaker 2>say to our audience. So Cliff, why don't you go first?

0:46:26.440 --> 0:46:30.279
<v Speaker 2>And Ken, we'll let you close us out I'd like.

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<v Speaker 1>To thank you for using your celebrity to bring awareness

0:46:34.040 --> 0:46:37.880
<v Speaker 1>to wrong for convictions, given a voice to the voiceless.

0:46:38.280 --> 0:46:41.680
<v Speaker 1>It's an amazing thing what you're doing. It's encouraging other

0:46:41.760 --> 0:46:46.240
<v Speaker 1>celebrities like Kim Kardashian and John Grisham and Johnny Depp

0:46:46.320 --> 0:46:49.279
<v Speaker 1>and you know a lot of others to take up

0:46:49.320 --> 0:46:52.520
<v Speaker 1>the cause and stand up for justice. And so i'd

0:46:52.560 --> 0:46:55.759
<v Speaker 1>like to thank you again, Jason, and now Ken over

0:46:55.800 --> 0:46:56.040
<v Speaker 1>to you.

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<v Speaker 3>Well, what I'd like to say here or that all

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<v Speaker 3>of the people it's listening, I would appreciate it more

0:47:03.360 --> 0:47:08.400
<v Speaker 3>than words can explain. Anything they can do, sign a petition,

0:47:08.719 --> 0:47:12.799
<v Speaker 3>sign letters to Baker to get her to follow the statue,

0:47:13.040 --> 0:47:16.640
<v Speaker 3>anything anybody can do to help it clearer and get

0:47:16.680 --> 0:47:21.239
<v Speaker 3>the same justice as Kevin Strickland. God, I would appreciate

0:47:21.280 --> 0:47:25.640
<v Speaker 3>it more than words can say.

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<v Speaker 2>Thank you for listening to wrongful Conviction. I'd like to

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<v Speaker 2>thank our production team Connor Hall, Justin Golden, Jeff Cliburn,

0:47:36.360 --> 0:47:39.800
<v Speaker 2>and Kevin Wardis. With research by Lyla Robinson. The music

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<v Speaker 2>in this production was supplied by three time OSCAR nominated

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